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Speaker 1: What is up Pelsiko's I am Dan Velly coming at

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you with a very brief introduction. I went on the

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so Judium a solid does really good work over there,

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to talk about NBA players who need a change of

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scenery head of the deadline. He will get into the

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criteria we set out, but it was to avoid us

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just talking. Oh, Jimmy Butler needs to go, Zach Lavine

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needs to go, so we set a different sort of

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criteria for it. Very interesting discussion, had a bunch of

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very interesting names and teams come up. So I think

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trade in trade season, but especially if we are close

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to the trade deadline. A lot of fun stuff and

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fun discussions happening with that though. Let's talk to Jack Quantrell,

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the Drop Step NBA podcast about well, I guess I

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should say allow Jack Quantrell, the Drop Drop Step NBA

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podcast to talk to me about NBA players we think

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need a change of scene.

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Speaker 2: Hello, and welcome back to the Drop Step Podcast. I

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say drop Step podcast. It's a bet of a Hardwood

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Knock crossover episode because I'm joined by the one, the

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Only Dan for Varli Dan. You put out podcasts and

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videos at a rate of knots, but I'm assuming I've

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caught you for your first podcast of twenty twenty five.

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How you feel, man? You excited to kick off the

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new year on the drop Step feet.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm super excited, and you did catch me. We

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did have a podcast go Live to Open two Thatoy

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twenty five, but we recorded it in twenty twenty four.

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It was on the Seiver, my first on camera podcast

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work of twenty twenty five. So I'm stoked to disseminate,

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pick up where I left off and keep disseminating these

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Speaker 2: Absolutely. Yeah, let's get it down in the record books.

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It's a big one today. But we are talking about,

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you know, some teams or some players might have New

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in the spirit of that, it's players that might need

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a change of scenery. So I was inspired to suggest

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this episode to Dan when I watched his Trade Deadline

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Big Board episode. I'd recommend you guys all go and

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check that out because that was a fun couple of hours.

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But I thought there are some players. Yeah, it was

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a couple of hours that it was good. It kept

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me insertained, I was wrapping presents and everything. It was great.

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But I would say that there are some players that

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aren't necessarily in the trade room or mill at the

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moment that I look at and to me, I think

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they really might need that change of scenery. If they

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were to get it, maybe you we'd view them in

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a new light, or you know, maybe there were players

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that you mentioned in that episode, Dan, where I look

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at Zach Levine, for example, who I think he was

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maybe number one in that video for you, and I think, yeah,

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he might be on the trade block, but he doesn't

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need a change of scenery. He's doing perfectly well in Chicago,

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great numbers at the moment, So we're kind of tackling

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like a similar topic. But I'm excited for it. And

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how did you interpret this when I said change of scenery?

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Did you go for guys that are strictly like in

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the rumor bill or did you look and go I

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can see a diamond in the rough. It's just he's

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buried at the end of a certain team's rotation.

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Speaker 1: It was a mix because you have there are certain

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guys in the rumor miment I think absolutely belong in

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that discussion, but you also kind of I figured there

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might be overlaps, so I'd have contingencies too, but they're

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guys that aren't. Maybe they've been mentioned in trade speculation,

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but they're not actively in these rumors, to think could

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they shoulder a bigger role or what would they look

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like on other teams? So I have my list is

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probably will end up being predominantly populated by Okay, there

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expecting this, but it's predominantly probably populated by maybe team

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maybe some people started thinking about this, but it's not

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in a new scenario. But I do have some trade

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rumor mill favorites, and one guy that you spoke about

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on your podcast podcast video. It goes out on so

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many channels these days, Dan was brandon Ingram, and I

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rumor mill at the moment, he's the one that has

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probably reached the end of his tenure with the New

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Orleans Pelicans, obviously having nose struggles renegotiating his extension at

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with the Pelicans, and I feel like the team fit

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isn't there anymore. You know. He had this sort of

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like piece of slop if you're going by you noble

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terms drop and it's that the only three players that

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are untradeable in the New Orleans Pelicans franchise at the

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moment are Herb Jones, Trey Murphy the Third, and Eve

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Mec And two of those three players play in the

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position that brandon Ingram plays. So you sort of look

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read between the lines, and I think that he absolutely

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needs to get out of New Orleans. Was he a

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name that across your mind or were you trying to

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just sort of say, i've spoken about brandon Ingod for

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six months, maybe we'll look for someone else.

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Speaker 1: No, he's on there. It is interesting though, because I

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started to wonder if is it that New Orleans. New

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Orleans needs him to change teams more than he needs

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to change teams, because I look at it from brandon

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Ingram's perspective and it's You're right about the fit. It's

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been iffy for a few years, and they kind of

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they convoluted it, even while in theory they convoluted it

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even more if they were going to be a full strength,

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which apparently they were never going to be, because even

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brandon Ingram myself is injured at the moment. Yeah, the

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fit's gotten bad, progressively worse, I'd probably argue, or at

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least it's the same, And we've always kind of known

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they need someone who They always viewed brandon Ingram as

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just him and Zion operated on such different wavelengths. It

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never made sense to me. And if he wasn't going

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to be someone who could run a bunch of two

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man stuff with Zion or be the off ball, high

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volume three point shooter. He always kind of wondered why

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wasn't why weren't they shopping him sooner? And it was

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because they were hedging against what they're dealing with now,

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where I felt like they were building their team in

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the image of Zion is our tent pole, but we

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need to be able to exist without him. And that's

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like the territory that brandon Ingram occupied, which I think

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was just flawed because I think it led to a

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bunch of just half measure type moves or three quarter

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measure moves, and it's put it in a weird situation

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where Okay, well, now he's in a contract year. It

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might like he's he's a better fit on different teams

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if they want to build around him or just make

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him a clear cut on ball number two or something

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along those lines. But I'm also just looking at New

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Orleans and it's are you gonna lose him for nothing

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in free agent? Like I'm curious as to because if

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they don't trade him, they're gonna pay him something, and

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so he's gonna get paid no matter what. So it's

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it's mutual where I think both of these teams, like

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both of these parties just just need to move on.

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picked his teammate as one of my guys in Zion Williamson.

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I think needs a chance.

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Speaker 2: Let's tie this together. Give me the Zion pitch because

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we haven't been able to see that. You know, it

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hasn't worked on court this year because I think he's

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only played sort of like five or six games so far.

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It's been tensalizing when he's been on the fold. But

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that's like the story of his career so far, right.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think you could. If I'm New Orleans,

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I've seen people just more like should you trade Zion

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for expiring contracts or should you just wave him if

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you can get out of it because of the non

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guarantees on it. I'm not to that degree for them,

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like I'm holding on to Zion Williamson unless someone's giving

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me something. But just looking at it, could he go

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somewhere else? Will they handle like his body any differently?

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view it from. It's just time like this hasn't worked out,

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go somewhere else, or maybe they view you as this accessory,

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a number two or another number three. Maybe they're not

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putting the ball in your hands as much, but they're

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gonna have you set more screens. And there are you know,

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at least two players who are better than you on

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the roster, or at least, let's say, even one player

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who's better and more important than you on the roster.

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the ESPN piece that came out. I don't know if

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it was January first or December thirty first, from Bobby

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the one league source that quoted if I ran a team,

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I would do something stupid to get Zion Williams in.

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it won't pan out. But to get a shot at

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someone who you know, when he is healthy forever long

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he is healthy, that he is one of the top

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fifteen players in the NBA, that's a really big deal.

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of his value to where I think if you set

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or equivalent at one point five that the Pelicans get

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for Zion Williams in most people are taken the under

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on that, and so if it's gonna cost me a

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first round pick, I'm just doing it. And so it

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just feels like it's time. And also, but this is

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long winded, could we just get him on a team

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with better spacing. That's something New Orleans has never really

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see is forever many games he plays, let's see him

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next to at least three, but preferably foreshooters at all times.

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of those points because to me, Zion is one of

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the best two level scorers in the league, and you

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that one and a half zone, sort of like twelve

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feet and in basically, but he doesn't really threaten from

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beyond the line. He can sometimes, you know, start his

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struggle starters pick and roll like beyond the three point line.

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due course. But you know, day Zion got to Charlotte,

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and you pair him with Brandon Miller and you pair

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him with LaMelo Ball do players who I think are

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currently averaging the most three point attempts as an NBA

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duo in NBA history at the moment, but two players

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that also kind of struggle with that recreation, struggle to

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get to the hoop, and it's alwayst like you fix

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both of their problems for them, where like you said,

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of space, but he's never dealt in sort of ideal conditions.

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a space set floor and I'd like you to run

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twenty five thirty pick and rolls again. And unless you

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have Zion as the roller, you're going to have someone

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that you can really help off, or you're going to

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a head esteam, but it's going to cramp that paint

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most if things worked out really well. Are is like

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the Kyrie Irving to Dallas trade when you speak about

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Speaker 1: That's your tap. Sorry, It's interesting because so we know

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Zion can ball, and we knew Carie the bar even

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if he's going through that stuff, it's just he's never

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been healthy enough. And so it's if he does go

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somewhere else and end up playing more, it'll be fascinating

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to see, Well, did something else happen behind the scenes.

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Was it a chance in mindset or approach from him

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from the team, or did this team just get super

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lucky and had New Orleans held on to him? And

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that that's why you don't trade Zion. Williamson too, by

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the way, is well, if he just go somewhere is

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healthier for the next two to three years and contributes

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to being the second or even third best player on

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a contender, but I'm just I'm at the point for

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both it's exhausting. It's New Orleans really probably just New

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Orleans really just needs to hit the reset button. And

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so that's another I think vote in favor of kind

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of if you can get a first round pick for Zion,

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they go ahead, and you're not taking on any really

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bad money, just go ahead and do it, like let's

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let's rip off this band aid already.

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Speaker 2: And they they actually have the capital and they obviously

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have the standing in the in the NBA this year

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in the Western Conference to do so, because they're going

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to be getting a guy that you could potentially sell

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to the franchise as or fan base rather as a

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franchise guy going for forward. You know, if they are one, two,

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three in this twenty twenty five draft, suddenly you can say, hey,

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we've got Cooper Flag who needs Ion Williamson, We've got

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Dylan Harper, and you've got this long, extended runway. But

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that could also be a little bit of a cause

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of like, oh, we've got this other young star that

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we com pair with Zion. We can move on from Brandon.

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He's on rookie, he's on the rookie contract scale, so

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our salary doesn't have to get like two insane, which

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is something that the Pelicans always try to avoid. He's

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he's the player for me. Where I think if you

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trade him or you don't, it kind of just gets

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you fired because if you trade him, it's an admission

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that you did the wrong thing and you've mismanaged this

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entire situation. Like you said, he probably could have got

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a lot more for him around the twenty twenty three draft.

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Where we've sort of been spoken about is like you

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could trade Zion for the number two or the number

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three pick. And if you trade him and he goes

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to a team sort of ala Kyrie Irving and he

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contributes to a conference finals run, a finals run, a championship,

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you know you're getting fired then, because it's just going

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to be we gave up back for what. So I

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don't know. Is there anywhere around the league where you'd

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like to see him?

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Speaker 1: Oh, that's an interesting question. The Warriors have been mentioned.

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They would be fun. You mentioned Charlotte. I think that

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could be pretty fun. Ideally he would end up on

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like in Okay see with some five out lineups. But

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that's just not that's not feasible when you like and

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they don't need him. Honestly, Golden State's the one that

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intrigues me the most is kind of him around Steph Curry.

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And then you have Draymond there is not really a spacer,

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but you do have some requisite shooting. I wouldn't hate him, well, no,

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I probably would hate him there. I was gonna say Houston,

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but I don't really love it. You know, when team

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would be really fun. But to get to the money

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as a struggle right now the Clippers would be.

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Speaker 2: Insane that I would be so worried about that. It's

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just sort of curse franchise after curse franchise, Like, hey,

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we're moving on from Kawhi Leonards. We're gonna get in

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a star that you can rely on Zion Williamson. It's

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it'd definitely be an interesting one. I think that they

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can make the money well, I think that the Dallas

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Mavericks could make the money work. It's just one of

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those where it's like, are you going to be that

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team that sacrifices the depth, goes out and forms a

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big three? And if you already have this floor of

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like Luka and Kyrie, do you want to sacrifice that

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floor for like the ceiling of You've seen what this

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team can do in the NBA Finals, maybe they can't

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get over the hump against the elite of the elite

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in the NBA. That's something that could just about work

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because Zion unlike a Jimmy Butler, who's another player that's

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been linked to Dallas. He's on thirty seven million dollars

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this year, and you can make it work without it

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completely reckon the depth on that monster. So that's the

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other team. But I like the Golden State shout as well.

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Was sort of like Andrew Wiggins brought a ton of

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value to them as a rebounder during their finals run

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as well. So someone to bring a little bit more

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physicality to like an old school duo of Stephan Draymond

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could be interesting.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, if only Zion rebounded better, that would actually probably

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make a lot more sense too. He's like a tough fit,

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which is also why it gets really interesting. You can't

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just like throw a team out there. I thought about

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the Spurs for a minute too, just because if Weinby

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is considered a floor spacer, then like you can play

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another big man type who's not so much of a

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floor spacer, and if it's really only it costs you

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a pick, and for the Spurs, it's like, all right, well,

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Harrison Barnes, Zach Collins, Kelden Johnson will send you two

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of those guys. Yeah, picked maybe one of the flyers on,

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like one of the lower level youngsters. That would be

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an interesting spot. I don't love this functionally, but like Toronto,

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just trying shit, like hashtag, let's just try it and

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see what happens. And I think you can even make

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a case just with where they're at in their development,

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Washington could be somewhat fascinating, but I don't trust that's

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another cursed franchise. Like you said, you might want to

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keep them keep him away from there.

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Speaker 2: We spoke pre pod and I said that I did

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a Utah Jazz podcast that I really enjoyed, and that's

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the kind of boost that I'd maybe like to see

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because their team was sort of like funky spacing, and

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they could just say this year, oh you know, Zion's

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out for the season, go and get that draft pick,

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and then you maybe really launched at the twenty five

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to twenty six season, having traded for a star at

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the dear of his value.

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Speaker 1: Honestly, you know what team to be really fascinating, Brooklyn,

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because Jordi Fernandez is an offensive wizard. I mean like

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they've had the trade dudes to get worse on offense,

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Like that's how Kem Thomas got injured, and with just

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Dennis Shruder basically running the show, they were still like

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top ten and a half court efficiency. So you throw

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Zion there, he's not ruining your tank this season because

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by that, like he's probably not gonna play enough, and

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then you want a tank again next year. You're not

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gonna be good enough with Zion and whoever you draft

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to to not get a really high draft pick. And

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then it's okay, now we got two really high draft

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picks around Zion. Maybe we've taken we've slow played it

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this half season and then next full season, and then

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we've now built something there and so they see him

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under that type of offensive creativity. I would love that

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that Actually that wasn't a team that immediately spreaded by.

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That might be my favorite potential as it would be Brooklyn.

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I just don't know what are they giving up at

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the stage of their development in are they gonna throw

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a Knicks pick or a Phoenix pick towards I probably

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I'm not throwing a I'm not throwing a phoenix Actually

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did they even own any more phoenix pick? I wouldn't

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consider throwing. Yeah, I'd probably consider throwing it, or a

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Taoist pick that's like so far in the distance. I

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would consider it though, just to take a flyer on Zion.

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Speaker 2: I'm not gonna lie, yeah, exactly. Like imagine if Ben

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Simmons could score that, that would be the scenario because

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they've made them work on the court this year and

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he's an expiring contract, so New Orleans again can get

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off that money. You just attach pit capital there. Maybe

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they're interested in Cam Thomas, who knows, you know, it's

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it's a scenario that can maybe well. I think what

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we figured out in the first like fifteen minutes of

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this podcast is Zion Williamson still very much has a

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potential market. And you know, we're speaking about him as

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that like one and a half picks over under. I'm

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starting to lean more over because we're talking about a

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lot of interesting scenarios for him. So let's see, danve,

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You've got one more team.

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Speaker 3: For us.

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Speaker 1: For a Zion fit or I heard do you.

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Speaker 2: Want to go play it? Should we move on from Zion?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I was saying when you said the over one

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point five draft picks, I'm I am the GM that

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would give it up too. They're not gonna be like

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great draft picks, but I would absolutely do and I'm

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not gonna lie. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it a heartbeat. It's a heartbeat. I butcher on

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Zion Williamson and two guys in the twenties, you know,

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And obviously we'd be the gms that do that trade

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and then suddenly stuffer the Brooklyn Nets like fall from

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Grace and then you're giving up a Jayalen Brown. But

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what about it in the chairs at the.

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Speaker 1: Moment, because you could play him with Jalen Johnson. That's

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a small front court though. Yeah, him him getting you're

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definitely placing him off the ball with Trey Young, but

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that's someone that he's gonna have to screen for. And

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then like you could run dual big picking rolls with

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him and Jalen.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the defense would.

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Speaker 1: Probably be toast though. I would just be I'd be

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You'd be kind of hard pressed. There are a handful

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of teams that I would like you throw him on

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Denver would be really fun, but I don't I don't

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really know what that does for them. He's just so fun.

