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<v Speaker 1>This is Gary and Shannon and you're listening to k

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<v Speaker 1>if I am six forty the Gary and Shannon Show

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<v Speaker 2>The wrap up to the Democratic National Convention, of course,

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<v Speaker 2>from last night, Kamala Harris gave her a big speech

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<v Speaker 2>and talked about, among other things, what she wants this

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<v Speaker 2>vision for her plan to do. She did a little biography,

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<v Speaker 2>kind of like Governor Tim Walls did the night before,

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<v Speaker 2>explaining who he is, and she went through and explained

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<v Speaker 2>who she was and talked a lot about growing up

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<v Speaker 2>and her mom and I didn't realize. I didn't know

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<v Speaker 2>she had a sister. But her sister spoke as well

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<v Speaker 2>and had some and then her daughter, stepdaughter Ella m

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<v Speaker 2>hoff On, one of Doug's daughters, got up and she

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<v Speaker 2>spoke as well. They referred to her as a model,

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<v Speaker 2>and I didn't know if that. I didn't know she

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<v Speaker 2>was a model. I did not know any I didn't

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<v Speaker 2>know if she was. But this was part of her

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<v Speaker 2>speech from last week. She taught us give me the dick,

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<v Speaker 2>got the computer right there.

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<v Speaker 3>She taught us to never complain about in just but

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<v Speaker 3>do something.

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<v Speaker 4>About it, Do.

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<v Speaker 5>Something about it. That was my mother and she taught us,

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<v Speaker 5>and she always she also.

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<v Speaker 3>Taught us, and she also taught us, and never do

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<v Speaker 3>anything half asked, And that is a direct.

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<v Speaker 2>Quote comless Mama had a bad mouth. So the reaction

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<v Speaker 2>to her speech from last night generally positive. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>everybody in the convention hall, they seem to like it. Obviously,

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<v Speaker 2>that's their person, that's their candidate. And in terms of

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<v Speaker 2>what goes on now, we had seventy four days left

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<v Speaker 2>before November fifth, and as I read from that piece

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<v Speaker 2>in the New York Times, this is gonna be this

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<v Speaker 2>is gonna be a tough battle. Last night, former President

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<v Speaker 2>Trump was live tweeting, live truthing, I suppose the and

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<v Speaker 2>I think it was forty forty five posts over the

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<v Speaker 2>course of the forty minute speech, so about once a minute.

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<v Speaker 2>And obviously it was all caps, and obviously he was

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<v Speaker 2>getting into you know, there was no surprises. How's that

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't deep in fact checking, but there was no surprises.

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<v Speaker 2>Speaking of fact checking, I saw this headline in the

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<v Speaker 2>Washington Post today that I thought was kind of funny.

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<v Speaker 2>It was just an example of how people kind of

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<v Speaker 2>move the furniture out of the way for the people

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<v Speaker 2>that they like it says Kamala uh some things. Oh,

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<v Speaker 2>it was five moments in the Harris speech that got

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<v Speaker 2>our attention something like that. It was actually a whole

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<v Speaker 2>fact check article about it, and they were five points

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<v Speaker 2>that they said that she either exaggerated or completely mistated

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<v Speaker 2>when it was coming to policies about Donald Trump or whatever.

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<v Speaker 4>But it wasn't. It wasn't.

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<v Speaker 2>We fact checked her speech and we found five lies.

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<v Speaker 2>It was here's five things that gathered our attention a

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<v Speaker 2>little bit.

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<v Speaker 6>Once you get into the article, though, does it kind

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<v Speaker 6>of hit her pretty hard? Oh?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, it explains. It explains that some of the things

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<v Speaker 2>that she was saying were flat out wrong about what

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<v Speaker 2>policies had been announced by the Trump campaign. And some

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<v Speaker 2>of them it was like, we gave the Waltz Harris

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<v Speaker 2>Waltz campaign three pinocchios about this already, but they keep

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<v Speaker 2>repeating it. So things like that, we are standing by

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<v Speaker 2>for this update out of Phoenix. We understand that Robert F.

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<v Speaker 2>Kennedy Junior is expected to end his independent presidential campaign.

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<v Speaker 2>They do have the podium all set up, They've got

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<v Speaker 2>the American flags as backdrops. The room is filling up

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<v Speaker 2>with reporters and stuff, so we'll keep an eye on that.

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<v Speaker 2>Former President Trump, after the speech went on Fox, he

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<v Speaker 2>called into Fox to last it to say he hated it.

