WEBVTT 1 00:00:02.200 --> 00:00:10.599 You see, something's going to happen. What's going to happen? 2 00:00:15.480 --> 00:00:17.320 What I. 3 00:00:24.480 --> 00:00:28.600 Welcome back to the occult Rejects. Today we're diving into 4 00:00:28.679 --> 00:00:30.879 a book that is not just about The X Files 5 00:00:30.920 --> 00:00:33.399 as a television show, but about the X Files as 6 00:00:33.439 --> 00:00:37.159 a cultural event, a conspiracy artifact, and a map of 7 00:00:37.200 --> 00:00:41.359 the late twentieth century paranoia. We're talking about the xf 8 00:00:41.520 --> 00:00:45.359 ultra the deepest dive the X Files, Conspiracy Culture, and 9 00:00:45.399 --> 00:00:49.200 the National Security State by Christopher Knowles. Even though the 10 00:00:49.240 --> 00:00:51.280 tunnel alone you can see what kind of territory the 11 00:00:51.280 --> 00:00:55.079 book is moving through not just aliens, monsters and FBI files, 12 00:00:55.119 --> 00:00:59.880 but conspiracy culture, myth symbolism, state secrecy, and the machinery 13 00:01:00.000 --> 00:01:03.280 of modern belief. Knowles himself frames the book as a 14 00:01:03.320 --> 00:01:07.480 work of cultural criticism and historical and artistic analysis, not 15 00:01:07.719 --> 00:01:10.439 just fandom, which is important because this is clearly meant 16 00:01:10.480 --> 00:01:14.359 to go much deeper than a simple episode guide. Christopher 17 00:01:14.439 --> 00:01:16.599 Noles comes into the subject to somebody who has been 18 00:01:17.120 --> 00:01:20.000 circling these themes for a long time. The front matter 19 00:01:20.040 --> 00:01:22.599 shows a body of work already steeped in pop culture, 20 00:01:22.680 --> 00:01:27.040 hidden meanings, comics, rock history and symbolic analysis, and in 21 00:01:27.079 --> 00:01:29.280 the introduction, he makes it clear that this book grew 22 00:01:29.280 --> 00:01:33.400 out of decades long obsession with the X Files. He 23 00:01:33.439 --> 00:01:35.840 even says he co wrote the complete X Files back 24 00:01:35.879 --> 00:01:38.680 in two thousand and eight and describes his own background 25 00:01:38.719 --> 00:01:42.799 as one shaped by paranormal media, punk culture, simple spotting, 26 00:01:42.840 --> 00:01:46.120 and proximity to people tied to the national security world. 27 00:01:46.439 --> 00:01:48.640 So this is not a detached outside of looking in. 28 00:01:48.760 --> 00:01:51.159 This is somebody who sees The X Files as one 29 00:01:51.159 --> 00:01:54.040 of the great modern myth making engines of our time, 30 00:01:54.439 --> 00:01:57.439 and who wants to trace everything packed inside it, from 31 00:01:57.519 --> 00:02:02.280 UFO law and black projects to myth religion, human experimentation, 32 00:02:02.719 --> 00:02:06.040 and the deeper symbolic architecture of this series itself. What 33 00:02:06.159 --> 00:02:08.599 makes this book interesting is that Knowles is not arguing 34 00:02:08.639 --> 00:02:10.840 that The X Files was just a hit show with 35 00:02:11.000 --> 00:02:14.719 creepy monsters in great atmosphere. He's arguing it became something 36 00:02:14.800 --> 00:02:19.719 much larger, a lens for reading the fears, conspiracies, obsessions, 37 00:02:19.879 --> 00:02:22.680 and hidden tensions of the modern world. And when you 38 00:02:22.719 --> 00:02:24.360 look at the table of contents you can see the 39 00:02:24.400 --> 00:02:32.960 ambition immediately. Nineteen seventies conspiracy thrillers, UFO conspiracy theories, human experimentation, mythology, 40 00:02:33.240 --> 00:02:36.560 the Bible Files, the Gnostic X Files, and then season 41 00:02:36.639 --> 00:02:40.719 by season breakdowns tied back into all of it. This 42 00:02:40.759 --> 00:02:43.080 book is trying to explain why The X Files hit 43 00:02:43.159 --> 00:02:46.439 so hard, why it stayed alive in people's minds, and 44 00:02:46.479 --> 00:02:49.240 why it still feels connected to the world long after 45 00:02:49.280 --> 00:02:53.360 the original moment that produced it all. Right, now, enough 46 00:02:53.400 --> 00:02:55.879 out of me, and before we introduced this guest, let 47 00:02:55.919 --> 00:02:58.280 me introduce everybody else that is on the show with us, 48 00:02:58.280 --> 00:03:01.879 all the other rejects. What is going on, Kiva? It's 49 00:03:01.879 --> 00:03:03.479 good to have you back on. How are you? 50 00:03:04.080 --> 00:03:04.560 Yeah? 51 00:03:04.639 --> 00:03:06.599 Yeah, I'm doing great. Thanks for having me back on. 52 00:03:06.719 --> 00:03:07.879 Nice to meet you, Chris. 53 00:03:08.599 --> 00:03:11.319 I do traditional astrology as well as taro. You can 54 00:03:11.360 --> 00:03:13.960 find me at eleven Kaiba Rose thirty three dot com 55 00:03:14.080 --> 00:03:17.319 or Kiva Rose on Instagram, Facebook, and YouTube. 56 00:03:17.479 --> 00:03:20.000 Good to have you, No, thank you so much for 57 00:03:20.039 --> 00:03:22.840 making it. And my man Headless Giant. What is going on? Sir? 58 00:03:22.879 --> 00:03:24.400 How wire? I? Hi? 59 00:03:24.400 --> 00:03:24.719 You doing? 