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Speaker 2: I do want to continue a little bit about what
Nick was talking about earlier, and that is this h
this H one B visa program, because if you're on
the political left, you are having the best time right
now because this H ONEB visa issue has erupted. Now
now one thing that is interesting to me. Let's step
beyond that the issue itself is fascinating, is worth it is?
It is a I would agree with Nick in this wed.
I didn't agree with everything, but it is a great debate.
Don't think that it's not is a phenomenal debate. It
is what we anticipated and what we like. Trump has
a diverse cabinet and many people on the political right
are illustrative of the fact that it's not a cult.
It is a lot of folks with different ideas that
all believe that we haven't, you know, an America First
agenda and the H one B program. It can be argued,
it can be argued in multiple ways that it's an
America First program, or that it's anti American first. So
it is a good, healthy debate because ultimately it is
about the freedom of free enterprise. It is about the
way in which free enterprise can best be achieved by
free men. You know, excuse me, freedom can best be
achieved that way by free men through free enterprise, so
or economic justice, I guess you could say, can best
be achieved. It's a weird line. It's the line from
the JC creed that's absolutely true. And when you break
all this down, it's how does a company go about
finding the best works? Are we interested in only finding
the best workers in America? Are we interested in finding
the best workers or most innovative people from around the planet.
You could argue Elon Musk has benefited personally from such
a program. I mean, he's South Africa and he's not,
you know, native born American. I think he has dual
citizenship now. But a lot of these the vag Ramswami
and Elon kind of tore the band aid off about
forty eight hours ago on social media and it went
flipping crazy. It has gone. It is not abated, is
not Laura Loomer's gotten involved. Millions of people are getting
involved now. One of the beautiful aspects of this entire
debate is how marginalized the regular historic media has become ABCNBCCBS.
They don't keep up with this stuff in real time.
They have kind of this bottled way. Even Fox Newsmax
I think is coming on very strong. Newsmax is eager
to replace Fox is the rights way to go and
get news. But all of those legacy the real time,
whereas talk radio is topical and timely. It is a
way for us to discuss things as they're happening every day,
and the legacy media doesn't have that, especially print. Print
is often outdated by the time you would ever get
it and be able to read it. And I think news,
if you ever watched news, whatever you choose to watch, CNN, NBC, whatever,
oars of Fox, you kind of see the package every
thirty minutes, updated and regurgitated back to you. So after
about thirty minutes you're getting ready, like I need to
try it to another station and see if they're not
talking about that. And even worse, day by day, the
topic tends to get repeated ad nauseum over and over.
I mean, and I'll say this, and I don't mean
I'm not belaboring it because we all care about the
immigration issue. But how many times do you turned on
and they're still talking about how you know, the immigration
system on a situation on the border. It's horrible, it's bad.
But when you hear it enough times, you don't want
people to get to tune it out. It is important,
it is relevant, but you overdo it, you get things
tuned out. So we will talk about that. We talk about,
you know, some of the ridiculous things that happened this
past year. My friend John Tamney has a great article
today about how freedom always beats authoritarianism, much to the
chagrin of the folks on CNN the political left who
like to scream that somehow freedom brings about authoritarianism. It's
just the opposite. Some economic predictions that are out there
just a fascinating time. So we will get to all
that here on News Talk eleven ten, nine nine three WBT.
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eleven ten. Now to break down the H one B.
It is too easy to jump in on one side
of this debate, and it's it's very heated, it's very complicated.
There are people that want to simplify it. Well, I
think Newsweek. I don't always agree with Newsweek, but I
think they did a fair job of teasing this out
a little bit. So I'm going to go with that
with that version of this debate. One side note, Gunther Engelman,
who is one a very prolific guy out on Twitter
or X. It is now the X platform, and there's
a lot of different platforms, but Next is now the
number one news app. In one hundred and forty countries,
including the US number one in one hundred and forty
different countries. That's that you talk about a transition that
you one couldn't have predicted number two. That is just
proof that there is nothing. There is nothing in news
or the free market that is etched in stone forever.
