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Speaker 2: The story you were about to hear is true. The

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names have been changed to protect the innocent. You're a

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detective sergeant. You're assigned a homicide detail. You receive a

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complaint about the owner of an apartment building. He signs

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leases for the apartments, then he threatens to kill the

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tenants if they move in your job investigate.

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Speaker 3: Dragnet. The document a drama of an actual crime for

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the next thirty minutes, in cooperation with the Los Angeles

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side of the law through an actual case transcribed from

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official police violence, from beginning to end, from crime to punishment.

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Dragnet is the story of your police force in action.

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Speaker 4: It was Wednesday, May night was hot in Los Angeles.

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We were working the night Watch out of homicide detail.

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My partner's Ed Jacobs. The boss's Captain Mormon. My name's Friday.

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It was six forty seven pm when I got back

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to the Capitol Avenue Auto Corp. Gotti's number eleven.

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Speaker 5: No, no reason in the world for it. I tried

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to reason with him. He wouldn't even listen. It's the

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craziest thing I ever saw.

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Speaker 6: Yes, and Jeorde, you find the phone right? Yeah?

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Speaker 4: I checked the office. Lope says. They picked up Daniels

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a few minutes ago. They'd bring him downtown.

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Speaker 7: Now they got him that they're going to put him in.

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Speaker 4: Well, it depends, ma'am. It's going to take a little

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more investigating first.

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Speaker 7: I don't see what else you need. He threatened us

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with a gun. Me and Doris asked me if that

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isn't a crime.

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Speaker 6: I don't know what is a few more questions we'd

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like to ask you, man, if you don't mind, couple

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of things we'd like to clear up.

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Speaker 5: I told you just how it happened, Doris, I'll tell

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you the same thing. It's just a crazy old man.

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If you ask me how to be put away?

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Speaker 4: Do you ever have any trouble with mister Daniels before

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this afternoon? Miss Cameron?

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Speaker 7: Excuse me? The baby?

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Speaker 4: Yes?

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Speaker 7: What is it now? Honey? Can't you sleep? You try now?

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Speaker 4: I want you.

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Speaker 7: Daddy'll be home pretty soon.

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Speaker 6: Boy, you try and sleep, Miss Cameron.

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Speaker 7: Yes, oh, you'll be quiet now. I don't want any

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trouble from you. You heard me, be quiet now?

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Speaker 6: You got your hands full?

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Speaker 5: Man, don't I know what a canary of four months

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old baby trying to keep house on an auto court.

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Speaker 7: I knew it was going to be like this. I

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never would have left passer Robles.

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Speaker 4: You've only been in town a week or so? Is

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that right?

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Speaker 7: It's closer to two weeks. Seems more like two months.

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Speaker 5: Trying to get along in a place like this, a

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room in the bath, no place to cook, rints out diapers.

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Speaker 7: It's terrible.

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Speaker 5: I told my husband, he should come down here alone,

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find us a place to live first, then we could move.

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Speaker 7: No, he had to have it his way.

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Speaker 4: Say, your husband made the first contact with Daniels. He

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gave him a deposit on this apartment.

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Speaker 7: That's right.

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Speaker 5: The same day started work at the aircraft plant in

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the valley. We've been living in passor Robe since we

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got married a month ago. Pete, that's my husband. You

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get a lead on this aircraft job down here. Him

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and Ralph came down signed.

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Speaker 7: Up for it.

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Speaker 6: Ralph, who's that, ma'am?

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Speaker 5: Ralph Ashby? He's Doris's husband. Doris Ashby, she's my best girlfriend.

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We were neighbors out in passer Rob. I see we're

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not doing much better than.

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Speaker 7: We are right now.

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Speaker 5: They're staying in another court up the street, same thing,

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room in the bath. Doris is expecting to a poor kid.

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Speaker 7: Did you hear me? You'd be quiet now. You want

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to wake up the baby.

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Speaker 4: About the arrangements your husband made with Daniels to Lease's apartment,

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Miss Cameron.

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Speaker 5: When it was all this, we could go Monday, the

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day after I moved down here, my husband and Ralph

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Ashby saw the rental ad in the paper and they

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went over and talked to Daniels. He said, all right,

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he had an apartment for the Ashby's, the one for us,

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nice places too.

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Speaker 4: I see.

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Speaker 5: Ralph and my husband signed the leases, gave him the

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first and last month's rent in advance.

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Speaker 7: Was all decided.

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Speaker 6: Well, how is it you couldn't move in right away,

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miss Cameron?

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Speaker 5: He said, he was in the apartment house redecorated. Daniels

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apartments would probably be ready for us on the eighth.

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That was yesterday, he said, the ninth, for sure, And

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that's today, And.

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Speaker 4: You tried to move in this afternoon and Daniel's refused

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to let you in. Is that it?

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Speaker 5: I had the movers get all our things out of

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storage and move them out to the apartment. So then

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my girlfriend, Doris, the movers were just starting to get

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our furniture out of the van and move it into

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the apartment when mister Daniels showed up. He acted like

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a crazy man.

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Speaker 6: Would to give any reasons why he couldn't move him.

