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<v Speaker 1>Welcome back to another episode of Astrology with Alice. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>here with my good friend and fellow astrologer, Maxine Twig.

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to the podcast.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you so much. It's so crazy being here. It's

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<v Speaker 2>such a like pinch me moment.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, Like for so forever that doesn't know what is

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<v Speaker 1>your sun moon and rising?

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so I'm a Libra rising Tauris's sun and Gemini moon.

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<v Speaker 1>Also, where is your chart ruler? That's another question I've

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<v Speaker 1>been liking to ask.

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<v Speaker 2>So my chart ruler is Venus and it's in Taurus

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<v Speaker 2>in the eighth house, So okay, at home.

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<v Speaker 1>So you have that's a great placement to have, like

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<v Speaker 1>chart ruler and the sign it rules. But you have

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<v Speaker 1>your son and your chart ruler in the eighth Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>what is that? Like? I know that's like a loaded question.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I feel like there's been such an eighth House

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<v Speaker 2>emphasis throughout my life, Like I've always been naturally drawn

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<v Speaker 2>to psychology and understanding people better. So I think it

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<v Speaker 2>really plays out like in my day to day job

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<v Speaker 2>a Fux design, and then also with astrology, it's all

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<v Speaker 2>about like understanding people.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, before I met up with you today, I was

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<v Speaker 1>thinking I was like, Oh, I actually didn't realize she's

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<v Speaker 1>that much emphasis on her eighth house, and I was

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<v Speaker 1>thinking how it would play out maybe in the long

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<v Speaker 1>term for you. And I feel like when Saturn goes

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<v Speaker 1>into Taurus, your eighth like you could create I don't know,

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<v Speaker 1>it's just such an entrepreneurial placement, like a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>eighth house emphasis. Yeah, that's true, creating something of your

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<v Speaker 1>own maybe in the near future.

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<v Speaker 2>And you also have eighth house emphasis right, yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Moon and Venus. We both have Venus there. Oh, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>we have. This is what our episode is about today,

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<v Speaker 1>how we share like very very similar chart placements. But

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<v Speaker 1>before we get into that, just wanted to talk about

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<v Speaker 1>like how we know each other. I feel like we've

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<v Speaker 1>gotten closer over like a longer period of time, Like

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<v Speaker 1>when did we first start talking, Like twenty twenty.

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<v Speaker 3>Two, probably, I think.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean I started out as such a super fan

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<v Speaker 2>of yours, and we got introduced by our really good

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<v Speaker 2>friend Daniella, who does my brand designer amazing design. She

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<v Speaker 2>does yours too, right, No, I've kind of been doing

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<v Speaker 2>mine on my own, but yeah, we just started out

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<v Speaker 2>as friends through through that.

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<v Speaker 1>And I feel like we connected because we share similar

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<v Speaker 1>like pop culture interests with astrology. Like I remember I

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<v Speaker 1>posted about like the Glossier, not memoir, but like mcmurpheet

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<v Speaker 1>about Emily Wise, and I was like talking about the

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<v Speaker 1>astrology and you were so into it and it's just

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<v Speaker 1>like fun to talk about I don't know, like reality

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<v Speaker 1>TV and all of that stuff, And.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe that's also our ape house. We're like really trying

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<v Speaker 2>to understand the psychology of the way people are acting

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<v Speaker 2>and the patterns, and reality TV is such a good

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<v Speaker 2>way to do that. I feel like we also talked

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<v Speaker 2>about Love Island at some.

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<v Speaker 1>Point, Yeah, yeah, And I was also going to say,

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<v Speaker 1>like understanding why someone got to where they are is

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<v Speaker 1>an eighth house thing, like just digging deeper. I want

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<v Speaker 1>to go back to, like how you first got into astrology.

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<v Speaker 1>When did this become an interest of yours.

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<v Speaker 2>It's crazy because I think I've been studying it quietly,

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<v Speaker 2>like on my own pretty much my whole life.

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<v Speaker 1>Like even in like middle school, high school.

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<v Speaker 3>In high school.

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<v Speaker 2>It probably started as like very basic pop culture level

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<v Speaker 2>of understanding. And in my family, my mom is also

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<v Speaker 2>super into like vedaic astrology, so I had kind of

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<v Speaker 2>an introduction through that and then started doing chart readings

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<v Speaker 2>pretty casually for my friends throughout like my early twenties,

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<v Speaker 2>and it was always something that I was trying to

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<v Speaker 2>learn more about and practice at a little bit deeper.

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<v Speaker 2>And then probably in like twenty twenty four, when the

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<v Speaker 2>notes were hitting my first in seventh house.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay yeah, and there raised lebru Lipitter.

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<v Speaker 2>Moved into my ninth house in Gemini. It was like

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<v Speaker 2>this creative burst of wanting to turn my interests with

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<v Speaker 2>like music and also astrology into something that was for

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<v Speaker 2>other people and sharing it. So that was kind of

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<v Speaker 2>how Cosmic Cocktails was born.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, because you were you have like a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>different interests that you blend with astrology, Like you're a

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<v Speaker 1>dj is that's a hobby, that's a side business basically

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<v Speaker 1>at this point. And then you also, i don't know,

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<v Speaker 1>kind of going along with like party life djying is

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<v Speaker 1>like cosmic cocktails, like how you're also interested in like

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<v Speaker 1>using astrology to make mixed drinks and stuff like that.

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<v Speaker 1>But then that's also what you call your readings is

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<v Speaker 1>cosmic cosmic costs. Yeah, So I love this branding.

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<v Speaker 2>It's it's a lot of emphasis on So in twenty

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<v Speaker 2>twenty four. I was going out a lot and partying

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<v Speaker 2>a lot and felt really creatively inspired by that whole

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<v Speaker 2>scene and the people I was meeting and the music

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<v Speaker 2>that I was listening to, And it kind of came

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<v Speaker 2>as a way of like exploring that in a more

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<v Speaker 2>creative way and sharing it with people that were interested

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<v Speaker 2>in astrology and kind of found a way to like

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<v Speaker 2>practice my readings through that like fun, lighthearted lens of

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<v Speaker 2>like blending it with the nightlife.

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<v Speaker 1>And you were also making like mixes like music. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know the right terminology for this mix playlists on

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<v Speaker 1>Spotify based on like what zodiac season it is.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so I found DJing at the same time. It

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<v Speaker 2>was very Gemini Moon of me to be like, I

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<v Speaker 2>want to explore these two things at the same time

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<v Speaker 2>and blended it.

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<v Speaker 3>So I was making for each.

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<v Speaker 2>Zodiac season a set on SoundCloud for each zodiac sign,

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<v Speaker 2>so so cool.

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<v Speaker 3>It was really fun.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I like how you blend all these different interests

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<v Speaker 1>together and you have like a cancer midhuff right, So

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<v Speaker 1>the ruler of your mid heaven is that Moon and Gemini,

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<v Speaker 1>which speaks to like, yeah, you have so many different

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>Whenever people make constant stimulation or I'm going to get bored,

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<v Speaker 2>and yeah, a lot of variety.

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<v Speaker 1>Exactly. Oh my god. Lo, so when did you in

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<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty four? Was that when you were like, Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe I should start charging people to give them readings,

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<v Speaker 1>like taking it more seriously in that way.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'd done so many of your courses and then

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<v Speaker 2>just studied astrology for years. That also, two of my

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<v Speaker 2>roommates were also Libra risings, so practicing on the three

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<v Speaker 2>of us was something that really helped me develop my

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<v Speaker 2>astrology practice. And then just like reading for friends of friends,

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<v Speaker 2>it started to evolve kind of naturally where people were like,

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<v Speaker 2>this is really valuable, you should charge for this.

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<v Speaker 1>That's kind of how it was with me. It was

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<v Speaker 1>just like an interest that evolved, like in a supernatural way.

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<v Speaker 1>I was going to say, with the two roommates that

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<v Speaker 1>are also Libra risings, where you guys all noticing similar

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<v Speaker 1>things happening, Yeah, because you have the same house as activated.

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<v Speaker 2>I think you probably can relate to this because you're

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<v Speaker 2>our friend Daniella is.

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<v Speaker 3>Also a Leo rising.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so it's like whenever a transit is occurring, you're

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<v Speaker 2>feeling the emotions in a very similar way. It might

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<v Speaker 2>be playing out in different situations, but the underlying tone

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<v Speaker 2>and emotions are so similar.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and I guess because we're also we.

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<v Speaker 2>Have a really similar chart setup because we're all ninety

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<v Speaker 2>seven ninety six.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, Yeah, it's all the saturn and areas though interesting. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I love that connecting with people who have the same

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<v Speaker 1>rising because even though it's not the same exact circumstance,

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<v Speaker 1>like you were saying, like, very similar feelings at the

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<v Speaker 1>same time.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and it's so valuable to listen and learn from

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<v Speaker 2>someone who's going through something similar.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, as you've gotten more practice giving astrology readings, niching

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<v Speaker 1>down into like what specific areas you want to go into,

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<v Speaker 1>what's like an I don't know what topics would astrology

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<v Speaker 1>have interested you the most, or like what if you

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to go further.

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<v Speaker 3>With I think off the top of my head.

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<v Speaker 2>I love solo returns, and that's always a technique I'll

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<v Speaker 2>bring in, like with a transit chart and then lunar

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<v Speaker 2>return charts as well.

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<v Speaker 1>So timing, Yeah, different timing.

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<v Speaker 2>Techniques are super interesting and valuable, and I think people

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<v Speaker 2>generally are coming to me in a period of transition

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<v Speaker 2>or needing some guidance on like the direction that they

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<v Speaker 2>should focus their energy. And so something that I really

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<v Speaker 2>enjoy is like you have this happening in your sixth house,

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<v Speaker 2>Like you should pay attention to that, and this is

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<v Speaker 2>where you're going to get like fruitful results in the

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<v Speaker 2>next few months.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's we have some interests in that way too,

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<v Speaker 1>always trying to help people through like what's coming up

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<v Speaker 1>and what they're currently experiencing. Yeah, I want to pivot

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<v Speaker 1>and talk about how we have, Like I guess the

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<v Speaker 1>main bulk of our conversation is like difficult chart placements

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<v Speaker 1>and how we've dealt with those throughout our lives. We

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<v Speaker 1>share this placement of like Mars, Chiron, and Saturn, even

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<v Speaker 1>though we have different rising signs, all of these fallen

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<v Speaker 1>different signs. We both have Mars in the twelfth house,

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<v Speaker 1>we both have Saturn in the seventh house, and we

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<v Speaker 1>both have Chiron in our first How close is Chiron

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<v Speaker 1>to your ascendant?

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<v Speaker 3>It's not that close.

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<v Speaker 2>It's my ascendants three degrees and Chiron's twenty seven.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, I mean still though, but it's still in the

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<v Speaker 1>Promised House. Yeah, And do you have anything else in

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<v Speaker 1>Libra or that's like, that's it, so that's the pet

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<v Speaker 1>or the asteroid that's like rising. Yeah, same for me.