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So if he's gonna play, you could talk me into

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basically any team, just if it's gonna cost one or

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two whatever first round. But you probably talked me into

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any team acquiring him. I'm not gonna lie.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think so, And they'll be franchises around the

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league to just say I don't want anything to do

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with that guy. But hopefully it works out and it

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makes at least someone looks stupid, whether that be us

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or you know, the GM that lets him go. Poor

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old David Griffin if it ever gets to that. But Dan,

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can you hit us with another player that you want

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to talk about?

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Speaker 1: So I think I'm gonna just tackle this from a

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group perspective because I can't settle on one. We got

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to start trading some Kings guys. And I'm gonna say

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I was initially thinking Keegan Murray because they've marginalized him

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so much on the offensive end. But I think realistically speaking,

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is you need to figure out a way to open

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up more opportunities on offense for Keegan Murray, and that's

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going to come by way of trade League Monk. Already

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you've seen his you have de Marty or trade Demart Rosen,

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then that was there. It's not that those two need

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to be mutually exclusive. But even we've seen a huge

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dip in Keegan Murray's true usage, which just you know,

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calculates everything he does on the offensive end, playmaking, shot attempts,

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the whole nine. We've also seen a huge drop from

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Malik Monk because you've added someone who is so ball

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dominant into Martin Rosen, and you have Daron Fox at

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the peak of his powers, and you have Domasa Bonis.

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So I would argue that you need to trade to

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Martin Rozen or Malik Monk to like really optimize this

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team and unlock some of the players that are already

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in there. I know Fox is the one who's in

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the rumor mail. I don't think he's playing pretty well

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this season, like he's gonna contend for an All NBA

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spot as of right now. He doesn't need a change

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of scenery, and they would pay him. I think you've,

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like the Kings who created this team where they've effectively

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kind of marginalized everybody except the Aaron Fox, which is

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he's the last person that should be marginalized. But you

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just have you overcompensated, I think with the DeRozan acquisition,

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so I would say Malik Monk Order Rosen and the

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bigger one. For me, I held out hope for a

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little bit. We're two games, I believe in the Doug

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Christie ten years we're recording this, and he's played a

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total of thirty three minutes in those two games. Get

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Kean Ellis out of there. If they're not going to

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play him and use him properly, just put him somewhere else.

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I don't know what the concern is at this point.

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Is he technically too small for you? Does he not

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give you the three point volume? Fine? Whatever, I think

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that's dumb. But he needs to be on a new

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team if this is the if he's going to be

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even forget, I think he played twenty minutes in their

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00:21:31,039 --> 00:21:33,559
last game. Even forget, I'd like to see that ratcheted

477
00:21:33,599 --> 00:21:37,000
up by at least five to seven minutes. The inconsistency

478
00:21:37,000 --> 00:21:39,519
of it, of just like his playing time kind of

479
00:21:39,920 --> 00:21:43,200
swinging from game to game. It's inexcusable. And now I

480
00:21:43,240 --> 00:21:46,079
think you can say that it's spanning two coaching ten years,

481
00:21:46,319 --> 00:21:48,160
so it might be a little bit early into the

482
00:21:48,200 --> 00:21:50,920
Doug Christie experience to say that, But I thought part

483
00:21:50,920 --> 00:21:52,519
of the reason they wanted to get rid of Mike

484
00:21:52,519 --> 00:21:56,119
Brown was they thought their roster wasn't being managed properly.

485
00:21:56,160 --> 00:21:58,160
But I guess it all just comes down to the

486
00:21:58,200 --> 00:22:02,640
crunch time record. So free kean Ellis And honestly, it

487
00:22:02,640 --> 00:22:04,960
wouldn't surprise me just based off the contract he's on,

488
00:22:05,039 --> 00:22:06,880
in the team control you have if they got a

489
00:22:06,880 --> 00:22:09,319
first round pick for him. So I don't think they

490
00:22:09,319 --> 00:22:11,160
should trade him. I think they should play him, but

491
00:22:11,200 --> 00:22:13,240
they're not playing him enough, so he needs a change

492
00:22:13,240 --> 00:22:13,720
of scenery.

493
00:22:14,640 --> 00:22:17,400
Speaker 2: Couple of things. Elite Monk was the number two player

494
00:22:17,400 --> 00:22:19,880
on my list, so great lines, great minds think alike

495
00:22:20,000 --> 00:22:22,759
Dan absolutely same thinking there where It's just you've got

496
00:22:22,839 --> 00:22:26,559
DeMar in and I figured, like I'd be surprised if

497
00:22:26,599 --> 00:22:28,759
they moved DeMar given what they gave up in the summer,

498
00:22:28,799 --> 00:22:30,799
given it's only been a couple of months, and it's

499
00:22:30,839 --> 00:22:33,240
like if another team was truly interested, they would have

500
00:22:33,240 --> 00:22:35,920
been the team to pay the balls or like try

501
00:22:35,920 --> 00:22:38,039
and swing that sign and trade for him in the summer.

502
00:22:38,079 --> 00:22:40,119
So I think that you're committed to demand one way

503
00:22:40,200 --> 00:22:42,680
or another. And with him on the team, you just

504
00:22:42,759 --> 00:22:45,799
have such a clear like we should stagger the usage

505
00:22:45,799 --> 00:22:48,599
between Fox in the starting minutes, DeMar carries your second

506
00:22:48,720 --> 00:22:51,480
units and like overlaps with Fox a little bit, and

507
00:22:51,519 --> 00:22:53,839
that completely gets rid of the function of the sixth

508
00:22:53,839 --> 00:22:55,799
Man of the Year last year, where it was like

509
00:22:56,799 --> 00:22:59,200
Milite Monk was setting bench units on fire. He was

510
00:22:59,279 --> 00:23:01,680
absolutely fun, fantastic when he got to play against these

511
00:23:01,720 --> 00:23:03,599
second units, he got to show that he could be

512
00:23:03,640 --> 00:23:05,799
far more of a playmaker than we ever thought. I

513
00:23:05,799 --> 00:23:07,680
think he's got a fantastic roy of pick and roll

514
00:23:07,720 --> 00:23:10,960
parsing when he actually gets the chance. He's a great,

515
00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:13,640
great shooter. He's a guy that can play next to stars.

516
00:23:13,799 --> 00:23:15,960
He's a guy that can play in starting units. But

517
00:23:16,079 --> 00:23:19,079
at the moment, it's just like it's such a two

518
00:23:19,240 --> 00:23:22,480
k lineup that Sacramento are running right now, where it's like, oh,

519
00:23:22,519 --> 00:23:26,000
we've got D'aron Fox, Malik Munk, and DeMar de Rosen

520
00:23:26,599 --> 00:23:28,359
and then like, oh yeah, this guy that can space

521
00:23:28,400 --> 00:23:31,839
from the corner in Keegan Murray. It's it's a little

522
00:23:31,880 --> 00:23:34,599
bit fanciful and I'm absolutely with you. I wouldn't have

523
00:23:34,599 --> 00:23:36,880
said key on Ellis just because he needs to play

524
00:23:36,880 --> 00:23:39,559
for that team if it's going to work. And Kevin

525
00:23:39,640 --> 00:23:41,720
Hurt was someone that I wanted to see traded before

526
00:23:41,759 --> 00:23:44,640
the season even started because they already look crowded at

527
00:23:44,640 --> 00:23:48,160
the shooting guard and I don't know what deal he

528
00:23:48,240 --> 00:23:50,400
has there, but he keeps sort of getting starting minutes

529
00:23:50,480 --> 00:23:53,599
or like big rotation minutes. So something needs to change

530
00:23:53,599 --> 00:23:56,920
in Sacramento, ideally before they move on from Daron Fox.

531
00:23:57,759 --> 00:23:59,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean at this point that I think the

532
00:23:59,400 --> 00:24:02,599
Aaron Vox situation is fade to complete that there, I'd

533
00:24:02,599 --> 00:24:04,359
be a little bit surprised if he gets traded by

534
00:24:04,400 --> 00:24:06,359
the deadline unless he asked her out. But it's over.

535
00:24:07,079 --> 00:24:09,200
You've you've kind of tipped your hand as a franchise

536
00:24:09,240 --> 00:24:10,920
again that you don't really know what you're doing. And

537
00:24:10,920 --> 00:24:12,759
this isn't to say that Mike Brown was the answer,

538
00:24:13,039 --> 00:24:15,759
but your lack of alternatives and just the way you

539
00:24:15,799 --> 00:24:19,000
handle this entire process from his extension to the roster

540
00:24:19,160 --> 00:24:21,519
construction of all knowing. Even if you liked the de

541
00:24:21,559 --> 00:24:24,559
Mard Rosen acquisition, where both my co hosts and I

542
00:24:24,599 --> 00:24:27,119
we were skeptical, but it was oh, for what you

543
00:24:27,160 --> 00:24:29,079
gave up, you might as well try it, but then

544
00:24:29,119 --> 00:24:30,759
to still come into the season with some of the

545
00:24:30,799 --> 00:24:34,000
other same weaknesses and question marks around them. And just

546
00:24:34,039 --> 00:24:37,920
to reinforce both of our points here, So looking at

547
00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:41,319
the true usage like biggest declines this year, of the

548
00:24:41,359 --> 00:24:44,119
three hundred and ninety eight players as we're recording this

549
00:24:44,160 --> 00:24:46,720
who have logged at least five hundred minutes, the Kings

550
00:24:46,759 --> 00:24:51,759
have four players in the top fifty of true usage declines,

551
00:24:52,119 --> 00:24:55,039
and they have two in the top twenty, being Demart

552
00:24:55,160 --> 00:24:57,920
Rosen and Elik Monk, and the other two are Keegan

553
00:24:58,000 --> 00:25:01,160
Murray and then Kevin hurt in there and they've kind

554
00:25:01,160 --> 00:25:03,640
of it probably benefits Kevin Hurder. I'm not gonna lie

555
00:25:03,680 --> 00:25:06,000
to have a slightly smaller role just because the type

556
00:25:06,039 --> 00:25:07,720
of shots that they acquired him for he all of

557
00:25:07,720 --> 00:25:11,599
a sudden started hitting. But like you don't want to,

558
00:25:12,240 --> 00:25:15,119
you know, sometimes smaller roles are like the way that

559
00:25:15,160 --> 00:25:16,960
what Dallas has done with the healthy Luca this year,

560
00:25:17,039 --> 00:25:19,240
moving him off the ball a little bit more. Someone

561
00:25:19,279 --> 00:25:22,000
who's that high usage. But when we're talking kind of

562
00:25:22,039 --> 00:25:24,880
these aren't top tier guys. I mean Tamar Okay, fine,

563
00:25:24,920 --> 00:25:27,079
his usage is coming down. He was high usage, but

564
00:25:27,640 --> 00:25:31,200
Malik Monk and Keing and Murray specifically, like those weren't

565
00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:34,599
really players that should have had room to be marginalized.

566
00:25:34,720 --> 00:25:37,319
So and King and Murray specifically is just I understand

567
00:25:37,319 --> 00:25:39,400
he wasn't a big creator, but the whole point is

568
00:25:40,079 --> 00:25:42,519
to continue developing him, and you've now put yourself in

569
00:25:42,519 --> 00:25:45,200
a situation where you've to me, pigeonholed him on the

570
00:25:45,240 --> 00:25:48,160
offensive end. So I don't I don't think he needs

571
00:25:48,160 --> 00:25:50,119
to change your scenery because he's developed into a hell

572
00:25:50,160 --> 00:25:52,920
of defender there, but there needs to be players around

573
00:25:52,960 --> 00:25:54,759
him who need to change your scenery so that he

574
00:25:54,799 --> 00:25:58,240
can get proper scenery. I don't really know that's more phrasing,

575
00:25:58,319 --> 00:25:59,480
but that's where I'm at.

576
00:26:00,279 --> 00:26:03,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, like, not only if you pigeonholed him

577
00:26:03,279 --> 00:26:05,720
on the offensive end, it's really on the defensive end,

578
00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:08,160
where last year you were asking him to take every

579
00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:12,440
single primary matchup. You know, Gogard, Luca, go guard, Jason Tatum,

580
00:26:12,519 --> 00:26:14,599
go guard, you know, whoever you want to pick. Whichever

581
00:26:14,680 --> 00:26:16,720
star it was that the Sacramento Kings were playing, it

582
00:26:16,759 --> 00:26:19,039
was probably going to be Keegan's job. And now that

583
00:26:19,039 --> 00:26:21,359
Harrison Barnes is out of there. They're also like, could

584
00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:24,119
you kind of be our secondary rebounder as well. I

585
00:26:24,200 --> 00:26:26,279
know that you're taking on all of these style matchups,

586
00:26:26,359 --> 00:26:28,359
but we also need you to help out Domas on

587
00:26:28,400 --> 00:26:30,960
the glass because Damara isn't going to attack with the

588
00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:33,640
same ferocity that Harrison Barnes might have, you know, once

589
00:26:33,720 --> 00:26:37,079
upon a time. So he's got through so much defensive

590
00:26:37,160 --> 00:26:39,480
usage that even if he had the energy, like even

591
00:26:39,519 --> 00:26:41,400
if he had the space within your offense to do it,

592
00:26:41,480 --> 00:26:43,680
I really wonder if he'd have the energy to like

593
00:26:44,079 --> 00:26:47,240
get into his heavy you know, heasy game, isolated at

594
00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:48,599
the top of the key, whatever it is that you

595
00:26:48,599 --> 00:26:50,400
want to see, Keegan, because the poor guy is just

596
00:26:50,440 --> 00:26:53,039
being run into the ground on the defensive end.

597
00:26:53,240 --> 00:26:55,319
Speaker 1: And that's a great point because this was the case

598
00:26:55,400 --> 00:26:57,599
last year, into the case again this year. He's second

599
00:26:57,759 --> 00:27:01,119
on the team in rim contest for seventy five possessions,

600
00:27:01,119 --> 00:27:03,279
like only the don't. It's because the bonus is a

601
00:27:03,319 --> 00:27:05,720
center Otherwise if the kid. Honestly, if the Kings had

602
00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:07,799
their druthers, they would probably have Keegan Murray lead them

603
00:27:07,799 --> 00:27:10,839
in that category just based off their personnel. So you're right,

604
00:27:10,880 --> 00:27:14,279
he's he's overstretched on that end, which makes it more

605
00:27:14,319 --> 00:27:16,519
blasphemous by the way, he's clearly not gonna pitch it

606
00:27:16,559 --> 00:27:18,880
on the glass or is the you know, help side

607
00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:22,079
like basket protector. But ke On Ellen's a great defender,

608
00:27:22,160 --> 00:27:24,720
can take on many of the perimeter assignments like Keigan

609
00:27:24,799 --> 00:27:27,440
Murray is forced to cover, and to me, that makes

610
00:27:27,519 --> 00:27:31,240
his I think of all the players we mentioned the like,

611
00:27:31,279 --> 00:27:35,000
what's most inexplicable is this team's view of Keon ellis

612
00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:36,880
to me, I think is because at least you come

613
00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:39,200
up with excuses for well, if they don't make the

614
00:27:39,279 --> 00:27:42,079
Damar move. There's no trickle down effect for Malik Monk.

615
00:27:42,279 --> 00:27:45,200
There's not as dramatic of a you know, true usage

616
00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:48,400
decline for Keegan Murray. Uh, But like because they're just

617
00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:50,799
not Like Kean Ellen shouldn't be impacted by I guess,

618
00:27:50,839 --> 00:27:52,799
like you said, there's the glood of guards, he really

619
00:27:52,839 --> 00:27:54,920
shouldn't be impacted by any of that. Like he's plugging

620
00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:57,000
play on the offensive and you don't need to guarantee

621
00:27:57,039 --> 00:28:00,160
him touches or shots, And so I still find his situation.

622
00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:02,680
If I had to pick one player from that team

623
00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:05,680
that needs a change of scenery, and especially because we're

624
00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:08,000
tackling this from the player perspective, I think it's ke

625
00:28:08,119 --> 00:28:08,640
On Its.

626
00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:12,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, And obviously Keon hasn't played a tom for the Kings.

627
00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:14,599
I think he saw a lot more usage towards the end,

628
00:28:14,799 --> 00:28:16,359
or like a lot more minutes on the court towards

629
00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:18,720
the end of that second season for him in Sacramento

630
00:28:18,839 --> 00:28:22,200
last year. But his true shooting percentage year on year

631
00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:25,920
has gone sixty three percent sixty three percent. And then

632
00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:28,160
this year, you know, we're talking about why isn't he playing.

633
00:28:28,279 --> 00:28:30,599
Maybe it's a shooting slump, Maybe he like you know,

634
00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:33,119
can't shoot the ball from the corners anymore. No, it's

635
00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:36,160
sixty six percent true shooting for Keon Ellis this year.

636
00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:38,839
So not only could he be your defensive guy, but

637
00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:41,079
he is the perfect player where you could just say

638
00:28:41,119 --> 00:28:43,599
to d'aron Fox, go and run your forty picking rolls,

639
00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:47,119
Demard Rosen, go and isolate to your heart's content, because

640
00:28:47,119 --> 00:28:49,119
we have a guy on the court that does not

641
00:28:49,359 --> 00:28:52,359
need any sort of like creation rep or anything along

642
00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:54,559
those lines. You can just rely on him to do

643
00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:57,240
his job. So yet it's it's a little bit baffling

644
00:28:57,359 --> 00:29:00,599
as it stands. I think you're right that they could

645
00:29:00,599 --> 00:29:03,240
probably pull a first round pick. The only scene that

646
00:29:03,279 --> 00:29:05,559
seems to like have a glut of these Keon Ellis

647
00:29:05,559 --> 00:29:08,200
style players is the Memphis Grizzlies, where they've got like Scotti,

648
00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:12,119
Pippen Jr. Jay Huff, you know, Jalen Wells. I know

649
00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:14,480
that's just a second round pick. Gg Jackson as well

650
00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:19,160
signed to these incredible second round pick Deuce McBride's style deals.

