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Speaker 2: So I'm digging here to see if there's any added
Speaker 2: details to this mess with George Mason basketball. And you
Speaker 2: may be wondering why the hell we're talking about George
Speaker 2: Mason basketball, and it's because they have found themselves in
Speaker 2: a fire festival type situation. So they showed up to
Speaker 2: the airport today to fly to the Bahamas for a
Speaker 2: trip similar to the trip that Louisville just went on,
Speaker 2: where they went to the Bahamas for about five six days,
Speaker 2: played two games, and by even taking this trip, that
Speaker 2: allowed for ten extra practices, which is super beneficial. These
Speaker 2: trips are very common. In fact, I think a lot
Speaker 2: of people didn't realize how common they are because around
Speaker 2: here Louisville hadn't gone on one since Rick Patino was
Speaker 2: here in twenty fifteen, so it's been a while. Well,
Speaker 2: the group, it's called V. I don't know if it's
Speaker 2: called V two or V. I can't tell. Let me
Speaker 2: just go to their website, although it's probably yeah, revived
Speaker 2: by the V group is the company that put this
Speaker 2: thing together. And I don't even know how you would
Speaker 2: describe like what this company is as far are they
Speaker 2: are they marketing? Are they? I mean, I really don't know.
Speaker 2: But for example, when Louisville went to the OAS and
Speaker 2: they went to the Bahamar of the Bahamaer resort last week,
Speaker 2: and when they went to the Bahamar tournament in the
Speaker 2: twenty twenty two season when they won despite that being
Speaker 2: a really bad year, there's a yeah, there's a he's
Speaker 2: found the company because they're they're they're legit, They're not
Speaker 2: you know, it's it's the b D Group. In fact,
Speaker 2: I think they're actually locally they're locally owned. But it's
Speaker 2: a I guess a promotional promoter, event planner type company
Speaker 2: and they've done it for a long time, and uh,
Speaker 2: you know they're good partners. Louisville and other local schools
Speaker 2: have been a part of events that they've done. And
Speaker 2: it's called BDG Sports. Well, I guess the company similar
Speaker 2: to that is the one that I don't want to
Speaker 2: say they scammed them, but some I mean they dropped
Speaker 2: the ball, and that's probably putting it lightly. So this
Speaker 2: team showed up thinking they're going on a trip to
Speaker 2: the Bahamas to play a couple of games, just like
Speaker 2: you know Louisville did last week, and they find out
Speaker 2: that like there's no there's no flights planned, there's no booked,
Speaker 2: like it's all not happening. So Jeff Goodman is the
Speaker 2: latest that I've seen that has some added details here.
Speaker 2: He says that the organizer of the George Mason trip
Speaker 2: to Bahamas, his name is Chris Williams, and he told
Speaker 2: the field of sixty eighth that he takes full responsibility
Speaker 2: for the cancelation of the trip. He said of the
Speaker 2: company he outsourced the flights, never booked them, but the
Speaker 2: hotels and games were booked and scheduled, but because of
Speaker 2: the flights, everything had to be canceled. He also went
Speaker 2: on to say that there is no truth to them
Speaker 2: finding out last minute, so he's kind of claiming that, well,
Speaker 2: this actually wasn't as big of you know, they were
Speaker 2: notified I guess beforehand to where, but there was no
Speaker 2: I don't know. I have a hard time believing that, Like,
Speaker 2: I don't know. I guess we'll probably never know the uh,
Speaker 2: you know, the exact details here. But my guess would
Speaker 2: be is that they had everything planned so they thought,
Speaker 2: meaning like we've got are flights arranged, although again, if
Speaker 2: they've never been booked, then you don't have an itinerary.
Speaker 2: And who would think that you were going on this
Speaker 2: trip if you haven't received any travel details as far
Speaker 2: as your flight time and all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 2: So again, there's a lot of unanswered questions that probably
Speaker 2: will never get the answer to it. Honestly, I guess
Speaker 2: it doesn't matter. But for me, like, I just don't
Speaker 2: know how it could get to this point where you
Speaker 2: don't even announce it, Like I don't think George Mason
Speaker 2: said anything until like earlier today that like, yeah, it's
Speaker 2: not happening. My guess would be that they were trying
Speaker 2: to scramble and see if they could find arrangements to
Speaker 2: arrive in the Bahamas. But that's not easy to do
Speaker 2: when you're taking an entire basketball program, probably a lot
Speaker 2: of staffers from your athletic department, and then I guess
Speaker 2: they probably have some doubts if the other teams are
Speaker 2: even there to play. Like that's one of the things
Speaker 2: that eventually it'll come out, right, Like is this guy
Speaker 2: legit saying that the issue is all on the company
Speaker 2: he outsourced to book the flights or did he just
Speaker 2: like completely scam people, Because you got to keep in
Speaker 2: mind they paid money for this, like the program, the university,
Speaker 2: George Mason paid money for this. Like there's no you
Speaker 2: don't do this free. And the middleman is this promotional company,
Speaker 2: this event planning company, promoter that that does all the
Speaker 2: work and they don't do it for free. That's their business, right,
Speaker 2: So Like, I don't know if he's gonna get give
Speaker 2: have to give money. I'm sure he's gonna have to
Speaker 2: give money back. But again, this is probably something that
Speaker 2: not a lot of people really care about. But I
Speaker 2: have a feeling that this is that there's that one
Speaker 2: of the things that will make this guy either look
Speaker 2: like it was just a common or it was just
Speaker 2: a complete goof by the company he outsourced the book
Speaker 2: the flights, Like that'll be pretty easy to determine if,
Speaker 2: in fact, you later find out that they did have
Speaker 2: arrange they did have arrangements at the resort in the Bahamas,
Speaker 2: and they also had teams there to play. And the
Speaker 2: only dropping of the ball is that the flights weren't booked.