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<v Speaker 1>I want to ask you, like how you've experienced these,

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<v Speaker 1>So we could start off with Chirn, like with Kirn

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<v Speaker 1>in the first House, I guess I wanted to give like,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know how we have the same placement, but

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<v Speaker 1>how it may have manifested differently for each of us,

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<v Speaker 1>and also maybe what Chiron transits look like for people

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<v Speaker 1>what I you, I don't know, what are the challenges

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<v Speaker 1>you associated with that chart placement.

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<v Speaker 2>I think Chiron specifically is such an internal planet or asteroid,

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<v Speaker 2>and for me it really manifested and like as a

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<v Speaker 2>child and into early adulthood, having a lot of insecurities

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<v Speaker 2>about the way that I'm perceived by others, and yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>feeling super shy growing up, not wanting to talk, not

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<v Speaker 2>wanting to That's how it was visible, which is so

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<v Speaker 2>interesting in Leo, which is the total opposite of that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's like I want it, but also just like

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<v Speaker 1>having in the first house, it's like wanting to be

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<v Speaker 1>seen but then being afraid of being Yes, Like that's interesting.

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<v Speaker 1>You brought up the being shy in school because I

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<v Speaker 1>would not or raise my hand in class because I

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<v Speaker 1>didn't want to draw attention to myself. Same like I

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<v Speaker 1>would get in trouble. I would get a worst grade

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<v Speaker 1>just because I refused to raise my hand.

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<v Speaker 2>Participation was always like vaccine needs to talk more.

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<v Speaker 3>We want to hear what she's saying. Oh my god.

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<v Speaker 2>Another interesting thing I wonder if you've experienced this, but

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<v Speaker 2>growing up, I also looked so much younger at every

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<v Speaker 2>single age I at like sixteen. That was really not

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<v Speaker 2>a fun experience to have when you look like five

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<v Speaker 2>years Like this.

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<v Speaker 1>Is crazy that you're saying this exact same thing. Because

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<v Speaker 1>I just recorded and put out an episode on KIRN

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<v Speaker 1>and I was talking about my experience with it in

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<v Speaker 1>the first house, and one of the things I said

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<v Speaker 1>was like being insecure because I always look younger exactly,

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<v Speaker 1>And then when you get to an age where it's

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<v Speaker 1>like guys should think you're hot, like no, that was never,

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<v Speaker 1>Like that was never, And I feel like there's early

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<v Speaker 1>like teenage or preteen years, like those feelings stick with you.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like even though I do look my age now,

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<v Speaker 1>I think.

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<v Speaker 3>I do you still looking?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's still like those feelings of not I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know being behind in that way totally.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it carries to feeling like you're behind or

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<v Speaker 2>feeling less mature than the people around you, which I

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<v Speaker 2>don't think is true for you.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, No, I get that sometimes.

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<v Speaker 2>That's like an internal thought that I think comes up

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<v Speaker 2>sometimes for me.

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<v Speaker 1>It's interesting how we both as well, like as we've

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<v Speaker 1>gotten older, we chosen to put ourselves out there more

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<v Speaker 1>on the internet, like through social media, meet through this podcast,

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<v Speaker 1>like things like that. So it's really kind of learning

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<v Speaker 1>how to conquer the fears of chiron. Like if I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know, if like seventh grade me saw me talking

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<v Speaker 1>in a public setting maybe like what the same?

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<v Speaker 2>No, literally, I think it's also interesting because chiron is

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<v Speaker 2>the point of where you can have greater healing for.

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<v Speaker 3>The collective or people.

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<v Speaker 2>So by overcoming those insecurities or even just talking about them,

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<v Speaker 2>you're helping other people, which is such a big part

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<v Speaker 2>of your work.

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<v Speaker 1>I think, Yeah, like working at as an astrologer and

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<v Speaker 1>you have those interests too. Curious to see what we

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<v Speaker 1>do throughout the course of our life, like even that,

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<v Speaker 1>like our chiron returns when we're fifty like how it

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<v Speaker 1>becomes more relevant even like when you had the eclipses

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<v Speaker 1>happen in Libra, did you notice, like, Okay, I'm having

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<v Speaker 1>to like face this chiron fear front on and like

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<v Speaker 1>get over myself inside.

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't think about that, but I think the first

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<v Speaker 2>and seventh Pous eclipses were such a pivotal point in

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<v Speaker 2>my life, and when I discovered DJing, when I started

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<v Speaker 2>Cosmic Cocktails, and both of those things I was really

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<v Speaker 2>excited by and loved working on behind the scenes, But

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<v Speaker 2>the scary part was putting it out there for people

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<v Speaker 2>to see and critique and.

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<v Speaker 1>Getting over that fear initial fear. I remember when I

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<v Speaker 1>had eclipses to chairon in my first house in Leo,

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<v Speaker 1>and I guess they're coming up again soon, But like

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<v Speaker 1>having to get more comfortable being alone during that time,

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<v Speaker 1>and like that feeling really painful at first, like I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know, difficult dating experiences making me be alone, but

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<v Speaker 1>then ultimately finding astrology and feeling like I'd heal parts

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<v Speaker 1>of myself through that.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that makes so much sense.

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<v Speaker 2>I think for me, it was less about spending time

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<v Speaker 2>alone and more about being okay with other people, perceiving

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<v Speaker 2>the true version of me and kind of getting over

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<v Speaker 2>the filters and masks that I'm putting out to make

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<v Speaker 2>other people feel comfortable or like adjusting myself, which is

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<v Speaker 2>very libra. Yeah, to please everyone else.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, because we have it in different signs, so yours

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<v Speaker 1>might manifest more and like the how the other people

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<v Speaker 1>type of or mine maybe more with it in Leo

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<v Speaker 1>like self expression, like creativity. And so we also have

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<v Speaker 1>Saturn sitting opposite to Chiron in the seventh house, and

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<v Speaker 1>you're currently at the start of your Saturn return because

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<v Speaker 1>you have Saturn and Ares in your seventh How have

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<v Speaker 1>you I guess I want to talk first about that

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<v Speaker 1>natal placement of Saturn in the seventh and just like

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<v Speaker 1>Saturn in general in the birth chart. Yeah, what have

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<v Speaker 1>you noticed the most with Saturn in your seventh.

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<v Speaker 2>Saturn is such an interesting planet, and I think having

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<v Speaker 2>it on an angle gives it that extra emphasis. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>And I think when I think back to how Saturn

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<v Speaker 2>felt in like my chart in my early twenties and

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<v Speaker 2>in like younger college years, dating felt like something that

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<v Speaker 2>was super like hard to access or just something that

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<v Speaker 2>was like riddled with so much anxiety. And then I

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<v Speaker 2>would have a lot of flings or experiences where there

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<v Speaker 2>was a lot of heartache but nothing ever materialized into

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<v Speaker 2>anything solid and committed. So it was frustrating.

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<v Speaker 1>That was literally the same experience for me. I think

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<v Speaker 1>taking it too seriously that's a saturn trade of warmer.

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<v Speaker 1>It's located in everyone else's chart, but like with us

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<v Speaker 1>having it in the relationship sector. It would be like

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<v Speaker 1>I would go on one date with someone and then

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<v Speaker 1>I'd be like, oh, you're still talking to other people,

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<v Speaker 1>Like what, like I thought, No, I'm taking with me

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<v Speaker 1>immediately exactly, yeah, and just kind of having those never

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<v Speaker 1>stepping back to think like is this person right for me,

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<v Speaker 1>but just like oh, this should be serious now because

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<v Speaker 1>we've been on like one date.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I think the it was really tough to even evaluate

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<v Speaker 2>whether I liked the other person. It was the focus

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<v Speaker 2>was much more about like, Okay, do they like me?

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<v Speaker 2>Will we end up in a relationship, which might also

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<v Speaker 2>be our venus placements in the eighth house, which adds

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<v Speaker 2>that level of like intensity, And.

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<v Speaker 1>It's crazy if we get the same approach to relationships.

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<v Speaker 2>And then I think I just like took a step

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<v Speaker 2>back and really for the last few years haven't dated

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<v Speaker 2>much at all, which has been really nice for my

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<v Speaker 2>mental health. But I feel like I've also gone in

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<v Speaker 2>the other extreme where I'm like super avoidant of dating

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<v Speaker 2>and it is something I want, but it now feels

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<v Speaker 2>like maybe even more daunting to dip my toe back

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<v Speaker 2>into that.

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<v Speaker 1>I wonder when Saturn goes retrograde this year, because I

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<v Speaker 1>do feel like when it's recked, when these outer planets

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<v Speaker 1>are just planets in general station retrograde, and that retrograde

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<v Speaker 1>begins in a new house and sign of your chart,

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<v Speaker 1>because it had just in our areas back in February.

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<v Speaker 1>If you start to see like those Seventh House themes,

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<v Speaker 1>like oh, dating is becoming more relevant during that retrograde,

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<v Speaker 1>but maybe it feels like a test or kind of

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<v Speaker 1>frustrating because I was the same as you, like I

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<v Speaker 1>had a Saturn return in the seventh House, and right

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<v Speaker 1>while Saturn was in the sixth House, those like three

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<v Speaker 1>years no dating, what's happen? Didn't talk to anyone, and

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<v Speaker 1>then the second Saturn under the seventh and station retrograde,

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<v Speaker 1>it was like people coming out of like nowhere.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so you got to keep us well, that could

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<v Speaker 2>be fun.

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<v Speaker 1>Have you started to see a shift in mindset at

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<v Speaker 1>all towards like that natal Saturn placement.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think we've talked about this. Yeah, but the

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<v Speaker 2>only books I've been reading in the last few months

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<v Speaker 2>since Saturn entered areas in February have been all about

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<v Speaker 2>like relationships, deconstructing relationships or romance.

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<v Speaker 3>And that's super.

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<v Speaker 2>Different than the books that I was reading before that.

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<v Speaker 2>So I like, I'm mentally more interested in just the

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<v Speaker 2>topic of relationships and understanding like breakup psychology behind it,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's just something that I want to read more about.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, maybe wanting to better understand Yeah, that's really interesting.

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<v Speaker 1>And then I guess we'll get to this in a second.

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<v Speaker 1>But the ruler of your seventh is Mars in the twelfth,

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<v Speaker 1>so that also makes a different aspect to do it.

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<v Speaker 1>You're a night, no, you're day chart, right, So technically

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<v Speaker 1>Mars would be like the more difficult of the malifics

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<v Speaker 1>out of Mars and Saturn. As we get into Mars, like,

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<v Speaker 1>do you notice I don't know, one of those molific

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<v Speaker 1>planets being more challenging for you. In general, I think.

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<v Speaker 2>Mars transits are just never my favorite wherever it's placed,

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<v Speaker 2>especially Mars retrogrades. I feel like I have a really

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<v Speaker 2>hard time with that period of time where things just

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<v Speaker 2>feel super slowed down, frustrating and just like a slog.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think even though I'm a night chart and

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<v Speaker 1>Mars is supposed to be more beneficial, I think just

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<v Speaker 1>because I've Saturn like in a sign of its domicile

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<v Speaker 1>in my chart, like I have a better relationship with it,

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<v Speaker 1>whereas Mars it's like there's really not a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>strength with that.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's in our twelfth house, which feels so hidden.

