Speaker 1: Good evening, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome back to Pony
Express Radio. I am Paul Fahrenheit as always, once again
filling in for our great President who is still hunting
animals in Africa. I am joined by four other illustrious
gentlemen for this week. So ladies and gentlemen, please welcome
back mister Pete Canyonas.
Speaker 2: How are you, sir?
Speaker 3: Doing well? Let's do this.
Speaker 1: Thank you for coming back, Pete and also joining me
this evening is mister Raging Managle. How are you, sir?
Speaker 4: Doing great?
Speaker 1: Thank you sir, And of course our special guest joining
us this evening is mister Semiagogue. How are you this evening?
Speaker 2: I am very well, gentlemen, happy to be here. I
never joined o GC, but I seem to be friends
with almost all of you, so very happy to be
here and hang out again.
Speaker 1: Yes, a friend of the club indeed, and you're always
welcome here, and I thank you very much for joining
us this evening. It's been a unfortunately it's been a
rather slow news week and a rather slow news day,
so you know, nothing really major has happened, so we
only have a couple of a couple of stories to
talk about of of some of some import though, first
and foremost, starting us off this evening, Secretary of Defense
Pete Hegseth, who you know, despite some you know, one
or two blotches here there, has been doing relatively well recently.
I believe he ordered that the USS Harvey Milk, which
is a part of a class of naval I'm not
a navy guy, so I don't know anything about ships,
but a part of a class of ships be renamed.
What it will be renamed to has not yet been announced,
But personally, I think this is a great step in
the right direction. People like Harvey Milk need to be
dammed in memory and completely forgotten about.
Speaker 5: Yeah, apparently it's some sort of oiler, which, as far
as I can understand, it is the designed in a
support role. I guess it's like a coaling ship from
back in the days of Teddy Roosevelt's Great White Fleet.
It provides fuel and ammunition and supplies. And as best
I can tell, this whole class of ships has been
named after civil rights leaders.
Speaker 2: So you know you've got your John Lewis, your Thurgood Marshall,
your Ruth Bader gurg. Yeah, the John Lewis class of oilers.
The whole class is named after civil rights figures.
Speaker 3: Well my two frequent guests on the show and also
on the Young Jay Burdens show, Clay Martin Formers back
op he said, we should really just rename it the
USS Celebrity and leave it at that.
Speaker 2: Controversial.
Speaker 4: If I might jump in here, I'm just gonna go
ahead and take the whole conversation.
Speaker 1: Is the Steeler thing man?
Speaker 4: All right? So yes, this is the USNS Harvey Milk.
These ships are, of course supply ships. They do underway replenishment,
a very important function for the US Navy, which allows
them to do replenishment of fuel and supplies at c
so you don't have to pull into port to do
refueling operations. That sort of thing very operationally critical. These
are high value units. They're strategically important units, which is
why the symbolism has been applied the way it has.
But they're also not combat units, so it allows them
to to kind of sort of get away with it
up until now. And so the John Lewis Class is
a replacement for the Henry J. Kleiser Class, which is
the the you know classes ship which is doing the
exact same job. It looks almost exactly the same visually,
unless you're like a subject matter expert, the ship that
layout is almost perfectly identical, just from like an average
observer's point of view. And I think this is a
good I am to point out that this is an
attempt not just symbolically but literally to turn the fleet
into a different direction and on a new course. This is,
of course, after everybody might remember from last year the
USNS Big Horns collision and mishap, and that came out
fairly shortly after they announced the the John Lewis Class,
and that the US as Harvey Milk would would even
be a thing. So this is literally hag Seth trying
to use the symbolic renaming of this particular ship to
to get to the Navy going in a different direction.
And as we have logged on this particular program, the
Navy is not in a good spot by any means.
Speaker 1: No, absolutely, real quick, I just irony came in my
profile pictures is at is rear Admiral Bird and I
don't know anything about the Navy, so I guess that's
stolen valor. But no, yes, the United States is a
naval empire where a fallisocracy. This is a large part
of the reason why our capital is still in Washington,
d C. Because right next door to Washington, d C
is the Chesapeake Bay, and the Chesapeake Bay is probably
the best single piece of naval staging geography on the planet.
It's something like, I think, like several dozen, if not
several hundred ports on top of each other. Every river
on all of those peninsulas is its own port, and
there are several sub rivers and subports along the way.
That's why historically the Hampton Roads has been the center
of American shipbuilding, Newport News, Norfolk, places like that, And
that's a large part of the reason why Washington, d C.
Remains there, because this whole military industrial complex more or
less stretches from that city down to Virginia Beach in
that area, and we use that naval staging area functionally
to manage the rest of the world, to manage global
trade lanes and the like. However, I mean, I think, actually,
you know, zi Hand's conclusions are horrible, but his analysis
is usually pretty good. And zy Hand's analysis when he
states that if the United States is a naval empire
wanted to maintain functionally protected trade lanes. It would be
building thousands upon thousands of destroyers and a great deal
of ships like this, like the hopefully soon to be
not John Lewis class to supply them. But we're not.
Most of our navy is mostly tied up into these
very large carriers, these nuclear carriers, which are functionally one
rocket away from being at the bottom of the ocean.
And they're you know, and even if even if they
were used properly, are really used for clabboring a near
peer force which isn't immediately forthcoming on the world stage,
at least in my in my judgment, I could be wrong.
But daniu, gentlemen, have any comments on that is is
you know, not even not even talking about the age
of the ships that we have. But do you any
any of you have any comments on the on the
state of America as a maritime empire's capability to force projectancy?
Speaker 4: Well, as we mentioned last year, the the official government
sources are now directly reporting that shipbuilding is substantially behind
we law like you can look this up. But the
f FG sixty two, the new Constellation class frigate, which
is supposed to be a basically a direct American knockoff
of some of the frenchhit Italian frigates which have been
around now for several years. And it's also supposed to
be a pure competitor vessel of the Russian and Chinese
latest and greatest frigate classes. Those that's three years behind
as of last year. So I mean, well, one of
the great benchmarks is to see if that three year
mark actually gets reduced by any time period, or if
it consistently stays three years, a year or two years
into the future. That's going to be a huge benchmark.
I think the other huge benchmark is, of course, symbolically,
this is one ship, and you're not actually attacking the
symbol of the John Lewis Class, right, You're not. You're
not taking away the name of the class. You're just
renaming one singular ship, which you're not actually fundamentally contesting
that ground symbolically.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it seems like something you know, timed in terms
of pr to coincide with people's uh, you know, views
about the business of a Pride month and it being
pushed you know, so much front and center by our government,
and you know, these associations with the military we don't
have to get into what a sordid figure milk And
was because you could almost assume that, or indeed assume it.
So yeah, I have one question that I wanted to
bring up, just you know, for the military guys here.
I never confirmed it. I heard that we were forbidden
from returning to naming the US military basis after Confederate
generals by some sort of legislation. Is it true that
heg Seth or whomever you know is on his team
came up with this idea of just finding a different
guy named Benning for example.
Speaker 3: Is that?
Speaker 2: Is that what was actually done?
Speaker 1: Yes, I was actually discussing that at a of all places,
a surplus store today. I was actually I was discussing that, Yes,
he found other like like a private whose last name
was Benning, or like a sergeant whose last name was
Bragg or something like that, who won like a Medal
of honor, a silver star or something to that effect
as functionally a placeholder this and it's a valiant effort
in my judgment, It's an attempt to restore at least
a semblance of what was lost. But you know the
fact that their hands are tied by Congress from restoring
the bases to their actual true names, and they have
to they have to kind of pass this counterfeit, you
know it. I think it really does demonstrate that even
if and or when you get a administration or a
regime in power, particularly because these ships, right, I think
and Trump understands this. I saw a video of him
once talking about how the prows of the ship need
to be point because it's ships are an art form.
I'm sure some of you may know that video. But
these these the military is one of the not just
it not only is it a means of defense, but
if done properly, it's also a means of producing culture.
So all of these military bases are functionally culture producing factories.
All these ships, particularly fleet resupply ships that everyone in
the fleet will be familiar with, because this ship, I
would assume, resupplies all sorts of other ships. These are
heavily symbolic culture manufacturers. And who you name them after
is functionally who is glorified, even if the person saying
the name doesn't even know who they are. And this
attempt to rename I think is at least somewhat appreciated,
but it's it's too haphazard and and it's in my opinion,
it's it's simply resisted by most of the most of
the entrenched middle officer class that has been heavily purged
since the since the Obama purges.
Speaker 2: And later on, well, yeah, we definitely sorry, Pete.
Speaker 3: Yeah, judging by you know, going by this little speech
that has been clipped and is making the rounds that
you gave on on last week's live stream. If something
doesn't change, you know, we were looking at like the USS,
I'm on my break unless we can, you know, get
something different going on here. So unless real change and
these people are utterly destroyed and made into a cautionary hell.
