WEBVTT 1 00:00:01.360 --> 00:00:07.080 It's Night Side with Dan Ray on WBZ, Boston's news radio. 2 00:00:07.679 --> 00:00:10.199 Thank you very much the goal as we start off 3 00:00:10.359 --> 00:00:13.640 our Monday night here, the full week of Nightside coming 4 00:00:13.720 --> 00:00:16.519 up five nights Monday through Friday from eight until midnight. 5 00:00:16.600 --> 00:00:19.640 My name is Dan Ray. Rob Brooks back from a 6 00:00:19.679 --> 00:00:23.440 brief respite this weekend. He had Friday night off and 7 00:00:24.120 --> 00:00:26.440 Mike Templeton did a great job in his place, but 8 00:00:26.600 --> 00:00:29.640 Rob is back in his regular position. Tonight. We have 9 00:00:29.760 --> 00:00:34.600 our news update coming up this hour, four interesting guests talking. 10 00:00:34.640 --> 00:00:36.840 You're going to talk about sleep, going to talk about 11 00:00:37.119 --> 00:00:39.640 the state of the Bruins, going to talk about hint 12 00:00:39.679 --> 00:00:44.520 of virus, the infection that killed Gene Hackman's wife, Betsy Arakawa. 13 00:00:45.000 --> 00:00:49.679 And also the US Army is losing now nearly a 14 00:00:49.799 --> 00:00:52.359 quarter of its soldiers during the first two years of 15 00:00:52.399 --> 00:00:54.920 their enlistment. So those are the subjects. Later on tonight, 16 00:00:55.159 --> 00:00:58.200 we're going to talk about improving the mass economy with 17 00:00:58.600 --> 00:01:02.719 a new alliance called the Massive Massachusetts Opportunity Alliance. Talk 18 00:01:02.799 --> 00:01:05.959 with the president of that group, Chris Anderson. And then 19 00:01:06.159 --> 00:01:08.319 later we've got to ask the question that Donald Trump 20 00:01:08.400 --> 00:01:11.400 didn't want to answer over the weekend. We're looking and 21 00:01:11.519 --> 00:01:15.680 heading towards a recession. His non answer probably contributed somewhat 22 00:01:16.000 --> 00:01:19.799 to the tanking of the stock market today. But before 23 00:01:19.840 --> 00:01:22.439 we get to those subjects that incorporate phone calls from 24 00:01:22.480 --> 00:01:25.480 the audience, we will spend an hour talking with four guests. 25 00:01:25.480 --> 00:01:29.000 We're going to start off with doctor Shelby Harris, who 26 00:01:29.040 --> 00:01:32.480 is a sleep psychologist. All of us at one point 27 00:01:32.519 --> 00:01:36.560 have needed a sleep psychologist. The question Chris Wall. Welcome, 28 00:01:36.879 --> 00:01:38.920 doctor Harris. I promise you won't go to sleep during 29 00:01:38.920 --> 00:01:40.680 this interview. I promise you that. How are you doing? 30 00:01:40.719 --> 00:01:40.799 Man? 31 00:01:41.000 --> 00:01:44.280 Now? Thank you so much. It's very good to be here. 32 00:01:44.280 --> 00:01:45.239 Thanks for having me on. 33 00:01:46.040 --> 00:01:50.480 You very welcome. So let's talk about sleep now. I'm 34 00:01:50.519 --> 00:01:54.079 in that generation that you're talking about, the older Americans 35 00:01:54.120 --> 00:01:58.560 who find sleep more difficult as you age. I want 36 00:01:58.599 --> 00:02:01.519 you to know that last I went to sleep at 37 00:02:01.560 --> 00:02:05.120 ten PM and I woke up at seven point thirty 38 00:02:05.159 --> 00:02:08.919 this morning. I had a very comfortable nine and a 39 00:02:09.000 --> 00:02:11.800 half hours of sleep. If I'm doing my math correctly, 40 00:02:12.919 --> 00:02:15.919 And there are nights when I sleep like a baby, 41 00:02:15.919 --> 00:02:18.400 and then there are other nights where I don't sleep 42 00:02:18.479 --> 00:02:21.960 as well. What do we need to be concerned about 43 00:02:22.000 --> 00:02:25.879 as we get older, because I guess generally I used 44 00:02:25.879 --> 00:02:27.840 to be able to sleep twelve hours as a teenager. 