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Speaker 1: All right, we're live episode number thirty seven of The Inquisition,

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Everyone's favorite right wing panel show.

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Speaker 2: People to bring it back to what we were saying

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for everyone Live about the demographic that's targeted for Agro

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by the Zionists and anti anti fascist andngos. This this

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idea too, that in what they call pejoritatively flyover country,

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people are sitting around thinking about Jews. I mean, that

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doesn't there's the reason why, like in the old resistance days,

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the skinhead movement jumped off and you know, New York City, Chicago, Detroit,

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Los Angeles, it wasn't it wasn't much a rural guy.

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He's like deciding that at the top of their agenda

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was to be hostile to Jews for no reason, you know,

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basically people who were I mean, things have changed a

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bit now because there's a wider conceptual horizon. People have

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just doing the just doing the information technology and things, obviously,

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but this idea that Rando's just sit around thinking about

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Jews is bizarre. I mean, that's one of the reasons

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always empatize the people that this garbage, this this this

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nonsense cult that these pieces of shit like Ted cruz

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abide like nobody's actually into that. There's a handful of

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a dumbass Walmart shoppers and an eighty year old ladies

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or into that. But you know it's a million miles

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wide and a quarter centimeter deep. Like I mean, first

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of all, no one's gonna no one, no one's gonna

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go out and die for Israel. Okay, like no, no,

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none of these like dispensation list they're gonna literally go

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die for Israel. So it's a fucking joke anyway, But

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you know, nobody, it's just not relatable to to anybody,

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Like why why is this even on your mind?

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Speaker 1: That?

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Speaker 2: Like that's reason it's so weird. It's like, so you're

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in rural Texas and you've decided you want to pretend

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to be Jewish, Like why why would they even hurt you?

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You know, And it's what remains the bully pulpit allows

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people to abide this uh propaganda narrative that there's actual

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depth to this. You know. It's like I like scientology

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has like a billion dollar endowment, but all like two

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thousand people who belong to it, you know. I mean

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it's so they buy a bunch of real estate and

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they put out these very slick looking sort of promos

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and stuff. But it's it's hollow, there's nothing there. You know.

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Speaker 1: It changes. It changes as like the I guess like

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to your point as the lump and pearl check. Uh,

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you know changes basically whatever Jews are afraid of. This

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is now the hotbed of anti Semitic thought. First it

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was like you said, rural whites, which made no sense.

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Now it is you know, young men, young white guys.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, like what's like, how to i'dn't even heard the

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term in cell in probably seven years until these until

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these uh normies started bandying it. It's like how they

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It's like, oh they It's like it's like all these

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normies all heard about the Proud Boys like two years ago,

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despite the fact that like nobody's like like like the

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Proud Boys haven't been anybody's radar since like January sixth,

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But they they just heard about it because they're always

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six years behind, you know, and that's their that's their

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current buggy van of choice, not traditionally. And I was

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talking to a friend of mine because she she was, uh,

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she's she came across this this stuff when she was

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doing some research on the Black legion, which was this

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rogue UH clan faction in Detroit, and they're actually gonna

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a dope. They had these black uniforms, you know, they

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for they decided to for a go of the white

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hoods for these black U uniforms with varying of the

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tolen cough as their heraldic standard. But in then North

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Uh traditionally, the South is viewed as basically, you know,

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friendly to Jews, or at least not opposed to them,

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and the earliest Jewish settlements in the New World, with

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Stephard being and who settled the South in the seventeenth century.

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That's why the Leo Frank narrative made no sense, you know,

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from the ad L side. But traditionally Northerners people like me,

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like Northern Protestants, northern urban Protestants like Trump's father was,

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and people like me are viewed as these kind of

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like Jew hating sectarians, and like in the South, it's

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you know, it was viewed as well. You know, Southerners

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might not be particularly key to Jews and Cathlics, but

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they're not a hostile to them. And everything is race.

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You know, it's weird. They flipped it like that, like oh,

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and the North, you're fine, but those Southerners just hate Jews.

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How do you figure there's no there's no precedent for that,

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and there's not. You know, it's not an accident that

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the nineteen twenties Klan, you know, the d C. Stephenson

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Klan when it when it swelled the you know, literally

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like five million members, you know, it was it was

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based in Indiana and in its heartland became you know,

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the Midwest, and it was a it was an ultra

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sectarian outfit. You know, they they were they weren't sitting

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around talking about blacks, like why would they? You know,

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that's so, I mean, it's not the fact. I mean, yeah,

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I realized trying to tease up accurate narratives from what

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a mouth design is propaganda is a fool's errand but

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it's oddly illiterate on the American situation, I guess.

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Speaker 1: And they yeah, really, whoever, the whoever the hotbed of

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antisemit Semites are, wherever their socioeconomic class, whatever, It really

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just tells you who their target is, the Jews, not

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the supposed to anti Semites that don't exist. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Well, the reason the reason in the South that is

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just so false. Is because.

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Speaker 4: People start to have opinions about is when they're around them.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, And I'm from New York. I grew up in

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New York. I lived in New York for the first

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eighteen years of my life. I was around them all

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the time. Yeah, down here, Yeah, I mean, it's it's

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an outlier. When you know, in Alabama, if you if

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you meet a Jew, it's it's an outlier. You're you

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meet five hundred people, maybe one of them will be Jewish.

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Speaker 2: What also odds are in the Deep South. You meet

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some Jewish guy, he's gonna be He's gonna be some

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like Shelby Foot type who's descended from Sefardine. And you know,

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culturally he might be different, but he's not. He's not.

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He's not some urban Asknasam who you know whose parents

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immigrated here in nineteen thirty who's got all these you know,

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conceptual prejudices that originated infested in the pale settlement. That's

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a totally different thing.

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Speaker 1: And yeah, interesting thing about the Safaridom in early America

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is you know, much like how the the various Protestants

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came to America, I mean, the religious persecution thing. Okay,

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all right, Like it's a bit of a stretch, but

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basically to kind of break away from religious structures that

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existed in the Old World and the Safhardum that came

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to America in the in you know, the early days,

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so sixteen seventeen hundred into the prelude to the Civil

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War very much came the same way that the Protestants did.

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Because if I look at Sephardim culture at the same

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period of time back in Europe, it is hyper racialized,

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it is hyper clickish, hyper hostile to you know, European society,

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European civilization. And this is where you see like the

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early setups of like these rabbinical schools, these uh you know,

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Talmud learning centers, whatever, and it was very much at

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odds with But the Sfardam that came over in you know,

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colonial America, they were very similar to the Prods, where

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their religion was almost a secondary function, like they were

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kind of starting from scratch the same way the Protestants were.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's its own thing, and well, yeah, that's why

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JP Benjamin, you know he there there wasn't you'd be

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hard for us to find. I mean, Benjamin actually was

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he kind of had a role almost like Earhard Milcht

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did because he arrived too late in his role because

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the war was already lost. But he actually had had

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a very deep understanding of scaled economics and he had

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the right idea in terms of what he was trying

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to accomplish. But even his enemies, there wasn't this notion

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of oh, he's like a dirty jew like it wasn't.

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That wasn't the way people approached things. And plus two

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there there really is a difference. Like I made the

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point in uh as the zion estate really sort of consolidated.

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You know, there's a there's a fascinating incident where Idea

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shot it out with Ergun as the as the idea

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tried to disarm ergun And and these stern gang types,

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you know, say that to consolidate everybody into the idef

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who was you know, racially Jewish according to the strictures

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of the Zionist state, you know, who was under arms?

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And I haven't coded the data, but the what became

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the core of these of of h the Zionist, the

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militant Zionis establishment was almost exclusively askanasm Like I said,

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I think Ariel Sharon was an was an oriental view

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like his late age was indigenous to Palestine, but he

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was That was the exception mostly, Diane. I'm not sure either,

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but most of these guys, they had a background like

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Ariel Sharone. They are these dual like Nau, they were

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these Uh, they're the dual citizen Ashkenam who h didn't

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have any connection to the region before the you know,

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Zionist enterprise developed real momentum, you know, and uh, they're

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the they're the they're the sons and grandsons of you know,

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people who who emigrated there to to ethnically clans and

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occupy Palestine. And that's that's not accidental. It's not accidental

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that there's not some ecumenical sensibility between Orientals. Suffer them

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in the Askam, at least within that faction of the

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zion estate, and after being was murdered, I mean, that's

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the only faction that really matters.

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Speaker 1: So that's very interesting if you've had the unfortunate experience

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of having to do business with Israeli's which if you're

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in tech, you don't really have a choice. You'll bump

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into them eventually, right, and every one of them will

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be very honest with you that it is a racially

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stratified caste system. That's what the state is.

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Speaker 2: Well that's also that's why I said jew.

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Speaker 1: Israeli government seeks to preserve Ashkenazi power over the other

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you know types of Jews that live there.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, well what's also when the Ethiopian when Ethiopian

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jewelry was pushing for a respondents the right of return

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of status, you know what? What what was Tel Aviv's

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claim is all these people aren't Jews. Well they got

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you know, their DNA maps, they certainly are Jews, you

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know the whole I mean, Ethiopians are interesting people. They're

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very much an outlier. And I I believe this is

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a bit of a tangent. But if you read about

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what happened in Rwanda, it was uh, the the the

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war cry the hutu's translated to something like send the

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Tutsis back up the Nile. Like their view is that

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these aren't real black folks. You know, they're there there

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there there was some Arab overlord cast and there's something

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to that. But be as it may, the view of

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Tel Aviv was basically like, you know, these the the

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these n words aren't real Jews, you know, they a

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bunch of darkies. But I mean it's like they it's like, look,

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according to your own strictures, these people are Jewish.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, both both can be true. So are you a

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racial state or are you not?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? No, one hundred percent. So it's it's like you

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can't and I mean they're the ones. It's these it's

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these are Zionists who.

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Speaker 1: They sterilized all of them, didn't they or tried to.

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Speaker 2: There was something fucked up like that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I remember this is this, This happened. They told

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them that they had to have mandatory vaccines because they

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came from Africa they could be carrying malaria. And they

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found out later that they were sterilizing the fucking of

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the Opiu women.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think it was a temporary sterilization, Like like.

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Speaker 1: I hate when I get one your.

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Speaker 3: Environmental birth control.

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Speaker 2: Well, because it may the the entire That's why it's bizarre.

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I mean, it's it's one thing if if these if

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these simpletons want to bandy moronic uh cold war talking

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points or bumper sticker Pablo and like Israel is our

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only l I in the region. But you can't if

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you're gonna go around and claim that Israel is this

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liberal social democracy, that's just asine. It is a it

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is an an overtly racial social estate. It's just not

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anything else. It's never pretended to be anything else. And

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it's kind of incredible to me o people will just

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parrot that, you know, that's that that that's totally that's

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uniquely at odds with reality.

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Speaker 1: Yep, and how it functions in the West is as

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an organized crime syndicate. Okay, for organized crime then it

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is now no.

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Speaker 2: Of course, but I mean even in value neutral terms,

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claiming that's really the European style social democracy, it'd be

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like insisting Japan is a Marxist Leninist state. I mean,

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it's just like at odds with reality in naked capacities.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 4: It's so I'm off of Twitter, but it seems like

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Japanese and Americans are having a love fest over their

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hate of the rest of the world on Twitter lately.

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Mm hmm, like like, yeah, my friend Tom Woods said

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said something when he was recording with oron McIntyre yesterday

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that he's he paid for his three k history oldest

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girls to visit Japan like six months ago and what

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he what they said was and I thought this was

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really interesting, was they loved Japan, but they felt like

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they didn't belong there.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I can attest to that. That's the way it was

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thirty five years ago. Yeah, they'll be polite and everybody

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will go out of their way to be solicitous, but

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they're not going to pretend like you belong. And there's

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something impenetrable about, yep, about Japanese society.

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Speaker 1: But it's and if you try and go to like

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the wrong bar at, you know, in the wrong place,

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the less sophisticated, you know, much smaller than you bouncer

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will probably be the only person in Japan that will

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say it, will tell it to you straight. But it's

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what everybody else in Japan is thinking. And that's no

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GUIDs an allowed.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like you don't belong here, don't be oub toose,

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you know. And it's no I mean gragic case. And

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don't get me wrong, I mean it's like a dying

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civilization because America lilally murdered it. But they're not. The

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way they're going out is just kind of out of

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like quiet to spare.

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Speaker 1: They're not.

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Speaker 2: They it was what America tried to do to America.

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Don't get me wrong, America tried to do to them

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what was done to Germany, but it failed because it

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was impenetrable. There's not there's not a colon of vocabulary

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and conceptual terms to to dismantle it that way from within.

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Speaker 1: What's interesting is what's happening with the youth in Japan. Tom.

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I don't know if you've been paying attention. They don't

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get any real press, but like a lot of the

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guys on the right will pay attention to like what

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like the European youth are doing, and you know, a

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lot of the various right wing movements because of it.

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I guess up until now we've had virtually no access

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to Japanese h you know, kind of cultural you know,

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artifacts and and news. But the right wing, particularly sub

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forty years old, is booming in Japan.

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Speaker 2: No, that's great.

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Speaker 1: These guys are up on all stuff that we're up on.

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Speaker 2: No mean, the guys from a I mean, this is

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very subcultural, but I like Bound for Glory a lot.

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and they're from Minnesota. They're from the Twin Cities, they

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went to Japan, this was probably like five six years ago,

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and they played a bunch of shows because this one,

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this one Japanese right wing outfit brought him there and

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they dropped a bunch of cool stuff before their Instagram

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account got nuked. You know, they were saying they were

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they were dropping I praise on this Japanese cadre that like,

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well at the red carpet for them, which is proper.

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I mean the Japanese there are allies just just like

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you know, adjacent elements within Daryl Islamar and I mean

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that as it was in nineteen forty as it is today,

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but the one of the obstacles to the Japanese right.

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the Paul Strader back got Yukio Mishima. Traditionally, with the

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exception of some high profile polls, particularly in Tokyo, who

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were openly right wing who got into executive or mayor

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roal roles and stuff, right wing sensibilities were bound up

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with criminal subcultures like Yakuza. Guys were openly right wing.

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The UH, the uh, the biker culture there, which is

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totally different than like the one percenter culture you know

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that the stuff that was the subject to their old

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documentary God Speedy Black Emperor. Those guys were based on

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the farm team for the Akuza. You know, they they

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were open. They they'd openly like fly a right wing

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anti American flag. But you know in uh as As Japan,

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it's kind of like cellary man culture of a game dominant.

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I mean that's totally faded now to your point, but

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anything that appeared to be disreputable in class terms, and

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it didn't help that so many Yakuza guys are are

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of Bura Khoman heritage.

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Speaker 1: Well, no, I think that's actually you hit on a

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really good point, Thomas, in class terms, and I don't

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think a lot of people understand the distinction. You mind

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going into that a little bit more.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, depands a truly feudal society. The only thing really

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comparable is the UK and our experience, but Japan's more

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more homogeneous. In the United Kingdom and uh people people

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look at the Yakuza, they say it's the Japanese mafia.

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It's not. It's not like the Italian mafia basically, And

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even the term yaku'sah that that card game that they

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all play, yak who's uh is uh it's a. It's

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the vocalization of the of of the numeric losing hand

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in that game. So if you say I'm a yakhu'sa,

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you're basically saying I'm a loser in life. I am

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at the bottom. And buraku and they weren't a traditional underclass.

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They came about because they tended to be people who

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worked in unclean professions by you know, because a big

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aspect of Shinto is things that are ritually unclean. So butchers, undertakers,

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people who in their lineage had women who were prostitutes.

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You could never overcome that. You you became ritually unclean

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and respectable, people don't associate with you. That was the

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core of the akuza. And they were kind of the

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last guys who were openly, you know, worshipers of the

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emperor and the imperial idea, you know, and and who

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took pride in in in Japanese racialism and a people

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what liberals view was like a chauvinistic way. So it

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kind of became bound up this idea of being right

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way and kind of being bound up with with with

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with mob guys and burak kuman stuff. And again I'm

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not like a I'm not a japan expert. I don

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want to speak the language or anything. But I do

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know something about the accuso, and I do know something

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about the Japanese right wingings such as I can lean

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across the winguistic and conceptual divide. But that's that's what

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Speaker 1: I find I find it interesting that economics, or the

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failure of economics, is the driving force driving young people.

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I think between that and spiritual forces that are, you know,

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beyond men's total comprehension and control.

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Speaker 2: Well, I think, yeah, I didn't mean interrupt you.

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Speaker 1: You're fine.

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Speaker 2: No, Japan's are not. Chase two. The the kind of

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quasi conspiracy theory that I think actually isn't really a

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conspiracy theory was that MET, which was the Japanese Trade Ministry,

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and Japan's not a free market economy, and the way

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we think of it, like in the eighties and nineties

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NBA speak, they'd say, oh, in the Japanese system, there's

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a bureaucracy that quote picks winners and losers. By what

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they mean is that MEETI and a constellation of other

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governmental and quasi governmental organizations they decide what industry gets

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funded and gets pushed and gets subsidized, and what doesn't. So,

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for example, the Japanese decided they were going to conquer

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the global auto market and take it from Americas. That's

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exactly what they did. And they did that through a

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combination of exchange rate and tariff mercantilism and having their

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firms operate at a loss in key markets for as

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long as they had to until they could capture those markets. Okay,

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and MEETI is where a lot of this policy and

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decision making originates from. The claim is that the Japanese

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Defense Ministry basically became MEETI after you know, the Tokyo

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trials and stuff, and the guys who'd been spared prosecution

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basically reconstituted as MEETI. And there's something to that when so,

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especially considering the Cold War paradigm and Japan was very

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much under threat from the Soviet Union. Obviously, okay it

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there was a certain right wing sensibility that went into

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Japanese economic planning that wasn't just metaphorical. There really was

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a power political aspect to it. When the nineties hit

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and when Japan finally was when their incelarty was broken

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by Wall Street, and they became dependent upon American financial

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instruments for example, that diminished their not just their incelarty

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but their autonomy to act and sovereign power, political capacities.

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But also you know, I do take some exception when

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people say, oh, Japan failed in the nineties. Japan's got

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what one hundred and thirty million people. It's it's a

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third the size of Europe and the United States. Like,

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infinite growth is not possible on an on a nation

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that's essentially an overpopulated volcanic island with no natural resources

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and a and a dwindling population. Okay, but there's really

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not much there for a young person, you know, guys

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or girls. Obviously young guys are going to be the

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driving engine of dynamic activity. But you know, it's not

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like young Japanese women if if they can't find a husband,

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it can provide for a family, you know what. It

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becoming a forty year old office lady doesn't exactly seem appealing.

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I wouldn't imagine, you know.

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Speaker 1: And it's very similar to the US or through the

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West for at large, where you see a bifurcation of

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males right there is you know.

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Speaker 2: This the tendencies, is what you mean.

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Speaker 1: Well, also that men, there's a cast of men that

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have you know, deliberately sissified themselves.

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Speaker 2: Uh yeah, yeah, was always sexually weird too. I'm not

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saying that pejoritively, but they're.