Speaker 2: Because that that still sucks, and you're still responsible because
Speaker 2: you outsourced a company that apparently dropped the ball. But
Speaker 2: like that's a whole different situation than like everybody thought
Speaker 2: this was real and it wasn't anything at all what
Speaker 2: you claim to be. Similar to the fire festival that
Speaker 2: took place many years ago that I'm sure a lot
Speaker 2: of you are familiar with. But to know that some
Speaker 2: athletic department folks from George Mason and Boosters alumni, I mean,
Speaker 2: they apparently had a group of like thirty alumn from
Speaker 2: you know, probably around the area where George Mason is
Speaker 2: or maybe out elsewhere in the country. Because you know,
Speaker 2: you don't always end up living and starting your career
Speaker 2: in your life where you went to college. But man,
Speaker 2: this is probably not a normal thing where you know,
Speaker 2: George Mason's a pretty small school. What are they in
Speaker 2: the in the Atlantic ten? I guess they're in the
Speaker 2: Atlantic ten.
Speaker 3: Do you know, John sounds correct? Or are they in
Speaker 3: the CAA or I was thinking the Colonial which is
Speaker 3: no longer called the COS the Coastal Athletic comp Yes,
Speaker 3: I think Colonial offensive for some reason.
Speaker 2: Oh no, they're in Uh George Mason is in the
Speaker 2: A ten. Okay, I would have never guessed that. Maybe,
Speaker 2: well let me do it. Let me double check here,
Speaker 2: because they're one of those school Yeah, they are in
Speaker 2: the A ten. Because there's some schools that are in
Speaker 2: multiple different commerces depending on the sport. Right, it's like
Speaker 2: they're in the Atlantic ten for for primary sports, which
Speaker 2: is basketball, volleyball, but they're also in like the Mid
Speaker 2: American for wrestling in soccer. It looks like so you know,
Speaker 2: if you are, I mean, this is this just sucks.
Speaker 2: Imagine being an alum who went to George Mason that
Speaker 2: is located in Fairfax, Virginia, and you now live, like
Speaker 2: I don't know, in Buffalo, New York, and you're you're
Speaker 2: an accountant or something, and you're like, Wow, man, I'm
Speaker 2: really excited about the future of our basketball program. They're
Speaker 2: going on this Bahamas trip. I want to go. Who
Speaker 2: wouldn't want to go to the Bahamas and spend a
Speaker 2: week on vacation and oh, by the way, I get
Speaker 2: to watch the Patriots play my team. And then you're
Speaker 2: there waiting for them to arrive, only to find out
Speaker 2: that none of it's real. Like this could be a
Speaker 2: I mean, this could be a really cool documentary. To
Speaker 2: be honest with you, I mean, I guess it would
Speaker 2: be sort of similar to what you see at the
Speaker 2: fire festival. But I would love to be for somebody
Speaker 2: to get feedback from those that are already there waiting,
Speaker 2: like did you show up and realize, wait a second,
Speaker 2: there's no promotional stuff. There's nothing here that indicates they're
Speaker 2: going to play basketball at this Bahamas resort, Like are
Speaker 2: we at the right place?
Speaker 4: Like?
Speaker 2: I don't know, I just I would have loved to
Speaker 2: have been a fly on the wall as George Mason
Speaker 2: officials slowly and surely started to realize we might have
Speaker 2: got dooped, we might have got scammed. Now, for what
Speaker 2: it's worth, this isn't just some random company. They have
Speaker 2: put on events before that that have been you know, successful,
Speaker 2: meaning where they've not been canceled. So yeah, this is
Speaker 2: this is a statement from the actual promoter company that
Speaker 2: you know dropped the ball. Here we deep with deep regret,
Speaker 2: we announce the cancelation of the George Mason men's basketball
Speaker 2: team toward of the Bahamas this summer. We take full
Speaker 2: accountability for this outcome and understand the impact on all involved.
Speaker 2: We sincerely apologize. Full statement uh incoming shortly And they
Speaker 2: turned off comments as you as you could expect, because
Speaker 2: you know, I don't know what would be the point
Speaker 2: of turn off comments to that. I mean, I guess
Speaker 2: to keep people from spewing their thoughts that are probably
Speaker 2: legit that you know that's a big, big issue for
Speaker 2: you as a company, But they can still quote tweet it.
Speaker 2: Like one of the things I don't understand about turning
Speaker 2: off comments. You ever notice that, John, Yeah, I do
Speaker 2: know that's a thing because people are more inclined to
Speaker 2: quote tweet you if they really want to share with
Speaker 2: their followers that they're dunking on you.
Speaker 3: And I feel like quote treating it or quote tweeting,
Speaker 3: I should say, is is more kind of more of
Speaker 3: an exposure, I guess.
Speaker 2: Than yeah simple reply. Yeah, yeah, it's true because I
Speaker 2: mean you can just go look at the like the
Speaker 2: responses when people reply, but people got to go digging
Speaker 2: for that. If I'm following somebody and they're quote tweeting it,
Speaker 2: sharing it and then putting thoughts on it, that's to
Speaker 2: their whole audience. So it is a little bit different.
Speaker 2: All right, is Coffee and Company again where Phil Beth
Speaker 2: Thornton's here on Sports Talk seven ninety towards the end
Speaker 2: of the show yesterday. It was actually exciting. I mean,
Speaker 2: we've had a few instances where we were watching a
Speaker 2: game live while on the air, John, That's right. One
Speaker 2: was the Indiana Louisville game where that damn Mike Woodson
Speaker 2: tricked Kenny Payne. Remember that?
Speaker 3: What a what a con man?
Speaker 2: Yeah, you tricked me by going to his zone and
Speaker 2: I'd forgotten that. Louell, Well, if you remember we were
Speaker 2: on the air together and Louisville was in control of
Speaker 2: that game. They were up like eight with like four
Speaker 2: minutes left. Do you remember that.
Speaker 3: I remember it being closed?
