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Speaker 1: Welcome back to another episode of Astrology with Alice. I'm

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here with my good friend and fellow astrologer, Maxine Twig.

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Welcome to the podcast.

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much. It's so crazy being here. It's

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such a like pinch me moment.

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Speaker 1: Oh, Like for so forever that doesn't know what is

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your sun moon and rising?

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Speaker 2: Okay, so I'm a Libra rising Tauris's sun and Gemini moon.

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Speaker 1: Also, where is your chart ruler? That's another question I've

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been liking to ask.

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Speaker 2: So my chart ruler is Venus and it's in Taurus

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in the eighth house, So okay, at home.

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Speaker 1: So you have that's a great placement to have, like

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chart ruler and the sign it rules. But you have

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your son and your chart ruler in the eighth Yes,

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what is that? Like? I know that's like a loaded question.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel like there's been such an eighth House

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emphasis throughout my life, Like I've always been naturally drawn

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to psychology and understanding people better. So I think it

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really plays out like in my day to day job

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a Fux design, and then also with astrology, it's all

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about like understanding people.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, before I met up with you today, I was

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thinking I was like, Oh, I actually didn't realize she's

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that much emphasis on her eighth house, and I was

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thinking how it would play out maybe in the long

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term for you. And I feel like when Saturn goes

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into Taurus, your eighth like you could create I don't know,

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it's just such an entrepreneurial placement, like a lot of

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eighth house emphasis. Yeah, that's true, creating something of your

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own maybe in the near future.

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Speaker 2: And you also have eighth house emphasis right, yeah.

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Speaker 1: Moon and Venus. We both have Venus there. Oh, yeah,

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we have. This is what our episode is about today,

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how we share like very very similar chart placements. But

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before we get into that, just wanted to talk about

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like how we know each other. I feel like we've

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gotten closer over like a longer period of time, Like

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when did we first start talking, Like twenty twenty.

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Speaker 3: Two, probably, I think.

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Speaker 2: I mean I started out as such a super fan

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of yours, and we got introduced by our really good

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friend Daniella, who does my brand designer amazing design. She

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does yours too, right, No, I've kind of been doing

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mine on my own, but yeah, we just started out

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as friends through through that.

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Speaker 1: And I feel like we connected because we share similar

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like pop culture interests with astrology. Like I remember I

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posted about like the Glossier, not memoir, but like mcmurpheet

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about Emily Wise, and I was like talking about the

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astrology and you were so into it and it's just

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like fun to talk about I don't know, like reality

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TV and all of that stuff, And.

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Speaker 2: Maybe that's also our ape house. We're like really trying

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to understand the psychology of the way people are acting

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and the patterns, and reality TV is such a good

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way to do that. I feel like we also talked

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about Love Island at some.

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Speaker 1: Point, Yeah, yeah, And I was also going to say,

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like understanding why someone got to where they are is

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an eighth house thing, like just digging deeper. I want

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to go back to, like how you first got into astrology.

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When did this become an interest of yours.

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Speaker 2: It's crazy because I think I've been studying it quietly,

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like on my own pretty much my whole life.

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Speaker 1: Like even in like middle school, high school.

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Speaker 3: In high school.

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Speaker 2: It probably started as like very basic pop culture level

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of understanding. And in my family, my mom is also

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super into like vedaic astrology, so I had kind of

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an introduction through that and then started doing chart readings

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pretty casually for my friends throughout like my early twenties,

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and it was always something that I was trying to

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learn more about and practice at a little bit deeper.

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And then probably in like twenty twenty four, when the

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notes were hitting my first in seventh house.

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Speaker 1: Okay yeah, and there raised lebru Lipitter.

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Speaker 2: Moved into my ninth house in Gemini. It was like

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this creative burst of wanting to turn my interests with

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like music and also astrology into something that was for

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other people and sharing it. So that was kind of

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how Cosmic Cocktails was born.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, because you were you have like a lot of

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different interests that you blend with astrology, Like you're a

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dj is that's a hobby, that's a side business basically

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at this point. And then you also, i don't know,

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kind of going along with like party life djying is

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like cosmic cocktails, like how you're also interested in like

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using astrology to make mixed drinks and stuff like that.

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But then that's also what you call your readings is

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cosmic cosmic costs. Yeah, So I love this branding.

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Speaker 2: It's it's a lot of emphasis on So in twenty

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twenty four. I was going out a lot and partying

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a lot and felt really creatively inspired by that whole

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scene and the people I was meeting and the music

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that I was listening to, And it kind of came

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as a way of like exploring that in a more

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creative way and sharing it with people that were interested

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in astrology and kind of found a way to like

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practice my readings through that like fun, lighthearted lens of

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like blending it with the nightlife.

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Speaker 1: And you were also making like mixes like music. I

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don't know the right terminology for this mix playlists on

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Spotify based on like what zodiac season it is.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so I found DJing at the same time. It

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was very Gemini Moon of me to be like, I

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want to explore these two things at the same time

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and blended it.

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Speaker 3: So I was making for each.

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Speaker 2: Zodiac season a set on SoundCloud for each zodiac sign,

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so so cool.

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Speaker 3: It was really fun.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I like how you blend all these different interests

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together and you have like a cancer midhuff right, So

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the ruler of your mid heaven is that Moon and Gemini,

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which speaks to like, yeah, you have so many different

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I don't know.

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Speaker 2: Whenever people make constant stimulation or I'm going to get bored,

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and yeah, a lot of variety.

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Speaker 1: Exactly. Oh my god. Lo, so when did you in

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twenty twenty four? Was that when you were like, Okay,

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maybe I should start charging people to give them readings,

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like taking it more seriously in that way.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'd done so many of your courses and then

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just studied astrology for years. That also, two of my

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roommates were also Libra risings, so practicing on the three

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of us was something that really helped me develop my

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astrology practice. And then just like reading for friends of friends,

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it started to evolve kind of naturally where people were like,

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this is really valuable, you should charge for this.

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Speaker 1: That's kind of how it was with me. It was

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just like an interest that evolved, like in a supernatural way.

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I was going to say, with the two roommates that

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are also Libra risings, where you guys all noticing similar

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things happening, Yeah, because you have the same house as activated.

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Speaker 2: I think you probably can relate to this because you're

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our friend Daniella is.

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Speaker 3: Also a Leo rising.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so it's like whenever a transit is occurring, you're

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feeling the emotions in a very similar way. It might

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be playing out in different situations, but the underlying tone

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and emotions are so similar.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and I guess because we're also we.

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Speaker 2: Have a really similar chart setup because we're all ninety

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seven ninety six.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, it's all the saturn and areas though interesting. Yeah,

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I love that connecting with people who have the same

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rising because even though it's not the same exact circumstance,

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like you were saying, like, very similar feelings at the

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same time.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's so valuable to listen and learn from

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someone who's going through something similar.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, as you've gotten more practice giving astrology readings, niching

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down into like what specific areas you want to go into,

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what's like an I don't know what topics would astrology

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have interested you the most, or like what if you

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wanted to go further.

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Speaker 3: With I think off the top of my head.

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Speaker 2: I love solo returns, and that's always a technique I'll

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bring in, like with a transit chart and then lunar

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return charts as well.

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Speaker 1: So timing, Yeah, different timing.

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Speaker 2: Techniques are super interesting and valuable, and I think people

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generally are coming to me in a period of transition

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or needing some guidance on like the direction that they

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should focus their energy. And so something that I really

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enjoy is like you have this happening in your sixth house,

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Like you should pay attention to that, and this is

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where you're going to get like fruitful results in the

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next few months.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's we have some interests in that way too,

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always trying to help people through like what's coming up

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and what they're currently experiencing. Yeah, I want to pivot

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and talk about how we have, Like I guess the

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main bulk of our conversation is like difficult chart placements

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and how we've dealt with those throughout our lives. We

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share this placement of like Mars, Chiron, and Saturn, even

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though we have different rising signs, all of these fallen

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different signs. We both have Mars in the twelfth house,

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we both have Saturn in the seventh house, and we

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both have Chiron in our first How close is Chiron

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to your ascendant?

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Speaker 3: It's not that close.

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Speaker 2: It's my ascendants three degrees and Chiron's twenty seven.

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Speaker 1: Okay, I mean still though, but it's still in the

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Promised House. Yeah, And do you have anything else in

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Libra or that's like, that's it, so that's the pet

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or the asteroid that's like rising. Yeah, same for me.