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Speaker 1: Just there're very you can buy women's panties in vending machines. Yeah,

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I mean, you're not talking out of line.

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Speaker 2: Well, it's also just it's just sexually weird. I mean,

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like I mean, don't get me wrong. I mean, America

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is re perverted, and there's a there's real dishonesty about that.

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I mean, it's America, who who consumes all this disgusting pornography.

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But there's also a core of basically white Britain normalcy

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to most people with you know, I believe that also

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was kind of hardcoded into America despite propaganda. In the contrary,

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Japan is uh, And I've got a lot of respect

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for Shinzo and for the kind of Mountain Buddhism that

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also is is you know, an aspect of Japanese religiosity,

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But there's very pagan strange there, and there's a lot

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of very strange sex stuff. So I think there's a

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unique susceptibility there there wouldn't be in say in America

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or in Islamic society.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, there's there's a I don't know what the distribution is,

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but just from my observation and conversations I have with

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friends that live there, it's very similar to like the

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the percentage of young men that basically broke left and

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are you know, cool with basically becoming spiritual women like

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giving up on masculinity or here in the US it

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was like you know, view talks to as toxic, right,

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so like being less masculine was how you fit in

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with the regime and it's apparatics and there it's basically

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I can't remember what it's called, but like these men

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openly like do not pursue women. But also like this

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is where you see like the the sex pillows and

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the sex robots from like they've just basically removed themselves

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well in a very different way than America, but the

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end result is the same. They're removing themselves from the

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fucking gene pool.

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Speaker 2: Well something that's I think it's lost on some people Historically.

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The reason why if you read something like Arabian, you know,

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the thousand Arabian nights, or if you look at the

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course of the auto insultants, or if you look at

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some of these strange aspects of the Mandarin Court, you know,

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and which endured really until the Red Revolution and China,

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there's odd oriental aspects seat that that have seeped into

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America obviously owing to globalism as well as this critical

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mass of racial aliens. And there's something a stock character

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and all these examples that I just indicated is uh,

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you know, there's the there's the Harem munix. But then

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there's also some some court advisor who some like very gay,

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kind of effeminine meal. That's that that's a real thing

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in ultra stratified renal societies. It's not just because there's

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some critical mass of gays. Some guys just make that decision,

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your point, because that's really the only thing going, you know,

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And am I gonna be? Am I gonna be a

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ditch dick or decide to basically become like a shemail

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and then I can have a comfortable life at court

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and people will be nice to me because I'm no

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threat to the center of power, you know.

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Speaker 1: And this is why, this is why infiltration politics will

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never work. Why secretive politics will never work. There's a

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lot of guys that are like, oh no, we have

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to you know, infiltrate the political apparatus as it exists,

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or we need to do secret societies. I know, like

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that bat guy talks about that all the time. Like,

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I'm sorry, if you are a racial underclass majority, these options,

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these pathways are closed to you if you want to

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00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:43,799
cut your cock off, or you are five foot five

469
00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:48,440
really swarthy and can pull off a kippa, like, these

470
00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:50,880
options are excluded for you.

471
00:29:52,079 --> 00:29:54,279
Speaker 2: Well that and it's not and it's just not the way,

472
00:29:54,720 --> 00:29:56,880
it's not the way a white person should think, you know,

473
00:29:56,920 --> 00:29:59,640
And I exactly, you know, and I'm gonna i am.

474
00:30:00,319 --> 00:30:04,039
I am a heritage American and that means that my

475
00:30:04,359 --> 00:30:07,799
uh you know, you know, at the end of the day,

476
00:30:08,119 --> 00:30:12,519
my spirit animal is an Austrican painter. But my my

477
00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:21,680
cultural totems are the ways and practices and warrior ethos

478
00:30:21,680 --> 00:30:26,279
of Ulsters. So when I think about revolutionary politics, I

479
00:30:26,279 --> 00:30:28,400
think of Cromwell, I think of Daniel Shay's and I

480
00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:32,680
think of Andrew Jackson. You know, that's one of the

481
00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:37,480
reasons I maintained that for a continental uh Thinker earns

482
00:30:37,519 --> 00:30:40,559
the Younger is uniquely relevant to the American situation because

483
00:30:40,559 --> 00:30:44,640
if you're if you're part of the Aryan yeomanry, especially

484
00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:49,119
if you're reformed, you know, you should be looking into

485
00:30:49,119 --> 00:30:55,119
the anarch as conceptualized by Younger as your model. You know, uh,

486
00:30:55,319 --> 00:30:57,559
we we don't we we don't want to. We don't

487
00:30:57,559 --> 00:31:01,279
want to recreate some we don't want to imitate, you know,

488
00:31:02,559 --> 00:31:04,720
the core of the English Royals. We don't want to.

489
00:31:05,319 --> 00:31:07,599
We don't want to become Oriental so that we can

490
00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:10,920
cancer the reins of government. We don't we don't want

491
00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:13,759
the welfare state. But you know, with with us at

492
00:31:13,759 --> 00:31:15,400
the Helm, you know, we want to burn it the

493
00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:18,039
fuck down. We want to get to the point where

494
00:31:19,359 --> 00:31:22,920
it's not only legal, but it's validated to take people

495
00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:26,400
like Lindsay Graham and force feed them their skin. You know,

496
00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:27,319
that's the goal.

497
00:31:29,359 --> 00:31:32,680
Speaker 1: That's what we're going You're just never going to to

498
00:31:32,759 --> 00:31:36,960
get there. And this is I mean, there is a

499
00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:42,480
there is a portion of people, right regardless of their

500
00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:47,720
you know, that are generally very well intended, right that

501
00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:54,200
basically from in a frame of mind that lends itself

502
00:31:54,519 --> 00:31:59,480
to these these these personality types are very important. We

503
00:31:59,519 --> 00:32:04,160
need them. Most of our our racial achievements are from

504
00:32:04,359 --> 00:32:09,680
men like them. Right, Our science, our inventions, our discoveries

505
00:32:09,799 --> 00:32:15,039
come from a specific type of autism. I don't I

506
00:32:15,079 --> 00:32:17,440
shouldn't use the word autism, right, but it's the very

507
00:32:17,480 --> 00:32:27,359
iron t j engineering mind or engineers.

508
00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:26,559
Speaker 2: Like ultra left brain people.

509
00:32:27,319 --> 00:32:35,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, and they will basically they will agree on well,

510
00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:39,359
they don't have the type of personality that allows them

511
00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:43,839
to see beyond what exists. Right, So because of that,

512
00:32:44,039 --> 00:32:44,319
it is.

513
00:32:44,319 --> 00:32:47,119
Speaker 2: Not political thinkers. That's why scientists don't run things on

514
00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:48,119
the political side.

515
00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:50,200
Speaker 1: Well, this is the problem with like a lot of

516
00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:53,279
the right wing discourses, a lot of the non sphere,

517
00:32:53,359 --> 00:32:57,279
a lot of the you know, political actual right wing

518
00:32:57,400 --> 00:33:01,559
is driven, is made up of people like this. There's

519
00:33:01,799 --> 00:33:04,599
very there's there's a vast majority of them that you know,

520
00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:09,200
would be better served you know, building something, right, architecting

521
00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:12,200
a bridge or you know, writing a new piece of

522
00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:18,039
software or inventing a new you know thing. And because

523
00:33:18,079 --> 00:33:21,599
of that, like they can't really, they can't really just

524
00:33:22,319 --> 00:33:28,680
it was like in nobody could envision a world where

525
00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:33,160
the Kaiser did not exist, and then all of a sudden,

526
00:33:33,160 --> 00:33:34,200
one day he didn't exist.

527
00:33:36,680 --> 00:33:39,160
Speaker 2: No, that's why, that's why I find myself at odds

528
00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:43,960
with the what kind I mean, if we have to

529
00:33:44,039 --> 00:33:48,279
use the terms in condes? What what? What the mainstream

530
00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:51,480
is of people who claim to be dissit encoded, because Yeah,

531
00:33:51,519 --> 00:33:53,039
there are a bunch of guys I think things are

532
00:33:53,079 --> 00:33:56,279
reducible to IQ or they they've got no problem with

533
00:33:56,319 --> 00:33:59,319
government has constituted. They just think it's the wrong sets

534
00:33:59,319 --> 00:34:02,160
of personalities staff that you know, I'm I'm a I'm

535
00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:05,359
a radical right brain person, you know, Like I don't

536
00:34:05,359 --> 00:34:07,720
think that way, you know. And I admit that like

537
00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:11,880
guy who's can build bridges or you know, develop a

538
00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:17,920
better airplane or you know, design a computer that emulates

539
00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:21,480
aspects of the human mind, Like that's that's way more

540
00:34:21,559 --> 00:34:23,960
impressive and significant than the stuff that I do. But

541
00:34:24,639 --> 00:34:28,039
I understand politics and these guys don't. And they can't

542
00:34:28,039 --> 00:34:30,239
get that through their head that it's not a math

543
00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:33,960
problem or something, you know, And they can't read historical

544
00:34:34,039 --> 00:34:37,719
variables because it's it's not it's not a concrete thing

545
00:34:37,719 --> 00:34:40,400
that can be reducible kinds of inputs that they're comfortable

546
00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:41,440
dealing with.

547
00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:45,159
Speaker 1: Yeah, they think that this is the shape it was before.

548
00:34:45,360 --> 00:34:49,239
So unless the thing exists in you know, is this shape,

549
00:34:49,320 --> 00:34:52,000
these two shapes don't match. But they don't understand that

550
00:34:52,199 --> 00:34:56,840
these shapes can never match the situational that basically, the

551
00:34:56,880 --> 00:34:59,920
facts on the ground in like let's say, you know,

552
00:35:00,199 --> 00:35:05,559
nineteen thirties Germany are slightly similar in spirit to what's

553
00:35:05,559 --> 00:35:09,519
happening now, but the situation is not going to be

554
00:35:09,599 --> 00:35:12,119
the same situation. Right. We live in a world full

555
00:35:12,119 --> 00:35:16,159
of complexity. Yeah, technologies, now go ahead.

556
00:35:16,239 --> 00:35:19,679
Speaker 4: Let me Ezra Thomas. What was eva? Evla was at

557
00:35:19,719 --> 00:35:24,360
odds with the National Socialists because Evela thought that trying

558
00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:28,119
to take over the government was he was against that.

559
00:35:28,159 --> 00:35:29,480
What was his reasoning on that?

560
00:35:29,519 --> 00:35:32,599
Speaker 2: Again was complicated because on the one hand, the SS,

561
00:35:32,679 --> 00:35:36,159
particularly the sd WHO, which kind of became a nasty organization.

562
00:35:37,599 --> 00:35:41,199
They were spying on Evila and they issued this report

563
00:35:41,599 --> 00:35:45,559
to the right community Security Office. He's saying that, you know, Evilla,

564
00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:48,800
they said, in their words, he was quote a reactionary

565
00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:52,119
Roman of a sort because he was highly critical in

566
00:35:52,119 --> 00:35:57,639
the regime. But when Hitler had scorseany spring Mussolini and

567
00:35:57,960 --> 00:36:02,559
brought Mussolini to Wolf's where Julius Evla was there too

568
00:36:02,599 --> 00:36:05,280
to greet him. So, I mean he had good offices,

569
00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:11,760
not just with the party but with the fear, you know,

570
00:36:11,880 --> 00:36:14,039
and there were elements of the SS I'm sure who

571
00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:18,960
had an annual disposition towards him. You got to if

572
00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:20,679
you really want to understand that the core of it

573
00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:24,440
is ethical, Okay, Julius Evla he looked at He looked

574
00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:28,760
at the National Solzio's Party as having some potential to

575
00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:34,320
roll back what he viewed as as a basically Anglophone

576
00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:42,719
and Judaic cultural rot that had seeped into European life

577
00:36:42,840 --> 00:36:44,679
in conceptual and discursive terms.

578
00:36:45,159 --> 00:36:45,840
Speaker 3: But he.

579
00:36:47,679 --> 00:36:50,280
Speaker 2: Also viewed it as a as a vulgar mass movement

580
00:36:51,079 --> 00:36:56,159
that the mandate of which derived from essentially like a

581
00:36:56,719 --> 00:37:00,519
ballot box supermajority. After the Communists were dealt with, you know,

582
00:37:00,639 --> 00:37:05,800
and Jonathan Bowden gave a talk an evil like Evila

583
00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:08,960
is his model of a sort of like a perfect

584
00:37:09,400 --> 00:37:14,239
government in a harmony with with God was basically almost

585
00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:16,679
something like the you know that the court of the

586
00:37:16,719 --> 00:37:20,719
Egyptian Pharaoh. Again that I'm not being silly, you know,

587
00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:30,599
obviously with with certain aspects that were commensurate with with

588
00:37:30,920 --> 00:37:35,000
modernity as it existed, but he he was on a

589
00:37:35,039 --> 00:37:40,000
totally different program. You know. His view was that political life,

590
00:37:40,960 --> 00:37:47,480
religious life, metaphysics, it all had to derive from this

591
00:37:48,440 --> 00:37:54,360
solar cult of metaphysical knowledge that was and the reason

592
00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:56,800
why you know that Pharaoh was the Pharaoh, or Caesar

593
00:37:56,920 --> 00:37:59,960
was Caesar and the Kaiser was the Kaiser as big

594
00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:08,559
because within his bloodline and within his curated uh racial

595
00:38:08,639 --> 00:38:13,559
cast was an ability to access knowledge and understanding of

596
00:38:13,599 --> 00:38:17,800
this metaphysical data that's not accessible to lower orders of man,

597
00:38:18,920 --> 00:38:21,440
you know, And that's that's the way things need to

598
00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:24,880
be ordered in order to return to, you know, the

599
00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:29,280
golden age of human existence, when you know, the planet

600
00:38:29,400 --> 00:38:34,519
was literally ruled by this aryan overcast that emanated out

601
00:38:34,760 --> 00:38:41,559
from UH, the the Cacassus heartland and what's now you know,

602
00:38:42,719 --> 00:38:46,199
modern Central Asia and the step like that was his notion.

603
00:38:46,679 --> 00:38:48,880
So looking at it, off Hitler, he's gonna be a

604
00:38:48,920 --> 00:38:52,440
Hitler as the soul of an artist, and he's a warrior.

605
00:38:52,639 --> 00:38:55,400
He's a warrior artist and a great man in some

606
00:38:55,519 --> 00:39:00,559
sense that in some concrete sense obviously, but he's basically

607
00:39:00,639 --> 00:39:04,760
leading a proletariat or revolt against like the enemies of

608
00:39:04,800 --> 00:39:07,400
his race. And like that's that just makes him a

609
00:39:07,440 --> 00:39:12,679
tribal warlord, you know, and tribal warlordism is is just

610
00:39:12,719 --> 00:39:18,880
as diminished as as democracy or communism is just obviously

611
00:39:18,880 --> 00:39:23,159
not as destructive to ordinary people's way of life. And

612
00:39:23,480 --> 00:39:28,320
obviously it preserves some aspects of high civilization, but it

613
00:39:28,360 --> 00:39:31,159
does so in sort of a museum piece sense, you know,

614
00:39:31,480 --> 00:39:34,639
it doesn't actually revive anything like that. That was the issue.

615
00:39:37,840 --> 00:39:40,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you see, you see that kind of creeping

616
00:39:40,480 --> 00:39:43,119
in in various ways that they were trying to basically

617
00:39:45,039 --> 00:39:50,840
fill a spiritual kind of empty space in the ideology

618
00:39:51,440 --> 00:39:52,280
various ways.

619
00:39:53,639 --> 00:39:55,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, And that's the problem is. And I got into

620
00:39:55,880 --> 00:39:58,559
this yesterday with my friend Taylor from manel of Hill.

621
00:39:58,599 --> 00:40:00,480
That was the subject we're talking about on the mind

622
00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:03,519
face with you know, and I I mean, grant, I've

623
00:40:03,559 --> 00:40:06,119
got a more charitable view of the German Reich than most.

624
00:40:07,960 --> 00:40:10,480
The problem was was was Zeitgeist. And if you read

625
00:40:10,679 --> 00:40:14,360
if you read stuff like Rosenberg Smith of the twentieth century,

626
00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:17,280
you know, I mean, I think Rosenberg had some odd ideas,

627
00:40:17,400 --> 00:40:20,039
but I find neo paganis I'm gonna odd. But in

628
00:40:20,119 --> 00:40:24,320
Rosenberg's case, I think a century before he would have

629
00:40:24,360 --> 00:40:28,480
been a pretty He probably have been like an observant

630
00:40:28,559 --> 00:40:31,000
Lutheran and what he gaven occurring to him. You're dealing

631
00:40:31,039 --> 00:40:37,079
with the zeitgeist that insisted God was dead, religion is over.

632
00:40:37,719 --> 00:40:41,280
You know, everything is reducible to you know, the world

633
00:40:41,440 --> 00:40:46,159
is is energy, matter, time and space, and human behavior

634
00:40:46,239 --> 00:40:52,320
owes to blood and biological variables, and it's it's it's

635
00:40:52,360 --> 00:40:54,840
meaningless to talk in any other terms. You know. The

636
00:40:54,880 --> 00:40:57,440
degree to which this was just the way everybody thought

637
00:40:57,519 --> 00:41:01,840
can't be overstated. That's why, you know, what really ended

638
00:41:01,880 --> 00:41:05,119
the Cold War. It wasn't like because the Gipper was.

639
00:41:05,119 --> 00:41:08,440
This was this military and political genius. It wasn't just

640
00:41:08,480 --> 00:41:11,519
because communism doesn't work. I mean, yeah, there was a

641
00:41:11,679 --> 00:41:19,079
constellation of causes, proximate and ultimate. But what destroyed communism

642
00:41:19,159 --> 00:41:22,480
is that the Zeitgeist collapse, that Zeke collapsed, you know,

643
00:41:22,639 --> 00:41:27,320
and the Catholic moment is the uh, the the Islamic revival,

644
00:41:28,039 --> 00:41:32,119
you know, and ultimately that jihad against communism in Afghanistan.

645
00:41:32,559 --> 00:41:35,760
Nobody saw this coming and that took down that twentieth

646
00:41:35,800 --> 00:41:38,760
century Zeichgeist. That's a ridiculous one. Like some of these

647
00:41:38,760 --> 00:41:42,599
like Reddit types or somebody's midwies they cite like Richard Dawkins.

648
00:41:42,599 --> 00:41:44,800
I'm like you, people are totally out of date. Like

649
00:41:44,840 --> 00:41:47,960
nobody thinks like that anymore. You know, you're you're speaking

650
00:41:47,960 --> 00:41:50,480
the language of nineteen seventy.

651
00:41:50,599 --> 00:41:50,880
Speaker 3: You know.

