Speaker 1: All right, we're live episode number thirty seven of The Inquisition,
Everyone's favorite right wing panel show.
Speaker 2: People to bring it back to what we were saying
for everyone Live about the demographic that's targeted for Agro
by the Zionists and anti anti fascist andngos. This this
idea too, that in what they call pejoritatively flyover country,
people are sitting around thinking about Jews. I mean, that
doesn't there's the reason why, like in the old resistance days,
the skinhead movement jumped off and you know, New York City, Chicago, Detroit,
Los Angeles, it wasn't it wasn't much a rural guy.
He's like deciding that at the top of their agenda
was to be hostile to Jews for no reason, you know,
basically people who were I mean, things have changed a
bit now because there's a wider conceptual horizon. People have
just doing the just doing the information technology and things, obviously,
but this idea that Rando's just sit around thinking about
Jews is bizarre. I mean, that's one of the reasons
always empatize the people that this garbage, this this this
nonsense cult that these pieces of shit like Ted cruz
abide like nobody's actually into that. There's a handful of
a dumbass Walmart shoppers and an eighty year old ladies
or into that. But you know it's a million miles
wide and a quarter centimeter deep. Like I mean, first
of all, no one's gonna no one, no one's gonna
go out and die for Israel. Okay, like no, no,
none of these like dispensation list they're gonna literally go
die for Israel. So it's a fucking joke anyway, But
you know, nobody, it's just not relatable to to anybody,
Like why why is this even on your mind?
Speaker 1: That?
Speaker 2: Like that's reason it's so weird. It's like, so you're
in rural Texas and you've decided you want to pretend
to be Jewish, Like why why would they even hurt you?
You know, And it's what remains the bully pulpit allows
people to abide this uh propaganda narrative that there's actual
depth to this. You know. It's like I like scientology
has like a billion dollar endowment, but all like two
thousand people who belong to it, you know. I mean
it's so they buy a bunch of real estate and
they put out these very slick looking sort of promos
and stuff. But it's it's hollow, there's nothing there. You know.
Speaker 1: It changes. It changes as like the I guess like
to your point as the lump and pearl check. Uh,
you know changes basically whatever Jews are afraid of. This
is now the hotbed of anti Semitic thought. First it
was like you said, rural whites, which made no sense.
Now it is you know, young men, young white guys.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like what's like, how to i'dn't even heard the
term in cell in probably seven years until these until
these uh normies started bandying it. It's like how they
It's like, oh they It's like it's like all these
normies all heard about the Proud Boys like two years ago,
despite the fact that like nobody's like like like the
Proud Boys haven't been anybody's radar since like January sixth,
But they they just heard about it because they're always
six years behind, you know, and that's their that's their
current buggy van of choice, not traditionally. And I was
talking to a friend of mine because she she was, uh,
she's she came across this this stuff when she was
doing some research on the Black legion, which was this
rogue UH clan faction in Detroit, and they're actually gonna
a dope. They had these black uniforms, you know, they
for they decided to for a go of the white
hoods for these black U uniforms with varying of the
tolen cough as their heraldic standard. But in then North
Uh traditionally, the South is viewed as basically, you know,
friendly to Jews, or at least not opposed to them,
and the earliest Jewish settlements in the New World, with
Stephard being and who settled the South in the seventeenth century.
That's why the Leo Frank narrative made no sense, you know,
from the ad L side. But traditionally Northerners people like me,
like Northern Protestants, northern urban Protestants like Trump's father was,
and people like me are viewed as these kind of
like Jew hating sectarians, and like in the South, it's
you know, it was viewed as well. You know, Southerners
might not be particularly key to Jews and Cathlics, but
they're not a hostile to them. And everything is race.
You know, it's weird. They flipped it like that, like oh,
and the North, you're fine, but those Southerners just hate Jews.
How do you figure there's no there's no precedent for that,
and there's not. You know, it's not an accident that
the nineteen twenties Klan, you know, the d C. Stephenson
Klan when it when it swelled the you know, literally
like five million members, you know, it was it was
based in Indiana and in its heartland became you know,
the Midwest, and it was a it was an ultra
sectarian outfit. You know, they they were they weren't sitting
around talking about blacks, like why would they? You know,
that's so, I mean, it's not the fact. I mean, yeah,
I realized trying to tease up accurate narratives from what
a mouth design is propaganda is a fool's errand but
it's oddly illiterate on the American situation, I guess.
Speaker 1: And they yeah, really, whoever, the whoever the hotbed of
antisemit Semites are, wherever their socioeconomic class, whatever, It really
just tells you who their target is, the Jews, not
the supposed to anti Semites that don't exist. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Well, the reason the reason in the South that is
just so false. Is because.
Speaker 4: People start to have opinions about is when they're around them.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And I'm from New York. I grew up in
New York. I lived in New York for the first
eighteen years of my life. I was around them all
the time. Yeah, down here, Yeah, I mean, it's it's
an outlier. When you know, in Alabama, if you if
you meet a Jew, it's it's an outlier. You're you
meet five hundred people, maybe one of them will be Jewish.
Speaker 2: What also odds are in the Deep South. You meet
some Jewish guy, he's gonna be He's gonna be some
like Shelby Foot type who's descended from Sefardine. And you know,
culturally he might be different, but he's not. He's not.
He's not some urban Asknasam who you know whose parents
immigrated here in nineteen thirty who's got all these you know,
conceptual prejudices that originated infested in the pale settlement. That's
a totally different thing.
Speaker 1: And yeah, interesting thing about the Safaridom in early America
is you know, much like how the the various Protestants
came to America, I mean, the religious persecution thing. Okay,
all right, Like it's a bit of a stretch, but
basically to kind of break away from religious structures that
existed in the Old World and the Safhardum that came
to America in the in you know, the early days,
so sixteen seventeen hundred into the prelude to the Civil
War very much came the same way that the Protestants did.
Because if I look at Sephardim culture at the same
period of time back in Europe, it is hyper racialized,
it is hyper clickish, hyper hostile to you know, European society,
European civilization. And this is where you see like the
early setups of like these rabbinical schools, these uh you know,
Talmud learning centers, whatever, and it was very much at
odds with But the Sfardam that came over in you know,
colonial America, they were very similar to the Prods, where
their religion was almost a secondary function, like they were
kind of starting from scratch the same way the Protestants were.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's its own thing, and well, yeah, that's why
JP Benjamin, you know he there there wasn't you'd be
hard for us to find. I mean, Benjamin actually was
he kind of had a role almost like Earhard Milcht
did because he arrived too late in his role because
the war was already lost. But he actually had had
a very deep understanding of scaled economics and he had
the right idea in terms of what he was trying
to accomplish. But even his enemies, there wasn't this notion
of oh, he's like a dirty jew like it wasn't.
That wasn't the way people approached things. And plus two
there there really is a difference. Like I made the
point in uh as the zion estate really sort of consolidated.
You know, there's a there's a fascinating incident where Idea
shot it out with Ergun as the as the idea
tried to disarm ergun And and these stern gang types,
you know, say that to consolidate everybody into the idef
who was you know, racially Jewish according to the strictures
of the Zionist state, you know, who was under arms?
And I haven't coded the data, but the what became
the core of these of of h the Zionist, the
militant Zionis establishment was almost exclusively askanasm Like I said,
I think Ariel Sharon was an was an oriental view
like his late age was indigenous to Palestine, but he
was That was the exception mostly, Diane. I'm not sure either,
but most of these guys, they had a background like
Ariel Sharone. They are these dual like Nau, they were
these Uh, they're the dual citizen Ashkenam who h didn't
have any connection to the region before the you know,
Zionist enterprise developed real momentum, you know, and uh, they're
the they're the they're the sons and grandsons of you know,
people who who emigrated there to to ethnically clans and
occupy Palestine. And that's that's not accidental. It's not accidental
that there's not some ecumenical sensibility between Orientals. Suffer them
in the Askam, at least within that faction of the
zion estate, and after being was murdered, I mean, that's
the only faction that really matters.
Speaker 1: So that's very interesting if you've had the unfortunate experience
of having to do business with Israeli's which if you're
in tech, you don't really have a choice. You'll bump
into them eventually, right, and every one of them will
be very honest with you that it is a racially
stratified caste system. That's what the state is.
Speaker 2: Well that's also that's why I said jew.
Speaker 1: Israeli government seeks to preserve Ashkenazi power over the other
you know types of Jews that live there.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, well what's also when the Ethiopian when Ethiopian
jewelry was pushing for a respondents the right of return
of status, you know what? What what was Tel Aviv's
claim is all these people aren't Jews. Well they got
you know, their DNA maps, they certainly are Jews, you
know the whole I mean, Ethiopians are interesting people. They're
very much an outlier. And I I believe this is
a bit of a tangent. But if you read about
what happened in Rwanda, it was uh, the the the
war cry the hutu's translated to something like send the
Tutsis back up the Nile. Like their view is that
these aren't real black folks. You know, they're there there
there there was some Arab overlord cast and there's something
to that. But be as it may, the view of
Tel Aviv was basically like, you know, these the the
these n words aren't real Jews, you know, they a
bunch of darkies. But I mean it's like they it's like, look,
according to your own strictures, these people are Jewish.
Speaker 1: Yeah, both both can be true. So are you a
racial state or are you not?
Speaker 2: Yeah? No, one hundred percent. So it's it's like you
can't and I mean they're the ones. It's these it's
these are Zionists who.
Speaker 1: They sterilized all of them, didn't they or tried to.
Speaker 2: There was something fucked up like that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I remember this is this, This happened. They told
them that they had to have mandatory vaccines because they
came from Africa they could be carrying malaria. And they
found out later that they were sterilizing the fucking of
the Opiu women.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think it was a temporary sterilization, Like like.
Speaker 1: I hate when I get one your.
Speaker 3: Environmental birth control.
Speaker 2: Well, because it may the the entire That's why it's bizarre.