651
00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:22,680
But yeah, Keon would just be useful anyway. He's like

652
00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:24,680
one of the few players that even the Phoenix Suns

653
00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:25,200
could trade for.

654
00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:29,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, and honestly, he's like a little bit on the

655
00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:32,519
tinier end, but they could use him. I even thought,

656
00:29:32,599 --> 00:29:35,519
like would because I believe they could trade this year's pick.

657
00:29:35,559 --> 00:29:37,960
I'd have to double check that, Like, would Boston just

658
00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:40,160
give you two first for him, because doesn't Keon have

659
00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:44,200
another year of cost control? Or am I misremembering on that?

660
00:29:46,039 --> 00:29:48,920
But like if he has another year of team control

661
00:29:49,559 --> 00:29:53,480
and you're a really good team, like maybe you're two

662
00:29:53,480 --> 00:29:55,440
first round picks is probably a stretch, but like you

663
00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:58,880
give up one without even thinking about it, just because

664
00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:01,559
you're already expensive and so you want someone who's played.

665
00:30:01,559 --> 00:30:04,319
But yeah, he has another year left on his deal

666
00:30:04,400 --> 00:30:06,599
after this one at two point three million. So these

667
00:30:06,839 --> 00:30:08,559
these teams that are in the second apron and maybe

668
00:30:08,599 --> 00:30:11,359
you have multiple picks, Yes, you protect the hell out

669
00:30:11,359 --> 00:30:13,759
of the second one, but it wouldn't shock me. It

670
00:30:14,039 --> 00:30:16,640
would not shock me. That's it's probably too ambitious. And

671
00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:19,319
by the way, the King would be complicit if you

672
00:30:19,359 --> 00:30:21,559
don't think his trade value is where it should be,

673
00:30:21,559 --> 00:30:24,319
because had he maybe played more, it'd be easier for

674
00:30:24,359 --> 00:30:27,079
teams to justify giving up a first round pick or more.

675
00:30:27,119 --> 00:30:28,799
I think, to be clear, I think two first round

676
00:30:28,799 --> 00:30:31,160
picks is overkill. But like, ye, if I'm just a

677
00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:33,519
team that's good and somehow has like it, like the

678
00:30:33,599 --> 00:30:36,880
Magic is an example, just their own first round pick

679
00:30:36,880 --> 00:30:38,079
is not gonna be good. They kind of had that

680
00:30:38,119 --> 00:30:40,000
Denver first round pick. Yeah, I give up my two

681
00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:43,039
two twenty twenty five seconds for Keon Ellis. I don't

682
00:30:43,039 --> 00:30:45,119
know if he's exactly what ke On el is exactly

683
00:30:45,119 --> 00:30:47,240
what they need, but like that's the type of situation

684
00:30:47,279 --> 00:30:49,400
that could probably talk themselves into going a little over

685
00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:49,799
the top.

686
00:30:50,440 --> 00:30:53,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, if the Knicks had any sort of draft capital left,

687
00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:57,440
they be the team that I don't like. No, I'm sorry,

688
00:30:57,440 --> 00:30:59,599
I don't like that fake Washington pick. I don't feel

689
00:30:59,599 --> 00:31:01,799
like even if they traded for Zion and he's an

690
00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:05,200
MVP straight away, I don't feel like that's gonna, you know,

691
00:31:05,279 --> 00:31:08,160
translate anytime soon. So I think that that's gonna stay there.

692
00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:08,799
And I think that.

693
00:31:10,359 --> 00:31:12,640
Speaker 1: Another perfect example though, because you would give up that

694
00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:14,640
pick I don't know what seconds they have left, and

695
00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:16,720
that they would give up their most recent first round

696
00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:20,079
pick and become nattier in addition to that one like

697
00:31:20,119 --> 00:31:22,160
you would give up that, That's not one you would

698
00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:23,519
think about. But I mean, I don't know why the

699
00:31:23,599 --> 00:31:26,400
Kings would be interested, un as they're really high on

700
00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:29,960
like that Wizard's pick. Conveying like that would be that

701
00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:32,400
would be like that type of team would be able

702
00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:35,240
to talk themselves into giving Okay, they're not high end

703
00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:37,880
of first round picks, but we've technically given you to

704
00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:40,160
quote unquote two first round picks.

705
00:31:40,599 --> 00:31:42,759
Speaker 2: And I think the reason why I'd led with I

706
00:31:42,839 --> 00:31:45,160
wanted to lead with Milie Monk, who you actually led

707
00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:48,680
with as well, Dan, is you could peasically move Milik

708
00:31:48,799 --> 00:31:50,759
Monk and you could bring in a player in a

709
00:31:50,799 --> 00:31:53,680
position of need with his salary slot with the other

710
00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:56,119
salary on the roster as well, so it's like, we

711
00:31:56,160 --> 00:31:58,759
don't have to give up on this straight away. We

712
00:31:58,839 --> 00:32:01,359
can try and actually get a power forward. Have you

713
00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:03,960
ever heard of a power forward the Sacramento Kings in

714
00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:06,400
the building where it's like Keegan Murray doesn't have to

715
00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:10,160
be superman on the defensive end night after night. And

716
00:32:10,359 --> 00:32:12,559
we haven't even mentioned Devin Carter's name yet. Made his

717
00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:15,039
G League debut a couple of days ago, drop twenty

718
00:32:15,119 --> 00:32:18,759
nine points phenomenal. So he's another guard that is going

719
00:32:18,839 --> 00:32:22,240
to have to find pt for Doug Christie Sacramento Kings

720
00:32:22,279 --> 00:32:24,519
or you know whoever they get in to replace Dug eventually.

721
00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:27,799
So nothing needs to change the scenery if anything, is

722
00:32:27,839 --> 00:32:31,279
crowded in the back court in Sacramento. So let's get

723
00:32:31,319 --> 00:32:35,200
away from there and let's talk about another guard that

724
00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:37,480
probably needs to move. To my mind, he's a player that,

725
00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:43,599
like I think, if you asked fans, analysts, GMS, they

726
00:32:43,599 --> 00:32:47,240
would all have wildly differing values on this player. And

727
00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:50,640
that's Anthony Simon's For me, it feels like his time

728
00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:53,440
has sort of come in Portland a little bit. I

729
00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:55,480
think if he was going to be this team's true

730
00:32:55,559 --> 00:32:57,960
number one or number two, he would have grasped that

731
00:32:58,119 --> 00:33:00,200
even in the midst of a rebuild sort of last

732
00:33:00,279 --> 00:33:03,079
year got through plenty of usage, and it's now a

733
00:33:03,119 --> 00:33:05,759
stage where that usage is declining. It seems that Shaden

734
00:33:05,799 --> 00:33:08,920
Sharp is sort of usurping him on the offensive end,

735
00:33:09,119 --> 00:33:11,359
and the shooting percentages have started to drop. You know,

736
00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:14,960
Anthony Simons, who has had insane shooting development from the

737
00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:17,559
time that he was a rookie. He's currently shooting thirty

738
00:33:17,599 --> 00:33:20,400
three percent from three this year, and that's not good

739
00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:23,799
for a guy that sort of almost exclusively operates behind

740
00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:25,799
the arc. So he's someone that I think kind of

741
00:33:25,839 --> 00:33:28,279
has to get moved on a team where kind of

742
00:33:28,359 --> 00:33:32,000
like the Sacramento Kings, they need to do some spring cleaning.

743
00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:36,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that's another good pick there. That's because that's

744
00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:40,160
a team that's just like, Okay, you're questioning the direction here,

745
00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:43,720
and yeah, yeah, I'm with you on that one. That

746
00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:45,640
and that's one. It's weird that it feels like it

747
00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:50,720
hasn't been He's been talked about approximately forever, but he's

748
00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:52,880
never really been like linked to tangible trade rumors. And

749
00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:56,880
I think the Blazers are so look like they have

750
00:33:57,000 --> 00:33:59,720
so little shooting right now that even just the idea

751
00:33:59,720 --> 00:34:01,720
of him being a threat. As you said, his percentages

752
00:34:01,759 --> 00:34:04,480
are down, but like he's there only off the dribble

753
00:34:04,519 --> 00:34:08,039
three point threat right now, and he's got in theory

754
00:34:08,119 --> 00:34:09,760
like he's just going to be one of your better

755
00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:12,719
floor spacers because the defenses actually respect him. But it

756
00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:14,840
would be nice to see him settle in to a

757
00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:16,800
team where he can either maybe it's coming off the

758
00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:20,519
bench or just being their third option where he's passed

759
00:34:20,519 --> 00:34:22,920
with maybe less playmaking and it's just hey, you need

760
00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:26,519
to score, not fully like in the Lou Williams Jordan

761
00:34:26,519 --> 00:34:28,639
Clarks in Realm. I actually think that he's more dangerous

762
00:34:28,639 --> 00:34:31,480
as an off the dribble perimeter shooter, but he feels

763
00:34:31,519 --> 00:34:34,599
like someone who he can open up the floor for

764
00:34:34,679 --> 00:34:37,039
a team that doesn't have a ton of spacing. But

765
00:34:37,079 --> 00:34:39,440
he also just fits right into any like if you

766
00:34:39,440 --> 00:34:42,239
already have pretty good spacing, like he'll just elevate that.

767
00:34:42,320 --> 00:34:44,920
So he's like this nice blend of plug and play,

768
00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:47,840
but also he can create for himself and a little

769
00:34:47,880 --> 00:34:48,599
bit for others.

770
00:34:49,559 --> 00:34:51,360
Speaker 2: The one team that really doesn't need to trade for

771
00:34:51,400 --> 00:34:54,840
Anthony Simons the Sacramento Kings, So fingers crossed that doesn't happen,

772
00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:56,639
but you know, the way that we've been talking about

773
00:34:56,679 --> 00:34:58,480
the Kings in recent baits, you know, I'm not going

774
00:34:58,559 --> 00:35:02,400
to rule that out. He was like a trade machine

775
00:35:02,440 --> 00:35:06,119
favorite over the summer because he's in this scenario where

776
00:35:06,159 --> 00:35:09,079
like they either need to extend his contract, and that

777
00:35:09,199 --> 00:35:13,320
extension had like a it had a confusing number on

778
00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:15,519
it because I think, like I said, dependent on you ask,

779
00:35:15,639 --> 00:35:18,280
you either view him as like this Jordan Clarkson type

780
00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:20,000
where it's like, oh, he's going to be a six man,

781
00:35:20,039 --> 00:35:22,079
he's going to be a bucket getter, and then some people,

782
00:35:22,239 --> 00:35:25,239
like in the analytics community, because he's been such a

783
00:35:25,239 --> 00:35:28,239
good three point shooter over the years, probably have a

784
00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:30,440
much higher value on him than that. And it felt

785
00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:33,199
like he kind of had to get moved because Portland

786
00:35:33,239 --> 00:35:35,559
wasn't ready to really do anything at least this year.

787
00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:39,639
But I think he was kind of linked to Orlando

788
00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:42,400
last year. I don't know if that was just you know,

789
00:35:42,679 --> 00:35:44,719
fans looking and going, hey, this is a team that

790
00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:48,679
needs three point shooting. Anthony Simon's come on down. But

791
00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:52,440
he's one of these players that looks really tradeable because

792
00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:54,679
of the spacing threat, because of the off the dribbles,

793
00:35:54,719 --> 00:35:57,239
three point shooting. But then when you have teams that

794
00:35:57,280 --> 00:36:00,840
are increasingly committed to an identity on the defensive end,

795
00:36:01,159 --> 00:36:03,920
not trying to hide anyone, and if you're hiding anyone,

796
00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:06,920
it's going to be your number one offensive player. I

797
00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:10,639
think he's becoming a little bit harder to place than

798
00:36:11,960 --> 00:36:14,400
you know that the average fans bow user might think.

799
00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:17,360
And he's a player that my estimations, he's really sort

800
00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:20,159
of like he rose early on in his career. And

801
00:36:20,199 --> 00:36:22,159
now I really don't know what to do with Anthony

802
00:36:22,159 --> 00:36:24,480
Simons because I don't really want him running a ton

803
00:36:24,519 --> 00:36:27,519
of pick and roll much rather him as that more

804
00:36:27,559 --> 00:36:30,440
off ball threat, maybe like your sixth man scorer, almost

805
00:36:30,440 --> 00:36:35,000
a Norm Pale type player. But yeah, he's a he's

806
00:36:35,039 --> 00:36:37,400
a confusing one. And to me, I fully respect your

807
00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:39,400
point about like the spacing and they just need three

808
00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:42,559
point threat. I would quite like to see him move on,

809
00:36:42,719 --> 00:36:44,639
And I'd still like to see Scoop get a chance,

810
00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:48,400
even if that seems to be you know, a bust

811
00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:49,280
of a pick at the moment.

812
00:36:49,840 --> 00:36:52,159
Speaker 1: Yeah, and also he's only one year left on his

813
00:36:52,199 --> 00:36:54,239
deal because as you mentioned about the extension, and so

814
00:36:54,320 --> 00:36:56,599
his trade value already peaked and they kind of missed

815
00:36:56,639 --> 00:36:59,519
the boat on that. And then for him, you probably

816
00:36:59,519 --> 00:37:02,719
want him if you're If you're him, excuse me, you

817
00:37:02,760 --> 00:37:04,639
want to be in a situation where maybe you can

818
00:37:04,679 --> 00:37:07,880
contribute to a higher level of basketball to prove your

819
00:37:07,920 --> 00:37:10,239
worth in this next contract, because you're one of those

820
00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:13,599
middle class now free agents for people on deals where

821
00:37:13,599 --> 00:37:15,199
if you don't extend with your own team and you

822
00:37:15,239 --> 00:37:17,679
head into the open market, it feels like anything could

823
00:37:17,679 --> 00:37:20,480
happen because I'm not comparing him necessarily to dis players.

824
00:37:20,519 --> 00:37:23,559
Look what happened Malipe Easily over the past two years

825
00:37:24,039 --> 00:37:26,840
or Gary Trent Junior specifically this season. I think Hanfrety

826
00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:30,599
Simons he's more He's more dynamic than both of those guys.

827
00:37:31,159 --> 00:37:33,440
But like, what is he going to get if he

828
00:37:33,480 --> 00:37:35,159
goes into the open market and you're coming off from

829
00:37:35,199 --> 00:37:37,800
a team where your percentage is slumped. Maybe let's see

830
00:37:37,800 --> 00:37:40,199
what he did yet next year and the team wasn't good,

831
00:37:40,519 --> 00:37:43,280
So how are other teams going to value you? I

832
00:37:43,280 --> 00:37:45,639
still love Orlando as a destination for him, by the way,

833
00:37:45,679 --> 00:37:47,599
I think people want them to like go after someone

834
00:37:47,679 --> 00:37:50,239
who's like bigger and better, but he would be like

835
00:37:51,119 --> 00:37:53,360
there's like any team. He's also young enough to wear

836
00:37:53,360 --> 00:37:55,360
if you're rebuilding and you just want your the guy

837
00:37:55,519 --> 00:37:57,760
in house because you gave up a first round pick

838
00:37:57,840 --> 00:38:00,000
or something to get him, and you think that he's

839
00:38:00,159 --> 00:38:02,440
just going to streamline the development of others because he

840
00:38:02,519 --> 00:38:04,960
is a good floors baser. You could you could talk

841
00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:07,079
me and like I thought about the Lakers for him

842
00:38:07,639 --> 00:38:10,039
before the Dennis Ruder trade with Golden State, Like he

843
00:38:10,079 --> 00:38:13,159
would have been an excellent fit there. You could even

844
00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:15,679
like he's I don't know if he's better. He's probably

845
00:38:15,679 --> 00:38:17,199
better than jail and Green if he used to want

846
00:38:17,199 --> 00:38:19,039
to go that route, but you have Jalen Green already,

847
00:38:19,039 --> 00:38:21,280
so that's not necessarily a good one. He'd be really

848
00:38:21,320 --> 00:38:23,320
fun the Quippers again, But can you get to that

849
00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:26,440
money without including Norman Powell because he makes so much

850
00:38:27,639 --> 00:38:29,280
He's hitched a bunch of different spots.

