WEBVTT 1 00:00:01.600 --> 00:00:03.279 Always look to the sky. 2 00:00:04.040 --> 00:00:10.519 The Doctor Sky Experience is on the air seventy seven WABC. 3 00:00:11.400 --> 00:00:14.439 Now Here's Doctor Sky. 4 00:00:15.480 --> 00:00:18.519 Welcome to your weekend. How fast seven days it seems 5 00:00:18.519 --> 00:00:21.760 to go and the times. Please continue as always from 6 00:00:21.800 --> 00:00:26.039 the powerhouse blow towards signal Talk Radio seventy seven WABC 7 00:00:26.640 --> 00:00:29.160 and proud to be broadcasting from the center of the universe, 8 00:00:29.239 --> 00:00:32.000 New York City to the nation in the world. Welcome 9 00:00:32.079 --> 00:00:35.560 to another edition of the Doctor Sky Experience, a show 10 00:00:35.799 --> 00:00:39.920 about the many mysteries and realms from astronomy, space, aviation, weather, 11 00:00:40.399 --> 00:00:45.520 celebrity guests, and stories of American exumptionalisms. 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You may be wondering, in 34 00:01:54.879 --> 00:01:57.120 tonight's adventure in the Theater of the mind, what shall 35 00:01:57.159 --> 00:02:00.719 we be talking about, moving away from the typical science 36 00:02:00.879 --> 00:02:03.799 topics per se, kind of associating this with more of 37 00:02:03.799 --> 00:02:07.000 an American exceptionalism story. We're going to be talking with 38 00:02:07.120 --> 00:02:09.400 a great guest, as always, the science and mystery of 39 00:02:09.439 --> 00:02:12.400 surveillance in our world today. And the question that I 40 00:02:12.439 --> 00:02:15.319 proposed and posed to the audience is simply this, where 41 00:02:15.360 --> 00:02:19.319 do we draw the line between public safety and government surveillance? 42 00:02:19.960 --> 00:02:22.840 And with that in mind. Let's hear what some people 43 00:02:22.919 --> 00:02:25.400 have to say about the topic we'll be talking about 44 00:02:25.840 --> 00:02:30.240 pretty much for two hours, the area of surveillance and 45 00:02:30.319 --> 00:02:33.400 flock cameras. And here's what some people have to say. 46 00:02:33.680 --> 00:02:36.479 This is unconstitutional, Like a lot of other people said, 47 00:02:36.879 --> 00:02:38.680 I don't need to repeat everything that's been said. 48 00:02:38.680 --> 00:02:39.560 It's been said very. 49 00:02:39.439 --> 00:02:40.520 Clearly, very loudly. 50 00:02:41.639 --> 00:02:44.439 My grammar school English teacher taught me a couple of things. 51 00:02:44.560 --> 00:02:46.840 I never heard the word flock before. I do know 52 00:02:46.879 --> 00:02:48.840 it now, so I'm going to use it in these 53 00:02:48.879 --> 00:02:56.919 next couple sentences. Removed the flocking cameras from Milford. Whoever voted, 54 00:02:57.000 --> 00:03:00.240 But if flocking cameras, we will be removed with you 55 00:03:00.400 --> 00:03:02.199 from Flocking office. 56 00:03:02.319 --> 00:03:03.719 I can guarantee. 57 00:03:03.159 --> 00:03:05.520 You you will be you will be voted out. 58 00:03:06.479 --> 00:03:12.360 This is I'm consecutional because unnecessary. And I don't know 59 00:03:12.960 --> 00:03:16.240 whose flocking idea was to do this, because I didn't 60 00:03:16.240 --> 00:03:17.120 hear nothing about it. 61 00:03:17.560 --> 00:03:18.520 And now I got it. 62 00:03:18.800 --> 00:03:21.479 I got a barning eleven days after. 63 00:03:22.840 --> 00:03:24.400 The it took my picture. 64 00:03:24.520 --> 00:03:26.479 It was a pretty good picture, I might say, so 65 00:03:26.599 --> 00:03:27.960 I must you must have spend a lot of money 66 00:03:28.000 --> 00:03:32.759 on Yeah, So so anyway, it took eleven days for 67 00:03:32.800 --> 00:03:35.120 it to get to my house, so that means I 68 00:03:35.159 --> 00:03:36.919 could have got two tickets to day going. 69 00:03:36.680 --> 00:03:37.520 To and from work. 70 00:03:38.120 --> 00:03:42.240 Jeff Dornick, founder and CEO of Pickax, an author and editor. 71 00:03:42.639 --> 00:03:45.280 Jeff published and co authored Church and State Now the 72 00:03:45.360 --> 00:03:48.400 Left used the Church to Conquer America and social injustice, 73 00:03:48.639 --> 00:03:51.919 exposing the false gospel of the social justice movement. His 74 00:03:52.039 --> 00:03:56.080 forthcoming book, Following the Leader is currently available for pre order. 