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<v Speaker 2>And for me, I think that manifests in feeling really

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<v Speaker 2>conflict avoidant and just the idea of conflict, aggression, anger,

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<v Speaker 2>standing up for myself. All of those things are not

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<v Speaker 2>things that I feel a natural inclination towards.

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<v Speaker 1>Or do you find that by being conflict avoidant though,

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<v Speaker 1>you end up creating conflict, because that's what I think,

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<v Speaker 1>Like people hate that, it's I'm like that, so then

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<v Speaker 1>it creates more at tension.

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<v Speaker 2>Definitely in my earlier twenties, yeah, it was that was

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<v Speaker 2>a theme. I would just like ghost people or ghost

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<v Speaker 2>friends when there was definitely a conversation I should have

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<v Speaker 2>had and maybe we could have moved past things.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I was also going to say, how have you

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<v Speaker 1>noticed Mars with like mental health?

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<v Speaker 2>It's so crucial I think for me, especially coming out

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<v Speaker 2>of like this Sixth House emphasis that we've had. For

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<v Speaker 2>the last few years, mental and physical health have been

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<v Speaker 2>the main focus, and I think a lot of that

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<v Speaker 2>comes with having Mars in Virgo in the twelfth House.

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<v Speaker 2>It's there's such an emphasis around, like my mind and

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<v Speaker 2>mental state needs to feel balanced and clearer in order

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<v Speaker 2>for me to feel like I'm functioning at my best.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you have to be alone a lot? I feel

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<v Speaker 1>like with Mars on the twelfth I get I have

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<v Speaker 1>to be alone.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, so much alone time.

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't think of that, but yeah, I need a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of alone time.

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<v Speaker 1>Also with work. Are you I'm just trying to get

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<v Speaker 1>a grasp on Mars in the twelfth House what we

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<v Speaker 1>have in common. Are you someone that works in like

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<v Speaker 1>short bursts or do you have like sustained energy that

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<v Speaker 1>gets you throughout the day.

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<v Speaker 2>I think I have sustained energy, but it has to

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<v Speaker 2>be at like an optimal time, Like I need to

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<v Speaker 2>feel level headed and put the right structures in place

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<v Speaker 2>that make me feel organized and balanced.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, especially with Virgo.

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<v Speaker 2>It's so detail oriented that I think having a Gemini

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<v Speaker 2>moon and then Mars and Virgo, I can get overwhelmed

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<v Speaker 2>pretty easily if things aren't in order.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, because your moon squares Mars, my moon trines Mars.

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<v Speaker 1>But I still notice it is like I don't know,

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<v Speaker 1>emotions come on very strong. Yeah, that placement like very

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<v Speaker 1>easy to get worked up.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think whenever my mind is like overworking, which

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<v Speaker 2>I can overthink a lot, I have a tendency to

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<v Speaker 2>spiral in my own mind. If I let that get

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<v Speaker 2>out of that's when it'll lead to like insomnia and

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<v Speaker 2>more difficult things.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I also want to decipher between like how Mars

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<v Speaker 1>and Saturn can be the most difficult chart placements for people,

429
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<v Speaker 1>and like how they differ, Like what types of different

430
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<v Speaker 1>kind of scenarios do they bring up? Like I think

431
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<v Speaker 1>we touched upon this a bit with Saturn of like

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<v Speaker 1>how river Saturn is in your chart may feel I

433
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<v Speaker 1>don't know, restricted, or like you take it a little

434
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<v Speaker 1>bit too seriously and feel held back, like but like

435
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<v Speaker 1>you're holding yourself back on the most whereas Mars. Again,

436
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<v Speaker 1>maybe this is because I'm Mars in the twelve thousand,

437
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<v Speaker 1>it's just like really hard to understand what it's trying

438
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<v Speaker 1>to teach me.

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<v Speaker 3>No, I agree.

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<v Speaker 2>I think for me, Mars feels like it's trying to

441
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<v Speaker 2>create structure and order in Virgo, where like when I'm

442
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<v Speaker 2>focusing on things that are all about like for example,

443
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<v Speaker 2>in my day job doing ux design and understanding what

444
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<v Speaker 2>people want and then like breaking it down into systems

445
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<v Speaker 2>and like consumer drives or flows, That's something that I

446
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<v Speaker 2>think my Mars and Virgo is actually where it becomes

447
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<v Speaker 2>the strength.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, do you think like a MARS placement also shows

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<v Speaker 1>like impatience or like I guess, a tendency to get aggressive.

450
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<v Speaker 1>I would say like those are the when I think

451
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<v Speaker 1>of Mars, those might be the more challenges that come up.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think it's all about your drive and how

453
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<v Speaker 2>you how you go about conflict and expressing like your

454
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<v Speaker 2>desire energy aggression in like a healthy way.

455
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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>So it really depends on like the sign it's yeah

457
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<v Speaker 2>placed in. Yeah, so you know it's hard with it

458
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<v Speaker 2>being in the twelve house, You're like, how.

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<v Speaker 1>Do I I know we need more people to weigh

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<v Speaker 1>in on like twelve twelve thousands? Just hard to understand.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah all, but I'm yeah, because you brought up like

462
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<v Speaker 1>you've had eclipses and pisces and virgo, you're six and

463
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<v Speaker 1>twelfth the last two years, and you feel like you've

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<v Speaker 1>gotten more in touch with those with that natal placement.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I think specifically with the twelfth and sixth house emphasis

467
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<v Speaker 2>health has been such a focus and finding like holistic

468
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<v Speaker 2>alternatives to health and wellness practices has been something that's

469
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<v Speaker 2>really helped like calm my mind, calm like health issues

470
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<v Speaker 2>that have come up in the last few years. And

471
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<v Speaker 2>that's been I think a lesson of having like also

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<v Speaker 2>my north and south node in those houses.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh you have that, Natalie too? Is north node in

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<v Speaker 1>this in Virgo in the twelve Yeah? Oh my god. Okay, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like this is a question. I get a

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<v Speaker 1>lot like what is the meaning of north node in

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<v Speaker 1>twelve south more than six or reversed? Even do you

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<v Speaker 1>find it's all trying to strike a balance between like

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<v Speaker 1>rest and work and productivity and then mental and physical health.

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<v Speaker 2>It's kind of confusing as rising because everything's in its

481
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<v Speaker 2>opposite sign so for.

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<v Speaker 1>Me, right, because when I've areas rising technically associated with

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<v Speaker 1>like the first.

484
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So for me, it's kind of about like blending

485
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<v Speaker 2>both Twelfth and Sixth House themes of like the Twelfth

486
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<v Speaker 2>House of spirituality the Abyss and the Sixth House of

487
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<v Speaker 2>like being more rooted in like day to day life

488
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<v Speaker 2>healthy habits, and I think like blending the two finding

489
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<v Speaker 2>like holistic practices that really work and support me with

490
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<v Speaker 2>having those like day to day routines and structures and

491
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<v Speaker 2>finding order in my day to day life. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I also wonder if like the Twelfth House theme of

493
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<v Speaker 1>like helping people plays into like work and trust too.

494
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<v Speaker 1>Maybe we didn't even touch upon this, like how you

495
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<v Speaker 1>still work a corporate job but you do astrology on

496
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<v Speaker 1>the side. Like I wonder if that'll be something that

497
00:27:12.279 --> 00:27:14.960
<v Speaker 1>comes up at a later date of like, oh I

498
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<v Speaker 1>want to like make this more of my career.

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00:27:18.359 --> 00:27:18.559
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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00:27:18.640 --> 00:27:22.279
<v Speaker 2>I think the North Node is where you're heading in

501
00:27:22.319 --> 00:27:27.039
<v Speaker 2>your life's direction, so you're constantly going to find ways

502
00:27:27.119 --> 00:27:30.680
<v Speaker 2>that are like pulling you towards more Twelve House themes

503
00:27:30.720 --> 00:27:35.759
<v Speaker 2>for me, And then I think balancing the like corporate

504
00:27:35.880 --> 00:27:39.519
<v Speaker 2>job with all of these interests is probably attributed to

505
00:27:39.559 --> 00:27:45.759
<v Speaker 2>my Gemini moon, yeah, and needing constant stimulation and also

506
00:27:45.920 --> 00:27:49.480
<v Speaker 2>just like my day to day job is very like

507
00:27:49.640 --> 00:27:54.519
<v Speaker 2>analytical and technical, and I needed with a librevizing and

508
00:27:54.960 --> 00:27:59.240
<v Speaker 2>Taurus sun venus chart, I needed a way to find

509
00:27:59.799 --> 00:28:04.880
<v Speaker 2>a creative world to live and play in. So I

510
00:28:04.920 --> 00:28:09.519
<v Speaker 2>think finding those different outlets has been really supportive for

511
00:28:09.839 --> 00:28:10.400
<v Speaker 2>my life.

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<v Speaker 1>Your chart is so interesting because we mentioned at the

513
00:28:13.559 --> 00:28:16.440
<v Speaker 1>start like the huge eighthous symphasis, and then also like

514
00:28:16.480 --> 00:28:19.079
<v Speaker 1>your north note and your mars in the twelfth house.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm trying to think of like a good question to

516
00:28:21.279 --> 00:28:23.839
<v Speaker 1>ask around this, but I just feel like people may

517
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<v Speaker 1>look at a chart and be like, oh my god.

518
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<v Speaker 2>You have so many bad placements bad places.

519
00:28:28.440 --> 00:28:30.880
<v Speaker 1>Is that something that felt like, I don't know, you

520
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<v Speaker 1>were like fixated on when you started learning astrology and

521
00:28:33.119 --> 00:28:35.160
<v Speaker 1>you're like, oh my god, my chart's awful, and then

522
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<v Speaker 1>you've come to realize, oh no, this is actually like

523
00:28:37.960 --> 00:28:39.359
<v Speaker 1>kind of makes sense with my life.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that's a question that a lot of people

525
00:28:42.839 --> 00:28:43.279
<v Speaker 2>come to me.

526
00:28:43.400 --> 00:28:46.319
<v Speaker 3>They're like, I have this placement, am I doomed?

527
00:28:46.680 --> 00:28:50.480
<v Speaker 2>Or this is a really bad placement? But for me,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know if I looked at it like that

529
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<v Speaker 2>to begin with, I probably wasn't even aware that they

530
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<v Speaker 2>were bad placements. I just learned about them in isolation

531
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<v Speaker 2>to my chart, and the way that I went about

532
00:29:05.720 --> 00:29:10.079
<v Speaker 2>it was like, these are the challenges that I might face,

533
00:29:10.160 --> 00:29:13.440
<v Speaker 2>and I'm your chart is really set up in a

534
00:29:13.480 --> 00:29:14.079
<v Speaker 2>way for.

