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Speaker 2: How Uh, it's gouldn't be lay to do that? Is

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I mean, don't doesn't well need a tribal structure and

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you're yourself the same so needs.

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Speaker 1: Trying to well, not necessarily you see, we have to

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explore you see it. We mustn't make assumptions of necessity

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because they'll trap us. Right if you say we need

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this it it's it's an assumption. Now that could mean

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it's impossible that that m. The impossibility may arise from

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the assumption, right, That's why you would have to watch

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the assumptions. Now, hey, Uh, the point is, uh, what

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were suggesting is that we could just get together groups

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of twenty to forty and see if we can do it,

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not for the purpose of establishing a group, but for

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the purpose of exploring communication, right, and if we could,

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this might be a germ. It would uh You see,

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I say culture is shared meaning which is now incoherent.

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a kind of uh see, in the beginning of this

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group is a microcosm of the whole culture. With all

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its diversity and well not really diversity of all its incoherence.

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Speaker 3: Ah did you stop it? Andy? Oh, come on, old.

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Speaker 2: M see okay, Uh you were told me about the

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use of groups. Yes, perhaps you'd like to go on

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Speaker 1: Well, you see, I think that if we make a

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group like this, it starts out as a microcosm of

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our society and you will have in it all the problems,

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you know, people fighting over their opinions and defending their

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ages and so on. Uh, and you have to work

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through it. I think, Uh it it takes a certain

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amount of knowledge and skill and uh, somebody a facilitator

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to help. Uh people who just arbitrary try this or not.

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Speaker 1: But I think you can get through it take sustained work,

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sometimes as much as maybe a year. You see, regularly

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Speaker 2: What is this? And you're now talking about literally a

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sort of almost tribes of interest.

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Speaker 3: Tribes of interest.

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Speaker 1: Well, no, they don't have to. We would have a

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variegated group who haven't They would be interested in dialogue,

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you see, we would say why are they in dialogue?

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value of it. And therefore they form the purpose. It's

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not to impose the purpose. But if these people can

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see the significance and value, then they will have the purpose. Right,

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they will stick.

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Speaker 3: Listen. I'm gonna always bring some of the legendary thought

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leaders to the voice of reason. That was doctor David Baum,

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author of Wholeness and the Implicate Order. He was Batman

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and Robin to Krishna Murty's batman. They did several books together,

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several lectures together, and they fell out. Oh, they fell out.

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Uncle Hurty was like, you're too dependent on your wife.

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That's what he told him. Hurty was like, bruh, where

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there is real love, there are no needs. Yikes, he was.

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If i'm your friend, I'm going to tell you the truth.

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You're too dependent on your wife. David Baum hit back,

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of course, this is a genius level theoretical physicists, he said,

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And you're more of a guru, then you would like

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to mention, because you know, Christiana Murty, I'm not a guru.

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I'm not a follower. He was like, your followers treat

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you like a guru, so in fact, you demonstrate guru.

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And they fell out. I think they got back together, right,

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near the time, Kay was passing on. But the reason

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why I'm playing this because I think it's important. He's

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talking on a macro scale about communication. There's an impasse.

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He was like, tribal communication. People have their own ideas

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and agendas, and that leads me to the topic. Precious

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just be. She's a topic fairy just they just be

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showing up, like this topic came from last week's discussion

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and she said one thing, and I wrote it down

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and developed an entire topic. Tonight's topic. You're listening to

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Wholeness Wednesdays. You already know it. It is Precious Magill

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is in the building. She's gonna keep it real. The

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grill is hot. Tonight's topic, The flow of letting versus

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the strategy of vetting. All you hear all these relationship

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folks out here talking about I'll show you how to

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get a man to pick a man? You ask him

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these questions. You gotta have these kind of expectations. Listen.

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The flow of letting versus the strategy of vetting A

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deeper inquiry into whether consciousness evolves through better partner selection.

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My boy picker is broke, my woman picker is broke.

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I hear it all the time. Yes, it can never

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be broken. Get back. A deeper inquiry into whether consciousness

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evolves through better partner selection, which some of us have

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spiritualized and called discernment. Knock it off, okay, I'm sorry,

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your wound can't be discerning it okay, never mind, or

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through allowing a new self to be born inside a

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relationship letting versus vetting. This is deep deeper investigation into

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whether we have mistake in psychological screening for human transformation.

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Come on, I'm not done. A deeper investigation into why

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the wound itself calls it discernment while the emerging self

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calls it surrender. Eighty get to your phone line, get

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ready to get ready, to get ready, to get ready, to

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get ready. Before a child ever learns language, the nervous

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system begins writing scripture. Wow, and then there's that right.

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Every race becomes a sentence, Every absence becomes a definition. Yikes.

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Every inconsistency becomes a prophecy. Long before consciousness asks who

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am I, survival has already answered, become whoever keeps you connected?

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One eight hundred nine twenty fifteen eighty. We're gonna get

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it tonight need performs a miracle, It keeps the infinite alive. Then, unnoticed,

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the miracle becomes a monarchy. The needs dictate and govern

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all your choices. They must be fulfilled either by you

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or somebody else, in preferably somebody else. All the architecture

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that once served survival quietly begins governing identity. Self worth

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becomes negotiated, Love becomes verified, Presence becomes performance. Effort becomes evidence.

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You got to show me, yeah, show me, ah. The

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first environment does not merely teach relationship. It teaches consciousness

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on how to interrupt itself. Yes, precious, you started this mass.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I did the flow of letting.

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Speaker 3: Why is it that we're so afraid of letting, allowing

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letting things be? And why do we think we're smart

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enough to actually vet someone right the wounds?

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Speaker 4: So where do we start?

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Speaker 5: So there are certain spiritual principles that govern this conversation,

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and the foundational one is allowance and the art of

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allowing right versus control. And when we are going through

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the vetting process, we are looking for exclusion criteria or

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inclusion criteria, and that is a process that doesn't allow

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Speaker 4: Right, I was watching this married.

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Speaker 5: At first sight, and the lady had a criteria that

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her husband needed to make at least like one hundred

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and seventy thousand dollars a year, and they matched her

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with someone who made considerably less. So when she and

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but I made that a criteria because I thought it

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was going to get me something. But you're giving me

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something that I actually need.

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Speaker 3: I wasn't even looking for.

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Speaker 5: That she wasn't even looking for, And that's presence, very

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emotionally emotionally available to her. So this is a a

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great example of when you vet sometimes you are excluding

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someone that has a gift for you, right, And when

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you allow you get to organically see who a person is.

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Speaker 3: And just because you're hypervigilant, and does it mean you're psychic?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, well, see this is why it's the wound that's

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actually doing the vetting, telling you you need to have

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better discernment because then we can get this. Well, you

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can get that, but it might be cloaking something that

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Speaker 4: To deal with Here's the deal, pickle.

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Speaker 5: The only relationship that you're ever having is the one

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that you're having with self. So if you have all

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of these negative experiences, this person is providing the mirror

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work on. So each person is a golden teacher. We

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get upset with them and we really should be looking.

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Speaker 4: To self.

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Speaker 3: But it's hard when self is a scary place. When

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Speaker 5: Well, because we are groomed, socialized to live life in

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a certain way, and you can see evidence in this

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emergence of self is something that when they say, oh,

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don't cry, oh don't hold your pen like that. You

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pen wrong. Listen, she's a genius. Let her hold You

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want to meet about this, Let her to hold her pen.

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Speaker 3: The way she wants to.

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Speaker 4: She's coloring the wrong. Is that possible? I allowed my.

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Speaker 5: Children to be themselves. I got a lot of flak

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for it. My daughter is a master of art. Now

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she has a master's in fine arts, but she didn't

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need that. She was a master at heart with them.

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the jump. I allowed my children to express themselves. So

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Speaker 3: The precious hold on, hold on, that's the right answer, yo. Allow. Yeah,

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this is the Tao of letting versus the strategy right

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of betting. So I hear what you said, but let

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me just throw something out there.

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Speaker 4: Yes, throw it.

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Speaker 3: Wounds are really the bully in the relationship. And if

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and then how do we recontextualize that agenda for today's

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modern relationships? Be intentional?

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Speaker 5: That that is one the wound wants you to be intentional. Right,

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Speaker 6: Right.

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Speaker 5: My intention is to be present, to be open, to

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bring myself in alignment versus my intention is to find

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the right person.

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Speaker 4: A lot of times.

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Speaker 5: We are very picky, and we still pick the wrong person.

