1 00:00:00,360 --> 00:00:02,480 Speaker 1: Welcome back everybody. There's a lot of music in this 2 00:00:02,520 --> 00:00:04,839 episode today. If you want to purchase some of the songs, 3 00:00:04,879 --> 00:00:07,400 you can always get them on Apple Music or Google Play. 4 00:00:07,639 --> 00:00:10,160 But for your convenience, we have placed links in our 5 00:00:10,199 --> 00:00:12,480 show notes to the vinyl albums if you're into that 6 00:00:12,599 --> 00:00:14,439 kind of thing, so please check those out. 7 00:00:18,679 --> 00:00:21,960 Speaker 2: All right, everybody, thank you for listening. This is episode two. 8 00:00:22,199 --> 00:00:23,480 Speaker 3: Of our Van Helen Breakdown. 9 00:00:24,000 --> 00:00:26,160 Speaker 2: This soone's called The Rise and Fall of davidly Roth. 10 00:00:26,480 --> 00:00:28,160 Speaker 1: We want to thank you guys again so much for 11 00:00:28,280 --> 00:00:31,160 all of the positive feedback that you're giving us. We'd 12 00:00:31,199 --> 00:00:34,479 like to do another shout out to a positive review 13 00:00:34,520 --> 00:00:37,719 that we received on Apple Podcast. This one is from 14 00:00:37,880 --> 00:00:42,679 Jeff harmon five Stars. Is called Eighties Bliss. These guys 15 00:00:42,719 --> 00:00:46,039 start breaking down eighties music and movies, and I'm instantly 16 00:00:46,079 --> 00:00:49,159 taken back to a wonderful time in my life, full 17 00:00:49,200 --> 00:00:52,719 of fun, debate and laughs. Highly recommended. Man, I could 18 00:00:52,719 --> 00:00:55,200 not have picked a better endorsement of what we do 19 00:00:55,280 --> 00:00:56,960 and what we want to do. I'm really glad that 20 00:00:56,960 --> 00:00:58,000 we're taking you back, man. 21 00:00:58,240 --> 00:00:59,200 Speaker 2: Thanks Jeff, appreciate you. 22 00:00:59,280 --> 00:00:59,320 Speaker 4: Ma. 23 00:01:02,399 --> 00:01:04,719 Speaker 1: I also wanted to give a shout out to Dean Marino. 24 00:01:04,920 --> 00:01:08,799 He was our first follower on Twitter. Started talking to 25 00:01:08,879 --> 00:01:11,319 Dean last year when we were first working on the 26 00:01:11,400 --> 00:01:17,599 van Halen podcast. Dean is at dea NS sixty nine 27 00:01:17,760 --> 00:01:21,079 Z and he is the writer of the van Halen 28 00:01:21,159 --> 00:01:25,799 Letter and a Camaro fan. So cars van Halen all 29 00:01:25,879 --> 00:01:28,640 on this episode. Thanks so much for your support, Dean 30 00:01:28,719 --> 00:01:33,400 really appreciate it, and thank you for the conversations. 31 00:01:34,560 --> 00:01:35,200 Speaker 3: Oh real quick. 32 00:01:35,519 --> 00:01:37,439 Speaker 2: This is episode two of a three parter. 33 00:01:37,840 --> 00:01:40,640 Speaker 1: Right, so, if you haven't heard episode one of van 34 00:01:40,680 --> 00:01:43,079 Halen versus van Agar, you might want to push pause, 35 00:01:43,519 --> 00:01:46,159 go back to the previous episode and listen to the 36 00:01:46,159 --> 00:01:49,400 birth of the band. But without further ado, here is 37 00:01:49,640 --> 00:01:52,480 part two, the Rise and Fall of David Lee Roth. 38 00:02:04,560 --> 00:02:10,800 Speaker 5: Hello everybody, and welcome to the Surely Can't Be Serious podcast, 39 00:02:11,080 --> 00:02:14,879 discussing and debating the iconic and the forgotten of eighties 40 00:02:14,919 --> 00:02:16,080 and nineties pop. 41 00:02:15,879 --> 00:02:18,520 Speaker 3: Culture with your co hosts James D. 42 00:02:18,840 --> 00:02:20,960 Speaker 5: Graves and Jason Colban. 43 00:02:23,800 --> 00:02:26,400 Speaker 1: Welcome back for part two of the Shirley You Can't 44 00:02:26,439 --> 00:02:27,719 Be Serious Podcast. 45 00:02:28,039 --> 00:02:30,159 Speaker 2: Here's a quick recap of last week's. 46 00:02:29,840 --> 00:02:34,039 Speaker 1: Episode, nineteen sixty two. They get on a large boat 47 00:02:34,159 --> 00:02:36,840 and then after a few nights they had them get 48 00:02:36,919 --> 00:02:39,719 up in between sets, and then the next night they 49 00:02:39,759 --> 00:02:43,159 were sitting at the captain's table. Because the star Little 50 00:02:43,159 --> 00:02:46,919 Boys won everyone's hearts, and so they became the star 51 00:02:46,960 --> 00:02:49,039 of the show. I think at that point the sea 52 00:02:49,199 --> 00:02:52,719 was planted and they were ready to be stage musicians 53 00:02:52,719 --> 00:02:53,639 for the rest of their lives. 54 00:02:53,680 --> 00:02:55,360 Speaker 2: It doesn't take very long to figure out there are 55 00:02:55,360 --> 00:02:57,919 benefits to being the performance. 56 00:02:57,879 --> 00:03:01,120 Speaker 1: And so they would pay somebody ten bucks per show 57 00:03:01,199 --> 00:03:03,000 to go rent the system. And one of the guys 58 00:03:03,000 --> 00:03:04,120 they were runting from. 59 00:03:04,039 --> 00:03:07,000 Speaker 3: Was this kid named Davie Ross, kid named David. 60 00:03:06,840 --> 00:03:10,960 Speaker 1: Lee Roth, and so after a while, Alex just said, 61 00:03:11,039 --> 00:03:13,800 you know, we need a lead singer, and we need 62 00:03:13,840 --> 00:03:16,639 his pa system. Might as well get two birds with 63 00:03:16,680 --> 00:03:18,840 one stone here and just have him join the band 64 00:03:18,840 --> 00:03:19,759 and be her lead singer. 65 00:03:19,879 --> 00:03:23,960 Speaker 2: In a matter of ten dollars, they land one of 66 00:03:24,000 --> 00:03:26,719 the greatest frontmen of any rock band of all time. 67 00:03:26,919 --> 00:03:28,919 Speaker 1: And then David Lee Roth was like, you know what 68 00:03:29,280 --> 00:03:32,400 Van Halen sounds cool and it's your name. Let's make 69 00:03:32,439 --> 00:03:33,000 the band name. 70 00:03:33,039 --> 00:03:34,319 Speaker 3: That was Daily Ross's idea. 71 00:03:34,439 --> 00:03:37,879 Speaker 1: Absolutely yeah. Once they had gained that big following, they 72 00:03:37,919 --> 00:03:40,560 finally landed a gig as kind of the house band 73 00:03:40,719 --> 00:03:42,439 for a place called Gazari's. 74 00:03:42,560 --> 00:03:44,199 Speaker 3: That's right, that's in Holy. 75 00:03:44,319 --> 00:03:47,919 Speaker 1: And Oddly, from time to time Bill Gazari would come 76 00:03:48,000 --> 00:03:52,080 up to David and say, hey, Van, you guys did 77 00:03:52,560 --> 00:03:56,919 last night? Were a couple extra bucks. I guess he 78 00:03:56,960 --> 00:04:00,240 thought he was like Van Morrison or something. So he 79 00:04:00,319 --> 00:04:03,000 had a special guitar. Yeah, absolutely had a special guitar. 80 00:04:03,039 --> 00:04:05,960 So here's something, here's something that many people don't know 81 00:04:06,000 --> 00:04:10,639 about Eddie, which is just absolutely amazing. The man was 82 00:04:10,800 --> 00:04:13,960 an inventor. He wasn't. He didn't just redefine the way 83 00:04:14,000 --> 00:04:17,680 that you played the guitar. He created his own guitar. 84 00:04:19,000 --> 00:04:21,720 Gene Simmons said, I don't think you guys should call 85 00:04:21,720 --> 00:04:22,639 yourselves in Halen. 86 00:04:22,800 --> 00:04:24,360 Speaker 2: I think you guys ought to change your name to 87 00:04:24,560 --> 00:04:25,759 Daddy long Legs. 88 00:04:25,879 --> 00:04:29,040 Speaker 1: Which who knows, maybe that would have worked. 89 00:04:30,079 --> 00:04:31,639 Speaker 3: I don't think so. No, it's not the same b 90 00:04:31,800 --> 00:04:33,000 and they do the right thing. 91 00:04:33,360 --> 00:04:36,279 Speaker 2: When Gene Simmons tells you to do something after he 92 00:04:36,319 --> 00:04:39,199 had branded kiss, there's gonna be a big temptation to change. 93 00:04:39,279 --> 00:04:41,079 Speaker 1: Yeah, how do you not how do I mean if 94 00:04:41,160 --> 00:04:43,560 you're if you're with that iconic figure, how do you 95 00:04:43,639 --> 00:04:46,160 not go? Yeah, that sounds great. Whatever you say, Gene, 96 00:04:46,560 --> 00:04:47,000 you're the man. 97 00:04:47,120 --> 00:04:49,279 Speaker 2: You're worth a bazillion dollars, mister Simmons, I'll do whatever 98 00:04:49,319 --> 00:04:50,959 you say, right, But they say. 99 00:04:50,800 --> 00:04:53,839 Speaker 1: No, we're going to pick up where we left off 100 00:04:53,959 --> 00:04:57,839 last time. We had covered the first two singles off 101 00:04:58,000 --> 00:05:00,399 of Van Halen One Awesome. 102 00:05:00,439 --> 00:05:02,680 Speaker 2: This is going to be the rise and fall of Daily. 103 00:05:02,519 --> 00:05:06,199 Speaker 1: Roth and as always, please hit the subscribe button now 104 00:05:06,480 --> 00:05:08,800 so that you never miss an episode of the Surely 105 00:05:08,879 --> 00:05:10,560 you Can't Be Serious podcast. 106 00:05:11,360 --> 00:05:13,720 Speaker 3: So then where are we now? The third single? 107 00:05:14,079 --> 00:05:18,360 Speaker 1: Yes, so yeah. The third single is Ain't Talking About Love. 108 00:05:18,720 --> 00:05:21,560 This is one of those few songs that they did 109 00:05:21,600 --> 00:05:24,040 with Sammy after Sammy joined the band, one of the 110 00:05:24,040 --> 00:05:26,720 few Wroth songs that made it over. And it was 111 00:05:26,759 --> 00:05:29,680 originally supposed to be a punk parody from Eddie, but 112 00:05:29,920 --> 00:05:31,839 he just said, well, it just didn't ever really sound 113 00:05:31,839 --> 00:05:34,040 like punk. I mean, it's be punk. It's only two chords, 114 00:05:34,439 --> 00:05:36,319 it's a minor and it's g It's one I was 115 00:05:36,360 --> 00:05:37,040 able to pick up. 116 00:05:38,120 --> 00:05:41,160 Speaker 2: It's one of my favorite davidly Roth fan Allen songs. 