I mean, it's it's one thing if if these if
these simpletons want to bandy moronic uh cold war talking
points or bumper sticker Pablo and like Israel is our
only l I in the region. But you can't if
you're gonna go around and claim that Israel is this
liberal social democracy, that's just asine. It is a it
is an an overtly racial social estate. It's just not
anything else. It's never pretended to be anything else. And
it's kind of incredible to me o people will just
parrot that, you know, that's that that that's totally that's
uniquely at odds with reality.
Speaker 1: Yep, and how it functions in the West is as
an organized crime syndicate. Okay, for organized crime then it
is now no.
Speaker 2: Of course, but I mean even in value neutral terms,
claiming that's really the European style social democracy, it'd be
like insisting Japan is a Marxist Leninist state. I mean,
it's just like at odds with reality in naked capacities.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 4: It's so I'm off of Twitter, but it seems like
Japanese and Americans are having a love fest over their
hate of the rest of the world on Twitter lately.
Mm hmm, like like, yeah, my friend Tom Woods said
said something when he was recording with oron McIntyre yesterday
that he's he paid for his three k history oldest
girls to visit Japan like six months ago and what
he what they said was and I thought this was
really interesting, was they loved Japan, but they felt like
they didn't belong there.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I can attest to that. That's the way it was
thirty five years ago. Yeah, they'll be polite and everybody
will go out of their way to be solicitous, but
they're not going to pretend like you belong. And there's
something impenetrable about, yep, about Japanese society.
Speaker 1: But it's and if you try and go to like
the wrong bar at, you know, in the wrong place,
the less sophisticated, you know, much smaller than you bouncer
will probably be the only person in Japan that will
say it, will tell it to you straight. But it's
what everybody else in Japan is thinking. And that's no
GUIDs an allowed.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like you don't belong here, don't be oub toose,
you know. And it's no I mean gragic case. And
don't get me wrong, I mean it's like a dying
civilization because America lilally murdered it. But they're not. The
way they're going out is just kind of out of
like quiet to spare.
Speaker 1: They're not.
Speaker 2: They it was what America tried to do to America.
Don't get me wrong, America tried to do to them
what was done to Germany, but it failed because it
was impenetrable. There's not there's not a colon of vocabulary
and conceptual terms to to dismantle it that way from within.
Speaker 1: What's interesting is what's happening with the youth in Japan. Tom.
I don't know if you've been paying attention. They don't
get any real press, but like a lot of the
guys on the right will pay attention to like what
like the European youth are doing, and you know, a
lot of the various right wing movements because of it.
I guess up until now we've had virtually no access
to Japanese h you know, kind of cultural you know,
artifacts and and news. But the right wing, particularly sub
forty years old, is booming in Japan.
Speaker 2: No, that's great.
Speaker 1: These guys are up on all stuff that we're up on.
Speaker 2: No mean, the guys from a I mean, this is
very subcultural, but I like Bound for Glory a lot.
You know, they're an old RIC band, American ric band,
and they're from Minnesota. They're from the Twin Cities, they
went to Japan, this was probably like five six years ago,
and they played a bunch of shows because this one,
this one Japanese right wing outfit brought him there and
they dropped a bunch of cool stuff before their Instagram
account got nuked. You know, they were saying they were
they were dropping I praise on this Japanese cadre that like,
well at the red carpet for them, which is proper.
I mean the Japanese there are allies just just like
you know, adjacent elements within Daryl Islamar and I mean
that as it was in nineteen forty as it is today,
but the one of the obstacles to the Japanese right.
And you get they touched on this a bit in
the Paul Strader back got Yukio Mishima. Traditionally, with the
exception of some high profile polls, particularly in Tokyo, who
were openly right wing who got into executive or mayor
roal roles and stuff, right wing sensibilities were bound up
with criminal subcultures like Yakuza. Guys were openly right wing.
The UH, the uh, the biker culture there, which is
totally different than like the one percenter culture you know
that the stuff that was the subject to their old
documentary God Speedy Black Emperor. Those guys were based on
the farm team for the Akuza. You know, they they
were open. They they'd openly like fly a right wing
anti American flag. But you know in uh as As Japan,
it's kind of like cellary man culture of a game dominant.
I mean that's totally faded now to your point, but
anything that appeared to be disreputable in class terms, and
it didn't help that so many Yakuza guys are are
of Bura Khoman heritage.
Speaker 1: Well, no, I think that's actually you hit on a
really good point, Thomas, in class terms, and I don't
think a lot of people understand the distinction. You mind
going into that a little bit more.
Speaker 2: Yeah, depands a truly feudal society. The only thing really
comparable is the UK and our experience, but Japan's more
more homogeneous. In the United Kingdom and uh people people
look at the Yakuza, they say it's the Japanese mafia.
It's not. It's not like the Italian mafia basically, And
even the term yaku'sah that that card game that they
all play, yak who's uh is uh it's a. It's
the vocalization of the of of the numeric losing hand
in that game. So if you say I'm a yakhu'sa,
you're basically saying I'm a loser in life. I am
at the bottom. And buraku and they weren't a traditional underclass.
They came about because they tended to be people who
worked in unclean professions by you know, because a big
aspect of Shinto is things that are ritually unclean. So butchers, undertakers,
people who in their lineage had women who were prostitutes.
You could never overcome that. You you became ritually unclean
and respectable, people don't associate with you. That was the
core of the akuza. And they were kind of the
last guys who were openly, you know, worshipers of the
emperor and the imperial idea, you know, and and who
took pride in in in Japanese racialism and a people
what liberals view was like a chauvinistic way. So it
kind of became bound up this idea of being right
way and kind of being bound up with with with
with mob guys and burak kuman stuff. And again I'm
not like a I'm not a japan expert. I don
want to speak the language or anything. But I do
know something about the accuso, and I do know something
about the Japanese right wingings such as I can lean
across the winguistic and conceptual divide. But that's that's what
I meant.
Speaker 1: I find I find it interesting that economics, or the
failure of economics, is the driving force driving young people.
I think between that and spiritual forces that are, you know,
beyond men's total comprehension and control.
Speaker 2: Well, I think, yeah, I didn't mean interrupt you.
Speaker 1: You're fine.
Speaker 2: No, Japan's are not. Chase two. The the kind of
quasi conspiracy theory that I think actually isn't really a
conspiracy theory was that MET, which was the Japanese Trade Ministry,
and Japan's not a free market economy, and the way
we think of it, like in the eighties and nineties
NBA speak, they'd say, oh, in the Japanese system, there's
a bureaucracy that quote picks winners and losers. By what
they mean is that MEETI and a constellation of other
governmental and quasi governmental organizations they decide what industry gets
funded and gets pushed and gets subsidized, and what doesn't. So,
for example, the Japanese decided they were going to conquer
the global auto market and take it from Americas. That's
exactly what they did. And they did that through a
combination of exchange rate and tariff mercantilism and having their
firms operate at a loss in key markets for as
long as they had to until they could capture those markets. Okay,
and MEETI is where a lot of this policy and
decision making originates from. The claim is that the Japanese
Defense Ministry basically became MEETI after you know, the Tokyo
trials and stuff, and the guys who'd been spared prosecution
basically reconstituted as MEETI. And there's something to that when so,
especially considering the Cold War paradigm and Japan was very
much under threat from the Soviet Union. Obviously, okay it
there was a certain right wing sensibility that went into
Japanese economic planning that wasn't just metaphorical. There really was
a power political aspect to it. When the nineties hit
and when Japan finally was when their incelarty was broken
by Wall Street, and they became dependent upon American financial
instruments for example, that diminished their not just their incelarty
but their autonomy to act and sovereign power, political capacities.
But also you know, I do take some exception when
people say, oh, Japan failed in the nineties. Japan's got
what one hundred and thirty million people. It's it's a
third the size of Europe and the United States. Like,
infinite growth is not possible on an on a nation
that's essentially an overpopulated volcanic island with no natural resources
and a and a dwindling population. Okay, but there's really
not much there for a young person, you know, guys
or girls. Obviously young guys are going to be the
driving engine of dynamic activity. But you know, it's not
like young Japanese women if if they can't find a husband,
it can provide for a family, you know what. It
becoming a forty year old office lady doesn't exactly seem appealing.
I wouldn't imagine, you know.
Speaker 1: And it's very similar to the US or through the
West for at large, where you see a bifurcation of
males right there is you know.
Speaker 2: This the tendencies, is what you mean.
Speaker 1: Well, also that men, there's a cast of men that
have you know, deliberately sissified themselves.
Speaker 2: Uh yeah, yeah, was always sexually weird too. I'm not
saying that pejoritively, but they're.
Speaker 1: Just there're very you can buy women's panties in vending machines. Yeah,
I mean, you're not talking out of line.
Speaker 2: Well, it's also just it's just sexually weird. I mean,
like I mean, don't get me wrong. I mean, America
is re perverted, and there's a there's real dishonesty about that.
I mean, it's America, who who consumes all this disgusting pornography.
But there's also a core of basically white Britain normalcy
to most people with you know, I believe that also
was kind of hardcoded into America despite propaganda. In the contrary,
Japan is uh, And I've got a lot of respect
for Shinzo and for the kind of Mountain Buddhism that
also is is you know, an aspect of Japanese religiosity,
But there's very pagan strange there, and there's a lot
of very strange sex stuff. So I think there's a
unique susceptibility there there wouldn't be in say in America
or in Islamic society.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's there's a I don't know what the distribution is,
but just from my observation and conversations I have with
friends that live there, it's very similar to like the
the percentage of young men that basically broke left and
are you know, cool with basically becoming spiritual women like
giving up on masculinity or here in the US it
was like you know, view talks to as toxic, right,
so like being less masculine was how you fit in
with the regime and it's apparatics and there it's basically
I can't remember what it's called, but like these men
openly like do not pursue women. But also like this
is where you see like the the sex pillows and
the sex robots from like they've just basically removed themselves
well in a very different way than America, but the
end result is the same. They're removing themselves from the
fucking gene pool.
Speaker 2: Well something that's I think it's lost on some people Historically.