851
00:38:30,559 --> 00:38:33,119
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's a fun piston in my book, Like if

852
00:38:33,119 --> 00:38:35,760
you want to form like a bat called Trio Cage

853
00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:38,440
Jade and Ivy Anthony Simons and he sort of decide

854
00:38:38,440 --> 00:38:40,079
on a night to night basis who's going to be

855
00:38:40,119 --> 00:38:43,039
starting if the Toronto raptis And I don't think they

856
00:38:43,159 --> 00:38:45,559
do this because they've invested so much in the manual quickly,

857
00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:48,480
like if they wanted to trade that Bruce Brown contracts,

858
00:38:48,519 --> 00:38:52,000
their two contracts that line up pretty logistically in like

859
00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:55,039
a trade scenario that could work out. And I kind

860
00:38:55,039 --> 00:38:56,760
of always just want to see players get to the

861
00:38:56,800 --> 00:38:58,639
Utah Jazz because I want to see what Will Hardy

862
00:38:58,719 --> 00:39:01,719
does with him. Kind of of like another player that

863
00:39:01,840 --> 00:39:05,320
missed the boat a little bit was Colin Sexton originally,

864
00:39:05,360 --> 00:39:08,039
and he's had to go to Utah, rebuild his value,

865
00:39:08,159 --> 00:39:10,519
find himself in a slightly different role. And I think that,

866
00:39:10,599 --> 00:39:13,800
you know, maybe if Utah moves on from a Colin Sexton,

867
00:39:13,920 --> 00:39:16,360
Anthony Simons can just be the next Colin Sexton in

868
00:39:16,440 --> 00:39:18,000
Utah where he gets to have a lot of fun

869
00:39:18,119 --> 00:39:21,800
in a really well spaced system and like set himself

870
00:39:21,880 --> 00:39:25,119
up for that contender trade because at the moment, like

871
00:39:25,199 --> 00:39:27,360
you said, I really like the Lakers' name as well.

872
00:39:27,840 --> 00:39:30,400
Do they think he's done enough in his career to

873
00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:32,559
where they know he can contribute in a playoff setting.

874
00:39:32,599 --> 00:39:35,119
It's a mist like you might need to put another

875
00:39:35,159 --> 00:39:37,519
little bit on your resume before teams go out there

876
00:39:37,559 --> 00:39:38,760
and make that sacrifice.

877
00:39:39,159 --> 00:39:41,920
Speaker 1: The two other teams would make sense, So Agawama City,

878
00:39:42,239 --> 00:39:44,480
I do think either needs. I mean, he can kind

879
00:39:44,480 --> 00:39:47,280
of fill both. Is a caps lock shooter, like who's

880
00:39:47,280 --> 00:39:48,800
gonna get them up in volume that they feel like

881
00:39:48,840 --> 00:39:51,760
they can play more than Isaiah Joe and every Simon's

882
00:39:51,760 --> 00:39:54,280
I don't. He's actually smaller, but he can create some

883
00:39:54,440 --> 00:39:56,599
because I do think they kind of need a third

884
00:39:57,239 --> 00:40:00,800
secondary ball handler. And so if you don't think that

885
00:40:00,920 --> 00:40:03,599
is Aaron Wiggins, and we know that you're not going

886
00:40:03,639 --> 00:40:05,400
to get the same level of volume from a case

887
00:40:05,440 --> 00:40:07,280
and Wallace or now it's Caruso and Caseon Wallace has

888
00:40:07,280 --> 00:40:10,320
done a lot better this year, he'd be interesting there

889
00:40:10,519 --> 00:40:12,199
to where I don't think he would ever close games.

890
00:40:12,199 --> 00:40:14,559
And maybe they want to acquire someone who's bigger. Maybe

891
00:40:14,559 --> 00:40:17,400
they would prefer Cam Johnson just because he's not as dynamic,

892
00:40:17,760 --> 00:40:20,519
but he's bigger, so he's more likely to close games.

893
00:40:20,719 --> 00:40:24,000
But if you don't think that Aaron Wiggins or Caruso

894
00:40:24,119 --> 00:40:27,079
or Cason Wallace is kind of that solution to giving

895
00:40:27,159 --> 00:40:29,440
you another someone who could just create from a dead

896
00:40:29,480 --> 00:40:31,760
stop I'll say, in addition to like getting up threes

897
00:40:31,800 --> 00:40:35,519
in volume, they would be a very interesting landing spot

898
00:40:35,519 --> 00:40:38,079
for him and the other team. San Antonio would be

899
00:40:38,119 --> 00:40:40,280
a dream for him, I think, because they need other

900
00:40:40,320 --> 00:40:42,880
guys to space the floor and you just have a

901
00:40:42,920 --> 00:40:48,559
defense of infrastructure where between Wemby and Steph Castle right

902
00:40:48,599 --> 00:40:50,960
now and if you know, maybe Jeremy Sohan is going

903
00:40:50,960 --> 00:40:52,320
out in that deal, maybe not like if you have

904
00:40:52,320 --> 00:40:55,000
all those guys in place, like you have the defense

905
00:40:55,039 --> 00:40:57,199
to cover up even with Devin Vessel, who's probably a

906
00:40:57,199 --> 00:40:59,159
little bit he used to be overrated defensively now I

907
00:40:59,159 --> 00:41:01,760
feel like he's a little bit underrated. That would be

908
00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:04,079
a great setup for them because it's sort of like, well,

909
00:41:04,119 --> 00:41:08,719
you're not infringing upon the development of Wemby or Steph Castle,

910
00:41:08,760 --> 00:41:10,440
but you're also not going to ask them to handle

911
00:41:10,440 --> 00:41:12,719
the ball too much because you have everye Simon's there's

912
00:41:12,719 --> 00:41:15,039
another outlet there in addition to the cell. So that

913
00:41:15,079 --> 00:41:17,039
would be Honestly, I think this birds would be my

914
00:41:17,039 --> 00:41:19,480
favorite destination for him, now that I'm talking myself through it.

915
00:41:19,960 --> 00:41:22,599
Speaker 2: Yes, CP three as well, who can actually get Anthony

916
00:41:22,719 --> 00:41:25,280
kind of similar to how you're speaking about Steph Castwitz like, no,

917
00:41:25,360 --> 00:41:27,920
I can get you the ball when you're operating off

918
00:41:27,920 --> 00:41:29,400
ball as well, you don't have to bring it up

919
00:41:29,400 --> 00:41:32,199
every single time. And whenever we have these players that

920
00:41:32,239 --> 00:41:33,920
you sort of look at and you go, oh, they

921
00:41:33,960 --> 00:41:36,480
haven't turned into Trey Young. They're not putting up twenty

922
00:41:36,519 --> 00:41:39,159
and ten each night, they're not averaging insane assist numbers.

923
00:41:39,519 --> 00:41:42,119
I always think, can we see you with a big spaces?

924
00:41:42,199 --> 00:41:45,039
Can we see if that eases your playmaking burden. Maybe

925
00:41:45,039 --> 00:41:46,400
it makes it a little bit easier for you to

926
00:41:46,440 --> 00:41:49,239
get to the room. And obviously Vic might turn into

927
00:41:49,280 --> 00:41:51,679
the ultimate example of that through his career, So he'd

928
00:41:51,719 --> 00:41:53,320
be a really really fun fit. Dan, if you've got

929
00:41:53,360 --> 00:41:55,079
another player that you want to talk about.

930
00:41:55,400 --> 00:42:00,280
Speaker 1: I do, and he's he has to be fair. He

931
00:42:00,400 --> 00:42:04,239
only just recently returned from injury. But he would have

932
00:42:04,280 --> 00:42:05,920
been in this discussion anyway, and has been in this

933
00:42:05,960 --> 00:42:08,480
discussion for years, and I'm shocked he's signed an extension

934
00:42:08,840 --> 00:42:11,480
with his team. We got to get Moses Moody off

935
00:42:11,480 --> 00:42:14,079
the Golden State Warriors at this point. This is I

936
00:42:14,079 --> 00:42:17,639
actually think there's another situation where they need him. They

937
00:42:17,679 --> 00:42:20,960
just don't trust him to play heavy minutes, and every

938
00:42:21,039 --> 00:42:23,440
time I watch him, I will say I never come

939
00:42:23,480 --> 00:42:26,960
away thinking this guy shouldn't be on the floor. Yes,

940
00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:28,719
he's had bad nights, he can be all over the

941
00:42:28,760 --> 00:42:31,400
place on both ends of the floor, but this is

942
00:42:31,760 --> 00:42:35,800
they this is someone who is a quintessential three and

943
00:42:35,880 --> 00:42:38,960
D and a little more wing. And the Warriors are

944
00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:40,800
just like, we're gonna give you like fifteen minutes a night,

945
00:42:41,079 --> 00:42:43,360
and I just don't like it. And that's you know,

946
00:42:43,480 --> 00:42:46,079
that might be generous when you're like this season, okay, sure,

947
00:42:46,119 --> 00:42:48,920
but in past seasons as a rookie, eleven point seven minutes,

948
00:42:48,960 --> 00:42:51,599
as a sophomore thirteen last year, seventeen point five this

949
00:42:51,679 --> 00:42:56,360
year fifteen point nine is just kind of inexcusable. And he,

950
00:42:56,639 --> 00:42:58,679
in theory, shouldn't be eligible for this because of the

951
00:42:58,719 --> 00:43:00,599
poison pill, and it's just so tough to move him,

952
00:43:00,960 --> 00:43:03,400
even when you factor in the extension. So he'll count

953
00:43:03,400 --> 00:43:06,119
his five point eight million dollars of outgoing money for

954
00:43:06,199 --> 00:43:08,880
Golden State, he counts his ten point nine million of

955
00:43:08,920 --> 00:43:11,679
incoming money for what would be his new team. That's

956
00:43:11,760 --> 00:43:15,239
a gap that you can absolutely work around. Just get

957
00:43:15,320 --> 00:43:17,840
him somewhere that is going to play him. I don't

958
00:43:17,880 --> 00:43:20,559
even I honestly think if you put him with the

959
00:43:20,599 --> 00:43:24,920
exception of Boston, and honestly I think that's it. If

960
00:43:24,960 --> 00:43:26,840
you put him on any other team other than Boston,

961
00:43:26,880 --> 00:43:28,760
he's playing a lot more than he's playing in Golden

962
00:43:28,800 --> 00:43:31,320
State right now. And even fuck it, excuse me, I

963
00:43:31,320 --> 00:43:32,880
don't even know if you're allowed to curse on your podcast.

964
00:43:32,880 --> 00:43:34,360
Speaker 2: I apologizez fre go for it.

965
00:43:34,760 --> 00:43:38,400
Speaker 1: Boston like could use a reserve way, like Sam Houser

966
00:43:38,440 --> 00:43:40,320
has been battling the back stuff, Like he might play

967
00:43:40,360 --> 00:43:42,880
more in Boston than he is in Golden State right now.

968
00:43:42,920 --> 00:43:46,800
And you explain, explain that to anybody, it's like it's

969
00:43:46,800 --> 00:43:50,119
not going to come off as logical. So free free

970
00:43:50,159 --> 00:43:52,280
Moses Moody along with Kean Ellis, let's go.

971
00:43:53,039 --> 00:43:55,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, that poison pill was sort of like, this is

972
00:43:55,880 --> 00:43:58,480
why the Detroit Pistons have positioned themselves to be the

973
00:43:58,480 --> 00:44:02,000
team that takes back that money. It's not a Jalen

974
00:44:02,079 --> 00:44:05,679
Green sized like difference between the outgoing money and the extension.

975
00:44:05,840 --> 00:44:08,679
So it's something that you can definitely get round. Yeah,

976
00:44:08,760 --> 00:44:11,760
we've been sort of like coached. When you're looking at

977
00:44:11,760 --> 00:44:14,199
the draft, when you're looking at free agency, it's these

978
00:44:14,239 --> 00:44:16,760
three and D wings that can guard at their position

979
00:44:16,840 --> 00:44:18,920
that don't take up a ton of on ball usage.

980
00:44:19,320 --> 00:44:21,320
They're the players that get paid. They're the players that

981
00:44:21,320 --> 00:44:23,599
are really scarce around the league, and Golden State has

982
00:44:23,599 --> 00:44:25,280
had one for the last couple of years. You know,

983
00:44:25,800 --> 00:44:27,880
I'm not going to say that Moses Moody was ready

984
00:44:27,880 --> 00:44:31,320
to play in a championship level rotation in his rookie year,

985
00:44:31,639 --> 00:44:33,840
but he certainly had enough experience in the league and

986
00:44:33,880 --> 00:44:35,840
whenever he gets a chance to sort of show what

987
00:44:35,920 --> 00:44:39,119
he can do on the court, it's not really been disappointing.

988
00:44:39,239 --> 00:44:41,480
He's the kind of player that, like you said, he

989
00:44:41,519 --> 00:44:44,039
would find playing time on pretty much any team around

990
00:44:44,079 --> 00:44:46,239
the league, and I was kind of surprised that he wasn't.

991
00:44:47,000 --> 00:44:49,280
Could he have been an offer sheet guy? No, I'm

992
00:44:49,360 --> 00:44:53,000
kind of surprised that he didn't take this all the

993
00:44:53,039 --> 00:44:55,880
way to restricted free agency next year, try and get

994
00:44:55,920 --> 00:44:58,239
an off sheet, try and get out of there. Like, yeah,

995
00:44:58,320 --> 00:45:00,760
maybe you take the money because it is life changing,

996
00:45:00,880 --> 00:45:04,320
but at the same time, it's it's just a little

997
00:45:04,320 --> 00:45:05,599
bit of a head scratcher in my book.

998
00:45:06,079 --> 00:45:08,519
Speaker 1: I wonder if the restricted free agency market plays a

999
00:45:08,599 --> 00:45:11,360
role whereas So if you're Jonathan Kamana and they reportedly

1000
00:45:11,360 --> 00:45:14,320
offered them thirty million, even if you miss and have

1001
00:45:14,400 --> 00:45:16,119
a bad year, which he's been all over the place,

1002
00:45:16,159 --> 00:45:19,119
he's having a good stretch right now, there's probably still

1003
00:45:19,159 --> 00:45:21,119
someone who will pay you more than mid level money.

1004
00:45:21,159 --> 00:45:23,239
But in the case of Moses Moody, you're not playing.

1005
00:45:23,840 --> 00:45:27,400
And the past two summers, I believe we've seen exactly

1006
00:45:27,480 --> 00:45:30,800
one restricted free agency offer sheet go out, and that

1007
00:45:30,880 --> 00:45:33,239
was to Paul Reid, like when Utah did that creative

1008
00:45:33,639 --> 00:45:37,679
voodoo when the Sixers eventually matched it. So if you're

1009
00:45:37,679 --> 00:45:40,440
Moses Moody and you're not guaranteed a role, it was

1010
00:45:40,480 --> 00:45:43,119
probably smart to take the money. I'm not gonna lie,

1011
00:45:43,159 --> 00:45:44,360
but I don't think you should have been in a

1012
00:45:44,360 --> 00:45:48,360
situation where we were wondering like, oh, is he worth anything?

1013
00:45:48,920 --> 00:45:52,039
And look, I think Dubbs fans, I've seen one of

1014
00:45:52,039 --> 00:45:54,800
their past two games, and he's logged over twenty minutes,

1015
00:45:55,199 --> 00:45:57,000
and he's logged over twenty minutes in both of them.

1016
00:45:57,000 --> 00:45:59,880
I just didn't see the other one, like I'm not

1017
00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:02,960
account and is turning a corner until like we've streamed together,

1018
00:46:03,119 --> 00:46:04,880
like that needs to be like what at least twenty

1019
00:46:04,920 --> 00:46:07,480
games before we say, oh, they're gonna they're gonna use

1020
00:46:07,559 --> 00:46:10,400
him more. I just don't. I don't buy it. And

1021
00:46:10,639 --> 00:46:14,199
I think, just honestly, as I said it before, you'll

1022
00:46:14,199 --> 00:46:16,199
put him anywhere like maybe the team is because they've

1023
00:46:16,199 --> 00:46:19,079
been mentioned tangentially to Cam Johnson. You can figure out

1024
00:46:19,079 --> 00:46:21,159
a way to make the money work with Cam Johnson

1025
00:46:21,159 --> 00:46:23,280
going to Golden State and then more money going to Brooklyn,

1026
00:46:23,280 --> 00:46:26,639
and Brooklyn's at that team would play the hell he'd

1027
00:46:26,679 --> 00:46:30,079
be running picking roles in Brooklyn probably, So let's get

1028
00:46:30,079 --> 00:46:30,440
it done.

1029
00:46:31,400 --> 00:46:34,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's just see something happen. And another guy that

1030
00:46:34,159 --> 00:46:37,639
I I would say he is in a much better

1031
00:46:37,679 --> 00:46:41,199
scenario than Moses Moode. He's being used far more. He's

1032
00:46:41,199 --> 00:46:43,840
actually played like thirty five minutes per game over his

1033
00:46:43,960 --> 00:46:46,559
last fifteen for his team. But he's almost like Keegan

1034
00:46:46,679 --> 00:46:49,840
Murray esque in I think he's a player that had

1035
00:46:49,960 --> 00:46:52,880
a lot of offensive talent coming into the league. I

1036
00:46:52,880 --> 00:46:55,679
think he was massively misused by the first coaching staff

1037
00:46:55,679 --> 00:46:58,480
that inherited him, and now he's playing for a winning team.

1038
00:46:58,519 --> 00:47:00,800
But he seems destined to just saw fit into this

1039
00:47:00,840 --> 00:47:03,679
fifth starter role. Then what are your thoughts on Jabari

1040
00:47:03,719 --> 00:47:06,199
Smith Junior, because I still hold out hope that this

1041
00:47:06,239 --> 00:47:12,400
guy could be Budget Lowry, Markinnen somewhere else. Like if

1042
00:47:12,440 --> 00:47:14,079
you put him in a role where you ask him

1043
00:47:14,119 --> 00:47:16,119
to operate off ball, where you ask him to get

1044
00:47:16,199 --> 00:47:18,119
going towards the room, you sort of put him in

1045
00:47:18,159 --> 00:47:21,599
this movement based system where it's not no three job

1046
00:47:21,679 --> 00:47:24,840
steps and like you know, Prime Carmelo, Anthony Shot Diet.