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in the first House, I guess I wanted to give like,

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I don't know how we have the same placement, but

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how it may have manifested differently for each of us,

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and also maybe what Chiron transits look like for people

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what I you, I don't know, what are the challenges

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you associated with that chart placement.

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Speaker 2: I think Chiron specifically is such an internal planet or asteroid,

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and for me it really manifested and like as a

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child and into early adulthood, having a lot of insecurities

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about the way that I'm perceived by others, and yeah,

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feeling super shy growing up, not wanting to talk, not

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wanting to That's how it was visible, which is so

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interesting in Leo, which is the total opposite of that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like I want it, but also just like

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having in the first house, it's like wanting to be

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seen but then being afraid of being Yes, Like that's interesting.

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You brought up the being shy in school because I

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would not or raise my hand in class because I

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didn't want to draw attention to myself. Same like I

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would get in trouble. I would get a worst grade

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just because I refused to raise my hand.

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Speaker 2: Participation was always like vaccine needs to talk more.

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Speaker 3: We want to hear what she's saying. Oh my god.

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Speaker 2: Another interesting thing I wonder if you've experienced this, but

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growing up, I also looked so much younger at every

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single age I at like sixteen. That was really not

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a fun experience to have when you look like five

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years Like this.

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Speaker 1: Is crazy that you're saying this exact same thing. Because

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I just recorded and put out an episode on KIRN

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and I was talking about my experience with it in

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the first house, and one of the things I said

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was like being insecure because I always look younger exactly,

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like guys should think you're hot, like no, that was never,

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like teenage or preteen years, like those feelings stick with you.

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Speaker 3: I do you still looking?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's still like those feelings of not I don't

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Speaker 2: I think it carries to feeling like you're behind or

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feeling less mature than the people around you, which I

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don't think is true for you.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, No, I get that sometimes.

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Speaker 2: That's like an internal thought that I think comes up

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Speaker 1: It's interesting how we both as well, like as we've

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gotten older, we chosen to put ourselves out there more

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on the internet, like through social media, meet through this podcast,

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like things like that. So it's really kind of learning

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how to conquer the fears of chiron. Like if I

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don't know, if like seventh grade me saw me talking

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in a public setting maybe like what the same?

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Speaker 2: No, literally, I think it's also interesting because chiron is

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the point of where you can have greater healing for.

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Speaker 3: The collective or people.

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Speaker 2: So by overcoming those insecurities or even just talking about them,

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you're helping other people, which is such a big part

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of your work.

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Speaker 1: I think, Yeah, like working at as an astrologer and

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you have those interests too. Curious to see what we

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do throughout the course of our life, like even that,

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like our chiron returns when we're fifty like how it

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becomes more relevant even like when you had the eclipses

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happen in Libra, did you notice, like, Okay, I'm having

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to like face this chiron fear front on and like

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get over myself inside.

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Speaker 2: I didn't think about that, but I think the first

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and seventh Pous eclipses were such a pivotal point in

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my life, and when I discovered DJing, when I started

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Cosmic Cocktails, and both of those things I was really

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excited by and loved working on behind the scenes, But

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the scary part was putting it out there for people

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to see and critique and.

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Speaker 1: Getting over that fear initial fear. I remember when I

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had eclipses to chairon in my first house in Leo,

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and I guess they're coming up again soon, But like

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having to get more comfortable being alone during that time,

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and like that feeling really painful at first, like I

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don't know, difficult dating experiences making me be alone, but

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then ultimately finding astrology and feeling like I'd heal parts

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of myself through that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that makes so much sense.

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Speaker 2: I think for me, it was less about spending time

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alone and more about being okay with other people, perceiving

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the true version of me and kind of getting over

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the filters and masks that I'm putting out to make

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other people feel comfortable or like adjusting myself, which is

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very libra. Yeah, to please everyone else.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, because we have it in different signs, so yours

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might manifest more and like the how the other people

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type of or mine maybe more with it in Leo

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like self expression, like creativity. And so we also have

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Saturn sitting opposite to Chiron in the seventh house, and

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you're currently at the start of your Saturn return because

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you have Saturn and Ares in your seventh How have

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you I guess I want to talk first about that

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natal placement of Saturn in the seventh and just like

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Saturn in general in the birth chart. Yeah, what have

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you noticed the most with Saturn in your seventh.

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Speaker 2: Saturn is such an interesting planet, and I think having

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it on an angle gives it that extra emphasis. Yeah,

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And I think when I think back to how Saturn

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felt in like my chart in my early twenties and

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in like younger college years, dating felt like something that

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was super like hard to access or just something that

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was like riddled with so much anxiety. And then I

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would have a lot of flings or experiences where there

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was a lot of heartache but nothing ever materialized into

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anything solid and committed. So it was frustrating.

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Speaker 1: That was literally the same experience for me. I think

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taking it too seriously that's a saturn trade of warmer.

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It's located in everyone else's chart, but like with us

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having it in the relationship sector. It would be like

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I would go on one date with someone and then

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I'd be like, oh, you're still talking to other people,

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Like what, like I thought, No, I'm taking with me

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immediately exactly, yeah, and just kind of having those never

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stepping back to think like is this person right for me,

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but just like oh, this should be serious now because

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we've been on like one date.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I think the it was really tough to even evaluate

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whether I liked the other person. It was the focus

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was much more about like, Okay, do they like me?

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Will we end up in a relationship, which might also

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be our venus placements in the eighth house, which adds

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that level of like intensity, And.

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Speaker 1: It's crazy if we get the same approach to relationships.

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Speaker 2: And then I think I just like took a step

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back and really for the last few years haven't dated

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much at all, which has been really nice for my

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mental health. But I feel like I've also gone in

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the other extreme where I'm like super avoidant of dating

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and it is something I want, but it now feels

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like maybe even more daunting to dip my toe back

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into that.

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Speaker 1: I wonder when Saturn goes retrograde this year, because I

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do feel like when it's recked, when these outer planets

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are just planets in general station retrograde, and that retrograde

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begins in a new house and sign of your chart,

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because it had just in our areas back in February.

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If you start to see like those Seventh House themes,

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like oh, dating is becoming more relevant during that retrograde,

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but maybe it feels like a test or kind of

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frustrating because I was the same as you, like I

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had a Saturn return in the seventh House, and right

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while Saturn was in the sixth House, those like three

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years no dating, what's happen? Didn't talk to anyone, and

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then the second Saturn under the seventh and station retrograde,

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it was like people coming out of like nowhere.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so you got to keep us well, that could

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be fun.

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Speaker 1: Have you started to see a shift in mindset at

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all towards like that natal Saturn placement.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think we've talked about this. Yeah, but the

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only books I've been reading in the last few months

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since Saturn entered areas in February have been all about

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like relationships, deconstructing relationships or romance.

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Speaker 3: And that's super.

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Speaker 2: Different than the books that I was reading before that.

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So I like, I'm mentally more interested in just the

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topic of relationships and understanding like breakup psychology behind it,

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and it's just something that I want to read more about.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, maybe wanting to better understand Yeah, that's really interesting.

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And then I guess we'll get to this in a second.

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But the ruler of your seventh is Mars in the twelfth,

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so that also makes a different aspect to do it.

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You're a night, no, you're day chart, right, So technically

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Mars would be like the more difficult of the malifics

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out of Mars and Saturn. As we get into Mars, like,

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do you notice I don't know, one of those molific

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planets being more challenging for you. In general, I think.

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Speaker 2: Mars transits are just never my favorite wherever it's placed,

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especially Mars retrogrades. I feel like I have a really

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hard time with that period of time where things just

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feel super slowed down, frustrating and just like a slog.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think even though I'm a night chart and

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Mars is supposed to be more beneficial, I think just

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because I've Saturn like in a sign of its domicile

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in my chart, like I have a better relationship with it,

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whereas Mars it's like there's really not a lot of

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strength with that.

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Speaker 2: And it's in our twelfth house, which feels so hidden.

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And for me, I think that manifests in feeling really

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conflict avoidant and just the idea of conflict, aggression, anger,

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standing up for myself. All of those things are not

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things that I feel a natural inclination towards.

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Speaker 1: Or do you find that by being conflict avoidant though,

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you end up creating conflict, because that's what I think,

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Like people hate that, it's I'm like that, so then

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it creates more at tension.

