WEBVTT 1 00:00:12.080 --> 00:00:15.560 This episode MA contained content of a graphic nature, including 2 00:00:15.640 --> 00:00:20.839 descriptions of physical and sexual violence against adults, children, and animals. 3 00:00:21.399 --> 00:00:37.039 Listener discretion is advised. Hi, this is Tanya. Hi, this 4 00:00:37.119 --> 00:00:40.880 is Shannon, and we are Crimes and Consequences, a hardcore 5 00:00:41.000 --> 00:00:46.799 true crime podcast. Hey Shannon, Hey Tanya, how are you doing. 6 00:00:47.280 --> 00:00:50.479 I'm doing great, fabulous, couldn't be better. 7 00:00:51.200 --> 00:00:53.000 Yeah, I have a funny things. 8 00:00:53.039 --> 00:00:57.799 So, okay, I got these indoor security cameras right for Levi. 9 00:00:58.479 --> 00:01:00.200 The one's over his crib. I got one in the 10 00:01:00.240 --> 00:01:02.679 living room. I got a pack of four for a 11 00:01:02.759 --> 00:01:05.480 decent price. I love it. I love being able to 12 00:01:05.480 --> 00:01:08.560 pop over his crib and see how he's if he's 13 00:01:08.599 --> 00:01:10.359 fussing stuff like that. Right. 14 00:01:10.519 --> 00:01:12.120 The one in the living room. 15 00:01:12.239 --> 00:01:16.239 Is just straight on to like the couch, right, so 16 00:01:16.599 --> 00:01:19.040 it's right under the TV that's mounted on the wall. 17 00:01:19.480 --> 00:01:21.879 And you know, when I go through it, it's just 18 00:01:22.079 --> 00:01:23.280 usually me holding Levi. 19 00:01:23.480 --> 00:01:27.200 It's just who's ever holding Levi on the couch in 20 00:01:27.239 --> 00:01:31.560 this certain spot is being recorded? Well, I forget and 21 00:01:31.599 --> 00:01:34.719 I have given my daughter access to the course. The 22 00:01:34.879 --> 00:01:37.640 camera's in the house, so she had left over to 23 00:01:37.799 --> 00:01:41.560 her boyfriend's I got the boy down for the evening. 24 00:01:41.840 --> 00:01:45.359 You know, Levi's down, He's good. I'm watching TV, you know, 25 00:01:45.959 --> 00:01:49.879 and my usual Grandma's by herself. I'm a little high, 26 00:01:50.159 --> 00:01:53.480 you know. I have my little ad d stems where 27 00:01:53.519 --> 00:01:56.599 like I'll just hold my arm over my head and 28 00:01:56.680 --> 00:01:58.959 let it hang in the air while I'm reading my 29 00:01:59.599 --> 00:02:03.680 you know, I'm scrolling and I remember that the camera's on. 30 00:02:04.519 --> 00:02:08.000 Like usually I turn it away for the evening, it's 31 00:02:08.039 --> 00:02:11.879 just for whatever. I realized the freaking camera's been on, 32 00:02:12.120 --> 00:02:14.879 and it made me think of that King of Queen's 33 00:02:14.960 --> 00:02:19.319 episode where they had a camera on Arthur downstairs but 34 00:02:19.360 --> 00:02:23.680 he didn't know it. I'm like, oh my gosh, our 35 00:02:23.719 --> 00:02:27.639 Brook and Tony watching me scroll through my phone. I mean, 36 00:02:27.639 --> 00:02:31.319 why wouldn't it's in our nature to watch, you know. 37 00:02:33.680 --> 00:02:37.120 So I was like, oh, jeezu Lou, I cannot. I 38 00:02:37.120 --> 00:02:39.159 don't want to jump up and turn the camera in 39 00:02:39.199 --> 00:02:42.680 case they are watching, you know, I would just make 40 00:02:42.719 --> 00:02:51.719 it weird, so stupid. So I'm rethinking the living room camera. 41 00:02:52.599 --> 00:02:55.599 You know, I have four so one grown child and 42 00:02:55.639 --> 00:02:59.080 one grandchild. I don't know how many cameras I need. 43 00:02:59.400 --> 00:03:02.599 So that's my story. I had Arthur Spooner fearful bone. 44 00:03:02.759 --> 00:03:05.439 Not a fear filled moment, just awkward. 45 00:03:06.080 --> 00:03:07.360 So what about girl? 46 00:03:09.400 --> 00:03:12.280 You know, I went to Chicago this past weekend with 47 00:03:12.319 --> 00:03:17.439 my daughter. Her favorite K pop band was performing, and 48 00:03:17.520 --> 00:03:18.560 it was a lot of fun. 49 00:03:18.879 --> 00:03:21.599 It was very sounded like fun. You're such a great mom. 50 00:03:21.719 --> 00:03:23.479 I love that you just hop in the car. 51 00:03:23.719 --> 00:03:27.159 Yeah, I'm like, road trip, that's right, road trip concert Chicago. 