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Speaker 1: What is up, Fellasicko's I Am Dan Valley coming at

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you with mister Moore Jensen of the NBA podcast, Fame

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only fans, celebrity. You're gathered around the Hardware Knocks NBA

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campfire again to go through every Western Conference team's biggest

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need following the peak of NBA free agency. We did

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the East the other day, so if you have not,

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go ahead and check out that podcast. We also got

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to react to the Kawhi Leonard trade pause breaking news

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in real time. That was fun to attempt to parse.

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Speaker 2: With j Brown trade today it's.

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Speaker 1: That second Jail Brown trade is gonna hit so hard,

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or imagine the Jail and Brown trade pause that was

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already official though. Right So, but uh, we're gonna do

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the West. We're gonna alternate teams again picks like we

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did last time. There is obviously some business that has

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yet to be done. Nothing I mean the Kawhi Leonard

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trade as it applies to the Clippers being one of them.

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Nothing that should change our overarching thoughts at least on

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these squads. First and foremost, though, mister ensign, how are

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you doing doing.

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Speaker 2: Well, sir. I would like to apologize in advance to

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everyone listening in or watching this on YouTube, because if

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they're going to be sounds in the background is because

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I have my window open because we're in the middle

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of July and it's hot as hell, so I just

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need to, you know, not die as we do this

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Speaker 1: I'd prefer you faint from heat exhaustion. I feel like,

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like live I feel like that'd be really good for

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the views and engagement and everything in content nowadays, So

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Speaker 2: I have to faint in a different way. Oh by

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the way, opening window sponsored bikedraft Kings right like we.

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Speaker 1: Not calci no cal uh? Do you want to get

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us started? I'm going to game it perfectly so that

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I forced you to take the team that at some

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point that I know you won't want to take. I'm

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not really sure who that is in the Western Conference,

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good guess. But I forced you to talk about the Bulls,

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Speaker 2: Did, so that's why I want to talk about the

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Spurs now. I want to pay you that one was coming, yeah, exactly,

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that one. We might as well get it out of

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the way. So biggest need I still think it's like

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a proper power forward. I know that got Tobias Harrison

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there and he's look, he's good. I'm not going to

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sit here and act as if Tobias Harris doesn't have value.

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I thought Philly fans were way too harsh on him

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for years and years and years. I think he's going

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to help him out, But I don't think he's that

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physical enforcer type player that you and I were talking

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about during the finals or before the finals even and

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the guy that you and I talked about, I don't

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know if you remember this talking about I see a

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Stewart who we're laughing that option off because you know,

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Detroit won sixty games and we're like, no way, he's

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like ending up in San Antonio. He'd be perfect, but

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no way he ends ups in San Antonio. Blah blah

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blah bla. He's gonna stick around. And then he was

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traded for like three seconds or two seconds or whatever

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the hell it was. So I still think they need

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like a very physical, enforcing four man who can just

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come in and take care of business. That to me

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is still a major gap in their lineup symmetry.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think the four spots the right focus. They

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they have enough guards on this team unless you wanted

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them to get another They drafted like eight of them.

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I know that hyperboly, but unless you wanted them to

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get another type of backup big but it has to

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be it has to be the four spot. And I'm

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is fantastic, But you mentioned the physicality. Tobias Harris gives

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you maybe some of that on the offensive end, but

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like you said, he not a perfect fit. Harrison Barnes

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don't like. The closest they come is who is it? Champpenny?

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Speaker 2: Yeah for sure, So.

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Speaker 1: It's one of those two. And maybe look, maybe Carter

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just saw this, not that it's not working. Maybe it's

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more self creation and physicality offensively there than the raw

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three point volume. But this team is just they could

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just if you bake in organic improvement because of how

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young the top of their roster is.

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Speaker 2: True, I just think it's for them, it's so important

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not to get complacent after this final appearance, like you

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just we've seen it before. Seems to go to the finals,

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they're like, oh, we're right there, we don't have to

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not saying you need to overhaul anything, but like you

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need to be very, very aggressive if you're the losing

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team of the finals coming into next year, Like, go

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get that ring chaser, Go get that guy who might

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cost you an extra draft pick, because you're so goddamn close.

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Speaker 1: And I think last time we talked about this, you

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but Trey Murphy is the name. I thought you were

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guy that both of us talked about. I was like, Oh,

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Trey Murphy's name is gonna come up with?

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Speaker 2: Oh?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he's been mentioned a ton with them. He doesn't

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the physicality stuff where you're talking about that wouldn't much

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Speaker 2: Know, but he'll rip the threes as you talked about.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess I would just be hesitant because of

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the draft equity that it would cost to get him.

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and then that's kind of it. You still have. I'm

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with you, but it's it would be so unspursy to

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make such an aggressive move like that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it would, but I'm all in on it because

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like they have Wemby, like the like Dylan Harper is

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dr and Fox contract, I don't think there's any gregious

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deal to be found on their froster whatsoever. So they

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just have so many options. And if even if you

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can do that give up the equity for for Trey Murphy,

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perhaps you're lucky and can actually flip Fox for something

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as well, like so you kind of replenish your cuppards

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he's necessarily untradeable. I don't like the contract, but I

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don't think he's untradable.

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Speaker 1: No, I think he's far from untradeable, would be my guess.

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Is there any other names that like spring to mind

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for you that they should be looking at? Isaiah Stewart

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on this team would have been the Dylan Harper Isaiah

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Stewart lineups. Maybe worry about those offensively, like spacing wise

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a little bit, but those and Castle, it's a lot

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of physical dudes. Just yeah, in general, that'd be fun

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Speaker 2: I mean, look that those were the two guys I

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but now that he was moved, I'm like, damn, like

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if they he was available, so so like if they

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had walked away from from this summer with Trey Murphy

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Speaker 1: Should I mean, and they can't really save them any

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money because they're after paying Champagnie and Harris. They're not

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into the tax, but they're fairly close. I was gonna say,

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like getting a Michael Porter Junior's money is going to

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teams scenarios. This would be an interesting cam Johnson team

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Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely efficient hopefully in the system wouldn't be too

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high on the totem pole, but enough to where the

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spacing is going to be an asset. Yeah for sure.

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Speaker 1: Let me just keep naming guys who don't check the

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physicality box that you outline.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I know at the top of this thought.

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Speaker 1: Honestly, so I whoa more, are the Spurs wasting weben

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Speaker 2: No they're not, but they are potentially wasting this summer.

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to go out and may be actually do something. And

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good offseason. I don't have them in the loser category either, because,

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like they just nailed the Champagne extension. That was just

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such a that's just such a ridiculously good deal. Like

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it's impossible to call them losers after doing that. Harris

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would have been nice to have seen a bigger swing. Yeah,

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the Paul George contract problem, which is why people were

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it felt like you needed all along to give up

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more than a first round pick to get off the

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just better next year and if he was healthier, but

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Speaker 2: Maybe I still didn't like, you know, a lot of

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I will give him that every single day of the week.

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like where's that spurts? Like where where? Where's the athleticism,

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where's that you know, the lightning speed that we've grown

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the rim or get by guys as readily. What if

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the separation gets even harder to come by than it

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might be already, so that that would be fair as well.

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My turn spent a lot of time on the spurs.

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That's far for the course for us. Let's go to Minnesota,

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who I believe just has the same need, except probably

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more so. They just need they need the four after it,

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and it's not because I think you could have argued

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you wanted to see them upgrade the Julius Randall spot.

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They just haven't filled the Julius Randall spot at this point.

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I would be intrigued to see more of Jaden McDaniels

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at the four. I think that'd be interesting and that

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he'd be more of an offensive mismatch there. But they

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only played Jmac at the four for forty one possessions,

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with Rudy also at the five last season and the

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year before that it was two hundred and twenty two possessions,

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so a little bit bigger. But the offense was really

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bad both in both of those seasons during those stretches,

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and you look at the roster right now, I don't

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really know what the plan would be. I don't think

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he's more of a wing anyway, but you're not going

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to scale rookie Isaiah Evans up in that department. So

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aside from going with these smaller lineups we've seen, they've

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been one of the teams that is linked to Lebron James.

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I think it would be that'd be one of the

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teams I'm just rooting to see Lebron go to because

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it would be so shocking. But other than that, maybe

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turning to Isaiah Evans or some of these smaller lineups

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where j mack is going to be at the four,

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I don't know what is the plan here as for Minnesota,

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like sort of in that spot. We don't even need

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to get bogged down by just the positions of it all,

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but it's who is like the primary front court partner

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for when Rudy Gobert is in the front line or

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Johann Baron Jay's on the front line. I don't know

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that they have that guy, and I think, again, I

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won't read too much into the Jaden McDaniels at the

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four lineup data, but I also don't believe that you

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want that to be Jaden mcdaniels's default role, even though

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if you're closing as of right now, that's probably what

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you're default into, right because you have Lamello, Edwards, Ioh, McDaniels,

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and Goberto. Those are your five best players with Devincenzo injured.

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For sure, Yeah, I don't I don't mind McDaniels at

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the four also because I this is going to turn

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into like a Jade McDaniels kind of thing. But he's

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been in the league for six years now, He's had

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his ups and downs, just in terms of like the

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consistency level, I'm just over it now, Like this season

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he has to come out and show us something Like

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now he has to come in and be a far

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better offensive player.

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Speaker 2: He has to be someone who we stop making excuses for,

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Oh he played on a position. Oh he was like

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third on the offensive hierarchy. Like I don't care anymore.

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I just don't care this. This guy is too good.

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He has too good of a nose offensively as well

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to not use it more. He's got too good of

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a jumper not to utilize it more. He's got too

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good of an insn to go to the basket not

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to utilize it more. Like I can go on and

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on and on, so frankly, playm at the three, play

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them at the four. I do not care. Just get

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him involved and it's it's his time now to step up.

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I need more Jade McDaniels on the positive side in

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my life instead of the endless frustrations of watching him

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play and yelling at the television, do more stuff because

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you're good, So need more from him. If that's at

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the four, so be it.

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Speaker 1: I guess is it set up like it's not when

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you say you need more from him? I don't know

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that the wolves have ever been set up for him

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to We've seen the incremental offensive improvement basically each of

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the last three years. I'm with you, he says, I'd

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like to see or was he at five three pointers

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per one hundred possessions last year? He improved at five

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point two. I would like to see that number come up.

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Speaker 2: To go up? Yeah, yeah, no, But but the aggressiveness

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as well as he had like when he started the

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year last year, Like didn't he average eighteen nineteen or

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something for like the first three or four weeks of

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the season something along those lines, Like he was really good,

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and I thought, now is the time for him to realize,

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Oh yeah, I have to go in and take the

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spot for myself. But he's a six', nine very athletic

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and agile wing big AND i know go bears. There

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but outside of, that they didn't have a ton of

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elite rebounders four rebounds per. GAME i don't Need jade

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McDaniels to turn Into Jared jackson. JUNIOR i need him

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to come in and use the physical tools and advantages

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that he does. Have long, arms, athletic we've seen him

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rebound as. Well we've seen it, before like it's a

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matter of devoting himself to certain. ELEMENTS i just need

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to see him in a larger capacity and then we

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can argue all day long whether that capacity needs to

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be offense or. EVENTS i just need to see him

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be featured at a higher.

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Speaker 1: Extent i'll be curious if they have more or less

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room for that this year than, last just because you

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have No Julius, randall but you still Have edwards and

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Then LaMelo And Io, desumu who will be higher usage

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on ball. Guys maybe they'll be if they're if you're

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gonna start both of, them maybe there's more opportunities For

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jade McDaniels with the secondary Lineups i'm STILL i Guess

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i'm Just i'm curious to see what the pathway would

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be to him actually like seeing him higher, usage BECAUSE

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i doubt he's never cracked twenty percent. USAGE i don't think. So, yeah,

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no he's not even come. Close last year it was

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his closest at eighteen to. Five SO i, GUESS i

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JUST i guess he doesn't frustrate me as much as

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he frustrated, you which.