535
00:29:13.960 --> 00:29:16.119
<v Speaker 3>You to find the strengths out of that.

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00:29:16.160 --> 00:29:20.240
<v Speaker 2>And work it in a in a way where you're

537
00:29:20.759 --> 00:29:24.119
<v Speaker 2>like working through challenges and then that's how you grow

538
00:29:24.160 --> 00:29:24.880
<v Speaker 2>and evolve.

539
00:29:25.400 --> 00:29:27.640
<v Speaker 1>I feel like those difficult charplasons like the Saturdern and

540
00:29:27.640 --> 00:29:30.680
<v Speaker 1>the seventh chiren in the first moon and Venus in

541
00:29:30.720 --> 00:29:33.839
<v Speaker 1>the eighth is what like initially drew me and got

542
00:29:33.839 --> 00:29:35.839
<v Speaker 1>me so obsessed with astrology in the first place, because

543
00:29:35.880 --> 00:29:37.799
<v Speaker 1>it was like always those parts of my personality I

544
00:29:37.839 --> 00:29:40.200
<v Speaker 1>couldn't quite put a finger on, but I knew it

545
00:29:40.240 --> 00:29:43.759
<v Speaker 1>was like different, and then reading about those just like

546
00:29:43.799 --> 00:29:46.279
<v Speaker 1>even just googling what is Venus in the eight house mean,

547
00:29:47.200 --> 00:29:48.279
<v Speaker 1>it just like all clicked.

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00:29:48.599 --> 00:29:51.160
<v Speaker 2>I think that was probably the same for me. It

549
00:29:51.279 --> 00:29:55.400
<v Speaker 2>was finally putting words and articulating how I felt in

550
00:29:55.440 --> 00:30:00.319
<v Speaker 2>certain ways and giving it a reason and meaning behind

551
00:30:00.519 --> 00:30:04.400
<v Speaker 2>having those difficult experiences like as a kid or growing up.

552
00:30:04.440 --> 00:30:07.839
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so we've spent a lot of time talking about

553
00:30:08.000 --> 00:30:12.000
<v Speaker 1>Mars Saturn in Chirn. I want to touch upon Urinus, Neptune,

554
00:30:12.000 --> 00:30:14.680
<v Speaker 1>and Pluto too, because if I were to think about, okay,

555
00:30:14.680 --> 00:30:17.599
<v Speaker 1>what parts of the chart might be more challenging for people,

556
00:30:18.319 --> 00:30:21.119
<v Speaker 1>those three come to mind. Though they're not as like

557
00:30:21.200 --> 00:30:24.480
<v Speaker 1>personal to you, it's still is like I think of

558
00:30:24.559 --> 00:30:26.799
<v Speaker 1>kind of Uranus and Neptune I have there's like conjunct

559
00:30:26.799 --> 00:30:29.640
<v Speaker 1>in my charts. It's kind of like one same energy

560
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<v Speaker 1>in the same house, but noticing maybe where things don't

561
00:30:34.240 --> 00:30:36.440
<v Speaker 1>feel as stable or there's a lot of like deep

562
00:30:36.519 --> 00:30:39.799
<v Speaker 1>transformation or kind of themes of loss. Specifically with Pluto.

563
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<v Speaker 1>Do you find where those are placed in your chart

564
00:30:44.240 --> 00:30:45.519
<v Speaker 1>are harder areas for you?

565
00:30:46.720 --> 00:30:50.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that that's an interesting question. I think I have

566
00:30:51.160 --> 00:30:54.480
<v Speaker 2>Pluto in the third house in sad and it's actually

567
00:30:54.519 --> 00:30:57.759
<v Speaker 2>squaring my moon pretty almost exactly.

568
00:30:57.440 --> 00:30:58.160
<v Speaker 1>I mean opposite.

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00:30:59.240 --> 00:30:59.440
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

570
00:30:59.480 --> 00:31:01.759
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, is a square your Mars too?

571
00:31:02.759 --> 00:31:06.319
<v Speaker 2>The square I think it's at five degrees, so not

572
00:31:06.440 --> 00:31:08.960
<v Speaker 2>quite squaring Mars, but opposite the moon.

573
00:31:09.079 --> 00:31:09.920
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's crazy.

574
00:31:11.079 --> 00:31:14.960
<v Speaker 2>And growing up third houses, there's so much a an

575
00:31:15.000 --> 00:31:20.319
<v Speaker 2>emphasis around like neighbors, siblings, your like day to day community.

576
00:31:21.039 --> 00:31:24.640
<v Speaker 2>And I moved around a lot in my early upbringing,

577
00:31:24.720 --> 00:31:28.720
<v Speaker 2>so there was just a lot of change, grief, and

578
00:31:28.799 --> 00:31:32.279
<v Speaker 2>like a lot of movement happening, which is also connected

579
00:31:32.319 --> 00:31:38.000
<v Speaker 2>to Sagittarius. Yeah, so that could have been a way

580
00:31:38.039 --> 00:31:40.599
<v Speaker 2>that like a more difficult aspect of that played out.

581
00:31:40.920 --> 00:31:43.279
<v Speaker 1>Do you feel like Pluto is easier to get older

582
00:31:43.319 --> 00:31:45.599
<v Speaker 1>because I have a similar thing with Pluto in the

583
00:31:45.640 --> 00:31:48.519
<v Speaker 1>Fourth House, like family being really difficult as a child,

584
00:31:48.599 --> 00:31:52.400
<v Speaker 1>and like a lot of like upheaval and hard situations there.

585
00:31:52.759 --> 00:31:55.279
<v Speaker 1>But now I don't really notice that as an adult.

586
00:31:55.759 --> 00:31:58.119
<v Speaker 1>Maybe I'm yeah, maybe like I'll have a different opinion

587
00:31:58.119 --> 00:32:00.240
<v Speaker 1>when I get to reach my Pluto square in a

588
00:32:00.279 --> 00:32:03.960
<v Speaker 1>few years, But I don't know. I'm wondering if there

589
00:32:04.000 --> 00:32:06.039
<v Speaker 1>is a pattern of like you get the hard stuff

590
00:32:06.039 --> 00:32:07.240
<v Speaker 1>with Pluto earlier on.

591
00:32:07.839 --> 00:32:11.160
<v Speaker 2>I think that makes sense and something I've noticed with

592
00:32:11.440 --> 00:32:17.279
<v Speaker 2>other librarizing specifically, there's a lot of instability or just

593
00:32:17.319 --> 00:32:21.920
<v Speaker 2>like upheaval occurring around Third House themes early.

594
00:32:21.680 --> 00:32:28.519
<v Speaker 1>On with people that are libratising and have Pluto inside. Yes, okay, interesting, but.

595
00:32:28.480 --> 00:32:29.200
<v Speaker 3>I'm trying to think.

596
00:32:29.240 --> 00:32:32.839
<v Speaker 2>I think it has definitely gotten easier, and I don't

597
00:32:32.880 --> 00:32:36.000
<v Speaker 2>think I think about Third House themes as much on

598
00:32:36.200 --> 00:32:39.480
<v Speaker 2>a day to day basis, being challenging as being challenging.

599
00:32:39.920 --> 00:32:42.400
<v Speaker 1>What about Juviornus and Neptune in different signs.

600
00:32:42.799 --> 00:32:46.720
<v Speaker 2>I have Neptune in the fourth house, which Caricorn in Capricorn.

601
00:32:47.680 --> 00:32:52.440
<v Speaker 2>I think the way that that's manifested is my specifically

602
00:32:52.440 --> 00:32:57.839
<v Speaker 2>on my mom's side of the family. They're pretty into spirituality,

603
00:32:58.200 --> 00:33:04.680
<v Speaker 2>and that is something that has been a theme since

604
00:33:04.720 --> 00:33:06.119
<v Speaker 2>my childhood.

605
00:33:05.680 --> 00:33:08.519
<v Speaker 1>And like passed down to you because your mom has

606
00:33:08.519 --> 00:33:12.680
<v Speaker 1>that interest in astrology. How you do that's really interesting, So.

607
00:33:12.720 --> 00:33:15.720
<v Speaker 2>Maybe that's a way that that's played out. Yeah, and

608
00:33:15.759 --> 00:33:19.720
<v Speaker 2>then Urinus in the fifth how do you read that?

609
00:33:19.720 --> 00:33:20.799
<v Speaker 1>That's award one.

610
00:33:20.720 --> 00:33:25.799
<v Speaker 2>It's almost conjunct Jupiter. So I think Fifth House topics

611
00:33:25.839 --> 00:33:31.440
<v Speaker 2>of like expressing my creativity and having creative outlets is

612
00:33:31.480 --> 00:33:38.000
<v Speaker 2>something that's just been really crucial to my happiness, and

613
00:33:38.759 --> 00:33:40.119
<v Speaker 2>I think that's how I.

614
00:33:40.119 --> 00:33:44.039
<v Speaker 1>Read that, Yeah, kind of also having maybe more independent

615
00:33:44.359 --> 00:33:47.440
<v Speaker 1>creative outlets, yeah, or being like really unique in that way.

616
00:33:48.200 --> 00:33:50.039
<v Speaker 1>I'm trying to think of my own Like having Uranus

617
00:33:50.039 --> 00:33:52.559
<v Speaker 1>and Neptune in the sixth house, I don't notice it's

618
00:33:52.599 --> 00:33:55.160
<v Speaker 1>so much as being hard with work, but more so

619
00:33:55.359 --> 00:33:59.480
<v Speaker 1>like having a hard time following routine and like structure

620
00:34:00.079 --> 00:34:01.480
<v Speaker 1>like it is really hard for me to wake up

621
00:34:01.480 --> 00:34:03.359
<v Speaker 1>early and do the same routine every day.

622
00:34:04.119 --> 00:34:06.839
<v Speaker 2>And you're lucky you're not in a corporate job, so

623
00:34:06.880 --> 00:34:10.800
<v Speaker 2>you can set your own unique routine that works, which

624
00:34:10.840 --> 00:34:12.119
<v Speaker 2>is very Erinus.

625
00:34:12.519 --> 00:34:15.800
<v Speaker 1>Like, this is so interesting and that I was going

626
00:34:15.880 --> 00:34:17.079
<v Speaker 1>to say that happened in the lead up to my

627
00:34:17.119 --> 00:34:20.719
<v Speaker 1>Saturn return because I wanted to touch there's something else

628
00:34:20.760 --> 00:34:22.480
<v Speaker 1>about Saturn and I wanted to talk about for a second.

629
00:34:22.559 --> 00:34:26.000
<v Speaker 1>But yeah, also with health stuff, I don't like have

630
00:34:26.039 --> 00:34:28.199
<v Speaker 1>a lot of health issues in general as a person,

631
00:34:28.239 --> 00:34:30.119
<v Speaker 1>but I do find that when I have something more

632
00:34:30.159 --> 00:34:34.239
<v Speaker 1>serious with neptune and the sex, it's like hard to

633
00:34:34.400 --> 00:34:37.559
<v Speaker 1>like diagnose, or it's like something very weird often or

634
00:34:37.639 --> 00:34:39.199
<v Speaker 1>like no one knows an answer to it.

