Speaker 1: Seven oh six to fifty five krs DE talk station.
Speaker 1: By the time, I's pushing everyone a very happy Thursday
Speaker 1: slash Friday Eve and welcoming back. Always a pleasure to
Speaker 1: have him on FOP. President Ken Kover representing Chapter sixty
Speaker 1: nine in Fraternal Order Police. That's the Sinsint Police Department. Ken,
Speaker 1: excuse me, good to heavy back on the show to
Speaker 1: this morning.
Speaker 2: Thank good morning, Brian. How are you.
Speaker 1: I'm doing fine, Just kind of going over some of
Speaker 1: the comments from AFT pro Voll State of the City.
Speaker 1: Youth violence obviously brought up numerous times, although he did
Speaker 1: claim that during the State of the City said he
Speaker 1: claimed that youth violence is down more than thirty five
Speaker 1: percent this calendar year. And I was scratching my head
Speaker 1: over that one, because I know there have already been
Speaker 1: more youth involved in incidents at the various transit centers
Speaker 1: which seemed to be a magnet for these young punk
Speaker 1: kids and crimes more this year so far than the
Speaker 1: entire calendar your last year. So you tell my listeners
Speaker 1: where are we in terms of crime generally speaking, in
Speaker 1: youth crime specifically.
Speaker 3: Well, when you look at like transit center stuff, those
Speaker 3: are things that typically disorder, kids just fighting where you know,
Speaker 3: an assault report is never generated, so those things don't
Speaker 3: get thrown into stats. So you know, the reportable crime
Speaker 3: may be down, but I could tell you with the
Speaker 3: officers that go to these transit centers every day after school,
Speaker 3: they're going to tell you that juvenile violence is absolutely
Speaker 3: still a problem.
Speaker 1: Well, is there something that's behind it other than the
Speaker 1: obvious social realities of maybe you know, not having a
Speaker 1: mom and dad at home taking care of them and
Speaker 1: minding the store, or I don't know, is this on
Speaker 1: the uptick for any particular reason that you can put
Speaker 1: your finger on that's sort of differ from the norm.
Speaker 3: Now, not really other than the fact that they now
Speaker 3: have a place to gather, you know, with all these
Speaker 3: transit centers popping up, you know, instead of having these
Speaker 3: kids just burst throughout you know, other avenues of transportation,
Speaker 3: they're now going to central locations where gives them an
Speaker 3: opportunity fifteen twenty minutes to wait for a bus. And
Speaker 3: well know that if you give kids time to be silly,
Speaker 3: they're going.
Speaker 2: To be silly.
Speaker 1: Well, no question about that. So this really is all
Speaker 1: about getting to and from school and using the metro
Speaker 1: buses to do it, and having to gather together in
Speaker 1: one place, concentrated, which obviously welcomes the opportunity for violence
Speaker 1: between young people. So we're down to transit for public schools.
Speaker 1: Is that really that? That's it, isn't it?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Absolutely?
Speaker 3: I mean this these weren't problems seven, eight, nine years
Speaker 3: ago when CPS had they're unbussing, you know where you
Speaker 3: were picking up the bus in your own neighborhood and
Speaker 3: going to schools. We just didn't see these problems now
Speaker 3: that obviously that they're using these transit centers. I mean,
Speaker 3: look at Oakley. Oakley has never been a problem. Now
Speaker 3: all of a sudden, this transit center there has been
Speaker 3: a hub for issues in Oakley and it's starting to
Speaker 3: terrorize their neighborhood.
Speaker 1: Well, what a crying shame that is. Has anybody going
Speaker 1: back to the well and talked about maybe going back
Speaker 1: to the way it used to be in terms of transit, Well.
Speaker 3: I think the biggest problem they've had is the fact
Speaker 3: that CPS leadership has been changing. They don't have a
Speaker 3: permanent you know, director superintendent for Cincinnati Public Schools. So
Speaker 3: you know, just like the police department was when you
Speaker 3: have an interim achieved for interim director, they're not going
Speaker 3: to make any kind of extreme changes or drastic changes
Speaker 3: until they have a permanent role. And that's that typically
Speaker 3: ends up being a problem that we see all the time.
Speaker 3: But instance that police department. If you have an interim
Speaker 3: everything's going to be status quo until a permanent person's named.
Speaker 1: Well, what a shame that is this? I mean, this
Speaker 1: is a problem that's screaming for a solution, a solution
Speaker 1: that seems to be I mean, you bring it up
Speaker 1: here this morning. Go back to the old ways the
Speaker 1: transit system. The kids aren't going to be congregating together
Speaker 1: for a long periods of time. You'll have an end
Speaker 1: of violence at least at these transit centers. That's a
Speaker 1: simple solution, simple fix. It doesn't require a permanent position
Speaker 1: to do it, just requires someone with the willpower to
Speaker 1: start implementing it and figuring out how to pay for it.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 3: No, I mean, these are simple concepts to you and I,
Speaker 3: but I guess they become very complex when you get
Speaker 3: to that level of leadership. And I guess they're just
Speaker 3: afraid to make changes until they know who's going to
Speaker 3: ultimately be in charge.
