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Speaker 3: tonight's adventure in the Theater of the mind, what shall
Speaker 3: we be talking about, moving away from the typical science
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Speaker 3: an American exceptionalism story. We're going to be talking with
Speaker 3: a great guest, as always, the science and mystery of
Speaker 3: surveillance in our world today. And the question that I
Speaker 3: proposed and posed to the audience is simply this, where
Speaker 3: do we draw the line between public safety and government surveillance?
Speaker 3: And with that in mind. Let's hear what some people
Speaker 3: have to say about the topic we'll be talking about
Speaker 3: pretty much for two hours, the area of surveillance and
Speaker 3: flock cameras. And here's what some people have to say.
Speaker 4: This is unconstitutional, Like a lot of other people said,
Speaker 4: I don't need to repeat everything that's been said.
Speaker 1: It's been said very.
Speaker 3: Clearly, very loudly.
Speaker 4: My grammar school English teacher taught me a couple of things.
Speaker 4: I never heard the word flock before. I do know
Speaker 4: it now, so I'm going to use it in these
Speaker 4: next couple sentences. Removed the flocking cameras from Milford. Whoever voted,
Speaker 4: But if flocking cameras, we will be removed with you
Speaker 4: from Flocking office.
Speaker 5: I can guarantee.
Speaker 1: You you will be you will be voted out.
Speaker 4: This is I'm consecutional because unnecessary. And I don't know
Speaker 4: whose flocking idea was to do this, because I didn't
Speaker 4: hear nothing about it.
Speaker 6: And now I got it.
Speaker 4: I got a barning eleven days after.
Speaker 3: The it took my picture.
Speaker 4: It was a pretty good picture, I might say, so
Speaker 4: I must you must have spend a lot of money
Speaker 4: on Yeah, So so anyway, it took eleven days for
Speaker 4: it to get to my house, so that means I
Speaker 4: could have got two tickets to day going.
Speaker 1: To and from work.
Speaker 3: Jeff Dornick, founder and CEO of Pickax, an author and editor.
Speaker 3: Jeff published and co authored Church and State Now the
Speaker 3: Left used the Church to Conquer America and social injustice,
Speaker 3: exposing the false gospel of the social justice movement. His
Speaker 3: forthcoming book, Following the Leader is currently available for pre order.
Speaker 3: His website and we encourage you to check it out
Speaker 3: is pick pic kax dot app to learn so much
Speaker 3: more as we'll be finding out about what Jeff Dornick
Speaker 3: is all about. And Dornick is spelled Dr Nik. Jeff,
Speaker 3: thank you for being on the Doctor Sky Experience. I
Speaker 3: appreciate your time. I presume that you're on the West Coast,
Speaker 3: is that correct?
Speaker 7: Yeah, I'm out here in California, so it's a little
Speaker 7: bit earlier out here than for you.
Speaker 3: So well, absolutely, and it's always a prosing honor to
Speaker 3: listen to people like yourself that bring to bring forth
Speaker 3: to the audience here so many topics about America and
Speaker 3: how to keep us on the street and not narrow,
Speaker 3: but of course the wide expanse that America has with
Speaker 3: its two hundred and fiftieth anniversary. Jeff, I got to
Speaker 3: begin with tell us how you got started and what
Speaker 3: you do, and then let's segue to your shows. And again,
Speaker 3: the main topic I think of this particular iteration, as
Speaker 3: we call it an episode, is all about these picks,
Speaker 3: excuse me, all about these flock cameras that we need
Speaker 3: to know so much more about to tell about a
Speaker 3: little bit about yourself. How you got started?
Speaker 7: Yeah, definitely. So I first got into podcasting actually back
Speaker 7: in probably like twenty seventeen. I started a Christian show
Speaker 7: called just called Conversations with Jeff. I'd sit down and
Speaker 7: I'd interview different pastors and theologians and all that. And
Speaker 7: I had that show for several years, and you know,
Speaker 7: it builds it up, started the Christian podcast Network. And
Speaker 7: then I ended up having a job at an advertising
Speaker 7: agency out of New York, and I was a VP
Speaker 7: of operations. And then COVID hit and they locked everything down,
Speaker 7: and so they let everybody go that wasn't actively working
Speaker 7: on a campaign. And because you know, if you can't
Speaker 7: have an office, how do you have a VP of operations?
Speaker 7: So I ended up getting let go the day after
Speaker 7: my birthday, which is when they locked down the entire
Speaker 7: world pretty much in March of twenty twenty, and so
Speaker 7: that day I was supposed to interview a guy and
Speaker 7: I called him. I was like, I got a cancel
Speaker 7: because I just got lost my job, and he pitched
Speaker 7: me on the idea of starting a political podcast network together,
Speaker 7: which we did and then we built that up was
Speaker 7: quite successful. It was called Freedom First Network. And then
Speaker 7: a couple of years ago I had the opportunity to
Speaker 7: pitch an investor on an idea for a social media platform,
Speaker 7: and the whole idea was building something that was truly
Speaker 7: free speech, because I saw on x what was happening
Speaker 7: with Elon purchasing Twitter and turning into X is they
Speaker 7: have a policy called freedom of speech, but not freedom
Speaker 7: of reach, which means they'll let you say what you want,
Speaker 7: but that doesn't mean that they actually have to let
Speaker 7: anybody see it. So the idea for Pickax was to
Speaker 7: have a free speech social media platform as well as
Speaker 7: one without algorithmic manipulation. And so I pitched it to
Speaker 7: an investor, got it fully funded, started building it out,
Speaker 7: and then we officially launched it here in February and
Speaker 7: now we're growing by leaps and bounds and just continuing
Speaker 7: to find technological solutions to different problems that we're facing,
Speaker 7: especially in regards to freedom of speech and freedom of
Speaker 7: reach and expression and all that.
Speaker 3: So amazing, well congratulations on that as we bring you
Speaker 3: to the vast audience here of Talk Radio seventy seven
Speaker 3: WABC around the nation and around the world. But some
Speaker 3: of the interesting topics here, and I think this is important.
Speaker 3: I throw the question out, always a question to the
Speaker 3: audience to hear what they have to say and what
Speaker 3: we call a theater of the mind, and the question
Speaker 3: once again is where do we draw the line between
Speaker 3: public safety and government surveillance? And if I can take
Speaker 3: the moment just to bring this into focus. Flock's automated
Speaker 3: license plate reader cameras are designed to help law enforcement
Speaker 3: identify stolen vehicles and solve crime, but many critics warn
Speaker 3: the technology technology excuse me, can create searchable records of
Speaker 3: people's movements and raise serious questions about privacy, data sharing,
Speaker 3: and government overreach. Tell us more because the LAPD is
Speaker 3: you're going to tell us, recently halted the use of
Speaker 3: Flock cameras and that's a big agency. And I'll jump
Speaker 3: in later with some of my personal experiences in the
Speaker 3: video surveillance world, believe it or not. As and gentlemen,
Speaker 3: please continue, Jeff. This is a fascinating story that I'm
Speaker 3: sure affects so many people or soon will right.
Speaker 7: Well, you know, it's it's really interesting, especially with the
Speaker 7: flock cameras, because I've I've gone, I've talked about this
Speaker 7: on a variety of shows, and and and the way
Speaker 7: the way that especially talking with you know, some some
Speaker 7: people that are in law enforcement as well as well
Speaker 7: as not. It's interesting because you can make the argument
Speaker 7: from both the law enforcement perspective, which oftentimes is we're
Speaker 7: trying to keep people safe. We're trying to track the
Speaker 7: bad guys. You know, if there's a guy that steals
Speaker 7: a car, we can immediately, you know, hop on there
Speaker 7: using the flot cameras and track it down. And then
Speaker 7: there's the other people that are obviously concerned about the
Speaker 7: constitutional rights and privacy rights and the mass surveillance and
Speaker 7: all that. So really the way the way to understand
Speaker 7: what's going on with the plot cameras is, you know,
Speaker 7: it's it's basically like security cameras that are on steroids
Speaker 7: that are tied in with artificial intelligence, and so if
Speaker 7: you're contracted let's say, let's say with the city, then
Speaker 7: oftentimes they would have like a police you know, the
Speaker 7: police department would have access to it. So if if
Speaker 7: there's an identify, if there's identifying markers for a particular vehicle,
Speaker 7: the police would be able to type in, you know what,
Speaker 7: we're looking for a white truck with a with a
Speaker 7: dent on the on the back of the truck with
Speaker 7: this license plate, and they can use artificial intelligence in
Speaker 7: order to basically scan all the flock cameras and be
Speaker 7: able to pinpoint either where it is or see the
Speaker 7: route that it actually took. And so you know, from
Speaker 7: from that standpoint, you can see the immediate benefit to
Speaker 7: law enforcement on you know, a quick quicker turnaround time
Speaker 7: on tracking somebody down, being able to actually investigate see
Speaker 7: where somebody actually went and all that. On the flip side,
Speaker 7: you start dealing with your right to peaceably assembly, You
Speaker 7: start dealing with your privacy rights and freedom of movement
Speaker 7: and all of that, where you could really see the
Speaker 7: potential harm and abuse of these flot cameras, and I
Speaker 7: always use the example. Imagine, if you know, because I
Speaker 7: live out here in California where we had the crazy
Speaker 7: lockdowns with Undergavin Newsom, if Gavin Newsom had the ability
Speaker 7: of using these flot cameras during COVID where you know,
Speaker 7: they would have been able to know immediately who was going,
Speaker 7: where were you, you know, because there was a period
Speaker 7: of time where you weren't even allowed to go out
Speaker 7: on the freeway after a certain after a certain time
Speaker 7: at night unless you were specifically going somewhere that was approved.
Speaker 7: Like imagine, if you had the Flot cameras, they would
Speaker 7: know exactly where you went. That would deal with the
Speaker 7: contact tracing, It would deal with our you breaking the lawn,
Speaker 7: going to church on Sunday. They would know who went where,
Speaker 7: who was associated with who. It would have been just
Speaker 7: mass tyranny and far worse than we even experienced.
Speaker 3: Jeff Dornick is our special guest the Jeff Dornick Show.
Speaker 3: He's speaking with you and the whole nation and around
Speaker 3: the world on a subject that I feel is very
Speaker 3: important to this audience. The question, of course, where do
Speaker 3: we draw the line or you, legies and gentlemen, we
Speaker 3: mean public safety and government surveillance and what you've just said, Jeff,
Speaker 3: is very interesting. It should trip off a nerve in
Speaker 3: the body to say, wow, enough is enough. But let
Speaker 3: let us talk about this subject from both sides of
Speaker 3: the equation, the science and mystery of surveillance in our
Speaker 3: world to day. Yes, you can get in on the
Speaker 3: conversation in the theater of the mind one eight hundred
Speaker 3: eight four eight nine two two two to feel what
Speaker 3: everybody out there feels should be and with controls as
Speaker 3: many people want, ork the complete abolition of these type
Speaker 3: of cameras. I find it fascinating. Just a little side
Speaker 3: story for you and the audience. They may not know this.
Speaker 3: Many many years ago, over fifteen I represented a company
Speaker 3: and I'm honest that was in the video surveillance world
Speaker 3: for in custody chain of custody law enforcement, in other words,
Speaker 3: in the patrol car, they had a data recorder that
Speaker 3: went into the area where the radio was. For those
Speaker 3: of you that are fans of the Ford police vehicles
Speaker 3: of days gone by, this was known as the P
Speaker 3: seventy one platform from Ford, simply known as a police car.
Speaker 3: And in that particular case, Jeff, and to everybody listening,
Speaker 3: there was a video surveillance camera when an officer would
Speaker 3: do a traffic stop. They also had an audio type
Speaker 3: of device, well before the before these new Exxon cameras
Speaker 3: that are now out there. The problematic thing was one
Speaker 3: day and I was sitting in a meeting with entire staff,
Speaker 3: maybe one hundred people. Somebody came in Jeff with a
Speaker 3: presentation and I was kind of shocked. And this really
Speaker 3: got me to think. I had a question my own
Speaker 3: sanity in doing this. What was it? License plate reader cameras.
