1 00:00:04,879 --> 00:00:07,160 Speaker 1: What's going on. Thank you so much for listening to 2 00:00:07,200 --> 00:00:09,640 this podcast. It is heard live every day from noon 3 00:00:09,679 --> 00:00:12,480 to three on WBT Radio in Charlotte. And if you 4 00:00:12,560 --> 00:00:16,719 want exclusive content like invitations to events, the weekly live stream, 5 00:00:16,760 --> 00:00:19,239 my daily show prep with all the links, become a patron, 6 00:00:19,320 --> 00:00:22,600 go to dpeakclendershow dot com. Make sure you hit the 7 00:00:22,640 --> 00:00:25,160 subscribe button. Get every episode for free right to your 8 00:00:25,160 --> 00:00:27,719 smartphone or tablet, And again, thank you so much for 9 00:00:27,760 --> 00:00:34,240 your support. So Maryland Senator Chris van Holland finally got 10 00:00:34,240 --> 00:00:40,679 his meeting with Kilmar Albrego Garcia down in El Salvador. 11 00:00:41,840 --> 00:00:46,000 He had attempted to enter the Notorious prison. That's the 12 00:00:46,079 --> 00:00:50,520 name of the prison. I believe it's called notorious meaning 13 00:00:51,439 --> 00:00:57,560 torreous is not allowed noorious. Anyway, the Democrat senator tried 14 00:00:57,560 --> 00:01:00,359 to get in. They didn't let him in, and then 15 00:01:00,439 --> 00:01:02,960 he tried to go back. After he went back to 16 00:01:03,000 --> 00:01:04,439 a hotel or something, and then he tried to go 17 00:01:04,480 --> 00:01:06,519 back and he got stopped at a military checkpoint and 18 00:01:06,519 --> 00:01:11,120 they're like notorious, and so then he went back. But 19 00:01:11,280 --> 00:01:16,280 then they were like, we're going to we're going to 20 00:01:16,319 --> 00:01:19,840 give a furlough. I guess to a Brago, Garcia, and 21 00:01:19,959 --> 00:01:23,200 we're gonna we're gonna bring him along with an interpreter, 22 00:01:23,400 --> 00:01:27,400 as all Maryland fathers need. I'm going to bring this 23 00:01:27,480 --> 00:01:32,120 interpreter to the to a hotel and you're going to 24 00:01:32,159 --> 00:01:38,120 meet him at this hotel where they sipped on coffee, 25 00:01:38,519 --> 00:01:45,439 water and apparently some margaritas. So proof of life confirmed. 26 00:01:45,599 --> 00:01:50,079 He's still alive, he seems healthy, no signs of torture. 27 00:01:50,159 --> 00:01:52,879 He did not communicate that he had been tortured or anything. 28 00:01:54,519 --> 00:01:58,040 So why would they do that? Why would l Salvador 29 00:01:59,040 --> 00:02:05,359 first say no, say no again, and then say, you 30 00:02:05,400 --> 00:02:07,840 know what, why don't you guys meet at this hotel? 31 00:02:08,120 --> 00:02:11,159 And then when they're at the hotel, take a bunch 32 00:02:11,159 --> 00:02:16,159 of pictures and then post them on Twitter. Why would 33 00:02:16,199 --> 00:02:23,000 El Salvador do that? Well, according to the president, Naib Bukeley, 34 00:02:23,759 --> 00:02:27,199 who in case you aren't aware, this guy has been 35 00:02:27,280 --> 00:02:32,120 leading a crackdown on crime for a few years now 36 00:02:32,439 --> 00:02:36,560 and has turned El Salvador from the murder capital of 37 00:02:36,919 --> 00:02:42,159 the Western Hemisphere into a much much safer place, one 38 00:02:42,159 --> 00:02:46,800 of the safest places in the area kilmar Abrego, Garcia. 39 00:02:47,120 --> 00:02:49,080 This is according to a tweet by the president of 40 00:02:49,120 --> 00:02:54,000 El Salvador. Garcia miraculously risen from the quote death camps, 41 00:02:54,159 --> 00:02:58,240 end quote torture, now sipping margheritas with Senator Van Holland 42 00:02:58,240 --> 00:03:00,199 in the tropical paradise of L. Salvador. 43 00:03:02,240 --> 00:03:04,159 Speaker 2: See. 44 00:03:04,479 --> 00:03:07,400 Speaker 1: Part of the issue with this case here is that 45 00:03:08,879 --> 00:03:14,039 Garcia is from L. Salvador. He is an L. Salvadorian 46 00:03:14,439 --> 00:03:19,520 or El Salvadora, El salvadoright whatever, He's from El Salvador. 47 00:03:20,400 --> 00:03:24,159 And yes, the Trump administration messed up, they said they 48 00:03:24,199 --> 00:03:27,719 did by sending him to El Salvador. The one country 49 00:03:27,919 --> 00:03:30,960 that a judge in America said, don't send him there, Like, fine, 50 00:03:31,120 --> 00:03:35,840 deport him, but send him someplace besides El Salvador. So 51 00:03:35,879 --> 00:03:38,199 they send him there anyway. Now, the problem is that 52 00:03:38,240 --> 00:03:44,439 El Salvador, because of Bukeley and the focus on making L. 53 00:03:44,560 --> 00:03:53,240 Salvador safe, he's been imprisoning a lot of people, gang members, 54 00:03:53,280 --> 00:03:56,439 cartel members and stuff. They've been on this massive campaign. 55 00:03:56,919 --> 00:04:00,560 I guess that's why the jail is now notorious. It's 56 00:04:00,599 --> 00:04:06,000 because it's it's packed with Trende Arragua, MS thirteen, Barrio eighteen, 57 00:04:06,520 --> 00:04:09,120 these various criminal organizations. 58 00:04:10,919 --> 00:04:12,240 Speaker 2: So the L. 59 00:04:12,319 --> 00:04:18,000 Speaker 1: Salvadoran government is not interested in letting this guy out 60 00:04:18,160 --> 00:04:22,079 if he is in fact a member of MS thirteen. 