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<v Speaker 1>five CARSCEN Morning Show at this time of the week,

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<v Speaker 1>Donovan and Eil from Americans for Prosperity to comment on

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<v Speaker 1>the Ohio Senates GOP version of the budget. Welcome back, Donovan.

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<v Speaker 1>Great to have you on the program.

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<v Speaker 3>Again, Bryan, always a pleasure to be with you.

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<v Speaker 1>All Right, I'm having a difficult time. I know you

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<v Speaker 1>want to talk about the two point seventy five percent

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<v Speaker 1>flat tax. I'm all in favor of that, I get it.

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<v Speaker 1>But yeah, I'm sorry, I'm just frankly I've said used

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<v Speaker 1>the words pissed off about six hundred million dollars going

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<v Speaker 1>to the Cleveland Brown Stadium, Brook Park.

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<v Speaker 2>Ah.

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<v Speaker 1>Did you know, Donovan and Neil for Americans for Prosperity.

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<v Speaker 1>The High Department of Commerce has said it's sitting on

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<v Speaker 1>four point eight billion dollars in unclaimed funds. They got

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<v Speaker 1>a pile of money there. Four point eight billion were

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<v Speaker 1>of the things like forgotten bank accounts, rent utility deposits,

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<v Speaker 1>and uncashed insurance policies. And apparently when the Browns ask

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<v Speaker 1>for money, they can tap into that and pull out

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<v Speaker 1>six hundred million dollars and hand it over to them.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I think it's an interesting way, and it's a

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<v Speaker 3>long way from where we started in this conversation, right

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<v Speaker 3>which the original proposal was raising taxes. I oh, I'm

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<v Speaker 3>certainly glad we're not raising.

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<v Speaker 1>Taxes to do to do these kinds of things.

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<v Speaker 3>It's a creative way. The unclaim funds is a creative

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<v Speaker 3>way to accomplish that.

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<v Speaker 1>Though, well, it's better than borrowing the money and paying

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<v Speaker 1>interest over twenty five years by issuing bonds. But fundamentally,

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<v Speaker 1>we're giving money to a private sports organization owned by

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<v Speaker 1>private individuals for the benefit of folks who can afford

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<v Speaker 1>to go into a stadium and pay twelve to fifteen

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<v Speaker 1>dollars for a beer. I'm sorry these things never work out.

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<v Speaker 1>And they say, well, the revenue generated from the taxes

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<v Speaker 1>on the purchasers at the brook Park is more than

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<v Speaker 1>out of well, we got to repay the six hundred

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<v Speaker 1>million dollars we're giving them. I'll blow it out here.

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<v Speaker 3>You know what.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sorry. I didn't mean to catch you off guard, Donovan,

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<v Speaker 1>but this kind of thing rubs me obviously the wrong way.

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<v Speaker 1>So we can get back on focus and talk about

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<v Speaker 1>the flat income tax.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, and I think that's the important thing, right these

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<v Speaker 3>big budget bills, whether it's one big beautiful bill in

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<v Speaker 3>DC or you know, the two hundred billion dollar all

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<v Speaker 3>spend budget here in Ohio, which, by the way, I've

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<v Speaker 3>got some there's some silver linings there too. You know,

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<v Speaker 3>there's a reason they say it's the look you're watching

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<v Speaker 3>the sausage you get made, because none of these things

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<v Speaker 3>are beautiful or perfect. But I think there's some there's

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<v Speaker 3>some bright spots in this budget that send a signal

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<v Speaker 3>that there is a culture shift happening in Columbus, and

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<v Speaker 3>I think we need to keep our eyes focused on that.

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<v Speaker 3>And that's certainly what we're doing at AFP, is staying

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<v Speaker 3>focused on the things that we've identified as top priorities

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<v Speaker 3>that this budget delivers on.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, we had a tiered in well, we do have

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<v Speaker 1>a tiered income tax system here in the state of Ohio. Correct,

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<v Speaker 1>And this, this Senate proposal is in line, isn't it

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<v Speaker 1>with the House proposal to get it down to a

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<v Speaker 1>flat two point seventy five percent?

