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Speaker 1: Yes, indeed off of a one sided, very impressive arguably

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pound WBO IVF titles. Forybody to recap his win over

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Sugar Nudiez talk about the rest of that card. We've

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got the IBF and lineal cruiserweight champion Jiopataiah on the pod,

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Happy March, everybody. I'm in a great mood because it's

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not only college basketball. Spring is in the air birthday

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the pod. How about that for a build up and

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for an intro? How are we feeling heading into a

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Speaker 2: You know, We're good? And the reason I say that because,

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most glorious prompt you could ever ask for next week

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We spent some time building it up. I teed it

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up by saying one sided whipping. You could maybe argue

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that when navarat first became world champion and dominated Isaac

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dog Bay listen to me going old school last decade,

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at the end of the last decade, that that was

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a devastating announcement in a championship fight for him. But

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you could maybe argue that since then, this was as

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great a performance as what we've seen, certainly recently. One

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sided whipping. I characterize it as what are your thoughts,

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and then we're going to get into allowing this fight

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to go on for a ninth round, a tenth round,

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et ceterable. What were your thoughts overall on Navarata getting

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the win.

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Speaker 2: It was a big win, no doubt about it. First

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of all, he came in as an underdog. It's not

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a huge underdog, but an underdog in terms of the betting.

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None the last I didn't agree with that. I thought

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he would win this fight. I didn't. I didn't think

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he should be the underdog. I know it didn't look

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great against Charlie Suarez, and I know he's had issues

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here and there with the weight and this and that.

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fight where I felt like he knows the stakes. He's

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been asking for a unification fight for a long time.

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time as as a professional. He worked with a nutritionists

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to make the weight the right way, and you know,

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you're never gonna change his style. He's always reckless. He

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does a lot of things wrong technically, but it works

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for me. And he's very heavy handed. And when I

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saw how deferential Nunies was him in the final days

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before the fight, about how he was such a huge

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fan of Navarates and he was sort of like stars

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in his eyes kind of that, I was like, you

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put it all together. I was like, you know what,

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never at these win in this fight, but be that,

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as you say, the greatest performance you go back since

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the Dog Bay victory. Obviously, that was his big announcement

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that he's here to be a championship caliber fight. But

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he sat some other impressed victories also, certainly the first

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fight against Oscar Valdez, a rematch against Valdez where he

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Dog Bay fight, to me, this is by far and

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away the best performance of his career because it was

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the highest stakes to unify. There were a lot of

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people that were doubting in because of the inconsistency. Let's

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call it in terms of what happened in Charlie Suarez,

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whereby all rights it should have been a TKO lost

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friend because as it was disclosed after the hearing that

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the cut that he suffered that initially caused it to

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be called a technical decision was found to have been

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on the video that was not available to them on

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fight night, to have been from a Charlie Suarez punch,

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but the commission elected to make it a no contest

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so he could be coming off of a TKO loss,

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in which case he would not have gotten this fight

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because he would no longer have the title. But anyway,

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he's been a professional now TJ for fourteen years. This

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was his seventeenth appearance in a world championship fight covering

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three different well technically covering four weight classes because he

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fought in a title fight in the lightweight division where

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he lost to Dennis Brentchick. But he's been a title

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holder at junior featherweight, featherweight now obviously junior lightweight, the

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one loss in the title fight, appearance at lightweight, seventeen

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world title fights and all that's a lot of championship experience,

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no doubt about it. Big Mexican crowd on hand to

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see him against a fellow Mexican in Sugar Nuniz twelve

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thousand plus at the Desert Diamond Or in Glendale, great a.

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Speaker 1: Rocking environment, like we thought it would be perfect location

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And as we talked about in the preview, were

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certainly weren't alone in this sort of path of conversation

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that this was going to be an action packed fight

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of the AAR contender, and there was a lot of

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action and it was that, but it sure as hell

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isn't a fight of the Year contender because it was

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so utterly one sided because for whatever reason, we'll get

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into the ex's and Oz was a little bit for

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a minute, never Atte came out and fought like he does,

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throw out of punches, throwing uppercuts, wild right hands, left hooks.

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has won mostly everything by knockout. He's a knockout artist.

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He comes to try to pretend he's fucking Floyd maywe her.

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up and he's trying to box, and you know, he's

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trying to show himself to be mister master boxing, Like,

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what are you doing four rounds? He did that for TJ. Meanwhile,

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you know the first four rounds are clear cut and

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so he can do that, but none neither has the

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defense nor the acumen to do that kind of high

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caliber boxing. He's not incapable of boxing, but in this

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type of circumstance, I don't know where that that game

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plan came from. Who gave it to him? Why he

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tried to do it. To me, that was the stupidest

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thing he could have done. And so now he's down

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for nothing and it's not even close. Obviously the official

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score cards reflected that also when you looked at them

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after the stopping. And finally in the fifth round, he

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was like okay, either he decided or the corner told him,

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you know, fuck this no win situation of trying to

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be a boxer, and he started to fight him. But

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once again, Emmanuel Naverette is there to you know, as

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much pressure as Nunya's wanted to try to apply. That's

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Navarrete's game. Also, he can do the same thing. He's

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got longer arms, he's a taller guy, and he just

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could not deal with the overwhelming volume of punches from Navarette.

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never was able to land the best shots. He did

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work over when he was throwing punches, he threw a

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tremendous amount of body punches on navaretin he landed, and

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you know, Neverete was in great, great condition. That I

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think that's like the headline in a way, that's I mean,

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it's not what you notice first. But to me, when

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I think about why did he win the fight? Besides

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you know, the them, the gum, the dumb game plan

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that that Nonia's had, but that was only for four rounds.

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the biggest the biggest headline is the fact that he

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came in supreme condition. If you go back watch all

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these previous title fights and the conditioning was incredible.

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Speaker 1: He seemed to get tired in other fights. We mentioned

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in the preview that when he fought and we moved

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up to lightweight and fought Denny's Baranchik in that fight,

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that he seemed to tire in the middle of that

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fight and it and it changed everything. He still had thud,

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thud thud in the power. In the seventh, eighth, ninth round,

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he was not going anywhere.

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Speaker 2: And Nona's I think got discouraged.

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Speaker 1: Yes, because he's already and his punches were clearly even

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though he's inside in the kitchen as I like to say,

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he's not moving navarate with his punches and that had

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to be demoralizing as a word that we will use

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as the fight we're on.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so he's already in a little bit of a

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round you have a Navarette lands a nice left hook. Uh,

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and now there's a a cut under Nunia's right eye.

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he emerged from that round with the cut. It wasn't

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that bad. But as the fight went on he ended

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up getting a second cut. There was a third cut eventually.

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I think one of them may have been from an

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accidental head but his face was showing the wear. He's,

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as you say, demoralized because he can't get inside, and

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even when he does get inside, his attack is not

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really working that well. And meanwhile, Navarrete is doing his thing.

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He's throwing crazy, wild punches. He's putting together tremendous combinations.

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His uppercut was landing very well, like there was really

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nothing he couldn't do. He looked tremendous. And again you

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look at the style that he employs. He is the

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most fundamentally fucked up fighter and.

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Speaker 1: Box it but it works.

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Speaker 2: That's the crazy thing.

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Speaker 1: There's a couple of things. He's a south paw and

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you don't see the left uppercut that often, and that's

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like his favorite punch, and he throws it from weird angles.

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well yeah.

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Speaker 1: But I mean he throws that punch from kind of

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weird angles as a hook or as an uppercut, and

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you got to get used to that. And this is

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what led into the problems because you mentioned the cut

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under the eye. But suddenly in the eighth round he

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slammed him with a couple of lefts and the eye

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is swelling shut, almost totally immediately in the eighth round

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of the fight. And at that point, watching live, I

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don't know what your thought was. My thought was, this

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is over. This is over. Shortly, he's gonna knock him down.

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He's gonna stop him. The corner's gonna stop it. It's

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a one sided whipping. Then the ninth round went on

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and I heard this in Sergio Mora's voice where he's like,

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they've got to stop this fight. He can't see the

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left hand coming. This is dangerous stuff. And the fight

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was allowed to still go on for a tenth round.

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And I'm just saying this to you. I am not

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mister hyperbole, mister clutch the pearls, but fighter safety is

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a big deal, and as I was watching this in

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the tenth round, I'm going, this is how people get

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seriously hurt in major championship prize fighting. Somebody do the

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right thing here, the referee do the right thing. And

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even Eddie Hearn went over to the.

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Speaker 1: And said to them, guys, the fight is over. He's

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getting drilled. He can't see. I were you as concerned

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as I was. We are looking at possible serious injury

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Speaker 2: Listen, I thought when they so he got beat up,

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like you said in the eighth round. In the ninth round,

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now the eye is totally closed. He literally it's literally closed.

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the bad eye was completely close. So at that point,

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you know, certainly his vision is impaired, at least seeing

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some of the punches coming. So now the bell rings

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to start round number ten. The referee Ben Rodriguez CAUs

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the time out properly has the ringside doctor examined the fighter.

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He looks at Nunez. I'm not sure why he let

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the fight go on. I don't think a lot changed

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between the beginning of the tenth and the beginning of

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the eleventh. But he let it go on. And so Navarette,

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you know, clobbersom with a hook. The swelling on the

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the eye was swollen. Now the fight starts up again,

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he hits them where the left hook. The tenth round

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is going on, and he hits him again, and now

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the what was the swelling now bursts open and there's

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fucking blood. Part that is correct. Now at that point

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you're like, okay, well, the reft probably should just stop

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the fight in the middle of the round. You know,

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to to none has his credit. You got a big heart,

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you know, all all credit to his balls and and

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his willingness to go on. Even said in this Postman

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interview he wished he could have gone. H he was

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okay to continue, but obviously they had eventually do the

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right thing. When the round ended, they went back to

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the corner and at that point they're they're looking, they're

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talking about stopping it. It didn't have to come from

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the corner because the referee uh called the time out, uh,

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and they stopped. You know, they stopped the fight, right there.

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They let him get off the stool. That's all the

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time out. So technically the official time of the stoppage

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is one second of round eleven. But no punches were

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thrown in the eleventh round and they properly stopped it.

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Speaker 1: But you've seen this hundreds of times. I've watched it,

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you know, dozens and dozens of times. Referees are much

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more proactive in some of these instances that come in

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the corner, warn the fighter you're taking way too much punishment.

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I'm gonna stop this. This guy I don't know anything

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about the referee. This guy proactively did not go in

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the corner in between the eighth and the ninth or

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the ninth and the tenth to even say anything or

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do anything. I thought he was slow to react to.

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This is over. He has no hope of winning, and

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he is taking big time punishment where he can get

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seriously hurt.

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Speaker 2: And even listen, even though Nunyas is a noted puncher,

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you never got the feeling that even at that moment,

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even if they let that fight go on and he

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lands something like it just didn't seem like Navarrette's going anywhere.

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Now if you look at the official scorecards when the

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fight was finally stopped one second into round number eleven,

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I had to fight, you know you could. I thought

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you could argue that maybe Nunia's won around one judge

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had it as shout out one hundred to ninety. The

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two other judges, including our man Steve Weisfeld, had it

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ninety eight to ninety two on the other two, so

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they did find I believe they both gave him the

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fifth round and the eighth round, surprisingly, which I disagreed

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with dramatically. Nonetheless a clear wipeout for an ever Atay,

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as I said at the beginning, his best performance in

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the biggest spot. He unified the titles, which is what

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he wanted to do. And this is how much of

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a beating that Nunia's was taken. And they even showed

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this on the de Zonne broadcast. You had Julio szar

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chav Is, yes, who's there as a I guess a

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broadcast for in a Mexican broadcast or whatever, and they

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show him like shouting at the referee at ringside to

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stop the fight.

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Speaker 1: According to the broadcast, he stood up and was waving

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at the referee to save the fight off.

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Speaker 2: And by the way, from experience, I have covered numerous

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fights where Chavez has been a commentator on the Mexican broadcast,

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and because of where we would sit on the floor,

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oftentimes I was sitting next to Chavz or you know,

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right behind chav Is. I can tell you one hundred

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percent that there's probably half a dozen times I could

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think of in my time at ringside where I'm like,

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chav Is, get the fuck out of my way because

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he's standing up and I can't s you know, we

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would joke around about that. So chav Is is very uh,

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you know, enthusiastic, let's say, when he's at these fights

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and demonstrative in the way he reacts, and they're a

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little bit more Homerish if you will, on the Mexico broadcast.

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So when it's you know, obviously this was Mexico versus Mexico,

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but he doesn't want to see Nias get get get

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the shit beat out of it. So Chavaz was like,

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you know, if Julio Cesar Chava is one of the

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great warriors in the history of the sport, is saying

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you should stop this fight you might want to take

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a listen.

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Speaker 1: Okay. So Navorante gets to win and they, you know,

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they were very gracious after the fight to each other,

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respect for each other.

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Speaker 2: Oh one more thing, by the way, Yeah, the fact

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that he looked so good that as he did. You

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have to also take into account he didn't get to

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Glendale till Thursday because of the whole lost passport situation.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he was trying to get in the country. We'll

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go back to again. Fundamentally, you got to get in

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the country, right.

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Speaker 2: But it was not his fault. So he goes to

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the embassy to get the visa put into the passport.

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just say, okay, leave it here and we'll we'll notify

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you when you can come back. That's what they did.

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In this case. He got notified Okay, come back and

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pick up your visa. That that was on like Tuesday,

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whatever day of the Monday, whatever day it was. And

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he goes to the embassy in Mexico and they literally

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can't find his passport. The embassy has lost the passport.

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So they go through about forty eight hours.

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Speaker 1: Watch my sarcasm. You love my sarcasm game. Here's an

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individual trying to legally enter the country and we cannot

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get it. Right after all this about legally or not legally, and.

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Speaker 2: They finally they actually finally found the passport, and at

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this point now they're running short on time, but the

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governments they're not They don't care if it's a boxing

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match or whatever. To them, you're just a person trying

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to travel. In the end, they ended up having a

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transport Navarrete and the team I guess, from Mexico to

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Glendale via a private jets. They actually arrive on the

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fight site until Thursday evening, and they were there. They

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didn't even do They had done the actual press conference

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with the undercart, but because the main event was not there,

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they didn't do a press conference for the main event.

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Speaker 1: So they you referenced, Floyd arrived like Floyd and the

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lear jet to get the film, however, you got to

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get there.

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Speaker 2: All they did was do a photo op. And so

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when you're thinking about how Navarrete's going to perform in

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the fight, the first thing in my mind was, even

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though I thought he was gonna win the fight, before

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I knew about the problems with the passport, they're like,

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oh shit, when you're that late getting too the fights,

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that maybe he's going to impact your ability to make

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the weight. As it turned out, he was, as was

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none Yez, a little bit under one hundred and thirty

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pound liament, so he made the weight comfortably. His people

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said there was no issues in terms of the weight

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this time around. Makes you think if he continues to

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take it that seriously that he could stick around at

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one thirty if he wants to for a while longer.

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But anyway, that could have caused a lot of problems

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for other fighters if they weren't as disciplined as naver

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At they appeared to have been in this camp.

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Speaker 1: All right, so he wins. He now has two of

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the championships. He looks good at one thirty. So the

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logical follow up that I always ask is what do

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you think is next here for him?

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Speaker 2: Well, I mean, there's a lot of possibilities. It seems

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to me if I could wave the magic one, I'd say,

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make the fight with your top ranks stable mate Oshaki Foster. Now,

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obviously they need a platform on to do that. This

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was a fight they were able to make with Mattrium

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and went on the Dezone platform, which where Matchroom has

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all their fights. Currently, Top Rank is without a platform,

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so you can't really do a Foster never at a

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unification fight. They don't have some kind of financial backing

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from a broadcaster to do that. But putting that to

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the side, that's the fight that probably should happen. They're

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both with the same company. It's the WBC champion Foster

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against Navarreti, a NAWS two of the other titles. Navarette

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was at the fight. I mean, I'm sorry Foster was

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at the fight. The Matchroom fighter Raymond Ford, who is

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a former featherweight titleer who's been fighting now and looking

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solid at one thirty, he was there also. They were going,

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nose knows, that's the fight they're probably gonna do. They

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didn't announce it, but I would expect that that fight's

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being made. You had Carl Mulready from Top Rank on site.

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I'm sure he and Eddie Hearn at some point sat

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and discussed the particulars. So that's going to probably mean

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that Foster is not going to be the Navareti next opponent.

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It also means that ray Ford, who would be a

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reasonable challenger, would not be the next opponent because they're

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probably going to fight each other on what will wind

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up being a matchroom card on his own, So who

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else is in the running? You could if never they

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wanted to, perhaps he would want to go try again

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at lightweight. Remember Top Rank promotes more Atia. That would

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be a fucking war. That'd be a really good fight.

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I'm skeptical that that happens. If Raffiae Espinoza, who is

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the very tall featherweight champion of the WBO, he could

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come up and challenge for the title against never Atte,

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that would be another nexic entin of war type fight.