61 00:04:23,639 --> 00:04:26,399 And so when Chris van Holland says I want to 62 00:04:26,399 --> 00:04:28,480 see him, they're like no, And he says I want 63 00:04:28,519 --> 00:04:30,560 to see him again. They're like no for the second time, 64 00:04:32,519 --> 00:04:34,360 and he's like, I want to see him. Like actually, 65 00:04:34,360 --> 00:04:35,920 you know what, Yeah, come over here, we're going to 66 00:04:35,959 --> 00:04:40,600 have you take a picture with him. And this is 67 00:04:40,639 --> 00:04:47,199 being celebrated by Democrats. Could it be that El Salvador 68 00:04:47,319 --> 00:04:51,000 knows something about this guy and American authorities know something 69 00:04:51,000 --> 00:04:54,160 about this guy, and they're like, you want to you 70 00:04:54,199 --> 00:04:58,040 want to die on this hill? Okay, there's the hill, right, 71 00:04:58,079 --> 00:05:00,319 here's some here's some shoes for you to hike up it. 72 00:05:03,480 --> 00:05:07,680 Salvador and President posted photos of the meeting, but then 73 00:05:07,720 --> 00:05:11,560 also suggested that he will remain incarcerated by his government, 74 00:05:11,600 --> 00:05:14,079 which is being paid by the United States to hold deporties. 75 00:05:14,160 --> 00:05:16,199 This is another thing. In the caller in the last hour, 76 00:05:16,680 --> 00:05:20,639 Tyler mentioned the contract that we're paying. The contract we're 77 00:05:20,639 --> 00:05:27,920 paying is for TDA Trende Ragua, right, that's what the like, 78 00:05:27,959 --> 00:05:32,560 that's who we were deporting, the TDA guys. MS thirteen, 79 00:05:32,680 --> 00:05:37,399 particularly an L Salvadoran national being returned to their home country. 80 00:05:38,240 --> 00:05:40,199 I'm not so sure we're paying for him at all, 81 00:05:41,079 --> 00:05:43,439 because that's one of your guys. We just had to 82 00:05:43,480 --> 00:05:45,680 get him out of our country. He's now back in 83 00:05:45,720 --> 00:05:48,720 his home country, your country. If you want to keep 84 00:05:48,800 --> 00:05:51,600 him in your prison for whatever charges you've got him on, 85 00:05:52,279 --> 00:05:56,720 that's up to them. That's a sovereign country. We shouldn't 86 00:05:56,759 --> 00:06:03,399 be paying to incarcerate him down in El Salvador. Abrego's wife, 87 00:06:03,600 --> 00:06:08,160 Abrego Garcia's wife, Jennifer Vasquez, said in a statement after 88 00:06:08,199 --> 00:06:11,680 the meeting with Van Holland that her prayers have been answered. 89 00:06:13,160 --> 00:06:20,959 According to CBS News, El Salvador's notorious terrorism Confinement Center, 90 00:06:20,959 --> 00:06:23,399 they actually did it twice, so they call it the 91 00:06:23,399 --> 00:06:27,240 notorious Terrorism Confinement Center, and then later on they call 92 00:06:27,279 --> 00:06:32,839 it the notorious supermax prison. It's notorious. Terrible things going 93 00:06:32,879 --> 00:06:37,600 on in the prison. Yes, let me go over and 94 00:06:37,639 --> 00:06:40,600 I'll talk to this Cohen. Sure, Hello, Cohen, Welcome to 95 00:06:40,639 --> 00:06:40,959 the show. 96 00:06:42,160 --> 00:06:45,720 Speaker 3: Thank you, Pete. Listen, tell me about the tattoos on 97 00:06:45,800 --> 00:06:50,439 that guy's fingers. From on his corner, he has a 98 00:06:50,480 --> 00:06:53,519 marijuana leaf and then he has a smiley face in 99 00:06:53,639 --> 00:06:56,920 the one and that well, what's the first letter of marijuana? 100 00:06:57,839 --> 00:07:01,079 M what's the first letter? Was Smiley signs. 101 00:07:02,720 --> 00:07:05,639 Speaker 1: I kind of feel like I said this already, Smiley S. 102 00:07:05,639 --> 00:07:10,439 Speaker 3: Smiley S Yep, yeah, as one three. 103 00:07:11,199 --> 00:07:15,079 Speaker 1: Yeah, the one is a cross, right. MS thirteen uses 104 00:07:15,079 --> 00:07:18,120 the cross to hide the one, and then they have 105 00:07:18,240 --> 00:07:21,480 the skull where they make the three inside of the skull. 106 00:07:22,079 --> 00:07:25,160 And so yes, that's the MS thirteen. Correct. You have 107 00:07:25,240 --> 00:07:26,079 cracked the code. 108 00:07:26,120 --> 00:07:32,839 Speaker 2: Cohen, Well, it just came to me. 109 00:07:33,199 --> 00:07:35,319 Speaker 1: There you go, all right, Cohen, I appreciate the call. 110 00:07:35,399 --> 00:07:40,800 Have a great weekend. Yeah. The administration admitted in court 111 00:07:40,800 --> 00:07:43,720 papers that Brego Garcia was sent to l Salvador with 112 00:07:43,879 --> 00:07:47,480 hundreds of others salvador And and Venezuelan migrants due to 113 00:07:47,480 --> 00:07:53,120 an administrative error. US District Court Judge Paula Zennis or 114 00:07:53,240 --> 00:07:56,360 maybe that would be formerly known as Twitter in US, 115 00:07:58,279 --> 00:08:01,720 ordered the government to facilitated of Brego Garcia's return to 116 00:08:01,759 --> 00:08:04,639 the United States, and the Supreme Court backed up that order, 117 00:08:05,079 --> 00:08:07,639 but he has remained in El Salvador since then, with 118 00:08:08,199 --> 00:08:12,759 Twitter Inness suggesting that the government hasn't complied with her 119 00:08:12,879 --> 00:08:15,959 order and demanding regular updates on his status. The Trump 120 00:08:16,000 --> 00:08:19,519 administration has pushed back, arguing it's up to l Salvador 121 00:08:19,600 --> 00:08:23,120 to decide whether to return a