1 00:00:28,399 --> 00:00:34,759 Speaker 1: Welcome to the Great Detectives of Old Time Radio from Boise, Idaho. 2 00:00:35,039 --> 00:00:38,359 This is your host, Adam Graham. In a moment, we're 3 00:00:38,359 --> 00:00:41,320 going to bring you this week's episode of The Big Story. 4 00:00:41,439 --> 00:00:44,000 But first I want to encourage you. If you're enjoying 5 00:00:44,000 --> 00:00:48,840 a podcast, please follow us using your favorite podcast software. 6 00:00:49,359 --> 00:00:52,520 And I do want to encourage you to check out 7 00:00:52,640 --> 00:00:56,719 our other podcast and today I'm highlighting the amazing world 8 00:00:56,719 --> 00:01:02,600 of radio at Amazing Great detect Actives dot net. Tomorrow 9 00:01:02,600 --> 00:01:08,439 we begin our summer series which will feature Colombo Killers 10 00:01:08,680 --> 00:01:12,719 in Old Time Radio. It's a great summer coming up 11 00:01:12,840 --> 00:01:17,079 as we'll be playing old time radio program featuring actors 12 00:01:17,079 --> 00:01:20,359 who would go on to play the murderer in an 13 00:01:20,400 --> 00:01:24,079 episode of Colombo. We'll both play the old time radio 14 00:01:24,159 --> 00:01:28,519 program and we'll talk about their career as well as 15 00:01:28,560 --> 00:01:32,439 their Colombo episode, with stars such as Eddie Albert and 16 00:01:32,719 --> 00:01:37,319 Baxter Raymondlan, Jackie Cooper, and so much more. Check it 17 00:01:37,359 --> 00:01:42,359 out at Amazing Dot Great Detectives dot net. But now 18 00:01:42,599 --> 00:01:50,040 from August sixteenth, nineteen fifty here is Cornered Rats Always Squeal. 19 00:01:51,519 --> 00:02:02,480 Speaker 2: The Big Story. That's all I have, gentlemen. Just these 20 00:02:02,519 --> 00:02:05,680 watches you see in the case, and these rings and 21 00:02:06,040 --> 00:02:07,120 none of them suit you. 22 00:02:07,239 --> 00:02:10,840 Speaker 3: Uh think I want something better, maybe with little diamonds 23 00:02:10,879 --> 00:02:13,039 on it. Let's see some of your more expensive stuff. 24 00:02:12,919 --> 00:02:15,879 I got nothing in the store just now. Don't you 25 00:02:15,919 --> 00:02:17,919 remember we were in last week? He showed us some 26 00:02:17,960 --> 00:02:20,400 of those buttes in the tray right over there. You 27 00:02:20,479 --> 00:02:23,319 gotta remember, Marrow, sure, Oh, big tray for them. 28 00:02:23,319 --> 00:02:26,439 Speaker 2: I remember when I see I don't think there's any left, 29 00:02:26,479 --> 00:02:30,800 but I see you stand there. I know what you want. 30 00:02:30,840 --> 00:02:31,759 I'm going to call the police. 31 00:02:31,840 --> 00:02:33,000 Speaker 4: Not a good idea, lavement. 32 00:02:33,080 --> 00:02:34,599 Speaker 2: Do you think I won't shoot this gun if I 33 00:02:34,639 --> 00:02:34,840 have to? 34 00:02:34,960 --> 00:02:37,159 Speaker 4: I think you might pop if I gave you a chance. 35 00:02:38,039 --> 00:02:43,120 They start, stop it stops. Yeah, I guess you're right. 36 00:02:44,520 --> 00:02:45,360 It's kind of dead. 37 00:02:54,879 --> 00:02:59,360 Speaker 5: Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. From the pages of the Pittsburgh Press comes 38 00:02:59,400 --> 00:03:02,000 the story of reporter who used the code of the 39 00:03:02,080 --> 00:03:13,039 underworld even though it turned his stomach to do so. Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. 40 00:03:13,400 --> 00:03:18,719 The story as it actually happened, Chester Potter's story as 41 00:03:18,759 --> 00:03:35,639 he lived it. The first killing was of a jeweler 42 00:03:35,759 --> 00:03:39,599 named Emmanuel Liebman. He was found dead with eight bullets 43 00:03:39,599 --> 00:03:43,639 in his body, sprawled behind his kneet counter with an 44 00:03:43,719 --> 00:03:45,439 unfired gun in his hand. 45 00:03:46,080 --> 00:03:47,680 Speaker 6: It was one of those things. 46 00:03:48,280 --> 00:03:50,599 Speaker 7: Eight shots fired at nine point thirty in the morning 47 00:03:50,639 --> 00:03:54,280 in the Hazelwood section of Pittsburgh, and no one heard 48 00:03:54,319 --> 00:03:58,439 a shot, No one had seen anything. You got to 49 00:03:58,479 --> 00:04:02,240 the store, you fifty one year old Chet Potter of 50 00:04:02,240 --> 00:04:05,599 the Pittsburgh Press, twenty nine years on this kind of thing, 51 00:04:06,280 --> 00:04:07,319 and twenty nine. 52 00:04:07,159 --> 00:04:08,439 Speaker 8: Years of hating it. 53 00:04:08,520 --> 00:04:11,400 Speaker 7: Not the work, but the facts ab our people that 54 00:04:11,439 --> 00:04:14,680 you got to report. And in the past seven years 55 00:04:14,919 --> 00:04:19,040 you've gotten yourself a nickname. You don't like, No Conviction Potter. 56 00:04:19,160 --> 00:04:22,439 They call you at the paper and at headquarters because 57 00:04:22,480 --> 00:04:26,160 the last twelve stories you were on no conviction. 58 00:04:26,720 --> 00:04:28,360 Speaker 8: This looks like one of your specialties. 59 00:04:28,399 --> 00:04:31,199 Speaker 6: Putters hau very funny. You mean no conviction? 60 00:04:31,680 --> 00:04:33,879 Speaker 9: Well, as the assistant district attorney, I haven't got an 61 00:04:33,879 --> 00:04:37,079 opinion yet for publication, that is, But it's just playing 62 00:04:37,199 --> 00:04:37,920 Jack Boudreau. 63 00:04:38,040 --> 00:04:40,519 Speaker 8: This is a no conviction if I ever saw one, How. 64 00:04:40,519 --> 00:04:42,959 Speaker 10: Could it be? What were the eight shots fired? Nobody 65 00:04:43,040 --> 00:04:45,040 heard anything? No, Well, he must have run out of 66 00:04:45,079 --> 00:04:47,360 the store. Somebody must have seen him. 67 00:04:47,399 --> 00:04:48,199 Speaker 8: Well nobody did. 68 00:04:49,199 --> 00:04:51,079 Speaker 6: What kind of family is there? 69 00:04:51,079 --> 00:04:55,040 Speaker 4: You're going to like this wife and five kids. 70 00:04:56,120 --> 00:04:57,800 Speaker 6: What about the stoolies? Anything doing there? 71 00:04:58,120 --> 00:05:00,199 Speaker 8: Well, even if somebody were to talk, what's the to 72 00:05:00,240 --> 00:05:03,480 tie to it? Nothing? No witnesses, no gun, just eight 73 00:05:03,560 --> 00:05:04,680 thirty eight caliber. 