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<v Speaker 1>Five o five and thinking about d r C the

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<v Speaker 1>talk station.

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<v Speaker 2>Suesday, Tuesday, Someday, Honor flight Tuesdays. Yeah, well we could

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<v Speaker 2>use a vacation. That'll be me next week. Good to

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<v Speaker 2>see Sean mcmannnon. They're coming for Joe Stracker and uh

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<v Speaker 2>happy to report it is honor flight Tuesday. I got

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<v Speaker 2>a heads up and a reminder. I knew it was

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<v Speaker 2>going on, but uh, curbbage. Mike, my submarine or friend

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<v Speaker 2>Mike is there active downtown at CVG seeing the veterans off.

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<v Speaker 2>He sent me a couple of photographs of the veterans

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<v Speaker 2>all lined up getting real excited about taking off. And

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<v Speaker 2>of course, excuse me, uh clear, you're in the vocal

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<v Speaker 2>cords out this morning. An opportunity to celebrate and participate.

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<v Speaker 2>It is, of course the Welcome Home rally, which is

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<v Speaker 2>just absolutely truly amazing. If you have an opportunity to

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<v Speaker 2>be at CVG Level C tonight around nine oh five,

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<v Speaker 2>I recommend getting there a little bit early. You'll be

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<v Speaker 2>glad you went. Real healthy dose of patriotism. The veterans

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<v Speaker 2>just get so excited and they've had a really, really

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<v Speaker 2>long day. You got some senior veterans in that group too,

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<v Speaker 2>not all of them, but after an entire day, it's

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<v Speaker 2>like twelve hours or so, or maybe even longer than

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<v Speaker 2>I think. It's actually longer than that they've been up

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<v Speaker 2>at about But it's a real shot of adrenaline for them,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's a real shot of adrenaline for you too.

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<v Speaker 2>So CVEG tonight nine oh five, level C. Just follow

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<v Speaker 2>the crowds. There'll be a lot of people there, and

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<v Speaker 2>if you have an opportunity to take some young people there,

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<v Speaker 2>I cannot encourage you enough to do that. It's just

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<v Speaker 2>really cool, absolutely cool thing going on. Coming up on

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<v Speaker 2>the FITCHW five GARC Morning Show today seven oh five.

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<v Speaker 2>God love Peter Brownson. What a great guy, terrific author, historian.

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<v Speaker 2>He writes wonderful, wonderful books, and you've had him on

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<v Speaker 2>the program many times over the years. Consider him a friend,

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<v Speaker 2>and I always enjoy our conversations. Quite engaging he is today.

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<v Speaker 2>Actually on tomorrow is the twenty fourth anniversary of the

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<v Speaker 2>Cincinnati Riots, and so Peter's gonna be talking a little

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<v Speaker 2>about that because he wrote a book about it, Behind

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<v Speaker 2>the Lines, Untold Story of the Cincinnati Riots. It just

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<v Speaker 2>seems like, well, many cases yesterday, but in many other

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<v Speaker 2>cases it seems like a lot longer time ago than that.

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<v Speaker 2>So Peter Bronson on that his thoughts, his recollections, and

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<v Speaker 2>you know how far we've come since then?

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<v Speaker 1>Have we made any progress?

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<v Speaker 2>I'd like to think so Inside Scoop it is Tuesday,

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<v Speaker 2>we get the Inside Scoop with bright Barton News. Today,

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<v Speaker 2>London Bureau Chief Oliver Lane returns to the program talk

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<v Speaker 2>about what's going on in Europe, what it means for

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<v Speaker 2>us and an Empower You seminar. Oliver Lane actually doing

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<v Speaker 2>an Empower Youth seminar taking place tonight seven pm. While

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<v Speaker 2>authoritarianism has been on their eyes among other among the

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<v Speaker 2>political class, a populist reaction is taking place in response.

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<v Speaker 2>So that's the subject matter and so today we'll talk

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<v Speaker 2>about that on a less in depth basis seven pm.

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<v Speaker 2>Empower Youamerica dot org. I believe it is a login

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<v Speaker 2>only one. I can double check on that so I

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<v Speaker 2>can give you the details later in the program, because

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<v Speaker 2>sometimes you can go to the Empower Youth seminar. But

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<v Speaker 2>since Oliver Lane is the London Bureau Chief, I doubt

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<v Speaker 2>he's going to be flying into town to be at

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<v Speaker 2>the empower use seminar studios, so comfort and convenience of

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<v Speaker 2>your own home. Go to empower you America dot org.

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<v Speaker 2>Just register for it. Because he's a brilliant man, absolutely

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<v Speaker 2>wonderful job he's done over the years. Here in the

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<v Speaker 2>Morning Show with the inside scoop. Of course, it is Tuesday.

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<v Speaker 2>Daniel Davis Deep Dive. He'll join the program at eight

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<v Speaker 2>thirty Retired lieutendor Colonel Daniy Davis. I suspect to be

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<v Speaker 2>talking about the Ukraine Russia situation. It has been the

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<v Speaker 2>dominant topic your conversation between the two of us for

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<v Speaker 2>a while now. And then Doctor Show Joseph Shaughnessy, one

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<v Speaker 2>of the wonderful doctors at OHC my cancer doctors. Today

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<v Speaker 2>we're going to be talking about head and neck cancer.

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<v Speaker 2>He is a specialist and head and neck cancer among others.

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<v Speaker 2>So lots of valuable information from doctor Shaughnessy. And that'll

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<v Speaker 2>be at eight forty five. Uh, it could be you

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<v Speaker 2>right now if you want to give me a call

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<v Speaker 2>five one, three, seven, four, nine fifty five hundred, eight

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<v Speaker 2>on the plate. China's retaliate. They're retaliating. Trump's threatening an

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<v Speaker 2>additional fifty percent tariffs.

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<v Speaker 2>Some countries are stepping up and saying no, let's sit

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<v Speaker 2>down to talk. Taiwan has offered zero tariffs and more

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<v Speaker 2>investment in the United States. I call that progress. Japan

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<v Speaker 2>wants to sit down and negotiate. Been at in Yaho

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<v Speaker 2>deficit with the United States and get rid of reciprocal tariffs.

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<v Speaker 2>So progress going in the right direction. But this one

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<v Speaker 2>troubled me, moving away from tariffs, and you know it's

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<v Speaker 2>sad when I read it. The realities of what is

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<v Speaker 2>revealed in this poll. Rutgers University and Network Contagion Research

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<v Speaker 2>joined together to a poll. But the fact that it

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't shock me. The majority of self identified leftists you

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<v Speaker 2>know who you are, say, will be at least somewhat

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<v Speaker 2>justified to murder Donald Trump, murder them. Network and Tagent

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<v Speaker 2>Research Institute, and again Rutgers University Social Perception LAD released

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<v Speaker 2>this poll yesterday as a survey was says support for

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<v Speaker 2>political violence in the United States or the State's results

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<v Speaker 2>found the political violence targeting Trump and of course Elon Musk,

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<v Speaker 2>in their words, is becoming increasingly normalized. Welcome to social media.

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<v Speaker 2>Fifty five percent of those self identified as left of

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<v Speaker 2>center said murdering Trump would have at least somewhat justified,

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<v Speaker 2>and a share of forty eight percent of leftists said

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<v Speaker 2>the same thing about murdering Elon Musk. You got to

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<v Speaker 2>contemplate that, you know, my entire life, I have been

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<v Speaker 2>a you know, I have transformed.

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<v Speaker 1>I was going to kill them all.

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<v Speaker 2>Let God sorted out conservative a long long time ago,

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<v Speaker 2>and I woke up to the benefits and realities of

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<v Speaker 2>my little l libertarian political viewpoint much much more tolerant.

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<v Speaker 2>I appreciate freedom so much more. I appreciate other people's

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<v Speaker 2>points of view so much more. And I'm willing to

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<v Speaker 2>sit down and discuss various points of view and hopefully

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<v Speaker 2>come up with a better answer. You know, the more

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<v Speaker 2>you talk, the more you might learn, and the more

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<v Speaker 2>willing you are to listen to someone else, the more

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<v Speaker 2>there is a possibility that you might change your position.

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<v Speaker 2>You may find yourself in the wrong position. And reflecting

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<v Speaker 2>back on my life over the years, I admit that

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<v Speaker 2>I have been on the wrong side on certain issues.

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<v Speaker 2>I've always been conservative. I've always believed in, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>low taxation and small government. But you know, in so

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<v Speaker 2>far as social issues are concerned, going back to the

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<v Speaker 2>libertarian boiled down principles, I trust you with your zipper

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<v Speaker 2>and I trust you with your wallet. Makes life easier

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<v Speaker 2>when you just can live side by side with people

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<v Speaker 2>of different philosophies. But hey, don't take what's mine, I

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<v Speaker 2>won't take what's yours, and I won't try to tell

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<v Speaker 2>you how to live your life. That's just me boiled down.

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<v Speaker 2>But you know you to ask an eighteen year old

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<v Speaker 2>Brian Thomas. That fine. But at no point in anywhere

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<v Speaker 2>in my life that I think it would have ever

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<v Speaker 2>been appropriate to murder someone who is on the op

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<v Speaker 2>opposite side of the political ledger of me, regardless of

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<v Speaker 2>how far opposite they are. I just don't understand this,

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<v Speaker 2>the idea of violence being embraced by so many people. Overall,

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<v Speaker 2>thirty eight percent that was at least somewhat justified to

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<v Speaker 2>murder Donald Trump thirty one percent of the same about

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<v Speaker 2>Elon Musk, The surveyors found a quote broader assassination culture

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<v Speaker 2>appears to be emerging within the segments of the US

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<v Speaker 2>public on the extreme left. Note there is an absence

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<v Speaker 2>of the same conclusions on the extreme right, according to

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<v Speaker 2>their findings, quote the finding signal a threat to political

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<v Speaker 2>stability and public safety. Well look what we got going

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<v Speaker 2>on out in the world. CEOs of Evil Healthcare Corporation

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<v Speaker 2>is getting gunned down, shot in the back of the head.

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<v Speaker 2>And the reaction from so many people on the left

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<v Speaker 2>is to embrace the guy, sell t shirts with the

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<v Speaker 2>guy's picture on it, set up funding for this, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>this assassin.

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<v Speaker 1>They've got him on film doing it.

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<v Speaker 2>Survey also found thirty nine point eight percent of respondent

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<v Speaker 2>said is at least somewhat acceptable to destroy a Tesla

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<v Speaker 2>dealership and protest? And you know, as this goes on

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<v Speaker 2>and all of this is being celebrated online, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's always easy to say, you know, if this

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<v Speaker 2>doing us and they went after a Shaw and Shaw,

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<v Speaker 2>and you know, there'd be absolute outrage. Well that's because

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<v Speaker 2>the mainstream media tends to lean left, if you haven't

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<v Speaker 2>noticed that, And yeah, I do believe there would be

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<v Speaker 2>a lot more outrage. But you know, fundamentally where our

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<v Speaker 2>are our politicians. The silence from the left is deafening

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<v Speaker 2>on this violence. It's been express against well doge for example.

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<v Speaker 2>They're uncovering fraud, waste, and abuse. They're not impacting many

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<v Speaker 2>people's lives. Yes, they are pairing back the size and

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<v Speaker 2>scope of a government that has gotten so big it

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<v Speaker 2>can't account for the money it takes from you. And

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<v Speaker 2>you happens to be everybody across the political spectrum, assuming

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<v Speaker 2>you're working. And how is that a bad thing unless

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<v Speaker 2>you're part of some global cabal that wants to get

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<v Speaker 2>rid of the United States completely. And I know there's

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<v Speaker 2>a segment of the of the political spectrum out there

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<v Speaker 2>that is that way. I'd like to hope and get

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<v Speaker 2>down on my knees and pray that that segment is very,

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<v Speaker 2>very small. That the vast majority of us want to

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<v Speaker 2>live in our own country and and and have the

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<v Speaker 2>freedoms that we enjoy, want to be able to get

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<v Speaker 2>him and go to work, not be told to you

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<v Speaker 2>know what we can and cannot buy, which seems to

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<v Speaker 2>be what the globist cabal want to do. Control the

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<v Speaker 2>terms of conditions of every element of our lives. We

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<v Speaker 2>like to think the vast majority of us here in

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<v Speaker 2>this country do not ascribe to that. But where is

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<v Speaker 2>the outrage and where is the resistance? I mean, you'd

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<v Speaker 2>think that some of the Democrat Party who has to

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<v Speaker 2>understand that, you know, in the face of all of

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<v Speaker 2>the years of screaming about and hatred that was stirred

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<v Speaker 2>and the ire that was directed toward Donald Trump, evil

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<v Speaker 2>orange man, you couldn't mention his name without putting the

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<v Speaker 2>whole stream of expletives in front of it. Or you know, racist, nazi, homophobes, emophobe,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, on and on and on and on and on.

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<v Speaker 2>We heard of that for years and years and years,

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<v Speaker 2>and yet he beat Kamala Harris in the popular vote.

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<v Speaker 2>And as more and more analysis comes out, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>it was a lot of the positions that the left embraced,

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<v Speaker 2>the far left wing of the Democrat Party by all accounts,

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<v Speaker 2>not just Brian Thomas's opinions, the opinions of many people

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<v Speaker 2>who are you know, regular Democrat commentators, folks that are

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<v Speaker 2>Democrats that do political analysis, pollsters, people even within the

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<v Speaker 2>Democrat Party. You know, we're in the wrong directions. Vice

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<v Speaker 2>presidential candidate Waltz actually admitted that the other day out loud.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, we need to rethink where we are. The

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<v Speaker 2>American people do not embrace this far left craziness. And

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<v Speaker 2>as with that in mind, if you want to try

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<v Speaker 2>to rehabilitate yourself, don't you think that you, as a Democrat,

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<v Speaker 2>to the phones where my submarine or friend cribbage Mike

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<v Speaker 2>is there live. Welcome Mike, Thanks for reminding me this

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<v Speaker 2>morning it is honor flight day.

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<v Speaker 1>How is it down there?

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<v Speaker 5>I tell you just about everybody's checked in, the bagpipes

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<v Speaker 5>are stationed, and Cheryl Pop's stop ready to kick off

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<v Speaker 5>this ceremony. That's going to be a wonderful day. And

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<v Speaker 5>I'm almost I'm mad at myself because I didn't bring

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<v Speaker 5>my cribbage board because we actually have another submarine vetteran

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<v Speaker 5>the work flight.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, can you as is it safe to presume, ussume

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<v Speaker 5>When I was an instructor at submarine school, that was

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<v Speaker 1>I love that. I love that.

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<v Speaker 2>So what the vast majority of veterans I guess are Vietnam, Yes, or.

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<v Speaker 5>Almost almost one hundred percent on this flight, just looking

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<v Speaker 5>at the itinerary, and predominantly mostly Army, Army and Navy

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<v Speaker 5>are out of the eighty eight, we got nine Marines,

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<v Speaker 5>twenty air Force. But just everybody's fired up and ready

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<v Speaker 5>to go and just can't wait to get them there

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<v Speaker 5>to DC see the memorials. I mean, even though I

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, tonight at nine o'clock.

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely, and you might experience analogy outbreak if you are

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<v Speaker 2>there at CVG at nine oh five, get their early

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<v Speaker 2>for the welcome home rally. It's just such a worthy

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, sir.

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<v Speaker 5>Myself and mister Andrew Pappas will be on the flight

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<v Speaker 5>to experience the entire day with these veterans and just

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<v Speaker 5>cannot wait.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, having done it twice, I know what a treat

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<v Speaker 2>it is and a pleasure it is to be there

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<v Speaker 2>and participate, and I know you're going to have a

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<v Speaker 2>fantastic day. Godspeed and safe travels to each and every

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<v Speaker 2>one of you. I will look forward to hearing. Maybe

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<v Speaker 2>you give me a call tomorrow morning and tell my

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<v Speaker 2>listeners what the welcome home event was like is It's

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<v Speaker 2>always a great thing to get a recap on the

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<v Speaker 5>Maybe my pleasure, Brian Thomas, and once again, thank you

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<v Speaker 5>so very much for your one percent support.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey man, it's the least I can do. I love

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<v Speaker 2>you guys, Be safe, have fun and again I'll look

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<v Speaker 2>forward to here getting a recap tomorrow from you, Mike.

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<v Speaker 1>Safe travels.

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<v Speaker 2>Man accuse letting his dogs attack Cincinnati police officers and

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<v Speaker 2>Detention Center on a twenty five thousand dollars bond. See

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<v Speaker 2>what are since at police officers have to go through

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<v Speaker 2>our police more often. Can you imagine going to work

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<v Speaker 2>that might very well happen to you. Good Butler County

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<v Speaker 2>Prosecutor's office determined the actions taken by a Lachland police

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<v Speaker 2>on March nineteenth, Hamilton County Prosecutor County pillichs said Mumaru

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<v Speaker 2>The officer feared for his life and first tried to

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<v Speaker 2>go out to the Mi Miratutis family, but it's important

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<v Speaker 2>unknown if the forty eight year old was even involved

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<v Speaker 2>on the interstate. I'll I hope your Criminal Investigations has

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<v Speaker 2>been investigating the shooting since that morning. Yesterday, BCIs spokesman

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<v Speaker 2>four Lachland officers who had been testing the devices for

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<v Speaker 2>Let's go straight to the phone, start with the order

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<v Speaker 2>in which they received, which means Corey's first Corey, good morning,

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome to the show.

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<v Speaker 7>More on Bryan your story about Officer mass shooting story

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<v Speaker 7>thik tek is my bloods boyle uh. First of all,

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<v Speaker 7>the place, only have you use the right to use

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<v Speaker 7>legal force any of any of the rest of us.

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<v Speaker 7>Your life is in you know, a major of Gray

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<v Speaker 7>Bodley harm or dead. There was no way that cop was.

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<v Speaker 2>In any of that.

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<v Speaker 4>The cops in my onion, they.

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<v Speaker 7>Go through the academy they train for the shooting and

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<v Speaker 7>you're probably not gonna like this, but the majority of

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<v Speaker 7>them are trigger happy. They want to use that training

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<v Speaker 7>regardless of the situation that cops should be charged to murder,

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<v Speaker 7>and for the fop set back the cop and do

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<v Speaker 7>everything they can to clear him is an injustice. This

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<v Speaker 7>happens a lot. That happens, maybe not in the the

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<v Speaker 7>case of someone getting murdered, but people's rights being violated.

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<v Speaker 7>Police assaulting people, pulling people over for no reasons, in

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<v Speaker 7>lying about why they pulled over, and searching for a

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<v Speaker 7>reason to justify their detention, and then whatever comes after that, And.

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<v Speaker 1>That is one of the reasons.

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<v Speaker 4>I guess the police have.

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<v Speaker 7>The bad rep And I'm a huge conservative. I'm back

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<v Speaker 7>to good cops, but not the bad ones. And I

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<v Speaker 7>used to be that one of those people. Back to blue,

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<v Speaker 7>Back to blue until happens to you, and it happened

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<v Speaker 7>to me back in twenty nineteen.

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<v Speaker 3>Completely change my outlook on cops as I am come

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<v Speaker 3>to my house, lie, assault me, take me to jail,

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<v Speaker 3>and throw me in a cage for absolutely nothing. And

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<v Speaker 3>this until the justice system is reformed. The stuff that

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<v Speaker 3>is going to continue. You need to get rid of

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<v Speaker 3>the qualified community.

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<v Speaker 7>I know there's a bill to a petition circulating to

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<v Speaker 7>be put on the ballot coming up to.

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<v Speaker 4>In qualified muni.

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<v Speaker 7>There's five other states that done it. Colorado, for example,

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<v Speaker 7>there has been no drop in police recruiting. Everything's remain

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<v Speaker 7>the same until they get read of qualified immunity. Cops

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<v Speaker 7>have this free range to do what they want because

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<v Speaker 7>they one, they know the fops go on.

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<v Speaker 4>To back it.

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<v Speaker 7>They have assurance to cover any damage as they do,

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<v Speaker 7>and more times than not they're found not guilty and

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<v Speaker 7>they're allowed to keep their job and do the sort

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<v Speaker 7>of thing again.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I'd love to unfold there, and I suppose the

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<v Speaker 2>attorneyman he would like to swear you in for deposition

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<v Speaker 2>and go through all of the allegations you just made.

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<v Speaker 2>But I find it an absolute insult. You suggest that

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<v Speaker 2>they're all trigger happy and can't wait to use deadly force.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna throw a giant barber streisand flag on that. Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>it does happen from time to time, but you're in

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<v Speaker 2>a very stressful situation. And my sister twenty five years

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<v Speaker 2>of proud service on the CINCINNTI police force. Never had

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<v Speaker 2>to use deadly force, never wanted to. Fortunately, in spite

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<v Speaker 2>of the fact of all that she had been through,

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<v Speaker 2>spit on, beat up, punched, abused, never had to head

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<v Speaker 2>to go down that road. And the officers that I

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<v Speaker 2>know don't share your opinion of them, so you know

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<v Speaker 2>you're entitled to your opinion. Sounds like you want to

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<v Speaker 2>defund the police, So you go ahead and go down

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<v Speaker 2>that road and you can enjoy like living in a

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<v Speaker 2>city like Seattle, which has turned into a hellhole because

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<v Speaker 2>of having that attitude and generally demonizing police at large.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's see what Carl's got this morning. Karl, welcome in

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<v Speaker 2>the Morning Show. In a very happy Tuesday to you.

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<v Speaker 8>Good morning, Brian Say. I heard Christopher Smytherman on your

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<v Speaker 8>show yesterday and he was talking about how drivers are

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<v Speaker 8>having tire blowouts due to the potholes. Yeah, well, he's

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<v Speaker 8>absolutely correct, and the drivers are filing claims with the

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<v Speaker 8>city and the claims are being denied. I've got a

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<v Speaker 8>tip here. Drivers need to check the three one one

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<v Speaker 8>system before they file the claim, and they also need

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<v Speaker 8>to take a photo of the pothole. If the pothole

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<v Speaker 8>was large enough to blow a tire. Chances are that

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<v Speaker 8>it's been reported, and this happened in the neighborhood. I

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<v Speaker 8>reported those potholes for years to the city and they

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<v Speaker 8>never got filled. A driver had a blowout, and of

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<v Speaker 8>course the driver filed a claim with the city, and

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<v Speaker 8>the city denied the claim. I had to claim in

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<v Speaker 8>front of me. The city says that they had no

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<v Speaker 8>if they had no prior knowledge of the potholes, so

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<v Speaker 8>they shouldn't have to pay for it. Ohio revived Code

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<v Speaker 8>twenty seven forty four point zero five limits claims to

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<v Speaker 8>circumstances where the city had to have prior knowledge and

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<v Speaker 8>filed and failed to act within a reasonable amount of time.

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<v Speaker 8>And then the city goes on to say this decision

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<v Speaker 8>is final. My opinion is there needs to be an

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<v Speaker 8>investigation of these claims. Well, yeah, scandalus. This is ridiculous.

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<v Speaker 8>If there are any trouble TV troubleshooters out there listening

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<v Speaker 8>to the show this morning, they might want to do

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<v Speaker 8>a story on this.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a great idea, Carl, That's a great idea, because

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<v Speaker 2>I've had a couple other callers say the same thing. Actually,

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<v Speaker 2>I believe there was one of the local News reported

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<v Speaker 2>on it that all these claims get denied because the

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<v Speaker 2>city says, well, we've been there, you know, we we

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<v Speaker 2>just recently, you know, we're out on that road and

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<v Speaker 2>we fixed that pothole. Must have magically appeared in the

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<v Speaker 2>time we were there fixing the road and when you

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<v Speaker 2>had your damage done to your car. So it sounds

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<v Speaker 2>like a convenient and simplified or simple way of them

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<v Speaker 2>just denying the claim because I think the presumption is

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<v Speaker 2>on their side many many times. But if there is

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<v Speaker 2>a prior report, they were on notice and that's the

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<v Speaker 2>critical element needed to get your money back.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I liked the idea. Appreciate the calls set five forty

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<v Speaker 2>six if you have car cede talk station five fifty

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<v Speaker 2>two if you have CARSD talk station stack is stupid.