Brego Garcia, an argument 122 00:08:23,160 --> 00:08:27,720 that an appeals court called shocking yesterday. The government has 123 00:08:27,879 --> 00:08:31,759 also alleged Abrego Garcia is linked to the Salvadoran gang 124 00:08:31,879 --> 00:08:36,759 MS thirteen, citing a confidential informant, though his attorneys have 125 00:08:36,840 --> 00:08:40,080 denied that that allegation and noted that A. Brigo Garcia 126 00:08:40,080 --> 00:08:43,200 has not been charged or convicted of any crimes. Spoiler alert, 127 00:08:43,240 --> 00:08:45,840 he does not need to be. He does not need 128 00:08:45,879 --> 00:08:49,279 to be convicted of crimes in order to get a 129 00:08:49,360 --> 00:08:52,519 deportation order against him. You know what, you need to 130 00:08:52,519 --> 00:08:55,960 get a deportation order to be in the country illegally, 131 00:08:57,639 --> 00:09:02,559 which he admitted to. Abrego Garcia, born in El Salvador, 132 00:09:02,759 --> 00:09:05,159 entered the US illegally in twenty eleven at the age 133 00:09:05,159 --> 00:09:08,320 of sixteen. He was arrested outside of a Maryland home 134 00:09:08,399 --> 00:09:12,960 depot in twenty nineteen. This is CBS News, but a 135 00:09:13,080 --> 00:09:19,519 judge barred the government from deporting him to El Salvador. Yes, 136 00:09:20,919 --> 00:09:25,480 but not any other country, CBS warning he could be 137 00:09:25,559 --> 00:09:28,039 persecuted by gangs in his home country. That was his 138 00:09:28,080 --> 00:09:30,440 fear years later, which by the way, is based on 139 00:09:30,519 --> 00:09:34,919 this story that he told that a gang Barrio eighteen, 140 00:09:36,080 --> 00:09:40,000 was trying to shake down his mother who was selling 141 00:09:40,039 --> 00:09:44,279 food out of her apartment or something, and they were 142 00:09:44,279 --> 00:09:48,080 gonna kill him if she didn't pay them. But she 143 00:09:48,159 --> 00:09:51,080 doesn't sell food out of her apartment building any longer, 144 00:09:51,279 --> 00:09:54,320 and the Barrio eighteen gang has been smashed by the 145 00:09:54,360 --> 00:09:57,759 new president Buchelea, who has been cracking down on the gangs. 146 00:09:59,279 --> 00:10:01,120 So I'm not sure or if that threat is still 147 00:10:01,240 --> 00:10:04,639 viable as it was back in twenty nineteen or so. 148 00:10:05,879 --> 00:10:08,879 He was detained by immigration agents in Maryland and sent 149 00:10:08,960 --> 00:10:13,519 down to the Salvadoran Detention Center, the notorious detention center, 150 00:10:13,559 --> 00:10:19,399 I should say. So we do have evidence of his 151 00:10:19,480 --> 00:10:23,320 connections to MS thirteen, which is what the original judges 152 00:10:24,039 --> 00:10:28,000 heard when they determined that he should be deported. 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Dot Com 171 00:11:31,159 --> 00:11:36,559 got a message on Twitter from Russ responding to caller 172 00:11:36,639 --> 00:11:39,320 Tyler in the last hour who said he was a 173 00:11:39,399 --> 00:11:45,399 libertarian I think and by the way, because he said 174 00:11:45,399 --> 00:11:47,759 you're a libertarian to me, and I said, well, I 175 00:11:47,759 --> 00:11:49,720 didn't say this to him, but I have often said 176 00:11:49,759 --> 00:11:53,480 I am a lower case L libertarian because I disagree 177 00:11:53,519 --> 00:11:57,320 with the capital L Libertarian Party. A lot of their 178 00:11:58,720 --> 00:12:02,519 platforms or planks in their platform I should say, and 179 00:12:02,679 --> 00:12:05,519 one of the biggest ones is on foreign policy. I 180 00:12:07,080 --> 00:12:10,440 tend to view things the way they are. I hope 181 00:12:10,440 --> 00:12:12,559 for better, but I tend to view things the way 182 00:12:12,559 --> 00:12:17,240 they are and the way things are on the planet 183 00:12:18,320 --> 00:12:22,320 we have, you know, to quote Rush Limbaugh, the world 184 00:12:22,399 --> 00:12:26,519 is governed by the aggressive use of force. Now you 185 00:12:26,519 --> 00:12:29,600 may not like that, that may not that may not 186 00:12:29,720 --> 00:12:36,320 comport with, you know, the libertarian principles of non aggression 187 00:12:36,360 --> 00:12:38,879 and everything else. But that doesn't make that true. It 188 00:12:38,879 --> 00:12:44,840 doesn't mean that everybody else abides that. And so one 189 00:12:44,840 --> 00:12:46,480 of the things, you know, one of the things is 190 00:12:46,480 --> 00:12:51,159 we have these things called countries. They have borders, and 191 00:12:53,320 --> 00:12:55,440 I think that you don't have a country if you 192 00:12:55,440 --> 00:12:59,159 don't have borders. And I think that these countries that 193 00:12:59,240 --> 00:13:04,480 are you know, made up of usually a homogenized kind 194 00:13:04,480 --> 00:13:09,799 of people, a population, whether it's through ethnicity or heritage 195 00:13:10,000 --> 00:13:18,200 or race, or you know, mainly culture, language or concepts philosophy, 196 00:13:18,240 --> 00:13:20,840 which is what America was founded to be, right, it's 197 00:13:20,840 --> 00:13:25,519 an idea that we are united in this idea. And 198 00:13:25,600 --> 00:13:30,840 so the world has always had countries that project their 199 00:13:30,919 --> 00:13:34,559 power beyond their own borders always. That has always been 200 00:13:34,600 --> 00:13:39,799 the case, even before there were countries. And so my 201 00:13:40,039 --> 00:13:43,360 simple question to you know, capital L libertarians has always 202 00:13:43,360 --> 00:13:45,200 been the same, which is, if you don't want us 203 00:13:45,279 --> 00:13:48,120 to do it, and you can make all the arguments 204 00:13:48,159 --> 00:13:50,600 about how terrible we've done it and all of that, fine, 205 00:13:50,639 --> 00:13:53,360 I will see all of that. I'll concede every one 206 00:13:53,399 --> 00:13:55,360 of those things to you. Right or wrong, doesn't matter. 