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in poll today that we will be discussing BYU Basketball
Big Game on Saturday. They dropped it to the number
one team in the country in the Marriottes. It was
a glorious one. It was a thriller big Monday definitely
had a big thriller, no doubt.
Speaker 4: But they didn't do it.
Speaker 3: They haven't come up big against these teams that we
all assume are a lead eight teams or Sweet sixteen
competing for the lead, a birth or even a Final
four opportunity. Lost it at Texas Tech, but had the lead,
had it almost down the stretch against Arizona.
Speaker 4: You have to wonder.
Speaker 3: Jared Bledsoell brought up something important earlier on Tuesday. If
they don't have that steel Arizona where Richie throws it
and they lay it up, is BYU in control? Do
they have a chance to kill the clock? Is Arizona
not up? All of that plays the factor into the game.
Every point matters in basketball, just like every yard, every inch,
every first down, every field goal matters in a game
of football.
Speaker 4: Could that have helped BYU?
Speaker 3: My point is they have fallen short in the games
that the games that we think that they mattered the most,
not the TCUs we're not looking at the Oklahoma States.
We expect bou to win those games just like we
expect them to win. On Saturday, we got a great one.
It's going to be on College Game Day BYU in Kansas,
number thirteen, BYU number fourteen Kansas. It's a top fifteen,
a top twenty five matchup. We'll break it all down
for you here today as well as tomorrow and even
on the Cougar Basketball pregame show with Andrew Peterson and
my self.
Speaker 4: Appreciate you guys tuning in.
Speaker 3: Let's go ahead and fire up the ESPN the fans
starting lineup, and I can introduce to you. I got
two coach holes with me today. We'll start with the first.
You can catch him on every Thursday here. Next week
he'll be Friday. He is up here with me in
Salt Lake. We got Andrew Peterson on the Mike AP.
Speaker 4: How we doing a day.
Speaker 1: I'm doing pretty great, Honestly, it's been it's been a
good day.
Speaker 5: I had a pretty fun interaction just before the show started.
Speaker 4: Tell me about this.
Speaker 1: I met nineteen eighty four national champion Rob Parker just
outside the studio.
Speaker 5: By the way, we had no idea who each.
Speaker 1: Other were, and he's just seeing my BYU shirt saying
go Koks, and we started our conversation.
Speaker 5: So shout out to.
Speaker 1: Rob Parker, former BYU football player, former track star. Shout
out to him as he up here somewhere in Salt
Lake City with us.
Speaker 4: The great running back.
Speaker 3: Gonna need to get him on now that you know,
because he just saw you, the running back one hundred
ninety four pounder, like you said in the nineteen eighty
fourteen six to one from Alexandria City, product of propagence.
So you gotta love running into the all time greats
at nineteen eighty four team. When was the last time
I want to know someone else you know?
Speaker 4: And not?
Speaker 3: The Robbie boss goes out, when was the last time
you ran into someone you know from a national championship?
I have another for Oh do you have another from
k hit me with it.
Speaker 1: The great Steve Linsley. Okay, well, kind of young men's
leader growing up. He's currently a mission president actually of
South Carolina. So so I did know him. He was
a third string quarterback on that team. He did play.
He started some games in nineteen eighty six. He went
back and forth with Bob Jensen.
Speaker 4: Bob Jensen, Okay, there you go.
Speaker 3: I haven't met any of those greats I normally I
get I'm bumping into the big Brethren people on the
spiritual side. My wife always tells me that I'm not
spiritual enough. That's why I keep having these interactions. I
want to have these sports interactions. But pre you know RP,
you know, President of Holland at the time, kept running
into him church security. I feel like I never run
into BYU greats. It never worked out. I run into
the current student athletes on the team. I ran into
Dalla wall a few times in and out Tanner Hayhurst
back in the day, Trey Stewart, so I ran into
those guys. But I have not been blessed by the
presence of greatness, which is why I get them on
the show.
Speaker 5: I'll tell you.
Speaker 1: I'll tell you a funny story about Steve Linsley. Though
he used to he used to like to call himself
Big Steve with all the Eve okay, until I came
around and I just started calling him BS.
Speaker 4: That's what I call Brian Santiago.
Speaker 1: I started calling him BS, and Big Steve stopped calling
himself Big Steve real quick.
Speaker 3: I'm deceased, well, BS is Brian Santiago Brian Santiago brings
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Speaker 4: Brother? Hey? Pretty good man. Appreciate you having me here.
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here a little bit. We're gonna discuss all the things
going around by you related to to basketball, football, all
of those things, recruiting, what's coming out of the news
and notes we discussed a little bit of Yesterday're gonna
get into our question of the day at two thirty,
give you a little bit of a tease of it's
around BAU basketball. Gonna talk a lot of hoop today.
We will talk college football, I promise everyone, But you
guys know when I'm running the show. You guys know
what that means. I love talking the hoop. On this note,
we're gonna talk some stats. At two forty five, yeg
Or Joeman, what is Joeman doing? And we're gonna get
the stats for BYU Kansas, the Big twelve rankings. How
do these teams match up? Get everybody starts a three
or five. We'll get into a little college football talk,
all the news and notes coming to that. At three
thirty Cougar Byte Bill self. You know when he came
to the Marriott Center last year and by you put
on the belt Tabooty and I'm gonna start with you, Caleb,
and then I'll go to ap when they put the
belt to Booty to by you, Bill self was so
class full.
