Speaker 1: Students recognize that there was intention behind the entire class.
Speaker 1: So I'm sure we've all been to a class. I'm
Speaker 1: sure we've taught classes where we come in we don't
Speaker 1: have a plan and it's kind of just like throwing
Speaker 1: things to the students and seeing kind of what unfolds.
Speaker 1: Versus when you come in with a plan and you
Speaker 1: teach something intentionally in the beginning and you revisit it later,
Speaker 1: the students have this light bulb that goes off that says, oh,
Speaker 1: my teacher cares. My teacher put the time and attention
Speaker 1: into this experience curated for me.
Speaker 2: What's up, everybody, and welcome back to NYYT where you
Speaker 2: are learning to level up your yoga teaching one masterful
Speaker 2: class at a time. This episode is called creative versus
Speaker 2: Intentional sequencing and how foreshadowing fixes it With Charlotte Muller,
Speaker 2: I'm giggling because I've tried to record this unique intro
Speaker 2: about twelve times now. There's a very long, very medical
Speaker 2: sounding name that I just cannot pronounce in this, but
Speaker 2: I'm going to give it my best. Go wish me luck.
Speaker 2: Charlotte is a yoga teacher, studio owner, and yoga teacher
Speaker 2: trainer with a sweet spot for intentional sequencing. She is
Speaker 2: the founder of the Breathe Strength Sequencing Hub, a membership
Speaker 2: for yoga teachers to support class planning and continued education.
Speaker 2: Her teaching experience began in twenty twelve after turning to exercise, yoga,
Speaker 2: and overall wellness to navigate her genetic condition. Here it
Speaker 2: comes fingers crossed familial hypercholesterolomia not bad. While grieving the
Speaker 2: loss of her mom, Yoga has shaped the way she
Speaker 2: lives her life, and helping other teachers have sustainable teaching
Speaker 2: careers fills her heart. I had an amazing time chatting
Speaker 2: with her and we really dove into what exactly is
Speaker 2: intentional sequencing and her concept of foreshadowing the art of
Speaker 2: introducing ideas, movements, and transitions early so that students feel prepared, confident,
Speaker 2: and connected throughout the entire class experience. We chatted about
Speaker 2: why students can feel when a class was thoughtfully prepared,
Speaker 2: technique Charlotte uses in every single class that she teaches,
Speaker 2: how a tiny preview early in the class can create
Speaker 2: a major aha moment later, why intentional sequencing creates trust
Speaker 2: between teacher and student, How philosophy, theming and sequencing can
Speaker 2: work together instead of competing for attention, and how pregnancy
Speaker 2: completely change Charlotte's relationship with movement, queuing, and teaching. Whether
Speaker 2: you're a newer teacher trying to plan better classes or
Speaker 2: a seasoned teacher looking to refine your craft, this conversation
Speaker 2: will help you think differently about how classes are built
Speaker 2: and why even the smallest moments often create the biggest impact.
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Speaker 2: What's up, everybody, and welcome back to m yyt I
Speaker 2: am so stoked for today's guest. Welcome, Welcome to Charlotte Muller.
Speaker 2: Thank you for being on the podcast. Of course, thanks
Speaker 2: for having me. I can't wait to dive in with you.
Speaker 2: Yes we are, I was saying before we clicked record.
Speaker 2: It feels like, at least from my perspective, that there's
Speaker 2: some common similarities and just a a similar call on
Speaker 2: our heart to serve the same type of people being
Speaker 2: yoga teachers. So I have so many things that I
Speaker 2: want to pick your brain about today. The first which
Speaker 2: in some ways I'm slapping my own wrists because my
Speaker 2: biggest pet peeve during both of my pregnancies was when
Speaker 2: anybody asked me how are you feeling? But because it
Speaker 2: happens all the time, you know when you're pregnant and
Speaker 2: people are asking you how you're feeling. But I would
Speaker 2: like to know if you're open to sharing just how
Speaker 2: your pregnancy is going and how things are feeling, literally
Speaker 2: in your body or just energetically. Yeah, so how how
Speaker 2: are you feeling?
Speaker 1: Absolutely I never get sick of this question, so feel
Speaker 1: free to ask it a million times in this podcast.
Speaker 2: I feel amazing.
Speaker 1: I'm twenty five weeks along, so three more weeks of
Speaker 1: the second trimester, and I just have so much energy
Speaker 1: and I'm so grateful and I have no aches and pains.
Speaker 1: I'm like, this is a pregnancy straight from heaven, and
Speaker 1: I just feel really grateful every day. It's been a
Speaker 1: journey to get here. It took me a while, had
Speaker 1: some loss, so I think that just like the trouble
Speaker 1: and the journey, just makes it even that much sweeter
Speaker 1: and makes me appreciate all of the little moments. So
Speaker 1: I'm feeling so good, I'm feeling so grateful.
Speaker 2: Good. Oh, I'm so glad to hear it. And I'm
Speaker 2: glad that that question doesn't annoy you. In both of
Speaker 2: my pregnancies, and I also had a couple losses before
Speaker 2: it actually took and I remember just being so blindsided
Speaker 2: with the whole process of getting pregnant and frustrate man
Speaker 2: talk about like releasing control, and I didn't really realize
Speaker 2: how not necessarily type A, but how much I wanted
Speaker 2: to control the situation, and how when it wasn't happening
Speaker 2: when I wanted it to happen, how consuming thoughts of
Speaker 2: becoming pregnant are, and how obsessive you can get during
Speaker 2: that time. So I'm just feeling for you, empathizing for
Speaker 2: you you and your journey, and also wanting to speak
Speaker 2: to anybody who's maybe navigating that currently and how sensitive
Speaker 2: you feel and all of a sudden, I mean obviously
Speaker 2: this like particulator reticulating activator system inside of when you
Speaker 2: want to be pregnant, then all you see is pregnant
Speaker 2: people and all this stuff and you just feel I
Speaker 2: felt like this open wound walking around that was so
Speaker 2: sensitive that my heart. You know, it felt like even
Speaker 2: if a fly landed on me, I'd be like, oh yeah, so,
Speaker 2: just wanting to send some love to people who have
Speaker 2: experienced that, and you too. I felt so sick though
Speaker 2: during both of my pregnancies. However, because of dealing with loss,
Speaker 2: it ended up being very comforting to me that I
Speaker 2: did feel sick, because it made me feel like I
Speaker 2: was actually pregnant and things were going well and I
Speaker 2: was having the right pregnancy hormones too. So while I
Speaker 2: was happy, I was also so sick.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I totally feel that, Like I kind of had
Speaker 1: the opposite experience during my first time master. I felt
Speaker 1: so normal and so good, and that gave me spirals
Speaker 1: of anxiety. Yeah, I'm very grateful to feel physically good,
Speaker 1: but this physical good feeling is totally messing with my
Speaker 1: mental so I get it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, one hundred percent. My first I carried all the
Speaker 2: way until twelve weeks, and then went in for the
Speaker 2: twelve week appointment, and they basically were like, I'm so sorry,
Speaker 2: there's no heartbeat. And the whole time I remember being like,
Speaker 2: I feel great. I feel great, you know, and was
Speaker 2: feeling good about that. So I feel like I also
Speaker 2: would have been anxious the second time around if I
Speaker 2: wouldn't have been feeling well because of the experience. So yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm so glad to hear that. And congratulations, you're having
Speaker 2: a girl, right girl? Yep? Yeah, how do you feel?