60 00:03:24.759 --> 00:03:27.639 You can find me on Instagram, on Twitter, and on 61 00:03:27.680 --> 00:03:30.800 YouTube at the Headless Giant. I'm also on Rumble right now, 62 00:03:30.879 --> 00:03:34.039 so check those out. I'm happy to get into it. 63 00:03:34.400 --> 00:03:37.919 I've got the trialogue on Sunday with Ethan Indigo and 64 00:03:38.039 --> 00:03:40.960 Ricardo Calvario. I'm probably gonna be doing a live with 65 00:03:41.479 --> 00:03:44.960 Ricardo this Sunday because he's down in Wisconsin, so we're 66 00:03:44.960 --> 00:03:46.360 going to have a good time doing that. 67 00:03:46.439 --> 00:03:47.479 So thank you. 68 00:03:48.080 --> 00:03:52.080 Nice, nice, nice. You know what Joey from a Library 69 00:03:52.120 --> 00:03:54.080 of the n told actually they're building a studio and 70 00:03:54.120 --> 00:03:56.599 he actually asked me if I might be able to 71 00:03:56.639 --> 00:03:59.120 go down there and actually record on his show, so 72 00:03:59.240 --> 00:04:00.599 that would be actually fucking cool. 73 00:04:00.680 --> 00:04:00.800 Man. 74 00:04:00.879 --> 00:04:04.120 Yeah, uh, Brandon, my man, what is going on? How 75 00:04:04.159 --> 00:04:04.439 will you? 76 00:04:05.280 --> 00:04:08.240 What's up? Everyone? So glad to be back. It feels 77 00:04:08.240 --> 00:04:10.120 like it's been forever since I've been on the Reject, 78 00:04:10.199 --> 00:04:14.360 so it's wonderful to see you Nick again. Yeah, Christopher, 79 00:04:14.360 --> 00:04:16.279 I'm so happy to be on this panel with you. 80 00:04:16.519 --> 00:04:18.800 Like I told you beforehand, I've been following you for 81 00:04:18.920 --> 00:04:21.519 years and years. Secret Sun Blog. Everyone should go head 82 00:04:21.560 --> 00:04:24.920 on over there. Lucifer's technology is something that just cracks 83 00:04:24.959 --> 00:04:28.399 open the code of all things. I'd say, quite brilliant. 84 00:04:28.399 --> 00:04:32.639 So you can all follow me on megas in the media, YouTube, X, 85 00:04:33.480 --> 00:04:36.319 all the thing, Instagram. We're doing it and we're doing 86 00:04:36.360 --> 00:04:39.439 it all the time. Yeah, I'm just really excited about 87 00:04:39.439 --> 00:04:41.759 this evening. X Files is one of my favorite shows. 88 00:04:42.040 --> 00:04:45.519 Season three, episode twenty really breaks down a lot of 89 00:04:45.560 --> 00:04:47.319 what's been going on in the world, I think, so 90 00:04:47.360 --> 00:04:50.120 I hope we get into that a little bit today. Yeah, 91 00:04:50.160 --> 00:04:51.319 I'm just excited to be here. 92 00:04:52.120 --> 00:04:54.680 Thank you, Oh, thank you very much. Brandon, it's been 93 00:04:54.720 --> 00:04:57.399 a minute. It's nice to see you back. And Jen 94 00:04:57.600 --> 00:04:59.439 the Ninja, what is going on? How well are you? 95 00:04:59.480 --> 00:05:03.560 Freda, what's a boss? Mister ninety three. I'm so glad 96 00:05:03.600 --> 00:05:07.439 to be here. Thank you so much for inviting me. Obviously, Kaiva, 97 00:05:07.600 --> 00:05:10.120 I've said this publicly on Brandon Show, but one of 98 00:05:10.199 --> 00:05:12.920 my favorite astrologers, probably one of the few that I 99 00:05:12.959 --> 00:05:15.319 really respect, so it's awesome to be on a panel 100 00:05:15.360 --> 00:05:18.800 with her. Brandon, of course, my erstwhile co host on 101 00:05:18.839 --> 00:05:21.519 our Monday Lives, which we've been doing a kind of 102 00:05:21.879 --> 00:05:25.720 gonzo radio, which fits right in with my show, which 103 00:05:25.720 --> 00:05:28.680 is Threshold Saints, which is serial Experiments, inspect Little Ontology. 104 00:05:29.000 --> 00:05:31.519 You can find it on a substack is my best 105 00:05:31.560 --> 00:05:35.199 landing platform, but also Spotify and Apple Threshold Saints substack 106 00:05:35.279 --> 00:05:38.920 dot com. Today I'm dropping an episode with Paul Frederick 107 00:05:38.920 --> 00:05:41.680 of the Demonosofty podcast and we're discussing sort of the 108 00:05:41.800 --> 00:05:44.879 return to Zoroastrianism or what that will look like, of 109 00:05:44.879 --> 00:05:49.600 course with my co host Solo Exile, and I am 110 00:05:49.639 --> 00:05:51.519 really excited to be on a panel with Chris. This 111 00:05:51.560 --> 00:05:53.519 is not my first time being on a panel with Chris. 112 00:05:53.560 --> 00:05:54.879 It was a couple of years ago on End of 113 00:05:54.959 --> 00:05:58.120 Day's Radio. But definitely I think we're going to have 114 00:05:58.160 --> 00:06:01.600 a really interesting discussion. I'm happy to listen and learn, 115 00:06:01.759 --> 00:06:03.720 and I want to shout out arrows in the chat 116 00:06:04.199 --> 00:06:06.959 and also Vanessa, So what's up guys and the Great 117 00:06:07.000 --> 00:06:09.079 Lodge represent Thank you so much, appreciate it. 118 00:06:09.160 --> 00:06:12.040 That's awesome, nice, thank you very much. I appreciate you 119 00:06:12.079 --> 00:06:15.639 making it. And finally, Christopher, please let everybody know like 120 00:06:15.720 --> 00:06:17.480 what's over you where they can find anything that you 121 00:06:17.519 --> 00:06:20.560 want to promote? Any links social media? What do you dealing? 122 00:06:20.720 --> 00:06:23.800 Well, I have you know, I've been on Secret Sun 123 00:06:23.879 --> 00:06:28.759 dot blogspot dot com since two thousand and seven. I've 124 00:06:28.759 --> 00:06:32.160 got the Secret Sun sub stack, and I've got the 125 00:06:32.279 --> 00:06:40.000 Secret Sun Institute for Advanced synchro Mysticism on Patreon and 126 00:06:40.160 --> 00:06:44.600 all all three of those basically you know, they're all 127 00:06:44.720 --> 00:06:48.959 very active. There's some cross posting but a lot of 128 00:06:48.959 --> 00:06:54.079 times you'll get unique information on each particular platform. But 129 00:06:55.120 --> 00:06:57.920 you know, things been rocking and rolling, particularly on the 130 00:06:57.959 --> 00:07:02.240 Patreon since twenty twenty one, so coming up on five years. 131 00:07:04.160 --> 00:07:09.920 Substack opened last year, and I have a YouTube channel, 132 00:07:10.639 --> 00:07:13.759 but I don't really do much on it, you know, 133 00:07:13.800 --> 00:07:16.279 I just sort of repost things. You know. Most of 134 00:07:16.319 --> 00:07:22.639 the materials that I will upload will be excerpts or 135 00:07:22.759 --> 00:07:26.000 reposts from materials that I've done for you know, the 136 00:07:26.040 --> 00:07:31.160 Patreon and the substacks. And I'm doing books you know 137 00:07:31.199 --> 00:07:34.879 I've got of course, we're talking about XCF Ultra, and 138 00:07:34.959 --> 00:07:37.959 I'm working on a sequel to my twenty nineteen novel 139 00:07:39.000 --> 00:07:43.920 He Will Live Up in the Sky, and I'm really trying. 