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Hey, 8 00:00:35.079 --> 00:00:38.960 welcome back to dot net Rocks episode two thousand and four. 9 00:00:39.119 --> 00:00:43.640 I'm Carl Franklin at Averagre Camra and Scott Sobers here. 10 00:00:43.640 --> 00:00:45.039 We're going to be talking to him in a minute, 11 00:00:45.039 --> 00:00:47.479 but you might hear him jump in on the intro here, 12 00:00:47.560 --> 00:00:49.640 because that's what we do now, right. 13 00:00:49.719 --> 00:00:52.920 Yeah, go to be at least for the next twenty 14 00:00:53.000 --> 00:00:56.479 or so episode, right, yeah, right, twenty two. I'm a 15 00:00:56.479 --> 00:00:59.560 little stressed about actually getting to the current history. 16 00:00:59.799 --> 00:01:02.200 Well well you know the shows won't have that wonderful 17 00:01:02.280 --> 00:01:06.040 intro again. Well we'll do something, but all right, something. 18 00:01:06.159 --> 00:01:09.799 I regret to inform everybody that I've got another cold 19 00:01:10.439 --> 00:01:13.959 luck at you and the gig tomorrow. Nice, just like 20 00:01:14.239 --> 00:01:17.560 last time. Save your voice, brother, Yeah, I'm gonna save 21 00:01:17.599 --> 00:01:18.159 it all. 22 00:01:18.159 --> 00:01:19.599 Right, A I fixed up? 23 00:01:19.840 --> 00:01:25.359 Or no, you know the best line when I get 24 00:01:25.439 --> 00:01:28.640 up on the microphone with the band is thank you 25 00:01:28.680 --> 00:01:32.840 for coming tonight. And tonight's show has absolutely no AI 26 00:01:33.079 --> 00:01:37.040 and people lose their minds, they roar, I'm sure, all right. 27 00:01:37.079 --> 00:01:40.159 So being two thousand and four, let's talk about the 28 00:01:40.200 --> 00:01:43.719 top events or the news events, the major news events 29 00:01:43.719 --> 00:01:47.359 so that year, unfortunately, we'll start with the Indian Ocean 30 00:01:47.359 --> 00:01:50.640 earthquake and tsunami. And we remember that, Yeah, I did. 31 00:01:50.680 --> 00:01:52.599 We did a bunch of fundraising for that, that's right. 32 00:01:52.680 --> 00:01:56.400 I remember Julie Lherman kind of spearheaded that she. 33 00:01:56.400 --> 00:02:01.359 Had friends in Bandahar right and needed help. Yeah, so 34 00:02:01.519 --> 00:02:03.680 they happened to be there. We're just wrapping up a 35 00:02:03.719 --> 00:02:06.959 charitable project when the tsunami and everyone needs a lot 36 00:02:06.959 --> 00:02:09.479 of help, and so we all dove in. We did 37 00:02:09.840 --> 00:02:13.199 a bunch of eBay auctions for time and resources and 38 00:02:13.240 --> 00:02:14.680 things like that and raised a lot of money. 39 00:02:14.759 --> 00:02:16.639 I think this might was am I wrong? Or is 40 00:02:16.680 --> 00:02:19.960 this one of the events that got you to consider 41 00:02:20.080 --> 00:02:21.919 doing the your charity? 42 00:02:22.120 --> 00:02:25.280 Yep, it's one of the catalysts of H two Box 43 00:02:25.439 --> 00:02:28.479 was watching what Julie was able to do, like she's 44 00:02:28.520 --> 00:02:29.840 such an inspiration mm hm. 45 00:02:30.400 --> 00:02:34.919 And we're talking about the humanitarian toolbox that Richard spearheaded. Okay, 46 00:02:35.000 --> 00:02:39.800 the Iraq war an insurgency escalation, So it didn't go 47 00:02:39.840 --> 00:02:40.479 well at first. 48 00:02:40.919 --> 00:02:44.879 No, Sadam is now gone right at that point, and 49 00:02:44.919 --> 00:02:48.199 now that comes the whole you broke it, you bought 50 00:02:48.240 --> 00:02:49.240 it phase. 51 00:02:49.159 --> 00:02:52.840 M Yeah, the Abu Grab prisoner abuse scandal. That was 52 00:02:52.879 --> 00:02:53.400 pretty bad. 53 00:02:53.719 --> 00:02:53.800 Ye. 54 00:02:54.240 --> 00:02:57.639 Madrid train bombings I remember this, Yeah, killed one hundred 55 00:02:57.639 --> 00:03:00.479 and ninety three people. I don't remember it having that 56 00:03:00.599 --> 00:03:03.840 big of a casualty number, but I guess it did. 57 00:03:04.439 --> 00:03:08.479 Trains are packed. Yeah, it was a right. Some more 58 00:03:08.520 --> 00:03:15.080 bad news. Darfur conflict escalated, big humanitarian crisis in Sudan. 