74 00:05:04,439 --> 00:05:09,639 Speaker 7: Slugs the guy with five cutes, just because the Assistant 75 00:05:09,680 --> 00:05:13,879 district Attorney, Jack Boudreau said, even if the stoolies talked, 76 00:05:13,920 --> 00:05:15,199 what is that to tie it with? 77 00:05:16,279 --> 00:05:17,680 Speaker 6: You didn't let it rest there. 78 00:05:18,720 --> 00:05:19,680 Speaker 8: That was the way you were. 79 00:05:20,560 --> 00:05:23,839 Speaker 7: You saw the family talk to the three wide eyed 80 00:05:23,920 --> 00:05:28,720 girls and the two days boys, the inconsolable widow. You 81 00:05:28,800 --> 00:05:33,600 made the rounds, pushed, pro yanked, asked questions, and you've 82 00:05:33,600 --> 00:05:36,399 got just where you've gotten on your last twelve stories. 83 00:05:37,120 --> 00:05:44,439 No conviction, no suspects, nowhere. Then sixteen months go by, 84 00:05:46,360 --> 00:05:49,759 the second killing had this much in common with the first. 85 00:05:50,040 --> 00:05:51,519 Speaker 8: Eight shots were also. 86 00:05:51,360 --> 00:05:54,480 Speaker 7: Fired an enormous quantity of lead poort into the body 87 00:05:54,480 --> 00:05:57,759 of a man named Cheach, a driver for a robbery gang. 88 00:05:58,439 --> 00:06:01,120 A man named Cheach who hangs out of life despite 89 00:06:01,240 --> 00:06:03,839 eight thirty eight caliber slugs in his body. 90 00:06:03,959 --> 00:06:04,800 Speaker 6: Who did it, teacher? 91 00:06:05,519 --> 00:06:07,959 Speaker 4: Get me a drink of water? 92 00:06:08,680 --> 00:06:13,000 Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, just suck on the straw. Who was it? 93 00:06:13,839 --> 00:06:14,040 Speaker 8: Look? 94 00:06:14,120 --> 00:06:14,879 Speaker 4: You would to know me? 95 00:06:15,040 --> 00:06:15,319 Speaker 6: Better. 96 00:06:16,560 --> 00:06:20,199 Speaker 11: Your friend Boutro's over there in the corner. He ain't asking, 97 00:06:21,959 --> 00:06:25,360 he ain't asking questions. Let me alone. 98 00:06:25,560 --> 00:06:27,639 Speaker 10: Come on, Keach, I don't care one hood about you. 99 00:06:27,680 --> 00:06:29,600 But when that kind of led is poured into two people, 100 00:06:29,600 --> 00:06:32,160 maybe the same guy did it. Now, Look, Keach, you're 101 00:06:32,160 --> 00:06:34,399 gonna die. You're gonna die soon, and you're gonna die hard. 102 00:06:35,240 --> 00:06:37,040 Give yourself a quarter of a chance to get some 103 00:06:37,079 --> 00:06:38,279 peace before you get out of here. 104 00:06:38,319 --> 00:06:42,160 Speaker 11: My mamma told me a long time ago. Don't talk 105 00:06:42,240 --> 00:06:44,639 to cops and don't talk the cop reporters. 106 00:06:46,360 --> 00:06:47,720 Speaker 4: Give me the water chat. 107 00:06:48,319 --> 00:06:51,439 Speaker 6: Yeah, I know, totally underworld something like that, But there 108 00:06:51,439 --> 00:06:54,240 are exceptions. I mean it. 109 00:06:54,240 --> 00:06:56,279 Speaker 9: There's a nice, quiet talking type of the name of 110 00:06:56,279 --> 00:06:58,519 Tommy Carr out of my office. I just came up 111 00:06:58,519 --> 00:07:01,519 here for the routine confirmation. Is it any there being none? 112 00:07:01,519 --> 00:07:05,519 Maybe will adjourn and listen to Tommy Carr. Oh, Keach, 113 00:07:06,040 --> 00:07:07,600 I hope it doesn't hurt you too much? 114 00:07:08,439 --> 00:07:09,120 Speaker 4: Rough dead. 115 00:07:09,519 --> 00:07:19,120 Speaker 7: Yeah, mister Thomas Carr is a louse from way back. 116 00:07:19,879 --> 00:07:20,560 Speaker 8: How old is he? 117 00:07:21,040 --> 00:07:25,000 Speaker 4: Thirty four? Twenty nine years a loss since he was. 118 00:07:25,040 --> 00:07:28,639 Speaker 7: Five, And now the louse picked up on a robbery 119 00:07:28,759 --> 00:07:32,160 charge is talking true to his character. 120 00:07:32,120 --> 00:07:34,439 Speaker 12: On the job was well planned. I got to say 121 00:07:34,480 --> 00:07:39,319 that first payroll was like twenty nine dollars. See, it 122 00:07:39,480 --> 00:07:42,600 was for us. I got to get the boys real credit. 123 00:07:42,680 --> 00:07:45,720 You know, Meryll, the kid he's been studying up. He 124 00:07:45,839 --> 00:07:49,040 planted he's the place too quickly. Time in is on 125 00:07:49,120 --> 00:07:53,519 the paymaster and et cetera. Keach, well, he wasn't cut 126 00:07:53,519 --> 00:07:55,639 on his brain. See but trust with k you know 127 00:07:55,680 --> 00:07:57,639 what I mean, always did a good job when he 128 00:07:57,720 --> 00:08:03,040 was told what to do. He's still hanging on. Amazing 129 00:08:03,079 --> 00:08:06,079 these young kids. The stamina they cut eight slugs in them. 130 00:08:06,319 --> 00:08:07,959 Gotta give them credit on come on. 131 00:08:08,519 --> 00:08:13,839 Speaker 4: Yeah. So anyway, Keach got a kind of little greedy. 132 00:08:14,040 --> 00:08:15,959 Speaker 12: He taught the fourth he was supposed to get wasn't 133 00:08:16,040 --> 00:08:17,959 enough on the kind of how he was taking big 134 00:08:18,040 --> 00:08:21,800 the chances and etc. So he puts a gun on 135 00:08:21,839 --> 00:08:23,600 Meryl puts a gun on him. 136 00:08:23,920 --> 00:08:26,040 Speaker 6: And that's that fight among you guys. Is that it? 137 00:08:26,439 --> 00:08:28,040 Speaker 4: Well, guys are very funny. 138 00:08:28,240 --> 00:08:30,680 Speaker 12: You know, you put twenty nine thousand dollars on the 139 00:08:30,720 --> 00:08:32,120 table between four crooks. 140 00:08:32,120 --> 00:08:33,440 Speaker 4: A lot of trouble can come out of that. 141 00:08:33,559 --> 00:08:34,600 Speaker 8: And you were one of the four. 142 00:08:35,320 --> 00:08:38,080 Speaker 12: Oh no, mister Boudro. You know what you got on me? 143 00:08:38,279 --> 00:08:40,679 What chance have I got? I'm a parole. I'm not 144 00:08:40,720 --> 00:08:43,600 supposed to be associated with this kind of folks. You 145 00:08:43,879 --> 00:08:46,279 gotta right to send me back for thirteen years right now. 146 00:08:46,279 --> 00:08:49,720 I don't deny it. I didn't shoot Keach Merylton that 147 00:08:49,799 --> 00:08:50,799 you cops one egg. 148 00:08:50,679 --> 00:08:51,080 Speaker 4: In your beer? 149 00:08:51,240 --> 00:08:54,840 Speaker 12: What are you telling us all this for? Well, it's 150 00:08:54,879 --> 00:08:58,000 like this scene. First of all, I turned state Sevance 151 00:08:58,159 --> 00:09:01,080 the da. He says, like he always says, I can 152 00:09:01,120 --> 00:09:05,120 promise you're no special consideration. But at the same time, 153 00:09:05,159 --> 00:09:07,000 while he's saying that, in the back of his mind, 154 00:09:07,000 --> 00:09:08,600 he's kind of grateful to me in a way. 155 00:09:08,639 --> 00:09:09,120 Speaker 4: You see. 156 00:09:09,399 --> 00:09:13,440 Speaker 12: I mean I make convictions easier and etc. So who 157 00:09:13,480 --> 00:09:15,799 knows you might be a little lighter on me. And 158 00:09:15,840 --> 00:09:17,799 the second is that parbe what I got to go before. 