Speaker 1: Welcome back to another episode of Astrology with Alice. I'm
Speaker 1: here with my good friend and fellow astrologer, Maxine Twig.
Speaker 1: Welcome to the podcast.
Speaker 2: Thank you so much. It's so crazy being here. It's
Speaker 2: such a like pinch me moment.
Speaker 1: Oh, Like for so forever that doesn't know what is
Speaker 1: your sun moon and rising?
Speaker 2: Okay, so I'm a Libra rising Tauris's sun and Gemini moon.
Speaker 1: Also, where is your chart ruler? That's another question I've
Speaker 1: been liking to ask.
Speaker 2: So my chart ruler is Venus and it's in Taurus
Speaker 2: in the eighth house, So okay, at home.
Speaker 1: So you have that's a great placement to have, like
Speaker 1: chart ruler and the sign it rules. But you have
Speaker 1: your son and your chart ruler in the eighth Yes,
Speaker 1: what is that? Like? I know that's like a loaded question.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel like there's been such an eighth House
Speaker 2: emphasis throughout my life, Like I've always been naturally drawn
Speaker 2: to psychology and understanding people better. So I think it
Speaker 2: really plays out like in my day to day job
Speaker 2: a Fux design, and then also with astrology, it's all
Speaker 2: about like understanding people.
Speaker 1: Yeah, before I met up with you today, I was
Speaker 1: thinking I was like, Oh, I actually didn't realize she's
Speaker 1: that much emphasis on her eighth house, and I was
Speaker 1: thinking how it would play out maybe in the long
Speaker 1: term for you. And I feel like when Saturn goes
Speaker 1: into Taurus, your eighth like you could create I don't know,
Speaker 1: it's just such an entrepreneurial placement, like a lot of
Speaker 1: eighth house emphasis. Yeah, that's true, creating something of your
Speaker 1: own maybe in the near future.
Speaker 2: And you also have eighth house emphasis right, yeah.
Speaker 1: Moon and Venus. We both have Venus there. Oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: we have. This is what our episode is about today,
Speaker 1: how we share like very very similar chart placements. But
Speaker 1: before we get into that, just wanted to talk about
Speaker 1: like how we know each other. I feel like we've
Speaker 1: gotten closer over like a longer period of time, Like
Speaker 1: when did we first start talking, Like twenty twenty.
Speaker 3: Two, probably, I think.
Speaker 2: I mean I started out as such a super fan
Speaker 2: of yours, and we got introduced by our really good
Speaker 2: friend Daniella, who does my brand designer amazing design. She
Speaker 2: does yours too, right, No, I've kind of been doing
Speaker 2: mine on my own, but yeah, we just started out
Speaker 2: as friends through through that.
Speaker 1: And I feel like we connected because we share similar
Speaker 1: like pop culture interests with astrology. Like I remember I
Speaker 1: posted about like the Glossier, not memoir, but like mcmurpheet
Speaker 1: about Emily Wise, and I was like talking about the
Speaker 1: astrology and you were so into it and it's just
Speaker 1: like fun to talk about I don't know, like reality
Speaker 1: TV and all of that stuff, And.
Speaker 2: Maybe that's also our ape house. We're like really trying
Speaker 2: to understand the psychology of the way people are acting
Speaker 2: and the patterns, and reality TV is such a good
Speaker 2: way to do that. I feel like we also talked
Speaker 2: about Love Island at some.
Speaker 1: Point, Yeah, yeah, And I was also going to say,
Speaker 1: like understanding why someone got to where they are is
Speaker 1: an eighth house thing, like just digging deeper. I want
Speaker 1: to go back to, like how you first got into astrology.
Speaker 1: When did this become an interest of yours.
Speaker 2: It's crazy because I think I've been studying it quietly,
Speaker 2: like on my own pretty much my whole life.
Speaker 1: Like even in like middle school, high school.
Speaker 3: In high school.
Speaker 2: It probably started as like very basic pop culture level
Speaker 2: of understanding. And in my family, my mom is also
Speaker 2: super into like vedaic astrology, so I had kind of
Speaker 2: an introduction through that and then started doing chart readings
Speaker 2: pretty casually for my friends throughout like my early twenties,
Speaker 2: and it was always something that I was trying to
Speaker 2: learn more about and practice at a little bit deeper.
Speaker 2: And then probably in like twenty twenty four, when the
Speaker 2: notes were hitting my first in seventh house.
Speaker 1: Okay yeah, and there raised lebru Lipitter.
Speaker 2: Moved into my ninth house in Gemini. It was like
Speaker 2: this creative burst of wanting to turn my interests with
Speaker 2: like music and also astrology into something that was for
Speaker 2: other people and sharing it. So that was kind of
Speaker 2: how Cosmic Cocktails was born.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because you were you have like a lot of
Speaker 1: different interests that you blend with astrology, Like you're a
Speaker 1: dj is that's a hobby, that's a side business basically
Speaker 1: at this point. And then you also, i don't know,
Speaker 1: kind of going along with like party life djying is
Speaker 1: like cosmic cocktails, like how you're also interested in like
Speaker 1: using astrology to make mixed drinks and stuff like that.
Speaker 1: But then that's also what you call your readings is
Speaker 1: cosmic cosmic costs. Yeah, So I love this branding.
Speaker 2: It's it's a lot of emphasis on So in twenty
Speaker 2: twenty four. I was going out a lot and partying
Speaker 2: a lot and felt really creatively inspired by that whole
Speaker 2: scene and the people I was meeting and the music
Speaker 2: that I was listening to, And it kind of came
Speaker 2: as a way of like exploring that in a more
Speaker 2: creative way and sharing it with people that were interested
Speaker 2: in astrology and kind of found a way to like
Speaker 2: practice my readings through that like fun, lighthearted lens of
Speaker 2: like blending it with the nightlife.
Speaker 1: And you were also making like mixes like music. I
Speaker 1: don't know the right terminology for this mix playlists on
Speaker 1: Spotify based on like what zodiac season it is.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I found DJing at the same time. It
Speaker 2: was very Gemini Moon of me to be like, I
Speaker 2: want to explore these two things at the same time
Speaker 2: and blended it.
Speaker 3: So I was making for each.
Speaker 2: Zodiac season a set on SoundCloud for each zodiac sign,
Speaker 2: so so cool.
Speaker 3: It was really fun.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I like how you blend all these different interests
Speaker 1: together and you have like a cancer midhuff right, So
Speaker 1: the ruler of your mid heaven is that Moon and Gemini,
Speaker 1: which speaks to like, yeah, you have so many different
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: Whenever people make constant stimulation or I'm going to get bored,
Speaker 2: and yeah, a lot of variety.
Speaker 1: Exactly. Oh my god. Lo, so when did you in
Speaker 1: twenty twenty four? Was that when you were like, Okay,
Speaker 1: maybe I should start charging people to give them readings,
Speaker 1: like taking it more seriously in that way.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'd done so many of your courses and then
Speaker 2: just studied astrology for years. That also, two of my
Speaker 2: roommates were also Libra risings, so practicing on the three
Speaker 2: of us was something that really helped me develop my
Speaker 2: astrology practice. And then just like reading for friends of friends,
Speaker 2: it started to evolve kind of naturally where people were like,
Speaker 2: this is really valuable, you should charge for this.