Speaker 4: He came to the it's not class list, that's the
wrong word. Class four.
Speaker 3: He came to the Marriotte postgame and say, you know,
BYU is something different, you know, And again he commented
on Richie to give you a tease, he says, but
Saunders has been the Kansas.
Speaker 4: Killer for the last two years.
Speaker 3: Richie Saunders has been that the top king has really
put the heart through Kansas. Now, some people might argue
and say, that's Dalla Hall last.
Speaker 4: Time I remember.
Speaker 3: He is the daddy of one Hunter Dickerson that shot
over a seven foot or in a big time game
to give you the lead to put the stretch out. Man,
What a call by Gregor Bella, Mark Garant. It doesn't
get better than Naddy tried to replicate it. When Kansas
was hit the marry out last year. He tried. I
talked to him, he's gone now and out, he's gone by.
He's not gonna care if I say this. They're not
gonna go on me. I asked Dallan after the game
when I saw him with his family, I was like,
you know what you did? He's like, I tried it.
He's like, I tried to replicate it. I tried to
do it again, and I tried to highlight him. So
love did that tried to happen? But BYU? Who would
have thought cayleb BYU football, oh and two against Kansas
BYU basketball two and ohero with an opportunity to go
three and oh your your thoughts on b U Kansas
so far and basketball since entering the Big twelve.
Speaker 6: Yeah, absolutely see, And that's something that I never would
have thought of growing up, even seeing Kansas at the
Marriott Center, Right, That's something that I wouldn't have believed
if you would have told me ten years ago that
BOU would be hosting Kansas at the Marriott Center. Now,
to see Kansas go in and to see Bo you
handle that game in the fashion they did gave me hope.
And what Kevin Young is doing, Kay, why's got the
program in the red direction? I'm excited to see what
we can do in Kansas on Saturday.
Speaker 3: It's gonna be a great opportunity in Kansas. Ap your thoughts,
Bo football, oh and to Billie basketball two and O.
Speaker 4: Opportunity to go three and oh on Saturday.
Speaker 1: Well, my first thought is that I'm having fly I'm
I'm I'm having a little bit of PTSD with football
because once again we're playing Kansas in November.
Speaker 5: This next year. This is true, the poach part, the
poach part, Oh my goodness.
Speaker 4: The game of September, Jalen Davis throw all over.
Speaker 5: At least we don't have Jalen Daniels to deal with again.
Speaker 4: You're gonna have to deal with Dylan Edwards though.
Speaker 5: That is who you That's true.
Speaker 1: But Jalen Daniels is the quarterback makes it and look,
we've interviewed, we had the opportunity to interview him, Big
twelve me today day, excuse me, the last three years.
Speaker 3: Phenomenal individual, phenomenal person, a great human being. Really hope
he's able to play play at the next level.
Speaker 4: I'm a fan of him. I was when he played you.
But I like his game.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, he's fun to watch as long as he's
not playing against you.
Speaker 3: As long as he's not punching against you either. Yeah,
r I Peter Jacob Robinson man, oh man, if you
just would have looked up, but look, you trying to block.
Speaker 4: It's tough.
Speaker 1: But if you're going if we're talking basketball, my take
is that this is the first time that BAU basketball
is playing what Kansas should be, a team that is
living up to what Kansas should be in basketball, because
the last two years they've good, but they have not
been up to the level that that program requires. And
this is the first year b YU is gonna get
some of that, and so it's gonna be a tough matchup.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's definitely gonna be a tough matchup. I think
this will be the toughest matchup so far for the program.
I know people said, but Ron last last year, you know,
when they played him. Yeah, but they feel like the
teams are evenly matched. You know, last year I felt
like it was different. They didn't have a Darren Peterson
and people can say, oh, well, b Yu, we Ron,
we have an aged DEBONSA.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 3: But yeah, this is a better team and they're a
better team when Darren's on the floor, they are and
they really, I think feel like can be anybody when
Darren is healthy.
Speaker 4: The question is when is he gonna be healthy. He
hasn't been. Like I said, three third.
Speaker 3: Are gonna get into a cougar bite will discuss that
as well as words Richie Rank, it's gonna be the
top Kings moment. I think a J again will do
AJ things, but I think AJ will be the excuse me,
Richie's gonna be the guy that's gonna have to unlock
it for BYU. I think that's what is gonna come
down to at the end of the day. It's it's
Richie having a big time performance and then it's also
going to be the bench. I think that's what it's
going to be, and it's not really. Richie's performance is
a shot selection of when he is going to be
doing it necessarily, moments of when does he need to
make big time shots three point shots in particular because teams.
You heard it from Kevin Young earlier in the post
game that we played in earlier in the week on Tuesday,
when we had Jared bletzwell as well, what did he say?
People are mugging Richie. They're out there going crazy. I
need to pull that SoundBite up. But that's what's happening.
That is what's happening. But it's not just Richie. It's
going to be a guy that's from Mibaca Mally, the
native of Mibaco Molly. He has been fantastic on the
defensive side. We'll getting that to a Cougar inside of
port at three forty five. Darnel Dixon will join us
at four h five for a Cougar beat. Keeping up
with the Cougars. Brian Logan's gonna join us at four
thirty to discuss does he like the college football Playoffs
six expansion? How does he feel about the quitting Irish
getting this deal of where they're locking into the top twelve.