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<v Speaker 2>It wasn't good because he needed to get his moment

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<v Speaker 2>after she had such a big moment. And it was

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<v Speaker 2>a funny thing that Fox actually kinda they hurried him off. Uh,

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<v Speaker 2>And I'll play for you this SoundBite where it sounds

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<v Speaker 2>like he's about to launch into a whole new topic

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<v Speaker 2>and Martha McCallum and Brett Bear on the set know

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<v Speaker 2>that the clock is ticking, their window is closing, so

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<v Speaker 2>they end up just saying, well, we gotta go.

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<v Speaker 7>They made it that you have to get sixty seventy

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<v Speaker 7>percent of the vote just to get in, and you

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<v Speaker 7>know present in the end, the Democrats did the same

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<v Speaker 7>thing to Joe Biden. They threw Joe Biden out of

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<v Speaker 7>the party.

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<v Speaker 8>Thanks much.

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<v Speaker 4>We appreciate that feedback, say right.

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<v Speaker 8>Their live edition of Gutfeld is coming up. Thank you

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<v Speaker 8>so much for joining us from Chicago. It's been a

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<v Speaker 8>great week now. They they got rid of them because

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<v Speaker 8>their other show was starting. Guttfeld happens to be I

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<v Speaker 8>think probably one of the higher rated shows on the network,

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<v Speaker 8>So that's one of the reasons they wanted to start

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<v Speaker 8>it on time. So then he turns around and dials

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<v Speaker 8>up Newsmax, pretty conservative news outlet, and goes.

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<v Speaker 7>On with that coming in from Asia, they're coming in

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<v Speaker 7>from the Middle East places, so rough, rough places, and

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<v Speaker 7>they're coming into our country and what they're doing is

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<v Speaker 7>just and it's just like today, the fraud that they're

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<v Speaker 7>committed eight hundred and eighteen thousand jobs. They defrauded the public.

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<v Speaker 7>They thought it was going to hang out until after

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<v Speaker 7>the election.

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<v Speaker 2>One of the other questions that came up was specifically,

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<v Speaker 2>and again this was a last night interview, so he

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<v Speaker 2>refers to a former president, refers to today as tomorrow.

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<v Speaker 2>But he was asked about RFK Junior and this potential

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<v Speaker 2>for RFK Junior to endorse Trump after he drops out

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<v Speaker 2>of the race.

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<v Speaker 7>I know he's got a news conference. We happen to

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<v Speaker 7>be in the same state, Arizona, will be in the

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<v Speaker 7>same state, but in quite different parts of the state.

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<v Speaker 7>But as possible, we will be meeting tomorrow and we'll

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<v Speaker 7>be discussing it.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, so we'll see.

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<v Speaker 2>One of the things that did happen was Kennedy withdrew

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<v Speaker 2>from the ballot in Arizona late yesterday, the day before,

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<v Speaker 2>he and Trump were set to appear a part of

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<v Speaker 2>Miles Part in the Phoenix area. Kennedy is scheduled to speak.

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<v Speaker 2>Like I said about eleven minutes ago, we're standing by.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll take that live. They said, they're going to talk

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<v Speaker 2>about the present historical moment and the path forward. According

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<v Speaker 2>to his campaign and as Trump referred to there, he

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<v Speaker 2>is planning a rally in Glendale, Arizona, not too far away.

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<v Speaker 2>Yesterday he was campaigning in the southern part of Arizona,

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<v Speaker 2>down along the border. It said that they're at that

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<v Speaker 2>time said no plans had been made for Kennedy to

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<v Speaker 2>appear with him, but said that they would be in

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<v Speaker 2>the same state at the same time. So we'll continue

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<v Speaker 2>to monitor this. Again, waiting for Kennedy to speak at

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<v Speaker 2>this news conference. The podium is there, the room is

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<v Speaker 4>We know what he's going to say.

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<v Speaker 1>So we got a chance at the DNC to talk

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<v Speaker 1>with CNN commentator David Urbin about the implications of RFK

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<v Speaker 1>Junior dropping out.

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<v Speaker 6>I'm welcome, but I think it's important, I followed RFK

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<v Speaker 6>on Aaron Burnett show one night. So I sat there

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<v Speaker 6>and listened to him for thirty five minutes before I

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<v Speaker 6>had met him in the airport one time, I bumped

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<v Speaker 6>into him and said hello. But I really got to

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<v Speaker 6>listen to him talk. And look, I know he said

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<v Speaker 6>a lot of crazy things.

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<v Speaker 4>In the past.

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<v Speaker 6>He's got to go and you can find quotes that

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<v Speaker 6>are kind of out there about different things and so,

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<v Speaker 6>but when I listened to him talk about a childhood

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<v Speaker 6>obesity and how much money we spent in America battling

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<v Speaker 6>diabetes and obese. We spend more money on diabetes than defense.