Speaker 2: Were you hoping for any gender?
Speaker 1: I mean I think secretly I wanted a girl, as
Speaker 1: I mean, I would have been so so happy, especially
Speaker 1: given the whole journey with girl or boy. But just
Speaker 1: when the moment that my husband Russ and I cut
Speaker 1: into that cake and we said, put strawberries in. If
Speaker 1: it's a girl, put blueberries in, if it's a boy,
Speaker 1: straw I saw a strawberry lost it. I was just like,
Speaker 1: that's the most magical feeling in the world. Also, because
Speaker 1: I had lost my mom when she was fifty one,
Speaker 1: I was seventeen years old. So there's this like element
Speaker 1: of just missing that mother daughter connection and knowing that
Speaker 1: it's on its way and it's already here and I
Speaker 1: can feel her moving. It is such a special it's
Speaker 1: such a special feeling, and I always feel like it's
Speaker 1: a gift or she's a gift from my mom.
Speaker 2: Ah, that is so beautiful. That is so beautiful, and
Speaker 2: I'm so happy for you. Just amazing. I have two boys,
Speaker 2: so boy mom through and through, and I have the
Speaker 2: prayer is for a girl. However, I am scared to
Speaker 2: try in and get the third boy. Everybody's like, what
Speaker 2: if you did get a third boy? And I'm just like,
Speaker 2: oh god, I don't know, but do have prayers for
Speaker 2: a girl. And my husband's like are you sure, Like
Speaker 2: are we really about to try for a third And
Speaker 2: I'm like it's already a circus over year, Like it
Speaker 2: is so crazy. Why not add more? Yeah? Why not
Speaker 2: not add more? Exactly? So, I mean, I feel like
Speaker 2: I've seen a couple things that you've posted about doing
Speaker 2: a pregnancy series. Do you feel like in particular pregnancy
Speaker 2: has changed your practice? First, and then also do you
Speaker 2: feel more confident teaching to pregnant people. Now that you
Speaker 2: have directly experienced it yourself.
Speaker 1: Oh absolutely, yeah. I mean just from how pregnancy has
Speaker 1: changed my personal practice, it is it is like night
Speaker 1: and day. Like I didn't realize how easy practicing was
Speaker 1: before pregnancy, and like right, it's like I was like
Speaker 1: I could do all of these and I'm not super
Speaker 1: I'm not so super flexible as a yoga teacher, but
Speaker 1: like just having the strength and the ability to move
Speaker 1: my body in certain ways now that I have a
Speaker 1: big belly, I'm like, this is really eye opening to
Speaker 1: how other people practic as pregnant or not, but how
Speaker 1: other people are able to move their bodies are not.
Speaker 1: And like I've been in the teaching world for I
Speaker 1: want to say fourteen years now, and I've seen so
Speaker 1: many different types of people, watched people move, But until
Speaker 1: I felt in my own body, I really had no
Speaker 1: idea how different practice could feel depending on how your
Speaker 1: body moves. So it's been a really eye opening experience,
Speaker 1: one that I'm really really grateful for because I feel like,
Speaker 1: kind of similarly with getting injured as a yoga teacher,
Speaker 1: I feel like these changes in our own bodies make
Speaker 1: us more aware of what people might need to hear
Speaker 1: what types of cues will serve different people better, and
Speaker 1: just more options, more variations within practice.
Speaker 2: So it's been.
Speaker 1: Really cool and different, and I'm definitely noticing that like
Speaker 1: spike and resting heart rate, I get out of breath easily,
Speaker 1: So even just from the stamina perspective, it's really interesting.
Speaker 1: It's really different and being a prenatal yoga teacher. I
Speaker 1: only started teaching prenatal after I have become pregnant, so
Speaker 1: this is a recent endeavor for me. With my first
Speaker 1: pregnancy that ended in loss, I started my prenatal certification
Speaker 1: and then once I lost that pregnancy, I was like,
Speaker 1: I want nothing to do with this, so I put
Speaker 1: it to the side. I was like, I'm not interested.
Speaker 1: And then a year and a half later, that's finally
Speaker 1: when I am now pregnant with my baby girl, I
Speaker 1: was ready to revisit that. So I was able to
Speaker 1: kind of pick up where I left off and really
Speaker 1: dive into what it means to teach someone who's pregnant
Speaker 1: and then being able to teach. I have this incredible
Speaker 1: crew of pregnant women right now who are all through
Speaker 1: the trimesters, some who just found out they're pregnants, one
Speaker 1: who actually delivered last week, and it's so cool to
Speaker 1: be on that journey with them and to like not
Speaker 1: only lead them, but to know what their bodies might
Speaker 1: be feeling, what limitations there are. And at the same time,
Speaker 1: every pregnancy and person is so different in what they experience,
Speaker 1: So I always like to start the sessions with like
Speaker 1: just a little check in, like, how is it going
Speaker 1: this week, any new symptoms, any new milestones going on.
Speaker 1: So it's been a really connecting and eye opening experience
Speaker 1: from the student and teacher perspective.
Speaker 2: That's amazing. That is amazing. Both times that I was pregnant,
Speaker 2: I was like, I'm going to do a series while
Speaker 2: I'm pregnant. I had that intent and I declared it,
Speaker 2: and then when pregnancy I was like, no, no way, no,
Speaker 2: I am just looking at my matt. It makes me tired,
Speaker 2: you know, I know, I get it. I get it. Yeah,
Speaker 2: So just huge props to you to do it in
Speaker 2: the moment. That's so cool, and to go through the
Speaker 2: education and the continued learning while you're pregnant and then
Speaker 2: passing it on. So it's amazing. I'm so glad for
Speaker 2: you and I'm sure that these women that you're working
Speaker 2: with are appreciative. Do you and you don't have to
Speaker 2: share if this feels like something that's private to you,
Speaker 2: But do you do you have a birth plan? And
Speaker 2: how do you feel like you envision the birth?