140 00:07:44.680 --> 00:07:48.279 One of my plans is to get both the original 141 00:07:48.279 --> 00:07:52.360 book and the sequel. Now I'm done on audio book 142 00:07:53.399 --> 00:07:57.439 for people, which is going to be a bit of work. 143 00:07:57.519 --> 00:08:02.000 You know, you can't ai those kind of things, uh, 144 00:08:02.240 --> 00:08:05.120 you know, non fiction books because there's so much inflection 145 00:08:05.399 --> 00:08:09.319 and emotion and so on and so forth. So that's 146 00:08:09.360 --> 00:08:12.160 gonna be uh, once I get the book done, I'm 147 00:08:12.160 --> 00:08:14.319 about halfway through it now. Once I get the book done, 148 00:08:14.319 --> 00:08:17.879 I'm going to be hopefully launching a Kickstarter or whatever 149 00:08:18.000 --> 00:08:21.160 to uh raise the funds to get a really good reader. 150 00:08:21.720 --> 00:08:24.560 And both books are very much in the vein of 151 00:08:24.920 --> 00:08:27.480 you know, the things that you talk about that I 152 00:08:27.600 --> 00:08:30.199 talk about, that I blog about that I write books about, 153 00:08:30.240 --> 00:08:34.879 you know. So it's all in the same family. I'm 154 00:08:34.879 --> 00:08:39.120 not I'm not like writing like like a romance novelist, 155 00:08:39.559 --> 00:08:44.279 you know, or historic it's all processing the same kind 156 00:08:44.279 --> 00:08:44.919 of information. 157 00:08:45.200 --> 00:08:46.440 So that's cool. 158 00:08:46.519 --> 00:08:47.440 Yeah, yeah, there you go. 159 00:08:47.639 --> 00:08:49.159 You do have other stuff that you have written that 160 00:08:49.200 --> 00:08:52.960 I didn't mention, but yeah. 161 00:08:51.919 --> 00:08:54.279 Yeah, I've got a number of books. Uh you can 162 00:08:54.360 --> 00:08:57.159 just uh there's a bunch of christ noles is just 163 00:08:57.279 --> 00:08:59.879 let you know. So I I publish under my phone 164 00:09:00.039 --> 00:09:04.200 and Chrystopher loreng Knowles. So if you want to look 165 00:09:04.200 --> 00:09:07.480 me up on Amazon, just make sure because there's a 166 00:09:07.480 --> 00:09:11.240 actually a fairly well known author who does sort of 167 00:09:11.279 --> 00:09:17.279 like military fiction named Kris Nolls. So there you go. 168 00:09:17.440 --> 00:09:17.960 There you have it. 169 00:09:18.120 --> 00:09:20.799 Thank you, thank you very much, because I again appreciate 170 00:09:20.799 --> 00:09:23.320 you coming on and everybody go check out his stuff. 171 00:09:23.360 --> 00:09:25.879 I highly highly suggested if you if you don't know 172 00:09:25.879 --> 00:09:29.120 who he is, if you don't mind, I would like 173 00:09:29.240 --> 00:09:32.159 kind of if you could for the listeners. And I 174 00:09:32.200 --> 00:09:34.600 really enjoyed. I thought it was pretty interesting, maybe because 175 00:09:34.600 --> 00:09:36.440 of my age when we were close to the same age. 176 00:09:36.600 --> 00:09:38.000 I just thought it was interesting for the way that 177 00:09:38.039 --> 00:09:40.720 you put the context of, like, you know, before September tenth, 178 00:09:40.799 --> 00:09:43.919 nineteen ninety three, how your life was and how you know, 179 00:09:43.960 --> 00:09:45.679 how you saw the world and what you were into 180 00:09:46.200 --> 00:09:48.039 before you you know, hit this obsession. 181 00:09:49.720 --> 00:09:51.960 Yeah, I was primed. I was primed and pumps. Believe me, 182 00:09:52.200 --> 00:09:55.000 I was. You know, I was there September tenth, nine 183 00:09:55.000 --> 00:09:59.519 o'clock with Bells on. I was caught in the minutes. Well, 184 00:09:59.559 --> 00:10:01.279 I mean what the reason being is that my wife 185 00:10:01.360 --> 00:10:05.080 and I were really big like Fox TV, like when 186 00:10:05.080 --> 00:10:08.600 it was like Simpson's and I'm embarrassed to say this, 187 00:10:08.639 --> 00:10:14.240 but like Beverly Hills and Melrose Plays and Grounded for Life. 188 00:10:14.279 --> 00:10:16.799 I mean, there was a lot of shows that we 189 00:10:16.799 --> 00:10:21.279 were watching at the time, and we were on Saturday nights. 190 00:10:21.320 --> 00:10:23.679 We had this ritual. We would order pizza and get 191 00:10:23.720 --> 00:10:29.960 beers and watch Cops America's Most Wanted, and then the 192 00:10:30.000 --> 00:10:31.240 show called Sightings. 193 00:10:31.240 --> 00:10:35.399 I don't know if anybody you remember Sightings, right, Yes, 194 00:10:35.600 --> 00:10:39.559 Sightings was sort of this like paranormal News magazine shows 195 00:10:39.600 --> 00:10:42.960 sort of like sixty minutes for High Weirdness, and we 196 00:10:43.000 --> 00:10:45.519 watched you know, that was like that was our nights. 197 00:10:45.519 --> 00:10:52.240 That was our Saturday nights. So we started seeing the 198 00:10:52.279 --> 00:10:55.279 trailers or the promos or whatever you want to call 199 00:10:55.320 --> 00:10:56.960 them for the X Files, and I was just like, 200 00:10:57.000 --> 00:10:59.559 you gotta be kidding me. I'm just like And the 201 00:10:59.639 --> 00:11:02.279 interesting too, is that since they used the same font 202 00:11:02.399 --> 00:11:06.919 that sort of stressed hype fighter font, I thought that 203 00:11:07.080 --> 00:11:09.200 it was a spin off of Sightings, Like I thought, 204 00:11:09.200 --> 00:11:11.120 the X file is going to be a spinoff of Signings, 205 00:11:11.159 --> 00:11:13.919 which is kind of interesting. And it was all like, 206 00:11:14.159 --> 00:11:16.759 you know, it's all gonna be UFOs. So just to 207 00:11:16.879 --> 00:11:19.960 back up, I mean, if you know