Speaker 1: Well again, I'll repeat crying shame now you mentioned reportable crimes.
Speaker 1: I have this theory and perhaps maybe you, as the
Speaker 1: FOP president, can cover, can confirm it or deny it.
Speaker 1: In the aftermath of all the old the defund the
Speaker 1: police and the police are evil, it's inherently racist thing.
Speaker 1: Blah blah blah blah blah. Hopefully we have gotten past
Speaker 1: that nonsense and or back to supporting our men and
Speaker 1: women in uniform because they do keep our neighborhoods safe.
Speaker 1: But the bubble seem to have gotten burst in so
Speaker 1: far as law and law enforcement's morale. When you have
Speaker 1: a revolving door of crime and you don't get rewarded
Speaker 1: by seeing the purp that you busted your hump chasing
Speaker 1: down in the streets see justice, you're less inclined to
Speaker 1: maybe arrest them or report a crime. Is that still
Speaker 1: kind of a concept going on? Because I keep reading that, well,
Speaker 1: violent crimes down, this gets down, and it's down. It
Speaker 1: could be down simply because nobody's reporting crimes that happen.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that the biggest impact on this isn't
Speaker 3: necessarily with the police, because you know, the police, if
Speaker 3: they know, they're going to go and there. If somebody
Speaker 3: calls the police danser for a report to be done,
Speaker 3: they're going to go complete the report. But to your point,
Speaker 3: what's happening, and we've seen this, I've talked to officers
Speaker 3: about this, is that you have people that go, look,
Speaker 3: sports system is not going to do anything to him anyway.
Speaker 3: So I'm just not even going to report this right
Speaker 3: because they don't want to waste their time. They don't
Speaker 3: want to go down to court, you know, and and
Speaker 3: spend two or three different appearances down there for some
Speaker 3: defendant to maybe show up, maybe not show up, and
Speaker 3: then ultimately when the case comes to a conclusion, they
Speaker 3: get nothing.
Speaker 2: Out of it.
Speaker 3: So I think, quite honestly, there's some citizens you know,
Speaker 3: that are victims of crime that are fed up with
Speaker 3: the justice system and say, nothing's going to happen to
Speaker 3: these people. So you know, the heck with him, I'm
Speaker 3: not even gonna bother reporting it.
Speaker 1: Well, that has me a little down. I'm not going
Speaker 1: to ask you to stick your nose in matters political.
Speaker 1: It might not be good for you, but you can
Speaker 1: feel free to chime in if you prefer to. But
Speaker 1: I'm a little worried. Now with the post election, we
Speaker 1: have Connie Pillach and Charmaine McGuffey is stays in her role,
Speaker 1: so we kind of have a handle on how that's
Speaker 1: going to be at the Sheriff's office. But with Connie
Speaker 1: Pillach's Hamilton County prosecutor, we don't have a Melissa Powers
Speaker 1: tough on crime prosecutor any longer. That, coupled with a
Speaker 1: lot of the woke judges we have, which we know
Speaker 1: are very very soft on crime, have any perception of
Speaker 1: whether this is going to get worse before it gets better?
Speaker 2: Well that's the million dollar question.
Speaker 1: I know.
Speaker 3: I was asked this the day after the election with
Speaker 3: some of the local media, and I'm actually going to
Speaker 3: meet with Connie Pillage tomorrow. She and I exchange some texts.
Speaker 3: She seemed very very interested to meet with me. But
Speaker 3: those are some of the questions that I'm going to
Speaker 3: ask her. Is you know what's this going to look like?
Speaker 3: Because ultimately it doesn't matter who the prosecutor in this
Speaker 3: county is as far as law enforcement, because we work
Speaker 3: with the prosecutor's office. To your point, you know, if
Speaker 3: things are trending to where we are going to just
Speaker 3: be soft on crime.
Speaker 2: It is certainly going to make a huge impact.
Speaker 3: But I think it's one of those things where I
Speaker 3: think we are best to just wait and see. You know,
Speaker 3: Connie's really an unknown because she hasn't been a county prosecutor.
Speaker 3: So I think always can really do right now is
Speaker 3: just buckle up and see how things are going to go.
Speaker 3: I mean that's really the only choice we really have.
Speaker 1: At this point our heads and pray, how are things
Speaker 1: at the since a police department. From a morale standpoint,
Speaker 1: you haven't any uh uh, I think getting any better
Speaker 1: because all the reports I keep getting and I'm not
Speaker 1: asking you to agree with me or disagree, but I
Speaker 1: can't find any of my since a police department friends
Speaker 1: or little birds that normally whisper in my ear about
Speaker 1: matters involved in the since police that have much of
Speaker 1: good news. And so far as morale is concerned.