635
00:34:40.159 --> 00:34:43.920
<v Speaker 2>I can relate to that with having neptune just lead

636
00:34:43.960 --> 00:34:49.039
<v Speaker 2>hands at yeah, okay, And that was a period of time,

637
00:34:49.960 --> 00:34:53.920
<v Speaker 2>depending on where other planets were when they would activate

638
00:34:53.960 --> 00:34:58.599
<v Speaker 2>that transit neptune, I would have the most confusing illnesses

639
00:34:58.719 --> 00:35:01.440
<v Speaker 2>come up where no one could really figure it out

640
00:35:01.480 --> 00:35:07.199
<v Speaker 2>at first, and just a lot of needing to find

641
00:35:07.239 --> 00:35:11.719
<v Speaker 2>holistic treatments that worked. So, for example, I had jaundice

642
00:35:11.840 --> 00:35:15.800
<v Speaker 2>a few years ago that was crazy, which was in

643
00:35:15.960 --> 00:35:19.440
<v Speaker 2>twenty twenty two, and I think at the same time

644
00:35:19.519 --> 00:35:20.960
<v Speaker 2>Jupiter might have also been.

645
00:35:20.840 --> 00:35:25.320
<v Speaker 1>It was the Jupiter Neptune conjunction entices, so it.

646
00:35:25.239 --> 00:35:28.559
<v Speaker 2>Was it was really confusing. For the first two weeks

647
00:35:28.599 --> 00:35:32.639
<v Speaker 2>we didn't really know what had happened. But this meal

648
00:35:32.719 --> 00:35:37.280
<v Speaker 2>delivery service that I was using, one if their items

649
00:35:37.360 --> 00:35:42.360
<v Speaker 2>was contaminated, so I, me and whoever else ordered that

650
00:35:42.679 --> 00:35:45.320
<v Speaker 2>developed jaundice, which is really rare.

651
00:35:45.760 --> 00:35:49.840
<v Speaker 1>And this is like a faded illness that you've got. Yeah,

652
00:35:50.320 --> 00:35:52.440
<v Speaker 1>oh my god. So yeah, that's that also brings up

653
00:35:52.440 --> 00:35:55.960
<v Speaker 1>an interesting point of like how I guess Pluto, Uranus,

654
00:35:55.960 --> 00:35:58.400
<v Speaker 1>and Neptune they've all changed signs in a huge way

655
00:35:58.760 --> 00:36:02.760
<v Speaker 1>very recently, and like Neptune now with aries, I wonder

656
00:36:02.760 --> 00:36:06.360
<v Speaker 1>if you'll get kind of that sometimes confusing element or

657
00:36:06.480 --> 00:36:08.679
<v Speaker 1>like do I need to set better structure here now

658
00:36:08.679 --> 00:36:11.760
<v Speaker 1>in your seventh house and like seeing how it's just

659
00:36:11.800 --> 00:36:14.280
<v Speaker 1>affecting that one area for a little bit of time.

660
00:36:15.039 --> 00:36:16.119
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, we'll see.

661
00:36:16.440 --> 00:36:19.840
<v Speaker 2>I think also with Neptune, it was squaring my mid

662
00:36:19.880 --> 00:36:25.400
<v Speaker 2>heaven and then ascendant angle. So Neptune transits trigger a

663
00:36:25.440 --> 00:36:27.800
<v Speaker 2>lot of just confusion in your.

664
00:36:27.679 --> 00:36:31.119
<v Speaker 3>Life path in general. Yeah, it's what I've noticed from that.

665
00:36:31.719 --> 00:36:34.599
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I've noticed that too. I'll happen on my mid

666
00:36:34.639 --> 00:36:36.679
<v Speaker 1>heaven when it goes to Taurus. I'm a little worried

667
00:36:36.719 --> 00:36:41.159
<v Speaker 1>about what happens to career at that point, but I

668
00:36:41.239 --> 00:36:45.239
<v Speaker 1>had it, I guess. Most recently, the major aspect I

669
00:36:45.280 --> 00:36:48.719
<v Speaker 1>made was Neptune conjung Venus, my mid heaven ruler, and

670
00:36:48.760 --> 00:36:50.760
<v Speaker 1>I just do remember at that time, Okay, what am

671
00:36:50.800 --> 00:36:53.880
<v Speaker 1>I supposed to be doing with career or feeling like frustrated,

672
00:36:53.960 --> 00:36:55.880
<v Speaker 1>kind of like what's the long term picture here?

673
00:36:56.239 --> 00:37:00.760
<v Speaker 2>And with Neptune, you're wanting to chart a new, dreamier,

674
00:37:01.199 --> 00:37:05.280
<v Speaker 2>more idealistic vision for wherever it's hitting.

675
00:37:05.760 --> 00:37:10.639
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, exactly. And then with Urinus, to contrast, that's more

676
00:37:10.679 --> 00:37:14.440
<v Speaker 1>about I sen like I associate Uranus not in a

677
00:37:14.480 --> 00:37:18.280
<v Speaker 1>super negative way, more like eye opening new experiences or

678
00:37:18.360 --> 00:37:21.360
<v Speaker 1>like wanting greater freedom in that part of your life.

679
00:37:21.480 --> 00:37:22.280
<v Speaker 3>I think I agree.

680
00:37:22.440 --> 00:37:27.000
<v Speaker 2>Uranus to me feels a lot more like a creative

681
00:37:27.079 --> 00:37:33.119
<v Speaker 2>breakthrough or something that shakes the foundation of where you're

682
00:37:33.199 --> 00:37:36.480
<v Speaker 2>standing in a way that opens up a new path

683
00:37:36.559 --> 00:37:42.079
<v Speaker 2>that's more independent, more innovative, and it breaks you out

684
00:37:42.119 --> 00:37:44.320
<v Speaker 2>of the whatever it was boring.

685
00:37:44.440 --> 00:37:46.760
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, I would take a Urinus transit over a

686
00:37:46.800 --> 00:37:47.679
<v Speaker 1>Neptune any day.

687
00:37:48.079 --> 00:37:48.320
<v Speaker 3>Same.

688
00:37:49.800 --> 00:37:52.159
<v Speaker 1>Have you had a big Pluto transit happen in your

689
00:37:52.159 --> 00:37:55.840
<v Speaker 1>adult life, because I'm currently having Pluto. It's stationed retrograde,

690
00:37:55.880 --> 00:37:58.480
<v Speaker 1>like almost on my son, and I am noticing it's

691
00:37:58.519 --> 00:38:01.400
<v Speaker 1>more subtle. It's kind of like I'm tapping into a

692
00:38:01.440 --> 00:38:05.119
<v Speaker 1>bigger like personal power or like self confidence. So I'm

693
00:38:05.199 --> 00:38:08.280
<v Speaker 1>not experiencing Pluto in a negative way more so like

694
00:38:08.840 --> 00:38:11.360
<v Speaker 1>why have I never figured this out about myself before? Now?

695
00:38:11.519 --> 00:38:13.280
<v Speaker 3>Like that's so interesting.

696
00:38:13.840 --> 00:38:17.000
<v Speaker 2>I feel like the Aquarius suns, it's going to be

697
00:38:17.079 --> 00:38:20.639
<v Speaker 2>really important to look at what they're working on and

698
00:38:20.679 --> 00:38:23.559
<v Speaker 2>what they're putting out in the world because with that

699
00:38:23.679 --> 00:38:30.360
<v Speaker 2>Pluto transforming the they're like underlying goals and identity.

700
00:38:30.519 --> 00:38:32.559
<v Speaker 3>It'll be interesting. It's almost the attention.

701
00:38:32.320 --> 00:38:34.199
<v Speaker 1>To peeling back and me like, this is who you

702
00:38:34.280 --> 00:38:36.920
<v Speaker 1>really are? Ye lean into that.

703
00:38:37.400 --> 00:38:39.280
<v Speaker 3>I love that. That's really exciting.

704
00:38:39.559 --> 00:38:41.880
<v Speaker 1>I speak to me in a couple of years, maybe

705
00:38:41.920 --> 00:38:44.840
<v Speaker 1>something really dramatic and awful does happen later a Pluto transit,

706
00:38:44.880 --> 00:38:47.599
<v Speaker 1>but so far it has been like empowering and I

707
00:38:47.679 --> 00:38:48.280
<v Speaker 1>feel better.

708
00:38:48.679 --> 00:38:49.920
<v Speaker 3>Wait, that's really hopeful.

709
00:38:50.280 --> 00:38:53.800
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I don't know if I've had a big Pluto transit.

710
00:38:54.000 --> 00:38:59.239
<v Speaker 2>Right now, it's transitting through the fifth and is close

711
00:38:59.280 --> 00:39:03.440
<v Speaker 2>to trying my ascendant, but I think it's already past

712
00:39:03.519 --> 00:39:04.079
<v Speaker 2>that point.

713
00:39:04.800 --> 00:39:07.360
<v Speaker 1>I guess your last major one would have been Pluto

714
00:39:07.440 --> 00:39:09.719
<v Speaker 1>square or ascendant, but that would have been like because

715
00:39:09.719 --> 00:39:12.480
<v Speaker 1>you have such an early libor rising. Maybe that was

716
00:39:13.119 --> 00:39:15.599
<v Speaker 1>like two thousand and nine, twenty ten. That's a while ago.

717
00:39:16.239 --> 00:39:18.920
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I'm not sure. I was in middle school.

718
00:39:19.159 --> 00:39:21.159
<v Speaker 1>You'll have to think on that. See if you went

719
00:39:21.239 --> 00:39:24.199
<v Speaker 1>through a personal people or like something.

720
00:39:24.519 --> 00:39:24.960
<v Speaker 3>Probably.

721
00:39:25.760 --> 00:39:30.360
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. You also mentioned how you don't love Mars retrograde

722
00:39:31.039 --> 00:39:33.880
<v Speaker 1>because we have that coming up. I guess we're in

723
00:39:33.960 --> 00:39:38.360
<v Speaker 1>like almost June. Now, when was that Mars? That's January tenth,

724
00:39:38.719 --> 00:39:44.800
<v Speaker 1>so seven six seven months from now. What challenges do

725
00:39:44.840 --> 00:39:47.000
<v Speaker 1>you find surface with Mars retrogrades?

726
00:39:47.800 --> 00:39:53.400
<v Speaker 2>With Mars, the motivation and will to act and do

727
00:39:53.519 --> 00:39:56.679
<v Speaker 2>anything is so much harder for me. I think it

728
00:39:56.800 --> 00:40:00.880
<v Speaker 2>also relates back to that Mars and the twelfth, where

729
00:40:01.360 --> 00:40:06.320
<v Speaker 2>this is already something that's something that's confusing to grasp,

730
00:40:06.920 --> 00:40:10.519
<v Speaker 2>and then when it's emphasized through a retrograde, that energy

731
00:40:10.679 --> 00:40:12.519
<v Speaker 2>just feels a lot.