52 00:03:28.080 --> 00:03:32.039 We were driving home and we were started talking about 53 00:03:32.080 --> 00:03:35.120 my mom and I'm like, you know, Nana loved a 54 00:03:35.199 --> 00:03:38.120 road trip like my mom loved going on road trips. 55 00:03:38.159 --> 00:03:40.560 I'm like, I love a road trip too. So going 56 00:03:40.599 --> 00:03:44.120 to Chicago Friday, we drove there. Saturday, we came home 57 00:03:44.759 --> 00:03:47.560 and I worked in the car on our drive there, 58 00:03:48.159 --> 00:03:51.240 and I used my phone as a hot spot. 59 00:03:51.360 --> 00:03:52.240 Isn't I love? 60 00:03:52.639 --> 00:03:54.439 I know it's one of the highlights of the time 61 00:03:54.479 --> 00:03:57.400 we're living in now. Oh too much technology? 62 00:03:57.759 --> 00:03:58.560 I know. It was great. 63 00:03:59.120 --> 00:04:00.879 All I want in the time that I live in 64 00:04:01.120 --> 00:04:06.560 as a woman is deodorant, tampons, and a good Wi Fi. 65 00:04:07.639 --> 00:04:11.240 A good Wi Fi. Oh yeah, well that's cool. 66 00:04:11.479 --> 00:04:14.599 Yeah. So I have a crazy story for you today. 67 00:04:14.919 --> 00:04:15.280 Tell me. 68 00:04:15.319 --> 00:04:18.480 And it's a pretty famous one, like it's well known, 69 00:04:18.560 --> 00:04:21.519 but I don't know if you've heard this story or not. 70 00:04:22.160 --> 00:04:26.319 So it is about Herb Baumeister. Have you heard this one? 71 00:04:26.439 --> 00:04:30.759 It is not bringing about Baumeister. Does not roll off 72 00:04:30.800 --> 00:04:33.759 the tongue, No, it doesn't Herb. 73 00:04:34.399 --> 00:04:36.959 Yeah, well, I'm going to tell you about this weirdo. 74 00:04:37.199 --> 00:04:38.639 Okay please. 75 00:04:39.519 --> 00:04:42.920 The Midwest of the US is known as the Heartland, right, 76 00:04:43.000 --> 00:04:44.279 and we live in the Midwest. 77 00:04:44.480 --> 00:04:44.879 Oh yeah. 78 00:04:45.040 --> 00:04:49.639 And in the Midwest it's a major agricultural and industrial center. 79 00:04:50.199 --> 00:04:54.040 Embracing this status, the region is also known to associate 80 00:04:54.040 --> 00:04:59.240 itself with traditional American values, and Indiana lies within the 81 00:04:59.240 --> 00:05:04.839 Heartland and boasts a diverse landscape, including forests and farmlands, 82 00:05:04.839 --> 00:05:10.399 but also including several automotive manufacturing plants, much like Michigan. 83 00:05:11.240 --> 00:05:13.920 During the eighties and nineties, there was a large population 84 00:05:14.040 --> 00:05:18.040 boom around the capital, which is Indianapolis, which is where 85 00:05:18.079 --> 00:05:20.879 our story takes place. Due to the efforts of the 86 00:05:20.920 --> 00:05:25.079 mayor and his desire to increase sports tourism, the city 87 00:05:25.079 --> 00:05:28.600 acquired the Baltimore Colts, a football team at the time, 88 00:05:29.079 --> 00:05:32.319 and they hosted the nineteen eighty seven Pan American Games. 89 00:05:32.839 --> 00:05:36.480 While the city's population boomed, a new demographic of people 90 00:05:36.519 --> 00:05:41.279 were moving in. People frequenting the downtown areas had traditionally 91 00:05:41.360 --> 00:05:44.319 been businessmen, and when those men would go home to 92 00:05:44.399 --> 00:05:48.399 their wives, the city practically closed itself at five o'clock. 93 00:05:48.759 --> 00:05:51.800 But then the nightclubs began popping up all around the city, 94 00:05:52.079 --> 00:05:56.839 and they were gay nightclubs in particular. These gay bars 95 00:05:56.879 --> 00:06:00.480 were a sanctuary for the community that they served. Outside 96 00:06:00.560 --> 00:06:03.480 of the walls of those nightclubs, there wasn't much support 97 00:06:04.079 --> 00:06:07.160 for the gay community, and many of the people of 98 00:06:07.160 --> 00:06:13.879 Indianapolis felt pressure to accept the gay community, which contradicted 99 00:06:13.920 --> 00:06:18.279 their conservative American values that you know, the heartland this 100 00:06:18.480 --> 00:06:20.120 you know reputation. 101 00:06:20.800 --> 00:06:24.360 Yeah, you don't absolutely engage in gay sex openly. 102 00:06:24.480 --> 00:06:26.839 That's for behind closed doors. And this is like the 103 00:06:26.920 --> 00:06:28.639 aid for others. 