1047
00:47:24,960 --> 00:47:27,840
But he's someone that I think has been mismanaged throughout

1048
00:47:27,840 --> 00:47:31,000
his entire NBA career and has still somehow managed to

1049
00:47:31,000 --> 00:47:34,119
be a really productive player, particularly for Houston this season.

1050
00:47:34,639 --> 00:47:38,239
Speaker 1: That's an interesting one because I think that the real

1051
00:47:38,280 --> 00:47:40,360
crux of it is that Houston just has too many

1052
00:47:40,400 --> 00:47:44,039
guys and so I don't know that Dave improperly developed

1053
00:47:44,079 --> 00:47:48,440
him so much as the arc of their roster is dictated,

1054
00:47:48,639 --> 00:47:51,840
this is how he's used. But I'm with you on

1055
00:47:51,920 --> 00:47:54,159
that sounds like the optimal role for him on offense,

1056
00:47:54,639 --> 00:47:57,519
and I think this year, you know, it's little. At

1057
00:47:57,559 --> 00:47:58,880
the beginning of the year, I didn't think he was

1058
00:47:58,880 --> 00:48:01,239
playing enough five. I think that's ticked up a little bit.

1059
00:48:01,280 --> 00:48:03,719
I'm saying that anecdotally based off what I've seen, but

1060
00:48:03,760 --> 00:48:05,599
like being on a team or maybe he could play

1061
00:48:05,719 --> 00:48:08,400
not be the primary five, but play even more minutes

1062
00:48:08,400 --> 00:48:10,119
at the center position, where that opens up things for

1063
00:48:10,199 --> 00:48:12,360
him to do as a screener because he's already really

1064
00:48:12,360 --> 00:48:15,039
good defensively and that's not wasn't he I'm not a

1065
00:48:15,119 --> 00:48:17,320
draft guy like I do the crash course leading up

1066
00:48:17,320 --> 00:48:20,000
to it wasn't he build is like everything was about

1067
00:48:20,000 --> 00:48:21,599
his shooting coming out of the draft. That's why the

1068
00:48:21,639 --> 00:48:24,599
Magic kind of wanted him. He's shown some on ball

1069
00:48:24,679 --> 00:48:28,039
dynamism to be sure offensively, but just like the defense

1070
00:48:28,079 --> 00:48:31,440
has been I don't know the best way, Like sometimes

1071
00:48:31,480 --> 00:48:35,679
I feel like we conflate versatility malleability with effectiveness. In

1072
00:48:35,760 --> 00:48:39,559
his case, he's malleable and he's really good at it

1073
00:48:39,639 --> 00:48:42,159
to where like Keldon Johnson is kind of the good

1074
00:48:42,159 --> 00:48:44,840
barometer here where it's yeah, he'll get moved around defensively

1075
00:48:45,239 --> 00:48:48,440
or or Miles Bridges like, he'll get moved around defensively.

1076
00:48:48,639 --> 00:48:51,199
I'm not gonna be particularly good like when he's doing,

1077
00:48:51,239 --> 00:48:53,679
but like you can move him around. Jabar Swith Junior

1078
00:48:53,800 --> 00:48:55,519
is yeah, you can move him around. He's gonna be

1079
00:48:55,519 --> 00:48:59,000
really good. It basically everything it's just if I'm the

1080
00:48:59,119 --> 00:49:01,199
rockets on a want to move him because he's so good.

1081
00:49:01,199 --> 00:49:04,079
But when you're looking at the trajectory of well, eventually,

1082
00:49:04,119 --> 00:49:06,400
don't you want a bigger role for Amen Thompson, who's

1083
00:49:06,440 --> 00:49:10,119
basically a point four, like feels like his long term

1084
00:49:10,159 --> 00:49:13,119
trajectory unless you think that he's gonna operate purely off

1085
00:49:13,159 --> 00:49:15,639
the ball, in which case that would even lend more

1086
00:49:15,679 --> 00:49:18,519
merit to Oh, well, he's basically a four. And then

1087
00:49:18,519 --> 00:49:22,119
you have Tari Easton here it feels like Jalen Green

1088
00:49:22,199 --> 00:49:23,920
needs to go. That's not a change of scene ornything.

1089
00:49:23,960 --> 00:49:26,320
I just don't think he's what they need. But like

1090
00:49:26,360 --> 00:49:31,920
they're they're gonna wind up choosing between Ahmen Tari Jabbari

1091
00:49:32,039 --> 00:49:34,079
and al Perrin shang Gun, Like at least one of

1092
00:49:34,119 --> 00:49:36,800
those guys isn't gonna stick. And it feels like Aman

1093
00:49:36,880 --> 00:49:40,239
Thompson and al Pern shang Gun are just going to stick.

1094
00:49:40,599 --> 00:49:42,400
And so then it comes down to and they're both

1095
00:49:42,400 --> 00:49:45,920
extension eligible this summer. Is it Tarri or Jabari Smith Junior?

1096
00:49:46,199 --> 00:49:48,079
And when you look at what they can do offensively,

1097
00:49:48,679 --> 00:49:52,280
Tarry Easton is clearly that's more scalable. But he's more

1098
00:49:52,280 --> 00:49:54,000
plug and play, like you don't have to worry about

1099
00:49:54,360 --> 00:49:56,239
his uses as much as you would Jabari's.

1100
00:49:57,039 --> 00:50:00,280
Speaker 2: I think that there's just more redundancy having Jabari in

1101
00:50:00,320 --> 00:50:03,800
that role, and I wonder how their respective trade values

1102
00:50:03,840 --> 00:50:05,960
would be perceived around the league. I remember the first

1103
00:50:05,960 --> 00:50:08,280
time we podcasted together down it was during the summer,

1104
00:50:08,360 --> 00:50:11,800
and we spoke about Tari as this player that multiple

1105
00:50:11,840 --> 00:50:15,239
contending teams could potentially target as like, please, someone go

1106
00:50:15,360 --> 00:50:17,480
get Tari Easton out of there. But he's so sort

1107
00:50:17,480 --> 00:50:20,280
of tenacious and aggressive on the defensive end that he's

1108
00:50:20,320 --> 00:50:22,079
still being able to carve out a really big role

1109
00:50:22,119 --> 00:50:28,480
in Houston this year. It's more of just a it's

1110
00:50:28,519 --> 00:50:31,039
a fancy of mine. It's a wish that we get

1111
00:50:31,039 --> 00:50:33,480
to see Jabari in a different scenario. I think I

1112
00:50:33,519 --> 00:50:36,840
spoke about the Rockets with it might have been with

1113
00:50:36,920 --> 00:50:40,320
Chuck of the Chuck and Darts podcast, and I just said,

1114
00:50:41,079 --> 00:50:45,559
if only the two sorry Boston assistants could have joined

1115
00:50:45,559 --> 00:50:47,840
together and done a joint coaching job, because if you

1116
00:50:47,880 --> 00:50:50,320
could have had Will Hardy coaching the offensive side of

1117
00:50:50,360 --> 00:50:53,000
the ball in Houston and then you leave Emay to

1118
00:50:53,039 --> 00:50:55,440
do the defensive stuff, I think we'd be in this

1119
00:50:55,480 --> 00:50:58,039
perfect position where it's like, you know, readers set on

1120
00:50:58,119 --> 00:51:02,239
the table for everyone was getting played. Jabari's running these

1121
00:51:02,320 --> 00:51:05,880
routes off the ball. But I wonder how much like

1122
00:51:06,000 --> 00:51:08,280
coaching time there has been in Houston to where they've

1123
00:51:08,280 --> 00:51:12,119
implemented this a really aggressive man to man defensive system.

1124
00:51:12,119 --> 00:51:14,960
This year, it's really paid dividends. It's still a young roster.

1125
00:51:15,639 --> 00:51:18,800
Maybe I'm jumping the gun a little bit here, and

1126
00:51:18,840 --> 00:51:22,199
maybe the idea is that next off season Houston has

1127
00:51:22,239 --> 00:51:25,159
this big defensive base and then they're really ready to

1128
00:51:25,199 --> 00:51:27,519
develop on the offensive end, and they're really ready to

1129
00:51:27,559 --> 00:51:30,960
add layers of complexity to what they already do. But

1130
00:51:31,360 --> 00:51:33,440
if not, I think it would just be a real

1131
00:51:33,480 --> 00:51:36,039
waste if Jabari sort of just stays as that fifth

1132
00:51:36,079 --> 00:51:38,800
starter almost in like a Harrison Bonds role that we've

1133
00:51:38,800 --> 00:51:41,840
seen for the Spurs and the Sacramento Kings in like

1134
00:51:41,920 --> 00:51:42,840
this late stage.

1135
00:51:43,440 --> 00:51:46,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just they have Houston's roster. There's just so

1136
00:51:46,880 --> 00:51:50,760
many directions they're eventually gonna go or could go rather

1137
00:51:51,320 --> 00:51:54,599
And I don't know, like if I guess you could

1138
00:51:54,679 --> 00:51:57,960
say the argument against not making this decision, ever, it's

1139
00:51:58,039 --> 00:52:00,920
just that well, work Dylan Brooks and Fredman Fleet or temporary,

1140
00:52:00,960 --> 00:52:02,599
and then we're just gonna elevate all the young dudes

1141
00:52:02,599 --> 00:52:05,159
into the lineup, and then Atariason is someone who could

1142
00:52:05,159 --> 00:52:07,840
always come off the bench. But it just feels like,

1143
00:52:08,400 --> 00:52:11,119
even if you went that route, there's always going to

1144
00:52:11,199 --> 00:52:13,679
be one. I mean, we mentioned read Shepherd's name, there's

1145
00:52:13,679 --> 00:52:15,960
always gonna be one the two guys who are being

1146
00:52:16,000 --> 00:52:20,840
supremely marginalized, And it just feels like Jabbari is guaranteed

1147
00:52:20,880 --> 00:52:22,599
you'll be the one or one of the two that

1148
00:52:22,639 --> 00:52:25,800
gets marginalized because of because of the position that he

1149
00:52:25,840 --> 00:52:27,119
plays basically.

1150
00:52:27,960 --> 00:52:30,199
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, and because of the fact that he's an

1151
00:52:30,199 --> 00:52:33,280
adequate three point shooter, an adequate quarter three point shooter.

1152
00:52:33,440 --> 00:52:35,480
It's just clear. It's just like, go do that, Go

1153
00:52:35,559 --> 00:52:38,239
crash the glass, and then we'll work out how to run.

1154
00:52:38,280 --> 00:52:40,880
Amman Thompson, Alperah and Shenggun pick and roll because at

1155
00:52:40,880 --> 00:52:43,760
the moment, like that feels a little bit far off

1156
00:52:43,760 --> 00:52:45,960
to me with their space and concerns. So it's like

1157
00:52:46,280 --> 00:52:48,280
you've got so many different things that you need to

1158
00:52:48,320 --> 00:52:52,960
figure out before it's scaling up Jabari's role, And like

1159
00:52:53,000 --> 00:52:55,000
you said, Jalen Green needs to move. I look at

1160
00:52:55,000 --> 00:52:57,559
the Houston Rosta as they are geared towards a star

1161
00:52:57,679 --> 00:53:01,559
trade next off season. That money comes on the books,

1162
00:53:01,679 --> 00:53:04,360
you can immediately move him because you've extended him now.

1163
00:53:05,159 --> 00:53:08,639
And it's just like you said, which piece is going

1164
00:53:08,719 --> 00:53:12,639
to be attached in there with a Cam Whitball, with

1165
00:53:12,719 --> 00:53:14,880
a Reed Shepherd and some draft picks to go and

1166
00:53:14,880 --> 00:53:17,480
get a start. Is it going to be Amon Thompson?

1167
00:53:17,519 --> 00:53:19,360
He feels like the least likely to me at the moment.

1168
00:53:19,480 --> 00:53:22,159
Is it Tarriesen? Is he like the headline player in

1169
00:53:22,199 --> 00:53:25,239
a trade? Or is Jabari Smith sort of that perfect

1170
00:53:25,280 --> 00:53:28,519
Goldielock zone player where it's like he was a high

1171
00:53:28,559 --> 00:53:31,239
draft pick. He's come in and another team sees something

1172
00:53:31,239 --> 00:53:33,719
that the Rockets perhaps haven't already with him.

1173
00:53:34,079 --> 00:53:35,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'd be curious what you could get. I think

1174
00:53:35,920 --> 00:53:38,480
you could probably get like the equivalent of two first

1175
00:53:38,559 --> 00:53:41,559
round picks for him, would be my guess. But he's again,

1176
00:53:41,599 --> 00:53:44,480
he's extension eligible after this summer, and the Rockets are

1177
00:53:44,519 --> 00:53:47,719
just you don't need more picks. So if anything, it

1178
00:53:47,719 --> 00:53:50,119
feels like they would move him this summer or would

1179
00:53:50,119 --> 00:53:51,559
be one of the candidates to be moved this summer

1180
00:53:51,559 --> 00:53:53,559
as part of their consolidation trade that everyone wants them

1181
00:53:53,599 --> 00:53:54,320
to make right now.

1182
00:53:54,960 --> 00:53:57,920
Speaker 2: If the Rockets somehow sorry, if the Kings somehow stay together,

1183
00:53:58,039 --> 00:54:02,000
he is my perfect player to go to Sacramento where

1184
00:54:02,119 --> 00:54:04,800
it's like, let's say Houston looks and they're like, oh,

1185
00:54:04,840 --> 00:54:07,159
we could really do with Malik Monk. Wh're not liking

1186
00:54:07,159 --> 00:54:09,519
what Jalen Green has given us. Maybe there's like some

1187
00:54:09,559 --> 00:54:12,000
sort of Milik Monk and a pick for Jabari Smith.

1188
00:54:12,559 --> 00:54:15,920
You ease that defensive load on Keegan Murray, you sort

1189
00:54:15,920 --> 00:54:19,760
of skew towards d'aron Fox, one of demand Rows and

1190
00:54:19,840 --> 00:54:22,400
Keon Ellis and then Keegan Murray Jabari Smith next to

1191
00:54:22,440 --> 00:54:24,960
the bonus that actually looks like a three four five

1192
00:54:25,039 --> 00:54:27,480
that maybe works. Like we've said, Jabari is already a

1193
00:54:27,480 --> 00:54:29,760
really handy defender. He's a guy that can operate close

1194
00:54:29,800 --> 00:54:32,400
to the rim and on the perimeter as well. So

1195
00:54:33,079 --> 00:54:35,639
that was my dream destination for him, But it just

1196
00:54:35,679 --> 00:54:38,039
feels like the vibes aren't right either way for that

1197
00:54:38,119 --> 00:54:40,400
kind of move to happen, particularly at the trade deadline.

1198
00:54:40,679 --> 00:54:43,480
Speaker 1: I would love that he would be perhaps the perfect

1199
00:54:43,800 --> 00:54:47,119
big to play next to Wemby. Maybe perfect the strong word.

1200
00:54:47,159 --> 00:54:49,599
But the Spurs would be fine. But that's a team that, Okay,

1201
00:54:49,599 --> 00:54:51,559
you're going after their draft equity at this point, and

1202
00:54:51,599 --> 00:54:53,800
Houston is not at a draft equity point. And even

1203
00:54:53,840 --> 00:54:55,599
so that here you like, I think I would bind

1204
00:54:55,639 --> 00:54:58,000
me another pick or as Kean Ella is involved in there.

1205
00:54:58,199 --> 00:54:59,920
But then you look at it and it's so now

1206
00:55:00,039 --> 00:55:02,840
we've done is we've marginalized Read Shepherd even further. In Houston.

1207
00:55:02,840 --> 00:55:04,800
They just had so many dudes. It's a great problem

1208
00:55:04,840 --> 00:55:07,599
to have, but it's gonna be something I'm looking at

1209
00:55:07,599 --> 00:55:10,320
Read Shepherd and Cam whitmore specifically as case studies in

1210
00:55:10,760 --> 00:55:13,159
it seems like you're gonna bring these guys along super slowly,

1211
00:55:13,199 --> 00:55:15,480
and even Cam whitmore like seeing his role of decline

1212
00:55:15,800 --> 00:55:18,840
year over year to the degree that it has. I'm

1213
00:55:18,920 --> 00:55:20,719
just interested to see what does that do to It's not

1214
00:55:20,760 --> 00:55:23,679
their long term value, but like what they've become long term?

1215
00:55:23,760 --> 00:55:25,639
Can it still happen for them in Houston if they

1216
00:55:25,639 --> 00:55:28,119
do go and it still happened for them elsewhere? Those

1217
00:55:28,119 --> 00:55:30,199
are two players I'm gonna be watching really closely over

1218
00:55:30,239 --> 00:55:32,239
the next like you know, eight months or whatever.

1219
00:55:32,960 --> 00:55:35,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, Cavi in particular really could have made my list

1220
00:55:35,480 --> 00:55:37,559
because he's a guy that I'm really quite high on,

1221
00:55:37,679 --> 00:55:39,840
and I think that he's showing, particularly in the Gen League,

1222
00:55:39,880 --> 00:55:41,599
can like inn struct his last year that he is

1223
00:55:41,639 --> 00:55:45,079
capable of playing another role. It's sort of like Moses

1224
00:55:45,119 --> 00:55:47,679
Moody a couple of years ago with Cam Whitmore right,

1225
00:55:47,719 --> 00:55:50,000
where maybe you look at Houston and, like we said,

1226
00:55:50,280 --> 00:55:52,639
too much depth, it's really hard for him to see minutes.