45 00:02:27.919 --> 00:02:31.840 Oh my god. Oh yeah, yeah, I mean, I think 46 00:02:31.840 --> 00:02:33.960 there's a few things you need to think about. So 47 00:02:34.520 --> 00:02:36.879 the first thing that I stress for people of any 48 00:02:37.199 --> 00:02:40.759 age is that perfection is not the goal. Despite what 49 00:02:40.919 --> 00:02:45.199 everyone online is saying about optimizing your sleep, if you're 50 00:02:45.280 --> 00:02:48.560 content with your sleep five nights a week, then you're 51 00:02:48.639 --> 00:02:52.919 probably doing fine. So that means that there's individual variation 52 00:02:53.039 --> 00:02:54.719 from night to night. There might just be a night 53 00:02:54.719 --> 00:02:56.560 here and there that's not great. But if at least 54 00:02:56.560 --> 00:02:59.280 five nights a week you're content with it, you're good. 55 00:03:00.000 --> 00:03:02.639 Thing as you should be concerned about though, especially as 56 00:03:02.639 --> 00:03:06.360 you get older. Are it's normal to get a little 57 00:03:06.479 --> 00:03:08.719 less sleep. We're talking like a half hour, because sometimes 58 00:03:08.759 --> 00:03:10.879 people want they get older, they nat more during the day. 59 00:03:11.319 --> 00:03:13.560 But if you're getting a lot less sleep than you 60 00:03:13.639 --> 00:03:17.319 used to, if you are finding that the quality of 61 00:03:17.360 --> 00:03:19.960 the sleep is much more disturbed, you're waking up you 62 00:03:20.000 --> 00:03:23.240 don't feel like it's restorative, or you find the timing 63 00:03:23.360 --> 00:03:26.360 of your sleep is really bothersome, meaning that you've suddenly 64 00:03:26.520 --> 00:03:29.520 now are sleeping on and off throughout the day, or 65 00:03:29.560 --> 00:03:31.840 you're going to bed a lot earlier and waking up 66 00:03:31.879 --> 00:03:34.280 at three in the morning. If something like that has happened, 67 00:03:34.319 --> 00:03:37.240 you often want to talk with a sleep specialist. 68 00:03:37.960 --> 00:03:43.800 Yeah, and sleep specialists are easily available. I mean they 69 00:03:43.840 --> 00:03:46.439 all can't call you doctor harrisy. I know that you'd 70 00:03:46.439 --> 00:03:47.919 be pretty busy. 71 00:03:48.919 --> 00:03:51.719 We're busy, that's for sure. So there's different ways to start. 72 00:03:51.759 --> 00:03:55.360 So you can always talk with your primary care doctor 73 00:03:55.960 --> 00:03:58.840 and they can guide you to the right place. So 74 00:03:59.199 --> 00:04:01.479 if they think that you might need a sleep study, 75 00:04:01.520 --> 00:04:05.360 for example, because they're suspecting acnea, which is really common 76 00:04:05.680 --> 00:04:09.199 in men and women as they get older, they might 77 00:04:09.240 --> 00:04:12.159 be able to Sometimes some tribrary care doctors will call 78 00:04:12.199 --> 00:04:14.759 out for at home sleep studies on their own, or 79 00:04:14.800 --> 00:04:17.399 they might refer you to sleep medicine, and there are 80 00:04:17.439 --> 00:04:20.519 sleep clinics and sleep doctors who will do that. When 81 00:04:20.560 --> 00:04:25.040 it comes to more specialized insomnia care or more specialized 82 00:04:25.079 --> 00:04:28.519 issues like narcolepsy and other more specific issues, you might 83 00:04:28.560 --> 00:04:30.959 want to find someone who really has experience in that. 84 00:04:31.199 --> 00:04:34.160 But there are lots of people out there, pulmonary specialists 85 00:04:34.199 --> 00:04:36.879 who will do this initial evaluation for you. But you 86 00:04:36.879 --> 00:04:39.839 can always start with your primary care doctor doctaires. 87 00:04:39.879 --> 00:04:41.680 I think that's great advice, but I must tell you, 88 00:04:41.720 --> 00:04:45.839 in Massachusetts it is very difficult for me area people 89 00:04:45.839 --> 00:04:48.720 to get a primary care physician. I don't know, yes, 90 00:04:49.360 --> 00:04:52.800 going on nationwide, but here in Massachusetts and in the 91 00:04:52.839 --> 00:04:56.199 greater Boston area we think is the medical capital of 92 00:04:56.240 --> 00:05:00.120 the world with you know, I know, I know, the 93 00:05:01.000 --> 00:05:01.959 clinic and all of that. 94 00:05:02.279 --> 00:05:05.800 Well, here's the thing I'm from. Yeah, I'm from Rhode 95 00:05:05.800 --> 00:05:08.079 Island and all my families actually in the Boston area, 96 00:05:08.160 --> 00:05:10.759 so I hear this all the time. So it is 97 00:05:10.959 --> 00:05:15.480 very very be's I know, it is extremely, extremely difficult. 