732
00:40:12.400 --> 00:40:15.760
<v Speaker 3>More daunting and frustrating slow.

733
00:40:15.960 --> 00:40:18.760
<v Speaker 2>Those are the themes that I notice in general.

734
00:40:19.320 --> 00:40:21.760
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I notice it's hard to pinpoint where to direct

735
00:40:21.760 --> 00:40:24.280
<v Speaker 1>your energy. Like there's often a lot of ideas that

736
00:40:24.480 --> 00:40:28.039
<v Speaker 1>surface in whatever house it's about to station retrograde in

737
00:40:29.320 --> 00:40:31.840
<v Speaker 1>right before the retrograde starts. But then it's like something

738
00:40:31.840 --> 00:40:34.400
<v Speaker 1>about this doesn't feel totally right, and you kind of

739
00:40:34.440 --> 00:40:36.599
<v Speaker 1>spend the rest of the retrograde being like how do

740
00:40:36.760 --> 00:40:40.599
<v Speaker 1>I get this right? Like how does it feel? There's

741
00:40:40.599 --> 00:40:41.480
<v Speaker 1>still aligned.

742
00:40:41.320 --> 00:40:45.880
<v Speaker 2>They restructuring that needs to go on through, and conflicts

743
00:40:45.920 --> 00:40:50.119
<v Speaker 2>will arise through the retrograde that you're so frustrated.

744
00:40:49.559 --> 00:40:50.400
<v Speaker 3>And annoyed by.

745
00:40:50.840 --> 00:40:53.760
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but you are kind of expecting it because you

746
00:40:53.880 --> 00:40:57.000
<v Speaker 2>know that this area needed to be reworked in some way.

747
00:40:57.639 --> 00:41:01.440
<v Speaker 2>A really interesting example I was thinking of with Mars

748
00:41:01.559 --> 00:41:05.760
<v Speaker 2>retrograde is the last Mars retrograde was in Cancer.

749
00:41:06.320 --> 00:41:10.000
<v Speaker 1>In Yeah, Leo to Cancer twenty twenty four. He had

750
00:41:10.079 --> 00:41:13.559
<v Speaker 1>started the very last month of twenty twenty four. I

751
00:41:13.599 --> 00:41:16.719
<v Speaker 1>believe it started early December of twenty twenty four, and

752
00:41:16.760 --> 00:41:19.880
<v Speaker 1>then it I think so lasted until late February of

753
00:41:19.880 --> 00:41:20.679
<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty five.

754
00:41:21.119 --> 00:41:25.000
<v Speaker 2>What was interesting I was looking at Kendrick Lamar's chart

755
00:41:25.119 --> 00:41:30.679
<v Speaker 2>librerising and his natal cancer Mars placement in his tenth.

756
00:41:30.960 --> 00:41:35.519
<v Speaker 2>In his tenth was it was hitting that chart placement

757
00:41:36.320 --> 00:41:40.519
<v Speaker 2>and that was aligned with his like super Bowl performance, his.

758
00:41:43.039 --> 00:41:45.480
<v Speaker 3>Conflict with Drake and all of that.

759
00:41:45.719 --> 00:41:47.519
<v Speaker 1>But a lot more public attention.

760
00:41:47.440 --> 00:41:51.360
<v Speaker 2>So much public attention, and I think he actually found

761
00:41:51.360 --> 00:41:55.400
<v Speaker 2>a way to harness his natural Mars in the tenth

762
00:41:55.840 --> 00:41:57.960
<v Speaker 2>in a productive way that like put him in this

763
00:41:58.039 --> 00:41:58.800
<v Speaker 2>big spotlight.

764
00:41:59.400 --> 00:42:02.239
<v Speaker 1>Even though like retrograde can be like can make things

765
00:42:02.280 --> 00:42:04.400
<v Speaker 1>feel slow down and frustrating, it does cause a lot

766
00:42:04.480 --> 00:42:07.639
<v Speaker 1>to happen in that house of your chart, Like more

767
00:42:07.760 --> 00:42:10.000
<v Speaker 1>is going on there naturally. Even in like the year

768
00:42:10.119 --> 00:42:13.599
<v Speaker 1>leading up to the retrograde happening, You're seeing this stage

769
00:42:13.679 --> 00:42:17.119
<v Speaker 1>set for like what's to occur. Like I'm thinking back,

770
00:42:18.480 --> 00:42:21.480
<v Speaker 1>what's one I just remember, like having Mars retrograde in

771
00:42:21.519 --> 00:42:24.679
<v Speaker 1>aries in twenty twenty, that was September to November of

772
00:42:24.679 --> 00:42:27.360
<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty, and that was my ninth house. And like

773
00:42:27.400 --> 00:42:29.800
<v Speaker 1>even before that retrograde started, it was like I was

774
00:42:29.840 --> 00:42:33.599
<v Speaker 1>obsessed with learning about like spirituality and like going deeper

775
00:42:33.599 --> 00:42:36.280
<v Speaker 1>with astrology and like psychic abilities and all of this stuff.

776
00:42:36.280 --> 00:42:38.679
<v Speaker 1>It was just a theme for the year, and it

777
00:42:38.840 --> 00:42:41.679
<v Speaker 1>just got more and more concentrated when that retrograde began.

778
00:42:42.239 --> 00:42:43.159
<v Speaker 3>That's so true.

779
00:42:43.559 --> 00:42:44.239
<v Speaker 1>That was.

780
00:42:45.920 --> 00:42:50.000
<v Speaker 2>I feel like Mars, there's so much emphasis prior to

781
00:42:50.039 --> 00:42:54.119
<v Speaker 2>the retrograde and then also after because you're restructuring whatever

782
00:42:54.159 --> 00:42:57.639
<v Speaker 2>it's worked through, and a lot of times there will

783
00:42:57.719 --> 00:43:02.280
<v Speaker 2>be relationships or things that get it ended or cut

784
00:43:02.320 --> 00:43:05.960
<v Speaker 2>off during that retrograde in twenty twenty. For me, was

785
00:43:05.960 --> 00:43:09.559
<v Speaker 2>the last time, I think right during that Mars retrograde

786
00:43:09.920 --> 00:43:13.840
<v Speaker 2>was when I ended this year long situationship that I

787
00:43:13.880 --> 00:43:14.760
<v Speaker 2>was in and that was.

788
00:43:14.760 --> 00:43:19.800
<v Speaker 1>A seventh house. Interesting, yeah, I had a seventh house

789
00:43:19.840 --> 00:43:23.800
<v Speaker 1>Mars retrograde when it was in Aquarius in twenty eighteen.

790
00:43:24.320 --> 00:43:27.679
<v Speaker 1>That was Aquarius Capricorn Mars retrograde summer of twenty eighteen.

791
00:43:28.440 --> 00:43:30.960
<v Speaker 1>And this guy that I had been involved with since

792
00:43:31.039 --> 00:43:34.280
<v Speaker 1>college kept coming back post grad so many times. That

793
00:43:34.400 --> 00:43:36.320
<v Speaker 1>was the final time that was You're done.

794
00:43:36.519 --> 00:43:40.280
<v Speaker 2>The same For me, it was a cycle repeating, constantly

795
00:43:40.320 --> 00:43:43.920
<v Speaker 2>thinking about relationships, and then finally during the Mars retrograde,

796
00:43:43.920 --> 00:43:45.320
<v Speaker 2>it was over for good.

797
00:43:45.960 --> 00:43:49.599
<v Speaker 1>Okay, yeah, so do you already because the next one

798
00:43:49.639 --> 00:43:53.159
<v Speaker 1>coming up January tenth to April first of twenty twenty

799
00:43:53.159 --> 00:43:56.960
<v Speaker 1>seven that will start in Virgo your twelfth and end

800
00:43:57.000 --> 00:44:01.800
<v Speaker 1>in Leo your eleventh. Are you already seen twelveth Eleventh

801
00:44:01.840 --> 00:44:04.440
<v Speaker 1>House themes like just the closer we get to that

802
00:44:04.559 --> 00:44:07.360
<v Speaker 1>starting be more. I don't know even if they're not

803
00:44:07.360 --> 00:44:10.239
<v Speaker 1>frustrating yet because the record still hasn't started, just a

804
00:44:10.239 --> 00:44:11.480
<v Speaker 1>greater emphasis on them.

805
00:44:12.239 --> 00:44:16.199
<v Speaker 2>I think there is definitely an eleventh House emphasis that

806
00:44:16.280 --> 00:44:20.639
<v Speaker 2>I feel coming into play, which also relates.

807
00:44:20.280 --> 00:44:22.920
<v Speaker 1>To Jupiter, the South Node and the South.

808
00:44:22.760 --> 00:44:27.280
<v Speaker 2>Node moving there. It just seems like eleventh House and

809
00:44:27.719 --> 00:44:32.199
<v Speaker 2>my connections people that I'm around are becoming more important.

810
00:44:32.719 --> 00:44:36.800
<v Speaker 2>So hopefully that yeah, doesn't cause too much conflict.

811
00:44:36.960 --> 00:44:40.280
<v Speaker 1>But I loved Mars Retrogad in the eleventh House, Okay,

812
00:44:40.360 --> 00:44:42.559
<v Speaker 1>I had that when it was Jemini in twenty twenty two.

813
00:44:43.079 --> 00:44:45.079
<v Speaker 1>I felt like more people were supportive. It was a

814
00:44:45.119 --> 00:44:47.519
<v Speaker 1>great time for building an audience for my business, Like

815
00:44:47.559 --> 00:44:50.960
<v Speaker 1>it just came so much easily, came so much more easily,

816
00:44:51.119 --> 00:44:53.000
<v Speaker 1>especially once the retrograde was in effect.

817
00:44:53.440 --> 00:44:54.599
<v Speaker 3>Okay, that's hopeful.

818
00:44:54.960 --> 00:44:57.400
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's one of the more positive ones. I would

819
00:44:57.440 --> 00:44:59.760
<v Speaker 1>say it's an eleventh House, but it could bring up

820
00:44:59.760 --> 00:45:01.199
<v Speaker 1>ten and with friends.

821
00:45:01.000 --> 00:45:03.400
<v Speaker 3>And then twelve it's gonna I think I didn't love.

822
00:45:03.559 --> 00:45:05.760
<v Speaker 2>I think I'm just gonna want to be alone.

823
00:45:06.320 --> 00:45:09.239
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, or a huge emphasis on wellness, which you've already

824
00:45:09.239 --> 00:45:11.800
<v Speaker 1>experienced what the eclipses there, But I with a twelve

825
00:45:11.840 --> 00:45:13.519
<v Speaker 1>house retrograd, it was like the first time in my

826
00:45:13.559 --> 00:45:17.000
<v Speaker 1>life I had worked out like in the morning, like

827
00:45:17.039 --> 00:45:18.920
<v Speaker 1>every day, Like I've never done that.

828
00:45:18.840 --> 00:45:20.960
<v Speaker 2>And I'm not doing that right now, so maybe I'll start.