The reason why if you read something like Arabian, you know,
the thousand Arabian nights, or if you look at the
course of the auto insultants, or if you look at
some of these strange aspects of the Mandarin Court, you know,
and which endured really until the Red Revolution and China,
there's odd oriental aspects seat that that have seeped into
America obviously owing to globalism as well as this critical
mass of racial aliens. And there's something a stock character
and all these examples that I just indicated is uh,
you know, there's the there's the Harem munix. But then
there's also some some court advisor who some like very gay,
kind of effeminine meal. That's that that's a real thing
in ultra stratified renal societies. It's not just because there's
some critical mass of gays. Some guys just make that decision,
your point, because that's really the only thing going, you know,
And am I gonna be? Am I gonna be a
ditch dick or decide to basically become like a shemail
and then I can have a comfortable life at court
and people will be nice to me because I'm no
threat to the center of power, you know.
Speaker 1: And this is why, this is why infiltration politics will
never work. Why secretive politics will never work. There's a
lot of guys that are like, oh no, we have
to you know, infiltrate the political apparatus as it exists,
or we need to do secret societies. I know, like
that bat guy talks about that all the time. Like,
I'm sorry, if you are a racial underclass majority, these options,
these pathways are closed to you if you want to
cut your cock off, or you are five foot five
really swarthy and can pull off a kippa, like, these
options are excluded for you.
Speaker 2: Well that and it's not and it's just not the way,
it's not the way a white person should think, you know,
And I exactly, you know, and I'm gonna i am.
I am a heritage American and that means that my
uh you know, you know, at the end of the day,
my spirit animal is an Austrican painter. But my my
cultural totems are the ways and practices and warrior ethos
of Ulsters. So when I think about revolutionary politics, I
think of Cromwell, I think of Daniel Shay's and I
think of Andrew Jackson. You know, that's one of the
reasons I maintained that for a continental uh Thinker earns
the Younger is uniquely relevant to the American situation because
if you're if you're part of the Aryan yeomanry, especially
if you're reformed, you know, you should be looking into
the anarch as conceptualized by Younger as your model. You know, uh,
we we don't we we don't want to. We don't
want to recreate some we don't want to imitate, you know,
the core of the English Royals. We don't want to.
We don't want to become Oriental so that we can
cancer the reins of government. We don't we don't want
the welfare state. But you know, with with us at
the Helm, you know, we want to burn it the
fuck down. We want to get to the point where
it's not only legal, but it's validated to take people
like Lindsay Graham and force feed them their skin. You know,
that's the goal.
Speaker 1: That's what we're going You're just never going to to
get there. And this is I mean, there is a
there is a portion of people, right regardless of their
you know, that are generally very well intended, right that
basically from in a frame of mind that lends itself
to these these these personality types are very important. We
need them. Most of our our racial achievements are from
men like them. Right, Our science, our inventions, our discoveries
come from a specific type of autism. I don't I
shouldn't use the word autism, right, but it's the very
iron t j engineering mind or engineers.
Speaker 2: Like ultra left brain people.
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, and they will basically they will agree on well,
they don't have the type of personality that allows them
to see beyond what exists. Right, So because of that,
it is.
Speaker 2: Not political thinkers. That's why scientists don't run things on
the political side.
Speaker 1: Well, this is the problem with like a lot of
the right wing discourses, a lot of the non sphere,
a lot of the you know, political actual right wing
is driven, is made up of people like this. There's
very there's there's a vast majority of them that you know,
would be better served you know, building something, right, architecting
a bridge or you know, writing a new piece of
software or inventing a new you know thing. And because
of that, like they can't really, they can't really just
it was like in nobody could envision a world where
the Kaiser did not exist, and then all of a sudden,
one day he didn't exist.
Speaker 2: No, that's why, that's why I find myself at odds
with the what kind I mean, if we have to
use the terms in condes? What what? What the mainstream
is of people who claim to be dissit encoded, because Yeah,
there are a bunch of guys I think things are
reducible to IQ or they they've got no problem with
government has constituted. They just think it's the wrong sets
of personalities staff that you know, I'm I'm a I'm
a radical right brain person, you know, Like I don't
think that way, you know. And I admit that like
guy who's can build bridges or you know, develop a
better airplane or you know, design a computer that emulates
aspects of the human mind, Like that's that's way more
impressive and significant than the stuff that I do. But
I understand politics and these guys don't. And they can't
get that through their head that it's not a math
problem or something, you know, And they can't read historical
variables because it's it's not it's not a concrete thing
that can be reducible kinds of inputs that they're comfortable
dealing with.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they think that this is the shape it was before.
So unless the thing exists in you know, is this shape,
these two shapes don't match. But they don't understand that
these shapes can never match the situational that basically, the
facts on the ground in like let's say, you know,
nineteen thirties Germany are slightly similar in spirit to what's
happening now, but the situation is not going to be
the same situation. Right. We live in a world full
of complexity. Yeah, technologies, now go ahead.
Speaker 4: Let me Ezra Thomas. What was eva? Evla was at
odds with the National Socialists because Evela thought that trying
to take over the government was he was against that.
What was his reasoning on that?
Speaker 2: Again was complicated because on the one hand, the SS,
particularly the sd WHO, which kind of became a nasty organization.
They were spying on Evila and they issued this report
to the right community Security Office. He's saying that, you know, Evilla,
they said, in their words, he was quote a reactionary
Roman of a sort because he was highly critical in
the regime. But when Hitler had scorseany spring Mussolini and
brought Mussolini to Wolf's where Julius Evla was there too
to greet him. So, I mean he had good offices,
not just with the party but with the fear, you know,
and there were elements of the SS I'm sure who
had an annual disposition towards him. You got to if
you really want to understand that the core of it
is ethical, Okay, Julius Evla he looked at He looked
at the National Solzio's Party as having some potential to
roll back what he viewed as as a basically Anglophone
and Judaic cultural rot that had seeped into European life
in conceptual and discursive terms.
Speaker 3: But he.
Speaker 2: Also viewed it as a as a vulgar mass movement
that the mandate of which derived from essentially like a
ballot box supermajority. After the Communists were dealt with, you know,
and Jonathan Bowden gave a talk an evil like Evila
is his model of a sort of like a perfect
government in a harmony with with God was basically almost
something like the you know that the court of the
Egyptian Pharaoh. Again that I'm not being silly, you know,
obviously with with certain aspects that were commensurate with with
modernity as it existed, but he he was on a
totally different program. You know. His view was that political life,
religious life, metaphysics, it all had to derive from this
solar cult of metaphysical knowledge that was and the reason
why you know that Pharaoh was the Pharaoh, or Caesar
was Caesar and the Kaiser was the Kaiser as big
because within his bloodline and within his curated uh racial
cast was an ability to access knowledge and understanding of
this metaphysical data that's not accessible to lower orders of man,
you know, And that's that's the way things need to
be ordered in order to return to, you know, the
golden age of human existence, when you know, the planet
was literally ruled by this aryan overcast that emanated out
from UH, the the Cacassus heartland and what's now you know,
modern Central Asia and the step like that was his notion.
So looking at it, off Hitler, he's gonna be a
Hitler as the soul of an artist, and he's a warrior.
He's a warrior artist and a great man in some
sense that in some concrete sense obviously, but he's basically
leading a proletariat or revolt against like the enemies of
his race. And like that's that just makes him a
tribal warlord, you know, and tribal warlordism is is just
as diminished as as democracy or communism is just obviously
not as destructive to ordinary people's way of life. And
obviously it preserves some aspects of high civilization, but it
does so in sort of a museum piece sense, you know,
it doesn't actually revive anything like that. That was the issue.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you see, you see that kind of creeping
in in various ways that they were trying to basically
fill a spiritual kind of empty space in the ideology
various ways.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And that's the problem is. And I got into
this yesterday with my friend Taylor from manel of Hill.
That was the subject we're talking about on the mind
face with you know, and I I mean, grant, I've
got a more charitable view of the German Reich than most.
The problem was was was Zeitgeist. And if you read
if you read stuff like Rosenberg Smith of the twentieth century,
you know, I mean, I think Rosenberg had some odd ideas,
but I find neo paganis I'm gonna odd. But in
Rosenberg's case, I think a century before he would have
been a pretty He probably have been like an observant
Lutheran and what he gaven occurring to him. You're dealing
with the zeitgeist that insisted God was dead, religion is over.
You know, everything is reducible to you know, the world
is is energy, matter, time and space, and human behavior
owes to blood and biological variables, and it's it's it's
meaningless to talk in any other terms. You know. The
degree to which this was just the way everybody thought
can't be overstated. That's why, you know, what really ended
the Cold War. It wasn't like because the Gipper was.
This was this military and political genius. It wasn't just
because communism doesn't work. I mean, yeah, there was a
constellation of causes, proximate and ultimate. But what destroyed communism
is that the Zeitgeist collapse, that Zeke collapsed, you know,
and the Catholic moment is the uh, the the Islamic revival,
you know, and ultimately that jihad against communism in Afghanistan.
Nobody saw this coming and that took down that twentieth
century Zeichgeist. That's a ridiculous one. Like some of these
like Reddit types or somebody's midwies they cite like Richard Dawkins.
I'm like you, people are totally out of date. Like
nobody thinks like that anymore. You know, you're you're speaking
the language of nineteen seventy.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 1: It's because people don't know. And okay, so to push
to not put push back again, I will push back
on the the Court of the Pharaoh bit. But what
EVERLA is saying is true? Right. Everybody knows this. They
just haven't had it explained to them in a way
that they can index. But everybody knows that the things
that a person really knows right, that they know instantly
as truth comes from somewhere else. That's not your thinking,
you know, brain of words, it's a felt thing. That's
how you know something to be instantly true yet having
not had any time to examine them.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 1: It comes with a emotive force. Right, So not only
do you think this is true, you know it to
be true?