1227
00:55:53,039 --> 00:55:54,880
But personally, I think he'd be ready to go and

1228
00:55:54,920 --> 00:55:56,800
take a bigger role somewhere else. Maybe not to that

1229
00:55:56,880 --> 00:56:00,519
Moses Moody extent, But Dan, have you got anyone else

1230
00:56:00,519 --> 00:56:01,800
that you want to talk about before we get out

1231
00:56:01,800 --> 00:56:02,039
of here?

1232
00:56:02,679 --> 00:56:04,800
Speaker 1: I do have one more that I think needs to

1233
00:56:04,840 --> 00:56:09,840
be mentioned. I really think he's played well this year.

1234
00:56:10,079 --> 00:56:12,920
But even when he's done everything this team theoretically would

1235
00:56:13,000 --> 00:56:17,880
need from him, scoring, shooting well, rebounding, giving you some defense,

1236
00:56:18,320 --> 00:56:23,000
it's just not working to me. And that's Benanickmathern. Jarres

1237
00:56:23,039 --> 00:56:25,280
Walker's gotten a lot better recently in Indiana. We've seen

1238
00:56:25,320 --> 00:56:27,679
him play a little bit more. Bennick Mathern's a really

1239
00:56:27,719 --> 00:56:31,480
good player, but he does not I guess he tries

1240
00:56:31,519 --> 00:56:33,039
to play, but he fails a lot of the time.

1241
00:56:33,079 --> 00:56:35,199
He doesn't play at the cadence decision make at the

1242
00:56:35,239 --> 00:56:38,719
cadence that is required of an offense that you want

1243
00:56:38,760 --> 00:56:42,920
to retain the core of its identity before the Siakam

1244
00:56:42,960 --> 00:56:45,000
trade and like they're gonna be points you play slower

1245
00:56:45,079 --> 00:56:48,159
because Pascal Siakam breaking down defenses in the half court.

1246
00:56:48,159 --> 00:56:50,159
Like yeah, absolutely, sign me up for it. But they

1247
00:56:50,199 --> 00:56:52,639
need someone who's going to be more of a natural

1248
00:56:52,639 --> 00:56:55,199
fit for that catch and go role and then can

1249
00:56:55,239 --> 00:56:58,480
toggle between doing the on ball stuff slowing things down.

1250
00:56:58,960 --> 00:57:00,679
And I think, look, I still don't even think he's

1251
00:57:00,679 --> 00:57:02,639
like the perfect rebound or defender. But even when he's

1252
00:57:02,679 --> 00:57:05,800
given you those boxes, it just still hasn't felt like

1253
00:57:05,840 --> 00:57:08,039
the greatest fit in Indy. And so now this is

1254
00:57:08,079 --> 00:57:11,199
someone who is wrapping up year three and you have

1255
00:57:11,239 --> 00:57:13,719
to start thinking about his next deal. It would be

1256
00:57:13,800 --> 00:57:16,519
cooler to see him on a team that is gonna

1257
00:57:16,519 --> 00:57:19,519
give him the type of offensive agency that I think

1258
00:57:19,599 --> 00:57:23,880
his skill set not demands but prefers. But then maybe

1259
00:57:23,960 --> 00:57:27,559
also is just okay, you're not third or fourth in

1260
00:57:27,639 --> 00:57:30,480
the pecking order, like you're very much second, and like

1261
00:57:30,599 --> 00:57:33,880
let's see, like if you can break down defenses from there,

1262
00:57:34,000 --> 00:57:36,039
You're not gonna slow us up as much as it

1263
00:57:36,079 --> 00:57:38,280
seems like he does in Indian And then also, we're

1264
00:57:38,280 --> 00:57:41,599
not gonna need you to be in some lineups this,

1265
00:57:41,679 --> 00:57:44,679
I mean, Andrew Nemhard is kind of your undersized wing

1266
00:57:44,719 --> 00:57:47,599
when you're looking at the core Pacers lineup, But in reality,

1267
00:57:47,719 --> 00:57:50,039
it's also kind of Ben mcmathin, like, let's let him

1268
00:57:50,079 --> 00:57:54,000
be a two, and I don't know that Indy has

1269
00:57:54,440 --> 00:57:57,599
the personnel to let him be really a two at

1270
00:57:57,639 --> 00:58:00,639
either end of the floor. Defensively maybe, but then like

1271
00:58:00,880 --> 00:58:03,960
you're doing that at the cost of size elsewhere. So

1272
00:58:04,480 --> 00:58:06,440
I think it's probably time for both parties to move

1273
00:58:06,480 --> 00:58:09,559
on again. This is not the way I'm framing is like, well,

1274
00:58:09,599 --> 00:58:11,760
Bennedic Matthon is just like he's failed, and it's no

1275
00:58:11,920 --> 00:58:14,920
like the Pacers have kind of evolved beyond the type

1276
00:58:14,920 --> 00:58:16,440
of player he is, and he isn't a fit for

1277
00:58:16,760 --> 00:58:19,639
what's going to be their best style of play on

1278
00:58:19,719 --> 00:58:21,639
the offensive end, and he's not going to be I mean,

1279
00:58:21,679 --> 00:58:24,159
whatever you think about him on defense, he's just not

1280
00:58:24,280 --> 00:58:26,280
going to be a wing checker. And so let's get

1281
00:58:26,360 --> 00:58:29,159
him on a team that doesn't need that because then

1282
00:58:29,159 --> 00:58:31,920
he's probably more valuable to you by like if the honestly,

1283
00:58:32,360 --> 00:58:34,599
if the Pacers just had a wing checker who wasn't

1284
00:58:34,639 --> 00:58:39,559
aaron Ne Smith or Jaris Walker or Andrew Nemhard, you're

1285
00:58:39,599 --> 00:58:42,679
prob like or at least had someone who's better like

1286
00:58:42,719 --> 00:58:44,760
you have Andrew Nemhard and then okay, someone who's better

1287
00:58:44,760 --> 00:58:48,679
than Jaris Walker and Aaron Smith. He's probably more valuable

1288
00:58:48,679 --> 00:58:52,079
than the Pacers than too. And he's now in this

1289
00:58:52,119 --> 00:58:54,639
weird limbo, which is why I don't think they would

1290
00:58:54,639 --> 00:58:57,920
move him unless they're taking a megaswing where he's more

1291
00:58:58,000 --> 00:59:00,599
valuable to them than he's gonna be view around the

1292
00:59:00,679 --> 00:59:03,800
league because you've let his contract run not so long,

1293
00:59:03,840 --> 00:59:05,960
he's not hasn't wrapped up in your three yet, but

1294
00:59:06,039 --> 00:59:08,360
you've put him in a situation where, no, he's not

1295
00:59:08,440 --> 00:59:10,320
part of the problem, but he's not a perfect fit.

1296
00:59:10,400 --> 00:59:12,679
And so how it's the same thing with Jaris Walker,

1297
00:59:12,679 --> 00:59:15,880
even though he's playing better, is that there's because neither

1298
00:59:15,880 --> 00:59:18,480
of them have checked the boxes you need. It's probably

1299
00:59:18,519 --> 00:59:22,199
diminished their value around the league because they're being looked

1300
00:59:22,239 --> 00:59:25,079
at through this lens of well, they didn't do this,

1301
00:59:25,159 --> 00:59:27,239
and it's well, guess what, like they're not supposed to

1302
00:59:27,239 --> 00:59:29,079
be doing. Maybe jaris Walker when you're looking at the

1303
00:59:29,119 --> 00:59:31,679
defensive stuff, and he again is getting a little better

1304
00:59:31,760 --> 00:59:33,559
there too. But I would like to kind of see

1305
00:59:33,599 --> 00:59:37,000
benncmathern on more of a either a team that needs

1306
00:59:37,039 --> 00:59:39,000
a number two or just even more of a traditionally

1307
00:59:39,039 --> 00:59:41,079
rebuilding team. I just throw him in Brooklyn. I know

1308
00:59:41,079 --> 00:59:43,159
they got Cam Thomas, but that's that's sort of one

1309
00:59:43,199 --> 00:59:45,599
example there. I mean, he would be Utah could use

1310
00:59:45,760 --> 00:59:48,360
some more shot creation aside from the Caante George and

1311
00:59:48,719 --> 00:59:50,440
Larry marketing of it all. And it's like, is it

1312
00:59:50,480 --> 00:59:52,320
gonna be Isaiah Collier? We know it's not gonna be

1313
00:59:52,320 --> 00:59:53,880
Cody Williams. That looks like that was one of my

1314
00:59:53,880 --> 00:59:56,519
biggest draft misses of all time at the moment. So

1315
00:59:57,079 --> 00:59:58,719
that's the type of team I'd like to see him on.

1316
00:59:58,840 --> 01:00:01,280
But then you get into the dilemma of well, if

1317
01:00:01,320 --> 01:00:05,199
you move him, you want players or player and like

1318
01:00:05,960 --> 01:00:08,000
what do these teams have? Like I guess Brooklyn has

1319
01:00:08,039 --> 01:00:10,239
a Cam Johnson, but do they want Benne mcmatherin as

1320
01:00:10,280 --> 01:00:13,360
part of a larger deal? Utah is just what players

1321
01:00:13,400 --> 01:00:15,800
do they have that Indy would really want and they're

1322
01:00:15,800 --> 01:00:17,360
not going to be a team that trades draft picks,

1323
01:00:17,400 --> 01:00:19,559
so the type of team that he would kind of

1324
01:00:19,599 --> 01:00:21,920
be fun on. They need to have a player that

1325
01:00:21,960 --> 01:00:24,239
then fits like what Indy needs to try to do.

1326
01:00:25,199 --> 01:00:28,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, absolutely, And I really wonder what Benedict Mathertz

1327
01:00:28,519 --> 01:00:31,480
sees it. Benedict matherin season would have looked like if

1328
01:00:31,519 --> 01:00:33,840
aaron Ne Smith didn't get injured at the start of it,

1329
01:00:33,920 --> 01:00:35,800
because if you look at his game logs, in the

1330
01:00:35,800 --> 01:00:38,960
first four games, he plays twenty seven minutes, twenty three minutes,

1331
01:00:39,079 --> 01:00:42,639
twenty one minutes, and then thirteen minutes against Orlando, And

1332
01:00:42,679 --> 01:00:44,519
I think that aaron NEI Smith is then healthy for

1333
01:00:44,559 --> 01:00:47,559
a further two games, and ever since then he has

1334
01:00:47,840 --> 01:00:50,719
barely played less than thirty minutes per game, Like there

1335
01:00:50,719 --> 01:00:53,119
are two games where he's played twenty nine minutes and

1336
01:00:53,159 --> 01:00:56,559
fifty seven seconds basically since then. So he's had this massive,

1337
01:00:56,639 --> 01:00:59,320
massive role as a result of this real sort of

1338
01:00:59,400 --> 01:01:01,960
like hole wearing hole at the three that aaron Nesmith

1339
01:01:02,039 --> 01:01:04,880
had really really filled so well for them last year

1340
01:01:04,920 --> 01:01:07,039
when they actually looked like a good vibe scene when

1341
01:01:07,039 --> 01:01:09,000
they got to the Eastern Conference Finals, when it was

1342
01:01:09,039 --> 01:01:12,480
all really really clicking down in Indiana, and I completely

1343
01:01:12,480 --> 01:01:14,559
agree with you. It just feels like he's not a

1344
01:01:14,559 --> 01:01:19,079
bad player. It's he's not a point five player. And

1345
01:01:19,119 --> 01:01:22,360
I know that, like I'm saying that as someone that

1346
01:01:22,920 --> 01:01:25,239
doesn't necessarily like l like that term. I don't think

1347
01:01:25,280 --> 01:01:28,119
it defines a certain style of offense. But he needs

1348
01:01:28,159 --> 01:01:30,159
a little bit more time on the ball, he needs

1349
01:01:30,280 --> 01:01:33,159
a big to operate with potentially, like you know, he

1350
01:01:33,199 --> 01:01:35,519
needs to really develop his pick and roll acumen. And

1351
01:01:35,599 --> 01:01:38,880
at the moment, he's not good enough to be the

1352
01:01:38,920 --> 01:01:42,719
offensive star that like Tyrese Haliburton seeds all of his

1353
01:01:42,840 --> 01:01:45,559
usage to and just says like, I'll be Steve nash

1354
01:01:45,639 --> 01:01:49,639
Ub Kobe Bryant, We're copsetic, We're fine. But he's also

1355
01:01:49,760 --> 01:01:51,480
not that role player guy that you want to stick

1356
01:01:51,480 --> 01:01:55,320
in the corner A Lah, yeah, Jabari Smith Junior, Keegan Burray.

1357
01:01:55,320 --> 01:01:57,960
He's not been marginalized to that degree yet. So he's

1358
01:01:58,000 --> 01:02:00,159
really a bit sort of like stuck in a half way.

1359
01:02:00,559 --> 01:02:02,880
And I don't necessarily think that it's his fault so far.

1360
01:02:03,760 --> 01:02:05,960
Speaker 1: No, I'd agree with you, and I think, look, this

1361
01:02:06,119 --> 01:02:10,119
is probably the closest they're gonna come, I would argue,

1362
01:02:10,119 --> 01:02:13,320
because they have him defending wings less than he did

1363
01:02:13,440 --> 01:02:18,000
last year, which is good, but like, is this the best?

1364
01:02:18,000 --> 01:02:20,440
And honestly asking you this because to me, it feels

1365
01:02:20,480 --> 01:02:22,800
like this is the best it's ever gonna get for

1366
01:02:22,840 --> 01:02:26,039
Bennicmathern on this Pacers team and for the Pacers getting

1367
01:02:26,360 --> 01:02:27,920
out of him, Like, I don't know that you could

1368
01:02:27,960 --> 01:02:30,760
have if you're mapping out a more ideal scenario for

1369
01:02:30,800 --> 01:02:36,239
the two. It's Bennanickmathern kind of changing the inherent makeup

1370
01:02:36,599 --> 01:02:40,000
of his game, which is that's a really big ask.

1371
01:02:41,199 --> 01:02:45,360
Speaker 2: Or it's Garris Walker really emerging is that three as

1372
01:02:45,400 --> 01:02:49,239
that small forward and Benedict Matherrin just showing himself to

1373
01:02:49,239 --> 01:02:52,280
be a far superior offensive player to Andrew Nemhot where

1374
01:02:52,320 --> 01:02:55,760
it's like, no, we absolutely know that that's our team.

1375
01:02:55,760 --> 01:02:58,639
And then suddenly we're really big around Tyres Talibat because

1376
01:02:58,639 --> 01:03:01,360
that shooting god is six six as small forward is

1377
01:03:01,400 --> 01:03:04,000
the guy that could potentially switch on to fours and fives.

1378
01:03:04,000 --> 01:03:06,519
But yeah, I completely agree. I think that with the

1379
01:03:06,559 --> 01:03:09,400
knee Smith injury and with some of the inconsistencies that

1380
01:03:09,440 --> 01:03:11,960
Indiana has faced so far this year, he's had this

1381
01:03:12,119 --> 01:03:16,480
real extended run, and while his individual numbers look all right,

1382
01:03:16,519 --> 01:03:19,039
you know, she's thirty seven percent from three forty six

1383
01:03:19,039 --> 01:03:21,599
percent from the field, seventeen points per game, has up

1384
01:03:21,679 --> 01:03:24,039
the rebounding as well. Still get into the line at

1385
01:03:24,039 --> 01:03:25,639
that rate that had him in Rookie of the Year

1386
01:03:25,679 --> 01:03:29,519
consideration a couple of seasons ago. It's just not clicked

1387
01:03:29,559 --> 01:03:31,880
to the degree where you're like, yes, I know that

1388
01:03:31,960 --> 01:03:36,079
Indiana definitely wants to extend ben editmath room for twenty

1389
01:03:36,159 --> 01:03:37,480
to thirty million dollars a year.

1390
01:03:37,880 --> 01:03:41,400
Speaker 1: When it comes time, I do have another name. I

1391
01:03:41,440 --> 01:03:43,360
was actually not going to say him because I was nervous,

1392
01:03:44,000 --> 01:03:46,519
no go, because I've kind of ingratiated myself to this

1393
01:03:46,599 --> 01:03:48,239
fan base because I think I was ahead of their

1394
01:03:48,239 --> 01:03:50,320
team or understood wh they were doing more than other

1395
01:03:50,440 --> 01:03:54,440
national A holes like me. Okay, and I mentioned him already.

1396
01:03:54,440 --> 01:03:56,760
If Eron Wiggins isn't going to play more like, if

1397
01:03:56,760 --> 01:03:59,599
this is a sub twenty minute per game player, okay,

1398
01:03:59,639 --> 01:04:02,800
see very little incentive to move him. I need. I

1399
01:04:02,840 --> 01:04:05,719
want to see that dude in a consistently bigger role,

1400
01:04:05,800 --> 01:04:07,000
and I want to see, like, we know what he

1401
01:04:07,039 --> 01:04:09,199
does defensively, we know what he can do in theory

1402
01:04:09,199 --> 01:04:11,199
as a shooter, we know the rim pressure he provides.