159 00:09:17,840 --> 00:09:20,279 I know those guys, they're like a fellow who's. 160 00:09:20,039 --> 00:09:21,919 Speaker 4: Cooperated, if you know what I mean. 161 00:09:22,200 --> 00:09:24,159 Speaker 6: I heard you were kind of a nice, kind of 162 00:09:24,159 --> 00:09:25,360 a love Yeah, I know. 163 00:09:26,240 --> 00:09:28,600 Speaker 4: Now, let's see. You want the other member of the gang. 164 00:09:28,639 --> 00:09:29,639 I told you there was fourth. 165 00:09:30,080 --> 00:09:32,679 Speaker 12: That's me and Marilyn Ketch and the fourth the fourth 166 00:09:32,759 --> 00:09:34,759 is Noonan seventy five twenty five. 167 00:09:34,840 --> 00:09:37,120 Speaker 4: Noonan. We call him that on account of that's the 168 00:09:37,159 --> 00:09:38,600 cudios trying, so we know, we know. 169 00:09:38,679 --> 00:09:40,080 Speaker 6: Come on, well, now. 170 00:09:40,480 --> 00:09:43,519 Speaker 12: If I can make a suggestion to you, I think 171 00:09:43,559 --> 00:09:46,799 this is going to surprise you. I'd pick up Noonan 172 00:09:46,840 --> 00:09:49,320 on the robbery, but for TenneT twenty at least. 173 00:09:49,320 --> 00:09:51,240 Speaker 4: But if you stop here, you'd be missing a bed. 174 00:09:51,440 --> 00:09:51,799 Speaker 8: How's that? 175 00:09:53,039 --> 00:09:56,399 Speaker 12: What je happened to remember? Kind of a jeweler by 176 00:09:56,440 --> 00:09:58,080 the name of Emmanuel Liebman. 177 00:09:59,399 --> 00:09:59,919 Speaker 6: What about Lee? 178 00:10:00,759 --> 00:10:04,679 Speaker 12: Well, nobody thought about Noanan and living today. Now, now 179 00:10:04,720 --> 00:10:06,840 I can't say exactly that Noan shot him since I 180 00:10:06,840 --> 00:10:09,200 didn't say him to it. Only well I asked him, 181 00:10:09,200 --> 00:10:12,039 mister Tenney eight seventy five twenty five, well known for 182 00:10:12,039 --> 00:10:13,080 the way he keeps squeezing the. 183 00:10:13,000 --> 00:10:14,399 Speaker 8: Trick he was saying, Nolan did it. 184 00:10:14,519 --> 00:10:16,159 Speaker 12: Well, all I know is the morning got that showed 185 00:10:16,200 --> 00:10:18,360 in like fifteen twenty minutes after it happened. I got 186 00:10:18,399 --> 00:10:20,639 a phone call from Nonan and he says, I'm in 187 00:10:20,639 --> 00:10:21,639 trouble fed card. 188 00:10:22,200 --> 00:10:23,799 Speaker 4: So I says, compile, I'll help you. 189 00:10:23,960 --> 00:10:25,559 Speaker 6: No, you helped him, all right, you helped him? Fine? 190 00:10:25,639 --> 00:10:27,960 Speaker 12: What kept my mouth shut sixteen months without saying a 191 00:10:27,960 --> 00:10:28,600 word tonight. 192 00:10:29,480 --> 00:10:30,919 Speaker 4: What's somebody you don't like my testimony? 193 00:10:30,960 --> 00:10:33,600 Speaker 9: Mister all right, all right, I want a statement on 194 00:10:33,639 --> 00:10:36,559 all this car signed. I don't want you suddenly discovering 195 00:10:36,559 --> 00:10:37,919 and then he broke your arm to get it out 196 00:10:37,960 --> 00:10:38,240 of here. 197 00:10:39,639 --> 00:10:42,759 Speaker 4: It's fair with Tony. I may be a Stoley, but 198 00:10:42,799 --> 00:10:44,519 nobody says I ever went back on my word. 199 00:10:45,639 --> 00:10:48,519 Speaker 12: If you want the real Frank Drot, I was wondering 200 00:10:48,559 --> 00:10:50,799 how come you didn't have a secretary in here, in etc. 201 00:10:51,240 --> 00:10:53,600 Speaker 4: To take it down? As I was telling you, I 202 00:10:53,600 --> 00:10:55,240 got to repeat the whole thing. O. 203 00:11:00,159 --> 00:11:03,480 Speaker 7: Merrill is picked up and nonan and car locked away. 204 00:11:04,200 --> 00:11:08,000 And for this kind of expert information, a good crook 205 00:11:08,039 --> 00:11:10,720 always knows precisely what is needed for a short conviction. 206 00:11:11,559 --> 00:11:14,759 The robbery charge is slapped on hould them why they 207 00:11:14,879 --> 00:11:18,279 try to prove the murder and out of it comes 208 00:11:18,720 --> 00:11:19,600 Theodore Merril. 209 00:11:19,720 --> 00:11:22,799 Speaker 13: You are sentenced to the State Penitentiary for a term 210 00:11:22,879 --> 00:11:27,080 of not less than twenty and not more than forty years. 211 00:11:29,320 --> 00:11:32,600 David Noonan, you are sentenced to the State Penitentiary for 212 00:11:32,679 --> 00:11:39,000 complicity and murder in the second degree thirty to sixty years. 213 00:11:40,759 --> 00:11:44,000 Thomas Carr, you are sentenced to return to the county 214 00:11:44,080 --> 00:11:47,519 jail to serve out the balance of your unexpired sentence 215 00:11:47,840 --> 00:11:50,759 of thirteen years for violation of parole. 216 00:11:54,519 --> 00:11:59,360 Speaker 7: Heach dies Marilyn Noonan go to the Western Penitentiary and 217 00:11:59,480 --> 00:12:03,039 car smiling because he knows that to the county jail 218 00:12:03,120 --> 00:12:06,639 and easy life awaiting the other cases he's consented to 219 00:12:06,720 --> 00:12:07,320 sing about. 220 00:12:07,480 --> 00:12:10,559 Speaker 4: I ain't such a dope, how am I? Even if 221 00:12:10,639 --> 00:12:12,279 I in a very nice guy? 222 00:12:13,039 --> 00:12:16,639 Speaker 7: And you lose your nickname, Chet Potter no more, no 223 00:12:16,799 --> 00:12:20,399 conviction Potter. Three convictions in one day this time, and 224 00:12:20,440 --> 00:12:24,480 you ought to be glad. But something about this loos 225 00:12:24,639 --> 00:12:28,720 who has put himself and two others behind bars, turns 226 00:12:28,799 --> 00:12:32,399 your stomach. There ought to be satisfaction in this for you, 227 00:12:32,600 --> 00:12:35,879 but there is because you remember the three girls of 228 00:12:35,960 --> 00:12:39,759 a manual Liebman, the jeweler. You remember the faces of 229 00:12:39,799 --> 00:12:45,120 his sons, his wife are words you want to get 230 00:12:45,159 --> 00:12:46,240 this louse. 