Speaker 2: Well would change things written large, and I know that
people don't. It's the points what plays when people say, okay,
you can't read something that's wrong to the enlightenment and
intrigues therein that aim to secularize the human existence. But
the whole project of modern philosophy in the Western world
was to resolve the problem of universals and the question
of the thing in itself. And there's no way to
resolve that. So what Newton did was he said, well,
actually it's not even a question because if you look
at say, if you can say the colored green, there
isn't actually a colored green. So I don't even need
to contemplate this phenomena in isolation, because all it is
is that it's a constellation of chemistry and atoms, and
the way that nerves and biological structures in your eye
perceive it, it just registers a degree. So there is
no thing in itself because again, the entire everything in
the cosmos, and everything that's tangible and every thing observable
is uh is just a kind. It's just matter, chemistry, energy,
UH and and and time and space. And if you're
gonna restrict inquiry and conceptual aspects to that criteria, I mean, yeah,
you can basically cut off any other line of inquiry
and you can say that I've resolved all these.
Speaker 1: Philosophy MAGA voters support the war in Iran.
Speaker 2: What's that.
Speaker 1: Of mega Republicans? Support the war in Iran.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Probably. If we're only going to ask these people, then
of course we're going to get this answer.
Speaker 5: Right.
Speaker 1: If we're only going to look in these places, of
course we're not going to find anything.
Speaker 2: Well, then that's why, that's why, that's why the new
atheism is a joke, because basically it's saying I'm smart
and you're dumb because you know, according to these parameters
that I will not permit inquiry beyond you know, you
you can't that you can't make the case for you know,
the existence of a non material cause of the cosmos,
you know. And it's uh that that'd be like me saying,
you know, okay, I I want you to develop a
mathematical model for you know, how to how to how
to build a structurally sound of house. You can only
you can only use numbers from one to one hundred.
You know. It's it's an arbitrary criteria tailored the preclude uh,
you know, answers that have been deemed not desirable according
to the priorities of the declarant you know. So it's
not something I take seriously, Like you don't have to
believe in God. I think it's kind of silly not to.
But I'm not saying you have to believe in God
or think like me. But if you if you think
that stuff like Richard Dawkins is is a meaningful or
intellectually rigorous or a fucking dummy, that's on order. Reading
Anne Rand, you know, I mean like you're fucking idiots.
And I don't respect that kind of thing. And I
didn't mean to say I was in justineaty Vola was
saying that like the Court of Ramsey's the third or
something was like this ideal modality of of government or
anything like that. You gotta speaking broad struses because you're
talking about complex metaphysics, and uh I it was. It
was an impart analogy. When I think of a truly
integra when I when I when I think of an
integral cultural expression of metaphysics, theology, worldly authority, ethics, I
think of Egypt, Okay, And that's one of the reasons
why it's so evocative when people think of mysterious and
mystical ancient forms. That that's all I meant that. I
wasn't suggesting that there's no and they structured the state, right.
A majority of the priests just served the function of
what we sayre bureaucrats, right, the religion, the faith system
was the state in both you know, conceptual sense but
in a physical sense. So it is a very good analogy. Yeah, okay,
fair enough. Yeah, I just wanted to clarify.
Speaker 1: That's evil talked about like the Chivalric orders as being
the closest that European man came to the transcendence of
like both the temporal and the political and the transcendental
being kind of one thing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, and I mean it, uh. And I've always
got a fascinating account of northern versus Southern Europe. I
mean not in like a stupid way like midwester bandy
day about like Nords versus moods do meds. Meds are
things you get from the pharmacy. They're not like But
aside from that, U. No, I I'd heard of julays
Elah because even I mean even in even in in
old resistance days, his name would come up, particularly if
you looked at like political soldier faction stuff from the
National Front, which uh like Metzger's war and and instoration
and would would would run sometimes in the zine days,
but I'd never actually read him until right around the
very late nineties early two thousands, there's some really interesting
print material coming out. And Michael moynahan, you know, he's
he's like one of boy Rice's home He's and he's
the guy who founded Blood Axis, you know that this
kind of post punk, the o folk outfit. And he
was behind the publication of The Tier Journal, which was awesome.
I mean that was very Neil Pagan, but it was
it was really good. I I've got in one of
my in my myriad boxes of books, I got a
bunch of old Tier journals. But anyway, moynahan founded a
publishing house called Inner Traditions, and uh they put out, uh,
Men among the Ruins, which is Evila's most overtly political book,
and in the in the appendix appenduses is actually a
one of the things that the protocol is the elder design.
I'm getting to give you an idea of how political
it is. We're bold against the modern world is evil
as metaphysics, and that's that's an awesome book too. But
Men among the Ruins was the first thing I ever
read by Julie Sebla, and uh, it's his most political book,
and that totally changed my thinking. That sounds corny, but
other than other than probably Hobbes, Leviathan Hegel's h Philosophy
of History, The King, James, Bible, and and Imperium, that's
probably the most important like books in my worldview. It's
it's it's awesome. So no, I've hired praise for Julius Eblo,
but you know he, I mean all those uh you
know Merci and Renee Gillon as well. H I mean,
my I'm probably were similar to Guinon in terms of
his in terms of metaphysical postulates, but you know, Genan
was kind of purposely aloof to politics. But I I
consider Men among the Ruins essential reading. It's also like
a lid miss.
Speaker 1: Did you just drop.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he just dropped out. Remember that he.
Speaker 1: Was saying, there we go.
Speaker 2: I got I got flooded for a second.
Speaker 4: Sorry, you were saying Among the Ruins was a litmus test.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because if people want, like in a nutshell or
at a glance, like what what's theres with you and conservatives?
Or why don't you like faga or or why don't
you like closet homosexuals who love the Israel and order
pete hexcess like soiled under we were off of eBay.
It's like, okay, well read men among the ruins, Like
that's that. That's what it to me. That's what it
is to be right wing or to be you know,
a national socialist and present day in substantial measure. And
it hasn't has anything to do with FAGA. There's nothing
to do with you know, this bullshit that these fucking
he loops are into. It's a totally different thing, you know.
That's why it's that's why I always feel uncomfortable. I mean,
I I I find a way to have a good
time where I'm at, like I mean, but uh, when
I get dragged the stuff like am or and I'm
not being critical, I was honored that they youngsters a
loted me on decks so bad, you know, I mean,
that's why I go to stuff like that. I just
don't feel comfortable around those fucking people, man, because uh,
we we were not we we're not the same, you know,
and we don't everything in common with them, and I
don't know what to say. I you know, on the
one hand, obviously away in my life, I'm not particularly
concerned with what people think about me. But I'm also
not I'm also not keen to like going away with
a fan entire rooms full of people unless they're all
total assholes or something.
Speaker 4: So I never quite I get a test to the
fact that Thomas said Amern is pretty fun to watch.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and and no, we we had fun when we
were there, man. But uh but no, that's why it's
not even quite I guess what I'm getting at is
that and I'm not I'm not trying to be too
cool for school or something. But this isn't a middling
point that there's there's there's basic, intractable categorical differences between
what I'm into and what that represents. And one thing
has nothing to do with the other. It's only because
America is this bizarre, the like post New Deal of
American political culture is bizarre. It's hyper secularized, it's got
bizarre parameters, you know, and even if you tried to
even if you try to educate one of these people
and be a fool's errand you know, so.
Speaker 4: I was talking, I was talking to our friend Christian
Secor last night.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you've had you've had him on.
Speaker 2: He's a good dude, man.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: He was making the point that even a lot of
people that we like and we consider our guys and
we consider it to be comrades, still are buying the
myths that were that were built in. Yeah, even like
the myths from the founding and all of these myths,
they're not willing to see them as myths. When I
say that, I'm not saying they're not willing to they
it's not like they recognize that their myths and that
they may be useful in some way, but they're actually
bought into the myths.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I think. Yeah, I don't disagree, and and
I mean that's fine, you know, but that that's why
I said, we don't talk about political matters with most people,
I mean, including even a lot of people who are
supposedly on side and mean prelimited purposes they are, but yeah,
they're just not They're not going to be able to
grasp this. And I mean maybe that's a good thing.
Speaker 1: Okay. They can't see that. They can't see where comes
after the kaiser until the Kaiser's gone.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I think that's well put. Definitely, I'm i
gotta go, I gotta make a run before the rush
hour starts, and I haven't You can tell him still
kind of sick. I haven't I haven't really eaten the
last couple of days. I got like a tremendous hand
ring for a b O T. I must go, I
must go and search with a bolt in some polls.
Don't be offended. It's Carl's fault that I'm Carl. Yeah,
I'm gonna blame it all on Carl. But no, I
don't be like people make fun of me because they
say that, like, you know, how hours you turn into
a punkin or something. Part of it, too, is that
I I like sitting for an hour, I kind of
have to. I gotta get up and stretch and stuff.
Speaker 1: But I'll it's just you being bigoted, of course that too.
But Carl is doing the best that a black man can.
We were I mean, did you not read the New
York Times? Like being on time is racist? Yeah, color people.
Time exists for colored people. So I mean we have
to give our friend Carl the wide berth.
Speaker 2: No, no, that's fine. I just him for everything. But uh, yeah,
well this is great. When yeah, when you post this up, like,
make sure you tag me so that I know that
it's up. And i'll i'll, i'll, i'll cross post it
onto my sub stack and well, hopefully we can get
Jack up in here soon, man, because he's always a
welcome edition. But I realize he's uh, he's got his
own ship going on. But yeah, thanks, Oh no, there's Carl. Yeah,
that's that's fairly timely because I can I can dip
out and Carl can take up the slick.
Speaker 3: But it's the.
Speaker 1: First time Carl has been timely about anything.
Speaker 2: Can we don leave? He's been here the whole time.
He's just like, was being a dick and we need
me to leave.
Speaker 4: But well, we don't want him listening to this because
we don't want to hear him to this ship.
Speaker 3: We've been talking about him.
Speaker 1: Black fragility. Black fragility is real.
Speaker 2: Ay man, my errands and get and get b old
and Bushmills fills.
Speaker 1: All right, man, Yeah, I try and get uh, let's
try and get Jay on here next.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll talk to him. I'm gonna we recorded stuff
yesterday and I I usually talked to him, and we're
gonna he and I we're gonna do whatever you should
google Friday, so I'll bring it up to him then. Yeah,
thank you, I really Thomas.