We can discuss that and more with him and then
a handy and handy our sports courts segment. I'll take
you through that, and AP and Kleble will take.
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Speaker 3: All right, Andrew Peterson A Caleb Lions by my side
here on this beautiful Thursday edition of Cougar Sports, gonna
continue around the topic. I'll get your guys' s thoughts.
So we haven't had the opportunity to hear from UAP
or Caleb. I'll start with you Ap and then will
go to Caleb. Your thoughts, Uh, the College Football Playoff
not gonna expand Notre Dame in the top twelve, penciling
themselves in pretty much. I think it's stupid that Nordre
Dame is doing this the College Fotball Playoff commitee. I
shouldn't even be blaming Nordredame, but I am blaming to
quit in Irish in all of this. But in the
same breath of all of that, I feel like, if
you're already top twelve, you're supposed to get in. So
I know why they did this, but this is dumb.
There's a lot of backdoor stuff that I don't like.
Now you got the group of six stuff, ap just
your overall thoughts on this. This just all seems like
an excuse for when BYU ends up in the championship
game against Texas Texas next year, which is what I
believe will happen, that if they lose that game, just
for a game, then to keep BYU out of the
tournament again.
Speaker 1: Well, the nice thing is that we get to play
Notre Dame. It's true, we get to have a chance
to put ourselves above them. My immediate reaction is a
little bit complicated. It has to do with I think
that it's it's ESPN's fault.
Speaker 5: I think that the.
Speaker 1: College football I think the College Football Playoff needs to
I think the rights to the college football playoffs should
not be given to just one network, If that makes sense.
I think that's how you solve the problem here is
that Notre Dame is getting this deal because Notre Dame
is able to influence ESPN into doing almost whatever they want.
Speaker 5: And so I don't blame Notre Dame.
Speaker 1: They're doing what's best for them, and they should, but
Notre Dame should not be putting or ESPN and college football,
the College Football Playoff should not be pushed around one
by one program like this. And so if you if
you divvy up the rights to the college football Playoff,
give Fox a few games, give ABC or CBS a
few games. You need more voices in the room instead
of having ESPN monopolize the College Football Playoff, the selection
committee and the selection process, because I think that's where
a lot of the problems comes from, is you have
one voice in the room and they're always.
Speaker 5: Going to do what's in their best interest.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they are going to do what's best in their
best interest. And right now they're still trying to push
the SEC narrative. You even know, the best football conference
and in America is the Big Ten. It's the Big
It's the Big no question, not even a question.
Speaker 4: You can't say that. And it's interesting.
Speaker 3: I don't know if you heard the showyp and I'm
gonna get Caleb's thoughts on this. I'll get your thoughts
really quickly and I'll go to him. I don't know
if you guys had heard, but we listened from Matt
Barry and Paul Feinbaum. They had said that the Big
ten's paying more. They brought up other quarterbacks or the players,
and a lot of those quarterbacks left because Nicks Well,
players left because Nick Sable retired. That was one of
the reasons. They say, oh, the Big tins paying more.
But then you have people like kurtsin Eddi of Indiana
who's like, we're not paying more than people. And I
don't think Kurt would just lie like that on you know,
a national platform. But you have these personalities people saying, oh,
well they're paying more. That's what ended up happening. This
is how it goes. And to me, I was like,
I really don't know if a person's paying more if
the coach that she wanted to play for, because that's
college athletics. You want to play for a certain coach.
You saw Lincoln Riley go to USC. Where did Caleb
Williams leave? He left Oklahoma and went to USC. You
saw j Hill go and then how many other players
do you see?
Speaker 4: Now?
Speaker 3: That's how it goes. Players follow coaches in college. But
they're saying, oh, they're paying more, and I don't think
it's necessarily paying more when guys at the portal their
market raid is just that value.
Speaker 5: Now or maybe here's a counterpoint.
Speaker 1: I think the Big Ten probably is Indiana, isn't I
don't think Indiana is Ohio State, Michigan, Oregon, USC. I
think they are paying more than the SEC. But they're
also better equipped for the nil era. They're a better conference,
better equipped for the rules of the game, where the
SEC back in the day ten years ago was better
equipped to do things under the table than any other
conference and was better equipped for that era.
Speaker 5: So they're falling behind, they are falling behind.
Speaker 2: It.
Speaker 3: It's so interesting just of how they the excuse is
for the SECO of this conference is pay Moore is like,
wasn't the.
Speaker 4: Sec doing that.
Speaker 3: It's like, if that's the name of the game, don't
be mad that now little brother can compete in the
game and they've learned how to punch a big brother
in the face.
Speaker 4: You're just upset.
Speaker 5: Sometimes little brother grows up.
Speaker 3: Sometimes little brother does grow up, and I've been enjoying
to see them grow up. I'll get Caleb Sas on this, Kilber,
your thoughts on the college football playoff format's.
Speaker 4: Not going to expand an ordered name now.
Speaker 3: If they're a top twelve seed, they have to be in,
even if you're going to leave someone else out the
group of six. Just your thoughts on all of that
and everything occurring right now in the college football landscape.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think there's a lot going on with the
college football Playoff that makes a lot of people happy
and a lot of people upset. I mean, you're seeing
more teams in it right now than there were ten
years ago or fifteen years ago.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 6: Some people wanted to expand that. Some people wanted it
to stay the same at least until next through next
football season, it's going to be the same.