98 00:05:15.639 --> 00:05:18.360 But you if you don't have a primary care doctor 99 00:05:18.439 --> 00:05:21.199 but you're concerned, then maybe you have to go to 100 00:05:21.279 --> 00:05:23.680 an urgent care and ask them and say there's significant 101 00:05:23.720 --> 00:05:26.360 issues with your sleep quality. But you do need to 102 00:05:26.439 --> 00:05:29.879 have someone. Even sometimes if you don't have your own 103 00:05:29.879 --> 00:05:32.560 primary care doctor, you can call. It really depends on 104 00:05:32.600 --> 00:05:35.079 the kind of insurance you have, but there are sleep 105 00:05:35.160 --> 00:05:38.959 clinics that you could sometimes just go to directly if 106 00:05:39.000 --> 00:05:41.759 you really need to, or like I said, pulmonary doctors. 107 00:05:41.839 --> 00:05:44.079 Other people it might be a wait, but you can 108 00:05:44.120 --> 00:05:44.639 start there. 109 00:05:45.279 --> 00:05:50.920 Yeah, all great questions and Uh, it does. I'm ashamed 110 00:05:50.959 --> 00:05:54.720 to say that here in Massachusetts, but we have treated doctors, 111 00:05:54.879 --> 00:06:00.399 particularly primary care doctors I know, shabbily and and a 112 00:06:00.439 --> 00:06:04.360 lot of them. And this was aggravated obviously by the 113 00:06:04.399 --> 00:06:09.800 COVID virus because I had a great doctor who probably 114 00:06:09.800 --> 00:06:13.160 retired a couple of years more earlier than he thought 115 00:06:13.160 --> 00:06:15.600 he would. But a lot of the doctors who are 116 00:06:15.639 --> 00:06:19.839 still hanging on here as PCPs, they're delused with paperwork. 117 00:06:19.959 --> 00:06:24.000 Everything is sure, paperwork, paperwork, and they are driving people 118 00:06:24.240 --> 00:06:26.839 out of the field of medicine. So again I think 119 00:06:26.839 --> 00:06:29.920 it's the bean counters which are which are the enemy 120 00:06:29.959 --> 00:06:33.600 of us all but particular doctors. Look, how could folks 121 00:06:33.720 --> 00:06:37.160 find more information and we able to follow you on 122 00:06:37.160 --> 00:06:41.439 on a website? Yeah, folks come on here. They appreciate 123 00:06:41.839 --> 00:06:44.600 getting some more some more hits on their websites. Or 124 00:06:44.920 --> 00:06:46.560 maybe you've got a book, Maybe you got a book 125 00:06:46.600 --> 00:06:47.360 you I recommend. 126 00:06:47.959 --> 00:06:51.319 So I do a lot of steps. So my area 127 00:06:51.360 --> 00:06:55.879 of specialty is insomnia. And so if you have int somnia, 128 00:06:55.959 --> 00:06:57.600 I have a book that came out a few years ago. 129 00:06:57.639 --> 00:06:59.439 You can still get it online called The Women's Guide 130 00:06:59.480 --> 00:07:02.519 to Overcome Insomnia. So and it talks a lot for 131 00:07:02.639 --> 00:07:08.000 women about menopause, perimenopause issues, aging and sleep and treatment 132 00:07:08.079 --> 00:07:10.759 to help with that. And then on top of that, 133 00:07:11.240 --> 00:07:14.560 you can also go to if you use any online, 134 00:07:14.600 --> 00:07:17.399 I have a website that's just DR like doctor Shelby 135 00:07:17.439 --> 00:07:19.639 Harris dot com. And I also do a lot on Instagram. 136 00:07:19.680 --> 00:07:23.000 So at sleep Doc Shelby where every Wednesday I do 137 00:07:23.079 --> 00:07:26.240 a Q and A where people can ask general questions 138 00:07:26.439 --> 00:07:27.519 and you can always. 139 00:07:27.279 --> 00:07:27.959 Ask me there. 140 00:07:28.199 --> 00:07:30.360 But you can do that, and then, like I said, 141 00:07:30.399 --> 00:07:32.959 if you're looking for sleep help treatment there, you can 142 00:07:33.000 --> 00:07:35.160 always ask me there, and I can direct you towards 143 00:07:35.199 --> 00:07:37.680 certain directories that might be in your area where you 144 00:07:37.759 --> 00:07:39.199 might be able to find someone as well. 145 00:07:39.680 --> 00:07:45.319 Well. You're very helpful. The website. Your website is DR 146 00:07:45.439 --> 00:07:48.839 for doctor all lower case yes Shelby, s H E 147 00:07:48.959 --> 00:07:51.439 L B Y Harris, H A R R I S 148 00:07:51.519 --> 00:07:54.319 dot com and I got it's a link to books 149 00:07:54.319 --> 00:07:58.040 and materials. And I really appreciate you coming on tonight 150 00:07:58.079 --> 00:08:00.560 because there are a lot of people who were dealing 151 00:08:00.560 --> 00:08:04.279 with sleep issues and thank you for what you do, 152 00:08:04.519 --> 00:08:05.560 and thank you, thank. 