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<v Speaker 6>You know, fifty six percent of Americans can't put their

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<v Speaker 6>hands on a thousand bucks. So when that check engine

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<v Speaker 6>light comes onto your car, for you and I may

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<v Speaker 6>not be a big deal, but for fifty six percent

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<v Speaker 6>of Americans, it's a crisis in your family. I mean,

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<v Speaker 6>he said a lot of things that I listened to

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<v Speaker 6>him and said, Wow, pretty insightful. Really really connects with

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<v Speaker 6>a lot of people. So I am hopeful that we

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<v Speaker 6>get at Bobby Kennedy on the team in the campaign,

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<v Speaker 6>not the guy who's dubbing a dead baron in Central Park.

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<v Speaker 6>But we get the other guy, right that is AT's like,

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<v Speaker 6>I don't know, but you know, I don't know if

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<v Speaker 6>we get many voters that way. But he's a thoughtful,

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<v Speaker 6>intelligent person who's got a big following, and I'm hoping

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<v Speaker 6>we can convince some of those folks to come to

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<v Speaker 6>our side and vote for Donald Trump. And listen, in

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<v Speaker 6>a state like Pennsylvania, it's going to be won by

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<v Speaker 6>tens of thousands of voters, right, It's really important. It's

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<v Speaker 6>really important that we get those folks and we we

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<v Speaker 6>bring him in and we lock hands and we hopefully

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<v Speaker 6>kind of move forward together.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh do you have you been looking at any of

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<v Speaker 2>the polls? I mean, is there is there a way

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<v Speaker 2>to gauge what kind of an impact kennedy endorsement would

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<v Speaker 2>have on Trump?

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<v Speaker 4>I don't know. I would have to think.

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<v Speaker 6>You know, the Democrats office is going to downplay it.

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<v Speaker 6>They'd been spending millions, tens of millions of dollars to

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<v Speaker 6>keep Bobby Kennedy off ballots and lots of places, so

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<v Speaker 6>they obviously think that he's a concern in a lot

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<v Speaker 6>of ways that if his name shows up on about

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<v Speaker 6>that's bad for them. So if it's bad for them,

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<v Speaker 6>you know, just by uh, by by logic you would.

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<v Speaker 6>I think it's good for Republicans.

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<v Speaker 4>So I don't know a number.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, that bad for them because there would be voters

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<v Speaker 1>that would normally vote for Harris that would vote for Kennedy.

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<v Speaker 1>So it takes away from that absolutely. So I mean

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<v Speaker 1>if if you remove if you remove that, then they're

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<v Speaker 6>I don't know, well, I mean hopefully they don't stay home, right.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, I don't think hopefully don't make questions.

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<v Speaker 6>I hopefully we can convince them to come vote for us,

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<v Speaker 6>And so that's part of the challenge is convince them

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<v Speaker 6>to join our team. And I'm hopeful, you know, we'll

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<v Speaker 6>kind of listen to President Trump and uh and see

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<v Speaker 6>some things that might be appealing to them, and hopefully

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<v Speaker 6>they'll join up politically.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you think Governor Tim Wallas did a good job

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<v Speaker 2>last night in terms of introducing himself to people who

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<v Speaker 2>wouldn't necessarily know him.

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<v Speaker 6>Look, I think the moment with his son, if you're

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<v Speaker 6>you know, you're, if you're a human being, you can't

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<v Speaker 6>you can't help be touched by that, right, It's a

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<v Speaker 6>sweet moment.

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<v Speaker 4>Right.

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<v Speaker 6>I still think that he's I think he's like a

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<v Speaker 6>mean spirited Jim Gaffigan love it right, like so hot pockets, right,

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<v Speaker 6>but you can see.

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<v Speaker 4>Him like that guy eats hot pockets.

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<v Speaker 2>He's pocket right, but he's.

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<v Speaker 4>You think he's like that.

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<v Speaker 6>He's like this nice Jim Gaffigan esque figure. But then

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<v Speaker 6>he seems like he's got this nasty he's like there's

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<v Speaker 4>I don't like that, don't you know.

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<v Speaker 6>So we'll see the whole like football team up there

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<v Speaker 6>the ticket, he's supposed to speak to. You know, I

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<v Speaker 6>view everything again through the lens of Pennsylvania. My it's

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<v Speaker 4>But you know, Carba wants to describe.

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<v Speaker 6>Pennsylvania is Alabama in between Philadelphia and Pittsburgh. Right, So

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<v Speaker 6>again I see a lot and this convention, this building

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<v Speaker 6>for the Philly folks, right, a lot of African American women,

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<v Speaker 6>Alabama part, right, not a lot of guys in bass

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<v Speaker 6>He will be helpful in some of the Midwest states,

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<v Speaker 4>It's gonna have a hard time.

