WEBVTT 1 00:00:01.720 --> 00:00:03.799 Okay, we are alive. Hi, this is William Ramsey. Welcome 2 00:00:03.839 --> 00:00:06.080 to William Ramsey investigates on today's show. Have a very 3 00:00:06.120 --> 00:00:10.240 special friend coming to us from the UK. His name 4 00:00:10.400 --> 00:00:13.039 is Dennis Ingram I n G R AM and he 5 00:00:13.080 --> 00:00:17.440 operates on YouTube. You're watching this on Rock Finn Rumble 6 00:00:18.320 --> 00:00:22.320 or ex boom Er Black Sheep, you'll see that YouTube channel. 7 00:00:22.320 --> 00:00:25.920 He's done a lot of original work on the sixties, 8 00:00:25.960 --> 00:00:28.839 something in an era that I'm very interested in because 9 00:00:28.879 --> 00:00:31.960 so much change happened during that time. And you can 10 00:00:32.000 --> 00:00:36.159 read kind of his approach right there on the YouTube, 11 00:00:36.280 --> 00:00:39.759 kind of front piece, and it's as basically, there was 12 00:00:39.799 --> 00:00:44.560 a revolution in social norms, including clothing, music, dress, sexuality, formalities, 13 00:00:44.560 --> 00:00:47.439 civil rights, precepts of civil and military duty, and schooling. 14 00:00:47.960 --> 00:00:50.320 In the United Kingdom, especially London, the land that spawned 15 00:00:50.320 --> 00:00:54.079 the Beatlemania, was called the Swinging sisc sixties, and in 16 00:00:54.119 --> 00:00:56.520 the United States, no small thanks to the British invasion, 17 00:00:56.560 --> 00:00:59.719 the sixties were also called the Cultural decade. So he 18 00:00:59.799 --> 00:01:03.280 has some alternative views. He also has the substack page, 19 00:01:03.520 --> 00:01:06.000 but you can check out and a lot of great 20 00:01:06.079 --> 00:01:07.959 videos on a bunch of different subjects. But I came 21 00:01:07.959 --> 00:01:11.319 across him when the Paul is Dead bid kind of subject. 22 00:01:11.400 --> 00:01:14.000 We were talking in the pre show that I've done. 23 00:01:14.359 --> 00:01:16.599 I was telling him I've done I think four shows 24 00:01:16.760 --> 00:01:21.120 with four authors, Mike Williams, Sage of Quay, Tina Foster, 25 00:01:21.959 --> 00:01:26.599 I had Claire Coon Cooney, Coohen and the most recent book, 26 00:01:27.200 --> 00:01:29.640 I think it was Marston or whatever her last name was. 27 00:01:29.680 --> 00:01:32.959 But that was another Paul is Dead kind of subject, 28 00:01:33.480 --> 00:01:35.799 and we're going to talk more about that. The title 29 00:01:35.799 --> 00:01:39.840 of this working title is the Maze of Facebook Paul's 30 00:01:39.879 --> 00:01:41.799 Dead Groups, So we're going to kind of talk about 31 00:01:41.799 --> 00:01:45.400 there's a lot of acrimony and friction between other researchers. 32 00:01:45.439 --> 00:01:47.159 We're going to kind of get into that. So Dennis, 33 00:01:47.200 --> 00:01:47.920 welcome to the show. 34 00:01:48.319 --> 00:01:49.640 Thank you very much for having me. 35 00:01:49.920 --> 00:01:52.319 Excellent. So, people who may not have heard of bloom 36 00:01:52.400 --> 00:01:54.200 or Blacksheet, maybe you can talk about your background. You 37 00:01:54.200 --> 00:01:56.480 said you were posting a lot on Facebook and kind 38 00:01:56.480 --> 00:01:58.640 of what led up to your involvement in the Paula's 39 00:01:58.640 --> 00:01:59.480 Dead groups. 40 00:02:00.239 --> 00:02:06.239 I started out by accident. I was looking for a 41 00:02:06.280 --> 00:02:09.840 new episode of The Higher Side Chats and Veritas on 42 00:02:10.199 --> 00:02:14.960 YouTube and stumbled across the first interview with Dave McGowan 43 00:02:15.960 --> 00:02:19.479 about he was being interviewed about his weird Scenes inside 44 00:02:19.479 --> 00:02:23.039 the Canyon book. And one book led to another, and 45 00:02:23.240 --> 00:02:27.120 like stepping stones, it led from two English authors, Nick 46 00:02:27.159 --> 00:02:32.759 Colostrom and Mark Devlin and onto Mike Williams, and from 47 00:02:33.080 --> 00:02:36.240 there on in I read the Memoirs of Billy Shears, 48 00:02:37.479 --> 00:02:42.120 and it just so coincided with the first lockdown in 49 00:02:42.159 --> 00:02:48.080 England twenty twenty and the pandemic, and so I had 50 00:02:48.439 --> 00:02:51.120 enforced time on my hand, and so I started to 51 00:02:51.479 --> 00:02:58.120 research the claims in the Memoirs of Billy Shears, and 52 00:02:58.719 --> 00:03:04.319 one of those claims that the Beatles all had four doubles. 