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So we've developed a friendship and actually hung out in
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I've talked to this man. I'm like, I need to
get us together. We could have some really good conversations
and some good times together. But I like to welcome
back to the show man Micah van huss Micah, how
are you doing, buddy?
Speaker 3: I'm awesome today. Just it's a beautiful day here in
Greene County, Tennessee. And look forward to going out and
joining some of the country side after we're done here.
Speaker 1: Oh nice, And I had to ask, and I know
some of my listeners will want to know. So let's
address the elephant in the room. Why do you have
a big demonic looking pickle behind your head?
Speaker 3: That's my gamer logo. I'm Lord Pickle when I'm playing games.
If you get told by Lord Pickle and Battlefield or
whatever you happen to be playing, you know it's me.
Speaker 2: I love it.
Speaker 1: Bro well man, just for maybe that somebody, maybe if
they missed the episode that we've done together or have
not someone to cross you on the interwebs. Just kind
of introduce yourself to the audience. Let them know you
know who you are, what you do, and what you're about.
Speaker 2: My man.
Speaker 3: Thanks man. So let's see. I graduated pens Caallar Christian
College over twenty years ago with a degree in computer science.
After that, I served eight years in the Marine Corps
as a sniper. After that, the people of Washington County,
Tennessee elected me to serve them in Nashville to be
a state representative in Tennessee. I did that for eight years,
and after that I've been writing books about the mysteries
of God's universe, and I do that for Southwest Radio Ministries.
I'm about to release this year my fifth book Mythologies
Decoded Echoes of the Bible. Well, I think that title
self explanatory. So but today we're talking about last year's book,
Angel's Eternal, which soldiers it. Yeah, older right here, so
look forward to talking about the angels and the angelic
realm and all the principalities and powers that go along
with it.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, uh, these are a few of my favorite things.
As my buddy Sam Tripley likes to say, when he
people bring up falling angels and different things like that,
he's like, oh, yes, these are a few of my
favorite things.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but that goes back. Is that Mary Poppins, who
is it? Says that eighty years ago? Yeah, it's a song.
Speaker 2: Yeah I think it is because he asked.
Speaker 1: I didn't even know that, but h.
Speaker 3: Yeah, things Chitty Chitty Bang bang or Mary Poppins something
like that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I can't remember, but I do recall when he
brings that up, he'll.
Speaker 2: Kind of sing it. But these are a few of
my favorite things.
Speaker 3: So when the it's the sound of music, when the
Doe sings or whatever, Yeah, sound of music.
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, the heels are alive.
Speaker 3: Yeah that one.
Speaker 1: Sorry, guys, I know you didn't tune in to hear
me sing. That's just an added bonus, and you are welcome.
Speaker 3: That's why I joined him.
Speaker 1: That's right, baby, well man Angel's Eternal. I probably know
the answer, but I'm going to ask anyway, what led
into you diving down this subject in rabbit hole? Would
it be Genesis.
Speaker 3: Six, Well, that would be the original genesis. But the
direct answer is this book right here, Secret Societies. That
was the year before Angel's Eternal, So that was two
years ago. Now. When I was writing Secret Societies, I
saw how prevalent the spiritu realm was and molding the
hearts of men and the institutions that have ruled the
ancient world and the institutions that rule today World Economic Forum,
Builderberg Group. So while I was writing Secret Societies, I said,
this whole Angelic realm in their manipulation of mankind needs
to be my next book. So that is the genesis
of this book specifically. Now, as far as the genesis
of why I like to do this weird stuff, it
was Genesis six twenty. Every every time I say, it's
a year later, six years ago now, my brother showed
me I come home from Iraq back and forth, and
my brother showed me just the six And I've always
been taught that God chose Noah to survive the flood
because Noah was righteous. Well, you look at the Bible. Yes,
Noah is righteous, but God chose him because he was
perfect in his generations. And that's only five verses after
the sons of God slept with the daughters of men
and had giant offspring. So when it says Noah was
perfect in his generations, it's talking about his bloodline being
pure because of the angels and what they did with
humankind before the flood. So the realization of that is
what set me off to study this weird stuff twenty
some years ago. Do it from a biblical perspective. I
recommend the Bible is everybody's foundation. Anything that you hear
in life, you filter through the word of God. What
I'm about to say, I recommend that people filter through
the knowledge of the Word of God. And while I
don't know very much at all, I do like to speculate,
but I promise you I will speculate from a biblical
perspective and I will not go against which sure says.
Speaker 1: Oh right, man, yep, that's why we get along Michaeh.
I mean you've had some conversations and was like, yeah, man,
we got to have some good sharp teeth and know
how to eat some chicken and pick around the bone
because there's there's plenty of bones to be had in
every rabbit hole.
Speaker 2: If you ask me the cups to be filled up,
that's right.
Speaker 1: So hold them out. Well, man, I guess can I
walk us? You know through this book some of the
things that you found going through it. Let's win everybody's
whistle here.
Speaker 3: So Angel's Eternal War of the Princes. There's a number
of major concepts throughout the book. We're going to touch
them all today. We'll start with the Divine Council. That's
chapter one. The Divine Council is this idea that God
has a counsel of spiritual beings elohem, angels, whatever you
want to call them. But God has this council of
spiritual beings and he allows them to make decisions about
the earth within his will. And you know, I've met
a number of Christians who say, you know, God doesn't
have divine counsel. That's not biblical at all. But in
fact it is biblical because First King, Chapter twenty two
verses nineteen through twenty two talks about the vision of
the firnom of God, and all these elohem are standing
around God, and God says, how are we gonna deal
with the human king Ahab married to Jezebel. He was
a king of Israel, He's a human. God asks his counsel,
how are we gonna deal with Ahab? And one spirit
steps forward says this this. But a spirit steps in
front of the Lord and says, this is how I'm
gonna do it. I'm willing to be a lying spirit
in the ears of his prophets and get his prophets
to whisper to him these lives. And God says, how
are you going to do that specifically? And the angel says,
and God says, go forth and do it. So that
right there is the perfect example of the divine council
in action and scripture. There are other instances the story
of Nebu Canezer. This is Daniel chapter four. I saw
a watcher and holy One coming down from heaven, and
they decree that Nebu Kenezer will eat grass like an
ox and roam with the beasts of the field. Again
by decree of the watchers and word of the Holy Ones.
So we see those two specific instances of the Divine Council.
Now we see all throughout scripture courtroom like scenes in
heaven where in Job chapter two the Chatan is talking
about asking God to let him tempt Job to curse God.
We see the courtroom scenes where the Chatan again is
arguing in Zachariat three over the body of Joshua, and
Jude one nine Satan himself is arguing with Michael, the
archangel at God's throne over the body of Moses. So
we see these courtroom like scenes all throughout scripture. There's
more also with the Divine Council. There are plenty of
references to all the prophets, all of the Old Testament
prophets standing literally in the midst of the Divine Council
before the earthly ministry. Have you been with my prophets
who have stood in my assembly? Is some of the
verses say stuff like that. So the Divine councils is
where the human Samuel different profits the Old Testament actually
were confirmed, sort of confirmed as profits in front of
the angelic Divine Council. One quick one on the Divine
Council on top of Mount Sinai. We're talking about Moses
and the Golden Calf and the elders of Israel, seventy
elders of Israel. This is Exodus. Seventy elders of Israel
actually go up on top of Mount Sinai and have
a feast. They eat with the Divine Council and Jesus
Christ pre Incarnate is there on top of Mount Sinai.
So we see this all throughout Scripture, the Divine Council.
So that's chapter one. I could talk forever.
Speaker 1: But what you got, Oh yeah, man, and I love
and I guess it's kind of like the blue Honda.
You know, you never noticed the blue Honda till you
have the blue Honda, and then once you have the
blue Honda, you see it everywhere. But all the macro
and micro cosms of Scripture absolutely fascinate me. And one
thing that I noticed, I had actually kind of I
remember reading it, but I had forgotten about it actually
being seventy So it alludes to the Tower of Bible
and the Sons of God that was divided the seventy nations.