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<v Speaker 1>We talked about the implications of RFK Junior dropping out

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<v Speaker 1>with David Urban, and one of our great interviews this

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<v Speaker 2>If I do say so much, if I don't think.

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<v Speaker 1>So myself has been with Congressman Dean Phillips, one of

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<v Speaker 4>Off the ticket, a lot of bit of concern.

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<v Speaker 9>The nice thing is I've been invited back to the

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<v Speaker 9>popular Kids table in the cafeteria. It's kind of a

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<v Speaker 9>nice you know. I actually was not even planning to

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<v Speaker 9>come to the convention. Last minute decided I would, and

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<v Speaker 9>I'm so glad I did because it restored my faith

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<v Speaker 9>in a lot of people that had been disappointing to me,

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<v Speaker 9>High fives, hugs and handshakes, and just a reminder that

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<v Speaker 9>when you walk through the rain, you might find the rainbow,

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<v Speaker 9>and I seem to have done so, and a joyous

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I was going to add that was going to

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<v Speaker 2>be my first question, is in your opinion, is the

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<v Speaker 2>party unified right now?

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<v Speaker 4>It sure seems like it.

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<v Speaker 9>You know, I'm much more accustomed as our listeners to

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<v Speaker 9>a party that seems to be in disarray. More often,

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<v Speaker 9>there seems to be a little bit of a pendulum

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<v Speaker 9>shift where we are consolidating. I think the way that

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<v Speaker 9>Kamala Harris consolidated democratic support so rapidly is a hallmark

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<v Speaker 9>of leadership. I was surprised by it. I think some

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<v Speaker 9>colleagues were as well. And yes, I'd argued for change

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<v Speaker 9>and it was a lonely argument. We have a conventional

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<v Speaker 9>wisdom that says you never take on an incumbent, and

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<v Speaker 9>I said, even if the incumbent's going to lose a

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<v Speaker 9>historically important election, and people are so reluctant to challenge

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<v Speaker 9>that orthodoxy the fear of losing their political careers. I

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<v Speaker 9>was one of the few that I think was in

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<v Speaker 9>a position to do so I have, but that's fine,

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<v Speaker 9>it was worth it.

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<v Speaker 1>I was a big fan of yours because of that,

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<v Speaker 1>because it seems like there is this colorination or there's

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<v Speaker 1>this you know, this this pathway to the you know

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<v Speaker 1>and just ask you know, Bernie Sanders about it, and

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<v Speaker 1>it just seems like there have been candidates have been

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<v Speaker 1>sandbagged by their own party and the own party rules,

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<v Speaker 1>and I just hate that as a voter, I want

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<v Speaker 1>to be able to have a say. I don't want

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<v Speaker 1>the machine to pick the candidate. And so when you

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<v Speaker 1>came out and said that, it was refreshing, and I

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<v Speaker 1>think it started a lot of conversations. Have you gotten

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<v Speaker 4>I have gotten a lot of them.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 9>I didn't do this to attract sori's or apologies, but

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<v Speaker 9>I have, and from people that actually surprised me proactively

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<v Speaker 9>coming up to do so. I don't need to name names,

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<v Speaker 9>but that wasn't the mission. I was trying to be

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<v Speaker 9>Paul Revere more than a George Washington, if you will.

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<v Speaker 9>But I got to reflect on what you just said.

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<v Speaker 9>That's my frustration that we have two political parties private

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<v Speaker 9>corporations that are much better at suppressing competition when it's

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<v Speaker 9>helpful than they are promoting it. And that's because we

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<v Speaker 9>still are affording a handful of Americans on the right

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<v Speaker 9>and the left with I think a little bit too

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<v Speaker 9>much power. And these conventions used to be where the

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<v Speaker 9>candidate was selected. We didn't used to have primaries. This

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<v Speaker 9>is where the work was done. That's why they called

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<v Speaker 9>it in the smoke filled room. So my argument is,

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<v Speaker 9>either we entrust voters to really make this decision, and

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<v Speaker 9>if so, you got to get.

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<v Speaker 4>Out and vote.

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<v Speaker 9>When only you let when you let the far left

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<v Speaker 9>and far right choose the candidates, why in the world

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<v Speaker 9>would we think we have people of moderation and centrism

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<v Speaker 9>and maybe and capacity in November. Too often we don't.

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<v Speaker 9>So I'm glad you refer to that, because that is

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<v Speaker 9>the ultimate mission. Joe Biden happened to be the man.