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We're hyper visual. Okay, thank you, running back spirit. It's

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not that we pick the wrong person. We're looking through

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the wrong lens. Yes, it is yourself. It's more about

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how you're showing up. Le's about how the other person

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Speaker 3: And an opportunity to seize it from the wound that's

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Speaker 5: Yeah, people are so performative because they want they want

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to have connection, so they want to know what's on

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your list. They want to show up in that way.

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I like authenticity, show me all of you, not so

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that I can pick, so that we can merge in

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the way that we're supposed to.

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Speaker 3: Gosh, do you think getting the opposite about how the

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opposite of how you feel about yourself will make you

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feel better? This is how we approach relationships. I don't

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think I'm worthy. Yeah, I don't think I deserve. Then

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we flip it, yes I deserve, but we don't really

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believe that we deserve. Belief comes on the receipt of

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what we are desirous of. Right, I'm saying no, no, no,

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see a the way you must become what you seek, Well,

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then you don't have to look nowhere.

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Speaker 5: This is the only way you in seeking, This is

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the only way you in needing. You become that which

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Speaker 4: We're there tonight, tonight, we are listen.

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Speaker 3: I had folks in the cigar lounge tonight telling me

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I wasn't born in sin. I said to me metaphorically,

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because they was listening to the show last night.

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Speaker 4: Okay, okay, okay.

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Speaker 3: To me metaphorically, the original sin is need, and the

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was a survival mechanism for childhood that you carried into

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your adulthood. Stay right there, don't go nowhere, Lord have mercy.

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that internal whatever we have taken in determines basically what

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there is something like life and mind and folded in everything.

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Speaker 1: Well, so see, I think the difficulty is this fragmentation.

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into bits like this nation, this country, this industry, this profession,

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and so on, as they can't meet, and it's extremely

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hard to break into that now. The second, but that

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comes about primarily because thought has developed traditionally in a

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way such that it claims not to be affecting anything,

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but just tell you the way things are. Therefore, people

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cannot see that they're creating a problem and then apparently

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trying to solve it. That s let's take the problem.

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What problem do you like? Pollution or the ecology? See,

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the ecology is not in itself a problem. It works

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perfectly well by itself. It's due to us, right, it's

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a problem because we are thinking in a certain way

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by breaking everything up in each person's doing his own

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thing right now, Therefore, the ecological problem is due to thought. Right,

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I must solve it. Now. That doesn't make sense because

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simultaneously thought is doing all the activities which make the problem,

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and then there's another set of activities to try to

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overcome it. You see, it doesn't stop doing the things

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which are making the ecological problem. Or the national problem

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or whatever the problem is. The earth is one household. Really,

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we're not treating it that way, right, So that's the

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first step in the economics is to say the earth

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is one household and all that it depends on. It's

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all one, you see, So now the implicate order would

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help us to see that, to see everything and fools everything, everybody.

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Speaker 3: Okay, I'm sorry, I know, I let him ride. Doctor

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David Baum talking about the implicate order. But psychologically speaking,

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when he's talking about this psychological fragmentation, a psychologist will

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call that the ego, right, the sense of me. Christianna

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Murti would call that the center. You think you can

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discern who your partner is, right, vet them out based

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on a performance that you've got to buy, because when

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you buy their performance, you consent to the version of

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themselves they sold to you. Now, allowance is coming, that's

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coming from another level of.

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Speaker 4: Consciousness, completely different side of the room.

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Speaker 3: And we're afraid to allow Why logical nudity, vulnerability, openness,

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all of the things that you mentioned in the first

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thirty minutes, these are things healed people do, or let

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me say it in another way, people do. Right, They're

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not afraid to put themselves directly in alignment with more pain.

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Speaker 4: Talk to me, yeah, this is.

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Speaker 7: You.

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Speaker 5: Ask a question like why do people do this? They're

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afraid of losing themselves?

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Speaker 3: Stay right there, Okay, they're afraid of losing themselves. Don't

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lose that. When I come back, I need you to

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dive deep will into why they're afraid of losing themselves.

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Speaker 8: So why does good sex X so often faid, even

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for couples who continue to love each other as much

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as ever? And why does good intimacy not guarantee you

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good SA contrary to popular belief? Or the next question

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would be can we want what we already have? That's

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the million dollar question, right? And why is the forbidden

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so erotic? What is it about transgression that makes desire

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so potent? And why does sex make babies and babies

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spelerotic disaster in couples? The fatal erotic blow, isn't it?

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And when you love how does it feel? And when

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you desire how is it different? These are some of

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the questions that are at the center of my exploration

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on the nature of erotic desire and its concomitant dilemmas

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in modern love. So I travel the globe, and what

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I'm noticing is that everywhere where romanticism has entered, there

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seems to be a crisis of desire, a crisis of

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desire as in owning the wanting desire as an expression

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of our individuality, of our free show of our preferences,

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of our identity, desire that has become a central concept

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as part of modern love and individualistic societies.

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Speaker 4: You know, this is the first time in.

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Speaker 8: The history of humankind where we are trying to experience

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sexuality in the long term, not because we want fourteen children,

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for which we need to have even more because many

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of them won't make it, and not because it is

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exclusively a woman's merital duty.

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Speaker 6: This is the first.

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Speaker 8: Time that we want sex over time about pleasure and

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connection that is rooted in desire. So what sustains desire

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and why is it so difficult? And at a heart

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of sustaining desire in a committed relationship, I think is

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the reconciliation of two fundamental human needs. On the one hand,

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our need for security, for predictability, for safety, for dependability,

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for reliability, for permanence, all these anchoring grounding experiences of

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our lives that we call home, but we also have

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an equally strong need men and women for adventure, for novelty,

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for mystery, for risk.

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Speaker 3: Andy, who was that Esther Perrell? I should have known

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from the accent and she was cooking. But I would

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say in the opposite direction, back to anchoring need, right,

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the need of the other, the need of the person.

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And this ties us back to what you were talking

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about when we first came forward, and that is the

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fear of yourself.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, this self that people fear losing is something that

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they are building in a linear sense, like you get

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all this foundational knowledge, going to school, achieving certain things.

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People are building themselves, but usually in the more that

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my allergies excuse me. Usually the more you're building, it's

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away from the true self. This is why a lot

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of times people make it to the pinnacle of their

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career and they have a sense of a breakdown, like

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I've done all these things and I'm still not happy.

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This is a gift, this feeling of dissatisfaction because there's

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no more to achieve, but there's something to be And

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this is usually when people start navigating themselves to I

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want to just take a year off of work and

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find the true meaning of life.

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Speaker 4: You the true essence of who you are.

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Speaker 5: This cannot be built, It has to be allowed. It

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is an emergence of self. And if we look at

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our relationships in that same way, we will move away

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from the vetting process and be open to allowing a

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person to just be themselves. So what does that mean

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If I'm going on a date with you and I say, hey,

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I don't like that kind of language, don't curse around me.

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Speaker 4: Okay, fine, you'll.

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Speaker 5: Get the performative self of the person versus if you

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can't tolerate that type of language, then go be somewhere

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where they don't speak that way. Allow people to be

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who they are truly. I'm gonna get married so that

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I can. Then I'll be good then and I'll just

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sleep with one person. No, that's not for you, right,

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You're trying to fit into something in a sense of

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building yourself to be something instead of allowing who you

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truly are.

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Speaker 3: Now, strip it all the way down. If I have

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a strategy, yes for vetting, strip it all the way

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down to the ground. Yeah, what are you vetting? And

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for what purpose? Right to receive to fill.

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Speaker 4: A need or to feel safety, to fill that need.

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Speaker 3: Now there's a sister in the KBLA chat. She hasn't

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She made a statement and we all know here the

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voice of reason. We accept everybody's thoughts. Jilly Tree. At

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Jilly Tree in the KBLA chat, she says, so, y'all

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jealous of Black American women? Right?

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Speaker 4: Does she see the black woman in here?

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Speaker 3: And then she goes on to say, we black women

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fought for this and we ain't going she said, and

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we ain't going it up. I don't know what going

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it up means?

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Speaker 4: This is interesting.

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Speaker 3: I don't know.

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Speaker 4: Can she only see you on the camera? Am I

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jealous of me?

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Speaker 3: Well, hopefully she can get some coherent questions in the

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chat and I'll read them. I would definitely love to

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share this platform with her. But let me just be clear.

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Allowance is a high consciousness, right, It's a high state

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of consciousness to allow. Look at how many times you

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disallow your authentic self from emerging into your conscious mind? Right?

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Are you vetting different parts of yourself? Right with regards

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to what you show to another? And if you're doing

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that to yourself, you will probably inevitably do that to others.

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Could that not then be a point of contention for

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conflict to arise in relationships.

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Speaker 4: For sure, for sure, you know it.

