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Speaker 1: I'm on our show today, Justin Brown, and he has

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a podcast that I actually really dig see what they

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did there, the dig Bible podcast, And I just wanted

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to welcome, welcome to our show today, and we just

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want to pick his brain about a lot of really

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interesting stuff. We're mostly going to hone in I think

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on you know, drug use, formakia, stuff like that, how

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it affects seeing in the spirit world. But Lindsey and

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I are more than ready to go wherever the Holy

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Spirit wants to go and to interview this fascinating guy

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here Justin. Tell us your story a little bit. Just

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start out, you know what you came from? Where you're

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at now? Your testimony, I guess is the word for it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, what's uh? It's pretty Uh, it's like a seesaw.

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I started on. I'm Southern, you know, Southern Baptist raised,

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you know the Bible Belt.

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Speaker 1: Where are the South? Are you from? I was Tennessee, Oh, Tennessee. Okay,

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say any thought you're from Alabama because you have kind

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of an Alabama twang too, So.

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Speaker 2: Oh I do, I got it, I own it. But

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uh yeah, but I went to church every Sunday, you know,

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good godly family is there every time the doors were open.

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I was raised right. Uh, just always had a fascination

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with the Word of God. I remember being four and

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five years old, and I was that kid in Sunday

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school that would raise his hand and ask all these questions.

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I probably got on my Sunday school teacher's nerves, but

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I was always just really fascinated with it. And everybody

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always said that I was going to be called to preach,

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you know, because I just had such a fascination with it.

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And like, for instance, like an example, my grandmother, good

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godly woman. She would always take me to school and

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she told me, and it was kindergartener, first grade, she said,

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I'll never forget it. She said, I was taking you

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to school. You were just staring out the window. She said.

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I was like justin you know, what are you looking at?

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And I looked at her and I was like, just

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a creation. I don't see how anybody can see all

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the beautiful things that God has created and deny that

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there is a divine hand, you know. So it's like

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my mind is not your typical, you know, six seven

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year old kid. But you know, there was always church

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drama and church file out and it hit our family

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and we just kind of quit going to church. And

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I was probably ten twelve years old, and long story short,

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by the time I got my driver's license and got

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the keys of the car, I just went into total rebellion,

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started getting into drugs. I wanted to run around with

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the cool crowd, and next thing you know, I wasn't

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just in the cool crowd. I was leading that cool crowd.

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You know, I'd become really good at being bad. But

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looking back, it's like I had so many friends overdose

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right in front of me, doing the same amounts of

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stuff that I was doing. Had many friends dying car

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wrecks and pass away. And I had one friend that

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ended up being a quadriplegic from the neck down and

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was bedridden for like fifteen years before he finally succumbed

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to some kind of sickness.

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Speaker 1: Wow.

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Speaker 2: And they were a lot less severe wrecks than the

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ones I've had. I remember one time I rolled off

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the side of the mountain. I flipped the car three

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times and landed on its top. It's moshed like a pancake,

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and I hit a tree on the driver's side door

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and it broke the car in half. I didn't have

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a seatbelt on. I was getting through around that car

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the whole way down, walked away without a scratch. And

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it's just crazy looking back now, the divine protection that

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I had over my life. And it's not because I'm

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just so special. It's just because I had a good

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firm foundation and praying parents and grandparents. You know, you

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can easily say, yeah, I was just lucky, you know.

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I mean that was God and.

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Speaker 1: A father that loves you a lot, you know, yes,

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heavenly Father, yep, yep.

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Speaker 2: And ended up, you know, going through divorce, and I

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started trying to straighten my life out. And that's when

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I went through my divorce because the party was still

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going strong for her and I wasn't the fun guy

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no more. Started getting my life straightened out. Man met

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a good godly woman because God is perfect timing. She

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you know, I've always heard it said of a good

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woman to make a man better, and that's true. Yeah,

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it was probably twenty ten, maybe I discovered Tray Smith

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and his videos on YouTube just blew my mind and

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it resparked that that loved for the word of God

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in me, and I just started studying like crazy and

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then bumped into Mike Kaiser started reading his books. It

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just lit a fire under me, guys, and I could

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stop and here we are. You know, quite a few

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years later and hundreds of books later, I wanted to

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share that with other people, you know. So I tried

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to start a small group and in Hite of like

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fifteen twenty guys that I knew, four guys showed up

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and after a three meetings, my buddy Stephen was like, man,

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we should be recording this stuff. We should do a podcast.

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I was like, no, I've never even listened to a podcast.

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I mean, I know they talk, but that's about it.

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But here we are. I think we started in May

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and God's blessed it and it's just something we enjoy. Man,

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it's just fun, which I'm sure you guys can identify

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Speaker 3: I think it's cool that that started as just a

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small group meeting gonna morphed into.

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Speaker 1: Podcast.

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Speaker 2: Man.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a new one. I've never heard that one before.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: That's what Lindsey and I do outside of podcasting, is

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we plant We call them Kingdom communities. I'm actually an

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ordained Anglican priest and I don't really do much with

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that at all, because a lot of my theology has changed,

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you know, in those days. But we we plant what

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we call it, they're really house churches, but we plant

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just small kingdom communities, uh, in the Mississippi Delta and

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all around Mississippi right now. And we're part of a

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big missionary organization. So we understand what you're talking about.

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You get a good group of people together, you know,

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and the chemistry is really right. The Holy Spirit is

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just there. It's like Jesus said, where two or three

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are gathered together, he is in the midst of them.

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And so that's just that is a really cool genesis

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of your of your podcasting career. So that's cool. Y'all

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just started in May. Really Yeah, and y'all exploded, man,

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I mean you have, like I'm telling you, I.

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Speaker 2: Mean, it's blew my mind. I mean, it's just the

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guests that we've had and the the people that's just

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jumped on board with us. It's God. I mean, there's

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no other explanation for it. Extremely just to be able

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to participate.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm friends with Chris Probace on Camp Harman on

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on Facebook. Yeah, he's good dude. And and I just

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you know, I was struggling with like, how do you

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get people on your show, you know, with topics blah

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blah blah. And he said, look, you have not because

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you asked not basically, you know, it is just just

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ask people. And now they're already you know, he didn't

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say this, but they're already saying no. You know, if

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you don't ask them, so you might as well let

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them tell you if if they can't.

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Speaker 2: So.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, we've we've enjoyed the journey here. We have

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a lot to talk about it. I mean, I really

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we really want to pick your brain on some some

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stuff because this is something that's been fascinating to us.

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Number one, coming out of the the drug community here,

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and and then me a little bit of my background.

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I went through a massive, major depressive disorder which I'm

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still quote diagnosed with it unquote, and I had to

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take medicine or I would have died. And and so

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it was like I really struggled with it because a

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lot of my background, and in Lindsey's too, is we're

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we come from the charismatic background, and and some good

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part of it and some bad part of it. We've

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heard the whole don't take medicine. You know, you need

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to believe for your healing and stuff like that, which

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is true and in different circumstances. But we're we're really

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interested in picking your brain about a lot of this

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kind of stuff, and particularly talking about little that's where

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we really we're really interested in that.

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Speaker 2: I tell my wife all the time that you know,

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humanity is a very prideful creature. And uh, you know,

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if if you ever find that somebody says this is

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the way it is, you think that this is the

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way it is. God is somewhere in the middle. Yeah, know,

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his thoughts are not your thoughts. His ways are not

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your ways. So it's like, yeah, there's a lot of

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people that says, you know that medicine is the devil.

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people that says, no, you should trust in science. I'm

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the guy that's kind of in the middle. I mean,

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medicines and plants and all this stuff for us to use.

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Speaker 1: It's like it's our intent. It all comes back to

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our intent. Am I using this medicine to am I

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using DMT to alter my state to get into see

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spiritual things? Or you know, or am I taking this

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antidepressant to help me through a season. I'm not a

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big guy that could is staying on things forever and

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all that kind of But yeah, I think Lindsey and

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I both sit right where you are. My biggest argument

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and I don't like to argue anymore. I used to.

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I used to just argue, are you argue? And I

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lot of times, you know. Yeah, but my biggest argument

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was always well, you're wearing glasses, I mean glasses. Why

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don't you take your glasses off and read your Bible?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: You know, what's the difference in that? In medicine, you've

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given a prescription for your glasses. And usually that kind

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of stumps people a little bit. They're like, yeah, you know,

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he's kind of right. You know, not all science is bad.

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like the people that really harp on the wall.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: The one thing I always ask to my mother, well,

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I bet you one hundred dollars. I don't even see

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what you're wearing right now. But I about guarantee you

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that you're in violation of that wall that you hold

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up so near and dear. Perhaps you're probably wearing two

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different types of fabric. You've probably cut your hair, shaved

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your beard. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Well, and you can't just stone anybody. I mean that's huge.

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I mean, that's the question I want to ask people.

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I've Yeah, this is that's another whole podcast, just going.

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These Hebrew, Hebrew Roots and Sacred Name people have been

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giving me fits on the internet and and they make

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me want to learn to argue again, and I just

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I just blow it away. I just blow it off.

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I mean I just uh, I pray for them, and you.