Speaker 1: That's kind of how it was with me. It was
Speaker 1: just like an interest that evolved, like in a supernatural way.
Speaker 1: I was going to say, with the two roommates that
Speaker 1: are also Libra risings, where you guys all noticing similar
Speaker 1: things happening, Yeah, because you have the same house as activated.
Speaker 2: I think you probably can relate to this because you're
Speaker 2: our friend Daniella is.
Speaker 3: Also a Leo rising.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so it's like whenever a transit is occurring, you're
Speaker 2: feeling the emotions in a very similar way. It might
Speaker 2: be playing out in different situations, but the underlying tone
Speaker 2: and emotions are so similar.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I guess because we're also we.
Speaker 2: Have a really similar chart setup because we're all ninety
Speaker 2: seven ninety six.
Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, it's all the saturn and areas though interesting. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I love that connecting with people who have the same
Speaker 1: rising because even though it's not the same exact circumstance,
Speaker 1: like you were saying, like, very similar feelings at the
Speaker 1: same time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's so valuable to listen and learn from
Speaker 2: someone who's going through something similar.
Speaker 1: Yeah, as you've gotten more practice giving astrology readings, niching
Speaker 1: down into like what specific areas you want to go into,
Speaker 1: what's like an I don't know what topics would astrology
Speaker 1: have interested you the most, or like what if you
Speaker 1: wanted to go further.
Speaker 3: With I think off the top of my head.
Speaker 2: I love solo returns, and that's always a technique I'll
Speaker 2: bring in, like with a transit chart and then lunar
Speaker 2: return charts as well.
Speaker 1: So timing, Yeah, different timing.
Speaker 2: Techniques are super interesting and valuable, and I think people
Speaker 2: generally are coming to me in a period of transition
Speaker 2: or needing some guidance on like the direction that they
Speaker 2: should focus their energy. And so something that I really
Speaker 2: enjoy is like you have this happening in your sixth house,
Speaker 2: Like you should pay attention to that, and this is
Speaker 2: where you're going to get like fruitful results in the
Speaker 2: next few months.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's we have some interests in that way too,
Speaker 1: always trying to help people through like what's coming up
Speaker 1: and what they're currently experiencing. Yeah, I want to pivot
Speaker 1: and talk about how we have, Like I guess the
Speaker 1: main bulk of our conversation is like difficult chart placements
Speaker 1: and how we've dealt with those throughout our lives. We
Speaker 1: share this placement of like Mars, Chiron, and Saturn, even
Speaker 1: though we have different rising signs, all of these fallen
Speaker 1: different signs. We both have Mars in the twelfth house,
Speaker 1: we both have Saturn in the seventh house, and we
Speaker 1: both have Chiron in our first How close is Chiron
Speaker 1: to your ascendant?
Speaker 3: It's not that close.
Speaker 2: It's my ascendants three degrees and Chiron's twenty seven.
Speaker 1: Okay, I mean still though, but it's still in the
Speaker 1: Promised House. Yeah, And do you have anything else in
Speaker 1: Libra or that's like, that's it, so that's the pet
Speaker 1: or the asteroid that's like rising. Yeah, same for me.
Speaker 1: I want to ask you, like how you've experienced these,
Speaker 1: So we could start off with Chirn, like with Kirn
Speaker 1: in the first House, I guess I wanted to give like,
Speaker 1: I don't know how we have the same placement, but
Speaker 1: how it may have manifested differently for each of us,
Speaker 1: and also maybe what Chiron transits look like for people
Speaker 1: what I you, I don't know, what are the challenges
Speaker 1: you associated with that chart placement.
Speaker 2: I think Chiron specifically is such an internal planet or asteroid,
Speaker 2: and for me it really manifested and like as a
Speaker 2: child and into early adulthood, having a lot of insecurities
Speaker 2: about the way that I'm perceived by others, and yeah,
Speaker 2: feeling super shy growing up, not wanting to talk, not
Speaker 2: wanting to That's how it was visible, which is so
Speaker 2: interesting in Leo, which is the total opposite of that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like I want it, but also just like
Speaker 1: having in the first house, it's like wanting to be
Speaker 1: seen but then being afraid of being Yes, Like that's interesting.
Speaker 1: You brought up the being shy in school because I
Speaker 1: would not or raise my hand in class because I
Speaker 1: didn't want to draw attention to myself. Same like I
Speaker 1: would get in trouble. I would get a worst grade
Speaker 1: just because I refused to raise my hand.
Speaker 2: Participation was always like vaccine needs to talk more.
Speaker 3: We want to hear what she's saying. Oh my god.
Speaker 2: Another interesting thing I wonder if you've experienced this, but
Speaker 2: growing up, I also looked so much younger at every
Speaker 2: single age I at like sixteen. That was really not
Speaker 2: a fun experience to have when you look like five
Speaker 2: years Like this.
Speaker 1: Is crazy that you're saying this exact same thing. Because
Speaker 1: I just recorded and put out an episode on KIRN
Speaker 1: and I was talking about my experience with it in
Speaker 1: the first house, and one of the things I said
Speaker 1: was like being insecure because I always look younger exactly,
Speaker 1: And then when you get to an age where it's
Speaker 1: like guys should think you're hot, like no, that was never,
Speaker 1: Like that was never, And I feel like there's early
Speaker 1: like teenage or preteen years, like those feelings stick with you.
Speaker 1: It's like even though I do look my age now,
Speaker 1: I think.
Speaker 3: I do you still looking?
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's still like those feelings of not I don't
Speaker 1: know being behind in that way totally.
Speaker 2: I think it carries to feeling like you're behind or
Speaker 2: feeling less mature than the people around you, which I
Speaker 2: don't think is true for you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, No, I get that sometimes.
Speaker 2: That's like an internal thought that I think comes up
Speaker 2: sometimes for me.
Speaker 1: It's interesting how we both as well, like as we've
Speaker 1: gotten older, we chosen to put ourselves out there more
Speaker 1: on the internet, like through social media, meet through this podcast,
Speaker 1: like things like that. So it's really kind of learning
Speaker 1: how to conquer the fears of chiron. Like if I
Speaker 1: don't know, if like seventh grade me saw me talking
Speaker 1: in a public setting maybe like what the same?
Speaker 2: No, literally, I think it's also interesting because chiron is
Speaker 2: the point of where you can have greater healing for.
Speaker 3: The collective or people.
Speaker 2: So by overcoming those insecurities or even just talking about them,
Speaker 2: you're helping other people, which is such a big part
Speaker 2: of your work.
Speaker 1: I think, Yeah, like working at as an astrologer and
Speaker 1: you have those interests too. Curious to see what we
Speaker 1: do throughout the course of our life, like even that,
Speaker 1: like our chiron returns when we're fifty like how it
Speaker 1: becomes more relevant even like when you had the eclipses
Speaker 1: happen in Libra, did you notice, like, Okay, I'm having
Speaker 1: to like face this chiron fear front on and like
Speaker 1: get over myself inside.