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Speaker 5: We tried to give us a lot of reasons. None

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of them made any sense. She could ask Doris, She'll

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tell you.

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Speaker 7: She was there with me.

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Speaker 4: Well, what did Daniel's say? Not just for instance.

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Speaker 5: We said a lot of things. First, he told us

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there was no water in the apartments, hadn't been turned

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on yet. He said the gas wasn't turned on either.

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Well I knew that was a lie. I was in

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the apartment late in the morning. Everything was fine, the

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gas was.

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Speaker 7: Working, so was the water.

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Speaker 5: I see when I caught him in that lye, he

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got madder than ever, made some more excuses. Then he

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started yelling and swearing at me right there on the sidewalk.

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Said the apartment just wasn't ready yet.

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Speaker 7: I told him he'd climb a tree. We signed the

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least who paid the rent.

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Speaker 5: We were moving in anyway, told the movers to go

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ahead take in the furniture.

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Speaker 6: What Daniels say then?

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Speaker 7: Nothing?

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Speaker 5: He just got real purple in the face, and he

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put his hand in his coat pocket and he took

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out a gun.

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Speaker 7: Pointed it at me and Doris, and I had the

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baby in my arms.

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Speaker 4: Imagine that he actually told you he shoots you. You

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tried to move in the apartment the right.

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Speaker 5: So many words, Yes, he did. He threatened the moving

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man too. They tried to talk to him. He wouldn't listen.

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We all tried to talk to him. We didn't make

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any sense at all. I wasn't gonna take any chances

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with the baby in my arm. Doris and I got

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in the car and drove away, so the movers they

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left with us. I can't say I'll blame them either.

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Tat Daniels must be out of his mind. It's the

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only thing Nighting figure real nut Well.

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Speaker 4: Did either you or your husband have any arguments with

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him at all before this afternoon?

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Speaker 7: No, everything was fine. This afternoon was the second time

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I ever spoke to the man.

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Speaker 4: He had no objections to your having children or pets

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in the apartment.

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Speaker 7: None at all.

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Speaker 5: That's one of the first things my husband told Daniels

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when he went to look at the apartment. We had

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a baby in a canary. Daniels said it was all

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right with him. He didn't object at all.

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Speaker 6: I understand there's six apartments in the building, Miss Cameron.

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Speaker 5: That right, Yes, that's right. They're all vacant as far

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as I know. Daniel was just bought the bullion a

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month ago. That's why he told my husband. Anyway, he

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had the place redecorated and the work was all done.

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The apartments are just sitting there. That's why I can't

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understand it. Why won't he let us move in? Yes,

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we paid our money, signed the least he gave us

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any kind of a good reason why we shouldn't move in.

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Speaker 7: I could understand it.

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Speaker 5: But to keep us out for no reason at all,

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to stand out there in the sidewalk and threaten to

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shoot us if we move in, me with a baby

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in my arms, I don't know.

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Speaker 7: He must be crazy.

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Speaker 4: You say you were in the apartment this morning, Missus Cameron.

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Did you notice anything unusual about the place, anything out

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of the ordinary. No?

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Speaker 7: Nothing.

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Speaker 4: When you say Daniels couldn't give any reason at all

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why you shouldn't move in, just.

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Speaker 7: One, it convinced me.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I had gone before we left, Missus Cameron. We

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took her crime report and had her sign it, and

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then we drove back downtown to the squadroom where Geene

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Bechdel and Lloyd Bond were waiting with the suspect, Edward Daniels.

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They'd already checked him through our and eye. He had

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no previous criminal record. They gave us a twenty two

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caliber H and R Revolver along with six shells, which

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had been found on the suspect at the time of

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his arrest. The gun had been loaded. Pawn Shop records

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showed that the weapon had been purchased by the suspect

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and had been registered in his name. We had stenographer

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Eleanor Eastlack type up the crime report and ed and

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I took Daniels down the hall of the interrogation room.

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He was a small, thin man, blue eyes, gray hair.

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Speaker 8: Don't know what all the fuss is about out in

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the building. I can keep people out of for WANTA.

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Speaker 6: When we saw the leash signed with the Camerons. The

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other couple too. They paid their rent. Why the sudden

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change of heart.

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Speaker 8: I don't think that's any of your business. Mattered between

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me and the tenant.

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Speaker 4: It's our business when you threaten them with a gun.

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Daniel's assault with a deadly weapon, that's a felony.

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Speaker 8: Didn't hurt the woman, just wanted to scare. That's all

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just a couple of farmers anyway. Never should have given

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them the lease in the first place. While was a

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kid with him, not bird chirping all the time.

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Speaker 4: Odd you happen to have that gun with you this afternoon.

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Speaker 8: Didn't happen to have it carry it all the time.

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It's my business. Isn't it registered down here?

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Speaker 6: I mean, you got a permit to carry this gun.

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Speaker 8: Don't need a permit. Its registered, isn't it.

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Speaker 4: It gave you the idea because the gun's registered, you

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can carry it around.

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Speaker 8: Your pocket, friend of mine. Nothing wrong with it, is there?