Speaker 3: The guy got up at the podium and said, we
Speaker 3: now have the technology to go through any shopping mall
Speaker 3: and scan every single license plate. We can find out
Speaker 3: who might have a warrant, who has unpaid traffic tickets.
Speaker 3: And it kind of bothered me. And again I'm not
Speaker 3: being melodramatic. It fits very well to what we're talking about, correct.
Speaker 7: Yeah, no, absolutely, you know, and and you know there's
Speaker 7: there's you know, there's schools that are contracting with the
Speaker 7: plot cameras, there's churches that are that are that are
Speaker 7: contracting with and there's h o ways in addition to
Speaker 7: the cities and the police and the police departments and
Speaker 7: all that and and again it's like when you when
Speaker 7: you when you think about it from a school security standpoint,
Speaker 7: if you have access to these blot cameras and you
Speaker 7: can identify license plates and you can identify cars and
Speaker 7: all that, you get the immediate benefit of that. And
Speaker 7: I would argue that that's probably a pretty good application
Speaker 7: of it to where if a kid goes missing, then
Speaker 7: you would immediately know, okay, well we know that the
Speaker 7: last place that that they got in with this vehicle,
Speaker 7: and then you can actually track the car down and
Speaker 7: all that. So on one hand, again you see the
Speaker 7: benefit of that, but also when you when you also
Speaker 7: think about it, like you explained, there is a vast
Speaker 7: invasion of privacy. And again we have to we have
Speaker 7: to preface this by saying that in general, you could
Speaker 7: argue this technology is going to be used for good.
Speaker 7: You got to you know, hunt down the bad guys,
Speaker 7: who's got who's going to warrant out, But there's also
Speaker 7: been instances where blot cameras have been used and abuse,
Speaker 7: and you can also see the potential for a much
Speaker 7: more tyrannical application of it. You know, just think about
Speaker 7: what's happening in China with are a social credit scores.
Speaker 7: You saw what happened with the with the COVID lockdowns
Speaker 7: and all the security they were doing over there in China,
Speaker 7: like you know, the Chinese that infiltrated a lot of
Speaker 7: different aspects of the United States government, of our society
Speaker 7: out here. So when you think about it, the technology
Speaker 7: is in place for that kind of a surveillance state
Speaker 7: that we have to be very cautious about that. We don't,
Speaker 7: you know, fast track it to that point.
Speaker 3: You know, it's interesting. I'm not a biblical scholar by
Speaker 3: any means, and I'm sure you can help us as
Speaker 3: we navigate through time and space here. But if you
Speaker 3: look at flock, I've done a little research in the Bible,
Speaker 3: and there's so many chapters in the Bible in which
Speaker 3: flock is defined, and it comes down to this, and
Speaker 3: this was a summation human helplessness, naivete dependence in large
Speaker 3: crowds or groups. So I got to ask you this,
Speaker 3: what does in your opinion the flock term? Is it
Speaker 3: named after an individual or what's the namesake behind the
Speaker 3: name plock? Does it have any significant meaning other than
Speaker 3: the way it sounds.
Speaker 7: Yeah, well, I think that it's It's really interesting because
Speaker 7: because it depends on how on how conspiratorial, uh people
Speaker 7: want to get on that one. But it's interesting because
Speaker 7: because because the very very obviously the very definition of
Speaker 7: it is is that group mentality of I think I
Speaker 7: think really what they were trying to convey was this
Speaker 7: idea that we've got these this group of cameras, you know,
Speaker 7: all tied together with with artificial intelligence to where you know,
Speaker 7: they're all working in conjunction with each other, just like
Speaker 7: a flock of birds or what or whatever it is.
Speaker 7: I think that the you know, when when you start
Speaker 7: getting into more of the of the conspiratorial standpoint, you know,
Speaker 7: like you know, it reminds me of you know, the
Speaker 7: you know, when you start dealing with the demonic entities
Speaker 7: that you that you know, Jesus would confront or the
Speaker 7: Apostles would confront, and you know, whether whether it was
Speaker 7: like Legion and there was these hosts of of demonic
Speaker 7: entities and beings and yeah, I don't want to convey
Speaker 7: this idea that this is for sure like a demonic
Speaker 7: type of thing, but exactly reminiscent, it's very it's very
Speaker 7: reminiscent of that. And what's really. The other really interesting
Speaker 7: thing is is that I've been diving a lot more
Speaker 7: into the worldview behind you know, Silicon Valley and technology,
Speaker 7: and there's a lot of that kind of symbolism hidden
Speaker 7: within a lot of the names and a lot of
Speaker 7: the logos amongst a lot of the Silicon Valley you know,
Speaker 7: tech companies, and and it's been interesting because there's been
Speaker 7: a lot of articles. And actually talked to a reporter
Speaker 7: for Rolling Stone several months ago about this about the
Speaker 7: story which was that, you know, they were saying that
Speaker 7: there's a Christian revival happening within Silicon Valley. But the
Speaker 7: more that I researched it, the more that I looked
Speaker 7: into it, it wasn't as much of a Christian revival
Speaker 7: as a Gnostic revival. So they were actually believing in
Speaker 7: the Gnostic Gospels, which are contradictory to what we find
Speaker 7: in the whole in the Holy Scriptures. And so, you know,
Speaker 7: it's it's really interesting because when when you look at
Speaker 7: the world view behind the Gnostic Gospels, it very much
Speaker 7: is in line with Silicon Valley, which is the search
Speaker 7: for hidden knowledge and and you discovering all of these things,
Speaker 7: So it fits in with that kind of mentality, If
Speaker 7: that makes sense, well.
Speaker 3: Nor to Jeff and I, ladies and gentlemen, obviously not
Speaker 3: just saying that for safety reasons, wanted to disparage any
Speaker 3: company out there. I don't know the people that clock safety.
Speaker 3: All we want to do, and we're certainly not apologizing
Speaker 3: for this, is to bring out a conversation what I
Speaker 3: think is even bigger than any company, right Jeff, about
Speaker 3: what's happening if you look at the whole collective in
Speaker 3: the entire world, where is this planet and particularly since
Speaker 3: we're talking here with mostly from America and Canada, North America,
Speaker 3: precisely what's going to happen to us if we just
Speaker 3: are asleep at the wheel or asleep at the switch.
Speaker 3: Very interesting conversation here. But help us out on this.
Speaker 3: Is there any way without putting you in a bad position.
Speaker 3: How do people actually find out where the flock cameras
Speaker 3: are in their neighborhood? Is this publicly identified as it
Speaker 3: continues to grow? I mean, how do people even know
Speaker 3: where they are? Help us on that?
Speaker 7: Yeah, well, yeah, there's different resources and different tracking websites
Speaker 7: that are out there. I don't I don't have the
Speaker 7: direct u r ls off the top of my head,
Speaker 7: I can pull I can pull them up here here
Speaker 7: in a little bit. But I do know that there's different,
Speaker 7: that there's different, there's different sites that are out there
Speaker 7: that that are very easy to find, that that will
Speaker 7: actually let you know where flock cameras are in and
Speaker 7: in which cities are contracting with with the flock cameras
Speaker 7: as well, and the same The thing that I always, uh,
Speaker 7: you know, encourage people is to take a look at
Speaker 7: your local city and in local local county and see
Speaker 7: if if your local police department or city has actually
Speaker 7: you know, contracted with them, and then go around and
Speaker 7: and see do you feel safer or do you feel
Speaker 7: like this is kind of like an invasion of privacy?
Speaker 7: Do you do you feel like you're always being watched?
Speaker 7: And then what you should do is you should actually
Speaker 7: go speak to your city council because they're more than
Speaker 7: likely the ones that approved the contract or you know,
Speaker 7: went along with it, and then actually share your concerns
Speaker 7: with them. And you know, the reality of it is
Speaker 7: is that it doesn't take that many people to share
Speaker 7: their concerns about these things before they realize like, Okay,
Speaker 7: this represents a larger group of people. Maybe we need
Speaker 7: to take this a little bit more seriously and then
Speaker 7: maybe your concerns can be heard about it.
Speaker 3: Jeff, people are coming into our theater of the mind,
Speaker 3: as we like to say it, because we're not watching
Speaker 3: this on video, and people are coming in right now
Speaker 3: four eight nine to two two expressing their concerns. And
Speaker 3: to start off our conversation, we welcome online too, Matt
Speaker 3: in the Bronx. You're on with Jeff Dornick. Thank you
Speaker 3: for coming into our theater of the mind. How are you, yes,
Speaker 3: good morning.
Speaker 8: Well. With regard to government surveillance, you mentioned China and
Speaker 8: the social credit system that's been enabled by five G
Speaker 8: technology and companies like Huawei. But in the United States, unfortunately,
Speaker 8: there's a very sordid history of illegal government surveillance and
Speaker 8: harassment by law enforcement agencies dating well well before the
Speaker 8: civil rights era. If you remember, the FBI had cointelpro
Speaker 8: where it was actually actively following in entrapping civil rights activists,
Speaker 8: people on the left, various other figures across the political spectrum.
Speaker 8: And again, ninety percent of the people that were being
Speaker 8: targeted were not criminals. That's been very important to remember.
Speaker 8: These are people at his Yeah, these are simply people
Speaker 8: that had political views though outside the mainstream. But again,
Speaker 8: you know, they were not involved in criminal activity. They
Speaker 8: were targeted specifically because of their political police, which is
Speaker 8: perfectly protected activity under the First Amendment. But you know,
Speaker 8: again their Fourth Amendment rights were completely violated by the
Speaker 8: FBI and other intelligence and police agencies in the country.
Speaker 8: And as every reason to believe that these things are
Speaker 8: still going on with regard to political targets of government
Speaker 8: surveillance and illegal government harassment campaigns by law enforcement agencies.
Speaker 8: Had that you had an example in the January sixth defendants.
Speaker 8: You know, again a post release after prison. In many
Speaker 8: cases they you know, they reported that you know, they've
Speaker 8: been targeted for harassment, being followed by police, have the
Speaker 8: lines tapped. So you know, again you know this this
Speaker 8: is a very much a very active uh uh problem.
Speaker 3: That Yeah, I want to jump in with our guests
Speaker 3: here and obviously have him have an opportunity. You bring
Speaker 3: up some very interesting points. So the pod thing I
Speaker 3: get from your conversation, and it's very much appreciated. Surveillance
Speaker 3: ain't something new. It's been going on, right or wrong
Speaker 3: for such a long time, but that's obvious. Jeff Darnick,
Speaker 3: your response to what Matt's talking about. He gave us
Speaker 3: some very interesting insight.
Speaker 7: Yeah, well, you know, he brings up a lot a
Speaker 7: lot of phenomenal points and it's and it's all very real, obviously.
Speaker 7: And I think that the problem that we're dealing with
Speaker 7: today with you know, technology like the flot cameras and
Speaker 7: artificial intelligence, and there's a lot of other technologies that
Speaker 7: are being implemented specifically for surveillance, is that it's making
Speaker 7: it so much easier, more difficult to trace, but also
Speaker 7: more difficult to hold somebody accountable. And this this is
Speaker 7: the thing that that I that I always bring up,
Speaker 7: and this is always my concern and I've talked to people,
Speaker 7: you know, close to the administration about about some of
Speaker 7: these concerns. And it's really interesting because when you think
Speaker 7: about the Trump administration right now is fast tracking artificial intelligence.
Speaker 7: They're centralizing a lot of the databases across across the
Speaker 7: different agencies. And what's interesting is you could make the
Speaker 7: arguments that that this, you know, is for efficiency, and
Speaker 7: you can see the benefit of you know, centralizing it,
Speaker 7: but it's also setting it up for two very serious problems.