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I'd be happy to see that. Over on social media,

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he got Steven Fulton out there calling out never Atte

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to do a fight. Certainly that's makeable given the the

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the good relations recently between Top Rank and PBC shouldn't

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be an issue if they were serious. The point is

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there's a lot of possibilities for never at that he

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as far as what he said, he didn't call anybody.

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He says, listen, I'm tired. I just thought a tough fight,

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you know, give me a few days. I'll think about

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it and then i'll see what i want to do.

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But I'm not thinking about that right now at all. So,

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but you know, it doesn't take a genius to look

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and see who's in the in the ratings, who are

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the other champions, that type of thing. Oh, by the way,

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let us not forget he got this fight against the

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unification after the WBO had ordered the rematch with Charlie

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Suarez because of that crazy ending in the first fight

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when they couldn't make the deal and everybody basically told

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Charlie Suarez go pound sand and they approved the unification.

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But he's still the WOBO mandatory, so that's probably going

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to be something that the WBO is going to revisit

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in order, which means he will have the option to

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either fight the rematch against Suarez or you'll be vague,

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I'll either be stripped or after the vacant the WBO title.

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So it seems to me, if you can't make one

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of those other bigger fights, whether it's for a unification

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or not, he should give Charlie Suarez the rematch. He

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deserves it.

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Speaker 1: There are options, and as good as he looked there,

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he's a fun fighter, big puncher. Let's see what happens. Okay,

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we'll get to gy Olpatai in the conversation a couple

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moments with the rest of the undercard. That is of note,

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Emiliano Vargas did win by TKO late in his fight,

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but the unbeaten rising welter way Tamir Smalls did not win,

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So give me the dats on both those fights.

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Speaker 2: Well. Vargas, the son of course of Fernando Vargas, the

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former world champion and superstar of the nineties and early

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two thousands, and Emiliano, also my twenty twenty five Prospect

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of the Year, continues to live up to the hype

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and to the potential. Really good fight against a very,

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very tough opponent in Augustine Quintana. Quintanna gave him something

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to think about. He pushed him hard, he won some rounds.

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And remember this is Quintana. Is was two fights removed

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from having scored an upset decision over the then unbeaten

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top prospect Mark Castro. So he comes with that scalp

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on his resume already. Now he's looking to bump off

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another top prospect. But Emiliano was up for the was

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00:21:47,519 --> 00:21:54,079
up for the challenge, very very entertaining fight again. First

473
00:21:54,079 --> 00:21:56,200
half of the fight. Like, I'm not saying that Vargas

474
00:21:56,240 --> 00:21:58,559
was losing, but he was losing some rounds and he

475
00:21:58,680 --> 00:22:00,759
was getting hit and it was a tough it really was.

476
00:22:01,480 --> 00:22:05,319
But in the end he opened a cut. It became

477
00:22:05,359 --> 00:22:07,440
a problem. He was starting to land a lot more shots,

478
00:22:07,920 --> 00:22:11,279
and I didn't love this stoppage. Compare like, we agreed

479
00:22:11,279 --> 00:22:13,599
that the stoppage was appropriate, maybe even a little too late.

480
00:22:13,640 --> 00:22:16,119
In the main event, I thought this one was like

481
00:22:16,200 --> 00:22:19,759
real sketchy on the stool after round nine he was cut.

482
00:22:19,839 --> 00:22:23,480
Quintana and Raoul Kayz Junior at the start of that

483
00:22:23,599 --> 00:22:26,240
ninth round, he was the referee, had the referee examine

484
00:22:27,200 --> 00:22:30,640
the cut, the docum go doctor yeah. Allowed to go on,

485
00:22:32,119 --> 00:22:35,680
and then after the after the ninth round in the corner,

486
00:22:36,440 --> 00:22:38,519
they stopped the fight and Quintana was pissed. He got

487
00:22:38,559 --> 00:22:40,079
off the stool and was shouting, no, no, no, I

488
00:22:40,119 --> 00:22:42,039
mean it was he was cut, but he wasn't getting

489
00:22:42,119 --> 00:22:44,039
beat up, like you know what I mean, Like that's different.

490
00:22:44,359 --> 00:22:46,680
The cut was not It didn't seem that bad. But

491
00:22:46,759 --> 00:22:48,400
in the end Vargus was going to win the fight.

492
00:22:48,640 --> 00:22:50,319
I know that Quintana would have been a feather in

493
00:22:50,359 --> 00:22:53,960
the cap to go go the distance. But you know,

494
00:22:54,039 --> 00:22:56,039
listen that you can quibble about that. In the end,

495
00:22:56,079 --> 00:22:57,920
Vargus was going to win this fight. He's now seventeen

496
00:22:57,960 --> 00:23:00,599
to oh with fourteen knockouts, only twenty one years old,

497
00:23:00,680 --> 00:23:06,079
huge future, Uh, well spoken, lots of charisma, good looking kid, fighting,

498
00:23:06,119 --> 00:23:09,440
fun fighting style, you know, wants to be uh. You know,

499
00:23:10,039 --> 00:23:12,440
just has that that that huge desire very you know

500
00:23:12,480 --> 00:23:14,880
in that respect, super similar to his father.

501
00:23:15,480 --> 00:23:15,960
Speaker 3: Uh.

502
00:23:16,079 --> 00:23:18,160
Speaker 2: And as I make myself feel old, I covered his

503
00:23:18,160 --> 00:23:21,799
father as a young fighter. Uh, so you know, I

504
00:23:21,839 --> 00:23:24,640
they look almost the same, except for Fernando was a

505
00:23:24,640 --> 00:23:26,480
little bit bigger in terms of the weight class. Fernando

506
00:23:26,559 --> 00:23:29,079
was a one fifty four pounder. Emiliano was a one

507
00:23:29,200 --> 00:23:32,079
forty pounder. But they have they carry themselves the right way,

508
00:23:32,519 --> 00:23:34,759
uh in the ring. And it's sounded like what Fernando

509
00:23:34,839 --> 00:23:37,839
says about his son. He's me, but without all the

510
00:23:37,920 --> 00:23:40,240
baggage and the negative shit and the and the and

511
00:23:40,279 --> 00:23:42,000
the and the and the stupid things that he did,

512
00:23:42,079 --> 00:23:44,400
like you know, getting involved with this and with that

513
00:23:44,519 --> 00:23:47,039
and lots of distractions that you know, he's able to

514
00:23:47,079 --> 00:23:50,359
focus much more in boxing full time than Fernando did

515
00:23:50,359 --> 00:23:52,359
because he was always pulled in a thousand directions, didn't

516
00:23:52,400 --> 00:23:55,759
have maybe the greatest training habits. Uh, but it's it

517
00:23:55,799 --> 00:23:59,799
seems as though Emiliano has that. And if it continues

518
00:23:59,839 --> 00:24:02,200
to perform in this manner, he's going to be in

519
00:24:02,319 --> 00:24:05,440
the whether it's in a couple of fights or three fights,

520
00:24:05,519 --> 00:24:07,720
or later this year or early next year or whatever,

521
00:24:08,160 --> 00:24:10,079
probably definitely going to get a chance to fight for

522
00:24:10,119 --> 00:24:12,279
a title, and you know, a good chance maybe if

523
00:24:12,279 --> 00:24:14,519
he continues to develop win it now. I spoke to

524
00:24:16,880 --> 00:24:19,839
Brad Goodman, the matchmaker, a top rank before this fight happened.

525
00:24:19,880 --> 00:24:21,400
I asked him, I said, you know you made the match.

526
00:24:21,480 --> 00:24:23,960
What do you think. He's like, well, I'll be very impressive.

527
00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:26,680
He gets the stoppage. He got the stoppage, and they

528
00:24:26,880 --> 00:24:30,400
made this match. His opinion was that August and Quintana

529
00:24:30,519 --> 00:24:32,960
would give him a tough fight. He felt, of course

530
00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:35,440
his guy would win the fight, but it was going

531
00:24:35,480 --> 00:24:37,319
to be a great learning experience and you could not

532
00:24:37,519 --> 00:24:40,160
nail what happened better than what Brad Goodman did in

533
00:24:40,160 --> 00:24:41,599
this fight, because that's exactly what happened.

534
00:24:41,599 --> 00:24:42,039
Speaker 3: He learned.

535
00:24:42,240 --> 00:24:44,759
Speaker 2: He got in rounds. He did get the stoppage late

536
00:24:44,799 --> 00:24:48,039
in the fight and you check all the boxes of

537
00:24:48,079 --> 00:24:50,640
what his matchmakers wanted to see from him.

538
00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:55,559
Speaker 1: Okay, and then again Tamir Small's and the veteran Abo Ramos.

539
00:24:55,640 --> 00:24:58,880
We talked in the preview mode that Ramos could be dangerous,

540
00:24:58,920 --> 00:25:01,240
and it turns out he off the win.

541
00:25:01,720 --> 00:25:03,839
Speaker 2: Very close fight, A really good fight. This one good

542
00:25:03,839 --> 00:25:05,440
I mean, action wise, it was a good card. I

543
00:25:05,440 --> 00:25:07,799
mean the main event. May maybe wasn't the fight of

544
00:25:07,799 --> 00:25:09,640
the Year contender that many of us thought it might be,

545
00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:12,240
but it was certainly entertaining for a variety of reasons.

546
00:25:12,240 --> 00:25:15,680
But Tamir Small's he he's with Mattrium, He's part of

547
00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:19,559
the Boots Ennis camp, so he's gotten the opportunities courtesy

548
00:25:19,559 --> 00:25:22,640
of his buddy to go on these Mattrium cards. He

549
00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:25,119
came into the fight sixteen and oh, but hadn't really

550
00:25:25,119 --> 00:25:28,319
ever fought anybody. And as I said, I think I

551
00:25:28,400 --> 00:25:31,119
said exactly this when we were previewing the fight. If

552
00:25:31,119 --> 00:25:33,039
you're going to be a world champion, if you're going

553
00:25:33,119 --> 00:25:35,079
to be a top guy in your division, you got

554
00:25:35,079 --> 00:25:37,319
to beat a guy like Abo Ramos, who's vastly experienced,

555
00:25:37,319 --> 00:25:39,599
who has fought for a world title, who's always given

556
00:25:39,640 --> 00:25:42,920
guys a tough night and this was a gigantic step

557
00:25:43,000 --> 00:25:45,319
up in class for Tamir Smalls, and he did not

558
00:25:45,400 --> 00:25:48,119
pass the test because Abo Ramos. Even though it was

559
00:25:48,799 --> 00:25:52,039
a close fight, Tamir Small's pretty much dominated the first

560
00:25:52,079 --> 00:25:54,839
few rounds, but Abo Ramos is the kind of guy

561
00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:57,039
like a lot of veteran Mexican fighters, you know. Took

562
00:25:57,119 --> 00:25:59,680
him a few rounds, but he really gets started halfway through,

563
00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:03,720
you know, thereabouts, and in the end you're just concerned,

564
00:26:03,759 --> 00:26:06,920
if you're on the Ablo Ramos camp, did he start

565
00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:09,160
too late? Are the judges going to react to what

566
00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:11,000
he's doing? Is he going to get a fair shape?

567
00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:13,839
And guess what he did, and he won that fight.

568
00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:15,880
In the later rounds of that fight, there was a

569
00:26:15,880 --> 00:26:18,240
split decision, but a well deserved split decision. Two of

570
00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:20,160
the judges had it wide for him. One had a

571
00:26:20,240 --> 00:26:22,599
ninety eight ninety two one headed ninety seven to ninety three.

572
00:26:23,279 --> 00:26:24,960
Ninety seven to ninety three. To me, that sort of

573
00:26:24,960 --> 00:26:26,880
felt like the right score, but the other judge had

574
00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:28,799
it ninety six to ninety four for Smalls. I just

575
00:26:28,799 --> 00:26:31,079
didn't see that. But this was a good fight and

576
00:26:31,119 --> 00:26:32,680
you gotta be you gotta feel good for a guy

577
00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:34,559
like Abo Ramos. You know, he's in the sort of

578
00:26:34,599 --> 00:26:36,759
the twilight ish part of his career. He's from Arizona,

579
00:26:36,759 --> 00:26:39,599
although not from from Glendell where the fight took place.

580
00:26:39,839 --> 00:26:41,799
He was coming off of a fight at the end

581
00:26:41,839 --> 00:26:43,680
of twenty twenty four, so he hadn't fought for all

582
00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:46,279
of twenty twenty five. That was the draw in the

583
00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:50,279
tremendous battle where he challenged Mario Barrios for his WBC

584
00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:54,039
welterweight title. He had fought other good fighters Omar Figaro

585
00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:56,880
or Dennis Ugas, et cetera. And this is a big

586
00:26:56,920 --> 00:26:58,799
win for the kids the guy, so you got you

587
00:26:58,799 --> 00:27:01,599
gotta feel good, foreman, you know, for Small's sake, he's

588
00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:03,440
got the loss now, but nothing to be ashamed of

589
00:27:03,519 --> 00:27:05,680
losing to the guy. You know what is the all saying,

590
00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:07,839
redouble your efforts and get back in the gym.

591
00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:12,200
Speaker 1: And if you want to obviously be a championship caliber fighter,

592
00:27:12,279 --> 00:27:15,119
championship contender, win a title, you're gonna have to fight veterans,

593
00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:18,079
You're gonna have to beat bigger names. So that is

594
00:27:18,119 --> 00:27:20,519
a learning lesson the hard way on taking the l

595
00:27:21,359 --> 00:27:25,079
that fulfills the recap portion of this evening's podcast for

596
00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:28,119
the most prominent fight card of the weekend. Let's get

597
00:27:28,119 --> 00:27:31,079
into the preview mode because as we release this podcast

598
00:27:31,119 --> 00:27:33,240
Sunday night into Monday, one week from the night March

599
00:27:33,279 --> 00:27:38,440
the eighth, is the IBF Cruiserweight Championship, although we have

600
00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:41,279
more to discuss after we hear from ji Opataiah about

601
00:27:41,359 --> 00:27:43,799
whether or not this is really an IBF Cruiserweight title,

602
00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:47,720
an Millenneal championship and the Ring magazine and they're also

603
00:27:47,720 --> 00:27:51,440
billing it as the ZUFA Boxing Cruiserweight Championship to be

604
00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:55,480
in Las Vegas. Brandon Glanton is the opponent. Let's hear

605
00:27:55,519 --> 00:27:58,759
from gi Opataiah before fight week really even gets cranked

606
00:27:58,839 --> 00:28:00,559
up right here on the pod.

607
00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:04,079
Speaker 2: Well, it is my pleasure to be joined for the

608
00:28:04,160 --> 00:28:06,960
very first time, my first interview ever with the w

609
00:28:07,359 --> 00:28:09,880
with the IBF and the lineal Cruiserweight world champion. Ji

610
00:28:09,960 --> 00:28:12,799
Opataiah Jai. Welcome to the show. We're gonna talk about

611
00:28:12,839 --> 00:28:15,200
your your fight that's coming up on March eighth. First

612
00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:17,240
of all, welcome, I know you're in Las Vegas getting

613
00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:18,759
ready for the fight. Training. How's everything going.

614
00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:20,640
Speaker 3: It's going really well. Man.

615
00:28:20,759 --> 00:28:23,400
Speaker 4: I'm happy to be here. You know, we've been training

616
00:28:23,519 --> 00:28:26,599
very hard. I'm just ready to get this fought done.

617
00:28:26,759 --> 00:28:27,319
Speaker 3: You know what I mean.

618
00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:29,920
Speaker 4: It's it's been dragging on the wall, and now you know,

619
00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:32,000
I've been away from home for about six weeks now

620
00:28:32,039 --> 00:28:35,839
of another fucking two weeks. He's let's get this shit done. Man,

621
00:28:35,880 --> 00:28:36,799
I'm ready to go to work.

622
00:28:37,519 --> 00:28:39,000
Speaker 2: Well, you're gonna go to work. I'll tell the people

623
00:28:39,039 --> 00:28:41,319
what the work is. You're gonna defend the title against

624
00:28:41,319 --> 00:28:43,759
Brandon Glanton. It'll be the main event of the ZUFA

625
00:28:43,799 --> 00:28:46,480
boxing card on Paramount Plus March eighth at the Meta

626
00:28:46,519 --> 00:28:49,759
Apex in Las Vegas. And this is obviously your first

627
00:28:49,799 --> 00:28:52,839
fight since signing with zoof I think you and ZUFA

628
00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:56,759
create a lot of interest when they announced you became

629
00:28:56,839 --> 00:28:59,680
I mean they had signed obviously several talented fighters, but

630
00:28:59,759 --> 00:29:03,079
you were the first, like really top quality elite world

631
00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:06,440
champion that they had signed, h an established title holder

632
00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:10,079
champion when they made that announcement, so people were sort

633
00:29:10,119 --> 00:29:12,519
of excited, like here the Cruiserwight Champs coming to America

634
00:29:12,799 --> 00:29:15,039
to do his thing. And so I was curious. This

635
00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:17,039
was an announcement that was made in January. When you

636
00:29:17,079 --> 00:29:19,279
made the deal with them. It is my understanding that

637
00:29:19,359 --> 00:29:21,160
yes you're gonna be a ZOOPA fighter, but you have

638
00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:24,559
your your team in Australia, Tasman Fighters that is still

639
00:29:24,559 --> 00:29:27,640
your co promoter. And I wonder how did the deal

640
00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:30,359
come about and what was your motivation for for signing

641
00:29:30,359 --> 00:29:30,799
with ZUFA.