104 00:06:28.480 --> 00:06:30.959 Right, and this is the eighties and nineties, and you know, 105 00:06:31.120 --> 00:06:34.560 people were still quite uptight, very well. With the entrance 106 00:06:34.560 --> 00:06:37.360 of the gay community to the city and headlines about 107 00:06:37.399 --> 00:06:41.240 the AIDS crisis, you know, they became more meaningful as 108 00:06:41.279 --> 00:06:45.199 homosexual men began to report missing from the club scene. 109 00:06:45.560 --> 00:06:48.800 The police tended to dismiss the claims, often using the 110 00:06:48.839 --> 00:06:52.120 AIDS epidemic as an excuse, saying, oh, they must have 111 00:06:52.199 --> 00:06:55.000 gotten sick and they just don't go to the bars anymore. 112 00:06:55.360 --> 00:06:59.519 But this was becoming an issue. They were being reported 113 00:06:59.600 --> 00:07:04.079 missing and they were not really investigated well when the 114 00:07:04.199 --> 00:07:08.279 victims were gay. It became a population that the police 115 00:07:08.319 --> 00:07:10.920 really didn't put a lot of resources toward. 116 00:07:11.360 --> 00:07:14.160 Yeah, that's sad, like how they deal with like prostitutes 117 00:07:14.160 --> 00:07:17.920 and name Americans, you know, the right, they're deemed not 118 00:07:17.959 --> 00:07:20.639 good enough to write invest in resources. 119 00:07:20.759 --> 00:07:22.720 Right, Yeah, it's not like a blond white girl that 120 00:07:22.759 --> 00:07:26.360 went missing, sure, exactly. So members of the gay community 121 00:07:26.439 --> 00:07:30.480 were instead being targeted by law enforcement. They got tickets 122 00:07:30.480 --> 00:07:34.279 for loitering or a male prostitution when stepping outside of 123 00:07:34.319 --> 00:07:36.600 the bar. Like, they were just targeted and they didn't 124 00:07:36.600 --> 00:07:40.480 feel safe. But the community was close knit, even if 125 00:07:40.519 --> 00:07:43.319 the police were providing the missing and murdered men with 126 00:07:43.439 --> 00:07:47.519 lazy investigations. The nightclubs provided a place for family and 127 00:07:47.560 --> 00:07:51.439 friends to hang posters seeking information about their loved ones 128 00:07:51.439 --> 00:07:56.399 who had disappeared, and bodies began littering the Highway I seventy. 129 00:07:57.000 --> 00:07:59.560 As the number of missing and murdered gay men increased 130 00:08:00.439 --> 00:08:04.680 emerged in fears of serial killer developed. So this is 131 00:08:04.720 --> 00:08:07.680 the backdrop in front of which a report was made 132 00:08:07.720 --> 00:08:11.439 to the Indianapolis authorities from a gay man named Mark 133 00:08:11.600 --> 00:08:14.920 Goodyear one summer in the mid nineties. The night before, 134 00:08:15.439 --> 00:08:17.639 Mark had seen a man at the bar that he 135 00:08:17.680 --> 00:08:21.319 didn't recognize, staring at the wanted poster for a missing 136 00:08:21.399 --> 00:08:25.800 man named Roger good Leut. Approaching the stranger, he introduced 137 00:08:25.879 --> 00:08:29.759 himself as Tony Harris, using an alias in an attempt 138 00:08:29.839 --> 00:08:33.399 to disguise who he was in the LGBTQ climate of 139 00:08:33.480 --> 00:08:36.159 the time, and asked the stranger if he knew Roger. 140 00:08:36.600 --> 00:08:39.360 The man answered no, he didn't. Then he asked the 141 00:08:39.399 --> 00:08:43.320 man's name, and he said Brian Smart. So after spending 142 00:08:43.360 --> 00:08:46.639 time together at the bar, Brian asked his new companion 143 00:08:46.759 --> 00:08:50.120 Tony if he would want to go to his employer's 144 00:08:50.159 --> 00:08:53.360 home to swim in the indoor pool and said, you know, 145 00:08:53.399 --> 00:08:56.440 we can take supparate cars. So Tony said sure, but 146 00:08:56.960 --> 00:08:58.759 he said we don't have to take two separate cars. 147 00:08:58.879 --> 00:09:01.600 We can take one. He wanted his car left at 148 00:09:01.600 --> 00:09:04.559 the bar in case he went missing, like so many 149 00:09:04.559 --> 00:09:07.879 others had. He wanted someone to know, you know, looking 150 00:09:07.879 --> 00:09:10.639 for him. So Tony got into Brian's car and they 151 00:09:10.720 --> 00:09:14.519 drove in relative silence. Not for the lack of trying 152 00:09:15.039 --> 00:09:18.080 on Tony's part, but Brian really didn't seem interested in 153 00:09:18.120 --> 