59 00:03:16.280 --> 00:03:19.639 In the US, the presidential election of two thousand and four, 60 00:03:19.840 --> 00:03:22.919 George W. Bush defeated John Carry to win a second term. 61 00:03:23.280 --> 00:03:27.520 This September Eleventh Commission Report, which was a detailed report 62 00:03:27.560 --> 00:03:31.159 on the nine to eleven tax, the US Patriot Act 63 00:03:31.360 --> 00:03:36.400 reauthorization debates, so people were debating over civil liberties versus 64 00:03:36.560 --> 00:03:41.479 national security. NSA was big. And I remember interviewing Christian 65 00:03:41.520 --> 00:03:46.840 Bayer and he said NSA stands for no security anymore. 66 00:03:50.319 --> 00:03:54.120 Same sex marriage got legal in Massachusetts. Yeah, Mars. The 67 00:03:54.199 --> 00:03:58.240 Stewart went to jail. Yeah, and it wasn't even that much. 68 00:03:58.280 --> 00:04:00.919 It was like thirty grand or something something like that. Yeah, 69 00:04:00.960 --> 00:04:05.199 but insider trading is insider trading. The controversy over Mel 70 00:04:05.240 --> 00:04:09.039 Gibson's The Passion of the Christ boy, Oh Boy. And 71 00:04:09.280 --> 00:04:11.599 speaking of other movies, let's go through the top ten. 72 00:04:13.000 --> 00:04:17.360 National Treasure, which was a great fun movie. Nicholas Cage, 73 00:04:17.639 --> 00:04:21.120 Nicholas Cage. Yeah, Ocean's twelve, a bad Colooney, which was 74 00:04:21.160 --> 00:04:23.680 great at all. Think it was still pretty good. Shark Tale, 75 00:04:23.720 --> 00:04:25.399 which I never saw. 76 00:04:25.560 --> 00:04:27.000 But well you're not you don't have the little kids 77 00:04:27.000 --> 00:04:27.439 at that point. 78 00:04:27.519 --> 00:04:29.720 Well that's true, but I kind of still watched these 79 00:04:29.839 --> 00:04:34.279 big ones. Troy epic retelling of the Trojan War starring 80 00:04:34.279 --> 00:04:37.959 Brad Pitt. Brad Pitt is a gladiator. All the women's 81 00:04:38.000 --> 00:04:45.000 loved it. Day The Day after Tomorrow. I don't remember 82 00:04:45.040 --> 00:04:48.240 that one, but it was like a change global disaster film. 83 00:04:49.000 --> 00:04:51.199 And of course The Passion of the Christ to number five, 84 00:04:51.279 --> 00:04:53.759 The Incredibles number four. I did watch that and it 85 00:04:53.879 --> 00:04:58.600 was fun, fantastic, It was fun. And you know, my 86 00:04:58.680 --> 00:05:00.720 youngest daughter was only two years old, so I was 87 00:05:00.759 --> 00:05:05.920 watching these kind of things. Spider Man two. Okay, how 88 00:05:06.040 --> 00:05:08.680 much to say about that? Harry Potter and The Prisoner 89 00:05:08.759 --> 00:05:14.759 of Azba Khan Azkaban oz Kban. This is number two, 90 00:05:14.759 --> 00:05:17.240 and the number one grossing movie of two thousand and 91 00:05:17.279 --> 00:05:21.839 four is Shrek two. Yay, Shrek It again, Shrek and 92 00:05:21.920 --> 00:05:25.639 again and wow, I think Shrek and. 93 00:05:27.439 --> 00:05:28.959 Is it? Yeah? 94 00:05:29.199 --> 00:05:32.000 Shark Tail and Shrek were both from DreamWorks. Yeah, and 95 00:05:32.040 --> 00:05:34.399 they're both the number one, well in the top ten 96 00:05:34.560 --> 00:05:35.079 of that year. 97 00:05:35.480 --> 00:05:42.240 Awesome. Interesting forget what about Action's Janet Jackson's wardrobe malfunction. 98 00:05:42.439 --> 00:05:48.639 Wardrobe malfunction, Yes, at the at the power at Super Bowl. Yeah, 99 00:05:48.639 --> 00:05:50.240 we don't even remember the year, but that's what happened. 100 00:05:50.360 --> 00:05:53.160 The funniest part about that was her interview on Letterman 101 00:05:53.920 --> 00:05:57.240 the next day or whatever, and she was like, it 102 00:05:57.480 --> 00:06:04.560 just happened. I don't know, so I don't know. You 103 00:06:04.600 --> 00:06:07.959 guys got anything. I know, Richard, you've got space and technology. 104 00:06:08.000 --> 00:06:10.199 But Scott, do you remember anything about two thousand and 105 00:06:10.240 --> 00:06:11.079 four you want to share? 