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Speaker 2: Know that's really all you can do. Man.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, because a lot of us developed into a cult,

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cultic not not not even I mean even Seven Day Adventists,

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they were traditionally labeled a cult, but that they've kind

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of pulled out of a lot of that cult trying

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to become more mainstream. But but the Sacred Name Hebrew

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Roots people there, they're full fledged. You know, we're we're

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I mean there's even guys out there that say Paul

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was a heretic. And yeah, I mean oh man, anyway, way,

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off topic, let me shoot that rabbit. So anyway, so,

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so tell me about one of the main reasons we

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have you on here. The entity that was in your

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dreams was it was a Lilith? And how did you

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know this? Do you want to just tell the story

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about your dreams first before we get into that.

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word and far backs. I can remember. I was a

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very just vivid dreamer, and I could control my dreams,

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you know, a bad guy or whatever came in my dreams.

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I could always turn into the superhero with the kve

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didn't dream as much anymore. I just couldn't remember them.

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of choice? I'm sorry to interrupt you, but what what

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what was the primary drug use? Was it marijuana or

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was it something stronger?

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Speaker 2: Well, when I first started, honestly, it was it was

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just pot. I liked pot. A lot, and then uh

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experimented with some pills and stuff. But pot was always

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my drug of choice for a very long time. And

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it wasn't until uh, I'd say maybe junior. My junior year,

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I got exposed to methan fetamine. Yeah, and at that

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point I had always just done downers. So the first

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time I ever did an upper, you know, I mean,

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it was just like a total new thing for me.

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mother said it made me a zombie.

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I have to know this. I just got to know this.

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Did you take a terall.

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Speaker 2: On occasion? Yes?

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Speaker 1: Okay, every This is amazing. I mean, I'm sorry when

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we deal with the people that come through this place,

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ninety percent of them that were hooked on myth took

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out of all as kids.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, because the thing is too is it's pharmaceutical grade

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and fetamine that's all it is.

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It's legal myth. Yep.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And so well, my mother took me off of it.

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Then I found it later in my later years. And

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of course you know, it made me hyper, but it

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I couldn't sit still and pay attention in class. When

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I was doing that stuff in class, I was homed in,

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I was studying, I was taking notes, I was cleaning

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my room, and I did I did. It really turned

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me on. And I always like to draw. I always

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was always kind of artistic, you know, so, and when

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I would do that stuff, I would just set up

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for hours and draw. But it was weird because where

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I had that Christian foundation, I knew that it was wrong.

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I knew it was wrong. But me and my friends

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would have all night sermons. I'm not lying to you.

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We'd be sitting there doing these drugs and I'd be

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talking to them about God and creation. How can you

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deny there's a God? You know, we getting these really

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deep you know, theologian solving the problems of the world,

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you know, late night hour stuff. But of course, you know,

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a teenager, you know, you start looking you know, at

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Well then my dreams I honestly started turning, you know

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more more lucid, and I remember, I just had these

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lucid dreams all the time. And once I actually started

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you know, getting clean, getting my life together, and you know,

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it's time to grow up, uh Met, My wife started

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going to church, you know, getting my getting my act together,

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so to speak. I started having some like really like

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lower back pain. So I went to the doctor, you know,

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to try to get some scan see what was wrong

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with it, if I needed surgery or whatever, and he

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tried to put me on antidepressants and I was like, no,

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I said, I've read the side effects on that stuff.

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I said, besides that, I'm not depressed, I'm hurting, and

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he was. He kept pushing it, kept pushing it. He's like, well,

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he said, if you're really hurting, then you'll try it.

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He said, I'm telling you. He said, there's you know,

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these helped with pain, but without all the side effects

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of the narcotics. So at this point I was like,

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you know, I'll give it a try. So I tried them,

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and I took them for about a week or so,

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and I just started having all these nightmares, I mean

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just demonic nightmares. So then I go back and I

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tell him, I'm like I'm not taking this stuff. I'm

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getting nightmares. And he's like, well, it's probably the brand.

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Let's try a different brand. And we went through I

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think three different types, and finally that third type. I'll

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never forget it. I mean, just thinking about it makes

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the hairs on my arm stand up. I was in bed,

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sleeping and I had this vivid dream. I was in

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my truck driving down the road, had my wife and

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kids in the car, and as we're driving, we're on

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this little back road and I see this very huge,

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almost like buzzard bent over in the road, like eating

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on a like a dead deer or a dead carcass

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of some kind. So I stopped the car and I

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honked the horn at it, and you know, it's, you know,

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really large, bent over and got black feathers in the

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headlights of the truck. It's it's almost got a like

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a purple shimmer or purple tips to the feathers. And

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I honked the horn, it raised its head up and

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then it stood up and it was, you know, five

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and a half feet tall, and as it turned around,

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and of course the headlights of the truck is shining

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right at it. It was a naked woman in the

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front with arms of a human, but legs and feet

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of a bird, had long hair and a beak instead

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of a mouth, and it looked right at me, and

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I was just like frozen. I mean, you mean, I

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couldn't move. And then all of a sudden, it just

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swoops up into the air, and everybody in the vehicle's

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freaking out, you know, and I'm leaning over everybody like

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that's all right, guys, you know, it's gone. It's gone,

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and I'm about to start taking off again, and then

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just boom, it lands right beside the driver's side door

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and it opens my car door. And at this point,

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I'm trying to move. I can't move. I'm trying to yell.

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I can't yell. It's like I'm petrified, you know, I

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just dreaming puns exactly.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah.

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she puts her left hand on my inner thigh, and

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then it takes her right hand and starts rubbing my

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neck and chest and just just like fondling me, and

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then leans in and opens its beak and sticks its

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tongue out and starts rubbing the sides of my ears

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and my neck and stuff. And I can control my eyes,

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but that's the only thing I can control. And I

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looked over and my wife and kids that are like frozen.

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And then she whispers into my ear, I've missed you.

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but I'm still having the internal dialogue in my head

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and I'm just like, Jesus, Jesus, God, please help me, Jesus,

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Jesus the name of Jesus, please help me. And I'm

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just repeating this over and over and over in my head.

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And eventually I can feel my fingers starting to move.

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You know that numb and that numb tingling sensation you

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get through your fingers and hands when they start to

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go to sleep. That's what I started feeling. So my

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fingers started moving and I could move my neck, and

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then I was like, okay, I can move now, and

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I lean over and just just I tried to do

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as fast as I could, but I leaned over and

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I grabbed the car door and I slammed her arm

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and head into the car door. And when I did

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it just let out this great screech. I mean that

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would just pierce your ears and then flew up back

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into the sky and outside. And then I woke up

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just in a sweat, freaking.

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Speaker 1: Plumb out, imagine. So that's creepy.

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Speaker 2: And at this point, you know, I've been studying, you

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know what I mean, I've been studying the word and

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looking into stuff, deep diving, but I hadn't really been

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like looking into like, you know, the demonic and all

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this kind of stuff. So I was just like, you know,

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this is just some kind of crazy, demonic dream. It's

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just brought on by this medicine. So I immediately went

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I just flushed that medicine down the commode, and I

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told my wife about it, you know, and my wife

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it scared her to death too. But my wife, she's

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one of those she's got a dream book. She wakes up,

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she writes her dreams down, the colors everything, all that stuff,

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you know, she thinks holds significance. So I was telling

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her about it, and she's like, let's look this stuff

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up online and see what we can find. And so

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she was looking up you know, birds, black and purple feathers.

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She found, you know, purple was a color of royalty.

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So and I was like, well, this is a I guess,

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a high ranking demonic figure, you know. And then so

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then I just started searching, you know, bird woman, you know,

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or half woman, half bird, you know, and all this

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stuff started searching up. I never even heard of Lilith

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at this point, and then there the picture pops up

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and it was her. I mean, there was no doubt

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about it as soon as I seen it. And I

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clicked the image and it said Lilith, the Demon, the

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sheet Im and Lilith. So then I got to looking

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into her, you know, and the whole incubus succubist thing.

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And me and my wife went to a spiritual Warfare

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conference back in October when we met Vicky Joy Anderson.

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Because my wife, she deals with slip browless's quite off,

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so she was actually really excited to talk to Vicky

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Joy and she talked to her, and then I did too,

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and I just started describing the dream that I had,

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and immediately she stopped me and she said, you met Lilis,

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And I said, I sure did, and she said that

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she's working on a second book. She asked for my

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permission to put that in her book. But yeah, it

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was very scary at the time. But it was even

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more scarier once I realized who I was dealing with,

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who was trying to get at me. And now looking

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back all those lucid dreams that I had had, I

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think it was her then too, in disguise m because

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she said I've missed you.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, like she had a past with you.

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Speaker 2: Yes, And I hadn't seen her had any of them

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dreams in a long time.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Wow, Yeah, that's uh, that's something else. Man.

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Speaker 3: It's been different if you had studied or read about

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Lilith before and then that'd be an easy explanation.

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Speaker 1: But you didn't.

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Speaker 2: No, I had no.

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Speaker 1: Idea did I was gonna ask you after after this occurred,

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did you have any more instances of it or any more?

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I mean, what did you do to prevent this from

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happening again? That's probably a better question, better framed question there.

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Speaker 2: And honestly, I think it was it was the medicine,

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because that's the only thing that I was doing different,

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you know. I mean, of course, you know I prayed

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up and uh, it was more I guess, uh only

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alert about it, But it was it was the medicine.

