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<v Speaker 1>Students recognize that there was intention behind the entire class.

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<v Speaker 1>So I'm sure we've all been to a class. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>sure we've taught classes where we come in we don't

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<v Speaker 1>have a plan and it's kind of just like throwing

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<v Speaker 1>things to the students and seeing kind of what unfolds.

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<v Speaker 1>Versus when you come in with a plan and you

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<v Speaker 1>teach something intentionally in the beginning and you revisit it later,

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<v Speaker 1>the students have this light bulb that goes off that says, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>my teacher cares. My teacher put the time and attention

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<v Speaker 1>into this experience curated for me.

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<v Speaker 2>What's up, everybody, and welcome back to NYYT where you

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<v Speaker 2>are learning to level up your yoga teaching one masterful

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<v Speaker 2>class at a time. This episode is called creative versus

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<v Speaker 2>Intentional sequencing and how foreshadowing fixes it With Charlotte Muller,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm giggling because I've tried to record this unique intro

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<v Speaker 2>about twelve times now. There's a very long, very medical

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<v Speaker 2>sounding name that I just cannot pronounce in this, but

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to give it my best. Go wish me luck.

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<v Speaker 2>Charlotte is a yoga teacher, studio owner, and yoga teacher

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<v Speaker 2>trainer with a sweet spot for intentional sequencing. She is

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<v Speaker 2>the founder of the Breathe Strength Sequencing Hub, a membership

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<v Speaker 2>for yoga teachers to support class planning and continued education.

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<v Speaker 2>Her teaching experience began in twenty twelve after turning to exercise, yoga,

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<v Speaker 2>and overall wellness to navigate her genetic condition. Here it

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<v Speaker 2>comes fingers crossed familial hypercholesterolomia not bad. While grieving the

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<v Speaker 2>loss of her mom, Yoga has shaped the way she

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<v Speaker 2>lives her life, and helping other teachers have sustainable teaching

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<v Speaker 2>careers fills her heart. I had an amazing time chatting

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<v Speaker 2>with her and we really dove into what exactly is

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<v Speaker 2>intentional sequencing and her concept of foreshadowing the art of

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<v Speaker 2>introducing ideas, movements, and transitions early so that students feel prepared, confident,

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<v Speaker 2>and connected throughout the entire class experience. We chatted about

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<v Speaker 2>why students can feel when a class was thoughtfully prepared,

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<v Speaker 2>technique Charlotte uses in every single class that she teaches,

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<v Speaker 2>how a tiny preview early in the class can create

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<v Speaker 2>a major aha moment later, why intentional sequencing creates trust

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<v Speaker 2>between teacher and student, How philosophy, theming and sequencing can

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<v Speaker 2>work together instead of competing for attention, and how pregnancy

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<v Speaker 2>completely change Charlotte's relationship with movement, queuing, and teaching. Whether

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<v Speaker 2>you're a newer teacher trying to plan better classes or

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<v Speaker 2>a seasoned teacher looking to refine your craft, this conversation

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<v Speaker 2>will help you think differently about how classes are built

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<v Speaker 2>and why even the smallest moments often create the biggest impact.

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<v Speaker 2>I love this conversation with Charlotte, and I know you

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<v Speaker 2>will too, So turn it up and let's dive in.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey Yogi's Mackenzie fly Here Mom, yoga prineer, teacher, trainer,

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<v Speaker 2>retreat leader, and your guide to master your yoga teaching.

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<v Speaker 2>What's up, everybody, and welcome back to m yyt I

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<v Speaker 2>am so stoked for today's guest. Welcome, Welcome to Charlotte Muller.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you for being on the podcast. Of course, thanks

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<v Speaker 2>for having me. I can't wait to dive in with you.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes we are, I was saying before we clicked record.

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<v Speaker 2>It feels like, at least from my perspective, that there's

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<v Speaker 2>some common similarities and just a a similar call on

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<v Speaker 2>our heart to serve the same type of people being

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<v Speaker 2>yoga teachers. So I have so many things that I

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<v Speaker 2>want to pick your brain about today. The first which

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<v Speaker 2>in some ways I'm slapping my own wrists because my

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<v Speaker 2>biggest pet peeve during both of my pregnancies was when

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<v Speaker 2>anybody asked me how are you feeling? But because it

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<v Speaker 2>happens all the time, you know when you're pregnant and

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<v Speaker 2>people are asking you how you're feeling. But I would

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<v Speaker 2>like to know if you're open to sharing just how

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<v Speaker 2>your pregnancy is going and how things are feeling, literally

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<v Speaker 2>in your body or just energetically. Yeah, so how how

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<v Speaker 2>are you feeling?

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<v Speaker 1>Absolutely I never get sick of this question, so feel

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<v Speaker 1>free to ask it a million times in this podcast.

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<v Speaker 2>I feel amazing.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm twenty five weeks along, so three more weeks of

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<v Speaker 1>the second trimester, and I just have so much energy

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm so grateful and I have no aches and pains.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like, this is a pregnancy straight from heaven, and

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<v Speaker 1>I just feel really grateful every day. It's been a

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<v Speaker 1>journey to get here. It took me a while, had

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<v Speaker 1>some loss, so I think that just like the trouble

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<v Speaker 1>and the journey, just makes it even that much sweeter

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<v Speaker 1>and makes me appreciate all of the little moments. So

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<v Speaker 1>I'm feeling so good, I'm feeling so grateful.

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<v Speaker 2>Good. Oh, I'm so glad to hear it. And I'm

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<v Speaker 2>glad that that question doesn't annoy you. In both of

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<v Speaker 2>my pregnancies, and I also had a couple losses before

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<v Speaker 2>it actually took and I remember just being so blindsided

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<v Speaker 2>with the whole process of getting pregnant and frustrate man

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<v Speaker 2>talk about like releasing control, and I didn't really realize

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<v Speaker 2>how not necessarily type A, but how much I wanted

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<v Speaker 2>to control the situation, and how when it wasn't happening

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<v Speaker 2>when I wanted it to happen, how consuming thoughts of

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<v Speaker 2>becoming pregnant are, and how obsessive you can get during

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<v Speaker 2>that time. So I'm just feeling for you, empathizing for

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<v Speaker 2>you you and your journey, and also wanting to speak

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<v Speaker 2>to anybody who's maybe navigating that currently and how sensitive

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<v Speaker 2>you feel and all of a sudden, I mean obviously

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<v Speaker 2>this like particulator reticulating activator system inside of when you

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<v Speaker 2>want to be pregnant, then all you see is pregnant

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<v Speaker 2>people and all this stuff and you just feel I

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<v Speaker 2>felt like this open wound walking around that was so

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<v Speaker 2>sensitive that my heart. You know, it felt like even

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<v Speaker 2>if a fly landed on me, I'd be like, oh yeah, so,

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<v Speaker 2>just wanting to send some love to people who have

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<v Speaker 2>experienced that, and you too. I felt so sick though

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<v Speaker 2>during both of my pregnancies. However, because of dealing with loss,

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<v Speaker 2>it ended up being very comforting to me that I

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<v Speaker 2>was actually pregnant and things were going well and I

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<v Speaker 2>was having the right pregnancy hormones too. So while I

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<v Speaker 2>was happy, I was also so sick.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I totally feel that, Like I kind of had

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<v Speaker 1>the opposite experience during my first time master. I felt

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<v Speaker 1>so normal and so good, and that gave me spirals

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<v Speaker 1>of anxiety. Yeah, I'm very grateful to feel physically good,

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<v Speaker 1>but this physical good feeling is totally messing with my

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<v Speaker 1>mental so I get it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, one hundred percent. My first I carried all the

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<v Speaker 2>way until twelve weeks, and then went in for the

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<v Speaker 2>twelve week appointment, and they basically were like, I'm so sorry,

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<v Speaker 2>there's no heartbeat. And the whole time I remember being like,

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<v Speaker 2>feeling good about that. So I feel like I also

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<v Speaker 2>would have been anxious the second time around if I

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<v Speaker 2>wouldn't have been feeling well because of the experience. So yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm so glad to hear that. And congratulations, you're having

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<v Speaker 2>a girl, right girl? Yep? Yeah, how do you feel?

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<v Speaker 2>Were you hoping for any gender?