Speaker 4: I do like how they did.
Speaker 6: Change the each P four conference champion. It is gonna
be an automatic qualifyer. Now you had a little bit
of drama with that this year, right with Duke winning
the ACC and they didn't make it. So now, I mean,
you can look at it both ways. Would the ACC
have gotten Duke and Miami in and going Miami ended
up going all the way to the championship game? So
I don't know exactly how that would have played out
this year if they would have missed out, or who
would have gotten two bids from the ACC and maybe
only one from the G five. Again talking about the
G six, excuse me, that team does not have to
be a conference champion anymore, right, so it could just
be the highest ranked. And then you have the Notre
Dame issue, where I have yet to hear a good
reason or good example or good story as to why
Notre Dame is receiving this special treatment. They're affiliated with
the ACC and a lot of what they do throughout
their sports program football, they're technically independent. Now why are
we giving one independent this special birth within the top twelve?
Like AP was talking about it as you Ron talking
about the top twelve should maybe just be who gets
in anyways? And should those four conference champions be part
of that top twelve already, so I don't I think
there's issues that's still yet to be resolved. There are
things that we're trying to work towards to make it
a better to make sure we've got the best of
the best in that program. I don't think we were
quite there yet. I'm excited to see what changes happened.
I'm a little disappointed that personally the expansion wasn't talked
about a little bit more. I think that could have
been the issue for now, at least in the interim.
But I'm excited to see where this goes in the future.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm excited to see where this goes in the
future as well. This is a This is gonna be
very interesting. I think it's going to expand. Norre Dame
does have power in this because Ben mentioned a very
valid point that I just want to echo if you
didn't get a chance to hear it, if you haven't
heard on the podcast yet, twenty three of their twenty
five athletics are contracted three esp and everything else. I'm
pretty sure is that way. You know with the ACC
when I mean contracted, I mean through the conference. So
when you look at the ACC in the deal that
they have. There's a lot of leverage power that they
do have that they would have lost. Now you're right,
they do want to keep all the money for themselves.
I still say bump Norre Dame in the words of
Stephen A. Smith close quote. But in the same breadth,
when you're doing business and a team holds that much
power with the conference and they can do that, and
you don't want to lose them, you somewhat give them
what they want. But I also believe when the AEC
has done, they're not going to the Big twelve. I
promise you that brey or Mark, as much as he
may want Notre Dame as the brand brey or Marcus Patty,
he's not gonna He's not gonna give Norre Dame what
they want to say. Yeah, we'll take the rest of
your sports, but then football. He wants them for football.
He wants them for football, There's no doubt about it.
He wants to take him in and it has to
be and they would have to come to ESPN. They
would have to do that. That means they would have
to leave independent. But to me, this is very simple,
and I think you know they're getting their way which
is upsetting and it's frightening for the college football landscape.
But to me, if you just had to been in
the ACC Conference ap, if you just would have been
in the conference, this wouldn't have happened in my opinion,
because you'd have been in the title game. You had
to beat Duke or Virginia in my opinion, and you
would have booked your ticket to the college football playoffs.
Because they put Miami in and look what happened, and
they're probably thinking that should have been us. It should
have been US versus Indiana. Still thought they would have lost.
But in the same breath, it's your fault because if
you just get in the conference, and if you had
done what Miami would have done, maybe they'd gave you
special privileges because of that.
Speaker 1: No, I'm I'm not convinced that Notre Dame would have
advanced at all in the playoffs. Oh okay, they didn't
play anyone, So I mean, I agree with you one
hundred percent. Notre Dame needs to be in a conference
because the way things are structured right now, if Notre
Dame gets in the playoffs, they get a massive advantage
over everyone else. And I mean, what I mean by
that is they get to keep all the money for
the playoffs for themselves. They don't have to split it
up among a conference. So you've got pros and cons here.
The pro is if your Notre Dame, I get to
keep it all for myself. The con is that you
don't get the special privileges. And I think that if
Notre Dame needs to grow up and realize there's there's consequences.
Speaker 3: There are consequences to your excuse me, sorry, oh my goodness, Wow,
I had a sneeze attack right there.
Speaker 4: I apologize. Everyone had to turn off my my goodness.
Speaker 3: Gracious, I just talked about not getting sick early, and
I don't know if sneeze is a part of that,
but goodness, gracious, oh man, getting contagious by this Notre
Dame talk. They're trying to get me sick. I'm second
Notre Dame and they're trying to get me sick. Over
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and the fan of Cougar Sports. But the Bandeditay, the
Way Life Goes is a little you know, not blues music,
but it gets you in your fields, ap Caleb, Is
that gonna be just the way life goes? Is BAU
basketball just gonna beat these other teams that they should be,
but then when it comes to the premier matchups just
not get it done?
Speaker 4: You know, you're kind of wondering now.
Speaker 3: Kevin Young turned around in February, so there are still
a few weeks before they went on that nine game
winning streak that we remember what they did last year
so we'll have to see if that happens. But I'm wondering,
is this gonna be the way this season, the way
life goes for now? If they don't beat Kansas, you
drop back to back games. That really has me concerning
your thoughts Appee on that, what that could be.
Speaker 1: I don't think that's gonna be the way it goes, honestly.