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I swear I think the medicine just kind of weakened

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to be enough to where she could get to me again,

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because all the other times I dealt with her was

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during weak in states of mind, when I was, you know,

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on all these drugs and stuff.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, kind of I was going to ask, what do

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you think about the drugs you were on? You know,

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because people who don't take these medicines encounter them to

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what do you think it is about the drugs that

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makes you more and these particular drugs that makes you

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more susceptible to these sorts of things.

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Speaker 2: Well, my opinion, honestly is there's some people, and I

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guess I could call it, you know, you know, fruits

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of the spirit and gifts of the spirit that are

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more in tune with the supernatural and the spirit realm.

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My wife being.

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Speaker 1: One of them, like sears. I mean, I believe in that. Yeah,

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seers still exists. They're not all new age, you know.

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Speaker 2: No. And my wife she can, honestly like she can

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sense you know, dark or evil people or situations. I mean,

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we talked about this one time in one of our

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episodes that we had with her, because she's done a

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lot of missionary work. We were at a flea market

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one time, and she saw some of those salt crystals

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and stuff supposed to help you with sciences and all

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this kind of stuff. And she's like, I'd like to

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go in there and look around. They say that stuff

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really helps with sinuses and all this kind of stuff.

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So we walk in, and I'm not lying, we steck

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one foot inside of this place, and she immediately stops

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and she just starts shaking our hands and she says, ooh,

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what you know. I thought she'd about to get sick

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or pass out or something. And she's like, I just

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feel so heavy right now. She said there's something dark

473
00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:13,440
in here. She said, something demonic. She said, a witchcraft.

474
00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:15,559
She says, I have to get out here. She said,

475
00:28:15,839 --> 00:28:18,960
I'm going to be sick. And she turned around, and

476
00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:21,000
I was going out of the store with her, and

477
00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:25,039
as I was turning around, the very back of the building,

478
00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:28,960
on the one of the racks was Ouiji boards and

479
00:28:30,759 --> 00:28:32,920
rooms and all this kind of stuff. I mean, she

480
00:28:33,039 --> 00:28:38,640
didn't see that stuff. She felt it. But I think

481
00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:42,079
some people just got that gift for that thing. But

482
00:28:42,319 --> 00:28:45,240
I mean, if you look at guys, I mean, this

483
00:28:45,319 --> 00:28:49,799
is a multi dimensional place which we live. Yeah, we

484
00:28:49,880 --> 00:28:53,759
share this realm with many spirits and entities. We just

485
00:28:53,799 --> 00:28:57,079
can't see them. You know. It's like we have a

486
00:28:57,160 --> 00:29:02,839
veil over our eyes. I firmly lead the drugs remove

487
00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:09,119
and weaken that fail. You know. Uh like for example, uh,

488
00:29:10,519 --> 00:29:14,640
like a testa rat, you know, a tests are at

489
00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:19,640
You know, when you talk about dimensions, they're essentially directions.

490
00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:23,279
You know, a piece of paper, you can draw a

491
00:29:23,319 --> 00:29:26,519
line straight across, and you can draw a line up

492
00:29:26,519 --> 00:29:29,359
and down X and y axis. A piece of paper

493
00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:33,200
is only two dimensions. You know. In real life we

494
00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:35,880
can also go forward and backwards. You know. This is

495
00:29:35,880 --> 00:29:39,240
what gives us our depth perception. You know, so humanity

496
00:29:39,279 --> 00:29:43,880
sees in three directions or three D three dimensional. You know,

497
00:29:45,480 --> 00:29:48,839
this is all that we can perceive. You know, just

498
00:29:48,839 --> 00:29:52,079
because we can't see something due to id limitations doesn't

499
00:29:52,119 --> 00:29:53,319
mean that it's not there.

500
00:29:54,319 --> 00:29:54,839
Speaker 1: Yeah.

501
00:29:55,200 --> 00:29:58,240
Speaker 2: You know, like if like me, for instance, I drew

502
00:29:58,400 --> 00:30:01,160
on a piece of paper figure of a boy and

503
00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:03,559
a stick figure of a girl, and we'll call Tom

504
00:30:03,599 --> 00:30:09,039
and Sally. They're there in their two dimensional world. I'm

505
00:30:09,119 --> 00:30:11,839
right in front of them. In my three dimensional world,

506
00:30:11,920 --> 00:30:13,920
I can get face to face with them and they

507
00:30:13,920 --> 00:30:18,680
can never see me. And even Tom if Tom could

508
00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:20,880
turn his head and see Sally, he would just see

509
00:30:20,920 --> 00:30:23,880
a straight line because he's in a two dimensional world.

510
00:30:25,039 --> 00:30:26,960
You know. I could even take my pencil and stab

511
00:30:27,119 --> 00:30:30,240
through that piece of paper and all he would see

512
00:30:30,279 --> 00:30:33,880
is a circle coming at him, getting bigger, and then

513
00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:39,079
fading away. There's so many dimensions. It's just we are

514
00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:41,519
limited to that. And I swear I think that comes

515
00:30:41,599 --> 00:30:43,799
back to Adam and Eve. You know, when they ate

516
00:30:43,839 --> 00:30:47,400
the apple, it says their eyes were opened, you know.

517
00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:52,720
In other words, I believe that their eyes, their human eyes,

518
00:30:52,799 --> 00:30:55,319
were open to a three D world. They were exiled

519
00:30:55,319 --> 00:30:57,559
from the fourth, fifth, maybe even sixth dimension.

520
00:31:00,279 --> 00:31:03,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it's been long speculated that, you know,

521
00:31:03,519 --> 00:31:05,799
they say we only use this, well, I forget what

522
00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:10,160
percentage certain percentage of our brains, and that possibly Outam

523
00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:14,519
an Eve used those those other percentages before they fell.

524
00:31:15,680 --> 00:31:18,599
And the other thing I wanted to bring up to

525
00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:24,160
is I'm studying William Ramsey's books right now and I'm

526
00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:31,319
on the first one about Crowley. It's not a coincidence

527
00:31:31,359 --> 00:31:36,000
to me really looking at him, but even going back

528
00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:42,240
thousands and thousands of years that most occultic rituals have

529
00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:48,039
some sort of a drug involved, whether it's Native American,

530
00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:57,680
the Beast himself, you know, or even people nowadays. The

531
00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:00,359
big thing I think today is Ian tea.

532
00:32:01,279 --> 00:32:04,599
Speaker 2: Yeah, and Alasco that's a big thing coming coming out.

533
00:32:05,319 --> 00:32:06,119
Speaker 1: Yeah.

534
00:32:06,559 --> 00:32:08,880
Speaker 2: Now all the Indians use that stuff to you know,

535
00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:10,559
to communicate with the divine.

536
00:32:11,039 --> 00:32:14,920
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, And so yeah, you're right, there's something about

537
00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:20,079
that that just takes the veil because it's really thin.

538
00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:22,759
I mean, I read a guy several years ago named

539
00:32:22,799 --> 00:32:26,359
Dallas Willard, and he really opened me up to the

540
00:32:26,519 --> 00:32:29,079
nearness of the Kingdom of God. I used to always think,

541
00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:30,799
like when I would read the Book of Hebrews and

542
00:32:30,839 --> 00:32:33,599
would say, there were surrounded by a great cloud of witnesses,

543
00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:35,839
that we were like in some kind of colisseum, and

544
00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:38,799
they were all looking down at the earth and all this,

545
00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:41,559
and I start I started to realize that, no, we're

546
00:32:41,599 --> 00:32:45,839
really literally surrounded by a great cloud of witnesses. These

547
00:32:45,839 --> 00:32:48,519
people are literally around us. They're just in an extra

548
00:32:48,559 --> 00:32:52,160
dimension that we can't see, like your example of Tom

549
00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:56,519
and you you know, and and the Kingdom of God

550
00:32:56,599 --> 00:33:00,240
is at hand, and there's all these thin spaces and

551
00:33:01,279 --> 00:33:03,240
in places. That's what the Celts used to call it

552
00:33:03,279 --> 00:33:08,160
then spaces in places where where it's so thin that

553
00:33:08,279 --> 00:33:14,440
it's like it wasn't eden. I think drugs are an

554
00:33:14,480 --> 00:33:19,160
illegal so to speak, way to get into that dimension,

555
00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:21,680
you know, without going through the legal way, which would

556
00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:25,039
be a God given gift, you know, like your wife.

557
00:33:26,279 --> 00:33:28,559
Speaker 2: Well, even look at your eye, you know what I mean.

558
00:33:29,519 --> 00:33:33,920
If you're looking at an apple, you see it as red. Well,

559
00:33:33,920 --> 00:33:37,640
physically that apple is not red. That color is every

560
00:33:37,680 --> 00:33:42,119
single color of the spectrum except red. Your eye picks

561
00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:48,200
up the color that that object rejects. Your eye is

562
00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:53,960
basically a transmitter, and your brain is the computer, you know.

563
00:33:54,599 --> 00:33:56,920
You know, doctor Sir John Eckles, he said, the human

564
00:33:56,960 --> 00:34:00,400
brain is a machine that a ghost can operate. You know.