00:09:20.519 the two getting to know each other. They pulled into 154 00:09:20.559 --> 00:09:23.639 the driveway of the name of the place was something 155 00:09:23.720 --> 00:09:27.759 farm Tony would recall to the police. They drove down 156 00:09:27.799 --> 00:09:31.440 the long entrance of an eighteen acre property, ending at 157 00:09:31.480 --> 00:09:34.559 the front door of a tutor style mansion. Brian told 158 00:09:34.600 --> 00:09:37.480 his guests that the power was off on the ground level, 159 00:09:37.480 --> 00:09:39.919 but was still on in the basement where the pool was, 160 00:09:40.360 --> 00:09:42.679 which a basement pool seems kind. 161 00:09:42.480 --> 00:09:44.240 Of creepy right. 162 00:09:44.879 --> 00:09:47.159 Going through the garage and down a set of stairs, 163 00:09:47.159 --> 00:09:50.159 they reached the swimming pool in the basement. Upon reaching 164 00:09:50.200 --> 00:09:54.720 the pool, Tony saw pool toys, a fully stocked bar, 165 00:09:55.360 --> 00:09:58.039 and the weirdest of all. You're never going to guess 166 00:09:58.039 --> 00:10:01.720 what I'm gonna say next, a bunch of posed mannequins. 167 00:10:02.360 --> 00:10:04.679 I was close because I was gonna say, blow up. 168 00:10:04.759 --> 00:10:10.879 Now you were close. Oh, One was just as a 169 00:10:10.960 --> 00:10:15.039 woman modeled to reach into a cabinet. One was sitting 170 00:10:15.120 --> 00:10:18.720 beside the pool dressed as a lifeguard, and others set 171 00:10:18.799 --> 00:10:21.759 up just as other people by the water, enjoying like 172 00:10:21.840 --> 00:10:24.600 a pool day. So Tony went into the changing room 173 00:10:24.639 --> 00:10:27.399 to put on a swimsuit, and he came out shortly 174 00:10:27.840 --> 00:10:30.879 to join Brian at the pool. After swimming around for 175 00:10:30.919 --> 00:10:35.519 a bit, Brian started talking about his erratic fetishes, including 176 00:10:35.679 --> 00:10:40.600 using autoerotic asphyxiation and strangulation. Then he asked Tony if 177 00:10:40.639 --> 00:10:44.679 he'd like to see a quote unquote neat trick. Brian 178 00:10:44.720 --> 00:10:48.360 described how squeezing somebody's neck and cutting off circulation to 179 00:10:48.440 --> 00:10:52.440 the brain during sex can cause an extremely intense orgasm, 180 00:10:52.600 --> 00:10:55.240 and asked if Tony would like to try it. Tony agreed, 181 00:10:55.440 --> 00:10:58.080 and Brian took the pool hose that had been floating 182 00:10:58.120 --> 00:11:00.559 in the water near the men and began wrapping it 183 00:11:00.600 --> 00:11:05.039 around Tony's neck, tightening it slowly until he was strangling 184 00:11:05.120 --> 00:11:08.679 his date. As the hoes got tighter, Tony realized that 185 00:11:08.720 --> 00:11:13.240 Brian wasn't letting up, and realizing he might die, he 186 00:11:13.399 --> 00:11:16.840 decided to pretend to pass out, going limp in the water. 187 00:11:17.399 --> 00:11:20.759 Brian slowly let up, and after a few seconds, the 188 00:11:20.799 --> 00:11:25.159 would be victim startled his attempted murderer by opening his eyes. 189 00:11:27.480 --> 00:11:28.679 We should have had a safe word. 190 00:11:29.159 --> 00:11:34.039 YEA in that moment, yeah, in that moment, it clicked 191 00:11:34.360 --> 00:11:38.360 Tony accused Brian of being the man causing the disappearances. 192 00:11:38.879 --> 00:11:41.000 He told Brian he was going to go to the police, 193 00:11:41.120 --> 00:11:43.879 and Brian retorted, no one is going to believe a 194 00:11:43.879 --> 00:11:47.759 person like you. So Tony realized he was correct about 195 00:11:47.759 --> 00:11:50.399 the sacondation instead of being like, what the fuck are 196 00:11:50.480 --> 00:11:54.159 you talking about? Right, the police hadn't shown interest in 197 00:11:54.200 --> 00:11:57.679 the disappearances so far. He also knew he wasn't going 198 00:11:57.840 --> 00:12:00.879 to help anyone else unless he got out of there alive, 199 00:12:01.399 --> 00:12:04.679 so he decided to play along. The men drank their 200 00:12:04.720 --> 00:12:07.120 fill from the full bar by the pool and partied 201 00:12:07.200 --> 00:12:10.919 until Brian passed out. The following morning, Brian took Tony 202 00:12:10.960 --> 00:12:14.200 back to his