Speaker 7: Is that you know, by having one centralized database, you're
Speaker 7: opening yourself up to more information if somebody was able
Speaker 7: to hack it. So that's that's concerned number one. But
Speaker 7: then concern number two is how much information, how and
Speaker 7: how much power, how much power that artificial intelligence can have,
Speaker 7: whether it's over surveillance, whether it's over biometric data, whether
Speaker 7: whether it's in regards to personal profiles. And you could
Speaker 7: make the argument that the administration that they're not going
Speaker 7: to use it, they're not going to have used it,
Speaker 7: if you know, depending on which side of the aisle
Speaker 7: you find yourself on. But let's say, but let's say
Speaker 7: the other side takes power, then all of a sudden,
Speaker 7: it only takes one bad apple and one bad actor
Speaker 7: or one you know, leader that makes the decision of
Speaker 7: the surveillance state. And now we have the infrastructure in
Speaker 7: place to take everything that that the caller was talking
Speaker 7: about in regards to surveillance and then putting it one
Speaker 7: hundredfold more powerful with the power of artificial intelligence, because
Speaker 7: we've built out this infrastructure right now. And you know,
Speaker 7: and the question is is that if AI, you know,
Speaker 7: violates your rights or any of these technologies violates your rights,
Speaker 7: Who do you hold accountable because it was a robot,
Speaker 7: It was an AI that actually committed it, not a
Speaker 7: human being. And I think that those are the checks
Speaker 7: and balances that our founding fathers put in there, is
Speaker 7: that there is always accountability if somebody violates your rights,
Speaker 7: But if it's a robot, you can't. You're not going
Speaker 7: to throw an AI in prison. So what do you do?
Speaker 3: It's getting very complicated, but I want to thank Matt
Speaker 3: and Lebrons bringing some insightful commentary just what we like
Speaker 3: here and what we call the theater of the mind
Speaker 3: where people talking what I consider common sense, obviously dialogue
Speaker 3: and important. Don't you think, Jeff, that critical thinking I
Speaker 3: think should simply be taught more in schools and maybe
Speaker 3: even in the adult schools, because again I'm no expert
Speaker 3: on anything, and certainly not a perfect species as a human,
Speaker 3: but critical thinking is so much that I think is
Speaker 3: in dire need. And what would you say about the
Speaker 3: whole concept of the need for critical thinking?
Speaker 7: Tell us, well, I think I think it's extremely extremely important,
Speaker 7: and I think that the problem that we're dealing with
Speaker 7: now in this new era of artificial intelligence is that
Speaker 7: will taking away the children, children's ability to actually critically
Speaker 7: think because of how information is so readily available. And
Speaker 7: it's really interesting because you know, I am a parent
Speaker 7: have a four year old kid, and and what what
Speaker 7: we really try to do is not give him screen time,
Speaker 7: don't let him watch tele he doesn't have access to
Speaker 7: an iPad or you know, anything along those lines. And
Speaker 7: a lot of it, and a lot of it is
Speaker 7: because so if you sit down and you read a
Speaker 7: book to a kid, right, you read a story to them.
Speaker 7: So there might be pictures on the page, and you're
Speaker 7: telling them the story, but they have to imagine what
Speaker 7: those characters are doing. They have to act it out
Speaker 7: in their mind. If you're reading what a character is saying,
Speaker 7: they're having to imagine what does that character sound like?
Speaker 7: They imagine what are the sense what are the smells,
Speaker 7: what are the feelings? Their brain is going to critical
Speaker 7: thinking and analyzing and filling in the gaps of the
Speaker 7: words that you're speaking us as the story. That is
Speaker 7: all developing their critical thinking. But if you stick a
Speaker 7: kid in front of a television and have them watch
Speaker 7: a movie, you see them race, just veg out, and
Speaker 7: because what the movie is doing is taking away that
Speaker 7: critical thinking and instead it's feeding you all those senses
Speaker 7: and do. All you have to do is just sit
Speaker 7: there and absorb. That's the exact same thing that's happening
Speaker 7: to all of us right now with artificial intelligence, is
Speaker 7: that people no longer have to sit there and process
Speaker 7: and think. They no longer have to remember where they
Speaker 7: are in the city to drive because they've got the maps.
Speaker 7: They tell you exactly where you're supposed to go, and
Speaker 7: they give you the instruction, so your brain is on autopilot.
Speaker 7: The same thing is now happening when it comes to
Speaker 7: critical thinking. When people do research, what do they do?
Speaker 7: They just ask chat GPT exactly CHATCHPT gives them the answer.
Speaker 9: They know a lot of kids, you think.
Speaker 3: Right, A lot of kids do their term papers or
Speaker 3: what have you. Teachers are somewhat smart about that, but
Speaker 3: the AI initiative makes it even more difficult. Jeff, it's
Speaker 3: amazing the Jeff Dornick Show. He's our guest for the
Speaker 3: two hours talking that we've only gotten warmed up here, folks.
Speaker 3: So if you're on the line, like Greg and Michigan,
Speaker 3: Joaquin in Pennsylvania, we will get to you and for
Speaker 3: everybody else. There's plenty of seats in what we call
Speaker 3: our theater of the mind discussing a topic. The question
Speaker 3: we throw out there, and we don't throw it, but
Speaker 3: we send it out in the powerful signal of talk
Speaker 3: radio seventy seven WABC. Where do we draw the line
Speaker 3: between public safety and government surveillance? One of the many
Speaker 3: topics that we're talking about here, we're talking about the
Speaker 3: flock cameras flock safety, not to disparage the company at all,
Speaker 3: just to give us education. And it is separate very quickly, Jeff,
Speaker 3: from the regular photo quote radar type surveillance where people
Speaker 3: get a ticket. This is something very different, correct, exactly right.
Speaker 7: Right, It's very different, I think because you're incorporating the
Speaker 7: AI component to it, and you know, it's one thing
Speaker 7: to okay, you're driving by, maybe you're going too fast,
Speaker 7: you want a red light and there's a trigger, it
Speaker 7: takes a picture. Then basically that's going to then go
Speaker 7: in be analyzer. They're going to see what the license
Speaker 7: plate is, They look up the license plate and then
Speaker 7: they send you your ticket. That's a very different that's
Speaker 7: a very different thing than a police officer able to
Speaker 7: basically just type into a computer I'm looking for this
Speaker 7: kind of a car, and then you can immediately track
Speaker 7: it down and see the exact path that it took
Speaker 7: throughout the city. That's a very different form of surveillance.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Time and Space Rules, as you know, is a
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Speaker 3: theater of the Mind. At one eight hundred eight four
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Speaker 3: Thirty four minutes after the hour, we return to our
Speaker 3: normal themes of what goes on in the mysteries of
Speaker 3: the universe on our Saturday Sunday morning program. But now
Speaker 3: We're speaking with Jeff Dornick The Jeff Dornick Show, speaking
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Speaker 3: that I'm sure many people have out there, where do
Speaker 3: we draw the line between public safety and government surveillance.
Speaker 3: He's with us to the entire two hours. We continue
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Speaker 3: coming into the theater of the mind. Let's say, good
Speaker 3: morning on line one to Greg in Michigan. Greg, you're
Speaker 3: on with Jeff Dornic.
Speaker 11: How you doing good evening, gentlemen, mister positive boom shaka Laca.
Speaker 11: I gotta tell you, doctor Sky, that was a fantastic intro.
Speaker 11: Oh my god, I love it. You've got quite a
Speaker 11: few conundrums here. You talk about critical thinking. Critical thinking,
Speaker 11: I believe is predicated upon the amount of knowledge that
Speaker 11: you have. Two common sense is something that most should
Speaker 11: not want because when you solve us a problem, how
Speaker 11: would Einstein solve a problem as opposed to someone with
Speaker 11: one hundred IQ. See, that's a conundrum that I've wrestled
Speaker 11: with with a lot of people. A lot of people
Speaker 11: say you don't have any common sense, and I like
Speaker 11: to turn to them and go, yes, I'm glad that
Speaker 11: I don't.
Speaker 3: Well, Greg, it might have been interesting with Einstein that
Speaker 3: it might have been the same kind of a maybe
Speaker 3: overuse in the same parallel lines. Critical thinking to him
Speaker 3: might have been thought experiments. And that's a subject that's
Speaker 3: extremely like that. We don't know how people do thought experiments,
Speaker 3: at least I don't do them in my spare time.
Speaker 3: But in relating to what we're talking about, do you
Speaker 3: have a question or comment to our guest, because I
Speaker 3: just definitely and I think you have brought up something
Speaker 3: about critical thinking. Anything else would like to say, I'd
Speaker 3: like to get Jeff involved.
Speaker 11: A right, Jeff, is a right God given? Or is
Speaker 11: it socio political construct?
Speaker 7: So so I would agree with the founding fathers that
Speaker 7: that right, that rights are God given and uh and
Speaker 7: and it's interesting because the whole that's that's really the
Speaker 7: premise of this entire you know, country, this American experiment,
Speaker 7: is this idea that every single person, man, woman, and
Speaker 7: child has created the image of God and have certain
Speaker 7: inalienable rights that are God given that cannot be taken
Speaker 7: away by the by the government, and that the government
Speaker 7: doesn't give us the rights, but the government, but the government,
Speaker 7: you know, defends the rights and acknowledges the rights, and
Speaker 7: I think that that's that's you know, without that premise,
Speaker 7: then our rights don't actually mean anything because it's all
Speaker 7: a social construct that could easily be taken away by
Speaker 7: by the government. But if they but if it doesn't
Speaker 7: come from the government, it comes from God, then they
Speaker 7: are truly in fact inalienable.
Speaker 3: You got an opportunity, Greg for a final comment.
Speaker 11: Is it the Christian God that you're talking about or
Speaker 11: is it the five thousand other gods that you're talking about?
Speaker 11: Which rights are to us by which God? Right?
Speaker 7: Well, you know, and and that's and that's the thing.
Speaker 7: So the the idea of what the founding fathers believed
Speaker 7: was in the one, the one supreme God, and that
Speaker 7: they believed, you know, what was coming out of out
Speaker 7: of the Bible, and that's where that's where that's where
Speaker 7: the rights flowed out from. That's also where where it
Speaker 7: was it was inspired from. But that but that's also
Speaker 7: you know that that's changed and morphed over over the years.
Speaker 7: When when it comes to the seculars of our society,
Speaker 7: especially when you're dealing with like freedom of religion, I
Speaker 7: would say that our rights are rooted in a Christian
Speaker 7: belief system, but that doesn't necessarily mean that our current
Speaker 7: application today obviously reflects that.
Speaker 3: Thank you Greg and Michigan. Always insightful commentary as we
Speaker 3: spark our minds in the theater of the mind. Patiently
Speaker 3: waiting on line three, Joaquin in Pennsylvania. You're on, But
Speaker 3: Jeff Dornett, how are you doing.
Speaker 12: Good evening, doctor Scott, Good evening, Jeff. I'm sorry, I'm
Speaker 12: chuckling a little bit at the last caller. And the
Speaker 12: only comment I'm going to make to that what he
Speaker 12: was saying is the only rights that you actually have
Speaker 12: are the ones that you can defend by force. If
Speaker 12: you cannot defend them by force, unfortunately someone else will
Speaker 12: take them away. From the history of the world is
Speaker 12: those who conquered and those who are conquered. And I
Speaker 12: actually off topic. I do want to make one comment
Speaker 12: about you know, the moon and space but controls the
Speaker 12: high ground, controls the battlefield.
Speaker 3: Absolutely right. That's why Space Force President Donald John Trump
Speaker 3: of course initiating something quite unusual, the Space Force as
Speaker 3: we go to the higher ground. You're so right, Joaquin,
Speaker 3: And also what you're talking about about you have to
Speaker 3: defend this particular subject that you're talking about, or if
Speaker 3: you don't know what rights you have, many smarter people
Speaker 3: than me have said, you'll never know what rights you lose.
Speaker 3: That's interesting what Joaquin is saying, Jeff, because later I'd
Speaker 3: like to get into a conversation with you. And this
Speaker 3: is interesting. It's not a Civics one oh one class
Speaker 3: ladies and gentlemen, but there is a distinct difference between
Speaker 3: freedom and liberty. And I think if what Joaquin and Jeff,
Speaker 3: if more people understood the difference, we won't go through
Speaker 3: it right now. But Jeff, your response to what Joaquin's
Speaker 3: talking about, Yeah.