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<v Speaker 2>We got to de Ral, Florida, where a woman was

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<v Speaker 2>arrested after she allegedly condomand at one thousands of dollars

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<v Speaker 2>during a bogus tarot card reading and spiritual cleansing. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, all tarot card readings and spiritual cleansings are bogus.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm on record anyway. Cord to the rest report. Cameron

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<v Speaker 2>Valdez del Miguel sixty seven, arrested and facing charges of

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<v Speaker 2>organized scheme to defraud, grand theft, and resisting an officer

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<v Speaker 2>without violence. The con began March eleventh. The man found

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<v Speaker 2>a flyer on his car for a tarot card reading

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<v Speaker 2>and called the number mistake, spoke to the woman, the

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<v Speaker 2>report read, and agreed to a tarot card reading session

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<v Speaker 2>for twenty bucks. Two days later, the man went to

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<v Speaker 2>the apartment met Valdiz d Miguel, who reportedly referred herself

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<v Speaker 2>as Maria Rodriguez. During the reading, she told the man

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<v Speaker 2>he needed a deeper spiritual cleansing procedure. That's in quote

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<v Speaker 2>that of course costs more, uh specifically between six hundred

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<v Speaker 2>and seven hundred dollars. There's your up charge you want

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<v Speaker 2>that clear coat. Trusting her advice, the man agreed to

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<v Speaker 2>partial payment and transferred two hundred dollars through Zell. He

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<v Speaker 2>then returned to the apartment met with Valdi's de Miguel

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<v Speaker 2>again on March fourteenth for the so called spiritual cleansing

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<v Speaker 2>session he had pre paid.

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<v Speaker 1>A portion of report detailed.

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<v Speaker 2>Did Valdez de Miguel ask the man during the session

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<v Speaker 2>about his available bank balance?

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<v Speaker 1>Red flag again, and.

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<v Speaker 2>He reportedly told her he had eight thousand dollars. After

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<v Speaker 2>that response, Valdez de Miguel then allegedly asked him to

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<v Speaker 2>bring the full amount next time and assured him that

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<v Speaker 2>if she were to use the money in a ritual,

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<v Speaker 2>it would double and she would return it the same day.

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<v Speaker 2>How many red flags we got in this? One man

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<v Speaker 2>returned to the apartment with three grand in cash March nineteenth,

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<v Speaker 2>where Valdez de Miguel placed the money in a bag

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<v Speaker 2>with eggs during the ritual. The report state of the

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<v Speaker 2>bag was broken upon opening. The man claimed that it

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<v Speaker 2>was what was left inside were broken eggs and worms.

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<v Speaker 2>Man told authorities that Valdes demcval appeared to be startled

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<v Speaker 2>by what was in the bag, but when he asked

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<v Speaker 2>if for his money back, she claimed she couldn't do it.

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<v Speaker 2>Quote due to her state of mind. Close quote your ruse.

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<v Speaker 1>Your cunning attempt to trick me, Well play. John.

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<v Speaker 2>Valdez de Miguel then allegedly assured the man that his

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<v Speaker 2>money would be returned the next day. Reports import the

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<v Speaker 2>state of the man made multiple attempts to contact her

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<v Speaker 2>by following the encounter, but that she refused to return

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<v Speaker 2>the money, shocking literally no one quarter of the report.

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<v Speaker 2>She asserted that she asserted that the funds were part

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<v Speaker 2>of a ritual and could not be released until the

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<v Speaker 2>candles extinguished on their own, despite having previously assured the

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<v Speaker 2>victim that his money be returned the same day, no

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<v Speaker 2>explanation about which candles. On Monday, Valdiz demcgal taking it

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<v Speaker 2>to custody. Officers gave her the opportunity to return the money,

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<v Speaker 2>but she denied knowing the man. Report said that she

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<v Speaker 2>also resisted being taken into custody and use a fake name.

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<v Speaker 2>During the arrest, investigators also told that they had discovered

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<v Speaker 2>valdisde Miguel had three warrants in separate theft cases. Appeared

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<v Speaker 2>before a judge who set her bond at fifty five

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<v Speaker 2>hundred dollars. According to Judge Mindy Glazer in a statement, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>I had a chance to review this very interesting affidavit,

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<v Speaker 2>which also makes one realize you should never respond to

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<v Speaker 2>a flyer left on your vehicle for Tarot card readings

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<v Speaker 2>because you don't know what's going to happen, especially when

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<v Speaker 2>you're asking to bring three thousand dollars in cash put

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<v Speaker 2>the money in a bag with some eggs. This is bizarre.

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<v Speaker 2>That will be judgment y Glazer stating the obvious. Or

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<v Speaker 2>you could just not go to Tarot card readings. Hey, Sean,

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<v Speaker 2>you got twenty bucks, I'll do a Tarrort card reading

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<v Speaker 2>for you, all right? Five fifty six, fifty five Gara

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<v Speaker 2>CD talk stations stick around, play to talk about coming up,

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<v Speaker 2>or you can feel free to call it love to

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<v Speaker 2>hear from me either way. Right back after the news,

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<v Speaker 2>So five and fifty got Ter CD talk station Ryan

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<v Speaker 2>Thomas wishing everyone a very happy Tuesday, trying to make

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<v Speaker 2>it so look forward to seven oh five, the return

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<v Speaker 2>of Peter Bronson in studio incomparable author, writer and publisher.

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<v Speaker 1>He is chilidog press dot com.

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<v Speaker 2>If we want to try to get your book published,

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<v Speaker 2>he wrote the I guess, like what I guess? Joe

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<v Speaker 2>Strecker referred to it, and many did. They defendit A

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<v Speaker 2>book on the sense of Natty Riots. Tomorrow the twenty

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<v Speaker 2>first anniversary of the Cincinni Riots, and Peter wrote a

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<v Speaker 2>book about it, Behind the Lines, The Untold Story of

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<v Speaker 2>the Cincinnati Riots. We'll talk about that, his analysis, his

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<v Speaker 2>reflections on it. You know how far have we come

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<v Speaker 2>and we kind of we made improvements and also I'm

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<v Speaker 2>sure we have more to talk about. Peter's just a

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<v Speaker 2>really just brilliant and interesting guy, great conversationalist is So

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to enjoy that hour and I'm sure you

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<v Speaker 2>will too if you can hang out for it. It

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<v Speaker 2>is Tuesday, so we do the inside scoop with Bright

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<v Speaker 2>Barton News. Today, London beer chief Oliver Lane returns. He's

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<v Speaker 2>doing an empower You seminar tonight seven pm empower Youamerica

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<v Speaker 2>dot Org. I believe it is a log in from

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<v Speaker 2>home only class because think he's in London anyway. The

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<v Speaker 2>topic he'll be talking about tonight and what he'll be

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<v Speaker 2>talking about today at eight oh five what's happening in

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<v Speaker 2>Europe and what it means to us. Daniel Davis Deep

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<v Speaker 2>Dive every Tuesday at eight thirty with retired lieutenant colonel

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm sure he'll give us a thoughtful analysis an

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<v Speaker 2>update of what's going on between Russia and Ukraine. Although

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know specifically, since Strecker's not in what Daniel

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<v Speaker 2>Davis specifically wants to talk about. I'm well to roll

635
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<v Speaker 2>with the punches with Daniel. He's brilliant guy. I always

636
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<v Speaker 2>enjoyed those conversations. Care see cares today, ohc my cancer doctors,

637
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<v Speaker 2>Doctor jose Shannas, you'll be in studio talking about head

638
00:36:18.320 --> 00:36:21.679
<v Speaker 2>and neck cancer. And of course, and thank you all

639
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<v Speaker 2>the listeners for the prayers. Since I'm getting my CT

640
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<v Speaker 2>scan today, it's really hanging over my head, and honestly,

641
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<v Speaker 2>I don't expect, you know, good news, or I don't

642
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<v Speaker 2>expect like a reversal or like I'm going into remission

643
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<v Speaker 2>since the last one. But you know, I'm just hoping

644
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<v Speaker 2>my dietary changes might have had an effect. But as

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<v Speaker 2>I mentioned before, it doesn't matter. I talked about my

646
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<v Speaker 2>dietary changes and getting rid of sugar and really really

647
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<v Speaker 2>reducing my carbs, and it resulted in, you know, seventeen

648
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<v Speaker 2>pound weight loss. I'm kind of stuck at seventeen. But

649
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<v Speaker 2>I only say it out loud because you might consider

650
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<v Speaker 2>that path given RFK Junior in all the talk about

651
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<v Speaker 2>trying to improve the diet and health of America. I

652
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<v Speaker 2>just feel better. So, you know, maybe my cancer has grown,

653
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<v Speaker 2>maybe my lymph nodes are bigger. I'll have to go

654
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<v Speaker 2>maybe get more cancer treatments. From OHC. If that's the

655
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<v Speaker 2>hand that I've been dealt, that is the path that

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<v Speaker 2>I'll go down. But doesn't change the fact that it

657
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<v Speaker 2>feel better as a consequence of my dietary changes. So

658
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<v Speaker 2>if you're feeling lethargic, you have you don't have any energy,

659
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<v Speaker 2>You're always feeling run down, and you might well consider

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<v Speaker 2>what you're putting in your body.

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<v Speaker 1>Just a thought.

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<v Speaker 2>I do care, and I'm going to turn to a

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<v Speaker 2>list of friendly op ed because I think it's really

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<v Speaker 2>it made some wonderful points, and it reminded me all

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<v Speaker 2>the conversations I've had over the years with the associated

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<v Speaker 2>builders and contractors and all the great earn while you

667
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<v Speaker 2>learn trade programs that are out there, plumbers, electricians, h fact,

668
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<v Speaker 2>they're just such a huge demand and these are good

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<v Speaker 2>paying salaries. These are career opportunities. You don't need to

670
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<v Speaker 2>go to college necessary. There are college degrees that are valuable,

671
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<v Speaker 2>but there's a bunch of them that aren't worth the

672
00:38:03.920 --> 00:38:06.199
<v Speaker 2>paper that they're printed on and you end up in debt.

673
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<v Speaker 2>So with that in mind, it's one of the reasons

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<v Speaker 2>I wanted to read her off that piece today because

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<v Speaker 2>it makes some great points. So listen friendly rights. President

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<v Speaker 2>Trumps proclaims his tariffs will bring manufacturing jobs back to

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<v Speaker 2>the US. Good luck finding workers to fill them. A

678
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<v Speaker 2>common lament among employers, especially manufacturers, is they can't find reliable,

679
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<v Speaker 2>conscientious workers who can pass a drug test. Single women

680
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<v Speaker 2>might commiserate. A good worker, like a good man, can

681
00:38:35.679 --> 00:38:38.920
<v Speaker 2>be hard to find these days. That's a two way street, though,

682
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<v Speaker 2>Alyssa I will point out blame government, which showers benefits

683
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<v Speaker 2>on able bodied people who don't work, while at the

684
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<v Speaker 2>same time subsidizing college degrees that don't lead to productive employment.

685
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<v Speaker 2>The result is millions of idle men and millions of

686
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<v Speaker 2>unfilled jobs, what an economist would call a dead weight

687
00:38:56.880 --> 00:39:01.800
<v Speaker 2>loss to society. All business owners in March reported job

688
00:39:01.840 --> 00:39:07.000
<v Speaker 2>openings they couldn't fill, with larger shares in construction fifty

689
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<v Speaker 2>six percent, transportation fifty three percent, and manufacturing forty seven percent.

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<v Speaker 2>That's according to last week's National Federation of Independent Business Survey.

691
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<v Speaker 2>The Labor Department's Job Openings and Labor Turnover survey of

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<v Speaker 2>businesses tells a similar story. There are twice as many

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<v Speaker 2>job openings in manufacturing than in the mid two thousands,

694
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<v Speaker 2>as a share of employment, save for during the pandemic,

695
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<v Speaker 2>American worker shortage is the worst in fifty years. Decades ago, productivity,

696
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<v Speaker 2>enhancing technology and yes, inexpensive imports caused men who worked

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<v Speaker 2>on shop floors to lose their jobs and drop out

698
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<v Speaker 2>of the workforce. But this generation is sailing into the

699
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<v Speaker 2>sunset and there are many fewer young Americans who want

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<v Speaker 2>to work in factories. The labor force participation rate among

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<v Speaker 2>working age men is now about five points lower percentage

702
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<v Speaker 2>points lower than in the early nineteen eighties. Consequently, they

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<v Speaker 2>are about three point five million fewer men between the

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<v Speaker 2>ages of twenty five and fifty four in the workforce

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<v Speaker 2>and one point three million between the ages of twenty

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<v Speaker 2>five and thirty four then there would have been were

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<v Speaker 2>it not for this decline. Labor participation among working age women,

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<v Speaker 2>on the other hand, recently hit a record in part

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<v Speaker 2>because they are having fewer children, which is related to

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<v Speaker 2>their difficulties and finding sustainable, suitable mates, and I think

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<v Speaker 2>their unwillingness to even consider marriage, I might interject because

712
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<v Speaker 2>of career at the risk of stereotyping, women are more

713
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<v Speaker 2>inclined toward quote unquote helping professions such as services than

714
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<v Speaker 2>those that require physical labor. So where have all the

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<v Speaker 2>good working men gone? Some are subsisting on government benefits

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<v Speaker 2>or living off their parents. About seventeen percent of working

717
00:41:03.880 --> 00:41:07.719
<v Speaker 2>age men are on Medicaid, seven point four percent on

718
00:41:07.800 --> 00:41:12.639
<v Speaker 2>food stamps, six point three percent on Social Security, many

719
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<v Speaker 2>claiming disability payouts, according to the Census Bureau. Many spend

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<v Speaker 2>their days playing video games and day trading friends. And

721
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<v Speaker 2>they've seen young men on dating apps claim to be

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<v Speaker 2>working as self employed traders, financial bloggers, and even quote

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<v Speaker 2>retired financial a retired financial engineer close quote apparent euphemisms

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<v Speaker 2>for Robin hood brows. That's also quote who speculate on

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<v Speaker 2>stocks and share tips on Reddit. When stocks were booming,

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<v Speaker 2>many didn't have to work in the traditional sense. After

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<v Speaker 2>last week's plunge, they might. Other missing men are taking

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<v Speaker 2>longer to finish college or are pursuing graduate degrees. Only

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<v Speaker 2>about forty one percent of men complete a bachelor's degree

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<v Speaker 2>in four years, and about a quarter take more than six.

731
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<v Speaker 2>Reminds me of that line from Bluto and Animal House,

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<v Speaker 2>seven years of college down the drain. Many high paying

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<v Speaker 2>vocations don't require college degrees, but government subsidies and public

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<v Speaker 2>k through twelve schools. Nonetheless, steer high school students to

735
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<v Speaker 2>that track. Federal student loans won't pay for apprenticeships, but

736
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<v Speaker 2>they will cover the cost, including living expenses, of worthless

737
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<v Speaker 2>graduate degrees in community organizing, creative writing, tourism, dance, and more.

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<v Speaker 2>Rarely does one need an advanced degree to enter such fields,

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<v Speaker 2>but colleges have convinced Americans that they do as a

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<v Speaker 2>means of raking in more federal dollars. Many millennials and

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<v Speaker 2>Gen z Zoomers struggle to find jobs in their chosen

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<v Speaker 2>fields of study and don't want to work in others

743
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<v Speaker 2>or in jobs they view as beneath them, so some

744
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<v Speaker 2>simply don't work. Consider the unemployment rate among recent college

745
00:43:02.039 --> 00:43:06.280
<v Speaker 2>grads with a sociology degree is six point seven percent,

746
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<v Speaker 2>and their median wage is forty five thousand dollars a

747
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<v Speaker 2>cord to the New York Federal Reserve Bank, sociology grads

748
00:43:14.079 --> 00:43:17.199
<v Speaker 2>could earn twice as much working on an auto assembly line,

749
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<v Speaker 2>which pays on average one hundred thousand dollars a year.

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<v Speaker 2>Good gig, but not many wanted. The reality is that

751
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<v Speaker 2>masses of young people who have been taught that capitalism

752
00:43:29.559 --> 00:43:32.400
<v Speaker 2>is exploitative, don't want to work in factories. They'd rather

753
00:43:32.480 --> 00:43:35.719
<v Speaker 2>mooch off taxpayers or their parents. Still, many men who

754
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<v Speaker 2>don't go to college also don't want to work in

755
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<v Speaker 2>factories or other blue collar occupations, perhaps because they don't

756
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<v Speaker 2>believe there's dignity in such jobs. Only thirty one percent

757
00:43:45.719 --> 00:43:47.760
<v Speaker 2>of blue collar workers feel that their type of work

758
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<v Speaker 2>is respected, according to a Pew Research Center survey that

759
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<v Speaker 2>came out last week. Any wonder when politicians and both

760
00:43:54.360 --> 00:44:01.159
<v Speaker 2>parties proclaim such workers are exploited. There's dignity in any work,

761
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<v Speaker 2>a message that deserves to be emphasized by the President

762
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<v Speaker 2>and i'd say all elected officials. The client and work

763
00:44:09.360 --> 00:44:12.039
<v Speaker 2>among young men is a far bigger problem for the

764
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<v Speaker 2>nation's economic and cultural vitality than the decline in manufacturing jobs,

765
00:44:17.760 --> 00:44:21.880
<v Speaker 2>and it can't and won't be solved with tariffs. That

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<v Speaker 2>thinks she makes some great points. You know I'm on record.

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<v Speaker 2>You know I've I mentioned many times. I think of

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<v Speaker 2>the garbage collectors that come and take away my garbage,

769
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<v Speaker 2>and God bless each and every one of you, hard working,

770
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<v Speaker 2>mostly men, although I'm sure there are some female garbage collectors.

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<v Speaker 2>I have a tremendous amount of respect for those folks

772
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<v Speaker 2>getting up and going out every day for a job

773
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<v Speaker 2>that so many people are willing to demean.

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<v Speaker 1>What do you want to be a gavage collector? Yeah,

775
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<v Speaker 1>how about it?

776
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<v Speaker 2>You can make a decent wage something society desperately needs,

777
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<v Speaker 2>because what would the place look like without them working

778
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<v Speaker 2>every day? And the same thing goes across the board.

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<v Speaker 2>I've always been very critical of people say that, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>you went fries with that demean folks that choose to

781
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<v Speaker 2>work in fast food. That was the original first job

782
00:45:03.679 --> 00:45:06.360
<v Speaker 2>for most high school kids. Not that I think it

783
00:45:06.360 --> 00:45:09.159
<v Speaker 2>should be your permanent life job, but you know, you

784
00:45:09.199 --> 00:45:11.400
<v Speaker 2>can work up and be a manager of one of

785
00:45:11.440 --> 00:45:14.039
<v Speaker 2>those and make a decent, respectable career out of it.

786
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<v Speaker 2>Work is its own reward, and we should be supportive

787
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<v Speaker 2>of people who are willing to get up every day

788
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<v Speaker 2>and go do some hard work. And you know that

789
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<v Speaker 2>that term the jobs Americans won't do that is such

790
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<v Speaker 2>a disgusting concept. What do you mean the jobs Americans

791
00:45:33.880 --> 00:45:37.039
<v Speaker 2>won't do well because you're from some different country that

792
00:45:37.159 --> 00:45:40.760
<v Speaker 2>makes that job? Here, you take that job. We're Americans,

793
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<v Speaker 2>We're not going to do it. Where did that attitude

794
00:45:44.000 --> 00:45:47.840
<v Speaker 2>come from whatever happened to the American work ethic? What

795
00:45:47.880 --> 00:45:50.559
<v Speaker 2>are happened at being respectable? And you know saying, listen,

796
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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to go out and find employment rather than

797
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<v Speaker 2>get on the public doll because I'm not going to

798
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<v Speaker 2>move off my fellow man when I'm capable. That's why

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<v Speaker 2>I appreciate the work require. If you're going to get

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<v Speaker 2>on snap benefits, at least put twenty hours a week

801
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<v Speaker 2>in with some free job training. And that applies to

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00:46:10.000 --> 00:46:12.639
<v Speaker 2>people who are able by it. If you're disabled, that's

803
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<v Speaker 2>a different story. It's a different analysis and should be

804
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<v Speaker 2>a different set of factors that applies to it. But

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<v Speaker 2>if you're twenty five years old, you are capable, you're

806
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<v Speaker 2>physically able, you're able to get up out of bed

807
00:46:21.880 --> 00:46:24.320
<v Speaker 2>in the morning rather than watching video games. Why not

808
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<v Speaker 2>take advantage of a career opportunity. Get one of these

809
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<v Speaker 2>union programs, or you can be an apprentice and make

810
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<v Speaker 2>money while you learn a trade, and then you can

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<v Speaker 2>become free and independent, pay taxes and then complain about

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<v Speaker 2>the taxes you're paying because oh, look, you're promoting fruit

813
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<v Speaker 2>juice in Africa or something. I got some interesting dogs

814
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<v Speaker 2>figures that have come out. They further reflect the insanity

815
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<v Speaker 2>of where your taxpayer dollars are going. Join in the fund,

816
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<v Speaker 2>learn to complain about the American taxpayers dollars being misspent

817
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<v Speaker 2>by corrupt government officials. But unless you're work and paying

818
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<v Speaker 2>taxes into the federal system or state systems best, you

819
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<v Speaker 2>don't have any incentive to complain about it or care

820
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<v Speaker 2>about it. You may feel differently, You can feel free

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<v Speaker 2>to call in the meantime six twenty two if you

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<v Speaker 2>have care City talk station, Happy Tuesdays, all right, speaking

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<v Speaker 2>of paying taxes and being upset and what your money's

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<v Speaker 2>going to be spent on, and everyone should be. This

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<v Speaker 2>is why I appreciate what the Department of Government Efficiency

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<v Speaker 2>is doing in spite of the screening, whaling and gnashing

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<v Speaker 2>of teeth on a bunch of people who don't appreciate

828
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<v Speaker 2>the fact that our money is being wasted and colossally so.

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<v Speaker 2>Box nineteen provided the info on this one. Apparently the

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<v Speaker 2>Department of Government Efficiency announced fifty one and I know

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<v Speaker 2>it's million dollars.

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<v Speaker 1>I know it's a paltry amount.

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<v Speaker 2>But this is just an accumulated sum over time, every

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<v Speaker 2>little dollar every year, if you mind the pennies of

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<v Speaker 2>dollars mind themselves. Well, if you mind the millions, the

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<v Speaker 2>billions end up mining themselves. So let's start with fifty

837
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<v Speaker 2>one million dollars in cuts to something called the US

838
00:48:00.039 --> 00:48:07.840
<v Speaker 2>African Development Foundation, an announcement on X here's what they

839
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<v Speaker 2>told us about and these were canceled. So two just

840
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<v Speaker 2>under twourre and thirty thousand dollars used to market one

841
00:48:15.440 --> 00:48:23.239
<v Speaker 2>hundred percent organic shade butter in Burkina Fasso, Just under

842
00:48:23.239 --> 00:48:28.079
<v Speaker 2>twohundred and fifty thousand dollars spent on mango drying facilities

843
00:48:28.119 --> 00:48:32.920
<v Speaker 2>in the Ivory Coast. Just under two and forty thousand

844
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<v Speaker 2>dollars spent on marketing pineapple juice in benin African Country

845
00:48:39.960 --> 00:48:44.039
<v Speaker 2>or African Countries and Cities. Department also said about one

846
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<v Speaker 2>hundred thousand dollars spent to increase yogurt production in Uganda,

847
00:48:50.679 --> 00:48:53.440
<v Speaker 2>just about eighty five thousand dollars spent on a business

848
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<v Speaker 2>incubator for SPA and wellness entrepreneurs, and of all places

849
00:48:58.440 --> 00:49:04.639
<v Speaker 2>in Nigeria, fifty grand spent to train farmers on how

850
00:49:04.639 --> 00:49:11.239
<v Speaker 2>to grow dragon fruit in Senegal, and forty eight little

851
00:49:11.239 --> 00:49:14.119
<v Speaker 2>over forty eight thousand dollars spent on a What's App

852
00:49:14.280 --> 00:49:25.079
<v Speaker 2>marketing chatbot in Kenya last month, THOUGHS previously shared that

853
00:49:25.119 --> 00:49:28.039
<v Speaker 2>it determined one hundred and thirteen contracts valued at four

854
00:49:28.079 --> 00:49:32.000
<v Speaker 2>point seven billion dollars, including a US Department of Agriculture

855
00:49:32.159 --> 00:49:35.079
<v Speaker 2>consulting contract valued at one hundred and forty five thousand

856
00:49:35.079 --> 00:49:39.760
<v Speaker 2>dollars for PERU climate change activities.

857
00:49:42.679 --> 00:49:43.079
<v Speaker 1>Funding.

