1 00:00:04,879 --> 00:00:07,200 Speaker 1: What's going on. Thank you so much for listening to 2 00:00:07,240 --> 00:00:09,640 this podcast. It is heard live every day from noon 3 00:00:09,679 --> 00:00:12,519 to three on WBT Radio in Charlotte. And if you 4 00:00:12,560 --> 00:00:16,719 want exclusive content like invitations to events, the weekly live stream, 5 00:00:16,760 --> 00:00:19,239 I daily show prep with all the links, become a patron, 6 00:00:19,359 --> 00:00:22,640 go to dpkclendarshow dot com, make sure you hit the 7 00:00:22,640 --> 00:00:25,160 subscribe button. Get every episode for free right to your 8 00:00:25,160 --> 00:00:27,719 smartphone or tablet. And again, thank you so much for 9 00:00:27,760 --> 00:00:28,320 your support. 10 00:00:29,039 --> 00:00:30,480 Speaker 2: I do want to continue a little bit about what 11 00:00:30,559 --> 00:00:32,759 Nick was talking about earlier, and that is this h 12 00:00:33,079 --> 00:00:36,679 this H one B visa program, because if you're on 13 00:00:36,719 --> 00:00:41,119 the political left, you are having the best time right 14 00:00:41,159 --> 00:00:47,119 now because this H ONEB visa issue has erupted. Now 15 00:00:47,240 --> 00:00:49,840 now one thing that is interesting to me. Let's step 16 00:00:49,880 --> 00:00:53,280 beyond that the issue itself is fascinating, is worth it is? 17 00:00:53,520 --> 00:00:55,600 It is a I would agree with Nick in this wed. 18 00:00:55,600 --> 00:00:58,840 I didn't agree with everything, but it is a great debate. 19 00:00:58,920 --> 00:01:01,679 Don't think that it's not is a phenomenal debate. It 20 00:01:01,759 --> 00:01:04,879 is what we anticipated and what we like. Trump has 21 00:01:04,920 --> 00:01:09,159 a diverse cabinet and many people on the political right 22 00:01:09,200 --> 00:01:11,359 are illustrative of the fact that it's not a cult. 23 00:01:11,599 --> 00:01:13,799 It is a lot of folks with different ideas that 24 00:01:13,879 --> 00:01:16,640 all believe that we haven't, you know, an America First 25 00:01:16,719 --> 00:01:19,519 agenda and the H one B program. It can be argued, 26 00:01:20,120 --> 00:01:23,840 it can be argued in multiple ways that it's an 27 00:01:23,840 --> 00:01:27,400 America First program, or that it's anti American first. So 28 00:01:27,719 --> 00:01:30,799 it is a good, healthy debate because ultimately it is 29 00:01:30,840 --> 00:01:33,079 about the freedom of free enterprise. It is about the 30 00:01:33,120 --> 00:01:36,000 way in which free enterprise can best be achieved by 31 00:01:36,040 --> 00:01:37,959 free men. You know, excuse me, freedom can best be 32 00:01:38,000 --> 00:01:40,040 achieved that way by free men through free enterprise, so 33 00:01:41,680 --> 00:01:43,640 or economic justice, I guess you could say, can best 34 00:01:43,640 --> 00:01:45,120 be achieved. It's a weird line. It's the line from 35 00:01:45,120 --> 00:01:48,920 the JC creed that's absolutely true. And when you break 36 00:01:48,959 --> 00:01:52,519 all this down, it's how does a company go about 37 00:01:52,599 --> 00:01:55,319 finding the best works? Are we interested in only finding 38 00:01:55,319 --> 00:01:59,359 the best workers in America? Are we interested in finding 39 00:01:59,439 --> 00:02:02,879 the best workers or most innovative people from around the planet. 40 00:02:03,200 --> 00:02:06,680 You could argue Elon Musk has benefited personally from such 41 00:02:06,680 --> 00:02:08,960 a program. I mean, he's South Africa and he's not, 42 00:02:09,439 --> 00:02:11,280 you know, native born American. I think he has dual 43 00:02:11,319 --> 00:02:14,960 citizenship now. But a lot of these the vag Ramswami 44 00:02:15,000 --> 00:02:17,840 and Elon kind of tore the band aid off about 45 00:02:17,840 --> 00:02:20,879 forty eight hours ago on social media and it went 46 00:02:21,080 --> 00:02:24,360 flipping crazy. It has gone. It is not abated, is 47 00:02:24,360 --> 00:02:27,840 not Laura Loomer's gotten involved. Millions of people are getting 48 00:02:27,879 --> 00:02:31,800 involved now. One of the beautiful aspects of this entire 49 00:02:31,960 --> 00:02:41,159 debate is how marginalized the regular historic media has become ABCNBCCBS. 50 00:02:41,199 --> 00:02:42,960 They don't keep up with this stuff in real time. 51 00:02:43,039 --> 00:02:46,479 They have kind of this bottled way. Even Fox Newsmax 52 00:02:46,520 --> 00:02:50,439 I think is coming on very strong. Newsmax is eager 53 00:02:50,479 --> 00:02:53,159 to replace Fox is the rights way to go and 54 00:02:53,159 --> 00:02:57,280 get news. But all of those legacy the real time, 55 00:02:57,439 --> 00:03:01,280 whereas talk radio is topical and timely. It is a 56 00:03:01,280 --> 00:03:04,319 way for us to discuss things as they're happening every day, 57 00:03:04,960 --> 00:03:08,479 and the legacy media doesn't have that, especially print. Print 58 00:03:08,520 --> 00:03:10,400 is often outdated by the time you would ever get 59 00:03:10,400 --> 00:03:12,639 it and be able to read it. And I think news, 60 00:03:12,919 --> 00:03:16,879 if you ever watched news, whatever you choose to watch, CNN, NBC, whatever, 61 00:03:16,919 --> 00:03:20,080 oars of Fox, you kind of see the package every 62 00:03:20,080 --> 00:03:22,960 thirty minutes, updated and regurgitated back to you. So after 63 00:03:23,000 --> 00:03:24,759 about thirty minutes you're getting ready, like I need to 64 00:03:24,800 --> 00:03:26,280 try it to another station and see if they're not 65 00:03:26,319 --> 00:03:30,479 talking about that. And even worse, day by day, the 66 00:03:30,520 --> 00:03:33,479 topic tends to get repeated ad nauseum over and over. 67 00:03:33,639 --> 00:03:35,400 I mean, and I'll say this, and I don't mean 68 00:03:35,400 --> 00:03:37,240 I'm not belaboring it because we all care about the 69 00:03:37,240 --> 00:03:39,360 immigration issue. But how many times do you turned on 70 00:03:39,400 --> 00:03:41,680 and they're still talking about how you know, the immigration 71 00:03:41,759 --> 00:03:44,439 system on a situation on the border. It's horrible, it's bad. 72 00:03:44,680 --> 00:03:46,599 But when you hear it enough times, you don't want 73 00:03:46,680 --> 00:03:49,960 people to get to tune it out. It is important, 74 00:03:49,960 --> 00:03:52,479 it is relevant, but you overdo it, you get things 75 00:03:52,520 --> 00:03:55,319 tuned out. So we will talk about that. We talk about, 76 00:03:55,439 --> 00:03:57,360 you know, some of the ridiculous things that happened this 77 00:03:57,400 --> 00:04:00,520 past year. My friend John Tamney has a great article 78 00:04:00,520 --> 00:04:05,039 today about how freedom always beats authoritarianism, much to the 79 00:04:05,120 --> 00:04:08,319 chagrin of the folks on CNN the political left who 80 00:04:08,400 --> 00:04:11,919 like to scream that somehow freedom brings about authoritarianism. It's 81 00:04:12,000 --> 00:04:14,919 just the opposite. Some economic predictions that are out there 82 00:04:16,319 --> 00:04:19,920 