106 00:06:11.319 --> 00:06:14.319 Ah, Man, I don't know anything off hand. I mean 107 00:06:14.319 --> 00:06:17.439 I would have been a junior in high school at 108 00:06:17.439 --> 00:06:22.000 the time, but yeah, well that's an event. Yeah, it's 109 00:06:22.120 --> 00:06:24.040 almost done with high school all right, tell us about 110 00:06:24.040 --> 00:06:24.680 space and tech. 111 00:06:24.720 --> 00:06:27.279 Well, we're in the midst of the Columbia accident investigation. 112 00:06:28.079 --> 00:06:30.079 Columbia was lost in two thousand and three, so there's 113 00:06:30.120 --> 00:06:33.040 no Shuttle flying that year while the investigation's ongoing, and 114 00:06:33.079 --> 00:06:36.560 that means no additional building of the International Space Station easier. 115 00:06:36.639 --> 00:06:39.079 So the Russians are supporting the space station with progress 116 00:06:39.079 --> 00:06:42.480 and so used flights to bring cruise down. But there's 117 00:06:42.480 --> 00:06:44.399 plenty of other things going on at the time. The 118 00:06:44.839 --> 00:06:48.240 Stardust mission in January actually reaches Comet eighty one p 119 00:06:48.480 --> 00:06:51.800 wild and collects dust from a comet, which was its 120 00:06:51.839 --> 00:06:54.680 mission to return to the Earth, which is cool. Also 121 00:06:54.680 --> 00:06:59.439 in January, the Spirit Rover lands at the Gustev crater. 122 00:07:00.040 --> 00:07:04.439 Month later, the Opportunity Rover at Murdi and planum So 123 00:07:04.600 --> 00:07:09.600 and Nose rovers were designed to operate for ninety days. Yeah, 124 00:07:09.639 --> 00:07:12.560 and one lasted nine years and the other lasted fourteen. 125 00:07:13.040 --> 00:07:17.720 So for a variety of reasons, mostly to do with 126 00:07:18.120 --> 00:07:21.399 they got really good at understanding how the very thin 127 00:07:21.560 --> 00:07:25.480 atmosphere can actually kick up enough wind to blow the 128 00:07:25.600 --> 00:07:28.319 dust off the solar panels, and so they're able to 129 00:07:28.360 --> 00:07:30.959 keep clearing the solar panels off and keep the machines running. 130 00:07:31.199 --> 00:07:34.600 They loose spirit first, because it'll get stuck in sand 131 00:07:35.120 --> 00:07:38.000 at the wrong angle and ultimately we'll run out of power. 132 00:07:38.240 --> 00:07:40.160 The issue here for them primarily is to make sure 133 00:07:40.199 --> 00:07:43.240 they charged with the batteries enough to last overnight, because 134 00:07:43.279 --> 00:07:45.439 it gets very cold at night and equipment will freeze, 135 00:07:45.720 --> 00:07:47.560 and so you need to charge the batteries off solar 136 00:07:47.560 --> 00:07:50.560 panels to generate enough heat to be operational the next day, 137 00:07:50.639 --> 00:07:53.560 and so you're positioning before nightfall is super important. 138 00:07:53.560 --> 00:07:56.639 I remember doing a bit with Professor Schmackel on Mondays, 139 00:07:56.680 --> 00:07:59.240 which also started in two thousand and four. By the way, 140 00:07:59.319 --> 00:08:02.920 goodness forgot I left that one off the cultural list, Yeah, 141 00:08:03.120 --> 00:08:08.319 such as it is counter cultural, but yeah, I do 142 00:08:08.439 --> 00:08:10.040 remember that that happened. 143 00:08:10.040 --> 00:08:13.519 That was a big deal. Yeah. Also in two thousand 144 00:08:13.519 --> 00:08:16.319 and four, in June, the first flight of Spaceship one. 145 00:08:16.439 --> 00:08:20.279 This was Bert Rutan's technology trying to capture the Ansari prize. 146 00:08:20.480 --> 00:08:22.240 It's a subordable flight, but it does get above the 147 00:08:22.319 --> 00:08:25.480 Carmen line, and so Mike Melville becomes the first civilian 148 00:08:25.480 --> 00:08:29.160 astronaut ever in order to win the and sorry, prize, 149 00:08:29.279 --> 00:08:31.279 we'll have to do it again, which he will in 150 00:08:31.319 --> 00:08:37.240 September and so demonstrate that a reusable spacecraft. I mean, 151 00:08:37.240 --> 00:08:40.200 it's funny to think about, but in two thousand and 152 00:08:40.200 --> 00:08:42.240 four was an incredible breakthrough. Yeah. 153 00:08:42.399 --> 00:08:45.559 Wasn't the Shuttle supposed to be a reusable spacecraft? Is 154 00:08:45.600 --> 00:08:46.639 that what you're laughing about? 