53 00:03:05.960 --> 00:03:08.319 So the claim is they're all doubles. So not even 54 00:03:08.439 --> 00:03:11.360 just that Paul McCartney's a double, but these people have doubles. 55 00:03:11.639 --> 00:03:15.080 What did you what's your conclusion about that claim? 56 00:03:15.599 --> 00:03:18.039 Well, I started and I started to look at it, 57 00:03:18.199 --> 00:03:22.439 and I took my time to look, and having listened 58 00:03:22.520 --> 00:03:27.680 to having followed Mike Williams on YouTube, I decided I 59 00:03:27.800 --> 00:03:32.599 joined my first Facebook group, the pid Facebook group, because 60 00:03:32.680 --> 00:03:35.319 people were saying, well, the guests on his show was 61 00:03:35.360 --> 00:03:38.840 saying that there is no conflict. People can have their 62 00:03:38.840 --> 00:03:42.759 own ideas and exchange views. But it wasn't quite how 63 00:03:42.800 --> 00:03:46.000 it worked out for me. I should have observed more 64 00:03:46.039 --> 00:03:50.159 before I posted what I thought was my research and 65 00:03:50.199 --> 00:03:54.199 a convincing argument, And what I found was that more 66 00:03:54.240 --> 00:04:00.240 and more people were posting montages, comparative photo montage as 67 00:04:00.360 --> 00:04:03.919 just showing Billy as he is, called the Paul McCartney, 68 00:04:04.000 --> 00:04:07.360 the so called imposta who took over the role of 69 00:04:07.400 --> 00:04:12.080 Paul McCartney after September nineteen sixty six, and comparing him 70 00:04:12.120 --> 00:04:16.519 to photos of the pre nineteen sixty six pool What 71 00:04:16.680 --> 00:04:19.839 I found was that the pre nineteen sixty six pools 72 00:04:20.399 --> 00:04:21.759 didn't all look the same. 73 00:04:23.439 --> 00:04:26.399 Wow. That's incredible. It's interesting that we're doing this because 74 00:04:26.439 --> 00:04:28.279 I just did a show on the GfK. We just 75 00:04:28.399 --> 00:04:31.639 passed here in the States the GFKE anniversary in tons 76 00:04:31.639 --> 00:04:35.680 of doubles, So you see this kind of intelligence, strange 77 00:04:35.720 --> 00:04:39.759 cultural overlap. There were doubles of Oswald, there's no question 78 00:04:39.800 --> 00:04:42.519 about it. But this is something weird and it kind 79 00:04:42.560 --> 00:04:45.839 of makes you think that there's the intelligence ties to 80 00:04:45.879 --> 00:04:50.519 the Beatles, right, So, I mean you've talked about that, right, Yeah. 81 00:04:52.199 --> 00:04:55.000 It was quite by accident really that I found that 82 00:04:55.040 --> 00:04:58.759 the pre sixty six pools didn't look the same. I 83 00:04:58.839 --> 00:05:03.839 used the typical pointers that the CIA used, looking at 84 00:05:03.879 --> 00:05:07.759 different ears ear lob shapes, whether the earlobs are attached 85 00:05:07.839 --> 00:05:12.079 or unattached by the way Memoirs of Billy Shears is incorrect. 86 00:05:12.439 --> 00:05:16.199 It is that everyone who plays Paul McCartney has got 87 00:05:16.319 --> 00:05:21.120 unattached ear lobs. But the people who are trying to 88 00:05:21.160 --> 00:05:23.319 prove to me and they are correct. There is a 89 00:05:23.319 --> 00:05:27.639 difference between pre sixty six September sixty six Paul and 90 00:05:28.199 --> 00:05:31.680 post sixty six Paul that otherwise known as Billy. There 91 00:05:31.720 --> 00:05:35.439 are massive differences that anybody can see, but there are 92 00:05:35.519 --> 00:05:39.759 also very subtle differences between the pools leading up to 93 00:05:39.839 --> 00:05:42.319 that date, and their ears do not match. 94 00:05:43.480 --> 00:05:47.120 It's incredible. I mean, so they had doubles even before 95 00:05:47.240 --> 00:05:50.279 sixty eight, So what lead do you think that there 96 00:05:50.279 --> 00:05:53.800 were other doubles for the other three members of the Beatles. 