231 00:12:46,000 --> 00:12:46,840 Speaker 4: If you can. 232 00:12:48,360 --> 00:12:51,960 Speaker 6: Not for parole violation. No, that's not enough. 233 00:12:53,600 --> 00:13:19,600 Speaker 14: But how as. 234 00:13:07,320 --> 00:13:10,360 Speaker 7: Long as there's crime, as long as there are desperate 235 00:13:10,399 --> 00:13:13,480 men and women who take desperate chances, there'll be a 236 00:13:13,559 --> 00:13:15,320 code of ethics. 237 00:13:16,159 --> 00:13:16,919 Speaker 8: You know this well. 238 00:13:17,000 --> 00:13:20,440 Speaker 7: Jet Potter twenty nine years on the police run. And 239 00:13:20,519 --> 00:13:22,720 you know the code of ethics is a false one, 240 00:13:23,200 --> 00:13:26,639 a false code of loyalty to self, of loyalty to crime. 241 00:13:27,399 --> 00:13:29,279 And you also know that as long as there is 242 00:13:29,320 --> 00:13:32,000 such a code, there will be betrayals of. 243 00:13:31,960 --> 00:13:35,360 Speaker 4: The code, because it's profitable to betray in crime. 244 00:13:36,200 --> 00:13:40,039 Speaker 7: And they will always be rats, singers, talkers, Stooley's like 245 00:13:40,200 --> 00:13:41,159 Thomas Carr. 246 00:13:41,600 --> 00:13:42,799 Speaker 4: How I know that nor to not. 247 00:13:42,919 --> 00:13:45,840 Speaker 12: Dorp this jeweler, mister attorneys, this, how I know for 248 00:13:45,879 --> 00:13:47,559 an absolute, absolute fact. 249 00:13:47,679 --> 00:13:50,360 Speaker 7: And as long as there are such men, you hate them. 250 00:13:50,720 --> 00:13:52,679 And as you're doing now, not for the love of 251 00:13:52,720 --> 00:13:55,559 other criminals, but for the hate of this one, you 252 00:13:55,799 --> 00:13:58,960 catch them if you can. So you go to Noonan, 253 00:13:59,039 --> 00:14:02,840 the accused new Nonan, who was serving thirty years for 254 00:14:02,960 --> 00:14:05,279 complicity and second degree murder. 255 00:14:05,440 --> 00:14:06,919 Speaker 4: Look at my hand, Look at it. 256 00:14:07,399 --> 00:14:09,720 Speaker 12: I stayed here all day yesterday and the day before, 257 00:14:09,840 --> 00:14:11,600 smacking my palm with my other hand. 258 00:14:11,639 --> 00:14:13,720 Speaker 6: Well, just what are you telling me him? You didn't 259 00:14:13,799 --> 00:14:16,279 kill Liebman, you didn't shoot the jeweler. 260 00:14:16,120 --> 00:14:18,759 Speaker 15: Telling you telling you, I'm telling you nothing. I'm telling 261 00:14:18,759 --> 00:14:22,279 nobody nothing. He ain't fit to die a decent debt, mister, 262 00:14:22,919 --> 00:14:24,679 I don't know what kind of connections you've got, But 263 00:14:24,799 --> 00:14:27,919 get that dog put in here five minutes. Let him 264 00:14:27,960 --> 00:14:29,919 walk in the yard five minutes. It won't be me, 265 00:14:30,519 --> 00:14:32,799 not Mari Needer, who we read it on. Just let 266 00:14:32,840 --> 00:14:34,919 him walk in the yard. That's the only kind of 267 00:14:34,960 --> 00:14:36,840 thing he deserves. I asked you, did you do it? 268 00:14:36,879 --> 00:14:39,799 What do you want? My word against the stoolies? Cops 269 00:14:39,960 --> 00:14:42,440 like stoolies. Don't you know what you get? Mister got 270 00:14:42,519 --> 00:14:43,720 thirty years to live, I. 271 00:14:43,600 --> 00:14:44,399 Speaker 6: Got nothing to lose. 272 00:14:44,799 --> 00:14:47,279 Speaker 4: What have I got to light here for? I didn't 273 00:14:47,320 --> 00:14:47,639 do it. 274 00:14:48,440 --> 00:14:50,519 Speaker 15: If I could get my hands on that dog, maybe 275 00:14:50,519 --> 00:14:55,440 i'd stop hitting myself at least. You know something, mister, 276 00:14:56,440 --> 00:14:58,240 A lot of guys in here would say a lot 277 00:14:58,279 --> 00:14:59,200 of nice things. 278 00:14:59,000 --> 00:14:59,879 Speaker 4: About you if you could. 279 00:15:00,480 --> 00:15:01,519 Speaker 6: Oh that doesn't interest me. 280 00:15:01,679 --> 00:15:04,000 Speaker 4: I know that. But maybe you got your own reasons. 281 00:15:04,240 --> 00:15:07,200 I don't care what the uh, Just get. 282 00:15:07,000 --> 00:15:16,720 Speaker 7: A it's a curious thing. But actually, you chet potter 283 00:15:16,799 --> 00:15:20,200 reporter have no real good reasons to get this man. 284 00:15:21,080 --> 00:15:23,879 Because between Car and Noonan at six of one and 285 00:15:23,960 --> 00:15:26,879 half a dozen of another, between Carr and Merrill and 286 00:15:26,879 --> 00:15:30,919 the others sent up choose between a stooley and a gunman, 287 00:15:31,639 --> 00:15:35,879 rationally you can't, and yet you want to, in the bitterest, 288 00:15:35,960 --> 00:15:37,919 most vindictive sense of the word. 289 00:15:38,080 --> 00:15:38,799 Speaker 6: You want to. 290 00:15:38,720 --> 00:15:42,519 Speaker 4: Get this rap, this stooley, the squealer, this louse. 291 00:15:43,440 --> 00:15:44,679 Speaker 6: You've been making the rounds of place. 292 00:15:44,679 --> 00:15:47,200 Speaker 4: It's quite a lot, now, haven't you on him? 293 00:15:47,720 --> 00:15:49,639 Speaker 6: Who told you? Yeah, what's the difference? 294 00:15:50,120 --> 00:15:51,480 Speaker 4: Well, let me tell you if I had it to 295 00:15:51,480 --> 00:15:53,080 give you, and give it to yourself fast to make 296 00:15:53,120 --> 00:15:53,639 his head spin. 297 00:15:54,320 --> 00:15:55,879 Speaker 8: And he's as dirty as they come. 298 00:15:56,159 --> 00:15:58,039 Speaker 4: And I can tell you this out of private experience. 299 00:15:59,320 --> 00:15:59,919 He don't make the mistake. 300 00:16:00,000 --> 00:16:02,039 Speaker 2: Thanks, not his time. 301 00:16:02,720 --> 00:16:11,399 Speaker 10: Well we'll see about that anyhow. Thanks, you'll see about that. 302 00:16:11,879 --> 00:16:13,159 No mistakes. 303 00:16:13,200 --> 00:16:16,559 Speaker 7: And so you keep at it talking to hard eyed man, 304 00:16:16,639 --> 00:16:20,159 watching young fighters coming into the fight game, young drifters 305 00:16:20,159 --> 00:16:23,320 who hang around wherever a buck can be from motor. 