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Speaker 2: Is, oh you're so positive.

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Speaker 1: Always that's, yeah, yeah mister optimist is what They, yeah.

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Exactly so what you're is that your biggest need is

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you just want More jaden McDaniels or is it it

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is the four spot, though right force bot cup point?

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Speaker 2: Guard but, like, well, okay, YEAH i mean Bones highland.

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DEPENDS i could in the.

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Speaker 1: World you're probably not Starting, io not because he's not starting,

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caliber but you would have that coming off the. Bench

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BUT i just DON'T i don't know what the what

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the alternative path would look like as this rock they

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are a team that would have been interesting For Tobias

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harris obviously the spurs and more money to give.

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Speaker 2: Out but, yeah now that the three guard line up Of,

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LaMelo io And EDWARDS i. DON'T i don't consider that,

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problematic like because you can throw in bones island in

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that and then it should be okay. Ish but like

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to your, point they probably could use some depth at that.

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Position it's not something that concerns. Me not at this.

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STAGE i think the. Four BUT i also think the

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four is just so tied to McDaniels and and my

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need of to see him just become more of an assertive.

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Player SO i think those two go hand in. Hand,

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yeah that's.

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Speaker 1: Fair and LIKE i, SAID i think that their closing

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lineup is going to be that as, Well so maybe

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the four isn't as big of a need as painting

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it out to. BE i think if you if that's

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your if your best five man unit is just those

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those five, dudes THEN i think you start to look

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at people coming off the bench and, say all, right

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well maybe it is between backup point, guard and like the,

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four it might look quite frankly unless you really think

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That baronjay is just just ready right, now you can

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make a case that could be a backup.

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Speaker 2: Five, yeah oh, yeah yeah for. Sure like in terms

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of the backup, POSITIONS i don't think they're set, yet

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but like do we even is there even a center

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out there on the market right? Now that MAKES jv?

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Speaker 1: SURE i, mean it might help you in the, possession

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but what About Nick richards is still floating out. THERE

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i LIKE Jv, moore they'd be a Good Micah potter.

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Team people might laugh at, that BUT i think that

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they like get theospacing element from the five.

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Speaker 2: SPOT i see.

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Speaker 1: It Uh target targets here for life as his brad

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beel wanted by. Anyone he's a vet minimum player right.

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NOW i assume The heat have him circled on, something

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right they need? It, yep, Yep minnesota does, NOT i would,

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say because he's. Not he wouldn't be the backup. Guard

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Speaker 2: Team The Houston? Rockets and so we're talking about needs.

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Here CAN i just say the need of symmetry BECAUSE

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i don't fully comprehend where this whole team is going

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AND i don't get the. Vibe i'm not SURE i

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understand the vision. Here bringing In Bogdan bogdanovitch And mark

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Is smart indicates, yeah we're going for it. Now resigning

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Sorry easton means they're, short like shoring up like the wing.

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Depth that's. FINE i JUST i understand that they want to.

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WIN i don't see the pathway having improved significantly to doing.

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That So i'm just my need is an understanding of

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where this thing is.

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Speaker 1: Going WHAT i, LIKE i can usulically why you don't,

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understand like what is the all?

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Speaker 2: Right so they have durand was. Great he's also getting,

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older SO i don't think it's fair to continue to

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expect him to like stay at that, Level like even

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if he just notches down a little, bit that goes

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in the opposite. Direction shanguda's out a rim. Protector he's

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not necessarily a grace three point shooting. Either Fred nplie

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is coming off the Acl Jabari Smith junior finally showed

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us a little bit more THAN i. THOUGHT i think

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that he's done in recent, years but it didn't he

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didn't show at least me enough to Where i'm just

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circling him in for a consistent. Role eason we. SAW

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i Love Tar, Easton, however like EVEN i can admit

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that the shooting, variants this was just ridiculous last, Season

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like he came in and what hit like for no

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forty percent of his threes for like months and ended

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up thirty five percent on the year because he just something.

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Happened Aman, thompson again the shooting. CONCERNS i know your

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Boy Reed sheppard played a lot, better but he's still

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so small so he can be. Exploited So i'm just

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trying to, understand, like are they serious about wanting to

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win a? Title and if, so is this the? PATHWAY

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I that's What i'm confused, about because to, me this

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team just screams first round.

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Speaker 1: Exit they certainly have that floor just, because as you alluded,

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To durant is another year older AND i don't know

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how much less dependent on him they're gonna be with

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a healthy Van fleet and they do have his bow

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Down baldonovic gonna be healthy at. All this was a

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team that had its offensive, issues AND i don't think

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the only thing they've done to address them in theory

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is not trade Than fleet for pure. Defense Marcus smart's

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not gonna really to, me isn't gonna come in and

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make you a better floor spacing. Team he's not gonna help.

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You they were twenty eighth and turnover eight last. Year

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you're really relying On fred Van fleet to do a

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lot of. That they were nineteenth and half court efficiency last,

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year seventeenth and first chance to. Offense that becomes more

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problematic if you know how many minutes can you get

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From Steven, adams who also finished the year. Injured and

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there to your point About, durant their non durant players

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were in the sixteenth percentile of catch and shoot three point.

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EFFICIENCY i don't think just Having fred Van fleet changes.

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There AS i said, before they're spacing, materially and So

471
00:24:04,880 --> 00:24:06,559
i'm probably with, YOU i would have liked to have seen,

472
00:24:06,599 --> 00:24:08,920
Them i'm. NOT i Guess i'm not confused by their

473
00:24:08,920 --> 00:24:11,440
direction because they do seem like they will. Be they're

474
00:24:11,480 --> 00:24:13,519
still a pretty big. Team they should be really good,

475
00:24:13,519 --> 00:24:17,799
defensively but they don't HAVE i don't necessarily understand the

476
00:24:17,839 --> 00:24:21,599
offensive theory yet of, them and that that's certainly. Confusing

477
00:24:21,720 --> 00:24:24,079
and by the, way they've also you Mentioned Reed. Sheppard

478
00:24:25,240 --> 00:24:28,920
we joke about how MARRIED i am to his. Trajectory

479
00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:31,480
you now Have Marcus smart and a Healthy fred Van.

480
00:24:31,559 --> 00:24:33,680
Fleet i'm very curious to see what his spot in

481
00:24:33,720 --> 00:24:36,599
the rotation looks like this upcoming. Season are we gonna

482
00:24:36,599 --> 00:24:39,960
see his opportunities WIN o down a little? Bit and you,

483
00:24:40,039 --> 00:24:41,480
know you dig into some of the numbers and he

484
00:24:41,519 --> 00:24:45,480
didn't necessarily uplift them a ton, offensively but conceptually he's

485
00:24:45,519 --> 00:24:49,000
the exact type of player that they, need or close to.

486
00:24:49,079 --> 00:24:52,279
It if we go into the season and this is

487
00:24:52,279 --> 00:24:54,519
another team where it's they don't even have the other thing.

488
00:24:54,519 --> 00:24:58,880
Too they didn't get more like they have, athletes some

489
00:24:59,000 --> 00:25:00,799
athletes on this, team but they're not getting out in

490
00:25:00,839 --> 00:25:03,440
transition a ton having to rant coming in like that

491
00:25:03,480 --> 00:25:06,480
slows you down even further or even. More excuse, me

492
00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:09,759
like is there can you have variants in that where

493
00:25:09,759 --> 00:25:11,640
you play at a faster. TEMPO i don't know that

494
00:25:12,119 --> 00:25:14,640
nothing they've done this. Offseason you can sit here and, say, oh,

495
00:25:14,720 --> 00:25:17,319
yeah they'll definitely do. THAT i need to see just

496
00:25:17,359 --> 00:25:22,079
more effective diversity and how their offense is run and

497
00:25:22,160 --> 00:25:24,119
if they if we don't see, it or if this

498
00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:26,960
is a team where what you, like what you seem

499
00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:29,559
concerned about where it's running in the deadline and they're

500
00:25:29,599 --> 00:25:32,680
like they're sixth or their seventh or their, eighth you

501
00:25:32,799 --> 00:25:35,400
gotta do something this season that mighty. Can't, well we're

502
00:25:35,400 --> 00:25:37,240
just gonna let the trade deadline come to pass and

503
00:25:37,799 --> 00:25:41,400
see how it goes from. There nuclear moves don't tend

504
00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:42,799
to happen in the middle of the. Year but this

505
00:25:42,920 --> 00:25:45,480
is certainly a team THAT i don't think it would

506
00:25:45,480 --> 00:25:50,759
take if you had a Healthy bogdanovich or if you

507
00:25:50,799 --> 00:25:53,279
have The bogdanovic what three years ago or. SOMETHING i

508
00:25:53,279 --> 00:25:56,119
feel their. Offense, yeah so it doesn't need to be

509
00:25:56,160 --> 00:25:59,319
another star. Necessarily both you AND i were against them

510
00:25:59,359 --> 00:26:02,880
getting in on the honest, sweepstakes but it does as

511
00:26:02,880 --> 00:26:04,319
of right, now i'd BE i don't know if i'd

512
00:26:04,319 --> 00:26:06,839
predict the first round. EXIT i haven't gone through like

513
00:26:07,119 --> 00:26:11,000
that exercise. Enough this is A i would there's a

514
00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:16,519
wildly imperfect offensive team right. Now, Yep i'm gonna question

515
00:26:16,599 --> 00:26:18,880
from barkstale. Corners what would you guys do if you

516
00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:22,720
were The? Rockets when do you press? Reset? Oh? Wow?

517
00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:28,519
Eligible but by the, way, actually CAN i ask you a? Question?

518
00:26:28,920 --> 00:26:30,880
Yeah Maybe i'm supposed to. Memory have we ever gone

519
00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:34,160
this late without even hearing a whisper of a rookie?

520
00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:36,839
Extension we've got? None, no that's.

521
00:26:36,920 --> 00:26:41,279
Speaker 2: True, no not Even july. Tenth, no it does seem,

522
00:26:41,319 --> 00:26:41,720
late right.

523
00:26:42,559 --> 00:26:44,960
Speaker 1: Right Maybe i'm just, misremembering BUT i. Don't, NORMALLY i

524
00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:46,720
feel as if some of them are agreed to right.

525
00:26:46,759 --> 00:26:50,839
Speaker 2: Away it does feel like this is. Late, yes that's

526
00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:53,039
a good, show But i'd LIKE i. DON'T i don't

527
00:26:53,039 --> 00:26:55,200
want to hit the big red reset button, yet BUT i,

528
00:26:55,279 --> 00:26:59,279
look If i'm a team AND i struggled to the

529
00:26:59,319 --> 00:27:02,920
extent THAT i did in the regular season offensively, speaking

530
00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:06,279
AND i go into the off season AND i ONLY

531
00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:08,759
i get my injured player, back my insured point. Guard

532
00:27:09,599 --> 00:27:12,799
but that injury is so substantial and he wasn't efficient

533
00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:16,039
to begin with when he was. Healthy Like i'm not just,

534
00:27:16,079 --> 00:27:19,880
saying oh, cool we're, Fine, LIKE i just think their

535
00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:25,960
their lack of activity has been eye, opening, noteworthy whoever

536
00:27:26,039 --> 00:27:26,559
you want to frame.

537
00:27:26,599 --> 00:27:30,920
Speaker 1: It, wait so There's. Wenby Did wemby just sign as

538
00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:32,839
an extension as we were recording this or did we

539
00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:36,119
miss it BEFORE i hopped? On like right, Now wemby

540
00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:41,480
Tweeted spurs, Family i'm here to stay whatever it. Takes, Okay,

541
00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:46,359
OKAY i don't know. What i'm not seeing any news

542
00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:49,039
of a deal. Though, no you.