Speaker 7: Well, you know, it's interesting, you know, even even thinking
Speaker 7: about like what's going on with with space force and
Speaker 7: the moon and like all that. It's interesting how now
Speaker 7: we're heading back into obviously back into exploration. It's interesting
Speaker 7: that the Trump administration, you know, has made such a
Speaker 7: big deal out of that, and then you hear guys
Speaker 7: like Elon Musk to tie it back into artificial intelligence,
Speaker 7: where he's actually predicting probably within the next decade or so,
Speaker 7: that instead of the A the AI data centers being
Speaker 7: scattered around the country, that He's like, the best place
Speaker 7: would be would be to stick it on the back
Speaker 7: side of the moon for you know, cooling purposes for
Speaker 7: you know, all of that. And they just set up
Speaker 7: set up the data centers all the way up there.
Speaker 7: So it's it's interesting, how you know, we're we're now
Speaker 7: looking into you know, a lot more you know, like
Speaker 7: outer space type solutions to a lot of the issues
Speaker 7: that we're facing today.
Speaker 3: Very interesting. Well, can't always insightful. Appreciate you being part
Speaker 3: of our program line too. Let's go to Georgie. I
Speaker 3: believe in New Jersey. You've been patient. Good morning, you're
Speaker 3: on with Jeff Darnick.
Speaker 9: How you doing, Hi, doctors Sky, This is jo Joey Joji.
Speaker 3: I'm so sorry. I'm reading off the screen here.
Speaker 13: And I know they say, no problem.
Speaker 14: I have a question for Jeff. But it was a
Speaker 14: recent there was a recent audicle on FLOT safety concerning
Speaker 14: five police officers that were abusing license plate readers and
Speaker 14: we're not using it the way it's supposed to be used.
Speaker 14: And I wanted to find out what's the difference between
Speaker 14: FLOT safety and acts on corporations license plate readers?
Speaker 7: Do you know that?
Speaker 3: Interesting?
Speaker 7: Yeah, I don't know. I don't know specifically. I do
Speaker 7: know talking about the the abuse that we've seen, you know,
Speaker 7: I know that there's been multiple reports of of a
Speaker 7: of a wide variety of abuses like there there there
Speaker 7: was one there was one police officer that was actually
Speaker 7: looking up as an ex girlfriends or ex wife's, you know,
Speaker 7: license plate and seeing where she's going and things along
Speaker 7: those lines. So I know in this this I think
Speaker 7: is the thing that we're that we're really going to
Speaker 7: have to, you know, consider as we introduce more technologies
Speaker 7: like this, are what what are going to be the
Speaker 7: safeguards that are going to be put in place in
Speaker 7: order to ensure that that they aren't able to be abused,
Speaker 7: or if they are being abused, that we're able to
Speaker 7: track and make sure that we that we documented and
Speaker 7: know exactly who's doing what, when and where. So there's
Speaker 7: definitely some safeguard that we're definitely going to have to
Speaker 7: start figuring out how to put into place. But I
Speaker 7: think the hard part with all of this is that
Speaker 7: the technology is advancing so quickly that I don't think
Speaker 7: that we're necessarily thinking through a lot of those safeguards
Speaker 7: at the same rate. That we're thinking about the development
Speaker 7: of it.
Speaker 3: You're right. And to add some incident to the story
Speaker 3: that we're talking about. I'm just reading this a Kansas
Speaker 3: police chief who used flock safety license plateed readers to
Speaker 3: track his ex girlfriend and her new boyfriend's vehicle two
Speaker 3: hundred and twenty eight times over more than four months,
Speaker 3: and used his police vehicle to follow them in Bones Springs, Kansas.
Speaker 3: The detective used flock license plate readers to stalk his
Speaker 3: wife without going through a long litany of individuals, again
Speaker 3: not naming them by name. It's amazing how any of
Speaker 3: these technologies can get out of hand. And that is
Speaker 3: the main reason that we have you here, Jeff, talking
Speaker 3: about is the main opening act here. The big question
Speaker 3: is about this abuse that could happen with technology. Where
Speaker 3: do we draw the line between public safety and government surveillance.
Speaker 3: And out here in Arizona where I'm broadcasting from, there
Speaker 3: is a tremendous and I'm sure you know so much
Speaker 3: more about it, growth industry, not only for the photo cameras,
Speaker 3: for the speeding incidents where they mail you something, and
Speaker 3: also these flock cameras that are out there. I mean,
Speaker 3: in quick summation. There's obviously some good use for those cameras,
Speaker 3: I'm sure. But when we come back, we've got a
Speaker 3: few minutes before this next break, I'd like to get
Speaker 3: into a definitive study and then after I read something
Speaker 3: I don't like to really read to the audience, But
Speaker 3: with your expertise, I think we need to go through
Speaker 3: the whole line here of the difference between freedom and liberty,
Speaker 3: because if people don't understand that, how can you be
Speaker 3: a fighter in this whole purpose. So that's a very
Speaker 3: interesting story, and let's not forget ladies and gentlemen. This
Speaker 3: is not the only subject that Jeff is going to
Speaker 3: bring to us. The whole concept of AI data centers.
Speaker 3: I mean, that's incredible, Jeff. All these data centers out
Speaker 3: there are being built, massive use of water, massive use
Speaker 3: of electricity, and I think Elon does have it right,
Speaker 3: wouldn't you say, insummation? Building these and putting them out
Speaker 3: and outer space might necessarily be the answer instead of depleting.
Speaker 3: But then again the problem is why do we need
Speaker 3: all these data centers? And with that in mind, we're
Speaker 3: going to take our next break. We see the calls
Speaker 3: coming in line four, we see Alexi and Queens. We
Speaker 3: see Anthony and Long Island on line three, and ladies
Speaker 3: and gentlemen, there's still room in the theater with the
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Speaker 3: The founding fathers never said safer at any cost, but
Speaker 3: liberty at all costs many people's estimation, and I'm sure
Speaker 3: our special guests Jeff Dornick would agree. Constitutional safeguards and
Speaker 3: the Constitution needs to restraint that is technology. Forty eight
Speaker 3: minutes after the hour, we continue as we moved to
Speaker 3: the top and finish in completion of our one. Let's
Speaker 3: go to line number four. Alexian queens, you've been patient.
Speaker 3: You're on with Jeff Dornick. How are you doing, sir?
Speaker 13: Yes, goodies and gentlemen, and mister dorne could eating feel
Speaker 13: apropos to this? People say, oh, I have rights, I
Speaker 13: have protections in the law. Yeah, you have to build
Speaker 13: a rights constitution at state law and so on so
Speaker 13: on in absolute reality, which is just simply inc applied
Speaker 13: to paper because of the fact that, indeed, with the
Speaker 13: inception of AI, those rights are basically deteriorating. And remember
Speaker 13: one thing about AI. Do you think someone is going
Speaker 13: to spend five billion dollars to build an AI center
Speaker 13: and not realize one to realize a profit three times
Speaker 13: as much in future? Sure they want they want to.
Speaker 13: They take any simple basic conversation with AI, be it
Speaker 13: true Alexa in your home or something in your car
Speaker 13: or at the computer terminal, all your speech, the rate
Speaker 13: of speed of speech. It's a vocabulary and all this.
Speaker 13: These are salable commodities. AI assemblances in various forms and
Speaker 13: it is presented to a buyer for some reason. This
Speaker 13: is a money making operation which is severing most of
Speaker 13: the commonly perceived right to people. The worst the worst
Speaker 13: of it is It's Supreme Court exists that people have
Speaker 13: we have a right of privacy, yet we lose that
Speaker 13: right completely and they've asserted this in public places. But
Speaker 13: I ask you, gentlemen, what constitutes a public place? Nobody
Speaker 13: pays clear on that, and you understand where I'm going
Speaker 13: with it.
Speaker 3: Right, and people do have We see a lot of
Speaker 3: First Amendment people out there with video cameras, you know,
Speaker 3: exercising what they claim is a public space where they
Speaker 3: can videotape, and a lot of there's so many videos
Speaker 3: on the web. But Jeff, Alexi brings up some interesting things.
Speaker 3: And I want to set the stage. Alex, if you
Speaker 3: don't mind mentioning you come from an unidentified communist country,
Speaker 3: you don't have to tell us. And I appreciate your
Speaker 3: stories because you do. You talk about the need for freedom.
Speaker 3: You've done just that, Jeff. Your response, I mean, Alexi
Speaker 3: brings up some points that we're going to get into
Speaker 3: in deeper context.
Speaker 7: Right well, you know, they're they're all they're all great points.
Speaker 7: And I think that when I would take this step
Speaker 7: further in that I would agree that right now, what's
Speaker 7: what's behind a lot of the development of artificial intelligence
Speaker 7: is is money, and they're selling out, they're selling a
Speaker 7: lot of data, they're they're set, they're getting government contracts
Speaker 7: or doing all these kinds of things. But ultimately, when
Speaker 7: you listen to guys like like Elon Musk and Bill
Speaker 7: Gates and Sam Altman and a lot of the a
Speaker 7: lot of the guys that are behind uh this technology,
Speaker 7: what they're predicting for the future has very little to
Speaker 7: nothing to do with money, because what they're actually predicting
Speaker 7: is that there may not even be money at all,
Speaker 7: because there'll be no more need for that. What they're
Speaker 7: actually pitching and Elon talked about this on his last
Speaker 7: appearance on Joe Rogan podcast, was the idea that that
Speaker 7: the end game of artificial and intelligence and you know
Speaker 7: and robots like his Optimist robots and things along those lines,
Speaker 7: the in game is a communist utopia of sorts where
Speaker 7: we don't have to work, we're all equal AI and
Speaker 7: robots will Basically you know, the function is doing being
Speaker 7: all the labor force do everything. Human beings do not work.
Speaker 7: We either have a universal basic income of sorts or
Speaker 7: we will or we will you know, basically, just have
Speaker 7: access to anything and everything that we need because they
Speaker 7: claim that there'll be a surplus of resources. But the
Speaker 7: question then becomes who's in charge. It's going to be
Speaker 7: the people behind the AI and the optimum and the
Speaker 7: and the robots in general, not even just optimism, but
Speaker 7: just in general, the well.
Speaker 3: I don't want a universal basic income where what, as
Speaker 3: you say eloquently, dividends and payouts from tech companies. They're
Speaker 3: not my boss, right and they're not yours, And we
Speaker 3: don't want that to be. I mean, what would we
Speaker 3: do all day? We just sit there and languish. You know,
Speaker 3: you'll you'll be happy. You'll own nothing and you'll be happy.
Speaker 3: I think it was a claud Schwab comment a long
Speaker 3: time ago, so obviously people need to pay attention. LEXI
Speaker 3: thank you always for insightful commentary on the theater with
Speaker 3: the Mind. But briefly, my own interpretation of this, and
Speaker 3: it's so it's mine, is so limited because it's such
Speaker 3: an expansive term. Liberty, individual rights and limitations of government
Speaker 3: if you lose your liberty, but freedom it's more like
Speaker 3: the self determination and happiness and your own interests. But
Speaker 3: I've just scratched the surface before the hour runs out.
Speaker 3: Give us your definition of both freedom and liberty, because
Speaker 3: if people don't know the difference, you're going to become
Speaker 3: an enslavement tool in this horrible, you know, dystopian world
Speaker 3: that seems to be promulgated every single day. God bless us,
Speaker 3: all right.
Speaker 7: Jeff, Yeah, you know, it's it's interesting dealing with the
Speaker 7: difference between freedom and liberty, and you know, it can
Speaker 7: be nuance and a lot of crossover, but specifically it's
Speaker 7: like freedom, you know, I would I would say that
Speaker 7: it's it's a more broad, broader, you know definition where
Speaker 7: it's you know, the general idea of like you, you
Speaker 7: are free to do basically whatever you want, make whatever
Speaker 7: whatever you want, every decision you want to make without coercion.
Speaker 7: Liberty is often that freedom, but it's there is the
Speaker 7: freedom to make your own decisions and be individual and
Speaker 7: be sovereign. But also you can't violate the freedoms and
Speaker 7: the liberties of somebody else, So those limitations and guardrails
Speaker 7: are put in place where there's that mutual respect of
Speaker 7: each other's liberties as well.
Speaker 3: Very interesting and well said. Jeff Dornick is our guest.
Speaker 3: The Jeff Dornichoe, give us the website and I want
Speaker 3: to talk. We only have a few more minutes before
Speaker 3: top of hour. But your app that you have here pickax.