306 00:16:24,960 --> 00:16:28,080 Speaker 12: Car for pleasure, for pleasure, mister, Remember that hold up 307 00:16:28,080 --> 00:16:30,200 in the gas station on South Pennsylvania breaking an entry? 308 00:16:30,320 --> 00:16:30,559 Speaker 4: What was that? 309 00:16:30,679 --> 00:16:31,200 Speaker 6: Two years ago? 310 00:16:31,240 --> 00:16:34,320 Speaker 12: In nineteen forty seven, card downs two orders disappeared off 311 00:16:34,360 --> 00:16:37,000 lots here, the Chevy and a pontiaccident. September forty eight, 312 00:16:37,080 --> 00:16:39,200 card down it two drunks were rolled coming out of 313 00:16:39,200 --> 00:16:41,039 the Elite Club January sixth nineteen fifty. 314 00:16:41,039 --> 00:16:42,879 Speaker 4: This year card down it. You'll write that out, give 315 00:16:42,879 --> 00:16:43,399 me the paper. 316 00:16:46,879 --> 00:16:50,480 Speaker 7: It's good, but it's not good enough. So what had 317 00:16:50,480 --> 00:16:55,360 two years add three years or five? He's got thirteen already. No, 318 00:16:55,639 --> 00:16:58,480 this case warrants more than the difference between thirteen and 319 00:16:58,519 --> 00:16:59,480 eighteen years. 320 00:17:00,120 --> 00:17:04,160 Speaker 4: Then unexpectedly mischieff for guide. Don't tell his name, but 321 00:17:04,200 --> 00:17:05,240 he tells you something. 322 00:17:05,400 --> 00:17:09,720 Speaker 6: Okay, that depends a car, It still depends. All right. 323 00:17:10,279 --> 00:17:11,880 Speaker 4: There's a guy who wants to talk to you. 324 00:17:12,279 --> 00:17:14,599 Speaker 9: He's in Western Penitentiary, but he wants to talk to 325 00:17:14,599 --> 00:17:15,400 somebody outside. 326 00:17:16,000 --> 00:17:16,880 Speaker 4: His name is Merrill. 327 00:17:17,000 --> 00:17:18,119 Speaker 6: The other one car read it on. 328 00:17:18,279 --> 00:17:18,720 Speaker 4: That's right. 329 00:17:18,880 --> 00:17:23,759 Speaker 7: He's got a real warm story, real warm. 330 00:17:28,240 --> 00:17:29,119 Speaker 4: Nona never did it. 331 00:17:29,200 --> 00:17:31,039 Speaker 16: Noonan had nothing to do with the killing the leebman 332 00:17:31,119 --> 00:17:32,559 that Jeula got killed by somebody else. 333 00:17:32,880 --> 00:17:34,359 Speaker 4: He went to the store about nine thirty. When the 334 00:17:34,440 --> 00:17:35,799 jewel went back to get his gun, he didn't wait. 335 00:17:35,839 --> 00:17:37,880 He shut him eight times. Oh who do you think car? 336 00:17:38,039 --> 00:17:40,400 What car? Why else do you think he's ratting to 337 00:17:40,400 --> 00:17:41,960 cover his own stinking self? Up? 338 00:17:42,279 --> 00:17:44,359 Speaker 6: Okay, let's go on from here. All I got so 339 00:17:44,440 --> 00:17:45,440 far is your word Bridge. 340 00:17:45,440 --> 00:17:47,119 Speaker 4: I told you didn't I you're on the outside. You 341 00:17:47,160 --> 00:17:49,000 can prove it. You can do it. I told you 342 00:17:49,079 --> 00:17:50,400 it's a fact. Noona never done it. 343 00:17:50,400 --> 00:17:54,359 Speaker 7: It was car all away, car your wait, but there's 344 00:17:54,400 --> 00:17:58,599 no more, nothing want to come. This desperate man has 345 00:17:58,640 --> 00:18:01,720 had his desperate say and he's not saying anything further. 346 00:18:02,480 --> 00:18:04,599 And so you take it since you're on the outside, 347 00:18:04,599 --> 00:18:07,279 and maybe you can find the proof. To the assistant 348 00:18:07,319 --> 00:18:11,039 district attorney to Jack Boudreau, Sure. 349 00:18:10,839 --> 00:18:11,279 Speaker 8: I like it. 350 00:18:11,319 --> 00:18:13,839 Speaker 9: I like it fine. I think it's true. But I 351 00:18:13,880 --> 00:18:15,000 think something else too. 352 00:18:15,119 --> 00:18:15,480 Speaker 6: What's that? 353 00:18:15,599 --> 00:18:15,880 Speaker 4: Look? 354 00:18:16,759 --> 00:18:19,599 Speaker 9: These two guys, Marilyn Noonan got thirty to sixty years 355 00:18:19,640 --> 00:18:23,039 ahead of him based on cars testimony. Why shouldn't they 356 00:18:23,119 --> 00:18:25,920 say he did it, discredit him whether we like him 357 00:18:26,000 --> 00:18:29,480 or not. And I don't this boy. Car is our prize. 358 00:18:29,759 --> 00:18:32,119 It's on this boy's word. Those men are in jail. 359 00:18:32,119 --> 00:18:34,240 Why don't you do what Noonan suggested? Put him in 360 00:18:34,279 --> 00:18:37,039 Western penn for a couple of days. Nah, although it 361 00:18:37,119 --> 00:18:38,880 be left as shreds, we wouldn't get the proof he 362 00:18:38,960 --> 00:18:41,680 killed the jeweler. You wouldn't get anything except a little 363 00:18:41,759 --> 00:18:44,079 screaming by the Reform Party and the legislature for not 364 00:18:44,119 --> 00:18:48,319 protecting our inmates. No, I need this guy. I'm keeping 365 00:18:48,359 --> 00:18:50,920 him in the county jail. He's good for at least 366 00:18:50,920 --> 00:18:53,160 six more sessions songs. 367 00:18:53,200 --> 00:19:02,240 Speaker 10: I mean, look, Meryl, try to understand this. I took 368 00:19:02,240 --> 00:19:03,519 what you told me to where it ought to go, 369 00:19:03,559 --> 00:19:06,240 and I got nowhere with it. I need more, more information, more. 370 00:19:06,160 --> 00:19:07,680 Speaker 4: Facts, prone I told you. What do you want me 371 00:19:07,720 --> 00:19:08,839 to say? I told you how? What happened? 372 00:19:08,839 --> 00:19:11,200 Speaker 10: Paula got is your statement? And brother, you've got a record. 373 00:19:11,200 --> 00:19:13,559 As long as you are high, what do you think 374 00:19:13,599 --> 00:19:14,559 your statement is worth it? 375 00:19:14,680 --> 00:19:15,440 Speaker 6: He killed a guy. 376 00:19:15,839 --> 00:19:17,440 Speaker 10: As long as you stick to that, he's going to 377 00:19:17,440 --> 00:19:19,319 stay right where he is, laughing at you and maybe 378 00:19:19,319 --> 00:19:21,079 waiting until Noonan burns. 379 00:19:22,680 --> 00:19:23,799 Speaker 4: There was two guys on a job. 380 00:19:23,839 --> 00:19:25,839 Speaker 16: They took a bus and number nineteen bus to Franklin, 381 00:19:25,880 --> 00:19:27,559 having me about half a block from the jewelry store. 382 00:19:27,599 --> 00:19:28,039 Speaker 6: They got out. 383 00:19:28,079 --> 00:19:29,160 Speaker 4: It was going on nine fifteen. 