1403
01:04:11,639 --> 01:04:13,119
I really would like to see a lot of more

1404
01:04:13,159 --> 01:04:16,239
on ball reps from him. And I recognize that Okac's

1405
01:04:16,280 --> 01:04:19,719
depth puts them in a tough spot, but this isn't

1406
01:04:19,760 --> 01:04:21,519
I'm not viewing this through an okay see lens. I

1407
01:04:21,559 --> 01:04:26,199
think Aaron Wiggins has the potential to be like a

1408
01:04:26,280 --> 01:04:29,880
top four to five player on a ridiculously good team,

1409
01:04:30,519 --> 01:04:32,800
and I would like to see him in a larger role.

1410
01:04:32,960 --> 01:04:34,920
And I don't know if it's gonna happen for him

1411
01:04:35,599 --> 01:04:39,079
in Oklahoma City. And that's not an insult to Oklahoma City.

1412
01:04:39,119 --> 01:04:42,320
They're just really good, I will say, though, like they've

1413
01:04:42,360 --> 01:04:45,039
skewed small and he's like more wing size than a

1414
01:04:45,039 --> 01:04:46,599
lot of the players they've been running out, and I

1415
01:04:46,639 --> 01:04:49,119
get that, Like you know, Casey and Wallace and Alex

1416
01:04:49,159 --> 01:04:52,719
Caruso were better defensively and they can guard up and

1417
01:04:52,760 --> 01:04:55,360
I love both of those players. If you're gonna tell

1418
01:04:55,400 --> 01:04:57,760
me whose minutes you want cut in Oka See, I'm

1419
01:04:57,760 --> 01:05:01,360
not gonna have a good answer there. So I just

1420
01:05:01,400 --> 01:05:04,960
don't see And maybe you like because I've thought about

1421
01:05:04,960 --> 01:05:08,119
this way too much like, like, does that make does

1422
01:05:08,159 --> 01:05:10,480
that logic make sense for an Aaron Wait, like it's

1423
01:05:10,960 --> 01:05:13,360
it's just an embarrassment of riches thing. I guess, So

1424
01:05:13,400 --> 01:05:16,199
I'm not I understand what OKAC has done and built,

1425
01:05:16,559 --> 01:05:19,000
but is there a pathway to Aaron Wiggins ever really

1426
01:05:19,079 --> 01:05:22,639
branching out not just functionally but just in terms of

1427
01:05:22,719 --> 01:05:25,360
volume to get more minutes consistently in Oklahoma City.

1428
01:05:26,199 --> 01:05:29,840
Speaker 2: I mean, like Alex Caruso hasn't necessarily shot the ball

1429
01:05:29,880 --> 01:05:32,599
incredibly well since arriving to AKC. I know that they've

1430
01:05:32,599 --> 01:05:34,719
committed to him long term, I think eighty one million

1431
01:05:34,719 --> 01:05:37,199
dollars over the course of the next four years. But

1432
01:05:37,480 --> 01:05:41,079
if Caruso continue to decline, continue to be guarded by

1433
01:05:41,159 --> 01:05:44,679
fives on the offensive end, maybe you get to a

1434
01:05:44,719 --> 01:05:47,960
stage where you sort of say, is his defensive output

1435
01:05:48,079 --> 01:05:51,000
worth it for like the suffering that we're going through

1436
01:05:51,039 --> 01:05:53,000
on the offensive end, where Wiggins makes a little bit

1437
01:05:53,079 --> 01:05:55,800
more sense. But they've also got Case and Wallace through

1438
01:05:55,840 --> 01:05:57,920
the door, who feels like a nice sort of halfway

1439
01:05:57,960 --> 01:06:00,079
house between these two players, where I don't know if

1440
01:06:00,079 --> 01:06:03,920
he's Joan quite the same level of defensive acumen as

1441
01:06:03,920 --> 01:06:05,760
Alex Caruso. But I think there are only three or

1442
01:06:05,800 --> 01:06:08,000
four perimited defenders in the league that have and he

1443
01:06:08,119 --> 01:06:11,480
is a really really good guard defender, Cason Wallace, and

1444
01:06:11,880 --> 01:06:14,599
he's another one of these players where I wouldn't necessarily

1445
01:06:14,559 --> 01:06:17,679
want him running pick and roll on my championship contending team,

1446
01:06:18,119 --> 01:06:23,039
but definitely showed flashes at Kentucky, definitely showed that, you know,

1447
01:06:23,639 --> 01:06:25,920
he's been able to scale into this really small role

1448
01:06:25,960 --> 01:06:27,480
where he's mainly been asked to be an off ball

1449
01:06:27,519 --> 01:06:30,320
shooter and a guy that makes quick decisions. So if

1450
01:06:30,320 --> 01:06:34,280
Aaron Wiggins ever ever does do that rise in volume,

1451
01:06:34,599 --> 01:06:37,679
he's doing it in a hyper competitive environment. And I

1452
01:06:37,719 --> 01:06:40,719
think that Dan, with the contracts sension that he signed with,

1453
01:06:40,800 --> 01:06:44,039
you know him and Isaiah Joe thought of as these

1454
01:06:44,760 --> 01:06:48,199
sacrificial lambs who aren't negative salary, who've shown himself to

1455
01:06:48,239 --> 01:06:52,000
be really capable NBA players. It feels to me like

1456
01:06:52,079 --> 01:06:53,639
these are the kinds of players that are going to

1457
01:06:53,639 --> 01:06:57,039
get sacrifices. Okay Se continues to sort of like try

1458
01:06:57,039 --> 01:06:59,679
and scoot around the second apron when they eventually extend

1459
01:06:59,719 --> 01:07:02,360
a Williams, a chet Holmegrim and they try and keep

1460
01:07:02,519 --> 01:07:05,840
SGA long term as well. And I think that they're

1461
01:07:05,840 --> 01:07:08,440
gonna rely on draft picks to replace the likes of

1462
01:07:08,519 --> 01:07:11,559
Aaron Wiggins instead of you know, moving in all the

1463
01:07:11,599 --> 01:07:14,440
assets to try and get another super dupe start in

1464
01:07:14,480 --> 01:07:16,880
the building. So I think that Aaron Wiggins eventually ends

1465
01:07:16,920 --> 01:07:18,199
up on another team.

1466
01:07:18,239 --> 01:07:20,239
Speaker 1: That's a good you know. I kind of thought of

1467
01:07:20,320 --> 01:07:22,920
it from the opposite direction of they want to keep

1468
01:07:22,960 --> 01:07:25,000
this team together, and so like you now have Aaron

1469
01:07:25,000 --> 01:07:28,079
Wiggins locked up for a half decade at less than

1470
01:07:28,079 --> 01:07:30,880
the mid level is ever gonna be. He's like, yeah, whatever,

1471
01:07:30,920 --> 01:07:32,920
eight percent of the salary whatever it ends up being

1472
01:07:32,960 --> 01:07:35,199
like throughout the life of his deal. And so it's

1473
01:07:35,440 --> 01:07:38,360
those guys become more valuable because you don't have to

1474
01:07:38,360 --> 01:07:40,039
pay them a ton and so yeah, but you're right

1475
01:07:40,079 --> 01:07:42,159
with Okay, see, like you're gonna get to a point though,

1476
01:07:42,159 --> 01:07:45,280
where you have to pay j Dubb another Shay deal

1477
01:07:45,519 --> 01:07:48,119
on top of chet home Grin. They probably still have

1478
01:07:48,239 --> 01:07:51,400
like a while before it's a major issue because Isaiah

1479
01:07:51,400 --> 01:07:52,920
Hart and stein Will had that team option as other

1480
01:07:52,960 --> 01:07:55,119
stuff is kicking in. But it probably goes either way.

1481
01:07:55,159 --> 01:07:57,480
Whereas if they're looking for I don't want to say,

1482
01:07:57,519 --> 01:08:00,000
spendable salary, but matching salary. That's not a core player.

1483
01:08:00,440 --> 01:08:03,760
The Isaiah Joe and Aeron Wiggins deals certainly fit that mold.

1484
01:08:03,920 --> 01:08:06,639
I just I really thought that Alex Caruzzo injury was

1485
01:08:06,639 --> 01:08:08,920
probably going to open up playing time for him, and

1486
01:08:08,960 --> 01:08:11,360
we've kind of just seen it go. I would say,

1487
01:08:11,360 --> 01:08:13,079
like Kason Wawas has seen it up there and like

1488
01:08:13,320 --> 01:08:16,560
Kathon Wallas was fantastic. Again, if you asked me how

1489
01:08:16,560 --> 01:08:18,159
do I get Aaron Wiggins more playing time and old

1490
01:08:18,199 --> 01:08:20,039
him and say who's the minutes are you taking? I

1491
01:08:20,119 --> 01:08:22,560
don't have an answer for you. And I think that's

1492
01:08:22,560 --> 01:08:24,439
why we might need the change of scenery.

1493
01:08:26,079 --> 01:08:28,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's definitely an archetype that's going to be

1494
01:08:28,600 --> 01:08:31,039
valuable around the league. I I just can't believe how

1495
01:08:31,119 --> 01:08:33,479
well oil that machine is. Man like you, if you're

1496
01:08:33,479 --> 01:08:37,159
in the thunder vituals getting minutes, yeah, exactly, you move

1497
01:08:37,239 --> 01:08:42,560
him if it's like that's the that's the that's the

1498
01:08:42,640 --> 01:08:45,359
area of discrepancy between you and Brooklyn. If you're sure

1499
01:08:45,359 --> 01:08:47,399
that Cam Johnson is the guy, They're like, no, we

1500
01:08:47,600 --> 01:08:52,119
absolutely want you know, Aaron Wiggins back in that trade.

1501
01:08:52,279 --> 01:08:54,199
We don't really care about the dropics. He's the guy

1502
01:08:54,239 --> 01:08:57,119
that we want as matching salary. But if not, I

1503
01:08:57,239 --> 01:08:59,600
definitely think that he survives the trade deadline and he's

1504
01:08:59,600 --> 01:09:01,840
probably here, like you said, until they get to those

1505
01:09:01,880 --> 01:09:04,479
extensions of Jalen Williams of Chet Holnger.

1506
01:09:04,800 --> 01:09:06,239
Speaker 1: I bet you he'll wind up getting This is what

1507
01:09:06,279 --> 01:09:09,039
they'll They'll do. They'll split the difference between both of

1508
01:09:09,079 --> 01:09:11,079
us as saying is he will be moved kind of

1509
01:09:11,079 --> 01:09:12,359
in the vein of what you're saying, like, those are

1510
01:09:12,359 --> 01:09:14,119
the guys that will get sacrificed, and it'll be for

1511
01:09:14,239 --> 01:09:16,960
distant first round draft picks. Because if you told me,

1512
01:09:18,000 --> 01:09:20,279
let's use the Dallas Mavericks as an example, because they

1513
01:09:20,279 --> 01:09:22,680
can trade their twenty thirty or twenty thirty one first

1514
01:09:22,720 --> 01:09:25,399
round pick. I would absolutely trade that for Aaron Wiggins.

1515
01:09:25,439 --> 01:09:27,000
And I bet you there's a bunch of Marricks fans

1516
01:09:27,000 --> 01:09:30,199
that think I'm fucking crazy, which is fine for saying that.

1517
01:09:30,359 --> 01:09:33,359
I don't think okay Se would accept it either. Yeah. Again,

1518
01:09:33,479 --> 01:09:35,600
if I'm okay, see, like I'm sitting on this incredible

1519
01:09:35,640 --> 01:09:38,239
deal and a really good player, I get it. It's

1520
01:09:38,279 --> 01:09:40,039
just like that's the tough situation where it's like all

1521
01:09:40,079 --> 01:09:42,039
these other players you can kind of see the benefit

1522
01:09:42,319 --> 01:09:44,079
to moving them, but as you mentioned, like you need

1523
01:09:44,119 --> 01:09:47,039
to be sure that if you're okayc like that you

1524
01:09:47,079 --> 01:09:49,239
even need a type of consolidation or you're looking for

1525
01:09:49,319 --> 01:09:52,479
a salary type upgrade or it. I guess you're not

1526
01:09:52,479 --> 01:09:54,640
trading Aaron Wigs unless you're getting someone who I think

1527
01:09:54,840 --> 01:09:58,680
you believe if they're not gonna potentially crack your closing lineup,

1528
01:09:58,680 --> 01:10:00,439
like you view them as one of your six or

1529
01:10:00,520 --> 01:10:02,840
seven most important players on the team.

1530
01:10:03,159 --> 01:10:04,800
Speaker 2: And at that point, I need to look up Lou

1531
01:10:04,840 --> 01:10:08,039
Dort's contracts. It's like Lou has obviously been an amazing

1532
01:10:08,119 --> 01:10:12,319
servant in Oklahoma for the past few years, but he's

1533
01:10:12,359 --> 01:10:15,359
also one moving salary as well, and he is locked up.

1534
01:10:15,399 --> 01:10:18,000
Oh my, he's locked up till twenty six, twenty seven.

1535
01:10:17,760 --> 01:10:20,319
Speaker 1: And that's younger. Well, then everyone might think it feels

1536
01:10:20,359 --> 01:10:22,600
like he's been there forever. Yeah, I will say I

1537
01:10:22,600 --> 01:10:24,600
think he's kind of become one of the most underrated

1538
01:10:24,600 --> 01:10:28,159
players in the league because everyone recognizes his defense. But

1539
01:10:28,199 --> 01:10:30,000
it's just like Nighten and even with all these other

1540
01:10:30,039 --> 01:10:32,720
guys on the team, like he still tackles these ubsurd assignments,

1541
01:10:32,800 --> 01:10:35,159
and then I know his shooting can be all over

1542
01:10:35,159 --> 01:10:38,600
the place. I'm a big believer in and anyone who

1543
01:10:38,680 --> 01:10:40,159
listens to the hard one not is a probably tired

1544
01:10:40,199 --> 01:10:42,800
of me saying this. There's value in the volume and

1545
01:10:42,880 --> 01:10:46,239
that dude is not afraid. Yeah, he's gonna sometimes take

1546
01:10:46,279 --> 01:10:48,600
these escape dripple jumpers or these drives to nowhere that

1547
01:10:48,640 --> 01:10:50,960
you don't necessarily want to see. But there's value in

1548
01:10:51,000 --> 01:10:54,159
the volume. And where Alex Caruso and even Cason Wallace

1549
01:10:54,199 --> 01:10:56,479
can be too passive, you don't have to worry about

1550
01:10:56,520 --> 01:10:59,600
that with lou Dort and so yeah, that's another salary

1551
01:10:59,640 --> 01:11:02,199
they could move. But do I want to move lu

1552
01:11:02,279 --> 01:11:05,359
door to open up minutes for Aaron Wiggins? I'm not doing.

1553
01:11:05,159 --> 01:11:09,720
Speaker 2: That exactly exactly, man, And it's just where do you

1554
01:11:09,800 --> 01:11:12,319
end up settling. I reckon that Aaron probably stays, like

1555
01:11:12,359 --> 01:11:14,239
we said, for at least the next season or two.

1556
01:11:14,960 --> 01:11:16,720
And you know, he's just one of these guys that

1557
01:11:16,760 --> 01:11:18,800
we get to speak about, is if only he could

1558
01:11:18,800 --> 01:11:20,560
be in this bigger role, if only he had that

1559
01:11:21,000 --> 01:11:23,880
change of scenery. I think it's interesting the kind of

1560
01:11:23,880 --> 01:11:27,800
players that we've identified, Like it's either been these players

1561
01:11:27,840 --> 01:11:31,000
that have been pigeonholed as three and D or you know,

1562
01:11:31,039 --> 01:11:33,079
they're in a scale down roll because of the talent

1563
01:11:33,119 --> 01:11:36,079
that they have around them, or it's these not quite

1564
01:11:36,119 --> 01:11:38,560
good enough to be number one options, therefore you have

1565
01:11:38,680 --> 01:11:40,720
to sort of scale them down to a two. They're

1566
01:11:40,720 --> 01:11:42,520
the players that we're talking about, and I don't know

1567
01:11:42,560 --> 01:11:45,279
what that necessarily says about the league, but there's been

1568
01:11:45,279 --> 01:11:47,760
a pretty clear through line throughout this episode where we

1569
01:11:47,840 --> 01:11:51,319
started with Brandon Ingram and Zion Williamson and we're finishing

1570
01:11:51,359 --> 01:11:53,760
with the likes of like Ajer Barry Smith Jr. And

1571
01:11:53,840 --> 01:11:57,520
Aaron Wiggins Moses Moody as well. There seems to be

1572
01:11:57,560 --> 01:12:01,159
two types of players that in all tend to find

1573
01:12:01,199 --> 01:12:04,319
their spot, but in these scenarios that we've spoken about,

1574
01:12:04,359 --> 01:12:06,399
they haven't quite managed it for one reason or another.

1575
01:12:07,039 --> 01:12:09,520
Speaker 1: Is there a deep cut player that you consider that

1576
01:12:09,560 --> 01:12:11,399
you just like as as a form, you wouldn't spend

1577
01:12:11,439 --> 01:12:14,600
an entire podcast segment talking about, Yeah, it's.

1578
01:12:14,760 --> 01:12:16,720
Speaker 2: Up Wreathed, like do up Wreathed has to get on

1579
01:12:16,760 --> 01:12:19,359
a run, He has to play somewhere, right, Yeah.