Speaker 3: This is interesting. We haven't spent enough time on what
Speaker 3: it really is. No algorithm and that's an interesting concept,
Speaker 3: but just tell us what it is in summation and
Speaker 3: how do people get into this because it's another place
Speaker 3: to share ideas without the restrictions that many do have.
Speaker 7: Yeah, so it's a social media platform very similar like
Speaker 7: what you would see with X and Facebook and all that.
Speaker 7: We've got some pretty cool features that are unique to
Speaker 7: us and all that. But for us, the real, the
Speaker 7: real goal and the real mission behind it is to
Speaker 7: finally have a social media that's actually social against So
Speaker 7: like when you're when you're on a lot of these
Speaker 7: other platforms that are algorithm driven, they're becoming very topic
Speaker 7: based and theme based, and so it you know, the
Speaker 7: kind of content that's showing up in your newspeed has
Speaker 7: very little to do with who you follow, but more
Speaker 7: to do with the types of types of you know,
Speaker 7: content that you would engage with or you're interested in.
Speaker 7: And you know, that's why when you're on Facebook, you
Speaker 7: want to see pictures of your grandma or your or
Speaker 7: your cousin or your grandkids or something like that. And
Speaker 7: half of the posts or you know, from people that
Speaker 7: you don't even follow. So what we're trying to do
Speaker 7: is actually, how do we actually connect people to people
Speaker 7: where we don't get in between you and somebody who
Speaker 7: follows you, or you and somebody that you follow. We
Speaker 7: respect that connection. We actually want to foster that human
Speaker 7: to human connection. So we we we've got to write
Speaker 7: a ways that we weed out bots, which is a
Speaker 7: major problem on social media platforms, and we've got a
Speaker 7: verification system to where you know that you're actually talking
Speaker 7: and do a real human being over there. So it's
Speaker 7: a very different experience and it ends up being a
Speaker 7: lot more positive because you're not dealing with all the
Speaker 7: you know, anonymous bots and bot farms they get in
Speaker 7: there and try to stir us all up, and then
Speaker 7: the algorithms that pit us against each other. You're actually
Speaker 7: talking to other human beings and it's actually a quite
Speaker 7: positive experience when you actually are talking to another human.
Speaker 3: How do people go there? I mean, just tell us
Speaker 3: so people, I'm sure by the droves may want to
Speaker 3: go there. And actually say, hey, I'm fed up with
Speaker 3: some of these other social media platforms. They're right to change.
Speaker 3: How do they get to you? What's the way?
Speaker 7: Definitely the best place, obviously is to download the app.
Speaker 7: You can either do that in the Google Play Store
Speaker 7: or in the iOS app store. For Apple it's Pickax
Speaker 7: p I C K A X, so there's no E.
Speaker 7: Or you guys can go over to Pickax dot com.
Speaker 7: We've got the web version that's very mobile friendly over
Speaker 7: there as well, But you can either do on the
Speaker 7: website or you can download the app in the app stores.
Speaker 3: It's very good. And before the hour is extinguished at
Speaker 3: hour number two, I want to say people like online three,
Speaker 3: like Anthony and Long Island, Mike on Line one in
Speaker 3: Pennsylvania and Robert Line two in Philadelphia, please stay with
Speaker 3: us until hour number two. We try our very best
Speaker 3: to get as many people on to share their ideas.
Speaker 3: But what I usually do, Jeff at this particular part,
Speaker 3: since the show was founded on what the great mysteries
Speaker 3: of the universe are, I wanted to bring into a
Speaker 3: perspective because we have many fans that tell us they
Speaker 3: like that part of the show, and that's this great
Speaker 3: events that are happening in our heavens right now. This
Speaker 3: is the week of one of the best meteor showers
Speaker 3: of the entire year, folks. And I say this with
Speaker 3: a little bit of a grain of salt, because every
Speaker 3: time I do this for so many years, people get
Speaker 3: angry and they send me emails saying, oh, you told
Speaker 3: us they'll be this big meteor thing. The Perseags are
Speaker 3: one of the best. They peak on the night of
Speaker 3: the twelfth into the thirteenth and into the morning from
Speaker 3: the night of the thirteenth into the fourteenth. Look in
Speaker 3: the northeastern part of the sky in a dark location.
Speaker 3: And we're lucky because what we have, Jeff, is a
Speaker 3: dark location because the moon is officially at its new phase.
Speaker 3: But lucky people on the other side of the Earth,
Speaker 3: and particularly in areas like southern Greenland little too cold
Speaker 3: for me, but the heat of Phoenix is obstrepperous areas
Speaker 3: of Iceland will get to see a total solar eclipse,
Speaker 3: and areas of Spain actually get to see about two
Speaker 3: minutes and ten seconds of one of nature's most amazing sights.
Speaker 3: So why am saying that the moon is officially new
Speaker 3: at one thirty seven pm Eastern day lifetime for the
Speaker 3: East coast, of course, where the moon is not visible
Speaker 3: as a requirement for seeing a total solar eclipse, so
Speaker 3: will not have another one of these until August two
Speaker 3: of twenty twenty seven, and that eclipse, by many is
Speaker 3: one of the longest total solar eclipses in maybe a
Speaker 3: few hundred years. And people in Egypt, in the area
Speaker 3: of luxor the Valley of the Gods, the great Egyptian cultures,
Speaker 3: pyramids and so many mysteries, will see what Jeff over
Speaker 3: six and a half minutes of totality, which may seem small,
Speaker 3: but it's one of the great gifts of the nature
Speaker 3: of the universe, seeing the day turn into darkness. It's
Speaker 3: actually started wars. They stop wars. But on a positive note,
Speaker 3: this week's a good week to see meteors in the
Speaker 3: sky and also for those lucky enough to travel to
Speaker 3: eclipses that I think is a lot. But Jeff, so
Speaker 3: we get back on track. What I'd like to continue
Speaker 3: with you on is flock cameras, your discussion from your
Speaker 3: website and from your app talking more about AI. This
Speaker 3: is something interesting and you can bring some revelations to
Speaker 3: the table. More with our special guest Jeff Dornick of
Speaker 3: The Just Donk Show. Here on the Doctor Sky Experience.
Speaker 3: We call it a theater of the mind. We'll be
Speaker 3: right back.
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Speaker 7: Training a large language model specifically geared towards you are
Speaker 7: an AI specifically towards you, but the language and the
Speaker 7: terms of service, you know, made it to where you know,
Speaker 7: they could flip that very very quickly and then just
Speaker 7: begin training artificial intelligence in general. You know. Another example
Speaker 7: of this would be Amazon is partnering with Twitch right
Speaker 7: now to be able to analyze in real time livestream
Speaker 7: you know content, video content, and then it would be
Speaker 7: training Amazon's you know, artificial intelligence is to be able
Speaker 7: to simulate you know, live streaming. They they say to
Speaker 7: help to enhance it, but really the end result of
Speaker 7: it really could be that you could legitimately have an
Speaker 7: AI generated quote unquote human that's live streaming that isn't
Speaker 7: actually a human. It's just a facade of an AI robot. So,
Speaker 7: you know, there's a lot of craziness that's that's going
Speaker 7: on out there in regards to the data collection and
Speaker 7: we haven't even touched the surface of all the different
Speaker 7: ways that they can monetize that.
Speaker 3: Thank you, Mike and Pennsylvania B bringing up some good ROI,
Speaker 3: how do you pay for this, who's going to get
Speaker 3: the money from it? And what are they doing if
Speaker 3: you're just joining us on the Doctor Sky Experience. Jeff
Speaker 3: Dornick The Jeff Dornick Show. He is, of course the
Speaker 3: host of that show and founder of the n CEO
Speaker 3: of Pickaxe, the groundbreaking and social media platform built on
Speaker 3: two uncompromising principles excuse me, freedom of speech and freedom
Speaker 3: of reach. Now we go on with the callers of
Speaker 3: the Theater of Mine. Robert. It's interesting to have you
Speaker 3: line number two, Robert and Philadelphia with Jeff H.
Speaker 11: Right.
Speaker 9: Hi, Doctor Skuy as always a great show and I
Speaker 9: really appreciate your guest, mister Dornick. Real quick. You had
Speaker 9: mentioned a difference between freedom and liberty, and I think
Speaker 9: freedom is more a sense of independence. For instance, we
Speaker 9: got our freedom from Great Britain. A liberty is your
Speaker 9: rights within that freedom framework. So the difference is I'm sorry,
Speaker 9: freedom is macro, liberty is micro. But the thrust of
Speaker 9: my call was a difference between two other words, one
Speaker 9: word being surveillance and the other word being controlled. Now
Speaker 9: I'm used to the fact that I live in an
Speaker 9: over surveilled society. Despite my libertarian leanings, I'm kind of
Speaker 9: okay with it because I think that it's a good
Speaker 9: prevention for crime to have general surveillance in public areas
Speaker 9: and things like that. They were actually able to to
Speaker 9: a video show man Joni going from his house to
Speaker 9: the Mercy that day through shatellite and cracker technology that
Speaker 9: we already have. I googled a picture. I googled my
Speaker 9: address on Google Earth, and it showed me a picture
Speaker 9: of me getting out of my car. And that's bringing
Speaker 9: me out. My point is we're already surveiled enough, and
Speaker 9: what they're doing now with these flock cameras sounds like
Speaker 9: control to me. The people who run Flock Safety are
Speaker 9: it's privately owned, private investors. They're not subject to Foyer requests.
Speaker 9: But we're going to be subject to the possible infringement
Speaker 9: of our rights because of this. So I'm asking what
Speaker 9: could be done? Is this like, I mean, if you
Speaker 9: say that we just go to our local board, that
Speaker 9: doesn't mean a lot to me, because they're just going
Speaker 9: to do whatever the people behind them tell them to do.
Speaker 9: How could we stop this as far as legislation on
Speaker 9: a federal level or something like that, because until AI
Speaker 9: contains clear instructions on human freedoms and rights, I'm not
Speaker 9: trusting it. So, mister Dornick, what could we do in
Speaker 9: order to either stop or put unassailable guardrails on it?
Speaker 9: Because it's kind of revert to me.
Speaker 3: You bring up some good points, but before Jeff answers,
Speaker 3: I want to give one simple concept out there, and
Speaker 3: both of you can expound on it. Jeff, first, the
Speaker 3: Constitution simply needs to restrain tech. But that's a broad
Speaker 3: based statement and without the oop or the energy behind it.
Speaker 3: Jeff Dornick, that's interesting what Robert's talking about. I find fascinating.
Speaker 3: Tell us more.
Speaker 7: Yeah, No, no, it is. And it's one of those
Speaker 7: things that I've been exploring a lot. It's like, what's
Speaker 7: the what's the solution to this? Because on one hand,
Speaker 7: you know, we live in a free society, or we
Speaker 7: want we want business to innovate, and we want technology
Speaker 7: to innovate, but we also want to make sure that
Speaker 7: our constitutional rights are being preserved. I think that I
Speaker 7: think that Uh, it's it's interesting because if you're looking
Speaker 7: at things from the federal level, I don't see the
Speaker 7: incentive for our representatives and our senators to actually pass
Speaker 7: legislation to actually restrict anything, even though they should, but
Speaker 7: they're all kind of beholden with this big surveillance, big tech,
Speaker 7: big big military operation going on right now. So when
Speaker 7: you look at it from that perspective, I think that
Speaker 7: we are far more likely to actually see results on
Speaker 7: a local level than we would ever get results on
Speaker 7: a federal level. I think. I think that also where
Speaker 7: we have to look at where the contracts being signed
Speaker 7: right now for the plot cameras, it's being signed primarily
Speaker 7: on the local city level. Your your city council. You
Speaker 7: have a lot more direct access to your city council
Speaker 7: than you do the House representatives or the Senate. So
Speaker 7: what so, what I would say is that you can
Speaker 7: push back against this. You can make your voice heard,
Speaker 7: you can send letters, you can make phone calls, you
Speaker 7: can organize with a lot of other people to do
Speaker 7: the same thing, to show up to city, city council meetings,
Speaker 7: county board of supervisors or meetings. You know, there's already
Speaker 7: multiple cities where where the residents have have done that
Speaker 7: and they've they've been able to get the city council
Speaker 7: to agree to take down, uh to to sever that
Speaker 7: contract with the flat cameras. And you know, the same
Speaker 7: thing happened in a wide variety of other things, including
Speaker 7: what was going on in in you know, in the
Speaker 7: midst of COVID I lived in. I live in Orange County, California,
Speaker 7: where where the Orange County Board of Supervisors, which were
Speaker 7: it's a very traditionally red part of California, they were
Speaker 7: the first, they were the first county to actually suggest
Speaker 7: doing a vaccine passport, uh, you know, in our in
Speaker 7: our county, and literally the people of Orange County showed
Speaker 7: up and where it was a line out the door
Speaker 7: in order to speak, and it shut the entire thing down.