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<v Speaker 9>This happened to be the season, but this is something bigger,

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<v Speaker 9>and I intend to dedicate time in the future too

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<v Speaker 9>inspiring more competition because absent it, you know, that's the

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<v Speaker 9>vitamin of democracy.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, Well, I tied Kamala Harris in terms of the

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<v Speaker 2>number of delegates that received in the primaries. You at

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<v Speaker 2>least got four delegates during the primaries. There that's I

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<v Speaker 2>think that still should be part of the conversation, which

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<v Speaker 2>is she did not get the approval of the Democratic

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<v Speaker 2>voters to be in the position that she's in now.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not saying that she shouldn't or she doesn't deserve it,

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<v Speaker 2>but it is a very different process that takes place

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<v Speaker 9>And you're right, and I feel the same way. But

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<v Speaker 9>if you recall when I actually when this occurred, when

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<v Speaker 9>the president announced he wouldn't be running again, I immediately

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<v Speaker 9>called for a series of four town halls, even if

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<v Speaker 9>only in three weeks. My point was, let each region

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<v Speaker 9>of the country host Democratic delegates who had already been selected,

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<v Speaker 9>but entertain some other candidates, including the vice president. That

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<v Speaker 9>didn't happen, But I agree with you generally speaking, we

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<v Speaker 9>should have competitions. It wasn't in the best interest of

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<v Speaker 9>the party. I do think what has transpired is actually

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<v Speaker 9>probably a good thing for Democrats. But in the future

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<v Speaker 9>that's what we need to do. And I should also

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<v Speaker 9>reflect on the fact that this compressed timeline one hundred

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<v Speaker 9>days or so, it kind of feels right, these two

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<v Speaker 9>year cycles of NonStop campaigning. Let me tell you, as

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<v Speaker 9>someone who's kind of had to do it, it's not helping

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<v Speaker 9>this country and most countries figure out how to do

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<v Speaker 9>it in really short windows. And there's something kind of

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<v Speaker 9>refreshing about that. So I think maybe things that have

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<v Speaker 9>happened recently, if we employ them in the future, could

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<v Speaker 9>be really beneficial.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you think it is just a conservative slash Republican

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<v Speaker 1>call for her to sit down for an interview or

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<v Speaker 1>do you think that voters deserve to hear her in

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<v Speaker 1>her own words, not on a teleprompter, off the cuff,

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<v Speaker 1>about what she believes.

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<v Speaker 9>There's no question voters are entitled to and she will

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<v Speaker 9>have to answer to them in unscripted moments, and that

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<v Speaker 9>will come. And I understand that if I were a Republican,

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<v Speaker 9>I'd be calling for the same thing. And I understand

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<v Speaker 9>with that said, I think, you know, this is the

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<v Speaker 9>coming out party, and I think that this honeymoon phase,

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<v Speaker 9>which has been quite remarkable, I'm sure for her and

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<v Speaker 9>Tim Walls, you know, we'll probably dissipate, and then she

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<v Speaker 9>will have to issue her platforms and our reconcile policy,

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<v Speaker 9>and to your point, start subjecting herself to interviews. And

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<v Speaker 9>you know, I know from experience there are times where

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<v Speaker 9>it may not be politically advantageous to engage in debate

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<v Speaker 9>or to consent to interviews, But that doesn't matter. You know,

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<v Speaker 9>this is a democracy that begs for you two and

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<v Speaker 9>so many others here who make their you know, their

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<v Speaker 9>lives help in democracy, and every single candidate should consent

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<v Speaker 9>to it. And I'm really troubled by the fact that

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<v Speaker 9>even on the debate stage now it's being managed by

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<v Speaker 9>the campaigns themselves. That should be independent and it should

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<v Speaker 9>not be up to the candidates to decide how American

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<v Speaker 9>voters assess them. It should be up to American voters

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<v Speaker 9>to tell the candidates how we do.

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<v Speaker 2>So, how does a voice like hears get heard in

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<v Speaker 2>that mechanism that is a party. I mean, you talk

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<v Speaker 2>about it and refer to it as a corporation. That

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<v Speaker 2>is not what we think about when we think about parties.

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<v Speaker 2>We think about those dark, you know, smoke filled rooms

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<v Speaker 2>and things like that, where everybody's voice is heard. That's

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<v Speaker 2>not the way it works industry.

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<v Speaker 1>There was like a great Freakonomics podcast about this and

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<v Speaker 1>about how we have no say and you're right, and.

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<v Speaker 9>Think of me as I was a middle manager and

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<v Speaker 9>a large corporation that challenged the CEO, and like private

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<v Speaker 9>corporations do, they don't take kindly to that. And because

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<v Speaker 9>theyre private, they can do whatever they want with that

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<v Speaker 9>middle manager. But the middle manager can also you know, cry,

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<v Speaker 9>you know, call bs and go to the press, and

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<v Speaker 9>that there's a little bit of a tuggle war.