Speaker 2: I didn't think about that, but I think the first
Speaker 2: and seventh Pous eclipses were such a pivotal point in
Speaker 2: my life, and when I discovered DJing, when I started
Speaker 2: Cosmic Cocktails, and both of those things I was really
Speaker 2: excited by and loved working on behind the scenes, But
Speaker 2: the scary part was putting it out there for people
Speaker 2: to see and critique and.
Speaker 1: Getting over that fear initial fear. I remember when I
Speaker 1: had eclipses to chairon in my first house in Leo,
Speaker 1: and I guess they're coming up again soon, But like
Speaker 1: having to get more comfortable being alone during that time,
Speaker 1: and like that feeling really painful at first, like I
Speaker 1: don't know, difficult dating experiences making me be alone, but
Speaker 1: then ultimately finding astrology and feeling like I'd heal parts
Speaker 1: of myself through that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that makes so much sense.
Speaker 2: I think for me, it was less about spending time
Speaker 2: alone and more about being okay with other people, perceiving
Speaker 2: the true version of me and kind of getting over
Speaker 2: the filters and masks that I'm putting out to make
Speaker 2: other people feel comfortable or like adjusting myself, which is
Speaker 2: very libra. Yeah, to please everyone else.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because we have it in different signs, so yours
Speaker 1: might manifest more and like the how the other people
Speaker 1: type of or mine maybe more with it in Leo
Speaker 1: like self expression, like creativity. And so we also have
Speaker 1: Saturn sitting opposite to Chiron in the seventh house, and
Speaker 1: you're currently at the start of your Saturn return because
Speaker 1: you have Saturn and Ares in your seventh How have
Speaker 1: you I guess I want to talk first about that
Speaker 1: natal placement of Saturn in the seventh and just like
Speaker 1: Saturn in general in the birth chart. Yeah, what have
Speaker 1: you noticed the most with Saturn in your seventh.
Speaker 2: Saturn is such an interesting planet, and I think having
Speaker 2: it on an angle gives it that extra emphasis. Yeah,
Speaker 2: And I think when I think back to how Saturn
Speaker 2: felt in like my chart in my early twenties and
Speaker 2: in like younger college years, dating felt like something that
Speaker 2: was super like hard to access or just something that
Speaker 2: was like riddled with so much anxiety. And then I
Speaker 2: would have a lot of flings or experiences where there
Speaker 2: was a lot of heartache but nothing ever materialized into
Speaker 2: anything solid and committed. So it was frustrating.
Speaker 1: That was literally the same experience for me. I think
Speaker 1: taking it too seriously that's a saturn trade of warmer.
Speaker 1: It's located in everyone else's chart, but like with us
Speaker 1: having it in the relationship sector. It would be like
Speaker 1: I would go on one date with someone and then
Speaker 1: I'd be like, oh, you're still talking to other people,
Speaker 1: Like what, like I thought, No, I'm taking with me
Speaker 1: immediately exactly, yeah, and just kind of having those never
Speaker 1: stepping back to think like is this person right for me,
Speaker 1: but just like oh, this should be serious now because
Speaker 1: we've been on like one date.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I think the it was really tough to even evaluate
Speaker 2: whether I liked the other person. It was the focus
Speaker 2: was much more about like, Okay, do they like me?
Speaker 2: Will we end up in a relationship, which might also
Speaker 2: be our venus placements in the eighth house, which adds
Speaker 2: that level of like intensity, And.
Speaker 1: It's crazy if we get the same approach to relationships.
Speaker 2: And then I think I just like took a step
Speaker 2: back and really for the last few years haven't dated
Speaker 2: much at all, which has been really nice for my
Speaker 2: mental health. But I feel like I've also gone in
Speaker 2: the other extreme where I'm like super avoidant of dating
Speaker 2: and it is something I want, but it now feels
Speaker 2: like maybe even more daunting to dip my toe back
Speaker 2: into that.
Speaker 1: I wonder when Saturn goes retrograde this year, because I
Speaker 1: do feel like when it's recked, when these outer planets
Speaker 1: are just planets in general station retrograde, and that retrograde
Speaker 1: begins in a new house and sign of your chart,
Speaker 1: because it had just in our areas back in February.
Speaker 1: If you start to see like those Seventh House themes,
Speaker 1: like oh, dating is becoming more relevant during that retrograde,
Speaker 1: but maybe it feels like a test or kind of
Speaker 1: frustrating because I was the same as you, like I
Speaker 1: had a Saturn return in the seventh House, and right
Speaker 1: while Saturn was in the sixth House, those like three
Speaker 1: years no dating, what's happen? Didn't talk to anyone, and
Speaker 1: then the second Saturn under the seventh and station retrograde,
Speaker 1: it was like people coming out of like nowhere.
Speaker 2: Okay, so you got to keep us well, that could
Speaker 2: be fun.
Speaker 1: Have you started to see a shift in mindset at
Speaker 1: all towards like that natal Saturn placement.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think we've talked about this. Yeah, but the
Speaker 2: only books I've been reading in the last few months
Speaker 2: since Saturn entered areas in February have been all about
Speaker 2: like relationships, deconstructing relationships or romance.
Speaker 3: And that's super.
Speaker 2: Different than the books that I was reading before that.
Speaker 2: So I like, I'm mentally more interested in just the
Speaker 2: topic of relationships and understanding like breakup psychology behind it,
Speaker 2: and it's just something that I want to read more about.
Speaker 1: So yeah, maybe wanting to better understand Yeah, that's really interesting.
Speaker 1: And then I guess we'll get to this in a second.
Speaker 1: But the ruler of your seventh is Mars in the twelfth,
Speaker 1: so that also makes a different aspect to do it.
Speaker 1: You're a night, no, you're day chart, right, So technically
Speaker 1: Mars would be like the more difficult of the malifics
Speaker 1: out of Mars and Saturn. As we get into Mars, like,
Speaker 1: do you notice I don't know, one of those molific
Speaker 1: planets being more challenging for you. In general, I think.
Speaker 2: Mars transits are just never my favorite wherever it's placed,
Speaker 2: especially Mars retrogrades. I feel like I have a really
Speaker 2: hard time with that period of time where things just
Speaker 2: feel super slowed down, frustrating and just like a slog.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think even though I'm a night chart and
Speaker 1: Mars is supposed to be more beneficial, I think just
Speaker 1: because I've Saturn like in a sign of its domicile
Speaker 1: in my chart, like I have a better relationship with it,
Speaker 1: whereas Mars it's like there's really not a lot of
Speaker 1: strength with that.
Speaker 2: And it's in our twelfth house, which feels so hidden.
Speaker 2: And for me, I think that manifests in feeling really
Speaker 2: conflict avoidant and just the idea of conflict, aggression, anger,
Speaker 2: standing up for myself. All of those things are not
Speaker 2: things that I feel a natural inclination towards.
Speaker 1: Or do you find that by being conflict avoidant though,
Speaker 1: you end up creating conflict, because that's what I think,
Speaker 1: Like people hate that, it's I'm like that, so then
Speaker 1: it creates more at tension.