858
00:49:43.119 --> 00:49:46.360
<v Speaker 2>Canceled also included ten million dollars for gender equity in

859
00:49:46.400 --> 00:49:51.559
<v Speaker 2>the Mexican workplace twelve point two million for worker empowerment

860
00:49:51.639 --> 00:49:55.199
<v Speaker 2>in South America. That would cracked me up too, because

861
00:49:55.440 --> 00:49:59.119
<v Speaker 2>South America is a continent, and I could quickly find

862
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<v Speaker 2>the figure with a quick search engine search. But I'm

863
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<v Speaker 2>gonna say, there's millions and millions and millions of people

864
00:50:03.840 --> 00:50:07.639
<v Speaker 2>in South America. Twelve point two million for worker empowerment

865
00:50:08.079 --> 00:50:10.880
<v Speaker 2>in South America. How far do you think that money

866
00:50:10.920 --> 00:50:16.119
<v Speaker 2>actually goes? And how much worker empowerment can you bring

867
00:50:16.159 --> 00:50:19.119
<v Speaker 2>about in South America with twelve point two million dollars

868
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<v Speaker 2>Considering it's a continent full of people. You know, there's

869
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<v Speaker 2>some lucky so and so down there that's now sitting

870
00:50:26.239 --> 00:50:29.679
<v Speaker 2>on twelve point two million dollars. Actually this was canceled thankfully,

871
00:50:29.840 --> 00:50:31.800
<v Speaker 2>but would have been sitting on twelve point two million

872
00:50:31.840 --> 00:50:34.800
<v Speaker 2>dollars in his or her bank account because I don't

873
00:50:34.840 --> 00:50:37.599
<v Speaker 2>know their friends with somebody connected with the United States government,

874
00:50:38.280 --> 00:50:40.679
<v Speaker 2>and probably a share of that money would have been

875
00:50:41.000 --> 00:50:45.199
<v Speaker 2>kicked back to someone here in the United States, probably

876
00:50:45.199 --> 00:50:47.840
<v Speaker 2>in the greater Washington, DC area, to fund some sort

877
00:50:47.880 --> 00:50:50.559
<v Speaker 2>of political organization or otherwise land in the pocket of

878
00:50:50.639 --> 00:50:52.920
<v Speaker 2>some politician. Do I know this for a fact? No,

879
00:50:53.000 --> 00:50:57.079
<v Speaker 2>not yet, but wait for it. If you give them

880
00:50:57.199 --> 00:51:04.559
<v Speaker 2>enough time, maybe they'll follow the money. And somebody's screaming

881
00:51:04.599 --> 00:51:06.880
<v Speaker 2>out in the park on Saturday justifying all of this

882
00:51:07.000 --> 00:51:09.800
<v Speaker 2>and saying none of this should be cut because Elon

883
00:51:09.920 --> 00:51:12.920
<v Speaker 2>Musk is evil, and about fifty five percent of left

884
00:51:12.920 --> 00:51:14.960
<v Speaker 2>to say that he should be killed, or at least

885
00:51:15.039 --> 00:51:19.400
<v Speaker 2>lean toward the notion that he should be murdered, according

886
00:51:19.400 --> 00:51:22.440
<v Speaker 2>to that study that I started the morning show out with. Yeah,

887
00:51:22.440 --> 00:51:25.440
<v Speaker 2>because of this, Eric, hang on, if you don't mind

888
00:51:25.559 --> 00:51:27.239
<v Speaker 2>out of time in this segment, I'd love to hear

889
00:51:27.239 --> 00:51:27.559
<v Speaker 2>from you.

890
00:51:27.599 --> 00:51:29.239
<v Speaker 1>And if you don't mind holding for a moment.

891
00:51:32.320 --> 00:51:34.800
<v Speaker 2>It is just I six thirty two fifty five krc

892
00:51:34.880 --> 00:51:37.599
<v Speaker 2>DE talk station go straight to the phones. I promised Eric,

893
00:51:37.599 --> 00:51:39.719
<v Speaker 2>I take his call right out of the gate and

894
00:51:39.760 --> 00:51:41.920
<v Speaker 2>fulfilling my promise. Eric, thanks for holding over the break

895
00:51:41.960 --> 00:51:43.159
<v Speaker 2>of Welcome to the Morning Show.

896
00:51:44.239 --> 00:51:47.360
<v Speaker 6>Marian Brian, just out here on my way to work

897
00:51:47.440 --> 00:51:50.480
<v Speaker 6>so I can keep paying taxes and wonder where they're all.

898
00:51:50.480 --> 00:51:54.239
<v Speaker 1>Going mango dehydration in Africa.

899
00:51:54.760 --> 00:51:57.719
<v Speaker 6>There that I want to take just a bit of exception.

900
00:51:57.800 --> 00:52:01.920
<v Speaker 6>I really do wish we would stop talking about poultry

901
00:52:02.559 --> 00:52:05.440
<v Speaker 6>thumbs of millions of dollars, because I would love to

902
00:52:05.440 --> 00:52:07.599
<v Speaker 6>have a poultry sum in my bank account. I don't

903
00:52:07.599 --> 00:52:08.480
<v Speaker 6>know about you.

904
00:52:08.480 --> 00:52:12.079
<v Speaker 2>You're not politically connected, Eric, You're not. You're not part

905
00:52:12.119 --> 00:52:12.960
<v Speaker 2>of this system.

906
00:52:13.320 --> 00:52:16.559
<v Speaker 6>You need to work for some n g O name

907
00:52:16.960 --> 00:52:19.880
<v Speaker 6>isn't Soros or Biden? What the heck are you talking about?

908
00:52:19.960 --> 00:52:20.079
<v Speaker 4>Right?

909
00:52:20.280 --> 00:52:23.360
<v Speaker 2>Well, their money, their money does trickle down to uh,

910
00:52:23.440 --> 00:52:25.519
<v Speaker 2>those that are well connected, you know.

911
00:52:25.719 --> 00:52:27.559
<v Speaker 6>I mean you mean, you mean the people that were

912
00:52:27.559 --> 00:52:29.280
<v Speaker 6>in the park screaming and shouting.

913
00:52:29.440 --> 00:52:32.000
<v Speaker 2>Sorry anyway, well, one hundred dollars, one hundred dollars a

914
00:52:32.000 --> 00:52:34.039
<v Speaker 2>trip or whatever. You know, if you if you're not

915
00:52:34.239 --> 00:52:36.400
<v Speaker 2>working for a living and someone's willing to hand you

916
00:52:36.440 --> 00:52:38.400
<v Speaker 2>one hundred dollars for a couple hours of labor, I

917
00:52:38.400 --> 00:52:39.639
<v Speaker 2>suspect you might take it.

918
00:52:40.639 --> 00:52:41.400
<v Speaker 6>What's my labor?

919
00:52:41.480 --> 00:52:43.800
<v Speaker 1>Go out and scream, Okay, I got it. There you are.

920
00:52:44.159 --> 00:52:46.639
<v Speaker 2>Everyone has that skill set. You don't need a four

921
00:52:46.719 --> 00:52:49.760
<v Speaker 2>year college degree to yell, although there are a lot

922
00:52:49.800 --> 00:52:51.800
<v Speaker 2>of people that go to college for four years maybe

923
00:52:51.840 --> 00:52:55.880
<v Speaker 2>six years to learn how to yell and protest. I

924
00:52:56.079 --> 00:53:05.039
<v Speaker 2>have a great day for calling brother. There's so much

925
00:53:05.079 --> 00:53:09.880
<v Speaker 2>truth in comedy, isn't there? All right, let's get a

926
00:53:09.920 --> 00:53:12.920
<v Speaker 2>local story in here. Man accused letting his dogs attack

927
00:53:13.000 --> 00:53:15.960
<v Speaker 2>since a police officers and indicted by a grand jury yesterday,

928
00:53:16.000 --> 00:53:18.639
<v Speaker 2>Hamilton County Prosecutor's officer said twenty six year old Daryl

929
00:53:18.679 --> 00:53:23.000
<v Speaker 2>stoweres indicted on one felonious assault charge, as well as

930
00:53:23.000 --> 00:53:27.239
<v Speaker 2>two additional misdemeanor charges of assault and resisting arrest. According

931
00:53:27.280 --> 00:53:29.159
<v Speaker 2>to police, March twenty ninth, they showed up be at

932
00:53:29.159 --> 00:53:31.320
<v Speaker 2>one hundred Craft Street one o'clock in the morning after

933
00:53:31.360 --> 00:53:35.320
<v Speaker 2>reports that someone had fired shots. When police got there,

934
00:53:35.320 --> 00:53:37.639
<v Speaker 2>a woman told them that Stowers had hit her with

935
00:53:37.840 --> 00:53:39.880
<v Speaker 2>a gun and during an argument over an issue in

936
00:53:39.880 --> 00:53:43.039
<v Speaker 2>the neighborhood. Police say the woman had injuries to her

937
00:53:43.079 --> 00:53:47.239
<v Speaker 2>ear When police officers attempted to arrest Stowers. They said

938
00:53:47.239 --> 00:53:49.800
<v Speaker 2>he ran into his house and then released three of

939
00:53:49.880 --> 00:53:56.440
<v Speaker 2>his dogs. According to the reporting, Stowers did this intentionally

940
00:53:57.679 --> 00:53:59.880
<v Speaker 2>so that the dogs would attack the police officers. Since

941
00:54:00.079 --> 00:54:02.519
<v Speaker 2>police say one of the authors managed to tackle Stowers

942
00:54:02.559 --> 00:54:04.440
<v Speaker 2>got bit on the calf by one of the dogs,

943
00:54:04.480 --> 00:54:06.599
<v Speaker 2>he remains in the Hamilton County Detention Center in a

944
00:54:06.599 --> 00:54:12.320
<v Speaker 2>twenty five thousand dollars bond must not have been in

945
00:54:12.320 --> 00:54:16.719
<v Speaker 2>front of Judge Silverstein. Man who was found dead along

946
00:54:16.719 --> 00:54:20.079
<v Speaker 2>the riverbank and Butler said, According to the spokesperson for

947
00:54:20.119 --> 00:54:24.159
<v Speaker 2>the Pendal County Emergency Management, Rob Broun, Man found Monday

948
00:54:24.320 --> 00:54:27.679
<v Speaker 2>four pm at the end of Maider Street near Butler Bridge.

949
00:54:27.800 --> 00:54:29.920
<v Speaker 2>Kentucky State Police said they received a call about a

950
00:54:29.920 --> 00:54:32.880
<v Speaker 2>possible drowning after someone reported seeing a body wearing a

951
00:54:32.920 --> 00:54:37.559
<v Speaker 2>life jacket in floodwaters. Pendleton County Search and Rescue team

952
00:54:37.559 --> 00:54:39.960
<v Speaker 2>recovered the body of sixty six year old Robert Singleton

953
00:54:40.079 --> 00:54:44.400
<v Speaker 2>from Butler. Officials also found Singleton's canoe and what they

954
00:54:44.400 --> 00:54:47.360
<v Speaker 2>believe is his truck. According to bron Singleton was a

955
00:54:47.360 --> 00:54:50.559
<v Speaker 2>member of the Lions Club and a lifelong environmentalist, and

956
00:54:50.599 --> 00:54:52.480
<v Speaker 2>a quote he said he had a heart for making

957
00:54:52.519 --> 00:54:56.199
<v Speaker 2>Pendleton County. Look good, Butler one of two cities in

958
00:54:56.239 --> 00:54:59.559
<v Speaker 2>Penalton County that had a mandatory evacuation order lifted yesterday.

959
00:54:59.639 --> 00:55:02.719
<v Speaker 2>Resident must show proof of residence before they're allowed to

960
00:55:02.719 --> 00:55:06.840
<v Speaker 2>re enter the city limits, according to officials. A five

961
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<v Speaker 2>on three seven four fifty five hundred eight hundred two

962
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<v Speaker 2>three talk another number I'll give you for Zimmer Heating

963
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964
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<v Speaker 2>they are to repair your HVAC system.

965
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<v Speaker 1>Service it.

966
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<v Speaker 2>You can get on a service plan with Zimmer to

967
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<v Speaker 2>keep that thing running for a lot longer than it

968
00:55:21.039 --> 00:55:23.320
<v Speaker 2>would otherwise. But if it's time for you to get

969
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<v Speaker 2>a new system, you can save up to fifteen hundred

970
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<v Speaker 2>and fifty dollars on a new carrier comfort system.

971
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<v Speaker 1>It's a forty on a Tuesday.

972
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<v Speaker 2>Looking forward to the period after the Top of the

973
00:55:34.880 --> 00:55:37.239
<v Speaker 2>Air News Full Hour with Peter Bronson in studio. You

974
00:55:37.360 --> 00:55:40.280
<v Speaker 2>are the twenty fourth anniversary of the Cincinnati Riots, who

975
00:55:40.280 --> 00:55:42.159
<v Speaker 2>wrote a book about it, Behind the Lines, The Untold

976
00:55:42.199 --> 00:55:44.800
<v Speaker 2>Story of the Cincinnati Riots. And I'm sure Peter and

977
00:55:44.840 --> 00:55:47.199
<v Speaker 2>I will have much more to talk about beyond that.

978
00:55:47.280 --> 00:55:49.800
<v Speaker 2>But great man, he is very interesting and I'm sure

979
00:55:49.800 --> 00:55:52.840
<v Speaker 2>you'll enjoy the conversation. Let us jump over to the

980
00:55:52.880 --> 00:55:54.920
<v Speaker 2>phone before I move on. Mike's on the line five

981
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<v Speaker 2>on three seven four nine fifty five hundred eight hundred

982
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<v Speaker 2>eight two three talk Mike, thanks for calling this morning.

983
00:55:58.840 --> 00:55:59.599
<v Speaker 1>Welcome to the show.

984
00:56:00.800 --> 00:56:01.360
<v Speaker 8>A Brian.

985
00:56:01.880 --> 00:56:04.920
<v Speaker 9>I've called about the flooding and way the news is

986
00:56:04.920 --> 00:56:07.639
<v Speaker 9>covering it like it's that river, like the Ohio River's

987
00:56:07.679 --> 00:56:11.840
<v Speaker 9>never flooded before. It's like, this is like the weather.

988
00:56:11.920 --> 00:56:14.039
<v Speaker 9>You're like, oh, this is horrible. I'm like it floods

989
00:56:14.039 --> 00:56:17.039
<v Speaker 9>at least every two or three years. We get the

990
00:56:17.079 --> 00:56:18.239
<v Speaker 9>baths of flooding.

991
00:56:17.920 --> 00:56:22.039
<v Speaker 2>Down there, sometimes more than others. And this is a pretty.

992
00:56:21.760 --> 00:56:24.039
<v Speaker 9>Substantial happened probably about ten years or so.

993
00:56:24.360 --> 00:56:27.159
<v Speaker 1>Right right now, I saw a new Richmond, which.

994
00:56:27.719 --> 00:56:30.159
<v Speaker 9>We'll probably get three or four years of flooding because

995
00:56:30.159 --> 00:56:32.039
<v Speaker 9>it's the reciprocal cycle.

996
00:56:32.719 --> 00:56:35.880
<v Speaker 2>So yeah, there is a cycle, and that's why we have,

997
00:56:36.119 --> 00:56:38.679
<v Speaker 2>you know, one hundred year floods and five hundred year floods,

998
00:56:38.679 --> 00:56:41.519
<v Speaker 2>and yeah, we we all know the weather changes and

999
00:56:41.599 --> 00:56:44.400
<v Speaker 2>it's an ever changing reality, which is one of the

1000
00:56:44.440 --> 00:56:46.519
<v Speaker 2>reasons why I don't believe that you, you and I

1001
00:56:46.559 --> 00:56:50.840
<v Speaker 2>are responsible for this moment in times flooding as opposed

1002
00:56:50.880 --> 00:56:53.199
<v Speaker 2>to all of the other multitude of times the Ohio

1003
00:56:53.280 --> 00:56:56.480
<v Speaker 2>River has gone over its banks. That doesn't mean that

1004
00:56:56.519 --> 00:56:58.679
<v Speaker 2>I'm not feeling sorry for a lot of the neighborhoods

1005
00:56:58.679 --> 00:57:01.199
<v Speaker 2>who are underwater right now. I saw New Richmond hasn't

1006
00:57:01.199 --> 00:57:04.480
<v Speaker 2>seen it this high since well the last ten years.

1007
00:57:04.559 --> 00:57:07.320
<v Speaker 2>But if I know anybody who's been done in New Richmond,

1008
00:57:07.320 --> 00:57:09.719
<v Speaker 2>they have that flood gauge, that big tower that sticks

1009
00:57:09.760 --> 00:57:12.280
<v Speaker 2>up out of the water, and you can see where

1010
00:57:12.280 --> 00:57:17.159
<v Speaker 2>the highest flood was, and it's you know, if you

1011
00:57:17.199 --> 00:57:22.760
<v Speaker 2>sit there and you contemplate how much water has to

1012
00:57:22.840 --> 00:57:26.199
<v Speaker 2>accumulate to get up that high. You know, both sides

1013
00:57:26.199 --> 00:57:27.920
<v Speaker 2>of the river are going up, and it's filling and

1014
00:57:27.920 --> 00:57:31.800
<v Speaker 2>filling trillions and trillions of additional gallons of water, and

1015
00:57:31.840 --> 00:57:34.679
<v Speaker 2>it's like, oh my lord. Now, I guess some of

1016
00:57:34.719 --> 00:57:37.039
<v Speaker 2>that might have happened before we had locks and floodgates

1017
00:57:37.039 --> 00:57:37.719
<v Speaker 2>and the like, but.

1018
00:57:39.079 --> 00:57:41.840
<v Speaker 1>Geez, it's just it's it's crazy.

1019
00:57:42.960 --> 00:57:45.400
<v Speaker 2>But thoughts in prayers out to everybody who's dealing with that,

1020
00:57:45.920 --> 00:57:48.679
<v Speaker 2>and again, to the extent you want to charitably contribute

1021
00:57:48.719 --> 00:57:51.440
<v Speaker 2>and to help people out in need, whether it's these floods,

1022
00:57:51.440 --> 00:57:53.840
<v Speaker 2>the floods that we're experiencing elsewhere in the United States,

1023
00:57:54.079 --> 00:57:56.039
<v Speaker 2>a lot of people out there could use some assistance,

1024
00:57:56.119 --> 00:57:58.320
<v Speaker 2>and I will, as I always do, put a shout

1025
00:57:58.320 --> 00:58:01.000
<v Speaker 2>out to Matthew twenty five Ministries, not because I'm a

1026
00:58:01.039 --> 00:58:03.519
<v Speaker 2>member of what they do or anything, but if you

1027
00:58:03.599 --> 00:58:07.599
<v Speaker 2>want a donation dollar to go to those in need,

1028
00:58:07.960 --> 00:58:10.400
<v Speaker 2>then you give it to Matthew twenty five Ministries because

1029
00:58:10.440 --> 00:58:14.519
<v Speaker 2>a buck given is a buck moved over to the need.

1030
00:58:14.719 --> 00:58:17.760
<v Speaker 2>They don't have any overhead or minimalist overhead. It's a

1031
00:58:17.800 --> 00:58:19.440
<v Speaker 2>lot of volunteers working there.

1032
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<v Speaker 4>You know.

1033
00:58:19.800 --> 00:58:22.079
<v Speaker 2>I always like to pick on a United Way because

1034
00:58:22.119 --> 00:58:25.719
<v Speaker 2>they have a massive overhead, paid salaries, paid position. So

1035
00:58:26.039 --> 00:58:29.199
<v Speaker 2>I don't know what the return on your charitable investment

1036
00:58:29.239 --> 00:58:32.639
<v Speaker 2>is when it goes there or other organizations. Not to

1037
00:58:32.679 --> 00:58:35.519
<v Speaker 2>be critical that they're saying they're not helping people, but

1038
00:58:36.559 --> 00:58:40.119
<v Speaker 2>the bang for the buck, from what I've learned over

1039
00:58:40.159 --> 00:58:42.480
<v Speaker 2>the years, Matthew twenty five is the place to go.

1040
00:58:42.599 --> 00:58:44.280
<v Speaker 2>So I haven't been to their website to know if

1041
00:58:44.280 --> 00:58:47.599
<v Speaker 2>they're you know, gathering money, resources, donations and the like

1042
00:58:47.679 --> 00:58:52.079
<v Speaker 2>for flood victims here and elsewhere, but clearly we have

1043
00:58:52.199 --> 00:58:53.880
<v Speaker 2>been inundated of late.

1044
00:58:54.840 --> 00:59:02.079
<v Speaker 1>Let's see, but a bum oh, just real quick here.

1045
00:59:02.639 --> 00:59:04.760
<v Speaker 2>The House is apparently going to be They had some

1046
00:59:05.199 --> 00:59:09.159
<v Speaker 2>hold up, some disagreements in the House representatives. Houses poised

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<v Speaker 2>to vote this week on the Safeguarding American voter eligibility,

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<v Speaker 2>the SAVE Act. That's one sponsored by Representative Chip Roy

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<v Speaker 2>at Texas, which requires proof of citizenship in the voter

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<v Speaker 2>registration process. Other bills being advanced the No Rogue Rulings

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<v Speaker 2>Act by a Representative darryl Isa, he's the primary sponsor,

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<v Speaker 2>which will limit district judges ability to issue orders blocking

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<v Speaker 2>policies nationwide. That's been a problem that's been percolating around

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<v Speaker 2>for a very long time. You get one district court

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<v Speaker 2>judge in one district that imposes an injunction that takes

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<v Speaker 2>effect nationwide, and some believe that is something that is

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<v Speaker 2>beyond what the jurisdiction of one district court could be.

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<v Speaker 2>Both were expected to get a vote last week, but

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<v Speaker 2>there was some sort of standoff in the House over

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<v Speaker 2>a procedural thing. But they've got that ironed out, so

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<v Speaker 2>we'll find out if there's Republican unity as it relates

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<v Speaker 2>to these two. That means the House will vote on it,

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<v Speaker 2>but then it goes to the Senate, where you've got

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<v Speaker 2>a bit of an uphill challenge there because it requires

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<v Speaker 2>sixty votes. Six forty five fifty five KRSD talk station imaging.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to get affordable imaging today right after the

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<v Speaker 2>show has six fifty one a fifty five KRSD talk station.

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<v Speaker 2>A very happy Tuesday, pay extra special for me. I

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<v Speaker 2>love talking with Peter Bronson. He'll be in studio in

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<v Speaker 2>the next hour. Uh, just going over the aftermath of

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<v Speaker 2>the April ninth anniverts, the anniversary of since any riots.

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<v Speaker 2>So a lot happened then and a lot has gone

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<v Speaker 2>on since then. So we'll see if what Peter's impression

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<v Speaker 2>is of the then versus now. Also, I'm sure we'll

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<v Speaker 2>go over other topics with Peter. Anyway, Supreme Court handed

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<v Speaker 2>down an aureo, say five to four. A lot of

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<v Speaker 2>squeaker decisions around there, but they lifted the judges order

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<v Speaker 2>that prevented the deportation of suspected Venezuelan gang members to

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<v Speaker 2>that SALVADORI in prison, allowing the Trump administration request expedited

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<v Speaker 2>removals under the eighteenth century law Alien Enemies Act, but

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<v Speaker 2>due process is required. The Court said that detainees were

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<v Speaker 2>entitled to notice that they were being removed under the

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<v Speaker 2>Alien Enemies Act, as well as an opportunity to challenge

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<v Speaker 2>a deportation before a federal judge in Texas near the

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<v Speaker 2>immigration lockup where they've been held, as opposed to shipping

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<v Speaker 2>them off to some choice jurisdiction at the Aco.

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<v Speaker 1>You would run. Now that covers the basis is it

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<v Speaker 1>lawful to assert the Alien Enemies Act? Apparently five to

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<v Speaker 1>four says yes. But the Constitution requires some due process.

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<v Speaker 1>You can't just say.

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<v Speaker 2>Someone is an illegal member of a gang without giving

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<v Speaker 2>them an opportunity to be heard in court. That's really

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<v Speaker 2>the point that Judge Dapolitanum made last week and got

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<v Speaker 2>so many people really angry. It's like, oh, but you know,

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<v Speaker 2>we do have a constitution. So the court's order required

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<v Speaker 2>more than the government provided the Venezuelans. On March fifteenth,

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<v Speaker 2>that's the day they published Trump's proclamation invoking the Act

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<v Speaker 2>and then immediately began flying some of those migrants to

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<v Speaker 2>El Salvador's Terrorism confinement Center. Migrants were not told their

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<v Speaker 2>destination or given an opportunity to seek legal assistance before

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<v Speaker 2>being taken to l Salvador. Majority will be Chief Justice

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<v Speaker 2>John Roberts, Clarence Thomas, Samlito, Neil Gorsich, and Brett Kavanaugh

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<v Speaker 2>strussed that the only issue was the place in legal

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<v Speaker 2>avenue for migrants to challenge their enemy's act removal through

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<v Speaker 2>the constitutional process of habeas corpus in the district where

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<v Speaker 2>they have been held, rather than in Washington, where the ACLU,

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<v Speaker 2>representing a group of Venezuelans, filed the lawsuit. The majority

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<v Speaker 2>said that for all the rhetoric of the descents, its

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<v Speaker 2>decision was a technical one. Detainees, in their words, are

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<v Speaker 2>entitled to notice and an opportunity to challenge the removal.

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<v Speaker 2>The only question is well which court to resolve the

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<v Speaker 2>challenge an ACLU turney representing the migrants. So the ruling

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<v Speaker 2>means we will need to start the court process over

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<v Speaker 2>again at a different venue. But the critical point is

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<v Speaker 2>that the Supreme Court said individual individuals must be given

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<v Speaker 2>due process to challenge the removal under the Alien Enemies Act.