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Speaker 4: Having a gun registered is nothing more than keeping a

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permanent record of it. You can keep the gun in

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your home or in your office, but it doesn't give

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you the right to carry it around with you.

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Speaker 8: Oh well, to tell me that when I had it registered?

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Speaker 6: You were told much of Daniels.

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Speaker 8: You know that, well, I don't remember.

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Speaker 6: It doesn't make much difference if you remember or not.

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Nobody is a permit to threaten people with a gun.

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Speaker 8: Told you it wasn't going to hurt her. She just

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kept arguing with me. I'm a sick man, you know.

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Thought she was going to hit me.

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Speaker 4: You. Meanwhile, she was holding that baby in her arms.

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I come off with, Daniels, what's this thing all about?

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Speaker 8: Told you before? I think that's my Because.

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Speaker 4: You signed a year's least with the cameras, you accepted

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the first and last month's rent. You took their money,

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you're advising they could move in this afternoon. When they

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try to move in, you meet him at the front

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door and threaten them with a gun. Now, what's it

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all about? None of this makes any sense?

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Speaker 8: Change my mind. I'm not ready to rent them out yet.

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Speaker 6: Well, and why'd you sign that, least with the cameraon?

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Sow about it, mister Daniels. If there's something in that

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building you're trying to cover up, you might as well

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tell there's a couple of men out there now checking it.

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Speaker 8: You can go ahead and check. I don't care, they

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won't find anything. Got nothing to hide. How long you

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lived here, Daniels, eighteen twenty years.

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Speaker 4: Why where'd you live before you came here?

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Speaker 8: Ohio? Cleveland, Ohio.

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Speaker 4: You ever been arrested?

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Speaker 8: Yeah, couple of traffic tickets. Cops said, I went through

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a stop signal. It wasn't gilly though. What's the point anyway?

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What are you trying to get at, trying to force

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me to let those people in that apartment.

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Speaker 6: I'm not trying to force into anything, Daniels. Business about

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the lease is a civil matter that's between you and

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the camerons.

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Speaker 8: And what are you holding me here for We told.

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Speaker 4: You you threatened that woman with a gun. She sent an

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ADW report.

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Speaker 8: What do you mean ADW assault with a deadly weapon?

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Speaker 4: That's a pretty serious charge.

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Speaker 8: Daniels didn't hurt the woman, didn't even touch her.

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Speaker 6: Planted the gun at her, didn't you.

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Speaker 9: Yeah?

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Speaker 6: Gun was loaded, wasn't it.

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Speaker 8: Yeah?

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Speaker 6: Capable of being fired.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, But I wasn't going to shoot her. I told you,

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just wanted to scare her off, get her out of there.

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It's the truth. I wasn't going to shoot her. What

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do I have to do to convince you?

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Speaker 4: You don't have to convince us.

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Speaker 8: What do you mean, who do I have to convince?

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Speaker 4: You? Got your choice? A judge or jury ed and

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I took the suspect, Edward Daniels down to the main jail,

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where we booke him in on suspicion of four sixty

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seven PCADW. Before he was locked up, Daniels asked us

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if we would take the keys to his car and

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the keys to his apartment house to an Oliver Randall,

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an employee of his who acted as a janitor and

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general handyman at two other apartment houses Daniel's own. We

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told him we would. After we left the main jail,

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we checked by the office, and then we drove out

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to the location of the apartment house to interview the

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neighbors and deliver the keys to Daniel's handyman, Oliver Randall.

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Other than telling us that they considered mister Daniels a

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little eccentric, the neighbors were unable to give us any

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additional information that might help us in the prosecution. After

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we finished talking to the neighbors, we went across the

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street to the apartment house. There were lights burning in

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the upper rear apartment. We tried the bell, but there

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was no answer. From the set of keys Daniels had

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given us. We found the one that fit the door

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and let ourselves in. We heard somebody moving around on

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the floor above us. We went up and found a

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man there who identified himself as Oliver Randall. He appeared

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nervous and upset. There were papers and rags scattered over

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the floor of the room.

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Speaker 9: Oh yeah, I was just cleaning up here. Mister Daniels

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told me to be sure and clean the step the

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papers and gentle.

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Speaker 6: I see, well, here's some keys for your Randall. Daniels

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ask to get them to you.

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Speaker 9: Oh yeah, Piper and house keys. Mister Daniels was supposed

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to meet me here, he said, eight o'clock. I think

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that's but he said, I wonder where he is. You

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know where he is.

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Speaker 4: He's in jail.

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Speaker 9: Oh what's he doing in jail? Did he do something wrong?

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Speaker 4: He's had a complaint file against him, assault with a

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deadly weapon.

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Speaker 9: Where it happened he get mad at somebody. Mister Daniels

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gotten awful, bad temper. When he gets mad at somebody,

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he doesn't forget it. I know I worked for him.

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How long have you worked for him, Randall? I don't know,

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A long time, maybe five years.

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Speaker 4: I forget You say Daniels is a bad temper. Have

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you ever known him to be violent? Randall?

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Speaker 9: How's that?