Speaker 2: Oh, we were sweating more than a little Louisville. Yes, exactly,
Speaker 2: because that's what it was. That's when it hit me.
Speaker 2: It's like, you know, the day before, Louisville nearly beat Texas,
Speaker 2: which would have been a big win for them, and
Speaker 2: they played well and nobody knew what to do because
Speaker 2: it's like, you know, and again, I can say this now,
Speaker 2: and I think I'm pretty sure I said it then
Speaker 2: because I didn't really hold back when it comes to
Speaker 2: my thoughts about Louisville basketball in that era. I think
Speaker 2: we all know that, but I remember thinking to myself
Speaker 2: like that said that, that's a bad look for you,
Speaker 2: Guinea Payne, Like how can you lose to Kentucky Wesley
Speaker 2: and then play Kansas or play Texas that close? Like
Speaker 2: you're a bum? That's what I thought. I'm sure I
Speaker 2: didn't say those exact words, but it also hit me
Speaker 2: in real time. I was doing the show from home
Speaker 2: because we were going to be doing the postgame show later,
Speaker 2: you know, into the evening, and I remember thinking like, wow,
Speaker 2: like this is how bad we are. John is just
Speaker 2: like trying to avoid the ultimate andmbarrassment. Then Indiana basketball
Speaker 2: would go through if they lose to Louisville, which is true,
Speaker 2: Like it would have been really embarrassing, right, because that probably.
Speaker 3: Would have been Kenny Payne's marquee win up to that point.
Speaker 2: Oh, absolutely would have been. There's no other win he
Speaker 2: has that was worth anything.
Speaker 4: Something.
Speaker 3: Maybe Miami, but again.
Speaker 2: Or if you remember, Miami sucked, they didn't be one
Speaker 2: of the worst teams in the ACC. That was his
Speaker 2: only road Winkay. Yeah, but like no, I mean Kenny
Speaker 2: Payne's best win was a Clemson team in his first
Speaker 2: year that won didn't make the tournament that year despite
Speaker 2: having a really good record, And I'm telling you there's
Speaker 2: no doubt in my mind the committee saw them sort
Speaker 2: of like fringe bubble with their metrics and say, well,
Speaker 2: they lost to Louisville, there's no way we're letting them in. Also,
Speaker 2: that same night was when they honored the twenty thirteen
Speaker 2: national championship team, which kind of gave you a vibe
Speaker 2: and an aura within the arena that they ain't losing
Speaker 2: that night, you know what I mean. Yes, So, anyways,
Speaker 2: the other game we watched live was the ending of
Speaker 2: the kp Era, which really wasn't exciting. It was just
Speaker 2: we were counting down. Kenny's gonna talk, and we're pretty
Speaker 2: sure this is the last Prescotts he's going to be doing. Yeah,
Speaker 2: let's hear what he has to say. I don't need
Speaker 2: people jumping off the Titanic. Heavi said that. I still
Speaker 2: cannot believe that he said that. Man, I mean, it's insane.
Speaker 2: So anyways, yesterday I was watching the end of a
Speaker 2: game and I was on the edge of my seat,
Speaker 2: quite literally, because it looked as if Team you know,
Speaker 2: I started the hour looking at the score and I
Speaker 2: just couldn't imagine seeing Team US, say, down nearly twenty points.
Speaker 2: So my eyeballs tricked me and I couldn't see for
Speaker 2: what it really was. So I looked and just assumed, well,
Speaker 2: with that big of a that big of elite, it's
Speaker 2: surely going to be the United States team that's winning,
Speaker 2: not not Serbia. And I was wrong. So then I
Speaker 2: ended up pulling it up on YouTube TV here in
Speaker 2: my second monitor, watching as they're down seventeen eighteen points
Speaker 2: and slowly but surely they're coming back, and they pulled
Speaker 2: off a really impressive come from behind victory, which is
Speaker 2: the expectation, right The United States men's basketball team always
Speaker 2: is expected to win the Golden Great and more often
Speaker 2: than not, I mean, in fact, nearly almost every Olympics
Speaker 2: that I've been alive, that's exactly what's happened. So it
Speaker 2: was a rare situation that you don't want to be in,
Speaker 2: but it led to you being able to watch and
Speaker 2: consume the Olympics with our men's basketball team in a
Speaker 2: different situation that you probably will not see very often,
Speaker 2: where they have to really claw from behind, make big plays.
Speaker 2: The best players of my lifetime out there, Lebron James,
Speaker 2: Steph Curry, Kevin Durant. I mean, obviously those aren't all
Speaker 2: the great players, but we're talking about the elite of
Speaker 2: the elite, and they all came up big, dwell and
Speaker 2: be played well down the stretch, and it was just
Speaker 2: it was fun to watch that. So, you know, I'm
Speaker 2: hoping they can get by France and win the gold
Speaker 2: and you know, it's it's the expectation, it's what you want,
Speaker 2: and I think that's what they're going to do. But
Speaker 2: yesterday was kind of cool. But one thing that I
Speaker 2: did notice that I'm sure everybody else's noticed too, because
Speaker 2: it's become a big story, is Steve Kerr just refusing
Speaker 2: to play Jason Tatum. So Jason Tatum can't get off
Speaker 2: the bench with Steve Kerr. And I'm not a Jason
Speaker 2: Tatum fan. In fact, I don't really care for him.
Speaker 2: I don't I shouldn't say that I dislike him because
Speaker 2: I don't know him and he doesn't do anything to me.
Speaker 2: He's just kind of cringe. He's uncomfortable in the spotlight.