117 00:05:41,160 --> 00:05:41,680 Speaker 3: It's so good. 118 00:05:41,839 --> 00:05:44,240 Speaker 1: But he starts off that song and he's you can 119 00:05:44,279 --> 00:05:45,800 listen to the beginning we'll listen to the beginning of 120 00:05:45,839 --> 00:06:08,240 it real quick. So you hear how the strings sound 121 00:06:08,279 --> 00:06:11,079 different there, They sound muffled, right. It's a technique called 122 00:06:11,240 --> 00:06:13,600 muting where with your right hand you're holding the pick, 123 00:06:13,720 --> 00:06:15,800 but you put your palm against the bottom part of 124 00:06:15,839 --> 00:06:18,040 the strings. You don't press them down so much that 125 00:06:18,079 --> 00:06:20,199 there's no sound at all, but you press it just 126 00:06:20,319 --> 00:06:23,560 enough to mute the strings. And that's what you're doing. 127 00:06:23,839 --> 00:06:24,800 Speaker 3: Cool, okay, And. 128 00:06:24,720 --> 00:06:27,759 Speaker 1: So that's that cool sound. And nobody's going to say 129 00:06:27,759 --> 00:06:31,560 that these songs were amazing. Lyrics wise, David Lee Roth 130 00:06:31,600 --> 00:06:33,759 did pretty much all the lyrics, and I think he'll 131 00:06:33,759 --> 00:06:37,279 readily admit there's no depth. There's no depth. 132 00:06:37,959 --> 00:06:39,399 Speaker 3: From some silliness. 133 00:06:39,439 --> 00:06:42,199 Speaker 1: And so tell me what you remember what you learned 134 00:06:42,199 --> 00:06:45,000 about David and his upbringing as a child. 135 00:06:45,879 --> 00:06:50,399 Speaker 2: So Dave was born into a family of a successful 136 00:06:50,399 --> 00:06:53,040 eye surgeon. We already kind of talked about that while 137 00:06:53,120 --> 00:06:56,120 his dad was bringing them up. His uncle, I think, 138 00:06:56,199 --> 00:06:58,279 is a well known doctor as well, and there's kind 139 00:06:58,279 --> 00:07:01,279 of medical family and they expected Dave to kind of 140 00:07:01,279 --> 00:07:04,199 fall in their footsteps. But Day was known as sort 141 00:07:04,199 --> 00:07:09,800 of the troublemaker, the high hyper energy troublemaking kid, but 142 00:07:11,120 --> 00:07:12,519 not medical school material. 143 00:07:12,920 --> 00:07:13,120 Speaker 4: Right. 144 00:07:13,920 --> 00:07:16,720 Speaker 1: If anybody can say anything about David Lee Roth's, he's 145 00:07:16,720 --> 00:07:19,839 going to suck the marrow out of life. That's his goal. Right. 146 00:07:20,639 --> 00:07:23,600 Speaker 2: He definitely party follows him around. 147 00:07:23,279 --> 00:07:23,920 Speaker 3: That's for sure. 148 00:07:24,160 --> 00:07:27,600 Speaker 1: So his his motto was, it doesn't matter whether you 149 00:07:27,639 --> 00:07:31,279 win or lose, it's just how good you look. And 150 00:07:31,480 --> 00:07:34,040 so I can't think of for really a more shallow 151 00:07:34,079 --> 00:07:36,920 statement than that, but that was just like that's the 152 00:07:37,439 --> 00:07:39,639 kind of mantra of his life. And then there but 153 00:07:39,959 --> 00:07:42,519 just you know, to kind of psychoanalyze maybe a little 154 00:07:42,519 --> 00:07:44,879 too much. If you listen to Ain't talking about love, 155 00:07:45,000 --> 00:07:47,480 it says, I've been to the edge, I've stood and 156 00:07:47,600 --> 00:07:50,120 looked down. I've lost a lot of friends there, baby, 157 00:07:50,519 --> 00:07:52,879 I ain't got no time to mess around. I think 158 00:07:52,920 --> 00:07:55,920 he probably had a darker side that was related to 159 00:07:56,079 --> 00:08:01,120 thinking deeply that he actively decided to avoid. You listen 160 00:08:01,199 --> 00:08:04,160 to him talking. You know, he's an intelligent guy. He's 161 00:08:04,519 --> 00:08:07,800 scattered and obviously manic. 162 00:08:08,240 --> 00:08:10,199 Speaker 3: He's man he's way way manic. 163 00:08:10,519 --> 00:08:13,319 Speaker 1: But there's definitely a high degree of intelligence that's going 164 00:08:13,360 --> 00:08:16,920 on there. But he I think he has a fear 165 00:08:17,000 --> 00:08:17,480 of the deep. 166 00:08:18,439 --> 00:08:20,360 Speaker 2: Okay, so are we done? With you talking about love, 167 00:08:20,879 --> 00:08:24,480 I'm done with How about the next song, Jamie's Crying? 168 00:08:39,960 --> 00:08:52,320 Speaker 4: She saw was now. 169 00:09:04,279 --> 00:09:08,879 Speaker 1: So this song is about a girl who she decides 170 00:09:08,960 --> 00:09:13,759 that she's wanting more than just physical love. She wants real, 171 00:09:13,840 --> 00:09:18,159 true love. And so you can tell from the timber. 172 00:09:17,879 --> 00:09:20,120 Speaker 3: Of the band Dave lets her down easy. I'm sure. 173 00:09:20,200 --> 00:09:23,440 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it's great, see you later. I'll go down 174 00:09:23,480 --> 00:09:23,960 on the block. 175 00:09:25,240 --> 00:09:27,840 Speaker 2: The interesting thing to me about this song, Okay, Jamie's 176 00:09:27,840 --> 00:09:32,320 Crying nineteen seventy eight, we get a taste of this again, 177 00:09:33,039 --> 00:09:35,879 very successful song in nineteen eighty nine. May have heard 178 00:09:35,879 --> 00:09:45,279 of it. May surprise you. Tonloaks, wild Thing, Let's do it. 179 00:09:56,679 --> 00:10:00,000 Speaker 1: On that debut album, they had a lot of success. 180 00:10:00,320 --> 00:10:03,480 They didn't have any number ones, but it was a 181 00:10:03,519 --> 00:10:06,759 platinum album for them. They came back from the tour 182 00:10:07,360 --> 00:10:11,000 and they were exhausted. Eleven solid months on tour and 183 00:10:11,200 --> 00:10:11,840 they came back. 184 00:10:11,879 --> 00:10:12,159 Speaker 3: Story. 185 00:10:12,240 --> 00:10:14,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, when they come back from tour in eleven months 186 00:10:14,600 --> 00:10:17,759 of killing it every night, hard work, eleven straight months 187 00:10:17,759 --> 00:10:21,320 supporting the album, they get back. The manager of the 188 00:10:21,360 --> 00:10:24,519 record company says, great job. You guys did awesome. You 189 00:10:24,559 --> 00:10:26,440 lost three million dollars in a new record. 190 00:10:28,879 --> 00:10:32,519 Speaker 3: What Squeezebeak. 191 00:10:34,720 --> 00:10:36,559 Speaker 1: They've got another album to come out with, and before 192 00:10:36,600 --> 00:10:39,279 we leave Van Halen One, we shouldn't forget that there 193 00:10:39,279 --> 00:10:41,480 are many other good songs on there, and this is 194 00:10:41,519 --> 00:10:44,440 one of those few albums that exists in history that 195 00:10:44,600 --> 00:10:46,879 is good from beginning to end. There are no bad songs, 196 00:10:46,919 --> 00:10:49,480 there are no throwaway tracks. Feel Your Love Tonight is 197 00:10:49,480 --> 00:10:50,759 one that's on there that we didn't mention. 198 00:10:50,879 --> 00:10:53,440 Speaker 2: That's right, and then right album front to back, top 199 00:10:53,480 --> 00:10:56,120 to bottom, one of my favorites that we don't. It 200 00:10:56,159 --> 00:10:58,159 kind of gets overlooked, but it gets some radio plays 201 00:10:58,200 --> 00:10:58,879 called ice Cream Man. 202 00:11:01,840 --> 00:11:03,919 Speaker 1: I love ice Cream Man. It was the cover of 203 00:11:03,919 --> 00:11:07,159 an old blues song and it's the only song maybe 204 00:11:07,360 --> 00:11:09,519 maybe on any of the albums. I haven't really researched 205 00:11:09,559 --> 00:11:11,399 it out, but definitely on this album. It's the only 206 00:11:11,440 --> 00:11:13,919 one that Dave is playing some guitar on. He's the 207 00:11:13,919 --> 00:11:14,799 one for the I. 208 00:11:14,720 --> 00:11:17,000 Speaker 2: Don't even know Dave could play the guitar well. 209 00:11:17,600 --> 00:11:19,879 Speaker 1: The song part that he's playing is not terrible. Comm 210 00:11:21,399 --> 00:11:23,840 you'd probably play it with only two fingers, you know. 211 00:11:24,039 --> 00:11:25,480 Speaker 3: Have you ever seen Dave hold a guitar? 212 00:11:25,879 --> 00:11:29,679 Speaker 1: No, I've never in my life seen it, but wisely. 213 00:11:29,759 --> 00:11:32,519 You know, Dave said when he first saw them on stage, 214 00:11:32,559 --> 00:11:35,320 when he before he had joined the band, he saw 215 00:11:36,480 --> 00:11:39,840 Eddie play and he said, what he does with his hands, 216 00:11:40,200 --> 00:11:41,919 I want to do with my feet and my voice. 217 00:11:42,759 --> 00:11:44,919 He knew his place, he knew what he needed to do, 218 00:11:44,960 --> 00:11:47,279 and he knew where his skill sets. No your limitations, 219 00:11:47,320 --> 00:11:50,919 absolutely so you had ice Cream man, you had feel 220 00:11:50,919 --> 00:11:53,240 your Love. We have several other great songs on the album, 221 00:11:53,240 --> 00:11:55,080 but we obviously don't have time to go through all 222 00:11:55,159 --> 00:11:58,759 of those. After that they come back, Warner Brothers said 223 00:11:58,759 --> 00:12:00,440 we need a new album, and the album that comes 224 00:12:00,440 --> 00:12:04,200 out is van Halen too. Several great songs on that album. 