652
00:41:53,039 --> 00:41:59,079
Speaker 1: It's because people don't know. And okay, so to push

653
00:41:59,559 --> 00:42:01,519
to not put push back again, I will push back

654
00:42:01,519 --> 00:42:06,320
on the the Court of the Pharaoh bit. But what

655
00:42:06,360 --> 00:42:11,280
EVERLA is saying is true? Right. Everybody knows this. They

656
00:42:11,360 --> 00:42:13,760
just haven't had it explained to them in a way

657
00:42:13,800 --> 00:42:18,360
that they can index. But everybody knows that the things

658
00:42:18,440 --> 00:42:23,239
that a person really knows right, that they know instantly

659
00:42:23,280 --> 00:42:28,920
as truth comes from somewhere else. That's not your thinking,

660
00:42:29,679 --> 00:42:34,400
you know, brain of words, it's a felt thing. That's

661
00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:38,599
how you know something to be instantly true yet having

662
00:42:38,840 --> 00:42:41,280
not had any time to examine them.

663
00:42:41,599 --> 00:42:41,760
Speaker 3: Right.

664
00:42:41,800 --> 00:42:45,920
Speaker 1: It comes with a emotive force. Right, So not only

665
00:42:46,079 --> 00:42:50,519
do you think this is true, you know it to

666
00:42:50,599 --> 00:42:51,079
be true?

667
00:42:52,360 --> 00:42:54,800
Speaker 2: Well would change things written large, and I know that

668
00:42:54,840 --> 00:42:59,480
people don't. It's the points what plays when people say, okay,

669
00:42:59,519 --> 00:43:02,679
you can't read something that's wrong to the enlightenment and

670
00:43:02,760 --> 00:43:08,400
intrigues therein that aim to secularize the human existence. But

671
00:43:09,880 --> 00:43:15,599
the whole project of modern philosophy in the Western world

672
00:43:16,079 --> 00:43:21,239
was to resolve the problem of universals and the question

673
00:43:21,280 --> 00:43:23,519
of the thing in itself. And there's no way to

674
00:43:23,559 --> 00:43:26,519
resolve that. So what Newton did was he said, well,

675
00:43:26,559 --> 00:43:31,000
actually it's not even a question because if you look

676
00:43:31,039 --> 00:43:34,239
at say, if you can say the colored green, there

677
00:43:34,280 --> 00:43:36,800
isn't actually a colored green. So I don't even need

678
00:43:36,800 --> 00:43:41,440
to contemplate this phenomena in isolation, because all it is

679
00:43:41,440 --> 00:43:44,639
is that it's a constellation of chemistry and atoms, and

680
00:43:45,119 --> 00:43:48,599
the way that nerves and biological structures in your eye

681
00:43:48,760 --> 00:43:52,320
perceive it, it just registers a degree. So there is

682
00:43:52,360 --> 00:43:56,800
no thing in itself because again, the entire everything in

683
00:43:56,840 --> 00:44:00,840
the cosmos, and everything that's tangible and every thing observable

684
00:44:01,719 --> 00:44:06,360
is uh is just a kind. It's just matter, chemistry, energy,

685
00:44:07,039 --> 00:44:12,760
UH and and and time and space. And if you're

686
00:44:12,760 --> 00:44:21,599
gonna restrict inquiry and conceptual aspects to that criteria, I mean, yeah,

687
00:44:21,599 --> 00:44:23,719
you can basically cut off any other line of inquiry

688
00:44:23,760 --> 00:44:25,639
and you can say that I've resolved all these.

689
00:44:25,519 --> 00:44:29,119
Speaker 1: Philosophy MAGA voters support the war in Iran.

690
00:44:30,280 --> 00:44:30,599
Speaker 2: What's that.

691
00:44:32,320 --> 00:44:34,719
Speaker 1: Of mega Republicans? Support the war in Iran.

692
00:44:36,199 --> 00:44:36,400
Speaker 2: Yeah.

693
00:44:36,440 --> 00:44:39,519
Speaker 1: Probably. If we're only going to ask these people, then

694
00:44:39,559 --> 00:44:41,000
of course we're going to get this answer.

695
00:44:41,360 --> 00:44:41,480
Speaker 5: Right.

696
00:44:41,519 --> 00:44:43,639
Speaker 1: If we're only going to look in these places, of

697
00:44:43,679 --> 00:44:45,199
course we're not going to find anything.

698
00:44:45,760 --> 00:44:47,679
Speaker 2: Well, then that's why, that's why, that's why the new

699
00:44:47,679 --> 00:44:52,280
atheism is a joke, because basically it's saying I'm smart

700
00:44:52,320 --> 00:44:56,159
and you're dumb because you know, according to these parameters

701
00:44:56,159 --> 00:44:59,679
that I will not permit inquiry beyond you know, you

702
00:44:59,679 --> 00:45:03,760
you can't that you can't make the case for you know,

703
00:45:03,800 --> 00:45:07,480
the existence of a non material cause of the cosmos,

704
00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:12,079
you know. And it's uh that that'd be like me saying,

705
00:45:12,280 --> 00:45:18,199
you know, okay, I I want you to develop a

706
00:45:18,199 --> 00:45:24,239
mathematical model for you know, how to how to how

707
00:45:24,280 --> 00:45:26,800
to build a structurally sound of house. You can only

708
00:45:26,800 --> 00:45:28,960
you can only use numbers from one to one hundred.

709
00:45:30,039 --> 00:45:41,679
You know. It's it's an arbitrary criteria tailored the preclude uh,

710
00:45:42,320 --> 00:45:47,239
you know, answers that have been deemed not desirable according

711
00:45:47,239 --> 00:45:50,960
to the priorities of the declarant you know. So it's

712
00:45:51,000 --> 00:45:53,519
not something I take seriously, Like you don't have to

713
00:45:53,519 --> 00:45:55,719
believe in God. I think it's kind of silly not to.

714
00:45:55,880 --> 00:45:57,360
But I'm not saying you have to believe in God

715
00:45:57,440 --> 00:45:59,599
or think like me. But if you if you think

716
00:45:59,599 --> 00:46:04,360
that stuff like Richard Dawkins is is a meaningful or

717
00:46:04,880 --> 00:46:08,639
intellectually rigorous or a fucking dummy, that's on order. Reading

718
00:46:08,679 --> 00:46:12,679
Anne Rand, you know, I mean like you're fucking idiots.

719
00:46:13,800 --> 00:46:18,280
And I don't respect that kind of thing. And I

720
00:46:18,280 --> 00:46:20,760
didn't mean to say I was in justineaty Vola was

721
00:46:20,800 --> 00:46:23,760
saying that like the Court of Ramsey's the third or

722
00:46:23,760 --> 00:46:28,920
something was like this ideal modality of of government or

723
00:46:28,920 --> 00:46:31,679
anything like that. You gotta speaking broad struses because you're

724
00:46:31,679 --> 00:46:36,840
talking about complex metaphysics, and uh I it was. It

725
00:46:36,880 --> 00:46:39,199
was an impart analogy. When I think of a truly

726
00:46:39,239 --> 00:46:41,039
integra when I when I when I think of an

727
00:46:41,079 --> 00:46:49,760
integral cultural expression of metaphysics, theology, worldly authority, ethics, I

728
00:46:50,119 --> 00:46:54,559
think of Egypt, Okay, And that's one of the reasons

729
00:46:54,599 --> 00:46:59,480
why it's so evocative when people think of mysterious and

730
00:46:59,559 --> 00:47:03,880
mystical ancient forms. That that's all I meant that. I

731
00:47:03,920 --> 00:47:07,039
wasn't suggesting that there's no and they structured the state, right.

732
00:47:07,079 --> 00:47:10,800
A majority of the priests just served the function of

733
00:47:10,840 --> 00:47:14,840
what we sayre bureaucrats, right, the religion, the faith system

734
00:47:15,519 --> 00:47:19,920
was the state in both you know, conceptual sense but

735
00:47:20,039 --> 00:47:25,039
in a physical sense. So it is a very good analogy. Yeah, okay,

736
00:47:25,039 --> 00:47:27,159
fair enough. Yeah, I just wanted to clarify.

737
00:47:26,760 --> 00:47:33,960
Speaker 1: That's evil talked about like the Chivalric orders as being

738
00:47:34,000 --> 00:47:38,480
the closest that European man came to the transcendence of

739
00:47:38,519 --> 00:47:45,000
like both the temporal and the political and the transcendental

740
00:47:45,039 --> 00:47:46,039
being kind of one thing.

741
00:47:47,599 --> 00:47:51,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, and I mean it, uh. And I've always

742
00:47:51,880 --> 00:47:54,519
got a fascinating account of northern versus Southern Europe. I

743
00:47:54,559 --> 00:47:57,400
mean not in like a stupid way like midwester bandy

744
00:47:57,480 --> 00:48:01,119
day about like Nords versus moods do meds. Meds are

745
00:48:01,119 --> 00:48:05,519
things you get from the pharmacy. They're not like But

746
00:48:05,559 --> 00:48:09,960
aside from that, U. No, I I'd heard of julays

747
00:48:09,960 --> 00:48:14,119
Elah because even I mean even in even in in

748
00:48:14,199 --> 00:48:17,559
old resistance days, his name would come up, particularly if

749
00:48:17,559 --> 00:48:20,280
you looked at like political soldier faction stuff from the

750
00:48:20,360 --> 00:48:25,000
National Front, which uh like Metzger's war and and instoration

751
00:48:25,159 --> 00:48:28,159
and would would would run sometimes in the zine days,

752
00:48:28,360 --> 00:48:33,280
but I'd never actually read him until right around the

753
00:48:33,400 --> 00:48:36,440
very late nineties early two thousands, there's some really interesting

754
00:48:36,480 --> 00:48:39,320
print material coming out. And Michael moynahan, you know, he's

755
00:48:40,079 --> 00:48:44,079
he's like one of boy Rice's home He's and he's

756
00:48:44,119 --> 00:48:47,000
the guy who founded Blood Axis, you know that this

757
00:48:47,159 --> 00:48:49,760
kind of post punk, the o folk outfit. And he

758
00:48:49,840 --> 00:48:52,639
was behind the publication of The Tier Journal, which was awesome.

759
00:48:53,719 --> 00:48:55,639
I mean that was very Neil Pagan, but it was

760
00:48:55,480 --> 00:48:58,360
it was really good. I I've got in one of

761
00:48:58,360 --> 00:49:00,320
my in my myriad boxes of books, I got a

762
00:49:00,360 --> 00:49:05,039
bunch of old Tier journals. But anyway, moynahan founded a

763
00:49:05,079 --> 00:49:10,440
publishing house called Inner Traditions, and uh they put out, uh,

764
00:49:11,000 --> 00:49:15,480
Men among the Ruins, which is Evila's most overtly political book,

765
00:49:16,239 --> 00:49:21,119
and in the in the appendix appenduses is actually a

766
00:49:21,159 --> 00:49:23,079
one of the things that the protocol is the elder design.

767
00:49:23,159 --> 00:49:25,119
I'm getting to give you an idea of how political

768
00:49:25,159 --> 00:49:29,920
it is. We're bold against the modern world is evil

769
00:49:29,960 --> 00:49:32,559
as metaphysics, and that's that's an awesome book too. But

770
00:49:32,960 --> 00:49:34,760
Men among the Ruins was the first thing I ever

771
00:49:34,800 --> 00:49:38,480
read by Julie Sebla, and uh, it's his most political book,

772
00:49:38,480 --> 00:49:42,599
and that totally changed my thinking. That sounds corny, but

773
00:49:43,280 --> 00:49:52,440
other than other than probably Hobbes, Leviathan Hegel's h Philosophy

774
00:49:52,480 --> 00:50:02,079
of History, The King, James, Bible, and and Imperium, that's

775
00:50:02,079 --> 00:50:07,280
probably the most important like books in my worldview. It's

776
00:50:07,360 --> 00:50:10,639
it's it's awesome. So no, I've hired praise for Julius Eblo,

777
00:50:10,840 --> 00:50:15,039
but you know he, I mean all those uh you

778
00:50:15,079 --> 00:50:21,360
know Merci and Renee Gillon as well. H I mean,

779
00:50:21,440 --> 00:50:24,159
my I'm probably were similar to Guinon in terms of

780
00:50:24,159 --> 00:50:29,119
his in terms of metaphysical postulates, but you know, Genan

781
00:50:29,360 --> 00:50:34,239
was kind of purposely aloof to politics. But I I

782
00:50:34,280 --> 00:50:37,400
consider Men among the Ruins essential reading. It's also like

783
00:50:37,400 --> 00:50:46,239
a lid miss.

784
00:50:43,719 --> 00:50:44,800
Speaker 1: Did you just drop.

785
00:50:51,280 --> 00:50:54,519
Speaker 4: Yeah, he just dropped out. Remember that he.

786
00:50:54,639 --> 00:50:56,920
Speaker 1: Was saying, there we go.

787
00:50:56,800 --> 00:50:58,239
Speaker 2: I got I got flooded for a second.

788
00:50:58,280 --> 00:51:01,679
Speaker 4: Sorry, you were saying Among the Ruins was a litmus test.

789
00:51:02,119 --> 00:51:05,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, because if people want, like in a nutshell or

790
00:51:05,280 --> 00:51:08,159
at a glance, like what what's theres with you and conservatives?

791
00:51:08,199 --> 00:51:10,519
Or why don't you like faga or or why don't

792
00:51:10,519 --> 00:51:14,559
you like closet homosexuals who love the Israel and order

793
00:51:14,719 --> 00:51:17,480
pete hexcess like soiled under we were off of eBay.

794
00:51:17,760 --> 00:51:21,440
It's like, okay, well read men among the ruins, Like

795
00:51:21,559 --> 00:51:23,360
that's that. That's what it to me. That's what it

796
00:51:23,440 --> 00:51:25,880
is to be right wing or to be you know,

797
00:51:25,880 --> 00:51:31,239
a national socialist and present day in substantial measure. And

798
00:51:31,280 --> 00:51:33,239
it hasn't has anything to do with FAGA. There's nothing

799
00:51:33,239 --> 00:51:37,400
to do with you know, this bullshit that these fucking

800
00:51:37,440 --> 00:51:40,239
he loops are into. It's a totally different thing, you know.

801
00:51:40,320 --> 00:51:44,440
That's why it's that's why I always feel uncomfortable. I mean,

802
00:51:44,480 --> 00:51:45,840
I I I find a way to have a good

803
00:51:45,840 --> 00:51:55,440
time where I'm at, like I mean, but uh, when

804
00:51:55,480 --> 00:51:57,519
I get dragged the stuff like am or and I'm

805
00:51:57,519 --> 00:52:01,039
not being critical, I was honored that they youngsters a

806
00:52:01,119 --> 00:52:04,280
loted me on decks so bad, you know, I mean,

807
00:52:04,280 --> 00:52:07,760
that's why I go to stuff like that. I just

808
00:52:07,760 --> 00:52:11,320
don't feel comfortable around those fucking people, man, because uh,

809
00:52:12,960 --> 00:52:15,760
we we were not we we're not the same, you know,

810
00:52:15,840 --> 00:52:17,920
and we don't everything in common with them, and I

811
00:52:17,920 --> 00:52:21,000
don't know what to say. I you know, on the

812
00:52:21,039 --> 00:52:24,320
one hand, obviously away in my life, I'm not particularly

813
00:52:24,360 --> 00:52:27,079
concerned with what people think about me. But I'm also

814
00:52:27,119 --> 00:52:30,559
not I'm also not keen to like going away with

815
00:52:30,599 --> 00:52:33,280
a fan entire rooms full of people unless they're all

816
00:52:33,280 --> 00:52:34,599
total assholes or something.

817
00:52:34,719 --> 00:52:39,719
Speaker 4: So I never quite I get a test to the

818
00:52:39,760 --> 00:52:42,880
fact that Thomas said Amern is pretty fun to watch.

819
00:52:45,199 --> 00:52:47,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, and and no, we we had fun when we

820
00:52:47,639 --> 00:52:50,239
were there, man. But uh but no, that's why it's

821
00:52:50,280 --> 00:52:52,480
not even quite I guess what I'm getting at is

822
00:52:52,519 --> 00:52:55,599
that and I'm not I'm not trying to be too

823
00:52:55,599 --> 00:52:57,719
cool for school or something. But this isn't a middling

824
00:52:57,760 --> 00:53:06,920
point that there's there's there's basic, intractable categorical differences between

825
00:53:07,320 --> 00:53:10,840
what I'm into and what that represents. And one thing

826
00:53:10,840 --> 00:53:12,840
has nothing to do with the other. It's only because

827
00:53:12,880 --> 00:53:17,079
America is this bizarre, the like post New Deal of

828
00:53:17,280 --> 00:53:24,639
American political culture is bizarre. It's hyper secularized, it's got

829
00:53:24,840 --> 00:53:29,039
bizarre parameters, you know, and even if you tried to

830
00:53:29,320 --> 00:53:31,079
even if you try to educate one of these people

831
00:53:31,119 --> 00:53:34,400
and be a fool's errand you know, so.

832
00:53:34,519 --> 00:53:37,599
Speaker 4: I was talking, I was talking to our friend Christian

833
00:53:37,679 --> 00:53:38,760
Secor last night.

834
00:53:39,119 --> 00:53:40,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, you've had you've had him on.

835
00:53:41,039 --> 00:53:41,840
Speaker 2: He's a good dude, man.

836
00:53:42,400 --> 00:53:42,599
Speaker 3: Yeah.

837
00:53:42,679 --> 00:53:46,920
Speaker 4: He was making the point that even a lot of

838
00:53:47,920 --> 00:53:50,599
people that we like and we consider our guys and

839
00:53:50,679 --> 00:53:56,039
we consider it to be comrades, still are buying the

840
00:53:56,079 --> 00:54:00,719
myths that were that were built in. Yeah, even like

841
00:54:00,760 --> 00:54:03,440
the myths from the founding and all of these myths,

842
00:54:03,440 --> 00:54:08,760
they're not willing to see them as myths. When I

843
00:54:08,800 --> 00:54:13,280
say that, I'm not saying they're not willing to they

844
00:54:13,920 --> 00:54:17,000
it's not like they recognize that their myths and that

845
00:54:17,000 --> 00:54:20,519
they may be useful in some way, but they're actually

846
00:54:20,599 --> 00:54:22,079
bought into the myths.

847
00:54:23,159 --> 00:54:28,119
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I think. Yeah, I don't disagree, and and

848
00:54:28,159 --> 00:54:31,679
I mean that's fine, you know, but that that's why

849
00:54:32,679 --> 00:54:36,880
I said, we don't talk about political matters with most people,

850
00:54:38,440 --> 00:54:40,400
I mean, including even a lot of people who are

851
00:54:40,480 --> 00:54:45,559
supposedly on side and mean prelimited purposes they are, but yeah,

852
00:54:45,559 --> 00:54:48,920
they're just not They're not going to be able to

853
00:54:48,920 --> 00:54:50,840
grasp this. And I mean maybe that's a good thing.

854
00:54:51,480 --> 00:54:53,960
Speaker 1: Okay. They can't see that. They can't see where comes

855
00:54:54,000 --> 00:54:55,880
after the kaiser until the Kaiser's gone.