Speaker 2: But he's a super talented player, one of the best
Speaker 2: players in the NBA, fresh off of an NBA title,
Speaker 2: his first for Boston and Jaylen Brown was sensational in
Speaker 2: the postseason. Let's be real, Jason Tatum is their franchise player,
Speaker 2: and he is. I mean, he's one of the best
Speaker 2: players on this planet. Three time All NBA First Team
Speaker 2: I mean, he's special. That doesn't mean he should play
Speaker 2: every second, doesn't mean he has to start. But let's
Speaker 2: not act like it is not insanely unusual for him
Speaker 2: to not be able to get in the game. And
Speaker 2: Steve Kerr, if you remember, in the exhibition games prior
Speaker 2: to the Olympics, did the same thing, and he claimed
Speaker 2: he forgot I forgot I forgot to put him in
Speaker 2: and I think he could get away with saying that
Speaker 2: because they were probably beaten somebody about fifty and you know,
Speaker 2: it was a tight situation they were having to try
Speaker 2: to come back. But to me, it's hard to not
Speaker 2: see this as something personal. I mean, I don't know
Speaker 2: what it would be. I mean, obviously, Steve Kerr, his
Speaker 2: last championship, probably the last one he's gonna win, came
Speaker 2: against the Celtics whenever they won a few years ago.
Speaker 2: So I don't get it. Here's what he said though
Speaker 2: yesterday quote It's not about anything Jason is doing or
Speaker 2: not doing. It's just about combinations and the way that
Speaker 2: in the way that group has played together, the way
Speaker 2: Kevin has filled in since he came back from his injury.
Speaker 2: It's just a math problem more than anything. I give
Speaker 2: Steve Kerr a little bit of, you know, the benefit
Speaker 2: of the doubt here, because if you're playing for the
Speaker 2: United States and you are in the Olympics, you're gonna
Speaker 2: be on a team that has some of the best players. Sometimes. Ever,
Speaker 2: like I mean, I don't want to get into the
Speaker 2: whole dream team from ninety two debate compared to this one,
Speaker 2: because it's just silly. It's two different eras and it's
Speaker 2: just a nonsensical conversation. But this group here, I look
Speaker 2: at this group on paper up the bottom, maybe outside
Speaker 2: of Derek White and my pacer Tyrese Haliburton, and I'm
Speaker 2: not ready to throw Booker up there yet. But other
Speaker 2: than that, these are some of the best players that
Speaker 2: you know in the modern NBA in the last I
Speaker 2: don't know, five six, seven years. I mean, Drew Holliday.
Speaker 2: Some would say he doesn't belong just because he doesn't
Speaker 2: have that big of a brand, but yet look at
Speaker 2: what he's accomplished. I mean, he's sensational. So it's one.
Speaker 2: You know, it's true that you can't play everybody the
Speaker 2: same amount of minutes, and it's gonna be hard to
Speaker 2: get good lineups with great rhythm whenever the majority of
Speaker 2: the guys on your team are used to being the guy.
Speaker 2: That's why you bring in a guy like Derek White.
Speaker 2: Derek White's not even close to as accomplished or as
Speaker 2: talented as the rest of the guys on this team,
Speaker 2: but he's a perfect role player to replace Kawhi Leonard.
Speaker 2: So like I hear you, if I'm when it comes
Speaker 2: to Steve Kurr just kind of saying, like, you know,
Speaker 2: you can't play everybody. It's about how guys are jelling.
Speaker 2: But Jason Tatum isn't some random guy. He's a guy that,
Speaker 2: in my opinion, is in the conversation as one of
Speaker 2: the top four or five players in the NBA. And
Speaker 2: it's just hard for anybody to believe that this is
Speaker 2: just well, what are you gonna do? You can only
Speaker 2: play five guys and we've got so much talent now,
Speaker 2: like this is just this is just off. And I
Speaker 2: can't say I feel sorry for Jason Tatum because you know,
Speaker 2: he's doing all right. He'll be okay. He just signed
Speaker 2: a deal that I'm pretty sure made him the highest
Speaker 2: paid player in the NBA fresh off a championship. I mean,
Speaker 2: he's doing fine. I'm not I'm not losing sleep at
Speaker 2: night for him. But he has gone through embarrassment that, like,
Speaker 2: I don't think is fair to him. And you know,
Speaker 2: some people will say, well, hey, it doesn't matter, you
Speaker 2: do what your coach asks. You're representing Team USA like
Speaker 2: we're at war or something, and that's not I mean,
Speaker 2: that's not what this is. But he's he's become a
Speaker 2: storyline because this coach who coaches the Warriors refuses to
Speaker 2: play him and sorry, like, you can't tell me that
Speaker 2: you can't give Tatum a run when you take out
Speaker 2: Anthony Edwards, when you take out Devin Booker, when you
Speaker 2: take out Derek White, like it, it's just off now. Also,
Speaker 2: maybe there's something to be said that he does have
Speaker 2: so much respect for Tatum as a star player that
Speaker 2: if he knows he's only going to give him a
Speaker 2: few minutes here and there to kind of be that
Speaker 2: guy to give somebody a break. Maybe he knows that's
Speaker 2: beneath him and doesn't want to put him through that.
Speaker 2: That I could actually understand. But the way he's gone
Speaker 2: about describing it and explaining it it's just not is
Speaker 2: doesn't make a lot of sense. I mean, you've got
Speaker 2: other NBA players saying the same thing, like this just
Speaker 2: just this, something's up here. This ain't this isn't this
Speaker 2: isn't right. This doesn't make any sense. Bob Coosey's old
Speaker 2: ass is now getting involved, and you know, talking bad
Speaker 2: about Steve Kerr and Steve Kerr I don't I shouldn't
Speaker 2: say I dislike him, I just you know, I'm not
Speaker 2: a big fan, And I've always questioned how good of
Speaker 2: a coach he actually is because look at who he
Speaker 2: God never coached a second in his life. He left
Speaker 2: the broadcast booth to go coach Steph Curry and Klay
Speaker 2: Thompson in their prime, two guys that, honestly you could
Speaker 2: make the case that are two of the best shooters
Speaker 2: of all time, and they played for the same team
Speaker 2: at the same time, like and Andre Igudala, by the way,
Speaker 2: that time, was in his prime a really good player,
Speaker 2: and Kerr had nothing to do with putting that team together.