155 00:08:46.799 --> 00:08:49.720 Yes, it's also government not civilian. Yeah, And that was 156 00:08:49.759 --> 00:08:52.679 the whole point. Was privately funded, and that private funding 157 00:08:52.759 --> 00:08:56.600 was mostly Paul Allen. In July, the Cassini spacecraft, this 158 00:08:56.879 --> 00:09:01.000 bus size spacecraft flying to Saturn, reaches Saturday and gets 159 00:09:01.320 --> 00:09:03.120 into orbit round surround, the first thing to ever go 160 00:09:03.200 --> 00:09:06.080 into orbit around Saturn. And by December we'll release the 161 00:09:06.159 --> 00:09:09.159 Huygens probe onto Titan, the first time we'll ever soft 162 00:09:09.240 --> 00:09:10.919 land and the only time so far was soft landed 163 00:09:11.000 --> 00:09:11.679 anything on Titan. 164 00:09:11.759 --> 00:09:15.519 And Cassini also the name given by I think it 165 00:09:15.559 --> 00:09:17.240 was Scott gu three and team to the. 166 00:09:17.759 --> 00:09:21.759 Web server and visual studio. Okay, Cassini, there was a 167 00:09:21.759 --> 00:09:25.480 few of them. Messenger is the first spacecraft to go 168 00:09:25.480 --> 00:09:29.480 into orbit around Mercury. It launches in August of two 169 00:09:29.480 --> 00:09:31.200 thousand and four. It won't actually get into orbit around 170 00:09:31.200 --> 00:09:34.360 Mercury till twenty eleven seven years. It'll take longer than 171 00:09:34.399 --> 00:09:37.240 it takes Cassini to get to Jupiter because it needs 172 00:09:37.279 --> 00:09:40.759 to slow down so much to actually be able to 173 00:09:40.799 --> 00:09:44.519 be captured by Mercury that it'll do a flyby of Earth, 174 00:09:44.600 --> 00:09:47.879 two fly bys of Venus, and three flybys of Mercury 175 00:09:48.519 --> 00:09:50.600 to slow itself down enough to finally be captured by 176 00:09:50.639 --> 00:09:53.480 Mercury twenty eleven, and it'll do a complete map of 177 00:09:53.480 --> 00:09:55.720 Mercury and a bunch of further cool mission. 178 00:09:55.759 --> 00:09:59.840 See scientists, real folks, it's tricky laws of physics. Yeah, 179 00:10:00.120 --> 00:10:01.000 not just a good idea. 180 00:10:01.120 --> 00:10:03.759 And as you get closer to the Sun, it accelerates 181 00:10:03.759 --> 00:10:07.480 you a lot, so scrapping speed is hard. Finally, in December, 182 00:10:07.559 --> 00:10:11.000 Voyage Year one, launched in seventy seven or seventy nine, 183 00:10:11.639 --> 00:10:15.399 reaches the termination shock. That's the point at which the 184 00:10:15.440 --> 00:10:19.440 solar wind being pressed out from our star is pushed 185 00:10:19.480 --> 00:10:23.679 back by the interstellar wind, and so he crosses through 186 00:10:23.720 --> 00:10:27.279 that and we get new information from it. So that's 187 00:10:27.320 --> 00:10:29.440 all we get from space. Let's talk a little bit 188 00:10:29.440 --> 00:10:31.000 on the compute side, because I find I feel like 189 00:10:31.000 --> 00:10:33.759 two thousand and four is more important year than you realize. Okay, 190 00:10:33.840 --> 00:10:36.720 I would argue that this is the year that we 191 00:10:36.759 --> 00:10:39.799 recover from the dot com boom, Right, So, I mean 192 00:10:39.799 --> 00:10:41.360 the dot com boom it sort of ended in two 193 00:10:41.360 --> 00:10:43.360 thousand and one, and all the money it sort of disappeared. 194 00:10:43.360 --> 00:10:45.440 It's not like the web or anything went away. But 195 00:10:45.720 --> 00:10:49.519 I would argue that the harbinger event was Google's IPO, 196 00:10:50.600 --> 00:10:52.720 So they you know, had been born during the dot 197 00:10:52.799 --> 00:10:54.519 com boom, but they were in one of the companies 198 00:10:54.519 --> 00:10:57.840 that did not fail became the fundamental search tool of 199 00:10:57.879 --> 00:11:01.320 all time arguably still is today, and they were essentially 200 00:11:01.360 --> 00:11:03.440 forced to IPO they had too many shareholders and the 201 00:11:03.480 --> 00:11:07.240 SEC required it, so that they went somewhat reluctantly, but 202 00:11:07.360 --> 00:11:10.039 the response by the market was very positive. It's sort 203 00:11:10.080 --> 00:11:14.840 of the first good news about the web post dot com. 204 00:11:15.279 --> 00:11:17.320 