153 00:08:05.399 --> 00:08:08.480 You, thank you. It's so common and there were really 154 00:08:08.480 --> 00:08:10.439 good treatments so don't ignore it. 155 00:08:10.560 --> 00:08:14.160 Sounds great, doctor Sheld, take care. Okay, Well, we get 156 00:08:14.160 --> 00:08:16.560 back when we talk with one of our own WBC 157 00:08:17.399 --> 00:08:23.319 sports reporter, Brian Intonelli about the Bruins fire sale. I 158 00:08:23.319 --> 00:08:26.160 guess would be one way to describe it. Last week, 159 00:08:26.199 --> 00:08:29.000 and then they turned around and they shut out the 160 00:08:29.040 --> 00:08:31.079 Tampa Bay Lightning, one of the better teams in the 161 00:08:31.120 --> 00:08:34.919 league for zip on I guess with Saturday. So it's 162 00:08:35.399 --> 00:08:38.200 lots going on in sports, and we'll check up with 163 00:08:38.279 --> 00:08:42.039 Brian Intonelly. By the way, if you have not already 164 00:08:42.200 --> 00:08:46.000 downloaded the new and improved iHeart app, we would encourage 165 00:08:46.000 --> 00:08:47.679 you to do so. 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Back talking a little hockey with Brian Antonelli 174 00:09:14.840 --> 00:09:15.759 right after the break. 175 00:09:17.000 --> 00:09:19.960 Now back to Dan Ray Live from the Window World 176 00:09:20.080 --> 00:09:24.919 Light Side Studios on WBZ News Radio for. 177 00:09:25.039 --> 00:09:27.480 The Bruins had a fire sale, yard sale, whatever you 178 00:09:27.519 --> 00:09:29.919 want to call it. Last week. They changed about a 179 00:09:29.960 --> 00:09:32.519 third of the roster in a period of a little 180 00:09:32.519 --> 00:09:36.000 over twenty four hours with us as WBZ News Radio 181 00:09:36.039 --> 00:09:40.559 sports reporter Brian Antonelli, Brian, I don't know about you, 182 00:09:40.679 --> 00:09:42.639 but I knew they were going to move some people. 183 00:09:42.679 --> 00:09:44.639 I didn't think they were could have moved that many people, 184 00:09:45.000 --> 00:09:47.279 But your what's your reaction players all this? 185 00:09:48.440 --> 00:09:50.919 Yeah, and they moved some players that were still under 186 00:09:50.960 --> 00:09:55.320 contract next year, like Brandon Carlow and Charlie Coyle. Everyone 187 00:09:55.440 --> 00:09:59.360 did think that march In was on the move or 188 00:09:59.639 --> 00:10:01.720 like Frederick was on the move. Both of them are 189 00:10:01.799 --> 00:10:05.039 unrestricted free agents after the year. But for them to 190 00:10:05.200 --> 00:10:08.919 move so many of their veterans, it does feel more 191 00:10:09.000 --> 00:10:09.879 like a fire sale. 192 00:10:10.759 --> 00:10:13.720 Well, of course, ironically, they came out was it Saturday? 193 00:10:13.720 --> 00:10:18.639 They played in Tampa Bay, uh, and they threw a shutout, 194 00:10:19.440 --> 00:10:22.960 had a pretty good Lightning team. It looked to me 195 00:10:23.039 --> 00:10:26.960 as if they might have gotten a lucky goal here 196 00:10:27.039 --> 00:10:29.519 or there. That second goal was kind of deflected in 197 00:10:29.559 --> 00:10:31.600 the Tampa Bay goal. I don't know he was sleeping, 198 00:10:31.919 --> 00:10:35.399 sleeping at that point. But they played a dark, good 199 00:10:35.399 --> 00:10:36.799 game and now they come back here, they got to 200 00:10:36.799 --> 00:10:38.759 face the Panthers without Marshan. 201 00:10:39.279 --> 00:10:41.360 Without Marshan, Yeah, I mean. 202 00:10:41.279 --> 00:10:43.320 Wouldn't it be ironic? I mean, this team is only 203 00:10:43.360 --> 00:10:45.360 a couple of points out of one of the wildcard spots. 204 00:10:45.360 --> 00:10:47.200 Wouldn't it be ironic if they went in a run 205 00:10:47.240 --> 00:10:48.240 and they made the playoffs? 