any of you 208 00:11:20.000 --> 00:11:23.480 guys are younger, or your viewers or listeners are younger, 209 00:11:25.320 --> 00:11:28.200 this was a time like early nineties when like UFO 210 00:11:28.279 --> 00:11:32.639 culture was huge. I mean there would be like conventions, 211 00:11:32.720 --> 00:11:36.720 UFO conventions somewhere like almost every weekend. And this is 212 00:11:36.759 --> 00:11:39.960 like in the wake of like Bob Blazaar and Area 213 00:11:40.039 --> 00:11:44.840 fifty one was a huge thing. You know, Communion was 214 00:11:44.879 --> 00:11:47.720 a few years before, and then you had films like 215 00:11:47.799 --> 00:11:49.679 Fire in the Sky and. 216 00:11:51.279 --> 00:11:51.799 It was just. 217 00:11:53.840 --> 00:11:55.879 There was a much more innocent world. You know. We 218 00:11:56.480 --> 00:11:58.600 a lot of us took it more seriously maybe than 219 00:11:58.639 --> 00:12:02.600 it should have been taken. But it was really big. 220 00:12:03.279 --> 00:12:06.919 And this is also I had just gotten on the 221 00:12:06.960 --> 00:12:12.799 Internet shortly before the X Files began, so there is 222 00:12:12.840 --> 00:12:14.440 this whole thing like the X Files grew up with 223 00:12:14.480 --> 00:12:19.480 the Internet. I got on the Internet I think almost 224 00:12:19.480 --> 00:12:25.120 like maybe a week before the X Files premiered, and 225 00:12:25.159 --> 00:12:27.159 it was like, I can't even begin to tell you 226 00:12:27.200 --> 00:12:28.759 what it was like for me. I mean, this is 227 00:12:28.840 --> 00:12:32.919 like a little twenty four you know, bits per second modem, right, 228 00:12:33.120 --> 00:12:36.759 It's the little archaic thing, right, But it was just 229 00:12:36.840 --> 00:12:39.960 so intoxicating. It was just like I swear to God, 230 00:12:40.000 --> 00:12:43.600 it was like so many injecting opium directly into my 231 00:12:43.759 --> 00:12:46.279 brain stem. It was just incredible. And it was like 232 00:12:46.360 --> 00:12:49.000 that for a while. I really missed those days, I 233 00:12:49.080 --> 00:12:53.000 really do. But I discovered like alt conspiracy and all 234 00:12:53.000 --> 00:12:55.039 this kind of stuff on Usenet, which I had never 235 00:12:55.080 --> 00:12:58.080 really been exposed to. But at the same time I 236 00:12:58.200 --> 00:13:03.720 was really into like sixty Greatest Conspiracies of all Time, 237 00:13:04.320 --> 00:13:06.080 and a couple of years later it was the Big 238 00:13:06.080 --> 00:13:09.320 Book of Conspiracies, I mean, this is really the dawn 239 00:13:09.480 --> 00:13:12.360 of the age, and this is like apocalypse culture. I mean, 240 00:13:12.360 --> 00:13:14.240 I don't know if any of you guys are familiar 241 00:13:14.279 --> 00:13:16.840 with any of these books or whatever, but I was. 242 00:13:17.080 --> 00:13:20.799 There was actually a store in New York called see Here, 243 00:13:21.559 --> 00:13:24.799 which started out just selling like rock magazines, but then 244 00:13:24.840 --> 00:13:26.960 they sort of branched out and they there was a 245 00:13:26.960 --> 00:13:29.519 lot of conspiracy stuff. I mean there was like research 246 00:13:29.559 --> 00:13:32.840 and a mock press and all these kind of things, 247 00:13:33.000 --> 00:13:36.480 and it was really like it was brand new to me, 248 00:13:36.919 --> 00:13:38.919 you know. I mean, even though I had watched like 249 00:13:39.039 --> 00:13:41.279 In Search of and all this kind of you know, 250 00:13:41.720 --> 00:13:46.360 all this conspiracy movies from the seventies. Obviously Three Days 251 00:13:46.360 --> 00:13:49.519 of the condor Parallox Files, so on and so forth, 252 00:13:49.759 --> 00:13:55.200 or Parallax Parallax. Oh, not the Parallax view. I'm getting 253 00:13:55.240 --> 00:13:59.919 confused here. So anyhow, I was just really I was 254 00:14:00.080 --> 00:14:03.200 ready for it, you know, I just was prepared for it. 255 00:14:03.759 --> 00:14:07.320 And that first episode just totally blew me away. But 256 00:14:07.360 --> 00:14:10.159 then the second episode just like freaked me out. Like 257 00:14:10.360 --> 00:14:12.759 I really thought like I was getting put on like 258 00:14:12.759 --> 00:14:15.440 a watch list just for watching the show. I don't 259 00:14:15.440 --> 00:14:18.080 know if anybody's ever seen the second episode, but it's 260 00:14:18.159 --> 00:14:21.159 sort of like their Area fifty one episode. But the 261 00:14:21.200 --> 00:14:25.519 whole thing was just like so incredibly paranoid. It was 262 00:14:25.600 --> 00:14:29.000 like the most paranoid thing I think I'd ever seen 263 00:14:29.039 --> 00:14:31.600 on TV before. But like I said, I mean, I 264 00:14:31.600 --> 00:14:35.240 grew up in the seventies, so I saw Capricorn one 265 00:14:35.440 --> 00:14:37.600 at the movies, you know, I mean all these kinds 266 00:14:37.600 --> 00:14:41.879 of things. So I sort of had the same cultural 267 00:14:42.039 --> 00:14:45.559 background that the writers and the producers of the show had, 268 00:14:45.679 --> 00:14:48.879 you know, even though it was a few years younger 269 00:14:48.879 --> 00:14:52.639 than most of them. But you know, I was ready 270 00:14:52.679 --> 00:14:55.600 for it. So it was really exciting. And I still 271 00:14:55.639 --> 00:14:58.320 think that the X Files pilot is probably the greatest 272 00:14:58.320 --> 00:15:02.960 pilot ever made, you know, as far as like this 273 00:15:03.159 --> 00:15:05.159 is the universe, this is the world. You know, it's 274 00:15:05.440 --> 00:15:09.440 just completely establishing the world and setting the template and 275 00:15:09.879 --> 00:15:12.440 just setting the table for everything that was about to come. 276 00:15:13.240 --> 00:15:15.200 I mean, if you just go back and watch