207 00:13:56,120 --> 00:13:59,840 Who do you prefer does it? Because somebody will do it. 208 00:14:01,919 --> 00:14:04,960 Tell me another country that you would prefer to project 209 00:14:05,039 --> 00:14:09,320 its power beyond its borders onto us? Who would you 210 00:14:09,360 --> 00:14:12,480 prefer that be? And this is so that's one of 211 00:14:12,519 --> 00:14:14,759 the disagreements I have. There are some others, but that's 212 00:14:14,759 --> 00:14:16,960 one of the big ones is on the foreign policy 213 00:14:17,000 --> 00:14:20,919 front and illegal immigration. The libertarian party on illegal immigration 214 00:14:21,000 --> 00:14:25,759 has not always been where I land either. So anyway, 215 00:14:26,080 --> 00:14:29,440 Russ says, Tyler's call is why I can't go full 216 00:14:29,600 --> 00:14:33,240 capital L libertarian. I agree with almost all of the principles, 217 00:14:33,279 --> 00:14:35,000 but they always seem to reach a point where they 218 00:14:35,000 --> 00:14:39,559 cannot lead to any meaningful action. Also, his principled libertarian 219 00:14:39,679 --> 00:14:43,600 stance led him to government intervening to care for people 220 00:14:43,639 --> 00:14:50,840 who have by their own actions rejected our national social contract. Yeah, 221 00:14:51,080 --> 00:14:53,600 I did find it. That's why I asked Tyler one 222 00:14:53,639 --> 00:14:56,360 of those questions, because I found it sort of interesting 223 00:14:56,399 --> 00:14:58,799 that he was advocating that the government should take care 224 00:14:58,960 --> 00:15:03,000 of somebody in another country, that we need to make 225 00:15:03,039 --> 00:15:05,320 sure that he's being cared for and all of this, 226 00:15:05,440 --> 00:15:08,639 And then it turned into a morality argument of like, 227 00:15:08,679 --> 00:15:11,960 this is who we are as Americans. Well, you can 228 00:15:12,039 --> 00:15:16,039 stuff a lot of government intervention under that category, you know, 229 00:15:16,399 --> 00:15:20,240 if that's your overarching philosophy, you can justify a lot 230 00:15:20,279 --> 00:15:23,919 of stuff. You know, beware the government that tells you 231 00:15:23,960 --> 00:15:26,960 they're doing this in order to help you or to 232 00:15:27,039 --> 00:15:31,639 protect you, because that's usually not government's jam, just saying. 233 00:15:31,799 --> 00:15:34,480 The thing that they're good at again to quote Rush 234 00:15:34,960 --> 00:15:38,240 is military action. And the military is there to write, 235 00:15:38,559 --> 00:15:41,399 kill people and break things. They do a pretty good 236 00:15:41,480 --> 00:15:46,320 job at it. And that's what's needed because the ability 237 00:15:46,399 --> 00:15:50,559 to say no, it carries with it an implied use 238 00:15:50,720 --> 00:15:56,080 of force. Because if you cannot say no without that implication, 239 00:15:56,519 --> 00:15:59,279 then you can't really say no. And anybody who has 240 00:15:59,320 --> 00:16:03,399 had any interaction with MS thirteen or the MOB or 241 00:16:03,480 --> 00:16:09,080 anybody any government agency, if you are up against somebody 242 00:16:09,200 --> 00:16:11,960 or some entity that's got the ability to force you 243 00:16:12,039 --> 00:16:14,919 to do something, then you really don't get to say no. 244 00:16:15,720 --> 00:16:17,519 All right, if you're listening to this show, you know 245 00:16:17,600 --> 00:16:19,559 I try to keep up with all sorts of current events, 246 00:16:19,600 --> 00:16:21,679 and I know you do too, And you've probably heard 247 00:16:21,720 --> 00:16:25,759 me say get your news from multiple sources. Why well, 248 00:16:25,799 --> 00:16:28,519 because it's how you detect media bias, which is why 249 00:16:28,559 --> 00:16:31,759 I've been so impressed with ground News. 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Subscribe through that link and you'll 261 00:17:07,319 --> 00:17:10,519 get fifteen percent off any subscription. I use the Vantage 262 00:17:10,519 --> 00:17:14,000 plan to get unlimited access to every feature your subscription. 263 00:17:14,119 --> 00:17:16,799 Then not only helps my podcast, but it also supports 264 00:17:16,839 --> 00:17:20,079 ground news as they make the media landscape more transparent. 265 00:17:20,720 --> 00:17:22,839 All right, let me jump over and get to Steve 266 00:17:23,000 --> 00:17:24,960 on the line. Hello Steve, welcome to the show. 267 00:17:25,880 --> 00:17:28,200 Speaker 2: Hey Pete, Yeah, Steve, how you doing, brother? 