1580
01:12:19,800 --> 01:12:22,600
Speaker 1: He needs to go and he was on my list.

1581
01:12:22,600 --> 01:12:25,000
The other two they're hard on Ko's favorites. I want

1582
01:12:25,000 --> 01:12:27,119
to see Cody Martin on a contender because if she

1583
01:12:27,399 --> 01:12:29,119
is all over the place, he can be a good

1584
01:12:29,119 --> 01:12:31,680
connective pass or he can get going downhill. And I

1585
01:12:31,720 --> 01:12:33,319
really think he's versatile on defense.

1586
01:12:33,560 --> 01:12:35,880
Speaker 2: And there's only one place that Cody Martin needs to

1587
01:12:35,960 --> 01:12:37,920
end up. He needs to end up in the City

1588
01:12:37,960 --> 01:12:42,119
of Brotherly Love with his brother with what's his name

1589
01:12:42,199 --> 01:12:44,479
Caleb Martin as well. I think that that would finally

1590
01:12:44,520 --> 01:12:46,680
sort of fix the vibes issue in Philadelphia once and

1591
01:12:46,760 --> 01:12:47,079
for all.

1592
01:12:47,399 --> 01:12:49,920
Speaker 1: I mean maybe, but their defense has been pretty good.

1593
01:12:50,000 --> 01:12:52,079
I think they probably need someone who's been more consists offensively.

1594
01:12:52,079 --> 01:12:53,600
I've been trying to figure out a way to get

1595
01:12:53,680 --> 01:12:56,000
him to the Knicks, who just need that kind of

1596
01:12:56,119 --> 01:12:59,800
other wing type. And he can do additional stuff, but

1597
01:12:59,840 --> 01:13:01,920
like you can really move him around defensively. And I think,

1598
01:13:01,960 --> 01:13:04,079
if you're gonna, would you go ahead?

1599
01:13:04,119 --> 01:13:06,560
Speaker 2: Sorry, would you do? What? What would it be? It'd

1600
01:13:06,560 --> 01:13:09,600
be like Nick Richards and Cody Martin for Mitch Robinson

1601
01:13:09,600 --> 01:13:11,960
and that Fate Washington First.

1602
01:13:12,600 --> 01:13:15,720
Speaker 1: No, I wouldn't give up both. If Charlotte wanted to

1603
01:13:15,720 --> 01:13:20,079
take a flyer on, like, I'd probably give up. When

1604
01:13:20,119 --> 01:13:21,680
I give up the Washington pick for Cody Martin in

1605
01:13:21,680 --> 01:13:24,880
a vacuum. I don't know, but I wouldn't give up

1606
01:13:24,920 --> 01:13:27,880
both Mitch and that for the first I mean, you

1607
01:13:27,880 --> 01:13:29,600
would have to tell me that Mitch like isn't gonna

1608
01:13:29,600 --> 01:13:31,680
play again until twenty twenty six or something.

1609
01:13:31,920 --> 01:13:34,560
Speaker 2: So it ended up being more of like a precious

1610
01:13:34,560 --> 01:13:37,199
and pack of Mad Daddy A or Precious and Tyler Kolek.

1611
01:13:38,119 --> 01:13:38,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that.

1612
01:13:39,800 --> 01:13:40,000
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1613
01:13:40,000 --> 01:13:42,520
Speaker 1: And then in that respect, you're only getting Cody Martin

1614
01:13:42,560 --> 01:13:44,359
because it won't be enough to get Nick Richards, and

1615
01:13:44,359 --> 01:13:46,920
I would do that and then the other guy, and

1616
01:13:47,000 --> 01:13:50,880
he's been probably one of my longest siren songs, Chris Bouchet.

1617
01:13:51,159 --> 01:13:54,319
I know that there the three point percentage isn't there.

1618
01:13:54,439 --> 01:13:56,520
I know he's chaotic on defense and he's not. He

1619
01:13:56,560 --> 01:13:58,359
can't really play the five, and some times he might

1620
01:13:58,359 --> 01:14:01,920
be able to Anyone who is so committed to closing

1621
01:14:02,000 --> 01:14:05,560
out and blocking jump shots will forever have a special

1622
01:14:05,600 --> 01:14:08,319
place in my heart. And it doesn't always end well,

1623
01:14:08,920 --> 01:14:10,680
but you know that there's going to be entertainment there,

1624
01:14:10,920 --> 01:14:13,159
and so I still consider him even though the numbers

1625
01:14:13,199 --> 01:14:17,079
will not support it. He's like he'd probably appear for

1626
01:14:17,319 --> 01:14:18,560
but you can get away with some of the five.

1627
01:14:18,600 --> 01:14:21,279
And I view him as like a floor spacing defender,

1628
01:14:21,520 --> 01:14:23,800
and I would like to see him in a larger

1629
01:14:23,880 --> 01:14:26,680
or at least more consistent role in Toronto Is as

1630
01:14:26,720 --> 01:14:28,760
they've gotten a little healthier, Like with Kelly Ollenic back,

1631
01:14:28,800 --> 01:14:30,880
his minutes have again been all over the place. So

1632
01:14:31,560 --> 01:14:32,479
a team that needs.

1633
01:14:32,279 --> 01:14:37,039
Speaker 3: A backup big, I would say, according to Yeah, according

1634
01:14:37,079 --> 01:14:40,600
to raps Is Republican Samson folk like the Toronto Rapses

1635
01:14:40,680 --> 01:14:42,960
have an agenda against Chris Bouchet for some reason.

1636
01:14:43,000 --> 01:14:44,880
Speaker 2: I don't know if it's the management stuff or like

1637
01:14:44,920 --> 01:14:48,000
the front office, but they say, night after night, Chris

1638
01:14:48,079 --> 01:14:50,159
Bouchet should be playing more minutes. Man. Look at what

1639
01:14:50,199 --> 01:14:51,880
he does on the boards. Look at how he can

1640
01:14:51,960 --> 01:14:55,479
actually occasionally space from three. Look at the commitment that

1641
01:14:55,520 --> 01:14:58,399
he brings to a rebuilding team who have currently gone

1642
01:14:58,439 --> 01:15:01,319
through their worst ever like three game stretch. If you

1643
01:15:01,359 --> 01:15:04,840
look at point Differential, it's a dark, dark week for

1644
01:15:04,920 --> 01:15:08,479
Tonta Raps his fans, unless you're looking at Tankathon. So yeah,

1645
01:15:08,520 --> 01:15:11,800
he really feels like a player that doesn't belong on

1646
01:15:11,840 --> 01:15:15,279
that rebuilding team where he's more likely to give you ten.

1647
01:15:15,680 --> 01:15:19,039
Really gritty minutes when it matters than like really like

1648
01:15:19,159 --> 01:15:22,680
elevate a rebuilding team where Jacobe Walter, Grady Dick and

1649
01:15:23,079 --> 01:15:25,279
all right Choon Chay is still trying to find their feet.

1650
01:15:25,760 --> 01:15:28,159
Speaker 1: He'd be Look, we've mentioned Sacramento, he's like kind of before.

1651
01:15:28,279 --> 01:15:30,000
He'd be interesting there. You could play him with the

1652
01:15:30,079 --> 01:15:32,760
bones or use him as your primary backup big. I

1653
01:15:32,800 --> 01:15:35,600
think play him next to Wemby and San Antonio. I

1654
01:15:35,680 --> 01:15:39,600
will do a podcast why twenty nine other teams should

1655
01:15:39,600 --> 01:15:41,479
trade for Chris Bucher because he's a good fit.

1656
01:15:42,159 --> 01:15:43,880
Speaker 2: I was gonna say we should have a drinking game

1657
01:15:43,920 --> 01:15:45,600
for every time you say he'd be a good fit

1658
01:15:45,680 --> 01:15:48,079
next to it to when Banyolba in San Antonio, because

1659
01:15:48,119 --> 01:15:50,840
it's gone from Zion Williamson to Chris Bouchet and like

1660
01:15:50,920 --> 01:15:53,560
everyone in between. It's just Webby is the guy that

1661
01:15:53,720 --> 01:15:54,880
everyone fits next to.

1662
01:15:55,680 --> 01:15:59,960
Speaker 1: So yeah, he needs to get in the paint more.

1663
01:16:00,359 --> 01:16:02,359
But just like the element that he has from the

1664
01:16:02,359 --> 01:16:06,680
perimeter allows you to play basically any other big alongside him,

1665
01:16:06,680 --> 01:16:10,039
which I don't think is something people considered possible when

1666
01:16:10,039 --> 01:16:10,760
he ended the week.

1667
01:16:11,680 --> 01:16:14,000
Speaker 2: It allows you to play any other big beside him,

1668
01:16:14,239 --> 01:16:17,920
allows him to always be back in transition defense, which

1669
01:16:17,960 --> 01:16:19,680
is great on the other end when you're looking for

1670
01:16:19,720 --> 01:16:22,399
that foundation, and it allows him to stay a little

1671
01:16:22,399 --> 01:16:25,239
bit more contacted versus well where you're not asking him

1672
01:16:25,279 --> 01:16:28,439
to play his trade down underwear. I'm not even saying,

1673
01:16:28,520 --> 01:16:32,279
like the night after night toll of banging bodies, you're

1674
01:16:32,319 --> 01:16:34,800
reducing your chance of a twisted ankle, of a sprain

1675
01:16:34,960 --> 01:16:37,439
of something like that when you're operating thirty feet out,

1676
01:16:37,479 --> 01:16:40,319
particularly sort of during the regular season, where we might

1677
01:16:40,439 --> 01:16:42,439
already be at the stage where Vick is so good,

1678
01:16:42,560 --> 01:16:45,760
it's like, let's just nurse the health. Let's keep developing

1679
01:16:45,760 --> 01:16:48,439
the game from the outside, and maybe when we get

1680
01:16:48,479 --> 01:16:51,640
to playoff time, play in time, we might see him

1681
01:16:51,680 --> 01:16:54,159
operate a little bit more inside out. But at the moment,

1682
01:16:54,239 --> 01:16:55,720
I'm not going to go and tell that guy that

1683
01:16:55,720 --> 01:16:57,720
he needs to do anything different. Keep playing chess in

1684
01:16:57,800 --> 01:16:58,680
Washington Square. Part.

1685
01:17:00,800 --> 01:17:04,159
Speaker 1: Yeah, I favor that he seems he's like a maniacal

1686
01:17:04,199 --> 01:17:07,399
competitor who also seems really fun, and I sometimes feel

1687
01:17:07,439 --> 01:17:09,479
like you have to almost be one or the other.

1688
01:17:09,640 --> 01:17:11,560
Not that I think it's probably easier to be really

1689
01:17:11,640 --> 01:17:14,439
fun and like highly competitive, but these maniacal competitors that

1690
01:17:14,520 --> 01:17:18,920
get idealized or mythologized even they're not like known for

1691
01:17:19,000 --> 01:17:21,920
being relatable, and he he's not the least bit relatable.

1692
01:17:21,960 --> 01:17:24,159
He's from another planet. He's like nine feet tall, and

1693
01:17:24,239 --> 01:17:26,800
yet he just feels so relatable. So I favor.

1694
01:17:27,760 --> 01:17:30,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely. I think when Brian Windhors went out there

1695
01:17:30,920 --> 01:17:32,359
and he said, oh, what do you do for fun?

1696
01:17:32,359 --> 01:17:35,560
He's like sleep, everyone felt that at a certain point

1697
01:17:35,560 --> 01:17:38,079
of yeah, we all need to prioritize that sleep in

1698
01:17:38,159 --> 01:17:40,760
this eighteen year old seven football guy's already ahead of

1699
01:17:40,760 --> 01:17:42,560
the curtain in terms of that maturity. And it just

1700
01:17:42,600 --> 01:17:47,039
seems like he's he's building up that ultimate profile of

1701
01:17:47,159 --> 01:17:50,920
like boyfriends that the dad wants to see walk through

1702
01:17:50,960 --> 01:17:52,600
the door. It's like, oh, what do you get up too,

1703
01:17:52,640 --> 01:17:55,079
young man? Like I played for the San Antonio Spurs.

1704
01:17:55,159 --> 01:17:57,000
I get out chess in my spare time. I just

1705
01:17:57,039 --> 01:18:00,119
focused on my sleep and everything really body conscious, do

1706
01:18:00,159 --> 01:18:03,359
all we stretches pre game. He's he's again like the

1707
01:18:03,399 --> 01:18:05,920
ultimate good vibes player and just happens to be playing

1708
01:18:06,079 --> 01:18:09,439
like a sub MVP level or beyond, dependent on what

1709
01:18:09,479 --> 01:18:11,039
you want to call that. Like I've lost ten to

1710
01:18:11,079 --> 01:18:13,920
fifteen games.

1711
01:18:15,359 --> 01:18:17,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, I have I have no No, it's nothing dead one.

1712
01:18:18,079 --> 01:18:20,960
He's going to be honestly, he might finish. I wouldn't

1713
01:18:20,960 --> 01:18:23,640
predicted at this point he's gonna make all NBA, but

1714
01:18:23,680 --> 01:18:25,039
there was like a chance he's gonna finish in the

1715
01:18:25,039 --> 01:18:27,600
top five of MVP building and I don't think you

1716
01:18:27,600 --> 01:18:29,720
can come with arguments against it, but you can't be

1717
01:18:29,760 --> 01:18:31,560
offended if that happens.

1718
01:18:32,279 --> 01:18:35,199
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm really excited to see how that works out

1719
01:18:35,199 --> 01:18:37,000
come sort of the end of the year. And I

1720
01:18:37,000 --> 01:18:39,039
think that if the Spurs keep on rolling, and maybe

1721
01:18:39,079 --> 01:18:40,920
if they rescue one of our players that we spoken

1722
01:18:40,920 --> 01:18:43,199
about that needs a change of scenery, maybe they push

1723
01:18:43,279 --> 01:18:46,960
theirselves towards a little bit more of a postseason scenario.

1724
01:18:47,079 --> 01:18:49,199
And that's where we could see when be getting some

1725
01:18:49,319 --> 01:18:51,880
insane conversations for a second year player.

1726
01:18:51,640 --> 01:18:53,159
Speaker 1: They can trade for all of them. They can trade

1727
01:18:53,199 --> 01:18:56,399
for do operat Cody Mark, and that will get them

1728
01:18:56,439 --> 01:18:59,319
to the twenty twenty five NBA Finals probably. I feel

1729
01:18:59,319 --> 01:19:00,920
pretty confident saying that.

1730
01:19:01,279 --> 01:19:03,479
Speaker 2: And Dan, if they do that, I will absolutely have

1731
01:19:03,560 --> 01:19:05,880
you back on again. Thank you so much for coming on. Man.

1732
01:19:05,920 --> 01:19:07,960
I've had a lot of fun talking about these guys

1733
01:19:07,960 --> 01:19:10,359
that need to change of scenery. One thing you won't

1734
01:19:10,359 --> 01:19:12,680
need is a change of scenery from listening to Hardwood Knox.

1735
01:19:12,720 --> 01:19:14,800
They put out great content and they've been spashing it

1736
01:19:14,920 --> 01:19:17,439
day after day through the Christmas period. They got me

1737
01:19:17,479 --> 01:19:19,880
through my present wrapping, through some like looking around the

1738
01:19:19,880 --> 01:19:22,119
stores as well, So as you come into your newdia,

1739
01:19:22,159 --> 01:19:24,479
make sure you're listening to them, Dan, what if you've

1740
01:19:24,479 --> 01:19:27,600
got coming up for the loyal listeners.

1741
01:19:27,920 --> 01:19:29,479
Speaker 1: Like you said, Harran after you had a bunch of

1742
01:19:29,520 --> 01:19:31,880
content being pumped out there, and thank you for the

1743
01:19:31,960 --> 01:19:34,880
kind words most importantly, and you can also check out

1744
01:19:35,199 --> 01:19:39,119
my work, my musings, my thoughts over at Bleacher Report

1745
01:19:39,199 --> 01:19:41,279
as well. I have content that goes up there like

1746
01:19:42,119 --> 01:19:44,760
daily basically, so check it out over there.

1747
01:19:45,159 --> 01:19:47,039
Speaker 2: Guys, all links down below, make sure you go and

1748
01:19:47,119 --> 01:19:48,840
check out Dan. I'm pretty sure if you're listening to

1749
01:19:48,880 --> 01:19:50,840
the drop Step you know who Dan Favaley is, so

1750
01:19:51,279 --> 01:19:54,359
absolutely keep up the support there and keep it lots

1751
01:19:54,359 --> 01:19:56,000
on the drop Step. I've actually got a fair few

1752
01:19:56,000 --> 01:19:59,640
podcasts lined up before I get back to the classrooms,

1753
01:19:59,680 --> 01:20:02,000
so hopefully some good content going out in the next

1754
01:20:02,039 --> 01:20:04,520
few days. Thank you for making this one of your

1755
01:20:04,560 --> 01:20:06,880
first listens of twenty twenty five. Thank you for making

1756
01:20:06,880 --> 01:20:10,039
it towards the end. If you're here, oh my god. Yeah,

1757
01:20:10,079 --> 01:20:12,840
we'll see you all next time. Dan, thanks for coming on, guys,

1758
01:20:12,880 --> 01:20:13,600
thanks for listening.