Speaker 3: Yeah, man, what's up Carl? Hey, gentlemen. Uh so we
so we've.
Speaker 4: Already talked about Jews and Eva la okay, and what
else have we talked about?
Speaker 3: Stormy?
Speaker 1: Oh?
Speaker 5: You?
Speaker 1: I had done a really good thing right before before
Thomas rudely interrupted us with his dietary needs and Carl's absence.
Myth's about kind of the yeah, the myths, and I
think I've been having a conversation with you, Pete and
with Carl kind of about which was you. Guys, everyone
that's listening to this needs to go check out Pete's
recent show with Darryl and field House. It is very
very good.
Speaker 4: It'll be public on Thursday night.
Speaker 1: Well, if you're listening to this after Thursday, just put
this on pause and then go do that and then
come back and play this, because I think that's a
perfect place to pick up on because you're functionally we're
talking about the same thing.
Speaker 4: Yeah, the we did an episode if you're hearing this before,
on Thomas Kuhn. Thomas Kuhn who basically introduced us to
the term paradigm shift, and he was coming at it
from a scientific He was an engineer, so he was
coming at it from a scientific.
Speaker 3: Angle. But when you when you start applying it.
Speaker 4: Once he came came up with that, everybody started applying
it to everything and applying it to politics, and you know,
you just quickly realize that things aren't linear. Nothing the progressive,
the progressive myth of history and everything just getting better
and better and better. It's also call it the whig
theory of history. If you wish no something, something happens,
and especially in history, it seems like it's most often
something tragic, something something horrible, and that causes a shift
in a new way of thinking and people, you know,
I mean, the most obvious is the you know, the
episode like if if you've listened to Daryl's latest episode,
part two of Enemy, the fallout of the ending of
World War One, the monarchies going away and basically the
Bolsheviks trying their best to take over Europe all at once.
So this caused, this caused a paradigm shift where not
only did you not only did you lose monarchies, and like,
you know, the names of these these classic houses that
I think Daryl describes it as their names were as
permanent as like the ocean.
Speaker 3: The names of the oceans.
Speaker 4: Now they're gone, and you're something new is trying to
take over, and it's disastrous as people and murderous as
people are seeing, and it's being reported of what's coming
out of Russia at the time, and and it just
causes people to start thinking differently, and you start having
these different movements, and you know, you start having the
reaction of the National Socialists in Germany and fascism in
Italy and Action Action Fransei in France, and yeah, everything
just goes haywire. And the myths are basically you need
new myths. The old myths do not work anymore.
Speaker 6: Which is in contrast to the wig Nat theory of history,
which is that society collapses question Mark, we're victorious, right,
It kind of dovetails nicely with that something will happen
and we don't know what it's going to be. Does
American society need to collapse utterly for.
Speaker 3: Things to change?
Speaker 5: Probably not, almost certainly not.
Speaker 6: But what about like a carrier group at the bottom
of the sea, you know, off the coast of Iran.
Speaker 5: What about a totally failed.
Speaker 6: Incursion by airborne forces who just you know, initially take
some ground and everyone celebrates and then they get rocked
with Iranian missiles. What is the what's going to happen
after that? Like a total shift in the way people think.
Speaker 1: Let alone, the tragedy's already happened. Yeah, exactly right, the tragedy,
because I mean who is politically engaged. It's young people.
Could you imagine like somebody trying to say, what's happened
to young people in the Western world is not is
anything but tragic?
Speaker 4: Well, here's the thing, Okay, So the tragedy, the tragedy
is happening. Okay, the thing that the going to cause
the shift is happening. But something else is happening at
the same time that needs to be addressed, and it
needs to be addressed seriously by serious people who aren't spergs.
Is that Zionism is dying and Israel is dying. Yeah,
and so everything. What has caused all of these problems
for you know, the last one hundred and twenty one
hundred and forty years. Yes, I know it's twelve hundred
to two thousand years, But let's concentrate on the situation
we have at hand right now. As history has played
out since since the turn of the twentieth century, the
you you you also have to take into consideration and
recognize that Zionism is essentially dead. They just don't know
it yet. It's just not it's not fully dead. It's
you know, it's like the Princess Bride. It's not, you know,
not completely dead, but it's not going to be resurrected.
So what comes next? And it seems like everybody is looking.
Everybody thinks that what's going to replace it is it's
like libertarianism. We want the state to fail and then
everybody will become a narco capitalist or libertarians.
Speaker 3: Well, that's not going to happen.
Speaker 4: It's like what has what has been presented to them,
what has been built? What has been built in reality,
not on Twitter. Yeah, that people are going to embrace.
You know, it's like you hear sometimes you'll hear like
right wing. You know, these groups groups of guys will
get together and they're like right wing and they're like, okay,
we want to do something to help. Okay, we want
to start a right wing book house. It's like, okay,
we have enough right wing book houses. How about you
do this. How about you go open a bunch of
soup kitchens in your area. Because the people who are
going to The people who are going to be leaders
in the future are going to be the people who
can feed other people. That's the way it always is.
People are going to be looking for food, so you know,
come up with that. Come up, you know you can
if you have if you know hunters, if you're in
an area where they send out hunters to call the
deer population. Okay, this is meat that you could be
taking and you could be processing, and you could be
freezing for a day when people need food and you
can feed them. This is the kind of thing that
people are not thinking about. People are thinking about, Oh,
we're going to you know, it's going to be nineteen
thirty three Germany. It's not going to be nineteen thirty
three Germany. That is that's in the past. It's also
something that is foreign to most people in this culture.
So look at what the world is right now, look
at how people are offering right now, and figure out how,
if that gets any worse, how you can solve that problem.
Speaker 1: Well, people that history, people just.
Speaker 3: Worry about that.
Speaker 4: If people just want their ideology and ideology ideology. Know,
one thing that Burnham taught us, especially in Suicide of
the West, is ideology is you can have the most
perfect ideology in the world. As soon as it gets
introduced to the air and it leaves your house, you know,
you try to introduce it to the public outside of
a laboratory, it starts to fall apart immediately. So come
up with something that is actually practically workable in the
real world.
Speaker 1: Well so, my opinion on this is it's a both
and question, right, or it's a both and answer. The
The reason why you're not going to get national socialism
as it manifests itself in Germany is because there's millions
and millions of different tiny variables that are different there
and different here. But if you took the same spirit
and you put it through the filter of today, you
would get something different and at the same time very similar, right,
almost of the same spirit with national socialism. Look how
it did with mass communication technologies the Internet, right back
towards the myth of America. Would the founders have created
an institution called Congress if mass communication, Internet and blockchain
technology existed? What would the what would possibly be the
purpose of sending a bunch of men to DC right
to basically elect representatives and send those representatives like that
that wouldn't actually be a problem you would have. Right,
So the same ethos of representations, the same spirit moving
through that filter would create something completely alien but at
the same time similar in its purpose, in it's in
its driving force. They would be the same, but they
would look entirely differently. And you can pretty much do
that with every other major technological epoch. You can do
both national politics and local politics at the same time.
Because what I was talking about, like engineer brain before,
and how that represents ninety five percent of people on
the right. Right, this is a very very good thing.
It is. It's extremely problematic, you know, in political discourse,
but that's because you have a whole bunch of engineers
trying to basically figure out which ideology, which pathway to
achieving goals is the best. And they are people that
can agree on ninety five percent of things and disagree
on five percent. And with this type of brain, that
five percent difference becomes one hundred percent of what's important
because it's different. Right. So these type of people, which
makes up a vast majority of the people here, right, disagreeable,
highly intelligent, high agency men will turn small differences into
the only differences that matter, Right, The only things that
matter are now the differences, and you watch them build
up and tear down, and build up and tear down,
and build up and tear down because none of them
really actually know what they're building. Basically, the only thing
that would work, the only thing that does work, is
giving those people a vision of a future and having
that vision be put together, each piece by piece in
their own area of domain expertise, by this vast majority
of engineer type thinkers, right like Adam from the twentieth century,
he is going to solve problems of that spirit differently
than somebody else's. But they're going to just solve different
aspects of this very very very big problem. Like with
a in a a startup, you just have one guy, right,
the founder is a person that sees the thing that
nobody that nobody saw or nobody could see.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 1: They tell you that the solution to a problem you
don't know you have yet, Right, the guy nobody knew
they needed a fucking smartphone, and now you people couldn't
imagine life without it. But before it existed, nobody thought that,
oh I would like this different future where I have
this piece of technology and I would like all the
conveniences that it that it does, and I would like
to be able to go around and call people. I
would like to not be tethered, you know, to sometimes
up to like several feet of telephone court as you
basically monopolize your kitchen. But nobody saw that world except
for one guy. One guy's like, Oh, I see a
different world where we do things differently. I'm going to
solve a problem that nobody knows they have yet. That
guy didn't build the microchips. That guy didn't design the phone.
That guy didn't design the telecommunications technology inside the phone.
That guy didn't code the software for the phone. That
guy didn't come up with a marketing plan for the phone,
didn't do any of that shit because he didn't know
how to do that shit. The people that see the
future are not the people that can build the future.
They're fundamentally different types of people. And the problem is
we have a whole bunch of building type people and
nothing to be built. Each one of our guys is
insanely smart, right, Decentralized fundraising for decentralized food efforts is
a problem. We could probably solve it in an afternoon.
A vast majority of the problems we could probably figure
out improvised solutions for in an afternoon, probably not all
the same afternoon, but an afternoon. Right, Like I went
from every single morning it's so over to ending the
day with we're so back from my first company for
seven years. Right, it was like we are going to
be bankrupt by the end of the week. And then
by the end of the day, you know, six seven
white dudes figured out a way to hack something together
and improvise. And the problem is we look at these
political ideologies as road maps and they're not right. These
guys were improvising on the fly. I mean you can
literally just look through Himmler's diary of like the early years,
like these guys were just putting out fires. As one
problem popped up, they would figure out a way to
stop it, and then again and again and again and
again and again and again. What was left over after
all that was done was a national socialist state. But
when we look at it going back in history, we
look at it as like this complete thought out ethos
and they had, you know, every part of the aspect
of that political system came out of the conceptual you
know brain of you know, one guy or two or
three guys like no, no, no, no, it was one guy
that had a vision of what like the future could
look like and a whole bunch of people solving a
whole bunch of problems that popped up. Right, Like, so,
like people think they can't take down a national state
and we have to focus focus locally. No, we could
just use mass communication and cultural force, which we have
now already. Like we're the only thing that's cool. We're
the only place that new ideas are coming. And all
you have to do is just convince white guys to
not pay taxes. Once the government implodes, Oh, the military
is going to come get you in the woods. Like really,
they work for free. Oh, the bureaucracy will crush you.