particular 277 00:15:15.200 --> 00:15:17.600 those first two episodes, it's just amazing how well they 278 00:15:17.600 --> 00:15:18.159 stand up. 279 00:15:20.120 --> 00:15:24.440 Thank you, thank you. I know, you do mention something 280 00:15:24.440 --> 00:15:26.480 in here, and I just kind of wanted to maybe 281 00:15:26.519 --> 00:15:28.360 have you kind of give a little bit of a 282 00:15:28.399 --> 00:15:35.159 background on this word hyperstitious because you do hyperstition. Oh okay, 283 00:15:35.240 --> 00:15:37.600 yperstitious mind work. 284 00:15:37.759 --> 00:15:39.600 Well yeah, I might have used it as an as 285 00:15:39.639 --> 00:15:46.519 an adjective. Yeah, so hyperstition is this was it. I 286 00:15:46.559 --> 00:15:48.559 think I might have been Nick Land who came up 287 00:15:48.600 --> 00:15:52.000 with it. It was I think it was. 288 00:15:52.000 --> 00:15:53.480 Him, Yeah, Nick, it was. 289 00:15:53.519 --> 00:15:56.080 It was the you know, that sort of crew out 290 00:15:56.120 --> 00:15:58.519 of the New School, for sure. There's a little debate 291 00:15:58.559 --> 00:16:01.679 about it. I agree. I would say, yeah, I think 292 00:16:01.679 --> 00:16:05.919 it's fair to say, like epistemologically Nick Land, okay, good, 293 00:16:06.080 --> 00:16:07.240 he's the one that popularized it. 294 00:16:07.360 --> 00:16:07.879 Anyway. 295 00:16:08.159 --> 00:16:14.120 So it's this whole idea of you know, using data 296 00:16:15.600 --> 00:16:18.559 almost as like as a form of magic. You know 297 00:16:19.720 --> 00:16:24.879 it really, I mean, it really is a paranormal science 298 00:16:25.039 --> 00:16:28.159 in some ways, I guess you would say. But it 299 00:16:28.559 --> 00:16:33.320 has to do with there's a line in a Great 300 00:16:33.440 --> 00:16:37.799 X Files episode where it says, you know, we predict 301 00:16:37.799 --> 00:16:39.879 the future, and the best way to predict the futures 302 00:16:39.879 --> 00:16:46.200 by inventing it, And that, to me is kind of 303 00:16:46.240 --> 00:16:53.120 how hyperstition basically works. You put all these memes and 304 00:16:53.600 --> 00:16:58.039 concepts and strange vocabulary and all these kind of things 305 00:16:58.080 --> 00:17:02.159 out there, and this is very much obviously an Internet 306 00:17:02.159 --> 00:17:05.640 based kind of thing from that Wild West period of 307 00:17:05.680 --> 00:17:10.559 the early nineties, and you start to change the course 308 00:17:10.599 --> 00:17:18.279 of reality through hyperstition, you know, through introducing these concepts 309 00:17:18.279 --> 00:17:22.160 and ideas and like I said, memes and symbols and 310 00:17:22.200 --> 00:17:26.680 all these kinds of things in a directed way, and 311 00:17:26.720 --> 00:17:28.960 it becomes almost like the sort of push and pull 312 00:17:29.160 --> 00:17:34.680 with external reality. Okay, and if jen am I am 313 00:17:34.680 --> 00:17:38.079 I on on on track there, I mean you said. 314 00:17:38.759 --> 00:17:40.839 I mean I I think you do a great job, Chris. 315 00:17:40.880 --> 00:17:43.200 I'm not going to correct you on it. I think 316 00:17:43.200 --> 00:17:45.640 that does exactly what it is. It's like a memetic magic. 317 00:17:45.720 --> 00:17:49.559 It's it's chaos magic, a little left hand path informed. 318 00:17:50.039 --> 00:17:53.400 It's using memes, keino as the as the Zoomers call 319 00:17:53.440 --> 00:17:56.400 it as I also call it, you know, creating. 320 00:17:58.319 --> 00:17:59.400 I think you said it perfectly. 321 00:17:59.440 --> 00:18:03.599 It's the creator of sort of new words, the syncretism 322 00:18:03.759 --> 00:18:07.519 of words itself. But all poets, in all magicians, like 323 00:18:07.720 --> 00:18:10.200 I always say, Austin Osman Spare, I think he is 324 00:18:10.240 --> 00:18:13.599 the sort of like the og at least kind of 325 00:18:13.599 --> 00:18:15.640 of this kind of magic. I don't think that they're 326 00:18:16.000 --> 00:18:19.799 pulling too far away from the you know, Western magical 327 00:18:19.799 --> 00:18:23.319 tradition with hyperstition. I think it's just maybe a more 328 00:18:23.400 --> 00:18:27.279 literary or literate way to articulate this exactly the same thing. 329 00:18:27.920 --> 00:18:31.039 Well, I think, you know, the whole chaos aspect of it, 330 00:18:31.079 --> 00:18:34.400 I think is you know, you've put the put your 331 00:18:34.400 --> 00:18:37.359 finger on it there. Because the best example I think 332 00:18:37.359 --> 00:18:40.160 of hyperstition would be the whole Kech thing from twenty 333 00:18:40.160 --> 00:18:45.000 sixteen and me on so, and then there was that 334 00:18:46.319 --> 00:18:49.960 you know, rather underwhelming X Files revival that same year 335 00:18:50.680 --> 00:18:55.240 in twenty sixteen, so that would be the you know, 336 00:18:55.319 --> 00:18:59.279 the whole Kech thing, four chan and all that kind 337 00:18:59.359 --> 00:19:04.519 of thing. So, but it's something that I've been thinking 338 00:19:04.559 --> 00:19:07.720 more and more and more about. I mean, this is 339 00:19:08.079 --> 00:19:13.000 something that we can discuss in another episode maybe. But 340 00:19:13.119 --> 00:19:14.839 the two things that I say are that, you know, 341 00:19:15.039 --> 00:19:18.880 as far as synchronisticism is concerned, which I think is 342 00:19:18.920 --> 00:19:24.480 sort of the redheaded cousin of hyperstition in some ways, 343 00:19:24.480 --> 00:19:28.839 it's sort of the poor relation of hyperstition. But I 344 00:19:28.839 --> 00:19:32.400 think the X Files in my mind and the work 345 00:19:32.400 --> 00:19:33.960 that I've done, and I think the work that I 346 00:19:34.079 --> 00:19:36.920 put in the book bears this out. I think it's 347 00:19:37.000 --> 00:19:46.240 the most the second most potent synchronistic generator that I've 348 00:19:46.319 --> 00:19:49.920 ever seen, and then I can even imagine. I don't 349 00:19:49.960 --> 00:19:52.880 think you could have something with that kind of power 350 00:19:54.160 --> 00:19:57.319 at any other time, like not even now, you know, 351 00:19:57.559 --> 00:20:00.279 that time and history, when you still had a mass culture. 