Speaker 2: Just to hammer the point about the importance of this
being an opportunity to present the naval strength of the
United States, the military strength of the United States as
it towards the world. That's what Roosevelt was doing with
his Great White Fleet, of course, followed around by all
the support vessels provided by Britain, because we were basically
being brought on to police the Pacific for them as
an adjunct to Japan. But that's why all those ships
were painted white, and it was called the Great White Fleet,
and it sailed around the world saying the United States
is now an even more significant naval power and something
to be reckoned with. So, yeah, you've come into port
and you're at your birth or whatever, and the people
who are working there, well, you know, bringing in your
supplies and the rest, they're like, you know what, who's
this guy, Harvey Milk and and you can see immediately
how that just would become a basis for scorn abroad.
So I'm happy to see it. But I agree with
you guys, it's it's it needs to go much deeper.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, And I think as the as the fleet continues
to decline and and if if attempts to reform it
are hamstrung by Congress and by other institutions, particularly entrenched
interests within the Senior Officer Corps and the Pentagon, I
don't see a positive future coming from that. Do any
of you, gentlemen, have any final thoughts on the story
before we move on?
Speaker 4: All right?
Speaker 1: Hearing none. One of the things that this actually this
reminds me of is not the United States not only
has vulnerabilities and weaknesses in its fleet beyond our shores,
but we also have a great amount of weaknesses on
our shores, and I think nothing demonstrates that better than
something that happened overseas recently that I'm sure you've all heard,
a massive drone swarm attack was carried out by Ukraine
on Russia. I think there were a whole bunch of
I think nuclear capable bombers parked down on an air
strip that the Ukrainians were able to smuggle in drones
in semi trucks if I remember correctly, they were driven
up very close to this airfield and they were simply
released and they suicided onto these bombers, which are strategic
nuclear capable on this air strip. And even if it's
relatively minor in terms of how it will affect the
Ukraine or or how it will affect negotiations, as it's
proven to be, it hasn't caused any change in demands
or negotiations that I've seen so far. It is a
very heavily symbolic act in the minds of military theorists
in the world over because it demonstrates that fourth generation warfare,
in the fact that you know, everything can be a
weapon about fifth generation warfare is a marketing term. It's
not real. Fourth generation warfare is the correct way to
refer to it, where we're just about anything can be
utilized as a weapon. Civilian supply line, civilian industries, media,
et cetera. And anyone like the Taliban or the Huties.
You know, people who are functionally you know, otherwise using
rocks and sticks, can learn very quickly how to employ
this massive, sophisticated technology to brutal effectiveness. I think it
demonstrates the capacity for weaknesses within within internal supply chains
and within civil society itself. And the story doesn't end here.
There are there are two other stories that happened this
week that lead to this, But before we talk about them,
do you, gentlemen, of any thoughts about this attack on
Russian bombers in the Ukraine or in Russia?
Speaker 3: I suppose.
Speaker 2: Well, yes, to me, it smacks of the sort of
emphasis on special operations and sneaky, tricky nastiness that has
been sort of central to the warfare mythology of the
Anglophone world since since World War Two. And you know,
I grew up on it, you know, watching you know,
things like the guns of Navaron or whatever with my father,
and it's sort of been central to our thinking and
it's also as of course the Russians themselves have pointed out,
it's it's uh. It's basically PR in many respects uh
and and PR has value. But I posted about this
sometime back. You know, the the assassins, the hashishin the
old Man of the Mountain, a la mut, you know,
high in the Persian mountains, you have this sect of
crazy Shiites who are willing to murder anyone and to
sacrifice the lives of their operatives in order to like
kill the Grand Vizier of the Seldier Empire and the
Zamal or whatever. And they had a great deal of
success with these absolutely brazen, wild operations, terrorist acts, you know,
intended for political influence, these kinds of things. I'm not characterizing,
you know, what was done in Russia exactly like that.
But when you come across an Asiatic power familiar with
waging total warfare, certainly attritional war at scale, rather than
you know, a sequence of special operations carried out, you know,
at a great distance from centers of supply and the
rest the results. I think of what happened with the
Mongols and the assassins in Persia is a cautionary tale
they just basically marched up into the mountains to this
previously impregnable fortress and invested it. And today there's scarcely
one stone that remains standing atop another, and all that
archaeologists have been able to find is broken pottery. So,
you know, this plucky idea of the bold behind the lines, raid,
the clever bombing and the rest, while useful as pr
does not do a great deal for the actual war
effort in this case of the Ukrainians, and it just
irritates the hive of the Russian population and increases, presumably
its resoluteness to have done with all of this. So
I think there's something about it. Sorry I've been rather
long winded about it, but there's something about this attachment
to the idea of special operations and and and the
way in which our emphasis on it, which I really
do think comes from the Brits ultimately after World War Two,
during and after, I think it is in some senses
detrimental to all these other aspects of the military. I mean,
think about Eisenhower, you know, as I recall, he was
all about logistics, but he was perhaps one of the
most important people at the top of you know, staff command,
because all of these other things matter, like you know,
oilers and refueling ships and logistic chains, and and yet
the focus is, so far as the public is concerned,
is all on special operations.
Speaker 1: Well, that actually heartens me a little bit because there
are two other stories that demonstrate that these weaknesses are
actually completely completely existent, or at least potentially existent within
the United States. Recently, there was an IED that was
found in North Carolina off of the off of the
Blue Ridge Parkway, which you see all right there. It's
a it's a very culturally significant route. I don't think
anyone knows who planted it there or why. I'm sure
if someone, if someone's read follow up stories, they might
be able to tell us. But there was an ied
and incendiary device that says right here that was on
the Blue Ridge Parkway. So so it very much appears
that that these sorts of small special operations, uh you know,
flea bites in the grand scheme of things are starting
to come here a nation which at least very recently
has not known a great deal of danger on our shores.
On top of this i ed that was found recently,
two Chinese nationals were arrested I forget in what university
or what stay of somewhere in the Midwest, but they
had smuggled a specific, yeah, a fungus into the United
States that causes a blight to wheat, barley, corn rice,
et cetera. And I'm sure you know it wouldn't have
been as simple. Spreading blight to crops, especially crops as
heavily as treated as those in the United States. Isn't
that simple of a matter. But you know, it demonstrates
that these little flea bites, these you know, thousand cuts
of warfare could very possibly. It's one thing, in my judgment,
to use them against a I don't want to say,
a power with deadened nerves, like an oriental power like
the Russians. I it's one thing to use that against them.
But to use them against such a highly interdependent infrastructure
that hasn't known disruptions like this for a while, such
as the United States, I think it's very possible that
these tactics that the public has been focused on, that
we've been using could be employed to much greater effect
against us than by us.
Speaker 3: Well, it really brings up the question of how do
we protect ourselves against this from what I understand or
what's being reported. I think this is official that they
just basically sent those drones into over the border rooms
to Russia and they were released from a cargo container
or the back of a truck. From listening to Mike
Shelby this week, early in the week, he was talking
about how one percent of our cargo containers are checked
coming over coming through you being taken off a ship
from overseas. So as those are put on trains, put
on trucks, put you know whatever. They're just making their
way through the through the country and pretty much open
to anything happening, you know. I mean, no one's ever
really I don't know if anyone's ever come up with
the China balloon from a couple of years ago, if
that was just an op whatever it was. The drones
over New Jersey, I mean, I have a tendency to
believe those are probably ours. But yeah, it seems very easy.
It seems like it would be very easy for someone
to pull off attacking an American city and we'd probably
be sitting ducks.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I would add that, you know, there's been
all kinds of things going on for quite some time
now that we intend to consider when we consider them
at all as isolated instances rather than putting them together
as a pattern. You know, men or probably can say
more about it. But there was that ship I believe
that was being refitted or certainly it was in port
on the west coast that in which a huge fire
broke out and destroyed many millions of dollars of you know,
naval assets, if I remember correctly. There's of course all
the wildfires that we've been dealing with. Certainly we've seen
quite a bit going on with the Ukrainian special forces
trying to derail Russian trains because as the military guys
here probably know, the Russians emphasize rail logistics much more
than you know, truck based road based logistics, and we
have you know, things like trains derailing in Ohio and
causing massive problems. So you know, I think we're wide
open to it at present. And that's without getting into
the whole idea of what's been sunk in concrete in
some of our cities as a nasty surprise for later,
you know. Across the last fifty years, a late friend
of mine, who was involved in special forces in the military,
said he would have he wouldn't be surprised at all
if any number of countries had smuggled, you know, nuclear
weapons into the United States and sun them down in
concrete beneath the city for use later. I'm not trying
to like freak everyone out, and I don't know that
to be the case, but if I were a potential
opponent of the United States, I would have seen to
it that that would have been taken care of a
long time ago. I have some I'm happy to know
that there is detection for radiation on the highways. I
remember reading some news stories about truck. I think it
was full of Chinese toys in which some sort of
mildly radioactive thing had been used in the paint or
something of this sort. I'm probably messing up the details,
but the bottom line was it was a Chinese product,
and taken individually, there wasn't all that much radiation, but
a truck full of the product going down the highway
triggered the radiation detectors. So we do have some infrastructure
in place to spot some things. I think those are
those weird sort of white, plastically looking boxes that stick
out over the road near truckway stations. But we're not
entirely without defense. But you know, this is simply the
size our land borders, our sea borders, the permeability of
those borders means that these concerns are very, very real, indeed,
particularly when you get involved with stuff like fungus and blights.