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Speaker 2: Definitely in my earlier twenties, yeah, it was that was

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a theme. I would just like ghost people or ghost

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friends when there was definitely a conversation I should have

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had and maybe we could have moved past things.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I was also going to say, how have you

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noticed Mars with like mental health?

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Speaker 2: It's so crucial I think for me, especially coming out

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of like this Sixth House emphasis that we've had. For

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the last few years, mental and physical health have been

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the main focus, and I think a lot of that

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comes with having Mars in Virgo in the twelfth House.

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It's there's such an emphasis around, like my mind and

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mental state needs to feel balanced and clearer in order

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for me to feel like I'm functioning at my best.

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Speaker 1: Do you have to be alone a lot? I feel

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like with Mars on the twelfth I get I have

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to be alone.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so much alone time.

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Speaker 2: I didn't think of that, but yeah, I need a

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lot of alone time.

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Speaker 1: Also with work. Are you I'm just trying to get

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a grasp on Mars in the twelfth House what we

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have in common. Are you someone that works in like

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short bursts or do you have like sustained energy that

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gets you throughout the day.

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Speaker 2: I think I have sustained energy, but it has to

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be at like an optimal time, Like I need to

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feel level headed and put the right structures in place

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that make me feel organized and balanced.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, especially with Virgo.

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Speaker 2: It's so detail oriented that I think having a Gemini

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moon and then Mars and Virgo, I can get overwhelmed

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pretty easily if things aren't in order.

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Speaker 1: Okay, because your moon squares Mars, my moon trines Mars.

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But I still notice it is like I don't know,

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emotions come on very strong. Yeah, that placement like very

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easy to get worked up.

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Speaker 2: And I think whenever my mind is like overworking, which

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I can overthink a lot, I have a tendency to

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spiral in my own mind. If I let that get

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out of that's when it'll lead to like insomnia and

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more difficult things.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I also want to decipher between like how Mars

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and Saturn can be the most difficult chart placements for people,

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and like how they differ, Like what types of different

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kind of scenarios do they bring up? Like I think

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we touched upon this a bit with Saturn of like

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how river Saturn is in your chart may feel I

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don't know, restricted, or like you take it a little

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bit too seriously and feel held back, like but like

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you're holding yourself back on the most whereas Mars. Again,

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maybe this is because I'm Mars in the twelve thousand,

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it's just like really hard to understand what it's trying

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to teach me.

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Speaker 3: No, I agree.

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Speaker 2: I think for me, Mars feels like it's trying to

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create structure and order in Virgo, where like when I'm

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focusing on things that are all about like for example,

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in my day job doing ux design and understanding what

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people want and then like breaking it down into systems

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and like consumer drives or flows, That's something that I

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think my Mars and Virgo is actually where it becomes

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the strength.

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Speaker 1: Okay, do you think like a MARS placement also shows

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like impatience or like I guess, a tendency to get aggressive.

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I would say like those are the when I think

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of Mars, those might be the more challenges that come up.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's all about your drive and how

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you how you go about conflict and expressing like your

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desire energy aggression in like a healthy way.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So it really depends on like the sign it's yeah

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placed in. Yeah, so you know it's hard with it

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being in the twelve house, You're like, how.

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Speaker 1: Do I I know we need more people to weigh

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in on like twelve twelve thousands? Just hard to understand.

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Yeah all, but I'm yeah, because you brought up like

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you've had eclipses and pisces and virgo, you're six and

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twelfth the last two years, and you feel like you've

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gotten more in touch with those with that natal placement.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I think specifically with the twelfth and sixth house emphasis

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health has been such a focus and finding like holistic

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alternatives to health and wellness practices has been something that's

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really helped like calm my mind, calm like health issues

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that have come up in the last few years. And

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that's been I think a lesson of having like also

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my north and south node in those houses.

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Speaker 1: Oh you have that, Natalie too? Is north node in

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this in Virgo in the twelve Yeah? Oh my god. Okay, Yeah,

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I feel like this is a question. I get a

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lot like what is the meaning of north node in

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twelve south more than six or reversed? Even do you

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find it's all trying to strike a balance between like

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rest and work and productivity and then mental and physical health.

480
00:26:08,440 --> 00:26:14,279
Speaker 2: It's kind of confusing as rising because everything's in its

481
00:26:14,319 --> 00:26:17,400
opposite sign so for.

482
00:26:17,480 --> 00:26:21,359
Speaker 1: Me, right, because when I've areas rising technically associated with

483
00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:22,400
like the first.

484
00:26:22,279 --> 00:26:26,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, So for me, it's kind of about like blending

485
00:26:26,640 --> 00:26:30,240
both Twelfth and Sixth House themes of like the Twelfth

486
00:26:30,279 --> 00:26:36,839
House of spirituality the Abyss and the Sixth House of

487
00:26:36,920 --> 00:26:39,799
like being more rooted in like day to day life

488
00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:44,559
healthy habits, and I think like blending the two finding

489
00:26:44,599 --> 00:26:50,440
like holistic practices that really work and support me with

490
00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:55,000
having those like day to day routines and structures and

491
00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:59,039
finding order in my day to day life. Yeah.

492
00:26:59,119 --> 00:27:01,799
Speaker 1: I also wonder if like the Twelfth House theme of

493
00:27:01,839 --> 00:27:04,759
like helping people plays into like work and trust too.

494
00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:07,519
Maybe we didn't even touch upon this, like how you

495
00:27:07,599 --> 00:27:09,559
still work a corporate job but you do astrology on

496
00:27:09,559 --> 00:27:12,200
the side. Like I wonder if that'll be something that

497
00:27:12,279 --> 00:27:14,960
comes up at a later date of like, oh I

498
00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:17,039
want to like make this more of my career.

499
00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:18,559
Speaker 3: Yeah.

500
00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:22,279
Speaker 2: I think the North Node is where you're heading in

501
00:27:22,319 --> 00:27:27,039
your life's direction, so you're constantly going to find ways

502
00:27:27,119 --> 00:27:30,680
that are like pulling you towards more Twelve House themes

503
00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:35,759
for me, And then I think balancing the like corporate

504
00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:39,519
job with all of these interests is probably attributed to

505
00:27:39,559 --> 00:27:45,759
my Gemini moon, yeah, and needing constant stimulation and also

506
00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:49,480
just like my day to day job is very like

507
00:27:49,640 --> 00:27:54,519
analytical and technical, and I needed with a librevizing and

508
00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:59,240
Taurus sun venus chart, I needed a way to find

509
00:27:59,799 --> 00:28:04,880
a creative world to live and play in. So I

510
00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:09,519
think finding those different outlets has been really supportive for

511
00:28:09,839 --> 00:28:10,400
my life.

512
00:28:10,839 --> 00:28:13,519
Speaker 1: Your chart is so interesting because we mentioned at the

513
00:28:13,559 --> 00:28:16,440
start like the huge eighthous symphasis, and then also like

514
00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:19,079
your north note and your mars in the twelfth house.

515
00:28:19,799 --> 00:28:21,240
I'm trying to think of like a good question to

516
00:28:21,279 --> 00:28:23,839
ask around this, but I just feel like people may

517
00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:25,400
look at a chart and be like, oh my god.

518
00:28:25,279 --> 00:28:28,319
Speaker 2: You have so many bad placements bad places.

519
00:28:28,440 --> 00:28:30,880
Speaker 1: Is that something that felt like, I don't know, you

520
00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:33,079
were like fixated on when you started learning astrology and

521
00:28:33,119 --> 00:28:35,160
you're like, oh my god, my chart's awful, and then

522
00:28:35,240 --> 00:28:37,880
you've come to realize, oh no, this is actually like

523
00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:39,359
kind of makes sense with my life.

524
00:28:40,160 --> 00:28:42,799
Speaker 2: I think that's a question that a lot of people

525
00:28:42,839 --> 00:28:43,279
come to me.

526
00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:46,319
Speaker 3: They're like, I have this placement, am I doomed?

527
00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:50,480
Speaker 2: Or this is a really bad placement? But for me,

528
00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:53,119
I don't know if I looked at it like that

529
00:28:53,160 --> 00:28:56,400
to begin with, I probably wasn't even aware that they

530
00:28:56,440 --> 00:29:00,640
were bad placements. I just learned about them in isolation

531
00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:05,680
to my chart, and the way that I went about

532
00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:10,079
it was like, these are the challenges that I might face,

533
00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:13,440
and I'm your chart is really set up in a

534
00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:14,079
way for.