225 00:12:04,320 --> 00:12:08,440 A couple of my favorites are Beautiful Girls. Their big 226 00:12:08,519 --> 00:12:11,279 big hit was Dance the Night Away. 227 00:12:11,279 --> 00:12:18,600 Speaker 3: It's the night great song, dance. 228 00:12:26,639 --> 00:12:30,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, and it was again you're seeing this this bringing 229 00:12:31,000 --> 00:12:34,279 what people wanted from disco into rock and roll right. 230 00:12:34,559 --> 00:12:39,600 Dance the Night Away is Dave obviously Dave's influence and 231 00:12:40,120 --> 00:12:44,840 making something showy and glamorous with the hard rock and 232 00:12:44,960 --> 00:12:45,720 rock behind it. 233 00:12:46,960 --> 00:12:50,519 Speaker 2: Also, another notable song I think is the opening one, 234 00:12:50,840 --> 00:12:54,519 You're No Good. It's Van Halen's version of the Linda ronstance. 235 00:12:56,399 --> 00:12:58,559 Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know that I've actually heard that version. 236 00:12:58,799 --> 00:13:00,960 Let's I want to listen to. We'll play a example 237 00:13:01,039 --> 00:13:01,799 of that real quest. 238 00:13:01,639 --> 00:13:19,480 Speaker 4: But now. 239 00:13:13,519 --> 00:13:32,000 Speaker 1: Fat Okay, Well, I gotta say honestly, that was one 240 00:13:32,000 --> 00:13:34,440 of the rare circumstances where they took somebody's song and 241 00:13:34,440 --> 00:13:35,480 I don't think they made it better. 242 00:13:35,600 --> 00:13:37,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't. I didn't like it that much. 243 00:13:37,200 --> 00:13:39,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, now I think Linda Ron said I mean number one, 244 00:13:39,840 --> 00:13:41,120 she's hot back then. 245 00:13:41,039 --> 00:13:41,960 Speaker 3: And she was hot. 246 00:13:42,000 --> 00:13:45,000 Speaker 1: She got a great voice, beautiful voice. Usually had Eagles backing, 247 00:13:45,320 --> 00:13:47,759 think too, ye was I wonderfully backed her on that song. 248 00:13:47,799 --> 00:13:49,000 I can't remember. I don't know. 249 00:13:49,559 --> 00:13:53,039 Speaker 2: This isn't crazy. I really don't understand it. But they 250 00:13:53,039 --> 00:13:56,120 started recording December tenth, nineteen seventy eight. They were finished 251 00:13:56,159 --> 00:13:59,159 recording this album December sixteenth, nineteen seventy eight. 252 00:13:59,159 --> 00:13:59,879 Speaker 3: That's six days. 253 00:14:00,080 --> 00:14:00,600 Speaker 1: Holy crap. 254 00:14:00,679 --> 00:14:02,200 Speaker 3: I guess they wanted to get it in before Christmas. 255 00:14:02,200 --> 00:14:02,799 They had to do some. 256 00:14:02,679 --> 00:14:03,399 Speaker 1: Shopping or something. 257 00:14:03,399 --> 00:14:04,120 Speaker 3: I yeah. 258 00:14:04,279 --> 00:14:07,039 Speaker 2: It was released March twenty third, nineteen seventy nine. 259 00:14:07,080 --> 00:14:10,600 Speaker 1: Okay, so they released Van Halen one in January of 260 00:14:10,639 --> 00:14:15,200 seventy eight. They released Van Halen two in March of 261 00:14:15,279 --> 00:14:16,360 seventy nine. 262 00:14:16,200 --> 00:14:18,799 Speaker 2: So they tour and then the next album they go 263 00:14:18,840 --> 00:14:21,240 in the studio is Women and Children first, that comes 264 00:14:21,240 --> 00:14:22,879 out in nineteen eighty. 265 00:14:23,200 --> 00:14:25,480 Speaker 1: The big song that I remember from that album is 266 00:14:25,519 --> 00:14:28,120 Everybody Wants Some, which is still getting record play today. 267 00:14:28,320 --> 00:14:29,879 I love it's still a great song. 268 00:14:30,240 --> 00:14:32,039 Speaker 2: It is a great song. And for those of you 269 00:14:32,080 --> 00:14:34,960 who maybe I don't know if you're like me, but 270 00:14:35,480 --> 00:14:38,120 the movie Better Off Dead with John Cusack, there's a 271 00:14:38,159 --> 00:14:43,480 big sort of dancing Hamburger animation thing in the middle 272 00:14:43,639 --> 00:14:45,240 that is set to Everybody Wants Some. 273 00:14:45,360 --> 00:14:47,120 Speaker 3: And that's how I learned that song. 274 00:14:58,679 --> 00:15:01,799 Speaker 1: That's a weird scene. It is a strange, strange scene. 275 00:15:01,879 --> 00:15:04,080 Speaker 3: Again, a great movie. We need to talk about that movie. 276 00:15:03,879 --> 00:15:07,320 Speaker 1: Sometimes, all right, So then anything else to say about 277 00:15:07,320 --> 00:15:08,200 Women and Children. 278 00:15:08,159 --> 00:15:12,159 Speaker 3: Only on one another? You know. Another big song was 279 00:15:12,200 --> 00:15:13,240 and the credle Wile Rock. 280 00:15:17,799 --> 00:15:21,679 Speaker 1: It's the credible rock breach, number fifty five on the 281 00:15:22,840 --> 00:15:26,399 Hot one hundred. At this point, there's still really not 282 00:15:26,440 --> 00:15:28,840 seeing very many rock songs. They are still one of 283 00:15:28,879 --> 00:15:31,320 the few bands that you're that you're seeing on them. 284 00:15:32,159 --> 00:15:34,919 Speaker 2: Nineteen eighty is the time when sort of Kenny Rogers 285 00:15:34,960 --> 00:15:39,879 and sort of pop country was big on the charts. 286 00:15:40,399 --> 00:15:46,960 Speaker 1: I'm Yourn and Shining Armor and I Love You. Sure 287 00:15:47,080 --> 00:15:51,120 you had southern rock doing well as well, but it 288 00:15:51,240 --> 00:15:54,279 just still wasn't the hard rock other than Van Halen. 289 00:15:54,360 --> 00:15:56,080 Speaker 3: So after this album comes out, they go on a 290 00:15:56,120 --> 00:15:57,440 tour yep. So it's like. 291 00:15:57,480 --> 00:16:00,840 Speaker 1: Album tour, album tour, album tour, working hard like they 292 00:16:00,840 --> 00:16:02,200 did when before they were famous. 293 00:16:02,320 --> 00:16:05,080 Speaker 2: Okay, and this whole time Eddie's been working on material. 294 00:16:06,080 --> 00:16:08,080 He wants to come up with a solo album, and 295 00:16:08,120 --> 00:16:10,679 that's what Fair Warning was actually intended to be, was 296 00:16:10,720 --> 00:16:14,320 an Eddie van Halen solo album. And that's why it's 297 00:16:14,360 --> 00:16:17,519 a little more darker, a little more guitar heavy. 298 00:16:17,759 --> 00:16:18,360 Speaker 1: It's creepy. 299 00:16:19,519 --> 00:16:20,519 Speaker 3: Not a fan, it's not. 300 00:16:20,960 --> 00:16:23,120 Speaker 1: I'm not a fan of Unchained is great, don't be wrong. 301 00:16:23,159 --> 00:16:26,279 I love Unchained. It's a great song, but the majority 302 00:16:26,320 --> 00:16:28,360 of the album is not. It's not to my taste. 303 00:16:28,480 --> 00:16:30,320 And I'm not saying it's a bad album. It's and 304 00:16:30,559 --> 00:16:32,480 there are tons of diehard fans that will love it, 305 00:16:32,519 --> 00:16:35,320 but it's just not my It wasn't my favorite me either. 306 00:16:35,559 --> 00:16:37,399 Speaker 3: Unchained is phenomenal. 307 00:16:52,879 --> 00:16:55,639 Speaker 1: Yeah, that song, that's the that's the bright Shining Star, 308 00:16:55,720 --> 00:16:57,039 on that album for sure, without match. 309 00:16:57,840 --> 00:16:59,480 Speaker 2: A lot of people don't realize, but at this time 310 00:16:59,519 --> 00:17:02,679 in nineteen this is when we have the first major 311 00:17:02,759 --> 00:17:06,119 tension between Eddie and Dave. Dave is wanting to be 312 00:17:06,119 --> 00:17:09,720 more pop. Eddie wants to be more rock. That's crazy 313 00:17:09,720 --> 00:17:13,400 because they flip sides later on absolutely flip sides. So 314 00:17:13,519 --> 00:17:15,400 Dave wants to be more pop, Eddie wants to be 315 00:17:15,440 --> 00:17:19,640 more rock, and everybody's getting tired of Dave's ego I think, 316 00:17:19,839 --> 00:17:21,839 and Eddie can be a pain in the butt too, 317 00:17:21,839 --> 00:17:23,599 and you couple him with Alex and. 318 00:17:23,880 --> 00:17:26,400 Speaker 1: The thing about people who are able to achieve this 319 00:17:26,480 --> 00:17:29,599 type of success in these type of fields is that 320 00:17:29,680 --> 00:17:32,480 they have to be kind of full of themselves. They 321 00:17:32,480 --> 00:17:35,000 have to be extremely confident, which is what led them 322 00:17:35,000 --> 00:17:38,759 to each other. I mean, Dave saw Eddie's ability and 323 00:17:38,799 --> 00:17:42,880 confidence on the stage. They saw Dave's swagger and thought 324 00:17:42,960 --> 00:17:44,960 this will be something that fits for what we want. 325 00:17:45,440 --> 00:17:49,359 And so obviously it works very very well. But those 326 00:17:49,440 --> 00:17:51,319 tensions will eventually come to a head. 327 00:17:51,319 --> 00:17:54,279 Speaker 2: Okay, So moving on past nineteen eighty one, Past Fair Warning, 328 00:17:54,319 --> 00:17:56,200 which to me, the only thing worth talking about on 329 00:17:56,200 --> 00:17:59,200 that album is unchained, Right, you go into nineteen eighty two, 330 00:17:59,319 --> 00:18:02,720 they come up with this idea that, hey, we need 331 00:18:02,759 --> 00:18:05,319 to take some time off, but we want to stay relevant, 332 00:18:05,599 --> 00:18:08,079 we want to stay out front. Let's I got an idea. 333 00:18:08,160 --> 00:18:10,720 Let's just do a cover song, put it out there, 334 00:18:10,759 --> 00:18:13,319 we'll make a video for it, and we'll stay in 335 00:18:13,319 --> 00:18:13,920 front of people. 