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Speaker 4: Well? Have you ever known him to be violent? I mean,

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have you ever known him to hurt anyone?

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Speaker 9: I don't know. I don't remember. A lot of times

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he says he's gonna do things. I work for him.

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You know a lot of times he gets mad at me.

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He says, I don't work fast than or I don't

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do the right things. He always carries his gun, you know,

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once he said he was gonna shoot me. I was

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pretty scared. You live with mister Daniels, do you No,

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I have a room downstairs in another apartment house Sea

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Oones and place over on South Hoover. It's a nice room.

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It's got a window in it.

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Speaker 6: You're on a regular salary, that the way you work?

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Speaker 9: Yeah, fifteen dollars a week. I get the room free two.

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It's not bad.

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Speaker 4: You ever been arrested, Randall me?

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Speaker 9: No, I've never been arrested.

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Speaker 4: Have you ever been in the state hospital any kind

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of an institution.

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Speaker 10: No.

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Speaker 9: I was put Camaio for a couple of years. I

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didn't like it too much. I came down here to

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live with my sister. She's dead now, she died about

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four years ago. She's the one that got me this job.

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You know that's Oh yeah, this isn't a bad job

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at all. John's are pretty hard to get now, That's

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what mister Daniels says. It's real tough to get a

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good job. Now. That's why I do what I'm told.

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I better get on fixing up this place.

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Speaker 4: How do all these rags and papers get here? Randal

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the painters leaving behind?

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Speaker 9: Oh I guess so, I guess somebody left him here.

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Speaker 4: We understood the apartments were already cleaned up, they were

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ready to move into.

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Speaker 9: What's that?

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Speaker 4: I say, we understood the apartments were all fixed up,

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that they were ready for the tenants to move right into.

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Speaker 9: Oh, I don't know. I wouldn't know about that. Mister

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Daniels takes care of renting the places. I just help him.

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I do what he tells me.

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Speaker 6: Joe, Yeah, you notice that smell seems to be stronger

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out in the hall.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think I do. How long has it been

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since the painters were working here? Randal? Do you know

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that painters?

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Speaker 9: I don't know. A couple of days. I guess what's

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the man?

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Speaker 4: That's a pretty strong smell. Might be painting or something

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like that. Don't you notice it?

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Speaker 9: Oh? Yeah, I've been wondering that. I noticed that when

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I came in. It might be from upstairs. The attic

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painters were working up there too, I think.

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Speaker 6: Don't you think you ought to check it see what

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it is?

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Speaker 9: Mister Daniels didn't tell me too. I guess they're better though.

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Smell it's pretty strong. I guess I better see what

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it is.

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Speaker 4: How do you get to the attic from here?

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Speaker 9: Down the end of the hall. There's a stairway there.

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It goes right up in the attic. Off show you

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all right, fine, Yeah, snows like gasoline or something.

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Speaker 6: Only apartments are vacans, that right, No one living in

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the building.

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Speaker 9: All yeah, that's right. We go up the stairs here,

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Sir Daniels had the whole place work over. Nobody here

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at all? Right now, I guess he'll be moving in

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pretty soon. It's gonna be a lot of work. Got

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the other two apartment houses take care of, and there's

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gonna be this place. It's gonna be a lot of work.

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Speaker 4: Daniels, Hire anyone else beside yourself to help out with

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the work.

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Speaker 9: I mean, no, I don't think so. Just me. I

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keep pretty busy. Here's the attic.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, it's must be where it's coming from.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's strong enough to knock you over in.

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Speaker 9: The light switch is over.

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Speaker 6: Here's a mess, sure mess, papers, boxes, pound a little rags.

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Speaker 4: Had five yeallon? Can they're on the floor, kerosena. Yeah,

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it's just about empty too.

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Speaker 9: It's all spilled all over the floor. Mister Daniels ain't

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gonna like that. He's gonna get mad.

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Speaker 4: Usually keep this stuff up here. Do you Rental?

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Speaker 9: No, I guess it was with the painters stuff. There's

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cans and things on the table there. I guess he

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got knocked off and spilled spilled all over the place,

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didn't they.

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Speaker 6: Well, how come a painting crew didn't take their stuff

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with him when they left? All this equipment here are

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all finished with a job, aren't they?

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Speaker 9: I guess so you'd have to ask mister Daniels about that.

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They're all finished on the inside. I know that they

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had the outside to do though. Maybe that's why they

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left their stuff.

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Speaker 4: It was not a very safe way to leave it. Rags, papers,

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Look here, kerosene spilled all over. You better get this

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place cleaned up first, don't you think, Rendal?

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Speaker 9: I don't know. I sure wish mister Daniels was here.

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You won't let him know what?

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Speaker 4: Do you mean? Let him know what?

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Speaker 9: Don't tell him? I'll let you see the attic. Huh.