535
00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:16,119
Speaker 3: You to find the strengths out of that.

536
00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:20,240
Speaker 2: And work it in a in a way where you're

537
00:29:20,759 --> 00:29:24,119
like working through challenges and then that's how you grow

538
00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:24,880
and evolve.

539
00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:27,640
Speaker 1: I feel like those difficult charplasons like the Saturdern and

540
00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:30,680
the seventh chiren in the first moon and Venus in

541
00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:33,839
the eighth is what like initially drew me and got

542
00:29:33,839 --> 00:29:35,839
me so obsessed with astrology in the first place, because

543
00:29:35,880 --> 00:29:37,799
it was like always those parts of my personality I

544
00:29:37,839 --> 00:29:40,200
couldn't quite put a finger on, but I knew it

545
00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:43,759
was like different, and then reading about those just like

546
00:29:43,799 --> 00:29:46,279
even just googling what is Venus in the eight house mean,

547
00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:48,279
it just like all clicked.

548
00:29:48,599 --> 00:29:51,160
Speaker 2: I think that was probably the same for me. It

549
00:29:51,279 --> 00:29:55,400
was finally putting words and articulating how I felt in

550
00:29:55,440 --> 00:30:00,319
certain ways and giving it a reason and meaning behind

551
00:30:00,519 --> 00:30:04,400
having those difficult experiences like as a kid or growing up.

552
00:30:04,440 --> 00:30:07,839
Speaker 1: Yeah, so we've spent a lot of time talking about

553
00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:12,000
Mars Saturn in Chirn. I want to touch upon Urinus, Neptune,

554
00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:14,680
and Pluto too, because if I were to think about, okay,

555
00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:17,599
what parts of the chart might be more challenging for people,

556
00:30:18,319 --> 00:30:21,119
those three come to mind. Though they're not as like

557
00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:24,480
personal to you, it's still is like I think of

558
00:30:24,559 --> 00:30:26,799
kind of Uranus and Neptune I have there's like conjunct

559
00:30:26,799 --> 00:30:29,640
in my charts. It's kind of like one same energy

560
00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:34,240
in the same house, but noticing maybe where things don't

561
00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:36,440
feel as stable or there's a lot of like deep

562
00:30:36,519 --> 00:30:39,799
transformation or kind of themes of loss. Specifically with Pluto.

563
00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:43,480
Do you find where those are placed in your chart

564
00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:45,519
are harder areas for you?

565
00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:50,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, that that's an interesting question. I think I have

566
00:30:51,160 --> 00:30:54,480
Pluto in the third house in sad and it's actually

567
00:30:54,519 --> 00:30:57,759
squaring my moon pretty almost exactly.

568
00:30:57,440 --> 00:30:58,160
Speaker 1: I mean opposite.

569
00:30:59,240 --> 00:30:59,440
Speaker 2: Yeah.

570
00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:01,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, is a square your Mars too?

571
00:31:02,759 --> 00:31:06,319
Speaker 2: The square I think it's at five degrees, so not

572
00:31:06,440 --> 00:31:08,960
quite squaring Mars, but opposite the moon.

573
00:31:09,079 --> 00:31:09,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's crazy.

574
00:31:11,079 --> 00:31:14,960
Speaker 2: And growing up third houses, there's so much a an

575
00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:20,319
emphasis around like neighbors, siblings, your like day to day community.

576
00:31:21,039 --> 00:31:24,640
And I moved around a lot in my early upbringing,

577
00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:28,720
so there was just a lot of change, grief, and

578
00:31:28,799 --> 00:31:32,279
like a lot of movement happening, which is also connected

579
00:31:32,319 --> 00:31:38,000
to Sagittarius. Yeah, so that could have been a way

580
00:31:38,039 --> 00:31:40,599
that like a more difficult aspect of that played out.

581
00:31:40,920 --> 00:31:43,279
Speaker 1: Do you feel like Pluto is easier to get older

582
00:31:43,319 --> 00:31:45,599
because I have a similar thing with Pluto in the

583
00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:48,519
Fourth House, like family being really difficult as a child,

584
00:31:48,599 --> 00:31:52,400
and like a lot of like upheaval and hard situations there.

585
00:31:52,759 --> 00:31:55,279
But now I don't really notice that as an adult.

586
00:31:55,759 --> 00:31:58,119
Maybe I'm yeah, maybe like I'll have a different opinion

587
00:31:58,119 --> 00:32:00,240
when I get to reach my Pluto square in a

588
00:32:00,279 --> 00:32:03,960
few years, But I don't know. I'm wondering if there

589
00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:06,039
is a pattern of like you get the hard stuff

590
00:32:06,039 --> 00:32:07,240
with Pluto earlier on.

591
00:32:07,839 --> 00:32:11,160
Speaker 2: I think that makes sense and something I've noticed with

592
00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:17,279
other librarizing specifically, there's a lot of instability or just

593
00:32:17,319 --> 00:32:21,920
like upheaval occurring around Third House themes early.

594
00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:28,519
Speaker 1: On with people that are libratising and have Pluto inside. Yes, okay, interesting, but.

595
00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:29,200
Speaker 3: I'm trying to think.

596
00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:32,839
Speaker 2: I think it has definitely gotten easier, and I don't

597
00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:36,000
think I think about Third House themes as much on

598
00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:39,480
a day to day basis, being challenging as being challenging.

599
00:32:39,920 --> 00:32:42,400
Speaker 1: What about Juviornus and Neptune in different signs.

600
00:32:42,799 --> 00:32:46,720
Speaker 2: I have Neptune in the fourth house, which Caricorn in Capricorn.

601
00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:52,440
I think the way that that's manifested is my specifically

602
00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:57,839
on my mom's side of the family. They're pretty into spirituality,

603
00:32:58,200 --> 00:33:04,680
and that is something that has been a theme since

604
00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:06,119
my childhood.

605
00:33:05,680 --> 00:33:08,519
Speaker 1: And like passed down to you because your mom has

606
00:33:08,519 --> 00:33:12,680
that interest in astrology. How you do that's really interesting, So.

607
00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:15,720
Speaker 2: Maybe that's a way that that's played out. Yeah, and

608
00:33:15,759 --> 00:33:19,720
then Urinus in the fifth how do you read that?

609
00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:20,799
Speaker 1: That's award one.

610
00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:25,799
Speaker 2: It's almost conjunct Jupiter. So I think Fifth House topics

611
00:33:25,839 --> 00:33:31,440
of like expressing my creativity and having creative outlets is

612
00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:38,000
something that's just been really crucial to my happiness, and

613
00:33:38,759 --> 00:33:40,119
I think that's how I.

614
00:33:40,119 --> 00:33:44,039
Speaker 1: Read that, Yeah, kind of also having maybe more independent

615
00:33:44,359 --> 00:33:47,440
creative outlets, yeah, or being like really unique in that way.

616
00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:50,039
I'm trying to think of my own Like having Uranus

617
00:33:50,039 --> 00:33:52,559
and Neptune in the sixth house, I don't notice it's

618
00:33:52,599 --> 00:33:55,160
so much as being hard with work, but more so

619
00:33:55,359 --> 00:33:59,480
like having a hard time following routine and like structure

620
00:34:00,079 --> 00:34:01,480
like it is really hard for me to wake up

621
00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:03,359
early and do the same routine every day.

622
00:34:04,119 --> 00:34:06,839
Speaker 2: And you're lucky you're not in a corporate job, so

623
00:34:06,880 --> 00:34:10,800
you can set your own unique routine that works, which

624
00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:12,119
is very Erinus.

625
00:34:12,519 --> 00:34:15,800
Speaker 1: Like, this is so interesting and that I was going

626
00:34:15,880 --> 00:34:17,079
to say that happened in the lead up to my

627
00:34:17,119 --> 00:34:20,719
Saturn return because I wanted to touch there's something else

628
00:34:20,760 --> 00:34:22,480
about Saturn and I wanted to talk about for a second.

629
00:34:22,559 --> 00:34:26,000
But yeah, also with health stuff, I don't like have

630
00:34:26,039 --> 00:34:28,199
a lot of health issues in general as a person,

631
00:34:28,239 --> 00:34:30,119
but I do find that when I have something more

632
00:34:30,159 --> 00:34:34,239
serious with neptune and the sex, it's like hard to

633
00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:37,559
like diagnose, or it's like something very weird often or

634
00:34:37,639 --> 00:34:39,199
like no one knows an answer to it.