Speaker 2: Definitely in my earlier twenties, yeah, it was that was
Speaker 2: a theme. I would just like ghost people or ghost
Speaker 2: friends when there was definitely a conversation I should have
Speaker 2: had and maybe we could have moved past things.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I was also going to say, how have you
Speaker 1: noticed Mars with like mental health?
Speaker 2: It's so crucial I think for me, especially coming out
Speaker 2: of like this Sixth House emphasis that we've had. For
Speaker 2: the last few years, mental and physical health have been
Speaker 2: the main focus, and I think a lot of that
Speaker 2: comes with having Mars in Virgo in the twelfth House.
Speaker 2: It's there's such an emphasis around, like my mind and
Speaker 2: mental state needs to feel balanced and clearer in order
Speaker 2: for me to feel like I'm functioning at my best.
Speaker 1: Do you have to be alone a lot? I feel
Speaker 1: like with Mars on the twelfth I get I have
Speaker 1: to be alone.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so much alone time.
Speaker 2: I didn't think of that, but yeah, I need a
Speaker 2: lot of alone time.
Speaker 1: Also with work. Are you I'm just trying to get
Speaker 1: a grasp on Mars in the twelfth House what we
Speaker 1: have in common. Are you someone that works in like
Speaker 1: short bursts or do you have like sustained energy that
Speaker 1: gets you throughout the day.
Speaker 2: I think I have sustained energy, but it has to
Speaker 2: be at like an optimal time, Like I need to
Speaker 2: feel level headed and put the right structures in place
Speaker 2: that make me feel organized and balanced.
Speaker 3: Yeah, especially with Virgo.
Speaker 2: It's so detail oriented that I think having a Gemini
Speaker 2: moon and then Mars and Virgo, I can get overwhelmed
Speaker 2: pretty easily if things aren't in order.
Speaker 1: Okay, because your moon squares Mars, my moon trines Mars.
Speaker 1: But I still notice it is like I don't know,
Speaker 1: emotions come on very strong. Yeah, that placement like very
Speaker 1: easy to get worked up.
Speaker 2: And I think whenever my mind is like overworking, which
Speaker 2: I can overthink a lot, I have a tendency to
Speaker 2: spiral in my own mind. If I let that get
Speaker 2: out of that's when it'll lead to like insomnia and
Speaker 2: more difficult things.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I also want to decipher between like how Mars
Speaker 1: and Saturn can be the most difficult chart placements for people,
Speaker 1: and like how they differ, Like what types of different
Speaker 1: kind of scenarios do they bring up? Like I think
Speaker 1: we touched upon this a bit with Saturn of like
Speaker 1: how river Saturn is in your chart may feel I
Speaker 1: don't know, restricted, or like you take it a little
Speaker 1: bit too seriously and feel held back, like but like
Speaker 1: you're holding yourself back on the most whereas Mars. Again,
Speaker 1: maybe this is because I'm Mars in the twelve thousand,
Speaker 1: it's just like really hard to understand what it's trying
Speaker 1: to teach me.
Speaker 3: No, I agree.
Speaker 2: I think for me, Mars feels like it's trying to
Speaker 2: create structure and order in Virgo, where like when I'm
Speaker 2: focusing on things that are all about like for example,
Speaker 2: in my day job doing ux design and understanding what
Speaker 2: people want and then like breaking it down into systems
Speaker 2: and like consumer drives or flows, That's something that I
Speaker 2: think my Mars and Virgo is actually where it becomes
Speaker 2: the strength.
Speaker 1: Okay, do you think like a MARS placement also shows
Speaker 1: like impatience or like I guess, a tendency to get aggressive.
Speaker 1: I would say like those are the when I think
Speaker 1: of Mars, those might be the more challenges that come up.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's all about your drive and how
Speaker 2: you how you go about conflict and expressing like your
Speaker 2: desire energy aggression in like a healthy way.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So it really depends on like the sign it's yeah
Speaker 2: placed in. Yeah, so you know it's hard with it
Speaker 2: being in the twelve house, You're like, how.
Speaker 1: Do I I know we need more people to weigh
Speaker 1: in on like twelve twelve thousands? Just hard to understand.
Speaker 1: Yeah all, but I'm yeah, because you brought up like
Speaker 1: you've had eclipses and pisces and virgo, you're six and
Speaker 1: twelfth the last two years, and you feel like you've
Speaker 1: gotten more in touch with those with that natal placement.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I think specifically with the twelfth and sixth house emphasis
Speaker 2: health has been such a focus and finding like holistic
Speaker 2: alternatives to health and wellness practices has been something that's
Speaker 2: really helped like calm my mind, calm like health issues
Speaker 2: that have come up in the last few years. And
Speaker 2: that's been I think a lesson of having like also
Speaker 2: my north and south node in those houses.
Speaker 1: Oh you have that, Natalie too? Is north node in
Speaker 1: this in Virgo in the twelve Yeah? Oh my god. Okay, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I feel like this is a question. I get a
Speaker 1: lot like what is the meaning of north node in
Speaker 1: twelve south more than six or reversed? Even do you
Speaker 1: find it's all trying to strike a balance between like
Speaker 1: rest and work and productivity and then mental and physical health.
Speaker 2: It's kind of confusing as rising because everything's in its
Speaker 2: opposite sign so for.
Speaker 1: Me, right, because when I've areas rising technically associated with
Speaker 1: like the first.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So for me, it's kind of about like blending
Speaker 2: both Twelfth and Sixth House themes of like the Twelfth
Speaker 2: House of spirituality the Abyss and the Sixth House of
Speaker 2: like being more rooted in like day to day life
Speaker 2: healthy habits, and I think like blending the two finding
Speaker 2: like holistic practices that really work and support me with
Speaker 2: having those like day to day routines and structures and
Speaker 2: finding order in my day to day life. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I also wonder if like the Twelfth House theme of
Speaker 1: like helping people plays into like work and trust too.
Speaker 1: Maybe we didn't even touch upon this, like how you
Speaker 1: still work a corporate job but you do astrology on
Speaker 1: the side. Like I wonder if that'll be something that
Speaker 1: comes up at a later date of like, oh I
Speaker 1: want to like make this more of my career.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I think the North Node is where you're heading in
Speaker 2: your life's direction, so you're constantly going to find ways
Speaker 2: that are like pulling you towards more Twelve House themes
Speaker 2: for me, And then I think balancing the like corporate
Speaker 2: job with all of these interests is probably attributed to
Speaker 2: my Gemini moon, yeah, and needing constant stimulation and also
Speaker 2: just like my day to day job is very like
Speaker 2: analytical and technical, and I needed with a librevizing and
Speaker 2: Taurus sun venus chart, I needed a way to find
Speaker 2: a creative world to live and play in. So I
Speaker 2: think finding those different outlets has been really supportive for
Speaker 2: my life.
Speaker 1: Your chart is so interesting because we mentioned at the
Speaker 1: start like the huge eighthous symphasis, and then also like
Speaker 1: your north note and your mars in the twelfth house.
Speaker 1: I'm trying to think of like a good question to
Speaker 1: ask around this, but I just feel like people may
Speaker 1: look at a chart and be like, oh my god.