856
00:54:56,199 --> 00:55:04,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I think that's well put. Definitely, I'm i

857
00:55:04,480 --> 00:55:08,400
gotta go, I gotta make a run before the rush

858
00:55:08,480 --> 00:55:11,159
hour starts, and I haven't You can tell him still

859
00:55:11,199 --> 00:55:12,960
kind of sick. I haven't I haven't really eaten the

860
00:55:13,000 --> 00:55:15,400
last couple of days. I got like a tremendous hand

861
00:55:15,519 --> 00:55:17,079
ring for a b O T. I must go, I

862
00:55:17,159 --> 00:55:19,360
must go and search with a bolt in some polls.

863
00:55:20,760 --> 00:55:26,440
Don't be offended. It's Carl's fault that I'm Carl. Yeah,

864
00:55:26,440 --> 00:55:28,880
I'm gonna blame it all on Carl. But no, I

865
00:55:28,920 --> 00:55:31,119
don't be like people make fun of me because they

866
00:55:31,119 --> 00:55:34,599
say that, like, you know, how hours you turn into

867
00:55:34,599 --> 00:55:36,920
a punkin or something. Part of it, too, is that

868
00:55:37,000 --> 00:55:40,079
I I like sitting for an hour, I kind of

869
00:55:40,079 --> 00:55:43,800
have to. I gotta get up and stretch and stuff.

870
00:55:43,840 --> 00:55:49,280
Speaker 1: But I'll it's just you being bigoted, of course that too.

871
00:55:49,360 --> 00:55:53,559
But Carl is doing the best that a black man can.

872
00:55:55,280 --> 00:55:58,280
We were I mean, did you not read the New

873
00:55:58,360 --> 00:56:04,239
York Times? Like being on time is racist? Yeah, color people.

874
00:56:04,360 --> 00:56:08,199
Time exists for colored people. So I mean we have

875
00:56:08,239 --> 00:56:10,039
to give our friend Carl the wide berth.

876
00:56:10,840 --> 00:56:16,880
Speaker 2: No, no, that's fine. I just him for everything. But uh, yeah,

877
00:56:16,880 --> 00:56:23,239
well this is great. When yeah, when you post this up, like,

878
00:56:23,320 --> 00:56:27,079
make sure you tag me so that I know that

879
00:56:27,360 --> 00:56:31,920
it's up. And i'll i'll, i'll, i'll cross post it

880
00:56:31,920 --> 00:56:36,119
onto my sub stack and well, hopefully we can get

881
00:56:36,199 --> 00:56:40,119
Jack up in here soon, man, because he's always a

882
00:56:40,119 --> 00:56:43,519
welcome edition. But I realize he's uh, he's got his

883
00:56:43,559 --> 00:56:48,920
own ship going on. But yeah, thanks, Oh no, there's Carl. Yeah,

884
00:56:48,920 --> 00:56:51,079
that's that's fairly timely because I can I can dip

885
00:56:51,119 --> 00:56:54,840
out and Carl can take up the slick.

886
00:56:55,320 --> 00:56:55,840
Speaker 3: But it's the.

887
00:56:55,760 --> 00:56:58,559
Speaker 1: First time Carl has been timely about anything.

888
00:56:58,880 --> 00:57:01,559
Speaker 2: Can we don leave? He's been here the whole time.

889
00:57:01,599 --> 00:57:03,119
He's just like, was being a dick and we need

890
00:57:03,159 --> 00:57:03,639
me to leave.

891
00:57:05,320 --> 00:57:09,360
Speaker 4: But well, we don't want him listening to this because

892
00:57:09,360 --> 00:57:10,840
we don't want to hear him to this ship.

893
00:57:10,880 --> 00:57:11,960
Speaker 3: We've been talking about him.

894
00:57:13,360 --> 00:57:15,760
Speaker 1: Black fragility. Black fragility is real.

895
00:57:16,360 --> 00:57:21,039
Speaker 2: Ay man, my errands and get and get b old

896
00:57:21,199 --> 00:57:22,440
and Bushmills fills.

897
00:57:22,559 --> 00:57:25,320
Speaker 1: All right, man, Yeah, I try and get uh, let's

898
00:57:25,320 --> 00:57:26,519
try and get Jay on here next.

899
00:57:27,000 --> 00:57:30,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll talk to him. I'm gonna we recorded stuff

900
00:57:30,599 --> 00:57:34,039
yesterday and I I usually talked to him, and we're

901
00:57:34,039 --> 00:57:36,079
gonna he and I we're gonna do whatever you should

902
00:57:36,079 --> 00:57:38,679
google Friday, so I'll bring it up to him then. Yeah,

903
00:57:38,760 --> 00:57:41,880
thank you, I really Thomas.

904
00:57:42,199 --> 00:57:48,159
Speaker 3: Yeah, man, what's up Carl? Hey, gentlemen. Uh so we

905
00:57:49,239 --> 00:57:49,719
so we've.

906
00:57:49,599 --> 00:57:57,119
Speaker 4: Already talked about Jews and Eva la okay, and what

907
00:57:57,239 --> 00:57:58,239
else have we talked about?

908
00:57:58,320 --> 00:57:58,719
Speaker 3: Stormy?

909
00:57:59,519 --> 00:57:59,719
Speaker 1: Oh?

910
00:57:59,760 --> 00:57:59,800
Speaker 5: You?

911
00:58:00,000 --> 00:58:03,880
Speaker 1: I had done a really good thing right before before

912
00:58:04,840 --> 00:58:11,119
Thomas rudely interrupted us with his dietary needs and Carl's absence.

913
00:58:12,079 --> 00:58:15,480
Myth's about kind of the yeah, the myths, and I

914
00:58:15,519 --> 00:58:20,480
think I've been having a conversation with you, Pete and

915
00:58:20,960 --> 00:58:26,559
with Carl kind of about which was you. Guys, everyone

916
00:58:26,760 --> 00:58:29,000
that's listening to this needs to go check out Pete's

917
00:58:29,039 --> 00:58:33,800
recent show with Darryl and field House. It is very

918
00:58:33,880 --> 00:58:34,280
very good.

919
00:58:35,119 --> 00:58:37,079
Speaker 4: It'll be public on Thursday night.

920
00:58:38,119 --> 00:58:41,360
Speaker 1: Well, if you're listening to this after Thursday, just put

921
00:58:41,360 --> 00:58:44,519
this on pause and then go do that and then

922
00:58:44,840 --> 00:58:46,679
come back and play this, because I think that's a

923
00:58:46,719 --> 00:58:49,880
perfect place to pick up on because you're functionally we're

924
00:58:49,880 --> 00:58:50,800
talking about the same thing.

925
00:58:52,800 --> 00:58:56,280
Speaker 4: Yeah, the we did an episode if you're hearing this before,

926
00:58:56,880 --> 00:59:02,960
on Thomas Kuhn. Thomas Kuhn who basically introduced us to

927
00:59:03,079 --> 00:59:07,920
the term paradigm shift, and he was coming at it

928
00:59:07,960 --> 00:59:13,199
from a scientific He was an engineer, so he was

929
00:59:13,239 --> 00:59:15,400
coming at it from a scientific.

930
00:59:16,480 --> 00:59:20,079
Speaker 3: Angle. But when you when you start applying it.

931
00:59:20,559 --> 00:59:23,599
Speaker 4: Once he came came up with that, everybody started applying

932
00:59:23,599 --> 00:59:29,039
it to everything and applying it to politics, and you know,

933
00:59:28,840 --> 00:59:34,559
you just quickly realize that things aren't linear. Nothing the progressive,

934
00:59:36,559 --> 00:59:41,119
the progressive myth of history and everything just getting better

935
00:59:41,159 --> 00:59:43,559
and better and better. It's also call it the whig

936
00:59:43,599 --> 00:59:49,960
theory of history. If you wish no something, something happens,

937
00:59:50,639 --> 00:59:54,239
and especially in history, it seems like it's most often

938
00:59:54,360 --> 01:00:00,480
something tragic, something something horrible, and that causes a shift

939
01:00:00,679 --> 01:00:03,639
in a new way of thinking and people, you know,

940
01:00:03,760 --> 01:00:07,000
I mean, the most obvious is the you know, the

941
01:00:07,039 --> 01:00:10,119
episode like if if you've listened to Daryl's latest episode,

942
01:00:10,159 --> 01:00:13,880
part two of Enemy, the fallout of the ending of

943
01:00:13,920 --> 01:00:17,920
World War One, the monarchies going away and basically the

944
01:00:17,920 --> 01:00:23,199
Bolsheviks trying their best to take over Europe all at once.

945
01:00:24,519 --> 01:00:27,920
So this caused, this caused a paradigm shift where not

946
01:00:27,960 --> 01:00:31,880
only did you not only did you lose monarchies, and like,

947
01:00:32,280 --> 01:00:35,599
you know, the names of these these classic houses that

948
01:00:35,639 --> 01:00:39,599
I think Daryl describes it as their names were as

949
01:00:39,719 --> 01:00:41,079
permanent as like the ocean.

950
01:00:41,440 --> 01:00:43,199
Speaker 3: The names of the oceans.

951
01:00:43,280 --> 01:00:48,280
Speaker 4: Now they're gone, and you're something new is trying to

952
01:00:48,400 --> 01:00:54,840
take over, and it's disastrous as people and murderous as

953
01:00:54,880 --> 01:00:57,559
people are seeing, and it's being reported of what's coming

954
01:00:57,599 --> 01:01:00,960
out of Russia at the time, and and it just

955
01:01:01,079 --> 01:01:04,199
causes people to start thinking differently, and you start having

956
01:01:04,280 --> 01:01:07,840
these different movements, and you know, you start having the

957
01:01:07,880 --> 01:01:12,440
reaction of the National Socialists in Germany and fascism in

958
01:01:12,480 --> 01:01:20,719
Italy and Action Action Fransei in France, and yeah, everything

959
01:01:21,039 --> 01:01:26,840
just goes haywire. And the myths are basically you need

960
01:01:26,960 --> 01:01:30,119
new myths. The old myths do not work anymore.

961
01:01:31,320 --> 01:01:35,320
Speaker 6: Which is in contrast to the wig Nat theory of history,

962
01:01:35,440 --> 01:01:41,239
which is that society collapses question Mark, we're victorious, right,

963
01:01:42,599 --> 01:01:48,000
It kind of dovetails nicely with that something will happen

964
01:01:48,199 --> 01:01:51,559
and we don't know what it's going to be. Does

965
01:01:51,760 --> 01:01:55,800
American society need to collapse utterly for.

966
01:01:55,880 --> 01:01:57,480
Speaker 3: Things to change?

967
01:01:58,559 --> 01:02:00,400
Speaker 5: Probably not, almost certainly not.

968
01:02:01,119 --> 01:02:04,320
Speaker 6: But what about like a carrier group at the bottom

969
01:02:04,360 --> 01:02:07,320
of the sea, you know, off the coast of Iran.

970
01:02:08,519 --> 01:02:11,559
Speaker 5: What about a totally failed.

971
01:02:11,119 --> 01:02:15,719
Speaker 6: Incursion by airborne forces who just you know, initially take

972
01:02:15,880 --> 01:02:18,880
some ground and everyone celebrates and then they get rocked

973
01:02:19,119 --> 01:02:24,519
with Iranian missiles. What is the what's going to happen

974
01:02:24,559 --> 01:02:31,360
after that? Like a total shift in the way people think.

975
01:02:32,000 --> 01:02:38,000
Speaker 1: Let alone, the tragedy's already happened. Yeah, exactly right, the tragedy,

976
01:02:38,039 --> 01:02:41,119
because I mean who is politically engaged. It's young people.

977
01:02:43,320 --> 01:02:48,960
Could you imagine like somebody trying to say, what's happened

978
01:02:48,960 --> 01:02:51,519
to young people in the Western world is not is

979
01:02:51,559 --> 01:02:52,519
anything but tragic?

980
01:02:53,480 --> 01:02:57,400
Speaker 4: Well, here's the thing, Okay, So the tragedy, the tragedy

981
01:02:57,599 --> 01:03:00,800
is happening. Okay, the thing that the going to cause

982
01:03:00,840 --> 01:03:04,800
the shift is happening. But something else is happening at

983
01:03:04,800 --> 01:03:09,239
the same time that needs to be addressed, and it

984
01:03:09,239 --> 01:03:14,239
needs to be addressed seriously by serious people who aren't spergs.

985
01:03:14,840 --> 01:03:18,599
Is that Zionism is dying and Israel is dying. Yeah,

986
01:03:18,800 --> 01:03:23,960
and so everything. What has caused all of these problems

987
01:03:24,000 --> 01:03:26,239
for you know, the last one hundred and twenty one

988
01:03:26,280 --> 01:03:29,119
hundred and forty years. Yes, I know it's twelve hundred

989
01:03:29,199 --> 01:03:32,800
to two thousand years, But let's concentrate on the situation

990
01:03:32,920 --> 01:03:36,679
we have at hand right now. As history has played

991
01:03:36,719 --> 01:03:40,000
out since since the turn of the twentieth century, the

992
01:03:41,599 --> 01:03:45,920
you you you also have to take into consideration and

993
01:03:46,119 --> 01:03:52,199
recognize that Zionism is essentially dead. They just don't know

994
01:03:52,280 --> 01:03:55,239
it yet. It's just not it's not fully dead. It's

995
01:03:55,280 --> 01:03:58,079
you know, it's like the Princess Bride. It's not, you know,

996
01:03:58,159 --> 01:04:02,639
not completely dead, but it's not going to be resurrected.

997
01:04:03,400 --> 01:04:09,440
So what comes next? And it seems like everybody is looking.

998
01:04:10,639 --> 01:04:13,440
Everybody thinks that what's going to replace it is it's

999
01:04:13,480 --> 01:04:17,159
like libertarianism. We want the state to fail and then

1000
01:04:17,239 --> 01:04:19,880
everybody will become a narco capitalist or libertarians.

1001
01:04:19,880 --> 01:04:21,360
Speaker 3: Well, that's not going to happen.

1002
01:04:21,440 --> 01:04:25,800
Speaker 4: It's like what has what has been presented to them,

1003
01:04:25,880 --> 01:04:30,519
what has been built? What has been built in reality,

1004
01:04:30,960 --> 01:04:35,320
not on Twitter. Yeah, that people are going to embrace.

1005
01:04:35,559 --> 01:04:38,599
You know, it's like you hear sometimes you'll hear like

1006
01:04:38,800 --> 01:04:41,480
right wing. You know, these groups groups of guys will

1007
01:04:41,480 --> 01:04:44,199
get together and they're like right wing and they're like, okay,

1008
01:04:44,239 --> 01:04:46,840
we want to do something to help. Okay, we want

1009
01:04:46,840 --> 01:04:49,199
to start a right wing book house. It's like, okay,

1010
01:04:49,280 --> 01:04:52,079
we have enough right wing book houses. How about you

1011
01:04:52,159 --> 01:04:54,800
do this. How about you go open a bunch of

1012
01:04:54,880 --> 01:04:58,559
soup kitchens in your area. Because the people who are

1013
01:04:58,599 --> 01:05:01,639
going to The people who are going to be leaders

1014
01:05:01,960 --> 01:05:04,679
in the future are going to be the people who

1015
01:05:04,719 --> 01:05:09,000
can feed other people. That's the way it always is.

1016
01:05:09,159 --> 01:05:14,599
People are going to be looking for food, so you know,

1017
01:05:14,880 --> 01:05:16,960
come up with that. Come up, you know you can

1018
01:05:17,599 --> 01:05:21,119
if you have if you know hunters, if you're in

1019
01:05:21,159 --> 01:05:24,000
an area where they send out hunters to call the

1020
01:05:24,039 --> 01:05:27,320
deer population. Okay, this is meat that you could be

1021
01:05:27,400 --> 01:05:29,480
taking and you could be processing, and you could be

1022
01:05:29,519 --> 01:05:33,039
freezing for a day when people need food and you

1023
01:05:33,119 --> 01:05:36,679
can feed them. This is the kind of thing that

1024
01:05:36,719 --> 01:05:39,960
people are not thinking about. People are thinking about, Oh,

1025
01:05:40,039 --> 01:05:42,039
we're going to you know, it's going to be nineteen

1026
01:05:42,119 --> 01:05:45,159
thirty three Germany. It's not going to be nineteen thirty

1027
01:05:45,199 --> 01:05:50,599
three Germany. That is that's in the past. It's also

1028
01:05:50,800 --> 01:05:54,639
something that is foreign to most people in this culture.

1029
01:05:55,840 --> 01:05:58,840
So look at what the world is right now, look

1030
01:05:58,840 --> 01:06:02,599
at how people are offering right now, and figure out how,

1031
01:06:02,840 --> 01:06:06,840
if that gets any worse, how you can solve that problem.

1032
01:06:07,880 --> 01:06:10,159
Speaker 1: Well, people that history, people just.

1033
01:06:10,679 --> 01:06:11,199
Speaker 3: Worry about that.

1034
01:06:11,679 --> 01:06:15,880
Speaker 4: If people just want their ideology and ideology ideology. Know,

1035
01:06:16,400 --> 01:06:18,880
one thing that Burnham taught us, especially in Suicide of

1036
01:06:18,920 --> 01:06:22,199
the West, is ideology is you can have the most

1037
01:06:22,199 --> 01:06:24,920
perfect ideology in the world. As soon as it gets

1038
01:06:24,960 --> 01:06:28,519
introduced to the air and it leaves your house, you know,

1039
01:06:28,559 --> 01:06:32,119
you try to introduce it to the public outside of

1040
01:06:32,159 --> 01:06:37,000
a laboratory, it starts to fall apart immediately. So come

1041
01:06:37,079 --> 01:06:41,599
up with something that is actually practically workable in the

1042
01:06:41,639 --> 01:06:42,280
real world.

1043
01:06:44,800 --> 01:06:49,000
Speaker 1: Well so, my opinion on this is it's a both

1044
01:06:49,079 --> 01:06:56,599
and question, right, or it's a both and answer. The

1045
01:06:56,599 --> 01:06:59,559
The reason why you're not going to get national socialism

1046
01:07:00,079 --> 01:07:03,480
as it manifests itself in Germany is because there's millions

1047
01:07:03,480 --> 01:07:07,679
and millions of different tiny variables that are different there

1048
01:07:08,639 --> 01:07:14,159
and different here. But if you took the same spirit

1049
01:07:15,880 --> 01:07:19,840
and you put it through the filter of today, you

1050
01:07:19,840 --> 01:07:24,559
would get something different and at the same time very similar, right,

1051
01:07:24,599 --> 01:07:31,079
almost of the same spirit with national socialism. Look how

1052
01:07:31,360 --> 01:07:40,079
it did with mass communication technologies the Internet, right back

1053
01:07:40,119 --> 01:07:46,119
towards the myth of America. Would the founders have created

1054
01:07:46,199 --> 01:07:52,719
an institution called Congress if mass communication, Internet and blockchain

1055
01:07:52,760 --> 01:07:56,519
technology existed? What would the what would possibly be the

1056
01:07:56,519 --> 01:08:03,559
purpose of sending a bunch of men to DC right

1057
01:08:03,599 --> 01:08:08,519
to basically elect representatives and send those representatives like that

1058
01:08:08,519 --> 01:08:12,199
that wouldn't actually be a problem you would have. Right,

1059
01:08:12,239 --> 01:08:15,800
So the same ethos of representations, the same spirit moving

1060
01:08:15,840 --> 01:08:24,199
through that filter would create something completely alien but at

1061
01:08:24,199 --> 01:08:28,039
the same time similar in its purpose, in it's in

1062
01:08:28,079 --> 01:08:31,279
its driving force. They would be the same, but they

1063
01:08:31,319 --> 01:08:34,880
would look entirely differently. And you can pretty much do

1064
01:08:35,000 --> 01:08:40,159
that with every other major technological epoch. You can do

1065
01:08:40,199 --> 01:08:45,039
both national politics and local politics at the same time.