car outside the nightclub, saying goodbye. Brian 203 00:12:14.279 --> 00:12:16.960 told Tony he'd love to see him again, and on 204 00:12:17.000 --> 00:12:21.559 his way home, Mark Goodyear stopped by the Indianapolis Police Department, 205 00:12:21.919 --> 00:12:24.240 which this seems really odd to me that he just 206 00:12:24.320 --> 00:12:27.000 like let the guy go. Sitting down with a couple 207 00:12:27.000 --> 00:12:29.840 of officers, he told him about the man. Brian smart 208 00:12:30.080 --> 00:12:33.159 he lived in a mansion in Hamilton County and was 209 00:12:33.200 --> 00:12:36.720 picking up gay men at the bars and strangling them. However, 210 00:12:36.919 --> 00:12:40.480 Mark couldn't give an exact description of the home and property. 211 00:12:40.919 --> 00:12:43.279 The clearest description he could come up with for the 212 00:12:43.399 --> 00:12:45.639 estate was the sign at the entrance had the name 213 00:12:46.039 --> 00:12:46.840 something Farm. 214 00:12:47.240 --> 00:12:49.240 This would be extremely useful. 215 00:12:49.320 --> 00:12:52.440 Except the street the estate had been built on was 216 00:12:52.480 --> 00:12:55.799 a road lined with farms. The police told him to 217 00:12:55.879 --> 00:12:58.000 keep an eye out for the man again when he 218 00:12:58.039 --> 00:12:59.960 went to the bar, and maybe try to get a 219 00:13:00.039 --> 00:13:03.879 license plate number next time. The opportunity finally arose in 220 00:13:03.919 --> 00:13:07.120 the spring of nineteen ninety five when Tony found Brian 221 00:13:07.200 --> 00:13:10.879 Smart once again. That evening, Tony asked friend of his 222 00:13:11.080 --> 00:13:13.399 to go outside and write it down, afraid of drawing 223 00:13:13.399 --> 00:13:15.320 Brian's eye to him if he were to go and 224 00:13:15.360 --> 00:13:17.879 get it himself. When it was handed over to the 225 00:13:18.200 --> 00:13:21.960 Indianapolis Missing Persons, the detective assigned to the case ran 226 00:13:22.000 --> 00:13:24.720 it through the DMV database. The man they were looking 227 00:13:24.720 --> 00:13:29.639 for was named Herbert R. Baumeister of Fox Hollow Farm. 228 00:13:30.159 --> 00:13:33.679 The authorities immediately drove over to the Save a Latte 229 00:13:33.720 --> 00:13:37.480 thrift store, which was owned by Herb Baumeister and his 230 00:13:37.519 --> 00:13:42.159 wife to question him. Oh Yes, a new twist. When 231 00:13:42.159 --> 00:13:45.639 the detective arrived, she approached the counter and asked to 232 00:13:45.639 --> 00:13:49.919 speak to the owner, Herb appeared shaking detective's hand, and 233 00:13:49.960 --> 00:13:53.080 then she bluntly asked if he had ever visited any 234 00:13:53.120 --> 00:13:57.159 of the gay nightclubs downtown, which, of course, he adamantly denied. 235 00:13:58.679 --> 00:14:02.039 She told Herb that multiple witnesses had placed him at 236 00:14:02.039 --> 00:14:04.759 the clubs several times, and she had gotten his license 237 00:14:04.799 --> 00:14:08.519 plate number from one of those eyewitnesses. Knowing he couldn't 238 00:14:08.559 --> 00:14:12.080 reasonably deny it anymore, he admitted that he did visit 239 00:14:12.120 --> 00:14:15.240 the bars occasionally and his family didn't know about it. 240 00:14:15.639 --> 00:14:18.120 Obviously, sure yeah. 241 00:14:18.440 --> 00:14:22.519 Accepting this as a likely truth of several, if not many, 242 00:14:22.559 --> 00:14:25.960 of the men participating in the Indianapolis gay nightclub scene, 243 00:14:26.240 --> 00:14:29.960 she shifted her approach to the detective, explaining she was 244 00:14:30.000 --> 00:14:33.080 investigating the disappearance of some missing men from the bars 245 00:14:33.200 --> 00:14:36.639 he visited. She indicated she felt he might know something 246 00:14:36.799 --> 00:14:39.240 or be involved in some way. Then she asked if 247 00:14:39.240 --> 00:14:43.759 the police search his property. HERB denied involvement in the 248 00:14:43.840 --> 00:14:47.440 disappearances and murders. He said that any further question should 249 00:14:47.440 --> 00:14:50.120 be said to his lawyer, a well known criminal defense 250 00:14:50.159 --> 00:14:53.440 attorney in Indianapolis. When he went home, he told his 251 00:14:53.480 --> 