Speaker 2: You have so many bad placements bad places.
Speaker 1: Is that something that felt like, I don't know, you
Speaker 1: were like fixated on when you started learning astrology and
Speaker 1: you're like, oh my god, my chart's awful, and then
Speaker 1: you've come to realize, oh no, this is actually like
Speaker 1: kind of makes sense with my life.
Speaker 2: I think that's a question that a lot of people
Speaker 2: come to me.
Speaker 3: They're like, I have this placement, am I doomed?
Speaker 2: Or this is a really bad placement? But for me,
Speaker 2: I don't know if I looked at it like that
Speaker 2: to begin with, I probably wasn't even aware that they
Speaker 2: were bad placements. I just learned about them in isolation
Speaker 2: to my chart, and the way that I went about
Speaker 2: it was like, these are the challenges that I might face,
Speaker 2: and I'm your chart is really set up in a
Speaker 2: way for.
Speaker 3: You to find the strengths out of that.
Speaker 2: And work it in a in a way where you're
Speaker 2: like working through challenges and then that's how you grow
Speaker 2: and evolve.
Speaker 1: I feel like those difficult charplasons like the Saturdern and
Speaker 1: the seventh chiren in the first moon and Venus in
Speaker 1: the eighth is what like initially drew me and got
Speaker 1: me so obsessed with astrology in the first place, because
Speaker 1: it was like always those parts of my personality I
Speaker 1: couldn't quite put a finger on, but I knew it
Speaker 1: was like different, and then reading about those just like
Speaker 1: even just googling what is Venus in the eight house mean,
Speaker 1: it just like all clicked.
Speaker 2: I think that was probably the same for me. It
Speaker 2: was finally putting words and articulating how I felt in
Speaker 2: certain ways and giving it a reason and meaning behind
Speaker 2: having those difficult experiences like as a kid or growing up.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so we've spent a lot of time talking about
Speaker 1: Mars Saturn in Chirn. I want to touch upon Urinus, Neptune,
Speaker 1: and Pluto too, because if I were to think about, okay,
Speaker 1: what parts of the chart might be more challenging for people,
Speaker 1: those three come to mind. Though they're not as like
Speaker 1: personal to you, it's still is like I think of
Speaker 1: kind of Uranus and Neptune I have there's like conjunct
Speaker 1: in my charts. It's kind of like one same energy
Speaker 1: in the same house, but noticing maybe where things don't
Speaker 1: feel as stable or there's a lot of like deep
Speaker 1: transformation or kind of themes of loss. Specifically with Pluto.
Speaker 1: Do you find where those are placed in your chart
Speaker 1: are harder areas for you?
Speaker 2: Yeah, that that's an interesting question. I think I have
Speaker 2: Pluto in the third house in sad and it's actually
Speaker 2: squaring my moon pretty almost exactly.
Speaker 1: I mean opposite.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, is a square your Mars too?
Speaker 2: The square I think it's at five degrees, so not
Speaker 2: quite squaring Mars, but opposite the moon.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's crazy.
Speaker 2: And growing up third houses, there's so much a an
Speaker 2: emphasis around like neighbors, siblings, your like day to day community.
Speaker 2: And I moved around a lot in my early upbringing,
Speaker 2: so there was just a lot of change, grief, and
Speaker 2: like a lot of movement happening, which is also connected
Speaker 2: to Sagittarius. Yeah, so that could have been a way
Speaker 2: that like a more difficult aspect of that played out.
Speaker 1: Do you feel like Pluto is easier to get older
Speaker 1: because I have a similar thing with Pluto in the
Speaker 1: Fourth House, like family being really difficult as a child,
Speaker 1: and like a lot of like upheaval and hard situations there.
Speaker 1: But now I don't really notice that as an adult.
Speaker 1: Maybe I'm yeah, maybe like I'll have a different opinion
Speaker 1: when I get to reach my Pluto square in a
Speaker 1: few years, But I don't know. I'm wondering if there
Speaker 1: is a pattern of like you get the hard stuff
Speaker 1: with Pluto earlier on.
Speaker 2: I think that makes sense and something I've noticed with
Speaker 2: other librarizing specifically, there's a lot of instability or just
Speaker 2: like upheaval occurring around Third House themes early.
Speaker 1: On with people that are libratising and have Pluto inside. Yes, okay, interesting, but.
Speaker 3: I'm trying to think.
Speaker 2: I think it has definitely gotten easier, and I don't
Speaker 2: think I think about Third House themes as much on
Speaker 2: a day to day basis, being challenging as being challenging.
Speaker 1: What about Juviornus and Neptune in different signs.
Speaker 2: I have Neptune in the fourth house, which Caricorn in Capricorn.
Speaker 2: I think the way that that's manifested is my specifically
Speaker 2: on my mom's side of the family. They're pretty into spirituality,
Speaker 2: and that is something that has been a theme since
Speaker 2: my childhood.
Speaker 1: And like passed down to you because your mom has
Speaker 1: that interest in astrology. How you do that's really interesting, So.
Speaker 2: Maybe that's a way that that's played out. Yeah, and
Speaker 2: then Urinus in the fifth how do you read that?
Speaker 1: That's award one.
Speaker 2: It's almost conjunct Jupiter. So I think Fifth House topics
Speaker 2: of like expressing my creativity and having creative outlets is
Speaker 2: something that's just been really crucial to my happiness, and
Speaker 2: I think that's how I.
Speaker 1: Read that, Yeah, kind of also having maybe more independent
Speaker 1: creative outlets, yeah, or being like really unique in that way.
Speaker 1: I'm trying to think of my own Like having Uranus
Speaker 1: and Neptune in the sixth house, I don't notice it's
Speaker 1: so much as being hard with work, but more so
Speaker 1: like having a hard time following routine and like structure
Speaker 1: like it is really hard for me to wake up
Speaker 1: early and do the same routine every day.
Speaker 2: And you're lucky you're not in a corporate job, so
Speaker 2: you can set your own unique routine that works, which
Speaker 2: is very Erinus.
Speaker 1: Like, this is so interesting and that I was going
Speaker 1: to say that happened in the lead up to my
Speaker 1: Saturn return because I wanted to touch there's something else
Speaker 1: about Saturn and I wanted to talk about for a second.
Speaker 1: But yeah, also with health stuff, I don't like have
Speaker 1: a lot of health issues in general as a person,
Speaker 1: but I do find that when I have something more
Speaker 1: serious with neptune and the sex, it's like hard to
Speaker 1: like diagnose, or it's like something very weird often or
Speaker 1: like no one knows an answer to it.
Speaker 2: I can relate to that with having neptune just lead
Speaker 2: hands at yeah, okay, And that was a period of time,
Speaker 2: depending on where other planets were when they would activate
Speaker 2: that transit neptune, I would have the most confusing illnesses
Speaker 2: come up where no one could really figure it out
Speaker 2: at first, and just a lot of needing to find
Speaker 2: holistic treatments that worked. So, for example, I had jaundice
Speaker 2: a few years ago that was crazy, which was in
Speaker 2: twenty twenty two, and I think at the same time
Speaker 2: Jupiter might have also been.