Do these motherfuckers work for free? Like I'm not suggesting
that's something that we do, but it's There's every single
piece of technology, every single startup had, every single thing
that is ever invented, has started out with all of
the smart people telling one guy that this particular thing
is impossible, and if it wasn't like that, nobody would
make any fucking money, right, Like doing the contrarian trade
is the only way that you make money, Like, we
forget this, but doing the thing that everyone tells you
that you can't do is why it is profitable to
do it, because nobody else is already doing it. And
we need to think orthogonally, like just there's so many
things myths, institution like, we could improvise a way around
it if we just think entirely laterally just and we don't. Sorry,
that was a bit of a ramp my bed.
Speaker 5: Well, it's a great metaphor.
Speaker 6: You know, as we were discussing over text and messages,
you know, there's a lot of things in the business
world that applies to exactly what we're talking about. Some don't,
but you get the same kind of misapprehensions, and you
get the same kind of fixed thinking that Something I
learned early on was that nothing fails like success. Like
a guy who had something that worked out well in
the past, you know, can think he's incredibly successful and
therefore he knows what he's doing and just basically tries
to do the same thing again and it doesn't work.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 5: I'm sure you've seen that plenty, Stormy, and it's.
Speaker 6: Because they have this, They have this belief that the
combination of factors that they think what where at play?
Are still at play, only it just doesn't work. Sometimes
it can be personalities right, Like you can have the
best ideas ever, and if the mix of personalities is
wrong for what you're trying to do, it just doesn't work.
Like something z Man would always talk about is you
get the people right and you can make things work.
I think that one of the problems with where we're
at is that there's people who self identify as like
fringe people, you know, and they want to influence the
greater society, and.
Speaker 5: They're very.
Speaker 6: Their very self conception as a fringe person is probably
even more negatively influential then the reality that they're probably
not that fringe. They're probably just a fairly regular person.
But also how they present themselves to other people's incredibly important.
Speaker 5: And there's this.
Speaker 6: Every once in a while you find out that there
are these ideas in our spheres that have been around
for a long time, and you figure out that they
were a subversive, you know, misdirection tool. Like there's one
called own the insult, which is that if someone calls
you a Nazi, you say, yes, I'm a Nazi, and
then you identify as a Nazi and dress up as
a Nazi. And in reality, the way that you neutralize
that insult is you say, I don't care what you
call me, right, I don't care.
Speaker 3: You're you're the person with the issue.
Speaker 6: Don't care, because that's really what you're trying to do
is neutralize them. You're not trying to let them direct
your expression in whatever you're doing. Right at a certain point,
will that matter? Maybe not, But you know, your prime
directive shouldn't be to, you know, revitalize a certain you
know image. What you do is you say, these are
the bad people, and here's where we want to go,
and people will figure it out along the way and
arrive at the same conclusions while you go in the
direction that you want to direct things that there's there's
a lot of really strange thinking and strange beliefs that
that are in this thing that are really hard to
just like you can understand how they got here and
and the path that got them here, but a lot
of them are frankly misapprehensions. And there's a lot of
subversion that's been around for a long time that gets amplified.
Then the number of the number of situations where that
I can think of and Pete, I know you and
I have talked about this is like after nine to eleven,
if you went to these websites that discussed like quote
unquote conspiracies or anything along those lines, there was all
this great information that disappeared, that got banned because you
couldn't talk about Israel or certain people, right, And so.
Speaker 3: Like the whole.
Speaker 6: The whole Israeli art student conversation practically disappeared off the
Internet for a period, you know, in like two thousand
and two, two thousand and three, two thousand and four,
right as all these things were wrapping up, and that
the last moment it had any time in the sun
where some like major national news programs talking about like
a Dea investigation, and then it became this anti Semitic
trope or canard or whatever they call it, and and
instead you have this loose change shit, you know, this
fake stuff that was promoted. And we have similar things
in our spheres quite often, and you know, we repeat
them without understanding where they necessarily came from. And so
that's why I'm so supportive of this idea of going
back to first principles on so many things, and just
in buckling down and being like, you have to create something.
Speaker 5: Of value to attract people and to bring them in.
Speaker 6: And once you have have a thing, and you have
explanatory power, and it's in person because in person neutralizes
the misunderstandings that happen in online discussions. That's how it
becomes robust. And we see that every day. Like we
get together with people that were like I don't necessarily
you know, I like the general direction of their content,
but I don't agree on everything, and it'd be really
easy to get me to spurg out on them if
I didn't have self control. And then you meet them
in person, You're like, I really like this guy. This
is someone that I can deal with. This is a
reasonable person.
Speaker 5: It's just more and more like we're using we're using.
Speaker 6: This system to connect and to communicate with each other,
but we can't let that drive.
Speaker 5: Our orientation.
Speaker 1: It's egalitarian, which is bad, which is very bad. Right,
Like there is go ahead.
Speaker 4: I think what you know Carl is saying, is I
get you can see this as anybody who came through
libertarianism has seen. Is that any kind of outside kind
of movement or kind of idea or kind of anything
that starts to form and people start to get drawn
to an idea that's outside of the mainstream. You're drawing
in people who are outside of the mainstream. And in
many cases it's not only that they're outside of the
mainstream and thought, but they're also outside of.
Speaker 3: The mainstream and action.
Speaker 4: And that's where you get the You get overrun by spurgs,
you get overrun by people who, you know, in liberty
and libertarianism, it's not about property rights for the federal
reson reserve only. It becomes about legal weed, prostitution, you know,
all sorts of degeneracy. Well, you get people who any
kind of you know, any kind of thing that is
outside of the norm or or bucking against you know,
the regime, or you know whatever the the load bearing
myth of the time is you're drawing in. You're going
to draw in people who are going who want to
revolts against that not only for intellectual reasons or moral reasons,
but reasons because they are outside of the mainstream in
the way they live and in many times, in many cases,
outside of the mainstream and the way they think. And
you're also just going to attract people who are naturally edgy,
and they see you know this, Oh, this is something
that's edgy, and because it's outside of the mainstream, you know, Oh,
why are you you know, I mean, I'm just suggesting
that we kill everybody. Why, you know, I'm suggesting violence.
Why would you be against that I'm suggesting? You know
that you you know, you have to attack people who
aren't You have to go go after people who don't
think like you, but are natural allies to you, because
they don't line up with you one hundred percent. You're
just basically drawing in these ideologues who have who have
an idea that they know how things are supposed to
supposed to go, supposed to operate rate, but you know,
nobody else does. And you know, Darrel said that in
the episode that uh that that Stormy reference before he said, yeh,
it always seems like every one of our guys wants
to be a general and nobody wants to learn how
to take orders.
Speaker 5: Yeah exactly, Yeah.
Speaker 6: And and and it's it's easily subverted, or it's almost
like de facto subversion subverts itself. Yeah is the best exactly,
Or they tear each other up in these stupid cul
de sacs of.
Speaker 1: It becomes a popularity contest.
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 6: There's also there's also something that z Man used to
talk about that I had seen it, but the way
he explained it was just a perfect, uh perfect illustration
of his point.
Speaker 2: And in the.
Speaker 6: In the world of like ten years ago, of these
you know, the various organizations, some of which are still around,
many of which are no longer around, or you'll see
individual personalities. So organizations believed because they were usually like
down downstream of a generation or two of these you know,
kind of resistance movement things, that they were dealing with
a pretty fixed population of participants, and so they would
compete with each other for members.
Speaker 5: And then you would also.
Speaker 6: Get people who are trying to latch onto these things
to make a living off of it, whether it's just
to be a parasite or if it's to be like
basically almost like a cult leader, which is retarded, like
that's that's not that doesn't do you any good, and
like being ideologically pure, but being in a stupid dead
end cult that benefits like one one to ten people
and not you like that's yeah, no, it's true, because
it becomes about that person and that's why you have
I mean you have tons of people who are like,
you know, I used to consider myself a groiper, and
now I realize how ridiculous a lot of that stuff is,
even if he's like right or directionally right at certain
times about certain things.
Speaker 1: That we just shut the fuck up about it.
Speaker 6: Yeah, exactly, Yeah, it's I don't know.
Speaker 5: I the it's what I will say is from.
Speaker 6: My involvement in you know, local orgs, and the more local,
the better that you know, the less distance you have
to drive to hang out with these guys, the more
you'll hang out with them, the or that you'll be
able to actually do things that are that are productive
instead of them just being hangs.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 6: You know, it's it's so nice and just ignoring ignoring
the Internet drama, ignoring the news cycle because we get
we end up even though we like have explanatory powerful
things and we're basically all like, you know, it's time
to move beyond the way things are, we still end
up slaves to the news cycle.
Speaker 5: Quite often.
Speaker 6: It really sucks because when you when you've gotten away
from it, I mean, I would imagine that all three
of us and most of the people listening have gone
through this process where you know, you're plugged, plugged into it,
and then you realize how toxic it is and how
wrong it is, and you start trying to diverse, diver
excuse me, divorce yourself from it.
Speaker 5: And then you end up online and the you know.
Speaker 6: People with cool ideas and stuff that that are opening
up this different world of information to you. You know,
they do really great things, and then whenever there's a
big flare up, they end up being tied into the
news cycle and you get right back to it and
it's like, is it okay, So your your worldview now
has explanatory power, But what is the actual value in
staying plugged into the timeline like that? It's usually of
significant negative value.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, also like it's just a way of like
they don't there there's no one to set the goals,
right because if I look at like what my goals
are politically, there is very little to do, like about
what's happening in Iran.