But you see that again with Jesus and his ministry,
because it says that once he goes up and he transfigures,
he sends out his seventy so like that signaling of
the reversal of Tower of Bible. But there's so many
correlations that I have found with Moses and Jesus. It's
almost like I'm not saying that these things didn't physically happen,
but the author highlighted them, I think, to try to
signal his stiff necked Jewish people who reject the Messiah
because they valued Moses so much. So it's like God,
you know, laid out his life as Jesus to Mirah
and mimic Moses to try to maybe grab the attention
of those people and be like, hey, you think this
guy is so great, look at me here. Because I'm
trying to think. It was a book that I had
read that first exposed it to me, and I like
to try to give credit where credit is due. I
can't remember the name of it now, I'm sorry, but
she had I know it was Carmen, Carmen something, but
she had pointed out those correlations, and she talked about Moses,
to escape being killed by king, goes to Egypt. So
does Jesus. He goes through the water and into the wilderness.
It is tempted for forty years. Jesus, once he's baptized,
goes into the wilderness and is tempted for.
Speaker 2: Forty days, and then that mount sigh.
Speaker 1: And I think there's just so many of them, dude,
And I think it's beautiful, and to me, it's just
more confirmation that you know, it's the word of God.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's a lot of symbolism in the Old Testament,
a lot of symbolic prophesying towards Christ. Moses, as you
just talked about, being one the serpent on the pole
where people look to for salvation, hung on the pole
like Jesus was hung on the cross. So there's a
lot of that symbolism that hearkens forward. Now, another fascinating one,
which I'm not an expert on, is the connections between
Moses and the pharaoh Aconatin. How Moses how Pharah Oknaton
was very different than the rest of the pharaohs of Egypt.
And anyway, those are fascinating stories that we get into
to wrap up on the divine council, when people will
say that, you know, God doesn't need a divine council,
so therefore the Vine council doesn't exist. God doesn't need
angels to make decisions for him. Well, just because God
doesn't need something is no argument against its existence. God
didn't need to create humanity, but he chose to. God
doesn't need a church, but that's how he has chosen
to operate. God doesn't need a vine council. I agree,
he doesn't need it, but that's how he has chosen
to operate, and scriptures clear on that. It's almost as
if God wants willing obedience or a family free will
mixed in with all of that. And so it's just
fascinating when you study the Divine Council, and you know
a lot of folks will say, well, why do we
need to study angels angelology? Because angelology, the study of
it magnifies who Jesus Christ is God himself, because Jesus
Christ is more powerful than all of these entities. We're
getting ready to talk about the princes of the nations
as you started to allude to after the Tower of Bible.
Jesus Christ is the king of all of these entities
and he is more powerful than all of them. So
you know a lot of preachers will skim over Versus
the weird verses about angels and other things. And I'm
not gonna fault preachers. I've had preachers of my own
who have just kind of skipped and said, we're not
going to talk about this today. But skipping the weird stuff,
skipping the angels especially, it produces, in my opinion, of
faith that is shallow. You know, It's the most important
thing that we can ever know is Jesus Christ as
our personal savior. Jesus Christ is the central point of history.
He's the central point of the Bible. And if you
want to study the weird stuff, I recommend that you
know who Jesus Christ is and treat the weird stuff secondary. Now.
I believe that God has called me to study the
weird stuff, and so it's what I do for a
living now and I very much enjoy doing it. But
before we get into the princes of the nations, you
got any thoughts.
Speaker 1: Oh, no, I mean, I would just be an echo chamber,
because I mean, you've had some private conversations and talked
about that too. Alberino, the one time I had him
on the show, he had said something like that, and
that was twenty twenty two. I think it was, but
it still just resonates with me. You know, He's pretty
much said the same thing. Yes, Christ is the foundation stone.
There's too many people, you know, skipping the boring foundations
and just going to the cool nephelum giants and aliens
and divine counsel and like you'd said, it produces a
shallow faith by ignoring them completely. But the same speak
by skipping the foundation and just going to this. And
he was like, well, Christ is the anchor if you
want to be before Workley talking about like a ship
in the chaotic sea that keeps you stable and grounded
and getting thrown away by the changing winds and the storms.
So yeah, all that fascinating stuff is important in biblical prophecy.
It's not important to your salvation. But foundations. First, man,
you can't build your house on sand. You got to
build it on the firm foundation of Christ. So yeah,
I'm just echoing your sentiment. Brother.
Speaker 2: I agree.
Speaker 3: He's the central point of history and the central point
of scripture, and I'm very thankful for that. In fact,
what we're going to get into in the last two
chapters of this book, the Prince was promised we're going
to get into Jesus Christ and the three reasons that
he came to the earth. But speaking of the three reasons,
let's go ahead and get into the princes of the
nations of the Tower of Babble, which is one of
the reasons Jesus came to the earth. So what we
see in scripture after the Tower, this is Deuteronomy chapter
thirty two, verse eight and nine, is after God divides
the languages, divides the nations of Babel into seventy, seventy
or seventy two, depending on the septuagen Mazeritic Genesis Versus Luke.
But seventy or seventy two is the number of the
gods of the nations. So in Deuteronomen thirty two eight,
God divides the world according to the number of the
children of Israel, which is seventy. So God divides the
world into seventy nations. Verse nine, God chooses Jacob as
the law of his inheritance. This is the point in
all of history that Jesus that God chooses Israel as
his own nation. So that's Deudonomy thirty two nine. But
what happens to the other nations the gentiles that are
not the Jews. When God chooses Israel as his nation, well,
he puts fallen angels in charge of the other sixty
nine to seventy one nations as a judgment, And people
will say, well, God wouldn't put evil angels in charge
of nations. Well, God chose Israel. God has condemned mankind
to death already. At this point, God has cleansed the
entire earth with the flood, save Noah, the animals on
the ark, and the fish that we're in the sea.
God has cleansed the earth, and God has judged the
earth twice already. So God does in Judarmi thirty two
eight and nine. He judges the earth by dividing it
into the nations and putting angels in charge of it. Now,
this isn't pulled out of finn air. There are lots
of Bible verses that talk about the princes of the nations. Daniel,
chapter ten, the angel that answers Daniel's prayer has been
warring against the Prince of Persia. It is an evil
spiritual prince of Persia. Michael, the arch angel, comes and
helps that angel go on to Daniel and takes over
the fight. He also says later in Daniel chapter ten,
that the Prince of Greece is coming, so he's got
to go fight him. So we see the Prince of
Persia and the Prince of Greece and Daniel Daniel twelve.
Two chapters later, Michael is mentioned as a Prince of Israel.
So this shows us that though there are seventy chief
princes over the nations, those nations also had subordinate princes.
So there's more than seventy princes, just seventy chief princes.
And as we talked about in the episode with secret Societies,
the number seventy or seventy two is intertwined in secret
society symbolism the apotheoses of Washington, the painting of George
Washington becoming a God, which you can see under the
Capital rotenda ceiling today. It's surrounded by seventy two stars
representing seventy two gods of old. The backside of the
dollar bill has seventy two bricks in the unfinished pyramid,
again a hearken to the gods. Now. In one hundred
years before the United States was declared its independence, it
was Sir Francis Bacon who desperately wanted the New World
to be Atlantis reborn, wanted to bring the gods of
Atlantis back to the world through the New World. We're
not talking about secret societies today, But I don't think
they ever fully succeeded in controlling the United States. They
want to, they want to control the world, but I
don't think they've fully succeeded yet. But that's a little
bit of a rabbit trail for another discussion of.
Speaker 1: Micro another one on earth as it is in heaven.
You can kind of look at the hidden hand behind
the powers that be the whole seventy you know bricks,
you know, the spiritual entities behind the rulers of the world,
do you know what I mean? Kind of like Ezekiel
twenty eight, Ezekiel thirty one, all these you condemnations to
pharaohs and kings, but then how the language changes and
it's talking to a spiritual entity, you know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So these spiritual entities we know them today, These
princes of the nations, we know them today from Ephesians two,
chapter six, as the principalities and powers of the air.
But what I'm saying is when they first became the
fallen angel fallen angelic rulers of the nations. They took
on physical bodies for a time until those bodies died.