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<v Speaker 1>I mean I think secretly I wanted a girl, as

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I would have been so so happy, especially

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<v Speaker 1>given the whole journey with girl or boy. But just

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<v Speaker 1>when the moment that my husband Russ and I cut

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<v Speaker 1>into that cake and we said, put strawberries in. If

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<v Speaker 1>straw I saw a strawberry lost it. I was just like,

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<v Speaker 1>that's the most magical feeling in the world. Also, because

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<v Speaker 1>I had lost my mom when she was fifty one,

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<v Speaker 1>of just missing that mother daughter connection and knowing that

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<v Speaker 1>it's on its way and it's already here and I

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<v Speaker 1>can feel her moving. It is such a special it's

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<v Speaker 1>such a special feeling, and I always feel like it's

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<v Speaker 1>a gift or she's a gift from my mom.

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<v Speaker 2>Ah, that is so beautiful. That is so beautiful, and

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<v Speaker 2>I'm so happy for you. Just amazing. I have two boys,

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<v Speaker 2>so boy mom through and through, and I have the

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<v Speaker 2>prayer is for a girl. However, I am scared to

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<v Speaker 2>try in and get the third boy. Everybody's like, what

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<v Speaker 2>if you did get a third boy? And I'm just like,

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<v Speaker 2>oh god, I don't know, but do have prayers for

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<v Speaker 2>a girl. And my husband's like are you sure, Like

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<v Speaker 2>are we really about to try for a third And

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<v Speaker 2>I'm like it's already a circus over year, Like it

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<v Speaker 2>is so crazy. Why not add more? Yeah? Why not

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<v Speaker 2>not add more? Exactly? So, I mean, I feel like

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<v Speaker 2>I've seen a couple things that you've posted about doing

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<v Speaker 2>a pregnancy series. Do you feel like in particular pregnancy

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<v Speaker 2>has changed your practice? First, and then also do you

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<v Speaker 2>feel more confident teaching to pregnant people. Now that you

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<v Speaker 2>have directly experienced it yourself.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh absolutely, yeah. I mean just from how pregnancy has

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<v Speaker 1>changed my personal practice, it is it is like night

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<v Speaker 1>before pregnancy, and like right, it's like I was like

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<v Speaker 1>I could do all of these and I'm not super

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not so super flexible as a yoga teacher, but

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<v Speaker 1>like just having the strength and the ability to move

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<v Speaker 1>my body in certain ways now that I have a

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<v Speaker 1>big belly, I'm like, this is really eye opening to

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<v Speaker 1>how other people practic as pregnant or not, but how

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<v Speaker 1>other people are able to move their bodies are not.

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<v Speaker 1>And like I've been in the teaching world for I

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<v Speaker 1>want to say fourteen years now, and I've seen so

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<v Speaker 1>many different types of people, watched people move, But until

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<v Speaker 1>I felt in my own body, I really had no

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<v Speaker 1>idea how different practice could feel depending on how your

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<v Speaker 1>body moves. So it's been a really eye opening experience,

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<v Speaker 1>one that I'm really really grateful for because I feel like,

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<v Speaker 1>kind of similarly with getting injured as a yoga teacher,

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like these changes in our own bodies make

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<v Speaker 1>us more aware of what people might need to hear

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<v Speaker 1>what types of cues will serve different people better, and

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<v Speaker 1>just more options, more variations within practice.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's been.

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<v Speaker 1>Really cool and different, and I'm definitely noticing that like

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<v Speaker 1>spike and resting heart rate, I get out of breath easily,

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<v Speaker 1>So even just from the stamina perspective, it's really interesting.

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<v Speaker 1>It's really different and being a prenatal yoga teacher. I

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<v Speaker 1>only started teaching prenatal after I have become pregnant, so

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<v Speaker 1>this is a recent endeavor for me. With my first

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<v Speaker 1>pregnancy that ended in loss, I started my prenatal certification

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<v Speaker 1>and then once I lost that pregnancy, I was like,

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<v Speaker 1>I want nothing to do with this, so I put

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<v Speaker 1>it to the side. I was like, I'm not interested.

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<v Speaker 1>And then a year and a half later, that's finally

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<v Speaker 1>when I am now pregnant with my baby girl, I

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<v Speaker 1>was ready to revisit that. So I was able to

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<v Speaker 1>dive into what it means to teach someone who's pregnant

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<v Speaker 1>and then being able to teach. I have this incredible

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<v Speaker 1>crew of pregnant women right now who are all through

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<v Speaker 1>the trimesters, some who just found out they're pregnants, one

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<v Speaker 1>who actually delivered last week, and it's so cool to

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<v Speaker 1>be on that journey with them and to like not

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<v Speaker 1>only lead them, but to know what their bodies might

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<v Speaker 1>be feeling, what limitations there are. And at the same time,

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<v Speaker 1>every pregnancy and person is so different in what they experience,

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<v Speaker 1>So it's been a really connecting and eye opening experience

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<v Speaker 2>That's amazing. That is amazing. Both times that I was pregnant,

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<v Speaker 2>I was like, I'm going to do a series while

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<v Speaker 2>So just huge props to you to do it in

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<v Speaker 2>the moment. That's so cool, and to go through the

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<v Speaker 2>education and the continued learning while you're pregnant and then

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<v Speaker 2>passing it on. So it's amazing. I'm so glad for

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<v Speaker 2>you and I'm sure that these women that you're working

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<v Speaker 2>with are appreciative. Do you and you don't have to

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<v Speaker 2>share if this feels like something that's private to you,

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<v Speaker 2>But do you do you have a birth plan? And

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, this is something that I recently started thinking about.

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<v Speaker 2>I just feel more safe. But I really want.

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<v Speaker 1>To go in unmedicated and as natural as possible, and

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<v Speaker 1>it's going to take a lot of mental training. I've

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<v Speaker 1>already been like, I've been reading the hypno birthing books,

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<v Speaker 2>You read it? Which hypno birthing? The one by sciab

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<v Speaker 2>cover and just hypno birthing, Yes, the one I think

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<v Speaker 2>it's Syvon Miller. I'm probably butchering her name, but I

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<v Speaker 2>know what about Yeah, did you do hypno birthing? I did?

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<v Speaker 2>in a water tub, completely unmedicated, which I do not

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<v Speaker 2>recommend to all people. And I'm not saying that in

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<v Speaker 2>the energy of like that's better than another birth. I

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<v Speaker 2>feel like we're such weird energy about births and people feeling,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, like better then because of the way they

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<v Speaker 2>did it, And so I'm not saying that with anything

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<v Speaker 2>other than just factual, like that's what I did and

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<v Speaker 2>where I felt the most safe and empowered, and that's

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<v Speaker 2>ultimately like what you should do.

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<v Speaker 1>And it sounds like you're really connected to that. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that's amazing. I've always wanted to do a home birth,

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<v Speaker 1>but I'm just too scared.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and if you're scared one hundred percent, don't do it.

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<v Speaker 2>You know it is it is a very scary experience

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<v Speaker 2>because it's something that you were it's a weird because

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<v Speaker 2>it's something that you were designed for. You know, it's

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<v Speaker 2>your god given right and design. But it's also something

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<v Speaker 2>that through media and movies, that has been pictured and

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<v Speaker 2>portrayed being so many different ways. And it's also something

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<v Speaker 2>that's so out of your control, like getting pregnant, where

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<v Speaker 2>in a lot of ways you're just trying to get

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<v Speaker 2>out of the way of it. So yeah, it can

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<v Speaker 2>be very scary because you're like, I don't know what

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<v Speaker 1>The whole experience from like trying planning, getting pregnant, moving

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<v Speaker 1>throughout pregnancy. And I'm sure you can correct me if

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<v Speaker 1>I'm wrong, but I'm sure motherhood too, is just a

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<v Speaker 1>lesson in like letting go and like letting it all

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<v Speaker 1>unfold and trusting the process. And it's the yoga teachings

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<v Speaker 1>off the mat really.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And honestly, maybe it's a transition into your next

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<v Speaker 2>zone of genius. Like being a mother feels like creative

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<v Speaker 2>sequencing or intentional when saying in the moment of like

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<v Speaker 2>pivoting in real time of this is the thing that

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<v Speaker 2>needs to be done, and I've said it in this way,

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<v Speaker 2>and I can see that that is not landing in

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<v Speaker 2>your brain. That way's not working. So I need to Taylor,

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<v Speaker 2>how I'm teaching you to keep this train moving to

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<v Speaker 2>like be productive. And then just as far as like

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<v Speaker 2>maintaining your own equanimity. It really is, Charlotte, the most

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<v Speaker 2>challenging yoga pos I have held yet. Ah is parenting

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<v Speaker 2>in the sense of just like keeping your composure, staying compassionate,

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<v Speaker 2>like trying to see it through their eyes, and yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>just staying calm and letting them have their feels when

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<v Speaker 2>their feels are irrational and out of proportion. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm a toddler mom, so two and a half, like

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<v Speaker 2>in the thick of charitable twos, but when they're a squishy,

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<v Speaker 2>little newborn blob like my eight month old, he is perfect.