642
00:29:34,359 --> 00:29:38,799
Speaker 4: It just fit perfect, you know, other other than money,

643
00:29:38,839 --> 00:29:42,400
of course, John, the money's the money's the bonus. You know,

644
00:29:42,759 --> 00:29:45,359
will he Tyston dreams and will he they keep goes.

645
00:29:45,759 --> 00:29:47,799
You know, the money would have come anyways, you know

646
00:29:47,799 --> 00:29:50,200
what I mean. Will iison undisputed and when you become

647
00:29:50,279 --> 00:29:54,640
undisputed you get paid anyways. But this is just sped

648
00:29:54,680 --> 00:29:57,720
that process up, you know what I mean. And to

649
00:29:57,759 --> 00:30:00,480
be honest, man off the making decision and I'm happy

650
00:30:00,519 --> 00:30:03,240
I've made it, you know, like you know, obviously the

651
00:30:03,279 --> 00:30:05,799
contract was good and that's why we signed. But you know,

652
00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:08,640
being here and being around the people and seeing who

653
00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:11,680
I'm working with now and and seeing the way they move,

654
00:30:11,799 --> 00:30:14,839
it's it's been good, you know, it's it's it's refreshing,

655
00:30:15,279 --> 00:30:18,880
you know what I mean. It's something new and I

656
00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:22,119
feel like news is good as well, you.

657
00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:22,559
Speaker 3: Know what I mean.

658
00:30:22,759 --> 00:30:24,240
Speaker 4: A lot of people have been bad mouthing it, but

659
00:30:24,279 --> 00:30:25,599
it's been turning out really well.

660
00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:27,759
Speaker 3: You know, like people can't.

661
00:30:27,559 --> 00:30:30,079
Speaker 4: Sit there and say the boxing wasn't a fucking you know,

662
00:30:30,319 --> 00:30:32,680
always looking especially as a fighter, but you're aways looking

663
00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:35,839
over your shoulder, you know, who can you trust and who?

664
00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:38,640
But this is this has been pretty straightforward, you know

665
00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:40,880
what I mean. I feel like there's no hidden agendas here.

666
00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:43,160
You know, they tell you what they want from me,

667
00:30:43,240 --> 00:30:46,680
and this is this is my this is my experience

668
00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:50,119
so far. Anyways, you know what I mean. So it's

669
00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:52,680
all it's all been well. But to go back to

670
00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:58,359
your question how it started. So we were dealing with issues,

671
00:30:58,880 --> 00:31:00,640
you know, got a fair bit to do with the

672
00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:05,359
Zoo for boxing. He was talking to my team, you know,

673
00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:08,359
and once my team sort of realized that he meant

674
00:31:08,359 --> 00:31:11,319
business and he was being serious about his offers and stuff,

675
00:31:11,319 --> 00:31:13,640
then we again.

676
00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:15,920
Speaker 2: I miss who you said you were talking to. His

677
00:31:16,039 --> 00:31:19,680
name's Ish, oh, I know, yeah from U. Yeah, yeah,

678
00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:22,359
I go way back with this, back in our days.

679
00:31:23,359 --> 00:31:25,559
He was my representation.

680
00:31:26,319 --> 00:31:26,519
Speaker 3: Yeah.

681
00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:28,720
Speaker 4: Nice, Everyone ever was speaking to you says they go

682
00:31:28,799 --> 00:31:30,599
way back with this, So he must be a nice guy,

683
00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:33,400
you know what I mean. But so so far, Bro,

684
00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:37,759
everything's been good. You know, I'm you know, Ish flew

685
00:31:37,839 --> 00:31:40,200
out to Gold Coast. We had to sit down and

686
00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:43,039
you know, everything was just was was what we were

687
00:31:43,039 --> 00:31:44,839
looking for, you know what I mean, getting on big

688
00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:47,759
cards and and doing big fights and getting these stuffs

689
00:31:47,759 --> 00:31:49,720
over the line and stuff like that.

690
00:31:49,839 --> 00:31:51,880
Speaker 3: So it's it was just perfect.

691
00:31:52,279 --> 00:31:54,000
Speaker 2: So one of the things that was interesting, I think

692
00:31:54,039 --> 00:31:56,880
the reason, besides obviously you being a top world champion

693
00:31:57,240 --> 00:32:00,359
and becoming the first one to go with them, the

694
00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:03,039
thing that sort of I heard a lot from fans

695
00:32:03,079 --> 00:32:06,599
and other people in the business was because Dana White

696
00:32:06,599 --> 00:32:09,200
from ZUFA Boxing has not been shy about what he

697
00:32:09,240 --> 00:32:11,640
wants to do. He has said and certainly it's the

698
00:32:11,640 --> 00:32:14,680
prerogative of the company to not work with the sanctioning bodies.

699
00:32:14,680 --> 00:32:17,240
That's what they've said all along. I interviewed Dana when

700
00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:20,359
they first announced this project, and he said, yeah, we

701
00:32:20,359 --> 00:32:22,799
don't want to work with the organizations, okay, and they're

702
00:32:22,799 --> 00:32:24,960
going to have their own belt and this fight, of course,

703
00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:26,960
when you fight Brandon Glan is going to be for

704
00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:29,039
the first ever a ZUFA cruiser with that of the

705
00:32:29,079 --> 00:32:33,119
first of their titles in any way class, and I

706
00:32:33,160 --> 00:32:35,720
know you've made no secret about your desires. You just

707
00:32:35,759 --> 00:32:38,240
said it just now that you want to be evolved

708
00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:41,480
in unification fights and become eventually the undisputed cruiserweight champion.

709
00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:43,920
It is my understanding. You can tell me if I'm

710
00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:46,440
wrong that you are allowed to defend your IBF title,

711
00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:49,079
even though that's not the course that ZUFA maybe wants

712
00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:52,400
to go in, that you'll be permitted to pursue unifications

713
00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:55,160
with the other sanctioning bodies if those come to pass.

714
00:32:55,519 --> 00:32:58,000
Can you tell me how? How is that correct? And

715
00:32:59,279 --> 00:33:00,720
how did you able? How are you going to get

716
00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:03,119
that part of the deal done.

717
00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:05,359
Speaker 4: I don't really want to go back on you know

718
00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:08,160
what Dayana said. You know, he you know, I'm not

719
00:33:08,599 --> 00:33:11,519
sort of heater. You know he's wrong or right or whatever.

720
00:33:12,519 --> 00:33:15,279
Speaker 3: I can only speak for my own my own experiences.

721
00:33:15,480 --> 00:33:15,720
You know.

722
00:33:15,759 --> 00:33:19,720
Speaker 4: They told me, you know, undisputed was in our goals,

723
00:33:19,799 --> 00:33:22,440
you know what I mean. They said that we're going

724
00:33:22,519 --> 00:33:25,240
to have unification fights. Obviously, we have to keep winning,

725
00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:27,200
you know, we have to take care of business on

726
00:33:28,359 --> 00:33:32,640
March eighth, But unification fights was in the talks, you know,

727
00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:35,599
and it was a big selling point. To why I

728
00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:39,759
why I signed, you know what I mean? Because you know, otherwise,

729
00:33:39,799 --> 00:33:42,039
what are we doing as world champions?

730
00:33:42,119 --> 00:33:42,680
Speaker 3: You know what I mean?

731
00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:47,400
Speaker 4: We should be chasing undisputed all the fighters, all these

732
00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:50,880
other world champions. Once they get their world titled, then

733
00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:52,839
it should be the what's the next world title? I

734
00:33:52,839 --> 00:33:55,720
can get what's in and then they should be chasing undisputed. Otherwise,

735
00:33:55,759 --> 00:33:57,519
what are they doing?

736
00:33:57,680 --> 00:34:00,000
Speaker 2: You are considered the champion, you are the lineal cham

737
00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:02,400
you on the ring title. You have the IBF title,

738
00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:04,640
You're gonna get, you know, a chance to fight for

739
00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:08,400
the ZUFA title. Will you be defending your IBF title

740
00:34:08,440 --> 00:34:10,239
in this fight? I know they don't want to make

741
00:34:10,239 --> 00:34:12,239
that part of the promotion. I don't have a problem

742
00:34:12,239 --> 00:34:14,519
with that, but I'm from just a factual point of view.

743
00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:16,519
Is that on the line against Clanton?

744
00:34:18,559 --> 00:34:20,760
Speaker 3: I'm pretty sure it is. You know I was.

745
00:34:20,880 --> 00:34:23,599
Speaker 4: I went to the fights, you know, the the Guarcia

746
00:34:23,679 --> 00:34:27,679
fight on the weekend. I actually spoke to the I

747
00:34:27,719 --> 00:34:31,239
told him, you know, like, we're we want to fight

748
00:34:31,320 --> 00:34:33,559
for the IBF. You know, I want to work with

749
00:34:33,639 --> 00:34:37,360
these guys, you know what I mean. There's all this

750
00:34:37,519 --> 00:34:40,440
outside stuff, all this all this you know who's arguing

751
00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:43,440
with who? That's not the fighters, that's not that's not me,

752
00:34:43,840 --> 00:34:45,440
you know what I mean. I'm the one fighting. So

753
00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:50,199
I'm here to say, Look, I'm I want to be undisputed,

754
00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:53,760
and I can't do that if the boys don't see

755
00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:55,320
the same goal as me, you know what I mean.

756
00:34:55,360 --> 00:34:58,400
These sanctity bodies don't don't see the same and they're not.

757
00:34:58,360 --> 00:35:00,320
Speaker 3: Willing to sort of see the dream that I have,

758
00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:00,960
you know what I mean.

759
00:35:01,039 --> 00:35:06,159
Speaker 4: Like it's I feel like they sort of losing track

760
00:35:06,199 --> 00:35:10,079
of you know who, who's in charge of this and that?

761
00:35:10,199 --> 00:35:12,719
But who cares? Look, we want the big fights over

762
00:35:12,760 --> 00:35:15,840
the line, you know. We want to fucking see undisputed boxes.

763
00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:16,079
Speaker 3: You know.

764
00:35:16,159 --> 00:35:20,079
Speaker 4: It's it's well to my knowledge and what I'm what

765
00:35:20,199 --> 00:35:22,079
I know is the IBF is on the line.

766
00:35:22,119 --> 00:35:24,679
Speaker 2: So okay, So let's get to the fight a little bit.

767
00:35:24,719 --> 00:35:26,880
As far as where you're fighting the fight now, this

768
00:35:26,920 --> 00:35:28,840
will be your first time ever fighting in the United

769
00:35:28,840 --> 00:35:31,360
States in Las Vegas. On top of that, of course,

770
00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:33,440
in this country, the biggest fight city that there is

771
00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:36,280
a history of great fights throughout the years, and I

772
00:35:36,280 --> 00:35:38,920
wonder how how big for you as a young fighter

773
00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:41,320
and now as a champion, was it ever your goal?

774
00:35:41,679 --> 00:35:45,039
Where your dream to fight a championship level fight in

775
00:35:45,079 --> 00:35:46,519
the United States? On?

776
00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:49,840
Speaker 4: You know, it's uh, I feel like that. I've been

777
00:35:49,880 --> 00:35:51,599
fighting my whole life, you know what I mean. I've

778
00:35:51,599 --> 00:35:54,280
been watching I've been watching the best of the best

779
00:35:54,440 --> 00:35:57,800
fight here in Vegas my whole life since I was

780
00:35:57,840 --> 00:35:59,639
a little boy, you know what I mean. It's always

781
00:35:59,639 --> 00:36:02,880
been it's always been down the track, you know, like

782
00:36:03,360 --> 00:36:05,840
one one day, one day and even this one. You

783
00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:07,840
know it might not be the biggest arena, but this

784
00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:11,079
is a stepping stone. These are these are these are.

785
00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:14,760
Speaker 3: To me. I look at things like this like fighting

786
00:36:14,760 --> 00:36:16,480
in these their investments.

787
00:36:16,719 --> 00:36:19,880
Speaker 2: You're gonna what you're doing right, You're checking exactly.

788
00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:21,639
Speaker 3: It's investing.

789
00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:27,360
Speaker 4: It's it's you know, like investing isn't always money, Investing

790
00:36:27,480 --> 00:36:31,239
time and effort and and and you know, and fights.

791
00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:32,400
Speaker 3: And doing this so we can get here.

792
00:36:32,559 --> 00:36:35,119
Speaker 4: These these are these are investments in my in my

793
00:36:36,119 --> 00:36:38,559
in my career that are that are important, you know

794
00:36:38,559 --> 00:36:40,559
what I mean, Like I get to fight here in

795
00:36:40,639 --> 00:36:43,320
Vegas and then be a part of you know, this

796
00:36:43,519 --> 00:36:46,000
new chapter a zoo for boxing and be the biggest

797
00:36:46,519 --> 00:36:49,039
name in there. So far, you know, one of the

798
00:36:49,079 --> 00:36:54,840
first assigns, so you know, it's it's all just stepping

799
00:36:54,880 --> 00:36:59,719
stones man two. And I'm very confident that in a

800
00:36:59,800 --> 00:37:03,840
year I'll be able to call myself on disputed cruiseweight champion.

801
00:37:03,639 --> 00:37:03,960
Speaker 3: Of the World.

802
00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:07,400
Speaker 2: Well, Brandon Glan, Brandon Glanton is going to try to

803
00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:10,440
ruin those hopes and dreams for sure as your opponent

804
00:37:10,440 --> 00:37:12,880
in this fight. About a year ago, he lost a

805
00:37:12,920 --> 00:37:16,239
decision to the former w BO cruiserweight champion Chris Billum Smith.

806
00:37:16,639 --> 00:37:19,320
He came back in October and he scored a six

807
00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:22,960
round knockout against a longtime light heavyweight contender, former title

808
00:37:23,039 --> 00:37:25,920
challenger in Marcus Brown, who was a United States Olympian.

809
00:37:25,960 --> 00:37:28,800
He was coming off of a twenty six month playoff. What,

810
00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:31,599
in your opinion, whatever you've seen of Brandon land I

811
00:37:31,639 --> 00:37:34,840
saw your interview on where you were together on one

812
00:37:34,840 --> 00:37:37,239
of the Paramount Plus cards. What do you believe he

813
00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:40,239
brings to the table to challenge you in some manner

814
00:37:40,280 --> 00:37:40,719
in this fight.

815
00:37:43,199 --> 00:37:47,199
Speaker 4: He's tough, but he's tough, he's gritty, and he wants

816
00:37:47,239 --> 00:37:50,079
to win. You know, he's got no he's got a

817
00:37:50,159 --> 00:37:53,480
fucking big engine. He keeps walking forward, and he's just

818
00:37:53,559 --> 00:37:55,039
ready to have a crack, you know what I mean,

819
00:37:55,079 --> 00:37:58,760
he's dangerous to hold for you know, so you go

820
00:37:58,840 --> 00:38:01,239
to be switched on to be ready to fucking get

821
00:38:01,239 --> 00:38:04,760
in the trenches, you know when we are. So we's

822
00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:08,119
box smart, we do our thing and you just make

823
00:38:08,159 --> 00:38:10,599
him walk on the ship. But he's just gonna fucking

824
00:38:10,679 --> 00:38:13,079
do what we do. And that's the science of the sport.

825
00:38:13,400 --> 00:38:13,639
Speaker 1: You know.

826
00:38:14,519 --> 00:38:17,440
Speaker 4: Our skill levels is completely different, you know. But he's

827
00:38:18,719 --> 00:38:19,800
he's big, he's strong.

828
00:38:20,159 --> 00:38:20,360
Speaker 1: You know.

829
00:38:21,079 --> 00:38:24,840
Speaker 4: It doesn't take a fucking rocket sciences to see with

830
00:38:25,039 --> 00:38:26,920
our styles and how this fight matches up.

831
00:38:28,039 --> 00:38:29,639
Speaker 2: Well, I happen to think that it's going to be

832
00:38:29,679 --> 00:38:31,559
as the as they say a cracker. I mean, just

833
00:38:31,599 --> 00:38:33,079
knowing the way because I've seen both of you guys

834
00:38:33,119 --> 00:38:34,960
fight plenty of times. Going to be a good fight,

835
00:38:35,519 --> 00:38:37,440
how long it goes who that knows? I mean, you

836
00:38:37,480 --> 00:38:39,519
are known for your knockout power. We've seen what you've

837
00:38:39,519 --> 00:38:41,480
done in some of your recent fights. Do you feel

838
00:38:41,480 --> 00:38:44,679
like you can deliver that kind of spectacular knockout against Lanton?