just a fascinating time. So we will get to all 83 00:04:19,959 --> 00:04:22,240 that here on News Talk eleven ten, nine nine three WBT. 84 00:04:22,360 --> 00:04:24,680 If the voice sounds different, it is. It is because 85 00:04:24,720 --> 00:04:27,560 it's mine. It's not Pete Callener's. Pete's enjoying himself. I 86 00:04:27,600 --> 00:04:30,959 hope getting rested up, and he will be back as 87 00:04:31,000 --> 00:04:33,639 the new year begins. I'll be here this today and 88 00:04:34,079 --> 00:04:37,600 much of next week New Year's Day notwithstanding. So thank 89 00:04:37,639 --> 00:04:39,319 you for tuning into being a part of things here, 90 00:04:39,319 --> 00:04:40,839 and if you want to get in on the conversation, 91 00:04:40,920 --> 00:04:42,839 you're welcome to do so. It's seven O four five 92 00:04:42,920 --> 00:04:45,720 seven oh eleven ten seven O four five seven oh 93 00:04:45,839 --> 00:04:49,759 eleven ten. Now to break down the H one B. 94 00:04:49,879 --> 00:04:54,680 It is too easy to jump in on one side 95 00:04:54,720 --> 00:04:58,839 of this debate, and it's it's very heated, it's very complicated. 96 00:04:59,000 --> 00:05:01,199 There are people that want to simplify it. Well, I 97 00:05:01,199 --> 00:05:03,680 think Newsweek. I don't always agree with Newsweek, but I 98 00:05:03,680 --> 00:05:07,639 think they did a fair job of teasing this out 99 00:05:07,639 --> 00:05:09,000 a little bit. So I'm going to go with that 100 00:05:09,519 --> 00:05:14,480 with that version of this debate. One side note, Gunther Engelman, 101 00:05:14,519 --> 00:05:17,879 who is one a very prolific guy out on Twitter 102 00:05:18,319 --> 00:05:20,800 or X. It is now the X platform, and there's 103 00:05:20,800 --> 00:05:23,920 a lot of different platforms, but Next is now the 104 00:05:24,040 --> 00:05:28,120 number one news app. In one hundred and forty countries, 105 00:05:29,120 --> 00:05:32,879 including the US number one in one hundred and forty 106 00:05:32,920 --> 00:05:36,079 different countries. That's that you talk about a transition that 107 00:05:36,120 --> 00:05:39,600 you one couldn't have predicted number two. That is just 108 00:05:39,920 --> 00:05:43,759 proof that there is nothing. There is nothing in news 109 00:05:44,839 --> 00:05:47,639 or the free market that is etched in stone forever. 110 00:05:47,759 --> 00:05:51,120 I mean, you and I have talked about this many 111 00:05:51,160 --> 00:05:53,000 many times. You know, if you look back, you look 112 00:05:53,000 --> 00:05:55,439 at where Sears and Roebuck was, or J. C. Penny, 113 00:05:55,560 --> 00:05:57,480 you looked at where Kmart was. You look at these 114 00:05:57,519 --> 00:06:01,319 great these these iconic piece of American history. We had 115 00:06:01,319 --> 00:06:03,720 someone calling yesterday say we shouldn't forget the Vanderbilts and 116 00:06:03,720 --> 00:06:07,040 all that. Well, they faded from grace. The things change 117 00:06:07,399 --> 00:06:10,480 and we evolve, and the next person that builds the 118 00:06:10,480 --> 00:06:13,879 better mouse trap dominates from an economic standpoint, or dominates 119 00:06:13,920 --> 00:06:16,519 from a market standpoint. And we saw that with the 120 00:06:16,600 --> 00:06:19,040 rise of Amazon and Apple. I can remember when you 121 00:06:19,040 --> 00:06:21,279 couldn't give Apple stock away just for about two dollars 122 00:06:21,319 --> 00:06:23,680 a share in the late nights early two thousand and 123 00:06:23,800 --> 00:06:25,720 two thousand and one or so. But I was a 124 00:06:25,720 --> 00:06:27,600 big believer in Apple back when the two E came 125 00:06:27,600 --> 00:06:29,639 out in the eighties and then you saw that progress 126 00:06:29,720 --> 00:06:31,720 and became great, but they had their own os and 127 00:06:31,720 --> 00:06:33,680 people made fun of them. And then all of a sudden, 128 00:06:33,720 --> 00:06:35,800 after the image of the iPhone, they become the largest 129 00:06:35,839 --> 00:06:39,439 company on the planet. That's the beauty of the free 130 00:06:39,519 --> 00:06:42,639 enterprise system. You constantly have to revise and become better 131 00:06:42,680 --> 00:06:46,079 and become better and become better. And news media did 132 00:06:46,199 --> 00:06:50,639 not do that. They evolved, but it was creaking. It 133 00:06:50,360 --> 00:06:53,079 was it was being bogged down, and instead of becoming 134 00:06:53,199 --> 00:06:59,839 very innovative and keeping their objectivity, they became partisan propping. 135 00:07:00,079 --> 00:07:04,040 And and there's nothing unique about partisan propaganda. It's the 136 00:07:04,079 --> 00:07:08,040 Soviet Union tried it. Everybody became provda. The view became 137 00:07:08,079 --> 00:07:11,120 provd to CNN, became provd to whatever the government wanted 138 00:07:11,160 --> 00:07:13,040 to say. They would echo and act like it. They 139 00:07:13,079 --> 00:07:16,800 wouldn't question it. And the curiosity is what makes a 140 00:07:16,839 --> 00:07:19,680 great media. And they lost their curiosity and they lost 141 00:07:19,680 --> 00:07:22,920 their objectivity and people went to where they could get that. 142 00:07:23,000 --> 00:07:27,639 And Twitter is one of those places x X platform. 143 00:07:28,120 --> 00:07:30,120 But so much of social media. It's not just that 144 00:07:30,240 --> 00:07:32,439 there's multiple versions of it. I mean, Trump has truth 145 00:07:32,480 --> 00:07:36,079 social and there's just a plethora of places that people 146 00:07:36,120 --> 00:07:38,600 get their media, and that's going to continue to be 147 00:07:38,680 --> 00:07:40,800 the case. I don't know what will be next. The 148 00:07:40,879 --> 00:07:42,959 other thing we're seeing is the evolution of these things 149 00:07:43,160 --> 00:07:46,120 in a much more rapid fashion. Instead of things taking 150 00:07:46,360 --> 00:07:48,720 you know, fifty years to change and then got down 151 00:07:48,759 --> 00:07:51,519 to twenty or ten. Now it's four or five. That 152 00:07:51,560 --> 00:07:55,920 the switchover for you to digest new ways of getting 153 00:07:55,920 --> 00:07:58,879 information can be. It at eighteen months when Elon Musk 154 00:07:58,959 --> 00:08:01,399 walked in with that saine, which was odd. He does 155 00:08:01,399 --> 00:08:04,480 odd things. He's an odd fellow, an amazing individual, but 156 00:08:04,560 --> 00:08:06,240 an odd When he walked in with the kitchen sink 157 00:08:06,240 --> 00:08:09,079 and he took over Twitter that morning, That that iconic 158 00:08:09,160 --> 00:08:11,959 moment where he bought Twitter and the media lost their 159 00:08:12,000 --> 00:08:14,920 minds and many people try to stop him. It funded, 160 00:08:14,920 --> 00:08:18,160 it changed. That was the beginning of we're not going 161 00:08:18,879 --> 00:08:22,120 to start being a one side of me. 