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<v Speaker 1>That's a huge victory.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, it's also and you know, my estimation merely supporting

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<v Speaker 2>the constitutional reality. You can't just go to someone's house,

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<v Speaker 2>grab them, put them on a plane and send them

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<v Speaker 2>out of the country. As bad as these people may

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<v Speaker 2>ultimately be, if they're that bad, you can prove in

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<v Speaker 2>the court of law. I think that's important. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>that'd be your little well libertarian in me defending the

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<v Speaker 2>Constitution everything that it says and stands for in spite

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<v Speaker 2>of the stumbling blocks it quite often places. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>political expedience isn't exactly the greatest thing, and that's how

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<v Speaker 2>you end up with imperial presidencies. When you have a

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<v Speaker 2>do nothing Congress that refuses to act, you end up

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<v Speaker 2>with presidents who pull out their phone and their pen.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you, Barack Obama for setting the president and go

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<v Speaker 2>ahead and do what they want. This particular case, Donald

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<v Speaker 2>Trump pulled out his pen said Alien Enemies Act applies.

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<v Speaker 2>Was that okay according to the Supreme Court. Yeah, but

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<v Speaker 2>it doesn't eviscerate or eradicate the due process that the

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<v Speaker 2>Constitution requires and calls for. So I think I call

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<v Speaker 2>this basically an overall win. So let them argue in court,

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<v Speaker 2>and then, if I was a betting man, watch them

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<v Speaker 2>be placed on a plane and flow them down to

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<v Speaker 2>El Salvador. Peter Brownson up after the top of the

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<v Speaker 2>air news hip. You can stick around for that and

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<v Speaker 2>inside Scoop with Bright Barton News London bureau chief Oliver Lane.

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<v Speaker 2>He's doing to empower you sevenar tonight seven pm what

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<v Speaker 2>is happening in Europe and what it means for us?

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<v Speaker 2>Plus the Daniel Davis Deep Dive, and we're going to

1146
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<v Speaker 2>learn about head and neck cancer from ohc's doctor Joseph Shaughnessy.

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<v Speaker 2>He'll be on at the tail end of the program

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<v Speaker 2>in the eight o'clock hour. I sure hope you can

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<v Speaker 2>stick around seven oh five at fifty five ker CD

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<v Speaker 2>talk station. A very happy Tuesday. I hope you're as

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<v Speaker 2>happy as I am. And it's Tuesday because Peter Bronson

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<v Speaker 2>is in studio. Of course author, he is a publisher.

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<v Speaker 2>Chili Dog Press dot COM's where you find his publishing

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01:05:23.960 --> 01:05:26.599
<v Speaker 2>company and maybe an opportunity to get your book if

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<v Speaker 2>you're someone in the listening audience that's interested in publishing.

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<v Speaker 1>Does a wonderful job.

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<v Speaker 2>He's also a terrific author, former columnist for The Cincinnian

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<v Speaker 2>Inquiry and an award winning columnist back when the editorial

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<v Speaker 2>page used to win awards. Things have changed over at

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<v Speaker 2>the Inquire A little bit. I'm going to miss them

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<v Speaker 2>too much. But Peter Bronson, you always did such a

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<v Speaker 2>wonderful job. And I just got done asking you. Your

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<v Speaker 2>very very first book was a compilation of your columns.

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<v Speaker 10>Yes, that was called Cincinnati for Peace for Pete's Sake.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and then you segued over and actually your first

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<v Speaker 2>book book, and it's a book. It's work of nonfiction,

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<v Speaker 2>of course, behind the lines the untold stories plural of

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<v Speaker 2>the Cincinnati riots. And believe it or not, it has

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<v Speaker 2>been twenty four years. Tomorrow's the anniversary of the outset

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<v Speaker 2>of the Cincinnati riots. It took place, and you know,

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<v Speaker 2>maybe people don't remember these specific facts, and I will

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<v Speaker 2>fall into that category. I remember sort of about them

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<v Speaker 2>when they happened. It led to that consent decree that

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<v Speaker 2>got worked down. Yeah, yeah, we'll get some details.

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<v Speaker 10>Consultants that flew in like vultures to feed on Cincinnati.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah yeah, but what kicked it off? What was the

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<v Speaker 2>impetus for all this? Like George Floyd. Everybody remembers George

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<v Speaker 2>Floyd and dam and BLM and defund the police and everything.

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<v Speaker 1>This was sort of a precursor to that type of reaction.

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<v Speaker 10>It was this was the first major incident of its

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<v Speaker 10>kind in ten years after the Rodney King incident, which

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<v Speaker 10>goes back ten years previously. Right, So when you go

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<v Speaker 10>all the way back to that, you can look at

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<v Speaker 10>this pattern that occurred. And I have to say compliments

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<v Speaker 10>to you for bringing this topic up again, because I

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<v Speaker 10>would wager that very few, if any of the other

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<v Speaker 10>media platforms in this city will even mention it today

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<v Speaker 10>that this is all these twenty four years since this

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<v Speaker 10>happened and it was a huge cataclysmic event in the

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<v Speaker 10>history of our city.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, that's why it's worthy of bringing up. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>did we learn lessons? Are things better now? I mean

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<v Speaker 2>it's a point of a moment of reflection. That's why

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<v Speaker 2>you think about anniversaryes. What's theal line if you don't

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<v Speaker 2>learn from it, Yeah, repete it. So yeah, well, I

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<v Speaker 2>just I remember reading about and my dad telling these

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<v Speaker 2>stories about the sixties riots, the Watts riots. Yeah, and

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<v Speaker 2>the National Guard had to be parked out in front

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<v Speaker 2>of Detroit.

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<v Speaker 10>They had tanks rolling down the streets of Detroit in

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<v Speaker 10>nineteen sixty seven, and they had fifty caliber machine guns

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<v Speaker 10>mounted on the tops of those tanks that were firing

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<v Speaker 10>at rooftops in Detroit because there were snipers up there

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<v Speaker 10>trying to kill the National Guard and the.

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<v Speaker 2>Police see and can you believe that those are the

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<v Speaker 2>facts that I was not aware of. Dad told me

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<v Speaker 2>a story about locally, when these studios used to be

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<v Speaker 2>at nineteen or six Highland Avenue, that they had to

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<v Speaker 2>have a National Guard vehicle posted out there because they

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<v Speaker 2>were concerned about maybe the studio is getting stormed or

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<v Speaker 2>something along those lines. Because the television studios as well

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<v Speaker 2>as the radio studios were all into that a WKRC moniker.

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<v Speaker 2>So things are different now than they were then, But

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<v Speaker 2>that's the one story remember back then. But we felt

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<v Speaker 2>the effects of that eras riots as well.

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<v Speaker 10>It was really bad in Avondale in sixty seven, but

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<v Speaker 10>when you look at what happened in two thousand and

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<v Speaker 10>one was certainly not as bad as those sixty seven riots.

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<v Speaker 10>But it is such a template of what has occurred

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<v Speaker 10>in all these cities since. What occurred in the Rodney kincase,

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<v Speaker 10>what occurred in Ferguson, Missouri, what occurred in Baltimore with

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<v Speaker 10>Freddie Gray, what occurred with you point George Floyd, but

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<v Speaker 10>so many other cases, all of these patterns fit right

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<v Speaker 10>back to Cincinnati in two thousand and one.

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<v Speaker 1>How about that?

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<v Speaker 2>And I think about somebody's gonna say scream with the

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<v Speaker 2>radio and say, Thomas, you're full of it. But there

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<v Speaker 2>seemed to have been in some cases, some of these cases,

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<v Speaker 2>a gross mischaracterization of what happened and people's reaction immediately

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<v Speaker 2>blaming the police, when you know, police were following the

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<v Speaker 2>way they had been trained, and they didn't do anything

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<v Speaker 2>necessarily untoward, but it led to bad outcomes, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>the you know, I mean, you can't defend them literally

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<v Speaker 2>beating the crap out of Rodney King. If you watch

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<v Speaker 2>that video, it's like, I mean, come on.

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<v Speaker 10>Well, except in my research, I was really surprised to

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<v Speaker 10>find this in the Rodney King incident that when the

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<v Speaker 10>jurors were shown the entire tape, ah, then they came

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<v Speaker 10>up with the that kicked off the riots. So the

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<v Speaker 10>tape that we saw on television was heavily edited to

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<v Speaker 10>only show the police responding to him and his attacks.

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<v Speaker 10>He refused to be subdued. The actual transcript of what

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<v Speaker 10>happened is shocking. I mean, they tried everything. Now, did

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<v Speaker 10>they go too far? Of course, yes, they did. Police

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<v Speaker 10>are not inhuman when they're adrenaline gets pumping after a

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<v Speaker 10>police chase. Right, They're just like you and me. They're

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<v Speaker 10>capable of all kinds of.

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<v Speaker 2>Things, especially if their safety is in jeopardy because the

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<v Speaker 2>behavior of the purp in this particular tax Yeah, if

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<v Speaker 2>he's attacked them, or you know, if they use a taser,

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<v Speaker 2>if I don't even know if there's existed back then,

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<v Speaker 2>but if the taser doesn't work and the guy continues

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<v Speaker 2>to become aggressive, and they.

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<v Speaker 10>Tried tasers, they tried everything short of firing their revolvers

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<v Speaker 10>and killing him.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, exactly, and.

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<v Speaker 10>They did not do that. Now, if you mentioned that,

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<v Speaker 10>the first and the initial reactions are often sort of

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<v Speaker 10>a shoot ready aim, especially in the media, and this

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<v Speaker 10>was especially true in Cincinnati. Now, the actual shooting occurred

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<v Speaker 10>on April seventh. On April eighth, a young black men

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<v Speaker 10>had been shot by a police officer. On April eighth,

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<v Speaker 10>the headlines in the Cincinnati Enquirer and in the media

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<v Speaker 10>throughout Cincinnati, but mainly in the Inquirer, included the words

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<v Speaker 10>police brutality, no facts are in remember, police brutality, trigger

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<v Speaker 10>happy and excessive force.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean.

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<v Speaker 10>This was absolutely just setting the table. And it reminded

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<v Speaker 10>me when I was coming in this morning, Brian, that

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<v Speaker 10>today our judgment, I respect, our esteem of the media

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<v Speaker 10>is at a record low. It's at eleven percent feet

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<v Speaker 10>But in these days, bringing up the idea that the

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<v Speaker 10>media might be wrong, that they might be pushing an

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<v Speaker 10>agenda was heresy. This was immediately suppressed or smothered by

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<v Speaker 10>any platform of media because they just thought anybody would

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<v Speaker 10>suggest bias was a tinfoil hat cook.

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<v Speaker 2>Right sort of default to that, Well, this is obvious

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<v Speaker 2>media bias that we wait around and find out what

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<v Speaker 2>the real facts are down the road. Okay, So yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>you have to remember context is everything. This is twenty

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<v Speaker 2>four years ago, yes, and this is I guess that's

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<v Speaker 2>before social media as well, very much.

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<v Speaker 10>So you didn't have the drivers on this. One of

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<v Speaker 10>the main drivers was WDBZ. If you remember the Black

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<v Speaker 10>Ross Love station that was in Avondale, I think, yeah.

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<v Speaker 10>I used to go up there for interviews from time

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<v Speaker 10>to time and it was a wild, wild trip. But

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<v Speaker 10>that's another story. But they just poured kerosene on this

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<v Speaker 10>around the clock. Remember all of CPS schools were out

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<v Speaker 10>for spring break, so there are all these kids hanging

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<v Speaker 10>around with nothing to do, and the radio just kept

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<v Speaker 10>pouring out this police brutality story. How they're out there

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<v Speaker 10>killing young black men. Cincinnati police are hunting down and

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<v Speaker 10>killing young black men.

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<v Speaker 1>This is the story.

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<v Speaker 10>They were broadcast and constantly, and our paper that where

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<v Speaker 10>I was working at, the Inquirer, had done this. It

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<v Speaker 10>was a prize package designed to win some kind of

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<v Speaker 10>a pulitzer or something, you know, in their dreams, but

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<v Speaker 10>the prize package was this long report that really massage

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<v Speaker 10>the data to come up with this narrative of police

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01:13:22.760 --> 01:13:27.159
<v Speaker 10>brutality in Cincinnati. So this was like this incident was

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<v Speaker 10>just kind of they're just waiting for the one to

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<v Speaker 10>come along where this this whole thing can be well.

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<v Speaker 2>As a journalist, then you come from the responsible factual

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01:13:37.439 --> 01:13:41.039
<v Speaker 2>reporting journalism era. You know, you don't draw conclusions, you

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01:13:41.079 --> 01:13:45.079
<v Speaker 2>don't jump the gun. Now, editorial pages are different, but

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01:13:45.079 --> 01:13:49.239
<v Speaker 2>when you're just doing general reporting, did you ever look

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<v Speaker 2>into and in your research doing behind the lines the

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<v Speaker 2>until it's sort of this insint right, what the motivations

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01:13:55.319 --> 01:14:00.000
<v Speaker 2>were for them doing that and painting such a salacious

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01:14:00.119 --> 01:14:06.079
<v Speaker 2>headline and such a well a headline was guaranteed to

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<v Speaker 2>generate this kind of response.

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<v Speaker 10>Well, it was a lot of things that combined and

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01:14:11.359 --> 01:14:16.800
<v Speaker 10>contributed to this, maybe a perfect storm of incendiary reporting

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01:14:16.840 --> 01:14:20.560
<v Speaker 10>that contributed to the violence. I would say part of

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01:14:20.600 --> 01:14:24.079
<v Speaker 10>it was ideological. The people that were being brought into

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01:14:24.119 --> 01:14:26.960
<v Speaker 10>the newsroom had this attitude. A lot of it was

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<v Speaker 10>the Rodney King case, which everybody, let's face it, people

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<v Speaker 10>in the news business, they like to follow the herd,

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01:14:35.720 --> 01:14:38.479
<v Speaker 10>the herd animals, and if somebody gets a lot of

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01:14:38.520 --> 01:14:41.119
<v Speaker 10>attention for a story, then all over the nation we're

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01:14:41.159 --> 01:14:46.239
<v Speaker 10>seeing these another Rodney King. Every confrontation between police and

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01:14:46.279 --> 01:14:49.520
<v Speaker 10>a black suspect. All over the nation, you'd see headlines

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01:14:49.600 --> 01:14:54.000
<v Speaker 10>another Rodney King without anything that necessarily matched up. So

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<v Speaker 10>there's this whole kind of copycat.

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<v Speaker 2>It's called clickbait now online, but back then it sells newspapers,

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<v Speaker 2>Yes it did.

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<v Speaker 10>And there's that. There's the whole prize. I get under

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01:15:09.159 --> 01:15:11.199
<v Speaker 10>that in the book. I was looking back at it

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<v Speaker 10>this morning, and I get into that the whole prize,

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01:15:16.720 --> 01:15:21.359
<v Speaker 10>like every newspaper was kind of shameless in their pursuit

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01:15:21.399 --> 01:15:24.479
<v Speaker 10>of prizes, of whatever kind of prize they could get

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01:15:24.520 --> 01:15:30.680
<v Speaker 10>from the National Conference of investigative reporters, or it might

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01:15:30.760 --> 01:15:35.199
<v Speaker 10>be the Ohio Press Association, whatever it is. Pulletrer is

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01:15:35.239 --> 01:15:38.199
<v Speaker 10>of course the moby Dick, that's the holy Grail. But

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01:15:39.159 --> 01:15:41.640
<v Speaker 10>it was kind of I thought it was kind of

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<v Speaker 10>shameful the way these packages were often designed with the

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01:15:46.279 --> 01:15:49.319
<v Speaker 10>prize committee in mind and not the readers or not

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<v Speaker 10>the community.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, we'll pause right now on the twenty fourth

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01:15:53.000 --> 01:15:57.279
<v Speaker 2>anniversary tomorrow of the East since Any Riots kickoff. Peter Bronson

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01:15:57.439 --> 01:15:59.479
<v Speaker 2>was there, and he saw it all and wrote the

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01:15:59.479 --> 01:16:01.079
<v Speaker 2>book about it, Behind the Lines, the un Told Story

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01:16:01.119 --> 01:16:02.960
<v Speaker 2>of the Cincinna Riots, which you can get, of course

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01:16:03.000 --> 01:16:06.479
<v Speaker 2>on Amazon. Widely received and big thumbs up on that book.

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<v Speaker 2>Will continue in a moment, but if you wake up

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<v Speaker 2>with joint pain and seven twenty here for five KRCD

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01:16:13.479 --> 01:16:18.439
<v Speaker 2>talk station by Thomas with Peter Bronson, author, publisher, former

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01:16:18.560 --> 01:16:21.399
<v Speaker 2>editor of the since An Inquirer, and of course a

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01:16:21.439 --> 01:16:24.920
<v Speaker 2>man who remembers all the facts behind the riots that

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01:16:24.960 --> 01:16:31.479
<v Speaker 2>started Cincinnati on April ninth, and as Peter explained, really

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01:16:31.600 --> 01:16:36.239
<v Speaker 2>kicked off and went ballistic when the Cincinni Inquirer posted

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<v Speaker 2>the headlines that it was all you know, the rogue cop,

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01:16:39.680 --> 01:16:42.000
<v Speaker 2>there'll be a bad share, trigger happy.

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<v Speaker 10>Police brutality excessive for us.

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<v Speaker 2>But that was before any of the information had been

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<v Speaker 2>looked into.

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<v Speaker 1>There had been no internal investigation, and the.

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<v Speaker 10>Police chief was out of town, so they didn't even

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<v Speaker 10>have a press that was a striker right as it was,

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<v Speaker 10>and he was at a conference in Indianapolis, and so

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<v Speaker 10>he was shocked when he's driving home and and I

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<v Speaker 10>think it was Vince Demasi was in charge me. He said,

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<v Speaker 10>by the way.

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<v Speaker 1>Next door events.

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<v Speaker 10>Oh yeah, yeah, he said, by the way, chief.

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<v Speaker 1>What So who is responding?

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<v Speaker 2>Who is responsible for addressing the public right after it happened,

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<v Speaker 2>because it's always, you know, at least a lieutenant on

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<v Speaker 2>the scene, unless it's you know, really a chief level

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<v Speaker 2>respond That would have been the case in this one

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01:17:26.000 --> 01:17:28.439
<v Speaker 2>had the chief Striker been in town exactly. So who

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<v Speaker 2>had the laboring ore of dealing with the press and

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<v Speaker 2>the immediate aftermath.

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<v Speaker 10>Well, it probably should have been Demassi who would have

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01:17:35.000 --> 01:17:36.680
<v Speaker 10>checked in with Striker and said, how do you want

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01:17:36.680 --> 01:17:38.600
<v Speaker 10>to handle this? And Striker had said, I'll be back

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<v Speaker 10>in two hours, right, and we will hold a press conference.

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<v Speaker 10>They did discover that one of the keys to preventing

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01:17:46.359 --> 01:17:48.640
<v Speaker 10>this kind of outbreak of violence is to get everything

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01:17:48.640 --> 01:17:50.760
<v Speaker 10>out there in the public as fast as possible.

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<v Speaker 1>Amen.

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<v Speaker 10>If you got a guy that's involved in a confrontation

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01:17:53.720 --> 01:17:55.720
<v Speaker 10>with police and he was carrying a weapon, you want

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01:17:55.720 --> 01:17:58.520
<v Speaker 10>that weapon on the evening news, the morning news, any

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01:17:58.520 --> 01:18:01.520
<v Speaker 10>place you can show it, Okay, And that really does

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<v Speaker 10>diffuse the whole well violence.

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<v Speaker 2>It does, for it explains the justification for the shooting.

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<v Speaker 2>I had a back and forth this morning. There was

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<v Speaker 2>a recent police shooting and Hamilton County prosecutor said, no,

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01:18:15.239 --> 01:18:17.840
<v Speaker 2>the police were okay on this one. The facts are

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<v Speaker 2>a little questionable and we're still sort of waiting for

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01:18:20.920 --> 01:18:25.319
<v Speaker 2>the full all the information to come out. But you

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01:18:25.520 --> 01:18:29.159
<v Speaker 2>have to provide the public with the information along the

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<v Speaker 2>lines of, you know, police shootings are justified much in

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<v Speaker 2>the same way I am entitled to defend myself with

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<v Speaker 2>deadly force if I am faced with the eminent apprehension

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<v Speaker 2>of grievous bodily harm or still death. And you know,

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<v Speaker 2>for example, if I've been through the process of trying

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<v Speaker 2>to command a person to you know, not resist and

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<v Speaker 2>settle down, get on your knees, put your hands on

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<v Speaker 2>your head, they stop doing that and they get aggressive

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<v Speaker 2>toward me. Of course, face two now in modern policing

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<v Speaker 2>is use your taser if possible, and if they continue

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<v Speaker 2>to be aggressive and that doesn't work, and they continue

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<v Speaker 2>to come out with you, most notably if they are are,

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<v Speaker 2>then you have a legitimate justification for using deadly force.

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<v Speaker 2>It all makes sense. It's like put yourself in the

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<v Speaker 2>same damn position, you would have done it as well.

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<v Speaker 2>Exactly now, in this particular case, what specifically happened, I

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<v Speaker 2>think it's worthy that we go over ultimately what was

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<v Speaker 2>concluded happened, how the confrontation started, and that what led

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<v Speaker 2>to the deadly force.

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<v Speaker 10>Well, you had this kid who was wanted on I

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<v Speaker 10>think of his nineteen different warrants for mainly minor stuff

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01:19:30.760 --> 01:19:36.279
<v Speaker 10>like being out past curfew. He was an nor failure

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01:19:36.319 --> 01:19:40.840
<v Speaker 10>to appear again and again and again, so they spotted him.

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<v Speaker 10>The officer officer Roach gets out of his squad car

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<v Speaker 10>and goes around into an alley because they're going to

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<v Speaker 10>head him off because they knew where he was running.

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<v Speaker 10>As soon as he saw the police, he ran and

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<v Speaker 10>the kid comes over around the corner and he's probably

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<v Speaker 10>as far as we can tell, the best excellent is

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<v Speaker 10>that he was pulling up his sweatpants or his jeans,

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<v Speaker 10>and Roach thought he was going for a gun and

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<v Speaker 10>fired and shot him, killed him. Beyond that, what really

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<v Speaker 10>was another I don't know if you remember this, but

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<v Speaker 10>there was a period when the refrain or the battle

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<v Speaker 10>cry of the protesters riders was fifteen Black men killed fifteen.

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<v Speaker 10>This went out nationally and was a major reason for

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<v Speaker 10>the boycotts that really crippled Cincinnati for a while. And

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<v Speaker 10>the fifteen Black men killed was came directly from that

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<v Speaker 10>excessive force series in the Inquirer. And what I did

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<v Speaker 10>is I circled back to say, Okay, who are these

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<v Speaker 10>fifteen I can read you just a couple examples here

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<v Speaker 10>very shortly. One of them was Daniel Williams, who flagged

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<v Speaker 10>down Cincinnati police officer Kathleen Conway in nineteen ninety eight,

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<v Speaker 10>slugged her in the face, and shot her four times

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<v Speaker 10>in the legs and abdomen with a three fifty seven

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<v Speaker 10>magnum Holy is he carjacked a police car?

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, it's one of the.

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<v Speaker 10>Fifteen victims of police brutality.

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<v Speaker 1>Victim.

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<v Speaker 10>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Another one is a new spin on victim isn't it. Really?

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<v Speaker 10>You have Harry Price, who brutally raped a fifteen year

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<v Speaker 10>old girl in nineteen ninety five, beheaded her with an

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<v Speaker 10>axe and held off police for four hours, attacking them

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01:21:22.520 --> 01:21:25.760
<v Speaker 10>with a steak knife after being hit repeatedly with mace

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01:21:25.840 --> 01:21:28.680
<v Speaker 10>and stun guns. He was shot when he lunged at

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<v Speaker 10>the police with a knife.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, since in the interested time, we're gonna take

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01:21:31.600 --> 01:21:33.159
<v Speaker 2>a break, I mean, we get some more of those.

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<v Speaker 2>But what you're suggesting is, in this reporting, this fifteen

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<v Speaker 2>black man, the narrative that was presented that they were

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<v Speaker 2>all innocent people who were not justifiably shot by the police. Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>and the two you just read there just really kind

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01:21:49.279 --> 01:21:51.119
<v Speaker 2>of burst the bubble of that narrative, don't they.

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01:21:51.239 --> 01:21:53.800
<v Speaker 10>Yeah, all but about three were not even questionable.

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01:21:54.359 --> 01:21:54.880
<v Speaker 1>Let's pause.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll bring back Peter Bronson in a moment for seven

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01:21:57.920 --> 01:21:59.720
<v Speaker 2>twenty nine. If you give out their CD talk station

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01:22:00.079 --> 01:22:04.079
<v Speaker 2>Times with Peter Bronson, author of many, many books, all

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01:22:04.119 --> 01:22:06.920
<v Speaker 2>worthy of reading. Just go to Amazon dot com and

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01:22:06.960 --> 01:22:09.079
<v Speaker 2>you find Peter Bronson's page and you can see all

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01:22:09.119 --> 01:22:11.920
<v Speaker 2>the Sin City and the other wonderful books he's written.