Now that part is speculation on my part. Scripture doesn't
say that, But there are other things that occurrent scripture
that do lead me to believe that they were physical
rulers little ahead of myself. We know that this happened
because God says in multiple verses in the Old Testament
and alludes to in the New Testament that God that
Jesus will inherit all nations. Well, it's not like Jesus
never had the nations. Is when God pushed the gentiles away,
the sixty nine to seventy one nations and put fallen
angels in charge of them. He says in Psalm eighty two,
the last verse, verse eight, he says, I will bring
all nations back to myself. And in Revelation eleven fifteen,
it says the kingdoms of this world will become Jesus.
And so what we're seeing is God pushing the nations away,
and one day he doesn't do it without a promise
of a savior, just like with death, just like in
the flood. He says, one day I will bring all
the nations back to myself, and he does that through
Jesus Christ. We see in Matthew chapter four, when Satan
takes Jesus on top of the temple, he shows them
all the kingdoms of the world in a moment of time.
That was a promise of the fulfillment that Jesus would
inherit all the kingdoms without the pain of the cross.
And Satan said, if you bow to me, I will
to give that to you. Now, Jesus knew he was
supposed to get the nations of the world, but he
wanted to do it on the Father's terms, not on Satan's.
So Jesus did not bow to Satan. Now we mentioned
Psalm eighty two, and this is a chapter, one of
the most fascinating chapters in all of Scripture, especially until
you know what's really going on. Psalm eighty two is
only eight verses long, so I encourage people to read
it fascinating chapter. God sits among the gods, loheim sits
among the yloheim and he's judging the gods based on
their treatment of their human subjects. He says they're oppressing
the poor and the needy. Now those two words come
in another chapter Amos Chapter four, which we'll get to
the angels. The fallen angel angelic rulers are oppressing the
poor and needy humans, and God says, start treating your
human subjects better, or I'm going to cast you to
the earth like one of the princes, and you will
die like men. I have said, you are gods, but
you will die like men. So God is talking to
When we say gods, we're talking lowercase gods. Because the
nations of old, the pagan nations, they called them their gods.
These fallen angels. God even calls them gods in Scriptures
one and other verses. God calls them gods. So we're
not being blasphemous. These are lowercase gods. These are fallen angels.
But Psalm eighty two talks about those guys. And I
want to go to the cross, but I think i'll
wait on the section on Jesus before I do that.
So we have these angelic princes, and I know where
I want to go next, and I'll do it real
quick because you've got some thoughts.
Speaker 1: Oh, I'm good, I'm just sitting back, man.
Speaker 2: Let it roll.
Speaker 3: The question I get asked the most at conferences and email.
If someone asked me a question. The question I get
asked the most is how did the giants return after
the flood? Well, Genesis six says there were giants in
the earth in those days, and also after that, we
also know that there's plenty of giants after the flood.
Goliath and Ogg, the Rafaem, the anachem, the emms, and Zeeman,
all kinds of giants. Well, if the giants are the
result of angels sleeping with women in Genesis six, then
it stands the reason that they're the result of the
same unholy union after the flood. And where do we
have angels coming down in mass after the flood Deuteronomy
thirty two eight, where the seventy plus angels are given
nations to rule over, And as I'm speculating, they were
physical for a time until their bodies died. And if
you have physical angels ruling nations, they're going to take queens,
they're going to take women, and they're going to sire
more giants. So I'm speculating that Goliath, Og, the post
Deluvian giants all come from the princes of the nations
that were angels that took on human form.
Speaker 2: Mm hm oh yeah.
Speaker 1: Man, And one thing too, is especially I'm in the
process of writing another book and it's going into the
secular view of the royals and the elites and stuff
and how they claim they had they got the divine
right to rule. Nicholas ar calls them the Dragon Court
and stuff like that, and kind of seeing what they think,
what they believe, and they're.
Speaker 2: You know, just a lot like New Agers.
Speaker 1: How they'll grab pieces of history, pieces of mythology around
the world, and even biblical stuff and kind of you know,
twist them in together to fit like their narrative and
things like that. But one thing I thought was particularly
ironic is they aligned themselves openly, openly with us with
the proper biblical worldview of Nephilim, because they even said
I was reading that they traced back to the Anunaki
we know to be the Genesis sixth fallen Angels. I mean,
it's a carbon copy polaroid picture, man, they're just calling
it a different name. But in that story talked about
how Inky, who we know with Semi l Satan, made
a sub human race of people and that they were
to be the overlords. And he even says it in
his book. You know, he said this is a sub
human anephilim race that was created to overlord the cattle,
so to speak. So even they are openly admitting it.
So that's why I think it's so important. You know,
of course foundations first, but to have this proper view
of ancient scripture in worldview, because unknowingly or that might
just be pompously you know, in your face, and they
don't care. But least we are not deceived. You know,
we're commanded to be wise as serpents.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, the serpents definitely have knowledge. The serpent in
the garden. The watchers who taught them forbidden knowledge. So
I want to continue with the giants. As we started
talking about the nepheline, as you mentioned Theaki, and of
course in my current book that I'm almost done with,
Mythologies Decoded, I go into all the Inunaki, the Gagantests,
the Titans, Chronos, all the mythological echoes that are the
watchers in scripture.
Speaker 1: That's right up my alley.
Speaker 3: It's a ton of fun. I'm loving writing this book,
almost done so and it'll be out later this year.
Where was I going? So the giants? I want to
talk about the giants in hell. But before I do that,
let's clarify it. One of the biggest sticking points with
people who don't like what we talk about what I
talk about is the idea that in Genesis six, these
are not angels, that these are humans who are sleeping
with women. It's the seth I view that the sons
of God are actually the sons of Seth. Well, I
have issues with the seth I view, and I'm going
to use scripture to back up why these are our angels.
First of all, in Hebrew they are Baneja Aloheen sons
of God, and all throughout Scripture the sons of God,
especially in the Old Testament, our angels. We see some
shifts in the scripture between the Old and the New Testament,
between Satan and the Old Testament being a title which
means Satan's likely other entities could be Satan in some instances,
but in the New Testament Satan is Satan, whereas in
the Old Testament sons of God are referring to angels,
and in the New Testament sons of God are referring
to us, the save the elect. Anyway, so Genesis six
Banana Lhem, the sons of God, these are angels, and
there's number of reasons why. First of all, go against
the arguments people that say that these are the sons
of Seth. That does not explain how the sons of
Seth are having giants with human women. That doesn't explain that.
Neither doesn't. Yeah, it'll make Bigfoot neither, and I've been
enjoying your epic of Esaul. Neither does the Seth that
view explain why God would send the flood to destroy
a corrupted earth. Now, if these are giants, half angel
half human the nepheline, that does explain why God sent
the flood to corrupt the earth. In fact, the non
canonical writings, which I don't take as an inspired they
do say that's why God sent the flood to corrupt,
to cleanse the corruption that the nepheline and the Watchers
I had done. Let's also Claire one more time. The
Watchers are the angels who came down and took women.
The nepheline are their children, meaning angels or angels. But
Nephiline are half human half angelic, at least for the
first generation. The blood line gets mixed up for that.
So there are reasons why these are angels. First of all,
Scripture says many places it talks about the angels that
sinned in the days of Noah. And anybody who says
that these sons of God in Genesis six are humans
can never explain to me why the New Testament, in
at least three different locations talk about the angels that
send in the days of Noah. What that's even talking about?
Because if these sons of God who take human women
as wives leave their proper place, what is the New
Testament talking about if not them in Genesis six. But
let's stay in the Old Testament. Isaiah chapter twenty four
prophesied that the Messiah will go visit the spirits in
prison in chains prophesies that the Messiah will do that. Well,
we see the fulfillment of that in the New Testament.