1066
01:08:46,600 --> 01:08:54,119
Because what I was talking about, like engineer brain before,

1067
01:08:54,159 --> 01:08:57,319
and how that represents ninety five percent of people on

1068
01:08:57,439 --> 01:09:00,800
the right. Right, this is a very very good thing.

1069
01:09:01,479 --> 01:09:07,479
It is. It's extremely problematic, you know, in political discourse,

1070
01:09:08,319 --> 01:09:10,640
but that's because you have a whole bunch of engineers

1071
01:09:10,720 --> 01:09:17,680
trying to basically figure out which ideology, which pathway to

1072
01:09:17,760 --> 01:09:21,439
achieving goals is the best. And they are people that

1073
01:09:22,880 --> 01:09:25,880
can agree on ninety five percent of things and disagree

1074
01:09:25,880 --> 01:09:31,319
on five percent. And with this type of brain, that

1075
01:09:31,399 --> 01:09:35,399
five percent difference becomes one hundred percent of what's important

1076
01:09:35,680 --> 01:09:39,880
because it's different. Right. So these type of people, which

1077
01:09:40,319 --> 01:09:43,840
makes up a vast majority of the people here, right, disagreeable,

1078
01:09:44,199 --> 01:09:52,920
highly intelligent, high agency men will turn small differences into

1079
01:09:53,039 --> 01:09:56,039
the only differences that matter, Right, The only things that

1080
01:09:56,079 --> 01:10:02,079
matter are now the differences, and you watch them build

1081
01:10:02,159 --> 01:10:04,239
up and tear down, and build up and tear down,

1082
01:10:04,279 --> 01:10:06,199
and build up and tear down because none of them

1083
01:10:06,399 --> 01:10:13,279
really actually know what they're building. Basically, the only thing

1084
01:10:13,359 --> 01:10:16,399
that would work, the only thing that does work, is

1085
01:10:17,920 --> 01:10:25,079
giving those people a vision of a future and having

1086
01:10:25,119 --> 01:10:32,720
that vision be put together, each piece by piece in

1087
01:10:32,800 --> 01:10:38,319
their own area of domain expertise, by this vast majority

1088
01:10:38,399 --> 01:10:43,000
of engineer type thinkers, right like Adam from the twentieth century,

1089
01:10:43,039 --> 01:10:48,880
he is going to solve problems of that spirit differently

1090
01:10:49,000 --> 01:10:52,479
than somebody else's. But they're going to just solve different

1091
01:10:52,560 --> 01:10:57,920
aspects of this very very very big problem. Like with

1092
01:10:58,079 --> 01:11:05,199
a in a a startup, you just have one guy, right,

1093
01:11:05,239 --> 01:11:08,640
the founder is a person that sees the thing that

1094
01:11:08,680 --> 01:11:13,279
nobody that nobody saw or nobody could see.

1095
01:11:14,000 --> 01:11:14,199
Speaker 3: Right.

1096
01:11:14,279 --> 01:11:16,760
Speaker 1: They tell you that the solution to a problem you

1097
01:11:16,800 --> 01:11:22,319
don't know you have yet, Right, the guy nobody knew

1098
01:11:22,319 --> 01:11:27,560
they needed a fucking smartphone, and now you people couldn't

1099
01:11:27,560 --> 01:11:34,680
imagine life without it. But before it existed, nobody thought that,

1100
01:11:35,520 --> 01:11:38,920
oh I would like this different future where I have

1101
01:11:39,119 --> 01:11:42,439
this piece of technology and I would like all the

1102
01:11:42,479 --> 01:11:45,600
conveniences that it that it does, and I would like

1103
01:11:45,800 --> 01:11:50,079
to be able to go around and call people. I

1104
01:11:50,279 --> 01:11:54,720
would like to not be tethered, you know, to sometimes

1105
01:11:54,800 --> 01:11:58,079
up to like several feet of telephone court as you

1106
01:11:58,159 --> 01:12:06,039
basically monopolize your kitchen. But nobody saw that world except

1107
01:12:06,039 --> 01:12:10,239
for one guy. One guy's like, Oh, I see a

1108
01:12:10,359 --> 01:12:14,279
different world where we do things differently. I'm going to

1109
01:12:14,359 --> 01:12:18,680
solve a problem that nobody knows they have yet. That

1110
01:12:18,680 --> 01:12:22,359
guy didn't build the microchips. That guy didn't design the phone.

1111
01:12:23,000 --> 01:12:28,199
That guy didn't design the telecommunications technology inside the phone.

1112
01:12:28,359 --> 01:12:32,760
That guy didn't code the software for the phone. That

1113
01:12:32,800 --> 01:12:35,520
guy didn't come up with a marketing plan for the phone,

1114
01:12:35,920 --> 01:12:38,000
didn't do any of that shit because he didn't know

1115
01:12:38,039 --> 01:12:46,399
how to do that shit. The people that see the

1116
01:12:46,479 --> 01:12:50,079
future are not the people that can build the future.

1117
01:12:51,039 --> 01:12:55,239
They're fundamentally different types of people. And the problem is

1118
01:12:55,239 --> 01:12:58,039
we have a whole bunch of building type people and

1119
01:12:58,159 --> 01:13:05,479
nothing to be built. Each one of our guys is

1120
01:13:05,520 --> 01:13:12,119
insanely smart, right, Decentralized fundraising for decentralized food efforts is

1121
01:13:12,119 --> 01:13:14,600
a problem. We could probably solve it in an afternoon.

1122
01:13:17,560 --> 01:13:21,640
A vast majority of the problems we could probably figure

1123
01:13:21,640 --> 01:13:26,319
out improvised solutions for in an afternoon, probably not all

1124
01:13:26,359 --> 01:13:30,760
the same afternoon, but an afternoon. Right, Like I went

1125
01:13:30,840 --> 01:13:36,560
from every single morning it's so over to ending the

1126
01:13:36,640 --> 01:13:39,640
day with we're so back from my first company for

1127
01:13:39,760 --> 01:13:42,840
seven years. Right, it was like we are going to

1128
01:13:42,840 --> 01:13:44,920
be bankrupt by the end of the week. And then

1129
01:13:45,039 --> 01:13:49,039
by the end of the day, you know, six seven

1130
01:13:49,640 --> 01:13:53,199
white dudes figured out a way to hack something together

1131
01:13:53,840 --> 01:13:57,359
and improvise. And the problem is we look at these

1132
01:13:57,399 --> 01:14:06,079
political ideologies as road maps and they're not right. These

1133
01:14:06,119 --> 01:14:09,359
guys were improvising on the fly. I mean you can

1134
01:14:09,399 --> 01:14:14,119
literally just look through Himmler's diary of like the early years,

1135
01:14:14,159 --> 01:14:20,319
like these guys were just putting out fires. As one

1136
01:14:20,359 --> 01:14:23,600
problem popped up, they would figure out a way to

1137
01:14:23,640 --> 01:14:26,159
stop it, and then again and again and again and

1138
01:14:26,159 --> 01:14:28,479
again and again and again. What was left over after

1139
01:14:28,520 --> 01:14:32,520
all that was done was a national socialist state. But

1140
01:14:32,960 --> 01:14:36,119
when we look at it going back in history, we

1141
01:14:36,159 --> 01:14:39,600
look at it as like this complete thought out ethos

1142
01:14:39,960 --> 01:14:43,279
and they had, you know, every part of the aspect

1143
01:14:43,319 --> 01:14:48,560
of that political system came out of the conceptual you

1144
01:14:48,600 --> 01:14:52,560
know brain of you know, one guy or two or

1145
01:14:52,600 --> 01:14:55,680
three guys like no, no, no, no, it was one guy

1146
01:14:55,720 --> 01:14:59,399
that had a vision of what like the future could

1147
01:14:59,399 --> 01:15:03,880
look like and a whole bunch of people solving a

1148
01:15:03,920 --> 01:15:11,039
whole bunch of problems that popped up. Right, Like, so,

1149
01:15:11,239 --> 01:15:19,560
like people think they can't take down a national state

1150
01:15:19,600 --> 01:15:25,560
and we have to focus focus locally. No, we could

1151
01:15:25,600 --> 01:15:32,119
just use mass communication and cultural force, which we have

1152
01:15:32,279 --> 01:15:34,479
now already. Like we're the only thing that's cool. We're

1153
01:15:34,479 --> 01:15:36,479
the only place that new ideas are coming. And all

1154
01:15:36,479 --> 01:15:38,119
you have to do is just convince white guys to

1155
01:15:38,159 --> 01:15:43,560
not pay taxes. Once the government implodes, Oh, the military

1156
01:15:43,600 --> 01:15:45,520
is going to come get you in the woods. Like really,

1157
01:15:45,560 --> 01:15:50,119
they work for free. Oh, the bureaucracy will crush you.

1158
01:15:50,359 --> 01:15:53,560
Do these motherfuckers work for free? Like I'm not suggesting

1159
01:15:53,560 --> 01:15:58,760
that's something that we do, but it's There's every single

1160
01:15:58,920 --> 01:16:05,319
piece of technology, every single startup had, every single thing

1161
01:16:05,359 --> 01:16:11,199
that is ever invented, has started out with all of

1162
01:16:11,239 --> 01:16:18,119
the smart people telling one guy that this particular thing

1163
01:16:18,199 --> 01:16:22,920
is impossible, and if it wasn't like that, nobody would

1164
01:16:22,920 --> 01:16:28,199
make any fucking money, right, Like doing the contrarian trade

1165
01:16:28,319 --> 01:16:33,279
is the only way that you make money, Like, we

1166
01:16:33,359 --> 01:16:36,239
forget this, but doing the thing that everyone tells you

1167
01:16:36,279 --> 01:16:38,920
that you can't do is why it is profitable to

1168
01:16:38,960 --> 01:16:44,239
do it, because nobody else is already doing it. And

1169
01:16:44,279 --> 01:16:48,000
we need to think orthogonally, like just there's so many

1170
01:16:48,039 --> 01:16:52,159
things myths, institution like, we could improvise a way around

1171
01:16:52,159 --> 01:16:57,920
it if we just think entirely laterally just and we don't. Sorry,

1172
01:16:58,000 --> 01:16:59,159
that was a bit of a ramp my bed.

1173
01:17:00,760 --> 01:17:02,359
Speaker 5: Well, it's a great metaphor.

1174
01:17:02,840 --> 01:17:08,520
Speaker 6: You know, as we were discussing over text and messages,

1175
01:17:09,840 --> 01:17:12,359
you know, there's a lot of things in the business

1176
01:17:12,359 --> 01:17:18,239
world that applies to exactly what we're talking about. Some don't,

1177
01:17:19,600 --> 01:17:22,359
but you get the same kind of misapprehensions, and you

1178
01:17:22,399 --> 01:17:28,319
get the same kind of fixed thinking that Something I

1179
01:17:28,399 --> 01:17:31,960
learned early on was that nothing fails like success. Like

1180
01:17:32,399 --> 01:17:35,720
a guy who had something that worked out well in

1181
01:17:35,760 --> 01:17:40,600
the past, you know, can think he's incredibly successful and

1182
01:17:40,680 --> 01:17:44,760
therefore he knows what he's doing and just basically tries

1183
01:17:44,800 --> 01:17:47,039
to do the same thing again and it doesn't work.

1184
01:17:47,199 --> 01:17:47,399
Speaker 1: Right.

1185
01:17:47,880 --> 01:17:51,159
Speaker 5: I'm sure you've seen that plenty, Stormy, and it's.

1186
01:17:51,079 --> 01:17:56,399
Speaker 6: Because they have this, They have this belief that the

1187
01:17:56,479 --> 01:18:00,720
combination of factors that they think what where at play?

1188
01:18:02,239 --> 01:18:07,600
Are still at play, only it just doesn't work. Sometimes

1189
01:18:07,640 --> 01:18:10,560
it can be personalities right, Like you can have the

1190
01:18:10,600 --> 01:18:14,600
best ideas ever, and if the mix of personalities is

1191
01:18:14,640 --> 01:18:17,079
wrong for what you're trying to do, it just doesn't work.

1192
01:18:17,560 --> 01:18:20,880
Like something z Man would always talk about is you

1193
01:18:20,920 --> 01:18:23,880
get the people right and you can make things work.

1194
01:18:26,319 --> 01:18:33,319
I think that one of the problems with where we're

1195
01:18:33,359 --> 01:18:36,720
at is that there's people who self identify as like

1196
01:18:36,880 --> 01:18:44,840
fringe people, you know, and they want to influence the

1197
01:18:44,880 --> 01:18:47,880
greater society, and.

1198
01:18:48,520 --> 01:18:49,520
Speaker 5: They're very.

1199
01:18:50,760 --> 01:18:56,720
Speaker 6: Their very self conception as a fringe person is probably

1200
01:18:56,760 --> 01:19:04,159
even more negatively influential then the reality that they're probably

1201
01:19:04,199 --> 01:19:07,800
not that fringe. They're probably just a fairly regular person.

1202
01:19:10,880 --> 01:19:14,760
But also how they present themselves to other people's incredibly important.

1203
01:19:15,479 --> 01:19:16,600
Speaker 5: And there's this.

1204
01:19:19,319 --> 01:19:21,760
Speaker 6: Every once in a while you find out that there

1205
01:19:21,880 --> 01:19:25,960
are these ideas in our spheres that have been around

1206
01:19:26,000 --> 01:19:28,840
for a long time, and you figure out that they

1207
01:19:28,880 --> 01:19:36,000
were a subversive, you know, misdirection tool. Like there's one

1208
01:19:36,039 --> 01:19:39,199
called own the insult, which is that if someone calls

1209
01:19:39,239 --> 01:19:41,960
you a Nazi, you say, yes, I'm a Nazi, and

1210
01:19:42,000 --> 01:19:45,319
then you identify as a Nazi and dress up as

1211
01:19:45,319 --> 01:19:49,159
a Nazi. And in reality, the way that you neutralize

1212
01:19:49,399 --> 01:19:52,520
that insult is you say, I don't care what you

1213
01:19:52,560 --> 01:19:55,720
call me, right, I don't care.

1214
01:19:57,399 --> 01:19:59,720
Speaker 3: You're you're the person with the issue.

1215
01:20:00,039 --> 01:20:03,119
Speaker 6: Don't care, because that's really what you're trying to do

1216
01:20:03,199 --> 01:20:07,039
is neutralize them. You're not trying to let them direct

1217
01:20:07,199 --> 01:20:12,760
your expression in whatever you're doing. Right at a certain point,

1218
01:20:12,840 --> 01:20:17,199
will that matter? Maybe not, But you know, your prime

1219
01:20:17,279 --> 01:20:24,840
directive shouldn't be to, you know, revitalize a certain you

1220
01:20:24,880 --> 01:20:27,079
know image. What you do is you say, these are

1221
01:20:27,800 --> 01:20:30,600
the bad people, and here's where we want to go,

1222
01:20:30,800 --> 01:20:33,680
and people will figure it out along the way and

1223
01:20:33,800 --> 01:20:36,079
arrive at the same conclusions while you go in the

1224
01:20:36,439 --> 01:20:40,920
direction that you want to direct things that there's there's

1225
01:20:40,960 --> 01:20:48,600
a lot of really strange thinking and strange beliefs that

1226
01:20:48,600 --> 01:20:52,600
that are in this thing that are really hard to

1227
01:20:52,840 --> 01:20:56,760
just like you can understand how they got here and

1228
01:20:56,760 --> 01:21:00,319
and the path that got them here, but a lot

1229
01:21:00,399 --> 01:21:05,720
of them are frankly misapprehensions. And there's a lot of

1230
01:21:05,760 --> 01:21:10,119
subversion that's been around for a long time that gets amplified.

1231
01:21:11,119 --> 01:21:17,800
Then the number of the number of situations where that

1232
01:21:17,880 --> 01:21:19,800
I can think of and Pete, I know you and

1233
01:21:19,880 --> 01:21:22,319
I have talked about this is like after nine to eleven,

1234
01:21:24,039 --> 01:21:27,760
if you went to these websites that discussed like quote

1235
01:21:27,800 --> 01:21:31,920
unquote conspiracies or anything along those lines, there was all

1236
01:21:31,960 --> 01:21:36,520
this great information that disappeared, that got banned because you

1237
01:21:36,560 --> 01:21:42,079
couldn't talk about Israel or certain people, right, And so.

1238
01:21:42,239 --> 01:21:43,520
Speaker 3: Like the whole.

1239
01:21:44,840 --> 01:21:51,039
Speaker 6: The whole Israeli art student conversation practically disappeared off the

1240
01:21:51,079 --> 01:21:55,079
Internet for a period, you know, in like two thousand

1241
01:21:55,079 --> 01:21:57,119
and two, two thousand and three, two thousand and four,

1242
01:21:57,960 --> 01:22:01,520
right as all these things were wrapping up, and that

1243
01:22:01,600 --> 01:22:04,600
the last moment it had any time in the sun

1244
01:22:05,000 --> 01:22:11,359
where some like major national news programs talking about like

1245
01:22:11,439 --> 01:22:15,079
a Dea investigation, and then it became this anti Semitic

1246
01:22:15,119 --> 01:22:21,800
trope or canard or whatever they call it, and and

1247
01:22:21,880 --> 01:22:26,520
instead you have this loose change shit, you know, this

1248
01:22:26,640 --> 01:22:32,239
fake stuff that was promoted. And we have similar things

1249
01:22:33,079 --> 01:22:39,520
in our spheres quite often, and you know, we repeat

1250
01:22:39,560 --> 01:22:44,279
them without understanding where they necessarily came from. And so

1251
01:22:44,479 --> 01:22:47,039
that's why I'm so supportive of this idea of going

1252
01:22:47,079 --> 01:22:50,319
back to first principles on so many things, and just

1253
01:22:50,479 --> 01:22:54,119
in buckling down and being like, you have to create something.

1254
01:22:53,840 --> 01:22:58,159
Speaker 5: Of value to attract people and to bring them in.

1255
01:22:58,800 --> 01:23:02,800
Speaker 6: And once you have have a thing, and you have

1256
01:23:02,920 --> 01:23:08,359
explanatory power, and it's in person because in person neutralizes

1257
01:23:08,479 --> 01:23:16,600
the misunderstandings that happen in online discussions. That's how it

1258
01:23:16,640 --> 01:23:21,680
becomes robust. And we see that every day. Like we

1259
01:23:21,720 --> 01:23:25,760
get together with people that were like I don't necessarily

1260
01:23:26,079 --> 01:23:28,960
you know, I like the general direction of their content,

1261
01:23:29,000 --> 01:23:31,520
but I don't agree on everything, and it'd be really

1262
01:23:31,520 --> 01:23:33,720
easy to get me to spurg out on them if

1263
01:23:33,760 --> 01:23:37,000
I didn't have self control. And then you meet them

1264
01:23:37,000 --> 01:23:40,079
in person, You're like, I really like this guy. This

1265
01:23:40,159 --> 01:23:41,840
is someone that I can deal with. This is a

1266
01:23:41,840 --> 01:23:42,800
reasonable person.