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<v Speaker 4>But that is you still have provided to the company.

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<v Speaker 9>Picnic, Well, look to your point, I think I came

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<v Speaker 9>in second place here on the Deele Country. I would't

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<v Speaker 9>know that, right, you know, it's not like I got

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<v Speaker 9>an invitation to speak. But that's not you know, that

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<v Speaker 9>wasn't the objective. And I'm not going to play by

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<v Speaker 9>the rules as they exist because I think it's broken.

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<v Speaker 9>I think we need to focus on how we change

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<v Speaker 9>them to have more dissent, not less. You know, whether

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<v Speaker 9>it's protesters, whether it's people in the party that have

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<v Speaker 9>different perspectives. You know, we're not represent neither parties representing

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<v Speaker 4>Right now, let's just get to the point.

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<v Speaker 9>Yeah, that's why I think fifty one percent of Americans

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<v Speaker 9>are now declared independence. As an entrepreneur, I've never seen

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<v Speaker 9>right now in the political industry, which is now dominated

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<v Speaker 9>by a duopoly. So there's a there there. And to

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<v Speaker 9>answer your question, no, it's not easy to get platform.

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<v Speaker 9>MSNBC did not invite me on one time from October

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<v Speaker 9>when I declared my candidacy to this very day. The

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<v Speaker 9>only time I had an MSNBC interview was the day

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<v Speaker 9>after the South Carolina primary, which was Joe Biden's massive victory.

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<v Speaker 9>So you get a sense of how this environment works,

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<v Speaker 9>how the relationships work, and most importantly, how perverse the

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<v Speaker 9>incentives are, including the right and left media.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, it's a real conversation about how the media protected

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<v Speaker 1>a president who had no chance of serving another four

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<v Speaker 1>and a half years. It's just you know, your eyes

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<v Speaker 1>tell you. We all watch that debate. It's common sense.

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<v Speaker 1>We know what we saw, the fact that they were

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<v Speaker 1>spinning oh behind the scenes, he's you can't keep up

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<v Speaker 1>with him. It's like, you know, don't lie to us,

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<v Speaker 1>you know. And I think that there's such distrust with

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<v Speaker 1>the media for having shielded opinions like yours, whether whether

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<v Speaker 1>it's MSNBC or what have you. And it hasn't really

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<v Speaker 1>been felt yet because we're in this whirlwind. But that's

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<v Speaker 1>going to be a conversation.

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<v Speaker 9>That's had and if I can speak to that as

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<v Speaker 9>a member of Congress. You know, the game is played

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<v Speaker 9>probably better than I do. You know, there are a

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<v Speaker 9>lot of media outlets, especially in Washington, whose life blood

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<v Speaker 9>is access to the White House. So if you if

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<v Speaker 9>you get out of line or you bother them, they're

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<v Speaker 9>not going to afford you the talent, the leaks the information.

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<v Speaker 1>It's the same thing with the NFL exactly.

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<v Speaker 9>That's an interesting embarrassing but you so you get the

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<v Speaker 9>point that that's why. And by the way, yeah, the

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<v Speaker 9>media dropped the ball. You know, the New York Times

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<v Speaker 9>started getting a little bit more interested in that story

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<v Speaker 9>and then they stonewalled them. You know, they kept me

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<v Speaker 9>off the airwaves, that at least the left leaning airwaves.

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<v Speaker 9>And that's how the game works. So independent, that's the

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<v Speaker 9>perverse and sentence. The media has got to be independent.

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<v Speaker 9>And the same thing with politics. Why are we punishing

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<v Speaker 9>courage and rewarding cowardice. That's shameful in both my in

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<v Speaker 9>my business and yours. And that's I think we got

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<v Speaker 9>to bring some.

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<v Speaker 1>Light on It's kind of when we first started talking

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<v Speaker 1>about it, is when Dean Phillips came out and said,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know, I've got these big concerns about Joe

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<v Speaker 1>Biden serving another four and a half years or what

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<v Speaker 1>have you, or there's six years at the time. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't remember exactly when it happened, but that's kind of

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<v Speaker 1>when we started talking about it, and you know, and

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<v Speaker 1>other people were saying, I don't think this guy can

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<v Speaker 1>do another term, and and uh and and and we

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<v Speaker 1>were lied to. We were lied to for at least

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<v Speaker 1>a period of time about his cognitive abilities and where

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<v Speaker 1>he was at.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, it was it.