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01:22:11.960 --> 01:22:16.720
<v Speaker 2>They're just they're just really genuine page turners. And uh,

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01:22:16.920 --> 01:22:19.079
<v Speaker 2>that's one of the things I love about it. I'll

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01:22:19.119 --> 01:22:21.239
<v Speaker 2>put you in a category like a bill O'Reilly. Once

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01:22:21.279 --> 01:22:23.399
<v Speaker 2>you get going, Peter, you just can't put him down.

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01:22:23.840 --> 01:22:25.760
<v Speaker 2>And the fact that it's so local, we all have

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01:22:25.800 --> 01:22:31.840
<v Speaker 2>a connection with it. Yeah, you were mentioned, you know, like, uh,

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01:22:31.880 --> 01:22:36.079
<v Speaker 2>the Junkyard dog alligation. You know, Ken Lawson is in

1475
01:22:36.159 --> 01:22:38.560
<v Speaker 2>your book, and I actually went to law school with Ken.

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01:22:38.560 --> 01:22:39.880
<v Speaker 2>I think it was a year or two ahead. I mean,

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01:22:40.279 --> 01:22:42.920
<v Speaker 2>we know what a troubled problem in a difficult time

1478
01:22:42.960 --> 01:22:45.279
<v Speaker 2>he had with his you know, the drug issues and

1479
01:22:45.359 --> 01:22:47.960
<v Speaker 2>the I guess disbarment or whatever he went through. But

1480
01:22:48.000 --> 01:22:50.880
<v Speaker 2>he was integrally involved in this and maybe it was

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01:22:51.079 --> 01:22:52.960
<v Speaker 2>made a bit of a scene my gosh.

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01:22:53.000 --> 01:22:53.239
<v Speaker 4>Yes.

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01:22:53.840 --> 01:22:57.840
<v Speaker 10>But yet of all places the law in public safety, yeah,

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01:22:57.920 --> 01:22:59.920
<v Speaker 10>where it was completely lawless.

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01:22:59.560 --> 01:23:01.720
<v Speaker 2>And a riot broke out and or I broke out, Yeah,

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01:23:02.000 --> 01:23:04.359
<v Speaker 2>behind the lines, the untold stories of the since I

1487
01:23:04.520 --> 01:23:10.159
<v Speaker 2>riots the name of the book, so I imagine, you know,

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01:23:10.279 --> 01:23:14.720
<v Speaker 2>and at least again, going back twenty four years, we

1489
01:23:14.760 --> 01:23:17.840
<v Speaker 2>have evolved as a society, and I think in many

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01:23:17.880 --> 01:23:21.079
<v Speaker 2>cases for the better. You know, you know, a light

1491
01:23:21.159 --> 01:23:23.960
<v Speaker 2>has been exposed on some of the terrible problems that

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01:23:23.960 --> 01:23:27.199
<v Speaker 2>we've had with police departments. Yes there have been instances

1493
01:23:27.239 --> 01:23:31.039
<v Speaker 2>of racism. Yes there have been instances of brutality, and

1494
01:23:31.079 --> 01:23:33.439
<v Speaker 2>I think so one of the positive steps we've gone through,

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01:23:33.479 --> 01:23:35.800
<v Speaker 2>in spite of the fact that maybe none of this

1496
01:23:36.079 --> 01:23:40.439
<v Speaker 2>outrage in any given instances was justified, there was a

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01:23:40.520 --> 01:23:46.079
<v Speaker 2>percolating general anger between members of certain communities and the

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01:23:46.119 --> 01:23:47.159
<v Speaker 2>police department that was.

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01:23:47.119 --> 01:23:49.399
<v Speaker 1>Built in what we called the unrest.

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01:23:49.600 --> 01:23:52.800
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, the unrest was there. Yes, everybody knew somebody who

1501
01:23:52.840 --> 01:23:55.760
<v Speaker 2>had been pulled over for they always say driving while black.

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01:23:55.840 --> 01:23:58.479
<v Speaker 2>You know, they're just hassling me and shaking me down.

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01:23:58.960 --> 01:24:01.239
<v Speaker 2>You know, my buddy Rudy was, you know, being clubbed

1504
01:24:01.239 --> 01:24:05.000
<v Speaker 2>over the police officer with PR twenty four that I

1505
01:24:05.039 --> 01:24:08.079
<v Speaker 2>know that kind of thing existed. So when a pretext

1506
01:24:08.119 --> 01:24:11.680
<v Speaker 2>comes along as inaccurate as the details were, as you

1507
01:24:11.760 --> 01:24:13.760
<v Speaker 2>talk about in your book, and as you pointed out

1508
01:24:13.800 --> 01:24:18.119
<v Speaker 2>this morning, it's like, Okay, the kindling's already there. It

1509
01:24:18.239 --> 01:24:20.359
<v Speaker 2>just takes a spark. And even if the spark is

1510
01:24:20.399 --> 01:24:22.640
<v Speaker 2>not the one that should have started it. And I'm

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01:24:22.640 --> 01:24:25.720
<v Speaker 2>not going to justify political or violence in the streets

1512
01:24:26.279 --> 01:24:28.880
<v Speaker 2>and the extent of the reaction. You can kind of

1513
01:24:29.000 --> 01:24:30.800
<v Speaker 2>understand on the level where it came from.

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01:24:30.960 --> 01:24:35.520
<v Speaker 10>Yes, and so much was done after during right after

1515
01:24:35.560 --> 01:24:39.840
<v Speaker 10>the riots, we had the can Commission, which was Cincinnati Action.

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01:24:40.000 --> 01:24:43.880
<v Speaker 10>Now it was largely ineffective. We had a federal consent

1517
01:24:44.000 --> 01:24:47.079
<v Speaker 10>decree that came in for about a year or more.

1518
01:24:47.159 --> 01:24:50.800
<v Speaker 10>We had federal monitors that were in the back pocket

1519
01:24:50.840 --> 01:24:54.359
<v Speaker 10>of every police officer looking over the shoulders of all

1520
01:24:54.399 --> 01:24:57.600
<v Speaker 10>the police brass. It drove Striker crazy because I couldn't

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01:24:57.600 --> 01:25:03.039
<v Speaker 10>do his job. And I think what changed was the

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01:25:03.079 --> 01:25:07.279
<v Speaker 10>police learned some things out of this, almost independent of

1523
01:25:07.319 --> 01:25:09.560
<v Speaker 10>the ten or fifteen million or whatever it was the

1524
01:25:09.600 --> 01:25:12.560
<v Speaker 10>city spent on all these consultants. A lot of these

1525
01:25:12.600 --> 01:25:14.640
<v Speaker 10>consultants just came here to shake the city down. And

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01:25:14.760 --> 01:25:18.560
<v Speaker 10>of course, yeah, it was crazy. Nothing's changed, nothing has changed.

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01:25:18.600 --> 01:25:20.640
<v Speaker 2>You need a non governmental organization and here taking a

1528
01:25:20.640 --> 01:25:23.159
<v Speaker 2>look at this, right, you know, five hundred thousand dollars

1529
01:25:23.159 --> 01:25:24.199
<v Speaker 2>a year working for an MNGO.

1530
01:25:24.319 --> 01:25:25.800
<v Speaker 1>Yes, I'll be happy to do the work.

1531
01:25:25.880 --> 01:25:30.560
<v Speaker 10>Well, yeah, what city elected official isn't glad to shift

1532
01:25:30.600 --> 01:25:34.119
<v Speaker 10>the blame and let somebody else take responsibility for something

1533
01:25:34.159 --> 01:25:36.920
<v Speaker 10>by giving them a million dollars. So, but the police

1534
01:25:37.000 --> 01:25:39.520
<v Speaker 10>learned some key lessons, which one of them we discussed

1535
01:25:39.600 --> 01:25:42.159
<v Speaker 10>was getting the weapons or any kind of evidence out

1536
01:25:42.159 --> 01:25:44.800
<v Speaker 10>there as soon as possible, get out in public, have

1537
01:25:44.880 --> 01:25:47.880
<v Speaker 10>a press conference, tell everybody what happened as much as

1538
01:25:47.920 --> 01:25:52.279
<v Speaker 10>you know, to correct these myths that are perpetrated by

1539
01:25:52.279 --> 01:25:55.560
<v Speaker 10>the media in many cases. The next thing they found out,

1540
01:25:55.560 --> 01:25:58.680
<v Speaker 10>which was very surprising, was a curfews work on the

1541
01:25:58.760 --> 01:26:02.279
<v Speaker 10>fourth day of violence when they were they had just

1542
01:26:02.399 --> 01:26:06.239
<v Speaker 10>experienced the worst day of violence on the eleventh, with

1543
01:26:06.720 --> 01:26:09.279
<v Speaker 10>people being dragged. An elderly couple was dragged out of

1544
01:26:09.319 --> 01:26:12.159
<v Speaker 10>the car and beaten severely. We had this happening pretty

1545
01:26:12.159 --> 01:26:16.880
<v Speaker 10>regularly in the streets, and the police and the mayor

1546
01:26:16.920 --> 01:26:20.319
<v Speaker 10>declared a curfew and it worked, and everybody's like, wow,

1547
01:26:20.439 --> 01:26:23.600
<v Speaker 10>that's kind of a surprise. People are burning down businesses,

1548
01:26:25.000 --> 01:26:28.119
<v Speaker 10>smashing windows, throwing rocks at the police. But you tell

1549
01:26:28.159 --> 01:26:30.920
<v Speaker 10>them that that, you know, eleven o'clock everything ends.

1550
01:26:31.000 --> 01:26:34.600
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, yeah, it worked. It's like parents know that

1551
01:26:34.720 --> 01:26:37.600
<v Speaker 2>about young people. Most of the problems occurved sort of

1552
01:26:38.039 --> 01:26:41.560
<v Speaker 2>after eleven pm. You start worrying about what your kids

1553
01:26:41.560 --> 01:26:41.960
<v Speaker 2>are up to.

1554
01:26:42.199 --> 01:26:43.880
<v Speaker 10>But there were a lot of lessons like that that

1555
01:26:43.920 --> 01:26:46.920
<v Speaker 10>were applied. But we went through a really bad period too,

1556
01:26:46.960 --> 01:26:52.000
<v Speaker 10>where the police they they layered on so many layers

1557
01:26:52.119 --> 01:26:55.359
<v Speaker 10>of review, of second guessing. For the cops, they had

1558
01:26:55.399 --> 01:27:00.640
<v Speaker 10>seven layers of oversight, so if they couldn't really do

1559
01:27:00.680 --> 01:27:02.680
<v Speaker 10>anything and they kind of backed off. They called it

1560
01:27:02.760 --> 01:27:04.079
<v Speaker 10>drive by policing, of.

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01:27:04.079 --> 01:27:06.640
<v Speaker 2>Course, and we saw that a lot of the aftermath

1562
01:27:06.680 --> 01:27:10.479
<v Speaker 2>of Black Lives Matter riots through it any't worth it.

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01:27:10.760 --> 01:27:13.439
<v Speaker 10>Yes, it was kind of a self defunding of the

1564
01:27:13.479 --> 01:27:17.399
<v Speaker 10>police without the defunding part. And it took about a

1565
01:27:17.479 --> 01:27:19.640
<v Speaker 10>year year and a half before Striker had a big

1566
01:27:19.680 --> 01:27:22.039
<v Speaker 10>meeting with all the cops and said, look, do your job,

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01:27:23.119 --> 01:27:24.640
<v Speaker 10>get back on the street and do your job, and

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01:27:24.680 --> 01:27:27.359
<v Speaker 10>I'll back you up one hundred percent. And I got

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01:27:27.399 --> 01:27:29.399
<v Speaker 10>a credit Mark Mallory too as the new marrior. He

1570
01:27:29.479 --> 01:27:32.640
<v Speaker 10>came in and said, look, I will play it fair,

1571
01:27:33.319 --> 01:27:35.359
<v Speaker 10>i will look at the evidence, and I'm not gonna

1572
01:27:35.720 --> 01:27:39.000
<v Speaker 10>throw kerosene on any fires unless i know there's something there.

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01:27:39.079 --> 01:27:42.279
<v Speaker 2>Well see, and I will call that responsible leadership. Because

1574
01:27:42.279 --> 01:27:46.199
<v Speaker 2>again moving over to the post, let's say George Floyd area,

1575
01:27:47.800 --> 01:27:53.119
<v Speaker 2>you had politicians that were joining in the ridicule of

1576
01:27:53.199 --> 01:27:56.640
<v Speaker 2>the police departments and not supporting them at all. And

1577
01:27:56.680 --> 01:27:59.399
<v Speaker 2>you know what that does the morale within a police department.

1578
01:27:59.439 --> 01:28:01.520
<v Speaker 2>You can't even get your elected officials on your side

1579
01:28:01.520 --> 01:28:04.079
<v Speaker 2>when your job is to try to keep the community safe.

1580
01:28:04.439 --> 01:28:07.079
<v Speaker 10>And it was terrible at Cincinnati City Hall. I mean,

1581
01:28:07.119 --> 01:28:10.119
<v Speaker 10>we had the Law and Public Safety Committee on April

1582
01:28:10.680 --> 01:28:14.039
<v Speaker 10>ninth was literally taken over. They were held hostage in

1583
01:28:14.119 --> 01:28:17.520
<v Speaker 10>that room by protesters who filled the entire room, stood

1584
01:28:17.560 --> 01:28:21.239
<v Speaker 10>on their desks, took their chairs from them, and they

1585
01:28:21.239 --> 01:28:25.039
<v Speaker 10>were completely intimidated and not even allowed to leave the

1586
01:28:25.119 --> 01:28:28.600
<v Speaker 10>room for a rest break. And what happened then is

1587
01:28:28.640 --> 01:28:31.880
<v Speaker 10>that the city council just kind of adopted this whole

1588
01:28:31.920 --> 01:28:33.560
<v Speaker 10>idea that it was all the police fault.

1589
01:28:34.079 --> 01:28:34.880
<v Speaker 1>Capitulated.

1590
01:28:34.960 --> 01:28:36.960
<v Speaker 10>They capitulated it was a lot easier.

1591
01:28:37.000 --> 01:28:39.720
<v Speaker 2>Well, and I must observe the other development we have,

1592
01:28:40.079 --> 01:28:43.720
<v Speaker 2>and you know, no Orwellian fanom I at least these

1593
01:28:43.840 --> 01:28:47.119
<v Speaker 2>days we have body camera footage. Yes, and that has

1594
01:28:47.880 --> 01:28:50.399
<v Speaker 2>burst the bubble of so many people who claim it

1595
01:28:50.439 --> 01:28:53.119
<v Speaker 2>was police were in the wrong. It's the police who

1596
01:28:53.159 --> 01:28:55.920
<v Speaker 2>did this. It's reduced the number of complaints that there

1597
01:28:55.960 --> 01:29:00.000
<v Speaker 2>was police brutality and no, here's the body camera exactly,

1598
01:29:00.000 --> 01:29:01.600
<v Speaker 2>go ahead and draw your own conclusions.

1599
01:29:01.680 --> 01:29:04.199
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so it's it's I think it's solved.

1600
01:29:03.880 --> 01:29:07.640
<v Speaker 2>More problems for the police department than it has well provided,

1601
01:29:07.880 --> 01:29:10.920
<v Speaker 2>you know, documented proof that the police were in the wrong.

1602
01:29:11.239 --> 01:29:15.720
<v Speaker 10>And there's been improvements in technology for non lethal force.

1603
01:29:16.000 --> 01:29:19.760
<v Speaker 10>So the tasers were a huge breakthrough because that gave

1604
01:29:19.800 --> 01:29:21.840
<v Speaker 10>them an option short of the club.

1605
01:29:22.479 --> 01:29:24.640
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you know, and when the taser shut up, the

1606
01:29:24.640 --> 01:29:27.319
<v Speaker 2>PR twenty fours went the way of the Dodo exactly.

1607
01:29:27.399 --> 01:29:31.159
<v Speaker 10>And so but the other interesting thing is that tasers

1608
01:29:31.359 --> 01:29:36.399
<v Speaker 10>were absolutely considered like a horrible, cruel and unusual tool

1609
01:29:36.479 --> 01:29:39.039
<v Speaker 10>for the police by the media, and the police had

1610
01:29:39.039 --> 01:29:43.680
<v Speaker 10>to weather that storm of all these bogus reports about

1611
01:29:43.680 --> 01:29:45.640
<v Speaker 10>how many people were going to die, and this is

1612
01:29:46.000 --> 01:29:49.359
<v Speaker 10>absolutely you know, it's a deadly jolt of electricity.

1613
01:29:49.399 --> 01:29:52.199
<v Speaker 2>And that's hilarious because all the all the cadets of

1614
01:29:52.279 --> 01:29:55.319
<v Speaker 2>the police department go through they get tasered, that's true,

1615
01:29:55.399 --> 01:29:57.600
<v Speaker 2>they get shot with a tasers, so they know damn

1616
01:29:57.600 --> 01:29:59.960
<v Speaker 2>well how it feels and what it does through you exactly.

1617
01:30:00.199 --> 01:30:02.239
<v Speaker 10>And you don't hear of anybody getting killed or going

1618
01:30:02.279 --> 01:30:03.079
<v Speaker 10>into the hospital.

1619
01:30:03.119 --> 01:30:05.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, no, no, you know, pause, we'll bring Peter back.

1620
01:30:05.960 --> 01:30:08.000
<v Speaker 2>Got a couple more segments with him. I'm really enjoying this.

1621
01:30:08.079 --> 01:30:13.760
<v Speaker 2>I hope you are as cherry if you love Harse

1622
01:30:14.000 --> 01:30:17.039
<v Speaker 2>Talk Station taking a walk through history not one of

1623
01:30:17.039 --> 01:30:20.159
<v Speaker 2>the high points in Greater Cincinnati's history, but one certainly

1624
01:30:20.199 --> 01:30:22.800
<v Speaker 2>worthy of exploring. In Peter Bronson's in studio, his book

1625
01:30:22.840 --> 01:30:26.399
<v Speaker 2>Behind the Lines, the Untold Stories of the Cincinnati Riots,

1626
01:30:26.439 --> 01:30:29.479
<v Speaker 2>and we're kind of walking through the practical reality of

1627
01:30:29.960 --> 01:30:34.239
<v Speaker 2>what happened and then sort of paralleling it with or

1628
01:30:34.239 --> 01:30:37.600
<v Speaker 2>comparing it to how the media just twisted the narrative

1629
01:30:37.640 --> 01:30:40.560
<v Speaker 2>on it and actually fed the fuel for these riots

1630
01:30:40.640 --> 01:30:44.600
<v Speaker 2>and fed the fuel for the fire. And it's just

1631
01:30:44.640 --> 01:30:47.039
<v Speaker 2>been a real eye opener because you know, honestly, Peter,

1632
01:30:47.119 --> 01:30:49.319
<v Speaker 2>it's been so long, and I'm not quite sure how

1633
01:30:49.319 --> 01:30:52.560
<v Speaker 2>closely connected I was with the facts at the time

1634
01:30:52.600 --> 01:30:53.319
<v Speaker 2>that was going on.

1635
01:30:54.600 --> 01:30:58.560
<v Speaker 1>But which calendar year was this again, two thousand and one.

1636
01:30:58.720 --> 01:31:01.640
<v Speaker 2>Two thousand and one, Yeah, back in town. We came

1637
01:31:01.680 --> 01:31:05.279
<v Speaker 2>back in ninety eight from Chicago.

1638
01:31:05.039 --> 01:31:09.319
<v Speaker 10>And everything that happened, remember, is completely eclipsed by the

1639
01:31:09.359 --> 01:31:14.039
<v Speaker 10>World Trade Center attack which followed shortly thereafter. So this

1640
01:31:14.199 --> 01:31:18.600
<v Speaker 10>was in April and that happens in September. So for Cincinnati,

1641
01:31:18.680 --> 01:31:22.159
<v Speaker 10>this was still huge and the effects lingered for about

1642
01:31:22.159 --> 01:31:24.039
<v Speaker 10>two or three years. I don't know if you were

1643
01:31:24.039 --> 01:31:27.840
<v Speaker 10>here then, but we had a thriving entertainment district on

1644
01:31:27.960 --> 01:31:33.000
<v Speaker 10>Main Street that was pretty much just died from the

1645
01:31:33.000 --> 01:31:37.920
<v Speaker 10>boycotts and from the violence, and that kind of went away.

1646
01:31:37.960 --> 01:31:41.640
<v Speaker 10>Now it's kind of over. It's in OTR. But I

1647
01:31:41.640 --> 01:31:44.399
<v Speaker 10>mean a lot of cool places like Neons were there,

1648
01:31:44.520 --> 01:31:48.079
<v Speaker 10>and yeah, all kinds of places, but you know, the city,

1649
01:31:48.720 --> 01:31:53.399
<v Speaker 10>a lot of restaurants failed. There was really terrible boycotts

1650
01:31:53.399 --> 01:31:57.880
<v Speaker 10>and a lot of confrontations and nasty The whole city

1651
01:31:58.000 --> 01:32:04.079
<v Speaker 10>was just in a terrible kind of hostile, divided climate.

1652
01:32:05.560 --> 01:32:08.399
<v Speaker 2>This you know, go back to go back to Watts

1653
01:32:08.439 --> 01:32:11.039
<v Speaker 2>and go back to you know, Rodney King, and it

1654
01:32:11.079 --> 01:32:14.399
<v Speaker 2>seems to have like a cyclical effect. Yes, I don't

1655
01:32:14.439 --> 01:32:18.279
<v Speaker 2>know if there's any connection with the political environment generally

1656
01:32:18.359 --> 01:32:22.760
<v Speaker 2>speaking and this type of rioting behavior happening, because you know,

1657
01:32:22.840 --> 01:32:25.199
<v Speaker 2>you could see with Antifa now they had their own

1658
01:32:25.319 --> 01:32:28.520
<v Speaker 2>separate issues, but a lot of fires and looting and

1659
01:32:28.560 --> 01:32:31.479
<v Speaker 2>destruction and anti police activity.

1660
01:32:31.000 --> 01:32:34.319
<v Speaker 10>I think same thing, and just burning police stations. It's

1661
01:32:34.359 --> 01:32:38.319
<v Speaker 10>just another escalation on this ladder that we saw and

1662
01:32:38.760 --> 01:32:42.399
<v Speaker 10>it's pretty much the same things that happened in Cincinnati,

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01:32:42.840 --> 01:32:46.279
<v Speaker 10>but in a little bit more expanded scale, and it

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01:32:46.319 --> 01:32:50.039
<v Speaker 10>keeps getting worse and morrise. And I really, because I'm

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<v Speaker 10>in the media. Maybe yeah, well, you know, the guy

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01:32:52.079 --> 01:32:54.239
<v Speaker 10>who has a hammer looks at everything like a nail.

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01:32:54.279 --> 01:32:58.199
<v Speaker 10>Maybe that's me. But I think the media, with many

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01:32:58.239 --> 01:33:01.800
<v Speaker 10>good intentions, perhaps of trying to unite the country, has

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01:33:01.800 --> 01:33:04.439
<v Speaker 10>done more to divide us on the issues of race

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<v Speaker 10>than anyone.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, again, it goes back to clickbait, you know, unification,

1672
01:33:10.119 --> 01:33:16.720
<v Speaker 2>uniting speaking a message of you know, enjoying and living

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01:33:16.800 --> 01:33:20.079
<v Speaker 2>under collectively in peace, in the name of freedom and

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01:33:20.159 --> 01:33:23.079
<v Speaker 2>liberty and respecting your neighbors. You know that don't That

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01:33:23.119 --> 01:33:30.159
<v Speaker 2>doesn't get clicks, It doesn't get people buying you know, murder, mayhem, ray, pestilans, police, brutality, brutality.

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01:33:30.520 --> 01:33:32.000
<v Speaker 2>You know you're going to buy a paper, you know.

1677
01:33:32.119 --> 01:33:33.880
<v Speaker 2>It's like you can go back to the movies in

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01:33:33.920 --> 01:33:37.119
<v Speaker 2>the nineteen thirties and forties, headlines headlines murder of so

1679
01:33:37.279 --> 01:33:38.319
<v Speaker 2>and so, and that of.

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01:33:38.279 --> 01:33:39.800
<v Speaker 1>Course is why people would buy papers.

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely so. Yeah, well, human nature is what it is.