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is something that I recently started thinking about.
Speaker 1: My pelvic floor physical therapist asked me this just yesterday.
Speaker 1: She was like, what's your birth planet? I was like, uh,
Speaker 1: like literally, the only things that I really know for
Speaker 1: certain is that I definitely want to deliver in a hospital.
Speaker 2: I just feel more safe. But I really want.
Speaker 1: To go in unmedicated and as natural as possible, and
Speaker 1: it's going to take a lot of mental training. I've
Speaker 1: already been like, I've been reading the hypno birthing books,
Speaker 1: listening to the audiobole books.
Speaker 2: You read it? Which hypno birthing? The one by sciab
Speaker 2: On or something. I forget her name, it's a blue
Speaker 2: cover and just hypno birthing, Yes, the one I think
Speaker 2: it's Syvon Miller. I'm probably butchering her name, but I
Speaker 2: know what about Yeah, did you do hypno birthing? I did?
Speaker 2: I did with my second and I did do homebirth
Speaker 2: in a water tub, completely unmedicated, which I do not
Speaker 2: recommend to all people. And I'm not saying that in
Speaker 2: the energy of like that's better than another birth. I
Speaker 2: feel like we're such weird energy about births and people feeling,
Speaker 2: you know, like better then because of the way they
Speaker 2: did it, And so I'm not saying that with anything
Speaker 2: other than just factual, like that's what I did and
Speaker 2: where I felt the most safe and empowered, and that's
Speaker 2: ultimately like what you should do.
Speaker 1: And it sounds like you're really connected to that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's amazing. I've always wanted to do a home birth,
Speaker 1: but I'm just too scared.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and if you're scared one hundred percent, don't do it.
Speaker 2: You know it is it is a very scary experience
Speaker 2: because it's something that you were it's a weird because
Speaker 2: it's something that you were designed for. You know, it's
Speaker 2: your god given right and design. But it's also something
Speaker 2: that through media and movies, that has been pictured and
Speaker 2: portrayed being so many different ways. And it's also something
Speaker 2: that's so out of your control, like getting pregnant, where
Speaker 2: it's like your body knows how to do it, and
Speaker 2: in a lot of ways you're just trying to get
Speaker 2: out of the way of it. So yeah, it can
Speaker 2: be very scary because you're like, I don't know what
Speaker 2: it's going to be like, and you just want to
Speaker 2: be safe.
Speaker 1: The whole experience from like trying planning, getting pregnant, moving
Speaker 1: throughout pregnancy. And I'm sure you can correct me if
Speaker 1: I'm wrong, but I'm sure motherhood too, is just a
Speaker 1: lesson in like letting go and like letting it all
Speaker 1: unfold and trusting the process. And it's the yoga teachings
Speaker 1: off the mat really.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And honestly, maybe it's a transition into your next
Speaker 2: zone of genius. Like being a mother feels like creative
Speaker 2: sequencing or intentional when saying in the moment of like
Speaker 2: pivoting in real time of this is the thing that
Speaker 2: needs to be done, and I've said it in this way,
Speaker 2: and I can see that that is not landing in
Speaker 2: your brain. That way's not working. So I need to Taylor,
Speaker 2: how I'm teaching you to keep this train moving to
Speaker 2: like be productive. And then just as far as like
Speaker 2: maintaining your own equanimity. It really is, Charlotte, the most
Speaker 2: challenging yoga pos I have held yet. Ah is parenting
Speaker 2: in the sense of just like keeping your composure, staying compassionate,
Speaker 2: like trying to see it through their eyes, and yeah,
Speaker 2: just staying calm and letting them have their feels when
Speaker 2: their feels are irrational and out of proportion. I mean,
Speaker 2: I'm a toddler mom, so two and a half, like
Speaker 2: in the thick of charitable twos, but when they're a squishy,
Speaker 2: little newborn blob like my eight month old, he is perfect.
Speaker 2: I love him so much. He just smiles at me
Speaker 2: and it's great. So I'm teasing, of course, like apparently
Speaker 2: is amazing, but yeah, it definitely, it definitely is so
Speaker 2: online as far as what I see and probably what
Speaker 2: most people see is everything that you share around sequencing
Speaker 2: and what you have titled foreshadowing. We actually side note.
Speaker 2: We both were a part of Adrian Jarrett's All Matt's
Speaker 2: Taken convention. I guess that's what maybe like online convention
Speaker 2: and yeah, yeah, so both kind of sharing within that
Speaker 2: and one of your topics was on this. So for
Speaker 2: my listeners maybe who are completely haven't really seen this
Speaker 2: or this would be an introduction for them, what is
Speaker 2: this and how do you feel like it elevates your teaching.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So foreshadowing is a technique in sequencing where you
Speaker 1: introduce little, small, bite sized pieces of what's coming later
Speaker 1: earlier on in class as a way to prepare students
Speaker 1: to kind of like tease something that's coming. And a
Speaker 1: lot of times people will say that's the same thing
Speaker 1: as warming up the body, and to that, I'll say,
Speaker 1: foreshadowing is different than warming up the body, but foreshadowing
Speaker 1: does warm up the body. So we're definitely like getting
Speaker 1: our students physically ready for something that's coming later, but
Speaker 1: at the same time, we're like teasing what's coming later,
Speaker 1: like a little mini version of what's coming later. So
Speaker 1: where let's say the pose half moon, for example, warming
Speaker 1: up your students for half moon can involve opening up
Speaker 1: your hamstrings, opening up your hips, opening up your heart,
Speaker 1: but a foreshadow for half moon would be a mini
Speaker 1: half moon, so half moon on the knee.
Speaker 2: So that, like.
Speaker 1: A foreshadowing is a technique that I use in every
Speaker 1: single class that I sequence because I really think it
Speaker 1: helps keep students engaged and connected to their practice and
Speaker 1: also gives them this opportunity in this moment to have
Speaker 1: like an aha moment, right when we get towards the
Speaker 1: end of class, when they're in that bigger version of
Speaker 1: a pose and they're like, oh my gosh, I did
Speaker 1: this before, or I know where we're going, or I
Speaker 1: can anticipate what's happening next. It really gives this sense
Speaker 1: of confidence to our students. And I could talk about
Speaker 1: the benefits of foreshadowing all day long. I mean, there
Speaker 1: are benefits for students, there are benefits for teachers. One
Speaker 1: of the big reasons I love it is because it
Speaker 1: helps us save time queuing. Because when we're queuing a
Speaker 1: mini version of something, there are a lot of similarities.