75 00:03:56.759 --> 00:03:58.879 His website and we encourage you to check it out 76 00:03:59.439 --> 00:04:04.039 is pick pic kax dot app to learn so much 77 00:04:04.080 --> 00:04:07.080 more as we'll be finding out about what Jeff Dornick 78 00:04:07.360 --> 00:04:12.400 is all about. And Dornick is spelled Dr Nik. Jeff, 79 00:04:12.439 --> 00:04:14.400 thank you for being on the Doctor Sky Experience. I 80 00:04:14.479 --> 00:04:17.439 appreciate your time. I presume that you're on the West Coast, 81 00:04:17.480 --> 00:04:18.000 is that correct? 82 00:04:18.879 --> 00:04:22.399 Yeah, I'm out here in California, so it's a little 83 00:04:22.439 --> 00:04:24.160 bit earlier out here than for you. 84 00:04:24.360 --> 00:04:27.040 So well, absolutely, and it's always a prosing honor to 85 00:04:27.079 --> 00:04:30.000 listen to people like yourself that bring to bring forth 86 00:04:30.040 --> 00:04:33.360 to the audience here so many topics about America and 87 00:04:33.399 --> 00:04:36.240 how to keep us on the street and not narrow, 88 00:04:36.439 --> 00:04:39.040 but of course the wide expanse that America has with 89 00:04:39.120 --> 00:04:42.079 its two hundred and fiftieth anniversary. Jeff, I got to 90 00:04:42.120 --> 00:04:44.399 begin with tell us how you got started and what 91 00:04:44.439 --> 00:04:47.920 you do, and then let's segue to your shows. And again, 92 00:04:48.000 --> 00:04:50.639 the main topic I think of this particular iteration, as 93 00:04:50.680 --> 00:04:53.519 we call it an episode, is all about these picks, 94 00:04:53.759 --> 00:04:56.519 excuse me, all about these flock cameras that we need 95 00:04:56.560 --> 00:04:58.399 to know so much more about to tell about a 96 00:04:58.399 --> 00:05:00.000 little bit about yourself. How you got started? 97 00:05:01.120 --> 00:05:05.439 Yeah, definitely. So I first got into podcasting actually back 98 00:05:05.480 --> 00:05:08.240 in probably like twenty seventeen. I started a Christian show 99 00:05:08.319 --> 00:05:10.800 called just called Conversations with Jeff. I'd sit down and 100 00:05:10.800 --> 00:05:14.079 I'd interview different pastors and theologians and all that. And 101 00:05:14.680 --> 00:05:17.879 I had that show for several years, and you know, 102 00:05:17.920 --> 00:05:20.639 it builds it up, started the Christian podcast Network. And 103 00:05:20.720 --> 00:05:25.040 then I ended up having a job at an advertising 104 00:05:25.079 --> 00:05:28.000 agency out of New York, and I was a VP 105 00:05:28.079 --> 00:05:31.199 of operations. And then COVID hit and they locked everything down, 106 00:05:31.279 --> 00:05:33.720 and so they let everybody go that wasn't actively working 107 00:05:33.800 --> 00:05:37.560 on a campaign. And because you know, if you can't 108 00:05:37.560 --> 00:05:39.800 have an office, how do you have a VP of operations? 109 00:05:39.800 --> 00:05:42.600 So I ended up getting let go the day after 110 00:05:42.600 --> 00:05:44.639 my birthday, which is when they locked down the entire 111 00:05:44.680 --> 00:05:48.600 world pretty much in March of twenty twenty, and so 112 00:05:49.120 --> 00:05:52.680 that day I was supposed to interview a guy and 113 00:05:53.120 --> 00:05:54.639 I called him. I was like, I got a cancel 114 00:05:54.680 --> 00:05:57.279 because I just got lost my job, and he pitched 115 00:05:57.279 --> 00:06:00.639 me on the idea of starting a political podcast network together, 116 00:06:00.800 --> 00:06:03.439 which we did and then we built that up was 117 00:06:03.519 --> 00:06:08.199 quite successful. It was called Freedom First Network. And then 118 00:06:08.720 --> 00:06:11.879 a couple of years ago I had the opportunity to 119 00:06:12.079 --> 00:06:16.240 pitch an investor on an idea for a social media platform, 120 00:06:16.600 --> 00:06:20.240 and the whole idea was building something that was truly 121 00:06:20.800 --> 00:06:25.240 free speech, because I