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<v Speaker 2>I love him so much. He just smiles at me

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<v Speaker 2>and it's great. So I'm teasing, of course, like apparently

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<v Speaker 2>is amazing, but yeah, it definitely, it definitely is so

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<v Speaker 2>online as far as what I see and probably what

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<v Speaker 2>most people see is everything that you share around sequencing

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<v Speaker 2>and what you have titled foreshadowing. We actually side note.

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<v Speaker 2>We both were a part of Adrian Jarrett's All Matt's

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<v Speaker 2>Taken convention. I guess that's what maybe like online convention

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<v Speaker 2>and yeah, yeah, so both kind of sharing within that

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<v Speaker 2>and one of your topics was on this. So for

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<v Speaker 2>my listeners maybe who are completely haven't really seen this

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<v Speaker 2>or this would be an introduction for them, what is

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<v Speaker 2>this and how do you feel like it elevates your teaching.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So foreshadowing is a technique in sequencing where you

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<v Speaker 1>introduce little, small, bite sized pieces of what's coming later

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<v Speaker 1>earlier on in class as a way to prepare students

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<v Speaker 1>to kind of like tease something that's coming. And a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of times people will say that's the same thing

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<v Speaker 1>as warming up the body, and to that, I'll say,

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<v Speaker 1>foreshadowing is different than warming up the body, but foreshadowing

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<v Speaker 1>does warm up the body. So we're definitely like getting

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<v Speaker 1>our students physically ready for something that's coming later, but

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<v Speaker 1>at the same time, we're like teasing what's coming later,

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<v Speaker 1>like a little mini version of what's coming later. So

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<v Speaker 1>where let's say the pose half moon, for example, warming

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<v Speaker 1>up your students for half moon can involve opening up

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<v Speaker 1>your hamstrings, opening up your hips, opening up your heart,

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<v Speaker 1>but a foreshadow for half moon would be a mini

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<v Speaker 1>half moon, so half moon on the knee.

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<v Speaker 2>So that, like.

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<v Speaker 1>A foreshadowing is a technique that I use in every

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<v Speaker 1>single class that I sequence because I really think it

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<v Speaker 1>helps keep students engaged and connected to their practice and

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<v Speaker 1>also gives them this opportunity in this moment to have

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<v Speaker 1>like an aha moment, right when we get towards the

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<v Speaker 1>end of class, when they're in that bigger version of

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<v Speaker 1>a pose and they're like, oh my gosh, I did

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<v Speaker 1>this before, or I know where we're going, or I

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<v Speaker 1>can anticipate what's happening next. It really gives this sense

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<v Speaker 1>of confidence to our students. And I could talk about

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<v Speaker 1>the benefits of foreshadowing all day long. I mean, there

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<v Speaker 1>are benefits for students, there are benefits for teachers. One

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<v Speaker 1>of the big reasons I love it is because it

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<v Speaker 1>helps us save time queuing. Because when we're queuing a

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<v Speaker 1>mini version of something, there are a lot of similarities.

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<v Speaker 1>So when we set the foundation and we cue the

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<v Speaker 1>mini version in the warm up of class slower maybe

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<v Speaker 1>five breaths we spend in this one shape. Later on,

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<v Speaker 1>when we're moving faster, whether that's two three breaths, propose,

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<v Speaker 1>they already know the foundation, so we don't have to

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<v Speaker 1>remind them. Roll your right shoulder back, you know, lock

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<v Speaker 1>in with your left arm, stabilize yourself. We can cue

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<v Speaker 1>those nuances. So it definitely saves time. It helps us.

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<v Speaker 1>It helps I know me if I name something in

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<v Speaker 1>the beginning, right, if I teach them a little mini

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<v Speaker 1>transition and I say, we're going to call this airbender

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<v Speaker 1>arms and then we revisit it later and I'll say,

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<v Speaker 1>find your airbender ARMS. I just saved myself two minutes

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<v Speaker 1>of queueing and introducing. So that's one of the biggest

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<v Speaker 1>benefits of foreshadowing from a teacher perspective.

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<v Speaker 2>And I also think it.

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<v Speaker 1>Just creates this sense of trust between student and teacher,

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<v Speaker 1>because when you use a skill like foreshadowing, students recognize

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<v Speaker 1>that there was intention behind the entire class. So I'm

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<v Speaker 1>sure we've all been to a class. I'm sure we've

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<v Speaker 1>taught classes where we come in, we don't have a plan,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's kind of just like throwing things to the

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<v Speaker 1>students and seeing.

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<v Speaker 2>Kind of what unfolds.

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<v Speaker 1>Versus when you come in with a plan and you

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<v Speaker 1>teach something intentionally in the beginning and you revisit it later,

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<v Speaker 1>the students have this light bulb that goes off that says, Oh,

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<v Speaker 1>my teacher cares. My teacher put the time and attention

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<v Speaker 1>into this experience curated for me before class even started,

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<v Speaker 1>and because of that, I trust my teacher more so.

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<v Speaker 1>It's I just love this skill so much.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh well said, And I completely agree I love it,

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<v Speaker 2>love it, love it, and I know that so many

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<v Speaker 2>people come to you and feel supported by you and

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<v Speaker 2>your work. I do something similar, but from a slightly

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<v Speaker 2>different vantage point. It's something that I call theme weaving,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's this idea of using it's kind of like

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<v Speaker 2>a dharma talk or like a dharma it's infusing insights

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<v Speaker 2>and inspiration into the class, but doing it in a

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<v Speaker 2>way where it's introduced early and then referred back to often,

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<v Speaker 2>so same same concept of it does make your teaching

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<v Speaker 2>feel so much more intentional and on purpose when it's

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<v Speaker 2>presented at the beginning, whether it's like what you're saying

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<v Speaker 2>or what you're teaching someone, it's like, we're doing this

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<v Speaker 2>on purpose, you know, and it doesn't feel as much

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<v Speaker 2>like an afterthought or like it's trying to be squeezed

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<v Speaker 2>in later. So I think that's that's amazing and probably

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<v Speaker 2>just an easy way that people can get started, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>is contrary to popular belief or like if you're wanting

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<v Speaker 2>to you know, weave in more intentional sequencing or thoughtful

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<v Speaker 2>ideas is to not do it at the end, but

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<v Speaker 2>to do it just like right at the very beginning,

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<v Speaker 2>so that it does automatically shift it to feel a

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<v Speaker 2>little more intentional and on purpose as opposed to as opposed.

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<v Speaker 1>To an afterthought. Oh yeah, one thousand percent. It's so

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<v Speaker 1>good for the students and for the teachers.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah yeah. So do you feel like when you're class

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<v Speaker 2>planning and when you approach teaching that it starts with

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<v Speaker 2>the sequencing and then everything else falls into place around

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<v Speaker 2>that for you? Is that your process or It's funny,

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<v Speaker 2>I have like five different processes, and it all depends

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<v Speaker 2>on like what happens when I get to my mat

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<v Speaker 2>Sometimes I'll have an idea of, you know, a pose

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<v Speaker 2>that I want to do later on, and I'll start

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<v Speaker 2>with like the physical foreshadowing. Other times I'll have an idea.

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<v Speaker 1>Of the philosophical theme like you were just talking about,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'll kind of create the physical based on that philosophy.

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<v Speaker 1>So it really all depends. But I think if I

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<v Speaker 1>could boil it down to a simple process, it would

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<v Speaker 1>be starting with a spark of inspiration, whether that spark

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<v Speaker 1>of inspiration is physical, is philosophical, whatever it may be.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe it's a playlist that's the spark of inspiration. But

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<v Speaker 1>I usually just have something that I know I'm going

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<v Speaker 1>to riff off of and then get to the yoga

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, beautiful. And I think that that's so spacious

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<v Speaker 2>so that all different people of constitutions, proclivities, propensities like

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<v Speaker 2>feel like they have a place that they can start

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<v Speaker 2>that's authentic to them. For me, it is always the message,

419
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<v Speaker 2>and like the philosophy side is usually the first thing

420
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<v Speaker 2>that sparks me and I build from. But then I

421
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<v Speaker 2>also once I have that mapped out, I try to think,

422
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<v Speaker 2>like how does this message show up in the body

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<v Speaker 2>to make it to combine the two and make it

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<v Speaker 2>feel somatic and seamless together, which is a whole conversation

425
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<v Speaker 2>that I feel like so many yoga teachers are interested in.