336 00:18:14,559 --> 00:18:15,759 Speaker 3: And so Dave. 337 00:18:15,599 --> 00:18:17,720 Speaker 2: Comes up the idea and he says, let's do Dancing 338 00:18:17,799 --> 00:18:19,319 in the street. 339 00:18:18,920 --> 00:18:21,920 Speaker 1: Right, And Eddie says, no, I don't think that's a 340 00:18:21,920 --> 00:18:23,680 good one. Let's do pretty Woman. 341 00:18:23,839 --> 00:18:25,319 Speaker 3: And so they say, okay, let's do it. 342 00:18:25,680 --> 00:18:28,200 Speaker 2: And they come up with it and it's great and 343 00:18:28,240 --> 00:18:30,599 they put it out and it's this massive hit. 344 00:18:30,720 --> 00:18:34,559 Speaker 1: Number twelve, reach number twelve, which, again, knowing that what 345 00:18:34,599 --> 00:18:37,240 we know, what we've said so far, a hard rock 346 00:18:37,680 --> 00:18:40,000 version of pretty Woman getting that high on the church 347 00:18:40,319 --> 00:18:44,039 is amazing, but it locks them into another issue. 348 00:18:44,160 --> 00:18:46,200 Speaker 2: That's right, and the record company says, you've got this 349 00:18:46,279 --> 00:18:48,559 hit song, but we don't have an album. We've got 350 00:18:48,559 --> 00:18:50,079 to have an album. You guys got to get back 351 00:18:50,079 --> 00:18:53,000 in the studio and produce an album to go with 352 00:18:53,039 --> 00:18:55,400 this hit song. Right, which, before we get into that, 353 00:18:55,640 --> 00:18:57,839 have you ever watched the video for Pretty Women? 354 00:18:58,039 --> 00:18:58,119 Speaker 4: No? 355 00:18:58,400 --> 00:19:02,200 Speaker 2: It is the weird is okay, So we know music 356 00:19:02,279 --> 00:19:06,039 videos at nineteen eighty two are weird and they're cheap, 357 00:19:06,119 --> 00:19:07,000 and they're all these things. 358 00:19:07,240 --> 00:19:09,880 Speaker 1: Right. Nineteen eighty one, by the way, just for a reminder, 359 00:19:09,960 --> 00:19:13,119 is when MTV first came out. Late eighty one August 360 00:19:13,160 --> 00:19:25,400 of eighty one is when MTV came out, right, And 361 00:19:25,480 --> 00:19:28,960 so in eighty two the music video there, there's less 362 00:19:28,960 --> 00:19:29,839 than three hundred. 363 00:19:29,599 --> 00:19:30,599 Speaker 3: Music videos out there. 364 00:19:31,079 --> 00:19:34,799 Speaker 2: So this music video Pretty Woman, if you watch it, 365 00:19:36,000 --> 00:19:38,960 you have these midgets who are sexually assaulting this woman 366 00:19:39,000 --> 00:19:40,039 who is tied up. 367 00:19:48,519 --> 00:19:49,400 Speaker 3: They are groping her. 368 00:19:49,519 --> 00:19:50,000 Speaker 1: Oh my god. 369 00:19:50,039 --> 00:19:53,680 Speaker 2: Okay, And so Michael Anthony gets a phone call, but 370 00:19:53,720 --> 00:19:57,640 he's a samurai, and then he calls his friend jungle 371 00:19:57,680 --> 00:19:59,079 boy Alex van Halen. 372 00:19:59,160 --> 00:20:01,440 Speaker 3: He's got bone and he's like a caveman. 373 00:20:02,200 --> 00:20:06,720 Speaker 2: So he calls his friend gunslinger Eddie van Halen, who 374 00:20:06,759 --> 00:20:09,119 then calls his friend David. 375 00:20:08,880 --> 00:20:11,119 Speaker 3: Lee Roth, who is dressed like George Washington. 376 00:20:12,000 --> 00:20:14,720 Speaker 1: Okay, now, actually I can I can kind of remember 377 00:20:14,759 --> 00:20:17,759 that part because he had a very adam and look 378 00:20:17,839 --> 00:20:21,880 about him. I'm thinking that I just have blocked out 379 00:20:21,880 --> 00:20:24,480 the midget problem. I don't think that's a PC anymore 380 00:20:24,559 --> 00:20:27,359 little people. That he's being attacked by the little people. 381 00:20:27,799 --> 00:20:31,240 Speaker 2: This woman is being assaulted by little people. 382 00:20:32,759 --> 00:20:34,680 Speaker 3: So yeah, back to the album. 383 00:20:35,200 --> 00:20:37,440 Speaker 2: Five of the twelve songs are covers. 384 00:20:37,319 --> 00:20:41,559 Speaker 1: And the band they're not getting along, and they really 385 00:20:41,599 --> 00:20:44,039 kind of consider this Dave's album because they would never 386 00:20:44,079 --> 00:20:46,079 have done this many covers on an album. 387 00:20:46,079 --> 00:20:51,039 Speaker 2: That's right, And this is the Van Halen Brothers very 388 00:20:51,079 --> 00:20:53,359 public least favorite album. 389 00:20:53,519 --> 00:20:55,759 Speaker 1: It's the least favorite album of the Roth albums for 390 00:20:55,880 --> 00:20:59,240 most folks. But let's keep in mind they set a 391 00:20:59,319 --> 00:21:02,319 world record at this point in their career, which kind 392 00:21:02,319 --> 00:21:04,759 of indicates it doesn't really matter that they're not doing 393 00:21:04,839 --> 00:21:07,200 what they feel is their best work. Just after their 394 00:21:07,200 --> 00:21:09,319 tour for this, they decide they got to get away 395 00:21:09,319 --> 00:21:13,079 from each other. Dave goes with their head of security 396 00:21:13,599 --> 00:21:18,160 and they travel down to the Amazon. Now, you know, 397 00:21:18,200 --> 00:21:19,680 the rest of the guys are married. They're going to 398 00:21:19,759 --> 00:21:22,400 go be with their wives and family. But Dave and 399 00:21:22,799 --> 00:21:26,359 a handful of security guys are down there on a 400 00:21:26,400 --> 00:21:30,440 boat in the Amazon in the jungle. Interestingly, this guy, 401 00:21:30,559 --> 00:21:33,079 the security guard, who is their head of security and 402 00:21:33,200 --> 00:21:36,400 looked like a total kick butt guy, said that he 403 00:21:36,519 --> 00:21:38,720 you know, when they put him in charge of security. 404 00:21:38,759 --> 00:21:40,599 The first thing that Dave said to him when he 405 00:21:40,680 --> 00:21:44,559 came in is do you have a problem with drugging 406 00:21:44,599 --> 00:21:48,920 and drinking? No, he goes, do you have a problem 407 00:21:48,920 --> 00:21:51,799 with underage girls running around and have a fun And 408 00:21:51,839 --> 00:21:55,519 he goes no, And he goes can you roller skate? 409 00:21:56,400 --> 00:22:00,359 And the guy says no, what I can learn? And 410 00:22:00,440 --> 00:22:04,160 so he was their head of security, and he developed 411 00:22:04,160 --> 00:22:05,640 a system where if there was going to be a 412 00:22:05,680 --> 00:22:08,759 problem in the crowd, they had sectors and zones of 413 00:22:08,839 --> 00:22:11,200 the crowd. They were like a problem in sector five, 414 00:22:11,359 --> 00:22:14,920 row seven, man in the black t shirt. Well, Dave 415 00:22:15,240 --> 00:22:18,680 very quickly caught onto this mapping concept, and so even 416 00:22:18,720 --> 00:22:21,000 in the middle of the show, he would be bop 417 00:22:21,119 --> 00:22:23,599 himself over to one of the security guards and go okay, 418 00:22:23,880 --> 00:22:30,039 Sector fifteen, Row three, red shirt, blonde giver backstage pass 419 00:22:30,200 --> 00:22:38,279 YEP one ring and so all of this there was 420 00:22:38,279 --> 00:22:40,680 a system like all of the security guards would hand 421 00:22:40,680 --> 00:22:43,519 out the backstage passes for Dave and maybe for the 422 00:22:43,559 --> 00:22:46,720 other guys, but really for Dave, and they would sign 423 00:22:46,839 --> 00:22:49,960 their name to the back of the pass. And if 424 00:22:50,079 --> 00:22:53,680 Dave had a deep and meaningful conversation with one of 425 00:22:53,720 --> 00:22:56,599 these ladies that had the badge, the guy who had 426 00:22:56,599 --> 00:22:59,480 the name on the back of the backstage pass, he 427 00:22:59,519 --> 00:23:00,640 got a little. 428 00:23:00,200 --> 00:23:02,240 Speaker 2: Extra money, got the nice tips, that's right. 429 00:23:02,400 --> 00:23:04,839 Speaker 1: And if it was really deep and really long, he. 430 00:23:04,920 --> 00:23:07,440 Speaker 2: Got a lot of extra money, that's right. Centivizing the help, 431 00:23:07,480 --> 00:23:07,799 I mean. 432 00:23:07,720 --> 00:23:10,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, exactly. You gotta know where your priorities are. 433 00:23:11,480 --> 00:23:12,720 Use the system that's in place. 434 00:23:13,519 --> 00:23:14,519 Speaker 3: So Dave in the jungle. 435 00:23:14,680 --> 00:23:16,880 Speaker 1: So Dave's in the jungle with the security guard. They 436 00:23:17,240 --> 00:23:19,680 they end up in one port. They call back to 437 00:23:19,720 --> 00:23:22,400 that to the US to talk to people, and they're like, hey, 438 00:23:22,400 --> 00:23:25,559 you guys got to get back. We have been asked 439 00:23:25,559 --> 00:23:29,559 to do the US Festival. And so the US Festival 440 00:23:29,640 --> 00:23:31,880 was something that had been put together the year before 441 00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:33,599 by Steve Wozniak. 442 00:23:33,799 --> 00:23:36,319 Speaker 3: Thea was of Apple computer fame. 443 00:23:36,319 --> 00:23:40,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, co founder of Apple with Steve jobs. He was 444 00:23:40,599 --> 00:23:44,279 disenfranchised with the seventies, which had been the ME generation, 445 00:23:44,680 --> 00:23:47,119 and so he put together this thing called the US 446 00:23:47,160 --> 00:23:50,920 Festival because he wanted the eighties to be the US generation. 