97 00:05:54.160 --> 00:05:58.839 I don't. Look. The thing is with Lenin, and because 98 00:05:58.879 --> 00:06:01.839 it's all about whether he was shot and whether that 99 00:06:01.959 --> 00:06:04.160 was somebody else it was faked, and all the rest 100 00:06:04.160 --> 00:06:08.720 of it. I'm certainly not a Lenin expert, but if 101 00:06:08.720 --> 00:06:12.800 you look at Lenin's nose, then there are massive changes 102 00:06:12.920 --> 00:06:17.079 in it being hooked and bent over. Some would say, oh, 103 00:06:17.120 --> 00:06:21.160 well he's been operated on because of cocaine use and 104 00:06:21.199 --> 00:06:24.279 so on, But there is a big jump even from 105 00:06:24.399 --> 00:06:28.160 nineteen sixty six to sixty seven and the Magical Mystery 106 00:06:28.160 --> 00:06:33.120 Tour Lenin so then it starts to become hooked. Whether 107 00:06:33.120 --> 00:06:35.920 it's prosthetics for the Magical Mystery Tour, I don't know, 108 00:06:36.000 --> 00:06:36.720 but he's different. 109 00:06:38.199 --> 00:06:40.279 Wow, that's incredible. What do you think the purpose of 110 00:06:40.319 --> 00:06:41.279 all these doubles was? 111 00:06:43.240 --> 00:06:47.600 I think from a logical point of view, if you 112 00:06:47.680 --> 00:06:51.519 look at the touring schedule of the band just in 113 00:06:51.639 --> 00:06:55.920 nineteen sixty three in England, when they're basically trying to 114 00:06:55.959 --> 00:07:03.000 make it, if you look at the live performances, miming performances, 115 00:07:03.079 --> 00:07:06.480 it's just absolutely one thing after the other. I don't 116 00:07:06.519 --> 00:07:10.000 think anybody could humanly play, even if it's only two 117 00:07:10.040 --> 00:07:12.879 sets of twenty five minutes. I don't think that they 118 00:07:12.920 --> 00:07:16.399 could bust in a van from one town to the 119 00:07:16.439 --> 00:07:19.839 other without having somebody step in and help out with 120 00:07:19.959 --> 00:07:22.560 interviews for instance, and miming on TV. 121 00:07:24.560 --> 00:07:28.160 Wow incredible, So does that can know? I mean, can 122 00:07:28.199 --> 00:07:31.720 you deduce them from all that information that these guys 123 00:07:31.720 --> 00:07:36.160 were handled. It wasn't just some four friends from Liverpool 124 00:07:36.279 --> 00:07:37.040 or something like that. 125 00:07:38.439 --> 00:07:41.759 This is always a difficult one and it's about the 126 00:07:41.879 --> 00:07:47.399 term manufactured. What is manufactured? If you look at other bands, 127 00:07:48.160 --> 00:07:51.160 some members have been dropped out quite early on because 128 00:07:51.199 --> 00:07:55.319 it's a face doesn't fit factor. The Small Faces got 129 00:07:55.439 --> 00:07:58.000 rid of their keyboard player, not literally, they didn't bump 130 00:07:58.079 --> 00:08:02.000 him off, but they fired him and brought in the 131 00:08:02.480 --> 00:08:07.759 Ian McLagan, and that's probably because he was tall. With 132 00:08:07.879 --> 00:08:10.560 Pete Best, he looked like a rocker and all the 133 00:08:10.600 --> 00:08:13.680 girls like Pete Best, and I rather think that they 134 00:08:14.199 --> 00:08:18.079 perhaps shows that Paul McCartney would be the baby faced 135 00:08:18.560 --> 00:08:20.959 darling of the band, so we can't have that sort 136 00:08:21.000 --> 00:08:26.360 of other image competing with him. So yes, there's manipulation 137 00:08:26.560 --> 00:08:31.959 there rather than manufacturing, I think. Right. 138 00:08:32.080 --> 00:08:35.600 So, I mean you've kind of went through the PIDA. 139 00:08:35.679 --> 00:08:37.799 You went down and looked at all these old pictures 140 00:08:37.840 --> 00:08:39.519 and things like that, and that's how you came to 141 00:08:39.519 --> 00:08:43.759 this conclusion that whereas these other PID researchers set a 142 00:08:43.840 --> 00:08:48.480 date of like September October sixty six, you say that 143 00:08:49.720 --> 00:08:51.080 it goes all the way. Do you think it goes 144 00:08:51.120 --> 00:08:52.840 all the way back to the beginning of the Beatles. 