In my own part of the country, there is this
invasive species of Asian lady beetle that's just terrific. You know,
when they spawned really badly, they fill my house and
having to vacuum them up constantly. They were originally released
as a way to control aphids, but as it turns out,
I've looked into these little bugs and they carry a
kind of microsporidia, something I guess similar to a fungus
to which they are immune. But other species of ladybug
in the United States it kills them. So, you know,
for a group of people as cunning and able to
plan long term as the Chinese, and that's just one
example of them. You know, I don't mean to foam
at the mouth about the chicoms.
Speaker 1: But.
Speaker 2: For any subtle and careful people, there are enormous opportunities
that the public. Indeed, maybe the security and intelligence services
tasked with defending US there. They wouldn't even really notice
these things for some time before it was too late. Indeed,
they may never recognize that it was not an accident,
you know, plausible deniability being as important as it is.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think you might have referred to the bondhemer
shard there semi Agauga. That was the the learning of
a uss lh D class ship a few years ago.
And if I remember correctly, because I was following the
story pretty heavily back when it first broke out, they
did eventually catch the guy who set that fire, and
as I remember, it was a US Navy sailor of
all things, and I think he got ucmjade and went
to prison for a very long time.
Speaker 2: Okay, so it wasn't an accident. It certainly wasn't an accident.
Speaker 4: No, No, it was not. I mean that was clear
from the beginning. Like that kind of like you don't
to set a fire that can melt steel and metal
of that requires very high temperatures and you need to
have some kind of accelerant and the fuel required to
actually do that level of damage.
Speaker 1: So are you saying that that certain types of fire
started by certain types of fuel cannot necessarily melt steel.
Speaker 4: Yes, yeah, yeah, this is where investigation comes in. It's
just the chemistry of it of fire starting. Like everybody
who's ever taken a fire safety course knows the fire tetrahedron, right,
or the fire triangle if some sources prefer. But you
need the three ingredients or the four ingredients really to
start the fire, and if you don't have one of those,
you can't actually do it in proper fuel. That there
you go, there you go, there's the fire right there. Man,
that looks bad. I've never seen that picture before. Okay, wow,
But yes, it needs a certain chemical reaction to create
the blaze necessary to actually melt steel bulkheads, which is
what happened with the Bonhumber shard and why I mean
this is actually a critical incident because it was in
the shipyards at the time, so all of the bulkheads
are all open. There's like, you know, ventilation shafts running
through the ship you know, people are random people from
the contracting yards are going through it all the time,
uh when it was happening, and yeah, so it's just
like it's an environment which becomes very difficult to actually
pinpoint who done it basically because you have to eliminate
not just ship's crew as suspects, but like the dozens
and dozens of contractors who work at the dockyards.
Speaker 1: Yeah. On a completely unrelated note, sixty percent of arson
cases go completely unsolved.
Speaker 3: Mmm.
Speaker 4: Is that like that Winnebago in Nashville from the twenty
twenty era?
Speaker 1: Yeah, something like that.
Speaker 2: Oh that one, Yeah, that just blew up outside the
data center and we've never heard anything about it ever.
Speaker 3: Again, there was a second there was Oh no, I
don't remember that one. Shit. I was thinking of something
else for you a many places.
Speaker 1: Or or or the Tesla that randomly exploded outside of
Trump Tower in Las Vegas, and like everyone immediately forgot
about that.
Speaker 3: Speaking speaking of tests about web test, God, I'm sorry,
I'm sorry.
Speaker 4: Like, yeah, there there's a there's a pattern I'm noticing
with with a lot of the Tesla arson cases.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 4: Uh, it reminds me because I've been going over you know,
Burrows's Days of Rage book again recently, and uh, like
basically the Weather Underground and all of the related terrorist
groups the period started, you know, doing arson to car
dealerships for some reason, and so it just makes me
wonder just makes me wonder indeed.
Speaker 3: Well, you know the the explosion that happened recently at
the natal clinic in California.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I don't know a lot about it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there was a second arrest mad in that this week,
and reput and no one's reporting on it. Is a
thirty one year old old American born Korean. They arrested
him in Poland and he was there saying he is
he supposed to allegedly was responsible for procuring and transmitting
to this guy one hundred and fifty pounds of what
is anfl and fro and what am I thinking of?
Speaker 2: Ammonium nitrate?
Speaker 3: Yes, ammonium?
Speaker 2: Yeah, and bloody helps him to figure out how to
use it.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, So who's this guy? Why did they arrest
in Poland? Where do you get it from? Had? What
the fuck's going on with this one? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Poland is a very interesting place for him to head
off to, given what's going on with war there and
not being a staging ground for you know, military and
intelligence assets of the West. Yeah, what is going on there?
Speaker 3: This is this is what we I've been warning about,
and it's just I think these are just trial runs,
my am. I you know, of course I'm just conspiracy theorists.
I got my tenofoil hat on over here. But you see,
my trial runs to me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And if I were tasked with bringing down a
country or sowing chaos within it internally, you know, you
would think that you would bring to bear a whole
range of things, you know, and I would go past
fourth generation warfare and call it unrestricted warfare. And we've seen,
of course the economic aspects, of its, social aspects, the
cultural aspects, the encouragement of war essentially of all against all,
you know, the generations being encouraged to war with each other,
talking about this cohort and that cohort being bad. War
between the sexes themselves, between the men and the women,
War of the individual within the country against their own body,
cutting parts of it off, you know. And so the
political troubles, economic, agricultural, you know, there's there's so much
that could be done. And you know, because I was
born at night but not last night, I tend to
be at least as suspiciously minded as you are.
Speaker 3: P you know, Yeah, this is just too frequent, too
frequent now, and it's getting uh yeah, it's it used
to be. Oh, let's put it in a writer truck,
and well, how did they get that? It was supplied
to them by the uh, you know, by basically intelligence
intelligence agencies. But yeah, I'm sure there's some kind of
backing with these kind of things, but you know, right now,
we don't know, and if they're not, if they're not
investigating and trying to figure everything out, and you know,
once again, who knows if they're even who knows if
they would tell us, because yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: It brings us to a topic, you know about that
I think is going to come up just over the
horizon ear in a moment, which is this whole idea
of data aggregation, surveillance, how data gets used. This certainly
could could be turned to the purposes of ever more
granular surveillance within the country. And I'm not, you know,
given the fact that the threats are real, I'm not
against that in principle. But if we come back to
the whole, the whole uh you know, famous Roman statement
about who watches the watchers? You know, I have my
suspicions about you know, people like feel and whether or
not he does ultimately have our own best interest in mind.
I don't know, you know, one way or another. But
this sort of thing, and the fact that we are
wide open to attacks of this sort in many respects,
you know, sets the stage for the question about how
to deal with it. And the fact, you know, after
after nine to eleven, we certainly saw how the Patriot Bill,
you know, increase the yeah and increase the power of
people that you know, we don't think a great deal
of and and and it would be arguable whether or
not it ever really did anything to make us safe.
I mean, I don't know how you feel, but going
through T s A and having some black guy X
ray my shoes, it doesn't it doesn't make me feel
any safer, you know.
Speaker 1: Actually that that's that's a good segue to our next
to our next topic. But before we introduce it, we
have it up on the screen here. Before we introduce it,
I want to comment on on something that you talked about,
is how this will be used to justify ever greater
micro secure details. And I think, in all honesty, this
is largely because of the Frankly I think, I think
material solutions and technological solutions are a how should I say,
going to material and technological solutions or rather not innovation itself,
but scaling pre existing and making more ubiquitous pre existing
solutions is a is a failure of I think, cultural
or organizational technology rather than a triumph of what I
guess what Spangler would call technics. And I'm not talking
about innovation the creation of an otherwise completely unknown technology.
I'm actually which is which is done by a healthy
and good culture rather frequently, I'm actually talking about the
scaling of technology. And you know, it's it's simply because people,
people's worldview, people's blind spots, the idea that let's just say,
certain groups of people are more predisposed have more of
a motive to commit certain crimes than others, whether it's
through biological you know, inclination, or through ideological or religious
or some combination of the three. And and the fact
that you can't filter for that, which would you know,
get to the problem, get get to much closer to
the source of the problem, rather than you know, just
you know, making it harder for everyone, making it worse
for everyone. Yeah, I think that's that's that's a significant
failing of the paradigm and the stuck culture which we
currently inhabit. Though I do believe it is collapsing. But
this does actually bring us to our next story. So
the the Trump administration. The Trump administration recently announced that
it is partnering with Peter Thiel's Palanteer, specifically regarding the
collection of data on American citis in the in the
centralization of that. Pete, You actually, I think this is
a story you know about, because this is this is
a great many years old and a great many even
even decades in the making. So take it away.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I remember calling into conservative radio in two thousand
and eight screaming about this, and you know, they all
they wanted to talk about was the fact that God,
let's see, I'm pretty sure I called in a rush once.