I mean, you and I have talked about this many
many times. You know, if you look back, you look
at where Sears and Roebuck was, or J. C. Penny,
you looked at where Kmart was. You look at these
great these these iconic piece of American history. We had
someone calling yesterday say we shouldn't forget the Vanderbilts and
all that. Well, they faded from grace. The things change
and we evolve, and the next person that builds the
better mouse trap dominates from an economic standpoint, or dominates
from a market standpoint. And we saw that with the
rise of Amazon and Apple. I can remember when you
couldn't give Apple stock away just for about two dollars
a share in the late nights early two thousand and
two thousand and one or so. But I was a
big believer in Apple back when the two E came
out in the eighties and then you saw that progress
and became great, but they had their own os and
people made fun of them. And then all of a sudden,
after the image of the iPhone, they become the largest
company on the planet. That's the beauty of the free
enterprise system. You constantly have to revise and become better
and become better and become better. And news media did
not do that. They evolved, but it was creaking. It
was it was being bogged down, and instead of becoming
very innovative and keeping their objectivity, they became partisan propping.
And and there's nothing unique about partisan propaganda. It's the
Soviet Union tried it. Everybody became provda. The view became
provd to CNN, became provd to whatever the government wanted
to say. They would echo and act like it. They
wouldn't question it. And the curiosity is what makes a
great media. And they lost their curiosity and they lost
their objectivity and people went to where they could get that.
And Twitter is one of those places x X platform.
But so much of social media. It's not just that
there's multiple versions of it. I mean, Trump has truth
social and there's just a plethora of places that people
get their media, and that's going to continue to be
the case. I don't know what will be next. The
other thing we're seeing is the evolution of these things
in a much more rapid fashion. Instead of things taking
you know, fifty years to change and then got down
to twenty or ten. Now it's four or five. That
the switchover for you to digest new ways of getting
information can be. It at eighteen months when Elon Musk
walked in with that saine, which was odd. He does
odd things. He's an odd fellow, an amazing individual, but
an odd When he walked in with the kitchen sink
and he took over Twitter that morning, That that iconic
moment where he bought Twitter and the media lost their
minds and many people try to stop him. It funded,
it changed. That was the beginning of we're not going
to start being a one side of me. He turned
Twitter around and in a very short period of time
it has become the number one app news app in
one hundred and forty countries. That's that's what the chaos
of the free market and the focus can bring.
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Speaker 2: This h one B. I love debate for anyone who
listens to me friendly at the time, I love it.
I love it when listeners disagree and we have these
discussions about you know, what's going on? What do we
do how do we solve problems? I happen to believe
it is very strongly that those ideas typically are a
less government, smaller government, uh, more entrepreneurship, more free markets,
more local control. Those are the things that I believe
do matter. Constitutional frameworks where you look at what the
Constitution says the government should be doing, that tends to
work and has worked for two hundred and some odd years.
I think we get sideways when we get away from that.
I think the framework, oddly enough, persists, you know, a
quarter of a millennial later that we continue to see it.
It work, and the outline there is a delineation of
what government should not be doing, their list of rights
that you have as an individual. So the H one
b IF This is interesting because I did listen to
what Nick had to say, and he made some valid points.
The debate in the Republican party right now, the Democrats
are largely sidelined on this. They're not really the one
thing they would ultimately do if this becomes a debate
in Congress and a real schism, a real split between
the Republicans in the House or the Republicans in the Senate.
The Democrats have the real opportunity to pick one side
or the other, not be divided themselves and sway the debate.
So one of two things would happen with the Democrats.
They would if this does persist, I think they'll ultimately
be some kind of hybridized solution here that'll keep the
at least on this issue, that will keep the Republicans together.
But the Democrats have one of two choices. Should it
persist and should it produce a schism at least on
this immigration and I'll get into what those issues are.
They could pick the side that will cause the most harm.
In other words, they look at the two options that
the Republicans put forward, they picked the one they believe
will make Americans most unhappy, and then vote on that side.
And then you know, say hey, look what the Republicans
did to you see we want to make it better.
Or they could put all that aside and they could say,
you know what, here's what we think is best for
the country and side with that moving forward. Now. I
don't know what they'll do, but we'll see. So this
is how it breaks down. With Newsweek, a heated debate
within the Republican Party over highly skilled and that is
end quotes immigrants and H one B work visus has
broken out over the otherwise quiet holiday week, and it
did it. It erupted on social It absolutely has been
an eruption, reflecting the deep divisions within both the GOP
and the Trump base, which by the way, are the same.