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Speaker 5: There's something about having social decorm right, carrying yourself in

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a certain way so that you can be in social settings.

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But this isn't what we're talking about. We're talking about relationships.

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The intimacy of relationships, whether they're interpersonal or romantic, familial,

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allowing people to be who they are. It is necessary

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to learn about the ways of society. This is what

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I'm speaking about decorm so that you can move through society.

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But we're talking about when you're getting an intimate, intimate relationship,

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you're looking for somebody that exists off of a list.

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You're cross referencing a list. Must make this amount of money,

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must have this amount of education, must be a Christian.

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You're picking these things because you think they're going to

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deliver to you a set of circumstances so that you

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can be happy, and you're going out backwards when you

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think in those terms. Look for someone that is in

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vibrational alignment with you, So you have to look at

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the vibration of who you are right in order to

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understand that my vibration cannot be captured and put on

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a list.

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Speaker 3: Listen. You are cooking in such a rarefied way. Like

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I said, when I listen to you, all these thoughts.

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Speaker 4: Start to come out. Heah, I love that.

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Speaker 3: So one of your main keys is being when we

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come forward, something in my mind just blew up. As

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Precious was talking. We're going to share it.

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Speaker 9: On the other side, Terry says, longing for a felt

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sense of connection is a primary need, especially it comes

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up when we're threatened. Emotional isolation is inherently traumatizing. This

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is wide into your nervous system. This is not cultural,

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This is not about cultural context. This is just who

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you are as a human being. Basically, connection with others

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is the best survival strategy we ever came up with

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as a species. And isn't it interesting? In this virus

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that's happening, physical connection with others is challenged, But if

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I trust us, we can still find ways to stay

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emotionally connected. I don't know if you guys saw this

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amazing YouTube that's going around of people in Italy standing

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out on their balconies singing to each other. This warmed

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my heart. They're singing to each other, only in Italy,

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with they sing I don't know quite what they do

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in Canada say oh, dear, would you like some tea

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or something? But in Italy they sing to each other.

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They're keeping the emotional connection because emotional isolation primes helplessness.

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In us, safe haven connection calms our nervous system, gives

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us emotional balance and tells us that distress is manageable.

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So then we can stay engaged with that distress. We

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can find a way through it, rather than avoiding it,

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shutting it down, fighting it.

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Speaker 3: Whoever these people think they are, they not? Who was

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that Andy Sue Sue Johnson. Okay, it's clinically sound, it's

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clinically accurate.

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Speaker 5: But there was something that Sue said. There are people

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on the balcony singing to each other. They're experiencing connection.

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What was the criteria for them to be on the balcony.

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It's just flow, It's just connection, right. This is a

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better indicator of how well will get along. If you

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sit down and you have a blind conversation and you

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get on very well with someone and there is no performance,

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it's just flow, right, You're feeling the heart, the soul

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of the person. You're gonna mess it up if you

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start asking them the education level, have they been incarcerated,

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do they smoke?

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Speaker 4: Do they drink?

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Speaker 5: Because these things have something to do with their choices, right,

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And what we really are seeking is connection. I get

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to meet people from all over the world, every walk

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of life, different experiences, and we are in session, heart

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to heart, whether they're virtual or in my office. And

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it's no judgment. I don't even need to know a

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lot of the stuff that you do and.

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Speaker 3: Precious for people who are just tuning in, Yes, tell

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them what is the topic because we just you know

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how we do. We pulled. Yes, tell them what we've

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been talking about.

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Speaker 5: We're basically talking about the difference of allowing flow in

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connection with someone versus the need for our wound to

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vet people because it is the wound.

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Speaker 4: I know that's not the.

474
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Speaker 5: Exact name or title of the topic, but it is

475
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the wound that is doing the vetting.

476
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Speaker 3: You cook it right.

477
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Speaker 5: We're bringing people up to speed with where we are

478
00:32:32,079 --> 00:32:35,319
going into our second hour. The wound is the one

479
00:32:35,400 --> 00:32:37,599
that needs you to have X, Y and Z because

480
00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:40,960
this is going to keep you safe. You can find X,

481
00:32:41,119 --> 00:32:43,359
Y and Z, it's still not going to bring you peace.

482
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Speaker 3: So the flow of letting versus the strategy of vetting.

483
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Speaker 4: That's it.

484
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Speaker 3: That's ladies and gentlemen, you've just tuned into the second

485
00:32:54,559 --> 00:32:58,240
hour of the Voice of Reason and precious and I

486
00:32:58,559 --> 00:33:02,720
are in here trip it tonight because I know it's

487
00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:06,000
counterintuitive to what you were taught. And I'm listening to

488
00:33:06,039 --> 00:33:09,519
the clinician Sue Johnson, that was just speaking. And it's

489
00:33:09,519 --> 00:33:15,640
not that she's clinically incongruent, right, she's in alignment with

490
00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:19,079
the teaching. I'm saying the teaching is wrong. Right, I'm

491
00:33:19,119 --> 00:33:23,880
saying the teaching is wrong because guess what we want? Connection?

492
00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:28,599
No one ever said why do we want connection? Right? Well,

493
00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:37,559
why does separation exist? Connection implies disconnection? Right? Is it union?

494
00:33:37,759 --> 00:33:42,920
Is it communion? Like, why do we need connection? Why

495
00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:44,519
do needs exist at all?

496
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Speaker 5: Talk to people, Well, it's that it's not that we

497
00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:53,880
need connection. It's a part of our design to be connected. Right,

498
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So we're going to connect whenever in order for us

499
00:33:57,920 --> 00:34:02,480
not to connect with other people, we will be in isolation. Okay,

500
00:34:02,799 --> 00:34:05,000
so this is something that is also a part of

501
00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:09,280
that flow. But a lot of times we build a

502
00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:13,960
design around what we need or think we need because

503
00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:16,760
we think it's going to deliver us a set of circumstances.

504
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But the reality is is when you allow the flow

505
00:34:21,079 --> 00:34:24,440
with people are afraid to flow because they're like, I

506
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don't want to make a mistake. You're gonna make a mistake.

507
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Speaker 4: You're human.

508
00:34:30,719 --> 00:34:35,199
Speaker 5: And when you are engaging the spirit, you will get

509
00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:39,760
divine intervention on how to operate. Whether it be like

510
00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:43,400
for me, I will get people will have a certain

511
00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:47,000
smell to me and it communicates information, you know, So

512
00:34:47,079 --> 00:34:50,199
if I smell that smell, I know what that means. Right,

513
00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:56,199
that means halt or the spirit will put me in

514
00:34:56,280 --> 00:34:58,840
a position where I'm not able to connect with that

515
00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:02,320
person again. So you're trying to protect yourself and that's

516
00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:08,199
God's job. So allow God to do its job. You

517
00:35:08,280 --> 00:35:12,599
stop trying to play God and allow yourself to be

518
00:35:12,840 --> 00:35:18,159
with the person authentically and see how you guys vibrate

519
00:35:18,280 --> 00:35:19,559
together in or out.

520
00:35:19,639 --> 00:35:22,280
Speaker 3: Are you saying somebody who's a control freak is trying

521
00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:24,239
to play God in relationships?

522
00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:27,400
Speaker 5: Oh, if you control freak, you're trying to play God

523
00:35:27,519 --> 00:35:31,360
period in and out of relationships. It's like going to

524
00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:34,639
your friends to see what they think. You are messing

525
00:35:34,679 --> 00:35:38,800
yourself up. This is not your friend's relationship. Do you

526
00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:41,360
not have a mind of your own? Do you not

527
00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:42,360
feel your spirit?

528
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Speaker 4: Do you not.

529
00:35:43,639 --> 00:35:48,519
Speaker 5: Trust the God in you enough to inform you that

530
00:35:48,599 --> 00:35:51,400
you have to go ask somebody so that you can

531
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go in and out?

532
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Speaker 3: That reminds me of Quincy Jones. He said, you want

533
00:35:57,280 --> 00:35:59,440
to see He said, you want to make God leave

534
00:35:59,480 --> 00:36:03,039
the room. Hmmm, the room of your life. Try to

535
00:36:03,079 --> 00:36:06,119
control everything, that's it, he said. God is your co

536
00:36:06,280 --> 00:36:09,920
pilot for life, and the moment you try to control everything,

537
00:36:10,039 --> 00:36:13,400
he'll leave you in the cockpit of your life by yourself.

538
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Speaker 4: You do you listen when we come forward? For some reason,

539
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we gonna keep cooking.

540
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Speaker 3: We got an hour number two coming up.