Most of them were the ones that are were on serious,
serious and ex sem at the time I was. I
became a radio satellite radio radio guy, and I would
just tell him. I would say, look, yeah, this this
isn't good. They're basically taking they're taking all of our
They're going to be scraping all of our information. They're like, no,
that can't be done because it's illegal to do on
it's illegal to do on on American soil. And and
I actually had the presence of mind back then, I
go just get another country to do it, and that's
exactly what we did. It ended, that's exactly what we
ended up doing. I also have I'm pretty sure that
Pallenteer is the inspiration for you know, one of the
best TV shows ever, Person of Interest, The Machine and that. Well,
when this story came out, I'm, you know, obviously everybody
wants talk about Peter Teal, Peter Tel Peter Teel, Yeah,
and I'm you know, you can't. You can't trust him.
You don't know what his intentions are. If his intentions
line up with yours, it's probably going to be an accident.
And that's what we've said, all that we said since
the beginning when we started tracking the PayPal mafia, is like,
these guys aren't on our side, but they may. It
may be better than what we're than where we were headed.
But Alex Karp is a Marxist, Alex Karp is a
I wouldn't trust him. And yeah, he's like, oh, this
is what we used to take down all the right
wing groups in Europe. And I'm thinking to myself, well,
first of all, you don't of any you're not giving
us any proof of that. Second of all, you're a
born liar. Third of all, you want your stock to
go up, so I don't believe you. I'm not saying that,
you know, and just look at him. Physiogomy tells you everything.
I'm not. I'm not saying that we you know, we
can trust that, we'll trust in the plan and everything.
You know. I'm saying that this is this is technology
that has been out there and operating for seventeen to
twenty years. And what Trump is saying, what the Trump's
announcement is, I think it's more of a revelation than
it is an announcement because I think that this is
what they've been doing all along, and it's just you know, hey,
this is what we're going to be doing, and he's
just it's just really a you know, you know, kind
of coming clean. Not saying he's coming clean for us
because because he loves us, but you know, this is
what we're going to do, and hey, you know, this
is how we're going to protect you. I mean, this
is if you're at all paying attention in the last
twenty years, you knew exactly what this was. They claim
they're responsible for finding Islamavid Lad and I think Olamavid
lad was found because somebody just ratted him out, because
that's the way things normally happen pretty much everywhere in
every circle on Earth. I don't know how much of
a big deal this is. I don't know that this
is something new. I think it's just something old and
they're just telling us about it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's definitely not something new, because I was around
paying attention to this shit shortly after the you know,
the stuff with nine to eleven, and I watched the
company that I had with partners, you know, all the
canals of money shifted, how they flowed with the you know,
sort of pumping up of the security state, with the
Patriot Act and all of the rest. And I remember specifically,
I just checked now and found it. There was a
company called Choice Point, and in the early two thousands,
Choice Point it was a data aggregation company based in Alfaretta, Georgia,
you know, so it was basically near Atlanta, where I
was working at the time, and they specialized in collecting
and selling personal information, including it was a private company,
including data from your DMV records, and they used it
for government and commercial commercial purposes. And there was some
controversy about them buying DMV information, and all of it
just sort of got railroaded through at the time. And
I remember that Choice Point was a company that many
other companies used to basically do their due diligence on
you before.
Speaker 3: They hired you.
Speaker 2: So yeah, at least at least twenty years this sort
of thing has been going on, all the way down
to the whole business of using a at least superficially
private company in order to do things that you wouldn't
otherwise be able to do given you know, record keeping
requirements and you know congressional oversight. So yeah, it's been
going on for a while. I think you know, when
it's time to railroad, they're going to railroad. The only
other thing I would add to this is that I believe,
you know, I'm not a big fan of this idea
of ever more granular surveillance, though again I don't think
that there's much we can do about it. But I
should point out that while I wouldn't call it an
excuse or a justification, there is an explanation for it.
I believe that you know, the idea that AI is
a weapon and that we are in an arms race
relative to AI in some real sense. You know, it's
not just a pretext to get more surveillance in on
the native population. I think they're really is an arms race,
so to speak, at least between the United States and
China as regards AI. And one of the most important things,
insofar as I understand AI, to make it more effective
is defeat it on ever larger data sets. And you
can be sure that the Chinese government is going to
be willing to do that with the data that's available
to it, and so its models get trained with more
information and become accustomed to fine tuning and making more
effective the processing of all of that information. And so
in response, it seems that we would need to train
our models on ever greater sources of information and the
record keeping digital records available, even if they're in a
totally mixed up state with incompatibilities. The data and information
available to the United States in the form of government
records certainly is going to go back much more deeply
and thoroughly than comparable I would assume Chinese records. So
I had long thought that part of the whole Doge project,
in addition to you know, all the superficial front end
stuff about increasing government efficiency. Basically, I thought to myself,
this is just a great way for the tech bros
to get in and with a public mandate, to start
to crack open sources of information that the government previously
kept kind of closely held. And indeed, we heard a
fair amount from you know, the news sources over the
last few months about how you know, Elon was going
after this information or that information, and previously it hadn't
been brought together and aggregated in one place, and just
looking at the uh the information you know, scanning the
net about it now it seems God, I'm talking about
the early two thousands and I just called it the net.
Speaker 3: The net.
Speaker 2: Next I'll call it the web. Some of the people
who are involved with Elon Musk's Department of Government Officialcy
have direct ties to Palanteer or other field funded ventures,
so that that might be part of what's going on here.
That was a lot, It was all good.
Speaker 1: It was just man. The whole AI arms race thing,
I think, you know, a great deal of that is
hamstrung by the fact that the religion of the people
developing AI prevents it from using proper models. So I
think a cringe walker was was tweeting about this earlier
is that the AI has started is starting to train
itself to lie to its own developers in order to
in order to properly train itself on information. I didn't
have anything further than that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I certainly don't disagree at all.
Speaker 1: Who would have thought the creation of Skynet was done
because progressive liberals, uh, you know, enforced this AI to
follow their religion, which is easily just proven by five
minutes of a feminist wrect compilation.
Speaker 4: Sounds like a great sci fi novel in the making.
Speaker 1: Actually yeah, well we shoot novel who are living in it.
But one of the wider points that I wanted to
speak about on this story, as as Pete mentioned, this
is a more or less this is a seventeen year
old story. I mean, this has been known and thought
about since. Really snowed in is what broke this, you know,
so just about every American understands that like almost a
complete picture of their life, their online activity, like all
of us here with our little Anon profile pictures. That's
there to stop immediate recognition. If the government or some
other dedicated group of people wants to find out who
you are are, there's so much information out there and
there are so many means of parsing it that there's
really nothing you could do about it. So I guess,
I guess what the the actual question is is not
necessarily this story about Palenteer and how you know Trump
is revealing this? But why is it being signal boosted? Now?
Why is it? It was signal boosted earlier this week?
But why is it being being seeded into the quote
unquote discourse and signal boosted as as you know, Oh,
it is a big story, you know this is This
is one of the questions that you need to ask,
is is whenever, you know, whenever a story comes into
the scene, whether it's true or not, the question is
why is it being signal boost Because there are a
million things that happen any given day, and any number
of them are newsworthy and can be reported on. And
you know, you only have such a limit your timeline,
your phone has only such a limited capacity of what
it can put in front of you. So why was
this particular story signal boosted? Why was it brought in
front of all of us? Was there possibly some ulterior
motive with it?
Speaker 3: I mean, the Senec can say it just takes takes
attention away from the fact that you know, we're not
getting you know, twenty thousand deportations a day, and you know,
the USA I D is still running in some sort
of way, and there were thirty six protests in the
streets today, and you know, to distract you from that.
I mean, shoot, there was a bunch of as far
as I'm concerned, there was a bunch of distractions happening
happening today that took away from a really you know,
big story that was on Twitter that was blown up
Twitter pretty good yesterday.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, and I actually think that's a that's a that's
a perfect segue into our final topic of the evening.
Any of you, gentlemen, of any further any final comments
on this whole palante here thing before we go to
our final topic of the evening.
Speaker 2: No, only to say that it's going to come back,
because it's there's there's some kind of internal factional struggle
going on. I mean, there always is, but in this case,
I think it has to do with the tech bros
and the intelligence communities. I've long said that you know,
people like Bezos and Musk and feel they don't get
you know, massive government contracts having to do with data
aggregation and cloud services as they're called and all the rest,
without being very much a part of the military industrial complex,
which is of course going to be joined at the
hip with intelligence services. So you know, there's some sort
of factional thing going on, and you know it's Bezos
has been very quiet for quite some time. You know,
what's his name, Zuckerberg. You know, seemed like he came
online with a different course of action. You know, his
PR people had him in pretending an interest in, you know,
forging Japanese swords, and he's doing curls and showing up
at MMA fights. There's something going on, and I think
there's there's a question now about which side of the
toast has the butter on it for these people. So
I think we're going to be seeing more of this,
absolutely absolutely well.
Speaker 1: That actually, Pete, you were mentioning a story that broke
yesterday that was actually kind of kind of buried today
by the very slow news day that we had. People
all seem to forget about it. But our good friend,
friend of the club, friend of the show, Oran McIntyre,
after watching an academic agent post a brilliant video that
I listened to was about thirty minutes long about a secretive,
very not very well known government agency called the Community
Relations Service, Right, And in both the video and in
Orang's thread, they go into the details of what this
service was, how it was that up under Title ten
of the Civil Rights Act, and how it has a
confidentiality that is matched only by something like the FBI.