543
00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:52,039
Speaker 2: Can probably, imagine right what would you if he took

544
00:27:52,039 --> 00:27:52,359
a pay?

545
00:27:52,359 --> 00:27:55,680
Speaker 1: Cut that's what that tweet was. About that'd Be i'd

546
00:27:55,720 --> 00:27:58,000
be against, it BUT i would.

547
00:27:58,559 --> 00:28:05,160
Speaker 2: Imagine but could you imagine like twenty million years some

548
00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:06,839
sicko just, like.

549
00:28:06,799 --> 00:28:09,880
Speaker 1: Well, no you can, no But i'd Be i'd be

550
00:28:10,759 --> 00:28:14,000
incensed because they went and they saw Did Tobias harris

551
00:28:14,079 --> 00:28:15,920
was their big move then Knowing wemby was gonna be

552
00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:18,480
super cheap for the new three or four. Years, yeah,

553
00:28:18,559 --> 00:28:21,279
no i'd Be i'd be. Incensed that's a really good.

554
00:28:21,319 --> 00:28:24,799
Speaker 2: Point, okay all, Right, Wemby so we got that, one

555
00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:26,160
did we just? Speaking and.

556
00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:30,440
Speaker 1: You're first of All spurs, fans you're. Welcome but second of,

557
00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:33,680
all maybe there was unless maybe we missed it was. There,

558
00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:35,759
Oh wemby's gonna want out or, something which would be

559
00:28:35,759 --> 00:28:38,640
a while that we hear breaking. News victor Wem yama

560
00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:40,759
doesn't seem like he's requesting a trade from The. SPURS

561
00:28:40,799 --> 00:28:44,000
i know that's going to shock shock, everybody and The

562
00:28:44,079 --> 00:28:48,640
rockets will probably be wildly. Disappointed but, YEAH I. Houston

563
00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:52,759
their offense of structure still confused. Me it's. There they

564
00:28:52,839 --> 00:28:54,400
might they could. Be you could tell me they win

565
00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:57,319
like fifty seven games and it wouldn't shock. Me AND

566
00:28:57,319 --> 00:28:59,960
i would still sit there and, SAY i don't trust

567
00:29:00,079 --> 00:29:02,880
them to win more than a playoff series with the

568
00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:05,079
way that they're. Built like their playoff offense right now

569
00:29:05,119 --> 00:29:07,400
feels as if it would be way too dependent On.

570
00:29:07,519 --> 00:29:12,640
Durant you're kind of banking on internal development from someone

571
00:29:12,759 --> 00:29:16,039
or internal, improvement AND i don't is that Men, thompson

572
00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:18,440
does he suddenly have more range on the offensive.

573
00:29:18,519 --> 00:29:18,720
Speaker 2: End is?

574
00:29:18,759 --> 00:29:22,400
Speaker 1: It is, It Reed? Shepherd is It Albert shangun is

575
00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:26,400
just better this. Year i'm open to some of those

576
00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:33,119
developments taking, place but, yeah.

577
00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:32,839
Speaker 2: It needs to be a big improvement for, me for

578
00:29:33,599 --> 00:29:36,440
For shangun at this. Point, LIKE i do think he's

579
00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:40,119
extraordinary at what he, does BUT i think the things

580
00:29:40,119 --> 00:29:45,720
that he doesn't do are becoming a. Problem like just

581
00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:50,720
he's not a good, defender especially in. Space we know

582
00:29:50,839 --> 00:29:53,400
that the like the rebounding is, fine it's not a.

583
00:29:53,519 --> 00:29:57,200
Lead so we're looking at someone who doesn't really necessarily

584
00:29:57,680 --> 00:30:01,599
finish defensive possessions at a great. Rate, Like i'm not

585
00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:04,000
down on him by interest of the. IMAGINATION i was

586
00:30:04,039 --> 00:30:06,119
in fact extremely high on him coming into the draft

587
00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:10,480
in twenty twenty. One but we're now Five. Houston oh

588
00:30:10,519 --> 00:30:12,759
Oh so From Jake?

589
00:30:12,799 --> 00:30:18,480
Speaker 1: Fisher? Wow how DID i this is? From is this

590
00:30:18,519 --> 00:30:19,200
From Jue?

591
00:30:19,839 --> 00:30:20,599
Speaker 2: Okay Jake?

592
00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:23,599
Speaker 1: Fisher? Uh there has been word this morning In Las

593
00:30:23,680 --> 00:30:26,359
vegas That Victor mmiehwa's considering signing less than his maximum

594
00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:29,920
rookie scale extension to Provide San antonio with greater. Flexibility kidding,

595
00:30:29,920 --> 00:30:34,640
ME i that is, uh that's just, like that's the

596
00:30:35,039 --> 00:30:37,519
this is the part of a player's career in which

597
00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:42,119
they should not be Taking how did this is From july? Tenth?

598
00:30:42,359 --> 00:30:46,000
At what is something that doesn't make? Sense this is

599
00:30:46,039 --> 00:30:48,880
so bizarre to. Me it's saying six thirty seven, pm

600
00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:51,960
but it's not six thirty seven pm my time On july,

601
00:30:52,039 --> 00:30:55,160
tenth just, Yet so It's I'm i'm very. Confused it's.

602
00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:57,880
Real i've got The i've actually got the link to the.

603
00:30:57,880 --> 00:31:01,640
STORY i was about to, say make sure you're not getting. Hoodwinked,

604
00:31:02,519 --> 00:31:06,119
Yeah i'm. Not i'm not on. BOARD i, mean if

605
00:31:06,119 --> 00:31:07,799
he does, IT i guess more power to. Him but

606
00:31:07,839 --> 00:31:10,039
that's a slippery slope because this would be the time

607
00:31:10,079 --> 00:31:13,079
of a player's career where they shouldn't be taking a

608
00:31:13,119 --> 00:31:15,680
pay cut because they're what they provide on the court

609
00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:19,279
is absolutely going to be worth max. Value And i'm, Sorry,

610
00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:23,839
like how much Does Victor webbeny Like Tobias, HARRIS i,

611
00:31:24,079 --> 00:31:26,000
like if that if you knew wemb was gonna Take.

612
00:31:26,079 --> 00:31:28,240
WEST i have to assume that this isn't breaking news

613
00:31:28,319 --> 00:31:29,559
to The spurs.

614
00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:32,920
Speaker 2: Unless something is uh in the works.

615
00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:37,359
Speaker 1: That is, true that everything could BE. Tvd this IS

616
00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:40,839
i did. NOT i, AM i didn't see this coming.

617
00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:42,440
Yet we're both speaking.

618
00:31:42,119 --> 00:31:44,680
Speaker 2: Into existence that he would get an extension and that

619
00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:45,480
he would take a pay.

620
00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:49,400
Speaker 1: CUT i don't think we spoken into existence because it

621
00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:51,160
look looks like it's been out there AND i just

622
00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:54,079
missed it, somehow which is very strange to.

623
00:31:54,160 --> 00:31:57,000
Speaker 2: Me All, Right, no, look we need to go to

624
00:31:57,079 --> 00:31:59,519
the REAL gm wire chap because like they have everything

625
00:31:59,839 --> 00:32:01,400
And i'm not seeing anything about.

626
00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:04,720
Speaker 1: This oh, no he's he. Tweeted Jay fisher tweeted this

627
00:32:05,119 --> 00:32:08,960
eight minutes. Ago, OKAY i don't feel as. Bad that's still.

628
00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:13,920
SHOCKING i just assumed the conversation, was to, me was

629
00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:16,480
always gonna be did he get the fifty year player?

630
00:32:16,519 --> 00:32:17,640
Up we knew he was gonna thought he was gonna

631
00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:20,160
get the ALL nba Escal but if that's what this,

632
00:32:20,359 --> 00:32:23,960
IS i don't that is still pretty big. Sacrifice, actually

633
00:32:24,079 --> 00:32:26,160
what if he just signs for The Straight max with

634
00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:27,519
No ALL nba escalator?

635
00:32:27,599 --> 00:32:30,359
Speaker 2: Language how pissed With Jalen durham be at him, like,

636
00:32:30,519 --> 00:32:35,200
bro you have the escalator, language you can use, it

637
00:32:35,279 --> 00:32:37,200
AND i, do but no one wants.

638
00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:41,920
Speaker 1: Me this IS i do think it would set a.

639
00:32:42,039 --> 00:32:44,039
Day this is we're so far afield from The. Rockets

640
00:32:44,079 --> 00:32:46,759
BUT i do think this would set a dangerous or

641
00:32:46,759 --> 00:32:50,079
an uncomfortable precedent for just because you can't get Like

642
00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:53,480
Victor Webbin yama is the best player in the world

643
00:32:53,559 --> 00:32:56,599
maybe right, now and so if he's taking less, money

644
00:32:57,599 --> 00:33:00,759
what are like that's a pretty big negotiator point for

645
00:33:00,839 --> 00:33:03,680
teams in the. Future for you're sitting there forget About

646
00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:06,480
joe And, durham But i'm On thompson right. Now we

647
00:33:06,559 --> 00:33:08,839
know The rockets are going to. Negotiate, that's by the,

648
00:33:08,839 --> 00:33:11,200
way The rockets do this really well from a team.

649
00:33:11,359 --> 00:33:13,960
Perspective they negotiate with. Everything you look at all the

650
00:33:14,039 --> 00:33:16,799
rookie deals right down To Tara easan's the one they just.

651
00:33:16,839 --> 00:33:21,400
Signed that's basically the mid level per. Year teams like,

652
00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:23,720
that they're gonna negotiate even harder With. Saya i'm And

653
00:33:23,759 --> 00:33:27,279
thompson wee we didn't even take the ALL nba escalator.

654
00:33:27,359 --> 00:33:29,000
Language we're not gonna give you anything close to the.

655
00:33:29,039 --> 00:33:34,000
Speaker 2: Max it's funny because on A danish pod about a year,

656
00:33:34,039 --> 00:33:39,039
AGO i was talking to a friend about this where

657
00:33:39,039 --> 00:33:41,799
we basically, said at some point a euro dude is

658
00:33:41,839 --> 00:33:44,039
going to come in and just SAY i don't care

659
00:33:44,079 --> 00:33:47,559
about the, money because that is such a mentality over,

660
00:33:47,599 --> 00:33:50,680
here like especially in The EuroLeague, Format like there are

661
00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:52,759
so many guys who just take less to make sure

662
00:33:52,799 --> 00:33:55,720
that everyone gets a big piece of the. Pie and

663
00:33:55,839 --> 00:33:58,200
we're just basically, saying, look so many of These european

664
00:33:58,200 --> 00:34:00,119
players that get over to THE, nba they just say oh,

665
00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:02,240
okay like they don't know about the salary cab like

666
00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:06,599
they take the contract that's being offered and because the agent, says,

667
00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:09,639
yeah do. It but for the few ones that, understand,

668
00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:12,559
NO i can actually help my. Team i'm just not

669
00:34:12,679 --> 00:34:15,159
surprised it had to happen, Eventually like we were sitting

670
00:34:15,199 --> 00:34:19,119
there talking about we actually thought it'd Be. Luca so,

671
00:34:19,920 --> 00:34:21,199
yeah this is the thing.

672
00:34:21,239 --> 00:34:25,519
Speaker 1: Apparently parksdale corner of the comment says that My San

673
00:34:25,519 --> 00:34:28,360
antonio is reporting it'll be the largest contract In spurs,

674
00:34:28,440 --> 00:34:30,880
history and The escalator language will be a part of.

675
00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:33,159
It even if The escalator language isn't a part of,

676
00:34:33,159 --> 00:34:35,480
IT i would, argue, so what is this projected to?