Speaker 2: That's all Rob Parker, not Rob Parker. That's the uh,
Speaker 2: that's the Guy's the name, Bob Myers. I want to
Speaker 2: say Rob Parker. He's a He's a host that you
Speaker 2: hear on Fox Sports Radio at night with Chris Bussard.
Speaker 2: So like, I don't know if I would have the
Speaker 2: same record as a coach if I was the guy
Speaker 2: coaching the Warriors instead of Steve Kerr, because I would
Speaker 2: not be that big of an idiot to say that
Speaker 2: I'm a better coach than Steve Kerr or as good
Speaker 2: of a coach, because look at his accomplishments in the
Speaker 2: world of basketball compared to mine. But I'm not I'm
Speaker 2: not afraid to sound like an idiot when I say this,
Speaker 2: because I know I sound like it. I could win
Speaker 2: with that team, you give me that in a seven
Speaker 2: game series against anybody when they were in their prime.
Speaker 2: I'm winning a title as the coach I am, especially
Speaker 2: when you had Kevin Durant. I mean, so that's not
Speaker 2: his fault, right, he can only coach who's on the team.
Speaker 2: Like he didn't anything wrong. But like, I just think
Speaker 2: in the end, this has actually not been a good
Speaker 2: Steve Kurerr is probably gonna win a gold medal, but
Speaker 2: I don't know if it's been a good look for
Speaker 2: Steve Kerr. All right, quick break, we'll come back on
Speaker 2: the other side. Let you hear about Dion Sanders continuing
Speaker 2: to just be a complete fool, and I'm here for
Speaker 2: it right here on Sports Talk seven ninety. I don't
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Speaker 2: I'm gonna guess it's Factory Boys.
Speaker 3: This is the best boy?
Speaker 2: But who which again? If you're just wondering while we're
Speaker 2: playing in sync in the Backstree Boys. There was a
Speaker 2: story that I referenced her earlier about how n syncs
Speaker 2: Bye Bye Bye song, which of course is a huge
Speaker 2: hit of theirs, is now back in the top twenty
Speaker 2: of the charts because it's been featured in a Marvel
Speaker 2: movie trailer. So the n SYNC Backstreet Boys era like
Speaker 2: it was, I mean, you couldn't find I mean, they
Speaker 2: were all over TV radio and at that point, the
Speaker 2: Internet really hadn't taken off to where like they were
Speaker 2: such a big deal. Regardless of your age, you knew
Speaker 2: who they were. You could probably recite every word to
Speaker 2: their songs even if you didn't want to. But they
Speaker 2: were just in your face, in your ears at all times.
Speaker 2: And I challenged myself to see if I could, if
Speaker 2: I could have John play songs from their deep cuts
Speaker 2: and figure out which one is which. And I got
Speaker 2: that one right. But it was more so because I
Speaker 2: could just tell it didn't sound much like n SYNC,
Speaker 2: but with the singers like Justin Timberlake and that guy
Speaker 2: named jac I feel like we're the guys who you
Speaker 2: mostly heard through n SYNC.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and Justin Timberlake's voice is instantly recognized.
Speaker 2: It sure, although at times, I feel like the JC
Speaker 2: guy was like, you know, a better singer on certain songs,
Speaker 2: Like he has a Christmas song where I'm like, Okay,
Speaker 2: maybe j T should have taken a back seat more
Speaker 2: often because my man J C. Chavez is just killing
Speaker 2: it and putting me in the Christmas spirit. Now, the
Speaker 2: Backstreet Boys, Nick Carter I feel like was the face
Speaker 2: of the of BSB, but I don't even know who'd be.
Speaker 2: Like a second, there's two dudes from did you know
Speaker 2: two of them are from Kentucky?
Speaker 3: I did not know that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Brian and uh I think his name is Brian Latrelle.
Speaker 2: And then there's the there's Kevin from the Backstreet Boys
Speaker 2: and he is a diehard UK fan from Lexington. He's
Speaker 2: actually been on Matt's show a bunch of times, and
Speaker 2: he doesn't want to talk about Backstree Boy stuff. He
Speaker 2: wants to talk about the Cats. He's like a big fan.
Speaker 2: But by the way, there's a there's a documentary on
Speaker 2: he's on Hulu of Nick Carter and his brother, and like,
Speaker 2: it doesn't paint Nick Carter in a very good light
Speaker 2: as far as some things he's been accused of. But
Speaker 2: if I remember correctly. I think the Backstreet Boys, like
Speaker 2: they were all not close to the same age. Maybe
Speaker 2: I'm wrong here, Like so Aj McClain he's forty six,
Speaker 2: Kevin Richardson fifty two, Nick Carter forty four, Howie, I
Speaker 2: don't even remember that guy, he's fifty. And then who's
Speaker 2: the other one, Brian Latrell, He's forty nine, So like
Speaker 2: there's an eight year difference between two of them. And
Speaker 2: I just feel like that when they were at their peak,
Speaker 2: you would have never guessed that. You would have all
Speaker 2: thought they were like kind of the same age, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean.
Speaker 3: It's kind of like actors that play high school characters
Speaker 3: really like in their early twenties.
Speaker 2: There are man, that's funny. There are some great there's
Speaker 2: some great TikTok videos, reels, whatever. You I think I
Speaker 2: might have saw it on an Instagram reel one time
Speaker 2: where somebody put together like a montage from movies and
Speaker 2: shows mostly in the eighties and nineties of people playing
Speaker 2: like sixteen year old kids and they looked like they
Speaker 2: were forty with a mortgage and five kids. Like it
Speaker 2: was crazy. I mean, honestly saved by the Bell cast
Speaker 2: like that jump. But I will say this in their defense,
Speaker 2: they were older than the age they were portrayed to
Speaker 2: be in some of those shows and movies. But I
Speaker 2: feel like people that were like eighteen nineteen back in
Speaker 2: back in the eighties looked like they were fifty.