Elon musk back by tech allies like Vivek Ramaswami. Elon's
finding himself at odds with the MAGA true believers who
have long pushed for stricter immigration policies within a carve out,
without a carve out for the so called high skilled
workers that they argue are taking well paying jobs for Americans.
So to summarize that part, you've got an H one
B work visa that allows companies to use highly skilled
workers from other countries to help fill their ranks. Now,
an argument that some people would make is that's taking
American jobs. You could also say that that's the one side,
you're taking American jobs. You could also say you can
get those people for less money. So it's in a
company's best interest to find the cheapest skilled labor they
can find to fill those jobs. So there would be
a you would make the argument that has a corrosive effect,
that it's kind of un fair. The other argument you
can make on the other side, and that's why I
see validity on both sides, is that the job of
a given company reporting to its stockholders is to provide
the highest level of service or the best product for
the lowest price. So if you can get those skilled workers,
what if they're better than their American counterparts. And I
would call your attention back to how we developed, you know,
the atomic bomb. We didn't do it with just American scientists.
We brought in Germany, you know, German scientists. We got
signists from all over the world to do the Manhattan
Project and built the bomb. That's a that's an overly
vivid example, but it works and it functions. So the
veig Ramaswami kind of jumped into this and he threw
out there that hey, look, you know, we can get
better workers that are driven differently in many ways than
the workers here. We can get through a lot of
skilled workers from India that are that are highly skilled.
David Sachs, the South African American venture capitalists, came to
the person that's been promoted to this is Trump's AI
policy advisor, I'm sorry. He sharm Sharam Krishman's appointment is
Trump's AI policy advisor is being criticized because he's kind
of on the side with Elon and Vivey and high
tech companies do benefit from this. And Elon Musk benefited
from this. He came from to this country on a
J one academic visa. He then transitioned into an H
to one B. And Tesla is one of the largest
companies benefiting from this. They've hired seven hundred and twenty
four people on this program just in twenty twenty three alone.
But you look at that, and so the concern is
it does take American jobs. The other side of it
is we're getting workers that you otherwise would not be
able to get without that program. So that being said,
a company like Apple it was mentioned earlier in the broadcast,
or Tesla or any other company, you could say, well,
if they don't have that program, they could just in
their facilities overseas in other countries, hire those people and
move those jobs and move that portion of their tech
operation overseas, which doesn't benefit the country.
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Speaker 2: It's a remarkable journey. Life is in the pitfalls and
the ups and downs. And this h one, this h
one B visa program it you know, it's it's it's
it's a shame that it's become. I mean, I'm looking
at the personal insults being thrown at people like Vivek
and stuff, and and Vivek said he waded into it
in a very bad way, and we'll talk a little
bit about that. So this is about quote unquote highly
skilled the very specific subset of workers. They have to
have very specific skill sets and allows companies to hire
them on that work visa, you know, and and typically
you're going to get them cheaper ten times what they're
making in their country, but cheaper than a comparable American worker.
So the argument is made, Hey, you're hiring people in
front of Americans. But you could also make the argument
that you're hiring people that may have a superior skill
set to their American counterparts. Now I'm not saying that
they're better, but if you're building something, if you were
building a boat, or if you were in a surgical
room and you were assembling the best team to operate
on the patient or build the boat, you would want
unfettered access to the best minds or the best engineers,
regardless of where they were. They were highly educated, the
best of the best. That's what you wish you could hire.
And that's what the H one B visa really was
created for, was to fill in gaps. But where it
got kind of crazy in this is when it starts
becoming very personal for a lot of folks. And I
get it. You know, on the one side, you want
much more strict like a lot of folks that are
Trump supporters want far stricter immigration controls period across the board,
no exceptions. But we are in a global economy and
at a certain point, you at least with the H
one B visus. Those are people are here legally. You
know who they are, where they come from, why they're here,
what they're doing. All of those things are known to
DOC so it is a legal path to work in
the country. But when so, Laura Lumer's been really on
this and she's attacked everyone and said that anyone who
disagree agrees with Vivek and Elin, they're wrong. But when
you looked into this, vive Ramaswami, who's not someone known
to just hold back, he weighed into this and when
he did this is his post really set people off.