00:14:56.720 wife that a disgruntled former employee was making false claims 252 00:14:56.720 --> 00:14:59.320 against him to the police, and they needed to be 253 00:14:59.440 --> 00:15:02.840 very careful. And this didn't alarm her. They had been 254 00:15:03.120 --> 00:15:05.960 business owners for many years and she knew an unhappy 255 00:15:06.000 --> 00:15:09.600 employee would come along causing trouble sooner or later. When 256 00:15:09.600 --> 00:15:12.039 the detective went back to the police station, she called 257 00:15:12.039 --> 00:15:16.159 the attorney's office, who replied saying he didn't know or 258 00:15:16.240 --> 00:15:20.080 represent Herbert Baummeister. The detective who went back to the 259 00:15:20.120 --> 00:15:24.120 store and confronted Herb about the attorney's response, but then 260 00:15:24.279 --> 00:15:27.600 Herb doubled down, insisting that he was being represented by 261 00:15:27.639 --> 00:15:31.000 this attorney. She completed the check again and was again 262 00:15:31.039 --> 00:15:35.039 shut down by the attorney saying Nope, we don't represent him. 263 00:15:35.320 --> 00:15:38.759 So frustrated, annoyed, and ready to be the bad cop, 264 00:15:39.080 --> 00:15:41.440 she went back to the Save a Lot, only to 265 00:15:41.480 --> 00:15:44.639 be told that Herb had just gotten a retainer to 266 00:15:44.679 --> 00:15:47.720 the law office, which called the lawyers for the third time. 267 00:15:47.759 --> 00:15:50.840 She was told no, you cannot search mister Baumeister's property. 268 00:15:51.240 --> 00:15:53.720 The detective was certain her suspect was involved in at 269 00:15:53.799 --> 00:15:55.399 least some of the disappearances. 270 00:15:55.720 --> 00:15:57.679 Yeah resolved, she went to a. 271 00:15:57.639 --> 00:16:02.000 Forensic anthropologist who suggested lying over Fox Hollow Farm in 272 00:16:02.000 --> 00:16:05.559 a helicopter fitted with an infrared camera to see heat 273 00:16:05.720 --> 00:16:10.600 from bodies possibly decomposing on the property. I know, I 274 00:16:10.600 --> 00:16:13.919 didn't know that was a thing me. Either No evidence 275 00:16:14.039 --> 00:16:17.559 was found, either there were no decomposed bodies, or it 276 00:16:17.559 --> 00:16:19.559 had been too long since a body had been placed 277 00:16:19.559 --> 00:16:22.799 there and it was no longer emitting heat, so she 278 00:16:22.879 --> 00:16:25.480 was going to have to find another way. In November 279 00:16:25.600 --> 00:16:29.840 nineteen ninety five, thirteen year old Eric Baumeister was playing 280 00:16:29.919 --> 00:16:34.080 in a wooded area of Fox Hollows, underdeveloped eighteen acres, 281 00:16:34.559 --> 00:16:37.799 just outside what would be considered the backyard. While playing, 282 00:16:37.879 --> 00:16:41.559 he came across a pile of partially buried bones. Curious 283 00:16:41.600 --> 00:16:43.519 about what he found, he grabbed the skull and took 284 00:16:43.559 --> 00:16:46.519 it to his mother, Julie. Unsettled, she asked Eric to 285 00:16:46.519 --> 00:16:48.639 take her to the area of the yard where he'd 286 00:16:48.679 --> 00:16:51.559 been playing, where she saw the same pile of remains. 287 00:16:52.200 --> 00:16:55.759 I know, this is fucking freaky things. Yeah. Later that 288 00:16:55.840 --> 00:16:59.039 day she would bring up the discovery to her husband, Herb, 289 00:16:59.480 --> 00:17:02.840 who would dismiss her concerns, telling her that those were 290 00:17:02.879 --> 00:17:06.000 bones of an old medical school skeleton owned by his father, 291 00:17:06.480 --> 00:17:11.079 doctor Herbert Ebaumeister. Julie's father in law, and her father 292 00:17:11.119 --> 00:17:14.160 in law had been an anesthesiologist, so it wasn't a stretch. 293 00:17:14.599 --> 00:17:17.559 Herb told his wife the skeleton had been made of 294 00:17:17.680 --> 00:17:21.119 human bones, possibly as old as the eighteen hundreds, so 295 00:17:21.160 --> 00:17:24.200 he'd felt it only proper to bury them rather than 296 00:17:24.279 --> 00:17:26.119 throw them in the trash. 297 00:17:26.519 --> 00:17:30.119 I know, makes a hole a little deeper so your 298 00:17:30.160 --> 00:17:31.960 son doesn't stumble across the. 299 00:17:31.920 --> 00:17:32.920 Skull, right. 