541
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Speaker 10: Hello everyone, welcome to Soul Sessions with Creative Mind. I'm

542
00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:29,599
Deba Bhah Maldonado. I'm here with doctor Rob Maldonado and

543
00:36:29,639 --> 00:36:33,000
we have a special guest on our podcast today, Doctor

544
00:36:33,079 --> 00:36:36,159
James hollis author of many books Young and Analysts, and

545
00:36:36,199 --> 00:36:39,000
we're so excited to share that interview. But before we begin,

546
00:36:39,079 --> 00:36:41,159
I would love for you to click the button here

547
00:36:41,199 --> 00:36:43,280
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548
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subscribe to our channel, so you did not miss an episode.

549
00:36:46,519 --> 00:36:49,960
So we had an incredible interview with doctor Hollis.

550
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Speaker 11: Yeah, well it's a dream come true for me. You know,

551
00:36:53,519 --> 00:36:57,480
we always half jokingly ask ourselves if this was a dream,

552
00:36:57,960 --> 00:37:02,599
how would we interpret this for us? Doctor Hollis represents

553
00:37:03,159 --> 00:37:07,159
the archetypal man of knowledge, holding up the lamp of

554
00:37:07,199 --> 00:37:12,079
wisdom so that everyone can find their true path. So

555
00:37:12,440 --> 00:37:16,239
it's a special interview that we did. And he's just

556
00:37:16,519 --> 00:37:20,719
full of wisdom, so generous with his time, so willing

557
00:37:20,760 --> 00:37:25,360
to share his knowledge of Youngian psychology. So thank you

558
00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:26,280
for tuning in.

559
00:37:26,639 --> 00:37:29,800
Speaker 10: And I had many many goosebumps during that interview, So

560
00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:31,880
we can't wait for you to hear it. So it's

561
00:37:31,920 --> 00:37:33,039
coming right now.

562
00:37:33,480 --> 00:37:35,840
Speaker 12: I may not have anything to do with making you

563
00:37:36,119 --> 00:37:40,519
wealthy or successful and by social standards, but it's something

564
00:37:40,519 --> 00:37:44,920
in you that is imperious, that's demanding, that is wishing expression,

565
00:37:45,039 --> 00:37:48,599
and it's about becoming who you are, and that's why

566
00:37:48,599 --> 00:37:50,320
we're here in the first place. Each of us is

567
00:37:50,360 --> 00:37:53,920
a tiny chip in a large mosaic, and we may

568
00:37:53,960 --> 00:37:57,000
feel insignificant times, but then you take those chips away,

569
00:37:57,280 --> 00:38:01,360
and what is the mosaic? It's deprived. So intividuation is

570
00:38:01,400 --> 00:38:06,639
simply a word for the natural developmental process that's built

571
00:38:06,679 --> 00:38:10,960
into us genetically, Yes, and struggle to recover a relationship

572
00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:13,480
to it and to serve that rather than you know,

573
00:38:13,599 --> 00:38:16,480
serve whatever the environmental demands might be at any given moment.

574
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Speaker 13: Absolutely, how do we do this? I mean, given that

575
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we know now there's a strong genetic component right to behavior.

576
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The behavioral genetics has given us a different perspective than

577
00:38:30,559 --> 00:38:37,639
in Jung's time of what forces are shaping our personality.

578
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So we have a behavioral.

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Speaker 14: Genetics, We have epigenetics now, our understanding of how our

580
00:38:45,360 --> 00:38:49,320
forefathers experiences are passed down to us and how we

581
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inherit those processes. And also of course the powerful force

582
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of conditioning the things we experience in our families and

583
00:38:58,719 --> 00:38:59,599
in our culture.

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Speaker 3: Andy, who is that my friend? Because they were cooking.

585
00:39:06,320 --> 00:39:09,840
James Hollis was cooking once they led him.

586
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Speaker 4: That mosaic is the connection that I speak was speaking.

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Speaker 3: Of, Yeah, they were cooking. Tonight's topic is a really

588
00:39:17,880 --> 00:39:22,039
big and ambitious topic, and I think it's important that

589
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I reframe it so you guys can get a grasp

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00:39:24,840 --> 00:39:29,400
of what we're talking about. Vetting, the strategic vetting that

591
00:39:29,719 --> 00:39:35,400
many of us do, that we recontextualize as discernment versus

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00:39:36,079 --> 00:39:40,400
the way and the flow of allowing. The reason why

593
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I'm doing this topic is because I'm not gonna push back,

594
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but I'm going to give some some context from my perspective.

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I think need is for the youth, for babies, for infants,

596
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for children. But I think we outgrow now, that's only

597
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if we do what the good doctor was talking about,

598
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and that's individuation. All of the ancient societies and cultures

599
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had a mystery system of spirituality that got you out

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of your ego, that got you out of your mind,

601
00:40:20,079 --> 00:40:27,360
that got you into a conscious stratum of oneness. When

602
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you're unhealed, oneness becomes pathological loneliness. Do you see? So,

603
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as long as the survival mechanism of need is turned on,

604
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there will be clinging, there will be desire. I need this,

605
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I need there. Do you understand all of the ancients

606
00:40:50,840 --> 00:40:55,280
knew you know, there's a pathway, Whether it's in the

607
00:40:55,360 --> 00:40:59,559
Hebrew Bible when they talk about Jacob's ladder and the

608
00:40:59,639 --> 00:41:02,679
angel was coming up and down the ladder, that's your

609
00:41:02,760 --> 00:41:07,760
spinal cord. You were talking about being in the last

610
00:41:07,800 --> 00:41:12,400
hour well, the ancient cometants, you know what the end

611
00:41:12,480 --> 00:41:15,159
of it is, or the whole desire for the ancient

612
00:41:15,239 --> 00:41:19,239
cometants through there, through the teachings of you know what

613
00:41:19,280 --> 00:41:23,440
the end was supposed to be. Every pharaoh desired to

614
00:41:23,559 --> 00:41:28,800
become a star. This is where Hollywood gets the concept

615
00:41:29,000 --> 00:41:32,840
of being a star, right, But what does a star do?

616
00:41:33,880 --> 00:41:40,920
B our Son has been being and beaman. There's not

617
00:41:41,000 --> 00:41:44,719
a lot of doing. It's being. Do you see the

618
00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:47,199
ancient Egyptians knew that it was like no, we going

619
00:41:47,280 --> 00:41:53,360
to Osiris, which later became serious b which you understand

620
00:41:53,360 --> 00:41:55,920
what I'm saying, That's what they were trying to say.

621
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I believe that Western psychology has framed it in such

622
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a way that need is a lifelong thing. And this

623
00:42:06,440 --> 00:42:10,719
is what Krishna Murty was telling doctor David Baum. He

624
00:42:10,840 --> 00:42:18,280
was saying, No, once you become love, once you embody

625
00:42:18,800 --> 00:42:24,960
the higher consciousness, the whole pursuing and bonding and connecting,

626
00:42:25,400 --> 00:42:30,079
there's no disconnection when you tap into God. There's only

627
00:42:30,239 --> 00:42:34,360
disconnection when you tap into Ego. Yes, when you tap

628
00:42:34,440 --> 00:42:38,760
into unhealed wounds. So that leads me back to tonight's topic.

629
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What is it letting versus vetting. The flow of allowance. Yes,

630
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Doctor David R. Hawkins talks about allowing very high level

631
00:42:50,199 --> 00:42:53,920
of consciousness, Yes, very high. In order to be vulnerable,

632
00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:57,360
you must allow, You must be open, You must be

633
00:42:57,519 --> 00:43:01,480
in the moment. The strategy of vetting is connected to

634
00:43:01,559 --> 00:43:06,440
what I'm getting and are you suitable to give it?

635
00:43:07,360 --> 00:43:11,119
And will there be any interruptions in the supply chain,

636
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because now I'm gonna demote you if there are. Perhaps

637
00:43:17,360 --> 00:43:20,960
this is why so many adults call it discernment, while

638
00:43:21,000 --> 00:43:26,920
living almost entirely inside of inherited conclusions. They believe they

639
00:43:26,960 --> 00:43:30,639
are evaluating another human being. Yet every act of vetting

640
00:43:30,960 --> 00:43:36,440
first passes through an invisible inheritance that predates their own memory.

641
00:43:37,000 --> 00:43:41,360
The mother room, that first room that cultivated who you

642
00:43:41,480 --> 00:43:44,760
think you are. It doesn't mean your mother was bad.

643
00:43:45,679 --> 00:43:48,159
She might have missed an opportunity here and there, and

644
00:43:48,199 --> 00:43:51,119
you may have metabolized it in some way that might

645
00:43:51,199 --> 00:43:54,880
not be good. What is a maladaptive? Maybe right, the

646
00:43:54,920 --> 00:43:59,639
mother room has already translated reality before reality has had

647
00:43:59,719 --> 00:44:04,079
even had an opportunity to speak. Perhaps every wisdom tradition

648
00:44:04,559 --> 00:44:10,360
has been circling this same mystery from different horizons Jung.