Speaker 1: So when we set the foundation and we cue the
Speaker 1: mini version in the warm up of class slower maybe
Speaker 1: five breaths we spend in this one shape. Later on,
Speaker 1: when we're moving faster, whether that's two three breaths, propose,
Speaker 1: they already know the foundation, so we don't have to
Speaker 1: remind them. Roll your right shoulder back, you know, lock
Speaker 1: in with your left arm, stabilize yourself. We can cue
Speaker 1: those nuances. So it definitely saves time. It helps us.
Speaker 1: It helps I know me if I name something in
Speaker 1: the beginning, right, if I teach them a little mini
Speaker 1: transition and I say, we're going to call this airbender
Speaker 1: arms and then we revisit it later and I'll say,
Speaker 1: find your airbender ARMS. I just saved myself two minutes
Speaker 1: of queueing and introducing. So that's one of the biggest
Speaker 1: benefits of foreshadowing from a teacher perspective.
Speaker 2: And I also think it.
Speaker 1: Just creates this sense of trust between student and teacher,
Speaker 1: because when you use a skill like foreshadowing, students recognize
Speaker 1: that there was intention behind the entire class. So I'm
Speaker 1: sure we've all been to a class. I'm sure we've
Speaker 1: taught classes where we come in, we don't have a plan,
Speaker 1: and it's kind of just like throwing things to the
Speaker 1: students and seeing.
Speaker 2: Kind of what unfolds.
Speaker 1: Versus when you come in with a plan and you
Speaker 1: teach something intentionally in the beginning and you revisit it later,
Speaker 1: the students have this light bulb that goes off that says, Oh,
Speaker 1: my teacher cares. My teacher put the time and attention
Speaker 1: into this experience curated for me before class even started,
Speaker 1: and because of that, I trust my teacher more so.
Speaker 1: It's I just love this skill so much.
Speaker 2: Oh well said, And I completely agree I love it,
Speaker 2: love it, love it, and I know that so many
Speaker 2: people come to you and feel supported by you and
Speaker 2: your work. I do something similar, but from a slightly
Speaker 2: different vantage point. It's something that I call theme weaving,
Speaker 2: and it's this idea of using it's kind of like
Speaker 2: a dharma talk or like a dharma it's infusing insights
Speaker 2: and inspiration into the class, but doing it in a
Speaker 2: way where it's introduced early and then referred back to often,
Speaker 2: so same same concept of it does make your teaching
Speaker 2: feel so much more intentional and on purpose when it's
Speaker 2: presented at the beginning, whether it's like what you're saying
Speaker 2: or what you're teaching someone, it's like, we're doing this
Speaker 2: on purpose, you know, and it doesn't feel as much
Speaker 2: like an afterthought or like it's trying to be squeezed
Speaker 2: in later. So I think that's that's amazing and probably
Speaker 2: just an easy way that people can get started, you know,
Speaker 2: is contrary to popular belief or like if you're wanting
Speaker 2: to you know, weave in more intentional sequencing or thoughtful
Speaker 2: ideas is to not do it at the end, but
Speaker 2: to do it just like right at the very beginning,
Speaker 2: so that it does automatically shift it to feel a
Speaker 2: little more intentional and on purpose as opposed to as opposed.
Speaker 1: To an afterthought. Oh yeah, one thousand percent. It's so
Speaker 1: good for the students and for the teachers.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah. So do you feel like when you're class
Speaker 2: planning and when you approach teaching that it starts with
Speaker 2: the sequencing and then everything else falls into place around
Speaker 2: that for you? Is that your process or It's funny,
Speaker 2: I have like five different processes, and it all depends
Speaker 2: on like what happens when I get to my mat
Speaker 2: Sometimes I'll have an idea of, you know, a pose
Speaker 2: that I want to do later on, and I'll start
Speaker 2: with like the physical foreshadowing. Other times I'll have an idea.
Speaker 1: Of the philosophical theme like you were just talking about,
Speaker 1: and I'll kind of create the physical based on that philosophy.
Speaker 1: So it really all depends. But I think if I
Speaker 1: could boil it down to a simple process, it would
Speaker 1: be starting with a spark of inspiration, whether that spark
Speaker 1: of inspiration is physical, is philosophical, whatever it may be.
Speaker 1: Maybe it's a playlist that's the spark of inspiration. But
Speaker 1: I usually just have something that I know I'm going
Speaker 1: to riff off of and then get to the yoga
Speaker 1: mat and just kind of see what unfolds.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, beautiful. And I think that that's so spacious
Speaker 2: so that all different people of constitutions, proclivities, propensities like
Speaker 2: feel like they have a place that they can start
Speaker 2: that's authentic to them. For me, it is always the message,
Speaker 2: and like the philosophy side is usually the first thing
Speaker 2: that sparks me and I build from. But then I
Speaker 2: also once I have that mapped out, I try to think,
Speaker 2: like how does this message show up in the body
Speaker 2: to make it to combine the two and make it
Speaker 2: feel somatic and seamless together, which is a whole conversation
Speaker 2: that I feel like so many yoga teachers are interested in.
Speaker 2: But by the same token, there's not a lot of
Speaker 2: time rightly, so that can be given to this conversation
Speaker 2: within a two hundred hour container, let alone a three
Speaker 2: hundred hour container. So yeah, that is where I like
Speaker 2: geek out on is like, what's what's your message? And
Speaker 2: how do you say it in a way that's simple
Speaker 2: and also intentionally spaced and place like it's sporadically woven
Speaker 2: throughout the experience without feeling heavy handed, without it feeling
Speaker 2: like this lecture on the front end or the back end,
Speaker 2: or like too intelligent to where it's like two separate
Speaker 2: moments of yoga philosophy, like put on my glasses, grab
Speaker 2: my notes, and more like when you're in the posture,
Speaker 2: how can they feel so married together? So yeah, I know,
Speaker 2: I know you have a lot to say on that too.
Speaker 2: Mm hm oh yeah. My first question to you is
Speaker 2: do you do teach virtually at all? Yeah? Yeah, I
Speaker 2: don't want to take your class. Yeah yeah, I actually
Speaker 2: what I love as a student. Yeah. Yeah, So on
Speaker 2: the podcast today, I dropped a class to practice in
Speaker 2: and was kind of showcasing theme weaving as I understand
Speaker 2: it today in June of twenty twenty six, if you're listening,
Speaker 2: not in real time. But yeah, that's a it's a
Speaker 2: huge love language. I love to receive that, and then
Speaker 2: it's also something that I love to give as best
Speaker 2: as I can. So yeah, that's yeah, that's awesome.