300 00:17:33.720 --> 00:17:36.319 Julie had been married to her for twenty three years, 301 00:17:36.559 --> 00:17:40.039 so she was aware he was a little odd, and 302 00:17:40.079 --> 00:17:42.920 so she was able to put the incident, this incident 303 00:17:43.400 --> 00:17:44.680 like to the side out of. 304 00:17:44.680 --> 00:17:48.200 Her chalk it up as yep, something herbs working on. Right. 305 00:17:48.839 --> 00:17:50.640 Just a few days later, she went out in the 306 00:17:50.720 --> 00:17:53.279 yard and she noticed that the bones her son had 307 00:17:53.319 --> 00:17:57.039 found were gone and probably taken by an animal, is 308 00:17:57.039 --> 00:18:00.119 what she thought. Unknown to Julie at the time, he 309 00:18:00.240 --> 00:18:03.839 was surrounded by dozens of other piles of fragments just 310 00:18:03.920 --> 00:18:06.759 like the one Eric had found. Two years later, in 311 00:18:06.799 --> 00:18:11.640 nineteen ninety six, the police would bring excavators, cadaver dogs, 312 00:18:11.640 --> 00:18:15.480 and officers to do a thorough sweep, eventually finding more 313 00:18:15.519 --> 00:18:21.039 than ten thousand bones and belonging to an estimated twenty 314 00:18:21.039 --> 00:18:25.279 five victims, of which only ten victims have been identified 315 00:18:25.359 --> 00:18:28.279 as of today. Oh my goodness, I'll tell you a 316 00:18:28.319 --> 00:18:29.960 little bit about our little buddy. 317 00:18:30.039 --> 00:18:32.640 Herb, Herb, Herb, Herb. 318 00:18:32.880 --> 00:18:37.240 Herb Richard Baumeister was born in Indianapolis on April seventh, 319 00:18:37.440 --> 00:18:43.240 nineteen forty seven, making him a series series aes. He 320 00:18:43.319 --> 00:18:48.480 was born to doctor Herbert Eugene and Elizabeth Schmidt Baumeister, 321 00:18:49.160 --> 00:18:53.200 the oldest of four. His childhood was normal. However, beginning 322 00:18:53.240 --> 00:18:57.160 in adolescence, Herb began having issues fitting in and showed 323 00:18:57.160 --> 00:19:01.519 signs of anti social behavior. During his time at North 324 00:19:01.680 --> 00:19:05.400 Central High School. He would show curiosity in dead animals 325 00:19:05.519 --> 00:19:08.079 and quote, ponder what it would be like to taste 326 00:19:08.200 --> 00:19:12.880 human urine? End quote. Not your usual teenage activities. 327 00:19:13.799 --> 00:19:16.839 Little ditty party, didty party? 328 00:19:19.000 --> 00:19:21.359 Oh it sounds like someone's on their way to a 329 00:19:21.400 --> 00:19:22.119 ditty party. 330 00:19:22.400 --> 00:19:23.519 Into a freak off. 331 00:19:24.160 --> 00:19:25.160 Yeah. 332 00:19:25.720 --> 00:19:28.880 At one point, he both urinated and left a dead 333 00:19:28.920 --> 00:19:31.759 bird on the desk of one of his teachers. After 334 00:19:31.799 --> 00:19:34.920 that incident and a series of outbursts during class time, 335 00:19:35.000 --> 00:19:38.160 the school reached out to his parents for intervention. Tests 336 00:19:38.200 --> 00:19:41.119 were done, and the young man was ultimately diagnosed with 337 00:19:41.200 --> 00:19:46.119 paranoid schizophrenia and antisocial personality disorder. There are no records 338 00:19:46.160 --> 00:19:49.839 indicating he received treatment for either condition. He seemed to 339 00:19:49.920 --> 00:19:52.599 lead a normal life for a little while, although he 340 00:19:52.799 --> 00:19:56.480 was unable or uninterested in making friends due to his 341 00:19:56.640 --> 00:20:00.240 morbid interests. He enrolled in college at Indiana University in 342 00:20:00.319 --> 00:20:04.119 nineteen sixty five. Ultimately, though he dropped out his first semester, 343 00:20:04.759 --> 00:20:08.799 he would try again, enrolling in nineteen sixty seven, although 344 00:20:09.000 --> 00:20:12.160 he would never graduate. It was during his second attempt 345 00:20:12.240 --> 00:20:17.279 at higher education that he met Juliana Satyr, his future wife. 346 00:20:17.640 --> 00:20:22.200 The couple married in nineteen seventy one. Interestingly, that same year, 347 00:20:22.240 --> 00:20:26.039 before they would marry, herb would be involuntarily committed by 348 00:20:26.079 --> 00:20:33.400 his father for undisclosed reasons. The couple would go on 349 00:20:33.519 --> 00:20:36.359 to have three children. However, Julie would eventually say that 350 00:20:36.480 --> 00:20:39.720 during their over twenty five years of marriage, she would 351 00:20:39.720 --> 00:20:42.720 only be intimate with her husband six times and she 352 00:20:42.839 --> 00:20:44.720 never saw him naked. 