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01:33:43.199 --> 01:33:47.840
<v Speaker 2>It is, at least I think I have. I'm as

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01:33:47.960 --> 01:33:52.119
<v Speaker 2>much of as much problems as many problems rather are

1684
01:33:52.159 --> 01:33:55.079
<v Speaker 2>created by the Internet. And this way that the Internet

1685
01:33:55.199 --> 01:33:56.960
<v Speaker 2>has of being able to reach so many people in

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01:33:57.000 --> 01:33:58.479
<v Speaker 2>such short period of time that you can get a

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01:33:58.520 --> 01:33:59.960
<v Speaker 2>whole bunch of idiots and don't know what to talk

1688
01:34:00.000 --> 01:34:03.439
<v Speaker 2>talking about showing up on a Saturday to protest cutting

1689
01:34:03.560 --> 01:34:08.439
<v Speaker 2>out ridiculous government ways and claiming that medicaid is somehow

1690
01:34:08.479 --> 01:34:11.439
<v Speaker 2>being gutted, when in fact the polar opposite is happening.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a downside. An upside is though, that you and

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01:34:15.399 --> 01:34:18.119
<v Speaker 2>I actually can go out into the world and get

1693
01:34:18.159 --> 01:34:24.239
<v Speaker 2>a broader view and more opinions and a broader swath

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01:34:24.439 --> 01:34:28.000
<v Speaker 2>of how the information is being presented, which if you're

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01:34:28.000 --> 01:34:32.319
<v Speaker 2>smart enough, you'll get a clear picture of what reality is.

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<v Speaker 4>Well.

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<v Speaker 10>I think you make a great point, and social media

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01:34:36.119 --> 01:34:41.640
<v Speaker 10>and the online websites have really it's like giving the

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01:34:41.680 --> 01:34:44.880
<v Speaker 10>most irresponsible people in the media back in two thousand

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01:34:44.880 --> 01:34:48.319
<v Speaker 10>and one an amplifier and a bull horn. Yeah, and

1701
01:34:48.399 --> 01:34:52.840
<v Speaker 10>now they can spread it even faster with less research,

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01:34:52.960 --> 01:34:54.279
<v Speaker 10>less reporting, less.

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01:34:54.039 --> 01:34:55.800
<v Speaker 1>Evidence, less accountability.

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01:34:55.880 --> 01:34:58.399
<v Speaker 10>And it's, like you said, it's clickbase. So if they

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01:34:58.399 --> 01:35:01.000
<v Speaker 10>have to correct if the next day, who can because

1706
01:35:01.000 --> 01:35:05.079
<v Speaker 10>they got the income that they can show advertisers from

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01:35:05.079 --> 01:35:06.079
<v Speaker 10>those million clicks.

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01:35:06.800 --> 01:35:08.800
<v Speaker 2>Let's pause wording Peter back for one more. I'll be

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01:35:08.880 --> 01:35:15.680
<v Speaker 2>right back after these brief words here fifty five KRCD

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01:35:15.760 --> 01:35:19.000
<v Speaker 2>Thalk states, and I haven't been thoroughly enjoying his look

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01:35:19.079 --> 01:35:23.920
<v Speaker 2>back in history with Peter Bronson regarding the riots which

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01:35:23.920 --> 01:35:27.079
<v Speaker 2>took place tomorrow twenty four years April ninth, to kick

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01:35:27.119 --> 01:35:28.479
<v Speaker 2>off of the riots here in the Cincinnati if you

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01:35:28.479 --> 01:35:30.000
<v Speaker 2>want to read about it, he wrote the book along

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01:35:30.039 --> 01:35:32.359
<v Speaker 2>a while back. Two thousand and six was the published

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01:35:32.399 --> 01:35:36.439
<v Speaker 2>date Behind the Lines, the Untold Story of the Cincinnati Riots.

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01:35:36.960 --> 01:35:40.000
<v Speaker 2>And you brought up some great elements about this that

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01:35:40.119 --> 01:35:42.079
<v Speaker 2>I'm sure so many people have forgotten. But all the

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01:35:42.079 --> 01:35:48.079
<v Speaker 2>parallels that we can draw with other almost identical situations,

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01:35:48.199 --> 01:35:51.439
<v Speaker 2>to me has been rather fascinating, connecting the dots and

1721
01:35:51.479 --> 01:35:55.920
<v Speaker 2>showing the parallels, and most notably the idea that quite

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01:35:55.960 --> 01:35:59.399
<v Speaker 2>often these things are if not only tiny bit baked,

1723
01:35:59.439 --> 01:36:02.399
<v Speaker 2>but half at best, when people start flying off the

1724
01:36:02.399 --> 01:36:06.279
<v Speaker 2>handle and drawing conclusions and engaging in outright acts of

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01:36:06.319 --> 01:36:09.880
<v Speaker 2>destruction and violence, when they themselves while they may be

1726
01:36:10.039 --> 01:36:12.239
<v Speaker 2>angry at this system, or they may be angry at

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01:36:12.239 --> 01:36:15.520
<v Speaker 2>you know, law enforcement generally in these particulars, many of

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01:36:15.560 --> 01:36:18.680
<v Speaker 2>these circumstances, the anger isn't justified.

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<v Speaker 10>No, as you pointed out, there may be a background

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01:36:24.600 --> 01:36:28.279
<v Speaker 10>climate that is contributing to this. But I think by now,

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01:36:28.920 --> 01:36:31.600
<v Speaker 10>by now, after we've been through this so many times,

1732
01:36:31.680 --> 01:36:37.560
<v Speaker 10>we've seen this rodeo before, that climate, especially in police practices,

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01:36:37.960 --> 01:36:42.680
<v Speaker 10>is for all intents and purposes gone. Will there be exceptions, Oh, sure,

1734
01:36:42.920 --> 01:36:45.640
<v Speaker 10>of course. Ye, that's human nature, that's life. But the

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01:36:45.800 --> 01:36:50.119
<v Speaker 10>idea that there is a systemic racism and a police department,

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01:36:50.239 --> 01:36:53.600
<v Speaker 10>or that police are out there looking for excuses to

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01:36:54.079 --> 01:36:58.520
<v Speaker 10>be racist and kill or arrest or beat people because

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01:36:58.520 --> 01:37:01.600
<v Speaker 10>of their ethnicity, it's ridiculous.

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01:37:01.640 --> 01:37:02.520
<v Speaker 1>I think it is too.

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01:37:02.800 --> 01:37:05.560
<v Speaker 2>And you know, there was a guy named Corey that

1741
01:37:05.680 --> 01:37:08.600
<v Speaker 2>called in and he said he just through these broadbrush

1742
01:37:08.640 --> 01:37:11.039
<v Speaker 2>conclusions cops want to be costs because they want to

1743
01:37:11.079 --> 01:37:14.000
<v Speaker 2>go out and shoot somebody, that they're all trigger happy.

1744
01:37:14.000 --> 01:37:16.079
<v Speaker 2>And I'm listening to this thinking about my sister, who,

1745
01:37:16.159 --> 01:37:19.239
<v Speaker 2>after twenty five years, you know, served since my police

1746
01:37:19.239 --> 01:37:22.359
<v Speaker 2>department and her community. Well, she had stories that she

1747
01:37:22.439 --> 01:37:25.520
<v Speaker 2>used to talk about being spit on, punched, having to

1748
01:37:25.520 --> 01:37:28.279
<v Speaker 2>get you know, wrestle people to the ground, getting abused

1749
01:37:28.319 --> 01:37:31.880
<v Speaker 2>herbally and orally all and never once did she had

1750
01:37:31.880 --> 01:37:33.840
<v Speaker 2>to pull her firearmar To the best of my knowledge,

1751
01:37:33.840 --> 01:37:36.079
<v Speaker 2>I know she never had to shoot anybody. But he

1752
01:37:36.199 --> 01:37:39.199
<v Speaker 2>was being insistent upon this, and so I looked. I

1753
01:37:39.199 --> 01:37:41.199
<v Speaker 2>looked up the fun fact. In twenty twenty four, in

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01:37:41.199 --> 01:37:44.079
<v Speaker 2>the United States, they were over one point two eight

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01:37:44.319 --> 01:37:47.159
<v Speaker 2>million sworn law enforcement officers, with about one hundred and

1756
01:37:47.159 --> 01:37:50.479
<v Speaker 2>thirty seven thousand of them working for federal agencies and

1757
01:37:50.520 --> 01:37:53.840
<v Speaker 2>the rest at state, local levels. And I see, you know,

1758
01:37:54.279 --> 01:37:57.319
<v Speaker 2>of course there are going to be jerks in there,

1759
01:37:57.880 --> 01:38:02.279
<v Speaker 2>just like the general populations that's in prison. That's why

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01:38:02.119 --> 01:38:05.239
<v Speaker 2>they find murderers and rapists are the vast majority of

1761
01:38:05.279 --> 01:38:08.359
<v Speaker 2>people murderers and rapists. Do we have this collective mindset

1762
01:38:08.439 --> 01:38:12.159
<v Speaker 2>that we're all, you know, justifying committing these horrific acts. No,

1763
01:38:12.560 --> 01:38:14.399
<v Speaker 2>they're always going to be a few bad apples. But

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01:38:14.560 --> 01:38:18.479
<v Speaker 2>going back to the social media part, they do make

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01:38:18.600 --> 01:38:22.079
<v Speaker 2>the headlines. Yes, And when you have this mentality of

1766
01:38:22.359 --> 01:38:26.239
<v Speaker 2>the George Floyd mentality, this particular mentality what comes from

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01:38:26.319 --> 01:38:29.840
<v Speaker 2>the riots and people you know, immediately using it as

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01:38:29.840 --> 01:38:33.800
<v Speaker 2>a vehicle to attack the entire police department. No one

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01:38:33.840 --> 01:38:35.600
<v Speaker 2>thinks contextually about it.

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01:38:35.760 --> 01:38:39.239
<v Speaker 10>Sensationalism has been monetized. It has That's what we look

1771
01:38:39.279 --> 01:38:42.199
<v Speaker 10>at in our media today at all levels. I'm talking

1772
01:38:42.199 --> 01:38:47.680
<v Speaker 10>about network news, cable news, everything, especially social media and

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01:38:47.680 --> 01:38:52.239
<v Speaker 10>online platforms. The more sensationalists, the more readers click it,

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01:38:52.359 --> 01:38:53.319
<v Speaker 10>the more money you make.

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01:38:54.000 --> 01:38:56.760
<v Speaker 2>Well listeners you can get to still get a copy.

1776
01:38:56.800 --> 01:38:58.840
<v Speaker 2>Behind the lines, the untold stories of the sin say

1777
01:38:58.920 --> 01:39:04.119
<v Speaker 2>riots all so the man who saves Cincinnati promised Land,

1778
01:39:04.199 --> 01:39:08.000
<v Speaker 2>how the Midwest was one forbidden fruit, sin City, the

1779
01:39:08.119 --> 01:39:11.600
<v Speaker 2>underworld and the supper club inferno not in our town.

1780
01:39:11.680 --> 01:39:15.000
<v Speaker 2>The Queen City versus the King of Smut, which of

1781
01:39:15.039 --> 01:39:20.600
<v Speaker 2>course talks about hustler publisher Larry Flint and the whole.

1782
01:39:21.399 --> 01:39:24.359
<v Speaker 2>I mean, you even did the Cincinnati Art Museum, Maplethorpe

1783
01:39:24.359 --> 01:39:27.720
<v Speaker 2>thing in that one. It's all great stuff. Peter writes

1784
01:39:27.720 --> 01:39:29.079
<v Speaker 2>a hell of a book. They're all Day. You can

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01:39:29.079 --> 01:39:32.000
<v Speaker 2>get him at Chili Dogpress dot com. That's his publishing company,

1786
01:39:32.039 --> 01:39:34.319
<v Speaker 2>So I recommend you buy him from there, as opposed

1787
01:39:34.359 --> 01:39:36.560
<v Speaker 2>to getting him through wherever you might get him, like Amazon.

1788
01:39:36.640 --> 01:39:40.159
<v Speaker 2>But I can't recommend him enough. He writes a terrific

1789
01:39:40.199 --> 01:39:43.119
<v Speaker 2>book and a great storyteller you are, and you want to.

1790
01:39:43.159 --> 01:39:44.520
<v Speaker 1>I don't want you to give it up.

1791
01:39:44.560 --> 01:39:46.199
<v Speaker 2>And if you don't want to say anything, I know

1792
01:39:46.279 --> 01:39:48.000
<v Speaker 2>you're working on a new book.

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01:39:48.119 --> 01:39:50.399
<v Speaker 10>Yes I am, and I won't say anything.

1794
01:39:50.640 --> 01:39:52.920
<v Speaker 2>Okay, I won't give it up then, but you know

1795
01:39:52.920 --> 01:39:55.920
<v Speaker 2>it suspicious. This is going to be a fascinating book

1796
01:39:55.920 --> 01:39:57.680
<v Speaker 2>you got. I don't want to. I can't tease it

1797
01:39:57.760 --> 01:40:00.880
<v Speaker 2>too much because I'll give away this subject matter. But

1798
01:40:01.000 --> 01:40:04.720
<v Speaker 2>another really locally based story. And since we brought up

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01:40:04.760 --> 01:40:07.960
<v Speaker 2>Ken Lawson earlier in all his troubles, oh gosh, man,

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01:40:08.000 --> 01:40:10.359
<v Speaker 2>he had a really serious problem going on at the

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01:40:10.399 --> 01:40:11.000
<v Speaker 2>time of these.

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01:40:10.960 --> 01:40:13.399
<v Speaker 10>Riots, absolutely drug addiction.

1803
01:40:13.520 --> 01:40:15.079
<v Speaker 1>He's cleaned himself up, he has.

1804
01:40:15.159 --> 01:40:17.840
<v Speaker 10>The last time I talked to him, he was clean,

1805
01:40:18.039 --> 01:40:21.039
<v Speaker 10>had been for a long time. He was in Hawaii

1806
01:40:21.640 --> 01:40:25.199
<v Speaker 10>and he was practicing. He was teaching at the University

1807
01:40:25.199 --> 01:40:27.359
<v Speaker 10>of Hawaii, teaching legal ethics, which.

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01:40:27.399 --> 01:40:33.119
<v Speaker 2>It's just sounds hilarious. But the off air you mentioned,

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01:40:33.159 --> 01:40:34.800
<v Speaker 2>I think this is we're pointing out. Since we're closing

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01:40:34.880 --> 01:40:37.399
<v Speaker 2>out the segment here, Ken was one of the people

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01:40:37.479 --> 01:40:40.039
<v Speaker 2>at that law and Public safety meeting during the riot

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01:40:40.039 --> 01:40:40.359
<v Speaker 2>that he.

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<v Speaker 10>Was one of the instigators along with the Reverend Damon Lynch.

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01:40:43.640 --> 01:40:46.479
<v Speaker 2>He admitted to you at that time that he was,

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01:40:47.880 --> 01:40:48.640
<v Speaker 2>oh yeah.

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01:40:48.439 --> 01:40:53.319
<v Speaker 10>He was deep into his opioid addiction at that time

1817
01:40:54.039 --> 01:40:58.760
<v Speaker 10>and doing all kinds of terribly unethical and illegal things

1818
01:40:58.840 --> 01:41:02.159
<v Speaker 10>to keep feeding his hat. But when you watch the

1819
01:41:02.199 --> 01:41:04.279
<v Speaker 10>tape of that was I went back when I researched

1820
01:41:04.319 --> 01:41:08.079
<v Speaker 10>the book, Uh yeah, his behavior definitely backs that up.

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01:41:08.920 --> 01:41:09.520
<v Speaker 1>How about that?

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01:41:09.640 --> 01:41:13.680
<v Speaker 10>And he kept he knew better, and we now know

1823
01:41:13.800 --> 01:41:16.439
<v Speaker 10>that he did know better that the police couldn't release

1824
01:41:16.479 --> 01:41:19.239
<v Speaker 10>what he kept telling them he wanted to get and

1825
01:41:19.560 --> 01:41:21.720
<v Speaker 10>they couldn't do it. It was it was just not

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01:41:21.800 --> 01:41:27.199
<v Speaker 10>available or it was not legally proper, and so he

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01:41:27.319 --> 01:41:32.119
<v Speaker 10>kind of exploited the situation too to cause a lot

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01:41:32.159 --> 01:41:34.640
<v Speaker 10>of violence. And that's where the riot really erupted right

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01:41:34.680 --> 01:41:36.079
<v Speaker 10>there in law in public safety.

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01:41:36.359 --> 01:41:38.840
<v Speaker 2>What a shame anyway, read about in Peter's book. Peter,

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01:41:38.880 --> 01:41:40.279
<v Speaker 2>it's been a real pleasure. I can't thank you for

1832
01:41:40.359 --> 01:41:43.399
<v Speaker 2>coming to the studio and talks with It's always pleasure, man,

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01:41:43.560 --> 01:41:44.439
<v Speaker 2>You always enjoyed this.

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01:41:44.560 --> 01:41:45.560
<v Speaker 1>You're always welcome here.

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<v Speaker 4>Man.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll have something else to talk about real soon. I

1837
01:41:47.600 --> 01:41:49.319
<v Speaker 2>am certain seven to fifty five come up with some

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01:41:49.439 --> 01:41:52.840
<v Speaker 2>fifty six inside scoop. London Bureau Chief Oliver Lane returns

1839
01:41:52.840 --> 01:41:54.920
<v Speaker 2>to the program He's doing to Power You Seminar later

1840
01:41:54.960 --> 01:41:57.079
<v Speaker 2>this evening seven pm. For that what's going on in

1841
01:41:57.119 --> 01:41:59.800
<v Speaker 2>Europe and what it means for us. Daniel Davis deep

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<v Speaker 2>at the bottom of the next hour plus KRS cares

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01:42:02.760 --> 01:42:06.039
<v Speaker 2>with the fabulous cancer doctors from OHC Today doctor Joseph

1844
01:42:06.079 --> 01:42:09.439
<v Speaker 2>Shaughnessy in studio to talk about head and neck cancer.

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<v Speaker 1>Stick around to Shibato five.

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<v Speaker 2>At fifty five KRCV talk station. A very happy Tuesday

1847
01:42:17.359 --> 01:42:19.880
<v Speaker 2>to you. We're gonna get the Daniel Davis deve Die

1848
01:42:19.920 --> 01:42:21.479
<v Speaker 2>fin out what's going on between Russia and you curd

1849
01:42:21.520 --> 01:42:23.319
<v Speaker 2>to the bottom of the air in the meantime. Welcome back,

1850
01:42:23.359 --> 01:42:26.119
<v Speaker 2>and you should bookmark the website Breitbart b R E

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01:42:26.279 --> 01:42:29.079
<v Speaker 2>I T b A R T Breitbart dot com because

1852
01:42:29.079 --> 01:42:31.680
<v Speaker 2>when Oliver Lane's writing about things political, you're gonna want

1853
01:42:31.680 --> 01:42:33.239
<v Speaker 2>to read them. Welcome back to the fifty five KRC

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<v Speaker 2>Morning Show, London Bureau Chief Oliver Lane, who is doing

1855
01:42:36.399 --> 01:42:40.039
<v Speaker 2>and empower You Seminar tonight seven pm. Log in from

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<v Speaker 2>the comfort of your own home, just registered empower you

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<v Speaker 2>America dot org.

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<v Speaker 1>To do it.

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<v Speaker 2>You're going to want to hear this presentation. Oliver, welcome

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01:42:47.640 --> 01:42:49.439
<v Speaker 2>back to the Morning Show. It's always a pleasure talking

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<v Speaker 2>with you.

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<v Speaker 11>Well, thank you for a fantastic introduction.

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<v Speaker 4>It's great to be back.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, you know, I appreciate this subject matter. What's happening

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01:42:56.520 --> 01:42:58.199
<v Speaker 2>in Europe and what am I to portend to the

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01:42:58.279 --> 01:43:02.560
<v Speaker 2>United States subheading. While authoritarian to authoritarianism has been on

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<v Speaker 2>the rise among the political class, a populist reaction is

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01:43:06.279 --> 01:43:08.680
<v Speaker 2>taking place in response. I mean, I guess I should

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01:43:08.680 --> 01:43:11.800
<v Speaker 2>start up by saying, Oliver, what did they our political

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<v Speaker 2>elites expect when they opened the borders in the European Union?

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<v Speaker 2>And then we felt the same thing. Mostly under the

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<v Speaker 2>Biden administration open the borders, you had this unchecked, amazing

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<v Speaker 2>inflow of immigrants with no connection to your political culture,

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<v Speaker 2>no collection, no collection to your culture. Generally speaking, things

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01:43:31.720 --> 01:43:35.039
<v Speaker 2>got pretty bad and people started looking around in Italy,

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01:43:35.119 --> 01:43:38.239
<v Speaker 2>in France and the UK and Germany like, wait a second,

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01:43:38.760 --> 01:43:41.399
<v Speaker 2>what what happened to our country? We're not the same

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01:43:41.600 --> 01:43:44.520
<v Speaker 2>country we used to be. Our culture has been completely eroded,

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01:43:44.520 --> 01:43:47.760
<v Speaker 2>our cities are overrun. The criminal element in the criminal

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01:43:47.840 --> 01:43:50.279
<v Speaker 2>the amount of crime has gone through the roof. Of course,

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<v Speaker 2>there's going to be a populist revolt to that. Isn't

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01:43:52.760 --> 01:43:54.479
<v Speaker 2>that just sort of a natural reaction?

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<v Speaker 1>Oliver, Well, what you.

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<v Speaker 11>Couldn't see when you said, what exactly.

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<v Speaker 4>Did they expect?

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<v Speaker 11>Was me grinning from here to wear, because that is

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<v Speaker 11>the best possible question you could ask, and I wish

1888
01:44:04.800 --> 01:44:07.359
<v Speaker 11>I had an answer for you. What did they expect exactly?

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01:44:07.720 --> 01:44:10.920
<v Speaker 11>When you force upon people who in countries across Europe

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01:44:11.000 --> 01:44:13.359
<v Speaker 11>and probably in the United States as well, who have

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01:44:13.520 --> 01:44:18.159
<v Speaker 11>voted against mass migration again and again and again, election

1892
01:44:18.359 --> 01:44:22.000
<v Speaker 11>after election for decades, and no matter actually the result

1893
01:44:22.039 --> 01:44:24.079
<v Speaker 11>of the election, you always get the same thing, which

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01:44:24.119 --> 01:44:26.720
<v Speaker 11>is more and more open borders. So what we have

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<v Speaker 11>so called is this populous uprising, which is of course

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01:44:30.640 --> 01:44:35.840
<v Speaker 11>an entirely natural counter reaction to elite overreach because they

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01:44:35.840 --> 01:44:38.279
<v Speaker 11>decided they could do whatever it is they wanted, no

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01:44:38.359 --> 01:44:42.640
<v Speaker 11>matter how the people advised them, in the endless elections

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<v Speaker 11>that we have in these wonderful democracies, which are democracies

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01:44:46.319 --> 01:44:49.760
<v Speaker 11>that hurt, and they're in trouble because if you have

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01:44:49.840 --> 01:44:52.319
<v Speaker 11>a situation where people vote again and again to stop

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01:44:52.359 --> 01:44:54.600
<v Speaker 11>something and it doesn't happen, then well, is that.

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01:44:54.640 --> 01:44:55.920
<v Speaker 4>A democracy worth the name?

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<v Speaker 11>So it's good and it's healthy, and it's a natural

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<v Speaker 11>reaction that we have these as I say, so called

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01:45:01.920 --> 01:45:07.159
<v Speaker 11>populis reactions in Europe and in the United States, and

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01:45:07.239 --> 01:45:09.560
<v Speaker 11>I certainly think a President Trump is a part of that.

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01:45:10.199 --> 01:45:13.800
<v Speaker 11>And in terms of encouraging your fine listeners to tune

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01:45:13.840 --> 01:45:16.720
<v Speaker 11>into this empower you seminar to item is going to

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<v Speaker 11>be a short talk followed by questions, and I'm really

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<v Speaker 11>looking forward to those questions. That's obviously always the best part.

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<v Speaker 11>But the thing that you're going to have to tune

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<v Speaker 11>into here is why I think populism is a bad

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<v Speaker 11>word and one that we shouldn't use on the.

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<v Speaker 2>Right fair enough, and I'm sure you'll provide a wonderful

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<v Speaker 2>explanation of it, and maybe an alternative term to use

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<v Speaker 2>when we're referring to what is this, wait a second,

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<v Speaker 2>what about us mentality? Our government has seemed to just

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01:45:43.720 --> 01:45:48.279
<v Speaker 2>turned its back on its own people, And yeah, you can,

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<v Speaker 2>I think clearly connect the dots to this concept of

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<v Speaker 2>this globalist, one world government. They view independent countries as bad.