Speaker 1: I'm definitely gonna hop in and take your class because
Speaker 1: I feel like it's a lot a lot of yoga teachers,
Speaker 1: like you said this, this type of teaching isn't covered
Speaker 1: in trainings, and until we go out and we seek
Speaker 1: the training and we start to embody what we learn,
Speaker 1: it's few and far between that teachers are able to
Speaker 1: really marry the two mm.
Speaker 2: And it's what a lot of teachers I've found in
Speaker 2: conversations with teachers, it's why they went went into yoga
Speaker 2: teacher training to start, because they maybe saw their teacher
Speaker 2: doing this. And a lot of teachers have a lot
Speaker 2: on their heart that they want to say, but then
Speaker 2: they get all caught up in their head and they
Speaker 2: trip up on their tongue when it's like time to
Speaker 2: say it, and there's ought to be honest, there's there's
Speaker 2: this process of distilling it down, and you even use
Speaker 2: the word like boiling, boiling it down to what are
Speaker 2: the sutra like sentences that pack a lot of punch
Speaker 2: and say these big ideas but in simple ways that
Speaker 2: children can understand that feel just like every day speak.
Speaker 2: Because sometimes when I'm all up in my yoga teaching study,
Speaker 2: I'm like, well, are these people are not on that page?
Speaker 2: You know? And to sometimes like meet people where they
Speaker 2: are is the next challenge too, of how do I
Speaker 2: teach it in a way that will actually be universal,
Speaker 2: that will actually be relevant, that will actually be applicable
Speaker 2: to a nurse, right, you know, like a human being.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and in a modern human being, like there a
Speaker 1: lot of I mean, these teachings are so rooted in
Speaker 1: thousands and thousands and thousands of years ago that sometimes
Speaker 1: we can open the sutures, we can read something, we're like, okay,
Speaker 1: but how does how does that play out now? So
Speaker 1: to be able to just like have that lens and
Speaker 1: really study from this place of what does this mean?
Speaker 1: How can I how can I teach this to my
Speaker 1: students in a way that will land? It takes a
Speaker 1: lot of effort, and I think that makes a really
Speaker 1: good teacher, right, somebody who's able and willing to put
Speaker 1: in that effort and that time into the craft.
Speaker 2: So I love this. Yeah. Yeah, Well we mentioned the
Speaker 2: word intentional in terms of intentional sequencing, but do you
Speaker 2: feel like there's a difference between intentional sequencing and maybe
Speaker 2: more of the buzzword that's especially on social media, it's
Speaker 2: like a hashtag of creative sequencing. That they are different
Speaker 2: and that they have, you know, different thought processes behind them,
Speaker 2: and if so, what are those? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Absolutely, I think that creative sequencing is is I almost
Speaker 1: want to say, like overused these days. Like I remember,
Speaker 1: it was around twenty twenty around COVID where I started
Speaker 1: saying that I teach creative creatively like I teach creative sequences,
Speaker 1: I teach creative sequences. And at the time, it felt like, Okay,
Speaker 1: this this feels right for me because the moves that
Speaker 1: I add into my sequencing are creative, they're hybrid poses,
Speaker 1: they're you know, moves that I pull for strength training,
Speaker 1: they're different. And then as social media can continue to evolve,
Speaker 1: it's almost like everybody started to say, I teach creatively
Speaker 1: creative sequencing, and this is this buzzphrase now that's popping
Speaker 1: up everywhere. And what I started to see from a
Speaker 1: teacher trainer perspective is a lot of the teachers who
Speaker 1: are I want to say, like advertising creative sequencing are
Speaker 1: really advertising movements that are aesthetically pleasing but maybe not
Speaker 1: so safe, maybe not so intentional, maybe just for Instagram
Speaker 1: or just for social media, just for likes, just for content.
Speaker 1: And when I started to see that shift happen, I
Speaker 1: got I got like the ick with it. I'm like
Speaker 1: creative sequencing, I don't really vibe with that anymore, because
Speaker 1: I vibe.
Speaker 2: With intention behind what we're doing.
Speaker 1: And it is so easy as yoga teachers to get
Speaker 1: excited about a certain move or transition or pose, and
Speaker 1: I'm like this too. I get so excited and then
Speaker 1: I want to throw everything into one class. But when
Speaker 1: we do that, it becomes less intentional and more kind
Speaker 1: of like a dumping ground for creativity, if that makes sense.
Speaker 1: So I think that like intentional sequencing can be creative,
Speaker 1: creative sequencing can be intentional. But there is this almost
Speaker 1: like red flag that pops up with me now in
Speaker 1: the conversation of creative sequencing, just because as teachers, it's
Speaker 1: our main job to look out for our students, and
Speaker 1: if we're teaching something that's just esthetically pleasing and maybe
Speaker 1: not be so stabilizing or so attainable for the general population,
Speaker 1: then we're really not serving our students in that way.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, one hundred pc. It's like creativity just for
Speaker 2: creativity's sake, versus the creativity and the intentionality as almost
Speaker 2: like the preparation and the progression towards something else. I
Speaker 2: think as like the biggest difference, And I think I
Speaker 2: maybe touched on it just a little bit ago too.
Speaker 2: It's like teaching for the student or just like teaching
Speaker 2: for keeping you curious and interested, which is like, yes,
Speaker 2: we as teachers, we do hit. If you've been teaching
Speaker 2: in a while, you will hit some sort of rut
Speaker 2: and you will start to feel like you're like, oh,
Speaker 2: I'm craving to level up, but it's not forgetting at
Speaker 2: the same time that in your not necessarily ascension or
Speaker 2: like you know, evolution, but in your growing, like not
Speaker 2: everybody is also where you're at too, So it's holding
Speaker 2: those and trying to balance that of like meeting, keeping
Speaker 2: the fundamentals, keeping the basics, while also you growing and
Speaker 2: trying to share that with your people because you know
Speaker 2: it's good to do that, but not in a way
Speaker 2: that just like bypasses all the other stuff. Totally. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I know. It's a dance.
Speaker 1: It's a dance to really feel you know, your own growth,
Speaker 1: your own practice, sharing your practice, and also serving the students.