And what he said was that the H one B
are needed because American culture, and I use that phrase
the way he did, culture doesn't prioritize a work ethic
the way Indian culture does. And when an Indian we're
talking about the country video. Indian immigrants received nearly seventy
five percent of all of the H one visas in
twenty twenty three that allows a US company to employ
foreign workers and specially occupations. Since Trump was elected last month,
discussions about reforming the program have intensified, with some advocating
for removing country specific caps on green cards to address backlogs.
So the people that attacked those folks, they're saying, well,
it's really like Laura Lumer and others were saying, Hey,
this benefits Musk and he's doing it to serve his
own self interest, that he is that Box CEO Aaron
Levy and PayPal co founder Peter Thiel who want this
age that they're benefiting themselves. Now, I would argue those
people have more than enough money. It's not about the
money for them anymore. It's about innovation and opportunity. And
it sounds like I'm in favor of this program. I
think you can always make a program better or get
rid of it, and in this instance, I think it
certainly needs to be looked at. It needs to be reviewed.
But if you've got you unbelievably gifted individuals that have
a place to make our companies more innovative, we should
have an opportunity to do that. Now, what Viveate did
that really ticked everyone off, was saying that America's culture
didn't have the same work ethic. Now, for any of
you who have lived around and I worked closely for
the past ten years with someone from India's culture, and
he is one of the most remarkably driven individuals I've
ever known in creating a medical travel company that we
called it importing tourism, importing medical competition. So if a
given area only had one hospital, and we said, well, heck,
if you want to, we'll take you to another country.
You can have top of the line of positions, look
at you, operate on you for about a fifth of
the price, and have a at least as good, if
not better outcome. So we wanted to bring medical costs
down in this country because it was running it is
running a protectionist racket. That company has since been expanded
massively to include about twenty two countries now and so
some of the co founders of Amazon have come on board,
and it's a huge international company. And that work ethic
was there so to say that there is something to
the Indian work ethic. The big hit. But when he
did that, it struck a nerve, and when it struck
that nerve, it was titanic in proportion. He hit the
iceberg and Twitter exploded on him, and when it did,
it was I mean, and the memes and the trolls
came out in force, and they've really gone after him,
and even Nicky Hayley got in and said a culture
that celebrates the prom queen over the math Olympiad champ
or the jock over the valed Victorian will not produce
the best engineers. That's what Ramaswami wrote. And then of
course Nicki Haley wighed in on that and said, there
is nothing wrong with American workers or American culture. We
should invest in and prioritize a Mariamriicans, not foreign workers,
she wrote, going back after Vivey. So if you're looking
for that schism in the Trump world, that's it right now.
And I think there's good points on all sides of
this thing. That's why I'm kind of agnostic on it,
because I think there's there's Does it need to be
reformed and made better? Have the people that are slipping
through the crack chests? Does it allow companies to probably
prioritize cheaper foreign workers over American counterparts? Yes? Is there
a way to make it deferential to Americans? I think
there is, And still if they can't find if there
is a an absence of qualified candidates, then that program
should kick in. So there are ways, and I think
you ultimately will see a rather remarkable solution out of this.
I'm not one of those that's going to say, oh,
both camps. This camp is absolutely wrong in that camp
on this particular issue. There's a lot of good debate
that needs to be had, and I think in many
issues except for a lot of the left throws out
there they're just man. I was looking through my notes
that I didn't even get through from the last show
and talking about, you know, the way in which the
left wants to operate, you know, just with more governments,
that their goal is more government spending and more government power.
So I don't look at it. It's an easy that's
an easy It's often very easy to shoot the left's
ideas down because that they're there. They seek to divide
people amongst a victim mentality that somehow every group is
a victim, and thus government is the great equalizer, and
we can redistribute people's assets or people's work, and redistribute
that and give it to people they feel are entitled.
And I don't know what amount of your work someone
else is entitled to, but that's the argument that often
is made from the left. So John, welcome to the program.
How the heck are you today?
Speaker 3: Readings and salutation see was well, good sir, How I
wanted to talk about the H one B and the
work ethic in different in different cultures groups.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I have to agree with the they because
I've had the opportunity to I was in Afghanistan. We
had third country nationals and we also had Americans that
were assigned to the base that I was on, and
I actually had a team that was mixed with Americans
and the third country nationals from India and Pakistan. And
I had to do more babysitting and applying boots to
seats on the Americans in one day then I did
to the third country nationals my entire tour in Afghanistan.