384 00:19:29,200 --> 00:19:31,079 Speaker 16: The job was set for nine point thirty as a 385 00:19:31,119 --> 00:19:33,400 little one arm placed two stores away from the jewelry store. 386 00:19:33,440 --> 00:19:33,839 Speaker 8: They went in. 387 00:19:33,880 --> 00:19:35,440 Speaker 16: One of the guys had coffee with a roller, other 388 00:19:35,480 --> 00:19:37,839 had coffee with a cinnamon bun. The waitress sergeant was 389 00:19:37,839 --> 00:19:39,960 a short girl, kind of dumpy, with dark skin and 390 00:19:39,960 --> 00:19:41,759 big blue eyes. Where's the hair in a bun of names? 391 00:19:41,759 --> 00:19:43,000 Francis that kind of stuff you want? 392 00:19:43,000 --> 00:19:43,039 Speaker 4: You? 393 00:19:43,119 --> 00:19:44,160 Speaker 6: Yep? Go and you're doing fine. 394 00:19:44,279 --> 00:19:45,720 Speaker 4: After the coffee, they went in the store. 395 00:19:45,759 --> 00:19:47,480 Speaker 16: The counter is on the right side with the cheap stuff, 396 00:19:47,480 --> 00:19:48,599 and it in the second counter in the. 397 00:19:48,599 --> 00:19:49,559 Speaker 8: Back of the right angles. 398 00:19:49,640 --> 00:19:51,559 Speaker 16: I was empty and stumps in the back of that 399 00:19:51,680 --> 00:19:53,519 with a handle on the right side of the door. 400 00:19:53,839 --> 00:19:55,960 When Leeman twisted the handle downuts when he came up 401 00:19:56,000 --> 00:19:57,640 with a gun in his hand, and Car squeeze the 402 00:19:57,680 --> 00:19:59,880 trigger and he keeps on squeezing it till a guy falls. 403 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:01,119 And the two of them ran out and got on 404 00:20:01,119 --> 00:20:03,160 the bus. And I'm a nineteen bus going the other way. 405 00:20:05,519 --> 00:20:10,079 Speaker 6: Wow, that's quite a statement. That kind of detail could 406 00:20:10,119 --> 00:20:14,240 maybe send a guy to the chair. Why are you 407 00:20:14,400 --> 00:20:15,480 telling me this, Meryl? 408 00:20:15,559 --> 00:20:17,640 Speaker 4: What do you mean because I want to get the dog? 409 00:20:17,680 --> 00:20:18,359 Speaker 6: No, I don't mean that. 410 00:20:18,400 --> 00:20:20,119 Speaker 10: I mean why are you telling me you were the 411 00:20:20,160 --> 00:20:23,920 other guy in the store, the guy with car. 412 00:20:24,480 --> 00:20:25,119 Speaker 6: I'll tell you. 413 00:20:26,480 --> 00:20:29,759 Speaker 16: First off, I like Noonan, and even though he's going 414 00:20:29,839 --> 00:20:31,240 to stay in here, I don't want Noonon to go 415 00:20:31,279 --> 00:20:31,480 for this. 416 00:20:31,559 --> 00:20:34,119 Speaker 4: He didn't do it. And second off, if they was 417 00:20:34,160 --> 00:20:35,599 to try noonan on what car said. 418 00:20:35,599 --> 00:20:37,839 Speaker 16: They'd never get a conviction, and they'd sweat car route 419 00:20:37,839 --> 00:20:39,720 and sooner or later that Lau said talk and he'd 420 00:20:39,720 --> 00:20:41,279 say I did it sooner or later. 421 00:20:42,759 --> 00:20:44,799 Speaker 4: So I let him get away with saying I did 422 00:20:44,839 --> 00:20:45,960 that one. He and I did it. 423 00:20:47,440 --> 00:20:50,160 Speaker 10: Oh, no, crazy walk sort away. It makes good sense. 424 00:20:51,839 --> 00:20:53,119 Now I'll see what I can do. 425 00:21:00,440 --> 00:21:04,519 Speaker 7: You're cautious now, because you've got to be. 426 00:21:03,680 --> 00:21:05,960 Speaker 8: Because this is betrayal of the betrayer. 427 00:21:06,880 --> 00:21:09,880 Speaker 7: Maybe there's another twist coming and it'll shift the whole 428 00:21:09,960 --> 00:21:12,599 thing back and the double cross. I will try to 429 00:21:12,599 --> 00:21:15,759 double cross the man who double crossed him, and car 430 00:21:16,039 --> 00:21:17,640 does that. 431 00:21:17,799 --> 00:21:20,079 Speaker 4: I should have heard that one. I should have been 432 00:21:20,240 --> 00:21:21,279 rassed when he said it. 433 00:21:22,200 --> 00:21:25,559 Speaker 12: He's a smart kid, that Meryl go a long way 434 00:21:25,640 --> 00:21:28,440 if you don't kill him faced. So we learned that 435 00:21:28,480 --> 00:21:30,799 if you put a story with plenty of details in it, 436 00:21:30,960 --> 00:21:33,160 like like what the guy he ate, where the gun was, 437 00:21:33,240 --> 00:21:35,359 how many shots was fired, et cetera. 438 00:21:37,759 --> 00:21:39,000 Speaker 4: These young kids. 439 00:21:38,720 --> 00:21:42,480 Speaker 12: They're smart, real smart. You only think about it, You 440 00:21:42,519 --> 00:21:44,440 only think about it. I got so many alibi, such 441 00:21:44,480 --> 00:21:46,799 a lot tisto since took. 442 00:21:51,920 --> 00:21:56,319 Speaker 7: But Jack Boudreau, the assistant district attorney doesn't smile, and 443 00:21:56,559 --> 00:22:00,480 Carl laughs, and neither do you. Instead, you bring them 444 00:22:00,519 --> 00:22:03,640 together in the jewelry stall, the two desperate men who 445 00:22:03,640 --> 00:22:04,680 have betrayed each other. 446 00:22:05,200 --> 00:22:06,240 Speaker 6: Car and Meryl. 447 00:22:06,319 --> 00:22:07,960 Speaker 4: Look, keep them away from me, Will you just keep away? 448 00:22:08,039 --> 00:22:11,799 Speaker 9: Nobody's gonna bother your car? Okay, maryn I'll talk. Okay. 449 00:22:12,279 --> 00:22:12,880 Speaker 4: Where I stood? 450 00:22:12,920 --> 00:22:15,200 Speaker 16: He stood over there, right near the counter, the old 451 00:22:15,200 --> 00:22:17,000 guy Liban, He was over there. 452 00:22:18,279 --> 00:22:20,160 Speaker 4: Okay, if I walk over him, okay. 453 00:22:21,680 --> 00:22:25,000 Speaker 16: He took out the trade from here right here, slid 454 00:22:25,039 --> 00:22:26,880 it out on the top of the counter, and Car says, 455 00:22:26,920 --> 00:22:29,720 we don't want the cheap stuff, we want the more expensive. 456 00:22:29,799 --> 00:22:31,680 Speaker 4: What an imagination, kid? 457 00:22:31,759 --> 00:22:34,160 Speaker 16: So the old guy walks back here and says, I 458 00:22:34,200 --> 00:22:35,759 haven't got any, only a few. 459 00:22:36,559 --> 00:22:38,400 Speaker 4: He turns around with a gun in his hand. 460 00:22:38,400 --> 00:22:40,759 Speaker 16: And you started shooting, Car, and I said stop it, 461 00:22:40,799 --> 00:22:42,519 stop shooting. And you kept on with that look on 462 00:22:42,559 --> 00:22:44,200 your face, pumping at pumping it, pumping it. 463 00:22:44,240 --> 00:22:51,480 Speaker 9: Well, Car, the dirty liar, miss take a good look. 464 00:22:51,519 --> 00:22:54,480 If you're will at these men, you ever see them 465 00:22:54,519 --> 00:22:55,400 before together? 