Speaker 1: And sometimes we're going to get it wrong. Sometimes we
Speaker 1: won't realize and we think that we're being really intentional teaching,
Speaker 1: and then we show up to teach and we have
Speaker 1: this class plan and it's like not landing for any
Speaker 1: student in front of us. So then we have to
Speaker 1: instead of stay really rigid and married to the original plan,
Speaker 1: pivot and continue to serve our students and continue to
Speaker 1: think in ways that support them because that's what they're
Speaker 1: there for.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so many, so many times in these conversations with teachers,
Speaker 2: I feel like inspired, But then also you know the
Speaker 2: weight of the responsibility of all how much it is
Speaker 2: like this delicate dance And anyway, I think that you
Speaker 2: paid me such a sweet compliment of practicing online and
Speaker 2: taking online and I really just admire and I'm so
Speaker 2: happy for your success with what you've built with the
Speaker 2: hub and how you can provide for yoga teachers your
Speaker 2: class planning subscription. So same, I'm like, I'm going to
Speaker 2: jump in there and take some stuff and just see
Speaker 2: all the work that you're providing, and I know some
Speaker 2: listeners should as well. How has that I was listening
Speaker 2: just this morning on the Funny Thing about Yoga podcast
Speaker 2: conversation that you had and you were talking about building
Speaker 2: it and launching it in the season of life that
Speaker 2: you were in when you did that. So can you
Speaker 2: share a little bit here about what that is and
Speaker 2: how it feeds and fuels you with what we were
Speaker 2: just talking about of like maintaining and sustaining your connection
Speaker 2: and interest with the practice, but also in service of
Speaker 2: yoga teachers out there. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Absolutely So the Sequencing Hub you've never heard of. It
Speaker 1: is a membership for yoga teachers that provides three things.
Speaker 1: It provides done for you class plans, so ready to teach,
Speaker 1: complete sequences, everything you need, dharmatalk, inspiration that can just
Speaker 1: pop right into your notes app. The second thing it
Speaker 1: provides is inspiration. So I have the Sequencing Lab within
Speaker 1: the Hub, which is kind of like this page of
Speaker 1: three hundred elements to kind of like riff off of
Speaker 1: like little examples of foreshadowing what you could do in
Speaker 1: the warm up, how you could revisit it later in
Speaker 1: the heat building warm up sections, right, just like little
Speaker 1: bite sized pieces as that spark of inspiration that we
Speaker 1: were kind of talking about before when it comes time
Speaker 1: to planning for class. And then it also provides continuing
Speaker 1: education and community, so we do workshops, we do sequencing chats,
Speaker 1: we talk about certain topics in the world of teaching,
Speaker 1: and we just support each other as this beautiful community.
Speaker 1: So it is like it is my pride and enjoy
Speaker 1: this project. It launched in October of twenty twenty four,
Speaker 1: and it has evolved so beautifully ever since, and I
Speaker 1: really feel like I found what I'm meant to do,
Speaker 1: and it's supporting yoga teachers and keeping teaching feeling sustainable.
Speaker 1: Because I've been the teacher who teaches very very part
Speaker 1: time one class a week while working a corporate job,
Speaker 1: and then I've been the teacher who opened a yoga
Speaker 1: studio and teaches seventeen classes a week. There's one thing
Speaker 1: in common, and that's precious time. If we're going to
Speaker 1: teach intentional classes, there has to be time put behind them.
Speaker 1: And so if I have the luxury of the time
Speaker 1: right now in this season of my life, where I
Speaker 1: can get on my mat every week and spend two
Speaker 1: and a half three hours creating a sequence that I
Speaker 1: know ticks all the boxes for the general population, that
Speaker 1: I know has intention behind it every step of the way,
Speaker 1: and I can and deliver that to yoga teachers every
Speaker 1: single week, then I know that I have just saved
Speaker 1: yoga teachers at least two to three hours a week
Speaker 1: in terms of best planning. Now they have something that
Speaker 1: is either ready for them to teach or they can
Speaker 1: mix and match and make it their own. But that
Speaker 1: intention is there, It's rooted and it is supportive for them.
Speaker 1: So yeah, it just I have so much purpose in sequencing.
Speaker 1: And I feel like as yoga teachers, we all have
Speaker 1: our one thing, maybe many, and it sounds like yours
Speaker 1: is like the philosophy, the theming, the weaving, and for me,
Speaker 1: mine is the physical sequencing. It's coming up with what
Speaker 1: blends well together with intention, which is the word of
Speaker 1: the day. For some teachers it's creating playlists. Right, we
Speaker 1: all have our thing. But I'm really finding so much
Speaker 1: value and purpose in helping yoga teachers contain you to
Speaker 1: teach with sustainability and to avoid that burnout.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, one hundred percent. And it looks like you
Speaker 2: love it, and it looks like the people who were
Speaker 2: in it love it, which is just so good to
Speaker 2: see in such a lighthouse for other yoga teachers who
Speaker 2: are just now starting to think, like, wait a minute,
Speaker 2: there's more that I could do outside of the yoga studio,
Speaker 2: Like what do you mean? I could create my own offering,
Speaker 2: or I could create something of my own and build
Speaker 2: my own reputation and legacy or make more money doing
Speaker 2: something else, Like what does that look like? So I'm
Speaker 2: so happy for people to see other examples of this,
Speaker 2: to even just stretch your consciousness of what's possible, and
Speaker 2: to see people doing it number one, but also thriving
Speaker 2: in it. So I'm so glad that's for you, and
Speaker 2: same like same of just I want to share these ideas,
Speaker 2: and that was the heart behind my class planning subscription
Speaker 2: that I call Inspired Flow. It used to be monthly,
Speaker 2: but I actually just changed it to weekly, which is
Speaker 2: delivering the same sort of thing like thematic scripts. That's
Speaker 2: like here's a topic or here's an angle through which
Speaker 2: we're always teaching yoga, but it's like the lens that
Speaker 2: we're teaching yoga through, or in marketing lingo, it's like,
Speaker 2: what's the micro angle of how we're expressing it, Like,
Speaker 2: of course we're always pointing back to yoga and yoga
Speaker 2: thought and philosophy and things, but how can I explain
Speaker 2: it or express it in a way that's slightly different
Speaker 2: for people to see it through many different vantage points.
Speaker 2: That's what I share too. It's like thematic scripts and
Speaker 2: building your class from these ideas and then using that
Speaker 2: to inform the sequencing, using that to inform the playlisting,
Speaker 2: so that it feels really cohesive and connected and intentional,
Speaker 2: and like all of these ideas are coming at you
Speaker 2: from different modalities of like what you're hearing, what the
Speaker 2: teacher is saying. So yeah, I've been doing that. And
Speaker 2: it's also so like, I'm sure how you feel when
Speaker 2: the members inside are just like, this is so supportive
Speaker 2: for me, and this is so helpful for me. And
Speaker 2: I know so many teachers teach a lot of classes
Speaker 2: like you were talking about, so to just get that
Speaker 2: support and that help and it's like we haven't anyway,
Speaker 2: I'm sure that's how you feel. And creating it, it's
Speaker 2: like it's built and I want it to spread wide.