Speaker 1: It was the Jupiter Neptune conjunction entices, so it.
Speaker 2: Was it was really confusing. For the first two weeks
Speaker 2: we didn't really know what had happened. But this meal
Speaker 2: delivery service that I was using, one if their items
Speaker 2: was contaminated, so I, me and whoever else ordered that
Speaker 2: developed jaundice, which is really rare.
Speaker 1: And this is like a faded illness that you've got. Yeah,
Speaker 1: oh my god. So yeah, that's that also brings up
Speaker 1: an interesting point of like how I guess Pluto, Uranus,
Speaker 1: and Neptune they've all changed signs in a huge way
Speaker 1: very recently, and like Neptune now with aries, I wonder
Speaker 1: if you'll get kind of that sometimes confusing element or
Speaker 1: like do I need to set better structure here now
Speaker 1: in your seventh house and like seeing how it's just
Speaker 1: affecting that one area for a little bit of time.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we'll see.
Speaker 2: I think also with Neptune, it was squaring my mid
Speaker 2: heaven and then ascendant angle. So Neptune transits trigger a
Speaker 2: lot of just confusion in your.
Speaker 3: Life path in general. Yeah, it's what I've noticed from that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've noticed that too. I'll happen on my mid
Speaker 1: heaven when it goes to Taurus. I'm a little worried
Speaker 1: about what happens to career at that point, but I
Speaker 1: had it, I guess. Most recently, the major aspect I
Speaker 1: made was Neptune conjung Venus, my mid heaven ruler, and
Speaker 1: I just do remember at that time, Okay, what am
Speaker 1: I supposed to be doing with career or feeling like frustrated,
Speaker 1: kind of like what's the long term picture here?
Speaker 2: And with Neptune, you're wanting to chart a new, dreamier,
Speaker 2: more idealistic vision for wherever it's hitting.
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. And then with Urinus, to contrast, that's more
Speaker 1: about I sen like I associate Uranus not in a
Speaker 1: super negative way, more like eye opening new experiences or
Speaker 1: like wanting greater freedom in that part of your life.
Speaker 3: I think I agree.
Speaker 2: Uranus to me feels a lot more like a creative
Speaker 2: breakthrough or something that shakes the foundation of where you're
Speaker 2: standing in a way that opens up a new path
Speaker 2: that's more independent, more innovative, and it breaks you out
Speaker 2: of the whatever it was boring.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I would take a Urinus transit over a
Speaker 1: Neptune any day.
Speaker 3: Same.
Speaker 1: Have you had a big Pluto transit happen in your
Speaker 1: adult life, because I'm currently having Pluto. It's stationed retrograde,
Speaker 1: like almost on my son, and I am noticing it's
Speaker 1: more subtle. It's kind of like I'm tapping into a
Speaker 1: bigger like personal power or like self confidence. So I'm
Speaker 1: not experiencing Pluto in a negative way more so like
Speaker 1: why have I never figured this out about myself before? Now?
Speaker 3: Like that's so interesting.
Speaker 2: I feel like the Aquarius suns, it's going to be
Speaker 2: really important to look at what they're working on and
Speaker 2: what they're putting out in the world because with that
Speaker 2: Pluto transforming the they're like underlying goals and identity.
Speaker 3: It'll be interesting. It's almost the attention.
Speaker 1: To peeling back and me like, this is who you
Speaker 1: really are? Ye lean into that.
Speaker 3: I love that. That's really exciting.
Speaker 1: I speak to me in a couple of years, maybe
Speaker 1: something really dramatic and awful does happen later a Pluto transit,
Speaker 1: but so far it has been like empowering and I
Speaker 1: feel better.
Speaker 3: Wait, that's really hopeful.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know if I've had a big Pluto transit.
Speaker 2: Right now, it's transitting through the fifth and is close
Speaker 2: to trying my ascendant, but I think it's already past
Speaker 2: that point.
Speaker 1: I guess your last major one would have been Pluto
Speaker 1: square or ascendant, but that would have been like because
Speaker 1: you have such an early libor rising. Maybe that was
Speaker 1: like two thousand and nine, twenty ten. That's a while ago.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm not sure. I was in middle school.
Speaker 1: You'll have to think on that. See if you went
Speaker 1: through a personal people or like something.
Speaker 3: Probably.
Speaker 1: Yeah. You also mentioned how you don't love Mars retrograde
Speaker 1: because we have that coming up. I guess we're in
Speaker 1: like almost June. Now, when was that Mars? That's January tenth,
Speaker 1: so seven six seven months from now. What challenges do
Speaker 1: you find surface with Mars retrogrades?
Speaker 2: With Mars, the motivation and will to act and do
Speaker 2: anything is so much harder for me. I think it
Speaker 2: also relates back to that Mars and the twelfth, where
Speaker 2: this is already something that's something that's confusing to grasp,
Speaker 2: and then when it's emphasized through a retrograde, that energy
Speaker 2: just feels a lot.
Speaker 3: More daunting and frustrating slow.
Speaker 2: Those are the themes that I notice in general.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I notice it's hard to pinpoint where to direct
Speaker 1: your energy. Like there's often a lot of ideas that
Speaker 1: surface in whatever house it's about to station retrograde in
Speaker 1: right before the retrograde starts. But then it's like something
Speaker 1: about this doesn't feel totally right, and you kind of
Speaker 1: spend the rest of the retrograde being like how do
Speaker 1: I get this right? Like how does it feel? There's
Speaker 1: still aligned.
Speaker 2: They restructuring that needs to go on through, and conflicts
Speaker 2: will arise through the retrograde that you're so frustrated.
Speaker 3: And annoyed by.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but you are kind of expecting it because you
Speaker 2: know that this area needed to be reworked in some way.
Speaker 2: A really interesting example I was thinking of with Mars
Speaker 2: retrograde is the last Mars retrograde was in Cancer.
Speaker 1: In Yeah, Leo to Cancer twenty twenty four. He had
Speaker 1: started the very last month of twenty twenty four. I
Speaker 1: believe it started early December of twenty twenty four, and
Speaker 1: then it I think so lasted until late February of
Speaker 1: twenty twenty five.
Speaker 2: What was interesting I was looking at Kendrick Lamar's chart
Speaker 2: librerising and his natal cancer Mars placement in his tenth.
Speaker 2: In his tenth was it was hitting that chart placement
Speaker 2: and that was aligned with his like super Bowl performance, his.
Speaker 3: Conflict with Drake and all of that.
Speaker 1: But a lot more public attention.
Speaker 2: So much public attention, and I think he actually found
Speaker 2: a way to harness his natural Mars in the tenth
Speaker 2: in a productive way that like put him in this
Speaker 2: big spotlight.
Speaker 1: Even though like retrograde can be like can make things
Speaker 1: feel slow down and frustrating, it does cause a lot
Speaker 1: to happen in that house of your chart, Like more
Speaker 1: is going on there naturally. Even in like the year
Speaker 1: leading up to the retrograde happening, You're seeing this stage
Speaker 1: set for like what's to occur. Like I'm thinking back,
Speaker 1: what's one I just remember, like having Mars retrograde in
Speaker 1: aries in twenty twenty, that was September to November of
Speaker 1: twenty twenty, and that was my ninth house. And like
Speaker 1: even before that retrograde started, it was like I was
Speaker 1: obsessed with learning about like spirituality and like going deeper
Speaker 1: with astrology and like psychic abilities and all of this stuff.