635
00:34:40,159 --> 00:34:43,920
Speaker 2: I can relate to that with having neptune just lead

636
00:34:43,960 --> 00:34:49,039
hands at yeah, okay, And that was a period of time,

637
00:34:49,960 --> 00:34:53,920
depending on where other planets were when they would activate

638
00:34:53,960 --> 00:34:58,599
that transit neptune, I would have the most confusing illnesses

639
00:34:58,719 --> 00:35:01,440
come up where no one could really figure it out

640
00:35:01,480 --> 00:35:07,199
at first, and just a lot of needing to find

641
00:35:07,239 --> 00:35:11,719
holistic treatments that worked. So, for example, I had jaundice

642
00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:15,800
a few years ago that was crazy, which was in

643
00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:19,440
twenty twenty two, and I think at the same time

644
00:35:19,519 --> 00:35:20,960
Jupiter might have also been.

645
00:35:20,840 --> 00:35:25,320
Speaker 1: It was the Jupiter Neptune conjunction entices, so it.

646
00:35:25,239 --> 00:35:28,559
Speaker 2: Was it was really confusing. For the first two weeks

647
00:35:28,599 --> 00:35:32,639
we didn't really know what had happened. But this meal

648
00:35:32,719 --> 00:35:37,280
delivery service that I was using, one if their items

649
00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:42,360
was contaminated, so I, me and whoever else ordered that

650
00:35:42,679 --> 00:35:45,320
developed jaundice, which is really rare.

651
00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:49,840
Speaker 1: And this is like a faded illness that you've got. Yeah,

652
00:35:50,320 --> 00:35:52,440
oh my god. So yeah, that's that also brings up

653
00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:55,960
an interesting point of like how I guess Pluto, Uranus,

654
00:35:55,960 --> 00:35:58,400
and Neptune they've all changed signs in a huge way

655
00:35:58,760 --> 00:36:02,760
very recently, and like Neptune now with aries, I wonder

656
00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:06,360
if you'll get kind of that sometimes confusing element or

657
00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:08,679
like do I need to set better structure here now

658
00:36:08,679 --> 00:36:11,760
in your seventh house and like seeing how it's just

659
00:36:11,800 --> 00:36:14,280
affecting that one area for a little bit of time.

660
00:36:15,039 --> 00:36:16,119
Speaker 3: Yeah, we'll see.

661
00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:19,840
Speaker 2: I think also with Neptune, it was squaring my mid

662
00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:25,400
heaven and then ascendant angle. So Neptune transits trigger a

663
00:36:25,440 --> 00:36:27,800
lot of just confusion in your.

664
00:36:27,679 --> 00:36:31,119
Speaker 3: Life path in general. Yeah, it's what I've noticed from that.

665
00:36:31,719 --> 00:36:34,599
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've noticed that too. I'll happen on my mid

666
00:36:34,639 --> 00:36:36,679
heaven when it goes to Taurus. I'm a little worried

667
00:36:36,719 --> 00:36:41,159
about what happens to career at that point, but I

668
00:36:41,239 --> 00:36:45,239
had it, I guess. Most recently, the major aspect I

669
00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:48,719
made was Neptune conjung Venus, my mid heaven ruler, and

670
00:36:48,760 --> 00:36:50,760
I just do remember at that time, Okay, what am

671
00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:53,880
I supposed to be doing with career or feeling like frustrated,

672
00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:55,880
kind of like what's the long term picture here?

673
00:36:56,239 --> 00:37:00,760
Speaker 2: And with Neptune, you're wanting to chart a new, dreamier,

674
00:37:01,199 --> 00:37:05,280
more idealistic vision for wherever it's hitting.

675
00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:10,639
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. And then with Urinus, to contrast, that's more

676
00:37:10,679 --> 00:37:14,440
about I sen like I associate Uranus not in a

677
00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:18,280
super negative way, more like eye opening new experiences or

678
00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:21,360
like wanting greater freedom in that part of your life.

679
00:37:21,480 --> 00:37:22,280
Speaker 3: I think I agree.

680
00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:27,000
Speaker 2: Uranus to me feels a lot more like a creative

681
00:37:27,079 --> 00:37:33,119
breakthrough or something that shakes the foundation of where you're

682
00:37:33,199 --> 00:37:36,480
standing in a way that opens up a new path

683
00:37:36,559 --> 00:37:42,079
that's more independent, more innovative, and it breaks you out

684
00:37:42,119 --> 00:37:44,320
of the whatever it was boring.

685
00:37:44,440 --> 00:37:46,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I would take a Urinus transit over a

686
00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:47,679
Neptune any day.

687
00:37:48,079 --> 00:37:48,320
Speaker 3: Same.

688
00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:52,159
Speaker 1: Have you had a big Pluto transit happen in your

689
00:37:52,159 --> 00:37:55,840
adult life, because I'm currently having Pluto. It's stationed retrograde,

690
00:37:55,880 --> 00:37:58,480
like almost on my son, and I am noticing it's

691
00:37:58,519 --> 00:38:01,400
more subtle. It's kind of like I'm tapping into a

692
00:38:01,440 --> 00:38:05,119
bigger like personal power or like self confidence. So I'm

693
00:38:05,199 --> 00:38:08,280
not experiencing Pluto in a negative way more so like

694
00:38:08,840 --> 00:38:11,360
why have I never figured this out about myself before? Now?

695
00:38:11,519 --> 00:38:13,280
Speaker 3: Like that's so interesting.

696
00:38:13,840 --> 00:38:17,000
Speaker 2: I feel like the Aquarius suns, it's going to be

697
00:38:17,079 --> 00:38:20,639
really important to look at what they're working on and

698
00:38:20,679 --> 00:38:23,559
what they're putting out in the world because with that

699
00:38:23,679 --> 00:38:30,360
Pluto transforming the they're like underlying goals and identity.

700
00:38:30,519 --> 00:38:32,559
Speaker 3: It'll be interesting. It's almost the attention.

701
00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:34,199
Speaker 1: To peeling back and me like, this is who you

702
00:38:34,280 --> 00:38:36,920
really are? Ye lean into that.

703
00:38:37,400 --> 00:38:39,280
Speaker 3: I love that. That's really exciting.

704
00:38:39,559 --> 00:38:41,880
Speaker 1: I speak to me in a couple of years, maybe

705
00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:44,840
something really dramatic and awful does happen later a Pluto transit,

706
00:38:44,880 --> 00:38:47,599
but so far it has been like empowering and I

707
00:38:47,679 --> 00:38:48,280
feel better.

708
00:38:48,679 --> 00:38:49,920
Speaker 3: Wait, that's really hopeful.

709
00:38:50,280 --> 00:38:53,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know if I've had a big Pluto transit.

710
00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:59,239
Right now, it's transitting through the fifth and is close

711
00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:03,440
to trying my ascendant, but I think it's already past

712
00:39:03,519 --> 00:39:04,079
that point.

713
00:39:04,800 --> 00:39:07,360
Speaker 1: I guess your last major one would have been Pluto

714
00:39:07,440 --> 00:39:09,719
square or ascendant, but that would have been like because

715
00:39:09,719 --> 00:39:12,480
you have such an early libor rising. Maybe that was

716
00:39:13,119 --> 00:39:15,599
like two thousand and nine, twenty ten. That's a while ago.

717
00:39:16,239 --> 00:39:18,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm not sure. I was in middle school.

718
00:39:19,159 --> 00:39:21,159
Speaker 1: You'll have to think on that. See if you went

719
00:39:21,239 --> 00:39:24,199
through a personal people or like something.

720
00:39:24,519 --> 00:39:24,960
Speaker 3: Probably.

721
00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:30,360
Speaker 1: Yeah. You also mentioned how you don't love Mars retrograde

722
00:39:31,039 --> 00:39:33,880
because we have that coming up. I guess we're in

723
00:39:33,960 --> 00:39:38,360
like almost June. Now, when was that Mars? That's January tenth,

724
00:39:38,719 --> 00:39:44,800
so seven six seven months from now. What challenges do

725
00:39:44,840 --> 00:39:47,000
you find surface with Mars retrogrades?