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Speaker 4: Nine thirty five pm. Ed and I left the handyman

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Oliver Randall at his apartment house, went outside and got

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in the car. Neither one of us could find any

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explanation for it, but we both had a hunch that

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was something wrong with a setup. We drove to a

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neighborhood service station, called the office and told them we

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were going to stake the apartment house. We drove back

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and found a place to park where we could keep

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the building under surveillance without being seen. We waited ten

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pm ten thirty eleven o'clock. At a few minutes past eleven,

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we saw Randall come out of the front door of

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the apartment, get in a blue sedan and drive off.

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We followed him to an apartment building on West Pico

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and saw him uter a rear door. We waited. At

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twelve fifteen am, ed got to a phone called Captain

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Bernard at the Business Office and notified him of our location.

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At twelve forty five am, two men arrived to relieve

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us and we briefed him on the facts. We drove

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back to the office, made out of fifteen point seven

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to Captain Norman, and signed out. At four o'clock. The

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next afternoon, we reported back in for work. We checked

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the book and found a message that the suspect, Edward

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Daniels had been released from jail that morning on a

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wrint bail twenty five hundred dollars. The wrint was returnable Thursday,

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May tenth. There was also a message in the book

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for us to contact Daniel's attorney, A Richard Tiernan ed

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put in the call.

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Speaker 6: Yes, sir, I see what's that? Yeah, yeah, I know

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all right, mister Turnan, Yeah, thank you, goodbye. You are right, Joe,

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what do you mean? Daniel's lawyer want to know how

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serious the charges are. It says Daniels is pretty upset.

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It seems he had some trouble lately his insurance company.

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Speaker 4: More, what's the matter? You have an accident?

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Speaker 6: Insurance company doesn't seem to think it was an accident

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happened two months ago at an apartment house over in

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South Union. Yeah, burn don.

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Speaker 3: You are listening to dragnet authentic stories of your police

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force in action.

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Speaker 4: Thursday May tenth, four thirty pm, we contacted the Fire

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Department's arson Squad to find out if the fire at

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Daniel's apartment house on South Union Avenue two months before

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was under investigation. After checking back, they told us investigators

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from the arson squad had found a large amount of

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kerosene to be present and some of the burned timbers

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found in the debris after the fire was put out.

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They said that mister Daniels had admitted after the fire

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that the apartment building had been recently redecorated, and that

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kerosene paint and other inflammables had been stored in the

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attic of the building. Ed and I contacted the insurance

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adjuster handling the case as Snyder Peebles, and he told

477
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us there wasn't any doubt in his mind that the

478
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fire at Daniel's apartment house two months before was of

479
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incendiary origin, but he said so far the investigators were

480
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unable to prove it. The one thing that seemed to

481
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puzzle him was if Daniels planned on burning down the building,

482
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why did he go to the trouble and expense of

483
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redecorating first.

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Speaker 9: Well.

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Speaker 4: As soon as it was dark ed and I drove

486
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out relieved the men on stakeout at the apartment house

487
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on West Pico, where the handyman Oliver Randall had his room.

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They reported no unusual activity during the day. Seven thirty

489
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two pm, Randal came out of the apartment house, got

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in a car and drove off.

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Speaker 6: We followed him. If we got this Randall made right,

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it shouldn't be too long before we find out Daniels

493
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are using him to work something out. I'm pretty sure

494
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we can count on that.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, maybe I'll watch it d he's turning down Union. Yeah,

496
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he's pulling up ahead. Don't cry him.

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Speaker 6: There's a good spot here. Shouldn't be able to see it,

498
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all right, pull.

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Speaker 4: Up in here, all right, it's fine. He's getting out

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of the car.

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Speaker 6: He's going over the house, down the driveway, going around back.

502
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He's out of side.

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Speaker 4: Now right, let's go.

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Speaker 6: There's still no lights in the place. Oh yeah, there

505
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they go in the basement. All right, easy, let's take

506
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it easily. Yeah, I think I can see the back

507
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door from here, right, Come on, easy?

508
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Speaker 4: Now, what is it? Right? Easy with this story? Ed?

509
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Don't let it be huh? Why now sounds like somebody

510
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upstairs the right Come on, watch a step man, come

511
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on next floor up? Yeah, yeah, it's up in the attic.

512
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Come on, all right, come on through the store back

513
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in the corner.

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Speaker 6: End, I say, all, I told you, what's the mattic.

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Speaker 4: There's a fire right over in the corner. I'll get it.

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Speaker 9: Hold on him, right, well, don't put it out.

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Speaker 11: You needn't help show you're getting a right So I'm

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getting an r a minute.

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Speaker 4: All I got it.

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Speaker 6: Okay, you want to get the lights and I got him.

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Speaker 4: All right, Randall, what's the story.

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Speaker 9: You told me to do it? He told me to

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come back tonight and burn the whole place down.

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Speaker 6: Who told you?

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Speaker 9: He said, I'll you go back to the place, to

526
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the attic, light a match, that's all, and then get out.

527
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Mister Daniels. That's just what he said.

528
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Speaker 4: Daniels told you to do this.

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Speaker 9: He told me, just light a fire and nobody'd know.

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He said, there wasn't going to be any trouble, no

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trouble at all.

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Speaker 4: It gives you the edge, doesn't it.

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Speaker 9: No trouble?