If there's two trains of thought here for me, If
your bench does not start contributing like it started to
on against Arizona, we finally got some bench contributions or
someone outside the big three. If that trend continues, if
it's only the three players scoring, then I think you're
gonna have a hard time beating these elite teams. But
I still have faith that we're gonna see an uptick
in production outside the big three. I think we're gonna
get a couple good, solid wins coming up.
Speaker 4: Caleb. I'll get your thoughts on it too as well.
Is that gonna be the way left goes?
Speaker 8: Is?
Speaker 3: If BYU doesn't gonna win on Saturday against Kansas, is
that just gonna be Okay? You're not gonna be Texas
Tech at home. You're not gonna beat Iowa State. You're
not gonna be Houston. You're gonna beat everybody else, but
not the teams that we believe in college basketball, believes
that can get to a Final four or in lead opportunity.
Speaker 6: No, I don't think so. I mean we're talking about
bench production. We're talking about first half, second half bou
I know those are two things that have been talked
about a lot throughout this year. Speaking of I want
to give a quick shout out Dawson Baker, who was
injured earlier this year. Really missing him on the court.
We've got a son named Dawson, our second son.
Speaker 4: Hey, there we go.
Speaker 6: Loved watching Dawson Baker play, our oldest son. W's here
for Dawson Baker. Yeah, hey that's Dawson on the court.
Super happy to see it.
Speaker 4: Really cool.
Speaker 6: So bumm to see Dawson out for the season. Because
of that, but also because of the lack of production
that we're getting from the bench, I think it would
have been a really good time to have a player
like Dawson what he could contribute. We got to get
that production from somewhere else, k wise, going to a
few different places to try to get that. Haven't been
super consistent lately. I was saying that once MoU knocks
a few down, everyone's gonna forget that he ever was
in a slump. And I'm hoping that that continues into
the game against Kansas on Saturday. I really think that
if he can keep that production going, even though again
that's not bench production, but I think we get that
outside perimeter shooting from going from New I think we're
gonna be able to be just fine in Kansas on Saturday.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's a good point you bring up. I like
to actually bring that.
Speaker 3: I agree with you because last year when the sky
was falling at the start a conference and they put
what magan to the starting lineup, they went on their
win streak. No one remembered what happened at the beginning
of the season. And that's why you can control your
own destiny. You went on Saturday, guess what number one
lost Arizona I've forgotten about at least that's how it
is I viewed. So I love that point of that,
and Dawson Baker does hurt. We had a question of
the Day aswerday. We asked coach Dave Rose if you
missed that. You can download the interview on the podcast.
The fourth leading scorer on this team. Now, I give
it away obviously, but before that, would people have guessed
it it was Dawson Baker. I don't know if people
would have. Dawson Baker is still the fourth leading scorer
on this team. So you missed those seven eight points
excuse me? Seven yeah, point eight points per game. Man,
you hate to see that. He got hurt and they pickings.
Speaker 4: He never saw that.
Speaker 3: But Dawson, I arguably what hurts more because he was
playing so good man. The shot was looking so smooth.
You saw Jordan Brady, the player Development director of player Development,
You saw the development that Dawson made, You saw the
jump he was taking. I was looking forward to the
sixth Man of the Year potentially being in that discussion,
and unfortunately, you know, it just it's plagued, and that's
why it sucks because we're nitpicking them against the best teams.
But this team maybe does have some depth issues. But
here's the question of today. I've been doing it for
I've been teasing it for a little bit, and now
I'm gonna bring it in to play. Brought to you
by Andrew Peterson. Do you feel confident in Bau's bench
going into the Kansas game. Do you feel confident? Ap
You're the one that came up with the question, Starr,
start with you and then I'll go to Kleb. Do
you feel confident in this BAU bench going into this
game against.
Speaker 5: Kansas I do. And here's why.
Speaker 4: I think.
Speaker 1: Well, first off, I think Mihailo is shooting pretty well
in conference play, so there's that. I think he's I
think he's gonna be just fine. But Alexi Coastitch is
my reason because look good.
Speaker 4: In that game against Arizona.
Speaker 1: Alexi Coastitch came in and hit two threes, and at
least in my memory of this year, that's the first
time that a bench player side of Dawson Baker has
come in and contributed well against an elite team because those.
Speaker 3: They don't view Kansas State as an elite team, because
people are gonna argue you and say, wait, but Mahilo,
you but we're not considering Kansas State can be at Arizona.
Speaker 1: No, they're not even on the same level. All the
games where bench players had come in and contributed was.
I mean, Kansas State's a good team, but outside of that,
it was mostly the low level Pacific Saballene Christians those
games whereas we finally got a great team where someone
like Election Coasters came in, looked comfortable, hit some shots,
and I think he can replicate that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I definitely think he replicated. Uh, Caleb, your thoughts
on on that Election Coast showed up in a big
time moment. Only took two shots, but those are the
two shots you have to hit. And then like you said, uh,
you know, mood Davis. But to answer the question, are
you confident in BYU's benched going to this game against Kansas?
Speaker 6: Confident, I'm not quite sure. I would say confident, yet hopeful,
Definitely hopeful. I think there's a lot of room to
improve with people coming off the bench. Like you're saying, Kostitch,
maybe he needs to shoot the ball a little bit more.
If he's shooting one hundred percent, you always wonder, well,
should he shot at two, three, four more times? Should
he be getting a few more minutes, three, four more minutes?
I don't know what that looks like. I trust Ky.