Speaker 3: They did, you know what I mean, the hairstyles of
Speaker 3: that time. And obviously I didn't grow up, you did
Speaker 3: not the eighties with the nineties. Yeah, but for some reason,
Speaker 3: the big poofy hair makes people look tens.
Speaker 2: And facial hair in facial hair like go look at
Speaker 2: google it right now. John Richie Farmer Kentucky basketball mustache.
Speaker 2: Now again it's the facial hair that really does it
Speaker 2: for him. But Richie Farmer looked like he was playing
Speaker 2: for Kentucky in in the you know, the early nineties
Speaker 2: or late eighties, whatever it was. It looked as if
Speaker 2: he was out there as a fifty five year old
Speaker 2: diehard Kentucky fan. They just got a chance to play
Speaker 2: on the team with that mustache, like he looks like
Speaker 2: he was he was suiting up and playing for Rick
Speaker 2: Patino and then going home, you know, to take care
Speaker 2: of his high school children. Like that's what he looked like. Again,
Speaker 2: it's mostly just the facial hair, right, yes, but like
Speaker 2: if you go back and look at like not that
Speaker 2: anybody would ever do it, but go watch like randomly
Speaker 2: the nineteen eighty nine Final four if you can find it,
Speaker 2: and tell me those guys playing who were college kids
Speaker 2: don't look thirty years older than the guys that are
Speaker 2: playing right now in college that are actually the same age.
Speaker 2: It's a phenomenon.
Speaker 3: Did you grow up in the era of the soul patch?
Speaker 2: Like, meaning like when I like, was it popular when
Speaker 2: you were in high school? Oh? No, no, okay, I
Speaker 2: mean I feel like I'd have to be a lot older,
Speaker 2: wouldn't I.
Speaker 3: I just don't know what the For some reason, I
Speaker 3: equate it to being do you know what I'm talking about?
Speaker 1: The soul patch?
Speaker 2: I know exactly what a soul patch is, but I
Speaker 2: don't ever remember being a thing with like kids.
Speaker 3: Oh well, okay, I guess maybe it's more of an
Speaker 3: adult thing. Yeah, I mean second, because if that was
Speaker 3: like a high school and that that's kind of weird too, I.
Speaker 2: Feel, And honestly, there weren't many, Listen, I'm just not
Speaker 2: remembering correctly. I don't remember a lot of kids that
Speaker 2: I grew up with being able to pull off Like
Speaker 2: there was one kid who we went to school with
Speaker 2: that all throughout me knowing him, like even in middle school.
Speaker 2: He could grow a full beard. But like nobody else could,
Speaker 2: at least not that I can really remember. We'd get like,
Speaker 2: you know, like for me, I can only if I
Speaker 2: wanted to, like have something, I could do a mustache,
Speaker 2: but it would never be thick and it would look gross.
Speaker 2: It would look like I'm just you know, non farm
Speaker 2: not we are not well groomed. But one thing I
Speaker 2: could pull off, not that I would want to, I
Speaker 2: could pull off a soul patch. I mean meaning I
Speaker 2: could grow one. I don't when I say pull it off,
Speaker 2: I know it would probably look disgusting, but uh yeah,
Speaker 2: there was a there was a time where it wasn't
Speaker 2: that uncommon to see somebody completely bald, nothing but the
Speaker 2: soul patch.
Speaker 3: I think that Chris Dawtrey was in that category.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that I can't visualize it, but I think
Speaker 2: that sounds right. I think it sounds right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's got it if you look at it. All
Speaker 3: if you do is search Chris Dawtry soul patch and
Speaker 3: it's there.
Speaker 2: You could, like you could have a full grizzly Adam's beard,
Speaker 2: couldn't you. Yeah, it would take a while.
Speaker 3: And I'm the kind of person who and I've learned
Speaker 3: this because I've let it grow out before. I don't
Speaker 3: like it when it gets real bushy and kind of
Speaker 3: takes over the face, you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, like right now, I feel like the
Speaker 2: hair on your face is thicker than like, like not longer,
Speaker 2: but like, I feel like you've got a good balance
Speaker 2: now where the hair on your head and the hair
Speaker 2: on your Maybe it's just the camera I'm looking at,
Speaker 2: but I feel like your beard's got a pretty good
Speaker 2: base to it right now.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'd like to trim it up pretty soon though,
Speaker 3: because it's goods. I hate it. This is going to
Speaker 3: sound gross, but like whenever you can kind of feel
Speaker 3: the food in your.
Speaker 2: Girl, yeah, I mean I can't relate, but I can
Speaker 2: see that. I can see that feeling very gross. I
Speaker 2: really could, all right, So, like Dion Sanders, part of
Speaker 2: me says, if they continue to be irrelevant and suck,
Speaker 2: and there's more and more stories coming out about how
Speaker 2: dysfunctional things are at Colorado. I mean, there was a
Speaker 2: pretty salacious article put together by I think it was
Speaker 2: Mike Farrell yesterday or the day before about Colorado, meaning
Speaker 2: some of the some of the allegations have been made
Speaker 2: about just the culture there, and it's not a good look.
Speaker 2: Tough to know how legit all of it is. It's
Speaker 2: kind of a he said, she said stuff. But that's
Speaker 2: now the coverage of Colorado And if they don't win,
Speaker 2: and the noise continues to just be this kind of stuff, controversy, arrogance,
Speaker 2: entitlement with nothing, with no reason for said entitlement, Like
Speaker 2: will the college football media world continue to give them
Speaker 2: the attention that I don't believe that they're warrant that
Speaker 2: they're worthy of, Like how much longer can the Deon
Speaker 2: Sanders stick work if they don't win. There's a part
Speaker 2: of me that says it'll die off and like it'll
Speaker 2: just be a thing where, yeah, that didn't work out,
Speaker 2: we're moving on. But then also I give Dean Sanders credit.