447 00:23:51,279 --> 00:23:55,440 And the headlining band for that festival was and do 448 00:23:55,480 --> 00:23:56,920 you know what the record is that they said. 449 00:23:56,920 --> 00:23:58,359 Speaker 3: So Guinness Book World Record. 450 00:23:58,400 --> 00:24:01,079 Speaker 2: They got one point five million dollars for a ninety 451 00:24:01,440 --> 00:24:02,039 minute set. 452 00:24:02,240 --> 00:24:04,359 Speaker 1: They do an hour and a half set. They make 453 00:24:04,440 --> 00:24:07,960 more money than anybody has for that, but tensions are 454 00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:08,759 still high. 455 00:24:08,960 --> 00:24:12,359 Speaker 2: Tensions are high. Even a million dollars an hour can't 456 00:24:12,400 --> 00:24:14,559 cure some of the tensions that are going on. So 457 00:24:14,640 --> 00:24:17,759 during nineteen eighty three they begin working on a new album, YEP, 458 00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:21,079 to come out at the very end of nineteen eighty three, YEP, 459 00:24:22,039 --> 00:24:45,400 and that album is called nineteen eighty four. For me, 460 00:24:46,599 --> 00:24:49,319 this is the best of the Dave albums. This is 461 00:24:49,359 --> 00:24:51,799 my introduction to van Halen. Sure, this is where I 462 00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:55,680 jumped in, but this is a new van Halen. So 463 00:24:55,759 --> 00:24:59,160 my introduction to van Halen is the new van Halen, absolutely, 464 00:24:59,160 --> 00:25:02,920 which is partly why I think I'm partial to Sammy 465 00:25:03,039 --> 00:25:27,759 later on. But the new sound begins here. 466 00:25:33,359 --> 00:25:36,519 Speaker 1: So, as I said before, this was my introduction to 467 00:25:36,559 --> 00:25:41,319 the band as well. And you couldn't help but be 468 00:25:41,559 --> 00:25:45,160 inundated with Jump at that time in history. It was 469 00:25:45,160 --> 00:25:47,119 that it was the first single off the album. It 470 00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:49,799 is their only number one hit, and if you got 471 00:25:49,839 --> 00:25:53,799 the opportunity to watch MTV, it was on all the 472 00:25:53,880 --> 00:25:55,200 time and it was fascinating. 473 00:25:55,279 --> 00:25:56,720 Speaker 3: It was fantastic it was. 474 00:25:57,000 --> 00:26:00,920 Speaker 1: It was four guys on stage with no crowd. I 475 00:26:00,960 --> 00:26:03,279 mean it's just them jumping. 476 00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:06,240 Speaker 3: It's like a black room with the black drum cloth. 477 00:26:06,240 --> 00:26:07,319 I mean there's nothing happening. 478 00:26:07,359 --> 00:26:10,200 Speaker 1: There is literally nothing going on. They're in weird clothes 479 00:26:10,240 --> 00:26:14,160 that you know, there's leopard skin, tatters of clothes on 480 00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:18,160 stuck on to Dave's body and he's making love with 481 00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:21,359 the camera as much as anybody could and then doing 482 00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:23,039 these amazing acrobatics. 483 00:26:23,079 --> 00:26:24,079 Speaker 3: It's a pretty limber guy. 484 00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:27,759 Speaker 2: Yeah, he can do these jumping high split kicks. 485 00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:30,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, doing the full splits up in the air off 486 00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:31,559 of the drum stand. 487 00:26:31,680 --> 00:26:33,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, flip in the video. 488 00:26:33,839 --> 00:26:34,079 Speaker 1: Yeah. 489 00:26:34,119 --> 00:26:37,480 Speaker 2: I remember Jump being the intro to all the cub 490 00:26:37,519 --> 00:26:40,480 games on WGN, right that whole summer, right. 491 00:26:40,359 --> 00:26:44,240 Speaker 1: Oh wow. Jump is everywhere. The diehard Van Halen fans 492 00:26:45,079 --> 00:26:47,720 are getting mixed reviews. Some of them are sticking with them, 493 00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:49,480 some of them are like, I don't know what's gone 494 00:26:49,519 --> 00:26:51,880 on with these guys. Now, if you listen to the 495 00:26:51,880 --> 00:26:56,319 rest of nineteen eighty four, there's plenty of pure hard 496 00:26:56,839 --> 00:26:59,920 Van Halen hits on that one, and a couple of 497 00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:03,519 them are are popular. Now, you know, you get those 498 00:27:03,559 --> 00:27:05,319 guys who think they sold out, and so then all 499 00:27:05,319 --> 00:27:08,119 of a sudden, if it's popular, they're not interested anymore. Yeah, 500 00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:11,839 I don't care about you guys, because you love the 501 00:27:11,839 --> 00:27:12,480 popular song. 502 00:27:12,559 --> 00:27:14,319 Speaker 3: I love radio friendly hits. 503 00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:17,039 Speaker 2: That's what resonates with me, right, I like that? 504 00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:17,519 Speaker 3: I don't. 505 00:27:17,519 --> 00:27:19,599 Speaker 2: I'm not one of these guys like a radio on 506 00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:23,759 top forty sucks. Before we move on from Jump, Jump 507 00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:25,920 was listed by the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame 508 00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:28,720 as one of five hundred songs that Shape. 509 00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:42,359 Speaker 1: Run nineteen eighty four. Is the first single and biggest 510 00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:44,279 hit that they ever had is Jump, as we've said, 511 00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:48,160 and then there are three more singles that come off 512 00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:52,480 of that album, Panama, Hot for Teacher, and I'll Wait. 513 00:27:53,279 --> 00:27:55,440 Drop Dead Legs is another great song of the album, 514 00:27:55,440 --> 00:27:57,240 but I don't have a lot to say about that one. 515 00:27:57,480 --> 00:27:59,839 Speaker 2: Drop Dead Legs is a fantastic stripper song. 516 00:28:25,359 --> 00:28:29,359 Speaker 1: Okay, I don't strip, so I don't know, now you know, 517 00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:35,119 So let's talk briefly about those three songs. I'll Wait 518 00:28:35,599 --> 00:28:38,160 was thirteen hit for the second release, it went to 519 00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:40,440 number thirteen the Hot one hundred. Yeah, no video, no 520 00:28:40,559 --> 00:28:42,519 video for that one, which is interesting as big of 521 00:28:42,559 --> 00:28:45,480 a hit as it was and as obvious video heads 522 00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:48,359 that they had become, especially Dave, but. 523 00:28:48,400 --> 00:29:02,039 Speaker 2: More synthesizer on this song as well. 524 00:29:06,839 --> 00:29:11,559 Speaker 1: But the use of the synthesizer, I'm gonna have to say, yes, 525 00:29:12,119 --> 00:29:16,079 it was a crossover. But that is why this was 526 00:29:16,119 --> 00:29:18,759 the number one hit. That is why, that is why 527 00:29:18,799 --> 00:29:20,680 I'll wait it was such a big hit, is because 528 00:29:21,359 --> 00:29:25,200 that synthesizer allowed them to cross over to a broader 529 00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:27,519 audience than they had ever had been flow down and 530 00:29:27,599 --> 00:29:31,799 so they've got these other singles. I love Panama maybe 531 00:29:31,880 --> 00:29:49,079 my favorite song off of the album. Here's something interesting 532 00:29:49,880 --> 00:29:51,559 and I didn't bring it up when we talked about 533 00:29:51,759 --> 00:29:55,680 Van Halen's debut album, but they covered a band when 534 00:29:55,720 --> 00:30:00,200 they were in their early stages called Cactus which I 535 00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:03,400 had never heard before. But there is no question. I mean, 536 00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:06,720 the boys have as much admitted so several of the 537 00:30:06,759 --> 00:30:10,640 songs that they have they totally have borrowed some part 538 00:30:11,039 --> 00:30:13,160 of a song. So the intro to Hot for Teacher 539 00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:16,759 with the drums and the guitar coming in is almost 540 00:30:16,799 --> 00:30:53,039 identical for a song called Parchment Farm by Cactus Sun. 541 00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:58,519 And then Eruption was a song that, again the intro 542 00:30:58,680 --> 00:31:01,680 was very similar to song let me swim by Cactus 543 00:31:01,680 --> 00:31:41,240 and we can play those side by side as well. Yeah, 544 00:31:41,279 --> 00:31:43,319 there's no question he's borrowed these. You listen to him, 545 00:31:43,400 --> 00:31:47,680 it's undeniable, but he's improved them. Oh yeah, he's Mozart. 