First Peter three, verses eighteen, nineteen, and twenty. Jesus dies
on the cross. In verse eighteen his body is dead
in the grave, but his spirit is on the earth
for three days. And then verse nineteen he goes down
into shield or into the underworld, and he proclaims his
victory over the spirits that made trouble in the days
of Noah. So if you believe that Genesis six or humans,
explained to me what that verse is even talking about
Jude one six and the angels which kept not their
first estate, but left their own habitation he hath reserved
and everlasting chains under darkness. In the next verse, verse seven,
they sought sexual They sought strange flesh. In other words,
they sought sexual union outside of God's special boundaries. That's
Jude one seven. There's only one chapter in Jude but
Jude seven, Jude one seven, tewod Peters Chapter two, verse
four talks about the angels that sinned being cast into
Tartarus chained up when they made trouble in the days
of Noah. So again scripture is pointing all the way
back to Genesis six. There are lots of verses. Now,
that was a lot to say to preface when we
were starting to get into the nepheline, But that is
my evidence scripturally backed up that these sons of God
in Genesis six are not humans. Also, Job thirty eight
says the sons of God were there when the foundations
of the earth were laid. Where were you in the
morning stars saying for sing glory and the sons of
God were there. There's other instances in job where the
sons of God are stars in heaven. I'm going to
go into the nepheline and the giants in Hell. The
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Speaker 3: Right, So, the giants in Hell A lot of people
don't know. In fact, most people that i've since I've
studied this topic were very surprised. Scripture actually mentioned the
giants in Hell and three different verses specifically, and then
there's a lot of verses and passages that are talking
about them. But if you don't know there are giants
in Hell, you wouldn't really know what scripture is talking about.
So let's start by what are demons? Demons are the
spirits of the nepheline Usually I spent about seven or
eight minutes building up to that to reveal that mystery.
But we're already into this. So demons and fallen angels
are not the same thing. Satan is not a demon,
Satan is a fallen angel. Demons and fallen angels are
two different entities entirely. In fact, Acts Chapter twenty three,
Verse eight tells us as much. The Sadducees confessed neither
angels nor spirits, but the Pharisees confessed. In other words,
angels and spirits are two different types of things. Matthew, Matthew,
Somewhere Matthew, they say he does not cast out devils,
but by Biel's above, the prince of devils, in other words,
the angels who are princes of the demons. So according
to non canonical writings, and again I don't take non
canonical writings as inspired. I believe that the sixty six
books that we have are inspired. But there are writings
that are correct history, just like your history book that
you studied in high school, just like the writings of
doctor Michael Heizer, just like my writings. Just because they're
not inspired by God, though some of them may be
but we don't know. Just because they're not inspired doesn't
mean they're not correct history. And so there's a number
of writings from Josephus to ancient noncanonical writings, which we'll
talk a little bit about. I do think that this
account in Enoch of the origin of demons is correct
history because Scripture corroborates what it talks about. Enoch says
that the demons are the disembodied spirits of the giants,
and there was no place for their souls in heaven
because they're half angel, half human. So they're destined to
roam the earth, to torment mankind, to cause trouble among mankind,
to cause pestilences, wars, all that kind of stuff. Demons
are just evil, seeking to inhabit bodies, never being as satiated,
never being happy. Well, Scripture goes on to tell us
the demons are never satiated. They hunger in they thirst,
They walk through dry places trying to possess people. So
I do believe Thenoch has correct history when it says
that the demons are to the sumbody spirits of the nephileam.
In fact, all of the New Testament writers were taught
this Enoch was reading for them. Jude quotes from the
Book of Enoch in verse fourteen. There are other concepts
from the Book of Ennock that Peter talks about with
Tartaris and the chained up angels. Ezekiel talks about the
stones of fire. We will get too much into that,
so the scripture verses that talk about the giants in hell.
First of all, the word hell is not in the
original Greek or the original Hebrew. Hell's an English word
that combines three locations of the underworld into one word hell.
Hell is actually three different locations, not levels of punishment
for humans, but three different locations. Shield which is the
realm of the dead, Tartarus, which is the realm of
the imprisoned angels, and Gehinna, which is the lake of fire,
the eternal punishment. Those are three separate locations. The original
Hebrew and the original Greek don't use the word hell.
They use those three words. So Shield, the realm of
the dead, is where dead humans go, where the righteous
dead humans went before Jesus Christ and the unrighteous. They
both went to Hell, which is Shield. And so we
see this in Luke chapter sixteen. They talk about Lazarus
and the rich Man. The rich man goes to abadon
the bad side of Shield, and the Lazarus goes to
Abraham's bosom, the paradise portion of Shield. When Jesus Christ dies,
which we're going to get into and the three reasons
he came, he goes down into Abraham's bosom, he says
to the malefactor on the cross next to him, today,
you will be with me in Paradise. That is the
Abraham's bosom portion of Shiel. So in Shield we have
human dead, we also have the demons. The demons can
come and go from Shiel at will. They walk through
those dry places seeking to inhabit humans, because we also
have the demons in Hell, which we're gonna make it into.
We also see that Samuel himself is summoned up in
the count encounter with the Witch of Endoor. I think
that's for Samuel twenty eight. Samuel summoned up from Shield,
and it is it is Samuel. It's not a demon,
because he's conversing with King Saul and they're talking among
each other anyway. So and then we get to Tartarus again,
that's where the watchers were cast. It's also if you
see the word the abyss or the bottomless pit, that
is Tartarus. The only time Tartaris has ever used in scripture.
It's tewod Peter chapter two, verse four. We already talked
about the angels that were cast into Tartars and the
chains of judgment. It is the Greek word as well.
The Titans are cast in Tartarus. Kronos, the chief of
the Titans, is cast into Tartarus, obviously the word for
that place of holding for the angels. And Revelation nine,
which we're going to get into, Apollon comes out of Tartars,
comes out of the abyss, the bottomless pit. So that
is where the angels are kept. And again, Gahinna is
the final judgment. Currently, Gahinna, the lake of fire is empty.
Nothing is in Gahina right now in the earthly timeline,
the spiritual realms outside of our time, but I'm not
really going to get into that today. Gahinna is the
final judgment for all of God's creations. I think there's
a lot more creations than just earth. But that's speculation
on my part because the Bible is written forth. But
all the angels, all of God's intelligent created beings who
have the breath of life, will be at the Great
Day of Judgment, and that is the final punishment where
Satan the angels underpitting humans likely demons. A scripture never
bpetically says that will be cast into the lake of fire.
All right, that was a lot to tell what hell is,
which is three places. Now the giants in hell? You
ready for it?
Speaker 1: Huh oh yeah, all right.
Speaker 3: So in Ezekiel or Isaiah fourteen nine it says she
ol stir stirreth up the dead. That's the King James.
But the dead the word dead. There is refayem. So
to understand the giants in hell. There's a number of
words for giants in scripture. The anachem is a race
of giants, a refaem is a race of giants, Zemons
and zumin. Now gibrim is a term that describes mighty ones,
but oftentimes the Old Testament it is referring to the giants,
sometimes referring to mighty men. The soldiers of King David,
so gibrim is not a guaranteed word that it is giants.
But Gibrim is mentioned in hell in one of these verses,
So anachem rafayem the nepheline the original. But anyway, Isaiah
fourteen nine, she ol stirth up the dead. She old
stirreth up the refayem. The verse goes on to say
a little more is Zeco chapter thirty two, verse twenty
one through twenty seven. The Gibriims speak out of shield,
and again gibrim can also mean humans. But the Greek Septuagint,
which is one of the scriptures from which Jesus read,
translates the giants of Old in that verse and those
verses at excuse me, the dead that are in Hell
as the giants of Old. Ezekiel is referring back to
the Nephilimo Genesis chapter six when he talks about the
Gibbeem in Hell with their weapons of war. Isaiah chapter
twenty six, verse thirteen through fourteen. It says the refaem,
the original word is refeme will not rise there dead.
They're in shield. So we see these giants in shield
now as we as I believe that the demons are giants.
We're talking about demons. They're disembodied, so like their physical
bodies are down there. They're the disembodied giants in shield.
And so why are the giants in hell? Again, they're demons,
and the demons are the children of Shimyaza. Shimyas will
be the leader of the two hundred angels who came
down in Genesis six and had those children. So if
the giants are the demons, then the demons are the
children of Shimyaza. So why are these giants in hell? Well,
in Revelation nine, as we started to talk about it,
talks about Apollon being bound in Tartars in the bottomless pit,
and he is loosed. I saw a starfall from heaven
to the earth, and to him was given the key
to the bottomless pit. And he loses out Locus, and
he loses out Apollon Abadon the Greek name and the
other name for him, this is Shimyaza. Again, this is
a mystery I like to build up to when I'm
giving presentations. But this is shim Yaza because he is
the king of the Abyss. And it begs an interesting
question if there is a king of the abyss an
angel who is so powerful that he is the king
of the Abyss, who has been chained up for thousands
of years. Then why is Satan let loosed on the
earth right now? This isn't Satan. Satan's roaming the earth.