353 00:20:45.240 --> 00:20:50.400 Oh boy, six times in twenty five years? What is that? 354 00:20:50.039 --> 00:20:52.200 That is outstanding? 355 00:20:52.839 --> 00:20:56.119 And they got pregnant three times, that's it's fertile. 356 00:20:56.519 --> 00:21:00.519 It's a wild, yes, wild statistic. 357 00:21:01.640 --> 00:21:05.119 You just don't know people's married situations. You know what 358 00:21:05.279 --> 00:21:07.799 kind of contract they've made with each other. 359 00:21:07.960 --> 00:21:08.119 Yeah. 360 00:21:08.160 --> 00:21:12.559 Sure, on the outside were this, But on the inside 361 00:21:12.640 --> 00:21:16.079 he has his tax at jeremy studio that he might 362 00:21:16.240 --> 00:21:17.079 masturbate in. 363 00:21:17.640 --> 00:21:21.799 And this is my home life. 364 00:21:22.079 --> 00:21:24.640 Hey got his mannequins by the pool. 365 00:21:24.680 --> 00:21:26.880 Oh my gosh, I did forget about the mannquins. 366 00:21:27.160 --> 00:21:28.519 Don't forget about the mannikins. 367 00:21:28.799 --> 00:21:29.000 Yeah. 368 00:21:29.680 --> 00:21:29.759 Ye. 369 00:21:30.720 --> 00:21:33.799 Six months after being married, Herb was again committed by 370 00:21:33.839 --> 00:21:37.960 his father, this time for two months. Julie excused the incident, 371 00:21:38.119 --> 00:21:41.640 explaining that Herb's struggles with depression had reached a point 372 00:21:41.640 --> 00:21:45.640 where he was simply hurting and needed help. But Herb 373 00:21:45.759 --> 00:21:49.720 was an amazing father. He doted on their children, showering 374 00:21:49.720 --> 00:21:53.839 them with attention. He took part in all aspects of childcare, 375 00:21:54.279 --> 00:21:57.480 sharing the parental load with Julie. He would participate in 376 00:21:57.519 --> 00:22:01.440 everything from choosing the children's squ ruols to making meals 377 00:22:01.799 --> 00:22:05.359 and shopping for clothes in gifts. During his marriage, Herb 378 00:22:05.400 --> 00:22:08.160 worked a series of odd jobs until he was eventually 379 00:22:08.240 --> 00:22:12.880 hired at the Indiana State Bureau of Motor Vehicles. With 380 00:22:13.000 --> 00:22:16.599 the steady income in Julie's work teaching high school English, 381 00:22:17.000 --> 00:22:19.480 his family was able to afford a middle class home 382 00:22:19.559 --> 00:22:23.440 in the Indiana suburbs. Neighbors described the couple as a 383 00:22:23.440 --> 00:22:26.680 bit odd, but remembered Herb in particular to have been 384 00:22:27.200 --> 00:22:32.480 highly energetic and excitable. His eccentricities were on full display 385 00:22:32.559 --> 00:22:37.759 for his neighbors as he regularly would hand out coverless magazines. 386 00:22:38.279 --> 00:22:41.599 Herb would participate in a scam, taking advantage of a 387 00:22:41.640 --> 00:22:47.279 business policy of stripped cover returns, where sellers were eligible 388 00:22:47.279 --> 00:22:50.640 for money back on unsold magazines and comic books if 389 00:22:50.680 --> 00:22:54.440 they provided the covers of the publications as proof to 390 00:22:54.519 --> 00:22:57.559 the distributor that they had been destroyed instead of sold. 391 00:22:58.039 --> 00:23:00.759 Herb would dumpster dive for the man magazines at his 392 00:23:00.839 --> 00:23:03.640 local croker, which had a habit of throwing them away 393 00:23:03.640 --> 00:23:07.240 without stripping the covers. Taking advantage, Herb would grab the 394 00:23:07.279 --> 00:23:11.559 magazines with the covers, bring them back home, remove the covers, 395 00:23:11.599 --> 00:23:13.359 and then hand them out to people he would see 396 00:23:13.359 --> 00:23:14.359 in a subdivision. 397 00:23:14.759 --> 00:23:18.599 Oh my gosh, mom, you want to copy a red book? 398 00:23:19.119 --> 00:23:19.839 Doesn't have the. 399 00:23:19.799 --> 00:23:23.440 Cover, but yeah, the June issue. It doesn't have the cover, 400 00:23:23.559 --> 00:23:24.799 but it's all there. 401 00:23:24.920 --> 00:23:28.079