1267
01:23:45,239 --> 01:23:51,920
Speaker 5: It's just more and more like we're using we're using.

1268
01:23:51,600 --> 01:23:54,479
Speaker 6: This system to connect and to communicate with each other,

1269
01:23:55,399 --> 01:23:57,319
but we can't let that drive.

1270
01:23:58,600 --> 01:24:00,359
Speaker 5: Our orientation.

1271
01:24:02,279 --> 01:24:08,439
Speaker 1: It's egalitarian, which is bad, which is very bad. Right,

1272
01:24:08,479 --> 01:24:10,279
Like there is go ahead.

1273
01:24:10,920 --> 01:24:13,319
Speaker 4: I think what you know Carl is saying, is I

1274
01:24:13,359 --> 01:24:16,439
get you can see this as anybody who came through

1275
01:24:16,520 --> 01:24:25,279
libertarianism has seen. Is that any kind of outside kind

1276
01:24:25,359 --> 01:24:34,439
of movement or kind of idea or kind of anything

1277
01:24:34,479 --> 01:24:40,319
that starts to form and people start to get drawn

1278
01:24:40,439 --> 01:24:44,600
to an idea that's outside of the mainstream. You're drawing

1279
01:24:44,680 --> 01:24:50,119
in people who are outside of the mainstream. And in

1280
01:24:50,199 --> 01:24:53,079
many cases it's not only that they're outside of the

1281
01:24:53,159 --> 01:24:56,000
mainstream and thought, but they're also outside of.

1282
01:24:56,000 --> 01:24:57,199
Speaker 3: The mainstream and action.

1283
01:24:58,479 --> 01:25:03,159
Speaker 4: And that's where you get the You get overrun by spurgs,

1284
01:25:03,640 --> 01:25:07,000
you get overrun by people who, you know, in liberty

1285
01:25:07,159 --> 01:25:10,439
and libertarianism, it's not about property rights for the federal

1286
01:25:10,479 --> 01:25:19,199
reson reserve only. It becomes about legal weed, prostitution, you know,

1287
01:25:19,520 --> 01:25:24,399
all sorts of degeneracy. Well, you get people who any

1288
01:25:24,479 --> 01:25:29,399
kind of you know, any kind of thing that is

1289
01:25:29,439 --> 01:25:32,960
outside of the norm or or bucking against you know,

1290
01:25:33,039 --> 01:25:37,840
the regime, or you know whatever the the load bearing

1291
01:25:37,880 --> 01:25:42,560
myth of the time is you're drawing in. You're going

1292
01:25:42,560 --> 01:25:48,479
to draw in people who are going who want to

1293
01:25:49,239 --> 01:25:56,520
revolts against that not only for intellectual reasons or moral reasons,

1294
01:25:57,000 --> 01:26:02,439
but reasons because they are outside of the mainstream in

1295
01:26:02,479 --> 01:26:07,319
the way they live and in many times, in many cases,

1296
01:26:07,359 --> 01:26:09,600
outside of the mainstream and the way they think. And

1297
01:26:09,680 --> 01:26:13,800
you're also just going to attract people who are naturally edgy,

1298
01:26:14,399 --> 01:26:17,039
and they see you know this, Oh, this is something

1299
01:26:17,039 --> 01:26:22,840
that's edgy, and because it's outside of the mainstream, you know, Oh,

1300
01:26:22,880 --> 01:26:26,319
why are you you know, I mean, I'm just suggesting

1301
01:26:26,319 --> 01:26:30,479
that we kill everybody. Why, you know, I'm suggesting violence.

1302
01:26:30,520 --> 01:26:34,520
Why would you be against that I'm suggesting? You know

1303
01:26:34,640 --> 01:26:38,079
that you you know, you have to attack people who

1304
01:26:38,159 --> 01:26:42,439
aren't You have to go go after people who don't

1305
01:26:42,479 --> 01:26:46,159
think like you, but are natural allies to you, because

1306
01:26:46,199 --> 01:26:49,199
they don't line up with you one hundred percent. You're

1307
01:26:49,279 --> 01:26:52,479
just basically drawing in these ideologues who have who have

1308
01:26:52,560 --> 01:26:56,680
an idea that they know how things are supposed to

1309
01:26:57,239 --> 01:27:01,640
supposed to go, supposed to operate rate, but you know,

1310
01:27:01,680 --> 01:27:04,199
nobody else does. And you know, Darrel said that in

1311
01:27:04,239 --> 01:27:11,760
the episode that uh that that Stormy reference before he said, yeh,

1312
01:27:12,159 --> 01:27:14,600
it always seems like every one of our guys wants

1313
01:27:14,640 --> 01:27:16,439
to be a general and nobody wants to learn how

1314
01:27:16,439 --> 01:27:17,199
to take orders.

1315
01:27:17,800 --> 01:27:20,920
Speaker 5: Yeah exactly, Yeah.

1316
01:27:20,720 --> 01:27:25,720
Speaker 6: And and and it's it's easily subverted, or it's almost

1317
01:27:25,720 --> 01:27:32,119
like de facto subversion subverts itself. Yeah is the best exactly,

1318
01:27:32,279 --> 01:27:35,319
Or they tear each other up in these stupid cul

1319
01:27:35,359 --> 01:27:36,600
de sacs of.

1320
01:27:36,640 --> 01:27:38,239
Speaker 1: It becomes a popularity contest.

1321
01:27:38,399 --> 01:27:39,199
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly.

1322
01:27:40,039 --> 01:27:42,960
Speaker 6: There's also there's also something that z Man used to

1323
01:27:42,960 --> 01:27:48,159
talk about that I had seen it, but the way

1324
01:27:48,199 --> 01:27:54,199
he explained it was just a perfect, uh perfect illustration

1325
01:27:54,319 --> 01:27:54,960
of his point.

1326
01:27:55,119 --> 01:27:56,439
Speaker 2: And in the.

1327
01:27:57,920 --> 01:28:01,920
Speaker 6: In the world of like ten years ago, of these

1328
01:28:02,680 --> 01:28:06,319
you know, the various organizations, some of which are still around,

1329
01:28:06,359 --> 01:28:08,880
many of which are no longer around, or you'll see

1330
01:28:08,880 --> 01:28:16,880
individual personalities. So organizations believed because they were usually like

1331
01:28:18,079 --> 01:28:23,840
down downstream of a generation or two of these you know,

1332
01:28:23,920 --> 01:28:29,000
kind of resistance movement things, that they were dealing with

1333
01:28:29,039 --> 01:28:34,039
a pretty fixed population of participants, and so they would

1334
01:28:34,079 --> 01:28:38,119
compete with each other for members.

1335
01:28:38,239 --> 01:28:39,399
Speaker 5: And then you would also.

1336
01:28:39,159 --> 01:28:42,319
Speaker 6: Get people who are trying to latch onto these things

1337
01:28:42,359 --> 01:28:45,279
to make a living off of it, whether it's just

1338
01:28:45,680 --> 01:28:49,079
to be a parasite or if it's to be like

1339
01:28:49,159 --> 01:28:53,159
basically almost like a cult leader, which is retarded, like

1340
01:28:53,239 --> 01:28:57,800
that's that's not that doesn't do you any good, and

1341
01:28:57,920 --> 01:29:01,720
like being ideologically pure, but being in a stupid dead

1342
01:29:01,800 --> 01:29:06,159
end cult that benefits like one one to ten people

1343
01:29:07,439 --> 01:29:13,640
and not you like that's yeah, no, it's true, because

1344
01:29:13,680 --> 01:29:16,800
it becomes about that person and that's why you have

1345
01:29:16,960 --> 01:29:19,920
I mean you have tons of people who are like,

1346
01:29:20,560 --> 01:29:23,920
you know, I used to consider myself a groiper, and

1347
01:29:23,960 --> 01:29:27,199
now I realize how ridiculous a lot of that stuff is,

1348
01:29:27,239 --> 01:29:30,680
even if he's like right or directionally right at certain

1349
01:29:30,680 --> 01:29:36,880
times about certain things.

1350
01:29:34,359 --> 01:29:35,920
Speaker 1: That we just shut the fuck up about it.

1351
01:29:36,640 --> 01:29:42,000
Speaker 6: Yeah, exactly, Yeah, it's I don't know.

1352
01:29:42,399 --> 01:29:46,119
Speaker 5: I the it's what I will say is from.

1353
01:29:46,159 --> 01:29:52,520
Speaker 6: My involvement in you know, local orgs, and the more local,

1354
01:29:52,560 --> 01:29:56,239
the better that you know, the less distance you have

1355
01:29:56,359 --> 01:29:58,399
to drive to hang out with these guys, the more

1356
01:29:58,439 --> 01:30:00,680
you'll hang out with them, the or that you'll be

1357
01:30:00,680 --> 01:30:04,560
able to actually do things that are that are productive

1358
01:30:04,600 --> 01:30:06,439
instead of them just being hangs.

1359
01:30:07,239 --> 01:30:07,680
Speaker 3: Uh.

1360
01:30:08,239 --> 01:30:14,079
Speaker 6: You know, it's it's so nice and just ignoring ignoring

1361
01:30:14,119 --> 01:30:19,760
the Internet drama, ignoring the news cycle because we get

1362
01:30:19,800 --> 01:30:23,279
we end up even though we like have explanatory powerful

1363
01:30:23,359 --> 01:30:28,239
things and we're basically all like, you know, it's time

1364
01:30:28,279 --> 01:30:31,800
to move beyond the way things are, we still end

1365
01:30:31,880 --> 01:30:34,239
up slaves to the news cycle.

1366
01:30:34,319 --> 01:30:34,960
Speaker 5: Quite often.

1367
01:30:36,000 --> 01:30:38,880
Speaker 6: It really sucks because when you when you've gotten away

1368
01:30:38,920 --> 01:30:41,800
from it, I mean, I would imagine that all three

1369
01:30:41,880 --> 01:30:45,239
of us and most of the people listening have gone

1370
01:30:45,239 --> 01:30:49,520
through this process where you know, you're plugged, plugged into it,

1371
01:30:49,840 --> 01:30:52,560
and then you realize how toxic it is and how

1372
01:30:52,640 --> 01:30:55,159
wrong it is, and you start trying to diverse, diver

1373
01:30:55,479 --> 01:30:57,399
excuse me, divorce yourself from it.

1374
01:30:57,720 --> 01:31:01,479
Speaker 5: And then you end up online and the you know.

1375
01:31:01,920 --> 01:31:06,760
Speaker 6: People with cool ideas and stuff that that are opening

1376
01:31:06,840 --> 01:31:10,800
up this different world of information to you. You know,

1377
01:31:11,640 --> 01:31:14,439
they do really great things, and then whenever there's a

1378
01:31:14,439 --> 01:31:17,119
big flare up, they end up being tied into the

1379
01:31:17,239 --> 01:31:20,159
news cycle and you get right back to it and

1380
01:31:20,239 --> 01:31:23,800
it's like, is it okay, So your your worldview now

1381
01:31:23,880 --> 01:31:29,560
has explanatory power, But what is the actual value in

1382
01:31:29,640 --> 01:31:35,720
staying plugged into the timeline like that? It's usually of

1383
01:31:35,960 --> 01:31:38,800
significant negative value.

1384
01:31:39,520 --> 01:31:42,119
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, also like it's just a way of like

1385
01:31:43,000 --> 01:31:48,039
they don't there there's no one to set the goals,

1386
01:31:48,439 --> 01:31:52,880
right because if I look at like what my goals

1387
01:31:52,920 --> 01:32:01,319
are politically, there is very little to do, like about

1388
01:32:02,680 --> 01:32:04,319
what's happening in Iran.

1389
01:32:04,640 --> 01:32:11,000
Speaker 5: Frankly in a round about that, yeah.

1390
01:32:10,439 --> 01:32:14,920
Speaker 1: Because basically nobody can see past what exists. Right, So

1391
01:32:15,000 --> 01:32:25,399
there would have been a shoehorning back into Republican politics,

1392
01:32:26,119 --> 01:32:30,840
right or Trump the guy type political energy or sorry,

1393
01:32:31,279 --> 01:32:35,560
Trump the Guy and that organization siphoning off political energy

1394
01:32:35,560 --> 01:32:41,800
that they didn't create. And this broke that. It broke

1395
01:32:41,880 --> 01:32:45,279
that for like the average American, which is the person

1396
01:32:45,319 --> 01:32:49,800
I care about, right, And that was something I never

1397
01:32:49,800 --> 01:32:57,399
could have done. America has become an outwardly hostile place

1398
01:32:57,479 --> 01:33:01,520
to not just Zionism, to jewelry in a very small

1399
01:33:01,520 --> 01:33:03,399
amount of time. I don't know what everybody, when you

1400
01:33:03,439 --> 01:33:09,560
guys are picking up in your personal lives, like just

1401
01:33:09,640 --> 01:33:15,239
that alone for the Maga guy, right, the beer you

1402
01:33:15,279 --> 01:33:25,159
know after work guy two, not just you know, recognize

1403
01:33:25,199 --> 01:33:30,039
because once you recognize them as not your friends, you

1404
01:33:30,079 --> 01:33:35,760
can't unrecognize them. And we didn't do that. Fucking they

1405
01:33:35,760 --> 01:33:42,399
did it to themselves exactly like what I mean. The

1406
01:33:42,479 --> 01:33:47,560
last thing that you need to get people to do real,

1407
01:33:48,359 --> 01:33:53,000
real things is hardship, and I think that's also what

1408
01:33:53,079 --> 01:33:57,560
this is going to provide. So, yes, it's kind of

1409
01:33:57,560 --> 01:34:00,159
a dark way or you know of looking at it,

1410
01:34:00,239 --> 01:34:05,680
but this moved the political needle in our direction more

1411
01:34:05,720 --> 01:34:13,039
than any other thing in our life. It made people

1412
01:34:13,119 --> 01:34:18,600
have to choose because staying, you know, believing in the current,

1413
01:34:18,880 --> 01:34:21,680
you know, the existing order, the existing way of doing

1414
01:34:21,720 --> 01:34:28,960
things like that will persist until it is not allowed

1415
01:34:29,000 --> 01:34:34,159
to persist any further. Right, Like it should be plain

1416
01:34:34,239 --> 01:34:38,439
to everyone now that you can't have Jews, like you

1417
01:34:38,560 --> 01:34:43,279
cannot be anything other than an anti Semitic organization, because

1418
01:34:44,359 --> 01:34:48,520
if you allow them in even a small amount, or

1419
01:34:48,560 --> 01:34:52,439
even if they're based within ten minutes, they're the ones

1420
01:34:52,479 --> 01:34:55,840
in charge because you have to treat them the same

1421
01:34:55,880 --> 01:34:58,119
as you, and they are not going to treat you

1422
01:34:58,520 --> 01:35:08,079
the same as them. Like nobody signing up for the military,

1423
01:35:09,079 --> 01:35:13,640
nobody is engaging in GOP politics like this is great.

1424
01:35:15,039 --> 01:35:18,720
What sucks is going to be the economic hardship, But

1425
01:35:19,279 --> 01:35:22,840
it's also I think there's no way that we dissuade

1426
01:35:22,840 --> 01:35:31,880
ourselves of this without without the bill of these, without

1427
01:35:31,880 --> 01:35:35,039
this coming do I don't know what your thoughts are, Pete,

1428
01:35:35,359 --> 01:35:39,199
but I kind of view this as necessary and everything

1429
01:35:39,199 --> 01:35:41,039
that we should be focusing on should have nothing to

1430
01:35:41,079 --> 01:35:46,279
do with the headlines outside of how this moves the

1431
01:35:46,319 --> 01:35:50,399
needle either closer in our favor or further away from us.

1432
01:35:50,960 --> 01:35:54,439
If it's closer in our favor, how do we monopolize this,

1433
01:35:55,079 --> 01:35:56,880
How do we pick this up and run with it?

1434
01:35:57,720 --> 01:36:00,960
These are the things because our world view is predictive

1435
01:36:01,079 --> 01:36:05,560
because we see what's coming. Okay, the war in Iran

1436
01:36:05,640 --> 01:36:11,079
is happening. It happened, right, we see what's coming, which

1437
01:36:11,119 --> 01:36:14,399
is after that? Why should we be spending any time

1438
01:36:14,479 --> 01:36:15,840
on what is happening now?

1439
01:36:18,640 --> 01:36:20,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, that makes a lot of sense, you know, unless

1440
01:36:20,600 --> 01:36:24,000
you're asked directly to make a comment about what's happening.

1441
01:36:24,039 --> 01:36:24,319
Speaker 3: Now.

1442
01:36:25,439 --> 01:36:30,319
Speaker 4: Yeah, you should be building. Yeah, I said also in

1443
01:36:30,359 --> 01:36:33,920
that episode that you referenced, we should be building. Everybody

1444
01:36:33,960 --> 01:36:37,760
should be building an arc. You should be building an

1445
01:36:37,800 --> 01:36:40,800
arc with other people. But you know, once the once

1446
01:36:40,880 --> 01:36:44,079
the water goes away and you land on dry ground

1447
01:36:44,119 --> 01:36:47,319
in forty days.

1448
01:36:46,560 --> 01:36:47,640
Speaker 3: What next?

1449
01:36:48,359 --> 01:36:50,319
Speaker 4: And that's really the only that's really the only thing

1450
01:36:50,359 --> 01:36:55,159
that you should be concentrating on as far as looking

1451
01:36:55,199 --> 01:36:59,920
at what's happening. Obviously, this Iran, this Iran thing is

1452
01:37:00,239 --> 01:37:04,279
horrible from a from a from a truly moral standpoint,

1453
01:37:04,520 --> 01:37:07,720
And I'm not trying I'm not doing some fake leftist

1454
01:37:07,760 --> 01:37:10,439
morality kind of thing. I'm talking about from a truly

1455
01:37:10,520 --> 01:37:13,840
moral standpoint. Yeah, this is this is evil, and it's

1456
01:37:13,840 --> 01:37:20,319
being done for no good purpose. To to step aside

1457
01:37:20,319 --> 01:37:23,399
from morality for a moment. It's very easy to see

1458
01:37:23,439 --> 01:37:29,119
it's also destroying our enemy. And while your enemy is

1459
01:37:29,159 --> 01:37:39,479
being destroyed, you know, you don't I'm sorry, you don't interrupt, Yeah,

1460
01:37:39,520 --> 01:37:44,479
you don't interrupt. You also you don't share it on.