565
00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:02,640
The body is a vehicle, and the soul or the

566
00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:08,159
conscience if you want to call it, it is the driver. Yeah.

567
00:34:08,199 --> 00:34:11,760
So if you're not behind the wheel, who's driving exactly?

568
00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:16,199
Speaker 1: Exactly? And sometimes we're driving and when we have somebody

569
00:34:16,199 --> 00:34:18,760
in the passenger seat with us that we don't need

570
00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:21,360
to need to have, you know, it's telling us where

571
00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:21,679
to go.

572
00:34:22,599 --> 00:34:23,440
Speaker 2: Yeah.

573
00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:26,400
Speaker 1: But yeah, that goes back to Sadie And I've been

574
00:34:26,400 --> 00:34:29,840
doing a law study and on frequency and sound, and

575
00:34:30,159 --> 00:34:32,960
and that that's all intertwined, you know, because color is

576
00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:37,840
a frequency too, and the occult knows how to manipulate

577
00:34:37,880 --> 00:34:43,639
all that. That just comes back down from I wasn't

578
00:34:43,639 --> 00:34:46,079
going to bring it up, but Genesis six when the

579
00:34:46,079 --> 00:34:50,280
Watchers gave all this knowledge to us, Yeah, we.

580
00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:50,880
Speaker 2: Got to bring.

581
00:34:53,039 --> 00:34:56,639
Speaker 1: Yeah every episode. Yeah, Well, I mean it's the different sciences.

582
00:34:57,119 --> 00:34:59,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, you have the cutting of roots like the Book

583
00:34:59,559 --> 00:35:02,199
of Enoch cause it you know, they talked to stuff.

584
00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:08,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, yep, yep, definitely. So Lizzie, did you have a

585
00:35:08,039 --> 00:35:09,480
question you want to ask him?

586
00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:12,639
Speaker 3: Well, I was gonna ask did you see anything other

587
00:35:12,679 --> 00:35:16,239
than Lilith? Do you see any other entities beings that you.

588
00:35:18,800 --> 00:35:20,760
Speaker 1: Well, any of them, any of your any if you've

589
00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:23,920
seen anything else, were they benevolent? That's that's my part

590
00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:24,400
of the question.

591
00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:28,480
Speaker 2: Well with me, it's like like I was talking about,

592
00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:30,679
you know, there are some people that's more sensitive to

593
00:35:30,679 --> 00:35:34,639
it and stuff like that. Uh. Either I am just

594
00:35:34,679 --> 00:35:39,760
not really that sensitive to the spiritual spirit realm, or

595
00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:43,119
or honestly I had with all the drug abuse, I

596
00:35:43,159 --> 00:35:47,960
have desensitized myself. Uh. I remember when I was younger,

597
00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:51,480
I used to look for the supernatural I was that guy,

598
00:35:51,639 --> 00:35:54,519
and honestly that that would play with a wichi board

599
00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:57,400
and hope for something. I was the guy that would

600
00:35:57,840 --> 00:36:02,039
watch all the hauling shows, go to these haunted houses

601
00:36:02,079 --> 00:36:05,000
and stuff to try to see something, and never would.

602
00:36:06,079 --> 00:36:11,519
But now I have had experiences, you know, uh, with

603
00:36:11,519 --> 00:36:14,360
with certain drugs, with with with people and being up

604
00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:18,079
for two three days with no sleep and nothing to

605
00:36:18,119 --> 00:36:22,440
eat and see the shadow people mm hm, and hear

606
00:36:23,679 --> 00:36:28,079
people walking through the house and you know, peeking out

607
00:36:28,119 --> 00:36:31,079
the blinds and all that stuff, you know, and everybody

608
00:36:31,159 --> 00:36:34,519
just you know takes that to well know, you're just

609
00:36:34,599 --> 00:36:37,440
you know, they caught you know, your tweaking. You know,

610
00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:39,360
you ain't had any sleep or nothing to eat. Your

611
00:36:39,360 --> 00:36:42,880
mind's playing tricks on you. But it's it's funny how

612
00:36:44,159 --> 00:36:47,400
that correlates with with sleep paralysis and all these people,

613
00:36:47,440 --> 00:36:50,639
because what they all say, they say they see shadowy

614
00:36:50,679 --> 00:36:54,719
apparitions and and the hat people. Yeah, I mean I

615
00:36:54,760 --> 00:36:57,239
think they're connected too.

616
00:36:57,480 --> 00:36:59,159
Speaker 1: Yeah, definitely nept from mind.

617
00:36:59,199 --> 00:37:02,400
Speaker 3: I had the little just the paralysis version. I know,

618
00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:04,960
I don't know why. I'm glad I didn't see anything.

619
00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:11,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you know, my my wife and now she

620
00:37:11,400 --> 00:37:16,320
gets some quiet off and she'll have them where they

621
00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:20,079
sit on the edge of the bed, scratch her back,

622
00:37:22,119 --> 00:37:24,400
jump over the top of the bed, back and forth,

623
00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:28,480
and just you know, toy with her. Honestly, one night

624
00:37:28,559 --> 00:37:32,159
she had one, and I was actually home because I've

625
00:37:32,159 --> 00:37:34,800
worked night shift most of my life, so she has to,

626
00:37:35,039 --> 00:37:38,639
you know, be here by herself a lot. But I

627
00:37:38,719 --> 00:37:40,920
was actually home. I think it might have been a weekend,

628
00:37:41,840 --> 00:37:46,199
and I was in the living room playing Call of

629
00:37:46,280 --> 00:37:47,960
Duty or something like that, was playing some kind of

630
00:37:48,039 --> 00:37:52,920
video who game, and I heard her like moaning and

631
00:37:53,119 --> 00:37:57,079
like tuesseling in bed. So I went to go check

632
00:37:57,079 --> 00:38:01,719
on her, and I'm I'm not crapping you. I walked

633
00:38:01,719 --> 00:38:04,880
down the hallway and she had a little lamp on

634
00:38:06,039 --> 00:38:08,559
beside the knights dam because she would always she always

635
00:38:08,559 --> 00:38:12,199
sits up and reads till she nods out. So I

636
00:38:12,360 --> 00:38:15,719
walked into the bedroom. I mean I literally just entered

637
00:38:15,719 --> 00:38:19,800
the threshold of the door, and when I did, she

638
00:38:20,559 --> 00:38:23,280
like jumps up out of bed, like she just was

639
00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:25,760
sprung loose, I guess, but she just like set up.

640
00:38:26,039 --> 00:38:29,599
She sprung up real fast and took a huge gasp

641
00:38:29,639 --> 00:38:33,400
from when she did. The light bulb blue and I

642
00:38:33,440 --> 00:38:37,000
saw that Wow, there ain't no you know, this was

643
00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:40,519
somebody's mind playing tricks. I don't know. I was a

644
00:38:40,639 --> 00:38:44,760
third party and I witnessed. It's like me walking in

645
00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:50,519
the room startled it or severed its connection and like

646
00:38:51,239 --> 00:38:54,000
I don't know, maybe it taking off and leaving the

647
00:38:54,079 --> 00:38:55,920
room so fast it sucked the energy out of the

648
00:38:56,000 --> 00:39:00,920
room and killed the ball. M wild stuff.

649
00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:02,800
Speaker 1: That is wild stuff.

650
00:39:03,039 --> 00:39:07,880
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, just because you don't see it don't mean

651
00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:09,639
it ain't there. And what's crazy is like when you

652
00:39:09,719 --> 00:39:12,920
used research, especially like the tests are at you know,

653
00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:15,599
this is scientific geometry and stuff. You know, these are

654
00:39:15,639 --> 00:39:19,960
the science guys. They they say, plainly, that's how they

655
00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:22,800
described the tests. Rat they say, you know, just because

656
00:39:22,920 --> 00:39:24,840
you can't see it, you know, it doesn't mean that

657
00:39:24,920 --> 00:39:26,039
it's it's not there.

658
00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:30,559
Speaker 3: Well, Carl Sagan, who didn't really believe as far as

659
00:39:30,559 --> 00:39:33,360
he knew in a spiritual world, still believed there must

660
00:39:33,360 --> 00:39:35,840
be some other Yeah, he used it.

661
00:39:36,280 --> 00:39:37,199
Speaker 1: I watched an old.

662
00:39:37,079 --> 00:39:39,920
Speaker 3: Video of him. It was that guy that was a

663
00:39:40,079 --> 00:39:42,480
billions and billions and billions guy.

664
00:39:43,400 --> 00:39:44,280
Speaker 1: That was kind of his thing.

665
00:39:44,320 --> 00:39:49,239
Speaker 3: But yeah, he he talks about that. And but as

666
00:39:49,239 --> 00:39:52,599
a materialist doesn't believe in anything spiritual. I don't know

667
00:39:52,719 --> 00:39:56,719
how that works, but yeah.

668
00:39:55,679 --> 00:39:57,960
Speaker 2: And how do you guys ever actually looked into the

669
00:39:57,960 --> 00:39:59,639
tests are at.

670
00:39:59,320 --> 00:40:01,760
Speaker 1: No, I'm going to have that out.

671
00:40:02,039 --> 00:40:06,320
Speaker 3: Just taking video a little bit. He did something along

672
00:40:06,360 --> 00:40:06,960
those lines.