Speaker 3: You know, every day is a challenge, and I've talked
Speaker 3: about this before, where it really depends on where you work.
Speaker 3: You know, some districts are tougher than others to work in.
Speaker 3: You know, some districts face more violent crime than others.
Speaker 3: You know, it's it's one of these things where I know,
Speaker 3: certainly getting our contract done and getting a significant raise
Speaker 3: certainly helps a little bit, but that's certainly not the
Speaker 3: end all be all, so and we just keep on
Speaker 3: plugging along. I know this last week, I was a
Speaker 3: couple of different trainings, and you know, we had a
Speaker 3: council member that wanted to come to show support. In
Speaker 3: my career, I don't think we've ever had a time
Speaker 3: where we have Cincinnati council members that are willing to
Speaker 3: come just to say thanks for being there.
Speaker 2: So it does seem like the pendulum.
Speaker 3: Is starting to swing badly to where law enforcement is
Speaker 3: being appreciated, but we're certainly not seeing it yet in
Speaker 3: the courts. And that's a huge impact on morale. As
Speaker 3: to your point, you go arrest somebody that's you get
Speaker 3: done fighting with and only to find out that they're
Speaker 3: going to get probation or they don't even get convicted,
Speaker 3: that certainly is something that will extremely, extremely have a
Speaker 3: big impact on morale.
Speaker 1: Well, I suppose that's a conversation you would obviously have
Speaker 1: with Connie pill It's like, listen, Connie, we would love
Speaker 1: for you to be tough on crime, and this woke
Speaker 1: nonsense obviously hasn't done any city in the United States
Speaker 1: of America a whit's worth of good. Look at how
Speaker 1: deteriorated these cities have become, look at how the reversals
Speaker 1: are happening across this country. So start on the right
Speaker 1: foot being tough on crime. I think that's a reasonable request.
Speaker 1: And then how about leaning on some of these woke
Speaker 1: judges and telling them listen that those days are over.
Speaker 1: We are not doing ourselves any service by letting people
Speaker 1: who are violent and have committed multiple crimes in the
Speaker 1: community out on no bond or with very light sentences.
Speaker 1: I think that's that's an easy ask ka Connie Billich
Speaker 1: whether the judges will listen to her. But she's got
Speaker 1: to have more poll with the woke judges than a
Speaker 1: Melissa Powers would have.
Speaker 3: Sure, I mean, you look at what went on in
Speaker 3: Seattle and San Francisco and how they're now backtracking, Yeah,
Speaker 3: trying to fix all of these crazy policies. Let's hope
Speaker 3: that Cincinnati and the elected officials learned that it did
Speaker 3: not work there and now they're all backtracking.
Speaker 2: Let's not even go there to begin.
Speaker 1: With amen to that, and real quick before we part company.
Speaker 1: Ken cob or FLP president. Any comments on the Addison
Speaker 1: police dissolving. I did help this morning when I was
Speaker 1: a kid. You know, I'm fifty nine revealing how old
Speaker 1: I am. But you know you did not You didn't
Speaker 1: go one mile an hour over the speed limit when
Speaker 1: you were cruising through Addison. You would get pulled over.
Speaker 1: It was like they had some reason. They were really, really,
Speaker 1: really tough on speeding. But overall speaking your reaction to
Speaker 1: the dissolution of the police department.
Speaker 3: There, well, you know it's the Addison police departments had
Speaker 3: had troubles for years with funding and now you know,
Speaker 3: with having their their main source of tax revenue being
Speaker 3: the plant right there on the Ohio River closing, which
Speaker 3: I saw a stat that that accounts for three hundred
Speaker 3: of their eight hundred thousand dollars a year in revenue.
Speaker 3: I mean, I get it. I mean what else are
Speaker 3: you supposed to do? I mean, I know it's a
Speaker 3: tough decision, but you have the Hamlin County Sheriff's Department
Speaker 3: that patrols in that kind of southwestern part of the county.
Speaker 3: You know they're more than capable, you know, folks, But
Speaker 3: it's a hit anytime a police department is forced to close,
Speaker 3: but I don't know what other choice they would have had.
Speaker 1: Well with that loss of funding, I tend to agree
Speaker 1: with you. I wasn't aware that that was the such
Speaker 1: a sizeable share of their budget. So any event, Hamilton
Speaker 1: County Sheriff's Office will be covering the territory, and I
Speaker 1: trust they'll do a decent job. Ken, Cover, Thanks for
Speaker 1: what you do. God bless the Cincinnt Police Department and
Speaker 1: the men and women who serve so proudly and keep
Speaker 1: us protected and safe. We have your back and the
Speaker 1: back of the police Department here in the fifty five
Speaker 1: CARSS Morning Show. Ken. I'll look forward to having you
Speaker 1: back on the program real soon, hopefully with some good news.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that'd be great, Brian, thanks for having me.
Speaker 1: Happy to do it. Good luck with your meeting with Connie.
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