206 00:10:49.440 --> 00:10:49.960 Yeah? They have. 207 00:10:50.159 --> 00:10:52.840 I mean, so they they've played more games than the 208 00:10:52.879 --> 00:10:54.519 other teams in front of them, and they are a 209 00:10:54.559 --> 00:10:56.840 couple points back. That does make it tough and the 210 00:10:57.120 --> 00:10:59.600 trailing like like I think five or six teams for 211 00:10:59.759 --> 00:11:02.919 that on a wild card spot. But this also gets 212 00:11:02.919 --> 00:11:06.600 back into they waited way too long to make these moves, 213 00:11:07.120 --> 00:11:09.960 because it does seem like the team is more relaxed 214 00:11:10.000 --> 00:11:13.360 now knowing that the trade deadline is behind them. They 215 00:11:13.399 --> 00:11:16.559 went weeks being asked about the trade deadline almost daily, 216 00:11:16.720 --> 00:11:19.720 the coach being asked about it, and they all seemed 217 00:11:20.039 --> 00:11:23.039 very uneased about it. Maybe now that it's gone, they 218 00:11:23.039 --> 00:11:25.600 can focus on hockey again, or maybe they'll win a 219 00:11:25.600 --> 00:11:27.919 couple of games and then Water finds its level again. 220 00:11:29.039 --> 00:11:31.720 Yeah. Obviously it's a small sample size with one game, 221 00:11:31.840 --> 00:11:34.720 of course, game in Tampa, there's no question about that. 222 00:11:34.919 --> 00:11:37.080 Now the question has to be focused. You talk about 223 00:11:37.120 --> 00:11:40.279 coach Joe Sacke or interim coach Joe Sacke interim coach, Yeah, 224 00:11:40.360 --> 00:11:43.120 I wonder what the future holds for him if this 225 00:11:43.240 --> 00:11:46.200 team doesn't make the playoffs. He inherited the team in November, 226 00:11:46.240 --> 00:11:51.120 obviously from Jim Montgomery, and that nothing much happened in 227 00:11:51.159 --> 00:11:53.080 the next three or four months. They kind of just 228 00:11:53.200 --> 00:11:56.159 went along. You know what amazes me is there they 229 00:11:56.159 --> 00:12:00.240 are down like between goals four and goals against. They're 230 00:12:00.279 --> 00:12:04.799 in the negative by a wand like forty goals they've had. 231 00:12:04.919 --> 00:12:08.759 That is unbelievable that a Bruins team could be down 232 00:12:08.879 --> 00:12:09.600 forty goals. 233 00:12:10.639 --> 00:12:13.200 They've had a lot of games where they've allowed six, 234 00:12:13.480 --> 00:12:16.440 seven to eight goals. It seems like when they're being 235 00:12:16.480 --> 00:12:19.080 blown out, it's not that they just give up, but 236 00:12:19.279 --> 00:12:23.000 they'll they'll pull the goalie down by three or third 237 00:12:23.080 --> 00:12:25.720 periods just completely get away from them. There was a 238 00:12:25.759 --> 00:12:28.639 stretch where they got beat on a road trip like 239 00:12:28.720 --> 00:12:32.759 eighteen to two. So it does seem like when when 240 00:12:32.799 --> 00:12:35.240 the snowball starts to fall down the hill, it does 241 00:12:35.279 --> 00:12:39.039 begin to Avalanche, and this team might not have had 242 00:12:39.519 --> 00:12:42.559 the talent on the roster, the leadership in the locker room, 243 00:12:42.639 --> 00:12:45.519 the coaching to weather those types of storms. 244 00:12:46.440 --> 00:12:49.360 Well, they also people, you know, forget you know, Patrice 245 00:12:49.440 --> 00:12:51.960 Bergeron has only been gone, you know, a couple year 246 00:12:52.000 --> 00:12:55.840 and a half now, David Kraichi, they were players who 247 00:12:55.960 --> 00:12:59.000 left at the top of their game. I'm in my opinion, 248 00:12:59.080 --> 00:13:03.000 so you use subtract those guys. What are you making 249 00:13:03.039 --> 00:13:05.360 it up with again, I'm looking at the trades here. 250 00:13:05.720 --> 00:13:09.759 The Carlo trade has some potential. Minton was a high 251 00:13:09.799 --> 00:13:12.039 draft choice to get a first round draft choice in 252 00:13:12.039 --> 00:13:15.639 two thousand and six. They're not gonna get much from Marshand, 253 00:13:15.720 --> 00:13:17.919 I don't think. And then the question is going to 254 00:13:18.000 --> 00:13:21.480 be what does march Haan do once on June fifteenth 255 00:13:21.480 --> 00:13:23.919 comes and the season is over. Either he's going to 256 00:13:24.000 --> 00:13:27.879 celebrate a Stalley Cup with the Panthers or he'll begin 257 00:13:28.240 --> 00:13:30.919 talking with the Bruins about reupping with the Bruins. I 258 00:13:30.960 --> 00:13:31.600 think he'll probably. 