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<v Speaker 2>But by the same token, there's not a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>time rightly, so that can be given to this conversation

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<v Speaker 2>within a two hundred hour container, let alone a three

429
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<v Speaker 2>hundred hour container. So yeah, that is where I like

430
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<v Speaker 2>geek out on is like, what's what's your message? And

431
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<v Speaker 2>how do you say it in a way that's simple

432
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<v Speaker 2>and also intentionally spaced and place like it's sporadically woven

433
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<v Speaker 2>throughout the experience without feeling heavy handed, without it feeling

434
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<v Speaker 2>like this lecture on the front end or the back end,

435
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<v Speaker 2>or like too intelligent to where it's like two separate

436
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<v Speaker 2>moments of yoga philosophy, like put on my glasses, grab

437
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<v Speaker 2>my notes, and more like when you're in the posture,

438
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<v Speaker 2>how can they feel so married together? So yeah, I know,

439
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<v Speaker 2>I know you have a lot to say on that too.

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<v Speaker 2>Mm hm oh yeah. My first question to you is

441
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<v Speaker 2>do you do teach virtually at all? Yeah? Yeah, I

442
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<v Speaker 2>don't want to take your class. Yeah yeah, I actually

443
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<v Speaker 2>what I love as a student. Yeah. Yeah, So on

444
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<v Speaker 2>the podcast today, I dropped a class to practice in

445
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<v Speaker 2>and was kind of showcasing theme weaving as I understand

446
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<v Speaker 2>it today in June of twenty twenty six, if you're listening,

447
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<v Speaker 2>not in real time. But yeah, that's a it's a

448
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<v Speaker 2>huge love language. I love to receive that, and then

449
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<v Speaker 2>it's also something that I love to give as best

450
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<v Speaker 2>as I can. So yeah, that's yeah, that's awesome.

451
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<v Speaker 1>I'm definitely gonna hop in and take your class because

452
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<v Speaker 1>I feel like it's a lot a lot of yoga teachers,

453
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<v Speaker 1>like you said this, this type of teaching isn't covered

454
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<v Speaker 1>in trainings, and until we go out and we seek

455
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<v Speaker 1>the training and we start to embody what we learn,

456
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<v Speaker 1>it's few and far between that teachers are able to

457
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<v Speaker 1>really marry the two mm.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's what a lot of teachers I've found in

459
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<v Speaker 2>conversations with teachers, it's why they went went into yoga

460
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<v Speaker 2>teacher training to start, because they maybe saw their teacher

461
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<v Speaker 2>doing this. And a lot of teachers have a lot

462
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<v Speaker 2>on their heart that they want to say, but then

463
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<v Speaker 2>they get all caught up in their head and they

464
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<v Speaker 2>trip up on their tongue when it's like time to

465
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<v Speaker 2>say it, and there's ought to be honest, there's there's

466
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<v Speaker 2>this process of distilling it down, and you even use

467
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<v Speaker 2>the word like boiling, boiling it down to what are

468
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<v Speaker 2>the sutra like sentences that pack a lot of punch

469
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<v Speaker 2>and say these big ideas but in simple ways that

470
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<v Speaker 2>children can understand that feel just like every day speak.

471
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<v Speaker 2>Because sometimes when I'm all up in my yoga teaching study,

472
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<v Speaker 2>I'm like, well, are these people are not on that page?

473
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<v Speaker 2>You know? And to sometimes like meet people where they

474
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<v Speaker 2>are is the next challenge too, of how do I

475
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<v Speaker 2>teach it in a way that will actually be universal,

476
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<v Speaker 2>that will actually be relevant, that will actually be applicable

477
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<v Speaker 2>to a nurse, right, you know, like a human being.

478
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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and in a modern human being, like there a

479
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<v Speaker 1>lot of I mean, these teachings are so rooted in

480
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<v Speaker 1>thousands and thousands and thousands of years ago that sometimes

481
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<v Speaker 1>we can open the sutures, we can read something, we're like, okay,

482
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<v Speaker 1>but how does how does that play out now? So

483
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<v Speaker 1>to be able to just like have that lens and

484
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<v Speaker 1>really study from this place of what does this mean?

485
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<v Speaker 1>How can I how can I teach this to my

486
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<v Speaker 1>students in a way that will land? It takes a

487
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<v Speaker 1>lot of effort, and I think that makes a really

488
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<v Speaker 1>good teacher, right, somebody who's able and willing to put

489
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<v Speaker 1>in that effort and that time into the craft.

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<v Speaker 2>So I love this. Yeah. Yeah, Well we mentioned the

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<v Speaker 2>word intentional in terms of intentional sequencing, but do you

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<v Speaker 2>feel like there's a difference between intentional sequencing and maybe

493
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<v Speaker 2>more of the buzzword that's especially on social media, it's

494
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<v Speaker 2>like a hashtag of creative sequencing. That they are different

495
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<v Speaker 2>and that they have, you know, different thought processes behind them,

496
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<v Speaker 2>and if so, what are those? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>Absolutely, I think that creative sequencing is is I almost

498
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<v Speaker 1>want to say, like overused these days. Like I remember,

499
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<v Speaker 1>it was around twenty twenty around COVID where I started

500
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<v Speaker 1>saying that I teach creative creatively like I teach creative sequences,

501
00:28:47.400 --> 00:28:50.720
<v Speaker 1>I teach creative sequences. And at the time, it felt like, Okay,

502
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<v Speaker 1>this this feels right for me because the moves that

503
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<v Speaker 1>I add into my sequencing are creative, they're hybrid poses,

504
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<v Speaker 1>they're you know, moves that I pull for strength training,

505
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<v Speaker 1>they're different. And then as social media can continue to evolve,

506
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<v Speaker 1>it's almost like everybody started to say, I teach creatively

507
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<v Speaker 1>creative sequencing, and this is this buzzphrase now that's popping

508
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<v Speaker 1>up everywhere. And what I started to see from a

509
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<v Speaker 1>teacher trainer perspective is a lot of the teachers who

510
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<v Speaker 1>are I want to say, like advertising creative sequencing are

511
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<v Speaker 1>really advertising movements that are aesthetically pleasing but maybe not

512
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<v Speaker 1>so safe, maybe not so intentional, maybe just for Instagram

513
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<v Speaker 1>or just for social media, just for likes, just for content.

514
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<v Speaker 1>And when I started to see that shift happen, I

515
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<v Speaker 1>got I got like the ick with it. I'm like

516
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<v Speaker 1>creative sequencing, I don't really vibe with that anymore, because

517
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<v Speaker 1>I vibe.

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<v Speaker 2>With intention behind what we're doing.

519
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<v Speaker 1>And it is so easy as yoga teachers to get

520
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<v Speaker 1>excited about a certain move or transition or pose, and

521
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<v Speaker 1>I'm like this too. I get so excited and then

522
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<v Speaker 1>I want to throw everything into one class. But when

523
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<v Speaker 1>we do that, it becomes less intentional and more kind

524
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<v Speaker 1>of like a dumping ground for creativity, if that makes sense.

525
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<v Speaker 1>So I think that like intentional sequencing can be creative,

526
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<v Speaker 1>creative sequencing can be intentional. But there is this almost

527
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<v Speaker 1>like red flag that pops up with me now in

528
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<v Speaker 1>the conversation of creative sequencing, just because as teachers, it's

529
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<v Speaker 1>our main job to look out for our students, and

530
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<v Speaker 1>if we're teaching something that's just esthetically pleasing and maybe

531
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<v Speaker 1>not be so stabilizing or so attainable for the general population,

532
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<v Speaker 1>then we're really not serving our students in that way.

533
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, one hundred pc. It's like creativity just for

534
00:31:01.359 --> 00:31:07.920
<v Speaker 2>creativity's sake, versus the creativity and the intentionality as almost

535
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<v Speaker 2>like the preparation and the progression towards something else. I

536
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<v Speaker 2>think as like the biggest difference, And I think I

537
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<v Speaker 2>maybe touched on it just a little bit ago too.