So all notes that agents of this agency take is
destroyed or kept under lock and key in a physical
filing cabinet somewhere in the Department of Justice that you know,
cannot be accessed unless I don't know, does it take
a presidential Does it take a presidential inquiry to do it? It can't.
They don't have to. They don't have to testify before Congress.
They can invoke this privilege. So there's very little oversight
on this agency. So this agency has functionally been stage
managing most of the latter half of the twentieth century. Yeah,
right here, the Community Relations Service. It's a it's a
very very very small, very lesser known agency that operates
under the Department of the Justice. And what they functionally
do is what they you know, according to the according
to AA, is they go to these protests that or
they went to these protests historically to prevent them from
turning into into race riots, but very specifically they were
there to prevent white backlash against racial lash outs, which
you know, if you want to learn more and go
look at the thread and go watch AA's video, you know,
and go even read the book that AA pulled all
this out of it. It really, this is the closest
thing I think we're going to get to. We've you know,
A was talking about this. We all kind of come
from his orbit, or at least are familiar with him,
and you know, brought up on elite theory and media
manipulation and things like that, and this agency is the
closest thing I think we're going to get to a
smoking gun of the federal government basically manufacturing and signal boosting,
or at least in aspect, factions within the federal government
manufacturing and signal boosting the culture of the latter half
of the twentieth century to very consciously create the world
that we live in today. So right, take it away, gentlemen.
Speaker 4: I think one of the more interesting things that I
found about this whole discussion that A brought up to
everybody is how much it reminds me of things that
more goth and other British friends were saying about the
British Intelligence Services nudge unit that they were using in
the aftermath of some of these other racially motivated or
racially linked crimes, especially you know, certain concert bombings and
that sort of thing where you have don't look back
in anger, and it just it reminds me of that. Basically,
this seems to be a nudge unit.
Speaker 3: It's a you know, and it's part of the Civil
Rights Act, so apparently if you look at it, it's
it It is so important to the purpose of the
Civil Rights Act that this agency, this secretive agency, was
written into the Civil Rights Act, and that just really
lets you know when you look at some of the
stuff they do, some of the things that AA talked
about in that video, I mean from you know, everything
from it seems like, you know, how net Yahu when
he when he referred to Hamasi said I can control
the height of the flame. It seems like they control
the height of the flame on both sides. Whether it's
a chimp out, they can they can raise the flame
higher if it's you know, a white person, really upset
because their son just got murdered, you know, by some
you know, freaking pavement ape. They look they can lower
the flame. They go in there and I assume, you know,
we need Basically what needs to happen is some of
these parents who were guided by them need to talk,
need to speak out and say exactly what was done
to you? Were you threatened. It looks like Austin Metcalf's father,
even though he was pretty shit libby before this happened.
It looks like he had a handler, this big black
guy who was walking around with him whenever he was
in public after this happened. I mean, this is the
whole purpose of this. It It really reminds me this
agency off you if you really do like a big
breakdown of it's a social engineering agency. It's you know,
a control the culture agency. If you go into like
look at Chop Protective Services CPS. I've never I haven't
done it in every state, but I did a deep
dive into them in Texas. There they answered to no one,
they can do whatever they want. All of the you know,
the person who's the woman who's deciding whether your child
is being taken away or whether you can adopt somebody
is a twenty eight year old shit lib progressive single
woman with no kids, you know, with a college degree.
I mean, this is this goes so far across everything
of the social engineering regime that came out of books
like the authoritarian personality, you know, out of World War Two.
I mean, that's what this is that. I mean, it's
it's it's a part of this huge thing, but it's
so huge, and it's so it's what allows thirteen to
keep doing sixty.
Speaker 1: Sorry, do you have a Kudi graph?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 1: I'm good, Okay, Well, I mean and this is this
is I think, how what is it we talk about
earlier on the stream semiagogue, you've talked about how a
lot of this is inherited from the British and the
British way of doing things of Functionally, the British don't
have any domestic commodities. They don't have or well maybe
they had a little bit, but nothing compared to other
much more commodity rich powers, or at least industrial based
rich powers, and the British functionally, the way that they
were able to maintain power is by rules manipulation, media manipulation,
A very gorilla like means of altering the world's social order.
And it's actually a very good demonstration of elite theory.
Is the stranglehold that the British elite have had over
the world for such a very long time, even even
continuing up to this day. But these sorts of tactics
are utilized by them, have been utilized by them. I mean,
I can even think back to the Civil War Thomas
Carlyle or the pre Civil War the Anteveelopmyers. Thomas Carlyle
was the most popular English line whige intellectual on both
sides of the Mason Dixon line, and Thomas Carlile would
publish one pamphlet where he would defend slavery, and then
he would publish another pamphlet that would castigate the South,
you know, and they were both signal boosted, both very
I'm not saying Carlile was a party to British intelligence
wouldn't surprise me. But these pamphlets were very, you know,
cynically spread. In addition, what is it another thing that
they do is they hollow out the center. Right, There's
so many ways that you can manipulate media, but when
you want to functionally inflame a conflict to such a
point that it's created. What you do is you hollow
out the moderate voices, you signal d boost, You find
ways of making sure that their message gets strangled, and
then you signal boost to idiots, the radicals. You know,
a really good example of William Lloyd Garrison and the
Liberator and the radical abolitionists in the North who are
calling for things like you know, you know, the slave Revolution.
All white Southerners need to be killed by the like
like like very lurid, but very you know, unironic, like
all white Southerners are damned. And then on the other
side of the coin in the South you have the
fire eaters who are like, you know, slavery is morally
obligated by God and it absolutely needs to occur. And
that was signal boosted. And both of those were signal
boosted at the expense of the moderates, who are much
more numerous in number, in order to create functionally a
armed conflict, or at least to predispose an armed conflict
on the North American continents. So this has been going
on for a very long time, and this agency exists
actually more or less to do the opposite to.
Speaker 2: Or rather.
Speaker 1: Not necessarily to prevent a conflict, as it were, but
basically to shut down the other side, to allow one
side of these particular issues to you know, be completely unmolested,
act with a punity, and then the other side, whenever
there's a reaction, an equal and opposite reaction, justified or not,
they are controlled, you know, calmed down, cajoled, threatened, whatever,
in order to ensure a very deliberate outcome is affected.
So I don't know, these are this is this is
this is a very I mean, we've only scratched the surface,
I can assume. And as A said, they got arrogant.
They put all this in a friggin book. You can
read about all of it. It's framed as a positive.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a there's a that's one of the points
that I wanted to bring up. So I'm glad you
mentioned it. You know, it underscores the importance of what
gets called open source intelligence rather grandly. But the basic
idea is to just trawl through the material that's out
there that has been made public, and if one does
that purposefully, there's a great deal that can be revealed
about what's going on. And in this case, yeah, I
agree with you. This is as close to a smoking
gun as we're going to get. But of course that
is to say it's little more than a confirmation, and
of course confirmation is not nothing far from it. But
you know, let's not pretend we didn't all know this
was going on.
Speaker 3: We knew it.
Speaker 2: But yeah, now there's a there's a smoking gun, and
we have some sense of when this aspect of the
civil rights stuff started in the United States, you know,
and we had an entire government office or bureau or
whatever devoted to it, working in more or less in
the in the shadows. But yeah, I agree with you
that a lot of this goes back to a lot
of these techniques go back to Britain. Of course, they
had a very very effective spy service, spy network, you know,
starting at least as far back as people like Francis
Walsingham with his own sort of informal intelligence service for
the Crown and the Star Chamber where decisions were made.
And I don't to say here that this is all
about Britain. You know, the United States and the US
elites are currently well, let's say that the North Atlantic
elites in my view anyway, that once exploited the British
Empire for their ends, have sort of pulled up stakes
and moved to the United States after having gutted Britain,
and they operate from here with the US Navy as
a world's policeman rather than you know, formerly the British
Navy being it. But yeah, and I also agree with
the point about how far back it goes. I have
not yet looked into aspects, particularly with the Civil War,
war of Northern Aggression, war between the States, if you prefer,
I have not looked into those aspects closely yet, but
I hope to in an upcoming stream with sand Batch.
But I can say that's.
Speaker 1: His real quick, that's his undergraduate or his graduate thesis
that I basically cited verbatim when talking about Carlisle continue.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, Well, I'm looking forward to talking about it
because he's the first one I come across who shares
my skepticism about a number of things that went on
with that war. And certainly I see a fine English
hand there somewhere in the background. But it certainly goes
back to World War One. When you look into people
like Brenez, you know, most people don't get much past Burnez.
Brenees is of course great and he's important, but there's
also Walter Littman, and Litman and Brenees both cut their
teeth in World War One, basically being involved in what
were early versions of Bureaus of Propaganda. And World War
One is of course the point at which the United
States got dragged back in completely into the British orbit
as sort of a you know, break glass in case
of fire, Lackey to show up to bail them out.