677
00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:38,400
Be five? Years this is the like the twenty five

678
00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:40,679
percent max be five, years two hundred and fifty plus,

679
00:34:41,079 --> 00:34:44,519
million that's gonna be the biggest contract In spurs history as,

680
00:34:44,519 --> 00:34:48,199
WELL i would sure Argue i'm really fascinated to see

681
00:34:48,199 --> 00:34:50,280
how THAT i did not have this on My bengo.

682
00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:52,280
CARD i thought maybe would he get a player? Option

683
00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:53,920
and you're follow it was like my big.

684
00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:59,280
Speaker 2: Question and once, again, sir our program is being interrupted

685
00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:00,360
by breaking. News love.

686
00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:02,679
Speaker 1: It so this is the time we found the magic

687
00:35:02,719 --> 00:35:05,559
spot where if you guys WANT nba slop we need

688
00:35:05,559 --> 00:35:08,679
to record. It, wait what time is it In? Denmark

689
00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:10,280
so eight Pm denmark? Time two?

690
00:35:10,280 --> 00:35:11,360
Speaker 2: Pm, yeah almost time.

691
00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:17,320
Speaker 1: Time, WOW i DID i at least The kawhi, stuff

692
00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:21,199
knowing the background of it. Was it was, shocking but

693
00:35:21,239 --> 00:35:23,800
it was also, okay this is JUST i did not

694
00:35:23,880 --> 00:35:26,440
have this on My bengo. Card AS i, said, no

695
00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:30,920
let's move let's move on, Though i'm gonna. Go i'm

696
00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:32,599
gonna go a little bit off the beaten path. Here

697
00:35:33,119 --> 00:35:36,079
it's The Memphis grizzlies more AND i can talk about

698
00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:38,480
some maybe prototypes that they, need but WHAT i think

699
00:35:38,519 --> 00:35:42,360
they really need is roster. Space they have twenty players

700
00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:45,400
under contract right, now not a problem for the, offseason

701
00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:48,159
but you're gonna have to trim that down to fifteen.

702
00:35:48,199 --> 00:35:52,559
EVENTUALLY i don't know how. THAT i, MEAN kcp feels

703
00:35:52,599 --> 00:35:55,119
like the low hanging. Fruit they'll negotiate a buy out with.

704
00:35:55,199 --> 00:35:58,960
HIM i assume after that it's you could just talk

705
00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:02,679
yourself into, it not necessarily everyone on the. Roster but

706
00:36:02,719 --> 00:36:06,039
they're not gonna just Wave Jeremy grant as an, example

707
00:36:06,119 --> 00:36:09,440
right and sos who ends up being they odd man out?

708
00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:12,519
Here we Know Cam, Boozer Cedric, Coward Zach, EDY Jn.

709
00:36:12,599 --> 00:36:15,880
Wells that's kind of just the. Core they just Got Kareem.

710
00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:20,039
Lopez they Signed Quinton, posts so he's not going? Anywhere is?

711
00:36:20,079 --> 00:36:22,679
This do they get rid Of Chris? Murray that would

712
00:36:22,679 --> 00:36:24,719
be a NAME Aj. JOHNSON i guess those guys feel.

713
00:36:24,719 --> 00:36:26,639
Expendable d low is.

714
00:36:26,599 --> 00:36:30,599
Speaker 2: Expectable is pretty safe bed AND i misspoke.

715
00:36:30,679 --> 00:36:32,360
Speaker 1: YESTERDAY i made it seem like he was going back

716
00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:34,679
to The. MAVERICKS i just found it funny that him

717
00:36:34,679 --> 00:36:36,840
And Chris middleton were involved in the same trade. Again

718
00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:41,119
SO i guess you can get to expendable players pretty.

719
00:36:41,159 --> 00:36:45,800
Quickly my question would, be how are you getting rid of?

720
00:36:45,840 --> 00:36:48,880
Them are there other are you including seconds for someone

721
00:36:48,920 --> 00:36:51,599
to take on D? Lo does someone just take On

722
00:36:51,719 --> 00:36:55,079
Chris murray for. Free uh if you're looking AT i,

723
00:36:55,119 --> 00:36:57,199
MEAN cacp has to be a. Buyout no one's taking

724
00:36:57,199 --> 00:37:00,159
on that money unless you're taking someone, out like taking

725
00:37:00,199 --> 00:37:04,360
back worse Like Christian brown as an. Example. Maybe So

726
00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:07,400
i'm very curiously how they create the necessary roster. SPACE

727
00:37:07,480 --> 00:37:12,320
i will, say even though they Have Cam boozer as

728
00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:17,639
well As Scottie Pippen Junior Cam, Spencer Ty, jerome And

729
00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:21,280
Walter clayton to, Evaluate i'm not sure this team has

730
00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:25,719
like a a level passer on it at the, moment,

731
00:37:26,199 --> 00:37:28,159
Agree and so that would be something if they were,

732
00:37:28,159 --> 00:37:30,480
all we want to go out and fill this need

733
00:37:30,559 --> 00:37:33,679
or get a higher end flyer here to evaluate against the,

734
00:37:33,719 --> 00:37:35,880
future maybe it would be. That but they just have

735
00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:38,599
a lot of guys on this team right. Now literally

736
00:37:38,639 --> 00:37:39,400
they have too many.

737
00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:44,000
Speaker 2: Guys, YEAH i mean this might actually be an interesting

738
00:37:44,039 --> 00:37:49,119
destination for players on very large contracts that the teams

739
00:37:49,119 --> 00:37:51,760
that sign them to him are like. Hesitant i'm not

740
00:37:51,800 --> 00:37:54,960
going to say necessarily Darn fox Because memphis would also

741
00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:57,480
have to like take on that, deal, right but, like

742
00:37:58,199 --> 00:38:00,599
if they're struggling to get off, guys they need to

743
00:38:00,599 --> 00:38:05,960
consolidate to a certain, extent that could be something, like

744
00:38:06,559 --> 00:38:08,639
we just have to identify the teams that don't have

745
00:38:08,679 --> 00:38:10,639
a lot of players on their roster.

746
00:38:10,679 --> 00:38:15,840
Speaker 1: Currently yeah that or just like have these needs that

747
00:38:15,880 --> 00:38:18,880
could be filled by one Of memphis's, RIGHT i JUST

748
00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:21,559
i wonder they just have so many guys and like

749
00:38:21,599 --> 00:38:24,440
who is like who is off limits on this? Team Cam,

750
00:38:24,519 --> 00:38:28,800
Boozer Cedria, Coward Zach edy is definitely off. Limits Jalen

751
00:38:28,880 --> 00:38:33,920
wells is probably off. Limits should he? BE i mean

752
00:38:33,960 --> 00:38:37,119
should HE i doubt he's like on the most, Untouchable

753
00:38:37,119 --> 00:38:39,320
BUT i would Say Cedria, Coward Cam, boozer And Zach

754
00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:43,199
edy are most likely the guys they view is? There, yeah, CORPS.

755
00:38:44,320 --> 00:38:46,480
Speaker 2: I agree with. THAT i think that's a fair.

756
00:38:46,599 --> 00:38:48,840
Speaker 1: Assumption IF i had to, Guess i'm gonna just take

757
00:38:48,840 --> 00:38:50,880
a stab at the. Five how they get to the

758
00:38:50,920 --> 00:38:55,559
five roster? SPOTS i think D LO KCP A. J.

759
00:38:55,760 --> 00:39:01,360
Johnson that's. Three, Uh i'm gonna Throw Chris murray in,

760
00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:04,280
there and Then i'm gonna SAY i need one. MORE

761
00:39:07,480 --> 00:39:09,079
i don't think this is gonna mean maybe it's like

762
00:39:09,119 --> 00:39:13,119
one of the cheaper, guys like A mayshak Or Javon.

763
00:39:13,239 --> 00:39:15,840
SMALL i don't know who the fifth player is gonna be. More,

764
00:39:16,480 --> 00:39:18,000
YEAH i. CAN'T i can't pick. IT i don't. KNOW

765
00:39:18,039 --> 00:39:19,199
i don't have a good fifth player.

766
00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:23,119
Speaker 2: Here did you Say olivia Max mexican's Prosper.

767
00:39:23,880 --> 00:39:26,320
Speaker 1: NO i. DIDN'T i felt like he had some good

768
00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:27,719
minutes for. Them but that would be the.

769
00:39:30,119 --> 00:39:38,559
Speaker 2: Do you have like? That? Yeah BUT i mean it was, LIKE.

770
00:39:38,519 --> 00:39:40,800
Speaker 1: I feel like what a, team the team would give

771
00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:43,039
you something For Gigi? Jackson, right maybe it would be,

772
00:39:43,119 --> 00:39:47,280
him like just to capitalize that. Value what happened, There,

773
00:39:48,800 --> 00:39:50,880
well he got injured the two years ago and that

774
00:39:51,039 --> 00:39:56,840
seemed to throw throw them. Off, yeah, yeah that's their.

775
00:39:56,880 --> 00:39:59,360
Need they need roster, SPACE i think. It i'm just

776
00:39:59,360 --> 00:40:01,599
curious how they end up creating that roster space because

777
00:40:01,719 --> 00:40:03,400
of who you think is? Leaving is it are we

778
00:40:03,679 --> 00:40:06,480
is it more trades or are they just buying out guys

779
00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:08,840
because there are on a more of a gradual. Timeline

780
00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:11,239
but that AND i wouldn't mind seeing some higher end

781
00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:16,119
passing in. There who do you want to talk about? Next,

782
00:40:17,519 --> 00:40:24,519
oh let's go to The. Lakers, okay what's the biggest?

783
00:40:24,519 --> 00:40:27,639
Need that's a really good.

784
00:40:27,719 --> 00:40:31,239
Speaker 2: Question we can talk about defense all day, long which

785
00:40:31,239 --> 00:40:35,519
we probably, should but, yeah should we have do we

786
00:40:35,559 --> 00:40:37,719
have to go back to like the? Wing well, AGAIN

787
00:40:37,760 --> 00:40:39,199
i think we, do Because.

788
00:40:40,079 --> 00:40:43,840
Speaker 1: Jonathan kaminga doesn't feel that to, You i'm on the.

789
00:40:43,880 --> 00:40:47,280
ANSWER i like, him.

790
00:40:47,079 --> 00:40:49,440
Speaker 2: But, no, no not. Really AND i don't like the

791
00:40:49,480 --> 00:40:52,639
idea of going With Jared vanderbilt at the three for

792
00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:56,440
long stretches. Either that doesn't sound like. Fun dulton connects not,

793
00:40:56,519 --> 00:41:01,559
Really SO i think a real three could be interesting,

794
00:41:01,599 --> 00:41:04,840
there especially someone who's more two way. Inclined i'm Guessing

795
00:41:04,920 --> 00:41:07,199
Quinn rives is going to play there a. Lot i'm

796
00:41:07,199 --> 00:41:11,679
Guessing Jake, Larabia Cameron, CARR i, guess but it just

797
00:41:11,920 --> 00:41:17,840
all seems so uninspiring at that. Position like, OVERALL i

798
00:41:17,880 --> 00:41:21,320
actually think The lakers did well in free agency and

799
00:41:21,639 --> 00:41:25,239
in the summer at. LARGE i do, KNOW i know

800
00:41:25,280 --> 00:41:27,960
they gave up everything For.

801
00:41:28,039 --> 00:41:30,599
Speaker 1: Walker well it's not even, THAT i, mean it is

802
00:41:30,639 --> 00:41:33,920
THAT i Don't The Walker kessler contract to me is ultimately.