145 00:08:52.840 --> 00:08:57.200 These doubles, I think there's at least two to start 146 00:08:57.240 --> 00:08:59.879 off with that just don't look the same, and that's 147 00:09:00.039 --> 00:09:05.120 looking at old cavern pictures. The thing is about this 148 00:09:05.159 --> 00:09:10.039 is all photographically based. It's all based on photographs. And 149 00:09:10.080 --> 00:09:14.000 the orthodox pid is that the orthodox I mean those 150 00:09:14.039 --> 00:09:17.720 who believe there is one and only one Paul McCartney 151 00:09:17.759 --> 00:09:24.399 before September sixty six and one impostcle Billy afterwards. They 152 00:09:24.679 --> 00:09:30.600 like to use photographs that they adore on Facebook groups, 153 00:09:30.639 --> 00:09:34.519 particular Facebook groups. They will look at photos after photos 154 00:09:34.559 --> 00:09:39.039 after photo of Paul McCartney before nineteen sixty six and 155 00:09:39.080 --> 00:09:42.360 not notice that there are any differences. But if you 156 00:09:42.480 --> 00:09:46.440 use the same photographs and say, well, actually this guy 157 00:09:46.519 --> 00:09:49.240 here has got different ears to this one here, they 158 00:09:49.399 --> 00:09:54.879 will accuse you of manipulating the photograph. I've been invested 159 00:09:54.960 --> 00:09:58.440 with photoshop skills that I never knew I had, not 160 00:09:58.480 --> 00:10:02.600 that I've even got the program right. 161 00:10:02.639 --> 00:10:04.919 So they're interpreting this, But some of the pictures have 162 00:10:05.039 --> 00:10:09.080 been tinkered with, Like that's how I became convinced, or 163 00:10:09.200 --> 00:10:11.559 I got the kind of feeling that Paul was switched 164 00:10:11.559 --> 00:10:14.240 out or different because there was a time just in 165 00:10:14.279 --> 00:10:17.759 the news stand here in the States, time picture thing 166 00:10:17.799 --> 00:10:20.200 about the Beatles, and I'm like, this guy's there are 167 00:10:20.240 --> 00:10:23.679 morphing faces together. This isn't the pure kind of face 168 00:10:24.320 --> 00:10:26.759 that you would see, Like they've definitely shopped it, or 169 00:10:27.039 --> 00:10:28.720 why are they tampering with the pictures? 170 00:10:30.679 --> 00:10:37.480 Sorry to cut across you there with the Beatles Book Monthly, 171 00:10:37.559 --> 00:10:42.759 their official publication, manipulated their own photographs and that was 172 00:10:42.840 --> 00:10:48.360 in the transition stage between Paul and Billy, and they 173 00:10:48.360 --> 00:10:52.759 were using mustaches, so they'd add a mustache onto old 174 00:10:52.799 --> 00:10:55.200 pictures of Paul who didn't have one, and that's in 175 00:10:55.240 --> 00:10:59.159 the Beatles' own magazine. It's rather clumsily done because it 176 00:10:59.200 --> 00:11:02.559 was done in nineteen sixty six, so they've added a 177 00:11:02.639 --> 00:11:07.279 mustage to the negatives. There's no photoshot back then. In 178 00:11:07.399 --> 00:11:10.720 terms of manipulation, it's the bit of a case of 179 00:11:10.840 --> 00:11:14.480 somempy ideas. Want their cake and eat it. They want 180 00:11:14.519 --> 00:11:19.919 to worship or adore one photograph of Paul, but you can't. 181 00:11:20.039 --> 00:11:22.480 They don't allow you to use that same photograph and 182 00:11:22.559 --> 00:11:27.559 another one that they've been adoringly pouring over to show 183 00:11:27.600 --> 00:11:32.320 that they are different. I think in terms of manipulation, 184 00:11:32.399 --> 00:11:34.919 I think it's more a case that the photographs have 185 00:11:35.000 --> 00:11:39.919 been uploaded, downloaded, uploaded, shared. They're like a mongrel dog. 186 00:11:40.000 --> 00:11:42.840 You just don't know their b deigree anymore. And that's 187 00:11:42.840 --> 00:11:46.200 why I use photographs that have been pre published, that 188 00:11:46.320 --> 00:11:50.279 have been taken from screenshots of the Beatles' films, their 189 00:11:50.320 --> 00:11:55.360 album covers, their own publications, and anything that's got associated 190 00:11:55.399 --> 00:11:59.159 press on it or Getty images or something that is 191 00:11:59.200 --> 00:12:03.840 being validated, rather than something from Pinterest or another source 192 00:12:03.960 --> 00:12:04.320 like that. 193 00:12:06.200 --> 00:12:09.960 Right now, it's incredible, and there's just so much evidence 194 00:12:10.000 --> 00:12:12.919 that he's been switched out. You talk about the mustache, 195 00:12:13.120 --> 00:12:17.320 there's weird beards. There's just so many subtle changes in 196 00:12:17.360 --> 00:12:20.720 this guy's face. I was watching Strawberry Fields Forever, very 197 00:12:20.799 --> 00:12:24.360 dark lyrics, by the way, which I didn't key into 198 00:12:24.399 --> 00:12:26.320 when I was a kid. You know, now that I'm older, 199 00:12:26.480 --> 00:12:28.720 I can kind of see the kind of mind control stuff. 