I know his rotation is something that he takes very
seriously and it's something that I trust wholeheartedly. The way
that he's been able to get production without bench production.
I mean, I trust what he's doing there, So as
far as minutes ago, I don't know if that's necessarily
the issue we're talking about. Mahaalow, he's not afraid to shoot.
There have been a few times this season where I'm like,
I wish somebody else would have shot the ball, Like
when AJ was.
Speaker 3: Going, He's gonna shoot it if he sees it. Mahialo
loves every shot he gets.
Speaker 6: Yeah, he's gonna take it. If he's opening, he's gonna
take it. And you know what, I don't hate that because.
Speaker 4: Then he's gonna take it if he's contested.
Speaker 3: Sometimes he takes a bad Like I said, he has
never seen a shot he doesn't lo which sometimes bugs
was like, don't shoot that one.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I agree.
Speaker 6: I mean the moment when AJ was going for forty
three against Utah, the whole arena, the whole crowd, all
of ESPN, everyone watching the game wanted the ball in
AJ's hands and Mahaalo just shot that thing away like
it was nothing and he didn't make it, which probably
made people a little bit more upset. But Mahalow had
a smooth stroke against Kansas, he helped us out hit
a few clutch buckets. I liked what I was seeing
from him there. If he can be more consistent, I
think it would be a great option off the bench
and what he can bring. Boob brings that defensive intensity,
not quite the offensive production. That defensive intensity helps us
out a lot right when we made stops, Yeah, big
stops coming in from Boob. Kind of that Richie Saunders
type scrappiness on defense sometimes, which is what Richie was
kind of known for under Mark Pope. When we didn't
really know who Richie was yet and what his game
was right we weren't quite familiar with his game. He
was kind of just that intensity, maybe make a few
key plays on defense kind of guy. I feel like
Boop has the opportunity to break out a little bit
more on the offensive side of the ball, But I
really like what he's bringing us defensively. So confident. I'm
not sure that's quite what I would say, but I'm
definitely hopeful for what our bench can do against Kansas
and throughout the rest of the season, and I think
that's gonna be critical. We can figure out more consistency
and continuity from our bench play as we hope to
make a deep run in March.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're gonna need a large sample size. I've only
seen it. Ben always says two or three data points
for to be sure. I've seen one.
Speaker 4: Now.
Speaker 3: I am confident in Kevin Young that he can get
these guys dialed. That is what I am confident because
I've seen it already. I've seen him turn it around.
Last year, everyone said, Okay, he's probably gonna be five hundred,
which is still I remember we had Jonathan tavanaar JT
I think was a little bit higher. He was all
twelve and eight is still great. And then his team
went thirteen to sixty eight, a phenomenal job, tied for
thirty to Big twelve at Arizona, way better, and and
the record showcases this look at worse. There're gonna be
a three at best, they're gonna be a two seat. Now.
If they just somehow flip the script and then they
go beat everybody in February, then maybe they get in
this that last one seat. Doubted still still but they
might be the second two seed on the board depending
where the brackets at.
Speaker 4: But they still control their own destiny. They still do.
Speaker 3: So I'm confident in Kevin Young that he can turn
this squad around, and that's why I believe that they
can take it on the road against Kansas.
Speaker 4: That's my honestake, I really do.
Speaker 3: I really believe that BYU basketball can showcase a little
bit of what they showcase on Monday against the number
one team in the country against Kansas. That should give
you the utmost confidence. If you did it against guys
like Brayden Burry's Coopete, that squad, Tommy Lloyd's squad that's
won twenty one straight, that hasn't lost the game yet,
then you should be very, very very confident. Now, I
don't know if Kansas has another game this week, so
I'm correct me if I'm wrong, AP, I know, I
see you typing and checking that. But if they don't
have another game, then they're gonna have a whole week off.
I know they're gonna be well rested. But sometimes having
a full week off doesn't necessarily, you know, help you,
especially BYU who has some momentum like Rob Richie. Excuse me,
Robin aj did not play their best games. It just
said he just misshots six to twenty four rob That
might be his worst shooting performance on the season so far.
Speaker 4: I think if I had to take a crack, I
think he was three or fourteen or three or twelve.
Is not good. Dave Rimo's tough.
Speaker 3: Kevin Young said he was poed, you know, he wished
they had to play better because of how everything turned out.
But that's basketball, right, Sometimes you have games like that.
But you can definitely take coastage into Kansas with that
and have that confidence and take that and.
Speaker 4: Go on the road.
Speaker 3: Now this again, BYU should be better equipped. Why because
they've already played against Texas Tech. You already played in
the hostile environment. Now, I don't think fog, I don't
think Lubbick is like fag Allen Fields. I'm gonna be honest.
People already camping out. I've already seen the reports. It's
it's different.
Speaker 4: People like, how did that BYU team go in there
and get a win? Well? Was it was a season team.
It was a season team.
Speaker 5: Well, and that was not a great Kansas team.
Speaker 4: It wasn't a great Kansas team.
Speaker 3: It was not well at that moment they were okay,
they unraveled you know later down thea like they did
the last twesay, but that you're right, that was not
a good Kansas team.
Speaker 4: But it's still it's a tough environment to win.
Speaker 3: But why did they They had a bunch of guys
that have been playing together a while, and they had
the veteran leaders. So that's something that they lack going
into this Kansas game. That's something that they do. But
I wouldn't bank on it. Twice, I wouldn't bet my
mortgage if even if I had one, I don't. I
wouldn't bet my rent on my bank account right now.