673
00:40:08,960 --> 00:40:11,880
Speaker 2: Is it's more than a box in a madel movie.

674
00:40:12,239 --> 00:40:15,159
But it's uh, you know, it's it's basically a cube

675
00:40:15,360 --> 00:40:17,159
and they show you, you know how you know, we

676
00:40:17,320 --> 00:40:20,599
perceive it in a two dimensional or a three dimensional world,

677
00:40:21,119 --> 00:40:24,159
you know, but if it's separated a cube, it you know,

678
00:40:24,199 --> 00:40:27,960
it's six shapes in a two dimensional space, six shapes

679
00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:33,119
compiled into one. Well then that turns into eight in

680
00:40:33,159 --> 00:40:37,400
a three dimensional space, and and it makes a cross.

681
00:40:38,920 --> 00:40:39,320
Speaker 1: Wow.

682
00:40:40,079 --> 00:40:44,039
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's unfolding the cube and the way they

683
00:40:44,079 --> 00:40:47,599
draw it in their geometry and everything else. It's across.

684
00:40:48,880 --> 00:40:51,760
Speaker 1: You see. I wonder back to the drug thing, if

685
00:40:52,079 --> 00:40:56,400
if we can see into more dimensions, not just the

686
00:40:56,440 --> 00:41:00,880
spirit realm, so to speak, but into into more dimensions

687
00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:05,000
with drug use, you know, if that's a possibility, I

688
00:41:05,039 --> 00:41:05,440
think so.

689
00:41:06,039 --> 00:41:08,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, because me and I used to experiment. I mean

690
00:41:08,920 --> 00:41:13,599
I I've experimented with a lot of stuff. Uh, And

691
00:41:13,679 --> 00:41:17,400
I had one friend in particular, me and him would

692
00:41:17,519 --> 00:41:24,400
like to, you know, take trips. Ever so often we

693
00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:26,800
just you know, talked about that. But me, I never

694
00:41:26,840 --> 00:41:30,519
had any religious experience with it. And I honestly believe

695
00:41:31,320 --> 00:41:34,519
it's because I had a good firm foundation. Now I

696
00:41:34,519 --> 00:41:36,599
know some people saying, oh, well, you're talking about having

697
00:41:36,599 --> 00:41:40,960
a good firm foundation and doing drugs. I was the

698
00:41:41,039 --> 00:41:44,440
prodigal son embodied. I wasn't doing what I needed to

699
00:41:44,440 --> 00:41:48,320
be doing. But I knew right from wrong. I knew,

700
00:41:49,199 --> 00:41:52,960
you know, I mean, the foundation was there, but this

701
00:41:53,079 --> 00:41:56,559
other friend of mine, the foundation wasn't. So me, I

702
00:41:56,599 --> 00:41:59,119
would see, you know what I mean. I'd see the

703
00:41:59,159 --> 00:42:03,239
carpet rolling a conveyor belt, or the wills melt, you know,

704
00:42:03,480 --> 00:42:06,639
or the stars dancing the sky, you know, little stuff

705
00:42:06,719 --> 00:42:15,360
like that. But my other friend, he would see shadowy figures, numbers,

706
00:42:17,320 --> 00:42:20,559
beings appeared to him and talk to him. And I'll

707
00:42:20,599 --> 00:42:26,159
never forget it. I'll never forget it. One night, h

708
00:42:26,599 --> 00:42:30,000
after tripping, when he come back to and it could

709
00:42:30,039 --> 00:42:34,480
actually you know, talking form of conversation, he was like,

710
00:42:34,719 --> 00:42:39,119
oh man, he said, said I had the most beautiful vision.

711
00:42:40,159 --> 00:42:43,079
He said, he said, if it wasn't God, it was

712
00:42:43,119 --> 00:42:45,559
an angel, you know, And all this stuff, and this

713
00:42:45,639 --> 00:42:48,280
was a guy that, you know what I mean, didn't

714
00:42:48,280 --> 00:42:52,000
really profess God, you know what I mean, right, And

715
00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:54,400
and I'm like, well, well did you see And he

716
00:42:54,519 --> 00:42:57,239
was like, I seen this dark apparition. He's like a

717
00:42:57,280 --> 00:43:01,119
shadowy figure. And they were dancing in front of me,

718
00:43:01,840 --> 00:43:04,000
he said, and kind of twisting side to side, and

719
00:43:04,039 --> 00:43:07,000
he was sitting there mimicking it. And it looked like

720
00:43:07,039 --> 00:43:12,079
a serpent twisting, and he said. And they were dancing

721
00:43:12,079 --> 00:43:14,159
and weaving their head side to side and twisting, and

722
00:43:14,239 --> 00:43:17,880
he said, and walking towards me. And in their hand

723
00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:21,679
they had a ball of light, he said. And as

724
00:43:21,719 --> 00:43:25,519
they were twisting and coming up to me, they extended

725
00:43:25,519 --> 00:43:31,000
the ball and thrust it into my chest, he said.

726
00:43:31,119 --> 00:43:33,880
And I immediately, he said, just felt warmth, he said,

727
00:43:33,920 --> 00:43:36,719
all threw out my body. I felt my toes tingling,

728
00:43:36,760 --> 00:43:39,480
and the hair on my head standing up, he said,

729
00:43:39,800 --> 00:43:43,480
he said. And I was just glowing with light, he said.

730
00:43:43,880 --> 00:43:48,320
And it was the most beautiful and peaceful, just grand

731
00:43:48,440 --> 00:43:52,760
thing that that ever felt, he said, he said. And

732
00:43:52,800 --> 00:43:54,840
I was just basking in it like I was basking

733
00:43:54,880 --> 00:43:57,480
in the sun, he said. And I had my eyes closed,

734
00:43:57,480 --> 00:43:58,920
he said, And I went to open my eyes to

735
00:43:58,960 --> 00:44:01,400
try to communicate with this thing, he said, and it

736
00:44:01,480 --> 00:44:04,960
was gone, he said, in my life just faded away.

737
00:44:07,639 --> 00:44:11,079
And I was like, dude, that wasn't know God and

738
00:44:11,119 --> 00:44:12,760
no angel. I mean it was dark and it was

739
00:44:12,800 --> 00:44:14,320
twisting at you like a serpent.

740
00:44:15,159 --> 00:44:17,719
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I mean that's that's what Scrapcher says.

741
00:44:18,280 --> 00:44:21,239
Speaker 2: You know, Satan portrays himself as an angel of white.

742
00:44:22,320 --> 00:44:25,039
Speaker 1: Well, if you've read Doug van Dorn's book on Giants,

743
00:44:25,039 --> 00:44:29,239
you remember those pictures in that book about the what

744
00:44:29,360 --> 00:44:34,280
the snakes they there, their their legs were snakes, the nephilem,

745
00:44:34,559 --> 00:44:37,840
which that that just fascinates me. How it's cultural wide.

746
00:44:37,880 --> 00:44:39,559
I mean, that's what I thought about when you were

747
00:44:39,920 --> 00:44:42,960
when you were telling that that story. No, that that

748
00:44:43,119 --> 00:44:45,239
was It might have been an angel, but it wasn't

749
00:44:45,239 --> 00:44:45,719
a good one.

750
00:44:46,559 --> 00:44:50,760
Speaker 2: Yeah. So and one thing too, I want to relay,

751
00:44:51,079 --> 00:44:55,840
you know, to anybody listening. I'm not trying to glorify,

752
00:44:56,800 --> 00:44:57,920
right drugs.

753
00:44:58,440 --> 00:44:59,280
Speaker 1: No, we aren't either.

754
00:45:00,559 --> 00:45:04,320
Speaker 2: It's very humbling for me to even say these things

755
00:45:04,360 --> 00:45:10,159
because I'm so not proud of them. But with that

756
00:45:10,320 --> 00:45:17,119
being said, I'm hoping if somebody hears this that's just

757
00:45:17,239 --> 00:45:25,320
now starting to dabble or know, somebody get out why again? Yeah,

758
00:45:25,880 --> 00:45:27,280
And I'm choking up as I say this.

759
00:45:31,440 --> 00:45:34,639
Speaker 3: Sorry, it's okay, man.

760
00:45:35,119 --> 00:45:40,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, I had a lot of friends that wasn't as

761
00:45:40,519 --> 00:45:47,280
lucky as I was. And you've got a father that

762
00:45:47,360 --> 00:45:52,800
loves you. M you don't want you in that crap. Yeah,

763
00:45:52,920 --> 00:45:55,480
and you've got a lot higher purpose that said around

764
00:45:55,599 --> 00:45:57,280
just get high.

765
00:45:57,760 --> 00:45:59,280
Speaker 1: Yeah yep.

766
00:46:00,480 --> 00:46:03,679
Speaker 3: Well, right before you got on, we were talking a

767
00:46:03,679 --> 00:46:07,320
little bit because I was reading about him, just because

768
00:46:07,360 --> 00:46:10,920
they both had anyway back during the whole Jesus Freak

769
00:46:11,119 --> 00:46:14,000
Jesus People movement in the sixties and seventies, when the

770
00:46:14,119 --> 00:46:18,239
hippies were starting to come to faith in Christ. You

771
00:46:18,320 --> 00:46:22,599
had Keith Green, he was a musician and big in

772
00:46:22,639 --> 00:46:26,480
that movement. And then you had Lennie Frisbee, who he's

773
00:46:26,480 --> 00:46:28,079
in a movie that just came.