649
00:44:10,800 --> 00:44:15,920
Carl Jung asked whether we remain possessed by what we

650
00:44:15,960 --> 00:44:21,199
refuse to see hmm. Krish Na Murti questioned whether observation

651
00:44:21,559 --> 00:44:26,400
can exist without conclusion. Put that in modern day relationship,

652
00:44:26,400 --> 00:44:32,840
we it's gotta be a conclusion. The Tao refuses to

653
00:44:33,039 --> 00:44:36,599
force the river because the river never forgot how to

654
00:44:36,679 --> 00:44:42,400
become the ocean. Woo way, the Woo way, the Woo way,

655
00:44:42,599 --> 00:44:45,880
the woo wo woo, the woo wo whoop. The woo

656
00:44:45,920 --> 00:44:52,440
way suggests that life's deepest intelligence appears when compulsion releases

657
00:44:52,760 --> 00:44:58,039
its grip. Attachment theory describes the earliest architecture through which

658
00:44:58,159 --> 00:45:04,639
safety becomes internalized. Everybody's talking about safety in relationships, and

659
00:45:04,760 --> 00:45:07,719
nobody is talking about how to cultivate it within their

660
00:45:07,760 --> 00:45:11,039
own being precious? Why is that the case? Please help

661
00:45:11,079 --> 00:45:11,880
me understand.

662
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Speaker 5: Well, most of what we are taught is to look outward.

663
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It's not until you get into a state of allowance,

664
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but before you allow you have to be Because when

665
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I start to talk about people to being to people,

666
00:45:31,480 --> 00:45:33,519
they're like, well I need to know what I need

667
00:45:33,559 --> 00:45:36,480
to do. Now you're looking at it. You have to

668
00:45:36,519 --> 00:45:39,920
turn inwards and just be be still.

669
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Speaker 3: You mean like the sun.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, you just the right. The sun is being but

671
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it is not inactive. It's active.

672
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Speaker 4: It activates all of our solar system.

673
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Speaker 3: Probably the oldest symbol of God in the universe that

674
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we know of is the sun.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, that we know of, you know. But it's this.

676
00:46:03,480 --> 00:46:08,679
You have to first be willing to not know. That's

677
00:46:08,719 --> 00:46:12,320
your first step, right, and this is where people get

678
00:46:12,440 --> 00:46:17,559
afraid and they get ANTSI so that is also where

679
00:46:17,599 --> 00:46:21,760
the void enters. Move past that void, you're not you

680
00:46:21,760 --> 00:46:22,599
don't need to know.

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Speaker 4: You just have to be willing to allow the emergence

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of self.

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Speaker 3: So allowance is not seeking to arrive at a conclusion.

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So when we translate that back into so what is this?

685
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What are we doing right? What? What? What is this?

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Speaker 4: I think I had this sounds last week.

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Speaker 5: Now and it's you know, I don't care what you

688
00:46:53,199 --> 00:46:57,400
call it or what it looks like. You don't get

689
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to what it actually is until you allow yourself to

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be present and allow your partner or.

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Speaker 4: Whoever to be Then you get to see what the

692
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truth is.

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Speaker 5: And I know people think like, oh, well, these two

694
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must sit in a closet and meditate all the time.

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Speaker 4: No, I'm single ish.

696
00:47:20,039 --> 00:47:24,840
Speaker 3: No, thanks to what you don't know that was gay,

697
00:47:24,920 --> 00:47:25,920
I'm single.

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Speaker 4: Ish and.

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Speaker 5: It's the perfect ground for being what I am speaking of.

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So that means that a lot of times I don't know.

701
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I don't pretend to know either, But what I do

702
00:47:45,920 --> 00:47:51,639
know is what I am being, and I'm only allowing

703
00:47:52,000 --> 00:47:55,920
those things in my environment that are vibrationally in alignment

704
00:47:56,039 --> 00:47:56,960
with my being.

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Speaker 3: Let's take it down to the marianas trench.

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Speaker 4: Wounds gotta know, uh huh, they know everything.

707
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Speaker 3: Wounds gotta know. And even when they don't know, you

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00:48:07,679 --> 00:48:16,199
better know. Wounds are demanding. Wounds command nothing. Presence is command.

709
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Wounds are dmond. Yes, and that's what you said, and

710
00:48:21,719 --> 00:48:24,800
you promised, and you were supposed to and I believed.

711
00:48:25,400 --> 00:48:27,239
Speaker 4: Yeah. Wah.

712
00:48:28,079 --> 00:48:31,599
Speaker 3: All of that energy focused on the external. As you

713
00:48:32,039 --> 00:48:35,559
so eloquently pointed out, what happens if you turn it

714
00:48:35,599 --> 00:48:39,920
back into self and you start generating all of the

715
00:48:39,920 --> 00:48:43,639
things that are required of your person, you will find

716
00:48:43,719 --> 00:48:48,079
that those expectations of your person are no longer necessary

717
00:48:48,159 --> 00:48:51,239
for them to bring to you because you embody them.

718
00:48:51,880 --> 00:48:55,760
So when we start vetting people, who's doing the vetting right?

719
00:48:56,119 --> 00:49:01,639
Speaker 5: The wounds always the wound, because that the the awakening

720
00:49:01,719 --> 00:49:04,039
of who you are. The emergence of who you are

721
00:49:05,039 --> 00:49:10,079
recognizes God inside of self as well as God inside

722
00:49:10,320 --> 00:49:14,679
of the other. And so if you're looking for God

723
00:49:14,840 --> 00:49:17,440
inside of the other, what's your criteria?

724
00:49:17,639 --> 00:49:20,880
Speaker 3: Oh, take it deeper. If I know God is in me,

725
00:49:21,559 --> 00:49:25,159
which allows me to see God in you, then where's

726
00:49:25,199 --> 00:49:27,239
the separation between us?

727
00:49:27,320 --> 00:49:27,440
Speaker 15: Oh?

728
00:49:27,519 --> 00:49:31,559
Speaker 3: So we're back to oneness. So when you elevate the consciousness,

729
00:49:31,599 --> 00:49:37,119
you get to oneness. But when the consciousness is not elevated, stifled,

730
00:49:37,519 --> 00:49:41,719
now you're in loneliness. This is where the wound. That's

731
00:49:41,760 --> 00:49:44,760
why there's always gimme, gimme, gimme what you're gonna show

732
00:49:44,880 --> 00:49:50,199
up with. D you see unhealed? I need healed. I

733
00:49:50,400 --> 00:49:56,039
have because I am Exodus three fourteen. Speak on it.

734
00:49:56,960 --> 00:49:59,920
Speaker 5: And what people do when they're in that space is

735
00:50:00,039 --> 00:50:02,880
they start building a new list because they're gonna pick

736
00:50:02,960 --> 00:50:08,559
better next time, versus just releasing allowing. It really is

737
00:50:09,039 --> 00:50:11,639
like a Jedi mind trick. You know, when you focus

738
00:50:11,679 --> 00:50:14,960
on the self, when you allow the emergency of self, things.

739
00:50:14,719 --> 00:50:16,880
Speaker 4: Start to float in your direction.

740
00:50:17,079 --> 00:50:19,400
Speaker 5: You don't have to go get it, you don't have

741
00:50:19,519 --> 00:50:23,000
to be in a space where you go, it shows

742
00:50:23,119 --> 00:50:27,760
up like wow, here we go. Every person that you

743
00:50:27,920 --> 00:50:29,719
meet is a teacher.

744
00:50:31,119 --> 00:50:32,679
Speaker 3: Only if you're willing to learn.

745
00:50:33,119 --> 00:50:34,840
Speaker 4: That's the only way you get taught.

746
00:50:35,239 --> 00:50:35,320
Speaker 15: Uh.

747
00:50:35,559 --> 00:50:40,280
Speaker 3: The Kabalian states, when the student is ready.

748
00:50:40,079 --> 00:50:41,119
Speaker 4: The teacher appears.

749
00:50:41,280 --> 00:50:44,840
Speaker 3: See. Somebody told me today, what are you doing to

750
00:50:44,880 --> 00:50:47,159
help these youngsters? You better get out there and teach

751
00:50:47,239 --> 00:50:50,480
these youngsters. I said, no, I only teach by invite.

752
00:50:50,679 --> 00:50:53,239
Speaker 5: Yet do you know that a lot of times what

753
00:50:53,519 --> 00:50:58,559
a highly spiritually awakened meaning a person has maintenance. They've

754
00:50:58,599 --> 00:51:02,559
been doing this for a while. They build their spiritual energy.