And Emily Horrocks is not gonna like that. I said
that over the year, but I would have bet my
shoe closet that I don't think Robin Richie shoot nine
to forty.
Speaker 4: I'd be shocked if that would happen.
Speaker 3: And if they were to go back to back of
performances like that, I'd be really concerned for BAU basketball.
And then I would say, Okay, it's an inverse. The
start of the season was bad last year, and the
end of the month of November it's bad going into February.
But I don't think that would happen. I have full
confidence in Kevin Young. I think I said Alexi was
the guy at the benning of conference. You remember this
ap and this would be a first for Caleb. I
said that Alexi was the guy coming into conference that
I felt I could still minutes. I feel like he
could be the difference maker. Him and Haydim because of
Hadem's def I thought that those could be the guys.
I still believe that's the case, especially what I saw
against Arizona. Now, Kayler brought up a good point that
I want to go back to. As I've been on
this monologue. You wanted to see him get the heat check.
Speaker 4: He didn't get it.
Speaker 3: Matt Bamante puts it on the players. I put it
on the coaches because if like coaches to shay that. Now,
I understand players in the moments to give that, but
that's where coaches over out and say, hey, get him
the ball. And I've seen Kevin Young scream and say
that when you're on your side, you're at the game.
Everybody was calm when you brought the ball up. So
I need Kevin unto yale at Aj you know, and
and Rob to get Alexi the ball to shoot that.
Now it's unfortunate because Richie was out of the game,
the top king. I believe if was in the game,
if Braden Burrys would have crashed, I believe Rob would
have kicked it out for him, and I believe, honestly
he'd hit the game winner.
Speaker 4: I truly believe that. But that should have could have
worn it. So it doesn't matter.
Speaker 3: But to me, I'm gonna switch at the pole of
today as this team needs to not get Do you
believe this team is going to be in foul trouble
going into the in the Kansas game? Because I believe
b what you after what I saw on Monday. And
I'll start with you, Caleb, then I'll go to UAP
to me, are you concerned about foul trouble in the
Kansas game? And I know everybody's gonna say, hey, that's
every game. No, no, no, Are you concerned about foul
trouble because we saw you know, Tommy Lloyd's depth get
tested and they were able to steal bring guys in.
I don't know if BYU has all of that. If
guys get in foul trouble. You saw what happened when
Bdo fouled out. You saw what happen with Richie.
Speaker 4: It made it tough.
Speaker 3: Now guys are able to step up in their spot,
but that's not a guaranteed the shots are going to
fall against Kansas. So cale to start with you, are
you concerned about foul trouble yet? Two guys foul out?
If you fill out against Kansas on the road, hostile environment,
fog Allen field House, Top fifteen matchup, I don't know
if you're able to come out with the win.
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 6: So you talk about Richie fouling out of the game
on the ESPN broadcast, at least if the way his
face looked, it was almost as if he didn't know
that that was going to be his fifth foul.
Speaker 5: So I don't know if that's the case or not.
Speaker 6: If he was aware, I he was just trying to play.
Speaker 4: A freaking new horse had to walk off the four.
Speaker 6: But yeah, I'm not sure I was going with that. Now,
if you would have ask me five minutes ago, if
you if I think that fowles are going to be
an issue or not, my as might have been a
little bit different. But I am getting that notification from ESPN, say.
Speaker 4: And that's why I had the breaking news breaker.
Speaker 6: That was perfect time that Kansas is expecting Darren Peterson
to play on Saturday, so I know it was going
back and forth on that whether or not he was
going to play. He's kind of been plagued by injury
the first half of the season. But it looks like
we are going to be facing up against Darren Peterson.
Speaker 4: There it is, say thoughts on the breaking news.
Speaker 1: I expected it to be honest, I expected it with
a low management Kansas. It's it's clear Kansas was saving
Darren Peterson for BYU.
Speaker 4: As they should. I'm not even mad about it.
Speaker 1: Because Darren Peterson versus AJ Debounce was it. It's a
matchup that needed to happen, not only for the players.
It needs to happen for the players because they're playing
for money. They're playing for the right to be a
number one pick, get that number one pick contract.
Speaker 3: We also has some filthy lucre on it as well.
Say that don't go down a dark as a highway,
as Kenny would say.
Speaker 1: But the other thing is these teams are playing for
seeding in the NCA tournament. Whoever wins this game, I'll
say this right now, whoever wins this game is gonna
be one seed higher.
Speaker 5: Than that are maybe two one or two seats higher.
Speaker 1: This game has massive implication, so it's pretty clear Kansas
has been saving Darren Peterson for b YU.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they definitely have appreciate Kaylor breaking the news text
and letting us know as well. But that is what
has been said out looking at my phone. Kansas expects
Darren Peterson to play Saturday versus b YU and fellow
freshman phenom aj d Bonsa ds Bonsas. So we gonna
find out who gets a got him moment on Saturday.
We're gonna find out for sure. We gotta take a break,
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AP will go there, and then we'll turn it over
to Kansas and BYU. What of the Big twelve ranking
comparison so far? Yego Demitus on pace to score seven
hundred and fifty five points this season. That would be
the most by a player in NBA history since Sean
Bradley scored nine hundred and sixty one for the MAVs
slash Nets in nineteen ninety six. Ninety seven, that was
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Speaking of, let's talk about stats. AP your thoughts on that.