200 00:12:29.279 --> 00:12:33.480 But clearly a different guy, just like unbelievable. Like it's 201 00:12:33.519 --> 00:12:35.879 obviously not the original Paul McCartney, and they put him 202 00:12:35.919 --> 00:12:36.799 right out there. 203 00:12:38.480 --> 00:12:40.799 They did, but it's very subtle. I mean, we didn't 204 00:12:40.840 --> 00:12:44.320 see Paul McCartney or the Beatles for some time. I 205 00:12:44.480 --> 00:12:47.200 first saw Billy when he was on top of the 206 00:12:47.240 --> 00:12:51.200 Pops and they showed the Strawberry Fields and Penny Lane 207 00:12:51.600 --> 00:12:58.679 promotional videos. But we weren't programmed then to think in 208 00:12:59.039 --> 00:13:04.759 conspiratorial terms. It was Paul McCartney. It's a composite. It's 209 00:13:04.799 --> 00:13:07.279 just Paul McCartney, and that's who we thought it was. 210 00:13:08.440 --> 00:13:12.639 I didn't even believe in the pid thing at all. 211 00:13:14.080 --> 00:13:17.480 I heard about twenty eight if the registration of the 212 00:13:17.519 --> 00:13:22.240 White Beetle car on Abbey Road, but I just dismissed 213 00:13:22.240 --> 00:13:25.480 it at the time. But when I saw Billy rocking 214 00:13:25.559 --> 00:13:31.639 away there too on the rooftop, it was so embarrassingly 215 00:13:31.759 --> 00:13:36.879 bad the movements that I just felt so embarrassed for 216 00:13:36.960 --> 00:13:40.600 him and thought, well, you know, they just put me 217 00:13:40.639 --> 00:13:43.399 straight off. I just thought it was laughable. It wasn't 218 00:13:43.440 --> 00:13:44.720 the Beatle that I remembered. 219 00:13:45.559 --> 00:13:48.080 Wow, it's remarkable. So that's the show they did in 220 00:13:48.120 --> 00:13:50.679 what was that in London or New York City? The 221 00:13:50.759 --> 00:13:52.960 rooftop one where John's wearing the furs. 222 00:13:53.320 --> 00:13:57.000 Yeah, that's saddle on top of the Saddle building and 223 00:13:57.039 --> 00:13:59.399 they were singing get Back and a few other numbers 224 00:13:59.440 --> 00:14:02.799 and not very many and the police came up and 225 00:14:02.840 --> 00:14:06.600 I think that was stage they stopped the recording of 226 00:14:06.639 --> 00:14:11.200 the plane. But what's interesting to notice is that when 227 00:14:11.240 --> 00:14:14.799 it comes to photographs, if we take the photograph of 228 00:14:14.879 --> 00:14:18.639 Paul that was the first to appear on the Daily 229 00:14:18.679 --> 00:14:24.200 Mirror front page back in October nineteen October nineteen sixty three, 230 00:14:24.919 --> 00:14:29.720 the guy's got a horizontal scar under his chin and 231 00:14:29.759 --> 00:14:32.200 it's plain to see. So that's the very very first 232 00:14:32.200 --> 00:14:37.440 photograph on a British front page nineteen sixty three. That 233 00:14:37.600 --> 00:14:41.960 scar appears throughout if you follow that particular Paul, you 234 00:14:42.039 --> 00:14:44.879 can find him in nineteen well, you can find him 235 00:14:44.919 --> 00:14:46.840 singing I Want to hold your hand on the Edge 236 00:14:46.840 --> 00:14:50.919 Sullivan Show. You can find him singing on the German Tour. 237 00:14:51.639 --> 00:14:54.759 But then you can also find him in the seventies, 238 00:14:55.360 --> 00:14:58.279 in the eighties, and it's you can say, also find 239 00:14:58.360 --> 00:15:03.159 him being photographed with Done is deceased wife, and you 240 00:15:03.200 --> 00:15:07.919 can find him photographed with Heather, the divorce wife. So 241 00:15:08.559 --> 00:15:10.639 not every Paul died. And that was the point of 242 00:15:10.720 --> 00:15:13.919 that video that I did, and it's on YouTube now. 243 00:15:15.080 --> 00:15:19.080 Wow, it's incredible. So there were distinguishing characteristics. They had 244 00:15:19.080 --> 00:15:21.279 a scar on his chin, which you can clearly see 245 00:15:21.440 --> 00:15:24.039 also cut on his lip right that they kind of 246 00:15:24.080 --> 00:15:24.639 had a fake. 247 00:15:25.360 --> 00:15:31.399 Oh well, the that scar on the lip, they that 248 00:15:31.519 --> 00:15:37.240 came from the alleged moped crash December Boxing Day, December 249 00:15:37.480 --> 00:15:42.639 