So this tells us that this entity is likely more
powerful than Satan. Now, don't get me wrong, Satan right
now is the most powerful evil entity against which we
war right now on the earth. But this guy has
chained up in the Abyss and he's going to be
loose during the tribulation. So long story short, this is
shim Yaza. He is Kronus from Greek mythology. Derek Gilbert
is the second coming up Saturn.
Speaker 1: Not say I got turned on to that. To Derek
and I'd never thought of that. He was like, you know,
we always look at Satan, Satan, Satan, he said, Satan's
Roman free. He said, yeah, Now, the one that comes
out of the pit. He said, he was dangerous enough
that God's seen he had to be chained. So what
does that say for the ferociousness and the evil and
the wickedness of this entity versus Satan.
Speaker 3: Yeah? Absolutely, And of course Satan, I mean Satan keeps
showing up if he was the serpent in the garden,
which he could have been, but it doesn't specifically say
that Satan will also be let loose at the end
of the thousand year reign. And those are interesting questions.
Why did God allow the serpent into the garden? Why
is God going to allow Satan to tip mankind after
the end of the thousand years after this whole tribulation thing.
God has a plan of free will. He created at
him and even he put a tree in front of
them and said, don't need of the tree. That's the
perfect example of God giving us free will our own salvation.
Trusting Jesus Christ or not is another great example, probably
the best exams sample of free will. So we are
a creation of free will. Not only do we have
free will, the angels have free will. That's obvious with
all the different angels who have rebelled against God throughout history.
All right, where were we? Okay? Revelation nine. So not
only does Apollon rise out of the pit in the tribulation,
but also the locusts rise with him. Those are the demons.
So let's get into the demons in hell just a
little more is Ezekiol chapter thirty nine. Well, let's back up.
Let's go outside the Bible. The Ugurtic texts. They are
texts from ancient Ugrit. They were found in Syria one
hundred years ago. They are called the Rafayem texts Refayem
a giants. It talks about the Rafayem who travel to
a great feast of the gods. So this is in
the spiritual realm, the Rafayem. They ride chariots, they ride
horses to this great feast of the gods. And at
the feast they eat birds, rams, calves, lambs. They have
a mighty feast. And in the Ugarritic texts, these are
pagan texts, the feast is to honor the nepheleine. The
feast is to honor these giants. And why are these
details from a non canonical text important Because six hundred
years after these texts were recorded, Ezekiel records the same
feast and scripture with the giants. He talks about the
giants who traveled to a great feast. They eat rams,
they eat calves, they eat lambs. The birds are gathering
for the feast too. In Ezekel, that's a little bit
different than the Urdic texts, So what is ezek That's
tech the Ezekil chapter thirty nine, verses seventeen through twenty,
the giants will be eaten at this feast. In the
Ezekiel version, as opposed to the Pagan version of the
Urdic texts, the giants were honored to the feast. But
Ezekiel says the giants will be the feast, the birds
will eat their flesh. So what is Ezekiel talking about?
This is not a past event, this is a future event.
Because Revelation chapter nineteen, verse seventeen says there is an
angel standing in the sun, and he said, gather to
the birds, Gather to the great feast of God, eat
the flesh, mighty men. So this feast that the Ugurritic
text talking about, Book of Vesicals talking about, and now
Revelation nineteen, this is the Battle of Armageddon and this
feast the giants will be the feast at the Battle
of Armageddon. So what does that mean? Well, we said
the locusts the demons, which are the giants, come out
of the abyss with abadam. They've become out shield as
they go through the pit, and the giants are the feast.
That same chapter. A few verses later, Revelation nine, it
talks about a two hundred million man army from the
east that takes part in Armageddon. Well, these trying to
build up to it, the ugurridic texts say that the
bird excuse me, Eazekial says that the birds will eat
the giants, they eat the horses that they ride, and
they will eat the chariots. Now that's fascinating. Birds can
eat horses, birds can eat men. But how do the
birds eat chariots of steel and wood. Well, the chariots
are metaphor the chariots are humans, because those two hundred
million demons from Shield will possess humans, and at the
Battle of Armageddon, those humans which are used by demons
will be the feast. And so these this feast of
the gods that ends in the culmination of Armageddon are
the nephelem who will die at Armageddon as the feast.
And again a lot of that's Derek gilbert fascinating study.
Speaker 1: I remember him talking about that, but I coudn't recall
the scripture. Yeah, for those that's not familiar with that,
let me read that real quick, Micah.
Speaker 3: Because Ezekiel thirty nine seventeen through twenty so seventeen.
Speaker 1: Okay, so it says, as for you, son of Man,
Thus says the Lord God. Speak to the birds of
every sort, and to all beasts of the field. Assemble
and come gather from all around to the sacrificial feast
that I am preparing for you, a great sacrificial feast
on the mountains of Israel. And you shall eat flesh
and drink blood. You shall eat the flesh of the
mighty and drink the blood of the princes of the earth,
of rams of lambs, and of he goats of bulls,
all of them fat beasts of Bashan. And you shall
eat fat till you are filled, and drink blood till
you are drunk at the sacrificial feasts that I am
preparing for you. And you shall be filled at my
table with horses and chariots, with mighty men and all
kinds of warriors, declares the Lord. And I had highlighted
too already, so I had found this, I'd just forgotten
about it.
Speaker 2: I had highlighted in the logos.
Speaker 1: But verse eleven, on that day I will give to
God a place for burial in Israel. The valley of
the travelers. So that's that famous valley that David talks about. Though,
I walk through the valley of the Shadow of Death
east of the sea, and it will block the travelers
for their gog and all his multitude will be buried.
It will be called the Valley of Hammond Gog. And
then fourteen it mentions these travelers again, so it kind
of correlates to that Hugarrett text that you had mentioned.
Derek had talked about how they went to Mount her
or Man and done these sacrifices, and they found that
bowl dug out on top of the mountain for these sacrifices,
and that they would travel for seven days to the
realm of the dead till they would arrive in physicality
to the feast.
Speaker 3: And so yeah, the verses you read are important to this.
Most biblical scholars for hundreds of years have interpreted that
to be a vast number of bodies at Armageddon, the travelers.
The valley will be blocked. They said, there's so many
bodies that the valley will be blocked. No, what that's
saying is the nose of the travelers will be blocked.
That saying that these travelers, which are the giants, they
have no resurrection. We humans, we will rise. As Christians,
we will rise. We have a resurrection. But the giants,
they will not rise in Christ. Their noses will be blocked.
In verse eleven, the travelers, and so there is no resurrection.
So they instead of resurrecting, possess humans two hundred million
humans from Revelation nine. As the telling goes, as the
theory that Derek Gilbert also I have studied and put
forward is what's going on there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so their portal is blocked. They're portal for resurrection.
Speaker 3: Right, They're Neffinitely, they're demons. They're not human souls. They're
half human, half angels. So the next thing that we
want to get into with this, which correlates everything we've
talked about, is the three reasons that Jesus came. And
when you're ready, we'll talk about it. Gentlemen, you had
my curiosity, but now you have my attention. So we
as Christians know that Jesus Christ came to save mankind
from their sin, to reverse the curse of Genesis three.
The serpent in the garden. A stop on the serpent
for a moment. A lot of folks do say the
serpent is Satan. I'm okay with that. It could have
been Satan, But scripture never says that. There are non
canonical writings.
Speaker 1: They try to use, right, And that's the one calls
him that ancient twisting serpent or something.
Speaker 3: Like that, that old serpent the devil. And I'll explain
that in a second. There are two non canonical writings.
One calls the serpent in the garden Gadriel. That's Enoch.