This is also the year that O'Riley starts their Web 205 00:11:17.360 --> 00:11:21.360 two point zero conference where they talk about the focus 206 00:11:21.399 --> 00:11:25.399 on user contributed content things like wikis and blogs and 207 00:11:26.039 --> 00:11:28.240 ultimately social media, so how that comes from that. And 208 00:11:28.240 --> 00:11:31.879 speaking of social media, this is the year that a 209 00:11:31.919 --> 00:11:35.320 young Harvard student named Mark Zuckerberg starts a website called 210 00:11:35.679 --> 00:11:39.360 the Facebook. The Facebook. Oh, and also speaking of Google, 211 00:11:39.440 --> 00:11:42.320 on April first, they launch Gmail and everybody thinks it's 212 00:11:42.320 --> 00:11:45.120 a joke. Yeah, yeah, why I remember you had to 213 00:11:45.480 --> 00:11:47.759 thinking you had to be invited to that program. Yeah, 214 00:11:47.759 --> 00:11:49.799 that's right. It was the longest beta ever and just 215 00:11:49.879 --> 00:11:52.759 kept going and going and going. That turned out for them. 216 00:11:53.000 --> 00:11:56.360 On the Intel side, Intel final delivers the EM sixty 217 00:11:56.399 --> 00:11:58.559 four t on a Xenon. This is based on Dave 218 00:11:58.639 --> 00:12:01.919 Cutler's Windows on Windows mindset of like can we make 219 00:12:01.960 --> 00:12:04.039 sixty four bit process? It'll run thirty two bit properly. 220 00:12:04.039 --> 00:12:06.559 It actually makes sixty four come true because it has 221 00:12:06.639 --> 00:12:10.720 become the Itanic and so the Zenon No Kona is 222 00:12:10.759 --> 00:12:14.320 sort of the first towards that Cutler had actually worked 223 00:12:14.320 --> 00:12:17.480 with AMD first. So AMD had solved this problem and 224 00:12:17.480 --> 00:12:19.519 now Intel was playing catch up. One would argue this 225 00:12:19.559 --> 00:12:22.320 is the point where Intel really fell behind. Two thousand 226 00:12:22.320 --> 00:12:25.759 and four, the year of XP s P two. Oh boy, 227 00:12:25.799 --> 00:12:28.440 what a year that was. Yeah, one would argue the 228 00:12:28.519 --> 00:12:31.720 setup for the debacle that becomes Vista. You know, The 229 00:12:31.840 --> 00:12:34.000 argument here is that it was a breaking change to 230 00:12:34.080 --> 00:12:36.840 Windows XP, so it should have been XP version two. 231 00:12:37.720 --> 00:12:40.240 But in back in those days, you charged for a 232 00:12:40.279 --> 00:12:42.960 new version of an operating system, and Microsoft rannted everybody 233 00:12:42.960 --> 00:12:45.080 to install SP two, So making it a service pack 234 00:12:45.360 --> 00:12:47.080 was the right thing to do from a let's get 235 00:12:47.080 --> 00:12:50.600 this security out into the world perspective, but with lots 236 00:12:50.600 --> 00:12:54.039 of long term consequences from that yep. Two thou four 237 00:12:54.200 --> 00:12:57.240 is the year of the final version of fox Pro 238 00:12:57.399 --> 00:13:00.159 visual fox Pro nine, which had been booted out a 239 00:13:00.279 --> 00:13:03.679 visual studio as a visual Studio dot net in two 240 00:13:03.720 --> 00:13:05.600 thousand and two. It's now living on its own, and 241 00:13:05.639 --> 00:13:07.519 this is the final version of they will Ship. Beth 242 00:13:07.600 --> 00:13:10.600 Massy wasn't happy, No, none of the They can't really 243 00:13:10.600 --> 00:13:12.960 blame him, it's fair now. Two thousand and four is 244 00:13:13.000 --> 00:13:16.720 the year that Miguel diac has a Ship's the first 245 00:13:16.799 --> 00:13:20.039 version of Mono. He'd announced it in two thousand and 246 00:13:20.080 --> 00:13:22.960 one at another O'Reilly conference that he thought it was 247 00:13:23.000 --> 00:13:25.879 a good idea and effectively destroyed his career because all 248 00:13:25.919 --> 00:13:27.799 the Microsoft people are like, are you that Linux guy? 249 00:13:27.879 --> 00:13:29.799 And all thewis people are like, don't you work with 250 00:13:29.879 --> 00:13:35.120 Microsoft technology? So he couldn't win. It's hard to be Miguel, 251 00:13:35.279 --> 00:13:37.799 But yeah, that's the first time Mona comes out. Another 252 00:13:38.159 --> 00:13:44.159 important open