saw on x what was happening 122 00:06:25.279 --> 00:06:27.480 with Elon purchasing Twitter and turning into X is they 123 00:06:27.480 --> 00:06:29.920 have a policy called freedom of speech, but not freedom 124 00:06:29.920 --> 00:06:31.800 of reach, which means they'll let you say what you want, 125 00:06:32.040 --> 00:06:33.560 but that doesn't mean that they actually have to let 126 00:06:33.600 --> 00:06:36.480 anybody see it. So the idea for Pickax was to 127 00:06:36.519 --> 00:06:40.240 have a free speech social media platform as well as 128 00:06:40.360 --> 00:06:44.079 one without algorithmic manipulation. And so I pitched it to 129 00:06:44.120 --> 00:06:47.120 an investor, got it fully funded, started building it out, 130 00:06:47.120 --> 00:06:50.839 and then we officially launched it here in February and 131 00:06:51.560 --> 00:06:54.319 now we're growing by leaps and bounds and just continuing 132 00:06:54.360 --> 00:06:58.439 to find technological solutions to different problems that we're facing, 133 00:06:58.519 --> 00:07:01.959 especially in regards to freedom of speech and freedom of 134 00:07:02.000 --> 00:07:03.680 reach and expression and all that. 135 00:07:03.600 --> 00:07:07.040 So amazing, well congratulations on that as we bring you 136 00:07:07.079 --> 00:07:10.040 to the vast audience here of Talk Radio seventy seven 137 00:07:10.160 --> 00:07:13.560 WABC around the nation and around the world. But some 138 00:07:13.639 --> 00:07:16.000 of the interesting topics here, and I think this is important. 139 00:07:16.000 --> 00:07:17.839 I throw the question out, always a question to the 140 00:07:17.879 --> 00:07:20.160 audience to hear what they have to say and what 141 00:07:20.199 --> 00:07:22.360 we call a theater of the mind, and the question 142 00:07:22.399 --> 00:07:24.319 once again is where do we draw the line between 143 00:07:24.319 --> 00:07:27.720 public safety and government surveillance? And if I can take 144 00:07:27.759 --> 00:07:31.480 the moment just to bring this into focus. Flock's automated 145 00:07:31.519 --> 00:07:34.120 license plate reader cameras are designed to help law enforcement 146 00:07:34.120 --> 00:07:38.639 identify stolen vehicles and solve crime, but many critics warn 147 00:07:38.720 --> 00:07:41.920 the technology technology excuse me, can create searchable records of 148 00:07:41.920 --> 00:07:46.319 people's movements and raise serious questions about privacy, data sharing, 149 00:07:46.439 --> 00:07:49.920 and government overreach. Tell us more because the LAPD is 150 00:07:49.959 --> 00:07:52.399 you're going to tell us, recently halted the use of 151 00:07:52.439 --> 00:07:54.959 Flock cameras and that's a big agency. And I'll jump 152 00:07:54.959 --> 00:07:58.000 in later with some of my personal experiences in the 153 00:07:58.079 --> 00:08:00.600 video surveillance world, believe it or not. As and gentlemen, 154 00:08:00.879 --> 00:08:03.480 please continue, Jeff. This is a fascinating story that I'm 155 00:08:03.519 --> 00:08:07.600 sure affects so many people or soon will right. 156 00:08:07.639 --> 00:08:09.800 Well, you know, it's it's really interesting, especially with the 157 00:08:10.079 --> 00:08:13.040 flock cameras, because I've I've gone, I've talked about this 158 00:08:13.720 --> 00:08:16.439 on a variety of shows, and and and the way 159 00:08:16.519 --> 00:08:18.959 the way that especially talking with you know, some some 160 00:08:19.000 --> 00:08:22.000 people that are in law enforcement as well as well 161 00:08:22.040 --> 00:08:25.040 as not. It's interesting because you can make the argument 162 00:08:25.120 --> 00:08:29.639 from both the law enforcement perspective, which oftentimes is we're 163 00:08:29.680 --> 00:08:31.600 trying to keep people safe. We're trying to track the 164 00:08:31.600 --> 00:08:34.039 bad guys. You know, if there's a guy that steals 165 00:08:34.039 --> 00:08:36.240 a car, we can immediately, you know, hop on there 166 00:08:36.320 --> 00:08:38.399 using the flot cameras and track it down. And then 167 00:08:38.399 --> 00:08:40.919 there's the other people that are