Speaker 2: Why not share? It has kind of been how it's
Speaker 2: felt for me. So there's an angle that I want
Speaker 2: to go with that. But before, I think a lot
Speaker 2: of yoga teachers have an idea of something that they
Speaker 2: want to do. But in the example of like starting
Speaker 2: your hub, and the yoga teacher that's like, I want
Speaker 2: to do this thing. We also in the beginning, before
Speaker 2: we built the thing, we don't realize what all it
Speaker 2: takes behind the scenes to produce that, So can you
Speaker 2: give us a little insight of what that looks like
Speaker 2: on a week to week basis to consistently deliver the
Speaker 2: things that you're promising.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a lot of work. So each week, if
Speaker 1: I have one sequence that drops, it's three hours spent
Speaker 1: on my yoga mat creating the sequence. Then it's testing
Speaker 1: the sequence with at least two of my in person classes,
Speaker 1: so that's two hours of teaching it and making sure
Speaker 1: that it works with the general population. Then it's filming
Speaker 1: the sequence and editing it, which is me voicing over
Speaker 1: the sequence, So that's.
Speaker 2: Probably another hour and a half.
Speaker 1: And then it is polishing up the written plan probably
Speaker 1: takes another forty five minutes. Uploading everything to my platform
Speaker 1: probably takes another hour. So for one class plan, I
Speaker 1: would probably round up. I didn't do the math in
Speaker 1: real time, but I would probably round anywhere from eight
Speaker 1: to ten hours of work and dedication per per sequence. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so it's a lot. And then to you know, share
Speaker 1: little snippets of those on Instagram reels, it takes a
Speaker 1: lot to edit those. I just I started hiring out.
Speaker 1: I have an incredible editing assistant now who I give
Speaker 1: my videos too, and I'm like, please chop these up
Speaker 1: for me so that they're ready to go on reels.
Speaker 1: I found that it was just taking up way too
Speaker 1: much of my time to constantly be editing, So yeah,
Speaker 1: I started to hire out a little bit. And then
Speaker 1: in terms of like keeping up with the community. I
Speaker 1: have fifteen hundred members. I want to know them, I
Speaker 1: want to converse with them. I have emails to answer
Speaker 1: about the platform, and people have questions and people have requests.
Speaker 1: So it really turns out to a full time job.
Speaker 1: It's a lot. It's the rewarding full time job I
Speaker 1: could ever ask for, but it still is work. Yes,
Speaker 1: And I think that's so important for yoga teachers to hear.
Speaker 1: Not to discourage you from doing it, but I think
Speaker 1: to set a realistic expectation, because what you were describing
Speaker 1: is like when you've been that's your like fast version,
Speaker 1: because you've you've set your process, you've done it, you're
Speaker 1: like habitually doing it, so it's like when you're in
Speaker 1: the flow of it, not to mention the learning curve
Speaker 1: of the first couple of times that you're doing it,
Speaker 1: of maybe learning how to use the editing software or
Speaker 1: figuring out like what is the formatting that you're putting
Speaker 1: it in, Like if you're building it on Tanbo, what's
Speaker 1: the template you know? And all that first time stuff
Speaker 1: can be I think the most overwhelming part for people.
Speaker 2: That's then a big deterrent because it feels like a
Speaker 2: big hindrance, an obstacle and inconvenience all the stuff. And
Speaker 2: we think of like the finished product when you have
Speaker 2: the vision or the aspiration to do something, not necessarily
Speaker 2: the production that it takes to make it. And when
Speaker 2: I am working with other yoga teachers of building offers outside,
Speaker 2: I always just encourage them to like really think about
Speaker 2: what's the production, what's the process of it? And do
Speaker 2: you enjoy that? Because that will be more of what
Speaker 2: you were doing as opposed to the like finished product situation.
Speaker 2: So do you have any words of wisdom to offer,
Speaker 2: like for maybe yoga teachers who are thinking about building
Speaker 2: out something similar of a class punning subscription or a
Speaker 2: virtual yoga studio or anything like that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I think you said it so beautifully
Speaker 1: is really think about what goes on behind the scenes,
Speaker 1: Like there is going to be a learning curve, especially
Speaker 1: like sometimes as yoga teachers, we see other yoga teachers
Speaker 1: who seem like they're thriving online in their business, whatever
Speaker 1: that business may be, but we don't see all of
Speaker 1: the little nuances that go on behind the scenes. And
Speaker 1: if you are only wanting to go down this road
Speaker 1: because you love teaching yoga, you just kind of have
Speaker 1: to give yourself that reality check that that's not all
Speaker 1: this will be. Like if you are trying to open
Speaker 1: a virtual yoga studio, you're going to do way more
Speaker 1: than just teach yoga. Virtually, You're going to become an editor.
Speaker 1: You're going to become your technology person, your IT person,
Speaker 1: your marketer, human resources person, like you are going to
Speaker 1: wear so many hats, and ultimately, I believe it is
Speaker 1: so worth it. There's nothing like being your own boss,
Speaker 1: being your own you know, employee, Like there's nothing like
Speaker 1: having your own thing.
Speaker 2: But just know that it's not going to be easy, yeah,
Speaker 2: and that it takes staying connected to the passion and
Speaker 2: your why of it making it worth it. And I
Speaker 2: think that it's hard a lot of yoga teachers, or
Speaker 2: at least this was my experience, and maybe you can
Speaker 2: speak to it like still struggle a little bit with
Speaker 2: the like receiving payment part, the money aspect. They really
Speaker 2: struggle with the marketing side, the promoting side of inviting
Speaker 2: people into their world and into their work for a
Speaker 2: myriad of reasons, but a lot of them being like
Speaker 2: lack of self worth or just embedding or confusing, tangling
Speaker 2: maybe their worth with their work and then starting to
Speaker 2: feel like icky because of that, or like making a
Speaker 2: no means something about them instead of it just being
Speaker 2: like a clean note it's not a good fit like
Speaker 2: for that person. So yeah, it definitely is. It's a
Speaker 2: lot of learning. It's a lot of learning when you're
Speaker 2: kind of endeavoring and doing your own thing. Do you
Speaker 2: feel or I guess I'm curious to know fifteen hundred
Speaker 2: that is amazing. That is amazing and I'm so happy
Speaker 2: for you. Seriously, and with the like drawing attention to
Speaker 2: your membership, is your main way of reaching other people
Speaker 2: through the things that you share on social media? Is
Speaker 2: that how most people find you? Yeah? Yeah, I've spent
Speaker 2: zero dollars in advertising, so it's been Yeah, that is
Speaker 2: amazing and kind of a unicorn situation for people, as
Speaker 2: like we all need to look at it and be like,
Speaker 2: that's awesome. I'm so glad, but that is not the
Speaker 2: current the usual route for people. So saying it for
Speaker 2: people to keep it real too, of like wondering why
Speaker 2: maybe it's not working for you, of like that's an
Speaker 2: incredible but a unicorn too. Well.