829
00:45:21.480 --> 00:45:24.519
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so I have the retrograde will start in my

830
00:45:24.639 --> 00:45:26.880
<v Speaker 1>second house and go back to my first, And I

831
00:45:26.920 --> 00:45:29.760
<v Speaker 1>already see the themes being set up of like, Okay,

832
00:45:29.760 --> 00:45:32.559
<v Speaker 1>I'm going through this huge first house life change. I'm

833
00:45:32.599 --> 00:45:36.480
<v Speaker 1>becoming a mom ahead of that retrograde starting. How does

834
00:45:36.519 --> 00:45:39.000
<v Speaker 1>that change my business and how I make money and

835
00:45:39.000 --> 00:45:42.840
<v Speaker 1>what I prioritize in my business? And I feel like

836
00:45:42.880 --> 00:45:46.039
<v Speaker 1>I'll spend a ton of that retrograde reflecting on it,

837
00:45:46.159 --> 00:45:48.599
<v Speaker 1>and then once it ends in April, it'll be like

838
00:45:49.039 --> 00:45:50.400
<v Speaker 1>this is what we're doing with work now?

839
00:45:50.679 --> 00:45:53.800
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and with Mars, it's probably going to be about

840
00:45:53.840 --> 00:45:56.960
<v Speaker 2>where should I direct my energy in a way that's

841
00:45:57.039 --> 00:46:02.719
<v Speaker 2>most productive and intentional because I have a baby.

842
00:46:02.480 --> 00:46:06.719
<v Speaker 1>Too, Yeah, exactly, like I'm already thinking about that even

843
00:46:06.719 --> 00:46:09.559
<v Speaker 1>though the retrogad is so far away still that's interesting.

844
00:46:11.519 --> 00:46:15.840
<v Speaker 1>One other thing, with the difficult planets Saturn, Mars, Chiron,

845
00:46:15.880 --> 00:46:18.039
<v Speaker 1>all this stuff we've been talking about, I wanted to

846
00:46:18.079 --> 00:46:21.639
<v Speaker 1>go over like how not only the Saturn natal placement

847
00:46:21.679 --> 00:46:23.679
<v Speaker 1>in your charts, so like for you you have Saturn

848
00:46:23.719 --> 00:46:27.000
<v Speaker 1>and Ares, but also the house is ruled by Saturn,

849
00:46:27.119 --> 00:46:29.719
<v Speaker 1>So your fourth house is ruled by Capricorn, your fifth

850
00:46:29.719 --> 00:46:33.599
<v Speaker 1>house is ruled by Aquarius, both associated with Saturn. Do

851
00:46:33.639 --> 00:46:36.559
<v Speaker 1>you see those getting that same influence that your seventh

852
00:46:36.599 --> 00:46:38.679
<v Speaker 1>house has or is a bit easier.

853
00:46:39.079 --> 00:46:39.360
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

854
00:46:39.400 --> 00:46:43.639
<v Speaker 2>I think with the fourth house, the idea of home

855
00:46:43.760 --> 00:46:50.880
<v Speaker 2>and family. Family was constantly changing. We were moving a

856
00:46:50.920 --> 00:46:54.960
<v Speaker 2>lot growing up, so it was hard to have like

857
00:46:55.000 --> 00:46:59.079
<v Speaker 2>a steady foundation of just where we were living our

858
00:46:59.199 --> 00:46:59.920
<v Speaker 2>physical home.

859
00:47:00.159 --> 00:47:01.840
<v Speaker 1>That could also be the Neptune in the fourth house.

860
00:47:02.079 --> 00:47:03.519
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that also makes sense.

861
00:47:04.440 --> 00:47:08.960
<v Speaker 2>And then with the fifth house, I think with my

862
00:47:09.039 --> 00:47:12.840
<v Speaker 2>creative projects and endeavors, that's always been something I've been

863
00:47:13.239 --> 00:47:17.039
<v Speaker 2>super drawn to and super interested in the arts, but

864
00:47:17.079 --> 00:47:22.239
<v Speaker 2>there was also this perfectionist tendency of taking it very seriously,

865
00:47:22.840 --> 00:47:26.920
<v Speaker 2>not wanting to show anyone what I've created because I'm

866
00:47:26.960 --> 00:47:30.400
<v Speaker 2>so hyper critical and taking it super seriously.

867
00:47:30.920 --> 00:47:33.880
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, like everything has to be perfectly done before I

868
00:47:33.920 --> 00:47:35.440
<v Speaker 1>put it out there, but then you don't end up

869
00:47:35.440 --> 00:47:38.119
<v Speaker 1>putting anything out because it's not very perfect enough exactly.

870
00:47:38.599 --> 00:47:41.639
<v Speaker 1>I wonder if, like during your Saturn return, those the

871
00:47:41.679 --> 00:47:44.559
<v Speaker 1>topic of maybe moving in her home and family gets addressed,

872
00:47:44.880 --> 00:47:48.400
<v Speaker 1>or I don't know, gaining more confidence and creative stuff.

873
00:47:48.920 --> 00:47:52.000
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, what about you? How have you noticed Saturn.

874
00:47:51.719 --> 00:47:54.440
<v Speaker 1>Because Saturn already is in one of the signs of

875
00:47:54.559 --> 00:47:57.480
<v Speaker 1>rules seventh Aquarius for me. But I did notice a

876
00:47:57.519 --> 00:48:00.519
<v Speaker 1>lot of Six House themes come up during my return

877
00:48:00.559 --> 00:48:04.880
<v Speaker 1>because that's a ruled by Capricorn. Health hadn't. I'm someone

878
00:48:04.880 --> 00:48:06.800
<v Speaker 1>that just never took care of my body in my

879
00:48:06.880 --> 00:48:10.360
<v Speaker 1>early twenties, like eats whatever, doesn't really work out. That

880
00:48:10.400 --> 00:48:12.360
<v Speaker 1>all had to change at the Saturn return because I

881
00:48:12.400 --> 00:48:15.119
<v Speaker 1>had like health problems come up and I was just like, oh,

882
00:48:15.159 --> 00:48:17.760
<v Speaker 1>it actually is cool to exercise and like take care

883
00:48:17.800 --> 00:48:23.599
<v Speaker 1>of myself. I wouldn't. I don't notice the Saturn so

884
00:48:23.800 --> 00:48:26.920
<v Speaker 1>much with works the Six House like negative work stuff,

885
00:48:26.960 --> 00:48:29.639
<v Speaker 1>I don't notice it as much. I would say, maybe

886
00:48:29.679 --> 00:48:32.320
<v Speaker 1>like figuring out what work is worth my time and

887
00:48:32.440 --> 00:48:35.039
<v Speaker 1>energy was a big Saturn return theme.

888
00:48:35.000 --> 00:48:36.159
<v Speaker 3>That makes so much sense.

889
00:48:36.559 --> 00:48:39.559
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and like, how was I over extending myself and

890
00:48:39.599 --> 00:48:42.280
<v Speaker 1>doing too much work for other people instead of like

891
00:48:42.639 --> 00:48:43.760
<v Speaker 1>what I actually care about?

892
00:48:44.440 --> 00:48:45.760
<v Speaker 2>Wow, that's so cool.

893
00:48:46.079 --> 00:48:48.599
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but yeah, the I just wanted to call that

894
00:48:48.599 --> 00:48:51.440
<v Speaker 1>out because it's like, not only the Saturn placement is

895
00:48:51.480 --> 00:48:55.159
<v Speaker 1>important at a Saturn return, but also the two houses ruled

896
00:48:55.159 --> 00:48:56.360
<v Speaker 1>by Saturn.

897
00:48:55.960 --> 00:49:00.480
<v Speaker 2>And I I definitely feel that emphasis coming in where

898
00:49:01.000 --> 00:49:04.119
<v Speaker 2>I'm thinking about what I want in like a long

899
00:49:04.239 --> 00:49:09.960
<v Speaker 2>term home, and also trying to be less of a

900
00:49:10.000 --> 00:49:15.079
<v Speaker 2>perfectionist with creative projects and putting things out there before

901
00:49:15.119 --> 00:49:17.760
<v Speaker 2>it feels like it's fully ready.

902
00:49:18.079 --> 00:49:19.719
<v Speaker 1>It'll be cool to check back in with you in

903
00:49:19.760 --> 00:49:24.440
<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty eight, be like what's changed, hopefully. I wanted

904
00:49:24.480 --> 00:49:27.360
<v Speaker 1>to end by talking about what are just some other

905
00:49:28.199 --> 00:49:29.960
<v Speaker 1>Are there any Is there anything we haven't touched upon

906
00:49:30.000 --> 00:49:33.800
<v Speaker 1>that's like a challenging transit that we could talk through.

907
00:49:34.320 --> 00:49:38.639
<v Speaker 1>I'm trying to think, hmm, maybe.

908
00:49:38.519 --> 00:49:41.639
<v Speaker 2>It's top of mind because Saturn just moved through my

909
00:49:41.800 --> 00:49:45.280
<v Speaker 2>sixth house, but we've already talked a lot about sixth.

910
00:49:45.000 --> 00:49:49.239
<v Speaker 1>House, six and twelfth transits in general. Yeah, I mean

911
00:49:50.079 --> 00:49:52.800
<v Speaker 1>twelfth the hardest thing I noticed is like falling outs

912
00:49:52.840 --> 00:49:56.480
<v Speaker 1>with people, or like things ending or things like not

913
00:49:57.719 --> 00:50:00.239
<v Speaker 1>I don't know, being forced to slow down again my

914
00:50:00.320 --> 00:50:02.960
<v Speaker 1>will I can.

915
00:50:02.800 --> 00:50:06.360
<v Speaker 2>Relate to that with the nodes being in the twelfth.

916
00:50:06.559 --> 00:50:09.320
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, what do you find more difficult twelfth House transit,

917
00:50:09.639 --> 00:50:11.000
<v Speaker 1>eighth House or fourth House?

918
00:50:13.519 --> 00:50:16.000
<v Speaker 3>Oh my gosh, such a good questions, is the question.

919
00:50:18.360 --> 00:50:22.679
<v Speaker 2>I would say not eighth because maybe and maybe that's

920
00:50:23.000 --> 00:50:24.960
<v Speaker 2>tied to Venus and the sun being there.

921
00:50:25.480 --> 00:50:27.599
<v Speaker 3>But eighth House feels more.

922
00:50:28.039 --> 00:50:32.000
<v Speaker 2>Comfortable and like a natural place for me to be.

923
00:50:33.360 --> 00:50:36.480
<v Speaker 2>What I find really challenging is twelfth House and fourth

924
00:50:37.880 --> 00:50:41.760
<v Speaker 2>because both of those feel like I'm going very internal

925
00:50:42.079 --> 00:50:48.000
<v Speaker 2>and spending a lot of time alone. Twelfth I think

926
00:50:48.039 --> 00:50:54.320
<v Speaker 2>I can have a tendency to spiral and really like overthink.