source product Ruby on rails. In July, David 253 00:13:44.559 --> 00:13:48.840 Heinemeier Hansen DHH, who is a very controversial figure today, 254 00:13:49.000 --> 00:13:53.840 certainly guy behind base Camp. Takes an old language from 255 00:13:53.840 --> 00:13:55.919 the nineties Ruby that nobody cared all that much about, 256 00:13:56.000 --> 00:13:58.879 combines it with a scaffolding he calls rails and makes 257 00:13:58.919 --> 00:14:01.960 a phenomenal an old web tool, and again we talk 258 00:14:02.000 --> 00:14:05.279 about the rebirth of the web, reinterest in the web. 259 00:14:05.720 --> 00:14:09.679 Ruby all rails became this incredible prototyping tool for building 260 00:14:09.720 --> 00:14:13.200 websites fast. Yeah. People thought of it as like visual 261 00:14:13.200 --> 00:14:15.679 basic for the web. Yeah really, and you know, build 262 00:14:15.679 --> 00:14:17.360 it up, tear it down, just give data off you go. 263 00:14:17.440 --> 00:14:19.960 It was amazing. And I'm gonna mention two games only 264 00:14:19.960 --> 00:14:22.960 because I think they're profoundly important in gaming even today. 265 00:14:23.399 --> 00:14:26.279 This is the year that World of Warcraft launches under Blizzard, 266 00:14:26.600 --> 00:14:30.159 so that massive multiplayer game. It's still ongoing today. Wow 267 00:14:30.200 --> 00:14:35.000 and Wow from Valve Half Life two, and that's all 268 00:14:35.000 --> 00:14:35.320 I got. 269 00:14:35.360 --> 00:14:37.679 All right, I got I got one from two thousand 270 00:14:37.679 --> 00:14:41.240 and four tech related me. Firefox got released. 271 00:14:41.720 --> 00:14:45.159 So yeah, they they came out. It was no longer Phoenix, 272 00:14:45.679 --> 00:14:47.519 right as the first version was called Phoenix. Then they 273 00:14:47.519 --> 00:14:49.879 found oh you can't call it Phoenix, so they rebranded 274 00:14:49.919 --> 00:14:51.240 as Firefox. In two thousand and four. 275 00:14:51.480 --> 00:14:54.360 Yeah, and I don't think Firebug wasn't out at the time, 276 00:14:54.440 --> 00:14:57.480 but I did credit Firefox for like the developer tools 277 00:14:57.519 --> 00:15:00.000 that we have today in inspiring that with fire firebugg. 278 00:15:00.519 --> 00:15:03.519 So what about Firebase. Was that part of that whole 279 00:15:03.639 --> 00:15:05.600 thing or is that a separate thing part of the 280 00:15:05.600 --> 00:15:06.279 suite as well? 281 00:15:06.559 --> 00:15:08.759 All right, you're right. It does tie you into my 282 00:15:08.840 --> 00:15:12.559 larger message of this is the webabilitating because what the 283 00:15:12.720 --> 00:15:15.759 Mozilla Foundation was doing was building real dev tools for 284 00:15:15.799 --> 00:15:18.679 web devs. You weren't just hacking away like your ability 285 00:15:18.720 --> 00:15:21.279 to work in fire I was not necessarily a Firewok 286 00:15:21.399 --> 00:15:24.639 Fox fan, but if you had to build a web 287 00:15:24.679 --> 00:15:26.519 page and you weren't using Firefox, you were just torturing 288 00:15:26.559 --> 00:15:30.720 yourself like they figured out all F twelve before everybody else. Yep, yeah, 289 00:15:30.919 --> 00:15:33.559 like that's where that came from. Good enough that everybody 290 00:15:33.559 --> 00:15:36.000 copied it. All right, are we ready for better? No framework, 291 00:15:36.240 --> 00:15:38.679 Let's do the thing with the stuff, roll the music? 292 00:15:46.240 --> 00:15:46.639 All right, man? 293 00:15:46.639 --> 00:15:47.519 What do you got? All right? 294 00:15:47.559 --> 00:15:50.919 Well, although he didn't write it, our friend Simon Kropp 295 00:15:51.000 --> 00:15:52.120 brought this to my attention. 296 00:15:52.559 --> 00:15:55.919 I'm shocked Shock has done. This is cool. 297 00:15:56.000 --> 00:16:00.600 This is a Windows Defender performance tool interesting. It's a 298 00:16:00.639 --> 00:16:04.879 dot net application that monitors Windows Defender ETW events and 299 00:16:05.000 --> 00:16:09.399 visualizes scan durations in real time using a stacked bar chart. 