726
00:39:47,800 --> 00:39:53,400
Speaker 2: With Mars, the motivation and will to act and do

727
00:39:53,519 --> 00:39:56,679
anything is so much harder for me. I think it

728
00:39:56,800 --> 00:40:00,880
also relates back to that Mars and the twelfth, where

729
00:40:01,360 --> 00:40:06,320
this is already something that's something that's confusing to grasp,

730
00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:10,519
and then when it's emphasized through a retrograde, that energy

731
00:40:10,679 --> 00:40:12,519
just feels a lot.

732
00:40:12,400 --> 00:40:15,760
Speaker 3: More daunting and frustrating slow.

733
00:40:15,960 --> 00:40:18,760
Speaker 2: Those are the themes that I notice in general.

734
00:40:19,320 --> 00:40:21,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, I notice it's hard to pinpoint where to direct

735
00:40:21,760 --> 00:40:24,280
your energy. Like there's often a lot of ideas that

736
00:40:24,480 --> 00:40:28,039
surface in whatever house it's about to station retrograde in

737
00:40:29,320 --> 00:40:31,840
right before the retrograde starts. But then it's like something

738
00:40:31,840 --> 00:40:34,400
about this doesn't feel totally right, and you kind of

739
00:40:34,440 --> 00:40:36,599
spend the rest of the retrograde being like how do

740
00:40:36,760 --> 00:40:40,599
I get this right? Like how does it feel? There's

741
00:40:40,599 --> 00:40:41,480
still aligned.

742
00:40:41,320 --> 00:40:45,880
Speaker 2: They restructuring that needs to go on through, and conflicts

743
00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:50,119
will arise through the retrograde that you're so frustrated.

744
00:40:49,559 --> 00:40:50,400
Speaker 3: And annoyed by.

745
00:40:50,840 --> 00:40:53,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, but you are kind of expecting it because you

746
00:40:53,880 --> 00:40:57,000
know that this area needed to be reworked in some way.

747
00:40:57,639 --> 00:41:01,440
A really interesting example I was thinking of with Mars

748
00:41:01,559 --> 00:41:05,760
retrograde is the last Mars retrograde was in Cancer.

749
00:41:06,320 --> 00:41:10,000
Speaker 1: In Yeah, Leo to Cancer twenty twenty four. He had

750
00:41:10,079 --> 00:41:13,559
started the very last month of twenty twenty four. I

751
00:41:13,599 --> 00:41:16,719
believe it started early December of twenty twenty four, and

752
00:41:16,760 --> 00:41:19,880
then it I think so lasted until late February of

753
00:41:19,880 --> 00:41:20,679
twenty twenty five.

754
00:41:21,119 --> 00:41:25,000
Speaker 2: What was interesting I was looking at Kendrick Lamar's chart

755
00:41:25,119 --> 00:41:30,679
librerising and his natal cancer Mars placement in his tenth.

756
00:41:30,960 --> 00:41:35,519
In his tenth was it was hitting that chart placement

757
00:41:36,320 --> 00:41:40,519
and that was aligned with his like super Bowl performance, his.

758
00:41:43,039 --> 00:41:45,480
Speaker 3: Conflict with Drake and all of that.

759
00:41:45,719 --> 00:41:47,519
Speaker 1: But a lot more public attention.

760
00:41:47,440 --> 00:41:51,360
Speaker 2: So much public attention, and I think he actually found

761
00:41:51,360 --> 00:41:55,400
a way to harness his natural Mars in the tenth

762
00:41:55,840 --> 00:41:57,960
in a productive way that like put him in this

763
00:41:58,039 --> 00:41:58,800
big spotlight.

764
00:41:59,400 --> 00:42:02,239
Speaker 1: Even though like retrograde can be like can make things

765
00:42:02,280 --> 00:42:04,400
feel slow down and frustrating, it does cause a lot

766
00:42:04,480 --> 00:42:07,639
to happen in that house of your chart, Like more

767
00:42:07,760 --> 00:42:10,000
is going on there naturally. Even in like the year

768
00:42:10,119 --> 00:42:13,599
leading up to the retrograde happening, You're seeing this stage

769
00:42:13,679 --> 00:42:17,119
set for like what's to occur. Like I'm thinking back,

770
00:42:18,480 --> 00:42:21,480
what's one I just remember, like having Mars retrograde in

771
00:42:21,519 --> 00:42:24,679
aries in twenty twenty, that was September to November of

772
00:42:24,679 --> 00:42:27,360
twenty twenty, and that was my ninth house. And like

773
00:42:27,400 --> 00:42:29,800
even before that retrograde started, it was like I was

774
00:42:29,840 --> 00:42:33,599
obsessed with learning about like spirituality and like going deeper

775
00:42:33,599 --> 00:42:36,280
with astrology and like psychic abilities and all of this stuff.

776
00:42:36,280 --> 00:42:38,679
It was just a theme for the year, and it

777
00:42:38,840 --> 00:42:41,679
just got more and more concentrated when that retrograde began.

778
00:42:42,239 --> 00:42:43,159
Speaker 3: That's so true.

779
00:42:43,559 --> 00:42:44,239
Speaker 1: That was.

780
00:42:45,920 --> 00:42:50,000
Speaker 2: I feel like Mars, there's so much emphasis prior to

781
00:42:50,039 --> 00:42:54,119
the retrograde and then also after because you're restructuring whatever

782
00:42:54,159 --> 00:42:57,639
it's worked through, and a lot of times there will

783
00:42:57,719 --> 00:43:02,280
be relationships or things that get it ended or cut

784
00:43:02,320 --> 00:43:05,960
off during that retrograde in twenty twenty. For me, was

785
00:43:05,960 --> 00:43:09,559
the last time, I think right during that Mars retrograde

786
00:43:09,920 --> 00:43:13,840
was when I ended this year long situationship that I

787
00:43:13,880 --> 00:43:14,760
was in and that was.

788
00:43:14,760 --> 00:43:19,800
Speaker 1: A seventh house. Interesting, yeah, I had a seventh house

789
00:43:19,840 --> 00:43:23,800
Mars retrograde when it was in Aquarius in twenty eighteen.

790
00:43:24,320 --> 00:43:27,679
That was Aquarius Capricorn Mars retrograde summer of twenty eighteen.

791
00:43:28,440 --> 00:43:30,960
And this guy that I had been involved with since

792
00:43:31,039 --> 00:43:34,280
college kept coming back post grad so many times. That

793
00:43:34,400 --> 00:43:36,320
was the final time that was You're done.

794
00:43:36,519 --> 00:43:40,280
Speaker 2: The same For me, it was a cycle repeating, constantly

795
00:43:40,320 --> 00:43:43,920
thinking about relationships, and then finally during the Mars retrograde,

796
00:43:43,920 --> 00:43:45,320
it was over for good.

797
00:43:45,960 --> 00:43:49,599
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, so do you already because the next one

798
00:43:49,639 --> 00:43:53,159
coming up January tenth to April first of twenty twenty

799
00:43:53,159 --> 00:43:56,960
seven that will start in Virgo your twelfth and end

800
00:43:57,000 --> 00:44:01,800
in Leo your eleventh. Are you already seen twelveth Eleventh

801
00:44:01,840 --> 00:44:04,440
House themes like just the closer we get to that

802
00:44:04,559 --> 00:44:07,360
starting be more. I don't know even if they're not

803
00:44:07,360 --> 00:44:10,239
frustrating yet because the record still hasn't started, just a

804
00:44:10,239 --> 00:44:11,480
greater emphasis on them.

805
00:44:12,239 --> 00:44:16,199
Speaker 2: I think there is definitely an eleventh House emphasis that

806
00:44:16,280 --> 00:44:20,639
I feel coming into play, which also relates.

807
00:44:20,280 --> 00:44:22,920
Speaker 1: To Jupiter, the South Node and the South.

808
00:44:22,760 --> 00:44:27,280
Speaker 2: Node moving there. It just seems like eleventh House and

809
00:44:27,719 --> 00:44:32,199
my connections people that I'm around are becoming more important.

810
00:44:32,719 --> 00:44:36,800
So hopefully that yeah, doesn't cause too much conflict.

811
00:44:36,960 --> 00:44:40,280
Speaker 1: But I loved Mars Retrogad in the eleventh House, Okay,

812
00:44:40,360 --> 00:44:42,559
I had that when it was Jemini in twenty twenty two.

813
00:44:43,079 --> 00:44:45,079
I felt like more people were supportive. It was a

814
00:44:45,119 --> 00:44:47,519
great time for building an audience for my business, Like

815
00:44:47,559 --> 00:44:50,960
it just came so much easily, came so much more easily,

816
00:44:51,119 --> 00:44:53,000
especially once the retrograde was in effect.