466 00:22:56,279 --> 00:22:57,000 Speaker 4: I don't think so. 467 00:22:57,240 --> 00:22:59,759 Speaker 16: I sat on the first store, right here by the register, 468 00:22:59,799 --> 00:23:01,400 and he was next to me. You ordered a roll 469 00:23:01,440 --> 00:23:03,480 in coffee, and I say what kind of buns you got? 470 00:23:03,480 --> 00:23:05,559 And you said, we got nice cinnamon buns. And I said, 471 00:23:05,559 --> 00:23:07,960 give me one. You had on a pair of coral 472 00:23:08,000 --> 00:23:10,079 earrings that morning, and I said where'd you get those? 473 00:23:10,119 --> 00:23:12,359 I'd like to get my girl a set. And you 474 00:23:12,480 --> 00:23:14,920 said the five and ten. And I said what's your name? 475 00:23:15,200 --> 00:23:18,559 Speaker 4: And I said Francy. No, I remember them, the two 476 00:23:18,599 --> 00:23:21,359 of them, both of them. He asked for his coffee light. 477 00:23:21,480 --> 00:23:24,039 Speaker 6: What do you say now, car a dirty liar. 478 00:23:27,920 --> 00:23:30,759 Speaker 16: We got off the number nineteen bus about a half 479 00:23:30,799 --> 00:23:32,440 of block from here, walked through the middle of the 480 00:23:32,480 --> 00:23:34,519 bridge window and was looking right near a bank here. 481 00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:36,960 Speaker 4: Drop the gun in, dredge it and you'll find it. 482 00:23:36,960 --> 00:23:38,880 Speaker 8: We well, we'll dredge. 483 00:23:38,400 --> 00:23:40,880 Speaker 16: And when you get it, I'll identify it as his gun, 484 00:23:40,880 --> 00:23:43,279 and there'll be six guys I can name wholl identified. 485 00:23:43,319 --> 00:23:48,440 Speaker 4: It'll be empty. Every show fire, you're dirty, sto oh 486 00:23:48,599 --> 00:23:55,279 your old car. Listen, it is stooly, cooling, stooly. 487 00:23:55,680 --> 00:24:00,200 Speaker 7: And there it is a stool pigeon stool Bernie in 488 00:24:00,279 --> 00:24:04,279 desperate anger at the man he tried to betray. Here 489 00:24:04,319 --> 00:24:08,079 it is the full cycle, the code of the Jungle, 490 00:24:08,680 --> 00:24:11,599 The ethics of desperation. 491 00:24:27,720 --> 00:24:30,559 Speaker 6: Wow, we read you that telegram from Chester Potter of 492 00:24:30,599 --> 00:24:33,759 the Pittsburgh Press. The killers in tonight's Big Story were 493 00:24:33,759 --> 00:24:36,799 brought to swift trial. I was the first witness to 494 00:24:36,839 --> 00:24:40,599 testify for the prosecution, and despite defense attorney's arguments and please, 495 00:24:41,279 --> 00:24:45,720 both killers finally pleaded guilty and were quickly convicted. Both 496 00:24:45,799 --> 00:24:48,359 received life sentences at Western Penitentiary. 497 00:24:56,000 --> 00:24:58,640 Speaker 17: In order to protect the names of people actually involved 498 00:24:58,640 --> 00:25:00,559 in the knights at that a Big Story, the names 499 00:25:00,559 --> 00:25:03,000 of all characters in the gronversation were changed, with the 500 00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:04,599 exception of the newspaper reporter. 501 00:26:05,160 --> 00:26:08,319 Speaker 7: This is the United States Armed Forces Radio Service. 502 00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:33,000 Speaker 1: Welcome back. Here's the cast of this week's episode. Mister 503 00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:37,839 Potter was played by Bill Smith, and everyone in the 504 00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:43,200 cast doubled. Not Bob Sloan in this one, but everyone else, 505 00:27:43,279 --> 00:27:47,480 including Bill Smith, who also played the murder victims. The 506 00:27:47,519 --> 00:27:52,200 others in the cast Jones, Shay Larry Haynes, Bill Lipton, 507 00:27:52,759 --> 00:27:58,039 George Petrie, and Joe DeSantis. I did chuckle a bit 508 00:27:58,200 --> 00:28:04,000 when you had Patriot playing Bordeaux, because so many of 509 00:28:04,079 --> 00:28:08,799 us remember him as Markham and his voice had the 510 00:28:08,839 --> 00:28:14,359 same quality, so it was like a more competent version 511 00:28:14,559 --> 00:28:19,000 of Da Markham from Filo Vance. Now we don't have 512 00:28:19,079 --> 00:28:22,960 any real life insights on this case. This is another 513 00:28:23,039 --> 00:28:28,400 episode where the stories behind the Big Story website notes 514 00:28:28,440 --> 00:28:33,240 the original story has been identified summary to be available soon, 515 00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:37,720 but no summary available at the time of this recording. 516 00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:41,759 So I guess commenting on the story as a story, 517 00:28:42,759 --> 00:28:47,960 I think that at its core, the episode is about 518 00:28:48,119 --> 00:28:52,680 and kind of glosses over the sort of conflicting feeling 519 00:28:53,279 --> 00:28:58,039 that many have about the whole issue of informants. It's 520 00:28:58,119 --> 00:29:02,519 not too conflicted for Potter. He says like I hate 521 00:29:02,680 --> 00:29:10,519 the informants, the squealers, the stool pigeons. Nevertheless, they are 522 00:29:10,599 --> 00:29:15,680 an important tool that law enforcement and prosecutors are able 523 00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:20,039 to get even more dangerous people off the street, although 524 00:29:20,079 --> 00:29:23,319 this shows how that can be abused. I did also 525 00:29:23,359 --> 00:29:26,079 think it was a little bit weird for them to 526 00:29:26,799 --> 00:29:32,880 bide him because his cases were going unsolved. Yeah, it 527 00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:36,559 would be one thing if that were his job, but 528 00:29:37,240 --> 00:29:41,119 that is technically the job of the police. I mean, 529 00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:43,640 this isn't like baseball