1461
01:37:46,119 --> 01:37:48,920
You certainly don't sheer it on. But you recognize it

1462
01:37:48,920 --> 01:37:51,319
for what it is. You recognize that it's an opportunity

1463
01:37:51,399 --> 01:37:56,319
and that times are changing right now. The future is

1464
01:37:56,399 --> 01:37:59,079
going to be different, just as the future was going

1465
01:37:59,079 --> 01:38:02,399
to be different after that in crisis, after COVID, after

1466
01:38:02,439 --> 01:38:09,760
October seventh, after Charlie Kirk got shot, after this, after this,

1467
01:38:09,760 --> 01:38:15,800
this attack, this this insanity. It looks like your enemy

1468
01:38:16,439 --> 01:38:21,560
is being weakened. Don't be distracted. People are going to say, well, no,

1469
01:38:21,640 --> 01:38:22,560
they're not our enemy.

1470
01:38:22,600 --> 01:38:26,600
Speaker 3: Islam is our enemy. Well, I mean, I don't know

1471
01:38:26,600 --> 01:38:28,119
how many how many.

1472
01:38:28,000 --> 01:38:31,520
Speaker 4: Muslims are working at the Federal Reserve, I mean, Muslims

1473
01:38:31,640 --> 01:38:33,760
run the Federal Reserve. How many Muslims are running the

1474
01:38:33,760 --> 01:38:38,439
porn industry? You know how many? Come on, give us

1475
01:38:38,439 --> 01:38:40,840
a fucking break here. The only reason we've had any

1476
01:38:40,840 --> 01:38:43,359
problems with Muslims in the last hundred years is because

1477
01:38:43,520 --> 01:38:47,079
of Israel. Yeah, because they brought them here. Yeah, and

1478
01:38:47,159 --> 01:38:51,039
Jewish supremacy. You know, that's why you know. I mean, oh, well,

1479
01:38:51,039 --> 01:38:57,600
look at Europe, same thing, same understand that that was

1480
01:38:57,960 --> 01:39:02,560
you will have. There is on video people in the

1481
01:39:02,600 --> 01:39:07,800
Israeli government going, yeah, we had to punish Europe. We

1482
01:39:07,840 --> 01:39:11,000
had to punish Europe. We had to punish Sweden because

1483
01:39:11,039 --> 01:39:13,359
they think they're so much more moral than we are.

1484
01:39:14,159 --> 01:39:17,720
So now look at Malmo. They take credit for it,

1485
01:39:18,720 --> 01:39:22,640
they say they did it. They're your enemy. They're the

1486
01:39:22,760 --> 01:39:25,920
enemy of the West, and all the West is is Christendom.

1487
01:39:27,079 --> 01:39:32,840
They're the enemy. Don't get sidetracked. Watch your enemy die,

1488
01:39:33,720 --> 01:39:37,560
and plan for and plan for what comes next. There

1489
01:39:37,600 --> 01:39:40,279
are people around you. There are people you know, there

1490
01:39:40,279 --> 01:39:42,600
are people you love, There are people you share values

1491
01:39:42,640 --> 01:39:45,840
with who are going to be damaged by this. You

1492
01:39:45,920 --> 01:39:51,479
may be damaged by this monetarily. Whatever you have to be.

1493
01:39:51,720 --> 01:39:54,119
You have to be looking forward. You have to be

1494
01:39:54,159 --> 01:40:00,520
forward looking when it comes to this and nothing. Yeah,

1495
01:39:59,840 --> 01:40:05,880
the don't let people. Don't let people distract you. Don't

1496
01:40:05,920 --> 01:40:08,279
let people say, oh, well, you're not maga, you're you're

1497
01:40:08,319 --> 01:40:11,000
a leftist because you're not supporting Trump. Don't listen to

1498
01:40:11,039 --> 01:40:14,640
these people. They have nothing. They live their life on Twitter.

1499
01:40:14,960 --> 01:40:18,159
That's pathetic enough. They live their life on social media.

1500
01:40:18,199 --> 01:40:21,720
That's pathetic enough. They live their life writing articles. That's

1501
01:40:21,760 --> 01:40:28,159
pathetic enough. Go build something. If I wasn't doing things,

1502
01:40:29,359 --> 01:40:32,640
if I wasn't doing things in real life, and not

1503
01:40:32,800 --> 01:40:36,680
only with the podcast and everything I do as far

1504
01:40:36,720 --> 01:40:41,560
as media goes, you know, I couldn't. I don't really

1505
01:40:41,560 --> 01:40:44,720
have a place to I'd be criticizing myself.

1506
01:40:45,079 --> 01:40:47,319
Speaker 3: But I am. I'm doing stuff away.

1507
01:40:48,359 --> 01:40:55,039
Speaker 4: It's why you It's why. It's why being off of

1508
01:40:55,199 --> 01:40:57,960
Twitter like I have for the last thirty two thirty

1509
01:40:57,960 --> 01:41:04,600
three days has been a blessing. The podcast has actually grown,

1510
01:41:04,800 --> 01:41:09,840
subscriptions have grown, and I've been able to go out

1511
01:41:09,920 --> 01:41:13,159
and meet people and travel and do all sorts of

1512
01:41:13,199 --> 01:41:17,479
things and you know, get face to face with people,

1513
01:41:18,800 --> 01:41:22,239
and you know, I think because what we're doing in

1514
01:41:22,279 --> 01:41:27,640
real life is so important and is helping enough, helping

1515
01:41:27,720 --> 01:41:28,399
so many people.

1516
01:41:28,800 --> 01:41:32,920
Speaker 3: You just see how the lies you know, you've.

1517
01:41:32,039 --> 01:41:35,399
Speaker 4: Seen lies it's told about You know what I do

1518
01:41:35,479 --> 01:41:40,319
and what people I'm aligned with do, So don't worry

1519
01:41:40,359 --> 01:41:45,680
about them. They're literally on Twitter because they don't have

1520
01:41:45,760 --> 01:41:48,880
a real job, and they're living off of their engagement.

1521
01:41:49,479 --> 01:41:51,439
They're living off of the money they make off of

1522
01:41:51,479 --> 01:41:55,840
engagement farming. They're not serious. People stop listening to them,

1523
01:41:56,399 --> 01:41:59,680
get off of social media and go fucking do something

1524
01:41:59,680 --> 01:42:04,039
with your friends.

1525
01:42:04,640 --> 01:42:12,159
Speaker 6: Yeah, man, And there's nobody being paid, you know, to

1526
01:42:12,279 --> 01:42:14,279
post good things that are helpful.

1527
01:42:16,720 --> 01:42:18,800
Speaker 5: That it's it's all subversion, like.

1528
01:42:18,800 --> 01:42:23,239
Speaker 6: People people who get paid to do opinion pieces who

1529
01:42:23,359 --> 01:42:25,880
seem like they should be are friends.

1530
01:42:26,439 --> 01:42:26,640
Speaker 1: You know.

1531
01:42:26,680 --> 01:42:31,720
Speaker 6: There there's there's exceptions, but ultimately the goal is when

1532
01:42:31,720 --> 01:42:35,640
the time comes, they have to lean into something that's

1533
01:42:35,760 --> 01:42:41,039
bad for us. That that's really your your expectation, what

1534
01:42:41,079 --> 01:42:44,640
your expectation would be when we have no when we

1535
01:42:44,720 --> 01:42:48,479
have no friends at that level, when when it's totally captured.

1536
01:42:50,119 --> 01:42:55,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean what's on your timeline? Is it positive things? Nope,

1537
01:42:57,600 --> 01:43:05,800
it's a type of paralysis. Yeah, right, because nobody it's this.

1538
01:43:06,159 --> 01:43:12,119
It's this type of it. I hate to bring it

1539
01:43:12,159 --> 01:43:17,880
back to like the engineer mindset, but like without a

1540
01:43:18,000 --> 01:43:25,680
way to point that type of mind towards a task, right,

1541
01:43:25,720 --> 01:43:33,800
it's a building something, it really becomes extremely destructive, right,

1542
01:43:33,880 --> 01:43:43,880
Like they're they sense that they're you know, under threat personally,

1543
01:43:44,600 --> 01:43:51,560
you know, nationally, so they're going to hyper fixate. And

1544
01:43:51,640 --> 01:43:56,439
the problem with Twitter, for instance is that it's a

1545
01:43:56,520 --> 01:44:00,199
it's like a thought machine, right, So you're basically reading

1546
01:44:00,279 --> 01:44:05,279
other people's thoughts. So if you are reading other people's thoughts,

1547
01:44:05,359 --> 01:44:11,840
you're not really thinking your own. You have no time

1548
01:44:14,640 --> 01:44:19,000
to come up with new ideas because your brain is

1549
01:44:19,159 --> 01:44:25,800
constantly bombarded with the thoughts of others. It basically like,

1550
01:44:26,119 --> 01:44:29,720
I mean, there's been a million times where I've been

1551
01:44:29,720 --> 01:44:33,439
on a train of thought and then looked at like

1552
01:44:33,600 --> 01:44:37,560
that was productive, scroll through my timeline for like five minutes,

1553
01:44:37,960 --> 01:44:40,880
and now I'm doing something completely different, and now I'm

1554
01:44:40,920 --> 01:44:47,119
worried about something completely different, and it's basically hijacked a

1555
01:44:47,159 --> 01:44:50,560
train of thought that at that particular moment was extremely

1556
01:44:50,680 --> 01:44:55,479
useful and it's gone now because somebody has now told

1557
01:44:55,520 --> 01:44:59,359
me what I should be focusing on. We're using social

1558
01:44:59,399 --> 01:45:06,640
media wrong. It's my point, like, this should be a idea.

1559
01:45:08,159 --> 01:45:14,279
And I don't mean like idea, like ideological idea, but

1560
01:45:14,439 --> 01:45:20,720
like an idea in the sense of like, Carl, have

1561
01:45:20,800 --> 01:45:26,079
you ever used Slack? Yes, we should treat social media

1562
01:45:26,159 --> 01:45:26,640
like Slack.

1563
01:45:27,119 --> 01:45:28,039
Speaker 3: That's a great idea.

1564
01:45:28,560 --> 01:45:36,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, right, we could be using social media for a

1565
01:45:36,960 --> 01:45:43,600
whole bunch of people that, like your talent is distributed broadly. Unfortunately,

1566
01:45:44,159 --> 01:45:47,000
like the people in your local community, the local meetups

1567
01:45:47,479 --> 01:45:50,439
are good for your personal safety, your family safety, your

1568
01:45:50,479 --> 01:45:56,319
personal security, et cetera. But the guys, like if you are,

1569
01:45:56,479 --> 01:46:01,479
let's say, a brilliant software engineer your immediate local group,

1570
01:46:03,960 --> 01:46:09,680
they may not be brilliant software engineers. So if we

1571
01:46:09,760 --> 01:46:16,079
need a piece of you know, a program to do

1572
01:46:16,119 --> 01:46:17,960
a specific thing. This is why AI is going to

1573
01:46:17,960 --> 01:46:21,600
be such a huge thing for us, right, Or a

1574
01:46:21,600 --> 01:46:25,439
hardware engineer, if you're a hardware engineer and nobody in

1575
01:46:25,600 --> 01:46:29,119
your immediate circle or your immediate in person group is,

1576
01:46:31,039 --> 01:46:33,079
but there are tons of other guys online that you

1577
01:46:33,159 --> 01:46:36,319
haven't meant that are that are part of a thing

1578
01:46:36,399 --> 01:46:38,439
that you know have been around for a long period

1579
01:46:38,479 --> 01:46:46,199
of time. We basically have a tool where everyone that

1580
01:46:46,239 --> 01:46:52,399
thinks like us is generally in the same place, and

1581
01:46:52,479 --> 01:46:54,520
we are not using it to build things in a

1582
01:46:54,560 --> 01:47:00,840
decentralized fashion. It's very very silly. We use rypto entirely

1583
01:47:00,880 --> 01:47:07,840
wrong too, right, this is a way. So I was

1584
01:47:08,600 --> 01:47:14,880
an early investor into a couple of really interesting layer

1585
01:47:14,920 --> 01:47:22,600
one protocols. So like early early days, and I mean

1586
01:47:22,680 --> 01:47:28,720
there is tools, bits of software that are available for

1587
01:47:28,760 --> 01:47:35,560
free that will effectively do the job. I mean, who

1588
01:47:35,600 --> 01:47:44,279
here remembers the Ico days, right, initial token launches. Yeah, yeah,

1589
01:47:44,720 --> 01:47:50,279
the platforms that facilitated those token launches, those are just

1590
01:47:50,319 --> 01:47:54,479
free to grab now, right, so anyone can do something

1591
01:47:54,520 --> 01:47:59,520
like that. I watched startups raise one hundred, one hundred

1592
01:47:59,520 --> 01:48:03,640
and fifty million dollars in a day because everybody that

1593
01:48:03,760 --> 01:48:12,920
wanted that particular thing to exist chipped in and they

1594
01:48:12,960 --> 01:48:20,680
got a tiny piece of what would be later on revenue. Right, Like,

1595
01:48:20,720 --> 01:48:26,479
if you were an early investor into the ethereum ico,

1596
01:48:26,880 --> 01:48:29,760
you're probably doing pretty well right now. You didn't have

1597
01:48:29,800 --> 01:48:34,760
to do anything else. Now, there is hundreds of thousands

1598
01:48:34,800 --> 01:48:37,640
of very useful programs that are written on that chain,

1599
01:48:41,000 --> 01:48:45,560
right It you know, went on to do relatively great things,

1600
01:48:46,119 --> 01:48:51,479
and the person that chipped in got a ability to

1601
01:48:51,560 --> 01:48:56,760
receive the gains of those things, and strictly from like

1602
01:48:56,800 --> 01:49:02,399
a non return on investment. You know. Benefit to me

1603
01:49:02,680 --> 01:49:07,640
is why I'm doing this type of mentality that could

1604
01:49:07,640 --> 01:49:13,640
be equally used for altruistic purposes. Right, we have the

1605
01:49:13,640 --> 01:49:17,119
ability of not only to send money uninterrupted by the

1606
01:49:17,159 --> 01:49:23,960
government or by Jews, really by anyone, right, uncancellable anonymous

1607
01:49:26,119 --> 01:49:30,319
to anyone in the world. Right, we have the ability

1608
01:49:30,319 --> 01:49:34,199
to raise funds in a decentralized fashion. Right, nobody has

1609
01:49:34,239 --> 01:49:37,119
to worry about like, oh is gibsend go gonna not

1610
01:49:37,239 --> 01:49:43,079
allow this? Right, look what we did when a fucking

1611
01:49:43,520 --> 01:49:47,079
when a thirty year old white woman in the middle

1612
01:49:47,319 --> 01:49:55,199
in the Midwest said the word nigger, Like, we are

1613
01:49:55,199 --> 01:49:58,640
not using things to the like. So when I see

1614
01:49:58,680 --> 01:50:04,000
these things, I don't know how to code. I don't

1615
01:50:04,079 --> 01:50:09,960
know anything, like I'm computer retarded in a lot of ways.

1616
01:50:11,720 --> 01:50:17,159
And the only reason, like I was able to successfully

1617
01:50:18,239 --> 01:50:21,319
build a company was because I surrounded like the people

1618
01:50:21,319 --> 01:50:24,920
that were my partners from the very beginning all didn't

1619
01:50:24,920 --> 01:50:27,600
know how to do those things. And really the only

1620
01:50:27,720 --> 01:50:30,600
value proposition I was able to add from the beginning

1621
01:50:30,720 --> 01:50:33,319
and then much less later on down the road, you know,

1622
01:50:33,399 --> 01:50:35,920
once funding was raised and all that fun stuff was

1623
01:50:36,119 --> 01:50:38,039
being able to look at something that everyone had looked

1624
01:50:38,079 --> 01:50:45,840
at for a million years, and I saw something completely different. Right,

1625
01:50:45,960 --> 01:50:49,199
they thought that they saw. Everyone thought that they saw like,

1626
01:50:50,399 --> 01:50:54,079
you know, a screwdriver. But I was like, well, it

1627
01:50:54,199 --> 01:50:57,840
also makes a really really useful bottle opener, and it

1628
01:50:57,880 --> 01:51:01,560
also makes a really useful you know other things, right,

1629
01:51:01,680 --> 01:51:05,680
taking something that other people see as one thing and

1630
01:51:05,760 --> 01:51:09,600
seeing what else it can be. And I look around

1631
01:51:09,640 --> 01:51:14,239
it just the shit that exists now and political problems

1632
01:51:14,279 --> 01:51:17,039
that we have in the real world, and I just

1633
01:51:17,119 --> 01:51:25,439
don't understand it. Right, Like, there's decentralized autonomous organizations that

1634
01:51:25,520 --> 01:51:30,279
you can basically automate entire structures of a complex corporation

1635
01:51:31,560 --> 01:51:36,319
and basically make each and every person in that corporation.

1636
01:51:36,399 --> 01:51:40,399
They can fucking assign tasks. People can say I would

1637
01:51:40,479 --> 01:51:43,840
like to do said tasks. All right, well I would

1638
01:51:43,880 --> 01:51:46,039
like to do these three tasks out of the four

1639
01:51:46,119 --> 01:51:49,439
that need to be done. Okay, Well when these four

1640
01:51:49,840 --> 01:51:53,159
three tasks are done, we're going to disperse x amount

1641
01:51:53,159 --> 01:51:56,039
of funds and then we're going to find the fourth

1642
01:51:56,079 --> 01:51:59,319
person that can do this. Right, Like, literally, you can

1643
01:51:59,399 --> 01:52:08,960
run and entire organization anonymously. It can pay out people anonymously,

1644
01:52:10,520 --> 01:52:14,680
It can assign tasks, like literally, every person involved in

1645
01:52:14,720 --> 01:52:19,279
the organization can come and voice, basically stack rank what

1646
01:52:19,399 --> 01:52:22,319
needs to be done next, who's going to do those things,

1647
01:52:23,000 --> 01:52:25,960
in what order they're going to be done, how they're

1648
01:52:25,960 --> 01:52:30,840
going to be paid out to do those things, all anonymously,

1649
01:52:31,000 --> 01:52:36,880
Like that shit already exists, right, like, what what's her name? Uh?

1650
01:52:37,079 --> 01:52:39,479
You and you and I were just talking about her

1651
01:52:39,560 --> 01:52:47,079
right before the show started. Oh, Emily usus, Emily, Emily Unice. Yes,

1652
01:52:48,279 --> 01:52:55,560
she just grabbed a piece of you know, Sora and

1653
01:52:55,760 --> 01:53:00,760
put out something that has cultural significance that I think

1654
01:53:00,880 --> 01:53:05,039
last I checked, millions of people have watched and continue

1655
01:53:05,119 --> 01:53:09,640
to watch episode after episode. She doesn't have a tea like,

1656
01:53:12,720 --> 01:53:16,800
we are not using the tools at our disposal correctly.

1657
01:53:22,760 --> 01:53:24,199
Speaker 5: So powerful that.

1658
01:53:25,880 --> 01:53:34,239
Speaker 6: Jonathan Greenblatt got together with the Haun Show and made

1659
01:53:34,239 --> 01:53:37,079
sure that SOA would get phased out because of the

1660
01:53:38,119 --> 01:53:41,920
power that it was putting in the hands of white supremists.