839
00:38:45,360 --> 00:38:47,159
Speaker 4: I believe I can knock anyone out if I learn

840
00:38:47,199 --> 00:38:49,960
the right punch. You know, it's at the timing speed.

841
00:38:50,440 --> 00:38:54,400
Speaker 3: You know, it's it is what it is. And we're

842
00:38:54,400 --> 00:38:55,480
big boys, you know what I mean.

843
00:38:55,519 --> 00:39:00,920
Speaker 4: We're not fucking lightweights, you know, we're both punch hod

844
00:39:01,320 --> 00:39:01,519
you know.

845
00:39:01,679 --> 00:39:04,599
Speaker 3: So it's it's an exciting thought.

846
00:39:05,679 --> 00:39:08,599
Speaker 2: Since your your win in the rematch you had with

847
00:39:08,679 --> 00:39:10,719
Myris Bradus, who was you know, considered one of the

848
00:39:10,760 --> 00:39:12,679
top fighters out there. You won the title from him

849
00:39:12,719 --> 00:39:15,039
the first time you became champion. You fought him a

850
00:39:15,039 --> 00:39:17,639
second time in twenty twenty four. You've had four fights

851
00:39:17,679 --> 00:39:20,280
since then. You've won them all by knockout, some quite

852
00:39:20,320 --> 00:39:23,960
spectacular as I mentioned, Uh, but they've not been the

853
00:39:23,960 --> 00:39:29,480
biggest names. Jack Massey, David Nyika, Henry Squayo, Hussein Sinkara

854
00:39:29,559 --> 00:39:33,840
spectacular knockout. So they're obviously, you know, veteran professional fighters,

855
00:39:33,840 --> 00:39:37,840
and Nika was an Olympian, but not necessarily big name opponents.

856
00:39:37,920 --> 00:39:41,519
Was there any sort of frustration that you couldn't get

857
00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:45,760
a bigger, more well known opponent in those past four fights?

858
00:39:45,800 --> 00:39:48,559
Speaker 4: Of course, you know we were chasing these these are

859
00:39:48,599 --> 00:39:51,760
guys good fought us, you know, like like you said,

860
00:39:51,760 --> 00:39:53,960
we go to European Champions and MASSI, we go to

861
00:39:54,559 --> 00:39:59,079
you know, silver, silver, medalists at the Olympics in you know, Noaiga.

862
00:40:00,280 --> 00:40:03,159
Speaker 3: You know, I feel like they just they're just unknown,

863
00:40:03,440 --> 00:40:08,559
you know, the respect yeah, yeah, yeah, well but yeah,

864
00:40:08,599 --> 00:40:09,280
of course.

865
00:40:09,119 --> 00:40:12,079
Speaker 4: You know, we've been chasing these unification fights for for

866
00:40:12,159 --> 00:40:14,480
a long time, you know, you know, and it's been frustrating.

867
00:40:14,519 --> 00:40:18,039
But honestly, but it's all in the past. You know,

868
00:40:18,360 --> 00:40:20,039
We've got a job to do on the eighth. We

869
00:40:20,159 --> 00:40:22,280
are focused on the eighth, you know, like we're talking

870
00:40:22,320 --> 00:40:25,639
about a lot of things, but my main focus. And

871
00:40:25,719 --> 00:40:28,000
while I'm here the last couple of weeks, I've been

872
00:40:28,039 --> 00:40:31,119
away from home for fucking six weeks, now, you know

873
00:40:31,159 --> 00:40:34,440
what I mean. I've been making all the pain and sacrifices.

874
00:40:34,440 --> 00:40:37,039
I've been in the trenches, and that is for March eighth.

875
00:40:37,119 --> 00:40:39,199
So unless I take care of business on March eighth,

876
00:40:39,719 --> 00:40:43,679
none of this matters. Unifications, all this stuff, it means nothing.

877
00:40:43,960 --> 00:40:44,519
March eighth.

878
00:40:44,559 --> 00:40:45,159
Speaker 3: I need to win.

879
00:40:45,880 --> 00:40:48,039
Speaker 2: I do want to ask you about Zerdo Ramirez. He

880
00:40:48,079 --> 00:40:51,360
is the unified champion with the WBO and the WBA titles.

881
00:40:51,400 --> 00:40:53,559
I know your teams have spoken to one another about

882
00:40:53,559 --> 00:40:55,760
trying to make that fight a couple of times, uh,

883
00:40:56,039 --> 00:40:58,480
I know you guys are game four. It he decided

884
00:40:58,480 --> 00:40:59,639
that he was gonna go in the direction of the

885
00:40:59,760 --> 00:41:02,440
David ben A Vidias fight, which is not necessarily a

886
00:41:02,440 --> 00:41:04,679
fight with Jobatia, but David has a very good name

887
00:41:04,719 --> 00:41:07,440
here in America. UH, probably a bigger fight commercially, to

888
00:41:07,440 --> 00:41:09,480
be quite honest. Video, so they're doing that. They had

889
00:41:09,480 --> 00:41:12,079
a news conference on Saturday, UH in Las Vegas on

890
00:41:12,119 --> 00:41:15,679
the day of the Garcia and Barrios fight, sort of

891
00:41:16,440 --> 00:41:18,840
talking about just your inability to get that deal done

892
00:41:18,880 --> 00:41:22,199
and if and again any frustrations for knowing that the

893
00:41:22,280 --> 00:41:24,519
conversations were taking place, but you guys just can't get it.

894
00:41:24,519 --> 00:41:25,400
As they say over the.

895
00:41:25,360 --> 00:41:29,599
Speaker 4: Line, I don't think there was much conversation, to be honest,

896
00:41:29,639 --> 00:41:32,000
I feel like we fucking wanted the fought, and I said.

897
00:41:31,800 --> 00:41:34,000
Speaker 3: No, you know what I mean. So it is what

898
00:41:34,039 --> 00:41:34,400
it is.

899
00:41:35,719 --> 00:41:39,079
Speaker 4: You know the well, I'll go to take care of

900
00:41:39,159 --> 00:41:40,679
business on the IF and I'll go night.

901
00:41:40,760 --> 00:41:42,360
Speaker 3: Doubt that fat will come, you know what I mean.

902
00:41:42,440 --> 00:41:45,880
We just got to keep winning, keep focusing on our job.

903
00:41:46,159 --> 00:41:46,360
You know.

904
00:41:46,480 --> 00:41:50,079
Speaker 4: We gotta make sure we deliver every time we step

905
00:41:50,079 --> 00:41:52,679
in the ring, and then we just get closer and

906
00:41:52,719 --> 00:41:54,639
closer to getting these thoughts out of the line.

907
00:41:54,800 --> 00:41:56,719
Speaker 2: The one thing that was quite interesting is you did

908
00:41:56,760 --> 00:41:59,280
the interview, as I mentioned on Paramount Plus, when they

909
00:41:59,280 --> 00:42:01,800
introduced you as having signed with them, and then they've

910
00:42:01,840 --> 00:42:05,480
they posed you with a WBC champion in Noel mckellion.

911
00:42:05,760 --> 00:42:07,920
There was a lot of conjecture, a lot of speculation

912
00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:10,920
that when you did have your fight announced, this was

913
00:42:10,960 --> 00:42:13,840
before they announced Lanton as your challenger, that maybe you

914
00:42:13,880 --> 00:42:17,559
would be in a unification fight against Noel mckellian. Uh,

915
00:42:18,400 --> 00:42:20,400
that seems to be a fight that could be available.

916
00:42:20,400 --> 00:42:23,079
He doesn't have anything particular coming up. I just mentioned

917
00:42:23,079 --> 00:42:26,119
that Benevide's and Zerta were doing their thing. If you're

918
00:42:26,159 --> 00:42:28,920
successful against Brandon Land, is that the fight that you

919
00:42:28,920 --> 00:42:31,239
would target next to try to unify at least those

920
00:42:31,280 --> 00:42:31,920
two titles.

921
00:42:32,480 --> 00:42:35,840
Speaker 4: Definitely, you know, one night around June where like midyear,

922
00:42:35,880 --> 00:42:40,559
where when they're fighting Betavidez and Xerta. You know what

923
00:42:40,599 --> 00:42:43,079
I mean, we should be fighting around that time and

924
00:42:43,119 --> 00:42:44,760
then we can fight at the end of the year

925
00:42:44,800 --> 00:42:45,480
for unification.

926
00:42:45,639 --> 00:42:48,440
Speaker 2: It's perfect, but it seems that a great schedule.

927
00:42:48,840 --> 00:42:52,000
Speaker 3: It's fucking per It is perfect. That is more.

928
00:42:52,519 --> 00:42:56,039
Speaker 4: That is more Golf's per it's undisputed by the end

929
00:42:56,079 --> 00:42:57,960
of the year, and then whatever happens after that, by

930
00:42:58,039 --> 00:43:01,800
let's go, you know what I mean. But man, there's

931
00:43:01,840 --> 00:43:04,320
obviously a little moving pots for a plan on that

932
00:43:04,440 --> 00:43:06,440
to happen, you know, and they over the lawne up.

933
00:43:06,519 --> 00:43:09,920
Speaker 3: So and at the end of the day, all I'll

934
00:43:09,920 --> 00:43:12,000
go to do is keep winning. You know. I've got

935
00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:12,920
a job to do on the IF.

936
00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:15,880
Speaker 4: So let's not get keep talking about all these other thoughts,

937
00:43:15,920 --> 00:43:18,679
and they all sound good coming out of my mouth,

938
00:43:18,760 --> 00:43:22,159
but unless I take care of business IF of March,

939
00:43:22,599 --> 00:43:26,320
it is all imagination. It's all just talk and it

940
00:43:26,360 --> 00:43:29,679
sounds good, but we got to fucking hard test on March.

941
00:43:29,719 --> 00:43:29,920
Speaker 2: IF.

942
00:43:29,960 --> 00:43:31,119
Speaker 3: So I don't want to lose chrak of.

943
00:43:32,039 --> 00:43:33,679
Speaker 2: Okay, I just I want to wrap up in just

944
00:43:33,679 --> 00:43:36,840
one more thing. This goes beyond cruiserweight and top the

945
00:43:36,880 --> 00:43:40,599
possibility of unifying or becoming undisputed, whether that happens or

946
00:43:40,639 --> 00:43:42,960
it doesn't happen. I know you've mentioned in the past,

947
00:43:43,320 --> 00:43:45,599
your people have mentioned in the past, but eventually you

948
00:43:45,639 --> 00:43:47,960
will be fighting in the heavyweight division. I don't think

949
00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:50,840
there's been a top cruiserweight since the weight class has

950
00:43:50,840 --> 00:43:53,239
been created that hasn't at least at one point tried

951
00:43:53,239 --> 00:43:56,280
their hand in the heavyweight division. How much is that

952
00:43:56,320 --> 00:43:57,719
in your in the back of your mind. I know,

953
00:43:57,800 --> 00:43:59,119
like you said, you got March eith, and you got

954
00:43:59,159 --> 00:44:01,199
other things you want to still I'll accomplished as a

955
00:44:01,199 --> 00:44:04,519
cruiser weight. But the lure of the heavyweight uh division?

956
00:44:04,760 --> 00:44:06,920
Where does that kind of fit on your on your

957
00:44:07,119 --> 00:44:07,719
to do list?

958
00:44:10,239 --> 00:44:14,719
Speaker 4: It's a chapter after Undisputed. You know, I'm not losing

959
00:44:14,800 --> 00:44:17,119
truck of what I want, you know, And I'll keep talking.

960
00:44:17,320 --> 00:44:20,079
If I keep saying heavyweight, heavyweight by people get excited

961
00:44:20,119 --> 00:44:22,360
and then you know everyone's fucking oh, I just do

962
00:44:22,480 --> 00:44:24,119
it now by a shout up. You know, this is

963
00:44:24,119 --> 00:44:27,119
my life and when when my career is done and

964
00:44:27,199 --> 00:44:28,880
when I look back at it, I want to be

965
00:44:28,920 --> 00:44:30,599
proud of it, you know. I want to I want

966
00:44:30,599 --> 00:44:32,840
to say I did what I wanted to do, you

967
00:44:32,840 --> 00:44:35,960
know what I mean? So Undisputed first and then come

968
00:44:36,079 --> 00:44:37,159
talk to me about heavyweight.

969
00:44:38,159 --> 00:44:40,039
Speaker 2: That sounds like a good plan. First up, though, as

970
00:44:40,079 --> 00:44:43,079
you've said many times, March eighth, your main event against

971
00:44:43,079 --> 00:44:45,440
Brandon Glenn on Paramount Plus on the Zooper Boxing card.

972
00:44:45,480 --> 00:44:47,320
GI it's been a real pleasure to talk to you today.

973
00:44:47,320 --> 00:44:49,199
I appreciate your time. I wish your good luck in

974
00:44:49,760 --> 00:44:52,280
your fighting and pursuing your your goals and dreams.

975
00:44:52,639 --> 00:44:54,039
Speaker 3: Thank you, I appreciate your ton d.

976
00:44:55,599 --> 00:44:56,280
Speaker 2: Good luck to you.

977
00:44:58,440 --> 00:45:01,679
Speaker 1: First of all, as advertised to me privately, he may

978
00:45:01,719 --> 00:45:04,239
have rivaled you on the number of F bombs being

979
00:45:04,360 --> 00:45:08,920
used in the interview. Very interesting about his decision to

980
00:45:08,960 --> 00:45:12,800
come with ZUFA and the plans, et cetera. Clarify I

981
00:45:13,119 --> 00:45:16,440
said it teeing up the interview. What do we know?

982
00:45:16,599 --> 00:45:20,400
What do you know? Is this a sanctioned IBF Cruiserweight

983
00:45:20,440 --> 00:45:23,679
title fight or are they looking at this as a

984
00:45:23,800 --> 00:45:27,199
non title situation because they're not sanctioning it and they

985
00:45:27,280 --> 00:45:30,639
may strip him because it's not their title fight. What

986
00:45:31,039 --> 00:45:34,159
do we know about that leading into it? For the

987
00:45:34,280 --> 00:45:35,920
organizations and outside.

988
00:45:35,559 --> 00:45:40,280
Speaker 2: The ring, I can't say for one. Jai Opataiah, when

989
00:45:40,320 --> 00:45:43,280
I asked him in the interview, was believes that it's

990
00:45:43,280 --> 00:45:45,000
going to be for the title. He wasn't one hundred.

991
00:45:45,159 --> 00:45:46,960
I don't know if he's just playing possum and he

992
00:45:47,000 --> 00:45:48,480
doesn't want to talk about it, or he's been told

993
00:45:48,519 --> 00:45:50,800
not to talk about it. I can tell you this,

994
00:45:51,079 --> 00:45:53,920
I talked to the Opataia people on a regular basis.

995
00:45:54,400 --> 00:45:57,840
They have all said to me, essentially, we didn't go

996
00:45:57,880 --> 00:46:00,639
with ZUFA Boxing. This is Tasman fight. There's still this

997
00:46:00,679 --> 00:46:03,559
co promoter even though ZUFA is obviously taking charge now.

998
00:46:04,039 --> 00:46:07,440
They didn't go with them to give up their IBF title.

999
00:46:07,760 --> 00:46:10,760
And Jai Opataiah has spoken in this interview with me

1000
00:46:10,840 --> 00:46:14,360
as well as to others constantly ever since he became

1001
00:46:14,400 --> 00:46:18,360
the IBF champion for the second time. My goal is

1002
00:46:18,400 --> 00:46:20,760
to unify the titles and become undisputed. He must have

1003
00:46:20,840 --> 00:46:23,920
said it tej in the d with me fifty times.

1004
00:46:24,079 --> 00:46:28,079
Speaker 1: Yes, So can I ask a fundamental important question because

1005
00:46:28,079 --> 00:46:29,920
we pay attention to these things. Have they paid a

1006
00:46:29,960 --> 00:46:30,719
sanction fee?

1007
00:46:32,440 --> 00:46:34,239
Speaker 2: You don't pay a sanction fe until fight night anyway,

1008
00:46:34,239 --> 00:46:39,119
So that's because but here's here's the thing, one hundred percent.

1009
00:46:39,159 --> 00:46:41,360
You gotta figure there's stuff going on behind the scenes.

1010
00:46:41,440 --> 00:46:44,320
I can tell you this. I have a nice relationship

1011
00:46:44,320 --> 00:46:46,360
with my friends at the IBF who do IBF things.

1012
00:46:46,400 --> 00:46:48,159
I may rip them about this and that we have

1013
00:46:48,159 --> 00:46:50,719
a cordial professional relationship. I deal with them all the time.

1014
00:46:51,559 --> 00:46:54,719
I have asked a question both to their publicists as

1015
00:46:54,719 --> 00:46:58,960
well as to Daryl Peoples. I've called, I have texted.

1016
00:46:58,719 --> 00:47:01,320
Speaker 1: Darryl Ables is the president. Yeah, keep going.