352 00:20:00.319 --> 00:20:02.640 We don't have a mass culture anymore. When the Internet 353 00:20:02.799 --> 00:20:06.839 was new, it's not new anymore. You had all these 354 00:20:06.839 --> 00:20:11.960 preconditions that allowed something that was just pumping all this 355 00:20:12.279 --> 00:20:20.279 incredibly potent symbolism into the culture, and it changed. It 356 00:20:20.400 --> 00:20:22.480 changed the I mean I think it changed the course 357 00:20:22.519 --> 00:20:27.599 of history. And that might sound a little over ambitious 358 00:20:27.599 --> 00:20:30.240 in some ways, but but I really do believe it. 359 00:20:30.279 --> 00:20:34.799 I think that it changed the way people thought, Like 360 00:20:34.839 --> 00:20:37.480 you wouldn't have people like Alex Jones and Mark Dice 361 00:20:37.599 --> 00:20:39.559 in the late nineties without the X Files. I mean, 362 00:20:39.599 --> 00:20:42.319 those people were just they just would have never gained 363 00:20:42.319 --> 00:20:45.000 any traction. They would have just seen as you know 364 00:20:45.079 --> 00:20:47.440 as the way the people like that were seen prior 365 00:20:47.480 --> 00:20:52.599 to the X Files is just completely marginal, irrelevant, koops. 366 00:20:53.920 --> 00:20:57.759 And it was because the X Files had made this 367 00:20:57.880 --> 00:21:05.000 whole worldview so alluring, And I think alluring is really 368 00:21:05.039 --> 00:21:12.079 the term that it gave, you know, conspiracy culture and 369 00:21:12.440 --> 00:21:15.240 all the rest of it a push that I can't 370 00:21:15.279 --> 00:21:18.839 imagine would it ever ever happened without it? 371 00:21:18.920 --> 00:21:22.000 Okay, that's interesting that you're saying that. I just want 372 00:21:22.000 --> 00:21:25.480 to ask real quick, maybe your opinion and other people's opinion. 373 00:21:26.519 --> 00:21:28.920 Could you see the Epstein files kind of like being 374 00:21:29.000 --> 00:21:32.480 the kind of redone again, because like that's now giving 375 00:21:32.519 --> 00:21:34.759 people who were like maybe like I've known a lot 376 00:21:34.759 --> 00:21:36.640 of people, have seen a lot of people that really 377 00:21:36.799 --> 00:21:40.759 that was their conspiracy awakening. Now, so like I feel 378 00:21:40.799 --> 00:21:43.799 like it's it's putting. I also have a problem with 379 00:21:43.880 --> 00:21:46.680 believing it might be real, but I do see that 380 00:21:46.799 --> 00:21:49.640 now it's like it is putting shit that was considered 381 00:21:49.680 --> 00:21:51.960 a year or two ago, fucking fanatic thinking into like, 382 00:21:52.000 --> 00:21:52.759 oh no, what's real. 383 00:21:54.480 --> 00:21:57.759 Yeah, no, it's true. But I also thinks there is 384 00:21:57.799 --> 00:22:00.839 a lot of hyperstition there. But I'll also think that 385 00:22:00.920 --> 00:22:03.640 I think that Epstein himself was very aware of the 386 00:22:03.839 --> 00:22:10.000 of the concept of hyperstition and the concept of me magic. 387 00:22:11.480 --> 00:22:13.759 You know, he was he was hanging out on all 388 00:22:13.759 --> 00:22:17.720 these boards. I mean, didn't he have I did? I 389 00:22:17.359 --> 00:22:20.960 am I correct? Did he have like a four chance account? 390 00:22:20.960 --> 00:22:24.079 I know he had a discord I think, so, I 391 00:22:24.079 --> 00:22:27.640 mean he was tuned into this all these ideas and 392 00:22:27.680 --> 00:22:29.599 so on. He was following all this stuff. So I 393 00:22:29.640 --> 00:22:33.759 think it gets to be very murky. But I do 394 00:22:33.799 --> 00:22:36.799 think one of the main one of the I think 395 00:22:36.799 --> 00:22:41.839 one of the main objectives behind the epstein whatever it is. 396 00:22:41.920 --> 00:22:47.799 I mean, whether it's a pyop or hyperstition or conspiracy, 397 00:22:47.880 --> 00:22:50.440 whatever you choose to label it as. And it's going 398 00:22:50.480 --> 00:22:53.079 to depend on how you perceive it, right, But I 399 00:22:53.079 --> 00:22:55.759 think and I said this, and I got in trouble 400 00:22:55.759 --> 00:22:57.839 for saying this, but it's like, I think the idea 401 00:22:58.000 --> 00:23:02.079 was like to push the concept, to push this notion 402 00:23:02.119 --> 00:23:05.799 in the public mind that elite pedophiles are interested in 403 00:23:05.960 --> 00:23:11.279 post pubescent girls, when in reality, elite pedophiles are almost 404 00:23:11.440 --> 00:23:15.200 exclusively interested in pre pubescent boys. Okay, I mean that's 405 00:23:15.240 --> 00:23:19.000 just the reality of it. And I think that people 406 00:23:19.039 --> 00:23:22.440 have gotten sort of misdirected, you know. I think it's 407 00:23:22.559 --> 00:23:26.559 very convenient for a lot of people who are involved 408 00:23:26.839 --> 00:23:32.440 in elite predation let's just call it, to think, oh, well, 409 00:23:33.200 --> 00:23:36.039 it's just you know, it's these sixteen year old girls 410 00:23:36.039 --> 00:23:38.720 who you know, they would have gotten in trouble somehow anyway. 