Speaker 1: It was just a theme for the year, and it
Speaker 1: just got more and more concentrated when that retrograde began.
Speaker 3: That's so true.
Speaker 1: That was.
Speaker 2: I feel like Mars, there's so much emphasis prior to
Speaker 2: the retrograde and then also after because you're restructuring whatever
Speaker 2: it's worked through, and a lot of times there will
Speaker 2: be relationships or things that get it ended or cut
Speaker 2: off during that retrograde in twenty twenty. For me, was
Speaker 2: the last time, I think right during that Mars retrograde
Speaker 2: was when I ended this year long situationship that I
Speaker 2: was in and that was.
Speaker 1: A seventh house. Interesting, yeah, I had a seventh house
Speaker 1: Mars retrograde when it was in Aquarius in twenty eighteen.
Speaker 1: That was Aquarius Capricorn Mars retrograde summer of twenty eighteen.
Speaker 1: And this guy that I had been involved with since
Speaker 1: college kept coming back post grad so many times. That
Speaker 1: was the final time that was You're done.
Speaker 2: The same For me, it was a cycle repeating, constantly
Speaker 2: thinking about relationships, and then finally during the Mars retrograde,
Speaker 2: it was over for good.
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, so do you already because the next one
Speaker 1: coming up January tenth to April first of twenty twenty
Speaker 1: seven that will start in Virgo your twelfth and end
Speaker 1: in Leo your eleventh. Are you already seen twelveth Eleventh
Speaker 1: House themes like just the closer we get to that
Speaker 1: starting be more. I don't know even if they're not
Speaker 1: frustrating yet because the record still hasn't started, just a
Speaker 1: greater emphasis on them.
Speaker 2: I think there is definitely an eleventh House emphasis that
Speaker 2: I feel coming into play, which also relates.
Speaker 1: To Jupiter, the South Node and the South.
Speaker 2: Node moving there. It just seems like eleventh House and
Speaker 2: my connections people that I'm around are becoming more important.
Speaker 2: So hopefully that yeah, doesn't cause too much conflict.
Speaker 1: But I loved Mars Retrogad in the eleventh House, Okay,
Speaker 1: I had that when it was Jemini in twenty twenty two.
Speaker 1: I felt like more people were supportive. It was a
Speaker 1: great time for building an audience for my business, Like
Speaker 1: it just came so much easily, came so much more easily,
Speaker 1: especially once the retrograde was in effect.
Speaker 3: Okay, that's hopeful.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's one of the more positive ones. I would
Speaker 1: say it's an eleventh House, but it could bring up
Speaker 1: ten and with friends.
Speaker 3: And then twelve it's gonna I think I didn't love.
Speaker 2: I think I'm just gonna want to be alone.
Speaker 1: Yeah, or a huge emphasis on wellness, which you've already
Speaker 1: experienced what the eclipses there, But I with a twelve
Speaker 1: house retrograd, it was like the first time in my
Speaker 1: life I had worked out like in the morning, like
Speaker 1: every day, Like I've never done that.
Speaker 2: And I'm not doing that right now, so maybe I'll start.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I have the retrograde will start in my
Speaker 1: second house and go back to my first, And I
Speaker 1: already see the themes being set up of like, Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm going through this huge first house life change. I'm
Speaker 1: becoming a mom ahead of that retrograde starting. How does
Speaker 1: that change my business and how I make money and
Speaker 1: what I prioritize in my business? And I feel like
Speaker 1: I'll spend a ton of that retrograde reflecting on it,
Speaker 1: and then once it ends in April, it'll be like
Speaker 1: this is what we're doing with work now?
Speaker 2: Yeah, and with Mars, it's probably going to be about
Speaker 2: where should I direct my energy in a way that's
Speaker 2: most productive and intentional because I have a baby.
Speaker 1: Too, Yeah, exactly, like I'm already thinking about that even
Speaker 1: though the retrogad is so far away still that's interesting.
Speaker 1: One other thing, with the difficult planets Saturn, Mars, Chiron,
Speaker 1: all this stuff we've been talking about, I wanted to
Speaker 1: go over like how not only the Saturn natal placement
Speaker 1: in your charts, so like for you you have Saturn
Speaker 1: and Ares, but also the house is ruled by Saturn,
Speaker 1: So your fourth house is ruled by Capricorn, your fifth
Speaker 1: house is ruled by Aquarius, both associated with Saturn. Do
Speaker 1: you see those getting that same influence that your seventh
Speaker 1: house has or is a bit easier.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I think with the fourth house, the idea of home
Speaker 2: and family. Family was constantly changing. We were moving a
Speaker 2: lot growing up, so it was hard to have like
Speaker 2: a steady foundation of just where we were living our
Speaker 2: physical home.
Speaker 1: That could also be the Neptune in the fourth house.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that also makes sense.
Speaker 2: And then with the fifth house, I think with my
Speaker 2: creative projects and endeavors, that's always been something I've been
Speaker 2: super drawn to and super interested in the arts, but
Speaker 2: there was also this perfectionist tendency of taking it very seriously,
Speaker 2: not wanting to show anyone what I've created because I'm
Speaker 2: so hyper critical and taking it super seriously.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like everything has to be perfectly done before I
Speaker 1: put it out there, but then you don't end up
Speaker 1: putting anything out because it's not very perfect enough exactly.
Speaker 1: I wonder if, like during your Saturn return, those the
Speaker 1: topic of maybe moving in her home and family gets addressed,
Speaker 1: or I don't know, gaining more confidence and creative stuff.
Speaker 3: Yeah, what about you? How have you noticed Saturn.
Speaker 1: Because Saturn already is in one of the signs of
Speaker 1: rules seventh Aquarius for me. But I did notice a
Speaker 1: lot of Six House themes come up during my return
Speaker 1: because that's a ruled by Capricorn. Health hadn't. I'm someone
Speaker 1: that just never took care of my body in my
Speaker 1: early twenties, like eats whatever, doesn't really work out. That
Speaker 1: all had to change at the Saturn return because I
Speaker 1: had like health problems come up and I was just like, oh,
Speaker 1: it actually is cool to exercise and like take care
Speaker 1: of myself. I wouldn't. I don't notice the Saturn so
Speaker 1: much with works the Six House like negative work stuff,
Speaker 1: I don't notice it as much. I would say, maybe
Speaker 1: like figuring out what work is worth my time and
Speaker 1: energy was a big Saturn return theme.
Speaker 3: That makes so much sense.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and like, how was I over extending myself and
Speaker 1: doing too much work for other people instead of like
Speaker 1: what I actually care about?
Speaker 2: Wow, that's so cool.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but yeah, the I just wanted to call that
Speaker 1: out because it's like, not only the Saturn placement is
Speaker 1: important at a Saturn return, but also the two houses ruled
Speaker 1: by Saturn.