268 00:17:28,759 --> 00:17:29,720 Speaker 1: I'm all right? How are you? 269 00:17:30,759 --> 00:17:33,519 Speaker 2: I'm doing great? Man good. I got a question about 270 00:17:33,559 --> 00:17:38,799 this senator, right, and plus we've wasted two weeks with 271 00:17:38,920 --> 00:17:44,279 this one. One topic is ridiculous? But who paid for 272 00:17:44,359 --> 00:17:46,039 his trip? Pete? Do you know? 273 00:17:47,319 --> 00:17:49,799 Speaker 1: My understanding is that it was paid for out of 274 00:17:49,839 --> 00:17:54,200 his taxpayer funded senate funds? 275 00:17:54,960 --> 00:17:59,000 Speaker 2: Great? Great, So in other words, the state Department DJ 276 00:17:59,319 --> 00:18:02,920 nobody authored him to go there. He chose to do 277 00:18:02,960 --> 00:18:05,559 it on his own and used our money to do it, right. 278 00:18:05,359 --> 00:18:08,319 Speaker 1: I mean, that's my understanding. I've not seen the accounting 279 00:18:08,400 --> 00:18:10,480 for it, but that would be my guess is that 280 00:18:10,559 --> 00:18:12,960 it was an official, you know trip, and that he 281 00:18:13,079 --> 00:18:16,519 used all of the all senators and congressmen, they get 282 00:18:16,559 --> 00:18:21,880 an allocation to their individual offices so they can, you know, 283 00:18:21,960 --> 00:18:24,720 buy furniture and whatever, and like every year, Ran Paul 284 00:18:25,119 --> 00:18:27,880 refunds a bunch of the money back that he didn't use, 285 00:18:29,400 --> 00:18:31,480 and so I suspect that's what he used to pay 286 00:18:31,519 --> 00:18:32,960 for it, but I don't know that for sure. 287 00:18:33,279 --> 00:18:39,559 Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, well we're missing the whole reason of his trip. 288 00:18:40,640 --> 00:18:44,279 His whole reason for that trip was to get votes 289 00:18:44,720 --> 00:18:47,839 in Maryland to show he stood up for that for 290 00:18:47,880 --> 00:18:51,039 the Latino side of things, that's the only reason that 291 00:18:51,119 --> 00:18:52,000 man went down there. 292 00:18:52,119 --> 00:18:55,240 Speaker 1: Well, but here's the thing. I would tend to agree 293 00:18:55,240 --> 00:18:59,160 with you. It's it was a pr move on his part. 294 00:18:59,319 --> 00:19:02,799 I agree with you. But the problem is that Hispanics 295 00:19:02,799 --> 00:19:06,720 don't dig the MS thirteen either, because the people that 296 00:19:06,759 --> 00:19:10,680 are terrorized by MS thirteen are generally Hispanics in the 297 00:19:10,720 --> 00:19:14,400 communities where MS thirteen takes takes over. 298 00:19:15,200 --> 00:19:16,079 Speaker 2: So that's true. 299 00:19:16,200 --> 00:19:19,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's one of these disconnects that on this illegal 300 00:19:19,200 --> 00:19:23,440 immigration story that Democrats have never seemed to understand that 301 00:19:23,599 --> 00:19:27,960 when you allow, you know, illegal aliens, criminal aliens to 302 00:19:28,000 --> 00:19:30,799 come in, they prey upon the very people you claim 303 00:19:30,880 --> 00:19:35,519 to be trying to protect. So yeah, it's yeah, it's 304 00:19:35,839 --> 00:19:37,640 one of those things that you know, Democrats, but I 305 00:19:37,680 --> 00:19:40,200 want to know, keep making the same mistakes that Democrats 306 00:19:40,279 --> 00:19:42,920 just don't change. You're doing great, Steve, I appreciate the call, buddy, 307 00:19:42,920 --> 00:19:47,119 have a great weekend. Regarding the caller in the first hour, 308 00:19:47,240 --> 00:19:51,200 Tyler Jason writes into Pete at Thepete calendarshow dot com. 309 00:19:52,079 --> 00:19:54,359 I think what Tyler was saying, let me translate for 310 00:19:54,400 --> 00:19:56,559 you is I want things my way, and I'm going 311 00:19:56,599 --> 00:20:00,720 to spin in cycles verbally until we get there. I 312 00:20:00,759 --> 00:20:03,160 want open borders and to break this country in ways 313 00:20:03,519 --> 00:20:06,079 that can only be solved by my special all knowing 314 00:20:06,519 --> 00:20:09,279 white progressive mind. Well, he claimed to be a libertarian, Jason, 315 00:20:09,799 --> 00:20:13,559 so I think he was a libertarian, so I'm not 316 00:20:13,559 --> 00:20:18,799 sure if he's progressive. And then yes, Allison, the tattoos 317 00:20:18,839 --> 00:20:23,960 on this guy's knuckles, and I started the program with this, 318 00:20:24,039 --> 00:20:29,000 the MS one three. That's what the symbols mean on 319 00:20:29,039 --> 00:20:33,880 his knuckles. And by the way, law enforcement recognized this too. 320 00:20:33,920 --> 00:20:39,799 They have the it was the gang gang Information something 321 00:20:39,880 --> 00:20:43,960 or other report that they had put together because they 322 00:20:43,960 --> 00:20:46,720 had picked him up with two other known MS thirteen 323 00:20:46,799 --> 00:20:49,640 gang members. Oh and by the way, when Donald Trump 324 00:20:49,960 --> 00:20:53,359 he was apparently doing some swearing in or something today 325 00:20:53,799 --> 00:20:58,119 and somebody asked him, you know, because he always opens 326 00:20:58,119 --> 00:21:02,160 the floor for questions, somebody asks him about this meeting. 327 00:21:02,200 --> 00:21:07,119 And this guy a Brego Garcia, And here's how MSNBC 328 00:21:07,319 --> 00:21:11,400 covered it as Donald Trump started to outline the evidence 329 00:21:11,440 --> 00:21:15,480 against Abrego Garcia, connecting him to MS thirteen. 