546 00:31:48,039 --> 00:31:49,880 There's somebody that nobody's ever heard of. 547 00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:50,279 Speaker 3: That's right. 548 00:31:51,519 --> 00:31:54,319 Speaker 2: So Panama reaches number thirteen on the Hot one hundred. Yes, 549 00:31:54,759 --> 00:31:56,759 Hot fr Teager comes out. This video is one of 550 00:31:56,799 --> 00:31:57,799 my favorite videos. 551 00:31:57,519 --> 00:31:58,000 Speaker 3: Of all time. 552 00:31:58,079 --> 00:31:59,400 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, absolutely, with. 553 00:31:59,319 --> 00:32:03,200 Speaker 2: The young Van Halen boys running around the school terrorizing. Right, 554 00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:06,880 you've got miss his ed and uh you know, misspelled 555 00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:11,160 and miss science or whatever, and those spelled teachers running around. 556 00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:13,119 Speaker 3: It's it's fantastic. 557 00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:16,480 Speaker 1: Absolutely. You got the beginning part with Waldo. You've got 558 00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:21,079 his kind of awkwardly sighing mother, and then when Waldo speaks, 559 00:32:21,119 --> 00:32:23,440 he's got this unusually deep voice. 560 00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:30,440 Speaker 3: Oh mom, yeah, no, I'm not like other guys. I'm nervous. 561 00:32:30,559 --> 00:32:32,839 Then my socks there too. 562 00:32:33,039 --> 00:32:35,559 Speaker 2: You know who that voice is right now? That voice 563 00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:37,680 is Phil Hartman of Saturday Night Life fame. 564 00:32:37,839 --> 00:32:41,240 Speaker 1: Oh Phil Hartman, God rest his soul, of course, that's him. 565 00:32:41,279 --> 00:32:43,359 Oh that's perfect. Gets on the. 566 00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:45,599 Speaker 3: Bus, sat down, Waldo. 567 00:32:46,359 --> 00:32:49,240 Speaker 1: So Dave is the one that's responsible for the videos 568 00:32:49,359 --> 00:32:54,200 on both Panama and Panama. You know they I think 569 00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:56,359 they they did a thing that seemed to be happening 570 00:32:56,400 --> 00:32:58,559 a lot back then, which was videos of the concert 571 00:32:58,599 --> 00:33:02,400 where they're flying on cables like bon Jovi is doing 572 00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:02,759 the same thing. 573 00:33:02,759 --> 00:33:04,839 Speaker 2: I could sell that and living on a prayer bon 574 00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:05,519 Jovi was. 575 00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:08,240 Speaker 1: Like bouncing all over the place. They look awful. These 576 00:33:08,279 --> 00:33:11,119 guys look fun, right, They're they're flying and drinking beer 577 00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:14,680 and playing the guitar. It's it's amazing stuff. And so 578 00:33:14,799 --> 00:33:18,519 their success is beyond what it has ever been in history. 579 00:33:18,759 --> 00:33:22,079 They are literally at the top of their game, and 580 00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:24,160 they hate each other. 581 00:33:24,359 --> 00:33:27,119 Speaker 2: This is where it falls apart. Dave's ego is out 582 00:33:27,119 --> 00:33:30,039 of control. At this point, Eddie and Dave are lockinghorns, 583 00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:33,240 and Alex sides with Eddie of course, of course, and 584 00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:36,559 Michael's in the crossfire. But Dave comes up with a 585 00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:39,319 new album, a solo album called Crazy from. 586 00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:42,640 Speaker 1: The Heat Right, so he had criticized Eddie in the 587 00:33:42,680 --> 00:33:46,759 past for playing with Michael Jackson. This is something we 588 00:33:46,839 --> 00:33:49,960 talked about on our first episode, that the guys were 589 00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:53,440 doing other things. Michael calls Eddie. We played guitar in 590 00:33:53,440 --> 00:34:05,880 the song shirt and then that one ends up being 591 00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:08,400 a number one hit and the album keeps nineteen eighty 592 00:34:08,440 --> 00:34:11,960 four from reaching number one status as an album. So 593 00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:14,360 Dave and the guys are pretty pissed about that. And 594 00:34:14,360 --> 00:34:15,960 you see it in one of his videos that comes 595 00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:18,360 out from that solo album, is he kind of is 596 00:34:18,719 --> 00:34:22,920 mocking Michael Jackson in the just a Jigglo videos. As 597 00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:24,679 all of this is going on, is that they would 598 00:34:24,719 --> 00:34:27,400 call these band meetings to get together and write songs 599 00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:28,800 and talk about what was going to happen. 600 00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:31,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, so they would have these band meetings at eight 601 00:34:31,320 --> 00:34:34,800 o'clock in the morning, which is crazy for a rock 602 00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:36,519 band to try to do anything at eight o'clock. 603 00:34:36,280 --> 00:34:36,719 Speaker 3: In the morning. 604 00:34:37,559 --> 00:34:40,440 Speaker 2: But the group consensus at any time you heard the 605 00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:44,800 words band meeting, everybody was like, oh gosh, So eight 606 00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:46,719 o'clock in the morning, they were supposed to be there 607 00:34:46,719 --> 00:34:51,719 to write and play music. Dave would show about eleven, 608 00:34:52,199 --> 00:34:53,079 start a fight. 609 00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:55,960 Speaker 1: And then leave, Yeah, probably with a couple girls. 610 00:34:55,760 --> 00:34:57,159 Speaker 3: Right, And I can tillly see Dave doing this. 611 00:34:57,320 --> 00:35:00,159 Speaker 1: And so then just like he was upset about, he, 612 00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:03,920 unbeknownst to them, goes and finds another group of guys 613 00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:07,800 to play with, produces an album, a four song album, 614 00:35:08,039 --> 00:35:10,559 which he says, hey, you know, any album's only got 615 00:35:10,559 --> 00:35:12,800 four good songs on it. Anyway, I'm just cutting off 616 00:35:12,840 --> 00:35:15,679 the fat. As it turned out, there were only really 617 00:35:15,679 --> 00:35:18,639 two good songs on the album, so it's still worked 618 00:35:18,639 --> 00:35:21,480 out to be about the same. But as a surprise 619 00:35:21,559 --> 00:35:24,599 to the remainder of the band, he releases Crazy from 620 00:35:24,599 --> 00:35:25,480 the Heat from. 621 00:35:25,320 --> 00:35:25,639 Speaker 4: The hit. 622 00:35:42,840 --> 00:35:45,119 Speaker 1: Now this is the ego speaking right here. He does 623 00:35:45,159 --> 00:35:48,519 an interview with David Letterman in early eighty five talking 624 00:35:48,519 --> 00:35:51,199 about that album, and Dave is trying to find out 625 00:35:51,199 --> 00:35:52,800 what's going to happen with the rest of the band. 626 00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:54,840 Speaker 4: I think now's a good time on New Year's to 627 00:35:54,880 --> 00:35:57,320 decide whether you're going to be a hot dog or 628 00:35:57,360 --> 00:36:08,800 a little weenie. 629 00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:12,960 Speaker 3: I well, I have beautiful. 630 00:36:12,559 --> 00:36:16,079 Speaker 4: I have chosen to remain a little weener for one 631 00:36:16,079 --> 00:36:16,719 more season. 632 00:36:16,760 --> 00:36:18,519 Speaker 1: You're gonna be a Weeni for another year? 633 00:36:18,599 --> 00:36:19,159 Speaker 4: Yeah? You bet. 634 00:36:19,519 --> 00:36:21,880 Speaker 1: Well, you're doing solo work? Is the is the Does 635 00:36:21,880 --> 00:36:25,079 this mean that the band will soon be breaking up? 636 00:36:25,159 --> 00:36:25,480 Speaker 4: No? 637 00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:27,480 Speaker 3: No, that happens. You know that does happen. 638 00:36:27,519 --> 00:36:30,039 Speaker 4: That's that's the spinal tap story. Now, I still have 639 00:36:30,199 --> 00:36:33,880 very I still have very strong tribal instincts, and we'll 640 00:36:33,880 --> 00:36:36,400 be going into the studio like the middle of this 641 00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:39,840 month and start arguing again, and we'll come back out 642 00:36:39,840 --> 00:36:41,920 with an album sometime this year, hopefully. 