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<v Speaker 2>Was a confirmation of what our eyes were telling us,

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<v Speaker 2>that there was somebody else in power, somebody closer than

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<v Speaker 2>we are obviously that recognized that. So I almost I

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<v Speaker 2>almost feel like I want to thank you, because there

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<v Speaker 2>are a lot of people, I mean, even the members

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<v Speaker 2>of the Democratic Party should thank you for raising this

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<v Speaker 2>to the level of people's getting people's attention and that

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<v Speaker 2>and that you I don't want to say you were

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<v Speaker 2>a dog with a bone, but it was something that

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<v Speaker 2>you didn't forget, you know, you didn't let.

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<v Speaker 4>Go dog with a bone is a compliment in those cases.

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<v Speaker 4>All right, well then I'll use that one.

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<v Speaker 9>You know, and I think every what you just said

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<v Speaker 9>about seeing with your own eyes, I mean I did too.

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<v Speaker 9>I may have been the only person in democratic politics

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<v Speaker 9>that woke up the morning after that debate and was

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<v Speaker 9>wondering what was so unique about that I'd seen that?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, what had you seen that?

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<v Speaker 2>What led to you?

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<v Speaker 4>I'll tell you?

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<v Speaker 9>And I want to clarify this is really important to clarify.

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<v Speaker 9>I've not seen legitimate cognitive decline. That's a little different.

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<v Speaker 9>What I've seen is pretty incredible physical decline. That age

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<v Speaker 9>is unstoppable.

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<v Speaker 4>We know that.

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<v Speaker 9>And his communication skills, which have always been challenged, you know,

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<v Speaker 9>have really eroded his ability to seem strong and enunciate

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<v Speaker 9>and think on his feet. You know, that's clearly been eroded.

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<v Speaker 9>And Americans had decided that that didn't make them comfortable for.

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<v Speaker 4>Another four years.

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<v Speaker 9>And all I was trying to point out, I wasn't

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<v Speaker 9>trying to demean him or attack him. I was trying

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<v Speaker 9>to point out that voters, the ones that matter, had

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<v Speaker 9>made the decision already, so why would we ignore them

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<v Speaker 9>because of this orthodoxy that you always protect the incumbent.

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<v Speaker 9>So what I had seen he was in my home

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<v Speaker 9>in twenty eleven. I saw a very strong man. We'd

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<v Speaker 9>just Osama bin Laden. He was the vice president, and

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<v Speaker 9>of course you know this, this is you know, fourteen

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<v Speaker 9>years ago. Then I saw him in twenty twenty and

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<v Speaker 9>you know, he was an older man but still had

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<v Speaker 9>the GUSCO. But in twenty twenty one he came to

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<v Speaker 9>our caucus a couple of times to present to help

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<v Speaker 9>make a case for some legislation. He was pushing and

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<v Speaker 9>we all saw with our own eyes the decline and

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<v Speaker 9>it had started, and it was real.

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<v Speaker 4>I probably had I.

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<v Speaker 9>Was probably a little more concerned and jarred than some others,

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<v Speaker 9>but we were talking about it. But it wasn't until

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<v Speaker 9>he declared his candidacy again to run again that really

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<v Speaker 9>surprised a lot of us. He had kind of insinuated

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<v Speaker 9>he wouldn't do it again. It was going to be

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<v Speaker 9>a bridge, and that's when I felt compelled to say

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<v Speaker 9>the quiet.

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<v Speaker 4>Part out loud.

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<v Speaker 9>I went to Vietnam, where my father was killed in

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<v Speaker 9>the Vietnam War that spring of twenty twenty three to

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<v Speaker 9>visit where he died, and I remember getting on the

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<v Speaker 9>plane coming home and thinking, you know, my dad was

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<v Speaker 9>one of a million Americans that literally gave his life

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<v Speaker 9>serving the country. The least I could do for gos

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<v Speaker 9>sakes was speak the truth that I knew it was real,

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<v Speaker 9>and not condemning him, but ensuring that we inspire competition

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<v Speaker 9>and that we don't hide the truth from Americans, especially

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<v Speaker 9>after I saw my Republican colleagues. What I thought it

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<v Speaker 9>was a disease unique to the right, which was saying

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<v Speaker 9>one thing about Donald Trump privately and then excoriating him,

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<v Speaker 9>and then getting in front of the cameras just and

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<v Speaker 9>blessing him. And then when my side started doing the

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<v Speaker 9>same thing, I thought this was contagious. It's not unique

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<v Speaker 9>to one side or the other. It is this culture

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<v Speaker 9>of silence, rewarding cowardice, and staying in line so that

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<v Speaker 9>if you aspire a higher office, you've got to play

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<v Speaker 9>by these rules that Americans are really sick and tired of.