Speaker 2: He has the ability to move the needle and bring
Speaker 2: eyeballs to him and his program whoever he's coaching, whatever
Speaker 2: he's doing, unlike anybody else. And I don't really get it,
Speaker 2: but I yes, you know, for that he's worthy of
Speaker 2: of you know, uh, some some credit because it's just
Speaker 2: not you know, it's not it's not something I've ever
Speaker 2: seen before. So here's the latest. He had a press conference.
Speaker 2: I don't know if it was a media day thing
Speaker 2: or if it was after one of their practices, but
Speaker 2: there was a local reporter there asking a question. Dion
Speaker 2: Sanders and Deon Sanders made it made it clear he's
Speaker 2: not going to answer any question from this reporter because
Speaker 2: of his affiliation with with CBS.
Speaker 5: There's the end of that question. I guess next guy.
Speaker 1: Eric Kristen said, was CBS Sports Colorado Tyler.
Speaker 5: I'm not doing that with CBS. Next question. It's above that.
Speaker 5: You got none to do with you. I got love
Speaker 5: for you, I appreciate respect you. HA got none to
Speaker 5: do with you. They know what they did.
Speaker 1: I'm here at Deadver, not National.
Speaker 5: You who you are CBS is CBS, all right, I
Speaker 5: respect you, and that's why I told you that. I'm
Speaker 5: looking at you and now as a man I respect.
Speaker 2: With sunglasses on.
Speaker 5: But what they did was foul.
Speaker 2: So first of all, everybody's acting, everybody's reacting to this
Speaker 2: like what a clown like who would do that? And
Speaker 2: Colorado lets him behave like this, like who Like it's
Speaker 2: one thing to do that if you're no matter who
Speaker 2: you are, Like that's just disrespectful. Like that guy's there
Speaker 2: doing his job. You're acknowledging he didn't do anything to you,
Speaker 2: but you're being a baby and and a diva and
Speaker 2: like you're not like you're not serious, dude, like this,
Speaker 2: like you're not serious? Like that was one of the
Speaker 2: things that I always I remember hearing a lot when
Speaker 2: Dion got the opportunity to make the jump from FCS
Speaker 2: to Colorado. I remember hearing it and believing it that
Speaker 2: you know, he's a competitor. He is so driven. He
Speaker 2: works his ass off like he's primed. He's flashy. He's
Speaker 2: a me guy. But don't let that for you. He'll
Speaker 2: out work anybody. He's intense, he's you know, look at
Speaker 2: how successful he has been as an athlete. Fair enough,
Speaker 2: but he doesn't carry himself in a serious way at all,
Speaker 2: in anyway, and he hasn't since he got to Colorado.
Speaker 2: The things he said, and like there's something to be
Speaker 2: said about you know, consistency, but you are who you are.
Speaker 2: But like who he is, it's clearly different than anybody
Speaker 2: else that coaches high level college programs and being different
Speaker 2: doesn't mean you're wrong, You're just different. But if you're
Speaker 2: gonna be that different and have no results to back
Speaker 2: it up as far as success, like you're you're just
Speaker 2: a clown, like you don't like, you're not, you're not,
Speaker 2: you don't belong. And maybe this year they'll break through
Speaker 2: and have a lot of success, But would anybody be
Speaker 2: shocked if they suck again? I don't think so. So, Like,
Speaker 2: if you're Colorado, what point do you because again you've
Speaker 2: now got a guy there that it's the prime program,
Speaker 2: it's not Colorado. And to be fair, what is Colorado
Speaker 2: known for in college football? Not much? Right what Dan
Speaker 2: Lanning say? What they ever do? I mean, like, I
Speaker 2: mean he was right, like it it made, you know,
Speaker 2: made people, and be fair, that's probably why Colorado hired
Speaker 2: a guy like Dean Sanders right to give them some notoriety,
Speaker 2: give them some legitimacy, because you know they haven't had
Speaker 2: that and he brings it. But then again, like is
Speaker 2: it worth it now that he's been there over a
Speaker 2: year and you haven't won and it's not even about you,
Speaker 2: it's about only him. I mean, he even takes attention
Speaker 2: away from like his players.
Speaker 4: Not a big reaction.
Speaker 5: I mean, I'm trying to remember what they want to
Speaker 5: affect this conference. I don't remember.
Speaker 2: Do you remember them winning anything?
Speaker 5: I don't remember them winning anything.
Speaker 2: I love Dan Lanning. I love Dan Lanning A lot rooted.
Speaker 4: In substance, not flash rooted in substance. Today we talk
Speaker 4: with our pats, your helmet right every moment. The Cinderella
Speaker 4: story is over, man, Right, they're fighting for clicks, we're
Speaker 4: fighting for wins. There's a difference, right, there's a difference.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 4: This game ain't gonna be playing in Hollywood.
Speaker 1: It's gonna be played on the grass.
Speaker 4: Right, it's gonna be playing on the grass.
Speaker 1: Let's go.
Speaker 2: Why is that so great? It's not just the you know,
Speaker 2: they're fighting for clicks, we're fighting for wins. But his delivery,
Speaker 2: his delivery, and the this game main's gonna be played
Speaker 2: in Hollywood is like an all timeline. Yes, I love it.
Speaker 2: I love Dan Lanning, I really do. But anyways, back
Speaker 2: to dion being a word I can't say on the
Speaker 2: on the radio about CBS. For those wondering what happened
Speaker 2: to CBS, it is the CBS Sports College Football crew
Speaker 2: who ranked Dion Sanders as the second worst Big twelve
Speaker 2: coach in twenty twenty four, and he's That article came
Speaker 2: out a month ago and he's still bitter about it.
Speaker 2: And what Deon Sanders has to understand is that he does,
Speaker 2: in fact have a great resume as a player, an
Speaker 2: accomplished athlete that is. I mean, he's he's special in
Speaker 2: that regard, right, I mean not only as a football player,
Speaker 2: but he was also a hell of a baseball player too.