1017
00:47:01,719 --> 00:47:03,760
Speaker 2: Daryl and I are cool, no problems. Never had a

1018
00:47:03,760 --> 00:47:05,559
bad word with Daryl Peoples and knowing the guy for

1019
00:47:05,599 --> 00:47:10,519
probably twenty something years. I've reached out to him a

1020
00:47:10,559 --> 00:47:13,400
dozen times in the past week or so maybe more.

1021
00:47:14,119 --> 00:47:17,400
Haven't gotten a response. Highly unusual. Doesn't want to The

1022
00:47:17,440 --> 00:47:19,679
publicists who I have a very nice relationship with do

1023
00:47:19,760 --> 00:47:22,199
I email with all the time about their purse bids

1024
00:47:22,199 --> 00:47:24,519
and their schedule of this and you know what the

1025
00:47:24,559 --> 00:47:28,119
particulars are in that she is a lovely woman. Won't

1026
00:47:28,159 --> 00:47:31,400
respond to that one question. Clearly something's up. It is

1027
00:47:31,440 --> 00:47:34,320
my opinion that they will work it out, that it

1028
00:47:34,360 --> 00:47:36,960
will be an IBF title fight. You probably won't see

1029
00:47:36,960 --> 00:47:39,159
the belt on the broadcast, you probably won't hear them

1030
00:47:39,159 --> 00:47:40,320
announce it in the ring.

1031
00:47:40,239 --> 00:47:44,400
Speaker 1: But the second they're billing this as the ZUFA Boxing

1032
00:47:45,960 --> 00:47:48,280
So what I'm saying is I fully expect that's how

1033
00:47:48,320 --> 00:47:50,000
they're going to introduce him. They're not going to introduce

1034
00:47:50,079 --> 00:47:51,199
him as the IBF World Channel.

1035
00:47:51,199 --> 00:47:53,280
Speaker 2: They're going to introduce him as the ring magazine champion.

1036
00:47:53,320 --> 00:47:55,719
Becausezoof is involved with Turkey. If you look at any

1037
00:47:55,719 --> 00:47:58,119
of the artwork, it simply says cruiserweight World title or

1038
00:47:58,119 --> 00:48:00,920
Cruiserweight World Championship. It doesn't specify now. But I'm not

1039
00:48:00,960 --> 00:48:03,800
offended by that because I've been down this road for many,

1040
00:48:03,840 --> 00:48:07,119
many years. You'd watch HBO and they wouldn't mention the letters.

1041
00:48:07,320 --> 00:48:09,239
They would just call it a heavyweight title fighter. They

1042
00:48:09,239 --> 00:48:11,280
would say it's the wealthweight title, and they didn't get

1043
00:48:11,280 --> 00:48:14,199
involved with the organizational stuff. And by the same token,

1044
00:48:14,239 --> 00:48:18,119
when PBC was created back in twenty fifteen, they spent

1045
00:48:18,159 --> 00:48:20,400
the first year plus doing their stuff where they wouldn't

1046
00:48:20,400 --> 00:48:22,559
mention it to the extent where they actually There is

1047
00:48:22,599 --> 00:48:24,360
one card I wish I can remember what show was

1048
00:48:24,639 --> 00:48:27,360
where there was almost like a physical altercation when one

1049
00:48:27,360 --> 00:48:29,519
of the PBC officials tried to remove the belt from

1050
00:48:29,559 --> 00:48:31,920
the ring. That's how militant they were about it. So

1051
00:48:32,159 --> 00:48:33,760
the fact that they don't want to mention or talk

1052
00:48:33,840 --> 00:48:37,280
to the IBF is perfectly fine. However, I believe when

1053
00:48:37,280 --> 00:48:39,159
it's all said and done, this fight's going to be

1054
00:48:39,239 --> 00:48:42,079
for the IBF title, because that's what Opata is all about, unifying,

1055
00:48:42,079 --> 00:48:44,599
and if he gets stripped or gives up the IBF title.

1056
00:48:44,639 --> 00:48:47,119
He cannot do that. They'll pay their fee, they'll be

1057
00:48:47,159 --> 00:48:50,719
a supervisor. They'll do the wait check on Sunday morning,

1058
00:48:50,760 --> 00:48:52,920
the day of the fight, because this fight's on Sunday night,

1059
00:48:53,000 --> 00:48:55,960
not Saturday or Friday, and then we'll know for sure.

1060
00:48:56,920 --> 00:49:00,840
But they don't expect Zoupa Boxing to talk at it,

1061
00:49:00,880 --> 00:49:02,360
to be involved in it. But at the end of

1062
00:49:02,360 --> 00:49:03,519
the day, I believe it's going to be for the

1063
00:49:03,599 --> 00:49:04,760
IBF title period, all.

1064
00:49:04,719 --> 00:49:07,480
Speaker 1: Right, So stay tuned. It is fight week for that,

1065
00:49:07,599 --> 00:49:10,480
and that's the most prominent fight coming this weekend, and

1066
00:49:10,519 --> 00:49:13,599
we'll have plenty of time to preview that. So I

1067
00:49:13,800 --> 00:49:19,039
was buzzing along on my Friday and then all of

1068
00:49:19,039 --> 00:49:22,320
a sudden, in my inbox came an announcement. Now, first

1069
00:49:22,320 --> 00:49:24,599
of all, I do keep up with the social media

1070
00:49:24,639 --> 00:49:27,719
here and there, and Alexander Usik, the unified heavyweight champ,

1071
00:49:28,320 --> 00:49:31,960
had cryptically put a couple of places about something big

1072
00:49:32,039 --> 00:49:34,960
coming blah blah blah. And now we know what the

1073
00:49:35,000 --> 00:49:38,320
something big is, and that's Turkey Alischic and the Ring

1074
00:49:38,400 --> 00:49:44,639
announcing that Usik will fight former longtime kickboxing heavyweight champion

1075
00:49:44,840 --> 00:49:48,559
Rico Verhoven. I would love to say that I've heard

1076
00:49:48,599 --> 00:49:50,480
of Rico Verhoven, but that means I would have to

1077
00:49:50,559 --> 00:49:53,519
keep up with kickboxing Glory kickboxing. I don't really know

1078
00:49:53,519 --> 00:49:56,519
about him. He was a boxer at one point back

1079
00:49:56,599 --> 00:50:00,599
in the twenty tens, but then became a kickboxer by

1080
00:50:00,679 --> 00:50:03,199
literal name that means you not only punch, but you

1081
00:50:03,239 --> 00:50:06,239
can kick the opponent for a while. This will be

1082
00:50:06,440 --> 00:50:10,320
in Egypt, Rayphael, we go in road trip to the

1083
00:50:10,320 --> 00:50:14,079
Pyramids of Egypt. This money tell me more about this

1084
00:50:14,360 --> 00:50:17,719
USI coming back, and it's not exactly an opponent we

1085
00:50:17,760 --> 00:50:18,480
know a lot about.

1086
00:50:18,679 --> 00:50:22,239
Speaker 2: It's called Glory at Giza. It's gonna take place in Giza, Egypt,

1087
00:50:22,280 --> 00:50:24,880
at the apparently in the realm of the base of

1088
00:50:24,920 --> 00:50:28,079
the pyramids, with them in the background outdoors, which I

1089
00:50:28,079 --> 00:50:29,760
can only imagine what the heat's going to be like

1090
00:50:29,800 --> 00:50:33,199
come May twenty third in Egypt. It'll be awfully hot,

1091
00:50:33,239 --> 00:50:37,880
I imagine. So in terms of the opponent, Rico Verhoven

1092
00:50:38,400 --> 00:50:41,400
he is. I'm not a huge kickboxing follower or fan,

1093
00:50:41,440 --> 00:50:44,079
but I actually have heard of him. He is regarded

1094
00:50:44,079 --> 00:50:47,519
as the greatest heavyweight kickboxer of all time. Within the

1095
00:50:47,519 --> 00:50:49,679
Glory promotion or maybe I don't know, if it's just

1096
00:50:49,719 --> 00:50:51,400
within it. No, I guess this is heir his whole career.

1097
00:50:51,679 --> 00:50:54,880
He's like sixty six and ten with twenty one knockouts

1098
00:50:54,920 --> 00:50:57,519
as a kickboxer. He's thirty six years old, so he's

1099
00:50:57,519 --> 00:51:00,679
actually younger than it was. He's from the Netherlands. He

1100
00:51:00,800 --> 00:51:04,119
vacated the Glory title in November. He holds all kinds

1101
00:51:04,119 --> 00:51:07,000
of records for Glory, which is the promotion that is

1102
00:51:07,079 --> 00:51:10,400
most notable, I guess in the world within kickboxing, most

1103
00:51:10,440 --> 00:51:14,719
wins and title bouts, most defenses, most wins, longest winning streak,

1104
00:51:14,760 --> 00:51:19,360
all kinds of different things. As a professional boxer, he's

1105
00:51:19,400 --> 00:51:22,360
one to oh. As a professional MMA fighter, he's one

1106
00:51:22,440 --> 00:51:26,400
to O. But obviously his career is made as a kickboxer. Now,

1107
00:51:26,599 --> 00:51:31,239
his reputation within kickboxing is obviously, you're going to be kickboxer,

1108
00:51:31,239 --> 00:51:33,119
you got to be able to kick. But he's known

1109
00:51:33,199 --> 00:51:35,079
to be good with his hands. He's a good puncher.

1110
00:51:35,639 --> 00:51:38,480
He has been a friend and close training partner over

1111
00:51:38,480 --> 00:51:42,400
the years with Tyson Fury. He credits Tyson Fury with

1112
00:51:42,440 --> 00:51:44,679
some of the tips and some of the instruction for

1113
00:51:44,800 --> 00:51:47,599
helping him become really a dep with his jet which

1114
00:51:47,639 --> 00:51:50,119
apparently is a good weapon for him, so he's tight

1115
00:51:50,159 --> 00:51:53,679
with Fury. It is my understanding that Peter Fury, who

1116
00:51:53,719 --> 00:51:57,360
is Tyson Fury's father and former trainer, will train him

1117
00:51:57,400 --> 00:52:01,039
as a boxer for this particular fight. So there's that

1118
00:52:01,679 --> 00:52:04,119
or not not. That's what Tyson's uncle, I guess.

1119
00:52:03,880 --> 00:52:07,519
Speaker 1: His uncle jonas dad got to keep all the Furies.

1120
00:52:07,599 --> 00:52:10,679
Speaker 2: There's a lot of Furies, so there's that aspect. And

1121
00:52:10,800 --> 00:52:16,000
if you remember before the terrible tragedy that that that

1122
00:52:16,119 --> 00:52:18,679
injured Anthony Joshua and took the life of his friends

1123
00:52:19,119 --> 00:52:22,280
in uh their trip to Nigeria, there was a lot

1124
00:52:22,280 --> 00:52:25,400
of discussion about Anthony Joshua was going to have a

1125
00:52:25,440 --> 00:52:28,519
so called tune up fighter, you whatever, fight in the

1126
00:52:28,559 --> 00:52:31,880
February March timeframe as they look to set up the

1127
00:52:31,960 --> 00:52:34,920
possibility of the big fight against Tyson Fury. One of

1128
00:52:34,920 --> 00:52:37,960
the opponents that was discussed that would be the opponent

1129
00:52:37,960 --> 00:52:40,280
for Anthony Joshua on that car had it taken place

1130
00:52:40,280 --> 00:52:42,159
in February, where if they were going to do it

1131
00:52:42,199 --> 00:52:48,119
in March, was this kickboxer. Obviously, with Anthony Joshua not

1132
00:52:48,159 --> 00:52:50,440
fighting at this point, probably not can we say this.

1133
00:52:51,519 --> 00:52:55,800
Speaker 1: He doesn't have a massive following social media wise or otherwise,

1134
00:52:55,840 --> 00:52:58,360
So it's just kind of curious that this is the choice.

1135
00:52:58,440 --> 00:53:01,559
Like for example, France is in Ganu had a much

1136
00:53:01,760 --> 00:53:05,360
much bigger following out of UFC when Tyson Fury was

1137
00:53:05,360 --> 00:53:06,199
fighting him.

1138
00:53:06,239 --> 00:53:08,559
Speaker 2: Well, much bigger than Glory correct.

1139
00:53:08,239 --> 00:53:10,920
Speaker 1: So that so that kind of connect the dots makes sense.

1140
00:53:11,000 --> 00:53:14,039
Jake Paul fighting Nate Diaz out of the UFC world

1141
00:53:14,320 --> 00:53:16,920
kind of the same thing. That makes sense. This just

1142
00:53:17,039 --> 00:53:20,800
is kind of it's strange.

1143
00:53:19,559 --> 00:53:22,280
Speaker 2: Thing about this. When they announced the fight in the

1144
00:53:22,280 --> 00:53:25,360
press release that was sent out by h Ring magazine

1145
00:53:25,360 --> 00:53:29,000
in Turkey's publicist people, it was said it's going to

1146
00:53:29,079 --> 00:53:32,880
be for the WBC heavyweight title. It was called the

1147
00:53:32,960 --> 00:53:34,800
ring so obviously he's the ring champion. It's going to

1148
00:53:34,840 --> 00:53:37,159
be for the ring title. Also, no mention of the

1149
00:53:37,280 --> 00:53:40,280
WBA title or the IBF title, both of which Usik

1150
00:53:40,320 --> 00:53:43,000
also holds. He obviously vacated the WBO title not that

1151
00:53:43,039 --> 00:53:45,920
long ago. Uh and Savia Wardley was upgraded, so they're

1152
00:53:45,960 --> 00:53:48,320
not involved the WBO. So I reached out to my

1153
00:53:48,360 --> 00:53:51,280
friends at the IBF and to the WBA. The IBF

1154
00:53:51,360 --> 00:53:51,760
said to me.

1155
00:53:51,960 --> 00:53:54,159
Speaker 1: Now wait, wait, the IBF that won't give you an

1156
00:53:54,159 --> 00:53:56,960
answer on Jio Pataiah did give you an answer on

1157
00:53:57,039 --> 00:53:59,280
this question. So they're capable of answering some of the

1158
00:53:59,320 --> 00:54:00,000
things go ahead.

1159
00:54:00,079 --> 00:54:02,800
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, no doubt about it. So they said to

1160
00:54:02,840 --> 00:54:07,679
me that in terms of of the they hadn't been there,

1161
00:54:07,760 --> 00:54:10,920
diden no inquiry made by anybody from Team USIK about

1162
00:54:10,960 --> 00:54:13,280
sanctioning any kind of fighter, doing a heavyweight title fighter,

1163
00:54:13,320 --> 00:54:15,519
or trying to get an exception or anything to that extent.

1164
00:54:15,840 --> 00:54:18,440
So as far as they're concerned, from what they told me,

1165
00:54:18,800 --> 00:54:21,639
the IBF knows what we know about it, what's been

1166
00:54:21,920 --> 00:54:26,159
sent out by their announcement, what's been in the media today.

1167
00:54:26,199 --> 00:54:28,559
On Sunday, I finally got a text message back from

1168
00:54:28,599 --> 00:54:31,719
gil Berta. Mendoza from the w BA about it and

1169
00:54:31,800 --> 00:54:34,199
said they also have not asked Now there they can

1170
00:54:34,320 --> 00:54:36,840
ask for a special permit, but they have not done

1171
00:54:36,880 --> 00:54:40,920
so just yet, and so it's unclear whether it would

1172
00:54:40,960 --> 00:54:42,159
be for either of those belts.

1173
00:54:42,159 --> 00:54:42,280
Speaker 3: Now.

1174
00:54:42,320 --> 00:54:45,719
Speaker 2: In terms of the WBC, when the promotion announced that

1175
00:54:45,800 --> 00:54:48,039
this would be for the WBC title, WBC title, that

1176
00:54:48,320 --> 00:54:51,480
was premature because when I saw that, like I did

1177
00:54:51,559 --> 00:54:53,920
with the w BA and the IBF. I reached out

1178
00:54:53,960 --> 00:54:56,639
to Murcusulmann and said, what's the story with this, what's

1179
00:54:56,679 --> 00:55:00,039
going on? And the response from the WBC and for

1180
00:55:00,119 --> 00:55:02,920
Mauritia was that it wasn't necessarily for the title. They

1181
00:55:02,920 --> 00:55:05,239
had not yet asked for a sanction, but it would

1182
00:55:05,239 --> 00:55:07,639
be allowed as what they call a special event. Because

1183
00:55:07,639 --> 00:55:10,719
if you're the WBC champion in any similar.

1184
00:55:10,400 --> 00:55:13,360
Speaker 1: To Fury being the WBC championee.

1185
00:55:13,960 --> 00:55:16,159
Speaker 2: You have to get permission. There's a sanction fees in

1186
00:55:16,159 --> 00:55:17,559
the volve. We don't have to reletigate all the ship

1187
00:55:17,559 --> 00:55:20,880
with the sanction fees. But that they were enthusiastically supporting

1188
00:55:20,920 --> 00:55:23,440
this as a special event. They'd make the special Egypt

1189
00:55:23,480 --> 00:55:26,519
you know, geeze a delt whatever, and they would do that.