obviously concerned about the 168 00:08:40.960 --> 00:08:44.360 constitutional rights and privacy rights and the mass surveillance and 169 00:08:44.360 --> 00:08:46.799 all that. So really the way the way to understand 170 00:08:46.799 --> 00:08:49.080 what's going on with the plot cameras is, you know, 171 00:08:49.159 --> 00:08:54.080 it's it's basically like security cameras that are on steroids 172 00:08:54.080 --> 00:08:56.679 that are tied in with artificial intelligence, and so if 173 00:08:56.919 --> 00:08:59.840 you're contracted let's say, let's say with the city, then 174 00:09:00.519 --> 00:09:02.159 oftentimes they would have like a police you know, the 175 00:09:02.159 --> 00:09:04.799 police department would have access to it. So if if 176 00:09:04.799 --> 00:09:08.440 there's an identify, if there's identifying markers for a particular vehicle, 177 00:09:08.759 --> 00:09:10.320 the police would be able to type in, you know what, 178 00:09:10.440 --> 00:09:12.159 we're looking for a white truck with a with a 179 00:09:12.240 --> 00:09:13.919 dent on the on the back of the truck with 180 00:09:13.960 --> 00:09:17.240 this license plate, and they can use artificial intelligence in 181 00:09:17.360 --> 00:09:20.159 order to basically scan all the flock cameras and be 182 00:09:20.240 --> 00:09:23.360 able to pinpoint either where it is or see the 183 00:09:23.480 --> 00:09:26.320 route that it actually took. And so you know, from 184 00:09:26.399 --> 00:09:30.080 from that standpoint, you can see the immediate benefit to 185 00:09:30.200 --> 00:09:33.559 law enforcement on you know, a quick quicker turnaround time 186 00:09:33.559 --> 00:09:37.559 on tracking somebody down, being able to actually investigate see 187 00:09:37.559 --> 00:09:40.360 where somebody actually went and all that. On the flip side, 188 00:09:40.399 --> 00:09:42.840 you start dealing with your right to peaceably assembly, You 189 00:09:42.879 --> 00:09:45.320 start dealing with your privacy rights and freedom of movement 190 00:09:45.399 --> 00:09:48.519 and all of that, where you could really see the 191 00:09:49.039 --> 00:09:53.080 potential harm and abuse of these flot cameras, and I 192 00:09:53.080 --> 00:09:56.360 always use the example. Imagine, if you know, because I 193 00:09:56.360 --> 00:09:58.639 live out here in California where we had the crazy 194 00:09:58.679 --> 00:10:03.840 lockdowns with Undergavin Newsom, if Gavin Newsom had the ability 195 00:10:04.000 --> 00:10:07.519 of using these flot cameras during COVID where you know, 196 00:10:07.559 --> 00:10:10.559 they would have been able to know immediately who was going, 197 00:10:10.639 --> 00:10:12.360 where were you, you know, because there was a period 198 00:10:12.399 --> 00:10:14.200 of time where you weren't even allowed to go out 199 00:10:14.200 --> 00:10:16.519 on the freeway after a certain after a certain time 200 00:10:16.559 --> 00:10:20.120 at night unless you were specifically going somewhere that was approved. 201 00:10:20.440 --> 00:10:22.279 Like imagine, if you had the Flot cameras, they would 202 00:10:22.279 --> 00:10:24.679 know exactly where you went. That would deal with the 203 00:10:25.240 --> 00:10:28.399 contact tracing, It would deal with our you breaking the lawn, 204 00:10:28.519 --> 00:10:31.519 going to church on Sunday. They would know who went where, 205 00:10:31.600 --> 00:10:34.720 who was associated with who. It would have been just 206 00:10:35.080 --> 00:10:38.039 mass tyranny and far worse than we even experienced. 