The Apocalypse of Abraham calls the serpent in the garden
as Zazel, And the scripture never names the serpent in
the garden. It says the serpent in the Kash. Now,
when you realize that Nakash is a reptilian type of angel,
you realize that there's probably millions of these things. Satan
is in Nakash. Satan is a reptilian type of angel,
Azazel is likely a reptilian. Gadrill is likely a tillion
type of angel. When you realize that that is a
type of angel, that's chapter three. In Angels Eternal, we
go over the different types of angels. Of course, the Cherabim,
the Seraphim, the six swing angels of God's thrown, the
cherbim have the heads of eagles, humans, bulls, and lions.
We see all kinds of weird creatures as angels, eyeballs,
and wheels, and so the reptilian type of angels in
the cost who is the serpent in the garden, is
another type of angel. And so when they say Satan,
that old serpent, that old serpent the devil. Almost to
everybody who reads that and wants to say that the
serpent in the garden was Satan, that's where they get
it from. They say it's also Lucifer, which I don't
think so. I think Lucifer was Shimiyaza, but they talk
about that. So when you realize Satan's in the cash,
Satan's a type of angel that's reptilian. All of a sudden,
there's no guarantee that the serpent in the garden is him,
but he is a reptilian. That also gives rise to
the Reptilian conspiracy theories of the ancient Reptilian races and stuff.
In fact, I've started to think a lot only the
last few months after I wrote Angels Eternal, I've started
to think more about the elongated skulls. I've always believed
the elongated skulls were nepheline skulls, but we never hear
anything else about it. Really, I think that if you
have serpent angels nakash having children too, that their children
are gonna have scaly skin and long heads, and then
over the generations that breeds out that you don't have
it forever. And so I'm starting to think more of
the reptilian skinned, long skulled type Nephiline, we're actually children
of Nakosh angels, which you have obviously different types of angels. Anyway,
that's a side theory. We were going towards the threies
and Jesus came, yes the curse of death in the
garden with the serpent, so we know Jesus came to
reverse the curse of death, and he does so on
the cross as a willing sacrifice, so that any human
who accepts him, not of their own works Ephesians two
eight and nine, but a faith in him, will have
everlasting life and not be departed into darkness away from
God at the great day of judgment. There are two
other reasons Jesus came, and this is this comes from
doctor Michael Hazers reversing Harmon if you've ever read that book,
excellent book about the three reasons Jesus came. Let's see
which one do I go to. Let's go to the
Let's save the watchers for last, the reverse the curse
of Babel. The second reason reasion Jesus came was to
reverse the curse of the Tower of Babel, which we've
already alluded to, with God pushing the nations away, divorcing
the nations, handing them over to fallen angels, but giving
a promise and saw them eighty two eight saying I
will bring all kingdom back to myself, and in Revelation
eleven fifteen saying the kingdom of this world will be
the Kingdom of Jesus. Jesus is the fulfillment of the
pushing away of the nations. Jesus brings the nations back.
First of all, if you're reversing the curse of Babel,
you have to deal with the curse of language. God
instantaneously divides the world into seventy different languages. Now, as
you said earlier, Jesus sends how many disciples out into
the world, he sends seventy, and in a separate instance,
when his disciples speak, everyone hears in their own language.
They're speaking in tongues of fire, and whenever they speak,
everyone hears them, and they're confused, like, Hey, I'm hearing
my language come out of his mouth, and you're hearing
your language come out of his mouth. And so Jesus
has reversed that part of the curse of Babel, the
curse of language. But in order to verse the curse
of Babel, you also have to defeat the princes. This
is so fascinating. You talked about in Ezekiel thirty two
thirty nine to eleven, the bulls of the cows and
the bulls of Bashan. Any time in scripture you're reading
the bulls of Bashon, the cows of Bisyon, or and
in general talking about Sean, pay attention. These are the
princes of the nations. These are the fallen angels. Let's
go to Psalm twenty two, a great chapter about the crucifixion.
Psalm twenty two was written a thousand years before Christ
was crucified. Supposedly was written by King David. The Psalm
twenty two says, the bulls surrounded me, Many bulls of
Bashon surrounded me. Their teeth gnashed as a roaring lion.
My hands in my feet were pierced. They cast lots
for my garments. This is the Crucifixion, the thousand years before.
It's prophesying it. So we know the roaring line of Satan.
Scripture obviously says the Satan walks as a roaring line.
But who are these bulls of Bashan? Well, I've already
told you they're the princes of the nations. I usually
build up to that mystery, but there's a lot of
clues that give us that. First of all, Amos chapter four,
okay Amis Chapter four, verses one through three, cows of
Bashon oppress the poor and needy. Amember earlier, I told
you from psalmighty two to remember these princes of the
nations were oppressing the poor and needy, and an Amus four,
the cows of Bishan are oppressing the poor and needy.
The feast of Tabernacles in the Old Testament is numbers
chapter twenty nine. The children of Israel celebrate the feast
of Tabernacles. The secondary purpose for the feasts of Tabernacles
is to say God is not just the God of Israel.
God is the God of all nations, and one day
he will bring the nations back to himself. And what
do they do at the Feast of Tabernacles. On the
first day they sacrifice thirteen bulls, on the second day
to sacrifice twelve bulls, and then the next day eleven bulls,
all the way down to seven, I think, and you
add all the bulls up, they're sacrificing seventy bulls saying
that one day God will bring all the nations back.
So again, that's more proof that these bulls of Bashan
are the princes of the nations, and we're gonna come
to that fulfillment. In First Corinthians, chapter two, verse seven,
let's back up real quick, Matthew, chapter four, Satan, as
we talked about earlier, takes Jesus on top of the
temple and says, I will give you all the kingdoms
of the world. Satan had that power. Satan is the
prince of those earthly princes. Satan is the ruler of
all seventy plus of those princes, and he owns the
kingdoms of the world. And he had the authority to
give those kingdoms over to Jesus. But Jesus did it
on the father's terms, not on Satan's terms. But First Corinthians,
chapter two, verse seven, I will show you a mystery.
I will show you the hidden wisdom. Had the princes
of this world knew, they would not have crucified our lord.
So at the crucifixion you have the Roman soldiers, you
have the Jews, you have the family of Jesus, various citizens.
But that's not all that say. At the crucifixion and
the spiritual realm, you have Satan and the seventy plus
princes surrounding Jesus at the cross. And that is the
Psalm twenty two prophecy of the bulls encompassing him at
the cross. So Jesus comes in on is death at
the cross. Colossians two fifteen says, in his victory he
spoiled principalities and powers. Again, the seventy princes of the
nations are the principalities and powers that Ephesians two and
six talk about. So Jesus reverses the curse of death,
and he reverses the curse of Babel by defeating the
princes of the nations and reversing the curse of language.
Now to finish and wrap things, up, we'll talk about
reversing the Curse of the Watchers, but I want to
give you a minute to give me any thoughts or
any questions you got.
Speaker 1: Oh, no, man, that's beautiful because yeah, that Reversing Herman
book by Heiser, that's where I found that stuff for
the first time. It blew my mind and honestly, even
to this day, that's one.
Speaker 2: Of my it's probably my favorite book. So much.
Speaker 1: Inner weavings into that that connects all those dots and
shows you the uh, the battle that we are in.
But we can't see the forest for the trees. So
I think that his perspective kind of gives you that helicopter,
you know, overview of the the war that we're in,
and it makes total sense, and it shows you the
the full circle of everything, you know, because it's not
detrimental to you, know, your your faith. We as we've
said many times, but like far as equipping the body
of Christ, sharpening your your sword and showing you why
He came to me, it kind of puts us in
awe And it's like that verse to a lot of
people talk about, you know, the beginning of wisdom is
the fear of the Lord well, I mean that's Hebrew
word has translated many times as ah. So the beginning
of wisdom is to be in awe of the Lord.
And when you search these things out and you find
that man, it's hard not to be in awe.
Speaker 3: Before we get into the watchers and reversing that curse.
As we have stated earlier in this program, studying angelology,
studying the weird stuff, Studying the stuff, it magnifies who
Jesus Christ is because he is more powerful than all
of these entities. He has conquered these enemies through selfless
death when they thought he was going to rule and
save mankind from the Romans. Satan didn't know if crucifixion
was the catalyst. Just like we read the verse about
the mystery in one Corinthians two seven, I will show
you a mystery. Had the princes of this world knew,
they would not have crucified our Lord. They didn't know.