411 00:23:38.720 --> 00:23:41.119 You know, they are just you know, from trailer parks, 412 00:23:41.119 --> 00:23:43.359 and they're all headed for trouble. You know, they probab 413 00:23:43.359 --> 00:23:45.440 would have just been like working the strip in Pensacola 414 00:23:45.519 --> 00:23:51.359 or something whatever. And then that's shifting the shifting the 415 00:23:51.400 --> 00:23:56.119 focus away from what it really should be on, which 416 00:23:56.160 --> 00:24:00.759 is that it's always been It's always been and you 417 00:24:00.799 --> 00:24:04.480 read this in religion, in history and myth it's always 418 00:24:04.519 --> 00:24:08.240 been focused on pep besting boys. And this might be 419 00:24:08.400 --> 00:24:12.119 like a little bit of a you know, maybe this 420 00:24:12.200 --> 00:24:14.559 is a little bit too much of us, you know, 421 00:24:14.599 --> 00:24:19.359 a strong drink for people, but I really do believe. 422 00:24:19.039 --> 00:24:21.039 That, and I think, well, I thought that was something 423 00:24:21.039 --> 00:24:23.200 weird about the files. I was like, where's the boys. 424 00:24:23.200 --> 00:24:25.200 It's like, this is old girls. Like I did actually 425 00:24:25.240 --> 00:24:25.880 find that weird. 426 00:24:25.920 --> 00:24:29.400 I was like it was, yeah, well that's see, that's 427 00:24:29.440 --> 00:24:32.160 the thing that gets my hackles up. That's the thing 428 00:24:32.200 --> 00:24:35.759 that raises my suspicions about the true nature of this 429 00:24:35.839 --> 00:24:40.079 whole operation. And like I said, I mean, it's like 430 00:24:41.839 --> 00:24:47.279 I think most people take it for granted if you 431 00:24:48.200 --> 00:24:53.759 read the newspaper even that you know, girls under the 432 00:24:53.799 --> 00:24:56.440 age of twenty, you know, say, between the ages of 433 00:24:56.440 --> 00:25:01.240 fourteen and twenty are very highly sought aft or for prostitution, 434 00:25:01.400 --> 00:25:05.799 whether it's in sort of this gray market prostitution in 435 00:25:06.279 --> 00:25:10.880 Las Vegas or Los Angeles, wherever, you know, whatever you're 436 00:25:10.880 --> 00:25:15.079 talking about. And I think it's just like the problem 437 00:25:15.119 --> 00:25:21.640 that I had. And this gets to vocabulary and definition. Epstein, 438 00:25:21.759 --> 00:25:25.480 as we know it was not technically a pedophile. He 439 00:25:25.640 --> 00:25:28.759 was in a feeble file. He was interested in adolescence. 440 00:25:29.160 --> 00:25:33.240 Those are two different phenomena. You might have been following 441 00:25:33.279 --> 00:25:37.559 this horrible situation in Texas, right with this FedEx driver 442 00:25:38.480 --> 00:25:42.039 who kidnaps this girl. See that, to me is what 443 00:25:42.240 --> 00:25:46.039 see Pedophilia to me is also very very much a 444 00:25:46.079 --> 00:25:50.559 misnomer because really what it is is pedopathy because it always, 445 00:25:50.720 --> 00:25:54.319 it always leads to violence. You know, the children in 446 00:25:55.160 --> 00:25:58.640 the materials that they consume always get younger and younger 447 00:25:58.640 --> 00:26:02.759 and younger. It always becomes violent, all right, it always be. 448 00:26:03.000 --> 00:26:10.240 It doesn't always end in murder, but violence is really 449 00:26:10.279 --> 00:26:15.559 at the core of it, because it is a moral sickness, Okay, 450 00:26:16.079 --> 00:26:20.480 And I think redefining that is this this some sleazy 451 00:26:20.519 --> 00:26:24.119 old banker from New York who has a taste for 452 00:26:24.480 --> 00:26:28.680 sixteen year old blonde girls from Florida doesn't really do 453 00:26:30.319 --> 00:26:33.599 the real problem. You know, it doesn't do that doesn't 454 00:26:33.599 --> 00:26:37.400 do justice to what the problem really is all about. Okay, 455 00:26:38.160 --> 00:26:39.920 so I'm sorry, I'll get off my soap. 456 00:26:40.200 --> 00:26:43.279 Yeah, yeah, you're good. 457 00:26:42.400 --> 00:26:44.319 It's just you know, you'll see a lot of this 458 00:26:44.400 --> 00:26:48.359 in the X Files too. I mean a lot of episodes. 459 00:26:48.880 --> 00:26:54.359 One episode that I'm thinking of in particular, and there's 460 00:26:55.440 --> 00:26:58.680 you know, since this is meant for public consumption, we 461 00:26:58.720 --> 00:27:02.440 won't get into a think he was really going after. 462 00:27:02.519 --> 00:27:05.119 But there's an episode called Red Museum, which is one 463 00:27:05.160 --> 00:27:07.519 of what I call the nonfiction episodes, and it's it's 464 00:27:07.559 --> 00:27:15.799 about this town where they're injecting the cattle with weird 465 00:27:16.319 --> 00:27:20.960 genetically modified drugs and so on, but they're also injecting 466 00:27:21.039 --> 00:27:27.079 the kids, and it's you know, a pedo sort of 467 00:27:27.519 --> 00:27:30.680 blows the cover on the whole thing. But as I said, 468 00:27:30.720 --> 00:27:33.079 I mean, he's interested in young boys, you know what 469 00:27:33.119 --> 00:27:37.440 I'm saying. And that's really again, I mean, this is 470 00:27:38.079 --> 00:27:41.759 you know, maybe a little bit too dark for noontime 471 00:27:41.799 --> 00:27:44.960 on a Friday, but that's just that's just the way 472 00:27:44.960 --> 00:27:46.759 it is. And that's the problem that I do have 473 00:27:46.920 --> 00:27:49.640 with the Epstein materials is that I think that it 474 00:27:50.079 --> 00:27:52.680 is a huge distraction for what the problem really is. 475 00:27:53.920 --> 00:27:56.160 There's a I do want to add to that and 476 00:27:56.240 --> 00:27:58.960 also kind of like take a paradigm shift. But in 477 00:27:59.000 --> 00:28:01.480 that the whole idea of Chris Carter and X files 478 00:28:01.519 --> 00:28:05.880 kind of blowing this thing open for for like an 479 00:28:05.920 --> 00:28:09.319 Alex Jones and everyone to do their thing. I completely agree, 480 00:28:09.359 --> 00:28:13.519 and it's quite fascinating. How then, that is itself a 481 00:28:13.559 --> 00:28:18.319 paradigm shift in the collective consciousness of the media marketing 482 00:28:18.960 --> 00:28:23.480 slash