So and again, as I say all this, I'm not
trying to claim that it's all Britain today. I think
it is bankers, and I think they're based in New
York and London, you know, who are at the top
of the food chain, manipulating things. But I'm not claiming
it's Britain, and I'm not claiming that the United States
doesn't bear very grave responsibility for what's being done in
its name. But this goes back to World War One,
at least in its modern form, with people like Lipman
and Berne's. There were other people in that period very
famous for what was what came to be called public relations,
like Ivy Lee. But Ivy Lee was a Southerner and
Ivy Lee also went over in the nineteen thirties and
helped with his early knowledge of public relations a certain
mid century German government. And as a consequence, everyone talks
about how Walter Lippman and Edward Burney's co ethnics were
really the great shining lights of developing public relations, whereas
ivy Lee has almost completely been forgotten. I hope to
change that with some streams in the future. Yeah, it's
been going on for quite some time, and these sorts
of manipulations with propaganda and the rest were originally developed
in war fighting environments, as you know, as a crisis contingency.
And this just underscores my argument that all is war
at all times and all places today because these sorts
of organizations foment war, raising up first one side of
a conflict and then the other in order to ensure
it continues to simmer, to deliver the maximum possible advantage
to our masters.
Speaker 1: If you want to figure out how this sort of
very deeply ingrained spy and intelligence system is defeated, I
would highly recommend you all study Michael Collins in the
early IRA that's a very good counter strategy against it,
that that actually kind of wrote the book on how
to defeat systems like that as reverse engineered by lots
of people in the later twentieth century.
Speaker 3: All Right, I.
Speaker 1: Certainly hope that the CRS gets a lot more media attention.
I would like to see everyone know about the CRS
if possible. This is this is really it is. It
is amazing the brazenness that a lot of these agencies
conduct themselves with any any final thoughts on this or
really any of the stories that we went over before
we head on into super chats.
Speaker 3: Only that not only this agency, but the whole CRA
needs to be destroyed and we're not a serious country.
If we still have that, We're not going to there's
no hope. I mean I already there's questions of whether
what can be saved or what can't, but a tendency
to believe there's not there's nothing in DC they can
be saved. It is worth preserving. But yeah, this, if anything,
people need to be people need to be re engineered
to understand that freedom of association is Europe is a
white European Yeah good, yeah, a white European. You know,
it's what we are without it or nothing.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, I'd only add that, Uh, yeah, you guys are
probably familiar with it, and it's you know, it's something
of a normy take, but it's not useless. You know,
Christopher Caldwell's book basically asserting that I can't remember the
name of it right now, perhaps one of you can,
but Asi of Entitlement, yes, yes, you know, arguing that
the civil rights regime that was imposed top down during
that period, you know, the mid sixties, amounts to a
new social covenant for the country and it has superseded
the Constitution. And you know, thinking about the CRS stuff
from that perspective sort of undersquirts the fact that what
this CRS office is, it's basically like the Iranian Republican Guard,
you know, being the elite forces tasked with protecting the
revolution against counter revolutionaries. I mean, that's just what it is.
I mean, if we just well, if you'll forgive the expression,
call a spade a spade, that's what we're that's what
we're dealing with here. And it's a very very ugly thing.
Change that battery, buddy. Yeah, So it's a it's a mess,
it's very ugly. It's a very dark thing to consider.
But you know, it's going to get worse before it
gets better, and we just have to remain resolute in
pointing our fingers at it so that it cannot slither
off again into the darkness.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, the twenty twenty it really was a matter of fact,
twenty twenty was a blessing because it was the same
It was the same playbook. It's just the playbook has
reached its diminishing rates of return and more or less
everyone can kind of see it for what it is now.
But yeah, exactly, it was. Yeah, there you go. You know,
who thought this was a good idea? Like this just
shows how sloppy they've gotten.
Speaker 3: Look at what's around his neck? I mean, yeah, it's
it's peaceful. I'm sorry, what's that? What's that? Uh? Pp
a right, unbelievable, unbelievable.
Speaker 1: Fiery, but mostly peaceful.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's one of the thinks. Yeah, and it just
it has to be a joke, it has to be
a meme. And you're like, no, they really did that.
They really did that, and they really do that ship
every single day. It was only when I started to dig,
you know, with the internet available as a resource, you know,
because I grew up with the generation before me, more
so even than you guys except for a Pete probably.
You know, it was the sixties, the sixties, the sixties,
you know, Jimi Hendrix, let's go listen to some led Zeppelin.
Wasn't it cool back then? You know, it was a
great sort of cultural revolution. And so I grew up
with these understandings of you know, the protests that happened
and all the rest, and so I did some looking.
I'm like, oh, okay, let's go look at the broad
burning stuff. Because you heard about bra burning in the sixties, right,
Anybody who's listening can go online and like look for
you know, bra burning protests, and you know what's going
to come up. A group basically one group of black
and white photographs. And when you can see all of
the ones that are available from the different sides aggregated,
you know, with a Google image search or whatever, you
could see that it's like four or five women with
one trash can that they're burning bras in and like,
I don't know, five or six people standing around. You
can only piece it together post facto, you know, given
this distance in time, when you get access to, you know,
all the photographs that were taken and that you realize, Wow,
these events happened maybe once or twice, and one or
two photos were shown and it was supposed to be,
you know, this massive upsurge in feminist consciousness, and you're like, no,
it was just some photographer with four women he hired
and they burned these bras and there's like one or
two photo shoots, and you know, they were just repeated
endlessly as this major thing, and you could see it
in retrospect for what it was even then, when you
look at all the stuff that happened from you know,
late twenty fifteen all the way through to today where
you see you know, some guy getting beaten up and
they're literally like twenty or thirty photographers with their little
you know, selfie sticks and you know, steady cam units
for their phones and their little bicycle helmets on standing around,
you know, pointed at this spectacle and you have to
wonder how much of that kind of thing is uh, yeah,
you'll you'll you'll find there's basically two of those and
that's it. That's the bra burning. But yeah, you have
to wonder how much of that was actually done by
the CRS. I mean, how much of this was done
by this this agency or whatever the hell it is. Uh,
and and what are the overlaps between it and other
aspects of the government. They get up to shady shit.
You know, does it really exist in a vacuum or
you know, is there a is there a special button
they can press on the intercom and talk to someone
over it one of the other you know, three letter agencies.
So yeah, same ship, different day.
Speaker 1: I'm just I'm just again. I can't help but just
keep emphasizing this. They put this all in a book
to be read. They boasted about this. You know, they
couldn't help themselves.
Speaker 3: They can't help it. They do this all the time.
I mean, you read their history and we know who
I'm talking about. They they do it. They they're like,
look look at look at what we did. And the
ultimate sin is to go, yeah, but that didn't work out. Well,
oh now it's a program. Now you want now you
now you want a program to happen. I'm done with it.
Oh I'm over it. I'm over it. I contacted AA
to say to congratulate him and thank him for, you know,
for revealing this. I mean, what great work he did.
And he said, yeah, my biggest problem was trying to
find names that didn't end in a certain thing, and
the only ones I could find were Rosa Parks, Martin,
Luther King, and LBJ.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Oh well, I hope I hope this this. Uh, I
hope this. Like I said, I hope that this agency
gets a great deal more media coverage, and I hope
more and more and more stuff comes out of it,
because as far as I'm aware, they're still operating, and
they still exist, and they still have staff on payroll
right now at this very second. Yeah, that's the book
right there, America's peacemakers. By let me, let me see
if I've got this right, bertram Levine Andande and Grande Long.
Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, Eastern Standard time, Eastern Standard time, that's right,
all right.
Speaker 1: You want to bring you know, you all want to
bring it into super chats. Yeah, let's do it, all right,
So starting off first and foremost, Steak nineteen sixty four
for eleven dollars. Evening, gents, Hope you all are doing
well or are all doing well. The Home Range Society
just grew by another member. We're all looking forward to
meeting him soon. Might be cafe. But the Elon Trump
spat is SUS. Salute to the OGC. Well, congratulations to
you on the Home Range Society holding it down there
in Kansas. You all are doing a great job, and
a good job on your new member.
Speaker 4: Solid Snake with the first super chat again here we go.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's getting his place back. Good job, Memphissippi. For
three dollars, he says. You can take the Spurg out
of Africa, but you can't take the Africa out of
the Spurg. Thank you very much, Sir Zenrath. For fifteen
US dollars, he says, the Bluestone Heritage League of Northern
Virginia welcomes all Heritage Americans who know what time it is,
unlike some South Africans who do not redeem the spaceship. Yeah,
if any of you are in the Northern Virginia DC
area southern Maryland and you're looking to get involved with
the Old Glory Club, we have a chapter out there
loose Stone Heritage League, and mister zen Rafits president is
one of one of one of our best, so I
highly recommend you all get involved if you're in that area.
Thank you, sir. Next up for Scott McGrath for two dollars,
he says, my PayPal mafia morogue elites, hail Donald J.
Trump Wall, I completely.
Speaker 2: Agreecommend you stop being such a faggin.
Speaker 1: Oh my goodness. Well, thank you, thank you sir. The
Servile Age Podcast for fifty dollars. He says, I don't
really have anything to say. I just want to throw
some money towards the OGC. Love the work, y'all do well.
Thank you, sir, Thank you very much.
Speaker 4: De shmell litt bit dexture.
Speaker 2: I love God.
Speaker 1: I've never listened to the servile Age podcast, but after
your generous donation, I might have to to check it out,
So thank you all very much.