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<v Speaker 3>Well no, no, knock on our friends in the House,

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<v Speaker 3>but they actually failed to do that.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh old ones, I misremembered of the ones.

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<v Speaker 3>No, that's all right, yeah, the Senate actually, so we launched,

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<v Speaker 3>in fact little self promotion here afp Ohio. We launched

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<v Speaker 3>it with Leebray Ohio a campaign back on May twentyth

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<v Speaker 3>a couple of weeks ago, calling on the Senate to

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<v Speaker 3>put a flat tax in the budget. We're proud to

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<v Speaker 3>say they did and buy over the course of this biennium.

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<v Speaker 3>If this budget gets signed by the governors, ultimately let's

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<v Speaker 3>get sent and signed by the governor, Ohio will have

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<v Speaker 3>the lowest rate in the Midwest and be well on

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<v Speaker 3>its way towards a zero percent income tax, positioning us

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<v Speaker 3>well for that, I should say, over the next decade.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, and that's something that gubernatorial candidate and probably our

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<v Speaker 1>next coverer, Governor of Vivek Ramaswami, is advocating for as well.

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<v Speaker 1>He wants to be he wants to be the most

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<v Speaker 1>competitive state out there.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, and that's a big part of the argument that

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<v Speaker 3>we've been making. And I think a lot of our

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<v Speaker 3>friends in the Senate, the folks who are real fiscal

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<v Speaker 3>stewards and champions of the taxpayer, like George Lang, Senate

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<v Speaker 3>President Rod McCauley, Tercerino, they get that right. They understand

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<v Speaker 3>that we've got to keep making the margin if we

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<v Speaker 3>pause that because over the last decade, Brian, by the way,

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<v Speaker 3>over the last decade, we have cut from nine tax

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<v Speaker 3>brackets with the top marginal rate at about five percent,

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<v Speaker 3>to this point where we're currently at two brackets. And

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<v Speaker 3>as the Senate has their way, we have our way right,

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<v Speaker 3>Ohio will be a flat income tax date a two

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<v Speaker 3>point seventy five percent. It's a phenomenal accomplishment over the

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<v Speaker 3>last decade. If you ask me, it's taken too long,

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<v Speaker 3>but hey, we're here now. And and what it does

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<v Speaker 3>is yet that's someone like a governor rama swam me

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<v Speaker 3>up to give that mandate to the General Assembly, and

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<v Speaker 3>over the eight years HEAs governor put Ohio at a

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<v Speaker 3>zero percent income tax.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, and that certainly go a long way to making

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<v Speaker 1>Aye a more competitive I mean, obviously, if you look

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<v Speaker 1>at like tech in Florida, businesses flock the states with

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<v Speaker 1>no income tax.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and that's what in the press conference esctially the

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<v Speaker 3>Senate President was talking about, the Finance Chair Jerry Serena

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<v Speaker 3>was talking about. And it's not just warm weather states, right, folks.

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<v Speaker 3>Businesses go where them where the economic climate is most favorable.

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<v Speaker 3>And when we think about economic development. Not to bring

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<v Speaker 3>up the beginning of the segment necessarily, but one of

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<v Speaker 3>the challenges we have, I believe as a state is

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<v Speaker 3>because of our complexity, because of the amount of local

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<v Speaker 3>governments we have, because of the tax burning we have.

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<v Speaker 3>Compared to states like Texas, tennesse or Florida, there's a

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<v Speaker 3>compelling nature the lawmakers are compelled to use taxpayer dollars

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<v Speaker 3>to try to lure businesses and develop into the state.

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<v Speaker 3>We can change that paradigm by creating a foundation that

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<v Speaker 3>is much more favorable the economic opportunity and prosperity. One

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<v Speaker 3>of the key ingredients of that is having these zero

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<v Speaker 3>percent income tax states. So when you bring your employees

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<v Speaker 3>to Ohio, you can tell them they're going to keep

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<v Speaker 3>all of their hard earned money that they earn nine

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<v Speaker 3>to five Monday through Friday. It's great policy and great politics.