nineteen sixty five. But it came back even larger in 250 00:15:42.720 --> 00:15:44.960 the if you look at the video in Strawberry Field's 251 00:15:44.960 --> 00:15:50.399 and Penny Lane. Now some mainstream Beetle fans will say, well, 252 00:15:50.879 --> 00:15:54.799 maybe it became reinfected and it swelled up to twice 253 00:15:54.840 --> 00:15:59.519 asie as it originally was. But come, paperback writer, that 254 00:15:59.600 --> 00:16:05.120 scar healed. So you know that the scar comes and goes. 255 00:16:05.799 --> 00:16:09.519 Which is another video that's of mine that's on YouTube 256 00:16:09.559 --> 00:16:10.279 as well. 257 00:16:10.639 --> 00:16:13.159 So the scars come and go. He's got something on 258 00:16:13.200 --> 00:16:16.360 his chin. He also has a chipped tooth here and there, right. 259 00:16:16.559 --> 00:16:21.600 Yeah, the chip the chip tooth was repaired before the 260 00:16:21.679 --> 00:16:27.159 German tour of sixty six. The scar on the chin, 261 00:16:27.320 --> 00:16:31.559 the horizontal scar underneath, does not disappear. That goes throughout 262 00:16:31.600 --> 00:16:35.240 the years. And then talking about chins, there isn't one 263 00:16:35.320 --> 00:16:40.080 pool with a cleft or a dimple which is created 264 00:16:40.120 --> 00:16:42.639 by bone structure of the jaw, so it's not going 265 00:16:42.720 --> 00:16:46.039 to disappear. Kirk Douglas had his all his life, and 266 00:16:46.080 --> 00:16:49.480 so did Robert Mitchen. But then there are other pools 267 00:16:49.519 --> 00:16:54.559 where he's got a totally smooth round round chin, no cleft, 268 00:16:54.840 --> 00:16:55.399 no nothing. 269 00:16:58.639 --> 00:17:01.320 It's just so incredible when you the enormity and you 270 00:17:01.360 --> 00:17:05.119 did a video on the Tavistock like how much of 271 00:17:05.200 --> 00:17:08.480 the like? There's John Coleman's Committee of three hundred and 272 00:17:08.559 --> 00:17:11.799 all this stuff. He makes allegations about Adorno. People have 273 00:17:11.880 --> 00:17:16.079 discounted those. What's your thought about how much Tavistock influenced 274 00:17:16.119 --> 00:17:16.920 the Beatles. 275 00:17:17.160 --> 00:17:21.440 I think that Tavistock has been dumbed down and repeated 276 00:17:21.519 --> 00:17:24.880 and parroted to the point where it's lost or meaning 277 00:17:27.200 --> 00:17:29.160 it's a lot more complicated than that. 278 00:17:29.839 --> 00:17:31.319 Could you expand on that then? 279 00:17:32.880 --> 00:17:40.079 Yeah. For instance, there's absolutely no evidence to say that 280 00:17:40.160 --> 00:17:44.559 Coleman actually was a spy. If you can get onto 281 00:17:44.599 --> 00:17:48.200 his website, which I can't because I keep getting virus warnings, 282 00:17:48.519 --> 00:17:53.200 there's nothing there on his profile, but I have read 283 00:17:53.240 --> 00:17:56.559 the Committee of three hundred and on page one he 284 00:17:56.599 --> 00:17:59.559 writes that on the thirtieth of April nineteen eighty one, 285 00:18:00.599 --> 00:18:03.960 he wrote a monograph disclosing the existence of the Club 286 00:18:03.960 --> 00:18:08.839 of Rome, well, that's nineteen eighty one, but that was 287 00:18:08.920 --> 00:18:11.880 already known. The Club of Rome was already known in 288 00:18:11.920 --> 00:18:17.440 the nineteen seventies. A newspaper articles mentioned the Club of Rome, 289 00:18:17.559 --> 00:18:21.759 including numerous reviews on their paper The Limits of Growth. 290 00:18:22.599 --> 00:18:27.720 So anybody who's got access to Google could find out 291 00:18:27.759 --> 00:18:31.599 that what doctor John Coleman is saying there and claiming 292 00:18:31.640 --> 00:18:35.559 as if you like his exclusive isn't an exclusive at all. 293 00:18:38.279 --> 00:18:41.960 Interesting. And I mean there's other things going on. You 294 00:18:42.000 --> 00:18:45.319 write about communism hypnotism, can you kind of you did 295 00:18:45.359 --> 00:18:48.759 a couple of videos on that. Can you explain how 296 00:18:48.799 --> 00:18:51.759 that's involved in the whole Beatles mania. 