Satan took him up on the mountain and said Mount
of Temptation, said cast yourself down, and a thousand angels
will save you. Satan was fishing for information from Jesus.
Satan was trying to see if death was part of
the plan. Satan, but Jesus did not give Satan that information,
so they're ignorant of the wisdom of God. They're cunning,
they have a lot of knowledge, but they're ignorant of
the wisdom of God. Even Jesus doesn't know the day
in which God will return in our future, he says.
So he says, only the Father knows the day that
I will return, which I guess I'll get into real quick.
I speculate. I think that the great day of judgment
of the tribulation is staved off generation by generation, depending
on what we do. That's a theory on my part.
I think there's plenty of biblical evidence. God tells Noah
and Methusla to preach for one hundred and twenty years,
and he tells them in the Book of Jeshure not Inspired,
that if mankind repents, he will not send the flood.
God tells Abraham that if he can find a righteous
man in Sodom, he will not destroy Sodom. God tells
David that if David does something, he will not have
him go conquer the people. God gives people. Yeah, yeah,
nine of us is a perfect example. God is going
to judge ninevah. But because Jonah is faithful, God did
not judge Ninevah. So I treat our future tribulation, the
future return of the Lord, the future those events as
generational that every generation has the opportunity to stave off.
On one day generation is going to fail. Jesus doesn't
know the day. Only God, the Father knows. I think
that God has prepared anti Christ throughout history to be
ready to be possessed Napoleon's one of the famous ones.
Hitler is a famous one, Antiochus Epiphanes. Different people throughout
history Nero have been ready to be possessed by Satan.
But God says not this generation. And so every generation
you have a anti Christ candidate, but it doesn't come
to until God's ready. Okay, that was all bonus. The
third reason Jesus came to the earth was to reverse
the curse of the Watchers. We've talked a lot about
the Watchers. The Genesis six angels who rebelled, came down,
left their original happy according to Jude one six, and
fathered the Nephelene, took human women and fathered the Nephileine.
So in order to reverse the curse of the Watchers,
you have to reverse the curse of their children again
the demons. The demons are the children of the Watchers.
They are a partial result of the watchers incursion on mankind.
One thing we haven't talked about at all is the
forbidden knowledge that the Watchers taught to mankind. The non
canonical writings name all the technology and stuff the Watchers taught, writing, abortion, astronomy, astrology, weapons,
makeup armor, cutting of roots or sun moon stars, all
kinds of stuff that the Watchers taught to humans. The
only specific verse in scripture that says an angel taught
something to mankind is Revelation twenty one to seventeen. John
is having a vision of a man measuring heaven. He's
using the cubit, the ancient measurement from the tip of
the finger to the elbow, and Revelation twenty one to
seventeen says that is the measure of the man, that
is of the angels. So I do believe that the
angels taught the cubit to mankind according to that. Also
in Justicis four, the sons of Lamex are the first
time in scripture we see advanced technology. This is before
the flood uh Jubil Jabel, animal husbandman, player of musical instruments,
harp and Oregon. But then Tubal Kane is an artificer
of metals. Tuble Cane mixes metallurgy, so they did have
that type of technology in the days of Noah with
the rivets and stuff used on the arc.
Speaker 1: Another discussioner's name, I think is a hat tip to
the book because it said they came down because the
women were calmly and beautiful.
Speaker 2: You know that.
Speaker 1: You get into the etymology of her name. That's what
her name means common.
Speaker 3: Isn't her name Nama? Yeah? Name is a daughter of
Limex Yeah. Yeah, and we're we're not talking about the noahlemic.
There's two blood lines. Lemex is in another blood line
of Kane. In fact, the blood line of Kine and
the blood line of Seth. The names are so similar.
There's a weird study in there which you might get it. Yeah,
you may get into. You might get into, but I'll
leave that all up to you. It's a fascinating study
of the similarities in the two names. Generation in blood lines. Okay,
where were we going.
Speaker 1: We haven't got to it yet, but I got into
it in the epic of Eso.
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, I haven't got to anymore. I uh okay.
So to reverse the curse the watchers, you have to
deal with their children, the demons. And in fact, in
all scripture, who's the first person to cast out a demon?
Jesus Christ in the Synagogue and Copernium. Jesus Christ cast
out the demon. Jesus Christ sets his foot down and says,
I am here. The Kingdom of our Lord has come,
and he is laying the ground saying I am here
by casting out that demon, and Jesus obviously continues to
cast out the demons. So the gates of Hell is
at the Grotto of Pan. I've been there, A lot
of people have been there. It's one of the most
business places. I don't know if you've ever been there.
It's to have waters with Jordan River. At the base
of Mount Hormone is the Grotto of Pan. It's where
Pan worship took place, bail worship took as goat, prostitution,
all kinds of stupid and weird stuff. But it's an
ominous place. At the base, yeah, I see that. Look
at the base of Mount Harmony, the giant cave is
you can see pictures of it online. It's called the
Gates of Hades, the Gates of Hell, and there's a
giant mall opening in the base of Mount Harmone cliff.
It's where they'd throw the dead goats down and to
carry away the iniquities of the people and other things.
It was said to be bottomless. Josepha said it was bottomless,
but today I've been there. It's all filled up. It's
not a hole anymore. There's a lot of rubble in there.
I don't know if it was bottomless at one point whatever.
So anyway, Jesus Christ, when he's transfigured, he is in
the region of Cesarea. PHILIPI. We know that most Biblical
scholars will just say Jesus was on top of Mount
Table or when he was transfigured. I've been to Mount
Table too. It's eighteen hundred feet tall. Mount Harmone is
visible from Mount Table and it's nine thousand feet tall.
So I'm saying that Jesus wasn't a Mount Table. He
was transfigured on Mount Harmon. And what happens on Mount Hormone.
I never said it, but you did say Mount Hormone
that is where the watchers descended. Non canonical writings, and
of course all across the ancient world. The hormonon is
where the mountain of the gods, where the gods descended.
So Jesus is at the Grotto of Pan, and he
asks his disciples, who do you say that I am?
And Peter says, thou art the Christ, the son of
the Living God. And Jesus says, on this rock I
will build my church. Now, Catholics interpret that to mean
Peter is the rock on which Jesus Christ will build
his church. Peter becomes the first Pope, and so the
Catholic Church builds their church on the rock of the papacy.
And so I don't agree with that Protestants. I'm a Protestant,
but Protestants will say the rock on which Jesus will
build his church is what Peter said, thou art the Christ,
the Son of the Living God. So I agree with
what Peter said, but I don't think that's the rock
that Jesus was talking about. Jesus is literally, in my opinion,
at the Grotto of Pan, pointing at the gates of Hell,
at the opening in the cliffs of Mount Harmone, and
he's saying, on this rock, pointing to the mountain. I
guess point that way on this rock I will build
my church, and the gates of Hell will not prevail
against it. So I believe the rock on which Jesus
built his church was the mount symbolically Mount Hormone. And
I'll tell you why, because after Jesus dies on the cross,
we've already said it, but we're going to get into
it one Peter, Chapter three, eighteen nineteen and twenty. When
Jesus dies on the cross, his body is in the
grave for three days, but his spirits on the earth.
He goes down into the underworld, and he proclaims his
victory over the spirits I made trouble in the days
of no He proclaims his victory over the watchers, and
then he grabs Oh man, i'm amost send you this
image in my mythology's book, I made an image of
Jesus and Hell. Anyway, he grabs the righteous dead out
of Abraham's bosom in shield and Hell, and he ascends
with them up through the gates of Hell on top
of Mount Hormone. And he ascends into Heaven with the
righteous pre Christ righteous dead on top of Mount Hormone,
symbolically defeating the Watchers and what they did. I lost
my train to fight. Uh, there something important in that.
I'm sorry, go ahead if you have thoughts, I gotta
get that one back.
Speaker 1: I gonna yeah, Oh, I was just gonna say I
had like a little conversation with a Catholic that got
offended at one of the episodes I had done.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 1: Honestly, I think it was that one men you did
together where you talked about the Pope sitting in the.
Speaker 2: Mouth and the serpent and stuff.
Speaker 3: They there that.