Speaker 5: Frankly in a round about that, yeah.
Speaker 1: Because basically nobody can see past what exists. Right, So
there would have been a shoehorning back into Republican politics,
right or Trump the guy type political energy or sorry,
Trump the Guy and that organization siphoning off political energy
that they didn't create. And this broke that. It broke
that for like the average American, which is the person
I care about, right, And that was something I never
could have done. America has become an outwardly hostile place
to not just Zionism, to jewelry in a very small
amount of time. I don't know what everybody, when you
guys are picking up in your personal lives, like just
that alone for the Maga guy, right, the beer you
know after work guy two, not just you know, recognize
because once you recognize them as not your friends, you
can't unrecognize them. And we didn't do that. Fucking they
did it to themselves exactly like what I mean. The
last thing that you need to get people to do real,
real things is hardship, and I think that's also what
this is going to provide. So, yes, it's kind of
a dark way or you know of looking at it,
but this moved the political needle in our direction more
than any other thing in our life. It made people
have to choose because staying, you know, believing in the current,
you know, the existing order, the existing way of doing
things like that will persist until it is not allowed
to persist any further. Right, Like it should be plain
to everyone now that you can't have Jews, like you
cannot be anything other than an anti Semitic organization, because
if you allow them in even a small amount, or
even if they're based within ten minutes, they're the ones
in charge because you have to treat them the same
as you, and they are not going to treat you
the same as them. Like nobody signing up for the military,
nobody is engaging in GOP politics like this is great.
What sucks is going to be the economic hardship, But
it's also I think there's no way that we dissuade
ourselves of this without without the bill of these, without
this coming do I don't know what your thoughts are, Pete,
but I kind of view this as necessary and everything
that we should be focusing on should have nothing to
do with the headlines outside of how this moves the
needle either closer in our favor or further away from us.
If it's closer in our favor, how do we monopolize this,
How do we pick this up and run with it?
These are the things because our world view is predictive
because we see what's coming. Okay, the war in Iran
is happening. It happened, right, we see what's coming, which
is after that? Why should we be spending any time
on what is happening now?
Speaker 4: Yeah, that makes a lot of sense, you know, unless
you're asked directly to make a comment about what's happening.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you should be building. Yeah, I said also in
that episode that you referenced, we should be building. Everybody
should be building an arc. You should be building an
arc with other people. But you know, once the once
the water goes away and you land on dry ground
in forty days.
Speaker 3: What next?
Speaker 4: And that's really the only that's really the only thing
that you should be concentrating on as far as looking
at what's happening. Obviously, this Iran, this Iran thing is
horrible from a from a from a truly moral standpoint,
And I'm not trying I'm not doing some fake leftist
morality kind of thing. I'm talking about from a truly
moral standpoint. Yeah, this is this is evil, and it's
being done for no good purpose. To to step aside
from morality for a moment. It's very easy to see
it's also destroying our enemy. And while your enemy is
being destroyed, you know, you don't I'm sorry, you don't interrupt, Yeah,
you don't interrupt. You also you don't share it on.
You certainly don't sheer it on. But you recognize it
for what it is. You recognize that it's an opportunity
and that times are changing right now. The future is
going to be different, just as the future was going
to be different after that in crisis, after COVID, after
October seventh, after Charlie Kirk got shot, after this, after this,
this attack, this this insanity. It looks like your enemy
is being weakened. Don't be distracted. People are going to say, well, no,
they're not our enemy.
Speaker 3: Islam is our enemy. Well, I mean, I don't know
how many how many.
Speaker 4: Muslims are working at the Federal Reserve, I mean, Muslims
run the Federal Reserve. How many Muslims are running the
porn industry? You know how many? Come on, give us
a fucking break here. The only reason we've had any
problems with Muslims in the last hundred years is because
of Israel. Yeah, because they brought them here. Yeah, and
Jewish supremacy. You know, that's why you know. I mean, oh, well,
look at Europe, same thing, same understand that that was
you will have. There is on video people in the
Israeli government going, yeah, we had to punish Europe. We
had to punish Europe. We had to punish Sweden because
they think they're so much more moral than we are.
So now look at Malmo. They take credit for it,
they say they did it. They're your enemy. They're the
enemy of the West, and all the West is is Christendom.
They're the enemy. Don't get sidetracked. Watch your enemy die,
and plan for and plan for what comes next. There
are people around you. There are people you know, there
are people you love, There are people you share values
with who are going to be damaged by this. You
may be damaged by this monetarily. Whatever you have to be.
You have to be looking forward. You have to be
forward looking when it comes to this and nothing. Yeah,
the don't let people. Don't let people distract you. Don't
let people say, oh, well, you're not maga, you're you're
a leftist because you're not supporting Trump. Don't listen to
these people. They have nothing. They live their life on Twitter.
That's pathetic enough. They live their life on social media.
That's pathetic enough. They live their life writing articles. That's
pathetic enough. Go build something. If I wasn't doing things,
if I wasn't doing things in real life, and not
only with the podcast and everything I do as far
as media goes, you know, I couldn't. I don't really
have a place to I'd be criticizing myself.
Speaker 3: But I am. I'm doing stuff away.
Speaker 4: It's why you It's why. It's why being off of
Twitter like I have for the last thirty two thirty
three days has been a blessing. The podcast has actually grown,
subscriptions have grown, and I've been able to go out
and meet people and travel and do all sorts of
things and you know, get face to face with people,
and you know, I think because what we're doing in
real life is so important and is helping enough, helping
so many people.
Speaker 3: You just see how the lies you know, you've.
Speaker 4: Seen lies it's told about You know what I do
and what people I'm aligned with do, So don't worry
about them. They're literally on Twitter because they don't have
a real job, and they're living off of their engagement.
They're living off of the money they make off of
engagement farming. They're not serious. People stop listening to them,
get off of social media and go fucking do something
with your friends.
Speaker 6: Yeah, man, And there's nobody being paid, you know, to
post good things that are helpful.
Speaker 5: That it's it's all subversion, like.
Speaker 6: People people who get paid to do opinion pieces who
seem like they should be are friends.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 6: There there's there's exceptions, but ultimately the goal is when
the time comes, they have to lean into something that's
bad for us. That that's really your your expectation, what
your expectation would be when we have no when we
have no friends at that level, when when it's totally captured.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean what's on your timeline? Is it positive things? Nope,
it's a type of paralysis. Yeah, right, because nobody it's this.
It's this type of it. I hate to bring it
back to like the engineer mindset, but like without a
way to point that type of mind towards a task, right,
it's a building something, it really becomes extremely destructive, right,
Like they're they sense that they're you know, under threat personally,
you know, nationally, so they're going to hyper fixate. And
the problem with Twitter, for instance is that it's a
it's like a thought machine, right, So you're basically reading
other people's thoughts. So if you are reading other people's thoughts,
you're not really thinking your own. You have no time
to come up with new ideas because your brain is
constantly bombarded with the thoughts of others. It basically like,
I mean, there's been a million times where I've been
on a train of thought and then looked at like
that was productive, scroll through my timeline for like five minutes,
and now I'm doing something completely different, and now I'm
worried about something completely different, and it's basically hijacked a
train of thought that at that particular moment was extremely
useful and it's gone now because somebody has now told
me what I should be focusing on. We're using social
media wrong. It's my point, like, this should be a idea.
And I don't mean like idea, like ideological idea, but
like an idea in the sense of like, Carl, have
you ever used Slack? Yes, we should treat social media
like Slack.
Speaker 3: That's a great idea.
Speaker 1: Yeah, right, we could be using social media for a
whole bunch of people that, like your talent is distributed broadly. Unfortunately,
like the people in your local community, the local meetups
are good for your personal safety, your family safety, your
personal security, et cetera. But the guys, like if you are,
let's say, a brilliant software engineer your immediate local group,
they may not be brilliant software engineers. So if we
need a piece of you know, a program to do
a specific thing. This is why AI is going to
be such a huge thing for us, right, Or a
hardware engineer, if you're a hardware engineer and nobody in
your immediate circle or your immediate in person group is,
but there are tons of other guys online that you
haven't meant that are that are part of a thing
that you know have been around for a long period
of time. We basically have a tool where everyone that
thinks like us is generally in the same place, and
we are not using it to build things in a
decentralized fashion. It's very very silly. We use rypto entirely
wrong too, right, this is a way. So I was
an early investor into a couple of really interesting layer
one protocols. So like early early days, and I mean
there is tools, bits of software that are available for
free that will effectively do the job. I mean, who
here remembers the Ico days, right, initial token launches. Yeah, yeah,
the platforms that facilitated those token launches, those are just
free to grab now, right, so anyone can do something
like that. I watched startups raise one hundred, one hundred
and fifty million dollars in a day because everybody that
wanted that particular thing to exist chipped in and they
got a tiny piece of what would be later on revenue. Right, Like,
if you were an early investor into the ethereum ico,
you're probably doing pretty well right now. You didn't have
to do anything else. Now, there is hundreds of thousands
of very useful programs that are written on that chain,
right It you know, went on to do relatively great things,
and the person that chipped in got a ability to
receive the gains of those things, and strictly from like
a non return on investment. You know. Benefit to me
is why I'm doing this type of mentality that could
be equally used for altruistic purposes. Right, we have the
ability of not only to send money uninterrupted by the
government or by Jews, really by anyone, right, uncancellable anonymous
to anyone in the world. Right, we have the ability
to raise funds in a decentralized fashion. Right, nobody has
to worry about like, oh is gibsend go gonna not
allow this? Right, look what we did when a fucking
when a thirty year old white woman in the middle
in the Midwest said the word nigger, Like, we are
not using things to the like. So when I see
these things, I don't know how to code. I don't
know anything, like I'm computer retarded in a lot of ways.