817
00:44:53,440 --> 00:44:54,599
Speaker 3: Okay, that's hopeful.

818
00:44:54,960 --> 00:44:57,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's one of the more positive ones. I would

819
00:44:57,440 --> 00:44:59,760
say it's an eleventh House, but it could bring up

820
00:44:59,760 --> 00:45:01,199
ten and with friends.

821
00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:03,400
Speaker 3: And then twelve it's gonna I think I didn't love.

822
00:45:03,559 --> 00:45:05,760
Speaker 2: I think I'm just gonna want to be alone.

823
00:45:06,320 --> 00:45:09,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, or a huge emphasis on wellness, which you've already

824
00:45:09,239 --> 00:45:11,800
experienced what the eclipses there, But I with a twelve

825
00:45:11,840 --> 00:45:13,519
house retrograd, it was like the first time in my

826
00:45:13,559 --> 00:45:17,000
life I had worked out like in the morning, like

827
00:45:17,039 --> 00:45:18,920
every day, Like I've never done that.

828
00:45:18,840 --> 00:45:20,960
Speaker 2: And I'm not doing that right now, so maybe I'll start.

829
00:45:21,480 --> 00:45:24,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I have the retrograde will start in my

830
00:45:24,639 --> 00:45:26,880
second house and go back to my first, And I

831
00:45:26,920 --> 00:45:29,760
already see the themes being set up of like, Okay,

832
00:45:29,760 --> 00:45:32,559
I'm going through this huge first house life change. I'm

833
00:45:32,599 --> 00:45:36,480
becoming a mom ahead of that retrograde starting. How does

834
00:45:36,519 --> 00:45:39,000
that change my business and how I make money and

835
00:45:39,000 --> 00:45:42,840
what I prioritize in my business? And I feel like

836
00:45:42,880 --> 00:45:46,039
I'll spend a ton of that retrograde reflecting on it,

837
00:45:46,159 --> 00:45:48,599
and then once it ends in April, it'll be like

838
00:45:49,039 --> 00:45:50,400
this is what we're doing with work now?

839
00:45:50,679 --> 00:45:53,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, and with Mars, it's probably going to be about

840
00:45:53,840 --> 00:45:56,960
where should I direct my energy in a way that's

841
00:45:57,039 --> 00:46:02,719
most productive and intentional because I have a baby.

842
00:46:02,480 --> 00:46:06,719
Speaker 1: Too, Yeah, exactly, like I'm already thinking about that even

843
00:46:06,719 --> 00:46:09,559
though the retrogad is so far away still that's interesting.

844
00:46:11,519 --> 00:46:15,840
One other thing, with the difficult planets Saturn, Mars, Chiron,

845
00:46:15,880 --> 00:46:18,039
all this stuff we've been talking about, I wanted to

846
00:46:18,079 --> 00:46:21,639
go over like how not only the Saturn natal placement

847
00:46:21,679 --> 00:46:23,679
in your charts, so like for you you have Saturn

848
00:46:23,719 --> 00:46:27,000
and Ares, but also the house is ruled by Saturn,

849
00:46:27,119 --> 00:46:29,719
So your fourth house is ruled by Capricorn, your fifth

850
00:46:29,719 --> 00:46:33,599
house is ruled by Aquarius, both associated with Saturn. Do

851
00:46:33,639 --> 00:46:36,559
you see those getting that same influence that your seventh

852
00:46:36,599 --> 00:46:38,679
house has or is a bit easier.

853
00:46:39,079 --> 00:46:39,360
Speaker 3: Yeah.

854
00:46:39,400 --> 00:46:43,639
Speaker 2: I think with the fourth house, the idea of home

855
00:46:43,760 --> 00:46:50,880
and family. Family was constantly changing. We were moving a

856
00:46:50,920 --> 00:46:54,960
lot growing up, so it was hard to have like

857
00:46:55,000 --> 00:46:59,079
a steady foundation of just where we were living our

858
00:46:59,199 --> 00:46:59,920
physical home.

859
00:47:00,159 --> 00:47:01,840
Speaker 1: That could also be the Neptune in the fourth house.

860
00:47:02,079 --> 00:47:03,519
Speaker 3: Yeah, that also makes sense.

861
00:47:04,440 --> 00:47:08,960
Speaker 2: And then with the fifth house, I think with my

862
00:47:09,039 --> 00:47:12,840
creative projects and endeavors, that's always been something I've been

863
00:47:13,239 --> 00:47:17,039
super drawn to and super interested in the arts, but

864
00:47:17,079 --> 00:47:22,239
there was also this perfectionist tendency of taking it very seriously,

865
00:47:22,840 --> 00:47:26,920
not wanting to show anyone what I've created because I'm

866
00:47:26,960 --> 00:47:30,400
so hyper critical and taking it super seriously.

867
00:47:30,920 --> 00:47:33,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, like everything has to be perfectly done before I

868
00:47:33,920 --> 00:47:35,440
put it out there, but then you don't end up

869
00:47:35,440 --> 00:47:38,119
putting anything out because it's not very perfect enough exactly.

870
00:47:38,599 --> 00:47:41,639
I wonder if, like during your Saturn return, those the

871
00:47:41,679 --> 00:47:44,559
topic of maybe moving in her home and family gets addressed,

872
00:47:44,880 --> 00:47:48,400
or I don't know, gaining more confidence and creative stuff.

873
00:47:48,920 --> 00:47:52,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, what about you? How have you noticed Saturn.

874
00:47:51,719 --> 00:47:54,440
Speaker 1: Because Saturn already is in one of the signs of

875
00:47:54,559 --> 00:47:57,480
rules seventh Aquarius for me. But I did notice a

876
00:47:57,519 --> 00:48:00,519
lot of Six House themes come up during my return

877
00:48:00,559 --> 00:48:04,880
because that's a ruled by Capricorn. Health hadn't. I'm someone

878
00:48:04,880 --> 00:48:06,800
that just never took care of my body in my

879
00:48:06,880 --> 00:48:10,360
early twenties, like eats whatever, doesn't really work out. That

880
00:48:10,400 --> 00:48:12,360
all had to change at the Saturn return because I

881
00:48:12,400 --> 00:48:15,119
had like health problems come up and I was just like, oh,

882
00:48:15,159 --> 00:48:17,760
it actually is cool to exercise and like take care

883
00:48:17,800 --> 00:48:23,599
of myself. I wouldn't. I don't notice the Saturn so

884
00:48:23,800 --> 00:48:26,920
much with works the Six House like negative work stuff,

885
00:48:26,960 --> 00:48:29,639
I don't notice it as much. I would say, maybe

886
00:48:29,679 --> 00:48:32,320
like figuring out what work is worth my time and

887
00:48:32,440 --> 00:48:35,039
energy was a big Saturn return theme.

888
00:48:35,000 --> 00:48:36,159
Speaker 3: That makes so much sense.

889
00:48:36,559 --> 00:48:39,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, and like, how was I over extending myself and

890
00:48:39,599 --> 00:48:42,280
doing too much work for other people instead of like

891
00:48:42,639 --> 00:48:43,760
what I actually care about?

892
00:48:44,440 --> 00:48:45,760
Speaker 2: Wow, that's so cool.

893
00:48:46,079 --> 00:48:48,599
Speaker 1: Yeah, but yeah, the I just wanted to call that

894
00:48:48,599 --> 00:48:51,440
out because it's like, not only the Saturn placement is

895
00:48:51,480 --> 00:48:55,159
important at a Saturn return, but also the two houses ruled

896
00:48:55,159 --> 00:48:56,360
by Saturn.

897
00:48:55,960 --> 00:49:00,480
Speaker 2: And I I definitely feel that emphasis coming in where

898
00:49:01,000 --> 00:49:04,119
I'm thinking about what I want in like a long

899
00:49:04,239 --> 00:49:09,960
term home, and also trying to be less of a

900
00:49:10,000 --> 00:49:15,079
perfectionist with creative projects and putting things out there before

901
00:49:15,119 --> 00:49:17,760
it feels like it's fully ready.