330 00:21:15,920 --> 00:21:20,039 Speaker 2: In twenty nineteen, Garcia was issued a deportation order two 331 00:21:20,079 --> 00:21:23,119 separate judges of firm Garcia was a member of MS thirteen, 332 00:21:23,200 --> 00:21:25,400 which is a gang that maybe even worse. 333 00:21:25,440 --> 00:21:29,039 Speaker 1: We've been watching President Donald Trump there swearing in the 334 00:21:29,200 --> 00:21:33,799 new administrator of the CMS, the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid, 335 00:21:33,799 --> 00:21:36,839 doctor Memmett. There you go, doctor Oz getting a sworn in. 336 00:21:37,599 --> 00:21:40,880 But as soon as he started talking about the facts 337 00:21:40,920 --> 00:21:43,799 of the case, which if you're MSNBC, don't you want 338 00:21:43,839 --> 00:21:46,920 to know the facts of the case now? Of course not, 339 00:21:48,160 --> 00:21:53,440 That just makes your narratives harder to spin. I can 340 00:21:53,519 --> 00:21:58,920 disagree with the Trump administration's approach to fixing their mess up, 341 00:21:59,640 --> 00:22:01,839 and they did mess up. They said they messed up. 342 00:22:02,000 --> 00:22:05,240 I'm not attacking the Trump administration for this. I'm just 343 00:22:05,319 --> 00:22:08,359 pointing out that they said they messed up by sending 344 00:22:08,480 --> 00:22:11,880 him to El Salvador, not that they deported him, but 345 00:22:11,880 --> 00:22:14,640 that they deported him to that specific country because a 346 00:22:14,720 --> 00:22:19,079 judge said he can be deported, another judge said, yes, 347 00:22:19,359 --> 00:22:24,240 deport him, and then a third judge gave him this, 348 00:22:24,240 --> 00:22:26,680 this ruling that said, Okay, yes you can deport him, 349 00:22:26,720 --> 00:22:29,799 but only to El Salvador. And then the Trump administration 350 00:22:29,839 --> 00:22:33,640 threw him on a plane to l Salvador. And that's 351 00:22:33,680 --> 00:22:36,480 the violation. See like that, to me is the only 352 00:22:36,599 --> 00:22:40,000 due process argument to be made. And all Trump has 353 00:22:40,079 --> 00:22:43,119 to do is give the guy a bus ticket to 354 00:22:43,160 --> 00:22:46,880 get him out of the country and to ask the 355 00:22:46,920 --> 00:22:51,079 president of El Salvador, hey, can you let the guy go? 356 00:22:51,319 --> 00:22:53,640 Or as better yet, give him gas money and drive 357 00:22:53,720 --> 00:22:56,000 him to the border, dump him out, let him go. 358 00:22:58,039 --> 00:23:02,200 But I think the administration is test the bounds of 359 00:23:02,279 --> 00:23:06,640 these courts that are issuing these rulings that are encroaching 360 00:23:06,720 --> 00:23:12,160 into the Article two powers, the presidential powers. Article three 361 00:23:12,319 --> 00:23:15,680 in the Constitution is the judicial powers. And I think 362 00:23:15,720 --> 00:23:20,519 that they want this fight because they are testing where 363 00:23:20,519 --> 00:23:24,559 that line is for the Supreme Court and these district courts. 364 00:23:25,240 --> 00:23:27,440 We want you to say it, what exactly is it 365 00:23:27,519 --> 00:23:30,319 you want us to do? Do you want to write 366 00:23:30,359 --> 00:23:34,519 some foreign diplomatic cables for us? Would you like to 367 00:23:34,519 --> 00:23:36,400 get on the phone with the president of a foreign 368 00:23:36,480 --> 00:23:39,480 nation and act as a surrogate of the people of America? 369 00:23:39,519 --> 00:23:42,000 Even though you were not elected to that position. Would 370 00:23:42,039 --> 00:23:43,720 you like to do that? No, because that would be 371 00:23:43,759 --> 00:23:49,920 an encroachment into the article two powers. Just thenews dot 372 00:23:49,960 --> 00:23:57,160 com Stephen richards He reports that an immigration judge held 373 00:23:57,200 --> 00:24:00,839 that the determination that the respondent is againang member appears 374 00:24:00,880 --> 00:24:04,400 to be trustworthy and is supported by other evidence in 375 00:24:04,440 --> 00:24:07,480 the record, namely information contained here. It is in the 376 00:24:07,599 --> 00:24:12,559 Gang Field Interview Sheet or the GFIS. Although the court 377 00:24:12,599 --> 00:24:15,880 is reluctant to give evidentiary weight to the respondent's clothing 378 00:24:15,960 --> 00:24:19,799 as an indication of gang affiliation, the fact that a past, 379 00:24:20,119 --> 00:24:25,359 proven and reliable source of information verified his gang membership, 380 00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:30,079 his rank in the gang, and his gang name that 381 00:24:30,240 --> 00:24:34,720 is sufficient to support that Garcia is a gang member. 382 00:24:34,759 --> 00:24:37,920 And the respondent has failed to present any evidence to 383 00:24:38,079 --> 00:24:41,319 rebut that assertion. And in fact, they're like, he was 384 00:24:41,359 --> 00:24:44,680 picked up with these two other known MS thirteen gang members. 