297 00:18:53.039 --> 00:18:56.440 It comes from a book that a title of a 298 00:18:56.480 --> 00:19:02.480 pamphlet of American evangelist preacher brought out the name of him, 299 00:19:02.480 --> 00:19:07.480 I can't remember at the moment, but it basically lays 300 00:19:07.559 --> 00:19:12.559 claim that the Beatles were trying to instill communism into 301 00:19:12.839 --> 00:19:20.319 society and bring about cultural change. This is basically the 302 00:19:20.359 --> 00:19:25.240 same argument that those who were mentioned the Tavistock and 303 00:19:25.279 --> 00:19:31.240 support the Tavistock theory. It's been they basically simplify the 304 00:19:31.279 --> 00:19:35.880 Tavistock Institute theory. But that's the complicated matter that perhaps 305 00:19:35.880 --> 00:19:38.920 we'll touch on at a different time. But the communism's 306 00:19:39.160 --> 00:19:44.440 part and the Beatles. Our own Church of England really 307 00:19:44.480 --> 00:19:47.319 actually quite liked the Beatles eventually because they could see 308 00:19:47.319 --> 00:19:50.359 it if they mimic the Beatles or introduce their music 309 00:19:51.119 --> 00:19:55.359 into the church then and adopted them, then they were 310 00:19:55.640 --> 00:19:58.759 they would encourage more young people to go to church, 311 00:19:58.880 --> 00:20:01.599 especially the Church of English. And there was already in 312 00:20:01.720 --> 00:20:04.759 decline at that point. We didn't need Tavistock or the 313 00:20:04.799 --> 00:20:07.960 Beatles to bring the Church of England into into decline. 314 00:20:08.240 --> 00:20:10.079 They managed to do that all on its own. 315 00:20:12.519 --> 00:20:16.599 Hmm. Interesting was that was the book by? Was it 316 00:20:17.640 --> 00:20:19.519 they sold their souls for rock and roll? Does that 317 00:20:19.559 --> 00:20:20.000 sound right? 318 00:20:20.759 --> 00:20:23.720 No, it's a pamphlet that was brought out at the 319 00:20:23.799 --> 00:20:25.640 time by an evangelist. 320 00:20:26.000 --> 00:20:30.400 Oh, David Noble, that's it. That's hypnotism and the Beatles 321 00:20:30.680 --> 00:20:32.400 another book I have to get. Do you think that 322 00:20:32.440 --> 00:20:34.720 there's hypnotism involved with the Beatles? 323 00:20:34.720 --> 00:20:38.039 And I do, but I don't. I think it's more 324 00:20:38.079 --> 00:20:45.119 to do with Tavistock and dr Asher and Stephen Ward. 325 00:20:46.599 --> 00:20:48.440 There's certain manipulation on the go. 326 00:20:49.240 --> 00:20:51.839 Right Ward is an interesting character. I've done a show 327 00:20:51.880 --> 00:20:55.640 about Ward. I'm very familiar with the kind of Profumo affair, 328 00:20:58.240 --> 00:21:00.960 Profumo affair and things like that. I mean, how in 329 00:21:01.000 --> 00:21:04.359 the black magic actually Ward who added kind of a 330 00:21:04.359 --> 00:21:06.359 presence here in the States for a minute minute, that's 331 00:21:06.359 --> 00:21:11.079 where he went to get his degree. But how does 332 00:21:11.119 --> 00:21:12.359 he tie into all of us. 333 00:21:14.279 --> 00:21:17.960 Well, stephen Ward and Christine Keeler and Mandy Rice Davis 334 00:21:18.000 --> 00:21:25.680 and the Astors, especially the stephen Ward. He was good 335 00:21:25.880 --> 00:21:32.079 hypnotizing people. He was a good manipulator. He was also connected, 336 00:21:32.119 --> 00:21:35.119 as you know, to most of the movers and shakers 337 00:21:35.160 --> 00:21:39.359 and the royalty, the upper crust. So they were at 338 00:21:39.359 --> 00:21:44.680 the forefront of the sexual revolution, if you like. Some 339 00:21:44.799 --> 00:21:49.640 would argue in parallel with the Beatles, but that's I 340 00:21:49.640 --> 00:21:54.720 think an exaggeration really, factually and statistically, that is an exaggeration. 341 00:21:55.759 --> 00:21:57.279 A lot of the things that were supposed to have 342 00:21:57.319 --> 00:21:59.960 happened in the sixties actually happened in the seventies. 343 00:22:00.119 --> 00:22:05.440 Is terstic. I mean Ward was, I mean, I think 344 00:22:05.440 --> 00:22:08.319 he had a place on the Astor estate. Right, So 345 00:22:08.359 --> 00:22:13.759 he's like keyed into other important intellectual movements in the sixties, right, 346 00:22:13.920 --> 00:22:15.920 was it the Cleving Climbington set or whatever. 