755
00:51:03,039 --> 00:51:09,199
It is your being that edifies your environment. People will

756
00:51:09,360 --> 00:51:13,199
receive healing from you being.

757
00:51:13,280 --> 00:51:14,360
Speaker 4: And it's not always bad.

758
00:51:14,480 --> 00:51:19,000
Speaker 5: By watching you you wherever you're living, you're raising the vibration.

759
00:51:19,880 --> 00:51:23,119
This is how energy works. Versus I need to go

760
00:51:23,239 --> 00:51:26,199
and write on something and teach people what it is

761
00:51:26,239 --> 00:51:27,760
that I'm doing so they'll catch on you.

762
00:51:27,800 --> 00:51:30,800
Speaker 4: All you have to do is be. It will vibrate

763
00:51:30,880 --> 00:51:32,119
you to where you need to be.

764
00:51:32,440 --> 00:51:35,840
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, if every really being? Oh,

765
00:51:35,880 --> 00:51:38,360
I love it, I love it, I love it. We hey,

766
00:51:39,280 --> 00:51:41,239
we write up against the clock. We got callers to

767
00:51:41,360 --> 00:51:43,639
one eight nine, twenty fifteen eighty. I would love to

768
00:51:43,679 --> 00:51:46,639
hear from everybody across the country. Let's talk about it.

769
00:51:47,159 --> 00:51:53,800
If every relationship must first pass through your pattern before

770
00:51:53,800 --> 00:52:02,320
it reaches your heart, has your pattern become your actual spouse? See,

771
00:52:02,440 --> 00:52:04,239
people don't want me to talk the way I want

772
00:52:04,239 --> 00:52:09,199
to talk. Your pattern is your partner, and the physical

773
00:52:09,239 --> 00:52:14,440
manifestation or the mirror of your pattern becomes someone that

774
00:52:14,599 --> 00:52:18,920
has to fit into that pattern. And if they don't fit,

775
00:52:19,000 --> 00:52:24,159
guess what onto that? Let me say it again.

776
00:52:24,320 --> 00:52:26,880
Speaker 4: If every relationship on to the next that looks just

777
00:52:27,000 --> 00:52:27,840
like the last.

778
00:52:27,880 --> 00:52:33,159
Speaker 3: How about that? Just change your clothes. If every relationship

779
00:52:33,239 --> 00:52:37,760
must first pass through your pattern before it reaches your heart,

780
00:52:38,199 --> 00:52:41,840
has your pattern become your spouse? This is strategic vetting

781
00:52:42,960 --> 00:52:47,360
so I can secure and protect the wound. Right, if

782
00:52:47,400 --> 00:52:53,679
your partner or if your patterns possessed, has possessed veto

783
00:52:53,960 --> 00:53:00,000
power over every person you've ever loved? Why have you continue?

784
00:53:00,119 --> 00:53:05,639
You'd calling your romantic history your choices instead of your

785
00:53:05,840 --> 00:53:12,320
conditioned selections. That's it, Your conditioning is choosing. Listen, when

786
00:53:12,360 --> 00:53:15,519
we come forward, we got callers. Were gonna let Precious

787
00:53:15,559 --> 00:53:18,239
talk to these callers. Y'all want to talk to precious.

788
00:53:18,280 --> 00:53:19,679
Now is the time to do it. One eight hundred

789
00:53:19,760 --> 00:53:21,079
nine twenty fifteen eighty.

790
00:53:21,360 --> 00:53:27,800
Speaker 15: I come from the unconscious, which literally is unconscious, the

791
00:53:27,880 --> 00:53:30,840
part of us that we do not know in ourselves,

792
00:53:31,920 --> 00:53:34,960
the part that can betray us and the situations that

793
00:53:35,000 --> 00:53:39,519
we would gladly be out of, the part that can

794
00:53:39,719 --> 00:53:43,519
push us way beyond what our ego would want to do,

795
00:53:44,639 --> 00:53:48,280
and the part in fact that our ego cannot control

796
00:53:48,800 --> 00:53:53,519
without some kind of discipline and learning how to dialogue

797
00:53:53,840 --> 00:54:00,280
with the unconscious force. The dream is like a picture

798
00:54:00,880 --> 00:54:07,320
of the unconscious taken from the from the nightly point

799
00:54:07,320 --> 00:54:09,360
of view. In other words, what you do during the

800
00:54:09,480 --> 00:54:14,119
day is mirrored in the dreams from the unconscious position

801
00:54:14,320 --> 00:54:18,679
at night, so that it will appear in consciousness from

802
00:54:18,760 --> 00:54:22,960
the ego position in the dream, from the soul position.

803
00:54:23,960 --> 00:54:26,719
So what we try to do in union analysis is

804
00:54:26,800 --> 00:54:31,920
set up a dialogue between conscious and unconscious. If experience

805
00:54:32,159 --> 00:54:36,760
is not coming from the body, it is not known.

806
00:54:37,440 --> 00:54:40,800
You can say I know I am going to die

807
00:54:41,679 --> 00:54:45,400
from my head. It's something totally different to be told

808
00:54:45,400 --> 00:54:48,039
that you've got six months to live, and it's coming

809
00:54:48,079 --> 00:54:51,840
from the body that knows it is going to die,

810
00:54:52,159 --> 00:54:57,239
so that, from my point of view, to work with

811
00:54:57,480 --> 00:55:01,880
dreams strictly from the head is to end up with

812
00:55:02,119 --> 00:55:06,679
knowledge that is not necessarily going to change your life.

813
00:55:08,039 --> 00:55:12,159
Speaker 3: You wait a minute. I see where she's going. The

814
00:55:12,280 --> 00:55:15,719
language is a litlaft, but I see where she's going.

815
00:55:16,599 --> 00:55:23,760
She's saying, articulation is not actualization. Correct, That's why she

816
00:55:23,760 --> 00:55:27,280
said it has to happen in the body. She's actually

817
00:55:27,400 --> 00:55:33,719
describing the TikTok universe with all these people who know

818
00:55:33,840 --> 00:55:38,159
the right words, they got the therapy speak together, they

819
00:55:38,239 --> 00:55:44,599
can articulate their attachment style, right, and then they identify

820
00:55:44,719 --> 00:55:48,840
with it and it's like a zodiac sign to them now, right.

821
00:55:50,760 --> 00:55:56,960
But she's saying, when you gotta confront being a dismissive

822
00:55:57,000 --> 00:56:02,559
avoidant and somebody show, oh you real intimacy and love

823
00:56:03,079 --> 00:56:07,559
and what's happening in your body is saying retreat, Get

824
00:56:07,599 --> 00:56:10,840
the hell up out of here. This is your defense mechanism.

825
00:56:11,159 --> 00:56:15,639
This is what you use to survive your home. And

826
00:56:15,679 --> 00:56:21,440
this person has triggered you. Can you live in the

827
00:56:21,559 --> 00:56:28,400
trigger without judging the trigger, without condemning the feeling, Embrace

828
00:56:28,480 --> 00:56:33,599
the feeling with empathy, sympathy, love, compassion, without verdict, can

829
00:56:33,639 --> 00:56:36,079
you do that? See if you don't know how to

830
00:56:36,119 --> 00:56:39,199
do that in a relationship with someone else, is it

831
00:56:39,280 --> 00:56:41,239
a damn relationship at all?

832
00:56:41,320 --> 00:56:41,559
Speaker 4: Right?

833
00:56:41,719 --> 00:56:42,239
Speaker 3: Right? Right?

834
00:56:42,800 --> 00:56:46,519
Speaker 5: In fact, I have been pretty vocal about engaging in

835
00:56:46,559 --> 00:56:52,480
that very process, not only entertaining the things that I

836
00:56:52,559 --> 00:57:00,800
looked for, right, I had to allow indifference, or I

837
00:57:00,840 --> 00:57:04,039
had to go through the process right to it, and

838
00:57:04,159 --> 00:57:08,639
I allowed it consciously. I was very conscious about allowing

839
00:57:08,679 --> 00:57:12,559
that process. And it's not an easy one because if

840
00:57:12,599 --> 00:57:17,440
people are not showing up the way you want them to, right,

841
00:57:18,360 --> 00:57:21,280
this usually will be a cause for me to be like, Okay,

842
00:57:21,440 --> 00:57:23,519
well I just won't deal with this. That's not the

843
00:57:23,559 --> 00:57:28,239
same thing as vibrating in alignment comes that's different. That's

844
00:57:28,360 --> 00:57:33,679
rejecting a person's behavior. What I've been intentional about is

845
00:57:33,840 --> 00:57:38,840
even allowing behaviors none that are disrespectful, because that's something different,

846
00:57:38,920 --> 00:57:42,199
you know, the name abuse, that's what I should say, abuse,

847
00:57:42,280 --> 00:57:45,599
No abuse, you know. But things that were not have

848
00:57:45,719 --> 00:57:49,960
not been ideal for what I typically would have gone for.