538
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<v Speaker 2>It's like teaching for the student or just like teaching

539
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<v Speaker 2>for keeping you curious and interested, which is like, yes,

540
00:31:28.559 --> 00:31:30.640
<v Speaker 2>we as teachers, we do hit. If you've been teaching

541
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<v Speaker 2>in a while, you will hit some sort of rut

542
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<v Speaker 2>and you will start to feel like you're like, oh,

543
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<v Speaker 2>I'm craving to level up, but it's not forgetting at

544
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<v Speaker 2>the same time that in your not necessarily ascension or

545
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<v Speaker 2>like you know, evolution, but in your growing, like not

546
00:31:47.559 --> 00:31:51.039
<v Speaker 2>everybody is also where you're at too, So it's holding

547
00:31:51.119 --> 00:31:54.920
<v Speaker 2>those and trying to balance that of like meeting, keeping

548
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<v Speaker 2>the fundamentals, keeping the basics, while also you growing and

549
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<v Speaker 2>trying to share that with your people because you know

550
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<v Speaker 2>it's good to do that, but not in a way

551
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<v Speaker 2>that just like bypasses all the other stuff. Totally. Yeah,

552
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<v Speaker 2>I know. It's a dance.

553
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<v Speaker 1>It's a dance to really feel you know, your own growth,

554
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<v Speaker 1>your own practice, sharing your practice, and also serving the students.

555
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<v Speaker 1>And sometimes we're going to get it wrong. Sometimes we

556
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<v Speaker 1>won't realize and we think that we're being really intentional teaching,

557
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<v Speaker 1>and then we show up to teach and we have

558
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<v Speaker 1>this class plan and it's like not landing for any

559
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<v Speaker 1>student in front of us. So then we have to

560
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<v Speaker 1>instead of stay really rigid and married to the original plan,

561
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<v Speaker 1>pivot and continue to serve our students and continue to

562
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<v Speaker 1>think in ways that support them because that's what they're

563
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<v Speaker 1>there for.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so many, so many times in these conversations with teachers,

565
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<v Speaker 2>I feel like inspired, But then also you know the

566
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<v Speaker 2>weight of the responsibility of all how much it is

567
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<v Speaker 2>like this delicate dance And anyway, I think that you

568
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<v Speaker 2>paid me such a sweet compliment of practicing online and

569
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<v Speaker 2>taking online and I really just admire and I'm so

570
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<v Speaker 2>happy for your success with what you've built with the

571
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<v Speaker 2>hub and how you can provide for yoga teachers your

572
00:33:22.400 --> 00:33:25.440
<v Speaker 2>class planning subscription. So same, I'm like, I'm going to

573
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<v Speaker 2>jump in there and take some stuff and just see

574
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<v Speaker 2>all the work that you're providing, and I know some

575
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<v Speaker 2>listeners should as well. How has that I was listening

576
00:33:33.759 --> 00:33:37.319
<v Speaker 2>just this morning on the Funny Thing about Yoga podcast

577
00:33:37.480 --> 00:33:40.599
<v Speaker 2>conversation that you had and you were talking about building

578
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<v Speaker 2>it and launching it in the season of life that

579
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<v Speaker 2>you were in when you did that. So can you

580
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<v Speaker 2>share a little bit here about what that is and

581
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<v Speaker 2>how it feeds and fuels you with what we were

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<v Speaker 2>just talking about of like maintaining and sustaining your connection

583
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<v Speaker 2>and interest with the practice, but also in service of

584
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<v Speaker 2>yoga teachers out there. Yeah.

585
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<v Speaker 1>Absolutely So the Sequencing Hub you've never heard of. It

586
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<v Speaker 1>is a membership for yoga teachers that provides three things.

587
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<v Speaker 1>It provides done for you class plans, so ready to teach,

588
00:34:09.840 --> 00:34:14.800
<v Speaker 1>complete sequences, everything you need, dharmatalk, inspiration that can just

589
00:34:14.920 --> 00:34:18.199
<v Speaker 1>pop right into your notes app. The second thing it

590
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<v Speaker 1>provides is inspiration. So I have the Sequencing Lab within

591
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<v Speaker 1>the Hub, which is kind of like this page of

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<v Speaker 1>three hundred elements to kind of like riff off of

593
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<v Speaker 1>like little examples of foreshadowing what you could do in

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<v Speaker 1>the warm up, how you could revisit it later in

595
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<v Speaker 1>the heat building warm up sections, right, just like little

596
00:34:38.320 --> 00:34:41.679
<v Speaker 1>bite sized pieces as that spark of inspiration that we

597
00:34:41.800 --> 00:34:44.239
<v Speaker 1>were kind of talking about before when it comes time

598
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<v Speaker 1>to planning for class. And then it also provides continuing

599
00:34:48.519 --> 00:34:53.320
<v Speaker 1>education and community, so we do workshops, we do sequencing chats,

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<v Speaker 1>we talk about certain topics in the world of teaching,

601
00:34:56.880 --> 00:34:59.320
<v Speaker 1>and we just support each other as this beautiful community.

602
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<v Speaker 1>So it is like it is my pride and enjoy

603
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<v Speaker 1>this project. It launched in October of twenty twenty four,

604
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<v Speaker 1>and it has evolved so beautifully ever since, and I

605
00:35:11.320 --> 00:35:13.519
<v Speaker 1>really feel like I found what I'm meant to do,

606
00:35:13.880 --> 00:35:18.960
<v Speaker 1>and it's supporting yoga teachers and keeping teaching feeling sustainable.

607
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<v Speaker 1>Because I've been the teacher who teaches very very part

608
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<v Speaker 1>time one class a week while working a corporate job,

609
00:35:26.280 --> 00:35:29.039
<v Speaker 1>and then I've been the teacher who opened a yoga

610
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<v Speaker 1>studio and teaches seventeen classes a week. There's one thing

611
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<v Speaker 1>in common, and that's precious time. If we're going to

612
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<v Speaker 1>teach intentional classes, there has to be time put behind them.

613
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<v Speaker 1>And so if I have the luxury of the time

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<v Speaker 1>right now in this season of my life, where I

615
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<v Speaker 1>can get on my mat every week and spend two

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<v Speaker 1>and a half three hours creating a sequence that I

617
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<v Speaker 1>know ticks all the boxes for the general population, that

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<v Speaker 1>I know has intention behind it every step of the way,

619
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<v Speaker 1>and I can and deliver that to yoga teachers every

620
00:36:02.000 --> 00:36:05.079
<v Speaker 1>single week, then I know that I have just saved

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<v Speaker 1>yoga teachers at least two to three hours a week

622
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<v Speaker 1>in terms of best planning. Now they have something that

623
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<v Speaker 1>is either ready for them to teach or they can

624
00:36:15.320 --> 00:36:18.239
<v Speaker 1>mix and match and make it their own. But that

625
00:36:18.440 --> 00:36:23.000
<v Speaker 1>intention is there, It's rooted and it is supportive for them.

626
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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, it just I have so much purpose in sequencing.

627
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<v Speaker 1>And I feel like as yoga teachers, we all have

628
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<v Speaker 1>our one thing, maybe many, and it sounds like yours

629
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<v Speaker 1>is like the philosophy, the theming, the weaving, and for me,

630
00:36:38.840 --> 00:36:43.440
<v Speaker 1>mine is the physical sequencing. It's coming up with what

631
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<v Speaker 1>blends well together with intention, which is the word of

632
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<v Speaker 1>the day. For some teachers it's creating playlists. Right, we

633
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<v Speaker 1>all have our thing. But I'm really finding so much

634
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<v Speaker 1>value and purpose in helping yoga teachers contain you to

635
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<v Speaker 1>teach with sustainability and to avoid that burnout.