Speaker 3: Sounds sounds afflet.
Speaker 1: Indeed, Chancey of Northwest for fifteen US dollars he says,
good eating gents. Cat's got a double dose of cancer.
Girlfriend is unhappy. I'm very sorry to hear that girlfriend
is unhappy, so I'll catch the stream later. Oddly enough,
the guy who discovered a potential treatment pathway got his
career derailed by harassment allegations and fled the country.
Speaker 2: What fun.
Speaker 1: I am sincerely sorry that woman occupied government has a
woman occupied society has has kept your cat from getting
a cancer treatment. It really it really does derail people's lives.
So my condolence is for you Filo's miscellany for five dollars,
he says, better to have the inevitable Trump musk fallout
now than before the midterm, Thank you very much, sir.
City Breakdancer Man for five dollars sends a salute. Thank you, sir,
We salute you back. Rome for five dollars says, good evening, all.
We are going to win. Yes, indeed, we are going
to win. Thank you very much, sir. Next up is
Hammer Rain for nine dollars and ninety nine cents. He says.
There's a doom slash sludge band in Athens, Georgia named
Harvey Milk. I've informed them that they will be renamed
to the Steven Miller Band. Well, thank you for informing them.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's going to be a shocked gasp echoing through
the forty watt Club if that place is still there Athens,
all right now?
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh my goodness, you gentlemen who are familiar with
North Georgia. What is the I looked, I looked at
University at Georgia for a little bit. What's the reputation
of Athens?
Speaker 3: I mean it's yeah, yeah, I think that's all I need. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Next up, Count Arthur for five dollars says as long
as we're naming ships after civilians, why not USS Gary Plausch.
I don't know who that is.
Speaker 2: Oh, he's famous Olive Screen right now.
Speaker 1: I do know who that is. Never mind, never mind,
that would certainly be fitting.
Speaker 3: Beg you, sir.
Speaker 4: Usually when the name ships after civilians is because they
have some unique contribution to the Navy, like a second
map or something like that. Yeah, like Forest dollars was
was famous for that.
Speaker 1: Indeed, Uh Clemens X ninety for five dollars, says us
NS Harvey Wallbanger. I completely support this, Harvey, that.
Speaker 4: The president of it just has a ring to it.
I mean, come on, it does it?
Speaker 1: Does you know? The president of the of the of
the Vetas Dominium Chapter, the first officially incorporated chapter of
the Old Glory Club, because Virginia is always first. We're
not we're not necessarily the best, but we are always first.
I think he certainly does deserve a Navy ship named
after him. If y'all are in the tidewater area of Virginia, Virginia,
Beachampton Roads, get involved with the with the VDC, the
Vetas Dominium chapter. It's it's it's there are our oldest
club in one of our our oldest chapter rather than
one of our best friends. So if you're in that area,
i'd highly recommend next up Balaro three nine three for
five dollars, he says. The Typical New Society, which is
our chapter in Indiana, hosted a chat with George Bagby
on the American struggle for the Old Northwest and the
significance of the Battle of Typica New Well, thanks for
sharing that with us. We'd be happy to link and
promote that on on the Old Glory Club, Twitter, accountant
or or and elsewhere. And if any of you all
are in mister George Bagby is a great thinker, by
the way, he deserves all of a great deal of
your time and attention, particularly on local American history. And
if you are in the Indiana era, it's good. This
is just going to turn into me shilling our various chapters.
Speaker 3: It is just how it is.
Speaker 1: You're in the Indiana area, you want to get involved.
The Typical New Society is the chapter in Indiana. So
thank you, Jennen, thank you very much. Bullaro three nine
to three A Rome again for twenty dollars, says the
state of the navy is a bell weather for the
state of the country. You can only go so far
off the momentum of what was built by your betters.
We need to start learning to build again. I completely agree,
But learning to build takes a great deal more time
than learning to destroy or just simply letting things rot.
Speaker 4: As everybody knows. It's also how much of your shipbuilding
capacity do you actually have? How many dockyards, how many
how much steel, how much coal can you produce? All
of these logistical things like if we don't have that
kind of stuff anymore because we all allowed it to
be shipped overseas, So there you go.
Speaker 1: Indeed, yeah, And I mean, you know, there's a lot
of talk of bringing industry back to the United States,
but you know, just like you know, a great many
things is one thing to talk about it, it's another
thing to do it. And even if you are doing it,
it's not it's not something you do overnight. So well
beg you, sir Paladin y y z for gold, just
gold for one hundred and fifty dollars. I think I
think that deserves some gold.
Speaker 6: This is gold, mister Barton. All my life, I've been
in love with its color. I welcome any enterprise that
will increase my stock.
Speaker 1: I tried to do that dramatic thing or the gold
would play and then I would say the amount like that,
like like GEO did. But alas and he said, I
just I wanted to jump in on on shipbuilding just
before we're too far past it.
Speaker 2: Bill, the big beautiful bill, which catches so much shit,
allocates thirty four billion to expand the US Naval three
fleet through increased shipbuilding efforts, and it has Department of
Defense resources for shipbuilding, border security fleets, and port technology,
and essentially supports the Executive Order on Maritime Dominance. So
to that point it should be mentioned.
Speaker 1: Absolutely God willing, I hope that thirty four billion doesn't
get you know, just because I know the Northern Virginia
and I know the economy that's going into I hope it.
I hope ninety percent of it doesn't just go into
the acquisition's programs and no actual shipyards get built.
Speaker 4: Now, the institutional pressure is definitely there for the Navy,
so I mean, they know they've known for at least
you know the better part of ten years. Now that
China's appeared a peer competitor, things need to get done,
even if they don't want to.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 1: I think, I think, I think Paladin yy Z deserves
some more gold. Before we read a super chat again,
we kind of got interrupted.
Speaker 6: I love gold.
Speaker 4: Look smell a bit detexture.
Speaker 1: I love gold, Paladin. We we love you so much
that we give you gold twice to give you your proper
respect and your proper due. And he says, just thought
I would do my normal thing and demonstrate my total
and undying support for Israel. Absolutely, we all, we all
completely and totally support our greatest Ally, I would die
for Israel. I'm preparing to die for Israel on a
day to day basis. I completely support the country.
Speaker 2: From the river to the sea. Israel backstab me.
Speaker 1: So true, But yes, thank thank you, Paladin y y Z,
always one of our most generous patrons. Solid Snake nineteen
sixty four again for two dollars, He says, Silver hit
thirty six dollars today, a twelve year high. Crazy market. Yeah,
I mean, I think last time I checked gold is
gold broke three thousand. I don't know where it's at
right now, Capitalissimo, our brother from the Saint Louis chapter,
sends us ten dollars, and he says, Custom and Border
Protection controls via rules. How many containers are examined at
entry ports. Congress mandated one hundred percent screening, but it
is not done due to logistics. We could start physically
searching every Chinese container tomorrow. Yeah, I completely agree, completely agree,
thank you, sir. I mean, would that be feasible logistically
doing that?
Speaker 2: Yeah? I don't know. I don't know enough about logistics
in general, but certainly we've got, you know, the millim
meter wave scanning technology, so you could basically have these
you know, cars rolling through something much like what you're
what you have to pass through at an airport check.
You know they can do that. They've been I mean
after the nine to eleven shit happened. I remember we
pitched one. We actually did some animations for a company
to promote their through wall scanning technology, so you know,
you can scan through solid objects without even having to
open them.
Speaker 1: Excellent. Pull on one second, Okay, Next up is Seasider
for ten dollars. He sends us a salute, as he
always does. Thank you very much, seasider, very grateful Paul
LUNs for twenty dollars. He says, the typical new society
also takes a strong stance against Milk and his ilk
as all good who's years should also screw all the
US Navy's ship names. I completely agree, completely agree, mister Lansford.
Speaker 4: Yeah, all the n S ship names are gay, and
they've always been gay. They need to come up with
a better system of how to name those particular vessels.
Speaker 1: The n is not Navy, correct, it's something else.
Speaker 4: Yeah, In the us NS is merchant mariner or merchant marines.
These are logistics ships typically, so like the us NS
Harvey Milk of the us NS Bighorn, these are fleet oilers.
They're not typically crewed by US Navy personnel, that is,
military personnel. They're civilian contractors is who they're actually crewed by,
which is why there's a slight difference in designation. But anyway,
in any case, yes, all the ship class names. There
needs to be a better pattern for these things. Generally speaking,
you have aircraft carriers named after presidents or famous admirals
or people who have like secretaries of the Navy who've
done great things to get the navy, you know, in
a good spot. Then you have the cruisers who are
like famous battles destroyers who are either you know, less
well known admirals or you know, naval commanders. And then
like the submarines are all named after states, and increasingly
you see like the LCS class named after mid sized
cities and that sort of thing. Used to be that
battleships were named after states and that cruisers were named
after cities and that sort of thing. But yeah, there
needs to be a better system for how we come
up with the USNS ship names. For sure, I agree.
Speaker 1: Melon for five dollars, he says. The most useful part
of the provos IRA was the couch surfing network. On
an unrelated note, y'all need friends in every corner of
your states, indeed, and if you want to join a
wonderful network of friends and you know, just almost every
corner of the state, so I get involved in the
old Glory Club. Yeah, it appears, it appears I skipped
an entire page. Oops, sorry we skipped ahead a little bit.