902
00:49:18,079 --> 00:49:19,719
Speaker 1: It'll be cool to check back in with you in

903
00:49:19,760 --> 00:49:24,440
twenty twenty eight, be like what's changed, hopefully. I wanted

904
00:49:24,480 --> 00:49:27,360
to end by talking about what are just some other

905
00:49:28,199 --> 00:49:29,960
Are there any Is there anything we haven't touched upon

906
00:49:30,000 --> 00:49:33,800
that's like a challenging transit that we could talk through.

907
00:49:34,320 --> 00:49:38,639
I'm trying to think, hmm, maybe.

908
00:49:38,519 --> 00:49:41,639
Speaker 2: It's top of mind because Saturn just moved through my

909
00:49:41,800 --> 00:49:45,280
sixth house, but we've already talked a lot about sixth.

910
00:49:45,000 --> 00:49:49,239
Speaker 1: House, six and twelfth transits in general. Yeah, I mean

911
00:49:50,079 --> 00:49:52,800
twelfth the hardest thing I noticed is like falling outs

912
00:49:52,840 --> 00:49:56,480
with people, or like things ending or things like not

913
00:49:57,719 --> 00:50:00,239
I don't know, being forced to slow down again my

914
00:50:00,320 --> 00:50:02,960
will I can.

915
00:50:02,800 --> 00:50:06,360
Speaker 2: Relate to that with the nodes being in the twelfth.

916
00:50:06,559 --> 00:50:09,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, what do you find more difficult twelfth House transit,

917
00:50:09,639 --> 00:50:11,000
eighth House or fourth House?

918
00:50:13,519 --> 00:50:16,000
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, such a good questions, is the question.

919
00:50:18,360 --> 00:50:22,679
Speaker 2: I would say not eighth because maybe and maybe that's

920
00:50:23,000 --> 00:50:24,960
tied to Venus and the sun being there.

921
00:50:25,480 --> 00:50:27,599
Speaker 3: But eighth House feels more.

922
00:50:28,039 --> 00:50:32,000
Speaker 2: Comfortable and like a natural place for me to be.

923
00:50:33,360 --> 00:50:36,480
What I find really challenging is twelfth House and fourth

924
00:50:37,880 --> 00:50:41,760
because both of those feel like I'm going very internal

925
00:50:42,079 --> 00:50:48,000
and spending a lot of time alone. Twelfth I think

926
00:50:48,039 --> 00:50:54,320
I can have a tendency to spiral and really like overthink.

927
00:50:55,239 --> 00:50:57,559
And then Fourth it just feels like nothing is really

928
00:50:57,559 --> 00:51:02,719
happening when I want to be out or doing things. Yeah,

929
00:51:02,760 --> 00:51:04,159
but it feels a lot slower.

930
00:51:04,719 --> 00:51:06,960
Speaker 1: My fourth is ruled by Scorpio, and I do notice

931
00:51:07,039 --> 00:51:09,320
that's the period of the year I dislike the most.

932
00:51:09,559 --> 00:51:13,199
It's like I just hate that internal slow period of

933
00:51:13,199 --> 00:51:15,719
the year. Whereas I could say the same about cancer

934
00:51:15,760 --> 00:51:18,679
season because it's my twelve. I don't know, I'm gonna

935
00:51:18,679 --> 00:51:20,880
have to go with twelfth is my least favorite though,

936
00:51:21,239 --> 00:51:23,199
just because it's like you're not as a Leo Rising.

937
00:51:23,280 --> 00:51:26,400
I don't like not being seen, Like you're literally hidden

938
00:51:26,719 --> 00:51:31,119
with transits through the twelfth and it's if you the

939
00:51:31,239 --> 00:51:34,840
harder you try, it's like nothing. Yeah, you could put

940
00:51:34,880 --> 00:51:36,559
so much stuff out there and try to get so

941
00:51:36,639 --> 00:51:38,360
much going and it's just not going to pay.

942
00:51:38,440 --> 00:51:41,519
Speaker 2: You just have to wait until it enters the first.

943
00:51:41,519 --> 00:51:43,000
Speaker 1: It's like a lesson in patience.

944
00:51:43,679 --> 00:51:45,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, totally, so.

945
00:51:45,199 --> 00:51:48,360
Speaker 1: Those are I would say those are trickier houses for

946
00:51:48,400 --> 00:51:51,199
stuff to go through. Also, Yeah, one thing I did

947
00:51:51,320 --> 00:51:54,079
want to bring up is like transits that might be overhyped,

948
00:51:55,239 --> 00:51:58,079
So like what are transits You're like, oh, I expected

949
00:51:58,119 --> 00:52:02,599
this to go so well, but nothing really happened.

950
00:52:05,119 --> 00:52:08,920
Speaker 2: The one that comes to mind is Jupiter. Jupiter puts

951
00:52:08,960 --> 00:52:13,800
so much emphasis where you're thinking about whatever house sits in,

952
00:52:15,199 --> 00:52:18,719
but it doesn't really like materialize into anything per se.

953
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Speaker 1: It has to be back to wait.

954
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Speaker 2: For other planets to enter and meet Jupiter or it's

955
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just this like cloud of anticipation and waiting for things

956
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to happen there.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, like you've had Jupiter in your tenth house, and

958
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it's kind of been like, Okay, when are things really

959
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gonna grow more? What's your career? That I felt the

960
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same way with Jupiter in my tenth It was like

961
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something I looked forward to so much and then it

962
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felt almost just too overwhelming with work, but not in

963
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a good way totally.

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Speaker 2: I think Jupiter almost puts too much energy into something,

965
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but it doesn't really like ground it in anything.

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Speaker 1: So it's interesting.

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Speaker 2: There's this energy overload where you're spending a lot of

968
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timeocusing on wherever it's in your chart, but it doesn't

969
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always materialize, and sometimes it's just there to give you

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a new perspective. I have an example if one of

971
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my friends is a Cabricorn rising and she just went

972
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through this relationship with Jupiter and her in her seventh house. Yeah,

973
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and then it didn't end up materializing into something serious,

974
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which she was.

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Speaker 3: Really hoping for.

976
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Speaker 2: Interesting, and I think that's so typical of Jupiter. It

977
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like introduced her to someone she wouldn't normally date and

978
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she ended up really clicking with them, but then it

979
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just ended up fizzling.

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Speaker 1: I think like there has to be Saturn there for

981
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there to be like firm commitment with something. I think so,

982
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which is why I like Saturn more as even though

983
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it's really hard in the moment, like it actually stuff

984
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gets done with Saturn.

985
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Speaker 2: That I think I agree with that.

986
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Speaker 1: Yeah, is there a favorite Saturn or Jupiter transit you have?

987
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Speaker 2: I now, looking back, Saturn moving through my fifth house

988
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in the moment felt really difficult, and it was also

989
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at the same time as COVID, I was going through

990
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a lot of lessons in romance dating and also spending

991
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so much time water coloring every day, which felt very Saturn,

992
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like you have to do this every day.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but looking back, I think a lot of that

995
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was really helpful and taught me so many valuable lessons

996
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in all of those areas.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Saturn through the fifth was fun for me too.

998
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I was like, this is how I don't know, I

999
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had so much fun, like blogging because this was back

1000
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in like twenty fifteen, like different era on social media,

1001
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like finding my creative voice. I also love Saturn in

1002
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the seventh, so I wonder how you'll feel at the

1003
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end of that. I've liked the seventh a lot more

1004
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than Saturn in the eighth or the sixth.

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Speaker 2: That makes sense I think so far I like it

1006
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better than Saturn in the sixth, but we'll see how

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my Saturn plays out.

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Speaker 1: And my favorite Jupiter trans is Jupiter in the ninth

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and Jupiter in the fifth.

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Speaker 2: Jupiter in the ninth is when I began DJing and

1011
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cosmic cocktails at the same time.

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Speaker 1: It's such a fun trend.

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Speaker 3: It went over my moon okay ninth.

1014
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like expansive, like you're excited to learn, ye spirament.

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Oh I love that. Well, we could go on forever,

1016
00:55:34,039 --> 00:55:37,000
like talking about random stuff, but this has been such

1017
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a nice chat. Thank you for coming on vaccine.

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Speaker 3: Thank you so much for having me. It's been so

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special to be on.

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Speaker 1: Where can people find you, book your services everything?

1021
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Speaker 2: Yeah, so I'm on Instagram as just Maxine Twig and

1022
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they can find me there.

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Speaker 3: And I have a.

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Speaker 1: Website Cosmic Cocktails or what your readings are called. Yeah, love, Okay,

1025
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thank you, Thank you so much. As send some way