774
00:46:27,880 --> 00:46:30,840
Speaker 1: Out they did about revolution. Yeah.

775
00:46:30,920 --> 00:46:31,400
Speaker 3: Revolution.

776
00:46:33,880 --> 00:46:34,559
Speaker 1: Yeah.

777
00:46:35,199 --> 00:46:40,960
Speaker 3: Both of them talk about experiences with acid and Keith Green.

778
00:46:41,199 --> 00:46:43,280
I never took acid. I had friends who did. But

779
00:46:44,239 --> 00:46:47,800
Keith Green's situation, he referred to it as a bad trip.

780
00:46:48,719 --> 00:46:52,199
I read a read a biography years ago, but he

781
00:46:52,239 --> 00:46:56,440
said the Lord still kind of in the midst of

782
00:46:56,480 --> 00:46:59,639
all that darkness, kind of came to him, and it

783
00:46:59,719 --> 00:47:01,880
was before he had fully committed to the Lord, but

784
00:47:02,000 --> 00:47:04,320
was kind of on the the way, I think, if

785
00:47:04,360 --> 00:47:09,559
I remember correctly, and just comforted him and was there.

786
00:47:10,079 --> 00:47:13,360
And in Lonnie Frisbee's case, and he was a much

787
00:47:13,400 --> 00:47:19,079
more controversial figure, and I don't think he ever necessarily

788
00:47:19,320 --> 00:47:23,159
said he wasn't. But in his case, you know, it

789
00:47:23,360 --> 00:47:27,039
wasn't necessarily a bad trip. But you know, he claimed

790
00:47:27,119 --> 00:47:31,119
the Lord kind of revealed himself to him while he

791
00:47:31,159 --> 00:47:37,159
was on acid and brought him out of that. Yeah,

792
00:47:37,400 --> 00:47:41,079
we got to meet us in any state and we're

793
00:47:41,119 --> 00:47:44,039
in and you know, it's it's not hopeless.

794
00:47:44,039 --> 00:47:45,000
Speaker 2: I guess I wanted to.

795
00:47:45,440 --> 00:47:47,920
Speaker 1: Well, do you remember that time we were out prayer

796
00:47:48,000 --> 00:47:51,639
walking in Yazoo and and that that guy was drunk

797
00:47:51,679 --> 00:47:53,320
on the porch and we prayed for him and he

798
00:47:53,360 --> 00:47:59,400
sobered up? You remember that. I mean, I may not

799
00:47:59,400 --> 00:48:01,800
have been with y'all for that one, but but obviously,

800
00:48:01,880 --> 00:48:05,800
see God, you know he's he's he's in the miraculous business.

801
00:48:05,800 --> 00:48:07,400
So he can do Yeah, he can appear in an

802
00:48:07,559 --> 00:48:11,000
LSD trip. And that's why I was asking earlier if

803
00:48:11,000 --> 00:48:15,559
you if you had ever encountered anything benevolent. It's it's

804
00:48:15,559 --> 00:48:18,000
hard to tell though when That's why you should even

805
00:48:18,039 --> 00:48:20,800
really even dabble in that world is because you don't

806
00:48:20,840 --> 00:48:23,280
have the word of God there to help you discern

807
00:48:23,920 --> 00:48:27,639
what what am I? What am I experiencing exactly?

808
00:48:27,760 --> 00:48:30,199
Speaker 2: And that's why he tells you not to. You know,

809
00:48:30,480 --> 00:48:34,800
we can't care the difference. We judge too much things

810
00:48:34,800 --> 00:48:37,320
on feelings, what feels good, you.

811
00:48:37,280 --> 00:48:41,400
Speaker 1: Know, emotions. Yeah, my wife tells me this all the time,

812
00:48:41,440 --> 00:48:43,719
and she says, you don't want your emotions to ride

813
00:48:43,760 --> 00:48:45,719
in a trunk because then they'll they'll they'll come back

814
00:48:45,760 --> 00:48:48,519
to haunt you. You don't you don't want them to drive,

815
00:48:48,639 --> 00:48:50,519
because if they drive, then you're going to be pretty

816
00:48:50,519 --> 00:48:52,800
screwed up. You want them to be over in the

817
00:48:52,840 --> 00:48:55,679
passenger seat. That way they can help you out if

818
00:48:55,719 --> 00:48:57,360
they need to, and then they can just shut up

819
00:48:57,400 --> 00:48:58,320
if they don't, you know.

820
00:48:58,599 --> 00:49:01,840
Speaker 2: So yeah, and that's the thing till I love that

821
00:49:01,920 --> 00:49:05,800
analogy with the driving because you know, I was talking

822
00:49:05,800 --> 00:49:08,280
to your wife for a show. You know, I used

823
00:49:08,280 --> 00:49:11,239
to be a big nerd back in dialogue days. You know,

824
00:49:11,280 --> 00:49:13,880
I used to do all that HTML coding and stuff

825
00:49:13,920 --> 00:49:14,320
like that.

826
00:49:15,079 --> 00:49:19,440
Speaker 1: So bulletin boards, bulletin boards.

827
00:49:19,679 --> 00:49:20,960
Speaker 2: I was an angel fire guy.

828
00:49:21,159 --> 00:49:23,519
Speaker 1: You remember those days, yep, I remember those days.

829
00:49:23,559 --> 00:49:28,400
Speaker 2: Yeah. But you know, back then, you had a at

830
00:49:28,440 --> 00:49:31,440
the top. You know, you had a show and source key.

831
00:49:32,440 --> 00:49:36,400
You know, you see all these beautiful images and links

832
00:49:36,400 --> 00:49:38,280
and all this kind of stuff. But when you hit

833
00:49:38,639 --> 00:49:42,360
show source, all you had was a bunch of arrows

834
00:49:42,400 --> 00:49:47,920
pointing and numbers and just crazy letters and equal signs

835
00:49:47,960 --> 00:49:51,679
and all this stuff. That's the coating that makes up

836
00:49:52,000 --> 00:49:55,000
the Internet world to make these images and stuff you see.

837
00:49:55,719 --> 00:49:58,039
I believe like when you do these these drugs and

838
00:49:58,039 --> 00:49:59,800
stuff like that, because I mean even some of these

839
00:49:59,800 --> 00:50:02,920
guys that do the you know, d MT and alasca

840
00:50:02,960 --> 00:50:07,000
and all this stuff talk about they see numbers and

841
00:50:07,159 --> 00:50:10,519
letters and all these kind of coding and stuff. It's

842
00:50:10,599 --> 00:50:14,159
like almost like you're hitting the show key button on

843
00:50:15,159 --> 00:50:19,159
the realm, you know. And it's d MT is an

844
00:50:19,159 --> 00:50:24,039
actual chemical your body produces before death. You know. It's

845
00:50:24,119 --> 00:50:28,199
kind of like before death, your body releases this to

846
00:50:28,400 --> 00:50:31,760
unveil you, to get you ready to go into the

847
00:50:31,800 --> 00:50:36,360
next dimension. And it's your soul, your conscience, whatever you

848
00:50:36,400 --> 00:50:40,159
want to call it, is who you are. This body

849
00:50:40,360 --> 00:50:44,760
is nothing but a vehicle in which you drive, and

850
00:50:44,800 --> 00:50:47,800
think about it when you're sixteen years old, if you

851
00:50:47,920 --> 00:50:51,159
were you know, fortunate enough, and your parents got you

852
00:50:51,159 --> 00:50:53,760
your first car, you got a piece of jump for

853
00:50:53,840 --> 00:50:57,599
you first one, because they knew more than likely you're

854
00:50:57,639 --> 00:51:00,880
going to wreck it, you're going to destroy it. But hey,

855
00:51:00,960 --> 00:51:03,199
they're going to give you an honest chance to see

856
00:51:03,199 --> 00:51:04,920
what you can do with it. Now, if you drive

857
00:51:05,039 --> 00:51:07,400
good and then you're responsible, you don't get no tickets.

858
00:51:08,119 --> 00:51:10,400
That's when you get the upgrade and get the nice right,

859
00:51:11,079 --> 00:51:14,480
Our heavenly father is no difference to give you this

860
00:51:14,559 --> 00:51:17,000
piece of junk flesh to see what you're going to

861
00:51:17,079 --> 00:51:18,360
do with it and how you're going to behave and

862
00:51:18,360 --> 00:51:21,519
how you're want to drive it. Let's all get our

863
00:51:21,559 --> 00:51:26,440
act together and get the get the ferrari so to speak.

864
00:51:27,800 --> 00:51:32,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, yep, yeah, that that really intrigues me. You were

865
00:51:32,920 --> 00:51:38,440
talking about the you know, the the d MT being

866
00:51:40,400 --> 00:51:44,880
like a kind of a key, you know that that

867
00:51:44,880 --> 00:51:48,519
that opens that world up. And and I think a

868
00:51:48,559 --> 00:51:52,920
lot a lot of people don't realize because we have

869
00:51:52,960 --> 00:51:56,960
such a pluralistic world that that not everything supernatural is good,

870
00:51:57,480 --> 00:52:00,639
you know, And and I think that that's that's one

871
00:52:00,639 --> 00:52:04,039
of our responsibilities is Bible believe in Christians, is to

872
00:52:05,639 --> 00:52:08,199
just disciples of Christ just just to get out there

873
00:52:08,239 --> 00:52:11,119
and and warn people. That's kind of what we see.