Speaker 1: They uh uh, but that interview we did together, I
had cut that clip out and made it a clip
on my YouTube channel. I had some Catholics come in there,
and it's funny because that clip started off with you saying,
now not to bop my Catholic friends on the head here, but.
Speaker 2: It is what it is.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 1: And they brought that up, you know, to Peter. It
said he was the rock in which you built the church.
You know, we're the original faith. You guys are the corruption,
you know, and all this kind of stuff. And I
had to explain to him, I'm like, well, I think
kind of like you. He was pointing to that mountain,
this is the foundation stone, because from here is where
I launched my attack plan. I'm the mountain where Ale
and his seventy sons, his divine council rule, and the
tower of Bibles, the seventy nations divided amongst them. I'm
sending out my seventy here to reclaim those nations and
ring in the Kingdom of God, which is not of
this world. So I was trying to tell him, I'm like,
that's what he was saying. The rock he was building
his church on was where ground zero, where the launch
attack button was pressed and the nations were.
Speaker 3: Regathered, symbolically defeating the watchers on my hormone where they
came down. And we won't spend the time on it.
But yeah, the chapter eight of Secret Societies is the
great deception. It is the chapter against Catholicism. You know,
I have had at my presentations live, I have had
Catholics there who have said something. Never anything like a
protest that you would see, Well, it's I get into politics,
but nothing terrible. But people have been there who have
been Catholics. But I will make two very important points
on cass anti Folicism. Jesus says there is one mediator
between God and man, the man Christ Jesus. If you
believe the Bible is the words of God, which I do,
there is only one mediator between God and man, the
man Christ, Jesus. What is the Pope? He is the
mediator for Catholics between God and man. In fact, four
hundred years ago you would be burned at the stake.
Will intend ask will Intendo for reading the Bible yourself.
You weren't supposed to do that. But yet even a
quote from Pope Francis in twenty thirteen and Pope Pius
the tenth, I have a number of quotes from Pope's
saying it is not necessary to go to God for repentance.
Come to me. Look, that's completely antithesis of what Jesus
teaches in scripture. There was one other, and I'll quit
bucking Catholics over the head. I forgot what it was
already anyway. The one thing I wanted to say, when
Jesus goes down into Hell and he grabs a captivity captive,
ascends up through the gates of Hell and on Mount
Hormone to Heaven Ephesians four eight through ten. Before Jesus
led the captivity captive, before he is on high. He
first went into the lower parts of the earth and
led captivity captive. That is complete backup. That's Ephesians four
eight through ten, complete backup for the idea that Jesus
goes into Abraham's bosom, grabs the pre christ righteous dead,
and ascends to Heaven with them. So those are the
three reasons that Jesus came to the earth. And so
we've gone through all the major topics. There's a couple
of chapters we haven't really talked a lot about, and
we don't have to, but in the book we talked.
Chapter three is the multitude of Stars, the different types
of angels than Nakash, the cherby, and Seraphim, Malachim and
Anachem lizard gets chapter four as Lords of the Fallen.
We look at the enemies of God, Azazel, Samyaza, Satan,
demons in chapter four. Chapter six is Gateways of the Gods,
and that gets into the portals high places. I think
chapter six also gets in the UFOs. One of the
chapters gets in the UFOs. That's not chapter six, that's
Piercing the Veil. And then we have another chapter talking
about aliens and different things dealing with you aliens and portals.
Otherwise we've talked about most of it, almost all of them.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I want to leave some meat on the
bone that way they'll come grab your book and check
it out. And nothing too even like the news that's
going on now, the alien disclosure. The one guy come
on the Box News with Jesse Waters and said there's
four distinct races, and of course of them is a
Reptilian race.
Speaker 2: Kind of what we've been talking about tonight.
Speaker 3: So yeah, the most fascinating thing I've gotten out of it.
You'll know what I'm talking about, the star shaped UFO
And of course is he talk.
Speaker 2: About her and all that stuff.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the book was Ego chapter one. In chapter nine
talk about the wheel within a wheel, the eyeballs, the
angel that was shaped like that, and we see the
star UFO looks very much like a lot of people
have described the seraphim in fact, and a Paula Luna
congresswoman who is in the whatever the committees are called
for the UFO disclosure, she was on Joe Rogan. She said,
I can't you know, Joe Rogan is trying to ask
her what she has seen in those picture. I can't
I can't talk about it, but the day that those
were released last month, she posted a picture of a seraphim,
a biblical seraphim, and that was the same day that
star shaped UFO came out, So that, to me is
the most fascinating one of all of them that have
come out so far.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, well, Mike com Man, thank you so much
for coming hanging out, taking time away from your family
and all the stuff you got going on to come
talk with me and the listeners.
Speaker 2: Man, I appreciate it.
Speaker 1: I love hanging out with you and philosophizing with you
anytime that I get the chance to. Before we go. Man,
this case, somebody wasn't paying attention in the beginning. Go ahead,
and do you plugs let everybody know websites, YouTube channels,
anything like that that you'd like to plug and point
her direction to. And it's nothing's finalized yet, but you
are planning a conference in October in East Tennessee. So
that's something definitely worth letting the listeners know about. I
believe that's something that would definitely interest them.
Speaker 3: We are on Marginal Mysteries dot com. Marginal Mystery. I've
got my schedule, We've got a conference in Minnesota, near
Saint Paul, Minnesota. That's in September. We've got the October
conference and we've been doing seven to eight a year.
This year we've slowed down a little bit, so I
guess next year we'll do about four conferences. So check
out Marginal Mysteries dot com. See if I'm coming to
sitting near you. We were just in Wichita, Kansas. Had
a great conference out there, and so yeah, you can
get all my books again, my kids books, Girl In
Her Dinosaur, Boy In is Dinosaur, and Baby and Her Dinosaur.
These are you know, for young kids. They got full
color pictures and stuff for all the kids. And then
my books I've already written again. Mythologies Dakota will be
coming out in just a couple of months. There's a
sign up spot right there at the very top of
that page where you can be notified when Mythologies Dcoded
is available for purchase. In fact, you can watch the
trailer for Mythologies Decoded right there. Ton of fun making
those trailers. And then justin we'll have to get together,
maybe have a cigar, smoke some meat, Come on up
and hunt. I had a huge bear just the other
day in fact, this was yesterday my property back here,
so I'm probably it's not a bear hunting season, but
I do like to see the animals, so I might
go back there today and see what's going on. Turkey
Season's over, but I've had a ton of fun. Thank
you for having me again, and I'm looking forward to
finishing Epica be Saw and checking out your next book. Man.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, man, I had a blast, always had a
good time.
Speaker 2: That's funny, man. The bears they are on the move.
My girlfriend Amy, she actually just takes me. I think
it was two days ago. She's like, oh my.
Speaker 1: God, there was a huge bear that just walked across
the yard right in front of me. So I was like,
did you get your phone out? We actually went on
a hiking trip last week, yeah, I think it was,
and we see two huge black rat snakes and now
I'm talking of getting around our arms.
Speaker 3: Oh goodness. A few days ago, huge rat snake on
my portraite here. Huge for guess I've ever seen.
Speaker 1: Were falling out recorded and we've seen the one and
then there was another.
Speaker 2: One the tree right in the side of us, and
such you Hans got it too. It's crazy. I put
so much time and.
Speaker 1: Work into good reels and information be before conspiracy stuff,
and I'll barely get a couple of thousand views. But man,
you post a snake video Sunday.
Speaker 2: Got like a half gig in views.
Speaker 3: In forty eight hours. I'm like, yeah, I get up. Yeah, Man,
thank you so much, and.
Speaker 2: Thank you brother. I appreciate it. Hey, guys, be sure
to check out his stuff. Man, get his books.
Speaker 1: As you can see, well researched and he is reading,
studying and compiling gathering because of pieces, man, and those
are the best researchers in my opinion.
Speaker 2: But Man, be sure to check you out.
Speaker 1: I love you, guys, and hey, you just remember the
difference between the known and the unknown, my friends, that
is the journey. So good journey, guys.
Speaker 3: So you steal the fight, hurn it down. But to WM,
the ones still froze.
Speaker 4: In him by the last passed around.
Speaker 3: They call it dangerous. They can they compresy