803
00:41:33,960 --> 00:41:37,440
Fine giving up control for first round picks to to

804
00:41:37,559 --> 00:41:39,920
outright two swaps is a big. Deal BUT i look

805
00:41:39,960 --> 00:41:43,440
at what some of all these other teams negotiated team

806
00:41:43,480 --> 00:41:46,360
options on their, deals or you saw where And Anfrey

807
00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:49,039
simons went For but you were like but you spent

808
00:41:49,119 --> 00:41:52,119
what you did On Colin. SEXTON i Thought MoMu was

809
00:41:52,199 --> 00:41:56,039
a slight overpay for what this roster, needed unless you

810
00:41:56,039 --> 00:41:58,159
trust him to log a lot of backup five, minutes

811
00:41:58,159 --> 00:42:00,760
Which i'm assuming you. Do if you just Shipped DeAndre

812
00:42:00,840 --> 00:42:05,880
ayton off To, WASHINGTON i think you. SO i really

813
00:42:05,880 --> 00:42:07,800
don't think that they had. THAT i wasn't thrilled with

814
00:42:07,880 --> 00:42:10,639
their process over the. OFFSEASON i think the, talent for

815
00:42:10,679 --> 00:42:13,039
the most, part can compliment one. Another i'm going to

816
00:42:13,079 --> 00:42:16,159
be even more. Confused there's the report that they're willing

817
00:42:16,199 --> 00:42:18,960
to give up the twenty thirty two swap to facilitate

818
00:42:19,000 --> 00:42:21,199
a sign and trade that would Use Jared vanderbilt to

819
00:42:21,239 --> 00:42:24,079
Get Jonathan. Kaminga and so it's all, right you get

820
00:42:24,119 --> 00:42:26,360
off the two guaranteed years Of Jared, vanderbilt but it

821
00:42:26,400 --> 00:42:29,000
costs you a twenty thirty two. Swap how high are

822
00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:32,039
we On Jonathan kaminga in an offense that already Has

823
00:42:32,119 --> 00:42:35,519
luca And, reeves, who, yes make life easier on, Everybody

824
00:42:35,800 --> 00:42:37,920
BUT i think you need someone who wants their life

825
00:42:37,960 --> 00:42:40,559
to be made. Easier And i've Just Jonathan diminga has

826
00:42:40,559 --> 00:42:44,320
never felt like that type of a complimentary player to, me.

827
00:42:44,400 --> 00:42:47,000
Speaker 2: Right, no he's someone you need to build, around or

828
00:42:47,039 --> 00:42:51,199
at least playing, around to make sure that he's. Optimized you're,

829
00:42:51,280 --> 00:42:53,920
RIGHT i don't disagree with. THAT i will, say, though

830
00:42:54,800 --> 00:43:00,159
The Kaminka luca, Connection i'm not out on. IT i

831
00:43:00,199 --> 00:43:01,440
could see a pathway for that to.

832
00:43:01,480 --> 00:43:06,639
Speaker 1: Work sure is it worth a twenty thirty two swap

833
00:43:06,840 --> 00:43:10,360
your last like enticing great?

834
00:43:10,400 --> 00:43:15,280
Speaker 2: Ship you know? What? Yeah, YEAH i think it. IS

835
00:43:15,320 --> 00:43:17,159
i like him and, GUY i like it more than

836
00:43:17,199 --> 00:43:19,719
you than you, do and that's. FAIR i understand why

837
00:43:19,719 --> 00:43:23,360
you're low on him BECAUSE i see the issues. TOO i,

838
00:43:23,400 --> 00:43:26,679
Do but he's so. Young he only spent half a

839
00:43:26,760 --> 00:43:32,119
year with that In, atlanta after getting just out of

840
00:43:32,119 --> 00:43:35,320
that situation In Golden. STATE i think he needs to

841
00:43:35,360 --> 00:43:38,880
find somewhere to, land like mentally. Land and if that's The,

842
00:43:38,960 --> 00:43:43,320
lakers all, Right, YEAH i.

843
00:43:43,360 --> 00:43:45,880
Speaker 1: DON'T i just. DON'T i haven't seen enough from him

844
00:43:45,920 --> 00:43:48,079
to make me think that he would be okay being

845
00:43:48,119 --> 00:43:51,679
the third wheel in the offense then defending hard enough

846
00:43:51,679 --> 00:43:54,920
to justify playing him at the, three LIKE i, mean

847
00:43:54,960 --> 00:43:56,840
he could play plenty of. Four there is the shooting

848
00:43:56,840 --> 00:43:58,880
good enough in that, spot BUT i think you hit

849
00:43:58,920 --> 00:44:02,480
it on the now with uh berserk, monk my bed,

850
00:44:02,559 --> 00:44:05,760
guys My, toddler grab my. Phone i'm okay the chap berserk. Monk,

851
00:44:05,840 --> 00:44:09,599
yeah that's. Great could they make the money work FOR.

852
00:44:09,719 --> 00:44:14,079
Kcp this is From joyanne sw maybe move some pieces

853
00:44:14,119 --> 00:44:16,559
for him And? JACKSON i actually have SO i have

854
00:44:16,559 --> 00:44:19,400
a list of targets here for The. Lakers Gig jackson

855
00:44:19,480 --> 00:44:22,119
is on that list for. Me so they could certainly

856
00:44:22,119 --> 00:44:24,239
make the money work for him because he's so. CHEAP

857
00:44:25,000 --> 00:44:29,760
kcp would be. Tougher you would Need memphis already has

858
00:44:29,800 --> 00:44:31,599
too many, bodies but you. Would it would need to Be,

859
00:44:32,480 --> 00:44:39,559
Laavia Jared vanderbilt and, yeah it would have to be

860
00:44:39,599 --> 00:44:42,000
a three for ONE i think to get you, There

861
00:44:42,119 --> 00:44:44,320
and so then another team probably needs to come, involved

862
00:44:44,360 --> 00:44:46,679
SO i Don't Maybe memphis is willing to do that

863
00:44:46,800 --> 00:44:49,039
like a twenty thirty, two BUT i don't WANT kcp

864
00:44:49,159 --> 00:44:51,199
for my twenty thirty. Two i'd rather go up on

865
00:44:51,320 --> 00:44:55,519
twenty thirty, two swap FOR h For Jonathan aminga THAN.

866
00:44:55,960 --> 00:44:59,440
KCP ksep could be a nice buyout target out for.

867
00:44:59,480 --> 00:45:02,199
Speaker 2: Them he would fit into that makeup of that team for. Sure.

868
00:45:02,320 --> 00:45:05,800
Speaker 1: Yeah and by the, WAY i like The grime signing

869
00:45:05,840 --> 00:45:08,159
the contract, is you, know four years for SIXTY i

870
00:45:08,159 --> 00:45:12,360
think is, fine and he replaces functionally a lot of

871
00:45:12,360 --> 00:45:15,880
What Marcus smart could do. Defensively neither one of them

872
00:45:15,880 --> 00:45:17,800
are going to defend like a ton of, wings though if,

873
00:45:17,840 --> 00:45:21,000
Anything grimes probably at least relative to last, Season grimes

874
00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:23,760
did that more. Often BUT i think they need to

875
00:45:23,920 --> 00:45:27,960
go get somebody who's capable of doing that and won't

876
00:45:27,960 --> 00:45:30,960
torpedo the, offense or they're capable of doing. That maybe

877
00:45:30,960 --> 00:45:33,679
they do torpedo the, offense but they're just so good on.

878
00:45:33,800 --> 00:45:39,320
Defense NAMES i have listed here Justin, Champenni Ryan dunn

879
00:45:39,920 --> 00:45:40,760
fly around him.

880
00:45:40,639 --> 00:45:41,800
Speaker 2: Maybe oh that'd be.

881
00:45:41,840 --> 00:45:43,719
Speaker 1: Fun, yeah do they have Any do they have enough

882
00:45:43,719 --> 00:45:49,280
to get Herb? Jones probably not right, contractually so it's

883
00:45:49,400 --> 00:45:54,119
like the contract they could match pretty. Easily, yeah, yeah but,

884
00:45:54,280 --> 00:45:57,719
ASSETS i don't, Know like it would be the twenty

885
00:45:57,760 --> 00:45:59,440
thirty two swap And Brandon.

886
00:45:59,159 --> 00:46:01,840
Speaker 2: Carr negotiating With Joe dumars and his.

887
00:46:01,920 --> 00:46:08,079
Speaker 1: Team would you do forget that this doesn't probably save

888
00:46:08,119 --> 00:46:11,280
The nuggets enough, money but you're involving other? Teams would

889
00:46:11,280 --> 00:46:15,000
you Do van Do, Oh Jake laavia And Jaden hardy

890
00:46:15,960 --> 00:46:16,519
For Christian.

891
00:46:16,559 --> 00:46:22,599
Speaker 2: Brown, YEAH i THINK i. WOULD i THINK i would

892
00:46:22,679 --> 00:46:27,519
because we saw a bad year From Christian brown last,

893
00:46:27,559 --> 00:46:33,760
season but the year, BEFORE i, mean he was ridiculously.

894
00:46:33,920 --> 00:46:38,599
FISHING i thought he had such a good understanding of shot,

895
00:46:38,679 --> 00:46:42,000
selection time and, Score like there's a real he didn't

896
00:46:42,119 --> 00:46:45,559
walk into fifty eight percent from the. Field it. Was

897
00:46:45,679 --> 00:46:47,880
he was very calculative in terms of like how he

898
00:46:47,960 --> 00:46:51,239
scored when he started, driving like when he initiated certain.

899
00:46:51,280 --> 00:46:54,840
Things and he just lost that this past season for

900
00:46:55,159 --> 00:46:59,519
reasons that are completely unknown to. ME i don't think

901
00:46:59,559 --> 00:47:04,760
it's injury. Related only something happened And i'm just not

902
00:47:04,800 --> 00:47:06,960
ready to write them off after one bad, year.

903
00:47:07,679 --> 00:47:09,880
Speaker 1: Which is WHY i wonder if The nuggets that, type

904
00:47:09,960 --> 00:47:12,320
let's say that you were even able to reroute two

905
00:47:12,320 --> 00:47:14,800
of those. SALARIES i wonder if The nuggets even, that

906
00:47:14,880 --> 00:47:16,119
are they at the point where they just want to

907
00:47:16,119 --> 00:47:20,039
get rid of? HIM i, mean his to his two

908
00:47:20,039 --> 00:47:22,719
point percentage was in the gutter Without yokas last, year

909
00:47:22,760 --> 00:47:27,119
it dropped by thirty three points When jokic was off the. Floor. Insane,

910
00:47:27,320 --> 00:47:30,320
Yeah Isaaca korro would be another. One could you get

911
00:47:30,320 --> 00:47:32,519
The bulls to take On? Vanderbilt you probably want someone

912
00:47:32,559 --> 00:47:34,480
who could defend up a little bit more than A,

913
00:47:34,559 --> 00:47:37,079
koro but he'd be nifty. Here but those are the

914
00:47:37,079 --> 00:47:42,480
Guys i've. Listed hark w Hot hogs says or who Goes,

915
00:47:43,000 --> 00:47:45,199
hark who? Goes excuse? Me The lakers are a forty

916
00:47:45,199 --> 00:47:48,400
five win. Team i'm not even that low on. Them

917
00:47:48,440 --> 00:47:50,800
if They're if they win that, AMOUNT i assume That

918
00:47:51,119 --> 00:47:53,119
Austin reeves end Or luca has missed a bunch of.

919
00:47:53,159 --> 00:47:57,639
Time yeah, Again, uh it's on. Me, yeah you picked The,

920
00:47:57,719 --> 00:47:59,719
lakers so it would be my. Turn where do a

921
00:47:59,800 --> 00:48:06,159
high want to go? To now let's go To, Okay,

922
00:48:06,159 --> 00:48:09,360
See i'm not gonna say they need to get out

923
00:48:09,360 --> 00:48:11,480
of the second, apron because guess what, more they have the,

924
00:48:11,519 --> 00:48:13,800
ability they have the option not getting out of the second.