636
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, one hundred percent. And it looks like you

637
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<v Speaker 2>love it, and it looks like the people who were

638
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<v Speaker 2>in it love it, which is just so good to

639
00:37:12.960 --> 00:37:16.159
<v Speaker 2>see in such a lighthouse for other yoga teachers who

640
00:37:16.199 --> 00:37:18.800
<v Speaker 2>are just now starting to think, like, wait a minute,

641
00:37:18.840 --> 00:37:21.760
<v Speaker 2>there's more that I could do outside of the yoga studio,

642
00:37:21.840 --> 00:37:24.880
<v Speaker 2>Like what do you mean? I could create my own offering,

643
00:37:25.039 --> 00:37:27.360
<v Speaker 2>or I could create something of my own and build

644
00:37:27.400 --> 00:37:30.920
<v Speaker 2>my own reputation and legacy or make more money doing

645
00:37:31.000 --> 00:37:33.079
<v Speaker 2>something else, Like what does that look like? So I'm

646
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<v Speaker 2>so happy for people to see other examples of this,

647
00:37:35.840 --> 00:37:39.559
<v Speaker 2>to even just stretch your consciousness of what's possible, and

648
00:37:39.639 --> 00:37:43.320
<v Speaker 2>to see people doing it number one, but also thriving

649
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<v Speaker 2>in it. So I'm so glad that's for you, and

650
00:37:46.760 --> 00:37:50.719
<v Speaker 2>same like same of just I want to share these ideas,

651
00:37:50.800 --> 00:37:53.599
<v Speaker 2>and that was the heart behind my class planning subscription

652
00:37:53.719 --> 00:37:55.800
<v Speaker 2>that I call Inspired Flow. It used to be monthly,

653
00:37:55.880 --> 00:37:59.199
<v Speaker 2>but I actually just changed it to weekly, which is

654
00:37:59.480 --> 00:38:02.440
<v Speaker 2>delivering the same sort of thing like thematic scripts. That's

655
00:38:02.519 --> 00:38:06.760
<v Speaker 2>like here's a topic or here's an angle through which

656
00:38:06.880 --> 00:38:10.440
<v Speaker 2>we're always teaching yoga, but it's like the lens that

657
00:38:10.559 --> 00:38:14.320
<v Speaker 2>we're teaching yoga through, or in marketing lingo, it's like,

658
00:38:14.400 --> 00:38:17.360
<v Speaker 2>what's the micro angle of how we're expressing it, Like,

659
00:38:17.480 --> 00:38:20.719
<v Speaker 2>of course we're always pointing back to yoga and yoga

660
00:38:20.840 --> 00:38:24.679
<v Speaker 2>thought and philosophy and things, but how can I explain

661
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<v Speaker 2>it or express it in a way that's slightly different

662
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<v Speaker 2>for people to see it through many different vantage points.

663
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<v Speaker 2>That's what I share too. It's like thematic scripts and

664
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<v Speaker 2>building your class from these ideas and then using that

665
00:38:39.320 --> 00:38:42.360
<v Speaker 2>to inform the sequencing, using that to inform the playlisting,

666
00:38:42.440 --> 00:38:46.159
<v Speaker 2>so that it feels really cohesive and connected and intentional,

667
00:38:46.679 --> 00:38:49.119
<v Speaker 2>and like all of these ideas are coming at you

668
00:38:49.239 --> 00:38:52.599
<v Speaker 2>from different modalities of like what you're hearing, what the

669
00:38:52.719 --> 00:38:55.440
<v Speaker 2>teacher is saying. So yeah, I've been doing that. And

670
00:38:55.480 --> 00:38:59.039
<v Speaker 2>it's also so like, I'm sure how you feel when

671
00:38:59.119 --> 00:39:01.480
<v Speaker 2>the members inside are just like, this is so supportive

672
00:39:01.480 --> 00:39:03.159
<v Speaker 2>for me, and this is so helpful for me. And

673
00:39:03.920 --> 00:39:05.960
<v Speaker 2>I know so many teachers teach a lot of classes

674
00:39:06.079 --> 00:39:08.400
<v Speaker 2>like you were talking about, so to just get that

675
00:39:08.719 --> 00:39:12.039
<v Speaker 2>support and that help and it's like we haven't anyway,

676
00:39:12.079 --> 00:39:14.159
<v Speaker 2>I'm sure that's how you feel. And creating it, it's

677
00:39:14.199 --> 00:39:19.519
<v Speaker 2>like it's built and I want it to spread wide.

678
00:39:20.159 --> 00:39:23.440
<v Speaker 2>Why not share? It has kind of been how it's

679
00:39:23.480 --> 00:39:26.639
<v Speaker 2>felt for me. So there's an angle that I want

680
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<v Speaker 2>to go with that. But before, I think a lot

681
00:39:29.320 --> 00:39:31.760
<v Speaker 2>of yoga teachers have an idea of something that they

682
00:39:31.840 --> 00:39:34.480
<v Speaker 2>want to do. But in the example of like starting

683
00:39:34.519 --> 00:39:36.960
<v Speaker 2>your hub, and the yoga teacher that's like, I want

684
00:39:37.000 --> 00:39:39.920
<v Speaker 2>to do this thing. We also in the beginning, before

685
00:39:39.920 --> 00:39:42.800
<v Speaker 2>we built the thing, we don't realize what all it

686
00:39:42.960 --> 00:39:47.199
<v Speaker 2>takes behind the scenes to produce that, So can you

687
00:39:47.280 --> 00:39:49.599
<v Speaker 2>give us a little insight of what that looks like

688
00:39:49.679 --> 00:39:53.880
<v Speaker 2>on a week to week basis to consistently deliver the

689
00:39:53.920 --> 00:39:54.840
<v Speaker 2>things that you're promising.

690
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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's a lot of work. So each week, if

691
00:39:59.280 --> 00:40:03.159
<v Speaker 1>I have one sequence that drops, it's three hours spent

692
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<v Speaker 1>on my yoga mat creating the sequence. Then it's testing

693
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<v Speaker 1>the sequence with at least two of my in person classes,

694
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<v Speaker 1>so that's two hours of teaching it and making sure

695
00:40:14.639 --> 00:40:18.400
<v Speaker 1>that it works with the general population. Then it's filming

696
00:40:18.440 --> 00:40:22.760
<v Speaker 1>the sequence and editing it, which is me voicing over

697
00:40:22.840 --> 00:40:23.840
<v Speaker 1>the sequence, So that's.

698
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<v Speaker 2>Probably another hour and a half.

699
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<v Speaker 1>And then it is polishing up the written plan probably

700
00:40:31.280 --> 00:40:35.519
<v Speaker 1>takes another forty five minutes. Uploading everything to my platform

701
00:40:35.760 --> 00:40:40.239
<v Speaker 1>probably takes another hour. So for one class plan, I

702
00:40:40.280 --> 00:40:42.239
<v Speaker 1>would probably round up. I didn't do the math in

703
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<v Speaker 1>real time, but I would probably round anywhere from eight

704
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<v Speaker 1>to ten hours of work and dedication per per sequence. Yeah,

705
00:40:51.239 --> 00:40:54.400
<v Speaker 1>so it's a lot. And then to you know, share

706
00:40:54.480 --> 00:40:58.159
<v Speaker 1>little snippets of those on Instagram reels, it takes a

707
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<v Speaker 1>lot to edit those. I just I started hiring out.

708
00:41:02.559 --> 00:41:06.000
<v Speaker 1>I have an incredible editing assistant now who I give

709
00:41:06.239 --> 00:41:08.280
<v Speaker 1>my videos too, and I'm like, please chop these up

710
00:41:08.320 --> 00:41:10.199
<v Speaker 1>for me so that they're ready to go on reels.

711
00:41:11.360 --> 00:41:13.719
<v Speaker 1>I found that it was just taking up way too

712
00:41:13.840 --> 00:41:19.000
<v Speaker 1>much of my time to constantly be editing, So yeah,

713
00:41:19.280 --> 00:41:22.320
<v Speaker 1>I started to hire out a little bit. And then

714
00:41:22.559 --> 00:41:25.039
<v Speaker 1>in terms of like keeping up with the community. I

715
00:41:25.119 --> 00:41:28.039
<v Speaker 1>have fifteen hundred members. I want to know them, I

716
00:41:28.159 --> 00:41:31.239
<v Speaker 1>want to converse with them. I have emails to answer

717
00:41:31.400 --> 00:41:35.440
<v Speaker 1>about the platform, and people have questions and people have requests.

718
00:41:36.039 --> 00:41:38.440
<v Speaker 1>So it really turns out to a full time job.

719
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<v Speaker 1>It's a lot. It's the rewarding full time job I

720
00:41:42.519 --> 00:41:46.079
<v Speaker 1>could ever ask for, but it still is work. Yes,

721
00:41:46.280 --> 00:41:48.719
<v Speaker 1>And I think that's so important for yoga teachers to hear.