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I happen to believe 189 00:09:49,159 --> 00:09:52,200 it is very strongly that those ideas typically are a 190 00:09:52,279 --> 00:09:56,600 less government, smaller government, uh, more entrepreneurship, more free markets, 191 00:09:56,639 --> 00:09:59,519 more local control. Those are the things that I believe 192 00:10:00,240 --> 00:10:02,960 do matter. Constitutional frameworks where you look at what the 193 00:10:02,960 --> 00:10:05,320 Constitution says the government should be doing, that tends to 194 00:10:05,360 --> 00:10:07,440 work and has worked for two hundred and some odd years. 195 00:10:07,679 --> 00:10:09,639 I think we get sideways when we get away from that. 196 00:10:09,720 --> 00:10:13,600 I think the framework, oddly enough, persists, you know, a 197 00:10:13,679 --> 00:10:17,360 quarter of a millennial later that we continue to see it. 198 00:10:17,360 --> 00:10:20,960 It work, and the outline there is a delineation of 199 00:10:20,960 --> 00:10:24,240 what government should not be doing, their list of rights 200 00:10:24,240 --> 00:10:26,279 that you have as an individual. So the H one 201 00:10:26,320 --> 00:10:29,960 b IF This is interesting because I did listen to 202 00:10:30,000 --> 00:10:32,519 what Nick had to say, and he made some valid points. 203 00:10:33,279 --> 00:10:35,720 The debate in the Republican party right now, the Democrats 204 00:10:35,759 --> 00:10:38,919 are largely sidelined on this. They're not really the one 205 00:10:38,919 --> 00:10:41,559 thing they would ultimately do if this becomes a debate 206 00:10:41,600 --> 00:10:44,559 in Congress and a real schism, a real split between 207 00:10:44,600 --> 00:10:46,799 the Republicans in the House or the Republicans in the Senate. 208 00:10:46,960 --> 00:10:52,240 The Democrats have the real opportunity to pick one side 209 00:10:52,279 --> 00:10:55,000 or the other, not be divided themselves and sway the debate. 210 00:10:55,080 --> 00:10:57,080 So one of two things would happen with the Democrats. 211 00:10:57,559 --> 00:11:00,679 They would if this does persist, I think they'll ultimately 212 00:11:00,799 --> 00:11:04,200 be some kind of hybridized solution here that'll keep the 213 00:11:04,720 --> 00:11:07,360 at least on this issue, that will keep the Republicans together. 214 00:11:08,200 --> 00:11:10,320 But the Democrats have one of two choices. Should it 215 00:11:10,399 --> 00:11:12,799 persist and should it produce a schism at least on 216 00:11:12,840 --> 00:11:15,360 this immigration and I'll get into what those issues are. 217 00:11:16,320 --> 00:11:20,120 They could pick the side that will cause the most harm. 218 00:11:20,360 --> 00:11:22,200 In other words, they look at the two options that 219 00:11:22,240 --> 00:11:24,840 the Republicans put forward, they picked the one they believe 220 00:11:25,480 --> 00:11:30,159 will make Americans most unhappy, and then vote on that side. 221 00:11:30,480 --> 00:11:32,799 And then you know, say hey, look what the Republicans 222 00:11:32,799 --> 00:11:34,559 did to you see we want to make it better. 223 00:11:35,279 --> 00:11:38,240 Or they could put all that aside and they could say, 224 00:11:38,279 --> 00:11:39,879 you know what, here's what we think is best for 225 00:11:39,919 --> 00:11:43,879 the country and side with that moving forward. Now. I 226 00:11:43,879 --> 00:11:46,279 don't know what they'll do, but we'll see. So this 227 00:11:46,320 --> 00:11:48,399 is how it breaks down. With Newsweek, a heated debate 228 00:11:48,440 --> 00:11:51,600 within the Republican Party over highly skilled and that is 229 00:11:51,720 --> 00:11:55,600 end quotes immigrants and H one B work visus has 230 00:11:55,679 --> 00:11:58,440 broken out over the otherwise quiet holiday week, and it 231 00:11:58,480 --> 00:12:01,279 did it. It erupted on social It absolutely has been 232 00:12:01,320 --> 00:12:05,159 an eruption, reflecting the deep divisions within both the GOP 233 00:12:05,320 --> 00:12:07,840 and the Trump base, which by the way, are the same. 234 00:12:08,759 --> 00:12:13,840 Elon musk back by tech allies like Vivek Ramaswami. Elon's 235 00:12:13,840 --> 00:12:17,679 finding himself at odds with the MAGA true believers who 236 00:12:17,679 --> 00:12:21,399 have long pushed for stricter immigration policies within a carve out, 237 00:12:21,759 --> 00:12:24,159 without a carve out for the so called high skilled 238 00:12:24,159 --> 00:12:27,279 workers that they argue are taking well paying jobs for Americans. 239 00:12:28,200 --> 00:12:30,600 So to summarize that part, you've got an H one 240 00:12:30,720 --> 00:12:35,879 B work visa that allows companies to use highly skilled 241 00:12:35,879 --> 00:12:39,960 workers from other countries to help fill their ranks. Now, 242 00:12:40,159 --> 00:12:41,879 an argument that some people would make is that's taking 243 00:12:41,960 --> 00:12:46,039 American jobs. You could also say that that's the one side, 244 00:12:46,039 --> 00:12:48,039 you're taking American jobs. You could also say you can 245 00:12:48,039 --> 00:12:50,639 get those people for less money. So it's in a 246 00:12:50,639 --> 00:12:53,320 company's best interest to find the cheapest skilled labor they 247 00:12:53,360 --> 00:12:55,960 can find to fill those jobs. So there would be 248 00:12:56,000 --> 00:12:58,679 a you would make the argument that has a corrosive effect, 249 00:12:59,159 --> 00:13:02,480 that it's kind of un fair. The other argument you 250 00:13:02,480 --> 00:13:04,440 can make on the other side, and that's why I 251 00:13:04,440 --> 00:13:07,200 see validity on both sides, is that the job of 252 00:13:07,240 --> 00:13:11,639 a given company reporting to its stockholders is to provide 253 00:13:11,840 --> 00:13:14,399 the highest level of service or the best product for 254 00:13:14,399 --> 00:13:18,440 the lowest price. So if you can get those skilled workers, 255 00:13:18,840 --> 00:13:21,320 what if they're better than their American counterparts. And I 256 00:13:21,360 --> 00:13:24,200 would call your attention back to how we developed, you know, 257 00:13:24,240 --> 00:13:26,759 the atomic bomb. We didn't do it with just American scientists. 258 00:13:26,799 --> 00:13:29,279 We brought in Germany, you know, German scientists. We got 259 00:13:29,320 --> 00:13:31,759 signists from all over the world to do the Manhattan 260 00:13:31,759 --> 00:13:35,120 Project and built the bomb. That's a that's an overly 261 00:13:35,159 --> 00:13:38,480 vivid example, but it works and it functions. So the 262 00:13:38,559 --> 00:13:42,120 veig Ramaswami kind of jumped into this and he threw 263 00:13:42,200 --> 00:13:45,200 out there that hey, look, you know, we can get 264 00:13:45,279 --> 00:13:49,639 better workers that are driven differently in many ways than 265 00:13:50,120 --> 00:13:52,039 the workers here. We can get through a lot of 266 00:13:52,039 --> 00:13:54,919 skilled workers from India that are that are highly skilled. 