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Speaker 4: He said, yeah, Well, next time and you see him,

535
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you can call him a liar. Eight fifty pm, after

536
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making sure that the place was secure and that there

537
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was no danger of fire from the recent arsenal, attempt

538
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ed and I took the suspect, Oliver Randall outside and

539
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put him in the car where we questioned him. He

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made no attempt to disguise the fact that he had

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been directed by his regular employer, Edward Daniels, to commit

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arson by setting fire to the attic of the apartment house.

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In addition, he told us that Daniels had threatened him

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with bodily harm if he refused to obey the order

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and set fire to the building.

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Speaker 9: He had this gun, you know, mister Daniels did. He

547
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always had it with him. I was scared of it.

548
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I don't mind telling you.

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Speaker 6: Huh. He threatened to kill you if you didn't do

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what he wanted that.

551
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Speaker 9: Yeah, I guess so. You used to get mad all

552
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out of the time, and he had this gun. He

553
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as had the gun and get mad at me and

554
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tell me he was going to shoot me. I'm afraid

555
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of guns.

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Speaker 4: How about to fire at the other apartment house Ali,

557
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the one over on South Union Avenue.

558
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Speaker 9: That was a big fire.

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Speaker 4: Did you start that one?

560
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Speaker 9: Daniels told me there was nobody living there. He said

561
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nobody'd get hurt. Nobody did get hurt.

562
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Speaker 6: Did they Do you start the fire?

563
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Speaker 9: Yeah? I guess so, I guess I did.

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Speaker 6: Mister Daniels tell you to do it?

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Speaker 9: He said it was his building, he owned it, He

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could do anything whether he wanted to. I didn't want

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to do it. He told me i'd have to. He

568
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said he'd hurt me with that gun, and he said

569
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he'd fire me too. I didn't want to lose my job.

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Speaker 4: You knew you were doing wrong, didn't Jolly?

571
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Speaker 2: Well?

572
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Speaker 9: I guess I did, yee? What could I do?

573
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Speaker 2: Though?

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Speaker 9: I didn't want to lose my job? Good jobs aren't

575
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too easy to get nowadays. You know that.

576
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Speaker 4: Where's mister Daniels? Now?

577
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Speaker 9: You know you're not going to tell him what I

578
00:22:23,440 --> 00:22:25,839
told you? Are? He said, not to say anything about it.

579
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He said, nobody believe me anyway. Nobody said he'd tell

580
00:22:29,079 --> 00:22:31,599
everybody I was a liar, said they'd believe him before

581
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they'd believe me.

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Speaker 6: Where's Daniels?

583
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Speaker 4: Now?

584
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Speaker 9: If I tell you, you won't let him hurt me,

585
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will you?

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Speaker 6: No, we won't let him hurt you. You're gonna have

587
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to help us out, though.

588
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Speaker 9: What do you want me to do?

589
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Speaker 4: Like to find out where Daniels is? First?

590
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Speaker 9: He's in a movie over on Pico by his house.

591
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He's waiting for me.

592
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Speaker 4: You mean he's waiting for you in the show?

593
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Speaker 9: See in the center section ten rows from the back.

594
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He's waiting for me.

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Speaker 6: Now, well, how's it you're supposed to meet him there?

596
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Speaker 9: No, he said, if anybody wanted to know where we

597
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were tonight, this is proof we didn't start the fire.

598
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Speaker 4: We were at the show.

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Speaker 9: I was supposed to start the fire and then go

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to the show and meet him ten rows from the

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back of the center section.

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Speaker 4: You want to show us where this movie is, Alie.

603
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Speaker 9: Yeah, okay, mister Daniels won't tell you anything. No, he's

604
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going to be mad. He won't tell you anything.

605
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Speaker 4: Well, that's where we need your help.

606
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Speaker 6: Ally, what do you mean, We'll let him tell you.

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Speaker 4: Nine four pm, ED and I, along with a suspect,

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Oliver Randall, drove to the movie house on West Pico.

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On the way, we explained to Randal what he was

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supposed to do. Nine fifty five pm, we parked our

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car half a block from the movie house, bought three tickets,

612
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and went inside. The feature picture was still on. There

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wasn't much of a crowd. We sent Randal down the

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aisle ahead of us and watched him move into the

615
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tenth row and sit down next to somebody. Ed and

616
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I followed him down and found seats in the road

617
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directly behind him. We recognized the man sitting next to

618
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Randall as Edward Daniels.

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Speaker 9: Hello, mister Daniels, I did it just the way you

620
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told me up in the attic. It was okay.

621
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Speaker 8: Nobody saw you didn't have any trouble, doll.

622
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Speaker 9: No, it was okay. I don't feel so good about it, though,

623
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What do you mean what are you talking about?

624
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Speaker 8: I don't know.

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Speaker 9: Maybe somebody might find out. Don't you think we'd get

626
00:24:01,039 --> 00:24:02,279
in trouble if they've found out?

627
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Speaker 8: We just keep your mouth shut out, attended there, nobody's

628
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going to.

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Speaker 4: Find out, all right, Daniels, you mind coming outside? We'd

630
00:24:06,960 --> 00:24:07,400
like to talk to you.