1190
00:55:26,599 --> 00:55:29,079
Now that was I believe on Friday when this was

1191
00:55:29,119 --> 00:55:31,599
first announced. So between Friday when it was announced and

1192
00:55:31,679 --> 00:55:35,280
sometimes Sunday afternoon they did a discussion with their board

1193
00:55:35,280 --> 00:55:38,639
of governors, who you approved, and it's now going to

1194
00:55:38,639 --> 00:55:41,599
be sanctioned for the WBC Heavyweight title. Now I don't

1195
00:55:41,639 --> 00:55:43,400
have a problem if they want to do it as

1196
00:55:43,400 --> 00:55:46,159
a special event. I've been saying all week and since

1197
00:55:46,159 --> 00:55:47,800
this was first announced. I got no problem with do

1198
00:55:47,920 --> 00:55:50,159
Sick fighting the guy. You know, he's at a level

1199
00:55:50,199 --> 00:55:52,679
of his career where you know the mandatory is not

1200
00:55:52,800 --> 00:55:55,880
due yet. The WBC has said, you know, there's an

1201
00:55:55,880 --> 00:55:58,599
optional if he wants it, which he does. He's ordered

1202
00:55:58,639 --> 00:56:01,199
to fight Cabio after this, says was the interim champion,

1203
00:56:01,400 --> 00:56:04,039
but he's got a chance to fight whoever he wants now.

1204
00:56:04,880 --> 00:56:06,559
So I figured they would make this sort of like

1205
00:56:06,559 --> 00:56:09,440
they did with the Gandhu and uh and And and

1206
00:56:09,519 --> 00:56:12,679
Fury fight, kind of a weird crossover kind of fight,

1207
00:56:12,920 --> 00:56:14,440
get a lot of eyeballs, get a lot of attention,

1208
00:56:14,440 --> 00:56:16,360
but not going to be for the actual title, at

1209
00:56:16,440 --> 00:56:19,480
least not for the the sanctioned by the title. For me,

1210
00:56:19,880 --> 00:56:21,800
if you step in the ring as the lineal champion,

1211
00:56:21,840 --> 00:56:24,280
which is not related to adult specific if you win,

1212
00:56:24,599 --> 00:56:26,519
you're still the Champions of Defense. If you lose, the

1213
00:56:26,519 --> 00:56:28,519
other guy becomes the lineal champ. Had n the gone

1214
00:56:28,519 --> 00:56:30,519
who defeated Fury, he would have been the lineal heavyweight

1215
00:56:30,599 --> 00:56:34,239
champ whatever. Today though on Sunday as we speak, they

1216
00:56:34,239 --> 00:56:36,679
approve this as the heavyweight championship fight for the WBC.

1217
00:56:36,800 --> 00:56:39,599
That I disagree with. Nothing against for Ahovin.

1218
00:56:40,320 --> 00:56:42,599
Speaker 1: It's going to be a twelve round title fight. Absolutely

1219
00:56:42,639 --> 00:56:44,679
that reason because the again, the Fury fight was a

1220
00:56:44,679 --> 00:56:49,440
ten round fight, So that that's Can I just intererg.

1221
00:56:49,599 --> 00:56:51,039
Speaker 2: I don't have a problem with the fight, I do

1222
00:56:51,119 --> 00:56:52,559
have a problem with it being for the title.

1223
00:56:53,519 --> 00:56:54,800
Speaker 1: Can I go one step further?

1224
00:56:54,960 --> 00:56:55,280
Speaker 2: Sure?

1225
00:56:55,360 --> 00:56:58,840
Speaker 1: Are we headed to fracturing all the heavyweight titles because

1226
00:56:58,880 --> 00:57:01,559
he now doesn't care about the WBA or IBF belt.

1227
00:57:01,599 --> 00:57:04,159
He's got the WBC belt, he's got the ring belt,

1228
00:57:04,159 --> 00:57:06,280
he's got Turkey Ali Sheik's money. He's maybe only gonna

1229
00:57:06,320 --> 00:57:09,440
fight one or two more times anyway, Is that what

1230
00:57:09,480 --> 00:57:10,079
we're headed for?

1231
00:57:10,440 --> 00:57:10,559
Speaker 2: That?

1232
00:57:10,679 --> 00:57:12,960
Speaker 1: Is that what this signals that he doesn't care about

1233
00:57:12,960 --> 00:57:14,079
those other two titles, and it.

1234
00:57:14,119 --> 00:57:16,159
Speaker 2: Very well could be. And by the way, and then

1235
00:57:16,199 --> 00:57:19,559
in boxing, when there's undisputed champions, rarely do they keep

1236
00:57:19,559 --> 00:57:21,199
them unified for a long period of time. And if

1237
00:57:21,199 --> 00:57:23,159
you take a look in terms of the four belts,

1238
00:57:23,559 --> 00:57:27,119
since there's been champions unifying and becoming undisputed as a

1239
00:57:27,159 --> 00:57:31,039
four belt champion, it is rare that anybody defends more

1240
00:57:31,079 --> 00:57:31,840
than once or twice.

1241
00:57:31,840 --> 00:57:33,159
Speaker 1: The rest I understand, I.

1242
00:57:33,079 --> 00:57:34,840
Speaker 2: Mean in a way has done it at one twenty two,

1243
00:57:34,880 --> 00:57:37,760
he's defended it several times, all of them together. When

1244
00:57:37,800 --> 00:57:40,119
Canelo was the undisputed champion at Super mid Away, he

1245
00:57:40,199 --> 00:57:42,960
defended it several a few times, but that was and

1246
00:57:42,960 --> 00:57:44,679
he would have continued to do so until he got

1247
00:57:44,679 --> 00:57:47,400
stripped of the IBF prior to I believe it was

1248
00:57:47,519 --> 00:57:49,800
before the Berlanga fight because he wouldn't fight your boy

1249
00:57:49,840 --> 00:57:53,559
William Skull, and then he fought him anyway and reunified

1250
00:57:53,559 --> 00:57:56,239
the titles. But the fact is, there's a lot of

1251
00:57:56,280 --> 00:57:58,400
guys that have become undisputed in terms of the four

1252
00:57:58,440 --> 00:58:01,719
belts and either never defend Like Terrence Crawford became undisputed

1253
00:58:01,719 --> 00:58:05,000
at Welterway, he never defended the four belts. Charlow became

1254
00:58:05,000 --> 00:58:08,039
the undisputed with the four belts at Jummer Midiway never defended,

1255
00:58:08,079 --> 00:58:09,840
and on and on. I could go. So if the

1256
00:58:09,880 --> 00:58:12,920
belts end up fracturing in this particular situation, that's not

1257
00:58:13,199 --> 00:58:16,800
totally unusual. He'll still be the heavyweight champs as the

1258
00:58:16,840 --> 00:58:18,880
man who beat the man who beat the man, et cetera.

1259
00:58:18,960 --> 00:58:21,480
But if the if the individual belts become fractured, so

1260
00:58:21,559 --> 00:58:23,519
be it. I mean, you'd like to see him keep

1261
00:58:23,599 --> 00:58:26,079
him together. If they can't, they can't clearly the WBC

1262
00:58:26,239 --> 00:58:28,000
is behind him, and you know he's okay with that.

1263
00:58:28,039 --> 00:58:29,760
We'll see what happens with the w BA and the

1264
00:58:29,800 --> 00:58:32,519
ib F and the WBO. That ship has already sailed.

1265
00:58:33,960 --> 00:58:37,599
Speaker 1: So that is from May in Egypt. Raypaiel currently speaking

1266
00:58:37,599 --> 00:58:40,039
of passports earlier with email, will not rotches. I have

1267
00:58:40,079 --> 00:58:42,199
to you do not You do not have an Egypt

1268
00:58:42,199 --> 00:58:43,719
stamp on your passport? Am I correct?

1269
00:58:44,079 --> 00:58:45,960
Speaker 2: Not correct? I will say this though I did just

1270
00:58:46,039 --> 00:58:48,519
for my own amusement. I did look to see what

1271
00:58:48,519 --> 00:58:51,039
what the travel situation was. You can there are there

1272
00:58:51,039 --> 00:58:53,360
are there are like many flights a week that are

1273
00:58:53,440 --> 00:58:55,760
NonStop from Dulles Airport, which is you know, it's half

1274
00:58:55,800 --> 00:58:58,800
an hour by was you know in Virginia on the

1275
00:58:58,800 --> 00:59:01,920
outskirts of Washington. D see about a twelve hour flight

1276
00:59:01,960 --> 00:59:04,320
from Dollas to Cairo, Piro to Cairo.

1277
00:59:04,599 --> 00:59:07,800
Speaker 1: Yes, sir, so there is a possibility. Let's tease up

1278
00:59:07,840 --> 00:59:10,760
the audio. It's a possibility. I was just we could

1279
00:59:10,840 --> 00:59:14,519
get Rayphiel in a selfie in front of the pyramids

1280
00:59:15,039 --> 00:59:17,400
in Egypt. You never know, stay tuned.

1281
00:59:17,440 --> 00:59:19,559
Speaker 2: I mean I can probably just create that my son

1282
00:59:19,639 --> 00:59:21,559
is good with all the photoshop and all that that

1283
00:59:21,639 --> 00:59:23,639
makes that stuff all the time, I can actually get

1284
00:59:23,639 --> 00:59:24,679
my son the trip.

1285
00:59:24,760 --> 00:59:26,440
Speaker 1: Baby. Let's go to Giza.

1286
00:59:26,519 --> 00:59:28,360
Speaker 2: I'll tell you what are you? You come up to Virginia.

1287
00:59:28,400 --> 00:59:30,280
We'll travel from dollars together about God.

1288
00:59:30,320 --> 00:59:33,199
Speaker 1: Can you imagine you and me in Egypt. We've met

1289
00:59:33,280 --> 00:59:36,159
one other place in person we talk about this is Vegas.

1290
00:59:36,400 --> 00:59:38,719
If place two is the Pyramids in Egypt. We got

1291
00:59:38,800 --> 00:59:41,519
to write a book. We gotta write a book about that.

1292
00:59:41,519 --> 00:59:42,880
Speaker 2: That would have to be like we'd have to do

1293
00:59:42,960 --> 00:59:45,280
like a podcast every day Earth.

1294
00:59:45,039 --> 00:59:49,360
Speaker 1: Yes from Egypt, something about froh, something about you know,

1295
00:59:50,199 --> 00:59:56,559
the construction of the pyramids, the whole bit. Camel uh, Yes, fantastic.

1296
00:59:57,039 --> 01:00:00,159
Hey listen, Hey, a buddy of mine, Mike Gill. I'm

1297
01:00:00,159 --> 01:00:02,159
gonna shout him out. He he's a boxing guy. He

1298
01:00:02,159 --> 01:00:06,199
hears his podcast sometimes. Mike and his longtime significant other, Heidi,

1299
01:00:06,719 --> 01:00:12,599
they went on vacation to a destination in northern Africa

1300
01:00:12,639 --> 01:00:14,599
in southern Egypt. I don't know how close it is

1301
01:00:14,639 --> 01:00:17,280
to Giza. And he said, this is interesting for all

1302
01:00:17,280 --> 01:00:20,599
the sterios. Okay, so he said, for all the all

1303
01:00:20,639 --> 01:00:23,840
the stereotyping about camels. He's like, we've been here two

1304
01:00:23,920 --> 01:00:27,400
days and we ain't seen a camel. We've seen mules,

1305
01:00:27,719 --> 01:00:31,119
we've seen horses, we've seen goats. I don't know where

1306
01:00:31,199 --> 01:00:33,280
we got to go, but we haven't seen camels.

1307
01:00:33,360 --> 01:00:35,039
Speaker 2: Are we gonna Are we gonna like get them like

1308
01:00:35,079 --> 01:00:37,519
some kind of like uh, like a raft and like

1309
01:00:37,559 --> 01:00:38,679
float down the Nile River?

1310
01:00:38,840 --> 01:00:42,880
Speaker 1: I don't know, but Guild because I saw his social

1311
01:00:42,960 --> 01:00:44,840
media videos where he was walking around. He's going, there's

1312
01:00:44,840 --> 01:00:46,199
not a camel to be found anywhere he goes. Look

1313
01:00:46,199 --> 01:00:47,639
at the goats, look at the look at the mules

1314
01:00:47,679 --> 01:00:48,079
and everybody.

1315
01:00:48,119 --> 01:00:50,400
Speaker 2: They do that in the they floated down the Nile

1316
01:00:50,440 --> 01:00:51,960
on the in the Ten Commandments movie.

1317
01:00:52,039 --> 01:00:54,079
Speaker 1: Maybe they did? Is that Charlton Heston.

1318
01:00:53,840 --> 01:00:55,639
Speaker 2: I believe, one of the great movies of all time.

1319
01:00:57,039 --> 01:00:59,760
Speaker 1: All Right, so I think we've covered the Egyptian angle,

1320
01:00:59,880 --> 01:01:03,400
the Usik angles. Stay tuned for May. That is May

1321
01:01:03,519 --> 01:01:05,960
twenty third, that that defense is.

1322
01:01:06,039 --> 01:01:07,559
Speaker 2: I have to say one thing, by the way, as

1323
01:01:07,559 --> 01:01:11,159
far as that fight goes between Usk and Verhoven, the

1324
01:01:11,599 --> 01:01:15,480
amount of ire that I've seen on social media is

1325
01:01:15,519 --> 01:01:17,880
like almost on parallels compared to what i've seen for

1326
01:01:17,920 --> 01:01:20,639
other fights that people are just so irritated by this

1327
01:01:20,639 --> 01:01:21,239
for some reason.

1328
01:01:21,360 --> 01:01:23,840
Speaker 1: It would again, it would make more sense if he

1329
01:01:24,039 --> 01:01:27,159
was a bigger known commodity kind of in his prime,

1330
01:01:27,199 --> 01:01:29,519
and god really wasn't in his prime anymore. That was

1331
01:01:29,559 --> 01:01:31,880
a little more acceptable back two and a half years ago.

1332
01:01:32,559 --> 01:01:35,480
So I don't know. And how many more times is

1333
01:01:35,599 --> 01:01:39,199
Usik fighting? This is obviously cash grab? This is money grab.

1334
01:01:38,960 --> 01:01:41,360
Speaker 2: Who but I mean when you say money grab, it's

1335
01:01:41,440 --> 01:01:43,280
prize fighting. The idea is to make as much money

1336
01:01:43,280 --> 01:01:43,480
as you.

1337
01:01:43,639 --> 01:01:46,079
Speaker 1: I don't disagree, but this is not for a guy

1338
01:01:46,119 --> 01:01:48,920
that's legitimately a threat to beat him in a boxing match.

1339
01:01:49,159 --> 01:01:51,880
I mean, not legitimately a threat to win the heavyweight title.

1340
01:01:51,920 --> 01:01:54,960
Speaker 2: Husik is probably at worst number three on the pound

1341
01:01:54,960 --> 01:01:56,400
for pound list, so some might have a number one

1342
01:01:56,400 --> 01:01:58,320
on the pound for boundst So you look at that

1343
01:01:58,360 --> 01:02:01,559
and you're like, you wish he was fighting somebody there yet. Obviously,

1344
01:02:02,480 --> 01:02:04,400
but if you're at you're at the twilight of your

1345
01:02:04,400 --> 01:02:06,480
current age thirty nine, and you can make a bowtload

1346
01:02:06,519 --> 01:02:09,280
of cash. I can't really complain to argue about it.

1347
01:02:09,280 --> 01:02:10,599
I mean, I don't. I'm not gonna see and tell

1348
01:02:10,639 --> 01:02:11,840
you I love it, but I'm not gonna shot on

1349
01:02:11,880 --> 01:02:13,760
the fight. I don't like it. As for the title,

1350
01:02:13,840 --> 01:02:16,119
that's clear, but the fact that he's doing the fight,

1351
01:02:16,320 --> 01:02:19,760
I mean, I'm over that. I mean, I dealt with

1352
01:02:19,800 --> 01:02:22,599
Connor McGregor and Floyd Mayweather. I dealt with Floyd with

1353
01:02:22,800 --> 01:02:25,960
Tyson Fury against Naganu. You know, the Floyd one and

1354
01:02:26,039 --> 01:02:28,280
McGregor was the least offensive. Because Floyd is coming out

1355
01:02:28,320 --> 01:02:30,280
of retirement. It wasn't for any titles. It was just

1356
01:02:30,280 --> 01:02:32,280
two big names doing a big boxing match, and it

1357
01:02:32,280 --> 01:02:34,639
turned out to be among his mego Then it was

1358
01:02:34,639 --> 01:02:36,400
a little different when you got Fury as the heavyweight

1359
01:02:36,440 --> 01:02:39,079
champ and that Wusik is heavyweight champ. There's a little

1360
01:02:39,079 --> 01:02:40,079
bit different there, I think.

1361
01:02:40,840 --> 01:02:41,079
Speaker 3: All right.