849
00:57:51,800 --> 00:57:52,400
Speaker 4: I had to.

850
00:57:53,480 --> 00:57:58,800
Speaker 5: I've allowed myself to experience them and being choiceless in

851
00:57:58,960 --> 00:58:04,000
how I move come on choicely and even though I

852
00:58:04,039 --> 00:58:06,960
tried to make choices. I still went back with the

853
00:58:07,000 --> 00:58:11,199
soul's lesson and it's it's given me some really great lessons.

854
00:58:11,519 --> 00:58:13,360
Speaker 3: I love it. I love it. Ladies and gentlemen, you're

855
00:58:13,360 --> 00:58:17,480
listening to the voice of reason wholeness Wednesday, Precious Migil,

856
00:58:17,800 --> 00:58:20,599
she's on the grill. Listen if you want to talk

857
00:58:20,639 --> 00:58:21,880
to her. All you gotta do is call us at

858
00:58:21,880 --> 00:58:23,639
one eight hundred and nine twenty fifteen eighty when we

859
00:58:23,719 --> 00:58:27,480
come back from the other side. As we move forward,

860
00:58:28,159 --> 00:58:29,719
we're gonna go to Denver, Colorado.

861
00:58:29,840 --> 00:58:40,440
Speaker 16: Okay, good morning. This today is Lenoida fourteenth, the year

862
00:58:40,440 --> 00:58:44,559
two thousand and fourth. Yeah. In the Dear Park Monastery

863
00:58:44,679 --> 00:58:54,679
during our winter retreat last week, we learn they gota

864
00:58:55,880 --> 00:58:56,239
I have it.

865
00:58:56,320 --> 00:58:57,880
Speaker 1: I I am home.

866
00:59:00,599 --> 00:59:07,440
Speaker 16: In the here, in the now, I am solid, I

867
00:59:07,480 --> 00:59:10,679
am free in the ultimate.

868
00:59:10,960 --> 00:59:11,320
Speaker 3: I grow.

869
00:59:12,639 --> 00:59:18,760
Speaker 16: And this attack can be used for sitting meditation, can

870
00:59:18,800 --> 00:59:27,760
be used for walking meditation. When you stand, you can

871
00:59:27,760 --> 00:59:31,079
also practice I have r I'm home. And when you

872
00:59:31,159 --> 00:59:34,360
lie down you can also practice I have a right,

873
00:59:34,599 --> 00:59:42,199
I'm home. At the end of the day, you like

874
00:59:42,280 --> 00:59:48,679
to to to rest.

875
00:59:51,599 --> 00:59:55,320
Speaker 5: That was your favorite Yes, chicken out hand, mindfulness, the

876
00:59:55,440 --> 00:59:59,519
practice of being present, yes, absolutely.

877
00:59:58,960 --> 01:00:02,239
Speaker 3: And that's one of our far Eastern brothers, and a

878
01:00:02,280 --> 01:00:05,920
lot of modern day psychology is starting to pull from

879
01:00:06,000 --> 01:00:14,519
this mindfulness concept. But he sounded like an Asian version

880
01:00:15,760 --> 01:00:20,400
of a seventies soul record. The way he was talking,

881
01:00:20,480 --> 01:00:24,559
it was like get ready baby.

882
01:00:25,639 --> 01:00:26,519
Speaker 4: I love the way he.

883
01:00:29,000 --> 01:00:31,920
Speaker 3: Had a smooth, little approach to him. I loved it.

884
01:00:32,159 --> 01:00:34,920
Speaker 4: Yes, yes, but he was right on point, right on

885
01:00:35,000 --> 01:00:35,480
the money.

886
01:00:35,760 --> 01:00:40,239
Speaker 3: In order to get into flow state, there must be

887
01:00:40,280 --> 01:00:44,159
a state of mindfulness. Yes, and mindfulness is just another

888
01:00:44,320 --> 01:00:49,639
term for awareness. But that awareness can't be called awareness

889
01:00:49,679 --> 01:00:52,360
if evaluation or judgment is a part of it.

890
01:00:52,440 --> 01:00:54,960
Speaker 4: Correct, It's about being.

891
01:00:54,719 --> 01:00:56,920
Speaker 3: A lot of people don't know how to flow, yeah,

892
01:00:56,960 --> 01:00:58,639
but they know how to go. Yeah.

893
01:00:58,840 --> 01:01:00,440
Speaker 4: Like how he said, when you stand up, you have

894
01:01:00,679 --> 01:01:05,119
arrived home. That's where you are. That is your home.

895
01:01:05,519 --> 01:01:07,679
Speaker 3: Yes, well we got callers, let's get him in here,

896
01:01:07,880 --> 01:01:10,199
do it. I want to apologize for Cali's soul. She

897
01:01:10,239 --> 01:01:13,239
should have been on a segment ago, but we get

898
01:01:13,320 --> 01:01:17,800
caught up. Cali sold Denver, Colorado, get in here. What

899
01:01:17,840 --> 01:01:19,639
are your thoughts on tonight's topic?

900
01:01:21,159 --> 01:01:23,159
Speaker 17: First of all, shout out to stick my han.

901
01:01:23,480 --> 01:01:26,679
Speaker 3: Yes, y'all like him?

902
01:01:26,760 --> 01:01:33,440
Speaker 17: Oh Man Ti is he's amazing. When I first started

903
01:01:33,440 --> 01:01:38,280
my meditation practicing, I could not sit still to save

904
01:01:38,360 --> 01:01:41,440
my life. It was he was like the first person

905
01:01:41,519 --> 01:01:47,599
that taught me about the concept of like anything that

906
01:01:47,679 --> 01:01:54,599
I do can be a meditation. I can talk walking ooh,

907
01:01:54,719 --> 01:01:58,760
girls like oh okay, and now I actually can't sit

908
01:01:58,840 --> 01:02:04,159
still on the christ Yeah, but y'all topic today is

909
01:02:05,599 --> 01:02:13,719
on points so much and I am a recovering control freak.

910
01:02:14,000 --> 01:02:23,960
Speaker 7: Wh yes, so thet the difference between vetting and letting, Like,

911
01:02:24,159 --> 01:02:25,679
that's a concept that I have.

912
01:02:26,079 --> 01:02:29,519
Speaker 17: Those are concepts that I have looked at like the

913
01:02:29,599 --> 01:02:35,599
past three to four years in my life, and I oh,

914
01:02:35,679 --> 01:02:39,440
I was a serial vetter and it causes a lot

915
01:02:39,480 --> 01:02:42,039
of grief because you got this checklist, and if they

916
01:02:42,079 --> 01:02:45,119
don't put in a checklist, you're like, Okay, let me

917
01:02:45,199 --> 01:02:52,079
move around a little bit. Whereas the concept of letting

918
01:02:53,159 --> 01:02:57,880
has bought for so many like holy encounters in my life. Indeed,

919
01:02:59,280 --> 01:03:04,440
so much freedom, so much peace, And I love that

920
01:03:04,559 --> 01:03:09,880
y'all like to remind us that anytime we're experiencing conflict

921
01:03:11,199 --> 01:03:14,440
in our mind, to check in with our body and

922
01:03:15,000 --> 01:03:17,000
see where is it in your body?

923
01:03:17,320 --> 01:03:18,840
Speaker 4: Yeah?

924
01:03:19,239 --> 01:03:25,599
Speaker 17: And I noticed with this activity of letting and slow,

925
01:03:26,639 --> 01:03:30,119
Like my shoulders just in my general life have dropped.

926
01:03:30,400 --> 01:03:32,400
I think my shoulders I must have carried them up

927
01:03:32,519 --> 01:03:42,079
by my ears before. So yeah, letting it really is

928
01:03:42,119 --> 01:03:48,559
a beautiful thing. And I would invite people out there

929
01:03:48,559 --> 01:03:51,199
if you haven't tried to move in that space of

930
01:03:51,320 --> 01:03:56,440
just letting life slow, just try it, because it really

931
01:03:56,480 --> 01:04:00,920
does feel different that there's no answer to it if

932
01:04:00,960 --> 01:04:03,440
you're doing it properly, and if you're starting the feeling,

933
01:04:04,280 --> 01:04:09,159
that's that control and that betting, like tapping you on

934
01:04:09,199 --> 01:04:11,440
the shoulder, like you know, we shouldn't just be chilling

935
01:04:11,559 --> 01:04:14,880
like this, we should we should pull out our checklist.