631
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Speaker 8: What are you doing here?

632
00:24:08,839 --> 00:24:09,839
Speaker 6: Come on, we'll talk that time.

633
00:24:13,519 --> 00:24:14,440
Speaker 8: What's this all about?

634
00:24:14,680 --> 00:24:17,240
Speaker 4: We'll let you tell us.

635
00:24:19,200 --> 00:24:19,559
Speaker 6: All right?

636
00:24:19,640 --> 00:24:20,839
Speaker 8: What do you want? You' arresting me?

637
00:24:20,960 --> 00:24:21,640
Speaker 4: That's right, mister.

638
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Speaker 8: Why what's it supposed to be this time?

639
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Speaker 6: Thank?

640
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Speaker 2: You know?

641
00:24:24,400 --> 00:24:26,960
Speaker 6: Arsenal conspiracy? Cotton Randall here? Call him right in the act.

642
00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:27,880
He told us the whole story?

643
00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:28,920
Speaker 9: What Holly?

644
00:24:29,119 --> 00:24:29,680
Speaker 8: What story?

645
00:24:29,680 --> 00:24:30,079
Speaker 4: What is this?

646
00:24:30,240 --> 00:24:32,359
Speaker 9: I told you I didn't want to do it, mister Daniels,

647
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I told you we'd get in trouble.

648
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Speaker 8: Fool, stupid fool. Should have known better.

649
00:24:36,519 --> 00:24:39,039
Speaker 6: Yeah, you should have just two questions for you, Daniels.

650
00:24:39,200 --> 00:24:41,759
Why'd you burn down your own property? Why'd you redecorate

651
00:24:41,799 --> 00:24:42,559
the buildings? First?

652
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Speaker 8: I never forgot it, told him, when had happened. I

653
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wouldn't forget it as long as I lived.

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Speaker 4: What do you mean forget what?

655
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Speaker 8: Twenty four years ago? I was just starting out a

656
00:24:50,279 --> 00:24:54,400
small store back in Ohio burned down, real fire. Was

657
00:24:54,440 --> 00:24:56,960
the insurance company. They wouldn't believe me. Had to sue

658
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lost the whole thing, had to start all over again.

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00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:01,680
I told him I'll never forget it. Told him I'd

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make him pay.

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Speaker 6: You've been nursing this grudge for twenty four years.

662
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Speaker 8: Why not? Why shouldn't I lost everything everything I had?

663
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Speaker 4: Why do you redecorate the apartment house if you planned

664
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to burn him down?

665
00:25:10,279 --> 00:25:12,599
Speaker 8: Simple? Gave me a good excuse. Can have all those

666
00:25:12,599 --> 00:25:16,359
things stored in the buildings? Paint kerosene? Besides, who think

667
00:25:16,359 --> 00:25:18,119
I'd burned down the building right after I got done?

668
00:25:18,119 --> 00:25:21,640
Redecorating on a bad idea? Worked pretty good, didn't it.

669
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Speaker 4: Yeah, you're going to jail. You figured.

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Speaker 2: The story you have just heard was true. The names

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were changed to protect the innocent.

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Speaker 3: On August eighteenth, trial was held in Superior Court, Department

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eighty six, City and County of Los Angeles, State of California.

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In a moment, the results of that trial.

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Speaker 2: Now here is our star Jack Webb.

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Speaker 4: Thank you, George Gentleman. Friends. Comparisons are often very helpful

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in modern police work. Now, for instance, the suspect may

678
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be identified by comparing his mo or method of operation

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with the known facts of a case.

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Speaker 3: Edward John Daniels was tried and convicted of two counts

681
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of conspiracy and one count of arson, and received the

682
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sentence as prescribed by law. Conspiracy is punishable by imprisonment

683
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in the state penitentiary for not more than two years.

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Arson is punishable by a prison term of not less

685
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than one or more than five years. Daniels accomplice, Oliver Randall,

686
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was examined by three psychiatrists appointed by the court and

687
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was found to be mentally incompetent. He was placed in

688
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a state hospital for the mentally deficient. The charge of

689
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assault with a deadly weapon against Edward Daniels was dismissed.

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Ha ha, you have just heard Dragnet a series of

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authentic cases from official files. Technical advice comes from the

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Office of Chief of Police W. H. Parker, Los Angeles

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Police Department Technical Advisor, Captain Jack Donahoe, Sergeant Marty Winn,

694
00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:06,400
Sergeant Vans Brecher heard tonight We're Barney Phillips and Vic Perrin.

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Script by Jim Mosey, music by Walter Schumann, Hell Gibney speaking.

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Speaker 4: Well, It's Counterspy on NBC.