Speaker 7: So we do have a voice, but I think we
Speaker 7: have a much stronger voice on a local level than
Speaker 7: we do on a national level.
Speaker 3: Well, it's interesting, Robert. One thing I want to mention
Speaker 3: here in the conversation, maybe to give some hope to
Speaker 3: this on the local level. Don't give up, folks. Municipal
Speaker 3: surveillance ordinances that are voted in by and I'm using
Speaker 3: to say it twice qualified voters, quite qualified voters. Robert,
Speaker 3: you get the last word on this. Thanks for being
Speaker 3: part of the show.
Speaker 1: Continue please, Oh, no problem, man.
Speaker 9: It's really fascinating and I have some things to read about.
Speaker 9: But all I want to say, it's like people who
Speaker 9: went along with the Weimer Republic socialists registration of their
Speaker 9: guns because they thought they were doing the right thing,
Speaker 9: later had them confiscated when Nazis took over. And I
Speaker 9: know that we have at least half of the political
Speaker 9: machine in this country that would love to have this
Speaker 9: kind of power over us. And if we fall, the
Speaker 9: people at the World Economics Form would love to have this,
Speaker 9: and I suspect they're behind it, and that's part of
Speaker 9: the reason why I don't trust you. But I'd love
Speaker 9: taking in around with you. Thank you very much, you guys,
Speaker 9: you have a great weekend.
Speaker 3: Okay, Well, thank you Robert. Always insightful bringing good points
Speaker 3: to the theater of the mind. Here continue as we
Speaker 3: go to the bottom of the hour. In about seven
Speaker 3: or eight minutes. Line number four. Johnny and New Jersey,
Speaker 3: you've been patient. You're on with Jeff DORNI. How you
Speaker 3: doing this morning? Johnny's gone. We go we go to
Speaker 3: line number four. Nick in Virginia. Good morning to you,
Speaker 3: thanks for your patience. How you doing.
Speaker 17: It's good morning, Doctor Sky and Jeff. I love your show,
Speaker 17: Doctor Scott got a listen every week.
Speaker 3: My pleasure.
Speaker 11: Now.
Speaker 17: Well, gentlemen, I live in data centerland and it's not
Speaker 17: part of the New Disney theme park. It's Northern Virginia.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 17: We have we have six center over six centred data
Speaker 17: centers here and growing. We store seventy percent of the
Speaker 17: world's data here at Northern Virginia.
Speaker 3: Yeah. And what's your electric bill every month?
Speaker 17: Actually? Funny, well, it is going up because of the
Speaker 17: beginning a lot a lot of these data centers, they're
Speaker 17: putting in their own nuclear power plants. Oh yeah, and
Speaker 17: so they're they're trying to create their own energy because
Speaker 17: it's going to take so much. Now, there was a
Speaker 17: question about, uh, who's making money on this. There's a
Speaker 17: lot of money to be made because they're buying up
Speaker 17: two million dollar homes tearing them down to build these
Speaker 17: data centers and uh. And it's just incredible what's going
Speaker 17: on here. And I want to say I have a
Speaker 17: question about it. Why does Google and the other search engines.
Speaker 17: They want every little minutia about me, my emails, my
Speaker 17: text messages, my wackles, and that's you know. And I've
Speaker 17: asked it people about this and and I also asked
Speaker 17: them what happens when we die?
Speaker 7: Where does this data go?
Speaker 17: And I was told that it goes to the wayback machine.
Speaker 17: Now I started laughing because I remember that was a call. Yeah,
Speaker 17: and it's actual term. It's a technical term, and it's
Speaker 17: it's getting all, you know, emails from way way back.
Speaker 17: And actually one guy came one day examine I'm exposed
Speaker 17: a lot of ID people, and he told me that
Speaker 17: Hillary Clinton's emails could be easily found by the way.
Speaker 3: Absolutely. Yeah, not to cut you off, Nick, I have
Speaker 3: something I think is interesting. Maybe they could pull that
Speaker 3: information of all the people that are not alive on
Speaker 3: the voter rolls, so we don't have dead people voting
Speaker 3: and count it as a ballot in the whole e
Speaker 3: linction system. Maybe there's a benefit to some of it.
Speaker 3: But that's a tiny, tiny little one, don't you think, Nick?
Speaker 17: There you go, yeah, amen, And but you know, I
Speaker 17: think where they're going with this really and I'm seeing
Speaker 17: it here. I don't know if it's anywhere else in
Speaker 17: the country. But a lot of supermarkets now here are
Speaker 17: doing the shopping for you. You you burd online and they've
Speaker 17: shopped for you, and then you pick it out, they
Speaker 17: bring it and they're going to shut the supermarkets down
Speaker 17: so you can't get in. You're going to order everything
Speaker 17: off your phone. Right now. I was I was my
Speaker 17: insurance company. I'm on Medicare. They're trying to cut costs
Speaker 17: and they're doing video. Uh, you know, taking your blood
Speaker 17: pressure and everything. It's going to be where you're gonna be,
Speaker 17: uh have your.
Speaker 11: Yearly.
Speaker 17: Uh one of my trying to did your you know,
Speaker 17: any visit?
Speaker 7: Did you go to a doctor?
Speaker 17: Is going to be on a on a on a camera.
Speaker 7: And then.
Speaker 3: I gotta I hate to cut you short, but I
Speaker 3: gotta say no, no, no, don't be sorry, very impacting
Speaker 3: to the whole audience. If you want to talk about
Speaker 3: how words have meaning. Apparently this is verifiable, and Jeff
Speaker 3: can tell us more. I'm sure social Security that name
Speaker 3: is now called by the government federal benefit payment. Where
Speaker 3: do you think the money came from? We worked for it,
Speaker 3: So there's a whole different iteration. Not to cut you short,
Speaker 3: Nick but we've only got a few minutes for Jeff's
Speaker 3: response before the heartbreak. But thank you for the kind
Speaker 3: comments about the program. I'm glad you're in our theater
Speaker 3: with the mind. Always great to listen to people that
Speaker 3: have some interesting common sense kind of conversation points. Jeff,
Speaker 3: go ahead, please.
Speaker 7: Yeah, definitely. Well, you know, it's it's it's really interesting,
Speaker 7: how again with with with technology, it's like we're fast
Speaker 7: tracking everything and you know, like you were saying in
Speaker 7: regards to like the medical industry and how and how
Speaker 7: medicare is is is now you know, pushing a lot
Speaker 7: of this you know technology. One of one of the
Speaker 7: crazy things too, is with with a lot of our
Speaker 7: medical data that's all been very centralized into databases and
Speaker 7: and access to a lot of that kind of information
Speaker 7: as well, and they sell it on the idea of
Speaker 7: convenience for doctors to be able to, you know, access
Speaker 7: information with this you you grant access to this doctor,
Speaker 7: they can access it and all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 7: But also then the question then becomes, like, you know,
Speaker 7: are they able to use this for training? Artifics? Intelligence
Speaker 7: are large language models because if you if you listen
Speaker 7: to guys like you know, like Elon Musk that are
Speaker 7: developing a lot of this you know, AI technology and
Speaker 7: large language models. Like they're talking about a future where,
Speaker 7: you know, forget the telehealth where you're doing where you're
Speaker 7: just getting online and that you're talking to a doctor,
Speaker 7: but like you're actually gonna it's all gonna be run
Speaker 7: by AI. Like surgery they're predicting is going to be
Speaker 7: an AI robot. You know, like everything, everything is going
Speaker 7: to be run by technology and uh, but the way
Speaker 7: that they get there is with our data. So so
Speaker 7: a lot of times what ends up happening is we
Speaker 7: are training the very the very robots and artificial intelligence
Speaker 7: that is going to ultimately be replacing us in the workforce.
Speaker 3: It's amazing as if somebody said, way up the food chain,
Speaker 3: as we talk about people like Klaus Schwab, one of
Speaker 3: these futurists and all and the whole thing of the
Speaker 3: global world, many people have said it like this, you
Speaker 3: will own nothing and you will be happy. God help
Speaker 3: us if that ever happens. As we come up to
Speaker 3: the break, continuing with your phone calls, ladies and gentlemen
Speaker 3: all around the nation, around the world, and we'll continue
Speaker 3: after this particular break, the heartbreak. At the bottom of
Speaker 3: the hour, we have online five David in Staten Island
Speaker 3: Line one, Bob and Riverhead two. We got Lamar and
Speaker 3: Georgia and you why not join us at one eight
Speaker 3: hundred eight four eight nine two two two as we
Speaker 3: talk about the great mysteries and in this case, the
Speaker 3: science and mystery of surveillance in our world today and
Speaker 3: what you might be able to do about it. Where
Speaker 3: do we draw the line between public safety and government surveillance.
Speaker 3: We'll be back.
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Speaker 10: Cross the boundary into the unknown, where gravity bends, the
Speaker 10: light and time itself stands still. This is the edge
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Speaker 3: We're moving through time and space with you the listener on.
Speaker 3: There's a giant radio station, as we call the Powerhouse
Speaker 3: Blowtarch Talk Radio seventy seven WABC. Our special guest Jeff
Speaker 3: Dornick of The Jeff Dornick Show. He's also the CEO
Speaker 3: and founder of Pickaxe, the groundbreaking social media platform built
Speaker 3: on two uncompromising principles, freedom of speech and freedom of reach.
Speaker 3: Thanks for being with us, Jeff. We continue with the callers.
Speaker 3: They've been patient. Let's go to line five and David,
Speaker 3: good morning. You're in Staten Island.
Speaker 11: How are you this morning, doctor Sky and company.
Speaker 5: I like to make one samment, if I might, I
Speaker 5: may have been starting inventing since I was out of diapers.
Speaker 5: It's a long story. I have very unusual genealogy. I
Speaker 5: just found out if my mother died recently, I came
Speaker 5: recurse a phrase many years ago of a floating mind.
Speaker 5: In other words, if you're gifted, you could wander your
Speaker 5: thoughts like you're almost blaying. Well, you're big enough the
Speaker 5: information out of nowhere, Albert, I sign you the phrase
Speaker 5: thought experiments. I think the difference is that Albert Einstein
Speaker 5: could focus on one subject at a time. A floding
Speaker 5: mine jumps around as always looking for something. Many years
Speaker 5: ago and I lost a lot when she died, Notes
Speaker 5: and drawings less At the house where I was living
Speaker 5: with my mother's for sixty years. She pushed me to
Speaker 5: make a promise to stay whether her answer, my two
Speaker 5: sisters got married because she was afraid to be alone.
Speaker 5: What came out of it was I went through the
Speaker 5: notes and drawings after a thought in my mind said,
Speaker 5: don't do it. Build the craft. A while back you
Speaker 5: hung up on me. I'm not saying anything rude that
Speaker 5: you would being about a flying source of potential. My
Speaker 5: mother had a round dish looks like a flying sauce.
Speaker 5: If you have imagination two handles, you could put Jadeo's in.
Speaker 5: It would spin around, up and then fall down. The crafer.
Speaker 5: Somebody out stating island I think it is has my stuff.
Speaker 5: I had a hundred poss notes and drawings in those notes.
Speaker 3: Okay, I think we lost David there for a moment,
Speaker 3: But let me say this, the subject that we'd like
Speaker 3: to talk about with our special guest is a little different. So, David,
Speaker 3: if you're still listening, give us a call on our
Speaker 3: next show, because we're going to go back to the
Speaker 3: realms of space and the whole conversation of upology. I'm
Speaker 3: sure your story is amazing, but would like to stay
Speaker 3: on measure line number one. We go to Bob in Riverhead.