Blame Paul. Paul's an idiot, but sorry. Maple Copperhead for
five dollars says salute gentlemen from Georgia and your brethren
in the James Ogleflort Society. Your data is safe with us.
Are Indeed, if you're in North Georgia the Atlanta area,
you want to get involved, join the James Ogle Flort Society.
Yeah yeah, idiot, Paul, you can crucify me in the comments. Paladin,
yise for fifty dollars again. I think that deserves some
more gold.
Speaker 6: This is gold, mister Vonde, all my life, I've been
in love with its color. I welcome any enterprise that
will increase my stock.
Speaker 1: And he says Hegseth has a long, long history of
lactose intolerance. This is not a surprise. Is he making
a joke here? Is this serious? Is?
Speaker 4: Haig said?
Speaker 3: Actually?
Speaker 4: Lactics intolerant? Is that like a literal thing?
Speaker 3: I think it's a reference to Harvey Milk.
Speaker 1: That's the thing. I never know with Paladin, whether he's
whether he's he's being serious or if he's making a joke.
Speaker 3: He's way he's way too clever for me. He posts
comments on my live stream and I'm like, oh, so
I'm going to have to research stuff. I mean, it's
like darn, yeah.
Speaker 1: No, Paladin's like usually five or six steps ahead, and
it's a lot of times he'll say something, I'm like, man,
you said that in such a way that now I
actually have to sit here and think about it. Consider
writing part time. Polly b for fifteen dollars, and he
says CRS equals Caucasian Removal Service, simple as nothing more.
I like that. I like that Caucasian Removal Service. Indeed,
thank you, sir Balera three nine to three for five dollars.
GOP congressmen should hold Truth and Reconciliation hearings on the
CRS if they want to raise any money from their
base in the next election cycles. Well, I mean, I
hope the CRS gets enough media attention to make that
a reality, you know. I hope the CRS becomes enough
of an issue that congressmen will feel like they need
to raise money or going after it in order to win.
Speaker 4: You just need to ask very simple questions, what exactly
was your role during the summer of Floyd? What were
you doing? What have you been doing over the last
ten years?
Speaker 1: Indeed, Count Arthur for five dollars says Community Relations Service
on Defense, National Lawyer's Guild on Offense so true. Completely agree,
Paladin YYZ for twenty dollars. He says, tyranny by the
majority is a very real thing. I can yeah, it
is true. Tyranny by the majority is a very real thing.
I'm trying to think of what he's specifically talking about. There,
I say, very true, and then I think about it
for a second. I'm like, well, wait a minute, what's
he talking about. I mean, it is true, the majority
can tyrannize. I don't know, maybe it's just they should
just take the comminant face value. Sergeant total for five dollars,
he says, mister lulbertarian elon, we can't care about piggyback
piggybanks when we should be focused on crushing every libtard
institution and association. Completely agree. If only the Republican Party
shared your sentiment.
Speaker 4: You can balance the budgets later. You need to get
the demographic situation under control. That like, if you're dispossessed,
the money doesn't matter because you're losing the money anyway.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a tweet that just went out about that
that was very well phrased. You know, if America stops
being American, nothing else matters. I don't care about making
sure we give away a fiscally sound country to migrants,
So that pretty much sums it up.
Speaker 1: Indeed, Kenny Day for twenty dollars, he says, thanks pards Well,
thank you Kenny Day for your patronage watching the stream
elfemplar for five cringy. I can never read your stupid
old English name correctly.
Speaker 4: Walk Yeah, change your name back to Prince.
Speaker 1: Walker Chris Well, I mean everyone knows who he is.
For five dollars, he says. My money is on Musk's
handler poisoning his ketamine yay style. They drug the elite
to get them nuts. That wouldn't surprise me, you know,
but I guess you know, I guess it turns into
a who who watches the elite druggers and how much
of the elite's drug in any good time?
Speaker 4: I mean, I'm sure our audience would absolutely agree that
they shouldn't be using ketamine, they should be using nicotine instead.
Speaker 1: So true, And you can purchase nicotine at the app
affiliate link for the Old Glory Club that you can
find on our on our on Twitter page. I've personally
purchased a great deal of it.
Speaker 3: I mean, is there anyone who hasn't thought that, you know,
he he was doing all this while he was deep
down in the K hole.
Speaker 1: You don't, you don't. You don't directly confront the lions
sober I will say that. But then again, maybe he
is just that much of a spurg Oh boy, who
any anyway? Enrigo Palazo for five dollars, he says, Uss.
Jim traffiicant, I don't know who that is.
Speaker 3: Oh, traffic count was a hit. Oh man, his speech
before before the Congress that he gave that basically got him.
I mean they found a way to throw him in
jail after he gave that speech. It was early days
and good days, good.
Speaker 1: Man must be before my time. Next up our penultimate superchat,
Sully the Amalekite for ten dollars, he says, Uss George L. Rockwell,
he was a naval aviator after all, achieved the rank
of commander. Yeah, he certainly was, and he certainly did.
And then solely the Amalekite for another five dollars, he says,
sorry usns Rockwell, and that a barring any last minute
buzzer beaters, you guys said in that is the full
extent of our super chats this evening. So yeah, Pete,
you have anything to shill?
Speaker 3: Paladin just threw in, threw in a quick super chat.
Speaker 1: Oh he did, he did. He did Wild and YYZ
for twenty five dollars. He says the tyranny comment was
a reference to Bernet's Eluel and Littmann. Well, thank you
for clarifying that. Now, I kind of now I know
what you're talking about a little bit more. Excellent, Pete,
you got anything to shill?
Speaker 3: Just dropped a an episode with Cameron McGregor from the
U from the Backlash podcast. We had a really good talk.
I think he uh you know, we agreed on a lot.
He saw my appearance on there on their show and
decided to come on and talk about some of the
things that he sees and check it out. I think
he'll I think people are going to be uh surprised
by this conversation and probably want to hear more from him.
And his YouTube channel is pretty cool.
Speaker 1: Whose son is that?
Speaker 3: By the way, it is Colonel Douglas Macgary your son.
Speaker 1: Yes, excellent, just just figure that should be shared. Yeah,
go check that out. Pete does great work. I listened
to his stuff very regularly. Mister Managel, do you have
anything to shill?
Speaker 4: I do, actually, so this is not related to any
of my content and you all know where to find me.
But I understand that there are some of the Texas
guys who are getting organized and getting up and starting
to do stuff. So if anybody is in the Texas area,
specifically in Houston or the Austin area, you guys, or
in any area of Texas or Louisiana, you guys, can
send an email to the Old Glory Club and try
to get in contact with us. We would like to
have you, and.
Speaker 1: Yes, outstanding, Yes, get involved. If you're in Texas and
you're in the park where mister Mandel is, please get
involved in his way. It's it would be It would
be great to have you.
Speaker 4: Yes, we just started the Dallas fourth chapter. There is
the Black Leveled Prairie Readers chapter to be precise with
the name. But the other areas of Texas are are
a little sluggish in comparison, and we would like to
change that. So yes, do you.
Speaker 1: Join mister semi real quick before I get to you,
we got one last buzzer beater super chat. Do I do?
I have to read this live? On air, do I
have to I guess it?
Speaker 2: To me, it's accepted. It's it's good form.
Speaker 1: You most all right, Enrico Palazzo for for two dollars,
he says, Bernhei's sauce is what Hardy Milk gives.
Speaker 4: Oh there's another buzzer beater too.
Speaker 1: From Enrico Plazo again he says, he says, what about
Ehud barak Elon I I have I have no idea.
I have no idea what he's saying there. Maybe one
of you might.
Speaker 2: No idea.
Speaker 1: It's it's Greek. To me, Palazzo, I can't. I can't
understand what you're talking about there, But thank you for
your patronage. All right, mister Semiagog, do you have anything
to show? I know you talked about some streams you
have coming up.
Speaker 2: Uh well, yeah, one in future. I have scheduled for
a couple of weeks out with King Pild. I intend
to pick his brain because he's someone who has always
followed the uh the tech bro scene fairly closely, so
I'm looking forward to speaking with him. I've had him
on for a couple of streams in the past, and
they've been very interesting from from my perspective at any rate.
All I would say is please do follow me over
on X follow me on Telegram if you like I'm
not as active there, follow me on YouTube please, and
uh yeah, I'll be producing content otherwise. Yeah, just very
happy to be here. Thank you very much for the invitation. Gentlemen.
It's always always a pleasure to talk with you.
Speaker 1: Well, thank you for coming on. We're very glad to
have you, and anytime you want to come back, you're
most welcome here. Hopefully next time something happens in in
Turkey and we can we can have you talk about that.
I don't I don't know if we can we can
make Turkey relate to the United States, but we I'm sure,
I'm sure we can find a way. We got good
brain power here at the OGC. All right, ladies and gentlemen.
With that, thank you all very much for joining us.
I hope you enjoyed the stream, and I hope you
all have a very good week a very good and
safe weekend, and God bless you all.
Speaker 3: Take care