385 00:24:44,839 --> 00:24:46,759 And one of the things about MS thirteen is you're 386 00:24:46,799 --> 00:24:49,799 not allowed to hang out with anybody besides gang members 387 00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:55,279 or recruits. That's one of their deals because they don't 388 00:24:55,279 --> 00:24:58,839 want you talking with other people outside the gang. That's 389 00:24:58,880 --> 00:25:02,839 how they keep control of the gang. So he just happens. Oh, 390 00:25:03,039 --> 00:25:06,759 and I went over yesterday that he got busted running 391 00:25:06,839 --> 00:25:10,240 a van down to Texas and picking up a bunch 392 00:25:10,240 --> 00:25:12,759 of people. He had seven people in his car. I 393 00:25:12,759 --> 00:25:14,720 think one or two of them may have been MS thirteen, 394 00:25:14,759 --> 00:25:16,839 I don't remember, but the but he's driving him up 395 00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:21,119 to Maryland. No license pulled over in Tennessee. They call 396 00:25:21,240 --> 00:25:25,039 up Department of Homeland Security and the FBI and they're like, yeah, 397 00:25:25,079 --> 00:25:28,359 we'll check into it. 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The report that was submitted to 424 00:26:56,640 --> 00:27:01,160 the court included information intelligence from the Prince George County 425 00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:06,880 Gang Unit and the Prince George's County Police Gang Unit. 426 00:27:07,519 --> 00:27:11,960 According to them, Abrego Garcia was validated as a member 427 00:27:12,039 --> 00:27:19,920 of MS thirteen. He was identified as a member cha Keo. 428 00:27:21,039 --> 00:27:26,400 I think that was cha Keo was the rank from 429 00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:29,920 the Western Clique of MS thirteen, and I believe his 430 00:27:30,759 --> 00:27:37,000 moniker was chilechl E. So you can argue he went 431 00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:40,279 to the wrong country, but you cannot argue that he 432 00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:43,400 wasn't ordered deported and he didn't have due process for 433 00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:49,160 those orders to be issued. Now, the Supreme Court announced 434 00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:52,680 yesterday that it's going to hear arguments in May on 435 00:27:52,799 --> 00:27:57,279 President Trump's proposed limits on birthright citizenship, but it's not 436 00:27:57,400 --> 00:28:00,400 clear whether they would weigh in on the constitution of 437 00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:05,200 Trump's proposal or instead decide only whether it can be 438 00:28:05,279 --> 00:28:09,920 blocked nationwide by a single federal district court judge. This 439 00:28:09,960 --> 00:28:13,920 is the parallel path. Okay, you're arguing this one issue, 440 00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:16,720 but there are other issues involved, and they may be 441 00:28:16,920 --> 00:28:23,440 of equal or even greater importance than the case being argued. 442 00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:30,440 Ed Morrissey at hot air dot Com. He said the 443 00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:33,519 easiest action to take would have been for the Supreme 444 00:28:33,559 --> 00:28:35,960 Court to ignore the requests and just let the cases 445 00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:39,960 play out, but instead the Court decided to consolidate these 446 00:28:40,039 --> 00:28:43,039 I think there are three of them. They combine these 447 00:28:43,039 --> 00:28:46,319 three cases and they're going to hear them all, and 448 00:28:46,359 --> 00:28:50,039 The New York Times says the move is a sign 449 00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:54,200 that the justices consider the matter significant enough that they 450 00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:56,960 would immediately consider it rather than letting it play out 451 00:28:57,000 --> 00:29:00,519 in the lower courts. That means that the executive order 452 00:29:00,759 --> 00:29:04,599 will remain paused in every state while the Court considers 453 00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:08,519 the case. Because these injunctions were issued by in three 454 00:29:08,559 --> 00:29:14,759 different lawsuits, three different complaints, three different judges. They issued 455 00:29:14,799 --> 00:29:18,000 injunctions across the entire country, and the Trump administration is 456 00:29:18,119 --> 00:29:24,359 arguing a single judge doesn't have that authority. Essentially, right, 457 00:29:25,319 --> 00:29:27,440 but this was also the status. If they just let 458 00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:32,119 this stay remain in place, that would have also affected 459 00:29:32,119 --> 00:29:34,640 the same outcome. The Supreme Court could have just left 460 00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:37,400 it alone to achieve the outcome by default, right, So 461 00:29:37,519 --> 00:29:40,400 why do this? It means that at least four of 462 00:29:40,440 --> 00:29:43,720 the judges on the Supreme Court want to debate this 463 00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:48,720 case now rather than later. But are they debating the 464 00:29:48,759 --> 00:29:53,079 merits of the order on the birthright citizenship or are 465 00:29:53,119 --> 00:29:57,839 they going to be debating the reach of