722
00:41:48.920 --> 00:41:51.880
<v Speaker 1>Not to discourage you from doing it, but I think

723
00:41:51.960 --> 00:41:56.199
<v Speaker 1>to set a realistic expectation, because what you were describing

724
00:41:56.320 --> 00:42:00.440
<v Speaker 1>is like when you've been that's your like fast version,

725
00:42:00.519 --> 00:42:03.559
<v Speaker 1>because you've you've set your process, you've done it, you're

726
00:42:03.639 --> 00:42:06.599
<v Speaker 1>like habitually doing it, so it's like when you're in

727
00:42:06.679 --> 00:42:09.800
<v Speaker 1>the flow of it, not to mention the learning curve

728
00:42:09.880 --> 00:42:11.679
<v Speaker 1>of the first couple of times that you're doing it,

729
00:42:11.800 --> 00:42:14.719
<v Speaker 1>of maybe learning how to use the editing software or

730
00:42:15.239 --> 00:42:18.360
<v Speaker 1>figuring out like what is the formatting that you're putting

731
00:42:18.400 --> 00:42:20.400
<v Speaker 1>it in, Like if you're building it on Tanbo, what's

732
00:42:20.480 --> 00:42:23.239
<v Speaker 1>the template you know? And all that first time stuff

733
00:42:23.320 --> 00:42:26.360
<v Speaker 1>can be I think the most overwhelming part for people.

734
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<v Speaker 2>That's then a big deterrent because it feels like a

735
00:42:28.639 --> 00:42:33.119
<v Speaker 2>big hindrance, an obstacle and inconvenience all the stuff. And

736
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<v Speaker 2>we think of like the finished product when you have

737
00:42:36.559 --> 00:42:39.920
<v Speaker 2>the vision or the aspiration to do something, not necessarily

738
00:42:40.079 --> 00:42:44.440
<v Speaker 2>the production that it takes to make it. And when

739
00:42:44.519 --> 00:42:47.519
<v Speaker 2>I am working with other yoga teachers of building offers outside,

740
00:42:47.800 --> 00:42:49.960
<v Speaker 2>I always just encourage them to like really think about

741
00:42:50.039 --> 00:42:52.320
<v Speaker 2>what's the production, what's the process of it? And do

742
00:42:52.559 --> 00:42:56.159
<v Speaker 2>you enjoy that? Because that will be more of what

743
00:42:56.320 --> 00:43:00.639
<v Speaker 2>you were doing as opposed to the like finished product situation.

744
00:43:01.360 --> 00:43:03.960
<v Speaker 2>So do you have any words of wisdom to offer,

745
00:43:04.159 --> 00:43:06.360
<v Speaker 2>like for maybe yoga teachers who are thinking about building

746
00:43:06.360 --> 00:43:08.800
<v Speaker 2>out something similar of a class punning subscription or a

747
00:43:09.480 --> 00:43:11.119
<v Speaker 2>virtual yoga studio or anything like that.

748
00:43:11.800 --> 00:43:13.760
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean, I think you said it so beautifully

749
00:43:13.920 --> 00:43:17.639
<v Speaker 1>is really think about what goes on behind the scenes,

750
00:43:17.760 --> 00:43:21.199
<v Speaker 1>Like there is going to be a learning curve, especially

751
00:43:21.920 --> 00:43:25.119
<v Speaker 1>like sometimes as yoga teachers, we see other yoga teachers

752
00:43:25.199 --> 00:43:28.239
<v Speaker 1>who seem like they're thriving online in their business, whatever

753
00:43:28.320 --> 00:43:31.000
<v Speaker 1>that business may be, but we don't see all of

754
00:43:31.079 --> 00:43:34.039
<v Speaker 1>the little nuances that go on behind the scenes. And

755
00:43:34.760 --> 00:43:38.920
<v Speaker 1>if you are only wanting to go down this road

756
00:43:39.119 --> 00:43:42.440
<v Speaker 1>because you love teaching yoga, you just kind of have

757
00:43:42.559 --> 00:43:44.800
<v Speaker 1>to give yourself that reality check that that's not all

758
00:43:44.880 --> 00:43:48.440
<v Speaker 1>this will be. Like if you are trying to open

759
00:43:48.480 --> 00:43:51.039
<v Speaker 1>a virtual yoga studio, you're going to do way more

760
00:43:51.239 --> 00:43:54.519
<v Speaker 1>than just teach yoga. Virtually, You're going to become an editor.

761
00:43:54.599 --> 00:43:58.519
<v Speaker 1>You're going to become your technology person, your IT person,

762
00:43:58.719 --> 00:44:02.760
<v Speaker 1>your marketer, human resources person, like you are going to

763
00:44:02.840 --> 00:44:07.559
<v Speaker 1>wear so many hats, and ultimately, I believe it is

764
00:44:07.760 --> 00:44:12.599
<v Speaker 1>so worth it. There's nothing like being your own boss,

765
00:44:12.840 --> 00:44:18.159
<v Speaker 1>being your own you know, employee, Like there's nothing like

766
00:44:18.239 --> 00:44:19.119
<v Speaker 1>having your own thing.

767
00:44:19.880 --> 00:44:25.119
<v Speaker 2>But just know that it's not going to be easy, yeah,

768
00:44:25.480 --> 00:44:30.199
<v Speaker 2>and that it takes staying connected to the passion and

769
00:44:30.320 --> 00:44:35.280
<v Speaker 2>your why of it making it worth it. And I

770
00:44:35.320 --> 00:44:37.920
<v Speaker 2>think that it's hard a lot of yoga teachers, or

771
00:44:37.920 --> 00:44:39.480
<v Speaker 2>at least this was my experience, and maybe you can

772
00:44:39.519 --> 00:44:42.760
<v Speaker 2>speak to it like still struggle a little bit with

773
00:44:44.360 --> 00:44:48.280
<v Speaker 2>the like receiving payment part, the money aspect. They really

774
00:44:48.320 --> 00:44:52.119
<v Speaker 2>struggle with the marketing side, the promoting side of inviting

775
00:44:52.239 --> 00:44:56.000
<v Speaker 2>people into their world and into their work for a

776
00:44:56.159 --> 00:44:59.199
<v Speaker 2>myriad of reasons, but a lot of them being like

777
00:44:59.480 --> 00:45:04.960
<v Speaker 2>lack of self worth or just embedding or confusing, tangling

778
00:45:05.119 --> 00:45:08.599
<v Speaker 2>maybe their worth with their work and then starting to

779
00:45:08.639 --> 00:45:11.199
<v Speaker 2>feel like icky because of that, or like making a

780
00:45:11.360 --> 00:45:14.119
<v Speaker 2>no means something about them instead of it just being

781
00:45:14.239 --> 00:45:16.320
<v Speaker 2>like a clean note it's not a good fit like

782
00:45:16.400 --> 00:45:21.599
<v Speaker 2>for that person. So yeah, it definitely is. It's a

783
00:45:21.800 --> 00:45:25.599
<v Speaker 2>lot of learning. It's a lot of learning when you're

784
00:45:25.679 --> 00:45:28.800
<v Speaker 2>kind of endeavoring and doing your own thing. Do you

785
00:45:28.960 --> 00:45:31.920
<v Speaker 2>feel or I guess I'm curious to know fifteen hundred

786
00:45:32.039 --> 00:45:35.320
<v Speaker 2>that is amazing. That is amazing and I'm so happy

787
00:45:35.400 --> 00:45:40.480
<v Speaker 2>for you. Seriously, and with the like drawing attention to

788
00:45:40.840 --> 00:45:44.079
<v Speaker 2>your membership, is your main way of reaching other people

789
00:45:44.280 --> 00:45:46.480
<v Speaker 2>through the things that you share on social media? Is

790
00:45:46.519 --> 00:45:49.320
<v Speaker 2>that how most people find you? Yeah? Yeah, I've spent

791
00:45:49.480 --> 00:45:55.760
<v Speaker 2>zero dollars in advertising, so it's been Yeah, that is

792
00:45:55.880 --> 00:46:00.519
<v Speaker 2>amazing and kind of a unicorn situation for people, as

793
00:46:00.679 --> 00:46:01.840
<v Speaker 2>like we all need to look at it and be like,

794
00:46:01.880 --> 00:46:04.159
<v Speaker 2>that's awesome. I'm so glad, but that is not the

795
00:46:04.280 --> 00:46:08.199
<v Speaker 2>current the usual route for people. So saying it for

796
00:46:08.280 --> 00:46:11.320
<v Speaker 2>people to keep it real too, of like wondering why

797
00:46:11.559 --> 00:46:15.000
<v Speaker 2>maybe it's not working for you, of like that's an

798
00:46:15.199 --> 00:46:18.119
<v Speaker 2>incredible but a unicorn too. Well.