207 00:10:38.840 --> 00:10:41.360 Jeff Dornick is our special guest the Jeff Dornick Show. 208 00:10:41.399 --> 00:10:43.720 He's speaking with you and the whole nation and around 209 00:10:43.759 --> 00:10:46.200 the world on a subject that I feel is very 210 00:10:46.200 --> 00:10:49.159 important to this audience. The question, of course, where do 211 00:10:49.240 --> 00:10:51.480 we draw the line or you, legies and gentlemen, we 212 00:10:51.480 --> 00:10:55.440 mean public safety and government surveillance and what you've just said, Jeff, 213 00:10:55.519 --> 00:10:58.600 is very interesting. It should trip off a nerve in 214 00:10:58.639 --> 00:11:01.679 the body to say, wow, enough is enough. But let 215 00:11:02.080 --> 00:11:04.279 let us talk about this subject from both sides of 216 00:11:04.320 --> 00:11:07.399 the equation, the science and mystery of surveillance in our 217 00:11:07.399 --> 00:11:09.840 world to day. Yes, you can get in on the 218 00:11:09.879 --> 00:11:12.159 conversation in the theater of the mind one eight hundred 219 00:11:12.240 --> 00:11:15.159 eight four eight nine two two two to feel what 220 00:11:15.279 --> 00:11:19.279 everybody out there feels should be and with controls as 221 00:11:19.320 --> 00:11:22.720 many people want, ork the complete abolition of these type 222 00:11:22.759 --> 00:11:25.879 of cameras. I find it fascinating. Just a little side 223 00:11:25.919 --> 00:11:28.159 story for you and the audience. They may not know this. 224 00:11:28.279 --> 00:11:31.840 Many many years ago, over fifteen I represented a company 225 00:11:32.039 --> 00:11:34.840 and I'm honest that was in the video surveillance world 226 00:11:34.919 --> 00:11:38.919 for in custody chain of custody law enforcement, in other words, 227 00:11:38.960 --> 00:11:41.879 in the patrol car, they had a data recorder that 228 00:11:41.960 --> 00:11:44.480 went into the area where the radio was. For those 229 00:11:44.519 --> 00:11:46.639 of you that are fans of the Ford police vehicles 230 00:11:46.639 --> 00:11:48.799 of days gone by, this was known as the P 231 00:11:48.919 --> 00:11:52.200 seventy one platform from Ford, simply known as a police car. 232 00:11:52.720 --> 00:11:55.279 And in that particular case, Jeff, and to everybody listening, 233 00:11:55.639 --> 00:11:58.120 there was a video surveillance camera when an officer would 234 00:11:58.120 --> 00:12:00.519 do a traffic stop. They also had an audio type 235 00:12:00.519 --> 00:12:04.039 of device, well before the before these new Exxon cameras 236 00:12:04.080 --> 00:12:06.840 that are now out there. The problematic thing was one 237 00:12:06.919 --> 00:12:09.679 day and I was sitting in a meeting with entire staff, 238 00:12:09.679 --> 00:12:12.720 maybe one hundred people. Somebody came in Jeff with a 239 00:12:12.759 --> 00:12:15.720 presentation and I was kind of shocked. And this really 240 00:12:15.720 --> 00:12:17.759 got me to think. I had a question my own 241 00:12:17.759 --> 00:12:21.919 sanity in doing this. What was it? License plate reader cameras. 242 00:12:21.960 --> 00:12:24.000 The guy got up at the podium and said, we 243 00:12:24.080 --> 00:12:26.600 now have the technology to go through any shopping mall 244 00:12:26.720 --> 00:12:30.279 and scan every single license plate. We can find out 245 00:12:30.320 --> 00:12:32.960 who might have a warrant, who has unpaid traffic tickets. 246 00:12:33.440 --> 00:12:35.039 And it kind of bothered me. And again I'm not 247 00:12:35.039 --> 00:12:39.200 being melodramatic. It fits very well to what we're talking about, correct. 248 00:12:40.000 --> 00:12:43.039 Yeah, no, absolutely, you know, and and you know there's 249 00:12:43.080 --> 00:12:46.399 there's you know, there's schools that are contracting with the 250 00:12:46.399 --> 00:12:48.679 plot cameras, there's churches that are that are that are 251 00:12:48.679 --> 00:12:51.679 contracting with and there's h o ways in addition to 252 00:12:51.799 --> 00:12:53.759 the cities and the police and the police departments and 253 00:12:54.120 --> 00:12:56.159 all that and and again it's like when you when 254 00:12:56.159 --> 00:12:59.519 you when you think about it from a school security standpoint, 255 00:13:00.320 --> 00:13:03.159 if you have access to these blot cameras and you 256 00:13:03.200 --> 00:13:06.600 can identify license plates and you can identify cars and 257 00:13:07.080 --> 00:13:09.639 all that, you get the immediate benefit of that. And 258 00:13:09.679 --> 00:13:12.120 I would argue that that's probably a pretty good application 259 00:13:12.200 --> 00:13:15.639 of it to where if a kid goes missing, then 260 00:13:15.679 --> 00:13:18.120 you