925
00:48:13,840 --> 00:48:20,000
Apron they need like a shooter with. Size they there

926
00:48:20,559 --> 00:48:23,280
and they'll be good defensively, regardless they'll be. Great they

927
00:48:23,280 --> 00:48:25,119
could do nothing and they might just win the. Title

928
00:48:25,159 --> 00:48:26,480
so this is not to say THAT i think it's

929
00:48:26,480 --> 00:48:30,480
a fatal, flaw but they just don't have that like

930
00:48:30,679 --> 00:48:37,360
combo wing sized. Shooter and from a volume, Perspective chet's

931
00:48:37,519 --> 00:48:39,480
just not If, yeah he's playing a bunch of. FOUR

932
00:48:39,639 --> 00:48:41,840
i get. That so that's why that's part of why

933
00:48:41,880 --> 00:48:44,599
you can your roster can be. Built the way it

934
00:48:44,639 --> 00:48:47,079
is is you just have these two giants And hartenstein And,

935
00:48:47,119 --> 00:48:49,360
chet and Then Jay will could play with either of,

936
00:48:49,400 --> 00:48:52,159
them and now you have a DeMar to bake in.

937
00:48:52,199 --> 00:48:56,000
There But chet at under six threes per one hundred

938
00:48:56,000 --> 00:48:57,960
possessions is just not cutting. It and SO i think

939
00:48:58,000 --> 00:49:01,239
they need A they don't the salary structure to make this,

940
00:49:01,280 --> 00:49:04,079
work but like they need Their Cam johnson or even

941
00:49:04,119 --> 00:49:06,599
they need Their Sam. Hauser to, me it can be

942
00:49:06,639 --> 00:49:09,519
someone who's not like what If Isaiah joe was just

943
00:49:09,559 --> 00:49:12,440
a few inches taller than twenty pounds heavier or. Something

944
00:49:12,480 --> 00:49:14,480
they need someone to me along those.

945
00:49:14,519 --> 00:49:19,719
Speaker 2: Lines, YEAH i very much. Agree shooting is the one

946
00:49:19,719 --> 00:49:21,960
thing that sticks. Out you said shooting with. SIZE i

947
00:49:22,000 --> 00:49:26,440
don't disagree with. THAT i would EVEN i would even

948
00:49:26,480 --> 00:49:29,760
be fine with shooting without. Size you're just the floor

949
00:49:29,800 --> 00:49:33,280
spacers at this, point like, YOU i do not trust

950
00:49:33,320 --> 00:49:36,960
them as a three point shooting team at this. Point

951
00:49:36,960 --> 00:49:42,639
at this, STAGE i think they were too financially motivated this.

952
00:49:42,679 --> 00:49:46,760
SUMMER i don't trust Lou dort as a. Shooter why

953
00:49:46,760 --> 00:49:50,679
WOULD I. Nicoltachopitch even if he's gonna, play he was

954
00:49:50,840 --> 00:49:54,119
never built as a long range. Shooter thomas soorbers like

955
00:49:54,360 --> 00:49:57,679
mostly an interior guy Like jared McCain is the guy

956
00:49:57,719 --> 00:50:00,400
who has to come in and say all of The

957
00:50:00,440 --> 00:50:03,559
Isaiah joe minutes and like absorbing his own for that,

958
00:50:03,559 --> 00:50:06,280
matter and just say all, Right i'm gunning. This i'm

959
00:50:06,360 --> 00:50:10,320
absolutely gunning. This i'm, Good i'm playing twenty minutes and

960
00:50:10,360 --> 00:50:11,360
He's jack ten. Three.

961
00:50:13,519 --> 00:50:15,840
Speaker 1: YEAH i mean he has. That he does like to

962
00:50:15,840 --> 00:50:18,280
get into the in between, stuff of, course but he.

963
00:50:18,320 --> 00:50:21,000
Does he's the closest on this team to having that

964
00:50:21,079 --> 00:50:23,320
in him now That Isaiah joe and Even Aaron wiggins are,

965
00:50:23,320 --> 00:50:25,440
gone as well as Something Aaron wiggins could at least in,

966
00:50:25,480 --> 00:50:29,320
theory do uh Berserk monk, says why don't The thunder

967
00:50:29,480 --> 00:50:33,079
just pet overpay For Trey. Murphy it's a good question

968
00:50:33,639 --> 00:50:35,480
that they were really going for. It it would be they

969
00:50:35,480 --> 00:50:37,880
have the salaries to make the math. Work BUT i

970
00:50:37,880 --> 00:50:39,639
don't think. YOU i think they want to get out

971
00:50:39,639 --> 00:50:41,559
of the. Set this is the PROBLEM i run into

972
00:50:41,559 --> 00:50:44,159
with them IS i would still be very shocked if

973
00:50:44,199 --> 00:50:46,199
they don't get out of the second apron and so

974
00:50:46,280 --> 00:50:49,519
it's tough to build scenarios where they would get A

975
00:50:49,559 --> 00:50:53,440
Trey murphy and then they're actually shedding money, overall like

976
00:50:53,480 --> 00:50:56,000
before the end of the, year joy anew, says If

977
00:50:56,000 --> 00:50:57,880
mara is good right, away do you think about Moving

978
00:50:57,920 --> 00:51:03,119
hartenstein at the deadline for a Wing, ooh, yes, YES

979
00:51:03,280 --> 00:51:05,360
i guess. Yes but after he signed, THAT i thought

980
00:51:05,400 --> 00:51:07,039
it was going to take them a fourth year to

981
00:51:07,119 --> 00:51:09,519
lock him. Down if he was taking a pay, CUT i,

982
00:51:09,599 --> 00:51:12,599
WONDER i wonder how that would fly behind the, scenes

983
00:51:12,679 --> 00:51:15,440
or maybe the market just wasn't there for. Him but

984
00:51:15,440 --> 00:51:17,480
If Walker kessler got four for one, thirty you would

985
00:51:17,480 --> 00:51:19,320
think that there might have been even a sign in

986
00:51:19,360 --> 00:51:22,320
trade market For Isaiah hartenstein in the neighborhood of.

987
00:51:22,360 --> 00:51:23,880
Speaker 2: That, yeah but.

988
00:51:23,880 --> 00:51:27,440
Speaker 1: Yet that would Be, Hartnerstein Like hartnerstein For Trey murphy

989
00:51:27,599 --> 00:51:30,159
is like a, structure and then you include picks To New.

990
00:51:30,239 --> 00:51:33,079
Orleans that's not.

991
00:51:33,239 --> 00:51:36,440
Speaker 2: Bad that'd be. INTERESTING i, mean of, course do you

992
00:51:36,519 --> 00:51:40,800
trust that gap being left By? Hartenstein do you trust

993
00:51:40,800 --> 00:51:45,800
that to go to Chet holkren in the? Playoffs because, WELL.

994
00:51:45,719 --> 00:51:48,320
Speaker 1: I guess that's the, Question like joy, ansaying If mara

995
00:51:48,440 --> 00:51:50,199
is good right, away but, yeah you would have to

996
00:51:50,400 --> 00:51:52,639
do you trust him in the playoffs as. Well that's.

997
00:51:52,639 --> 00:51:56,719
It hartstein's probably for a team that Has, Chet And

998
00:51:56,719 --> 00:51:59,039
i'm not this isn't meant to be perjoradive To chet.

999
00:51:59,079 --> 00:52:02,119
NECESSARILY i think The pendulums one way too far after

1000
00:52:02,119 --> 00:52:06,440
the way the playoffs ended to. Me but Like hartsta

1001
00:52:06,559 --> 00:52:08,880
is probably too important to this team for as much

1002
00:52:08,960 --> 00:52:11,039
down as they have on, it if you really start

1003
00:52:11,079 --> 00:52:11,920
to think about.

1004
00:52:11,679 --> 00:52:16,039
Speaker 2: It, YEP i agree he. IS I, look if they

1005
00:52:16,079 --> 00:52:19,159
don't have the, shooting the defense is going to be extra,

1006
00:52:19,159 --> 00:52:22,000
important Right. Like that's that you have to weigh and

1007
00:52:22,039 --> 00:52:25,119
balance things, out and if you're lacking in one, department

1008
00:52:25,159 --> 00:52:27,199
you need to be damn sure your lead in. Another.

1009
00:52:28,840 --> 00:52:33,320
YEAH i, look, OVERALL i don't think the thunder are

1010
00:52:33,559 --> 00:52:36,199
standing as strong as they were last year because of

1011
00:52:36,280 --> 00:52:40,559
the shooting issues right. NOW i am frankly not that

1012
00:52:40,639 --> 00:52:44,119
in love with their roster right, now not compared to

1013
00:52:44,199 --> 00:52:48,079
last year at least Yet, still obviously they could have

1014
00:52:48,119 --> 00:52:51,840
a cake walk towards the. Finals everything like failed right

1015
00:52:51,840 --> 00:52:55,000
but or fell. Right but, NO i think they have

1016
00:52:55,000 --> 00:52:58,800
a legitimate need, here legit need for. Shooting, YEAH i

1017
00:52:58,800 --> 00:53:00,440
would say it's a legit.

1018
00:53:00,519 --> 00:53:02,320
Speaker 1: NEED i think they would probably be less inclined to

1019
00:53:02,360 --> 00:53:05,000
feel that way, though because they could just, say, well

1020
00:53:05,000 --> 00:53:08,079
we're gonna Have Jalen williams this year mostly A j

1021
00:53:08,199 --> 00:53:11,199
Dow and so that's the think about they were so.

1022
00:53:11,360 --> 00:53:14,119
Banged he was banged up by The, like you're dealing

1023
00:53:14,159 --> 00:53:16,559
with that all year through the playoffs and you still

1024
00:53:16,559 --> 00:53:19,440
made it To game seven against The wemby Led. Spurs

1025
00:53:19,559 --> 00:53:21,360
i'm still waiting for That wemby pay cut to come

1026
00:53:21,360 --> 00:53:22,199
through and keep checking my.

1027
00:53:22,239 --> 00:53:26,960
Speaker 2: Phone, yeah same where we. Go we are going To,

1028
00:53:27,199 --> 00:53:33,559
utah and my big question here is the center. POSITION

1029
00:53:34,679 --> 00:53:37,800
i don't know if it's IT'S i would need per,

1030
00:53:37,840 --> 00:53:40,039
se but, LIKE i just need to know who's gonna

1031
00:53:40,039 --> 00:53:43,400
rebound the fucking. POLL i need to know who will

1032
00:53:43,519 --> 00:53:46,320
finish defensive. Possessions SO i want to get this out

1033
00:53:46,320 --> 00:53:49,360
of the way Because i'm harsh On Jared Jackson. JUNIOR

1034
00:53:50,119 --> 00:53:52,840
i do think he's a great. DEFENDER i do think

1035
00:53:52,880 --> 00:53:54,760
he is such an acid on that end of the.

1036
00:53:54,760 --> 00:53:58,239
Floor but you, can and we've seen him do this

1037
00:53:58,480 --> 00:54:02,639
multiple times during his career In, memphis where he will

1038
00:54:02,639 --> 00:54:07,079
play great defense forty to twenty four seconds and then

1039
00:54:07,159 --> 00:54:11,079
when the ball's up, there we go relinquish the, rebound

1040
00:54:11,559 --> 00:54:16,280
and that just negates the level of defensive activity that

1041
00:54:16,320 --> 00:54:19,280
we've seen from. Him SO i just want them to

1042
00:54:19,360 --> 00:54:22,199
be sure that they have someone who they can put

1043
00:54:22,239 --> 00:54:25,679
alongside him to, say all, right this dude is just

1044
00:54:25,719 --> 00:54:28,920
going to go grab that goddamn ball after you have

1045
00:54:29,039 --> 00:54:32,519
played terrific defense for a full shot. Clock and is

1046
00:54:32,559 --> 00:54:36,400
that use Of nurkic, Maybe LIKE i don't know what

1047
00:54:36,440 --> 00:54:39,599
they're planning to, do is jaring the four lord the

1048
00:54:39,639 --> 00:54:43,440
three and use Of nurkic like in theory the starting five?