1362
01:02:41,079 --> 01:02:44,639
Speaker 1: A couple of other news items. Ryan Garcia says he's

1363
01:02:44,679 --> 01:02:47,559
healing up from a sprain hand in the Mario Barrios

1364
01:02:47,599 --> 01:02:51,840
Win says on social media he wants to fight Devin

1365
01:02:51,920 --> 01:02:56,159
Haney be back this summer. Haney said he was at

1366
01:02:56,239 --> 01:03:01,159
the Navarata Nunez title fight van and Glendale, Arizona. He

1367
01:03:01,239 --> 01:03:03,920
said on his own I would I would fight Ryan

1368
01:03:03,920 --> 01:03:05,039
Garcia in a rematch.

1369
01:03:05,400 --> 01:03:07,000
Speaker 2: Well, I mean that good thing.

1370
01:03:07,119 --> 01:03:08,119
Speaker 1: Stay tuned, we'll see.

1371
01:03:08,119 --> 01:03:10,480
Speaker 2: That's a big fight. I mean the first fight commercially

1372
01:03:10,800 --> 01:03:14,559
absolutely did terribly. I mean, that's why neither That's why

1373
01:03:14,599 --> 01:03:16,400
neither fighter made any upside on the pay per view,

1374
01:03:16,440 --> 01:03:18,480
because the pay per view did not do well. But

1375
01:03:18,639 --> 01:03:21,159
at this point, given everything that's happened with the positive

1376
01:03:21,239 --> 01:03:24,079
drug test, with the back and forth between these two guys,

1377
01:03:24,079 --> 01:03:25,639
with the fact that both of them are coming off

1378
01:03:25,719 --> 01:03:29,760
very impressive victories. Ryan looked really good against Barrios winning

1379
01:03:29,760 --> 01:03:33,480
the WBC Welterway title. Haney bounced back looked really good

1380
01:03:33,519 --> 01:03:37,280
winning the WBO belt against Brian Norman. Uh, They're going

1381
01:03:37,360 --> 01:03:39,880
to go back and forth about forever with everything that's

1382
01:03:39,880 --> 01:03:42,079
been going on between these two guys. So for me,

1383
01:03:42,280 --> 01:03:45,840
that's probably the biggest fight you can make in American boxing.

1384
01:03:46,199 --> 01:03:48,239
I think it's even a bigger fight than Boutennis and

1385
01:03:48,320 --> 01:03:50,199
Virgil Ortiz, as much as we love that fight. And

1386
01:03:50,360 --> 01:03:52,239
even though it's not on the rundown, I'll just slip

1387
01:03:52,280 --> 01:03:54,559
in that the judge did not roll during last week.

1388
01:03:54,599 --> 01:03:56,360
So now the clock is ticking. We'll see what happens.

1389
01:03:56,960 --> 01:03:59,400
Speaker 1: Who's which one of us was saying, justice delayed is

1390
01:03:59,519 --> 01:04:01,760
justice to the judge needs.

1391
01:04:01,480 --> 01:04:04,920
Speaker 2: To rule your opinion on just as delayed, as Justine denied,

1392
01:04:05,440 --> 01:04:08,039
is not what I agree with, because I don't believe

1393
01:04:08,039 --> 01:04:10,599
that an extra week or two is delaying months. Yes,

1394
01:04:10,760 --> 01:04:13,679
a week or several days not a delay. Nonetheless, back then.

1395
01:04:13,599 --> 01:04:15,800
Speaker 1: Gel or Chies is trying to get a deal with

1396
01:04:15,880 --> 01:04:18,320
Jiron Innis and has been, and Innis can clearly go

1397
01:04:18,400 --> 01:04:19,400
fight somebody else.

1398
01:04:19,440 --> 01:04:22,440
Speaker 2: Nothing is going to happen until there's a judgment in

1399
01:04:22,480 --> 01:04:24,320
this case, before they decide what they're going to do,

1400
01:04:24,559 --> 01:04:27,159
and that should be soon. Anyway, As far as Hani

1401
01:04:27,280 --> 01:04:30,880
and Garcia, I believe if they do the rematch, it's

1402
01:04:30,920 --> 01:04:32,960
a much bigger fight than the first time for all

1403
01:04:33,000 --> 01:04:35,199
the reasons I just mentioned. It is a unification fight,

1404
01:04:35,840 --> 01:04:37,719
and we'll see if they can make it. Now. If

1405
01:04:37,719 --> 01:04:40,239
they can't make it for whatever reason, I guess there's

1406
01:04:40,280 --> 01:04:42,440
other fights that they could do, but I think that

1407
01:04:42,440 --> 01:04:44,960
would probably be the first choice for most people, and

1408
01:04:45,079 --> 01:04:47,280
hopefully they'll get it done and there'll be a lot

1409
01:04:47,280 --> 01:04:49,239
of snippiness to that promotion. There'll be a lot of

1410
01:04:50,000 --> 01:04:51,880
breaking down the first fight, a lot of stuff about

1411
01:04:51,920 --> 01:04:55,159
what they've done since Roly Romero beating Ryan Garcia, Devin

1412
01:04:55,199 --> 01:04:57,880
Haney winning but looking horrible against Jose Ramirez, but then

1413
01:04:57,880 --> 01:05:01,639
coming back and both scoring big victories. I think most

1414
01:05:01,639 --> 01:05:04,119
people would say that that Brian Norman was a better

1415
01:05:04,159 --> 01:05:06,840
grade of opponent that Haini beat than than the Mario

1416
01:05:06,920 --> 01:05:08,840
Barrios that Ryan Garcia beat. I mean, there'll be a

1417
01:05:08,880 --> 01:05:11,000
lot to discuss in that fight. There'll be a ton

1418
01:05:11,039 --> 01:05:13,679
of you know, I'll go back to my early days.

1419
01:05:13,679 --> 01:05:18,039
I remember in starting my job at USA Today, which

1420
01:05:18,039 --> 01:05:22,599
I got hired for, by the way, in the past week,

1421
01:05:22,840 --> 01:05:26,199
back in twenty twenty six years ago, early on, going

1422
01:05:26,239 --> 01:05:28,480
to have lunch with the legendary writer from the New

1423
01:05:28,559 --> 01:05:31,760
York Daily News, Mike Michael Katz, and he, you know,

1424
01:05:31,760 --> 01:05:33,000
I kind of took me under his wheel of it

1425
01:05:33,119 --> 01:05:37,599
might you know, unfortunately passed away last year, and I

1426
01:05:37,599 --> 01:05:40,159
remember him giving me, you know, telling me about what

1427
01:05:40,199 --> 01:05:42,960
it was like to do the gig. There's great fights,

1428
01:05:43,519 --> 01:05:46,280
and there's great fight or great great writing fights, and

1429
01:05:46,320 --> 01:05:48,480
you hope that you get both. And I feel like

1430
01:05:48,519 --> 01:05:52,920
a fight between the rematching Haney and Garcia will definitely

1431
01:05:52,920 --> 01:05:55,800
be a great writing fight. Maybe not a great fight,

1432
01:05:55,840 --> 01:05:57,639
but certainly a good fight, because the first one was

1433
01:05:57,639 --> 01:06:00,760
pretty damn good despite all the antic from Garcia, So

1434
01:06:00,760 --> 01:06:02,119
it kind of checks a lot of those boxes, so

1435
01:06:02,159 --> 01:06:02,960
hopefully they'll make it.

1436
01:06:03,119 --> 01:06:05,280
Speaker 1: Got a lot of subplots for that one. A couple

1437
01:06:05,360 --> 01:06:10,679
of other news items. Edgar Berlanga, who we haven't seen

1438
01:06:10,760 --> 01:06:13,800
since Hams of Sharaz wiped him out. He's looking to

1439
01:06:13,840 --> 01:06:17,760
be back. Chris Ubank Junior off the loss in November

1440
01:06:18,159 --> 01:06:20,800
to Connor Ban in the rematch, So both of these

1441
01:06:20,840 --> 01:06:23,519
guys kind of on the rebound. Are they fighting each other.

1442
01:06:24,920 --> 01:06:27,119
Speaker 2: There's a lot of conversations. That's a fight that that

1443
01:06:27,199 --> 01:06:30,920
Turkey is looking to make. Berlanga is promotionally a free agent.

1444
01:06:31,559 --> 01:06:33,719
You Bank has been with boxer, but I don't know

1445
01:06:33,719 --> 01:06:36,880
if Turkey has options on him or they just have

1446
01:06:36,920 --> 01:06:39,159
a good relationship for what have you. Certainly he worked

1447
01:06:39,159 --> 01:06:41,280
with him on both of the fights that he had

1448
01:06:41,320 --> 01:06:48,000
against against Connor Ben, but Sharaz obviously wiped out Berlanga

1449
01:06:48,039 --> 01:06:49,880
in the fifth round. This is back in July. He's

1450
01:06:49,880 --> 01:06:52,800
looking to get back in the ring. He's got still

1451
01:06:52,800 --> 01:06:56,360
got a big name fighting at SUPERMANA eight. Chris you Bank,

1452
01:06:56,400 --> 01:06:58,440
of course, is coming off the loss in the rematch

1453
01:06:58,719 --> 01:07:01,519
that was at one sixty. Bank has fought numerous fights

1454
01:07:01,519 --> 01:07:03,519
in his career as a super middleweight, and that was

1455
01:07:03,559 --> 01:07:05,199
one of the reasons why there was so much concern

1456
01:07:05,519 --> 01:07:08,599
about could he make one sixty uh to go back

1457
01:07:08,760 --> 01:07:10,440
down and wait to fight against.

1458
01:07:10,159 --> 01:07:12,880
Speaker 1: He clearly looked awful in the second fight. He looked

1459
01:07:13,280 --> 01:07:15,719
drain whatever you want to call it, stay awful, over

1460
01:07:15,760 --> 01:07:16,800
the hill, whatever you want to call it.

1461
01:07:16,960 --> 01:07:19,519
Speaker 2: But it's an interesting matchup because first of all, there

1462
01:07:19,599 --> 01:07:22,480
is desperation because both guys are coming off losses. You

1463
01:07:22,719 --> 01:07:25,760
Chris lost a one sided decision and God dropped twice

1464
01:07:25,760 --> 01:07:28,800
in the twelfth round. He got Berlanga, who's lost two

1465
01:07:28,840 --> 01:07:32,760
of three got uh the knockout loss to Sharaz that

1466
01:07:32,840 --> 01:07:35,119
was July of last year. He had a one round

1467
01:07:35,199 --> 01:07:37,920
victory before that against a Shmir that was just a

1468
01:07:37,960 --> 01:07:40,199
matter of like, let's play out the Mattroum contract. Then

1469
01:07:40,239 --> 01:07:44,400
coming before that was his performance that was better than expected.

1470
01:07:44,599 --> 01:07:46,280
But he still got knocked down and loss almost every

1471
01:07:46,320 --> 01:07:48,559
round against Kenela Lava. So you know he needs to

1472
01:07:48,599 --> 01:07:51,280
get back in a get a get a pretty solid win,

1473
01:07:51,320 --> 01:07:53,760
and you know, beating you Bank would certainly be that name.

1474
01:07:53,800 --> 01:07:55,760
And I think you Bank the same thing coming off

1475
01:07:55,760 --> 01:07:59,599
the loss against against Ben. Uh you know, he beat

1476
01:07:59,599 --> 01:08:01,559
a Berlin. I go, okay, that's a pretty solid victory.

1477
01:08:01,639 --> 01:08:03,280
So we'll see if they can make it. They'll talk

1478
01:08:03,280 --> 01:08:04,880
a lot of shit with each other, no doubt about it.

1479
01:08:04,880 --> 01:08:06,760
I would imagine that they probably would do that fight

1480
01:08:06,800 --> 01:08:08,920
in the UK. Haven't really seen or heard about the

1481
01:08:08,920 --> 01:08:11,400
particulars about if they did make the fight. I mean,

1482
01:08:11,400 --> 01:08:13,079
it's in the early stages. I know, right, they're gonna

1483
01:08:13,079 --> 01:08:15,599
bicker about what the weight's gonna be. Probably Ben's not

1484
01:08:15,599 --> 01:08:17,680
gonna are rather Ubank's probably not gonna want to fight

1485
01:08:17,720 --> 01:08:19,600
them all the way at one hundred and sixty eight

1486
01:08:19,640 --> 01:08:21,520
at the at the next and probably try to make

1487
01:08:21,720 --> 01:08:24,000
Berlina drop down a few pounds. Berlanga's gonna say I

1488
01:08:24,079 --> 01:08:26,520
can't do it. But uh, you know, we'll see if

1489
01:08:26,560 --> 01:08:28,039
they can make the match. But if they do make

1490
01:08:28,079 --> 01:08:30,640
the match, I mean I would definitely be interested to

1491
01:08:30,640 --> 01:08:32,920
watch the fight. I mean, there's not like tons of

1492
01:08:32,960 --> 01:08:36,199
other you know name guys that would be willing to

1493
01:08:36,199 --> 01:08:38,079
fight each other. That's not for a title, I guess.

1494
01:08:38,119 --> 01:08:40,960
So I'm okay, if they make that match, we'll see

1495
01:08:40,960 --> 01:08:41,640
if they get it done.

1496
01:08:42,319 --> 01:08:46,439
Speaker 1: Puplamore items. So you mentioned Top Rank Boxing before they

1497
01:08:46,439 --> 01:08:49,079
were involved with a Manuel navarraate. But I saw this

1498
01:08:49,159 --> 01:08:53,079
on social media that Robas Ramirez, one of their fighters,

1499
01:08:53,520 --> 01:08:57,079
who is a previous champ and the former Cuban gold

1500
01:08:57,119 --> 01:09:01,039
medalist two times, two time gold medalist, he says he's

1501
01:09:01,039 --> 01:09:03,479
no longer with Top Rank. He thanked them and says

1502
01:09:03,520 --> 01:09:07,720
I'm looking elsewhere, and it continues to add to all

1503
01:09:07,760 --> 01:09:11,159
of the educated speculation that there may be others following

1504
01:09:11,199 --> 01:09:13,199
him and what's going on with Top Rank Boxing. So

1505
01:09:13,720 --> 01:09:16,039
Robas Ramirez first, and then the bigger picture real.

1506
01:09:16,000 --> 01:09:18,720
Speaker 2: Quick, Well, it's sort of just like drip drip drip.

1507
01:09:19,000 --> 01:09:22,199
There's there's just guys who's as as contracts come up

1508
01:09:22,399 --> 01:09:27,000
for expiration, Top Rank is not making efforts to resign them.

1509
01:09:27,000 --> 01:09:29,520
For look, on one hand, they're being fair to the fighter,

1510
01:09:29,560 --> 01:09:30,960
because why are you going to resign a guy we

1511
01:09:30,960 --> 01:09:32,720
don't have any place to put him? Why would the

1512
01:09:32,720 --> 01:09:34,439
fighter resign with you when you've gotten no place to

1513
01:09:34,439 --> 01:09:36,920
put me. So it's not like and I don't know

1514
01:09:36,960 --> 01:09:39,159
the answer in terms of Ramirez particularly, I don't know

1515
01:09:39,319 --> 01:09:41,000
if Top Rank wanted to resign him, even if they

1516
01:09:41,039 --> 01:09:43,560
still had a robust colevision agreement, or they just figured

1517
01:09:43,560 --> 01:09:45,720
they've run their course. He has not looked great in

1518
01:09:45,760 --> 01:09:48,000
recent fights. He didn't fight it all in twenty twenty five.

1519
01:09:48,279 --> 01:09:50,640
He of course, was coming off the upset loss when

1520
01:09:50,640 --> 01:09:54,399
he you know, got beat by Espinoza twice a matter

1521
01:09:54,439 --> 01:09:56,520
of fact, second one by a knockout. So maybe they

1522
01:09:56,520 --> 01:09:58,880
would have let him go anyway. But he was a

1523
01:09:58,880 --> 01:10:00,720
big name when they signed in the because of everything

1524
01:10:00,720 --> 01:10:02,359
that went on in terms of his defection. There was

1525
01:10:02,399 --> 01:10:04,479
a saga there as far as how we finally got

1526
01:10:04,520 --> 01:10:07,439
from Cuba to the United States, turn pro with humongous

1527
01:10:07,720 --> 01:10:10,279
fair lost the title or lost the pro debut in

1528
01:10:10,279 --> 01:10:12,720
a big, giant shocker, you know, climb back up the ladder,

1529
01:10:12,720 --> 01:10:14,960
got off, got the revenge, ended up winning a world title,

1530
01:10:15,479 --> 01:10:18,399
defended it over in Japan impressively by a knockout, had

1531
01:10:18,399 --> 01:10:21,800
the massively dramatic fight and loss to Espino's in their

1532
01:10:21,800 --> 01:10:24,680
first fight, ended up losing again in the second fight

1533
01:10:24,760 --> 01:10:26,720
a couple of fights later. So there's been a lot

1534
01:10:26,760 --> 01:10:30,159
of drama ups and downs with Robasi. Ramirez and top

1535
01:10:30,239 --> 01:10:32,159
Ranks promoted him from day one of his career, so

1536
01:10:32,560 --> 01:10:34,640
his contract came up. I don't believe they made any

1537
01:10:34,640 --> 01:10:36,319
effort to resign him. Then he goes on his way.