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<v Speaker 1>It is now obviously things like this get pushback. And

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<v Speaker 1>since the House did not have that, and I apologize

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<v Speaker 1>for misremembering that Alice build ninety six past the House

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<v Speaker 1>in April, that this is going to be a reconciliation

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<v Speaker 1>process that goes on between the Senate's version and the

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<v Speaker 3>Then well, fortunately in Ohio we're not as complex and

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<v Speaker 3>convoluted as Washington dcing. We have our own laws. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>so what we've got right now is we're really on

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<v Speaker 3>a clock. We have till probably about June twelfth, is

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<v Speaker 3>when the Senate is expected to vote on the floor

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<v Speaker 3>for their version of the budget. What that would do

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<v Speaker 3>is then send it back over the House and they'll

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<v Speaker 3>do a they'll do a what's called a concurrence vote,

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<v Speaker 3>and typically they vote that down. Depending on what this

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<v Speaker 3>product is, maybe it's maybe it just makes sense to

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<v Speaker 3>vote straight up and concur But if they fail to

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<v Speaker 3>concur which is historically what happens, they go into a

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<v Speaker 3>conference committee, sort of hash some details out, send the

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<v Speaker 3>build back out. So pretty straightforward process in that once

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<v Speaker 3>the Senate's done it really then goes to a combined

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<v Speaker 3>committee of the finance's finance committees in the House and

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<v Speaker 3>Senate to kind of reconcile the process and send it

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<v Speaker 3>to the governor.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, do you find faults with anything that's currently in

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<v Speaker 1>the Senates version that you prefer the House version? Obviously

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<v Speaker 1>the House version doesn't have the cap of two point

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<v Speaker 1>seventy five, so there's a difference there. But are there

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<v Speaker 1>things in the House build that aren't in the Senate

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<v Speaker 1>bill that AFP and my listeners should know about.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I think what you saw with the House budget

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<v Speaker 3>To answer your question directly, no, based on what we're

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<v Speaker 3>seeing right now. In fact, what it looks like the

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<v Speaker 3>Senate has done, and this is sort of what they've

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<v Speaker 3>done historically over the past decade or so. In fact,

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<v Speaker 3>you'll see the House increase spending from what the executive

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<v Speaker 3>several years, has come in and cut curb spending, restraint

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<v Speaker 3>spending from what the House is looking for. The House

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<v Speaker 3>actually curb spending about four point one billion dollars from

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<v Speaker 3>what Governor Dwine asked for. The Senate came in and

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<v Speaker 3>found another one point six billion in in moneies that

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<v Speaker 3>just don't fit the proper role of government. And so

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<v Speaker 3>I think what we're seeing, I think it's a combination

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<v Speaker 3>of former Senate President Matt Huffman in leading the House

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<v Speaker 3>Chamber and new Senate President Rob McAuley, who's a long

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<v Speaker 3>time AFP Bucket blueprint champion, bringing his you know, restraint

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<v Speaker 3>to the philosophy of leading to the Senate Chamber. And

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<v Speaker 3>we've got two legislative leaders, two legislative chambers that are

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<v Speaker 3>really dialed in on the idea that you know, this

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<v Speaker 3>money isn't Columbus's money, it's the people of Ohio's money,

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<v Speaker 3>and we've got to exhibit fiscal stewardship because you know,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, for all the reasons Conservatives exhibit fiscal stewardship,

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<v Speaker 3>and that I think what we're seeing here, and so

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<v Speaker 3>I think they took a good product, made it even better.

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<v Speaker 3>And I think our hope is sifting through it still

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<v Speaker 3>that this is probably a very good product. Maybe you

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<v Speaker 3>can make make some additional tweaks and modifications, but let's

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<v Speaker 3>get this thing done and get it to the governor

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<v Speaker 3>and deliver on a flat tax for ohilands.