And the only reason, like I was able to successfully
build a company was because I surrounded like the people
that were my partners from the very beginning all didn't
know how to do those things. And really the only
value proposition I was able to add from the beginning
and then much less later on down the road, you know,
once funding was raised and all that fun stuff was
being able to look at something that everyone had looked
at for a million years, and I saw something completely different. Right,
they thought that they saw. Everyone thought that they saw like,
you know, a screwdriver. But I was like, well, it
also makes a really really useful bottle opener, and it
also makes a really useful you know other things, right,
taking something that other people see as one thing and
seeing what else it can be. And I look around
it just the shit that exists now and political problems
that we have in the real world, and I just
don't understand it. Right, Like, there's decentralized autonomous organizations that
you can basically automate entire structures of a complex corporation
and basically make each and every person in that corporation.
They can fucking assign tasks. People can say I would
like to do said tasks. All right, well I would
like to do these three tasks out of the four
that need to be done. Okay, Well when these four
three tasks are done, we're going to disperse x amount
of funds and then we're going to find the fourth
person that can do this. Right, Like, literally, you can
run and entire organization anonymously. It can pay out people anonymously,
It can assign tasks, like literally, every person involved in
the organization can come and voice, basically stack rank what
needs to be done next, who's going to do those things,
in what order they're going to be done, how they're
going to be paid out to do those things, all anonymously,
Like that shit already exists, right, like, what what's her name? Uh?
You and you and I were just talking about her
right before the show started. Oh, Emily usus, Emily, Emily Unice. Yes,
she just grabbed a piece of you know, Sora and
put out something that has cultural significance that I think
last I checked, millions of people have watched and continue
to watch episode after episode. She doesn't have a tea like,
we are not using the tools at our disposal correctly.
Speaker 5: So powerful that.
Speaker 6: Jonathan Greenblatt got together with the Haun Show and made
sure that SOA would get phased out because of the
power that it was putting in the hands of white supremists.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, you can just grab those models and run
them locally exactly and let your friends use them. Oh
and also there's a nifty program called Heretic that you
can grab also for free off the interwebs and use
it to remove all of the censorship modeling in whatever
AI you choose to download, So you will actually have
Mecha Hitler instead of GROC. You will have tay back
all of this shit exists and whatever problems that things
don't exist for maybe instead of all of our autistic
engineer types fighting with each other about five percent difference
in doctrine or five percent difference in the strategy to
bring about the political ideology that they agree with one
another about already. Maybe they could direct some of that
autism to building the things to solve the problems that
we don't have solutions for yet, because those are going
to happen too, Like we are misallocating a tremendous amount
of human capital and disregarding tremendous amount of leverage that
just exists. The crown in the crown is already in
the gutter. We're just not picking it up, so to speak.
Speaker 4: Well, the I mean, before you can pick up think
about picking up any crown that has anything to do
with anybody else. You have to pick up your own crown,
your own personal Yeah, you have to take care of
yourself first. There are a lot of people, you know,
and these are again, these are the people who are
hyper online, who are completely convinced that they know exactly
how to fix the world, but they don't have their
own life fixed. Okay, why, I mean, why would I?
Why am I supposed to listen to you? Have you
ever bought and sold the house?
Speaker 3: You know? Have you ever been married? Have you ever
had your heart broken? You ever been punched in the mouth?
You know? Here was your in a sports car?
Speaker 1: Yes?
Speaker 3: All right?
Speaker 4: There are some things that you know, sound materialistic, but
they're not materialistic. They're basically a part of being an adult.
Speaker 1: Yep. This is the problem with egalitarianism. You know, whose
opinion should not be relevant on sports cars? It's a
guy that's never owned one, you know, whose opinion about
women shouldn't be tolerated. Somebody that doesn't is not unable
to hold down a girlfriend, little in a wife?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 1: You know whose opinion about how like? I mean, how
many people do we have that are like urbanite LARPers
that are you know, telling you like you do that
you just need to homestead and you need to just
be entirely self sufficient like you live in a condo.
You shut your fucking mouth. And this is the problem
with the egalitarianism and in the discourse. Some people's opinions
just don't matter about many many things, and we have
no way of sorting it out. Also the fact that
there isn't really any adversity these people facing their real lives.
Yet there's no evolutionary forcing function right, like nationally like
in National Socialist Germany again for or in pre national
Socialist Germany, you had both the war and then you
had the street war that came after.
Speaker 4: That, like you had excellent the detailed environment, the detail
of that on the detail of that on Darryl's latest
episode is chilling, Yeah, the Street Wars and he's still
got another episode togo with with, you know, with with
what the wars in Germany had to you know how
these guys came home, came home from World War One
and basically went to war, right back to war.
Speaker 1: But I told you who the leaders were like, we
don't have that, which sucks. And the other thing that
sucks is that the Kaiser isn't just going to abdicate
one day, right, so where it forces everyone to deal
with the fact that going back to the way things
were it isn't possible, Like the thing that is always
supposed to exist doesn't exist anymore. That problem was solved
for Germany, well we have it's a different thing where
the state structures as they are now are losing legitimacy
over time, rapidly losing legitimacy. But really it's the guys
that see things first, that are already trying to look
past it. If the federal government imploded tomorrow all of
a sudden, everyone would be much more amiable to let's
do something different. So we're going to have to operate
an environment where slowly people are coming online to the
fact that what exists can no longer exist, rather than
all at once, we should really use this to our benefit, right,
Like luckily the fact that it's only people of our
persuasion that are seeing these problems. Leftoids are too busy
trying to recapture the same institutions with a fucking dead
cultural language that nobody gives a shit about anymore. Like,
let them keep doing that while we do something else.
The problem that we don't one of the main problems
we don't have is I mean, like, yeah, we talked
about vision earlier, but like vision is like spiritual thing.
I don't like the word ethos, but it is a
very simple, Uh, Carl, what you said it? What you
call it? Like the I don't know if you meant
to say it, but the prime directive what we lack
is the prime directive?
Speaker 3: All right.
Speaker 1: Everyone's vision of the future, the perfect right deid future,
is unfortunately different that needs to stop everyone, and whoever
does this wins the prize. But whoever can come up
with like what the future looks like, should look like,
is going to look like and believes it with every
fiber of their being enough to inspire confidence in others
to transmit that information that transmits, Carl, you and I
were talking about this, that transmits in a in a
fashion that it's not spoken, it's felt right, Like you
can tell when someone is telling the truth or not.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 1: You can feel when someone is lying to you or
hyping you up. But when somebody really believes something as true,
it makes you believe it too, right, and you get
the feeling that they get. Because whatever is going to
come after this is going to exist in a way
where it means different things to different people. And that's
because it has to right. Like the future vision whatever
right the zeit like the spirit of what comes next,
that is going to mean something different to the veteran,
and then it's going to mean to you know, the
right wing wives, Like different parts of this thing matter
differently to each and every person, but they all need
to paddle in the same direction knowing that each other
is paddling. That's the only way it works for a
startup analogy, the head of product like the guy doing
the back end, the guy doing the front end, the
uiux work right, the guy in marketing. Everybody has an
idea of what this product is that they are bringing
to market, what this looks like, what it's going to do,
what how it's going to change people's lives. But each
part of that thing matters differently to every single person
in that team because it matters differently in their area
of focus, right that they are focusing on this tiny
piece of this larger thing. So it has to be
a It has to be a broad It doesn't have
to be vague, but it has to be something that
every person that looks like us can get on board
with for varying reasons. This is also, I think, why
you don't everyone thinks like, oh, well, we just need
a right wing billionaire to come in and fund everything.
You can't sell that guy, right. So the reason I
was talking to Dark Enlightenment about this yesterday, the reason
that right wing billionaires don't throw a bunch of money
at right wing politics is for the the exact same
reason that left wing billionaires throw a lot of money
at left wing politics, because these guys are being pitched
hope of gain and not fear of loss. Right, like
the left wing, the left wing donors are getting something
out of the deal, right, It's aspirational to them. They
want a certain state to exist. Right, All the left
wing you know donors are and the mega donors are
women and Jews, and mostly women Jews. Right, So the
type of world that they want to exist, that they've
been told should exist, they are willing to fund that
to bring that thing about. Right, They got pitched a
vision of a potential future, and they are funding it.
How Like the approach for right wing billionaires is what
if you don't do this, this bad thing will happen. Well,
nothing bad is going to happen to that billionaire. Right.
And when people are are given information that is scary, right,
or fear is the motivating factor. Whenever fear is the
motivating factor, people act hyper individualistically. Right. You can see
this amongst so many you know right wingers and even
like boomer right wingers whatever. When they because there is
no positive view of the future right and only external threat,
they immediately get very self oriented, very very quickly. Right,
It's I am going to go fortify myself in the world.
It's far away from all of this, and that's what
they care about. It takes hope of gain to make
people say, all right, everybody, let's get together and let's
build the thing or fund the thing. Right, It's it's
the how do I put it, It's the vision of
a potential positive future, right, a change in whatever it is.
If you're a billionaire, right, maybe the future that you're
being pitches you are a double billionaire, and there are
statues of you everywhere. Whatever, it's a positive future outlook
for you. You are willing to invest in the thing.
Same reason why anyone is willing to invest in anything.
They invest because they think it's that things are going
to get better for them. Specifically, they are willing to
engage in team effort to bring about a better thing
that benefits them. And this is why right wing billionaires
don't because the only thing that is being told to
them is how horrible things will be if they do
not cough up money. Like, Okay, you're not really pitching
me to donate to your political thing. You are, you know,
pitching me to go build a bunker. I don't know
if that's your intention, But that's what's happening, and that's
the problem. Right. The same reason that the billionaire isn't
buying in is the same reason the housewife's not buying
in is the same reason that really everyone is. There
is no positive vision for what could exist. I mean,
a big component of this is going to be a
spiritual one.
Speaker 4: But go on, I just say, I don't I don't
know that I can uh, I can build on that
same I don't know that I can prove upon that,
And I'm sort of getting to the point where I.
Speaker 3: Gotta i gotta bail.
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's end it there.
Speaker 4: Sounds good to me. Man, Always appreciate talking to you,
a gentleman, until next time.
Speaker 3: Until next
Speaker 1: Yeah,