Speaker 2: And I I definitely feel that emphasis coming in where
Speaker 2: I'm thinking about what I want in like a long
Speaker 2: term home, and also trying to be less of a
Speaker 2: perfectionist with creative projects and putting things out there before
Speaker 2: it feels like it's fully ready.
Speaker 1: It'll be cool to check back in with you in
Speaker 1: twenty twenty eight, be like what's changed, hopefully. I wanted
Speaker 1: to end by talking about what are just some other
Speaker 1: Are there any Is there anything we haven't touched upon
Speaker 1: that's like a challenging transit that we could talk through.
Speaker 1: I'm trying to think, hmm, maybe.
Speaker 2: It's top of mind because Saturn just moved through my
Speaker 2: sixth house, but we've already talked a lot about sixth.
Speaker 1: House, six and twelfth transits in general. Yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: twelfth the hardest thing I noticed is like falling outs
Speaker 1: with people, or like things ending or things like not
Speaker 1: I don't know, being forced to slow down again my
Speaker 1: will I can.
Speaker 2: Relate to that with the nodes being in the twelfth.
Speaker 1: Yeah, what do you find more difficult twelfth House transit,
Speaker 1: eighth House or fourth House?
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, such a good questions, is the question.
Speaker 2: I would say not eighth because maybe and maybe that's
Speaker 2: tied to Venus and the sun being there.
Speaker 3: But eighth House feels more.
Speaker 2: Comfortable and like a natural place for me to be.
Speaker 2: What I find really challenging is twelfth House and fourth
Speaker 2: because both of those feel like I'm going very internal
Speaker 2: and spending a lot of time alone. Twelfth I think
Speaker 2: I can have a tendency to spiral and really like overthink.
Speaker 2: And then Fourth it just feels like nothing is really
Speaker 2: happening when I want to be out or doing things. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but it feels a lot slower.
Speaker 1: My fourth is ruled by Scorpio, and I do notice
Speaker 1: that's the period of the year I dislike the most.
Speaker 1: It's like I just hate that internal slow period of
Speaker 1: the year. Whereas I could say the same about cancer
Speaker 1: season because it's my twelve. I don't know, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: have to go with twelfth is my least favorite though,
Speaker 1: just because it's like you're not as a Leo Rising.
Speaker 1: I don't like not being seen, Like you're literally hidden
Speaker 1: with transits through the twelfth and it's if you the
Speaker 1: harder you try, it's like nothing. Yeah, you could put
Speaker 1: so much stuff out there and try to get so
Speaker 1: much going and it's just not going to pay.
Speaker 2: You just have to wait until it enters the first.
Speaker 1: It's like a lesson in patience.
Speaker 3: Yeah, totally, so.
Speaker 1: Those are I would say those are trickier houses for
Speaker 1: stuff to go through. Also, Yeah, one thing I did
Speaker 1: want to bring up is like transits that might be overhyped,
Speaker 1: So like what are transits You're like, oh, I expected
Speaker 1: this to go so well, but nothing really happened.
Speaker 2: The one that comes to mind is Jupiter. Jupiter puts
Speaker 2: so much emphasis where you're thinking about whatever house sits in,
Speaker 2: but it doesn't really like materialize into anything per se.
Speaker 1: It has to be back to wait.
Speaker 2: For other planets to enter and meet Jupiter or it's
Speaker 2: just this like cloud of anticipation and waiting for things
Speaker 2: to happen there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like you've had Jupiter in your tenth house, and
Speaker 1: it's kind of been like, Okay, when are things really
Speaker 1: gonna grow more? What's your career? That I felt the
Speaker 1: same way with Jupiter in my tenth It was like
Speaker 1: something I looked forward to so much and then it
Speaker 1: felt almost just too overwhelming with work, but not in
Speaker 1: a good way totally.
Speaker 2: I think Jupiter almost puts too much energy into something,
Speaker 2: but it doesn't really like ground it in anything.
Speaker 1: So it's interesting.
Speaker 2: There's this energy overload where you're spending a lot of
Speaker 2: timeocusing on wherever it's in your chart, but it doesn't
Speaker 2: always materialize, and sometimes it's just there to give you
Speaker 2: a new perspective. I have an example if one of
Speaker 2: my friends is a Cabricorn rising and she just went
Speaker 2: through this relationship with Jupiter and her in her seventh house. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and then it didn't end up materializing into something serious,
Speaker 2: which she was.
Speaker 3: Really hoping for.
Speaker 2: Interesting, and I think that's so typical of Jupiter. It
Speaker 2: like introduced her to someone she wouldn't normally date and
Speaker 2: she ended up really clicking with them, but then it
Speaker 2: just ended up fizzling.
Speaker 1: I think like there has to be Saturn there for
Speaker 1: there to be like firm commitment with something. I think so,
Speaker 1: which is why I like Saturn more as even though
Speaker 1: it's really hard in the moment, like it actually stuff
Speaker 1: gets done with Saturn.
Speaker 2: That I think I agree with that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, is there a favorite Saturn or Jupiter transit you have?
Speaker 2: I now, looking back, Saturn moving through my fifth house
Speaker 2: in the moment felt really difficult, and it was also
Speaker 2: at the same time as COVID, I was going through
Speaker 2: a lot of lessons in romance dating and also spending
Speaker 2: so much time water coloring every day, which felt very Saturn,
Speaker 2: like you have to do this every day.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but looking back, I think a lot of that
Speaker 2: was really helpful and taught me so many valuable lessons
Speaker 2: in all of those areas.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Saturn through the fifth was fun for me too.
Speaker 1: I was like, this is how I don't know, I
Speaker 1: had so much fun, like blogging because this was back
Speaker 1: in like twenty fifteen, like different era on social media,
Speaker 1: like finding my creative voice. I also love Saturn in
Speaker 1: the seventh, so I wonder how you'll feel at the
Speaker 1: end of that. I've liked the seventh a lot more
Speaker 1: than Saturn in the eighth or the sixth.
Speaker 2: That makes sense I think so far I like it
Speaker 2: better than Saturn in the sixth, but we'll see how
Speaker 2: my Saturn plays out.
Speaker 1: And my favorite Jupiter trans is Jupiter in the ninth
Speaker 1: and Jupiter in the fifth.
Speaker 2: Jupiter in the ninth is when I began DJing and
Speaker 2: cosmic cocktails at the same time.
Speaker 1: It's such a fun trend.
Speaker 3: It went over my moon okay ninth.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like expansive, like you're excited to learn, ye spirament.
Speaker 1: Oh I love that. Well, we could go on forever,
Speaker 1: like talking about random stuff, but this has been such
Speaker 1: a nice chat. Thank you for coming on vaccine.
Speaker 3: Thank you so much for having me. It's been so
Speaker 3: special to be on.
Speaker 1: Where can people find you, book your services everything?
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I'm on Instagram as just Maxine Twig and
Speaker 2: they can find me there.
Speaker 3: And I have a.
Speaker 1: Website Cosmic Cocktails or what your readings are called. Yeah, love, Okay,
Speaker 1: thank you, Thank you so much. As send some way