267 00:13:55,440 --> 00:13:58,480 David Sachs, the South African American venture capitalists, came to 268 00:13:59,080 --> 00:14:02,240 the person that's been promoted to this is Trump's AI 269 00:14:02,279 --> 00:14:08,000 policy advisor, I'm sorry. He sharm Sharam Krishman's appointment is 270 00:14:08,039 --> 00:14:11,639 Trump's AI policy advisor is being criticized because he's kind 271 00:14:11,639 --> 00:14:14,480 of on the side with Elon and Vivey and high 272 00:14:14,480 --> 00:14:18,960 tech companies do benefit from this. And Elon Musk benefited 273 00:14:19,000 --> 00:14:22,039 from this. He came from to this country on a 274 00:14:22,120 --> 00:14:25,279 J one academic visa. He then transitioned into an H 275 00:14:25,320 --> 00:14:27,600 to one B. And Tesla is one of the largest 276 00:14:27,639 --> 00:14:30,000 companies benefiting from this. They've hired seven hundred and twenty 277 00:14:30,039 --> 00:14:34,639 four people on this program just in twenty twenty three alone. 278 00:14:34,840 --> 00:14:36,919 But you look at that, and so the concern is 279 00:14:36,960 --> 00:14:39,240 it does take American jobs. The other side of it 280 00:14:39,279 --> 00:14:42,200 is we're getting workers that you otherwise would not be 281 00:14:42,279 --> 00:14:45,879 able to get without that program. So that being said, 282 00:14:46,039 --> 00:14:48,720 a company like Apple it was mentioned earlier in the broadcast, 283 00:14:49,039 --> 00:14:51,320 or Tesla or any other company, you could say, well, 284 00:14:51,360 --> 00:14:53,480 if they don't have that program, they could just in 285 00:14:53,559 --> 00:14:57,799 their facilities overseas in other countries, hire those people and 286 00:14:57,919 --> 00:15:00,600 move those jobs and move that portion of their tech 287 00:15:00,759 --> 00:15:04,080 operation overseas, which doesn't benefit the country. 288 00:15:04,279 --> 00:15:06,200 Speaker 1: All right, Hey, real quick, if you would like to 289 00:15:06,200 --> 00:15:09,039 get your product or service in front of about ten 290 00:15:09,080 --> 00:15:12,000 thousand people multiple times a day. Send me an email 291 00:15:12,080 --> 00:15:15,120 at Pete at the Pete calendarshow dot com and ask 292 00:15:15,200 --> 00:15:18,679 me about advertising. 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I mean, I'm looking 303 00:15:52,519 --> 00:15:55,879 at the personal insults being thrown at people like Vivek 304 00:15:56,000 --> 00:15:58,480 and stuff, and and Vivek said he waded into it 305 00:15:58,480 --> 00:16:00,240 in a very bad way, and we'll talk a little 306 00:16:00,240 --> 00:16:04,879 bit about that. So this is about quote unquote highly 307 00:16:04,919 --> 00:16:07,879 skilled the very specific subset of workers. They have to 308 00:16:07,919 --> 00:16:11,240 have very specific skill sets and allows companies to hire 309 00:16:11,240 --> 00:16:14,519 them on that work visa, you know, and and typically 310 00:16:14,519 --> 00:16:16,879 you're going to get them cheaper ten times what they're 311 00:16:16,919 --> 00:16:21,200 making in their country, but cheaper than a comparable American worker. 312 00:16:21,240 --> 00:16:23,320 So the argument is made, Hey, you're hiring people in 313 00:16:23,320 --> 00:16:25,399 front of Americans. But you could also make the argument 314 00:16:25,440 --> 00:16:28,240 that you're hiring people that may have a superior skill 315 00:16:28,279 --> 00:16:30,799 set to their American counterparts. Now I'm not saying that 316 00:16:30,840 --> 00:16:34,200 they're better, but if you're building something, if you were 317 00:16:34,200 --> 00:16:36,799 building a boat, or if you were in a surgical 318 00:16:36,879 --> 00:16:39,200 room and you were assembling the best team to operate 319 00:16:39,240 --> 00:16:41,600 on the patient or build the boat, you would want 320 00:16:41,759 --> 00:16:45,360 unfettered access to the best minds or the best engineers, 321 00:16:46,279 --> 00:16:49,120 regardless of where they were. They were highly educated, the 322 00:16:49,159 --> 00:16:51,480 best of the best. That's what you wish you could hire. 323 00:16:52,159 --> 00:16:54,679 And that's what the H one B visa really was 324 00:16:54,759 --> 00:16:57,639 created for, was to fill in gaps. But where it 325 00:16:57,720 --> 00:17:00,639 got kind of crazy in this is when it starts 326 00:17:00,679 --> 00:17:03,200 becoming very personal for a lot of folks. And I 327 00:17:03,279 --> 00:17:05,400 get it. You know, on the one side, you want 328 00:17:05,519 --> 00:17:08,319 much more strict like a lot of folks that are 329 00:17:08,400 --> 00:17:14,200 Trump supporters want far stricter immigration controls period across the board, 330 00:17:14,240 --> 00:17:18,079 no exceptions. But we are in a global economy and 331 00:17:18,119 --> 00:17:21,640 at a certain point, you at least with the H 332 00:17:21,759 --> 00:17:25,039 one B visus. Those are people are here legally. You 333 00:17:25,200 --> 00:17:28,279 know who they are, where they come from, why they're here, 334 00:17:28,319 --> 00:17:30,279 what they're doing. All of those things are known to 335 00:17:30,359 --> 00:17:32,599 DOC so it is a legal path to work in 336 00:17:32,640 --> 00:17:36,359 the country. But when so, Laura Lumer's been really on 337 00:17:36,359 --> 00:17:39,319 this and she's attacked everyone and said that anyone who 338 00:17:40,440 --> 00:17:44,880 disagree agrees with Vivek and Elin, they're wrong. But when 339 00:17:44,960 --> 00:17:48,319 you looked into this, vive Ramaswami, who's not someone known 340 00:17:48,359 --> 00:17:50,880 to just hold back, he weighed into this and when 341 00:17:50,880 --> 00:17:55,160 he did this is his post really set people off. 342 00:17:55,920 --> 00:17:58,799 And what he said was that the H one B 343 00:17:59,400 --> 00:18:03,240 are needed because American culture, and I use that phrase 344 00:18:03,240 --> 00:18:07,599 the way he did, culture doesn't prioritize a work ethic 345 00:18:07,720 --> 00:18:11,359 the way Indian culture does. And when an Indian we're 346 00:18:11,359 --> 00:18:15,480 talking about the country video. Indian immigrants received nearly seventy 347 00:18:15,480 --> 00:18:18,279 five percent of all of the H one visas in 348 00:18:18,319 --> 00:18:21,720 twenty twenty three that allows a US company to employ 349 00:18:21,839 --> 00:18:25,960 foreign workers and specially occupations. Since Trump was elected last month, 350 00:18:26,000 --> 00:18:29,720 discussions about reforming the program have intensified, with some advocating 351 00:18:29,759 --> 00:18:33,839 for removing country specific caps on green cards to address backlogs. 