927
00:50:55.239 --> 00:50:57.559
<v Speaker 2>And then Fourth it just feels like nothing is really

928
00:50:57.559 --> 00:51:02.719
<v Speaker 2>happening when I want to be out or doing things. Yeah,

929
00:51:02.760 --> 00:51:04.159
<v Speaker 2>but it feels a lot slower.

930
00:51:04.719 --> 00:51:06.960
<v Speaker 1>My fourth is ruled by Scorpio, and I do notice

931
00:51:07.039 --> 00:51:09.320
<v Speaker 1>that's the period of the year I dislike the most.

932
00:51:09.559 --> 00:51:13.199
<v Speaker 1>It's like I just hate that internal slow period of

933
00:51:13.199 --> 00:51:15.719
<v Speaker 1>the year. Whereas I could say the same about cancer

934
00:51:15.760 --> 00:51:18.679
<v Speaker 1>season because it's my twelve. I don't know, I'm gonna

935
00:51:18.679 --> 00:51:20.880
<v Speaker 1>have to go with twelfth is my least favorite though,

936
00:51:21.239 --> 00:51:23.199
<v Speaker 1>just because it's like you're not as a Leo Rising.

937
00:51:23.280 --> 00:51:26.400
<v Speaker 1>I don't like not being seen, Like you're literally hidden

938
00:51:26.719 --> 00:51:31.119
<v Speaker 1>with transits through the twelfth and it's if you the

939
00:51:31.239 --> 00:51:34.840
<v Speaker 1>harder you try, it's like nothing. Yeah, you could put

940
00:51:34.880 --> 00:51:36.559
<v Speaker 1>so much stuff out there and try to get so

941
00:51:36.639 --> 00:51:38.360
<v Speaker 1>much going and it's just not going to pay.

942
00:51:38.440 --> 00:51:41.519
<v Speaker 2>You just have to wait until it enters the first.

943
00:51:41.519 --> 00:51:43.000
<v Speaker 1>It's like a lesson in patience.

944
00:51:43.679 --> 00:51:45.280
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, totally, so.

945
00:51:45.199 --> 00:51:48.360
<v Speaker 1>Those are I would say those are trickier houses for

946
00:51:48.400 --> 00:51:51.199
<v Speaker 1>stuff to go through. Also, Yeah, one thing I did

947
00:51:51.320 --> 00:51:54.079
<v Speaker 1>want to bring up is like transits that might be overhyped,

948
00:51:55.239 --> 00:51:58.079
<v Speaker 1>So like what are transits You're like, oh, I expected

949
00:51:58.119 --> 00:52:02.599
<v Speaker 1>this to go so well, but nothing really happened.

950
00:52:05.119 --> 00:52:08.920
<v Speaker 2>The one that comes to mind is Jupiter. Jupiter puts

951
00:52:08.960 --> 00:52:13.800
<v Speaker 2>so much emphasis where you're thinking about whatever house sits in,

952
00:52:15.199 --> 00:52:18.719
<v Speaker 2>but it doesn't really like materialize into anything per se.

953
00:52:19.079 --> 00:52:20.920
<v Speaker 1>It has to be back to wait.

954
00:52:21.000 --> 00:52:25.239
<v Speaker 2>For other planets to enter and meet Jupiter or it's

955
00:52:25.400 --> 00:52:29.519
<v Speaker 2>just this like cloud of anticipation and waiting for things

956
00:52:29.519 --> 00:52:30.159
<v Speaker 2>to happen there.

957
00:52:30.559 --> 00:52:32.679
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, like you've had Jupiter in your tenth house, and

958
00:52:32.719 --> 00:52:34.440
<v Speaker 1>it's kind of been like, Okay, when are things really

959
00:52:34.480 --> 00:52:38.119
<v Speaker 1>gonna grow more? What's your career? That I felt the

960
00:52:38.119 --> 00:52:40.039
<v Speaker 1>same way with Jupiter in my tenth It was like

961
00:52:40.119 --> 00:52:42.280
<v Speaker 1>something I looked forward to so much and then it

962
00:52:42.320 --> 00:52:45.639
<v Speaker 1>felt almost just too overwhelming with work, but not in

963
00:52:45.679 --> 00:52:46.800
<v Speaker 1>a good way totally.

964
00:52:47.000 --> 00:52:51.920
<v Speaker 2>I think Jupiter almost puts too much energy into something,

965
00:52:52.000 --> 00:52:54.840
<v Speaker 2>but it doesn't really like ground it in anything.

966
00:52:54.960 --> 00:52:55.880
<v Speaker 1>So it's interesting.

967
00:52:55.920 --> 00:52:59.119
<v Speaker 2>There's this energy overload where you're spending a lot of

968
00:52:59.159 --> 00:53:03.760
<v Speaker 2>timeocusing on wherever it's in your chart, but it doesn't

969
00:53:03.760 --> 00:53:07.559
<v Speaker 2>always materialize, and sometimes it's just there to give you

970
00:53:07.599 --> 00:53:10.840
<v Speaker 2>a new perspective. I have an example if one of

971
00:53:10.880 --> 00:53:16.719
<v Speaker 2>my friends is a Cabricorn rising and she just went

972
00:53:16.800 --> 00:53:23.480
<v Speaker 2>through this relationship with Jupiter and her in her seventh house. Yeah,

973
00:53:23.559 --> 00:53:26.960
<v Speaker 2>and then it didn't end up materializing into something serious,

974
00:53:27.039 --> 00:53:28.079
<v Speaker 2>which she was.

975
00:53:28.039 --> 00:53:28.920
<v Speaker 3>Really hoping for.

976
00:53:29.679 --> 00:53:34.199
<v Speaker 2>Interesting, and I think that's so typical of Jupiter. It

977
00:53:34.320 --> 00:53:37.960
<v Speaker 2>like introduced her to someone she wouldn't normally date and

978
00:53:38.039 --> 00:53:41.480
<v Speaker 2>she ended up really clicking with them, but then it

979
00:53:41.599 --> 00:53:43.039
<v Speaker 2>just ended up fizzling.

980
00:53:43.400 --> 00:53:45.480
<v Speaker 1>I think like there has to be Saturn there for

981
00:53:45.519 --> 00:53:49.239
<v Speaker 1>there to be like firm commitment with something. I think so,

982
00:53:49.360 --> 00:53:52.039
<v Speaker 1>which is why I like Saturn more as even though

983
00:53:52.039 --> 00:53:54.360
<v Speaker 1>it's really hard in the moment, like it actually stuff

984
00:53:54.400 --> 00:53:57.079
<v Speaker 1>gets done with Saturn.

985
00:53:56.400 --> 00:53:58.199
<v Speaker 2>That I think I agree with that.

986
00:53:58.760 --> 00:54:03.079
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, is there a favorite Saturn or Jupiter transit you have?

987
00:54:04.440 --> 00:54:08.400
<v Speaker 2>I now, looking back, Saturn moving through my fifth house

988
00:54:08.440 --> 00:54:11.840
<v Speaker 2>in the moment felt really difficult, and it was also

989
00:54:12.639 --> 00:54:15.199
<v Speaker 2>at the same time as COVID, I was going through

990
00:54:15.280 --> 00:54:21.760
<v Speaker 2>a lot of lessons in romance dating and also spending

991
00:54:21.800 --> 00:54:27.880
<v Speaker 2>so much time water coloring every day, which felt very Saturn,

992
00:54:28.639 --> 00:54:30.079
<v Speaker 2>like you have to do this every day.

993
00:54:30.159 --> 00:54:30.360
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

994
00:54:30.400 --> 00:54:33.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but looking back, I think a lot of that

995
00:54:34.079 --> 00:54:37.960
<v Speaker 2>was really helpful and taught me so many valuable lessons

996
00:54:38.039 --> 00:54:39.760
<v Speaker 2>in all of those areas.

997
00:54:40.159 --> 00:54:42.480
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Saturn through the fifth was fun for me too.

998
00:54:42.599 --> 00:54:45.280
<v Speaker 1>I was like, this is how I don't know, I

999
00:54:45.440 --> 00:54:47.519
<v Speaker 1>had so much fun, like blogging because this was back

1000
00:54:47.519 --> 00:54:52.280
<v Speaker 1>in like twenty fifteen, like different era on social media,

1001
00:54:53.119 --> 00:54:55.920
<v Speaker 1>like finding my creative voice. I also love Saturn in

1002
00:54:55.920 --> 00:54:58.079
<v Speaker 1>the seventh, so I wonder how you'll feel at the

1003
00:54:58.159 --> 00:55:01.079
<v Speaker 1>end of that. I've liked the seventh a lot more

1004
00:55:01.079 --> 00:55:02.960
<v Speaker 1>than Saturn in the eighth or the sixth.

1005
00:55:03.440 --> 00:55:05.559
<v Speaker 2>That makes sense I think so far I like it

1006
00:55:05.599 --> 00:55:09.719
<v Speaker 2>better than Saturn in the sixth, but we'll see how

1007
00:55:10.199 --> 00:55:11.920
<v Speaker 2>my Saturn plays out.

1008
00:55:12.320 --> 00:55:15.559
<v Speaker 1>And my favorite Jupiter trans is Jupiter in the ninth

1009
00:55:15.719 --> 00:55:16.760
<v Speaker 1>and Jupiter in the fifth.

1010
00:55:18.119 --> 00:55:20.719
<v Speaker 2>Jupiter in the ninth is when I began DJing and

1011
00:55:20.880 --> 00:55:22.800
<v Speaker 2>cosmic cocktails at the same time.

1012
00:55:23.079 --> 00:55:24.159
<v Speaker 1>It's such a fun trend.

1013
00:55:24.239 --> 00:55:26.320
<v Speaker 3>It went over my moon okay ninth.

1014
00:55:26.639 --> 00:55:30.320
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's like expansive, like you're excited to learn, ye spirament.

1015
00:55:31.159 --> 00:55:33.679
<v Speaker 1>Oh I love that. Well, we could go on forever,

1016
00:55:34.039 --> 00:55:37.000
<v Speaker 1>like talking about random stuff, but this has been such

1017
00:55:37.039 --> 00:55:39.360
<v Speaker 1>a nice chat. Thank you for coming on vaccine.

1018
00:55:39.440 --> 00:55:41.760
<v Speaker 3>Thank you so much for having me. It's been so

1019
00:55:41.800 --> 00:55:42.760
<v Speaker 3>special to be on.

1020
00:55:43.079 --> 00:55:46.119
<v Speaker 1>Where can people find you, book your services everything?

1021
00:55:46.599 --> 00:55:51.280
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so I'm on Instagram as just Maxine Twig and

1022
00:55:51.719 --> 00:55:52.760
<v Speaker 2>they can find me there.

1023
00:55:52.960 --> 00:55:53.679
<v Speaker 3>And I have a.

1024
00:55:53.679 --> 00:55:58.000
<v Speaker 1>Website Cosmic Cocktails or what your readings are called. Yeah, love, Okay,

1025
00:55:58.639 --> 00:56:03.039
<v Speaker 1>thank you, Thank you so much. As send some way