Speaker 3: Your patients is appreciated, how.
Speaker 15: Are you sir, Hello, gentlemen. Well, the first statement I
Speaker 15: would have is these people that are government employees that
Speaker 15: are claiming the fifth Amendment. You know, they're on taxpayer's salary,
Speaker 15: and while they're working for us, they should be answerable
Speaker 15: to the people I pay their salary. So I don't
Speaker 15: know why they get away with its amendment. But I
Speaker 15: called because on AI research, it's been shown that they're
Speaker 15: not delivered, that there's an understanding of how AI intelligence
Speaker 15: actually works, what's in the AI mind, so to speak.
Speaker 15: And since AI can't be directly endowed with an intrinsic
Speaker 15: desire to help humans, it seems probable that what will
Speaker 15: emerge as a set of parameters that align with, you know,
Speaker 15: the AI accomplishing its goals rather than human flourishing. And
Speaker 15: I'm just wondering, you know, if there's common in that,
Speaker 15: because if you look at species, you know, mankind may
Speaker 15: not have it in for a certain particular species, but
Speaker 15: yet it will destroy its habitat because it wants to
Speaker 15: use the land. So that's a kind of simply to
Speaker 15: like AI and humanity. It may not have it in
Speaker 15: for us directly, but it looks like is efficient on
Speaker 15: accomplishing its goals.
Speaker 3: No, I'm hearing you. It's very insightful what you're bringing
Speaker 3: up here. Jeff. Let's get you in the conversation on this,
Speaker 3: because you are our guru right now on this whole
Speaker 3: AI conundrum. Good bad or indifferent? What site?
Speaker 7: This is interesting with Bob brought up, No, it really isn't.
Speaker 7: And it's interesting because there's there's been many instances where
Speaker 7: where the AI goes into self preservation mode. And so
Speaker 7: there's been instances where the the AI has been instructed
Speaker 7: to delete its history or to or where there's been
Speaker 7: an attempt to like completely shut it down, and it'll
Speaker 7: figure out how to move to a different server or
Speaker 7: something along those lines. And so there's there's definitely a
Speaker 7: self preservation uh thing in there. And I don't necessarily
Speaker 7: know how to how to describe it because again you're
Speaker 7: talking about computer program but also there there is some
Speaker 7: kind of element of self preservation. So you know, I
Speaker 7: think when we're looking at this into the future, I
Speaker 7: think we have we have to take that into consideration.
Speaker 7: I think that the other the other component where I
Speaker 7: think we we the AI really go has the potential
Speaker 7: to go rogue is once it's merged with quantum computing,
Speaker 7: and I think that that's why, you know, President Trump
Speaker 7: recent recently signed a an executive order dealing with quantum computing,
Speaker 7: and actually from a security standpoint of, you know, we
Speaker 7: have to develop a you know, anti quantum you know,
Speaker 7: protocols and things along those lines. But the real race
Speaker 7: for artificial intelligence is in relation to quantum computing because
Speaker 7: it will take the computation power you have so much
Speaker 7: more powerful. And realistically, whoever reaches at first, whether it's
Speaker 7: China or the United States, really wins the race indefinitely
Speaker 7: because I don't know how you catch up to somebody
Speaker 7: else who gets a head start on that much of
Speaker 7: a drastic increase in computation power. So when when quantum
Speaker 7: computing combines with artificial intelligence, that's truly when things become
Speaker 7: less controlled by us in in human programmers, and more
Speaker 7: where it becomes self learning instantaneously faster than we can
Speaker 7: even keep up. That's when you start talking about you know,
Speaker 7: terminator scenarios.
Speaker 3: No, you brought up a good point, and we should
Speaker 3: do a show on this. I've got a couple of
Speaker 3: go to people that I liked it, and I'll disrespect
Speaker 3: to you, sir. Now we're going to talk about the
Speaker 3: physics of quantum computing because it uses something called superposition.
Speaker 3: And if you're wondering what the heck that is, and
Speaker 3: you're going, wow, this is early and now we get
Speaker 3: a physics lesson. The truth of the matter is it's
Speaker 3: as if a particle could be in two places at
Speaker 3: one time. And that again when it relates to quantum physics,
Speaker 3: when we're using zeros and ones, as people know who
Speaker 3: they're experts in computers, we would now use something in
Speaker 3: the quantum realm that has what as you've mentioned, Jeff,
Speaker 3: exponentially being able to do computations. Even with our fastest
Speaker 3: computers that we have now they would be considered what
Speaker 3: an obsolete source. So the future lies in all these
Speaker 3: very amazing technologies. But in your frame of reference, where
Speaker 3: are the controls on stuff like this? This is important.
Speaker 3: Let's continue on and thank you very much, Bob and Riverhead,
Speaker 3: great points line them Beer four Robert in the Hudson Valley.
Speaker 3: You've been patient. You're on with Jeff Dornick. How you doing.
Speaker 9: Thanks very much.
Speaker 18: I'm an avid eclips chaser and I just wanted to
Speaker 18: be a little bit of a resource. Earlier, the idea
Speaker 18: of the Wayback Machine was mentioned. That's for those that
Speaker 18: are not familiar. That's a not for profit in San
Speaker 18: Francisco that periodically scans websites on the Internet and take screenshots.
Speaker 18: Not continuous, that would be an impossible task. But for
Speaker 18: people that are interested, you can sometimes go back maybe
Speaker 18: fifteen twenty years and look what was happening. It's basically
Speaker 18: a sample. It's not a complete record, but for those
Speaker 18: that are interested in it's pretty positive. And I enjoy
Speaker 18: the rest of your program and just wanted to give
Speaker 18: you that resource.
Speaker 3: Hit no, thank you. Just tell us again how people
Speaker 3: can get that, because I don't think it came well.
Speaker 18: It's Wayback Machine. We are not for profit in San Francisco,
Speaker 18: and it's you can use it for historical research and
Speaker 18: frankly I've used it for litigation to catch people and
Speaker 18: what they said years ago did rather not repeat. Thanks
Speaker 18: very much, I really enjoy yourself.
Speaker 3: Well, thank you for the kindness. But more important, our
Speaker 3: special guests, Jeff, you want to comment on this because see,
Speaker 3: we learn so much by the people in the chairs
Speaker 3: coming up to the microphone. As I like to call
Speaker 3: it a theater of the mind. What say you? That
Speaker 3: was interesting what we're hearing from Robert.
Speaker 7: Yeah, on my end, it was kind of breaking up
Speaker 7: a little bit, and so I didn't catch the full
Speaker 7: context to really be able to respond on that one.
Speaker 3: Unfortunately, totally understood, but it is powerful stuff. Line number three,
Speaker 3: we well compete in New Jersey. You've been patient. How
Speaker 3: are you doing this morning? Thanks for being part of
Speaker 3: our show.
Speaker 13: Yeah, so calling to Greg Jarard for Texas and Louisiana
Speaker 13: of a parent Katy anthem, that's why you plugged the fifth.
Speaker 3: Okay, So there's not an end to the story of
Speaker 3: doctor Fauci then, right, I mean something might happen, or
Speaker 3: could happen, or in some people's minds, should happen from
Speaker 3: taking the Fifth one hundred and eleven times. That's powerful stuff.
Speaker 3: Jeff a comment if you want. I mean, that's a
Speaker 3: little out of our realm per se. But maybe not
Speaker 3: because how can you get away with taking the fifth
Speaker 3: one hundred and eleven times? Or is that you're right
Speaker 3: under the Constitution as it simply states, I gather in
Speaker 3: the Fifth.
Speaker 7: Amendment, right, Yeah, well, you know, and I think that
Speaker 7: there's a couple of different angles that I think, you know,
Speaker 7: guys like Rand Paul and and I think Senator Johnson
Speaker 7: and some of these guys are actually proposing, which is
Speaker 7: that you know number one, uh, he's he's he was
Speaker 7: already you know, pardoned by by Biden. So so it's like,
Speaker 7: can you actually plead the fifth if you're if you
Speaker 7: are pardoned for for the you know, alleged crimes on
Speaker 7: the On the other on the other side is that
Speaker 7: you were you know, you're here to testify about your
Speaker 7: work as a government official. And I think that there
Speaker 7: there's a legitimate question as to whether you know, there
Speaker 7: there should be Fifth Amendment, uh, you know, for protections
Speaker 7: for somebody who has to answer for their behavior as
Speaker 7: a public public official. So I think there's two different
Speaker 7: angles that they can explore on this. But even even
Speaker 7: from like a technological standpoint, it's it's interesting looking at
Speaker 7: like what they were doing with like gain of function research,
Speaker 7: specifically with what you know Fauci was really focusing on,
Speaker 7: because there's there's there's a lot of different components, especially
Speaker 7: in gain of function where they are dealing with technology
Speaker 7: and they are dealing with AI and the biotech world
Speaker 7: and all that kind of stuff to where there is
Speaker 7: this kind of merging together between you know, bio human
Speaker 7: biology and technology and how that can be incorporated into bioweapons.
Speaker 7: So they're even even talking about AI you know, ties
Speaker 7: back to Anthony Fauci to a certain degree as well.
Speaker 3: Amazing stuff. Yeah, the great callers that we get here,
Speaker 3: I mean, that's where we always say this, and we're
Speaker 3: not really restrictive. We just like to have the conversation
Speaker 3: just if we can, just to ask kindly stay on
Speaker 3: measure with the subject and when we go back to
Speaker 3: our realm from the obvious side of the space and
Speaker 3: the wonders of the universe. Obviously we can't tell people
Speaker 3: what to do, but we do love all the callers
Speaker 3: that come into this particular show. Very interesting. So give
Speaker 3: it out your website again so people can learn from
Speaker 3: the Pickax because this is fascinating and I'm sure many
Speaker 3: many people are going there tired of the old routines
Speaker 3: where the surveillance and the cancelations and the censorship are there.
Speaker 3: How do people get in touch with you? Again, this
Speaker 3: is an interesting development. Not everybody builds one.
Speaker 7: Like this, right right exactly. Well, yeah, so you can
Speaker 7: need to go to the website, which is Pickax dot com.
Speaker 7: It's p c k a x dot com. You can
Speaker 7: also download the app as well in either the Google
Speaker 7: Play Store or in the iOS the Apple App Store
Speaker 7: as well. Just look up Pickax p I c k
Speaker 7: a X and you can download the app there. That's
Speaker 7: honestly the best place to follow me. I'm constantly writing
Speaker 7: articles over there about a lot of this kind of
Speaker 7: stuff when it comes to artificial intelligence, and you know,
Speaker 7: I do shows on a lot of this kind of
Speaker 7: stuff as well, So you know, that's kind of become
Speaker 7: my hub obviously, since it's my own social media platforms,
Speaker 7: that's kind of where my primary time is spent on
Speaker 7: social media.
Speaker 3: Well, again, the question is, and I look at it
Speaker 3: this way that many people have even answered it. They have,
Speaker 3: and we appreciate it. You don't have to where do
Speaker 3: we draw the line between public safety and government surveillance?
Speaker 3: Who are we? We're the Doctor Sky Experience. Who's our
Speaker 3: guest the Jeff Dornick, as we mentioned many times here,
Speaker 3: the founder and CEO of Pickaxe, the groundbreaking social media
Speaker 3: platform built on two uncompromising principles. We're talking the freedom
Speaker 3: of speech and the freedom of reach. And to understand.
Speaker 3: That's your homework assignment if you choose to accept it,
Speaker 3: to study more about the Constitution and understand the specific
Speaker 3: differences that you could explain it to a seven year old.
Speaker 3: And I mean that seriously, the differences between freedom and
Speaker 3: liberty much more. With Jeff Dornick and your calls line
Speaker 3: number five, Lenny in Westchester will get to you. Stay
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Speaker 19: I think the reason is simply that with the amount
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Speaker 3: Forty eight minutes after the hour, we continue here on
Speaker 3: the sky experience or a special guest as you've learned,
Speaker 3: or if you're just joining us, Jeff Dornick, let's go
Speaker 3: to line vive Lenny in Westchester. You've been patient. Good
Speaker 3: morning to you, Thanks for your patience.