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Speaker 1: Welcome Back. Dragnett has followed Broadways My Beat in our

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line up for nearly a year, ever since we went

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from six shows a week to five, and I have

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to say, this is the first time that the Broadways

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My Beat episode has a more believable motive. It kind

702
00:28:03,279 --> 00:28:07,640
of shows that truth is stranger than fiction. Now, if

703
00:28:07,839 --> 00:28:12,079
you did a Broadways My Bat or a Johnny Dollar

704
00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:20,759
story where the criminal began setting fires insurance payouts as

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00:28:20,799 --> 00:28:25,359
an act of revenge against the insurance industry, yeah, I

706
00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:29,079
mean it's not even against the company, because you know,

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00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:32,559
if we've been listening to Johnny doll Er, yeah, we

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00:28:32,599 --> 00:28:36,920
do evidentely have the idea that it's very unlikely that

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the same company is going to be ensuring property in

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Ohio as will be insuring property in California. So he's

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essentially doing this to get back at the insurance industry.

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And he's right that the fact that he had the

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places repainted and paid for all that work help to

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cover the fire in terms of the insurance company being like,

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why would he do this? But he's also ensuring that

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he's getting the least profitable insurance fraud, because part of

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the fraud is pain to have the property repainted and

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totally done off. And the guy had the goal to

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be like, boy, wasn't this a clever plan? Officers, It's

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not clever when the reason that the police in the

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insurance company can't catch you is they can't imagine you

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being that stupid, petty and spiteful. Again, such a point

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would be ridiculous on Broadways, My Bait and other programs,

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but here, apparently he is close enough to cheot a life.

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And this was from the one suspect that they did

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find mentally competent to stand trial. Listener comments and feedback,

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and we start on YouTube with some comments on the

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bake producer Jeffrey Wrights, love your wrap up of the

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day's show. Yeah, thank goodness, such crime against kids is

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punished more stiffly now we truckers have organizations such as

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TAT to identify and report human trafficking and juvenile exploitation.

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Thanks Adam, and thanks so much. I appreciate the comment.

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Jeffrey and I'd be remiss if I didn't mention that

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despite the fact of courts not really having strict enforcement

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at the time, Dragnet was doing Yelman's work in explaining

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how these type of schemes took advantage of young women.

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And this would even continue into the nineteen sixties series,

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and doubtless what Dragnet did lay to the found foundation

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for changes in the law regarding these offenses. On the

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same episode Immortal Sergeant Rights, thank you Adam for bringing

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us this great episode, and James says, excellent episode. Thanks well,

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Thank you so much. I appreciate you taking the time

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to comment over there on YouTube. Well, now it is

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time to thank our Patreon supporter of the day. Thank

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you to Roger, Patreon supporter since July of twenty twenty four,

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currently supporting the podcast at the Shawmus level of four

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dollars or more per month. Thanks so much for your support, Roger,

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and that will do it for today. If you're enjoying

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another episode of Dragonnet, but join us back here tomorrow

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for yours, truly, Johnny dall more aware?

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Speaker 12: When did he and Baron get out of the clink

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about two weeks ago?

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Speaker 9: I see?

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Speaker 12: So, what's the proposition Shakli has made?

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Speaker 10: Your brother, Johnny Adam has spent the past nine years,

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ever since he was released, out there building up this

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small brokerage office here in the east. Now he and

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his wife are finally beginning to reap the fruits of

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their labors. Children, two fine upstanding kids, are in college

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over in New York State.

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Speaker 12: So, but if it were ever.

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Speaker 10: To become known that he once served a term in

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prison for participation in a stocks.

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Speaker 11: Fan, I would kind of pull a rugger right out

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from under him.

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Speaker 4: What.

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Speaker 10: It would completely ruin him, Johnny, And it would probably

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kill his wife. This nine years of struggle of trying

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to make up for that one mistake has been just

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as hard for her as it has for him. Right now,

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she happens to be in the hospital with a serious

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heart condition.

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Speaker 8: I see.

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Speaker 12: Is she the beneficiary of his insurance?

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Speaker 4: Yes? She?

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Speaker 10: And then of course the children.

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Speaker 12: All right, now, what is this proposition that Shackli has made.

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Speaker 10: He's demanded seventy five thousand dollars happen.

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Speaker 4: Wow.

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Speaker 10: Yes, unless Adam pays it in cash and unmarked bills,

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Shockley will release to the papers anonymously.

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Speaker 4: Of course.

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Speaker 10: Well, he'll tell them all about Adam's unfortunate part in

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that stock selling racket years ago.

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Speaker 11: Which means that if Adam had a single customer left

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instead of a week to be America, then Shockley says,

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after he's.

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Speaker 3: Ruined him, he'll kill him.

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Speaker 12: He'll want it unless he pays this money. Of course,

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he'll make it look like suicide after all.

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Speaker 10: Under the circumstances, well you know, the ruined businessman.

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Speaker 12: Yeah, I do know.

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Speaker 11: Sure, there'll be no reason for anyone to think it

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isn't suicide exactly. Wait a minute, that's the insurance angle,

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isn't it. Yes, If Adam's death is called suicide, his

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policy'll be void.

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Speaker 12: His wife and kids will get nothing.

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Speaker 10: And if this man Shockly is as clever as Adam

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says he is, he'll do it in such a way

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that any court in the land.

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Speaker 12: Will call it suice sor well, I just can't believe it.

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Speaker 1: I hope you'll be with us then. In the meantime,

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