874
00:52:11,519 --> 00:52:13,119
I mean, yeah, Lindsey and I have we have a

875
00:52:13,119 --> 00:52:14,880
great time doing this podcast, and a lot of this

876
00:52:14,880 --> 00:52:17,599
stuff is just just fun and it's just it's it's

877
00:52:17,639 --> 00:52:20,079
cool to listen to and stuff. But but we kind

878
00:52:20,119 --> 00:52:22,760
of we kind of see our podcast, like you had

879
00:52:22,760 --> 00:52:25,440
said early on, as the tip of the spirit, to

880
00:52:25,480 --> 00:52:28,079
be able to have discussions with people to get them

881
00:52:28,159 --> 00:52:31,599
just to open their eyes, to get them just to

882
00:52:31,679 --> 00:52:35,039
just to see the supernatural. And that that kind of

883
00:52:35,119 --> 00:52:38,920
leads to our question. We we copy this from the

884
00:52:38,920 --> 00:52:40,920
blurry guys, I guess it could be ours.

885
00:52:41,039 --> 00:52:42,519
Speaker 2: I don't.

886
00:52:43,159 --> 00:52:47,599
Speaker 1: Oh no, it's not Bigfoot. Nope, nope, nope, we want

887
00:52:47,800 --> 00:52:49,920
we we usually ask it first off, and we didn't

888
00:52:49,920 --> 00:52:53,800
get a chance to. But what is the the most

889
00:52:53,840 --> 00:52:57,159
supernatural or miraculous thing that you've ever seen?

890
00:52:57,960 --> 00:53:00,239
Speaker 3: It may very well just be that little story. I

891
00:53:00,280 --> 00:53:01,159
don't know, the.

892
00:53:01,400 --> 00:53:03,639
Speaker 2: Most miraculous thing I've ever seen.

893
00:53:04,440 --> 00:53:07,440
Speaker 1: And we differentiate between the supernatural and the miraculous. I

894
00:53:07,840 --> 00:53:10,719
know that, Uh, we had Frank Viola on our show,

895
00:53:11,400 --> 00:53:16,719
and he he really helped us out to differentiate between

896
00:53:16,760 --> 00:53:21,360
the two. Miraculous being more like a miracle, and supernatural

897
00:53:21,400 --> 00:53:25,559
can be not necessarily something that goes against law, the

898
00:53:25,920 --> 00:53:31,320
laws of physics, but just something you know, like you see, Okay,

899
00:53:31,440 --> 00:53:34,960
example supernatural be waking up at three thirty three, you know,

900
00:53:35,480 --> 00:53:40,320
uh every morning. That's that's supernatural. That's not a miracle. Right,

901
00:53:40,400 --> 00:53:44,119
So so what what what? What is your What? What

902
00:53:44,159 --> 00:53:47,199
do you think is your if you can share it,

903
00:53:47,239 --> 00:53:48,679
if it's too private, don't worry about it.

904
00:53:54,800 --> 00:53:57,639
Speaker 2: Well, I guess what's me is? You know, like I said,

905
00:53:57,679 --> 00:54:00,559
you know, some people's got that that gift, and and

906
00:54:01,039 --> 00:54:05,360
mine I'm I'm I always joke with my wife and

907
00:54:05,480 --> 00:54:08,679
you know she'll always call me, you know, Debbie Downer

908
00:54:09,320 --> 00:54:11,559
and all got No, I'm Reggie the realist.

909
00:54:12,239 --> 00:54:15,039
Speaker 1: Hey, I'm using that, bro, I've stole that.

910
00:54:15,159 --> 00:54:15,320
Speaker 4: Yeah.

911
00:54:15,920 --> 00:54:16,119
Speaker 1: Yeah.

912
00:54:16,119 --> 00:54:18,400
Speaker 2: So it's like, you know, show me the facts. I'm

913
00:54:18,400 --> 00:54:23,960
the facts guy. And uh so I've probably really desensitized myself,

914
00:54:24,239 --> 00:54:27,400
you know to a lot of stuff. Uh me, personally,

915
00:54:28,159 --> 00:54:32,719
I've not witnessed, or at least I believe I haven't

916
00:54:32,800 --> 00:54:37,280
witnessed a miracle or anything like that. Uh, but I

917
00:54:37,280 --> 00:54:41,679
think it's pretty miraculous when you see people with similar

918
00:54:41,760 --> 00:54:46,920
stories like mine. Yes, you see people that it was

919
00:54:47,039 --> 00:54:50,760
just like like Mike Kerr for instance. Mike Kerr is

920
00:54:50,800 --> 00:54:56,239
a prime example. Uh went from uh Wall Street CEO

921
00:54:56,400 --> 00:54:59,639
exec travel in the world, had anything and everything you wanted,

922
00:55:00,639 --> 00:55:05,239
to being homeless and a heroine at it and going

923
00:55:05,320 --> 00:55:12,159
from there to leading here the Watchmen, you know, one

924
00:55:12,159 --> 00:55:17,719
of the the most well known Christian organizations, gathering Christians

925
00:55:17,719 --> 00:55:21,079
and doing conferences and doing all these kinds of things.

926
00:55:21,079 --> 00:55:24,559
I mean to me that that's that's pretty miraculous. You know.

927
00:55:25,840 --> 00:55:28,320
If you ask my mother now, my mother would would

928
00:55:28,360 --> 00:55:32,559
say that that car wreck incident, yeah it was. Uh.

929
00:55:33,239 --> 00:55:35,280
I just was like, you know, I was pompous. I

930
00:55:35,320 --> 00:55:38,559
was like, oh I was lucky. No, man, Now that

931
00:55:38,639 --> 00:55:42,760
I'm almost forty years old, looking back, I've seen friends

932
00:55:42,880 --> 00:55:45,880
been getting vendor venders or just hit another car head

933
00:55:45,880 --> 00:55:49,679
on and die. I mean, I flipped off a mountain

934
00:55:49,679 --> 00:55:54,119
bro and over end, split the car in half and

935
00:55:54,199 --> 00:55:55,239
didn't get a scratch.

936
00:55:57,239 --> 00:56:00,920
Speaker 1: That's amazing. You must you must be Tennessee then if

937
00:56:00,920 --> 00:56:01,840
you're up in the mountains.

938
00:56:01,880 --> 00:56:06,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, huh yeah. But now my wife. Now, now she

939
00:56:06,039 --> 00:56:09,360
could tell some stories. Man, my wife. Now, I've never

940
00:56:09,440 --> 00:56:12,920
met a more godly woman in my wife. Uh. She's

941
00:56:13,000 --> 00:56:17,199
been to India, Haiti, South America. She's been all over

942
00:56:17,239 --> 00:56:21,360
the world missionary for God. Uh. She has actually seen

943
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a cripple heel and walk. Yeah, hear and a bunch

944
00:56:26,440 --> 00:56:30,400
of and hear her tell that story is hilarious. She says. Here,

945
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I am a young teenage girl. She said, you know, uh,

946
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well Amid you know, upper teenage, almost in her twenties.

947
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And she was leading a bunch of young teenagers and

948
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there was this homeless, homeless kid you know that's lame,

949
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begging for money in India. And they were going through

950
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and she said, this group of teenage girls, uh, you know,

951
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on fire for God. You know, just kind of you know,

952
00:56:56,719 --> 00:57:00,039
inint experienced life yet you know what I mean. And

953
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they were like, we're going to go heal this man.

954
00:57:03,000 --> 00:57:05,800
And my wife was like, now, guys, you know, if

955
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you want to go pray for him, we go pray

956
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for him.

957
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Speaker 4: You know.

958
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Speaker 2: They're like, no, we're going to go heal this man.

959
00:57:11,320 --> 00:57:13,039
So they went over there and she said, no, I'm

960
00:57:13,079 --> 00:57:15,280
not gonna lie. She said, you know she said, I

961
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had had my dad, you know, and she said. We

962
00:57:18,239 --> 00:57:20,440
walked over there, she said, and we all laid hands

963
00:57:20,440 --> 00:57:24,480
on and started praying. She said. We prayed for about

964
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ten minutes or so and tried to stand him up.

965
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He couldn't stand up. She said, oh my god, guys,

966
00:57:29,000 --> 00:57:31,039
we tried, let's move on, and there's like, no, we're

967
00:57:31,079 --> 00:57:35,400
not leaving until he stands, and they kept praying for him.