would immediately know, okay, well we know that the 261 00:13:18.200 --> 00:13:20.480 last place that that they got in with this vehicle, 262 00:13:20.519 --> 00:13:22.000 and then you can actually track the car down and 263 00:13:22.039 --> 00:13:25.080 all that. So on one hand, again you see the 264 00:13:25.200 --> 00:13:28.440 benefit of that, but also when you when you also 265 00:13:28.440 --> 00:13:32.480 think about it, like you explained, there is a vast 266 00:13:32.480 --> 00:13:35.519 invasion of privacy. And again we have to we have 267 00:13:35.600 --> 00:13:40.200 to preface this by saying that in general, you could 268 00:13:40.360 --> 00:13:42.720 argue this technology is going to be used for good. 269 00:13:42.759 --> 00:13:44.480 You got to you know, hunt down the bad guys, 270 00:13:44.519 --> 00:13:47.080 who's got who's going to warrant out, But there's also 271 00:13:47.120 --> 00:13:50.799 been instances where blot cameras have been used and abuse, 272 00:13:51.200 --> 00:13:53.519 and you can also see the potential for a much 273 00:13:53.559 --> 00:13:56.639 more tyrannical application of it. You know, just think about 274 00:13:56.639 --> 00:13:59.759 what's happening in China with are a social credit scores. 275 00:14:00.039 --> 00:14:02.480 You saw what happened with the with the COVID lockdowns 276 00:14:02.480 --> 00:14:05.159 and all the security they were doing over there in China, 277 00:14:05.679 --> 00:14:08.559 like you know, the Chinese that infiltrated a lot of 278 00:14:08.559 --> 00:14:12.279 different aspects of the United States government, of our society 279 00:14:12.320 --> 00:14:14.919 out here. So when you think about it, the technology 280 00:14:15.000 --> 00:14:18.320 is in place for that kind of a surveillance state 281 00:14:18.600 --> 00:14:20.799 that we have to be very cautious about that. We don't, 282 00:14:21.240 --> 00:14:22.559 you know, fast track it to that point. 283 00:14:23.240 --> 00:14:25.320 You know, it's interesting. I'm not a biblical scholar by 284 00:14:25.360 --> 00:14:27.320 any means, and I'm sure you can help us as 285 00:14:27.360 --> 00:14:29.759 we navigate through time and space here. But if you 286 00:14:29.799 --> 00:14:32.240 look at flock, I've done a little research in the Bible, 287 00:14:32.279 --> 00:14:34.240 and there's so many chapters in the Bible in which 288 00:14:34.240 --> 00:14:37.000 flock is defined, and it comes down to this, and 289 00:14:37.039 --> 00:14:42.039 this was a summation human helplessness, naivete dependence in large 290 00:14:42.120 --> 00:14:44.159 crowds or groups. So I got to ask you this, 291 00:14:44.960 --> 00:14:47.559 what does in your opinion the flock term? Is it 292 00:14:47.639 --> 00:14:50.960 named after an individual or what's the namesake behind the 293 00:14:51.039 --> 00:14:54.080 name plock? Does it have any significant meaning other than 294 00:14:54.279 --> 00:14:55.080 the way it sounds. 295 00:14:56.519 --> 00:15:00.879 Yeah, well, I think that it's It's really interesting because 296 00:15:00.960 --> 00:15:05.000 because it depends on how on how conspiratorial, uh people 297 00:15:05.080 --> 00:15:07.080 want to get on that one. But it's interesting because 298 00:15:07.080 --> 00:15:10.720 because because the very very obviously the very definition of 299 00:15:10.759 --> 00:15:14.159 it is is that group mentality of I think I 300 00:15:14.159 --> 00:15:16.039 think really what they were trying to convey was this 301 00:15:16.120 --> 00:15:20.240 idea that we've got these this group of cameras, you know, 302 00:15:20.360 --> 00:15:23.879 all tied together with with artificial intelligence to where you know, 303 00:15:23.919 --> 00:15:27.159 they're all working in conjunction with each other, just like 304 00:15:27.200 --> 00:15:29.200 a flock of birds or what or whatever it is. 305 00:15:29.240 --> 00:15:31.320 I think that the you know, when when you start 306 00:15:31.360 --> 00:15:36.519 getting into more of the of the conspiratorial standpoint, you know, 307 00:15:36.679 --> 00:15:39.559 like you know, it reminds me of you know, the 308 00:15:40.159 --> 00:15:43.159 you know, when you start dealing with the demonic entities 309 00:15:43.159 --> 00:15:45.399 that you that you know, Jesus would confront or the 310 00:15:45.440 --> 00:15:48.200 Apostles would confront, and you know, whether whether it was 311 00:15:48.240 --> 00:15:51.720 like Legion and there was these hosts of of demonic 312 00:15:52.080 --> 00:15:55.120 entities and beings and yeah, I don't want to convey 313 00:15:55.240 --> 00:15:57.720 this idea that this is for sure like a demonic 314 00:15:57.799 --> 00:16:01.120 type of thing, but exactly reminiscent, it's very it's very 315 00:16:01.159 --> 00:16:04.600 reminiscent of that. And what's really. The other really interesting 316 00:16:04.639 --> 00:16:06.639 thing is is that I've been diving a lot more 317 00:16:06.679 --> 00:16:12.080 into the worldview behind you know, Silicon Valley and technology, 318 00:16:12.159 --> 00:16:15.120 and there's a lot of that kind of symbolism hidden 319 00:16:15.159 --> 00:16:17.360 within a lot of the names and a lot of 320 00:16:17.360 --> 00:16:20.639 the logos amongst a lot of the Silicon Valley you know, 321 00:16:20.679 --> 00:16:23.559 tech companies, and and it's been interesting because there's been 322 00:16:23.600 --> 00:16:25.759 a lot of articles. And actually talked to a reporter 323 00:16:25.879 --> 00:16:29.440 for Rolling Stone several months ago about this about the 324 00:16:29.519 --> 00:16:31.679 story which was that, you know, they were saying that 325 00:16:31.720 --> 00:16:34.480 there's a Christian revival happening within Silicon Valley. But the 326 00:16:34.519 --> 00:16:36.759 more that I researched it, the more that I looked 327 00:16:36.759 --> 00:16:39.759 into it, it wasn't as much of a Christian revival 328 00:16:39.799 --> 00:16:42.320 as a Gnostic revival. So they were actually believing in 329 00:16:42.559 --> 00:16:46.320 the Gnostic Gospels, which are contradictory to what we find 330 00:16:46.399 --> 00:16:49.240 in the whole in the Holy Scriptures. And so, you know, 331 00:16:49.320 --> 00:16:52.480 it's it's really interesting because when when you look at 332 00:16:52.480 --> 00:16:56.279 the world view behind the Gnostic Gospels, it very much 333 00:16:56.440 --> 00:16:58.639 is in line with Silicon Valley, which is the search 334 00:16:58.639 --> 00:17:02.759 for hidden knowledge and and you discovering all of these things, 335 00:17:03.120 --> 00:17:06.359 So it fits in with that kind of mentality, If 336 00:17:06.359 --> 00:17:07.720 that makes sense, well. 337 00:17:07.559 --> 00:17:09.640 Nor to Jeff and I, ladies and gentlemen, obviously not 338 00:17:09.680 --> 00:17:12.119 just saying that for safety reasons, wanted to disparage any 339 00:17:12.160 --> 00:17:15.160 company out there. I don't know the people that clock safety. 340 00:17:15.480 --> 00:17:17.759 All we want to do, and we're certainly not apologizing 341 00:17:17.759 --> 00:17:20.720 for this, is to bring out a conversation what I 342 00:17:20.759 --> 00:17:23.720 think is even bigger than any company, right Jeff, about 343 00:17:23.720 --> 00:17:26.119 what's happening if you look at the whole collective in 344 00:17:26.160 --> 00:17:29.799 the entire world, where is this planet and particularly since 345 00:17:29.799 --> 00:17:33.359 we're talking here with mostly from America and Canada, North America, 346 00:17:33.400 --> 00:17:36.359 precisely what's going to happen to us if we just 347 00:17:36.440 --> 00:17:39.160 are asleep at the wheel or asleep at the switch. 348 00:17:39.759 --> 00:17:42.200 Very interesting conversation here. But help us out on this. 349 00:17:42.319 --> 00:17:45.039 Is there any way without putting you in a bad position. 