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<v Speaker 2>They want one size fits all, they want to control

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<v Speaker 2>us all and it's it seems to me that this

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<v Speaker 2>importation of literally millions and millions of people into otherwise

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01:46:05.760 --> 01:46:10.319
<v Speaker 2>stable areas has an erosion effect on that. If you

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01:46:10.359 --> 01:46:12.199
<v Speaker 2>import a bunch of people from the Middle East into

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01:46:12.199 --> 01:46:14.920
<v Speaker 2>the European Union, they don't care about the borders of

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01:46:15.000 --> 01:46:20.039
<v Speaker 2>Germany or the UK or Italy. It just means nothing

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<v Speaker 2>to them. They have no roots and no connection or

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<v Speaker 2>foundation with it. So if they were eradicated, they don't

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<v Speaker 2>care as long as they have a place to eat

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<v Speaker 2>in someone feeding them. I suppose whatever you got by

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<v Speaker 2>way of government is fine with them, because they've all

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<v Speaker 2>grown up under authoritarian regimes.

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<v Speaker 11>Anyway, a real cynic might argue there's an element of

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<v Speaker 11>divide and rules of this. If you have a country

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<v Speaker 11>that has, for instance, two predominant factors or two predominant

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<v Speaker 11>factions I should say, be they based on faith, or

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01:46:49.439 --> 01:46:52.399
<v Speaker 11>based on skin color, or based on class or anything

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<v Speaker 11>like that, that's a perfect situation for civil uprising, for unrest,

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01:46:58.199 --> 01:46:59.560
<v Speaker 11>for civil war, even which.

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<v Speaker 4>Are horrible words and not things.

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<v Speaker 11>We'd like to think about, because you have two groups

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<v Speaker 11>that are powerful enough to fight, and if you want

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01:47:08.199 --> 01:47:14.079
<v Speaker 11>to have a peaceful country from position of an authoritarian.

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01:47:14.600 --> 01:47:17.039
<v Speaker 11>It's far better to have a country with a great

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<v Speaker 11>many small groups, none of whom are powerful enough to

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<v Speaker 11>do anything. They're too busy bickering amongst themselves.

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<v Speaker 4>You can then divide and rule.

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<v Speaker 11>And when I look at the very diverse way in

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<v Speaker 11>which our countries are being changed, as I say, a

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01:47:30.760 --> 01:47:35.560
<v Speaker 11>real cynic might argue that this produces a situation in

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<v Speaker 11>the for instance, European states, which where elite control is

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01:47:41.039 --> 01:47:42.359
<v Speaker 11>rendered much easier.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, yes, I can certainly draw, draw the dots or

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<v Speaker 1>connect the dots together.

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<v Speaker 4>It on that. Now.

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<v Speaker 2>The other component of this is, and you know, we

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<v Speaker 2>face this struggle here in the United States, where I think,

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<v Speaker 2>culturally speaking, we prided ourselves, you know, on this Melting

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<v Speaker 2>Pod concert. We had Irish, we had English, we had Germans,

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<v Speaker 2>we had Hispanics, we have all these different subgroups of cultures.

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<v Speaker 2>But coming here with the freedom and ability and liberty

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<v Speaker 2>to do as they choose, work under this umbrella of

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<v Speaker 2>freedom without too much government control over their lives. It

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01:48:16.239 --> 01:48:20.640
<v Speaker 2>was really a motivation to draw people and that all

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01:48:20.680 --> 01:48:23.960
<v Speaker 2>worked for us, except in modern times with social media.

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<v Speaker 2>And this is the point I'm gonnatimately get to, that

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<v Speaker 2>division can be created, and you start putting in divisive elements.

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<v Speaker 2>It starts breaking these otherwise cohesive under the banner of freedom,

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01:48:38.640 --> 01:48:42.039
<v Speaker 2>people who could peacefully live together. And you start saying, no,

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<v Speaker 2>you're in Asian America. No you're in Irish America. No

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01:48:44.840 --> 01:48:47.640
<v Speaker 2>you're an African American, and then you drive a wedge

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<v Speaker 2>between otherwise peaceful groups. That's how you get this division

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<v Speaker 2>that we're talking about, and even under a banner of freedom,

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<v Speaker 2>it ends up collapsing on itself.

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<v Speaker 11>Yes, I think there are two distinct elements here, because,

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<v Speaker 11>of course, in the past, the United States has had

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<v Speaker 11>these actually quite considerable waves of migration. Historically going back

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<v Speaker 11>the past two hundred and fifty years, first British migrants predominantly,

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<v Speaker 11>and I think if you look at the numbers now

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<v Speaker 11>even now, the English settlers are the largest legacy.

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<v Speaker 4>White group, followed very closely by the Germans.

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<v Speaker 11>You had the Germans, and you had the Italians, and

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01:49:21.520 --> 01:49:24.880
<v Speaker 11>you had the Norwegians and the Swedish who settled in the.

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<v Speaker 4>North of the United States of America.

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<v Speaker 11>But always after these arrivals, it seems there's an automatic response,

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<v Speaker 11>a self healing instinct in the United States that when

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<v Speaker 11>you have a sudden large arrival. You manage that then

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<v Speaker 11>by actually having a period where the borders are closed

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<v Speaker 11>and that group, which is not constantly being reinforced with

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01:49:46.600 --> 01:49:50.399
<v Speaker 11>new migrants arriving from abroad, is forced to integrate and

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01:49:50.479 --> 01:49:52.680
<v Speaker 11>actually has to become part of the American dream.

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<v Speaker 4>And that's worked very well in the past.

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<v Speaker 11>And the problem that we have now, as you absolutely

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<v Speaker 11>rightly identify with the emergency, say, social media, which is

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<v Speaker 11>great in so many ways and is a fantastic tool

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<v Speaker 11>for fighting back against globalization, against the lead capture because

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<v Speaker 11>it allows people like you and me to trade information

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<v Speaker 11>so freely. The other side of that coin, the issue

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<v Speaker 11>to be dealt with is it also allows getivization because

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01:50:20.479 --> 01:50:24.720
<v Speaker 11>those new communities that arise never have to experience life

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<v Speaker 11>outside of their own social milieu. There's never any pressure

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<v Speaker 11>to integrate into American society, to participate in.

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01:50:33.199 --> 01:50:35.359
<v Speaker 4>The traditional American dream, because if you're.

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<v Speaker 11>A newly alrived migrant, you can do everything online in

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01:50:38.479 --> 01:50:40.920
<v Speaker 11>your own language with people who talk and think like you.

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<v Speaker 4>Why would you have done anything else?

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<v Speaker 2>And then you also have authoritarian governments who try to

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<v Speaker 2>crack down on what they deem to be offensive or

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<v Speaker 2>hurtful comments, and they curtail speech and don't prevent or

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<v Speaker 2>don't allow for the free exercise and exchange of thoughts

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<v Speaker 2>and ideas. And that to me is I mean, in

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<v Speaker 2>the United States, we have a really, really well protected

2015
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<v Speaker 2>freedom of speech here, But when I look over the

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<v Speaker 2>pond and I see what goes on in the European Union,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, you can you jail people for what someone

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<v Speaker 2>deems offensive or hurtful, and it just runs such a

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<v Speaker 2>foul to our traditional notions of free speech.

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<v Speaker 11>Yes, well, the way I think of this is this,

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<v Speaker 11>when we have discussions and I'm going on a bit.

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<v Speaker 4>Of a tangent here, I hope you'll forgive me.

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<v Speaker 11>But when we have discussions now about the future of

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<v Speaker 11>artificial intelligence, we say, one of the problems that we

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<v Speaker 11>have with our future computer overlords is that whoever programs

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<v Speaker 11>them gets the sway on where they go. So if

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<v Speaker 11>a computer's greatest good, it's the highest possible moral outcome

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<v Speaker 11>for them, is that there's you know, never any racism

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<v Speaker 11>or you know, transgender people are never misgendered. As the

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<v Speaker 11>example goes, then the computer, the artificial intelligence might do

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<v Speaker 11>things that ordinary people find might totally abhorrent, totally terrible

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<v Speaker 11>to uphold those standards. So if the computer thinks that

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<v Speaker 11>somebody not being misgendered is a higher moral good than

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<v Speaker 11>a misgendering individual, say an ordinary person being shot, then

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<v Speaker 11>the computer will choose to shoot the person who's committing

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<v Speaker 11>that fault crime. Now, when I look at the way

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<v Speaker 11>that our political elites, which are now being dismantled by

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<v Speaker 11>the popular st uprisings we have in Europe and the US,

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<v Speaker 11>I look at them, I think these people are not

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<v Speaker 11>actually much more intelligent than a stupid AI computer software

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<v Speaker 11>as a whole. The way they think and collectively they

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<v Speaker 11>decide what their their greatest goods are, their their their

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<v Speaker 11>moral imperatives, and that might be that the greatest moral

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<v Speaker 11>good this government can deliver is that we don't have intercommunal,

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<v Speaker 11>intercommunity strife. So there's no riots between different ethnic groups

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<v Speaker 11>in the United States. And as long as we're achieving that, which,

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<v Speaker 11>let's be honest between you and I, that is definitely

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<v Speaker 11>a good outcome. Nobody wants that, right, But if that's

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<v Speaker 11>your highest moral good, then you will stop at nothing

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<v Speaker 11>into that, even if that means putting essentially normal well

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<v Speaker 11>meeting people in prison, just in case they do a

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<v Speaker 11>little naughty wrong thing.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, in terms of the makeup of the European Union,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean it's almost as if you have a version

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<v Speaker 2>of the United States, you have Degreece, you have Germany,

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<v Speaker 2>you have Italy, of all these different countries under the

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<v Speaker 2>larger banner of the European Union. Now has that resulted,

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<v Speaker 2>because it seems from my perspective, it's resulted in the

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<v Speaker 2>erosion of the autonomy of any given country to go

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<v Speaker 2>in a different direction. Oh no, no, Brussels says you

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<v Speaker 2>can't do that, And therefore any election in France maybe

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't bring about the outcome that the French people want

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<v Speaker 2>out of an election because they have this bigger power

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<v Speaker 2>tone than what they can and cannot do. Have I

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<v Speaker 2>kind of got that right a little bit.

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<v Speaker 11>Yeah, Absolutely, the United State of the European Union wants

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<v Speaker 11>to be like the United States. The political I keep

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<v Speaker 11>on using this friend that praise. The political le have

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<v Speaker 11>to forgive me for sounding like the broken record that

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<v Speaker 11>we have in Brussels and Strong which are the centers

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<v Speaker 11>of power for the European Union, they look at the

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<v Speaker 11>US with envy. They want that power. They want to

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<v Speaker 11>be the federal government for Europe. They're not quite, but

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<v Speaker 11>they're getting there in terms of the impact this has

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<v Speaker 11>on order with Europeans, You're completely right and it is

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<v Speaker 11>an enormous issue. So if we look at the United Kingdom,

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<v Speaker 11>for instance, post Brexit, we have recently left the European Union,

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<v Speaker 11>so we no longer have the EU limiting what we

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<v Speaker 11>can do. And it's actually very interesting to witness essentially

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<v Speaker 11>how mentally stunted the British political class is because they've

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<v Speaker 11>had fifty years where they've never actually had to make

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<v Speaker 11>any decisions because every single item of consequence is decided abroad.

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<v Speaker 11>It's imposed. All you're doing, really and that was this

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<v Speaker 11>is how the saying went. It was government by facts.

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<v Speaker 11>You're being faxed laws from the European Union and your

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<v Speaker 11>only job as a legislator was to implement those laws

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<v Speaker 11>into your own system. So we now have this situation

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<v Speaker 11>where the entire political class has grown up in a

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<v Speaker 11>world where they never have to think, they never have

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<v Speaker 11>to inn evade because it's always done on their behalf.

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<v Speaker 4>And I think actually we're in a.

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<v Speaker 11>Bit of a situation because it's going to take an

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<v Speaker 11>entire generation the people who are capable of independent thought.

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<v Speaker 11>They're teenagers now, the people just getting into politics for

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<v Speaker 11>the first time, just thinking about the way the world works,

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<v Speaker 11>and why the people who are going to be the

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<v Speaker 11>government ministers, the activists, the prime ministers in.

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<v Speaker 4>Thirty or forty years, that's how long it's going to take,

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<v Speaker 4>I think, to escape from this.

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<v Speaker 11>And if you look at and this is not just

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<v Speaker 11>a UK thing, this is all across Europe.

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<v Speaker 4>The present generation.

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<v Speaker 11>Of politicians that we have are afraid of power. They

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<v Speaker 11>rejected and the best possible proof of this totally you

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<v Speaker 11>cannot contradict.

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<v Speaker 4>It in my view, is you look at the way

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<v Speaker 4>the UK works.

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<v Speaker 11>The government still doesn't make decisions. Every possible area of

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<v Speaker 11>competence is farmed out to non government rather non ministerial organizations.

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<v Speaker 4>We call them quangos.

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<v Speaker 11>So if you know, if you want to make a

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<v Speaker 11>decision on prisons, the minister doesn't make a decision and

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<v Speaker 11>have it implemented like you're do In the US, the

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<v Speaker 11>president signs a piece of paper by presidential decree.

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<v Speaker 4>This thing happens.

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<v Speaker 11>They say, Okay, we recognize there as a problem the

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<v Speaker 11>prison system. We're going to call for a report, an

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<v Speaker 11>inquiry from an arms length body and they'll tell.

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<v Speaker 4>Us what to do.

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<v Speaker 11>And actually every single area of government is run like this.

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<v Speaker 4>And we remember not.

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<v Speaker 11>Perhaps the world's greatest example, we remember Liz Trust, the

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01:56:35.439 --> 01:56:40.359
<v Speaker 11>very short lived British prime minister. Conservative Party, came in

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<v Speaker 11>said we need to change things. The way the international

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01:56:43.319 --> 01:56:46.760
<v Speaker 11>monetary system works, the way government debt works, everything, it's

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<v Speaker 11>all broken.

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<v Speaker 4>And we want to change it.

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<v Speaker 11>And all these little organizations that the government has created

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<v Speaker 11>over the past forty years. When no, you didn't ask us,

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<v Speaker 11>we don't agree. And with that the government collapsed instantly

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<v Speaker 11>because this network of allizations have been created to control

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<v Speaker 11>the government did not give its consent. It's going to

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<v Speaker 11>take a lot of work to get beyond that, but

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<v Speaker 11>I very very believe it's possible.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, i'll tell you what, Oliver Lane. Now you'd be

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<v Speaker 2>surprised how similar we are to written in that regard.

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<v Speaker 2>We call them non governmental organizations, quite often funded by

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<v Speaker 2>very large left wing dollars and the taxpayer dollars. We

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<v Speaker 2>have a very similar political situation. Lots of the work

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<v Speaker 2>gets farmed out to these crazy organizations, and politicians tend

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<v Speaker 2>to not do what they're well elected to do. It's

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<v Speaker 2>going to be a fantastic conversation. Empower Youamerica dot org,

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01:57:37.479 --> 01:57:40.479
<v Speaker 2>register from home, tune in, make sure they're at seven pm.

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<v Speaker 2>Oliver Lane's going to give you a mucher, larger and

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<v Speaker 2>broader presentation on these and the opportunity to ask him questions. Oliver,

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<v Speaker 2>it's always great talking with you do such a wonderful job.

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<v Speaker 2>I'll look forward to our next discussion here at fifty

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<v Speaker 2>five krs the.

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<v Speaker 4>Talk station, and so that's not it's been a pleasure.

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<v Speaker 2>It's always mine as well. A twenty at fifty five

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<v Speaker 2>ks the talk station, Peter Shriek, it's a thirty one

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<v Speaker 2>if you have k CED talk station communication breakdown with

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<v Speaker 2>Jrstreker not in. And this isn't a criticism of Sean McMahon,

2154
01:58:10.600 --> 01:58:13.640
<v Speaker 2>but normally get a video feed hook up with Daniel L. Davis,

2155
01:58:13.680 --> 01:58:15.880
<v Speaker 2>and that was not arranged ahead of time, and he's

2156
01:58:15.920 --> 01:58:18.079
<v Speaker 2>not picking up the phone the phone number we got,

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01:58:18.159 --> 01:58:22.560
<v Speaker 2>so maybe won't do it. But Shawn's busy working trying

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<v Speaker 2>to hook up with Daniel Davis. So I'm really curious

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<v Speaker 2>to find out what the hell's going on with the

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<v Speaker 2>Ukraine and Russia situation, which we normally get to do. However,

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<v Speaker 2>this will give me an opportunity to mention two things.

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<v Speaker 2>One thing reminder, Corey Bowman's kickoff. It's early voting now

2163
01:58:36.079 --> 01:58:39.119
<v Speaker 2>for the city of Cincinnati. You got a primary going on.

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01:58:39.199 --> 01:58:41.359
<v Speaker 2>Corey Bowman seems like a good guy. He is an

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<v Speaker 2>alternative to Aft tab provol I think he's the well,

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<v Speaker 2>the leading and outstanding Canada on the Republican side of

2167
01:58:48.239 --> 01:58:50.239
<v Speaker 2>the lodger. He's been on the program quite a few times,

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<v Speaker 2>gotten to know him, and I think he's a good man,

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01:58:52.920 --> 01:58:56.920
<v Speaker 2>which you know from It Loves Cincinnati, that's for darn sure.

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<v Speaker 2>So Corey Bowman's fund or not a fundraiser. It's a

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01:58:59.479 --> 01:59:03.079
<v Speaker 2>meet and greet campaign or voting early voting kickoff, I

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<v Speaker 2>guess is more properly named Price Hill Chili beginning at

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<v Speaker 2>five PM this evening, five to seven, which then will

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<v Speaker 2>give you time to make it from Price l Chili

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<v Speaker 2>over to CVEG. Why do you want to be at

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<v Speaker 2>CVG tonight at nine to five, probably a little bit

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<v Speaker 2>beforehand on terminal on level C. You want to be

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<v Speaker 2>there for the return of the honor flight. You feel

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<v Speaker 2>in a lack of patriotism, you feeling a little maybe

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<v Speaker 2>like you want to support America's military, you want to

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<v Speaker 2>give those Vietnam veterans a pat on the back, because

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<v Speaker 2>they didn't get one when they came back from Vietnam.

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<v Speaker 2>Regardless of how you feel about the propriety of Vietnam

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<v Speaker 2>as a conflict, I think most of them really didn't

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<v Speaker 2>necessarily I don't know if it's most or a half

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<v Speaker 2>or a percentage of them. Quite often men and women

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<v Speaker 2>who serve in America's military don't necessarily cotonto or appreciate

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01:59:54.039 --> 01:59:56.680
<v Speaker 2>the reasons motivations for being there. But you know what

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<v Speaker 2>they do the job, They step up to the plate,

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<v Speaker 2>They serve their country. And when the Vietnam veterans came back,

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of them people got and got spit on.

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<v Speaker 2>A lot of them couldn't wear their uniform anywhere. And

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<v Speaker 2>you think being deprived of the right to wear a

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<v Speaker 2>uniform that you proudly wore, only to be viewed as

2195
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<v Speaker 2>a murderer and baby killer by the likes of Jane Fonda.

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<v Speaker 2>You didn't get a military parade. But I think we

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<v Speaker 2>all learned a valuable lesson from that terrible behavior that so.

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<v Speaker 1>Many people engaged in.

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<v Speaker 2>When the Vietnam veterans returned, and that plane that's going

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<v Speaker 2>to be coming back to Cveg tonight again right around

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<v Speaker 2>nine o'clock is going to be packed, or rather is

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<v Speaker 2>packed with Vietnam veteran era era veterans. I talk with

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<v Speaker 2>sub Mariner or Submarine or Mike Cribbage Mike this morning.

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<v Speaker 2>He was there for the sendoff. Andrew pappis former Anderson

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<v Speaker 2>Township trustees on the plane as well, and so they're

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<v Speaker 2>going to be there. But it is an uplifting, perhaps

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02:00:52.319 --> 02:00:57.239
<v Speaker 2>allergy inspiring kind of thing, but it's well worth going.

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<v Speaker 2>And if you've got young people in your world, bring

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<v Speaker 2>them along. It's a wonderful patriotic display. So I've been

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<v Speaker 2>a couple of honor flights, and I'm telling you it's

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<v Speaker 2>a moving thing. So if honorflight Tristate dot org where

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<v Speaker 2>all the information is. But today is the first one

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<v Speaker 2>of the season. May twenty first will be the next one.

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<v Speaker 2>That's Wednesday, May twenty first, and then the two be

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<v Speaker 2>determined ones are in September and October. But if you

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<v Speaker 2>can put it down on your calendar to show up

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<v Speaker 2>at least at the welcome home rally, I think you

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<v Speaker 2>will find it is well worth your time and effort,

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<v Speaker 2>and there will be a heapload of people there, a

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<v Speaker 2>heap blow of people. It's always very well attended. So

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<v Speaker 2>no success with Daniel Davis. My apologies for that, and

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<v Speaker 2>I feel badly because I was looking forward to talking

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<v Speaker 2>to him this morning as well. So we'll get to

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<v Speaker 2>hear from Daniel Davis next week. Keep my fingers crossed

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<v Speaker 2>on that. Peter Browns was in studio for an hour

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<v Speaker 2>that will ultimately be on the podcast pageifty five KRSEE

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<v Speaker 2>dot com. Since Joe's out, that hasn't been updated yet,

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<v Speaker 2>so the guests from yesterday aren't up, including well my

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<v Speaker 2>conversation with Christopher Smithman, which is always a quite enjoyable

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<v Speaker 2>one as well. Uh, don't go away. We're gonna be

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<v Speaker 2>learning about head and neck cancer doctor Joseph Shaughnessy from OHC.

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<v Speaker 2>They're my cancer doctors and he's one of the great

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<v Speaker 2>ones at OHC talking about head and net cancer. We'll

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<v Speaker 2>learn all about that coming up. I hope you can

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<v Speaker 2>stick around. Colm eight thirty seven come up in a

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<v Speaker 2>thirty eight here fifty five KRCD talk station Brian Thomas

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<v Speaker 2>with one of the good doctors from OHC my cancer doctors. Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm getting my ct scandiday and keep my fingers crossed

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<v Speaker 2>because I've got low spectrum lymphoma. But today we're gonna

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<v Speaker 2>be talking about head and net cancer. Why because it's

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<v Speaker 2>Head and Neck Cancer Month in studio to talk about that,

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<v Speaker 2>doctor Joseph Shaughnessy. And just so you know, because you're

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<v Speaker 2>gonna want to get the number down, it's ohcare dot

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<v Speaker 2>com online ohcare dot com eight eight eight six four

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<v Speaker 2>nine hundred for initial consultation for second opinion.

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<v Speaker 1>To be glad you're talking to him. They're outstanding doctors.

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome to the morning show, doctor Joseph, Joseph Shaughnessy.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a pleasure to have you here.

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<v Speaker 10>Thank you so much for having me.

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<v Speaker 2>And you've got a well let's see here proof positive

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<v Speaker 2>in my hands radiation on collages with interest including breast cancer,

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<v Speaker 2>head and neck cancer, lung cancer, prostate cancer, gastor intestinal cancer,

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<v Speaker 2>and skin cancer.

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<v Speaker 1>Broad field of work you do there, doctor.

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<v Speaker 12>Yeah, that's kind of the nature of what I do

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<v Speaker 12>out in the community. You know, see a broad spectrum

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<v Speaker 12>of cases and yeah, that's just kind of the nature

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<v Speaker 12>of our day to day operation.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, let us initially establish what exactly is head

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<v Speaker 2>and net cancer. What comprises head and net cancer.

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<v Speaker 12>It's basically any cancer that starts above the clavicles. So

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<v Speaker 12>any cancer that arises in the head and neck region

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<v Speaker 12>outside of the brain in the eye, those are normally

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<v Speaker 12>not included in this group of cancers. So that could

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<v Speaker 12>be a tonsil cancer, the back of the throat they

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<v Speaker 12>call it, the base of tongue, anywhere in the mouth

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<v Speaker 12>region or the gums, the voice box otherwise known as

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<v Speaker 12>the larynx. It can include the thyroid, and then even

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<v Speaker 12>skin cancers in the head and neck region. And then

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<v Speaker 12>there's some other rare cancers like the nasal passages or

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<v Speaker 12>the nasopharynx.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, when I just had to dwelmost briefly skin cancer

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<v Speaker 2>in the head and neck region, that will be exterior

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<v Speaker 2>on your neck, that would still fall into your area

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<v Speaker 2>of practice or head and neck cancer.

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<v Speaker 12>Yeah, exactly, Okay, And then you know it can start

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<v Speaker 12>in the head and neck area on the external scan,

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<v Speaker 12>and then it could involve the lymph nodes underneath.

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<v Speaker 2>Or fair enough, fair enough because be pasty Northern European

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<v Speaker 2>descentate white guy that's had multiple severe burns when he

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<v Speaker 2>was a child. I have a regular standing visit with

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<v Speaker 2>a dermatologist annually because Dad had a lot of removals

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<v Speaker 2>over the years, he spent a lot of time outside.

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<v Speaker 2>So just a little fun advice. If you want to

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<v Speaker 2>get an appointment with a dermatologists then you might fuck

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<v Speaker 2>you find yourself fall into that category. Not to speak

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<v Speaker 2>out of turn, doctor scheduled appointment now, because it's going

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<v Speaker 2>to be a long time before you can get in

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<v Speaker 2>with the dermatologist.