Yego demit On pace to score seven hundred and fifty
five points this season, that'd be a most boy BYU
player in the NBA since Sean Browley did it well.
Speaker 1: I think Jegor's developing pretty nicely in the NBA the
way that most BYU.
Speaker 5: People thought he would.
Speaker 1: But to me, the most impressive part is that he's
doing it with the Nets, which has been a dysfunctional
franchise for years. I had very little confidence. And then
that's being able to manage him.
Speaker 4: Well.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was worried about that, the more or less
if you know the health and if that would be
the case. But I'm grateful that he is healthy, that
he is playing. But I was worried if the coaching
staff in the organization when they drafted him, or listen
to the outside noise, because when people drafted them, people
were not confident at first. In in Diegor, they did
not like to pick people didn't understand it. Even had
Steven A. Smith, remember, was given his comments, and I
just I was concerned that people, you know, weren't gonna
really give him a chance. And I feel this way
a lot with people who played overseas come here don't
really know. I remember Nicolaokuchu. Is he even in twenty
twenty six when he got drafted twenty two? Excuse me
twenty sixteen, twenty seventeen, twenty eighteen, no one really knew
who he was. And then even after that it was
still a problem. I felt like that It wasn't until
he started putting up these models and numbers that people
gave him disrespect. And it's gonna be the same. And look,
Yegor Demon is gonna be in the Rising Stars Challenge.
Speaker 4: He is. That's exactly what's gonna happen. He's gonna be
in the Rising Stars Challenge.
Speaker 3: And because he is a rising star, he's gonna have
to go there and prove and earn and show why he.
Speaker 4: Belongs, you know, to other people. And I mean we
knew it.
Speaker 3: We saw, we saw the passing ability. NBA scouts told
me lottery pick he was. But he's gonna have an
opportunity to I feel to be able to do this now.
And that's not gonna go to the playoffs. They are
gonna do anything special like that. They're in a full
real bill mode. But this is good to see from
a BYU player, especially a lottery pick. Because Sean Brawley
was up there as well.
Speaker 4: Jim Er wasn't.
Speaker 3: He was a lottery pick as well as number eleven
but never really got the opportunity because of how they
changed the organization. But Yegor, I think is until AG's
in the league, he's the second coming. And look, I'm
gonna be honest, I think if Yegor continues to work hard,
I think Yego could be an All Star because if
he can sine to go to this NBA versus World format,
I think Yegor's gonna continue to get better and I
think he's gonna have opportunity. But it's crazy to think
the ap in the next maybe five to ten years,
that two bau Grits could be playing in the All
Star Game year after year.
Speaker 1: Well, it's it's And here's another little nugget about how
Yegor's playing.
Speaker 5: I saw this stat.
Speaker 1: I believe Yegor leads the NBA in clutch threes since
January started, And so it's not just it's not just
that he's playing well, but he's playing well in big moments,
and I think you're right. I think he could develop
into an All Star. I don't know that he'll be
a multiple time All Star, but I think he could
have one year where he does really well and his
team makes the playoffs and he'll be an All Star selection.
I'm not gonna say, though, that he's gonna be this
five time All Star. It's possible, for sure, but I
think there's a lot yet to be seen from Yegor
in that aspect. But the potential's there.
Speaker 3: The potential is definitely there. And glad that he's shooting
a nice he's he's killing it from downtown. Look, I
think he leads the NBA right now at least of
the month of I know, January with the most clutched
threes and that's a big time status. And then look,
that's a rookie that's doing that, the rookie from Buyu. Hey,
who would have thought we did.
Speaker 1: I'll just say this, if the Nets somehow get the
get a top three pick and get aj I may
have to be a Nets fan over a jazz fan.
Speaker 4: H not a jazz fan.
Speaker 3: Uh. Never happened, never will be, especially being from Chicago.
I think it's a I think it's hilarious of you
know how how I roast the jazz because of a
Chicago Bulls fan. People say that I Jordan pushed off.
He did, but no one called it, and hey, look,
I guess it. I guess if Jordan didn't really push off,
then I guess you also don't have Yeah, I guess
you also don't have the fact of where that it
was a foul a pi for the Saints and the
Rams because it wasn't called. If it's not called in
this it's not a pushoff. So last couple of stats
and no, we you do got to get to break here.
Ba kanmsas Big twelfth. Comparison scoring offense, BAU is fourth,
Kansas is fourteenth. BAU comes to in averaging eighty five
point four, Kansas is seventy eight point three. Score defense,
Kansas is actually better fifth, BAU seventh. BAU allows seventy
point one, Kansas allows sixty seven point three.
Speaker 4: This game is gonna come down to defense.
Speaker 3: I won't get too much into it because AP and
I will break it down on the Cougar Basketball pre
game show on Saturday. And then here's your field goal
percentage win on this. BAU third with forty eight point five,
Kansas at seventh.
Speaker 4: This is close.
Speaker 3: They're in every top seven category together. This is gonna
come down to the wire. That's what big time matchups do.
The question is, well, Darren Peterson hit another buzzer beater
to win. He dropped fifty eight last time AJ and
him matched up, AHF forty nine.
Speaker 4: We will see.
Speaker 3: I don't think they're gonna go for that many. It's
college basketball. It's the Big twelve. It's way more physical.
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