347 00:22:16.599 --> 00:22:21.960 Yeah, the the Clyde and sets and there's there's also 348 00:22:22.160 --> 00:22:28.480 the the Ministry of Defense chief Perfumer himself. But he 349 00:22:28.880 --> 00:22:33.359 wasn't squeaky clean Perfumer. He'd had affairs before, keither he was. 350 00:22:33.480 --> 00:22:35.559 He wasn't a case that that's the only affair that 351 00:22:35.640 --> 00:22:37.960 he had. 352 00:22:38.599 --> 00:22:40.359 Yeah, it's the one he got, the one he got 353 00:22:40.359 --> 00:22:41.240 caught for, right. 354 00:22:41.480 --> 00:22:44.079 That's right. Yeah, but he wasn't squeaky clean. He was 355 00:22:44.119 --> 00:22:49.680 no saint. And basically they they they were they were 356 00:22:49.680 --> 00:22:52.000 cool girls. They were a good time girls. Showed girls 357 00:22:52.000 --> 00:22:56.799 that had been linked with gangsters and linked with the 358 00:22:56.920 --> 00:22:58.200 nightclubs and so on. 359 00:22:59.519 --> 00:23:03.759 Right there in that environment, the Cray Brothers and a 360 00:23:03.759 --> 00:23:06.640 lot of interesting characters in the sixties. A lot OF's 361 00:23:06.680 --> 00:23:08.720 still rough. I mean, I think Crowley's kind of like 362 00:23:08.839 --> 00:23:11.160 air was friends with the craze and hanging out all 363 00:23:11.200 --> 00:23:13.799 those guys. Tom dreiberg right, do you know if Tom Driver? 364 00:23:14.240 --> 00:23:16.200 I know I've done a video on him as well. 365 00:23:16.319 --> 00:23:24.200 KGB alleged double agent m I five. He was the 366 00:23:24.359 --> 00:23:26.440 chairman of the Labor Party, I believe. 367 00:23:26.920 --> 00:23:29.440 Yeah, he's like the top top post in the kind 368 00:23:29.480 --> 00:23:31.000 of left in the UK. 369 00:23:31.119 --> 00:23:35.880 Yeah, he was gay, probably had the craze, arranged rent boys, 370 00:23:35.960 --> 00:23:40.039 for him and for for Brian Epstein, and then there's 371 00:23:40.079 --> 00:23:43.000 a law boothby case it's linked in with with him 372 00:23:43.039 --> 00:23:43.880 as well. 373 00:23:44.480 --> 00:23:46.480 Right, so both sides of the aisle, so to speak. 374 00:23:46.519 --> 00:23:49.480 And there's pictures of Dryberg and Booth be together like 375 00:23:49.559 --> 00:23:52.759 there's there there are chums, and you can type Dryverer 376 00:23:52.920 --> 00:23:59.799 to Crowley, Maxwell Knight and also the what is it 377 00:23:59.799 --> 00:24:03.519 the Five Spies right the yeah, I forgot he went 378 00:24:03.559 --> 00:24:06.279 to he went to Russia to talk with one of 379 00:24:06.279 --> 00:24:07.880 the Cambridge Five, right. 380 00:24:08.839 --> 00:24:11.279 Yeah, And you can you can tie in with Christopher Lee, 381 00:24:11.319 --> 00:24:17.240 the Christopher Lee video that I've done about the McCartney's 382 00:24:17.240 --> 00:24:20.200 friends on the cover of Band on the Run. You 383 00:24:20.279 --> 00:24:25.319 can tie tie all of them back to Ian Fleming 384 00:24:25.400 --> 00:24:30.480 as well, who was Christopher Lee's step cousin. And Dennis Wheatley, 385 00:24:31.039 --> 00:24:35.960 the author of of all the the books about Satanism 386 00:24:36.039 --> 00:24:36.960 and the Devil. 387 00:24:36.759 --> 00:24:39.720 And so on, The Devil Rides Out. Yeah, that's right. 388 00:24:40.000 --> 00:24:43.559 Wheeley was actually influenced on Fleming. Fleming said he based 389 00:24:43.880 --> 00:24:47.440 James Bond, the probably the most well known spy movies 390 00:24:47.440 --> 00:24:51.920 and books and world history on Wheeley books. So there's 391 00:24:51.960 --> 00:24:55.880 like the weirdest kind of weird cultural nexus. 392 00:24:54.799 --> 00:25:00.160 I first heard about Crowley through Dennis Wheatley and his 393 00:25:00.240 --> 00:25:05.319 book and the Devil in all his works, right. 394 00:25:05.240 --> 00:25:06.960 Yeah, he wrote like a lot of the coult stuff. 395 00:25:07.000 --> 00:25:09.839 He's actually very interesting guy. His daughter's around. She's like, 396 00:25:11.319 --> 00:25:15.680 she's involved in kind of ancient kind of UK you know, 397 00:25:16.640 --> 00:25:20.720 folk sites or whatever, like, uh, monoliths and stones and stuff. 398 00:25:20.759 --> 00:25:22.720 So she's around. I tried to get to talk to her. 399 00:25:22.759 --> 00:25:25.240 She wouldn't, she wouldn't come on the show. But uh, 400 00:25:25.599 --> 00:25:28.599 it is interesting how all these guys, uh this fake 401 00:25:28.680 --> 00:25:31.279