Speaker 1: I also should mention that social media I would consider
Speaker 1: more the funnel. So people are finding me, discovering me
Speaker 1: through social media, then I'm getting them to my email list,
Speaker 1: and usually the sales happen the conversions happen through email,
Speaker 1: which you know, is that's another thing that people have
Speaker 1: to learn too. Emails is very important. But yeah, it's
Speaker 1: it's definitely. I feel very very lucky and grateful for
Speaker 1: what social media has given to me. And it's you know,
Speaker 1: I didn't even have the idea for the sequencing hub
Speaker 1: until I started to look at my metrics on Instagram
Speaker 1: and I was noticing how many saves I was getting
Speaker 1: for these reels that were that I was saying, save
Speaker 1: save this real to teach, or save this sequence to teach.
Speaker 1: I was getting thousands of saves, and I was like, Okay,
Speaker 1: this data just tells me that teachers are saving this
Speaker 1: because they're teaching it. How can I make this easier
Speaker 1: for them? How can I now deliver the written out sequence?
Speaker 1: How can I make it sustainable for me too? So
Speaker 1: I'm I'm eternally grateful for social media for the reach
Speaker 1: and the insight.
Speaker 2: To you know, what it gives me. Yeah, yeah, that's absolutely.
Speaker 2: And I think that you do such a great job
Speaker 2: of using the work that you're doing inside your paid
Speaker 2: programs or your paid spaces and then taking like little
Speaker 2: clips of that or little appetizers from or make from
Speaker 2: that main meal, making a little appetizer, and that that's
Speaker 2: the social media thing that you're sharing, so that it
Speaker 2: feels a little more like integrated and seamless for you. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and that it's less work because I think, especially when
Speaker 2: I'm working with other yoga teachers, it's like they think
Speaker 2: of theirs social media as one thing, one type of content,
Speaker 2: and then their paid work a different type of thing.
Speaker 2: And it's like, how do we pull from the paid
Speaker 2: work to the free or like the places where people
Speaker 2: are discovering us and finding us so that it feels
Speaker 2: easier and it also creates this more like seamless pathway
Speaker 2: for that person who's watching it.
Speaker 1: You know, it like a align and it's not this
Speaker 1: weird hiccup thing. Yeah, yeah, I mean going back to
Speaker 1: the skill of foreshadowing and yoga. That's essentially what that's
Speaker 1: the kind of the business plan. It's like you're giving
Speaker 1: a little bite sized piece on social and then if
Speaker 1: they want the whole thing, they want that heat building section,
Speaker 1: they go to the paid program.
Speaker 2: So it builds trust.
Speaker 1: You know, giving a little bit away for free, I
Speaker 1: think is so worth it for yoga teachers who are
Speaker 1: trying to launch their own thing, because that's how we
Speaker 1: build trust with our students, with our clients, customers, whoever
Speaker 1: it may be that you're serving. But giving those giving
Speaker 1: that value away and yeah, just building those relationships I
Speaker 1: think is so important.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, and then to maybe hopefully this helps somebody,
Speaker 2: you know, offers a little more. It's like when they're
Speaker 2: thinking about, oh what do I post on socials? Like
Speaker 2: I know, I need to be making a presence on
Speaker 2: socials that ultimately drives traffic to this other thing. Well,
Speaker 2: it's it's pulling like from what you're doing already with
Speaker 2: your people. Yeah, and like, yeah, just not not thinking
Speaker 2: that they're so separate is so helpful for me at least.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, because you don't have like a whole, separate,
Speaker 1: part time job in your mind. That is Instagram where
Speaker 1: you have to come up with or social media that
Speaker 1: where you have to come up with all new ideas.
Speaker 1: It's like, no, just do what you're already doing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, just do do what you're already doing. We're smarter,
Speaker 2: not harder. Yes, yes, And I love that you brought
Speaker 2: it back to the foreshadowing because that really is what
Speaker 2: it is. You are just so inspiring and so inspiring,
Speaker 2: and it's so good to finally chat with you about
Speaker 2: all of this. When is your due date? Mid September?
Speaker 2: Mid September? My second son was born September eighteenth. Oh yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm due the fifteenth, so we'll see. I could have
Speaker 2: an eighteenth What if? That will be so incredible if
Speaker 2: that happens, Because actually, do you mind me asking we
Speaker 2: can trim this out if you are like, don't actually
Speaker 2: post that. But how old are you? I'm thirty three,
Speaker 2: you're thirty three? Okay? So I just turned thirty four
Speaker 2: in December and then I turned yeah yeah, so around
Speaker 2: the same age. I was like, I feel like there's
Speaker 2: a lot of similarities there, and I will just absolutely
Speaker 2: keel over and die if you have your baby on
Speaker 2: the eighteenth, that would be amazing. Yes, yes, it really will.
Speaker 2: My husband was actually his birthday is September seventeenth, so
Speaker 2: on his birthday we were like, is he about to
Speaker 2: steal your thunder? Are you guys going to share a
Speaker 2: birthday friends? Yeah?
Speaker 1: So.
Speaker 2: Funnily enough, I did learn that a lot the most
Speaker 2: popular d date is that week of like September tenth
Speaker 2: through the twentieth. I think because it's like Christmas and
Speaker 2: New Year's baby. Everybody's getting down around Christmas. Yep, that's
Speaker 2: so interesting. It's so crazy how many people I know
Speaker 2: are expecting in September. It's like, it really is. It's
Speaker 2: I don't doubt that statistic for a minute. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: it's so true. So enjoy just the rest of the
Speaker 2: second trimester. It really is like the honeymoon phase of pregnancy.
Speaker 2: And I'm so excited to just keep up with you
Speaker 2: in your third trimester and just thank you so much
Speaker 2: for everything that you shared with my community here. If
Speaker 2: they are loving everything that you're saying and they want
Speaker 2: to know more about how to connect with you and
Speaker 2: take a peek at the hub. Can you let them
Speaker 2: know how they can do that? Absolutely? So they can
Speaker 2: find me on Instagram at Breathe Underscore Strength and then
Speaker 2: my website is Breathe Strength Wellness and that has all
Speaker 2: the info with my studio, my online studio and the
Speaker 2: sequencing hub. Cool. Cool, Well, thank you so much, Charlotte.
Speaker 2: Thank you. This was so fun. Yes, yes it was,
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