where you start to think, I 530 00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:48,799 wonder if that reporter is jigsy us. No, that's not 531 00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:52,079 our law enforcement works. Not at least how it should work. 532 00:29:52,759 --> 00:29:55,960 All right, Well, now it's time to thank our Patreon 533 00:29:56,039 --> 00:29:59,920 supporter of the day, and I want to thank Robert Patriar, 534 00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:03,680 supporter since March at twenty twenty five, currently supporting the 535 00:30:03,839 --> 00:30:07,440 podcast at the Detective Sergeant level of seven dollars and 536 00:30:07,519 --> 00:30:09,640 fourteen cents or more per month. Thanks so much for 537 00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:12,759 your support, Robert. And that'll do it for today. If 538 00:30:12,799 --> 00:30:16,480 you're enjoying the podcast, please follow us using your favorite 539 00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:19,720 podcast software, and be sure to rate and review the 540 00:30:19,759 --> 00:30:24,559 podcast wherever you download it from. We'll be back next 541 00:30:25,079 --> 00:30:28,160 Tuesday with another episode of The Big Story, but join 542 00:30:28,279 --> 00:30:31,400 us back here tomorrow for broadways my baitware. 543 00:30:32,039 --> 00:30:32,759 Speaker 6: Hey what kept? 544 00:30:34,640 --> 00:30:35,279 Speaker 4: Yes? What is it? 545 00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:35,759 Speaker 6: Your name? 546 00:30:35,799 --> 00:30:37,400 Speaker 17: Floyd Gilmour? What it is? 547 00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:37,480 Speaker 4: What? 548 00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:40,000 Speaker 17: I'm Danny Clover police. You might have I come in? 549 00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:40,839 Speaker 4: Well? What for? 550 00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:42,920 Speaker 17: It's about John Dobson. I understand. 551 00:30:42,920 --> 00:30:43,559 Speaker 4: What about Joe? 552 00:30:43,759 --> 00:30:47,279 Speaker 17: Something's happened to him. Might die. Yeah, you better come 553 00:30:47,319 --> 00:30:54,319 in in here. He might die. He's been poisoned. He's 554 00:30:54,319 --> 00:30:55,680 found a while ago in his car. 555 00:30:56,039 --> 00:30:56,279 Speaker 4: Joe. 556 00:30:56,359 --> 00:30:58,480 Speaker 17: I just talked to his wife. She said he'd been 557 00:30:58,519 --> 00:31:03,519 with you. Oh John never got here. Oh no matter, 558 00:31:03,519 --> 00:31:05,359 don't you believe me? What was he coming to see you? 559 00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:05,599 Speaker 6: Bus? 560 00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:08,200 Speaker 17: I ask you something? Don't you believe me? I told 561 00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:11,319 you John never got I asked you something too. He 562 00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:12,920 was coming over to see me. That so what for 563 00:31:13,119 --> 00:31:16,440 to borrow a book? Played chess one? You can take fingerprints, mister. 564 00:31:16,519 --> 00:31:18,400 I'm telling you John wasn't here. It's going to be 565 00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:20,920 pretty tough to prove, mister Gilmore. John Dobson had plenty 566 00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:23,240 of time to be here, be poisoned and leave be 567 00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:27,680 poison You mean me murdered. If John Dobson dies, it'll 568 00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:31,759 be murdered. I'll tell you why he came here. Came here? 569 00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:35,079 He said, he didn't all right? So I got mixed up. 570 00:31:35,119 --> 00:31:37,559 I got a quirk. I get my conjugations mixed when 571 00:31:37,559 --> 00:31:40,759 I'm under mental stress. Why you want to listen to 572 00:31:40,799 --> 00:31:42,839 me or want to call me a liar and arrest me? 573 00:31:43,519 --> 00:31:46,319 Do what you want, mister, go ahead and tell me 574 00:31:46,359 --> 00:31:49,559 your story. I had a friend I wanted John to me. 575 00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:49,920 Speaker 6: Mind. 576 00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:53,079 Speaker 17: I asked why John doesn't get along with his wife. 577 00:31:53,279 --> 00:31:55,640 She didn't approve of his outside interest. You were going 578 00:31:55,640 --> 00:31:57,960 to introduce him to an outside interest. Well, this girl, 579 00:31:57,960 --> 00:32:01,440 it's this friend of mine is nice kid, same kind 580 00:32:01,480 --> 00:32:07,440 of personalities. John, Huh, that's right. Pretty sure this friend 581 00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:11,720 of mine was well fetching is the word that as 582 00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:14,319 pretty as Edna, not nearly as pretty as Jones' wife. 583 00:32:14,519 --> 00:32:18,119 Why I can never understand that about John? A beautiful 584 00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:21,279 wife like Edna all er Doe. Why he had so 585 00:32:21,359 --> 00:32:24,200 many outside interests? Why you should? Where do I find 586 00:32:24,240 --> 00:32:27,319 this friend of yours? Isabel at the New Howard Hotel. 587 00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:32,119 Ask for Isabelle Martin. Mister alright, I'm sorry, Helly, we 588 00:32:32,119 --> 00:32:32,920 couldn't make it tonight. 589 00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:36,119 Speaker 1: Hope you'll be with us then in the meantime. Send 590 00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:40,799 your comments to Box thirteen at Great Detectives dot net, 591 00:32:40,799 --> 00:32:44,039 follow us on Twitter at Radio Detectives, and check us 592 00:32:44,079 --> 00:32:49,880 out on Instagram, Instagram, dot com, slash Great Detectives from 593 00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:54,200 Boise Altahol. This is your host, Adam Graham, sogn and off.