968
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She said it probably went on twenty minutes, and then

969
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she said finally they went to stand him on his

970
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feet and he stood up on his own, and that

971
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his mother, his aunt, whatever, some woman come by. And

972
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I was like, oh my god, oh my god. You know,

973
00:57:52,800 --> 00:57:55,960
well I'm paraphrasing. She probably did say that, but you know,

974
00:57:55,960 --> 00:57:58,719
I want to know what they did to him. And

975
00:57:58,719 --> 00:58:00,239
it was like, we just prayed for him, and you

976
00:58:00,280 --> 00:58:02,840
know what, what God did you pray? Because if they

977
00:58:02,920 --> 00:58:06,039
worshiped me, three million gods over there and they're like,

978
00:58:06,119 --> 00:58:10,559
you know Jesus. And she was like, oh, well we will,

979
00:58:10,679 --> 00:58:14,760
we will worship this god too, And she was like, no,

980
00:58:15,679 --> 00:58:18,559
you can only worship this one god. You know, try

981
00:58:18,599 --> 00:58:21,480
to explain it to him. But I always tell her when

982
00:58:21,480 --> 00:58:25,239
she tells that story. I'm like, I don't know how

983
00:58:25,239 --> 00:58:27,920
I would have took that. I mean, i'd be wild

984
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to see.

985
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Speaker 1: Yeah. I took a class on on healing and one

986
00:58:34,679 --> 00:58:37,559
of the one of the lectures was an African guy

987
00:58:38,280 --> 00:58:41,400
and he was just saying, I mean, he was very

988
00:58:41,440 --> 00:58:45,320
blunt because he could be. And I appreciate that because

989
00:58:45,320 --> 00:58:47,760
I'm wired that way. I've I've been tempered over the

990
00:58:47,840 --> 00:58:50,199
years by my lovely wife to a little a little

991
00:58:50,280 --> 00:58:53,079
less rigid on the edges. But I'm pretty blunt. He

992
00:58:53,239 --> 00:58:57,159
just he just says, Western white people they quit too soon.

993
00:58:57,440 --> 00:59:01,400
That's why they don't see healing. I'm like, you know,

994
00:59:01,840 --> 00:59:04,559
that's amazing, and that that's your story. Your wife's story

995
00:59:04,599 --> 00:59:06,719
reminds me of that. I mean, how often do we

996
00:59:06,840 --> 00:59:08,920
quit too soon when we need to labor in there

997
00:59:09,000 --> 00:59:10,760
until say, okay, now, we're not I leaving until this

998
00:59:10,840 --> 00:59:17,719
is done. Yeah, that's cool story. I like that story too. Well,

999
00:59:17,800 --> 00:59:23,880
let's let's uh justin tell us where they can find you,

1000
00:59:25,039 --> 00:59:27,159
what all the different things you got going on, and

1001
00:59:27,599 --> 00:59:32,159
how they can connect websites, podcast all that kind of stuff.

1002
00:59:32,920 --> 00:59:34,320
Speaker 2: Oh, thanks, man, I appreciate that.

1003
00:59:34,639 --> 00:59:36,039
Speaker 1: We're gonna put it we're gonna put it in the

1004
00:59:36,039 --> 00:59:38,599
show notes too, but I just want to just give

1005
00:59:38,639 --> 00:59:41,119
you an opportunity to Oh.

1006
00:59:41,079 --> 00:59:44,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, I appreciate that. Yeah. Our podcast it's called the

1007
00:59:44,519 --> 00:59:48,800
Big Bible Podcast. We've got a website. It's thedig Bible

1008
00:59:48,880 --> 00:59:50,039
podcast dot com.

1009
00:59:50,559 --> 00:59:50,639
Speaker 4: Uh.

1010
00:59:50,800 --> 00:59:53,239
Speaker 2: I do blogs on there so often in his face

1011
00:59:53,440 --> 00:59:56,719
with blogs, as I should. But Uh, we released a

1012
00:59:56,760 --> 01:00:01,000
show every Friday, three km eastern senterd time. Uh. We

1013
01:00:01,119 --> 01:00:06,079
got a Facebook, TikTok, Instagram, all that stuff. Uh, but

1014
01:00:06,159 --> 01:00:09,519
we also have a Facebook community called the dig Bible

1015
01:00:09,559 --> 01:00:12,760
Podcast Community. Uh. We've got a little six hundred members

1016
01:00:12,800 --> 01:00:14,719
right now. But it's just a just a place where

1017
01:00:14,719 --> 01:00:17,519
we get together and talk and discuss things. You know,

1018
01:00:17,599 --> 01:00:20,199
we like to say iron sharp AND's iron. Uh. We

1019
01:00:20,239 --> 01:00:22,760
got to do there for each other, talk about difficult things.

1020
01:00:23,440 --> 01:00:25,440
And we're not always going to agree on everything. That

1021
01:00:25,599 --> 01:00:27,880
that's fine, you know, we just do it respectfully and

1022
01:00:28,119 --> 01:00:31,559
los it's not a salvation issue, you know, we can

1023
01:00:31,639 --> 01:00:34,880
we can debate stuff and uh, but we also do

1024
01:00:35,119 --> 01:00:37,639
prize giveaways stuff like that. We give way t shirts,

1025
01:00:37,679 --> 01:00:39,639
DVDs sets and stuff like that.

1026
01:00:39,880 --> 01:00:40,039
Speaker 3: Uh.

1027
01:00:40,239 --> 01:00:45,119
Speaker 2: Just a just a good place to fellowship. Yeah, and

1028
01:00:45,119 --> 01:00:47,159
we're gonna have you have you guys on our show.

1029
01:00:47,480 --> 01:00:51,119
I actually want to do a show, especially with all

1030
01:00:51,159 --> 01:00:53,599
the things going off with Michs right now, we pray

1031
01:00:53,639 --> 01:00:57,199
for Mike. Uh. If it wouldn't for Mike, people like

1032
01:00:57,320 --> 01:00:59,280
us wouldn't be doing what we're doing. I think it's

1033
01:00:59,320 --> 01:00:59,719
safe to.

1034
01:00:59,679 --> 01:01:03,360
Speaker 1: Say absolutely, yeah, he's a gateway drug.

1035
01:01:04,039 --> 01:01:07,679
Speaker 2: He's the Gandalf. But I want to do a show

1036
01:01:07,719 --> 01:01:10,480
where we get like, you know, maybe you guys, Chris Price,

1037
01:01:10,639 --> 01:01:15,760
and we just have a podcaster's episode where we just

1038
01:01:15,840 --> 01:01:19,480
talk about Mike and his influences and just just kind

1039
01:01:19,519 --> 01:01:21,519
of the journey that we're going through. I think that

1040
01:01:21,559 --> 01:01:22,519
would be really great.

1041
01:01:23,280 --> 01:01:28,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, yep, yep, yeah. I mean, long before podcasting, I

1042
01:01:28,800 --> 01:01:31,000
bought The Unseen Realm. I read it and it didn't

1043
01:01:31,039 --> 01:01:34,119
affect me. Then I went back and listened to it

1044
01:01:34,239 --> 01:01:36,760
on audio, and then it started affecting me, and then

1045
01:01:37,079 --> 01:01:42,360
you know, Lindsay's the one that introduced me to podcasts

1046
01:01:42,360 --> 01:01:44,920
as far as The Blurry Guys, and then Sword.

1047
01:01:44,719 --> 01:01:46,320
Speaker 2: And Staff and Good Job Lindsay.

1048
01:01:48,440 --> 01:01:52,199
Speaker 1: So I'm addicted now. I mean I listened to at

1049
01:01:52,239 --> 01:01:55,119
least one podcast every night when When You Yours comes

1050
01:01:55,159 --> 01:01:57,599
out and listen to it, and I like the Confessionals

1051
01:01:57,679 --> 01:02:01,880
dude and and can permon and blurry guys anyway, but

1052
01:02:02,079 --> 01:02:04,920
I've got It's just there's just so much good stuff

1053
01:02:04,960 --> 01:02:08,119
out there, and I think personally, you know, we need

1054
01:02:08,239 --> 01:02:10,039
we all need to work together to get the word

1055
01:02:10,079 --> 01:02:14,480
out that people need to take the red pill. I

1056
01:02:14,480 --> 01:02:16,280
mean they need to take the red pill. They need

1057
01:02:16,280 --> 01:02:20,440
to believe that the that that this universe, this this

1058
01:02:20,440 --> 01:02:22,760
this earth that we live on, like you said earlier,

1059
01:02:22,880 --> 01:02:25,639
is a stranger that that we know. And it's it's

1060
01:02:25,679 --> 01:02:26,800
a lot bigger and faster.

1061
01:02:27,480 --> 01:02:30,119
Speaker 2: You know, we know, we're all back for the same team.

1062
01:02:30,159 --> 01:02:30,320
Speaker 4: Man.

1063
01:02:30,519 --> 01:02:34,559
Speaker 2: We got to hold each other like Joseph Collin boys

1064
01:02:34,599 --> 01:02:36,119
did it for Moses. You know, we got to hold

1065
01:02:36,119 --> 01:02:37,679
each other up exactly.

1066
01:02:37,880 --> 01:02:42,360
Speaker 1: Yep, exactly. So well, thank you, justin.

1067
01:02:42,800 --> 01:02:45,840
Speaker 2: We appreciate guys, thanks for having.

1068
01:02:45,559 --> 01:03:00,840
Speaker 4: Me, thanks for listening and supporting us, and remember stay

1069
01:03:01,000 --> 01:03:54,119
naturally supernaturally

1070
01:04:01,519 --> 01:04:02,840
Speaker 2: Inter