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<v Speaker 9>That was the mission, and to think that it may

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<v Speaker 9>have been partially accomplished. I shed light on it maybe

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<v Speaker 9>I'll take some credit for that, but now it's up

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<v Speaker 9>to everybody else.

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<v Speaker 1>What's your relationship with Tim Walls?

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<v Speaker 7>Like?

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<v Speaker 9>Tim and I are very close he I've known him

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<v Speaker 9>for twenty years. I really liked him. What you see

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<v Speaker 9>is what you get. Okay, he's down home. He knows

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<v Speaker 9>how to fix a lawnmower. He knows how to plow

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<v Speaker 9>his driveway. He can skim a deer and then go

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<v Speaker 9>legislate and lead a state in the afternoon. You know, Teach,

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<v Speaker 9>you're a National Guardsman represented a red district in southern Minnesota.

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<v Speaker 9>He more than most Democratic politicians, really, I think understands

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<v Speaker 9>where most Americans are at. You know, you can say

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<v Speaker 9>he's too progressive, or you don't like this policy or that.

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<v Speaker 9>But the man comes from I think, a part of

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<v Speaker 9>the country and has lived in communities that need to

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<v Speaker 9>be heard more certainly by my party.

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<v Speaker 4>So I'm pleased by it.

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<v Speaker 9>You know, he's likely if they win, he will be

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<v Speaker 9>the third Democratic vice president from the state of Minnesota

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<v Speaker 9>of the last six and, as Senator Clobshar says, regularly,

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<v Speaker 9>in Minnesota, when a baby's born, parents put him on

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<v Speaker 9>their laps and say, one day you two can grow

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<v Speaker 9>up and be vice president.

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<v Speaker 4>Of the United States.

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<v Speaker 9>So we raise good vice president and you know, look

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<v Speaker 9>at we are our state. I think there's a reason

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<v Speaker 9>for that. You know, we are you know, we're thoughtful.

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<v Speaker 9>You know, we're generally respectful. Minnesota nice, little passive, aggressive,

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<v Speaker 9>but a state that has higher taxes, but clean water,

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<v Speaker 9>beautiful parts, a great environment, great schools.

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<v Speaker 4>Safe community.

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<v Speaker 1>What are you going to do about the Vikings.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, that's an issue now.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, that's a whole other sect.

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<v Speaker 4>I wish, I wish Congress.

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<v Speaker 9>I wish Congress could legislate a Viking super Bowl Progesson

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<v Speaker 9>before in my lifetime.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, you've been through the ringer, whether it's the party

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<v Speaker 2>that did it or media whatever, you've been through the

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<v Speaker 2>ringer for the last year and a half. Do you

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<v Speaker 2>are you confident that there was a place for a

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<v Speaker 2>voice like yours in the Democratic Party.

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<v Speaker 9>I think time will tell. I'm testing that right now.

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<v Speaker 9>It was not well received, but I will let me

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<v Speaker 9>I will. I'm glad you asked that question. Leader jeffreyes

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<v Speaker 9>Hakeem Jeffries. There was not one moment from the time

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<v Speaker 9>I started this endeavor to this very day where he

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<v Speaker 9>was disrespectful where he threatened me with removing me from committees,

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<v Speaker 9>where he didn't afford some space and place for the

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<v Speaker 9>very dissent that I was trying to elevate, and I like,

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<v Speaker 9>I believe that speaks to him specifically, not everybody. Uh,

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<v Speaker 9>there is a place, and I think those handful of

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<v Speaker 9>leaders in our party who recognize what real American principles

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<v Speaker 9>are and what winning requires should be elevated that. But

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<v Speaker 9>as you know this, we live in a culture now

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<v Speaker 9>that doing so comes at risk to the very leaders

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<v Speaker 9>that need to inspire it. So that's the perverse incentive.

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<v Speaker 9>So time will tell, But I won't be quiet. I'm

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<v Speaker 9>you know, I'm unbridled and uncommitted, if you will, and

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<v Speaker 9>I just want to inspire more people to speak that truth.

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<v Speaker 9>But you can do it in a way that is

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<v Speaker 9>not antagonistic and mean spirited, because it works better. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 9>and I think that's what I want to Maybe.

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<v Speaker 1>We shouldn't have come here because now I like a politician,

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<v Speaker 1>I like the media.

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<v Speaker 4>How about that something's wrong.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just nice to have a thoughtful conversation with somebody

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<v Speaker 1>who doesn't seem phony and is smart.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, So thank you for I appreciate it.

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<v Speaker 2>Congress, this right here, Thank you for coming on, Thank

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<v Speaker 2>you for making time for us to Thank you both

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<v Speaker 2>most for it.

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<v Speaker 4>Thanks for what you do. Absolutely we need more of it,

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<v Speaker 4>not less.

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