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<v Speaker 10>Yeah, often six.

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<v Speaker 1>I know, I know, it's crazy, it's just crazy. Anyway.

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<v Speaker 2>Is any one of those various cancers you talked about

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<v Speaker 2>within the head and net cancer room more predominant than others,

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02:05:08.439 --> 02:05:11.239
<v Speaker 2>like a softly deal cancer or the larynx or.

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<v Speaker 12>I would say, so, there's this category called the oropharynx,

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<v Speaker 12>that's the tonsils and the back of the tongue. That

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<v Speaker 12>is probably the most common side of origin. And then

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<v Speaker 12>second behind that is probably the voice box. Diyrog cancer

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02:05:26.520 --> 02:05:28.600
<v Speaker 12>is also a very common cancer, but that's kind of

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<v Speaker 12>in its own group and not kind of really often

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<v Speaker 12>the focus when they're talking about how net cancer, but

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<v Speaker 12>it is grouped into that as well.

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<v Speaker 2>Do these cancers that you went down thyroid do they

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02:05:40.199 --> 02:05:45.159
<v Speaker 2>carry with themselves different like risk factors Like I've read

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm state in the obvious, I think most people

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<v Speaker 2>are paying attention. Smoking, of course, and alcohol consumption can

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02:05:52.560 --> 02:05:54.960
<v Speaker 2>also lead to throat cancers.

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<v Speaker 10>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 12>Absolutely, you hit the nail on the head there. Alcohol

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<v Speaker 12>and various forms of tobacco exposure, probably in some way,

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02:06:04.319 --> 02:06:07.119
<v Speaker 12>shape or form, account for seventy to seventy five percent

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02:06:07.319 --> 02:06:11.880
<v Speaker 12>of these cancers. So yeah, those are a both very

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<v Speaker 12>well known risk factors and both modifiable risk factors. And

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<v Speaker 12>it's also important to note, you know, if you partake

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02:06:19.199 --> 02:06:23.600
<v Speaker 12>in those things, cutting back or abstinence altogether can still

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02:06:23.680 --> 02:06:26.159
<v Speaker 12>markedly reduce your risk of cancer in the long term.

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<v Speaker 12>So it's not like the damage is already done. Some

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<v Speaker 12>people think, Okay, I smoked my whole life, or I've

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02:06:31.239 --> 02:06:34.159
<v Speaker 12>been drinking excessively for a long time. You know, I've

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02:06:34.199 --> 02:06:37.560
<v Speaker 12>already assigned myself that permanent risk factor. If you can,

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02:06:37.920 --> 02:06:40.479
<v Speaker 12>if you can scale back, you can reduce you It's

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02:06:40.520 --> 02:06:43.960
<v Speaker 12>never too late to quit, exactly right. It six never

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02:06:43.960 --> 02:06:48.199
<v Speaker 12>too late to convert salvation. Maybe around the corner you

2324
02:06:48.199 --> 02:06:53.439
<v Speaker 12>maybe it'll avoid this type of thing. Well, how about infections? Yeah,

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02:06:53.479 --> 02:06:56.800
<v Speaker 12>so that's the other big kind of driver of these cancers.

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<v Speaker 12>HPV infection. That's short for human power bloma virus. It's

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02:07:01.560 --> 02:07:05.279
<v Speaker 12>a family of viruses. They're very common. They cause all

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02:07:05.319 --> 02:07:08.199
<v Speaker 12>sorts of things from like run of the mill warts,

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02:07:09.279 --> 02:07:11.760
<v Speaker 12>but there are a few more serious types such as

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02:07:11.880 --> 02:07:12.960
<v Speaker 12>HPV sixteen.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh and you know these these they like COVID nineteen

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02:07:16.920 --> 02:07:18.560
<v Speaker 1>except HPV form no.

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<v Speaker 12>But yeah, you know, when they discover these viruses, they

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02:07:21.880 --> 02:07:24.119
<v Speaker 12>just assign a number to them, kind of in order

2335
02:07:24.119 --> 02:07:28.279
<v Speaker 12>of when they discover them. But it most people, it's

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02:07:28.279 --> 02:07:29.399
<v Speaker 12>still a very common virus.

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<v Speaker 1>Most everybody's got it.

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<v Speaker 12>Yeah, most people have been exposed in some way, shape

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02:07:33.960 --> 02:07:35.600
<v Speaker 12>or form, and then your body just gets rid of

2340
02:07:35.600 --> 02:07:37.880
<v Speaker 12>it and it's not an issue, and then it's just gone.

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02:07:37.960 --> 02:07:41.640
<v Speaker 12>But a very small percentage of people don't clear it,

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02:07:41.920 --> 02:07:44.119
<v Speaker 12>and it kind of festers and it can cause kind

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02:07:44.119 --> 02:07:48.119
<v Speaker 12>of chronic inflammation and eventually cause a regular cell division,

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02:07:48.119 --> 02:07:49.279
<v Speaker 12>and then it causes the cancer.

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02:07:49.359 --> 02:07:52.680
<v Speaker 2>So it acts in the same way HPV acts on

2346
02:07:52.760 --> 02:07:56.479
<v Speaker 2>cervical cancer. If you have HPV or serveral cancer is

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02:07:56.560 --> 02:08:00.680
<v Speaker 2>quite often, if not predominantly, caused by an HPV infection exactly.

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02:08:00.800 --> 02:08:03.680
<v Speaker 12>That's it's the exact same mechanism, it's the same family,

2349
02:08:03.760 --> 02:08:05.880
<v Speaker 12>it's the same virus as even the same high risk

2350
02:08:07.239 --> 02:08:10.319
<v Speaker 12>HPV forms that cause cervical cancer can cause neck cancers.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, And not to get too graphic or specific, but

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02:08:13.520 --> 02:08:17.640
<v Speaker 2>the mechanism by which one might contract HPV and end

2353
02:08:17.720 --> 02:08:22.960
<v Speaker 2>up with throat cancer sort of acts in the same

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02:08:22.960 --> 02:08:26.399
<v Speaker 2>way as you get it when you end up contracting

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02:08:26.439 --> 02:08:27.319
<v Speaker 2>cervical cancer.

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02:08:27.479 --> 02:08:29.800
<v Speaker 12>Yeah, I mean, okay, direct contact and.

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02:08:30.319 --> 02:08:33.880
<v Speaker 2>Mouth and yeah, right, okay, So it's a sexually transmitted virus.

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02:08:33.920 --> 02:08:36.720
<v Speaker 2>It's a sexually transmitted virus, Okay, regardless where it lands up.

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02:08:36.760 --> 02:08:39.880
<v Speaker 2>That's the that's the point of it, all right, Oh,

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02:08:39.920 --> 02:08:42.359
<v Speaker 2>of established that clear it up, that little bit of math.

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<v Speaker 2>Now this other one, this HPV sixteen, I've never heard

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02:08:46.399 --> 02:08:49.119
<v Speaker 2>of that. Now I've heard of you know, home h people.

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02:08:49.119 --> 02:08:52.159
<v Speaker 2>There's there's a whole multitude of these HPV viruses out there,

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02:08:52.960 --> 02:08:55.039
<v Speaker 2>and some of them can, like you said, can cause

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02:08:55.119 --> 02:08:57.960
<v Speaker 2>warts like genital warts or I guess same thing that

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02:08:57.960 --> 02:08:59.119
<v Speaker 2>happens in your throat.

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02:08:59.159 --> 02:09:01.720
<v Speaker 12>Yeah, or even just the HPV viruses can cause skin

2368
02:09:01.800 --> 02:09:05.039
<v Speaker 12>words too. I mean, there's so it's a whole spectrum

2369
02:09:05.039 --> 02:09:06.720
<v Speaker 12>of these viruses.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, and since most people have it, I mean, if

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02:09:11.439 --> 02:09:13.760
<v Speaker 2>you're sexually active at all, I guess the statistics are

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02:09:13.800 --> 02:09:16.640
<v Speaker 2>that you probably have at least or at least had

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02:09:17.000 --> 02:09:18.039
<v Speaker 2>an HPV infection.

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<v Speaker 12>Yeah, I mean, I think I've seen that if you're

2375
02:09:20.000 --> 02:09:23.600
<v Speaker 12>sexually active at all, there's over fifty percent chance that

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02:09:23.640 --> 02:09:27.159
<v Speaker 12>you've had some sort of exposure to one of these types.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, how about oral, fair, and genial cancers that's

2378
02:09:32.359 --> 02:09:34.720
<v Speaker 2>caused by HPV as well, because because you say, the

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02:09:34.760 --> 02:09:36.399
<v Speaker 2>notes suggest that they're on the rise.

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<v Speaker 12>Yeah, so that is that group of cancers that like

2381
02:09:40.039 --> 02:09:42.079
<v Speaker 12>the tonsil in the back of the tongue, those are

2382
02:09:42.079 --> 02:09:45.079
<v Speaker 12>grouped under the that's a part of your body called

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02:09:45.079 --> 02:09:49.119
<v Speaker 12>the oropharynx. And yeah, smoking and alcohol related cancers have

2384
02:09:49.239 --> 02:09:53.560
<v Speaker 12>been diminishing over time. People are engaging in more generally

2385
02:09:53.720 --> 02:09:57.520
<v Speaker 12>responsible behavior and moderation. But these HPV related cancers have

2386
02:09:57.560 --> 02:10:01.319
<v Speaker 12>been increasing over time because the these viruses are just

2387
02:10:01.399 --> 02:10:05.720
<v Speaker 12>so widespread now and exposure is so common. And yeah,

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02:10:05.760 --> 02:10:08.399
<v Speaker 12>the oropharynx is that subset of head and neck cancers

2389
02:10:08.439 --> 02:10:11.319
<v Speaker 12>that that tends to manifest these cancers.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, Well, let's pauses a forty five.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll continue with doctor Joseph Shaughnessy from OHC again online

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02:10:15.920 --> 02:10:19.840
<v Speaker 2>in ohcare dot com eight at eight six eight hundred.

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<v Speaker 2>We're gonna get some other risk factors, typical symptoms. Uh,

2394
02:10:23.159 --> 02:10:25.680
<v Speaker 2>we're gonna talk about screening a little bit and hopefully

2395
02:10:25.960 --> 02:10:28.399
<v Speaker 2>can they be cured. He'll answer that question as well.

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<v Speaker 5>Don't go way fifty five KRC since nineteen ten wimer.

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<v Speaker 1>A forty eight pig about CARCD talk station.

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<v Speaker 2>OHHC My cancer doctors, ohcare dot coms where you find

2399
02:10:42.399 --> 02:10:45.039
<v Speaker 2>them online eighty and eight sixty eight hundred in studio

2400
02:10:45.159 --> 02:10:48.479
<v Speaker 2>doctor Joseph Shaughnessy, who's a head of net cancer specialists

2401
02:10:48.479 --> 02:10:50.800
<v Speaker 2>among others. He's a whole litany of cancer specialist. But

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02:10:51.800 --> 02:10:54.319
<v Speaker 2>we're talking about head and neck cancer. And when we're

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02:10:54.359 --> 02:10:58.560
<v Speaker 2>talking about HPV, I asked about the vaccine and it

2404
02:10:58.600 --> 02:11:01.840
<v Speaker 2>was a definite yes. And women can get the HPV

2405
02:11:01.960 --> 02:11:05.039
<v Speaker 2>vaccine in order to try and stave off this right.

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02:11:05.760 --> 02:11:08.880
<v Speaker 12>Yes, I mean the hp vaccine is essentially a cancer

2407
02:11:08.920 --> 02:11:13.880
<v Speaker 12>prevention vaccine. It is targeted against the high risk forms

2408
02:11:13.880 --> 02:11:16.680
<v Speaker 12>of HPV, not just sixteen. They include a bunch of

2409
02:11:16.720 --> 02:11:20.960
<v Speaker 12>different variations of it sixteen eighteen thirty one thirty three

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02:11:21.199 --> 02:11:24.000
<v Speaker 12>and all these different forms that have been shown to

2411
02:11:24.000 --> 02:11:28.159
<v Speaker 12>be high risk. It can prevent infection and in turn

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02:11:28.319 --> 02:11:32.279
<v Speaker 12>can lower your risk of these HPV related cancers significantly.

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<v Speaker 2>All Right, now I'm going on the side of I

2414
02:11:33.520 --> 02:11:36.159
<v Speaker 2>don't care where you are with RFK Junior, I would

2415
02:11:36.199 --> 02:11:38.239
<v Speaker 2>recommend getting that one. All right, What are the other

2416
02:11:38.319 --> 02:11:42.159
<v Speaker 2>risk factors which might cause head and net cancers?

2417
02:11:42.359 --> 02:11:45.760
<v Speaker 1>Generally we've touched on really the main ones.

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02:11:46.199 --> 02:11:50.319
<v Speaker 12>Yeah, I mean, you know, there are other certain environmental exposures,

2419
02:11:50.319 --> 02:11:55.079
<v Speaker 12>certain kind of chemicals and substances, certain industrial exposures out there.

2420
02:11:55.720 --> 02:11:57.920
<v Speaker 12>I mean, that's a very small percentage of cancers related

2421
02:11:57.960 --> 02:12:00.920
<v Speaker 12>to that, but there can be you know, just oral hygiene.

2422
02:12:01.640 --> 02:12:03.920
<v Speaker 12>If your mouth is in bad shape and you don't

2423
02:12:03.960 --> 02:12:05.720
<v Speaker 12>take good care of it and you just have chronic

2424
02:12:05.760 --> 02:12:09.960
<v Speaker 12>inflammation in there from bad teeth, et cetera. You know,

2425
02:12:10.039 --> 02:12:11.560
<v Speaker 12>that can be a risk factor.

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02:12:11.920 --> 02:12:14.279
<v Speaker 2>That should not happen to anybody in my listening audience.

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02:12:14.279 --> 02:12:17.840
<v Speaker 2>You got doctors Peck and Frew. They're great doctors. They're

2428
02:12:17.880 --> 02:12:20.239
<v Speaker 2>dennis to take care of you. Any genetic risk.

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<v Speaker 12>Very little there, Okay, there's not any I mean, short

2430
02:12:24.960 --> 02:12:25.399
<v Speaker 12>answer is.

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02:12:25.479 --> 02:12:29.000
<v Speaker 2>Now okay, cutting to the chase. What do people need

2432
02:12:29.039 --> 02:12:31.760
<v Speaker 2>to be looking for in terms of the typical symptoms,

2433
02:12:31.760 --> 02:12:33.560
<v Speaker 2>because you know, you get people freaked out about it, like,

2434
02:12:33.560 --> 02:12:36.720
<v Speaker 2>oh my god, it is what happening now? Is this

2435
02:12:36.800 --> 02:12:39.880
<v Speaker 2>related to throat cancer or something? What are the symptoms?

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02:12:40.039 --> 02:12:43.640
<v Speaker 12>Yeah, and that's tricky. There's a whole wide spectrum of

2437
02:12:43.680 --> 02:12:46.600
<v Speaker 12>possible symptoms. I mean, what you're really looking out for

2438
02:12:47.079 --> 02:12:50.239
<v Speaker 12>is something that is new and different for you and

2439
02:12:50.279 --> 02:12:53.359
<v Speaker 12>it's not going away. I mean this can include like

2440
02:12:53.399 --> 02:12:55.840
<v Speaker 12>a sore throat that's hanging around. Most sore throats are

2441
02:12:55.840 --> 02:12:58.319
<v Speaker 12>not cancer related, but if you have a sore throat

2442
02:12:58.520 --> 02:13:02.720
<v Speaker 12>that's persisting despite you giving it some time and some treatment,

2443
02:13:02.840 --> 02:13:05.600
<v Speaker 12>that's something to get checked out. There can be wider

2444
02:13:05.640 --> 02:13:08.319
<v Speaker 12>red patches in the mouth or throat that won't go away,

2445
02:13:08.520 --> 02:13:11.960
<v Speaker 12>or you know, other gross or ulcers in that area.

2446
02:13:13.119 --> 02:13:15.439
<v Speaker 12>If you have a change in your voice, like hoarseness

2447
02:13:15.640 --> 02:13:18.439
<v Speaker 12>or a muffled voice, that could be a sign of

2448
02:13:18.439 --> 02:13:22.319
<v Speaker 12>something going on, a new neck lump that won't go away,

2449
02:13:22.880 --> 02:13:27.000
<v Speaker 12>difficulty swallowing, difficulty chewing, numbness or weakness in your face,

2450
02:13:28.199 --> 02:13:31.560
<v Speaker 12>or you know, bleeding from your nose or mouth. That

2451
02:13:31.560 --> 02:13:34.079
<v Speaker 12>it's more than just a once or twice off deal.

2452
02:13:34.199 --> 02:13:37.279
<v Speaker 12>I mean, it's important to note that not all these

2453
02:13:37.319 --> 02:13:38.239
<v Speaker 12>things mean you have cancer.

2454
02:13:38.279 --> 02:13:40.359
<v Speaker 2>Well that's why my next you can go to your

2455
02:13:40.359 --> 02:13:44.239
<v Speaker 2>primary care physician sort of add an outset and talk

2456
02:13:44.279 --> 02:13:46.039
<v Speaker 2>to that. I don't need to call oh if I

2457
02:13:46.039 --> 02:13:49.039
<v Speaker 2>have a sinus infection that doesn't clear up with antibiotics immediately.

2458
02:13:49.159 --> 02:13:53.079
<v Speaker 12>Absolutely, the your primary care team is your first line

2459
02:13:53.199 --> 02:13:56.239
<v Speaker 12>that you know. They're well versed in managing these issues,

2460
02:13:56.479 --> 02:13:59.159
<v Speaker 12>and they're very well versed and knowing when to escalate

2461
02:13:59.319 --> 02:14:02.720
<v Speaker 12>beyond conventional stuff like antibiotics are given it a little

2462
02:14:02.720 --> 02:14:03.359
<v Speaker 12>extra time.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, So we've talked at we were talked at

2464
02:14:05.920 --> 02:14:11.760
<v Speaker 2>length about the lifestyles and screening. So what about the treatability.

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02:14:11.880 --> 02:14:16.920
<v Speaker 2>How treatable are these is it? Can they metastasize? I mean,

2466
02:14:17.000 --> 02:14:20.119
<v Speaker 2>I guess early detection is always usually really the key

2467
02:14:20.199 --> 02:14:22.000
<v Speaker 2>to getting in front of it and being able to

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02:14:22.000 --> 02:14:24.520
<v Speaker 2>have a greater likelihood of success. But what's going on

2469
02:14:24.560 --> 02:14:26.600
<v Speaker 2>in the area of treatments and do people still have

2470
02:14:26.640 --> 02:14:27.960
<v Speaker 2>hope if they get diagnosed?

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<v Speaker 12>Yeah, So these cancers are very often absolutely curable, and

2472
02:14:32.520 --> 02:14:36.600
<v Speaker 12>as you touched on, early detection and early intervention can

2473
02:14:36.640 --> 02:14:40.600
<v Speaker 12>really tilt the scales in your favor. You know, if

2474
02:14:40.600 --> 02:14:43.000
<v Speaker 12>it has spread outside the head and neck region, at

2475
02:14:43.000 --> 02:14:45.680
<v Speaker 12>that point in time, it's more about controlling the disease

2476
02:14:45.800 --> 02:14:48.399
<v Speaker 12>rather than cure. But the first thing we're thinking when

2477
02:14:48.439 --> 02:14:50.760
<v Speaker 12>we look at any of these cancer cases is hey,

2478
02:14:50.760 --> 02:14:51.279
<v Speaker 12>how can.

2479
02:14:51.159 --> 02:14:53.199
<v Speaker 10>We get to cure here? And there's a variety of

2480
02:14:53.239 --> 02:14:54.239
<v Speaker 10>tools that we have to get to that.

2481
02:14:55.119 --> 02:14:57.560
<v Speaker 1>Clinical trials going on for any of these types of cancers.

2482
02:14:58.159 --> 02:15:02.880
<v Speaker 12>Absolutely, you're always trying to get better, find new things,

2483
02:15:04.680 --> 02:15:08.039
<v Speaker 12>refine our treatment algorithms. I mean, one of the big

2484
02:15:08.079 --> 02:15:11.279
<v Speaker 12>pushes in some of these clinical trials is actually sometimes

2485
02:15:11.560 --> 02:15:15.880
<v Speaker 12>de intensification of treatment. Sometimes these treatments when you're doing

2486
02:15:16.159 --> 02:15:19.159
<v Speaker 12>surgery or chemote therapy can be quite intense, and we

2487
02:15:19.199 --> 02:15:21.399
<v Speaker 12>want to find that sweet spot where where we're maintaining

2488
02:15:21.479 --> 02:15:24.840
<v Speaker 12>high cure rates but giving people as little side effects

2489
02:15:24.840 --> 02:15:25.960
<v Speaker 12>as possible.

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02:15:25.720 --> 02:15:29.199
<v Speaker 2>Well, piling on the incentives for lifestyle changes. While you

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<v Speaker 2>may not be able to avoid getting an HPV infection

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<v Speaker 2>in these worlds, in this world that we currently live in,

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<v Speaker 2>I see that patients with HPV induced or oral fare

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<v Speaker 2>and geal cancer have a very high survival rate over

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<v Speaker 2>five years.

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<v Speaker 12>Yeah, so you know, we do a great job with

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<v Speaker 12>these HPV related cancers. I mean a lot of scary

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<v Speaker 12>talk about how you know these viruses are out there,

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<v Speaker 12>people are getting these cancers. Often it can be you know,

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<v Speaker 12>younger patients getting these cancers. But the good news is

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<v Speaker 12>is that the cur rates, yeah, can be around eighty

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<v Speaker 12>five ninety percent, even if it's already spread to the

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<v Speaker 12>lymph nodes in the neck region, still very high curate.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, that is very positive information. But again piling on

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<v Speaker 2>the lifestyle changes, tell my listeners about the population that

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<v Speaker 2>have some smoking slash drinking related.

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<v Speaker 12>Yeah, I mean, unfortunately, they just don't do as well.

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<v Speaker 12>Those are more stubborn, tricky cancers that can be treatment resistant.

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<v Speaker 12>And also you know the effects of smoking and drinking

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<v Speaker 12>for decades can make your body less able to tolerate

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<v Speaker 12>treatment well. And so the combination of all those factors

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<v Speaker 12>can I mean those cancers have a cur rate. I

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<v Speaker 12>mean often it can be under fifty percent.

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<v Speaker 1>Stuff you need to know, folks.

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<v Speaker 2>And if you need a second opinion you've already been diagnosed,

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<v Speaker 2>get in touch with OHC at eight eight eight six.

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<v Speaker 2>Of course, if your doctor's suggestion you need to be

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<v Speaker 2>referred to a cancer physician. I'm glad that I had

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<v Speaker 2>a dear friend of mine refer me to OHC. I've

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<v Speaker 2>been at their great care for years now and I

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<v Speaker 2>wrongly recommend him as well as just from an independent

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<v Speaker 2>person who's been through that experience. Ohcare dot com is

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<v Speaker 2>where you can learn more. Doctor Shaughnessy, it's been a

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<v Speaker 2>real preasure talking to you this morning. Thanks for all

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<v Speaker 2>the great work you do and keep it up and

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<v Speaker 2>I will again encourage my listeners to get in touch

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<v Speaker 2>with you and related to cancer things.

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<v Speaker 12>Thanks so much for having me.

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<v Speaker 2>My pleasure is allmine. Eight fifty five folks. Peter Brownson

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<v Speaker 2>was in studio Full hour Man. It's the twenty fourth

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<v Speaker 2>anniversary of the Cincinnati Riots, and we did a deep

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<v Speaker 2>dive into that the reality is certainly different than what

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<v Speaker 2>was presented in the newspaper. That's be sure you can

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<v Speaker 2>get a copy of his book Behind the Lines, The

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<v Speaker 2>Told Stories of the Cincinnati Riots. Did the insight scoop

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<v Speaker 2>with the bright Bart news log in tonight, empower Youamerica

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<v Speaker 2>dot org and hear from Oliver Lane, the London bureau

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<v Speaker 2>Achief on what's happening in Europe. This sort of populism

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<v Speaker 2>Rise that also seems to be taking place here. He'll

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<v Speaker 2>be doing a deep dive into that didn't get the

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<v Speaker 2>deep dive with Daniel Davis. But you also have the

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<v Speaker 2>information from OAHC fifty five KC dot comy it's Rightheartmedia Software.

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<v Speaker 2>While you're there the app, tune into Myorrow Judge In

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<v Speaker 2>and Apolitano, Congressman Thomas Messy just scratching the surface. Great

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<v Speaker 2>guests lined up for tomorrow. Sean McMahon, thank you for

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<v Speaker 2>producing the program this morning. You always do a great job. Folks,

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<v Speaker 2>stick around. Glenne's coming right up.