643 00:36:42,079 --> 00:36:44,159 Speaker 1: He has this full expectation that the band's going to 644 00:36:44,199 --> 00:36:48,199 stay together. But you just you can't do that. You 645 00:36:48,280 --> 00:36:50,920 can't be the guy who goes and trashes the meetings, 646 00:36:51,320 --> 00:36:54,159 the guy who orates somebody for going and doing work 647 00:36:54,199 --> 00:36:57,400 with other people, and then pull off this stunt and 648 00:36:57,480 --> 00:36:58,679 expect to remain in the band. 649 00:36:59,079 --> 00:37:02,320 Speaker 2: He also had a movie deal on the table that 650 00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:04,239 was annoying the band as well. 651 00:37:04,719 --> 00:37:07,800 Speaker 1: Well. As I said earlier, he was the directing force 652 00:37:07,880 --> 00:37:10,599 behind their videos, which are fantastic. I mean, they're great, 653 00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:14,639 well put together videos. He's obviously playing a part in this. 654 00:37:15,039 --> 00:37:17,719 He's developed this kind of Dave TV idea. 655 00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:19,480 Speaker 3: It was the big thing for about five minutes. 656 00:37:19,800 --> 00:37:24,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, he really really was coming up strong. But there's 657 00:37:24,719 --> 00:37:27,440 only so much wind power that can take you when 658 00:37:27,519 --> 00:37:30,079 you don't have your name band behind you. 659 00:37:30,280 --> 00:37:30,679 Speaker 3: That's right. 660 00:37:34,480 --> 00:37:38,119 Speaker 2: So we've heard rumors that he was fired, we've heard 661 00:37:38,199 --> 00:37:39,119 rumors that he quit. 662 00:37:39,960 --> 00:37:43,079 Speaker 1: Either way, I don't think there's any question that he 663 00:37:43,159 --> 00:37:46,840 made a decision that led to his exit from the band, 664 00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:51,079 but that decision was probably not his to leave. But 665 00:37:51,119 --> 00:37:55,000 there's to say you don't belong here anymore. You've pushed 666 00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:55,480 it too far. 667 00:37:55,760 --> 00:37:56,800 Speaker 3: So Dave's out. 668 00:37:57,119 --> 00:37:57,760 Speaker 1: Dave is out. 669 00:37:57,920 --> 00:38:01,800 Speaker 2: Dave's out in nineteen eighty five at the pinnacle of 670 00:38:01,840 --> 00:38:03,079 their professional crew. 671 00:38:03,199 --> 00:38:06,480 Speaker 1: Right, and so everyone is wondering what's going to go on, 672 00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:10,239 including Eddie and Alex. They don't know what. They don't 673 00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:12,719 know what to do. They don't know whether to get 674 00:38:12,719 --> 00:38:15,519 another bass player. They don't know whether to do a 675 00:38:15,639 --> 00:38:19,239 kind of compilation album where they've got multiple singers performing 676 00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:22,920 different songs with them, or to try to find one 677 00:38:23,039 --> 00:38:24,400 singer that they can go with. 678 00:38:24,840 --> 00:38:27,079 Speaker 2: That's right, and the smart money at this time was 679 00:38:27,360 --> 00:38:28,360 probably on Dave. 680 00:38:28,679 --> 00:38:30,239 Speaker 1: Yeah, if you were if you're like, who am I 681 00:38:30,280 --> 00:38:31,559 going to back? Is it going to be Dave or 682 00:38:31,639 --> 00:38:34,039 van Halen? I mean, van Halen is not van Halen 683 00:38:34,119 --> 00:38:36,280 without David Lee Roth. It's just not. 684 00:38:37,079 --> 00:38:39,679 Speaker 2: And that's why Ted Templeman went with Dave to produce 685 00:38:40,119 --> 00:38:41,199 Eatman Smile. 686 00:38:41,119 --> 00:38:43,280 Speaker 1: Right, And he called Eddie and said, I'm sorry, I 687 00:38:43,320 --> 00:38:45,480 got to go with Dave on this and the crew too, 688 00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:49,159 and Eddie said, that's okay, I don't really want you 689 00:38:49,199 --> 00:38:51,880 to produce our albums anymore. Anyway. Well, he didn't take everybody. 690 00:38:51,920 --> 00:38:54,639 Don Landy stayed with them. Don Landy then became instead 691 00:38:54,639 --> 00:38:57,440 of the sound engineer, he became the producer. He became 692 00:38:57,480 --> 00:39:02,920 the new Ted Templeman, a fob in a big barn. 693 00:39:11,400 --> 00:39:11,760 Speaker 3: All right. 694 00:39:11,920 --> 00:39:14,760 Speaker 2: So there's some discussion in nineteen eighty five about whether 695 00:39:14,840 --> 00:39:17,199 or not to hire a full time lead singer or 696 00:39:17,239 --> 00:39:20,400 to just do an album with guest lead singers. But 697 00:39:20,519 --> 00:39:22,039 one of the So here are the names that are 698 00:39:22,119 --> 00:39:25,360 kicked around as Dave's replacement, and some of these blew 699 00:39:25,400 --> 00:39:30,239 me away by all accounts, including hers and Eddie's. The 700 00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:45,000 lead option to replace Dave is Patty smythe Great Voice. 701 00:39:45,199 --> 00:39:47,039 Not sure she's a fit for van Halen. 702 00:39:46,840 --> 00:39:49,039 Speaker 1: No freaking way, no. 703 00:39:49,559 --> 00:39:51,639 Speaker 3: All right, So she was the lead option. 704 00:39:51,679 --> 00:39:54,159 Speaker 1: I think Patty Benatar. That would have been a great one. 705 00:39:54,199 --> 00:39:56,599 Speaker 3: Patty Benaitar could have been an option. 706 00:39:56,559 --> 00:40:00,119 Speaker 1: That Benatar had some kickbuck songs and was walking back. 707 00:40:00,119 --> 00:40:01,840 Speaker 3: Away man, all right. 708 00:40:01,960 --> 00:40:05,360 Speaker 2: Option number two Jimmy Barnes, which if you've ever seen 709 00:40:05,400 --> 00:40:13,360 The Lost Boys, you're familiar with the song good Times. 710 00:40:15,440 --> 00:40:24,320 Speaker 1: Who Oh yeah, that was the one that he did 711 00:40:24,320 --> 00:40:26,760 with in excess. That's right, that's a great tune. And 712 00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:28,559 he does he's got a strong voice. I don't know 713 00:40:28,599 --> 00:40:31,039 if it's the right voice, but it's it's it's deeper, 714 00:40:31,239 --> 00:40:32,199 more like Dave's. 715 00:40:32,440 --> 00:40:34,760 Speaker 3: Yep, it's a it's a screamer, all right. 716 00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:37,480 Speaker 2: And then option number three, guy named Eric Martin, who 717 00:40:37,519 --> 00:40:41,039 you'll know if you have heard nineties music at all, 718 00:40:41,320 --> 00:40:43,280 the song to Be with You by mister Big. 719 00:40:43,559 --> 00:40:47,239 Speaker 4: So come on, David, come on over, let it be. 720 00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:54,159 Speaker 1: You don't want to show you? So he was the 721 00:40:54,239 --> 00:40:56,920 lead singer for mister Big. He was, Okay, that's an 722 00:40:57,079 --> 00:40:57,920 entirely different. 723 00:40:57,679 --> 00:40:59,280 Speaker 3: Semi voice, absolutely softer. 724 00:40:59,360 --> 00:41:04,280 Speaker 2: He's got too, a raspy, good voice, melodic. But this 725 00:41:04,360 --> 00:41:06,599 is the one that blew me away. This was an 726 00:41:06,599 --> 00:41:10,800 actual offer on the table. Darryl Hall of Hollow Noise. 727 00:41:30,280 --> 00:41:36,719 Speaker 1: I love Hallowose. I listened to uh Lion eyes with 728 00:41:37,719 --> 00:41:42,719 Private Eyes thank you? Yeah? Sorry, yeah, I listened to 729 00:41:42,760 --> 00:41:47,079 Private Eyes over and over. But I'm not a Van Halen. 730 00:41:47,199 --> 00:41:50,679 Speaker 3: How about how about Eddie Plane your kisses on my lips. 731 00:41:51,159 --> 00:42:06,199 Speaker 1: Kiss unchained melody or something? Yeah, no way. 732 00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:03,360 Speaker 2: All right, So there's very few people that I can 733 00:42:03,400 --> 00:42:06,360 actually step in for David. They have to be established 734 00:42:06,480 --> 00:42:08,519 or the fan base of Chumba, right, and they have 735 00:42:08,599 --> 00:42:10,800 to have balls of steel to get up there and 736 00:42:10,880 --> 00:42:13,559 rock out to these old ones and then pursue a 737 00:42:13,599 --> 00:42:16,239 new career with these guys. So who do they go to. 738 00:42:16,679 --> 00:42:19,280 They go back to the Montrose guy. They call Sam 739 00:42:19,320 --> 00:42:20,440 Hagar And. 740 00:42:20,360 --> 00:42:22,840 Speaker 1: It makes absolute sense, and I thought so at the time. 741 00:42:23,519 --> 00:42:26,719 He had done very well with Montrose, had been very successful. 742 00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:29,880 Then he went out on his own solo career. Everybody 743 00:42:29,920 --> 00:42:43,079 knows the song I Can't Drive fifty five. I love 744 00:42:43,159 --> 00:42:49,199 the video Fast Cars. Frustration with this for you younger listeners. 745 00:42:50,320 --> 00:42:53,239 In the nineteen eighties, no one was allowed to drive 746 00:42:53,280 --> 00:42:56,159 over fifty five miles an hour anywhere in the United States. 747 00:42:56,199 --> 00:42:59,159 Can you imagine how horrible that was, especially if you 748 00:42:59,199 --> 00:43:01,199 own a Lambert That's right. 