1049
00:54:43,519 --> 00:54:47,360
MAN i probably, Not but LIKE, I i just need

1050
00:54:47,639 --> 00:54:50,559
to know that they have a plan to finish defensive.

1051
00:54:50,559 --> 00:54:52,400
POSSESSIONS i think that's a need right.

1052
00:54:52,440 --> 00:54:56,599
Speaker 1: NOW i think the center, spot you could argue is

1053
00:54:56,639 --> 00:54:58,199
just a need in. General is that if you just

1054
00:54:58,239 --> 00:55:02,239
want someone better Than nurkic Or. Hayes i'm at your. Concerned,

1055
00:55:02,239 --> 00:55:04,920
though even if you're gonna Start, nurkic who does give

1056
00:55:04,960 --> 00:55:07,079
you a presence on the defensive, Class like you, SAID

1057
00:55:07,679 --> 00:55:11,199
i would assume you're not closing many games with any

1058
00:55:11,199 --> 00:55:12,960
one other Than TRIPLE j at the, Five and so

1059
00:55:13,039 --> 00:55:15,320
that's where it comes. In even if You're i'm fine

1060
00:55:15,320 --> 00:55:18,119
With larry marketing when it comes to, rebounding but from

1061
00:55:18,159 --> 00:55:20,400
there it's are you getting it from the? Wings is

1062
00:55:20,440 --> 00:55:24,360
that it Is Ace, Bailey, Keyante George Darren peterson leveling

1063
00:55:24,440 --> 00:55:28,480
you up. There they have the their salary structure right

1064
00:55:28,519 --> 00:55:31,360
now with the trade, deadline When nurkic himself could be,

1065
00:55:31,400 --> 00:55:35,559
traded they they might have some opportunities open. Up, otherwise

1066
00:55:35,599 --> 00:55:38,000
right now they're kind of trafficking. In it would have

1067
00:55:38,000 --> 00:55:40,360
to be like middle rung, options but they could go

1068
00:55:40,440 --> 00:55:42,800
out and be a right like right this. Second A

1069
00:55:42,880 --> 00:55:45,679
Musa diabat suitor is a name that we've, mentioned a

1070
00:55:45,719 --> 00:55:48,800
ton As charlotte willing to pay, him could you GET

1071
00:55:49,159 --> 00:55:52,719
i guess rebounding, Though Like i'm sure we Mentioned. Hartenstein

1072
00:55:52,719 --> 00:55:55,639
that'd be a Good hartenstein team, midseason but they're already

1073
00:55:55,679 --> 00:55:58,679
getting super expensive on the front. Line Would Jay will

1074
00:55:59,320 --> 00:56:02,159
do enough of that for you if The thunder are

1075
00:56:02,159 --> 00:56:03,000
looking to cut money that?

1076
00:56:03,039 --> 00:56:03,239
Speaker 3: Way?

1077
00:56:04,719 --> 00:56:11,760
Speaker 1: Yeah SO i, YEAH i. DON'T i don't know what

1078
00:56:11,840 --> 00:56:14,320
the center target for them would, be just because they'd

1079
00:56:14,320 --> 00:56:15,960
be in a weird salary structure with, it and you

1080
00:56:16,000 --> 00:56:18,320
can find. Bigs but then you have to, ask, oh

1081
00:56:18,360 --> 00:56:21,360
do they do enough of the rebounding stuff that mort

1082
00:56:21,199 --> 00:56:24,199
is outlining at this. MOMENT i also another NEED i

1083
00:56:24,239 --> 00:56:27,880
had for them was do they have enough like on

1084
00:56:28,000 --> 00:56:31,039
ball perimeter defense here when you start to go through

1085
00:56:31,039 --> 00:56:33,920
their their, ROSTER i, think as of right, now there's

1086
00:56:33,960 --> 00:56:37,400
a lot on the shoulders of A Darren peterson and

1087
00:56:37,679 --> 00:56:42,719
Or Ace. Bailey and that's, again both of those two

1088
00:56:42,800 --> 00:56:45,920
could turn out to be just like long, TERM i

1089
00:56:45,960 --> 00:56:49,679
don't have like huge questions about them, defensively but when you're,

1090
00:56:50,119 --> 00:56:54,199
like right, now it's who's your most important perimeter defender

1091
00:56:54,280 --> 00:56:56,239
or non big, defender is? It is it like it

1092
00:56:56,280 --> 00:56:58,960
could Be Cody williams might be the answer for all we.

1093
00:56:59,039 --> 00:57:02,280
Speaker 2: Know always getting back To Cody, williams your former number?

1094
00:57:02,320 --> 00:57:05,519
One was it your top top pick back?

1095
00:57:05,559 --> 00:57:08,159
Speaker 1: THEN i think he was number one or two on

1096
00:57:08,199 --> 00:57:10,320
my big board because that was The Reed shepherd, draft wasn't.

1097
00:57:10,360 --> 00:57:12,840
It SO i might have bumped Down Cody williams to

1098
00:57:12,880 --> 00:57:17,039
two at that, POINT i might have had Read shepherd number.

1099
00:57:17,039 --> 00:57:18,280
Two i'd have to go back and. Check and they,

1100
00:57:18,280 --> 00:57:20,480
do they. Do they did Sign Josha, kogi so that

1101
00:57:20,559 --> 00:57:23,840
helps a little. Bit but and what you get into

1102
00:57:23,880 --> 00:57:26,760
with this team, now which is very interesting to say

1103
00:57:26,800 --> 00:57:29,840
about a squad that yes they were, tanking so it

1104
00:57:29,880 --> 00:57:32,400
was by, Design but you don't really say this about

1105
00:57:32,400 --> 00:57:35,400
a team that isn't coming off a really good. Season

1106
00:57:36,159 --> 00:57:41,159
the bar to crack one of their core units is incredibly. High.

1107
00:57:41,199 --> 00:57:43,159
Now it's not as high as when they Had Walker,

1108
00:57:43,239 --> 00:57:46,480
kessler of, course but it's like in a in a core,

1109
00:57:46,599 --> 00:57:50,280
lineup four of the spots could just be gone right,

1110
00:57:50,320 --> 00:57:53,320
now or they are gone with Keyante George Darren, Peterson Jared, Jackson,

1111
00:57:53,360 --> 00:57:55,599
Junior larry Market in and so to be that like

1112
00:57:55,639 --> 00:57:58,000
the fifth guy might just Be Ace. Bailey and so

1113
00:57:58,280 --> 00:58:01,480
whatever improvement you're, making you're making it, knowing, well is

1114
00:58:01,519 --> 00:58:04,599
this player gonna close games for? Us and if the answers,

1115
00:58:04,639 --> 00:58:06,360
no how much are you willing to give up to

1116
00:58:06,480 --> 00:58:08,960
go to go get? Him which is Why Joshua kogie

1117
00:58:08,960 --> 00:58:12,199
signing and bringing Back, nurkic you, know to like talk

1118
00:58:12,199 --> 00:58:15,559
about both of the needs that we. Outlined that's why

1119
00:58:15,599 --> 00:58:17,360
it might make sense in their, minds because why are

1120
00:58:17,360 --> 00:58:18,760
you gonna go out there and expend that Like Max

1121
00:58:18,800 --> 00:58:20,960
christy would be that it was a trade TARGET i

1122
00:58:20,960 --> 00:58:23,239
had for this team would have been, interesting but what

1123
00:58:23,440 --> 00:58:25,639
he closed for them would be because if he's, Not

1124
00:58:25,679 --> 00:58:27,960
Thence bailey's. Not if he's, closing Then Ace bailey's not,

1125
00:58:27,960 --> 00:58:33,199
closing Or Darren peterson's not. Closing, yeah uh, utah was

1126
00:58:33,239 --> 00:58:36,280
you excuse? Me So i'm gonna, Go, yes it is

1127
00:58:36,400 --> 00:58:36,639
up to.

1128
00:58:36,800 --> 00:58:36,880
Speaker 2: Me.

1129
00:58:37,960 --> 00:58:41,519
Speaker 1: Uh feeling the pressure here right. Now let's go To.

1130
00:58:42,119 --> 00:58:51,519
Phoenix LET'S i don't like this team as as much

1131
00:58:51,599 --> 00:58:53,400
AS i LIKE i didn't like them going into last,

1132
00:58:53,400 --> 00:58:56,280
season and they proved me. Wrong so there's that they were, fun,

1133
00:58:56,760 --> 00:59:03,239
scrappy the offensive, rebounding the defensive. EFFORT I, Miles miles,

1134
00:59:03,239 --> 00:59:05,599
bridges if you can give up a twenty thirty three

1135
00:59:05,719 --> 00:59:08,639
unprotected first round pick for someone with who pleaded no

1136
00:59:08,719 --> 00:59:11,800
contests to three felony domestic violence charges and what was

1137
00:59:11,800 --> 00:59:15,119
that twenty? Two, yeah when you have the opportunity that

1138
00:59:15,199 --> 00:59:17,360
you definitely have to do. It but even moving on

1139
00:59:17,880 --> 00:59:20,480
and a terrible, segue but moving on from the morality

1140
00:59:20,480 --> 00:59:22,440
of it, ALL i don't know how much he actively

1141
00:59:23,039 --> 00:59:26,920
upgrades the basketball team in a talent in a talent,

1142
00:59:27,079 --> 00:59:31,320
vacuum maybe going From Grayson allen And roy O'Neil to,

1143
00:59:31,400 --> 00:59:34,639
Him but you lost a lot of floor. Spacing in that,

1144
00:59:34,719 --> 00:59:38,519
trade you maybe gained or you did gain some rim,

1145
00:59:38,599 --> 00:59:42,000
pressure but now you're losing a ton of off ball option.

1146
00:59:42,079 --> 00:59:44,159
Out like just look at the guys on this roster

1147
00:59:44,239 --> 00:59:47,480
that would now prefer to operate with the ball in their.

1148
00:59:47,480 --> 00:59:50,199
Hands Devin, booker WHO i, have no he'll be a,

1149
00:59:50,239 --> 00:59:52,400
Passer like if he has to be a playmaker, first

1150
00:59:52,400 --> 00:59:54,880
he'll do. It So i'm not concerned About Devin. Booker

1151
00:59:54,920 --> 00:59:57,840
but you do Have Devin, booker you Have Jalen, green

1152
00:59:58,440 --> 01:00:01,599
you Have Dylan, brooks and now you Have Miles bridges

1153
01:00:01,719 --> 01:00:05,239
and so it's just it's it's. Weird and so bring In.

1154
01:00:05,320 --> 01:00:08,079
Lukenard that'll help with some of the force basing a little.

1155
01:00:08,119 --> 01:00:11,960
Bit but there's also aside From Devin, booker like your

1156
01:00:12,000 --> 01:00:16,880
playmakers are him And Colin, gillespie and then it's Like,

1157
01:00:16,960 --> 01:00:19,920
ozoegadaro who's we're not sure how much he's gonna. Play

1158
01:00:20,159 --> 01:00:22,840
you could also make the case, that, Well Miles bridges

1159
01:00:22,960 --> 01:00:26,159
might be an upgrade at the four. Spot this team

1160
01:00:26,199 --> 01:00:30,239
doesn't have enough size to materially improve upon its defensive.

1161
01:00:30,239 --> 01:00:33,559
REBOUNDING i guess If Mark williams is healthy and common

1162
01:00:33,599 --> 01:00:37,079
malawatch makes a. Jump you could say, differently there are

1163
01:00:37,119 --> 01:00:39,679
problems up and down the. ROSTER i think IF i

1164
01:00:39,760 --> 01:00:44,000
had to settle on, One i'm gonna say like off ball,

1165
01:00:44,039 --> 01:00:48,199
offense just to incorporate the, shooting but also basically everything

1166
01:00:48,559 --> 01:00:51,679
that doesn't include offensive. REBOUNDING i think you could look

1167
01:00:51,719 --> 01:00:56,039
at and, wonder, oh is this team's attack gonna like

1168
01:00:56,159 --> 01:01:01,280
seriously drop? Off so, yeah IT'S i don't know when

1169
01:01:01,320 --> 01:01:03,800
you look at the makeup right, NOW i don't trust

1170
01:01:03,800 --> 01:01:06,519
That Miles bridge is going to slide in and be ultra.