259 00:13:31.679 --> 00:13:34.039 I don't think he's gonna be re upping with the Bruins. 260 00:13:34.440 --> 00:13:37.600 Can you think of any player in any sport that 261 00:13:37.960 --> 00:13:41.120 left it or was traded and then came back to 262 00:13:41.200 --> 00:13:43.919 the team in the off season the next year. Because 263 00:13:43.960 --> 00:13:48.320 I've been rattling my brains since Friday about this and 264 00:13:48.360 --> 00:13:51.039 I can't think of one. Because the one that everyone 265 00:13:51.120 --> 00:13:54.399 always thought might happen was when the Red Sox traded 266 00:13:54.480 --> 00:13:57.200 John Lester, that then they would go out and get 267 00:13:57.279 --> 00:14:00.679 John Lester in the off season, but that obviously didn't happen. 268 00:14:01.559 --> 00:14:04.559 I think baseball is different from hockey, to be honest 269 00:14:04.600 --> 00:14:07.960 with you, and I think that the money in baseball 270 00:14:08.200 --> 00:14:10.639 is a little bit better than the money in hunt. 271 00:14:10.879 --> 00:14:13.519 I know, but I also I also think that hockey 272 00:14:13.519 --> 00:14:19.000 players are are a bit more prideful when they're offered 273 00:14:19.039 --> 00:14:23.480 a contract that they think not insulting. But Don Sweeney 274 00:14:23.559 --> 00:14:27.799 talked about having having the gap in their negotiations, and 275 00:14:27.879 --> 00:14:30.519 if the gaps were that big, I don't think Marshan 276 00:14:30.720 --> 00:14:35.960 comes back here looking for they've I've seen reports of 277 00:14:36.159 --> 00:14:39.120 he got offered something similar to the AAV that he's 278 00:14:39.159 --> 00:14:42.360 making right now, but he wanted something more than that, 279 00:14:42.840 --> 00:14:45.159 and maybe he looked at some free agents that the 280 00:14:45.200 --> 00:14:48.399 Bruins have signed in the past off seasons, like say 281 00:14:48.919 --> 00:14:52.440 Elias Linholm, who's making close to eight million dollars, and 282 00:14:52.480 --> 00:14:54.399 he said, I want something like he's making. 283 00:14:55.559 --> 00:14:58.480 Yeah, but again, well we'll see. Let you and I 284 00:14:58.559 --> 00:15:05.879 plan a another session, Honor about July fifteenth, when those 285 00:15:06.559 --> 00:15:09.399 resignings occur. I remember early in the year I talk 286 00:15:09.480 --> 00:15:11.639 with Kevin Paul DuPont and we were talking about when 287 00:15:11.679 --> 00:15:16.000 Pasternak was kind of lingering around fifteen goals and you know, 288 00:15:17.080 --> 00:15:19.840 you know people do sort of seek their level, and 289 00:15:19.879 --> 00:15:22.279 I said, look, you know he'll have his thirty. Of course, 290 00:15:22.320 --> 00:15:25.240 he's going to have probably thirty five, maybe even forty 291 00:15:25.279 --> 00:15:28.399 before the season is over. I don't know. I think 292 00:15:29.240 --> 00:15:33.879 the ad that marsh And wrote or published in the 293 00:15:33.879 --> 00:15:37.120 Boston Globe today, I think was pretty heartfelt. Yeah, and 294 00:15:37.720 --> 00:15:40.960 you know, no, Boston is a lot closer than to 295 00:15:41.480 --> 00:15:46.320 his home Turiff. He's a Nova Scotia guy, right, If 296 00:15:46.320 --> 00:15:49.200 I'm not mistaken, then he would be if he was 297 00:15:49.240 --> 00:15:51.759 going to go play for the Utah whatever the name 298 00:15:51.799 --> 00:15:53.960 of that hockey club is going to be. I don't 299 00:15:53.960 --> 00:15:58.519 know it's going to make. Is that what they're going 300 00:15:58.559 --> 00:15:59.159 to call themselves? 301 00:15:59.200 --> 00:16:02.360 The Utah that I had, that's one of the options. 