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<v Speaker 1>Amen. It sounds like both sides are in the right

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<v Speaker 1>are going in the right direction. In terms of those

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<v Speaker 1>who are opposed to reducing the income tax, I'm sure

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<v Speaker 1>they're screaming about not being able to afford what we

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<v Speaker 1>do here in Columbus on behalf of the ohiolands. How

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<v Speaker 1>will they deal with less revenue? Is the reduced revenue

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<v Speaker 1>by reducing this tax satisfied by the cuts that have

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's sort of the idea, and really what we've argued.

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<v Speaker 3>We did. We worked with the Buckeye Institute, Greg Laws

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<v Speaker 3>of years ago on how you get onhig of those

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<v Speaker 3>zero percent income tax. One of the key ways you

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<v Speaker 3>do is just don't grow government so dang fast. Right,

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<v Speaker 3>you can grow it, just don't grow it so dang fast.

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<v Speaker 3>And that's what I think we're seeing in this budget

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<v Speaker 3>where I'm historically notoriously bad at math Brian, but I

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<v Speaker 3>think you know, the governor wanted to grow the budget

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<v Speaker 3>by about I think eight percent over the last biennium.

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<v Speaker 3>What the Senate comes in at is just about four

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<v Speaker 3>and a half percent growth by anum over by anym

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<v Speaker 3>and so when we just grow it maybe where it's

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<v Speaker 3>necessary right where you just have inflationary policies or what

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<v Speaker 3>have you that have caused that delivery of services to

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<v Speaker 3>go up. That's the kind of fiscal restraint we're asking

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<v Speaker 3>for you that enables you to then buy down the

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<v Speaker 3>tax and that's what we're that's what we're doing in

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<v Speaker 1>As far as we can tell, don On Neil, Americans

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<v Speaker 1>for Prosperity usually end with the call of action. Is

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<v Speaker 1>there one today and is there a website?

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<v Speaker 3>My listeners should go to Buckeye Blueprint dot com, flash

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<v Speaker 3>soo s Buckeye Blueprint dot com, slash sos. There's some

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<v Speaker 3>information in dollard there. And then we're going to be

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<v Speaker 3>having a rally in Columbus next week to encourage lawmakers

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<v Speaker 3>to finish the job and get this done and vote

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<v Speaker 3>this budget over to the House. And so go there

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<v Speaker 3>you can find out some more details and we'd love

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<v Speaker 3>to have you join us in Columbus.

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<v Speaker 1>Courage my listeners to do just that. AFP Donovan and

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<v Speaker 1>Neil pleasure having you back on today. Keep keeping us

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<v Speaker 1>in form and reminding me of the things that happened

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<v Speaker 1>and didn't happen, but I can't remember. Great having you

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<v Speaker 1>on donnav. We'll talk again next week. Have a wonderful week. Meantime,

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<v Speaker 1>always a pleasure. Take care. It's eight seven thirty eight.

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<v Speaker 1>We're gonna talk about flag Day Steve. Steve Belzer from

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<v Speaker 1>the Klima County Veteran Services up next. After I mentioned

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<v Speaker 1>presses in tiers. Because if we want your kitchen done,

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<v Speaker 1>you want it done right. Remodeling your kitchen well, it

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<v Speaker 1>takes expertise that John Ryan, a prestige pressed deesonterriers, will

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<v Speaker 1>deliver for you much in the same way he delivered

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<v Speaker 1>start from scratch, let John do the work. You want

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<v Speaker 1>to do. A simple project like simple replacement of cabinets

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<v Speaker 1>and countertops, leaving the kitchen in the same sort of form,

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<v Speaker 1>then John will do that. Anything in between, big small,

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<v Speaker 1>he handles it. He's been doing kitchens almost exclusively for

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<v Speaker 1>That's prestige interiors from initial design to final installation. John's

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<v Speaker 1>touch with him. Go to presstge one two three dot com.

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<v Speaker 1>Learn all the information there and see some of the

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