352 00:18:34,440 --> 00:18:37,720 So the people that attacked those folks, they're saying, well, 353 00:18:37,880 --> 00:18:40,400 it's really like Laura Lumer and others were saying, Hey, 354 00:18:40,400 --> 00:18:43,720 this benefits Musk and he's doing it to serve his 355 00:18:43,759 --> 00:18:46,920 own self interest, that he is that Box CEO Aaron 356 00:18:47,039 --> 00:18:50,000 Levy and PayPal co founder Peter Thiel who want this 357 00:18:50,079 --> 00:18:53,279 age that they're benefiting themselves. Now, I would argue those 358 00:18:53,279 --> 00:18:55,039 people have more than enough money. It's not about the 359 00:18:55,039 --> 00:18:59,599 money for them anymore. It's about innovation and opportunity. And 360 00:18:59,720 --> 00:19:02,920 it sounds like I'm in favor of this program. I 361 00:19:02,920 --> 00:19:05,599 think you can always make a program better or get 362 00:19:05,720 --> 00:19:07,920 rid of it, and in this instance, I think it 363 00:19:07,920 --> 00:19:10,119 certainly needs to be looked at. It needs to be reviewed. 364 00:19:10,839 --> 00:19:15,599 But if you've got you unbelievably gifted individuals that have 365 00:19:15,680 --> 00:19:18,799 a place to make our companies more innovative, we should 366 00:19:18,839 --> 00:19:21,880 have an opportunity to do that. Now, what Viveate did 367 00:19:21,920 --> 00:19:24,880 that really ticked everyone off, was saying that America's culture 368 00:19:25,839 --> 00:19:28,400 didn't have the same work ethic. Now, for any of 369 00:19:28,400 --> 00:19:31,519 you who have lived around and I worked closely for 370 00:19:31,920 --> 00:19:37,240 the past ten years with someone from India's culture, and 371 00:19:37,599 --> 00:19:40,359 he is one of the most remarkably driven individuals I've 372 00:19:40,400 --> 00:19:45,039 ever known in creating a medical travel company that we 373 00:19:45,279 --> 00:19:49,720 called it importing tourism, importing medical competition. So if a 374 00:19:49,720 --> 00:19:52,240 given area only had one hospital, and we said, well, heck, 375 00:19:52,400 --> 00:19:54,279 if you want to, we'll take you to another country. 376 00:19:54,279 --> 00:19:56,119 You can have top of the line of positions, look 377 00:19:56,160 --> 00:19:57,920 at you, operate on you for about a fifth of 378 00:19:57,920 --> 00:20:00,920 the price, and have a at least as good, if 379 00:20:00,920 --> 00:20:03,720 not better outcome. So we wanted to bring medical costs 380 00:20:03,720 --> 00:20:05,920 down in this country because it was running it is 381 00:20:06,000 --> 00:20:08,880 running a protectionist racket. That company has since been expanded 382 00:20:09,559 --> 00:20:13,039 massively to include about twenty two countries now and so 383 00:20:13,079 --> 00:20:15,160 some of the co founders of Amazon have come on board, 384 00:20:15,319 --> 00:20:18,640 and it's a huge international company. And that work ethic 385 00:20:19,160 --> 00:20:21,599 was there so to say that there is something to 386 00:20:21,640 --> 00:20:25,000 the Indian work ethic. The big hit. But when he 387 00:20:25,119 --> 00:20:27,440 did that, it struck a nerve, and when it struck 388 00:20:27,480 --> 00:20:30,559 that nerve, it was titanic in proportion. He hit the 389 00:20:30,559 --> 00:20:34,960 iceberg and Twitter exploded on him, and when it did, 390 00:20:35,039 --> 00:20:37,480 it was I mean, and the memes and the trolls 391 00:20:37,519 --> 00:20:40,319 came out in force, and they've really gone after him, 392 00:20:40,680 --> 00:20:43,359 and even Nicky Hayley got in and said a culture 393 00:20:43,400 --> 00:20:46,319 that celebrates the prom queen over the math Olympiad champ 394 00:20:46,599 --> 00:20:49,319 or the jock over the valed Victorian will not produce 395 00:20:49,359 --> 00:20:52,799 the best engineers. That's what Ramaswami wrote. And then of 396 00:20:52,839 --> 00:20:54,960 course Nicki Haley wighed in on that and said, there 397 00:20:55,000 --> 00:20:57,920 is nothing wrong with American workers or American culture. We 398 00:20:57,960 --> 00:21:01,880 should invest in and prioritize a Mariamriicans, not foreign workers, 399 00:21:01,920 --> 00:21:06,119 she wrote, going back after Vivey. So if you're looking 400 00:21:06,160 --> 00:21:09,920 for that schism in the Trump world, that's it right now. 401 00:21:09,920 --> 00:21:12,079 And I think there's good points on all sides of 402 00:21:12,119 --> 00:21:14,880 this thing. That's why I'm kind of agnostic on it, 403 00:21:14,880 --> 00:21:17,079 because I think there's there's Does it need to be 404 00:21:17,160 --> 00:21:18,920 reformed and made better? Have the people that are slipping 405 00:21:18,920 --> 00:21:21,440 through the crack chests? Does it allow companies to probably 406 00:21:21,480 --> 00:21:25,960 prioritize cheaper foreign workers over American counterparts? Yes? Is there 407 00:21:25,960 --> 00:21:28,559 a way to make it deferential to Americans? I think 408 00:21:28,599 --> 00:21:31,759 there is, And still if they can't find if there 409 00:21:31,839 --> 00:21:35,599 is a an absence of qualified candidates, then that program 410 00:21:35,599 --> 00:21:37,839 should kick in. So there are ways, and I think 411 00:21:37,880 --> 00:21:42,279 you ultimately will see a rather remarkable solution out of this. 412 00:21:42,599 --> 00:21:44,279 I'm not one of those that's going to say, oh, 413 00:21:44,599 --> 00:21:47,400 both camps. This camp is absolutely wrong in that camp 414 00:21:47,440 --> 00:21:50,079 on this particular issue. There's a lot of good debate 415 00:21:50,119 --> 00:21:51,599 that needs to be had, and I think in many 416 00:21:51,640 --> 00:21:53,720 issues except for a lot of the left throws out 417 00:21:53,720 --> 00:21:55,799 there they're just man. I was looking through my notes 418 00:21:55,799 --> 00:21:58,000 that I didn't even get through from the last show 419 00:21:58,039 --> 00:22:00,119 and talking about, you know, the way in which the 420 00:22:00,160 --> 00:22:04,240 left wants to operate, you know, just with more governments, 421 00:22:04,319 --> 00:22:07,119 that their goal is more government spending and more government power. 422 00:22:07,279 --> 00:22:09,200 So I don't look at it. It's an easy that's 423 00:22:09,240 --> 00:22:11,720 an easy It's often very easy to shoot the left's 424 00:22:11,799 --> 00:22:15,359 ideas down because that they're there. They seek to divide 425 00:22:15,400 --> 00:22:19,880 people amongst a victim mentality that somehow every group is 426 00:22:19,920 --> 00:22:23,680 a victim, and thus government is the great equalizer, and 427 00:22:23,880 --> 00:22:29,400 we can redistribute people's assets or people's work, and redistribute 428 00:22:29,400 --> 00:22:31,799 that and give it to people they feel are entitled. 429 00:22:32,200 --> 00:22:34,039 And I don't know what amount of your work someone 430 00:22:34,039 --> 00:22:36,319 else is entitled to, but that's the argument that often 431 00:22:36,400 --> 00:22:39,880 is made from the left. So John, welcome to the program. 432 00:22:39,880 --> 00:22:41,599 How the heck are you today? 433 00:22:42,640 --> 00:22:46,599 Speaker 3: Readings and salutation see was well, good sir, How I 434 00:22:46,599 --> 00:22:50,599 wanted to talk about the H one B and the 435 00:22:50,759 --> 00:22:56,599 work ethic in different in different cultures groups. 