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<v Speaker 1>I also should mention that social media I would consider

800
00:46:21.760 --> 00:46:25.199
<v Speaker 1>more the funnel. So people are finding me, discovering me

801
00:46:25.400 --> 00:46:28.559
<v Speaker 1>through social media, then I'm getting them to my email list,

802
00:46:28.880 --> 00:46:33.400
<v Speaker 1>and usually the sales happen the conversions happen through email,

803
00:46:34.639 --> 00:46:37.400
<v Speaker 1>which you know, is that's another thing that people have

804
00:46:37.519 --> 00:46:41.480
<v Speaker 1>to learn too. Emails is very important. But yeah, it's

805
00:46:41.639 --> 00:46:44.320
<v Speaker 1>it's definitely. I feel very very lucky and grateful for

806
00:46:44.599 --> 00:46:47.239
<v Speaker 1>what social media has given to me. And it's you know,

807
00:46:47.400 --> 00:46:49.840
<v Speaker 1>I didn't even have the idea for the sequencing hub

808
00:46:50.079 --> 00:46:52.760
<v Speaker 1>until I started to look at my metrics on Instagram

809
00:46:53.239 --> 00:46:55.960
<v Speaker 1>and I was noticing how many saves I was getting

810
00:46:56.559 --> 00:46:59.840
<v Speaker 1>for these reels that were that I was saying, save

811
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<v Speaker 1>save this real to teach, or save this sequence to teach.

812
00:47:03.519 --> 00:47:06.639
<v Speaker 1>I was getting thousands of saves, and I was like, Okay,

813
00:47:06.760 --> 00:47:09.480
<v Speaker 1>this data just tells me that teachers are saving this

814
00:47:09.639 --> 00:47:12.199
<v Speaker 1>because they're teaching it. How can I make this easier

815
00:47:12.280 --> 00:47:15.800
<v Speaker 1>for them? How can I now deliver the written out sequence?

816
00:47:15.840 --> 00:47:18.559
<v Speaker 1>How can I make it sustainable for me too? So

817
00:47:18.840 --> 00:47:23.599
<v Speaker 1>I'm I'm eternally grateful for social media for the reach

818
00:47:24.000 --> 00:47:25.679
<v Speaker 1>and the insight.

819
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<v Speaker 2>To you know, what it gives me. Yeah, yeah, that's absolutely.

820
00:47:31.400 --> 00:47:33.239
<v Speaker 2>And I think that you do such a great job

821
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<v Speaker 2>of using the work that you're doing inside your paid

822
00:47:37.000 --> 00:47:41.079
<v Speaker 2>programs or your paid spaces and then taking like little

823
00:47:41.119 --> 00:47:44.840
<v Speaker 2>clips of that or little appetizers from or make from

824
00:47:44.880 --> 00:47:47.920
<v Speaker 2>that main meal, making a little appetizer, and that that's

825
00:47:48.079 --> 00:47:51.119
<v Speaker 2>the social media thing that you're sharing, so that it

826
00:47:51.320 --> 00:47:56.000
<v Speaker 2>feels a little more like integrated and seamless for you. Yeah,

827
00:47:56.039 --> 00:47:58.800
<v Speaker 2>and that it's less work because I think, especially when

828
00:47:58.800 --> 00:48:00.800
<v Speaker 2>I'm working with other yoga teachers, it's like they think

829
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<v Speaker 2>of theirs social media as one thing, one type of content,

830
00:48:04.400 --> 00:48:06.960
<v Speaker 2>and then their paid work a different type of thing.

831
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<v Speaker 2>And it's like, how do we pull from the paid

832
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<v Speaker 2>work to the free or like the places where people

833
00:48:13.719 --> 00:48:17.079
<v Speaker 2>are discovering us and finding us so that it feels

834
00:48:17.639 --> 00:48:20.719
<v Speaker 2>easier and it also creates this more like seamless pathway

835
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<v Speaker 2>for that person who's watching it.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, it like a align and it's not this

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<v Speaker 1>weird hiccup thing. Yeah, yeah, I mean going back to

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<v Speaker 1>the skill of foreshadowing and yoga. That's essentially what that's

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<v Speaker 1>the kind of the business plan. It's like you're giving

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<v Speaker 1>a little bite sized piece on social and then if

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<v Speaker 1>they want the whole thing, they want that heat building section,

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<v Speaker 1>they go to the paid program.

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<v Speaker 2>So it builds trust.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, giving a little bit away for free, I

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<v Speaker 1>think is so worth it for yoga teachers who are

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<v Speaker 1>trying to launch their own thing, because that's how we

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<v Speaker 1>build trust with our students, with our clients, customers, whoever

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<v Speaker 1>it may be that you're serving. But giving those giving

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<v Speaker 1>that value away and yeah, just building those relationships I

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<v Speaker 1>think is so important.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah yeah, and then to maybe hopefully this helps somebody,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, offers a little more. It's like when they're

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<v Speaker 2>thinking about, oh what do I post on socials? Like

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<v Speaker 2>I know, I need to be making a presence on

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<v Speaker 2>socials that ultimately drives traffic to this other thing. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>it's it's pulling like from what you're doing already with

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<v Speaker 2>your people. Yeah, and like, yeah, just not not thinking

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<v Speaker 2>that they're so separate is so helpful for me at least.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Yeah, because you don't have like a whole, separate,

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<v Speaker 1>part time job in your mind. That is Instagram where

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<v Speaker 1>you have to come up with or social media that

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<v Speaker 1>where you have to come up with all new ideas.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like, no, just do what you're already doing.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, just do do what you're already doing. We're smarter,

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<v Speaker 2>not harder. Yes, yes, And I love that you brought

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<v Speaker 2>it back to the foreshadowing because that really is what

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<v Speaker 2>it is. You are just so inspiring and so inspiring,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's so good to finally chat with you about

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<v Speaker 2>all of this. When is your due date? Mid September?

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<v Speaker 2>Mid September? My second son was born September eighteenth. Oh yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm due the fifteenth, so we'll see. I could have

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<v Speaker 2>an eighteenth What if? That will be so incredible if

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<v Speaker 2>that happens, Because actually, do you mind me asking we

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<v Speaker 2>can trim this out if you are like, don't actually

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<v Speaker 2>post that. But how old are you? I'm thirty three,

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<v Speaker 2>you're thirty three? Okay? So I just turned thirty four

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<v Speaker 2>in December and then I turned yeah yeah, so around

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<v Speaker 2>the same age. I was like, I feel like there's

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of similarities there, and I will just absolutely

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<v Speaker 2>keel over and die if you have your baby on

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<v Speaker 2>the eighteenth, that would be amazing. Yes, yes, it really will.

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<v Speaker 2>My husband was actually his birthday is September seventeenth, so

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<v Speaker 2>on his birthday we were like, is he about to

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<v Speaker 2>steal your thunder? Are you guys going to share a

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<v Speaker 2>birthday friends? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>So.

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<v Speaker 2>Funnily enough, I did learn that a lot the most

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<v Speaker 2>popular d date is that week of like September tenth

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<v Speaker 2>through the twentieth. I think because it's like Christmas and

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<v Speaker 2>New Year's baby. Everybody's getting down around Christmas. Yep, that's

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<v Speaker 2>so interesting. It's so crazy how many people I know

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<v Speaker 2>are expecting in September. It's like, it really is. It's

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<v Speaker 2>I don't doubt that statistic for a minute. Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>it's so true. So enjoy just the rest of the

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<v Speaker 2>second trimester. It really is like the honeymoon phase of pregnancy.

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<v Speaker 2>And I'm so excited to just keep up with you

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<v Speaker 2>in your third trimester and just thank you so much

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<v Speaker 2>for everything that you shared with my community here. If

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<v Speaker 2>they are loving everything that you're saying and they want

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<v Speaker 2>to know more about how to connect with you and

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<v Speaker 2>take a peek at the hub. Can you let them

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<v Speaker 2>know how they can do that? Absolutely? So they can

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<v Speaker 2>find me on Instagram at Breathe Underscore Strength and then

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<v Speaker 2>my website is Breathe Strength Wellness and that has all

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<v Speaker 2>the info with my studio, my online studio and the

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<v Speaker 2>sequencing hub. Cool. Cool, Well, thank you so much, Charlotte.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you. This was so fun. Yes, yes it was,

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<v Speaker 2>And thank you, dear listener for coming back each and

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