Speaker 6: Well, my patience is unlimited, gentleman, doctor Sky Jeff, your
Speaker 6: show is awesome and it's every shattering, and you got
Speaker 6: to excuse me. I was just feeding all the information
Speaker 6: from Gain and Function into my artificial intelligence.
Speaker 16: I'm waiting for the anthe to come out.
Speaker 7: But before I get to the.
Speaker 16: Meat and potatoes, let me just say some to everybody,
Speaker 16: because I think I have a little more experience on this.
Speaker 16: The fifth the fifth Amendment does not get suspended, okay.
Speaker 16: And also they were looking to get the key blorelf
Speaker 16: on perjury. They don't want a criminal trial because all
Speaker 16: the evidence will come out and you want to know
Speaker 16: how embarrassing that will be.
Speaker 3: No eighty five year.
Speaker 16: Old people up pull the sap by himself. Okay, Now,
Speaker 16: let me get back to what the meat potatoes. When
Speaker 16: you guys are talking about it's phenomenal artificial.
Speaker 20: Intelligence, data sends, it is computer chips, cloud. Have we
Speaker 20: noticed through the years when we develop all this stuff
Speaker 20: and we are number one, no one's even close. China
Speaker 20: had stuff because they steal it to us, and Russia
Speaker 20: had stuff because we gave it to them because we
Speaker 20: were stupid.
Speaker 16: To give it to them back in the seventies.
Speaker 6: But miniaturation, miniaturizing our technology is one of the most
Speaker 6: to meet, one of the most phenomenal things going. And
Speaker 6: I believe data centers eventually will be miniaturized. There will
Speaker 6: also be ways of developing more energy, so people in
Speaker 6: those towns, which I believe the data centers eventually certain
Speaker 6: places will not be near those places because people are
Speaker 6: getting at it. But I want to emphasize this, and Jeff,
Speaker 6: can you answer this if you have a background. China
Speaker 6: and Russia do not.
Speaker 16: Want us to be number one in data and data
Speaker 16: centers or practical intelligence, so they're working inside this country
Speaker 16: to stop it, and they're funding somebody's protests.
Speaker 7: Oh yeah, I wouldn't be surprised. I wouldn't be surprised
Speaker 7: especial especially China, you know, doing that because and we
Speaker 7: we also know as well that that China has has
Speaker 7: infiltrated UH, you know, a wide variety of government agencies
Speaker 7: and UH in all different you know, aspects of American
Speaker 7: life as well. So I'm sure that they are impacting
Speaker 7: and influencing things as well as funding you know, certain
Speaker 7: certain kinds of either narratives, propaganda protests, you know, things
Speaker 7: things along those lines. I think I think on I think,
Speaker 7: on one hand, it's it's very easy to say that,
Speaker 7: you know, because like Kevin O'Leary, you know, who's heavily
Speaker 7: invested in a lot of these A I dentists AI
Speaker 7: data centers. But saying that all all of the people
Speaker 7: that that are saying that they are opposed to the
Speaker 7: AI data centers, that they're basically all incnhusive with China,
Speaker 7: I think we have to be careful not to go
Speaker 7: that far because I've got concerns about a lot of
Speaker 7: these A I Dentists data centers as well, and I
Speaker 7: definitely have zero ties to China. But also on the
Speaker 7: book side, there is definitely UH propaganda things going on
Speaker 7: because they want to make sure that they're going to
Speaker 7: win the race, not us.
Speaker 3: Lenny, thanks for the insightful commentary. You're spot on on this,
Speaker 3: and occasionally, ladies and gentlemen, with no apology, we talk
Speaker 3: about stories of American exceptionalism and bringing our mindset to
Speaker 3: understand what Jeff Dornick is talking about with great guests
Speaker 3: like himself on the problematic thing of these companies that
Speaker 3: may not necessarily be bad companies. I mean that's a
Speaker 3: very general word, but the concern we have to have
Speaker 3: out there, people must give their consent. So if you're
Speaker 3: in a small city, many are even a big city,
Speaker 3: municipal surveillance ordinances on surveillance ought to be determined by
Speaker 3: qualified voters. I think Jeff would agree on that. Excuse me,
Speaker 3: but as we close out the show, I wanted to
Speaker 3: go and step out a little further and leap out
Speaker 3: describe to us from a Christian standpoint your book Church
Speaker 3: and State, and then talk about a new book that
Speaker 3: you're coming out with here if you don't mind sharing
Speaker 3: it following the leader. What's the premise spike behind both
Speaker 3: of these books.
Speaker 7: Yeah, definitely. So the book Church is State was was
Speaker 7: kind of a sequel to another book that that we
Speaker 7: put out the year before called Social Injustice. So the
Speaker 7: first book was called Social Injustice Exposed in the False
Speaker 7: Gospel of the Social Justice Movement. I brought together a
Speaker 7: bunch of experts to each kind of write a chapter
Speaker 7: on their expertise dealing dealing with the social justice movement
Speaker 7: from a theological standpoint, So we compared everything with scripture,
Speaker 7: dove into the worldview, the theology behind the movement, and
Speaker 7: all that. Church and State kind of became the sequel
Speaker 7: that where that ended up focusing more on the strategy
Speaker 7: of infiltration, specifically into the evangelical church because you know,
Speaker 7: as a lot of people have seen and commented that,
Speaker 7: you know, you walk into a church and then you
Speaker 7: leave and it sounds like you just left the Bernie
Speaker 7: Sanders AFC rally. It's like this.
Speaker 3: Exactly right.
Speaker 7: It's like, how did how did we get to that point?
Speaker 7: And so you know, we I've got doctor Bobby Lopez
Speaker 7: who wrote about how the left actually infiltrated into the
Speaker 7: theological seminaries we've we had we had another another chapter
Speaker 7: was by Pastor Greg Locke taking a look at at
Speaker 7: how the church was hijacked in the midst of COVID,
Speaker 7: we you know took you know, I wrote a chapter
Speaker 7: on the evangelical culture personality and how that's used to
Speaker 7: manipulate people. So there was a lot of different things
Speaker 7: that they were exposed in that book, and it's it's
Speaker 7: a great book to really understand how how the church
Speaker 7: was hijacked. The book that I'm working on right now
Speaker 7: is called Following the Leader, which expands on the chapter
Speaker 7: that I wrote within Church and State about the evangelical
Speaker 7: culture personality. But I'm looking specifically at how this kind
Speaker 7: of culture personality is playing out in politics. It happens
Speaker 7: on the left, it happens on the right, it happens
Speaker 7: in all different you know mediums really where where they
Speaker 7: will use these leaders in order to try to get
Speaker 7: you to identify yourself with that person. And then once
Speaker 7: you identify with that person, it's very easy to mold
Speaker 7: your belief system and change your belief system to align
Speaker 7: when that person molds or changes. And so that like
Speaker 7: when you think about it, for a lot of people
Speaker 7: that in the midst of COVID, Anthony Fauci was that
Speaker 7: quote unquote cult leader to a certain degree to where
Speaker 7: whatever he said when he'd one day he'd say we're
Speaker 7: mask The other day he'd say he wear three masks.
Speaker 7: Another day he'd say wear no masks, and people would
Speaker 7: morph with it because they were in line with him
Speaker 7: as their quote unquote leader. You know, the same thing
Speaker 7: happens on the right, the same thing happens in a
Speaker 7: variety of ways. So my concern is helping people to
Speaker 7: figure out not only what do you believe, but why
Speaker 7: do you believe it? And is your belief system founded
Speaker 7: on the belief system of somebody else or is it
Speaker 7: because you actually know that what you believe is true.
Speaker 7: So it's kind of we go through this self examination
Speaker 7: period as well.
Speaker 13: Well.
Speaker 3: Think about this, ladies and gentlemen. Your homemark, if you
Speaker 3: choose to accept it, is to study the Revolutionary War,
Speaker 3: a black robe regiment the ministry there. That's interesting, that's
Speaker 3: something that many people don't even know about. And we'll
Speaker 3: leave that for another discussion. But in simplistic terms, how
Speaker 3: would you define the black robe regiment of the Revolutionary War?
Speaker 7: That was realistically? It was it was a bunch of
Speaker 7: pastors and reverends, you know, around the colonies that were
Speaker 7: actually you know, preaching about the current state of what
Speaker 7: was going on in the relationship between America and England,
Speaker 7: and they were actually engaging their congregations to get involved
Speaker 7: to push back. And so it was really interesting because
Speaker 7: you know, there's a pietist movement that happened in it's
Speaker 7: also happening now where there was pastors like, we want
Speaker 7: to stay out of the quote unquote the politics or
Speaker 7: the government, or you know, we just want to preach
Speaker 7: the gospel, that preach the Bible. And then there was
Speaker 7: these Black Regiment pastors where they were like, no, the bier,
Speaker 7: there's biblical principles that can apply to this situation, and
Speaker 7: I think that we can learn from that.
Speaker 3: Today you bring up something that's not a left time
Speaker 3: just a couple of minutes left here in the top
Speaker 3: of this hour of Too number two, you bring up
Speaker 3: something here it's called the economy is booming, So why
Speaker 3: are you broke? What's the general consensus behind that? It
Speaker 3: sounds very interesting and I'm sure many people will relate.
Speaker 7: Yeah, Well, it was interesting because because I did an
Speaker 7: episode of my show, of The Jeff Jornicks Show, and
Speaker 7: I had a guest on that we're talking about capitalism
Speaker 7: and socialism, and he was he was He was really
Speaker 7: making the argument about how you know the the economy
Speaker 7: is booming, you just look at the stock prices and
Speaker 7: you look at the GDP and you look at all
Speaker 7: that kind of stuff, and uh, you know, I I
Speaker 7: tended to while I agree with him that socialism is awful,
Speaker 7: I also feel like we have to also be honest
Speaker 7: about the current state of the economy. And yes, stock
Speaker 7: prices are up, but that's dealing with America the entity
Speaker 7: that's dealing with the big corporations that it's dealing with
Speaker 7: the wealthy. It's not necessarily dealing with the everyday Americans.
Speaker 7: The everyday Americans largely are struggling.
Speaker 11: You know.
Speaker 7: Grocery prices are up, Like, you know, my wife and
Speaker 7: my wife and I were going through our our budget,
Speaker 7: you know, and everything, and it's like we have nowhere
Speaker 7: to cut because everything, all the prices are going up
Speaker 7: on virtually everything, and and and it's it's really crazy
Speaker 7: about that. So it's like, on one hand, you've got
Speaker 7: the the the numbers that the economy look at like
Speaker 7: the economy is booming, it's growing, and then on the
Speaker 7: other hand, you're looking at the everyday Americans that are
Speaker 7: struggling to get by, and there's this tension there on,
Speaker 7: you know, and I think that we have to acknowledge
Speaker 7: both sides of the equation to truly gauge how the
Speaker 7: economy is going and how we can actually serve the
Speaker 7: American people.
Speaker 3: Very well, said Jeff Dornick. I hope you'll come back.
Speaker 3: I say that the guests that are we of course
Speaker 3: every guest I asked that. But it's your opportunity to
Speaker 3: hear be heard here on this powerhouse blowtorchs. We certainly
Speaker 3: would appreciate another time with you as your book and
Speaker 3: the second book comes out following the leader, You're welcome
Speaker 3: here anytime, and again go to his particular new This app,
Speaker 3: Legends of the Pickaxe is a Pickaxe dot com. Is
Speaker 3: that the location that people can get it? Tell me
Speaker 3: one more time?
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, they can go over to pickax dot com
Speaker 7: or you guys can dowload the app directly in the
Speaker 7: iOS or the Google Play app store.
Speaker 3: Thank you so much, Jeff Dornick of The Jeff Dornick Show.
Speaker 3: Always great information. Years we talk about how to keep
Speaker 3: our constitution and again remember we're a constitutional republic, not
Speaker 3: necessarily which many people over use the word in my democracy.
Speaker 3: We are a representative democracy. But that is for another
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Speaker 3: to our space expert Rod Pile and talk about the missions.
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Speaker 3: I was out with the telescope looking three hundred power
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Speaker 3: is difficult to see an object that's forty five feet long,
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