436 00:22:57,039 --> 00:23:03,400 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I have to agree with the they because 437 00:23:04,279 --> 00:23:09,039 I've had the opportunity to I was in Afghanistan. We 438 00:23:09,119 --> 00:23:12,519 had third country nationals and we also had Americans that 439 00:23:12,720 --> 00:23:16,799 were assigned to the base that I was on, and 440 00:23:16,880 --> 00:23:21,440 I actually had a team that was mixed with Americans 441 00:23:21,680 --> 00:23:27,000 and the third country nationals from India and Pakistan. And 442 00:23:29,440 --> 00:23:35,799 I had to do more babysitting and applying boots to 443 00:23:35,920 --> 00:23:41,359 seats on the Americans in one day then I did 444 00:23:41,599 --> 00:23:47,359 to the third country nationals my entire tour in Afghanistan. 445 00:23:48,359 --> 00:23:51,640 Speaker 2: John's point was he had served overseas in Afghanistan, and 446 00:23:51,640 --> 00:23:54,960 when he did so, he had various people that were 447 00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:57,680 working on his team in I assume life and death 448 00:23:57,720 --> 00:24:00,839 situations over there, and that the work ethic of the 449 00:24:00,839 --> 00:24:04,559 Indians and the Afghans that he was working with was 450 00:24:04,599 --> 00:24:06,880 far superior to the Americans that were under his command. 451 00:24:06,960 --> 00:24:09,119 And he had to really work a lot of extra 452 00:24:09,279 --> 00:24:13,759 time to get the American troops that were working with 453 00:24:13,839 --> 00:24:15,680 him to kind of get the job done on a 454 00:24:15,680 --> 00:24:18,759 regular basis. Now, that is not an indictment of America. 455 00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:21,200 The point, I would say, and this is interesting because 456 00:24:21,480 --> 00:24:23,119 you can look at the history of the country in 457 00:24:23,160 --> 00:24:25,039 many different ways, and there are people that choose to 458 00:24:25,039 --> 00:24:26,920 look at in a very negative way. I choose to 459 00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:29,079 look at it. And there's never been anything like this 460 00:24:29,559 --> 00:24:32,799 with respect to entrepreneurship, with respect to innovation, with respect 461 00:24:32,799 --> 00:24:37,039 to overcoming obstacles and getting rid of of negative things 462 00:24:37,079 --> 00:24:39,400 that have occurred. But let's take it a step further 463 00:24:39,480 --> 00:24:43,119 and say it was the drive and the work ethic 464 00:24:43,240 --> 00:24:46,680 that built this country. It was the sacrifices made since 465 00:24:46,720 --> 00:24:50,319 then that have kept this country. And one could make 466 00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:52,359 the I would be one of these that and I 467 00:24:52,400 --> 00:24:56,240 don't it sounds very curmudginy. It sounds very like an 468 00:24:56,279 --> 00:24:59,759 older individual would say, I'm trying not to be that, 469 00:25:00,759 --> 00:25:04,440 but I am. So. It is that you've got to 470 00:25:04,480 --> 00:25:07,880 be concerned about the work ethic. Now, if you're concerned 471 00:25:07,920 --> 00:25:10,599 about public education over the past thirty years, part of 472 00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:13,640 what you've seen come out of that is this entitled mentality. 473 00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:16,799 And an entitled mentality is not a competitive one. An 474 00:25:16,960 --> 00:25:20,200 entitled mentality is not one that innovates and entitled mentality 475 00:25:20,240 --> 00:25:23,880 doesn't push a company to the limits and overcome tremendous 476 00:25:23,920 --> 00:25:27,960 obstacles to become better, bigger, faster, stronger, cheaper, more efficient everything. 477 00:25:28,119 --> 00:25:31,519 It doesn't build better mouse traps. It's very comfortable, and 478 00:25:31,559 --> 00:25:35,079 it also believes it deserves things that isn't everyone. A 479 00:25:35,079 --> 00:25:39,279 lot of these arguments unfortunately become about everyone. I Pavek 480 00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:43,160 Ramaswami says, hey, there's an Indian work culture that is 481 00:25:43,160 --> 00:25:45,960 different than the American work culture. People instantly say, oh, 482 00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:48,319 he just said that about all Americans. He didn't say 483 00:25:48,359 --> 00:25:51,440 that in general, though, And you see it if you're 484 00:25:51,440 --> 00:25:53,319 in a very mixed community, if you're in a Carry, 485 00:25:53,400 --> 00:25:56,119 North Carolina, or you're in parts of the Mechlenburg County 486 00:25:56,119 --> 00:25:59,519 area where you have these very diverse pockets carries very Indian, 487 00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:03,359 you see that. You see the Asian work ethic, You 488 00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:06,200 see that. You can go to any high school graduation, 489 00:26:06,559 --> 00:26:09,240 you see it. You see it when they walk across stage. 490 00:26:09,720 --> 00:26:15,160 It's a high propensity of overly overly worked. That sounds terrible. 491 00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:16,480 I don't mean to say over the work, but people 492 00:26:16,519 --> 00:26:20,960 who have worked strategically hard to be the best, and 493 00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:23,119 they carry that work ethic into college. They carry that 494 00:26:23,160 --> 00:26:27,200 work ethic into their professional life. So when Vivek is 495 00:26:27,279 --> 00:26:30,960 referring to that kind of work ethic America, I think 496 00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:34,279 in many ways was that way, has the capability of 497 00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:36,920 being that way. But many times when they're looking for workers, 498 00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:38,640 there's a lot of workers that when you enter and 499 00:26:38,680 --> 00:26:41,200 you know, if you've been in management, you've interviewed people 500 00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:42,720 that kind of just sit across the table as if 501 00:26:42,759 --> 00:26:45,480 they deserve the job. It's one thing if they actually 502 00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:47,640 do deserve it, but it's another one they feel entitled 503 00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:50,000 to it. And that's where the debate is now. One 504 00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:51,839 thing Trump said when he was on the campaign trail, 505 00:26:51,880 --> 00:26:54,839 he said it before, and it is that what is 506 00:26:54,839 --> 00:26:56,559 says what And you can hear him saying I can't 507 00:26:56,559 --> 00:26:58,400 do it? Trump limitation, There's many I can do. That 508 00:26:58,480 --> 00:27:00,880 one I have not mastered. It says what I will 509 00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:02,559 do and this is literally you can hear him say 510 00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:06,039 what I will do is you graduate from a college. 