1538
01:10:36,359 --> 01:10:38,399
But again, like we've talked about with some other fighters

1539
01:10:38,439 --> 01:10:41,119
over the last few weeks, it's a drip drip drip

1540
01:10:41,159 --> 01:10:43,039
fighter contracts are going to come up, and Top Rank

1541
01:10:43,119 --> 01:10:46,199
is not in a position to resign these guys because

1542
01:10:46,199 --> 01:10:48,479
they don't have a place to put them at the moment.

1543
01:10:48,520 --> 01:10:50,560
I mean, look, one of the reasons we got to

1544
01:10:50,600 --> 01:10:53,359
see Navarette versus Doni is because Top Rank had nowhere

1545
01:10:53,359 --> 01:10:56,640
to put Navarette. So if you've got Mattroom boxing out

1546
01:10:56,640 --> 01:10:59,199
there and they're offering, you know, a quality deal to

1547
01:10:59,279 --> 01:11:02,119
bring know Navarette over to the own to do the

1548
01:11:02,159 --> 01:11:04,960
fight as a unification, what other options do they have?

1549
01:11:05,000 --> 01:11:07,319
That's why, For example, coming up in a couple of weeks,

1550
01:11:07,600 --> 01:11:10,039
when we see the pay per view that PBC is

1551
01:11:10,079 --> 01:11:15,399
doing with Fondora against against Furman, the co feature on

1552
01:11:15,439 --> 01:11:19,399
that fight is the PBC fighter Frank Sanchez. He's fighting

1553
01:11:19,399 --> 01:11:21,880
the Top Rank fighter Richard Torres. Never in a million

1554
01:11:21,920 --> 01:11:24,119
yere if Top Rank was still on ESPN or had

1555
01:11:24,159 --> 01:11:28,039
a big TV contract somewhere, I guarantee you that even

1556
01:11:28,039 --> 01:11:30,840
if they went ahead and made the match with Sanchez,

1557
01:11:31,119 --> 01:11:33,439
they'd be the ones doing the fight, but they're not

1558
01:11:33,479 --> 01:11:35,079
in a position at the moment to do that. So

1559
01:11:35,399 --> 01:11:37,960
Torres is on on on a PBC card. We've seen

1560
01:11:38,000 --> 01:11:42,600
it happen before, so hopefully they can get their ship together.

1561
01:11:42,640 --> 01:11:45,199
But in the meantime, Ramirez is the next guy to depart.

1562
01:11:45,279 --> 01:11:47,880
Now where he winds up, maybe he goes with ZUFA.

1563
01:11:48,359 --> 01:11:50,159
I mean, certainly he'd be a guy I can't imagine

1564
01:11:50,159 --> 01:11:51,840
they wouldn't want to sign. I mean, he fits their

1565
01:11:51,880 --> 01:11:55,159
profile perfectly. I'm not sure if others out there, if

1566
01:11:55,159 --> 01:11:58,920
it's a you know, a Mattchroom Boxing or or a

1567
01:11:58,960 --> 01:12:03,359
PBC or know Frank Warren or whoever, I want to

1568
01:12:03,399 --> 01:12:06,600
sign him. But we'll say clearly the way that Ramirez

1569
01:12:06,640 --> 01:12:08,920
stated in his comments, he's not done yet. He's looking

1570
01:12:08,960 --> 01:12:11,239
for something else. He is only thirty two years old.

1571
01:12:11,239 --> 01:12:12,640
He still might have a couple of, you know, a

1572
01:12:12,640 --> 01:12:15,000
few good years left in him to do something. It's

1573
01:12:15,039 --> 01:12:18,960
not like he can't fight. He a dominating amateur and

1574
01:12:19,239 --> 01:12:21,760
has had a good professional career thus far despite the losses.

1575
01:12:22,079 --> 01:12:24,520
Almost see what happens. But if this is not so

1576
01:12:24,600 --> 01:12:27,359
much about Ramirez, as you mentioned, it's about the drip

1577
01:12:27,439 --> 01:12:29,159
drip drip of the top rank exodus.

1578
01:12:29,319 --> 01:12:32,359
Speaker 1: It is becoming more and more apparent there are big issues.

1579
01:12:33,319 --> 01:12:34,760
Just got to say it as we sit.

1580
01:12:34,560 --> 01:12:35,159
Speaker 2: Here in March.

1581
01:12:35,399 --> 01:12:41,039
Speaker 1: Here and one more item, Queensberry says that we're going

1582
01:12:41,079 --> 01:12:45,479
to have a fight card now in Paris. Lawrence o'coley

1583
01:12:45,640 --> 01:12:49,520
is involved, the name Tony Yoka is involved. What else

1584
01:12:49,600 --> 01:12:53,800
is going on here Queensberry by the way, with the

1585
01:12:54,000 --> 01:12:59,239
upcoming Fabio Wardly defense against Daniel Dubois as well. But

1586
01:12:59,319 --> 01:13:02,000
this will come up before in the timeline. Where's this

1587
01:13:02,039 --> 01:13:03,159
coming up? April? Correct?

1588
01:13:03,439 --> 01:13:05,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is April twenty fifth. The reason why this

1589
01:13:05,319 --> 01:13:07,520
is somewhat interesting, not so much the matchup is the

1590
01:13:07,560 --> 01:13:11,159
greatest matchup. But if you go back to January, early January,

1591
01:13:11,840 --> 01:13:14,640
they're the promoters, Frank Warren and Queensberry, they're the promoters

1592
01:13:14,680 --> 01:13:17,880
for your boy a Gcabo, and so they took him

1593
01:13:17,880 --> 01:13:21,800
home to Germany to defend the WBC's interim heavyweight title.

1594
01:13:22,319 --> 01:13:24,479
And I think they expect it will be a good event,

1595
01:13:24,520 --> 01:13:26,560
but I think they came away from being shocked at

1596
01:13:26,560 --> 01:13:28,920
how big it was. I mean, you know, I talked

1597
01:13:28,960 --> 01:13:31,840
to George Warren, who was involved with Queensbury. That's Frank's son,

1598
01:13:32,399 --> 01:13:34,119
and he said on the broadcast also when they didn't

1599
01:13:34,119 --> 01:13:36,359
interview with him that of all the events that he's

1600
01:13:36,399 --> 01:13:38,920
been to in his time involved as a boxing promoter,

1601
01:13:39,279 --> 01:13:40,960
he can't ever remember that we talked.

1602
01:13:41,800 --> 01:13:44,399
Speaker 1: It was it was electric in that building for Kabel

1603
01:13:44,479 --> 01:13:44,960
in Germany.

1604
01:13:45,039 --> 01:13:49,000
Speaker 2: Yes, so they are. Obviously Queensberry is a premier promoter

1605
01:13:49,079 --> 01:13:52,000
in boxing, but they're mostly associated with the events that

1606
01:13:52,079 --> 01:13:54,199
are in the UK. Obviously they promoted a number of

1607
01:13:54,239 --> 01:13:57,079
events elsewhere through the years, but they're the number one

1608
01:13:57,119 --> 01:13:59,880
or number two promoter in UK. It's basically of recent

1609
01:14:00,199 --> 01:14:04,720
digits it's Queensberry and Mattrium. But they've made a concerted

1610
01:14:04,760 --> 01:14:07,159
an effort to branch out there doing international fights. So

1611
01:14:07,159 --> 01:14:09,520
they did this card in January in Germany. I have

1612
01:14:09,600 --> 01:14:11,640
talked to Frank Warren. They have plans whether I don't

1613
01:14:11,680 --> 01:14:13,239
know exactly when they're going to do this, but at

1614
01:14:13,239 --> 01:14:15,800
some point they're coming to do events in the United States.

1615
01:14:15,840 --> 01:14:20,000
They're gonna probably bring They're probably gonna bring Moses to

1616
01:14:20,039 --> 01:14:22,760
tom here at some point without question, and they want

1617
01:14:22,760 --> 01:14:26,359
to do fights in America. But now they signed Tony Yoka,

1618
01:14:26,359 --> 01:14:29,600
who has been a dramatically disappointing fighter to be quite frank,

1619
01:14:29,640 --> 01:14:32,920
he was a twenty sixteen Olympic gold medalist from France.

1620
01:14:33,880 --> 01:14:36,239
Has had his issues but still has popularity at home

1621
01:14:36,279 --> 01:14:39,560
in France. They have signed Lawrence o'coley, who had been

1622
01:14:39,600 --> 01:14:42,520
a title holder in the cruiserweight division. Whatever your thoughts

1623
01:14:42,520 --> 01:14:44,920
are about the bridgerweight division, he won the WBC belt

1624
01:14:44,960 --> 01:14:47,439
in that division. Also now he's fighting as a heavyweight.

1625
01:14:47,640 --> 01:14:50,279
So they've made the match between Tony Yoka and Lawrence o'coley,

1626
01:14:50,279 --> 01:14:51,840
and the joke has sorad of been. You know, it's

1627
01:14:51,880 --> 01:14:53,760
the winner to determine who's the next guy to lose

1628
01:14:53,800 --> 01:14:56,199
to Fabio Wardley if he makes it through the defense

1629
01:14:56,439 --> 01:14:58,880
that he's got coming up. But the winner of this

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01:14:58,920 --> 01:15:01,119
fight between Yoka and Locoley is going to get an

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01:15:01,119 --> 01:15:03,920
opportunity to fight a much bigger fight. And so this

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01:15:03,960 --> 01:15:06,840
is going to headline their next international card that takes

1633
01:15:06,840 --> 01:15:09,319
place in Parisol be in April. And to me, the

1634
01:15:09,359 --> 01:15:12,079
more interesting guy on the card is not so much

1635
01:15:12,119 --> 01:15:15,000
the heavyweights, but they have a junior middleweight, a French

1636
01:15:15,079 --> 01:15:18,119
junior middle named Bakari Samaki. He's only twenty two he's

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01:15:18,119 --> 01:15:20,920
from France. He's undefeated. He is nineteen and zero with

1638
01:15:21,000 --> 01:15:24,039
eleven knockcouts. Very interesting up and comer he is on

1639
01:15:24,079 --> 01:15:26,760
this card and that that is a fight that he's

1640
01:15:26,760 --> 01:15:33,319
having against an Albanian fighter named Irmal. I can't really,

1641
01:15:33,359 --> 01:15:36,000
I don't know. I think it's had Hatter Badge something

1642
01:15:36,039 --> 01:15:36,680
along those lines.

1643
01:15:36,720 --> 01:15:38,880
Speaker 1: I Drida Badge something. Okay, So this is.

1644
01:15:38,840 --> 01:15:40,640
Speaker 2: Going to be for the junior middleweight division. Is a

1645
01:15:40,760 --> 01:15:43,439
WBC final eliminator, so there are some stakes in that

1646
01:15:43,560 --> 01:15:46,439
as well. Not so much specific stakes for Yoka o'koley,

1647
01:15:46,479 --> 01:15:47,119
other than.

1648
01:15:47,439 --> 01:15:51,520
Speaker 1: By the way I saw Okohley and the highlights and

1649
01:15:51,560 --> 01:15:54,960
the pictures bloated might be being kind for him. As

1650
01:15:55,000 --> 01:15:58,119
a heavyweight, he had balloon thirty or forty pounds.

1651
01:15:58,119 --> 01:16:00,319
Speaker 2: It's more than that, actually, I mean all.

1652
01:16:00,560 --> 01:16:03,920
Speaker 1: The fighting cruiserweight limit. What he clocked it like two sixty?

1653
01:16:04,119 --> 01:16:05,159
Speaker 2: He was like two seventy.

1654
01:16:05,800 --> 01:16:07,680
Speaker 1: So what are we doing here with him? Is he

1655
01:16:07,720 --> 01:16:08,880
going to be in any kind of shame?

1656
01:16:08,960 --> 01:16:09,680
Speaker 2: I have no idea.

1657
01:16:10,239 --> 01:16:14,239
Speaker 1: All right, I'm with Yoka, But like I.

1658
01:16:14,159 --> 01:16:16,479
Speaker 2: Said, I'm more intrigued and more interested on a personal

1659
01:16:16,560 --> 01:16:19,560
level and seeing Samaki do his business, okay than that

1660
01:16:19,600 --> 01:16:22,840
heavyweight fight. But I'm I'm happy to see like a

1661
01:16:22,920 --> 01:16:27,039
Queensberry branch out and do fights other places. Uh, they've

1662
01:16:27,119 --> 01:16:29,640
got the talent, they've got the backing. Obviously, they have

1663
01:16:29,680 --> 01:16:32,479
a long term contract with his own and they are,

1664
01:16:32,520 --> 01:16:34,399
as Frank likes to say, and this is the reality,

1665
01:16:34,479 --> 01:16:36,800
they're the home of the heavyweights these days. They may

1666
01:16:36,840 --> 01:16:38,720
not have everybody, but they got a plenty of top

1667
01:16:38,800 --> 01:16:41,600
level heavyweights that they work with. And you know, we'll

1668
01:16:41,600 --> 01:16:42,520
see how this car goes.

1669
01:16:42,359 --> 01:16:45,079
Speaker 1: From Hey, Tama's rescheduled fight is also coming up too,

1670
01:16:45,199 --> 01:16:49,359
so that that is a full show, my friend. Off

1671
01:16:49,399 --> 01:16:52,960
the weekend. Happy March, everybody. Hope you enjoy Giopatia with us.

1672
01:16:52,960 --> 01:16:56,319
Make sure you're following, subscribing here to this podcast on

1673
01:16:56,399 --> 01:16:59,119
Apple's Preakers, Spotify, anything else or are we ready to

1674
01:16:59,199 --> 01:17:02,079
get the week going and get all of the college

1675
01:17:02,119 --> 01:17:04,880
basketball mayhem cranked up? Is as well as you said,

1676
01:17:04,880 --> 01:17:08,159
spring training, spring break for the schools in the US,

1677
01:17:08,239 --> 01:17:11,479
the whole bit. Are we ready? Are we ready for

1678
01:17:11,520 --> 01:17:11,840
all of this?

1679
01:17:11,960 --> 01:17:14,640
Speaker 2: From I am ready, except my week It's gonna be

1680
01:17:14,640 --> 01:17:17,439
weird because I have this like internal clock the way

1681
01:17:17,479 --> 01:17:20,359
it works, like you know, you with my writing schedule,

1682
01:17:20,439 --> 01:17:22,840
like you usually are thinking about the fights are on Saturday,

1683
01:17:22,880 --> 01:17:24,960
and so you cover the fights on Saturday, whether you're

1684
01:17:25,000 --> 01:17:26,560
at the fight or you're watching it on you know,

1685
01:17:26,600 --> 01:17:29,920
the screen. But this week, the only real fight of

1686
01:17:29,960 --> 01:17:32,479
consequence is the Opataia card and it's on a Sunday night.

1687
01:17:32,520 --> 01:17:35,159
So I got a sort of I gotta I gotta reave.

1688
01:17:35,239 --> 01:17:37,359
Speaker 1: Listen, we will stay regimented.

1689
01:17:37,640 --> 01:17:39,159
Speaker 2: We gotta see what we're doing on the point.

1690
01:17:39,359 --> 01:17:41,920
Speaker 1: Do our preview coming up, because that's the preview of

1691
01:17:41,920 --> 01:17:44,560
the fight. We'll have some news, et cetera. We'll keep

1692
01:17:44,600 --> 01:17:47,439
you on track for what day. It will have to

1693
01:17:47,439 --> 01:17:51,439
be creative because typically we release Sunday night into Monday,

1694
01:17:51,640 --> 01:17:54,520
and the Opataia fight's gonna be late night Eastern time

1695
01:17:54,640 --> 01:17:59,039
on Sunday night, on my birthday, no less. So we

1696
01:17:59,079 --> 01:18:01,439
got to work that out because my family, my family's

1697
01:18:01,479 --> 01:18:03,680
already buzzing about where are we going to dinner? You

1698
01:18:03,720 --> 01:18:06,079
know what, Where we going the dinner means where are

1699
01:18:06,079 --> 01:18:08,880
you taking us to buy food for us even though

1700
01:18:08,920 --> 01:18:10,640
it's your birthday. That kind of that's kind of what

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01:18:10,680 --> 01:18:14,000
that means. So stay tuned, stay tuned on how we

1702
01:18:14,039 --> 01:18:16,399
work all that out but that's problem for next weekend.

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01:18:17,319 --> 01:18:19,079
Have a good week, my friend. Were going to catch

1704
01:18:19,119 --> 01:18:20,560
up with you again later in a week on the

1705
01:18:20,560 --> 01:18:23,039
preview pot. There goes Big Dan Rayfield. Follow and subscribe

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01:18:26,239 --> 01:18:29,680
the breaking news, the nuggets, his insights, all of that.

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01:18:30,119 --> 01:18:32,800
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