302 00:16:02.399 --> 00:16:04.440 I think they have three options, and that's one of them. 303 00:16:04.639 --> 00:16:07.480 Yeah, I was hoping the Utah Mormons. Maybe I don't know, 304 00:16:09.440 --> 00:16:12.480 you know that that it just it was weird. This 305 00:16:12.559 --> 00:16:15.080 season one was just the Utah Hockey Club and obviously 306 00:16:15.159 --> 00:16:19.879 they have formerly the Phoenix Coyotes. Uh, maybe they could 307 00:16:19.919 --> 00:16:24.000 have called him the Utah Skiers. We'll see the mammoth 308 00:16:24.000 --> 00:16:25.759 would be good, that would be good. We got the 309 00:16:25.840 --> 00:16:29.080 krack and we got the Sharks, so we can keep 310 00:16:29.120 --> 00:16:31.480 it in kind of the animal kingdom out there out 311 00:16:31.480 --> 00:16:34.600 there in the West. Brian Antonelli as always, so you're 312 00:16:34.639 --> 00:16:39.000 predicting Brad is not coming back to the Bruins. 313 00:16:39.240 --> 00:16:42.200 And correct. I think he's. I think he's gonna sign elsewhere. 314 00:16:42.240 --> 00:16:44.799 And even if he does sign for something similar to 315 00:16:44.879 --> 00:16:47.679 what he was playing with here, which is roughly six 316 00:16:47.720 --> 00:16:51.279 and a like six and change six point three average 317 00:16:51.320 --> 00:16:54.399 annual value, I think he's gonna look somewhere else if 318 00:16:54.440 --> 00:16:55.559 it's something similar to that. 319 00:16:56.240 --> 00:16:58.600 Yeah, well of course, remember we got the millionaires tax 320 00:16:58.600 --> 00:17:00.960 in Massachusetts, so that's gonna take an extra bite. So 321 00:17:01.039 --> 00:17:03.399 if it's close, you might be right. You never know. 322 00:17:03.799 --> 00:17:05.680 Brian is always great to hear. You've always great to 323 00:17:05.720 --> 00:17:08.720 talk with you see at the gym, see my dad 324 00:17:09.240 --> 00:17:11.599 all right, come it up right after the break here 325 00:17:11.640 --> 00:17:14.079 at the eight thirty newscast. At the bottom of the hour, 326 00:17:14.519 --> 00:17:16.720 we're going to talk about the virus that took the 327 00:17:16.799 --> 00:17:23.039 life of Gene Hackman's wife, Betsy Arakawa. It's Hanta virus 328 00:17:23.039 --> 00:17:28.880 and it sounds like pretty nasty stuff. This whole death 329 00:17:29.160 --> 00:17:34.079 of both of these fine people, Gene Hackman and Betsy Arakawa, 330 00:17:35.240 --> 00:17:41.160 tragic in so many ways. And how people get so 331 00:17:41.440 --> 00:17:46.319 isolated that nobody was checking on them for days. Just 332 00:17:47.480 --> 00:17:50.799 it's a crazy story. But the theory is that the 333 00:17:51.400 --> 00:17:53.759 wife was dead for a week. We'll get to all 334 00:17:53.799 --> 00:17:57.039 of that with our guest, doctor Shirah Deron, chief Infection 335 00:17:57.160 --> 00:18:01.720 Control Officer for Toff's Medicine and hospital epidemiologist at Tuft's 336 00:18:01.880 --> 00:18:02.640 Medical Center. 337 00:18:05.200 --> 00:18:09.880 With Dan Ray, I'mbzy Boston's News Radio. 338 00:18:10.599 --> 00:18:14.440 Thank you very much, Nicole. We have all been following 339 00:18:14.519 --> 00:18:17.960 for the last couple of weeks the tragic story the 340 00:18:18.000 --> 00:18:22.039 death of the great actor Oscar winning actor Gene Hackman 341 00:18:22.880 --> 00:18:27.640 and his wife Betsy Arakawa at their home in New Mexico. 342 00:18:28.000 --> 00:18:30.680 With us is doctor Shira Derome. She's the chief infects 343 00:18:30.720 --> 00:18:34.920 your Control officer for Tufts Medicine and a hospital epidemiologist 344 00:18:34.960 --> 00:18:39.279 at Tuft's Medical Center, and the word is doc. First 345 00:18:39.279 --> 00:18:41.880 of all, doctor Jerome, welcome back to Night's side. Thanks 346 00:18:41.920 --> 00:18:43.759 so much for joining us, for joining us. How are 347 00:18:43.759 --> 00:18:44.200 you tonight? 348 00:18:44.799 --> 00:18:46.920 Great, wonderful to be back with you. 349 00:18:46.960 --> 00:18:51.839 Great, Thank you very much. So. The autopsy suggested that 350 00:18:53.079 --> 00:18:56.920 I guess Betsy Arkawa, hoping you'm pronouncing your name correctly, 351 00:18:57.319 --> 00:19:00.640 died of something called hintavirus, which I'd never heard of, 352 00:19:01.240 --> 00:19:04.519 and that Gene Hackman, who was suffering from some form 353 00:19:04.559 --> 00:19:09.799 of dementia, was found dead in the home as well, 354 00:19:10.000 --> 00:19:14.359 and some are suggesting that their deaths were about a 355 00:19:14.400 --> 00:19:20.160 week apart. Tragic, tragic, tragic at so many levels. Let's 356 00:19:21.400 --> 00:19:25.359 does that sequence seem reasonable to you? And again, I 357 00:19:25.400 --> 00:19:28.079 know that you haven't been involved in the investigation or 358 00:19:28.119 --> 00:19:31.359 the autopsy, but is that a reasonable sequence you think? 