511 00:27:06,079 --> 00:27:08,599 I think you should get automatically as part of your diploma, 512 00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:10,279 a green car to be able to stay in this country. 513 00:27:11,079 --> 00:27:13,839 What he's saying is, if you made the effort, you 514 00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:16,920 were here legally, you jump through the hoops. You found 515 00:27:16,920 --> 00:27:19,039 a way to get into a college, you earned, you 516 00:27:19,119 --> 00:27:21,720 earn that degree, and you have it. You should have 517 00:27:21,759 --> 00:27:25,839 an opportunity to stay here to work because America benefits 518 00:27:26,119 --> 00:27:30,440 from a highly skilled workforce. Now it sounds like, you know, 519 00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:32,240 I'm picking a side here, and what I'm saying is, 520 00:27:32,319 --> 00:27:35,480 can that program be made better? Yes? Do I believe 521 00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:38,200 it'll be made better? Yes? Do I think that the 522 00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:44,200 past fifty years of degraded public schools and entitled youth 523 00:27:44,599 --> 00:27:47,920 has an impact on the workforce? Yes, I do. I 524 00:27:48,039 --> 00:27:51,519 do believe that many of the very loose policies because 525 00:27:51,519 --> 00:27:54,559 we've gotten away from the discipline in schools. We've gotten 526 00:27:54,559 --> 00:27:59,400 away from requirements. We don't teach technical reading, I mean, 527 00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:02,640 I'm sorry, technic writing. We don't teach the highly skilled. 528 00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:07,160 We don't teach economics in schools. We don't teach basic economics. 529 00:28:07,559 --> 00:28:09,440 A lot of our kids graduate from so they can't 530 00:28:09,480 --> 00:28:12,039 read at grade level. So if you've got a bunch 531 00:28:12,039 --> 00:28:14,559 of Irish kids that are over here that are competing 532 00:28:14,559 --> 00:28:17,359 at the highest levels because they teach technical writing and 533 00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:19,400 they teach them how to read, and they're highly skilled 534 00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:22,240 and competent, how do you say they shouldn't have an opportunity, 535 00:28:22,440 --> 00:28:25,079 And again I used Irish for a variety of reasons, 536 00:28:25,079 --> 00:28:26,839 not the least of which you completely understand without me 537 00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:29,119 spelling it out or showing you a picture. But the 538 00:28:29,119 --> 00:28:33,720 same thing for Indian kids or young people, if they 539 00:28:33,759 --> 00:28:36,880 are if they are valedictorians at some of the some 540 00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:38,680 of the at M I T and they want to 541 00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:42,359 work and drive the next the next innovation forward, and 542 00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:44,960 they're part of the team to do that, should there 543 00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:46,839 be an opportunity for them to do it here in 544 00:28:46,880 --> 00:28:51,480 this here, in this country, to make this country bigger, faster, stronger. 545 00:28:52,559 --> 00:28:56,359 You know, when I'm watching six generation Chinese fighter jets, 546 00:28:56,799 --> 00:28:59,200 you know video from all over the world where we 547 00:28:59,279 --> 00:29:01,960 can't compete with that. Do I want the best and 548 00:29:02,039 --> 00:29:04,880 brightest helping to build six gen fighters that can take 549 00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:07,759 them out of the sky or seventh genders that are superior. Yes, 550 00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:13,599 but this debate needs to happen, and I appreciate that 551 00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:15,839 it's coming from all sides of the right. Right now, 552 00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:19,000 I think the anger hopefully will tone down and we'll 553 00:29:19,039 --> 00:29:22,319 get away from the name calling, which unfortunately becomes, you know, 554 00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:26,559 kind of parcel to the way we do things. We 555 00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:29,119 love to attack people. The Vank's being, you know, just 556 00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:31,119 a sale for saying some of the stuff he said, 557 00:29:31,480 --> 00:29:33,559 when really what he's trying to say is if you 558 00:29:33,599 --> 00:29:36,359 find people with comparable work ethics and comparable values, Yeah, 559 00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:39,000 take the American first, and there should be an advantage 560 00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:41,559 for Americans, no doubt, America first. I'm all for that, 561 00:29:41,839 --> 00:29:44,039 But I'm for American companies first too, And if we 562 00:29:44,039 --> 00:29:48,400 can advance that company cause without bleeding to other countries. 563 00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:50,720 The brain drain, we've seen it, I can tell you 564 00:29:51,319 --> 00:29:53,599 in a small island like Puerto Rico, it's one hundred 565 00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:57,000 miles by thirty miles, and looking at what government's done 566 00:29:57,039 --> 00:30:00,319 there and the brain drain, quarter three hundred, three hundred 567 00:30:00,319 --> 00:30:02,880 and fifty thousand of the best and brightest have left. 568 00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:08,119 So what you've got left behind is less educated, less capable, lazier. 569 00:30:08,759 --> 00:30:10,599 And I don't know that's not an indemendal Puerto Ricans. 570 00:30:10,599 --> 00:30:12,880 Because many of the best and brightest and hardest working left, 571 00:30:13,960 --> 00:30:17,480 then Puerto Rico's left with a different work ethic, isn't it. 572 00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:20,920 And if we've abandoned teaching people the work ethic, who 573 00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:23,160 do we really blame for that? You can't blame another 574 00:30:23,160 --> 00:30:26,160 country for our lack of work ethic. You can't jump 575 00:30:26,279 --> 00:30:29,440 the VEC and say he's all wrong. So we'll see. 576 00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:32,880 You know, as this goes forward, Trump wants to keep 577 00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:35,079 people that are that are that are making some kind 578 00:30:35,079 --> 00:30:38,839 of sacrifice here in this country for this country. I 579 00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:41,039 don't know where it all shakes out, but it's an ugly, 580 00:30:41,160 --> 00:30:44,880 ugly debate right now, and that's because it just started. 