300 00:16:09.879 --> 00:16:15.120 It can also visualize snapshots recorded offline with the PowerShell 301 00:16:15.120 --> 00:16:20.799 command lit and so listens to the Anti Malware Engine 302 00:16:21.480 --> 00:16:26.559 stream scan request tasks, stop ETW events, displays the scan 303 00:16:27.120 --> 00:16:29.759 durations per process, and a stacked bar chart. This is 304 00:16:29.799 --> 00:16:32.519 all real time. You can drag and drop files or 305 00:16:32.559 --> 00:16:34.840 folders onto the window to trigger an immediate scan of 306 00:16:34.879 --> 00:16:38.600 the dropped items and export to CSB when more than 307 00:16:38.639 --> 00:16:42.879 one snapshot is dragged to the window. It's all I know. 308 00:16:43.200 --> 00:16:47.159 It looks really cool. It's MIT licensed, and you know that. 309 00:16:47.360 --> 00:16:48.080 I think. 310 00:16:49.399 --> 00:16:56.080 There's an urgency about knowing what threats are out there 311 00:16:56.200 --> 00:16:58.879 as soon as possible, because by the time you see it, 312 00:16:58.919 --> 00:16:59.559 you're vulnerable. 313 00:17:00.000 --> 00:17:02.799 ILS argue that people blame Defender for performance problems all 314 00:17:02.799 --> 00:17:05.039 the time, and this is a tool that surfaces this 315 00:17:05.119 --> 00:17:06.799 is what Defender's actually doing. Yep. 316 00:17:06.920 --> 00:17:09.519 So it's very very cool. And Defender should always be on. 317 00:17:09.640 --> 00:17:11.720 If you ask me, that's you have to fight to 318 00:17:11.759 --> 00:17:12.240 turn it off. 319 00:17:12.279 --> 00:17:14.119 Yeah, right, And it's on by default mostly you know, 320 00:17:14.279 --> 00:17:16.200 the average mortal has it on, doesn't even know it 321 00:17:16.279 --> 00:17:19.000 doesn't even know, right, I think for us in dev, 322 00:17:19.039 --> 00:17:21.480 because we torture our machines, so you're often looking for 323 00:17:21.519 --> 00:17:23.839 like what's eating up all the resources? And let's be clear, 324 00:17:24.559 --> 00:17:28.880 you dump, especially new executables that you have generated that 325 00:17:28.960 --> 00:17:32.119 are unsigned. You trigger a defender when you do that, 326 00:17:32.480 --> 00:17:34.799 and sometimes those things can really hit a lot of cycles. 327 00:17:34.880 --> 00:17:40.240 Yeah, so hats off to Alexander Eulatin for putting this 328 00:17:40.359 --> 00:17:40.799 out there. 329 00:17:41.920 --> 00:17:45.039 Go get it. I'm gonna awesome. So who's talking to 330 00:17:45.160 --> 00:17:48.279 us today? Richard grad to comment off a show two thousand? 331 00:17:48.559 --> 00:17:48.960 Wow. 332 00:17:49.079 --> 00:17:51.200 Yeah, we published two thousand episodes. When do you know 333 00:17:51.359 --> 00:17:54.279 what a great show? And Aaron Old said, this podcast 334 00:17:54.279 --> 00:17:58.200 has been my longest continually listened to podcasts. The information 335 00:17:58.279 --> 00:17:59.960 that you have shared has been instrument to my twenty 336 00:18:00.079 --> 00:18:02.680 five plus year career in dot net. I remember the 337 00:18:02.720 --> 00:18:05.000 first time that one of my comments was read on 338 00:18:05.079 --> 00:18:07.519 the air. I was driving to work and I had 339 00:18:07.559 --> 00:18:09.359 to pull off on the road in the parking lot 340 00:18:09.400 --> 00:18:11.799 and listen to Richard read my comment. I was so excited. 341 00:18:12.160 --> 00:18:15.039 I do hope you guys continue to do the good work. Yeah, well, 342 00:18:15.039 --> 00:18:18.599 there you go eron, I read another one, so don't crash. 343 00:18:18.880 --> 00:18:21.240 Yeah right, it's gonna be fine, it's gonna be fun. 344 00:18:21.279 --> 00:18:23.920 Everything's okay. Yeah, and thanks so much for sticking with us, 345 00:18:23.960 --> 00:18:28.000 because we've been we're still doing this thing somehow Sometimes 346 00:18:28.039 --> 00:18:30.640 I wonder how all right? Yeah, two thousand shows in 347 00:18:31.039 --> 00:18:32.319 so thank you so much for your comment. And a 348 00:18:32.359 --> 00:18:33.960 copy of music co buy is on its way to you. 349 00:18:34.079 --> 00:18:35.759 And if you'd like copy of musicobe I read a 350 00:18:35.799 --> 00:18:37.720 comment on the website at dot NetRocks dot com or 351 00:18:37.759 --> 00:18:39.799 on the facebooks publish every show there. And if you 352 00:18:39.799 --> 00:18:41.319 comment there and to reading the show, well, I do 353 00:18:41.279 --> 00:18:41.880 you copy music? 