359 00:19:32.319 --> 00:19:35.680 Well, you know, I can't really comment on what happened 360 00:19:36.559 --> 00:19:41.480 with him, but you know, this is a pretty surprising 361 00:19:41.599 --> 00:19:49.039 diagnosis obviously for her huntavirus very rare, so only eight 362 00:19:49.200 --> 00:19:53.200 hundred and sixty four cases ever reported in the history 363 00:19:53.200 --> 00:19:57.519 of the United States since surveillance began in nineteen ninety three. 364 00:19:57.759 --> 00:20:01.960 That makes it really rare, but it is most common 365 00:20:02.400 --> 00:20:04.880 in New Mexico. So they've had one hundred and twenty 366 00:20:04.880 --> 00:20:07.160 two cases, and that's the largest number that we have 367 00:20:08.000 --> 00:20:09.240 out of all of the states. 368 00:20:09.640 --> 00:20:13.200 Which and again the reports, and we're both kind of 369 00:20:13.200 --> 00:20:16.119 in the dark hair, and I'm asking unscripted questions, as 370 00:20:16.200 --> 00:20:19.359 I always do. She apparently was found in according to 371 00:20:19.400 --> 00:20:23.039 the reports I read, in the kitchen with some medications, 372 00:20:23.079 --> 00:20:30.039 some pills spilled on the floor. Is hantavirus if it's untreated, 373 00:20:30.559 --> 00:20:33.799 is it always going to be fatal? Or could it 374 00:20:33.839 --> 00:20:35.960 be that she was suffering with something and she didn't 375 00:20:36.000 --> 00:20:37.039 realize what it was. 376 00:20:37.680 --> 00:20:41.640 Well, most people don't go untreated, so it's really hard 377 00:20:41.680 --> 00:20:44.559 to say, you know what the natural course would be 378 00:20:44.599 --> 00:20:47.720 if you got no supportive care at all? Right, So 379 00:20:48.279 --> 00:20:51.079 you know, supportive care meaning you know, being in a hospital, 380 00:20:51.119 --> 00:20:55.440 getting oxygen, getting intravenous fluids. Those are the kinds of 381 00:20:55.480 --> 00:20:58.119 things that we can do for somebody who has, you know, 382 00:20:58.119 --> 00:21:01.839 a viral illness, which typically what happens with hantavirus is 383 00:21:01.880 --> 00:21:05.240 that if it goes to the lungs, if it causes pneumonia, 384 00:21:05.279 --> 00:21:09.599 and we certainly we know that other viruses, COVID flu. 385 00:21:10.000 --> 00:21:12.759 You know, once they involve the lower parts of the lungs, 386 00:21:12.759 --> 00:21:15.720 they can be quite dangerous and hauntavirus once it gets 387 00:21:15.759 --> 00:21:19.079 into the lungs has a pretty high mortality rate, and 388 00:21:19.160 --> 00:21:21.160 so you know, the way to avoid that is obviously 389 00:21:21.200 --> 00:21:24.079 getting to a doctor, getting to a hospital and getting 390 00:21:24.119 --> 00:21:27.519 some of that supportive care oxygen, maybe a mechanical ventilator 391 00:21:27.519 --> 00:21:31.279 if you need it, until your body, you know, controls 392 00:21:31.319 --> 00:21:34.079 the infection. But unfortunately she didn't get that care. 393 00:21:37.319 --> 00:21:40.279 Let's talk about it's a real disease. You said eight 394 00:21:40.400 --> 00:21:43.880 hundred and fifty four cases in the last thirty or 395 00:21:43.920 --> 00:21:46.519 so years. That works out to less than thirty cases 396 00:21:46.519 --> 00:21:51.599 a year. My understanding is that it's spread through rep 397 00:21:51.720 --> 00:21:54.759 through droppings of rodents. Is that how it's spread. 398 00:21:55.200 --> 00:22:00.759 Right droppings You're in saliva, so you know, typically we're 399 00:22:00.799 --> 00:22:06.359 talking about somebody coming upon often an enclosed space that's 400 00:22:06.400 --> 00:22:09.640 got a you know, a nest or someplace with a 401 00:22:09.720 --> 00:22:12.640