1171
01:01:06,559 --> 01:01:10,039
COMPLIMENTARY i don't trust that With Dylan, brooks as important

1172
01:01:10,039 --> 01:01:12,400
as he is to this. Team now you're getting into

1173
01:01:12,400 --> 01:01:15,239
the realm of, like have we really Need jail And

1174
01:01:15,280 --> 01:01:18,079
green to be super plug and play and more? Efficient

1175
01:01:18,199 --> 01:01:20,480
so they still do have some gritty defenders on the.

1176
01:01:20,519 --> 01:01:24,320
Team when you're Like Jordan, Goodwin i'm excited to. See

1177
01:01:24,360 --> 01:01:27,239
although the, plan as far as we, knew was to

1178
01:01:27,280 --> 01:01:30,280
give her sheer fleming more, minutes that gets harder With

1179
01:01:30,360 --> 01:01:33,800
Miles bridges in the. Building it does questions up and

1180
01:01:33,840 --> 01:01:36,719
down with the. Offense it's tough for me to just

1181
01:01:36,719 --> 01:01:40,000
settle on like playmaking or. Shooting i'm gonna just say

1182
01:01:40,039 --> 01:01:42,199
off ball offense in general to incorporate the, shooting but

1183
01:01:42,239 --> 01:01:44,519
even some of the movement, stuff or maybe it's just

1184
01:01:44,559 --> 01:01:46,679
the offensive optionality in. GENERAL i don't know if this

1185
01:01:46,760 --> 01:01:48,000
team has enough of it right.

1186
01:01:48,039 --> 01:01:51,199
Speaker 2: Now and for, me one of the biggest things here

1187
01:01:51,360 --> 01:01:57,039
is also a devotion to young. Players Mala watch was

1188
01:01:57,599 --> 01:02:00,480
at top ten pick last. Year he did not play

1189
01:02:00,519 --> 01:02:02,000
a lot of. Games he did not play a lot of.

1190
01:02:02,000 --> 01:02:05,119
MINUTES i thought they did not take his development serious

1191
01:02:05,159 --> 01:02:08,920
and what in year? One so if you want to

1192
01:02:08,960 --> 01:02:11,760
know what's, THERE i do think this year that needs

1193
01:02:11,760 --> 01:02:15,239
to change BECAUSE i and generally, SPEAKING i think that

1194
01:02:15,320 --> 01:02:18,639
has been an issue for For phoenix occasionally just not

1195
01:02:18,760 --> 01:02:25,440
giving their guys enough time to actually make a genuine

1196
01:02:25,440 --> 01:02:30,679
decision on, Him like what was? It was? It who

1197
01:02:30,800 --> 01:02:33,519
was it that they declined the third was it the

1198
01:02:33,639 --> 01:02:36,039
third or fourth year? Option? Well on was That Jalen?

1199
01:02:36,079 --> 01:02:39,440
Smith like they declined an option and then he turned

1200
01:02:39,440 --> 01:02:43,199
into like a perfectly REASONABLE nba, Player like it's JUST

1201
01:02:43,400 --> 01:02:46,800
i don't think they give their young guys enough, leash

1202
01:02:47,079 --> 01:02:49,559
AND i could just be so afraid that the same

1203
01:02:49,760 --> 01:02:51,800
is going to happen With. Malowatch so a need for

1204
01:02:51,840 --> 01:02:59,199
me is stay the, course like invest develop do something

1205
01:02:59,239 --> 01:03:01,440
if you if you have a top ten pick At george,

1206
01:03:01,480 --> 01:03:04,000
disposal don't waste.

1207
01:03:04,000 --> 01:03:07,880
Speaker 1: It oh that that bleeds into another need for them

1208
01:03:07,960 --> 01:03:09,800
is they could probably they could use a twenty thirty

1209
01:03:09,800 --> 01:03:12,400
three first round. Pick that'd be something that they could.

1210
01:03:12,440 --> 01:03:15,039
Speaker 2: Use, yeah that's a, need that's a neat.

1211
01:03:15,679 --> 01:03:18,480
Speaker 1: Uh andy cru says in the, Chat Miles bridges is

1212
01:03:18,480 --> 01:03:21,599
absolutely a down. Upgrade what are we? Doing hot take

1213
01:03:21,639 --> 01:03:24,920
suns will be better than The timberwolves this. Year underrated

1214
01:03:24,920 --> 01:03:26,719
part Of Miles bridges was he was able to get

1215
01:03:26,760 --> 01:03:28,880
his even when he was the fourth option behind three

1216
01:03:28,880 --> 01:03:32,559
shoot first players like Ball con And miller average seventeen

1217
01:03:32,639 --> 01:03:36,880
six and three as the fourth, OPTION i, Mean. Pumpkin

1218
01:03:37,559 --> 01:03:40,119
The hornets were worse on both ends of the floor

1219
01:03:40,199 --> 01:03:42,679
last year With miles Turn, so by the, WAY i

1220
01:03:42,719 --> 01:03:45,960
don't know That Miles, bridges excuse, me Not Miles. TURNER

1221
01:03:46,039 --> 01:03:48,800
i don't know, That, like how much did you upgrade

1222
01:03:48,840 --> 01:03:51,760
your defense really here with this? Trade Because i've seen

1223
01:03:51,760 --> 01:03:54,599
a lot of that was part of the reasoning behind,

1224
01:03:54,639 --> 01:03:57,079
it AND i just Don't i've said this a. Bunch

1225
01:03:57,440 --> 01:04:00,199
when you Watch Miles, bridges even when he's dropping. Twenty

1226
01:04:00,559 --> 01:04:03,599
it's never on hyper. Efficiency he's in the fiftieth percentile

1227
01:04:03,639 --> 01:04:07,039
of points per shot attempt last. Year he's not an exceptional.

1228
01:04:07,760 --> 01:04:11,280
Passer he's was in The he was also the fiftieth

1229
01:04:11,320 --> 01:04:14,719
percentile of assist to usage ratio last. Year he's never

1230
01:04:14,719 --> 01:04:16,880
really ranked higher than around the. Sixty he's never been

1231
01:04:16,920 --> 01:04:19,960
in the seventieth percentile of. That to, me he just

1232
01:04:20,400 --> 01:04:24,880
he might give, you like raise your floor in certain,

1233
01:04:24,880 --> 01:04:27,079
instances BUT i don't know that He to, me he

1234
01:04:27,079 --> 01:04:30,360
doesn't augment their. DEFENSE i don't know that he significantly

1235
01:04:30,360 --> 01:04:34,519
augments their. Offense he is the from a basketball, perspective

1236
01:04:34,559 --> 01:04:37,360
he is probably the better singular talent Than Grayson. Allen

1237
01:04:37,440 --> 01:04:40,000
but just the, space like the gravity That Grayson allen,

1238
01:04:40,039 --> 01:04:42,639
Has i'm not Even i'm not even prepared to say

1239
01:04:42,639 --> 01:04:45,199
that at this, moment he is one of THE i

1240
01:04:45,199 --> 01:04:47,480
think he's one of the biggest empty calorie guys in the.

1241
01:04:47,559 --> 01:04:50,679
Speaker 2: League and, see there we. Go that's because whoever wrote that,

1242
01:04:50,800 --> 01:04:54,039
set he still gets His, yes that's the kind of the,

1243
01:04:54,119 --> 01:04:56,280
problem because that's not how you need to look at.

1244
01:04:56,280 --> 01:04:59,159
It that that is the wrong way to gauge. Basketball

1245
01:05:00,280 --> 01:05:04,239
if you have teammates in front of you that are

1246
01:05:04,320 --> 01:05:09,440
significantly better Which Miles bridges. Did your role and your,

1247
01:05:09,480 --> 01:05:12,800
Responsibility god damn it as a basketball, player especially at this,

1248
01:05:12,920 --> 01:05:16,119
level is to incorporate yourself into a manner where you

1249
01:05:16,199 --> 01:05:19,559
weave yourself into the fabric of the offense instead of

1250
01:05:19,599 --> 01:05:21,840
going in with the mindset Of i'm gonna get. Mine

1251
01:05:22,679 --> 01:05:26,239
that's What Miles bridges did for a long. Time that's

1252
01:05:26,320 --> 01:05:28,639
part of the. Issue him getting his is actually a

1253
01:05:28,679 --> 01:05:31,639
part of the. Problem Jalen, green another guy on this,

1254
01:05:31,719 --> 01:05:36,360
Team it occasionally still struggles with that understanding what does

1255
01:05:36,400 --> 01:05:39,960
that might team need for me? Now like the, truest

1256
01:05:40,239 --> 01:05:44,960
greatest basketball players on earth always understood when it was

1257
01:05:45,039 --> 01:05:47,280
time to, sacrifice when it was time to step. Aside

1258
01:05:47,280 --> 01:05:51,440
like Even michael Effing jordan like would realize When Scotty

1259
01:05:51,480 --> 01:05:54,360
pippen had it going and, say all, right Like i'm

1260
01:05:54,400 --> 01:05:56,440
going to scale back a little. BIT i can feel

1261
01:05:56,440 --> 01:05:59,199
That scotty is going through something special right. Now i'm

1262
01:05:59,199 --> 01:06:02,559
gonna make sure THAT i can enhance that by giving

1263
01:06:02,599 --> 01:06:04,960
him the ball and being a thread off the. Ball

1264
01:06:05,280 --> 01:06:10,360
Like it's just it's not about getting, Yours it's about

1265
01:06:10,440 --> 01:06:14,320
weaving yourself into the frabriacal for team organization and become

1266
01:06:14,360 --> 01:06:17,920
the quality teammate and actually do what you need to

1267
01:06:17,960 --> 01:06:21,639
do in order to enhance everyone. Else Miles bridges does

1268
01:06:21,679 --> 01:06:22,280
the exact.

1269
01:06:22,320 --> 01:06:28,559
Speaker 1: Opposite, YEAH I i hated. THAT i mean just even

1270
01:06:28,599 --> 01:06:30,440
removing what they gave up for. Him i'm just curious

1271
01:06:30,440 --> 01:06:33,800
to see how much better he makes their team of it.

1272
01:06:33,920 --> 01:06:36,519
All AND i don't the other part of that. Too

1273
01:06:37,119 --> 01:06:39,280
this doesn't get into their, needs but it's what is

1274
01:06:39,320 --> 01:06:41,760
That they're gonna sign him to an? Extension? Right, otherwise

1275
01:06:41,760 --> 01:06:44,280
WHILE i give up a twenty thirty three first round

1276
01:06:44,280 --> 01:06:46,119
pick for, him AND i know they got a twenty

1277
01:06:46,159 --> 01:06:48,599
twenty nine first, back but it's the less favorable of

1278
01:06:48,639 --> 01:06:52,000
what is? It that's The, Utah Minnesota, cleveland, Right so

1279
01:06:52,039 --> 01:06:56,960
that's gonna be in the twenties at that. Point this TEAM.

1280
01:06:56,440 --> 01:06:56,840
Speaker 2: I would have.

1281
01:06:56,880 --> 01:06:58,840
Speaker 1: PREFERRED i thought they were too high on their own

1282
01:06:58,880 --> 01:07:00,880
supply based off some of the things that were being

1283
01:07:00,920 --> 01:07:03,679
said after this past. SEASON i would just preferred they

1284
01:07:03,719 --> 01:07:04,360
Stood pat