350 00:17:45.319 --> 00:17:47.759 How do people actually find out where the flock cameras 351 00:17:47.799 --> 00:17:50.519 are in their neighborhood? Is this publicly identified as it 352 00:17:50.559 --> 00:17:53.079 continues to grow? I mean, how do people even know 353 00:17:53.119 --> 00:17:55.240 where they are? Help us on that? 354 00:17:55.440 --> 00:17:59.440 Yeah, well, yeah, there's different resources and different tracking websites 355 00:17:59.440 --> 00:18:01.079 that are out there. I don't I don't have the 356 00:18:01.440 --> 00:18:02.920 direct u r ls off the top of my head, 357 00:18:03.079 --> 00:18:04.599 I can pull I can pull them up here here 358 00:18:04.599 --> 00:18:06.640 in a little bit. But I do know that there's different, 359 00:18:06.680 --> 00:18:08.759 that there's different, there's different sites that are out there 360 00:18:08.799 --> 00:18:12.160 that that are very easy to find, that that will 361 00:18:12.200 --> 00:18:15.079 actually let you know where flock cameras are in and 362 00:18:15.480 --> 00:18:19.119 in which cities are contracting with with the flock cameras 363 00:18:19.160 --> 00:18:21.720 as well, and the same The thing that I always, uh, 364 00:18:21.839 --> 00:18:24.799 you know, encourage people is to take a look at 365 00:18:24.839 --> 00:18:27.880 your local city and in local local county and see 366 00:18:27.920 --> 00:18:31.000 if if your local police department or city has actually 367 00:18:31.039 --> 00:18:33.759 you know, contracted with them, and then go around and 368 00:18:33.759 --> 00:18:36.079 and see do you feel safer or do you feel 369 00:18:36.079 --> 00:18:38.359 like this is kind of like an invasion of privacy? 370 00:18:38.400 --> 00:18:40.559 Do you do you feel like you're always being watched? 371 00:18:40.880 --> 00:18:42.799 And then what you should do is you should actually 372 00:18:42.880 --> 00:18:45.319 go speak to your city council because they're more than 373 00:18:45.359 --> 00:18:48.200 likely the ones that approved the contract or you know, 374 00:18:48.240 --> 00:18:50.559 went along with it, and then actually share your concerns 375 00:18:50.599 --> 00:18:52.880 with them. And you know, the reality of it is 376 00:18:52.880 --> 00:18:55.799 is that it doesn't take that many people to share 377 00:18:55.839 --> 00:18:59.920 their concerns about these things before they realize like, Okay, 378 00:19:00.079 --> 00:19:02.519 this represents a larger group of people. Maybe we need 379 00:19:02.559 --> 00:19:04.359 to take this a little bit more seriously and then 380 00:19:04.359 --> 00:19:05.960 maybe your concerns can be heard about it. 381 00:19:06.839 --> 00:19:08.880 Jeff, people are coming into our theater of the mind, 382 00:19:08.880 --> 00:19:10.599 as we like to say it, because we're not watching 383 00:19:10.599 --> 00:19:13.200 this on video, and people are coming in right now 384 00:19:14.119 --> 00:19:17.039 four eight nine to two two expressing their concerns. And 385 00:19:17.119 --> 00:19:20.839 to start off our conversation, we welcome online too, Matt 386 00:19:20.880 --> 00:19:23.519 in the Bronx. You're on with Jeff Dornick. Thank you 387 00:19:23.559 --> 00:19:26.920 for coming into our theater of the mind. How are you, yes, 388 00:19:26.920 --> 00:19:27.400 good morning. 389 00:19:27.880 --> 00:19:31.279 Well. With regard to government surveillance, you mentioned China and 390 00:19:31.359 --> 00:19:34.440 the social credit system that's been enabled by five G 391 00:19:34.599 --> 00:19:39.680 technology and companies like Huawei. But in the United States, unfortunately, 392 00:19:39.680 --> 00:19:44.000 there's a very sordid history of illegal government surveillance and 393 00:19:44.039 --> 00:19:48.680 harassment by law enforcement agencies dating well well before the 394 00:19:48.720 --> 00:19:52.480 civil rights era. If you remember, the FBI had cointelpro 395 00:19:53.680 --> 00:19:58.920 where it was actually actively following in entrapping civil rights activists, 396 00:19:59.000 --> 00:20:04.680 people on the left, various other figures across the political spectrum. 397 00:20:04.839 --> 00:20:06.960 And again, ninety percent of the people that were being 398 00:20:07.000 --> 00:20:10.880 targeted were not criminals. That's been very important to remember. 399 00:20:11.359 --> 00:20:14.279 These are people at his Yeah, these are simply people 400 00:20:14.359 --> 00:20:18.200 that had political views though outside the mainstream. But again, 401 00:20:18.279 --> 00:20:20.839