936
01:04:15,119 --> 01:04:19,559
Speaker 4: Yeah, see check home. Yeah see see you said.

937
01:04:19,280 --> 01:04:21,679
Speaker 3: It, love it, love it, Cali Soul. Guess what you

938
01:04:21,760 --> 01:04:22,880
just did? Sweethell right?

939
01:04:23,880 --> 01:04:25,039
Speaker 17: Brought them into the house.

940
01:04:25,280 --> 01:04:28,800
Speaker 3: He Denver. Yes, if you want to bring your city

941
01:04:28,800 --> 01:04:34,360
in a building, fifteen eighty Denver, Colorado in the building.

942
01:04:34,400 --> 01:04:36,559
We got another caller on the line. Let's get her

943
01:04:36,559 --> 01:04:41,639
in here. Alexis from Long Beach, California, LBC. You already

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know what's gonna go down. What are your thoughts on

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tonight's topic?

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Speaker 18: Hey, family, Hey, hey, hey, I think tonight's topic is great.

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I also think it's relatable. I have a question, yes,

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to know at what point do you say? Okay? I

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don't judge. I'm not a control freak, but I don't

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wish to participate. Is there a way to properly identify

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your wounds through the lens the mirror that your partner

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is holding up to you step back from the commitment

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and do your homework on your own isolation. Is there

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a way to heal and go on a solo individual

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journey while physically departing from connection as a whole without

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it being considered like running away or being considered an

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avoiding If that makes sense.

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Speaker 4: So to be.

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Speaker 3: Okay, okay? She asked a heavy question. Yeah, we gotta

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let her still in't it? We're gonna answer it. On

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the other side, ladies and gentlemen, Alexis is trying to start. Man.

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Speaker 19: It was the dead of winter in Saint Louis and

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I was completing my fellowship in psychology when I had

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purchased my first brand new car on nineteen eighty seven,

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Toyota Celica. I was so excited to be able to

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afford my first new car, this white, shiny sports car.

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Speaker 3: It was my prize possession in the middle of the night. Yeah,

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I know he's gonna cook, but I've got callers and

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I don't have time for his Toyota Selica story. Who

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was that, Indy? I'm sorry, Tony Ferreddy. We'll holler back

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at you tomorrow because guess who's coming on tomorrow?

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Speaker 4: Who?

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Speaker 3: Doctor Alan Berger? Oh?

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Speaker 4: Yes, okay, our author.

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Speaker 3: Of Emotional Sobriety will be in studio.

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Speaker 4: I wanted to catch that.

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Speaker 3: It's about to be lit. Just get back to Alexis

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down in an LBC.

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Speaker 4: Yes, Alexis, you're there.

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Speaker 18: Yes, I am.

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Speaker 3: Now just tell me that question again because it was

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quite profound and I want Precious to address it.

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Speaker 18: Yeah. So the question is this, when you're in connection

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and your partner is doing what they're supposed to do,

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they trigger you, right, they have their invisible Europe and

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they're showing you your wounds. Is it possible that rather

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than continuing to participate in the connection, that you can

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actually pivot and separate and still do that same healing

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in isolation mode. So you have to participate.

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Speaker 5: So the answer is yes, you can. And if you

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want to look at this from an awakened elevated awakened state.

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Speaker 4: You don't have to make any choices.

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Speaker 5: You can recognize that the way they're showing up is

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triggering you, and then you can focus on that work.

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Stay focused on the spirit. It's you don't ever have

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to leave anyone. You can just keep vibrating, focused on

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the spirit. It will take you where you need to go.

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They may do you a favor and leave you no

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take sometimes Now, well, I mean you could look at

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it that way, but this concept of working on like

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for example, you know me, well, I left my last marriage, right,

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if I would have been in a higher state of consciousness,

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I would not have left. I would have just stayed

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focused on the spirit and allow things to go as

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they may, participating in the things that I feel called to.

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This whole leaving does not have to happen. People will

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go where they need to go. Right, stay focused on

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the spirit.

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Speaker 3: But I would ask the question I have a question

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for you, alexis why why would you want to leave?

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If it wasn't like abusive, but it was triggering. So

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we take abuse off the table. If abuses on the table,

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get the hell out of there. Don't ask questions. Now

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there's no abuse but yet you still want to leave

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because you're triggered. Why why do you want to leave.

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Speaker 18: I'm at the point in my life now where connections

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are becoming less and less romantic and more about the

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spiritual aspect. I'm looking at it less about romanticism, and

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I'm seeing people as spiritual lessons. Yeah, so when you

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look at an connection as more of not to make

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it sound like that, but like an assignment. Right, that

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person is my teacher, really, whether they know it or not.

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Sometimes they're teaching me through really positive experiences, and sometimes

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they're teaching me through very negative experiences. And a lot

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of times they're not aware of this, but I know

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what it is. You know what I mean. So that person,

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that's their contract. This is a contractual agreement. And once

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they've served their purpose, they're now a catalyst. And they

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served their purpose and now it's up to me to

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do what I need to do. So it's about me

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and what I'm supposed to be doing and less about them.

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So when you think about it that way, it's less

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about what I need to do with you and me

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smiling in your face and being around you, and it's

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about me and how I need to work through this

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energy and how I need to heal the things that

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you brought up and stirred up within me. That's really

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where I'm not with this, So just why It's not

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about a fight or flight type of feelings for me

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right now. It's more so about, oh my God, thank

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you for showing me what I need to work on.

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Let me go do that.

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Speaker 4: So just do the work better the.

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Speaker 18: Next time I show up, you know what I mean?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, do the work and don't You don't have to

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be in secret about it, be honest about how you're

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showing up. Yeah, I'm not feeling that I'm going to

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do this and I eventually am moving in this way.

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Just stay focused on the other thing, because like, if

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it's safe, it's someone that you're in relationship and then

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they start cheating, right, I'm gonna break up.

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Speaker 4: I'm gonna leave you.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, before you start focusing on that, focus on yourself.

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What is this bringing up for you? What is it

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that God is saying to you? What does God have

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for you that will journey you to where you need

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to go. Now, if there's a marriage here, of course

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there are certain steps that need to be taken.

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Speaker 4: But fighting and all this exercises and futility.

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Speaker 5: Stay focused on the spirit right and if you're not

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in a committed relationship with someone, you really don't have a.

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Speaker 4: Big speech that you need to make. Just stay focused.

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Speaker 3: You know, you know you don't have to do a speech.

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Is crazy? I love it, It's true.

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Speaker 4: But they still want to hear from you.

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Speaker 18: That's the problem that that really is. Yeah, it's easy

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for me to disconnect, it's not so easy for them.

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And then, you know, when you got the good energy,

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it's not.

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Speaker 5: You know, but the spirit, you turn it over to

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their Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Alexis, guess what you just did, sweetheart.

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Speaker 18: Baby, I done brought long beats all up and through there.

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Speaker 3: In the building. I love it. I love it, I

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love it.

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Speaker 4: Today was fun.

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Speaker 3: Today was great. You have you lifted my spirits.

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Speaker 4: To a I love you brother, Yes, yes, this was I.

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Speaker 3: Love you too, sister, Thank you. This was powerful. Precious,

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I need folk to go see you. How do they

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come see you? How do they pull up?

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Speaker 5: Well, you just go to with precious dot com. And

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I know it's working because your listeners aren't calling me.

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With Precious dot com, you can even schedule yourself or

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and if you go to Facebook, I'm just phenomenal chain.

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Speaker 3: I love it, I love it. Please go to with

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Precious dot com. I have some questions. If embodiment never

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ask permission from your past, right, why does your past

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continue demanding permission from your future? God, if every tomorrow

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must first receive approval from yesterday, at what point did

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memory quietly become your highest authority instead of reality. Suppose

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your greatest relationship fear has never been abandonment. Suppose it

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has always been the death of the identity abandonment created.

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Which loss are you actually protecting? So you think you're discerning,

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you think you're vetting. But if you haven't, and I

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always say this, won some internal self wars, cast out

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your own demons, performed a self exorcism. You're going to

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be in a state of some kind of dependence. You're

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going to be depending on them to make you happy,

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on them to make you feel like you're worth it.

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I'm telling you, if listen, we start the conversations.

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Speaker 4: It's up to you to finish the.

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Speaker 3: Voice of reason and Precious in another holeness with stay

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with Fireworks. I'll be back tomorrow with another slapper. I

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love y'all, See you tomorrow, Dudeeez