Speaker 2: John's point was he had served overseas in Afghanistan, and
when he did so, he had various people that were
working on his team in I assume life and death
situations over there, and that the work ethic of the
Indians and the Afghans that he was working with was
far superior to the Americans that were under his command.
And he had to really work a lot of extra
time to get the American troops that were working with
him to kind of get the job done on a
regular basis. Now, that is not an indictment of America.
The point, I would say, and this is interesting because
you can look at the history of the country in
many different ways, and there are people that choose to
look at in a very negative way. I choose to
look at it. And there's never been anything like this
with respect to entrepreneurship, with respect to innovation, with respect
to overcoming obstacles and getting rid of of negative things
that have occurred. But let's take it a step further
and say it was the drive and the work ethic
that built this country. It was the sacrifices made since
then that have kept this country. And one could make
the I would be one of these that and I
don't it sounds very curmudginy. It sounds very like an
older individual would say, I'm trying not to be that,
but I am. So. It is that you've got to
be concerned about the work ethic. Now, if you're concerned
about public education over the past thirty years, part of
what you've seen come out of that is this entitled mentality.
And an entitled mentality is not a competitive one. An
entitled mentality is not one that innovates and entitled mentality
doesn't push a company to the limits and overcome tremendous
obstacles to become better, bigger, faster, stronger, cheaper, more efficient everything.
It doesn't build better mouse traps. It's very comfortable, and
it also believes it deserves things that isn't everyone. A
lot of these arguments unfortunately become about everyone. I Pavek
Ramaswami says, hey, there's an Indian work culture that is
different than the American work culture. People instantly say, oh,
he just said that about all Americans. He didn't say
that in general, though, And you see it if you're
in a very mixed community, if you're in a Carry,
North Carolina, or you're in parts of the Mechlenburg County
area where you have these very diverse pockets carries very Indian,
you see that. You see the Asian work ethic, You
see that. You can go to any high school graduation,
you see it. You see it when they walk across stage.
It's a high propensity of overly overly worked. That sounds terrible.
I don't mean to say over the work, but people
who have worked strategically hard to be the best, and
they carry that work ethic into college. They carry that
work ethic into their professional life. So when Vivek is
referring to that kind of work ethic America, I think
in many ways was that way, has the capability of
being that way. But many times when they're looking for workers,
there's a lot of workers that when you enter and
you know, if you've been in management, you've interviewed people
that kind of just sit across the table as if
they deserve the job. It's one thing if they actually
do deserve it, but it's another one they feel entitled
to it. And that's where the debate is now. One
thing Trump said when he was on the campaign trail,
he said it before, and it is that what is
says what And you can hear him saying I can't
do it? Trump limitation, There's many I can do. That
one I have not mastered. It says what I will
do and this is literally you can hear him say
what I will do is you graduate from a college.
I think you should get automatically as part of your diploma,
a green car to be able to stay in this country.
What he's saying is, if you made the effort, you
were here legally, you jump through the hoops. You found
a way to get into a college, you earned, you
earn that degree, and you have it. You should have
an opportunity to stay here to work because America benefits
from a highly skilled workforce. Now it sounds like, you know,
I'm picking a side here, and what I'm saying is,
can that program be made better? Yes? Do I believe
it'll be made better? Yes? Do I think that the
past fifty years of degraded public schools and entitled youth
has an impact on the workforce? Yes, I do. I
do believe that many of the very loose policies because
we've gotten away from the discipline in schools. We've gotten
away from requirements. We don't teach technical reading, I mean,
I'm sorry, technic writing. We don't teach the highly skilled.
We don't teach economics in schools. We don't teach basic economics.
A lot of our kids graduate from so they can't
read at grade level. So if you've got a bunch
of Irish kids that are over here that are competing
at the highest levels because they teach technical writing and
they teach them how to read, and they're highly skilled
and competent, how do you say they shouldn't have an opportunity,
And again I used Irish for a variety of reasons,
not the least of which you completely understand without me
spelling it out or showing you a picture. But the
same thing for Indian kids or young people, if they
are if they are valedictorians at some of the some
of the at M I T and they want to
work and drive the next the next innovation forward, and
they're part of the team to do that, should there
be an opportunity for them to do it here in
this here, in this country, to make this country bigger, faster, stronger.