749 00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:02,280 Speaker 3: That's right. 750 00:43:02,400 --> 00:43:04,599 Speaker 1: I mean that's just like, you know, here's the candy, 751 00:43:04,639 --> 00:43:06,519 but you can keep the wrapper on it? You can't, Yeah, 752 00:43:07,039 --> 00:43:10,400 I don't. That'd be horrible. And so as it turns 753 00:43:10,440 --> 00:43:13,000 out that the Lamborghini that you see, and well maybe 754 00:43:13,039 --> 00:43:16,960 not that one, but a Sammy Hagar Lamborghini comes into 755 00:43:17,000 --> 00:43:20,679 play with the joining of Eddie Van Hana's exactly right 756 00:43:20,719 --> 00:43:23,639 and Sammy Hagar Sammy's cars in the shop right at 757 00:43:23,639 --> 00:43:25,920 the same time Eddie's cars in this Yeah, Eddie also 758 00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:29,079 had Lamborghini, which, by the way, that is the car 759 00:43:29,440 --> 00:43:34,800 engine that you hear in Panama. 760 00:43:35,320 --> 00:43:37,079 Speaker 5: Yeah, we'd run a little bit hot tonight. 761 00:43:40,559 --> 00:43:43,199 Speaker 3: I can barely see the road from the heat coming. 762 00:43:43,000 --> 00:43:49,679 Speaker 1: Up with That is Eddie's nineteen seventy two Lamborghini. But 763 00:43:50,039 --> 00:43:52,320 he's having trouble with it. He takes it to his 764 00:43:52,559 --> 00:43:57,079 mechanic and is down, and the mechanic says, what's wrong Eddie. 765 00:43:56,880 --> 00:43:58,519 Speaker 2: And Eddie says, I, Man, I don't need a new 766 00:43:58,559 --> 00:44:01,480 lead singer. And he says, man, what's you call Sammy? 767 00:44:01,639 --> 00:44:02,719 Speaker 1: Sammy from Montrose? 768 00:44:02,920 --> 00:44:03,079 Speaker 5: Right. 769 00:44:03,239 --> 00:44:08,000 Speaker 2: So Eddie actually takes his advice, calls Sammy and says, hey, man, 770 00:44:08,199 --> 00:44:09,639 we'd love you to come to jam with the ben. 771 00:44:09,800 --> 00:44:12,920 Let's let's see what we got here and come down tomorrow. 772 00:44:13,119 --> 00:44:15,480 Sam He's like, man, I do nothing tomorrow. I just 773 00:44:15,519 --> 00:44:16,360 got off tour. 774 00:44:16,920 --> 00:44:18,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, he just shaved his head. I mean it was 775 00:44:18,920 --> 00:44:19,800 I mean he cut his hair. 776 00:44:19,840 --> 00:44:23,880 Speaker 2: It was it was he had he was on vacation. 777 00:44:23,760 --> 00:44:26,920 Speaker 1: Right, I'm taking a break, and honestly, he's one of 778 00:44:26,960 --> 00:44:28,800 the few guys that could say I don't need you 779 00:44:28,840 --> 00:44:31,639 guys right now, that's right. I'm I'm really successful on 780 00:44:31,639 --> 00:44:34,039 my own. I'm not Van Halen successful, but I'm successful 781 00:44:34,119 --> 00:44:36,679 enough for me. And he is a savvy businessman. If 782 00:44:36,719 --> 00:44:38,880 you learn anything from his biography, it's that he knows 783 00:44:38,920 --> 00:44:40,760 how to run a business, and he's a business guy, 784 00:44:41,280 --> 00:44:44,360 and he's been around for a long time. He's older 785 00:44:44,360 --> 00:44:46,000 than all the rest of the guys, and he knows 786 00:44:46,079 --> 00:44:48,280 his stuff. So he's got no reason to have to 787 00:44:48,320 --> 00:44:50,360 do this. But he just says, you know, what the heck, 788 00:44:50,679 --> 00:44:52,039 it's what's the harm in meeting? 789 00:44:52,519 --> 00:44:56,559 Speaker 2: I heard him say publicly in an interview that he 790 00:44:56,639 --> 00:44:59,840 went initially to jam see what, see what they had, 791 00:45:00,079 --> 00:45:03,000 what was going to go on and hopefully entice Eddie 792 00:45:03,000 --> 00:45:04,599 to play on his next album. 793 00:45:04,639 --> 00:45:06,760 Speaker 3: Oh nice for my friendship. 794 00:45:06,960 --> 00:45:09,239 Speaker 2: Maybe Eddie will play on my next album. Right when 795 00:45:09,239 --> 00:45:12,199 they get together, he shows up, they're out of their minds. There, 796 00:45:12,800 --> 00:45:15,519 they are drunk, and the whole place is covered in 797 00:45:15,559 --> 00:45:18,320 cigarette butts and it smells like a bar that hasn't 798 00:45:18,360 --> 00:45:22,480 been clean in ten years. And they start playing. They 799 00:45:22,519 --> 00:45:24,039 start playing and magic happens. 800 00:45:24,119 --> 00:45:28,199 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, he says to himself, my gosh, if they 801 00:45:28,199 --> 00:45:31,559 can sound this good, completely burned out of their minds. 802 00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:33,760 These guys know how to party and they know how 803 00:45:33,800 --> 00:45:35,079 to play. This is my type of. 804 00:45:35,000 --> 00:45:39,599 Speaker 2: Show, he said. Literally that day they played and words 805 00:45:39,639 --> 00:45:41,760 just sort of came out of his mouth, and Summer 806 00:45:41,880 --> 00:45:43,960 Nights was born out of that jam session. 807 00:45:44,119 --> 00:45:45,719 Speaker 3: Right, just flowed right. 808 00:45:45,599 --> 00:45:47,559 Speaker 1: Out, scouting, scatting the melody. 809 00:45:47,639 --> 00:45:48,840 Speaker 2: That's it. 810 00:45:54,159 --> 00:45:58,559 Speaker 1: Yeah. So uh, he's he's known as the red rocker 811 00:45:58,760 --> 00:46:03,639 at that point, and and he's got his own fame. 812 00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:07,480 And so the first time that I saw him other 813 00:46:07,519 --> 00:46:10,519 than in his video was during Farm Aid which, gosh, 814 00:46:10,639 --> 00:46:12,280 if you go back, you can search. You can do 815 00:46:12,320 --> 00:46:14,000 a YouTube search on this one and see the old 816 00:46:14,039 --> 00:46:17,559 farm Maide video. Oh my, oh my, oh my. 817 00:46:19,559 --> 00:46:22,840 Speaker 2: Okay, there's a song pro you track to pull him 818 00:46:22,840 --> 00:46:23,639 on the out. 819 00:46:23,519 --> 00:46:24,719 Speaker 3: There, Come on, I can't drive. 820 00:46:24,800 --> 00:46:29,119 Speaker 1: You know that he was he was a unique guy. 821 00:46:29,159 --> 00:46:32,679 He's he's very free with the language, very colorful, and 822 00:46:32,719 --> 00:46:35,800 he's with his regular band. And then he says he 823 00:46:35,880 --> 00:46:36,400 was looking at. 824 00:46:36,360 --> 00:46:39,880 Speaker 4: The newspaper, right and it said that Eddie. 825 00:46:39,679 --> 00:46:41,159 Speaker 3: Was gonna jam with me, And I thought. 826 00:46:40,920 --> 00:46:41,960 Speaker 4: Well, I didn't know that. 827 00:46:42,360 --> 00:46:45,159 Speaker 1: But Eddie comes out and they play together and they 828 00:46:45,159 --> 00:46:48,320 do an old led Zeppelin tune and they kill it. 829 00:46:48,440 --> 00:46:49,639 They killed of course they kill it. 830 00:46:49,880 --> 00:46:53,679 Speaker 2: This was for all the world to see, their first 831 00:46:53,760 --> 00:46:56,880 chance to play live as a group, and he bombs 832 00:46:56,880 --> 00:46:58,599 it with the big mfor I. 833 00:46:58,559 --> 00:47:00,920 Speaker 1: Saw a lot of custoords whenever I watch I remember that. 834 00:47:02,360 --> 00:47:05,639 Speaker 2: So anyway, Warner Brothers, so it's kind of like a supergroup. 835 00:47:05,679 --> 00:47:08,639 You've got a very successful solo artist. You've got the 836 00:47:08,679 --> 00:47:11,639 three parts left over after Dave left. 837 00:47:11,639 --> 00:47:14,159 Speaker 3: Right, are we still going to be van Halen? 838 00:47:14,800 --> 00:47:14,960 Speaker 1: Right? 839 00:47:15,000 --> 00:47:18,079 Speaker 2: Warner Brothers actually came to him and said, would you 840 00:47:18,159 --> 00:47:21,920 consider changing your name to van Hagar? Which I think 841 00:47:21,960 --> 00:47:23,639 is interesting. I thought that was always just kind of 842 00:47:23,679 --> 00:47:25,320 a slang term. 843 00:47:25,159 --> 00:47:27,920 Speaker 1: But yeah, like a joke or the first time I 844 00:47:27,960 --> 00:47:29,519 heard it was on the movie Joe Dirt. 845 00:47:30,800 --> 00:47:32,880 Speaker 3: No, sir, man, I don't like that crap. 846 00:47:32,920 --> 00:47:36,000 Speaker 1: I'm a rocker dude, through and through. Here's my favorite band, 847 00:47:36,119 --> 00:47:39,679 ac DC van Halen, not Van Hagar. 848 00:47:39,800 --> 00:47:42,519 Speaker 2: And Sammy's the one who says, no way, not doing 849 00:47:42,519 --> 00:47:48,480 it right. So anyway, Sammy officially joins the band in 850 00:47:48,599 --> 00:47:49,599 nineteen eighty five. 851 00:47:59,599 --> 00:48:02,480 Speaker 1: And we will take that up on our next episode, 852 00:48:02,559 --> 00:48:05,960 Part three of the Van Halen versus Van Hagar. 853 00:48:05,679 --> 00:48:08,119 Speaker 2: Discussion right next week, Van Hagar. 854 00:48:09,239 --> 00:48:12,440 Speaker 1: Don't forget to follow us on Twitter and Facebook. 855 00:48:12,079 --> 00:48:14,440 Speaker 2: At Shirley Podcast on Twitter. 856 00:48:14,119 --> 00:48:17,679 Speaker 1: At Shirley Podcast on Facebook, and don't forget to subscribe 857 00:48:17,719 --> 00:48:21,679 to our YouTube channel, the Surely you Can't Be Serious 858 00:48:21,800 --> 00:48:41,960 podcast channel. 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