1661
01:53:43,640 --> 01:53:47,159
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, you can just grab those models and run

1662
01:53:47,199 --> 01:53:50,840
them locally exactly and let your friends use them. Oh

1663
01:53:50,920 --> 01:53:55,680
and also there's a nifty program called Heretic that you

1664
01:53:56,000 --> 01:54:00,960
can grab also for free off the interwebs and use

1665
01:54:01,000 --> 01:54:07,199
it to remove all of the censorship modeling in whatever

1666
01:54:07,239 --> 01:54:10,640
AI you choose to download, So you will actually have

1667
01:54:11,399 --> 01:54:15,279
Mecha Hitler instead of GROC. You will have tay back

1668
01:54:16,800 --> 01:54:20,640
all of this shit exists and whatever problems that things

1669
01:54:20,640 --> 01:54:27,600
don't exist for maybe instead of all of our autistic

1670
01:54:27,680 --> 01:54:31,319
engineer types fighting with each other about five percent difference

1671
01:54:31,439 --> 01:54:35,439
in doctrine or five percent difference in the strategy to

1672
01:54:35,479 --> 01:54:39,000
bring about the political ideology that they agree with one

1673
01:54:39,039 --> 01:54:43,840
another about already. Maybe they could direct some of that

1674
01:54:43,880 --> 01:54:47,720
autism to building the things to solve the problems that

1675
01:54:47,760 --> 01:54:50,640
we don't have solutions for yet, because those are going

1676
01:54:50,720 --> 01:54:57,359
to happen too, Like we are misallocating a tremendous amount

1677
01:54:57,359 --> 01:55:03,199
of human capital and disregarding tremendous amount of leverage that

1678
01:55:03,319 --> 01:55:07,600
just exists. The crown in the crown is already in

1679
01:55:07,640 --> 01:55:10,359
the gutter. We're just not picking it up, so to speak.

1680
01:55:12,920 --> 01:55:16,439
Speaker 4: Well, the I mean, before you can pick up think

1681
01:55:16,479 --> 01:55:19,640
about picking up any crown that has anything to do

1682
01:55:19,680 --> 01:55:21,800
with anybody else. You have to pick up your own crown,

1683
01:55:22,319 --> 01:55:27,239
your own personal Yeah, you have to take care of

1684
01:55:27,279 --> 01:55:30,239
yourself first. There are a lot of people, you know,

1685
01:55:30,279 --> 01:55:33,479
and these are again, these are the people who are

1686
01:55:33,520 --> 01:55:38,439
hyper online, who are completely convinced that they know exactly

1687
01:55:38,479 --> 01:55:40,199
how to fix the world, but they don't have their

1688
01:55:40,199 --> 01:55:46,279
own life fixed. Okay, why, I mean, why would I?

1689
01:55:46,319 --> 01:55:50,600
Why am I supposed to listen to you? Have you

1690
01:55:50,640 --> 01:55:52,159
ever bought and sold the house?

1691
01:55:53,239 --> 01:55:54,840
Speaker 3: You know? Have you ever been married? Have you ever

1692
01:55:54,880 --> 01:55:57,560
had your heart broken? You ever been punched in the mouth?

1693
01:55:59,000 --> 01:56:01,119
You know? Here was your in a sports car?

1694
01:56:01,880 --> 01:56:02,199
Speaker 1: Yes?

1695
01:56:02,279 --> 01:56:02,600
Speaker 3: All right?

1696
01:56:02,920 --> 01:56:08,479
Speaker 4: There are some things that you know, sound materialistic, but

1697
01:56:08,640 --> 01:56:12,800
they're not materialistic. They're basically a part of being an adult.

1698
01:56:13,800 --> 01:56:18,359
Speaker 1: Yep. This is the problem with egalitarianism. You know, whose

1699
01:56:18,399 --> 01:56:25,520
opinion should not be relevant on sports cars? It's a

1700
01:56:25,520 --> 01:56:29,760
guy that's never owned one, you know, whose opinion about

1701
01:56:29,920 --> 01:56:36,840
women shouldn't be tolerated. Somebody that doesn't is not unable

1702
01:56:36,880 --> 01:56:38,800
to hold down a girlfriend, little in a wife?

1703
01:56:40,119 --> 01:56:40,319
Speaker 3: Right?

1704
01:56:40,359 --> 01:56:44,760
Speaker 1: You know whose opinion about how like? I mean, how

1705
01:56:44,800 --> 01:56:49,079
many people do we have that are like urbanite LARPers

1706
01:56:49,399 --> 01:56:51,640
that are you know, telling you like you do that

1707
01:56:51,920 --> 01:56:54,399
you just need to homestead and you need to just

1708
01:56:54,479 --> 01:56:56,960
be entirely self sufficient like you live in a condo.

1709
01:57:00,399 --> 01:57:04,000
You shut your fucking mouth. And this is the problem

1710
01:57:04,079 --> 01:57:09,840
with the egalitarianism and in the discourse. Some people's opinions

1711
01:57:09,920 --> 01:57:14,079
just don't matter about many many things, and we have

1712
01:57:14,199 --> 01:57:16,479
no way of sorting it out. Also the fact that

1713
01:57:16,520 --> 01:57:20,359
there isn't really any adversity these people facing their real lives.

1714
01:57:20,439 --> 01:57:26,600
Yet there's no evolutionary forcing function right, like nationally like

1715
01:57:26,680 --> 01:57:29,520
in National Socialist Germany again for or in pre national

1716
01:57:29,520 --> 01:57:34,199
Socialist Germany, you had both the war and then you

1717
01:57:34,279 --> 01:57:36,239
had the street war that came after.

1718
01:57:36,039 --> 01:57:42,760
Speaker 4: That, like you had excellent the detailed environment, the detail

1719
01:57:42,800 --> 01:57:46,199
of that on the detail of that on Darryl's latest

1720
01:57:46,239 --> 01:57:52,680
episode is chilling, Yeah, the Street Wars and he's still

1721
01:57:52,680 --> 01:57:57,279
got another episode togo with with, you know, with with

1722
01:57:57,319 --> 01:58:00,199
what the wars in Germany had to you know how

1723
01:58:00,199 --> 01:58:03,279
these guys came home, came home from World War One

1724
01:58:03,319 --> 01:58:06,199
and basically went to war, right back to war.

1725
01:58:07,920 --> 01:58:13,039
Speaker 1: But I told you who the leaders were like, we

1726
01:58:13,079 --> 01:58:17,760
don't have that, which sucks. And the other thing that

1727
01:58:17,800 --> 01:58:24,000
sucks is that the Kaiser isn't just going to abdicate

1728
01:58:24,039 --> 01:58:31,239
one day, right, so where it forces everyone to deal

1729
01:58:31,279 --> 01:58:33,560
with the fact that going back to the way things

1730
01:58:33,560 --> 01:58:36,399
were it isn't possible, Like the thing that is always

1731
01:58:36,399 --> 01:58:40,399
supposed to exist doesn't exist anymore. That problem was solved

1732
01:58:40,840 --> 01:58:44,479
for Germany, well we have it's a different thing where

1733
01:58:45,000 --> 01:58:48,800
the state structures as they are now are losing legitimacy

1734
01:58:48,880 --> 01:58:53,640
over time, rapidly losing legitimacy. But really it's the guys

1735
01:58:53,680 --> 01:58:56,640
that see things first, that are already trying to look

1736
01:58:56,680 --> 01:59:02,479
past it. If the federal government imploded tomorrow all of

1737
01:59:02,520 --> 01:59:05,640
a sudden, everyone would be much more amiable to let's

1738
01:59:05,760 --> 01:59:09,600
do something different. So we're going to have to operate

1739
01:59:09,600 --> 01:59:15,479
an environment where slowly people are coming online to the

1740
01:59:15,479 --> 01:59:18,720
fact that what exists can no longer exist, rather than

1741
01:59:18,760 --> 01:59:26,319
all at once, we should really use this to our benefit, right,

1742
01:59:26,359 --> 01:59:31,520
Like luckily the fact that it's only people of our

1743
01:59:31,600 --> 01:59:35,880
persuasion that are seeing these problems. Leftoids are too busy

1744
01:59:35,960 --> 01:59:39,960
trying to recapture the same institutions with a fucking dead

1745
01:59:40,000 --> 01:59:42,840
cultural language that nobody gives a shit about anymore. Like,

1746
01:59:42,920 --> 01:59:50,000
let them keep doing that while we do something else.

1747
01:59:52,319 --> 01:59:55,159
The problem that we don't one of the main problems

1748
01:59:55,159 --> 01:59:57,439
we don't have is I mean, like, yeah, we talked

1749
01:59:57,439 --> 02:00:01,159
about vision earlier, but like vision is like spiritual thing.

1750
02:00:01,520 --> 02:00:03,720
I don't like the word ethos, but it is a

1751
02:00:03,840 --> 02:00:08,880
very simple, Uh, Carl, what you said it? What you

1752
02:00:08,920 --> 02:00:12,319
call it? Like the I don't know if you meant

1753
02:00:12,319 --> 02:00:18,800
to say it, but the prime directive what we lack

1754
02:00:18,920 --> 02:00:20,000
is the prime directive?

1755
02:00:21,520 --> 02:00:21,800
Speaker 3: All right.

1756
02:00:21,840 --> 02:00:26,000
Speaker 1: Everyone's vision of the future, the perfect right deid future,

1757
02:00:26,399 --> 02:00:34,760
is unfortunately different that needs to stop everyone, and whoever

1758
02:00:34,840 --> 02:00:38,079
does this wins the prize. But whoever can come up

1759
02:00:38,159 --> 02:00:42,319
with like what the future looks like, should look like,

1760
02:00:42,800 --> 02:00:48,319
is going to look like and believes it with every

1761
02:00:48,399 --> 02:00:52,359
fiber of their being enough to inspire confidence in others

1762
02:00:52,800 --> 02:00:57,359
to transmit that information that transmits, Carl, you and I

1763
02:00:57,399 --> 02:01:05,079
were talking about this, that transmits in a in a

1764
02:01:05,119 --> 02:01:09,560
fashion that it's not spoken, it's felt right, Like you

1765
02:01:09,600 --> 02:01:12,199
can tell when someone is telling the truth or not.

1766
02:01:14,159 --> 02:01:14,319
Speaker 3: Right.

1767
02:01:14,399 --> 02:01:17,640
Speaker 1: You can feel when someone is lying to you or

1768
02:01:17,720 --> 02:01:23,119
hyping you up. But when somebody really believes something as true,

1769
02:01:23,479 --> 02:01:31,359
it makes you believe it too, right, and you get

1770
02:01:31,399 --> 02:01:37,800
the feeling that they get. Because whatever is going to

1771
02:01:38,119 --> 02:01:41,279
come after this is going to exist in a way

1772
02:01:41,479 --> 02:01:44,920
where it means different things to different people. And that's

1773
02:01:44,960 --> 02:01:52,359
because it has to right. Like the future vision whatever

1774
02:01:53,520 --> 02:01:57,119
right the zeit like the spirit of what comes next,

1775
02:01:57,880 --> 02:02:00,000
that is going to mean something different to the veteran,

1776
02:02:00,079 --> 02:02:07,520
and then it's going to mean to you know, the

1777
02:02:07,640 --> 02:02:12,840
right wing wives, Like different parts of this thing matter

1778
02:02:14,359 --> 02:02:18,399
differently to each and every person, but they all need

1779
02:02:18,600 --> 02:02:24,079
to paddle in the same direction knowing that each other

1780
02:02:26,399 --> 02:02:32,760
is paddling. That's the only way it works for a

1781
02:02:32,760 --> 02:02:36,239
startup analogy, the head of product like the guy doing

1782
02:02:36,319 --> 02:02:38,760
the back end, the guy doing the front end, the

1783
02:02:38,880 --> 02:02:43,159
uiux work right, the guy in marketing. Everybody has an

1784
02:02:43,199 --> 02:02:48,760
idea of what this product is that they are bringing

1785
02:02:48,760 --> 02:02:51,119
to market, what this looks like, what it's going to do,

1786
02:02:51,840 --> 02:02:57,399
what how it's going to change people's lives. But each

1787
02:02:57,479 --> 02:03:02,439
part of that thing matters differently to every single person

1788
02:03:02,479 --> 02:03:07,079
in that team because it matters differently in their area

1789
02:03:07,319 --> 02:03:12,119
of focus, right that they are focusing on this tiny

1790
02:03:12,159 --> 02:03:16,199
piece of this larger thing. So it has to be

1791
02:03:16,279 --> 02:03:22,439
a It has to be a broad It doesn't have

1792
02:03:22,479 --> 02:03:26,319
to be vague, but it has to be something that

1793
02:03:27,159 --> 02:03:30,520
every person that looks like us can get on board

1794
02:03:30,520 --> 02:03:38,720
with for varying reasons. This is also, I think, why

1795
02:03:38,760 --> 02:03:41,920
you don't everyone thinks like, oh, well, we just need

1796
02:03:41,960 --> 02:03:46,920
a right wing billionaire to come in and fund everything.

1797
02:03:49,239 --> 02:03:53,720
You can't sell that guy, right. So the reason I

1798
02:03:53,760 --> 02:03:56,960
was talking to Dark Enlightenment about this yesterday, the reason

1799
02:03:57,000 --> 02:04:01,640
that right wing billionaires don't throw a bunch of money

1800
02:04:01,640 --> 02:04:05,560
at right wing politics is for the the exact same

1801
02:04:05,600 --> 02:04:08,119
reason that left wing billionaires throw a lot of money

1802
02:04:08,800 --> 02:04:16,520
at left wing politics, because these guys are being pitched

1803
02:04:17,800 --> 02:04:21,279
hope of gain and not fear of loss. Right, like

1804
02:04:21,319 --> 02:04:25,199
the left wing, the left wing donors are getting something

1805
02:04:25,239 --> 02:04:29,199
out of the deal, right, It's aspirational to them. They

1806
02:04:29,279 --> 02:04:35,439
want a certain state to exist. Right, All the left

1807
02:04:35,479 --> 02:04:38,760
wing you know donors are and the mega donors are

1808
02:04:38,880 --> 02:04:42,840
women and Jews, and mostly women Jews. Right, So the

1809
02:04:42,960 --> 02:04:46,000
type of world that they want to exist, that they've

1810
02:04:46,039 --> 02:04:49,960
been told should exist, they are willing to fund that

1811
02:04:50,560 --> 02:04:56,479
to bring that thing about. Right, They got pitched a

1812
02:04:56,640 --> 02:04:59,960
vision of a potential future, and they are funding it.

1813
02:05:03,880 --> 02:05:07,000
How Like the approach for right wing billionaires is what

1814
02:05:08,439 --> 02:05:12,600
if you don't do this, this bad thing will happen. Well,

1815
02:05:12,640 --> 02:05:15,840
nothing bad is going to happen to that billionaire. Right.

1816
02:05:15,880 --> 02:05:24,199
And when people are are given information that is scary, right,

1817
02:05:24,640 --> 02:05:29,159
or fear is the motivating factor. Whenever fear is the

1818
02:05:29,199 --> 02:05:34,800
motivating factor, people act hyper individualistically. Right. You can see

1819
02:05:34,800 --> 02:05:38,359
this amongst so many you know right wingers and even

1820
02:05:38,359 --> 02:05:43,600
like boomer right wingers whatever. When they because there is

1821
02:05:43,680 --> 02:05:51,680
no positive view of the future right and only external threat,

1822
02:05:52,479 --> 02:05:56,760
they immediately get very self oriented, very very quickly. Right,

1823
02:05:56,760 --> 02:06:00,000
It's I am going to go fortify myself in the world.

1824
02:06:00,079 --> 02:06:03,039
It's far away from all of this, and that's what

1825
02:06:03,039 --> 02:06:10,199
they care about. It takes hope of gain to make

1826
02:06:10,239 --> 02:06:12,479
people say, all right, everybody, let's get together and let's

1827
02:06:12,479 --> 02:06:20,239
build the thing or fund the thing. Right, It's it's

1828
02:06:21,039 --> 02:06:25,840
the how do I put it, It's the vision of

1829
02:06:25,880 --> 02:06:30,720
a potential positive future, right, a change in whatever it is.

1830
02:06:30,720 --> 02:06:33,920
If you're a billionaire, right, maybe the future that you're

1831
02:06:33,960 --> 02:06:37,399
being pitches you are a double billionaire, and there are

1832
02:06:37,439 --> 02:06:42,720
statues of you everywhere. Whatever, it's a positive future outlook

1833
02:06:42,960 --> 02:06:46,760
for you. You are willing to invest in the thing.

1834
02:06:48,319 --> 02:06:51,359
Same reason why anyone is willing to invest in anything.

1835
02:06:52,159 --> 02:06:54,119
They invest because they think it's that things are going

1836
02:06:54,159 --> 02:06:57,800
to get better for them. Specifically, they are willing to

1837
02:06:57,880 --> 02:07:02,800
engage in team effort to bring about a better thing

1838
02:07:03,680 --> 02:07:08,800
that benefits them. And this is why right wing billionaires

1839
02:07:09,600 --> 02:07:13,000
don't because the only thing that is being told to

1840
02:07:13,039 --> 02:07:16,239
them is how horrible things will be if they do

1841
02:07:16,279 --> 02:07:20,039
not cough up money. Like, Okay, you're not really pitching

1842
02:07:20,039 --> 02:07:22,880
me to donate to your political thing. You are, you know,

1843
02:07:23,079 --> 02:07:25,600
pitching me to go build a bunker. I don't know

1844
02:07:25,600 --> 02:07:29,239
if that's your intention, But that's what's happening, and that's

1845
02:07:29,239 --> 02:07:33,680
the problem. Right. The same reason that the billionaire isn't

1846
02:07:33,720 --> 02:07:36,479
buying in is the same reason the housewife's not buying

1847
02:07:36,479 --> 02:07:40,479
in is the same reason that really everyone is. There

1848
02:07:40,560 --> 02:07:53,359
is no positive vision for what could exist. I mean,

1849
02:07:55,680 --> 02:07:57,159
a big component of this is going to be a

1850
02:07:57,199 --> 02:07:57,800
spiritual one.

1851
02:07:57,800 --> 02:08:01,880
Speaker 4: But go on, I just say, I don't I don't

1852
02:08:01,920 --> 02:08:03,760
know that I can uh, I can build on that

1853
02:08:07,079 --> 02:08:08,920
same I don't know that I can prove upon that,

1854
02:08:10,840 --> 02:08:12,760
And I'm sort of getting to the point where I.

1855
02:08:12,720 --> 02:08:13,800
Speaker 3: Gotta i gotta bail.

1856
02:08:15,479 --> 02:08:16,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's end it there.

1857
02:08:17,640 --> 02:08:21,279
Speaker 4: Sounds good to me. Man, Always appreciate talking to you,

1858
02:08:21,279 --> 02:08:23,600
a gentleman, until next time.

1859
02:08:24,199 --> 02:08:24,760
Speaker 3: Until next

1860
02:08:28,279 --> 02:08:28,479
Speaker 1: Yeah,