Speaker 2: Like he's he's sensational in that regard. But as a coach, dude,
Speaker 2: you haven't, Like you claim you're disrespected for what what
Speaker 2: have you done? I mean they have him ranked fifteenth
Speaker 2: out of sixteen coaches, and I'm sorry he's won. Scott
Speaker 2: Saderfield is one ahead of him at number fourteen. Scott Saderfield.
Speaker 2: As much as I rag on that bum, he's way
Speaker 2: more successful as a coach than Deon Sanders has ever been.
Speaker 3: Who's the coach below him?
Speaker 2: Kenny Dillingham, who's thirty three years old at Arizona State,
Speaker 2: Who's I think in his second year, maybe first year,
Speaker 2: maybe I don't know. So did he expect to be
Speaker 2: number one when they've got Kyle Whittingham at Utah who's
Speaker 2: been phenomenal, probably the most not talked about coach that's
Speaker 2: been sensational, Lance Leepold, Chris Climban, Mike Gundy, Sonny Dyke's,
Speaker 2: Matt Campbell, Willie Fritz, Gus Malzan, Neil Brown, Dave A Ronda.
Speaker 2: I mean, like, these are coaches that like. And what's
Speaker 2: crazy about this is that with Dion, you can put
Speaker 2: a coach who's had like one Bowl appearance, and you
Speaker 2: are justly putting that one coach with that coach with
Speaker 2: the one Bowl appearance ahead of him, because Dion has
Speaker 2: coached one year and has not proven anything. Like I
Speaker 2: just the way he.
Speaker 3: Said that with no context makes you feel like CBS
Speaker 3: did a hate crime or something.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Oh, I mean that's that's why he's a clown.
Speaker 2: And I like entertainers in sports because that's what this is.
Speaker 2: At the end of the day. It's all about entertainment,
Speaker 2: it really is, and he's he is that as far
Speaker 2: as the entertainment element, but he's also a clown when
Speaker 2: it comes to being a coach and just acting as
Speaker 2: if he's done something sensational when he really hasn't, and
Speaker 2: if he dominates this year, then he'll get credit and
Speaker 2: it'll be deserved. But I've never seen someone so entitled
Speaker 2: and arrogant as a coach civically with nothing to show
Speaker 2: for it. All right, quick break, we'll come back and
Speaker 2: wrap up the four o'clock hour right here on Sports
Speaker 2: Talk seven ninety Another one. I don't know, but I
Speaker 2: do know that this is insane, right absolutely, I could tell.
Speaker 2: And that voice that I'm hearing is not jac guy. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I can tell it's I can tell it's him, all right.
Speaker 2: So one of the things we discussed a little bit earlier.
Speaker 2: I don't know if you guys we were with us
Speaker 2: at the time in the three o'clock hour, but Michigan
Speaker 2: deciding to bring back Jim Harball to be the honorary
Speaker 2: captain for their opener, fresh off of his punishment from
Speaker 2: the nc DOUBLEA that, as you know, is likely it's
Speaker 2: not a real punishment because he's never going to coach
Speaker 2: and doesn't want to coach in college football again. It's
Speaker 2: just a I think it was an attempted move from
Speaker 2: the NCUBLEA to look as if they're making an example
Speaker 2: out of somebody. But yet it actually did the opposite,
Speaker 2: because it's just it shows your lack of awareness as
Speaker 2: far as just how silly it looks to punish someone
Speaker 2: who quite clearly is not like you. He's untouchable to you,
Speaker 2: I mean, he just is, and him coming back to
Speaker 2: Michigan to be their honorary captain while that I mean,
Speaker 2: and they didn't announce this until he got like his
Speaker 2: punishment essentially, So like, I think it'll be an interesting
Speaker 2: case study with how this plays out with the n
Speaker 2: S DOUABAA, because they seem less and less relevant by
Speaker 2: the day, and they don't seem it doesn't seem as
Speaker 2: if those within the higher levels of college athletics, right
Speaker 2: the big revenue programs, revenue sports, they don't seem to
Speaker 2: have as much fear in the n DOUAA as they
Speaker 2: once did for obvious reason. So if Michigan ends up,
Speaker 2: you know, and they're gonna bring Harball back, we know that,
Speaker 2: but they're they're currently going through they're about to get
Speaker 2: a notice delligations from the NAA in regards to the
Speaker 2: Connor stallions sound stealing, cheating, and if they go through
Speaker 2: that whole thing, get no further punishment and I mean,
Speaker 2: I just feel like this could end up being the
Speaker 2: ultimate move to where there's really no debate. There's no
Speaker 2: doubt that the n STUBLE is powerless and useless when
Speaker 2: it comes to the highest level of college sports. I
Speaker 2: think we're already there. I've discussed that quite a bit
Speaker 2: this week, But I just feel like Michigan fresh off
Speaker 2: national championship, knowing they're being investigated for cheating during that
Speaker 2: national championship season, and yet there's still that brazen to
Speaker 2: bring back a coach that just got hit with a
Speaker 2: four year show cause and a one season suspension if
Speaker 2: he ever does return to college. Like they're very much
Speaker 2: publicly laughing at the NCAA, And I feel like there
Speaker 2: hasn't really been a situation quite like this when you
Speaker 2: have the circumstances meeting a coach that's been that's moved
Speaker 2: on to go to the NFL, that I got hit
Speaker 2: with it, that got hit with a you know, not
Speaker 2: a fake punishment essentially, and they're like you would think
Speaker 2: they would want to cooperate, like if they feared the
Speaker 2: NCAA in anyway, they would cooperate, not do anything to
Speaker 2: rock the boat because they don't want anything about their
Speaker 2: twenty twenty three national championship to be viewed as illegitimate
Speaker 2: because of cheating. But they don't care because nobody cares
Speaker 2: about the NCAA anymore, it seems, and I can totally
Speaker 2: understand why. All right, quick break, we'll come back finish
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