the stays 466 00:29:58,119 --> 00:30:01,400 issued by the judges? And maybe both? Occasionally, the Court 467 00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:06,319 will consider and issue and order defining the scope of 468 00:30:06,319 --> 00:30:08,960 its review. They'll say, we're just looking at this one part, 469 00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:13,440 but this order contains no such limitation. It appears that 470 00:30:13,519 --> 00:30:17,920 Trump administration wants to challenge district courts in their habit 471 00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:21,759 these days of applying stays and injunctions nationally, or at 472 00:30:21,839 --> 00:30:26,960 least more broadly than just affecting the parties involved. But 473 00:30:27,039 --> 00:30:29,039 that doesn't mean that the Supreme Court has to limit 474 00:30:29,079 --> 00:30:33,480 itself to those issues. They have plenary jurisdiction over cases 475 00:30:33,599 --> 00:30:36,559 anywhere in the federal judiciary, and they can decide to 476 00:30:36,599 --> 00:30:40,359 hear all issues at hand if for or more judges 477 00:30:40,680 --> 00:30:46,480 want to ABC reports, this Court should declare that enough 478 00:30:46,559 --> 00:30:50,119 is enough. This is according to the administration's briefing that 479 00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:54,720 they filed this court. The Supreme Court should declare that 480 00:30:54,839 --> 00:30:58,720 enough is enough before district court's burgeoning reliance on universal 481 00:30:58,720 --> 00:31:03,720 injunctions because further entrenched. The Court should stay the district 482 00:31:03,759 --> 00:31:07,880 court's preliminary injunctions except to the individual plaintiffs and the 483 00:31:08,039 --> 00:31:12,119 identified members of the organizational plaintiffs. In other words, if 484 00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:17,799 you sued, if your organization sued, then that's what the stay, 485 00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:20,839 that's what the injunction should apply to, not to the 486 00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:25,599 entire country. One point to bear in mind the Court 487 00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:30,160 has had ample opportunities to address jurisdictional limits in other 488 00:31:30,279 --> 00:31:36,079 recent challenges. Right, they rebuked Judge James Boseburg for proceeding 489 00:31:36,119 --> 00:31:39,119 in an improper venue, and that did seem to have 490 00:31:39,200 --> 00:31:42,400 an impact on two other court hearing challenges in the 491 00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:45,000 separate issues of the use of the Alien Enemies Act 492 00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:51,359 for accelerated deportations. Those other cases seem better for a 493 00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:56,279 more direct declaration of jurisdictional limitations. But maybe this is 494 00:31:56,480 --> 00:31:59,920 just the first case or set of cases to annoy 495 00:32:00,559 --> 00:32:05,559 enough justices to warrant a long needed intervention to discourage 496 00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:10,640 venue shopping. Right, that's what this is about. Venue shopping. 497 00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:15,799 Plaintiffs going to find judges that they know will issue 498 00:32:15,839 --> 00:32:22,160 broad orders so they can get national injunctions or or 499 00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:28,319 or rulings through a single judge. Right In with a 500 00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:34,519 with an allied ideology. Ed Morrissey concludes this piece at 501 00:32:34,559 --> 00:32:36,640 hot air dot Com by pointing out it appears to 502 00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:39,519 be a recognition that the only or that only the 503 00:32:39,599 --> 00:32:43,799 Supreme Court can effectively resolve the debate over the language 504 00:32:43,799 --> 00:32:47,000 and meaning of the citizenship clause in the Fourteenth Amendment. 505 00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:51,920 So you've got two issues. They may be of equal importance, 506 00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:54,799 and the Supreme Court said, yeah, we're gonna hear it 507 00:32:54,839 --> 00:32:58,599 next month. All right, that'll do it for this episode. 508 00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:00,720 Thank you so much for listening. I could not do 509 00:33:00,759 --> 00:33:02,920 the show without your support and the support of the 510 00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:06,000 businesses that advertise on the podcast, so if you'd like, 511 00:33:06,119 --> 00:33:08,200 please support them too and tell them you heard it here. 512 00:33:08,359 --> 00:33:10,880 You can also become a patron at my Patreon page 513 00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:14,559 or go to thepetecleanershow dot com. Again, thank you so 514 00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:21,279 much for listening, and don't break anything while I'm gone.