You know, when I'm watching six generation Chinese fighter jets,
you know video from all over the world where we
can't compete with that. Do I want the best and
brightest helping to build six gen fighters that can take
them out of the sky or seventh genders that are superior. Yes,
but this debate needs to happen, and I appreciate that
it's coming from all sides of the right. Right now,
I think the anger hopefully will tone down and we'll
get away from the name calling, which unfortunately becomes, you know,
kind of parcel to the way we do things. We
love to attack people. The Vank's being, you know, just
a sale for saying some of the stuff he said,
when really what he's trying to say is if you
find people with comparable work ethics and comparable values, Yeah,
take the American first, and there should be an advantage
for Americans, no doubt, America first. I'm all for that,
But I'm for American companies first too, And if we
can advance that company cause without bleeding to other countries.
The brain drain, we've seen it, I can tell you
in a small island like Puerto Rico, it's one hundred
miles by thirty miles, and looking at what government's done
there and the brain drain, quarter three hundred, three hundred
and fifty thousand of the best and brightest have left.
So what you've got left behind is less educated, less capable, lazier.
And I don't know that's not an indemendal Puerto Ricans.
Because many of the best and brightest and hardest working left,
then Puerto Rico's left with a different work ethic, isn't it.
And if we've abandoned teaching people the work ethic, who
do we really blame for that? You can't blame another
country for our lack of work ethic. You can't jump
the VEC and say he's all wrong. So we'll see.
You know, as this goes forward, Trump wants to keep
people that are that are that are making some kind
of sacrifice here in this country for this country. I
don't know where it all shakes out, but it's an ugly,
ugly debate right now, and that's because it just started.
So we will see. So when you have Elon Musk
that's arguing for so the one thing I will say is,
I don't sense this will make you feel a little better.
I do not sense from the Veke. I do not
sense from Peter Thiel or Elon Musk that they're nar
or their ego or their desires are anti American in
any way. I really don't sense that. I don't see
that they're not plants. These are people. And again, Elon
must doesn't need any more money. I think he's in
the fight, and everything I see is he's just in
the fight to make the country better. If anyone believes
in this country, it's someone like him. And look at
what he's built. I don't think he would have built
SpaceX if he didn't have this country's interest. I don't
think he wants to go to Mars to put a
Chinese flag on it. I don't think any country said, hey, elon,
come to our country, will give you a better deal.
He's not going to pick up shop and leave where
he did pick up shop and leave as he left
California and he went to Texas. Why because it was
a much better regulatory environment, it was a much better
tax environment, it was a much better freedom environment than California.
But he kept it in America. He didn't abandon the country,
and these other people aren't either. So you know how
all these sides are going to work together. What kind
of ideology will win out in Trump's size? And I
don't think just Trump's I think Trump likes this. I
think Trump likes a healthy debate amongst the people that
are close to him. That's the question, though, where's that
going to shake out? And I think you're going to
be I think you're going to see a lot of this.
But I think it's good and healthy and productive for
the country. Now when we get on the other side
of the break, there are a number of we're getting
to the end of the year, so it's a lot
of lists like what's the best what happened this year?
And some of the fun ones are, you know, kind
of what were what were some of the ridiculous things
that happened this past year. So we'll get to that.
We will talk about freedom beating authoritarianism. That's kind of
the debate we're having this this previous hour. We'll talk
about how does your dog Scientists are actually looking at
ways to increase your lifespan. Really, because they're finding ways
to increase your dog's lifespan. I don't know how you
feel about that. I think most people would love to
keep their dog. Imagine keeping your dog around for forty
years like a parrot. I don't know. I don't know
when the dog get bored. My dog just likes to
sleep a lot after you got to a certain age,
So I don't know about that. So we also want
to get to some of the economic predictions that'll probably
take place over the next year, and certainly your calls,
your thoughts and how you think things should, could and
might shake out, and then you know, and then also
I do want to say, on the final note on
the H one B visa, did you know and this
is from Stephen Horn. Did you know that the state
government in North Carolina is one of the largest h
one B visa applicants and it's in the UNC system.
Un C members made over five hundred visa applications last year,
with an average base salary of ninety one thousand, seven
hundred and fifty seven dollars. Most common job title for
those in the state government through the UNC system was
assistant professor. So don't think that North Carolina's removed from
this and government does government. The UNC system benefits from that.
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