581 00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:49,279 So we will see. So when you have Elon Musk 582 00:30:49,359 --> 00:30:51,640 that's arguing for so the one thing I will say is, 583 00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:54,039 I don't sense this will make you feel a little better. 584 00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:56,039 I do not sense from the Veke. I do not 585 00:30:56,119 --> 00:30:59,880 sense from Peter Thiel or Elon Musk that they're nar 586 00:31:00,599 --> 00:31:03,440 or their ego or their desires are anti American in 587 00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:06,079 any way. I really don't sense that. I don't see 588 00:31:06,079 --> 00:31:09,000 that they're not plants. These are people. And again, Elon 589 00:31:09,079 --> 00:31:11,119 must doesn't need any more money. I think he's in 590 00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:13,359 the fight, and everything I see is he's just in 591 00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:16,160 the fight to make the country better. If anyone believes 592 00:31:16,160 --> 00:31:19,759 in this country, it's someone like him. And look at 593 00:31:19,759 --> 00:31:21,880 what he's built. I don't think he would have built 594 00:31:22,079 --> 00:31:24,799 SpaceX if he didn't have this country's interest. I don't 595 00:31:24,799 --> 00:31:26,400 think he wants to go to Mars to put a 596 00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:29,200 Chinese flag on it. I don't think any country said, hey, elon, 597 00:31:29,279 --> 00:31:31,440 come to our country, will give you a better deal. 598 00:31:31,559 --> 00:31:33,839 He's not going to pick up shop and leave where 599 00:31:33,839 --> 00:31:35,559 he did pick up shop and leave as he left 600 00:31:35,559 --> 00:31:38,720 California and he went to Texas. Why because it was 601 00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:41,319 a much better regulatory environment, it was a much better 602 00:31:41,359 --> 00:31:45,359 tax environment, it was a much better freedom environment than California. 603 00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:47,920 But he kept it in America. He didn't abandon the country, 604 00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:51,960 and these other people aren't either. So you know how 605 00:31:52,319 --> 00:31:54,359 all these sides are going to work together. What kind 606 00:31:54,359 --> 00:31:57,799 of ideology will win out in Trump's size? And I 607 00:31:57,839 --> 00:31:59,599 don't think just Trump's I think Trump likes this. I 608 00:31:59,599 --> 00:32:02,839 think Trump likes a healthy debate amongst the people that 609 00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:05,640 are close to him. That's the question, though, where's that 610 00:32:05,759 --> 00:32:08,000 going to shake out? And I think you're going to 611 00:32:08,039 --> 00:32:09,319 be I think you're going to see a lot of this. 612 00:32:09,839 --> 00:32:12,039 But I think it's good and healthy and productive for 613 00:32:12,079 --> 00:32:14,079 the country. Now when we get on the other side 614 00:32:14,079 --> 00:32:16,200 of the break, there are a number of we're getting 615 00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:17,279 to the end of the year, so it's a lot 616 00:32:17,279 --> 00:32:20,480 of lists like what's the best what happened this year? 617 00:32:20,880 --> 00:32:23,400 And some of the fun ones are, you know, kind 618 00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:26,480 of what were what were some of the ridiculous things 619 00:32:26,519 --> 00:32:28,839 that happened this past year. So we'll get to that. 620 00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:32,839 We will talk about freedom beating authoritarianism. That's kind of 621 00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:35,920 the debate we're having this this previous hour. We'll talk 622 00:32:35,920 --> 00:32:38,480 about how does your dog Scientists are actually looking at 623 00:32:38,519 --> 00:32:42,720 ways to increase your lifespan. Really, because they're finding ways 624 00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:46,759 to increase your dog's lifespan. I don't know how you 625 00:32:46,759 --> 00:32:48,200 feel about that. I think most people would love to 626 00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:50,240 keep their dog. Imagine keeping your dog around for forty 627 00:32:50,319 --> 00:32:54,079 years like a parrot. I don't know. I don't know 628 00:32:54,119 --> 00:32:55,839 when the dog get bored. My dog just likes to 629 00:32:55,880 --> 00:32:58,200 sleep a lot after you got to a certain age, 630 00:32:58,359 --> 00:33:01,440 So I don't know about that. So we also want 631 00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:04,000 to get to some of the economic predictions that'll probably 632 00:33:04,079 --> 00:33:07,480 take place over the next year, and certainly your calls, 633 00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:11,440 your thoughts and how you think things should, could and 634 00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:16,160 might shake out, and then you know, and then also 635 00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:18,160 I do want to say, on the final note on 636 00:33:18,160 --> 00:33:20,440 the H one B visa, did you know and this 637 00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:22,960 is from Stephen Horn. Did you know that the state 638 00:33:23,039 --> 00:33:26,279 government in North Carolina is one of the largest h 639 00:33:26,359 --> 00:33:30,480 one B visa applicants and it's in the UNC system. 640 00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:34,799 Un C members made over five hundred visa applications last year, 641 00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:38,240 with an average base salary of ninety one thousand, seven 642 00:33:38,359 --> 00:33:43,079 hundred and fifty seven dollars. Most common job title for 643 00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:47,200 those in the state government through the UNC system was 644 00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:51,200 assistant professor. So don't think that North Carolina's removed from 645 00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:55,240 this and government does government. The UNC system benefits from that. 646 00:33:55,440 --> 00:33:57,720 Speaker 1: All right, that'll do it for this episode. Thank you 647 00:33:57,799 --> 00:33:59,720 so much for listening. 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