354 00:18:41.960 --> 00:18:43.920 Go buy music to code by dot net if you 355 00:18:43.960 --> 00:18:46.559 want to just go get it? Okay, nice, go get it. 356 00:18:46.599 --> 00:18:47.000 Good link. 357 00:18:48.440 --> 00:18:52.240 So let's introduce Scott. You heard from him before just 358 00:18:52.359 --> 00:18:54.960 recently a couple of things. Scott Sober is the director 359 00:18:55.000 --> 00:18:59.200 of Engineering at Lean Techniques, a consultancy of about one 360 00:18:59.279 --> 00:19:02.799 hundred and seventy people based in the Midwest. Besides advising 361 00:19:02.839 --> 00:19:05.519 clients and delivering solutions for them, he enjoys helping teams 362 00:19:05.559 --> 00:19:10.759 realize their potential through technical practices and working more effectively together. 363 00:19:11.279 --> 00:19:16.000 He's a Microsoft MVP a Redgate Community Ambassador, international speaker, 364 00:19:16.200 --> 00:19:19.720 dome train author. He co organizes the Iowa dot Net 365 00:19:19.799 --> 00:19:23.119 User group and co organizes the Iowa Code Camp. You 366 00:19:23.160 --> 00:19:27.640 can find him pretty much anywhere online at Scottsaber. Welcome Scott. 367 00:19:27.680 --> 00:19:30.119 Yeah, thanks for having me, guys, first time, right it is. 368 00:19:30.279 --> 00:19:32.759 It is my first time. So excited to be here. 369 00:19:33.279 --> 00:19:36.680 Awesome. We've seen each other at the conferences for many, 370 00:19:36.720 --> 00:19:39.480 many years, so sorry about that. Shouldn't have been this lot, 371 00:19:39.599 --> 00:19:42.880 But I think his talk You've got is really cool, 372 00:19:42.960 --> 00:19:45.359 Like it's such a good idea to just sort of 373 00:19:45.480 --> 00:19:47.720 have a I gues you call it a checklist of 374 00:19:47.880 --> 00:19:49.680 things you're going to do in a dot net app. 375 00:19:49.759 --> 00:19:53.079 Yeah, totally, and uh yeah, just fair warning. This might 376 00:19:53.119 --> 00:19:54.799 be a little bit of a dense show of just 377 00:19:55.240 --> 00:19:58.519 random fire of different tips, but hopefully people will be 378 00:19:58.519 --> 00:20:00.680 able to walk away with something that they and literally 379 00:20:00.880 --> 00:20:03.200 take and apply immediately after the show. 380 00:20:03.440 --> 00:20:04.960 So it's called nutritional value. 381 00:20:05.200 --> 00:20:11.720 Unlike what we just did for the last twenty minutes. 382 00:20:10.200 --> 00:20:16.240 Dark here comes to Broccoli, right, Yeah, well where do 383 00:20:16.319 --> 00:20:16.640 we start? 384 00:20:16.680 --> 00:20:17.680 All right? All right? 385 00:20:17.759 --> 00:20:21.440 You go, Yeah, so probably one of the first things 386 00:20:21.480 --> 00:20:23.319 I talked about, and I know you guys have had 387 00:20:23.359 --> 00:20:26.160 people on the show talking about this topic is around 388 00:20:26.200 --> 00:20:30.559 feature folders. So I'm a big fan of organizing my 389 00:20:30.680 --> 00:20:34.480 code around feature folders as opposed to the traditional kind 390 00:20:34.519 --> 00:20:37.839 of way. So to kind of talk through that, a 391 00:20:37.880 --> 00:20:39.680 lot of people are familiar with, like you know, you 392 00:20:39.759 --> 00:20:42.119 might have like a data project or like you know, 393 00:20:42.240 --> 00:20:46.400 repository services, and like those all kind of live in 394 00:20:46.480 --> 00:20:50.799 different folders. You know, if you're doing NBC and rendering 395 00:20:50.839 --> 00:20:53.039 that on the server, you got like your views folder, 396 00:20:53.039 --> 00:20:55.279 your controllers folder, models folder. 397 00:20:55.640 --> 00:20:59.359 And just the way you don't look for anything exactly right. 398 00:20:59.480 --> 00:21:01.680 Yeah, So anytime you need to add a feature, you 399 00:21:01.720 --> 00:21:04.880 got to go touch upwards of you know, five ten 400 00:21:04.960 --> 00:21:07.240 folders just to add a feature. And if you want 401 00:21:07.240 --> 00:21:09.319