human angle to be able to see something and 483 00:28:23.519 --> 00:28:26.920 then for to like basically plant seeds of people who 484 00:28:26.960 --> 00:28:29.920 are already on the outskirts and then allow it for 485 00:28:30.319 --> 00:28:32.640 them to open up these radio shows and things like that. 486 00:28:32.680 --> 00:28:35.759 So I do find that to be it's an easy 487 00:28:35.799 --> 00:28:41.480 way to see how modern myth is interactive in human experentiality, 488 00:28:41.640 --> 00:28:44.839 and how it's not just myths are outside of us 489 00:28:44.880 --> 00:28:48.000 and humans and the experiences we have or outside of us, 490 00:28:48.079 --> 00:28:51.519 but they're deeply integrated and as well. You then get 491 00:28:51.519 --> 00:28:54.400 this inversion with what you were just talking about with 492 00:28:54.599 --> 00:29:00.279 how how do you traumatize and create traumatized humans is 493 00:29:00.319 --> 00:29:02.559 to start at a young age, no matter who they are, 494 00:29:02.839 --> 00:29:05.880 boy or girl. But it's really fascinating that then in 495 00:29:06.039 --> 00:29:11.000 the military industrial mechanized, old garchical parasite class that how 496 00:29:11.000 --> 00:29:14.039 do you build up people in vulnerable states, Just like 497 00:29:14.079 --> 00:29:17.000 in the LSD experiments, you put somebody in a vulnerable state. 498 00:29:17.039 --> 00:29:18.640 It doesn't always have to be a drugs. It can 499 00:29:18.680 --> 00:29:22.119 be with these lower circuits that you know, sex and 500 00:29:22.160 --> 00:29:24.680 all these different things and put them through terrible emotions 501 00:29:24.880 --> 00:29:28.839 and then you can implant these circuitry these new programs, 502 00:29:29.119 --> 00:29:32.440 put them into Hollywood, put them into the public sphere, 503 00:29:32.440 --> 00:29:36.279 and it's almost like they're walking eggrogres themselves. They're walking 504 00:29:36.400 --> 00:29:39.440 dark shades of the Night of the kliptotic spirits. As 505 00:29:39.480 --> 00:29:42.480 then they go and they push up against everybody else, 506 00:29:43.079 --> 00:29:45.839 you know, And so it's a fascinating that's a fascinating discussion. 507 00:29:45.880 --> 00:29:49.079 So I just want to add that to it. Is 508 00:29:49.240 --> 00:29:52.480 how you create an inverted myth for our culture to 509 00:29:52.720 --> 00:29:55.480 follow and then at the same time be able to 510 00:29:55.519 --> 00:29:57.960 cover it up and say, well, that's just all fantasy. 511 00:29:58.440 --> 00:30:01.319 Because it just happened in a TV show doesn't mean 512 00:30:01.319 --> 00:30:03.319 it's happening in real life. And so there's just so 513 00:30:03.440 --> 00:30:04.160 many layers. 514 00:30:04.839 --> 00:30:07.759 Well, there's also a liminality to it as well. Okay, 515 00:30:08.400 --> 00:30:11.880 because when you the whole thing is that Chris Carter said, 516 00:30:12.079 --> 00:30:14.440 it has to be real. You know, it's only scary 517 00:30:14.480 --> 00:30:17.480 if it's real. But to me, the episodes I'm not 518 00:30:17.599 --> 00:30:24.599 afraid of, the episodes of you know, vampires or whatever, right, mutants, zombies, 519 00:30:24.920 --> 00:30:27.319 you know, I'm the episodes of the X Files that 520 00:30:27.400 --> 00:30:29.559 really scare me are the ones that I call the 521 00:30:29.640 --> 00:30:34.240 non fiction episodes, the episodes about mind control, the episodes 522 00:30:34.319 --> 00:30:38.039 about human experimentation. I mean, there's and there's a whole 523 00:30:38.119 --> 00:30:41.920 host of those, right, those episodes are the ones that 524 00:30:41.960 --> 00:30:44.079 really get on your skin. And I had mentioned that 525 00:30:44.200 --> 00:30:48.079 second episode Deep Throat. Now, if you watch that up, actually, 526 00:30:48.079 --> 00:30:50.519 if you watch the first two episodes, you doesn't. And 527 00:30:50.559 --> 00:30:53.200 I write this in the book, there's no reason to 528 00:30:53.240 --> 00:30:55.759 believe that any of this is aliens, that anything that 529 00:30:55.799 --> 00:31:00.279 you're seeing is anything but the military. And and this 530 00:31:00.319 --> 00:31:03.119 is something that's explicitly spelled out in the in the 531 00:31:03.160 --> 00:31:06.960 series as well in the fifth season, there's no reason 532 00:31:06.960 --> 00:31:08.960 if you go back and watch that, it's just it's 533 00:31:09.000 --> 00:31:12.640 all about people being experienced on the first season, you know, 534 00:31:12.680 --> 00:31:17.000 the first pilot, like I said, it's about kids being 535 00:31:17.079 --> 00:31:21.599 experimented on and there's no there's no trace. You don't 536 00:31:21.640 --> 00:31:23.720 see a gray, you don't see a UFO. I mean, 537 00:31:23.720 --> 00:31:26.000 you'll you'll see some lights in the woods and so on, 538 00:31:26.079 --> 00:31:28.279 but that could be anything. That could be some sort 539 00:31:28.319 --> 00:31:31.519 of helicopter, could be any you know, just something special 540 00:31:31.519 --> 00:31:34.279 effects that they were putting on for the for the 541 00:31:34.319 --> 00:31:38.079 agent's benefit. So when you when you put it in 542 00:31:38.160 --> 00:31:40.160 that kind of context. And this is why the Scully 543 00:31:40.240 --> 00:31:45.400 character is so important too, because she ideally provides a 544 00:31:45.519 --> 00:31:50.559 very credible alternative explanation to what you're seeing. And there 545 00:31:50.599 --> 00:31:53.559 is this weird and this, you know, this cuts to 546 00:31:53.599 --> 00:31:56.480 the heart of the liminality. There's something that I've always 547 00:31:56.519 --> 00:32:04.119 noticed is that the most effective paranormal, supernatural, mystical, whatever 548 00:32:04.319 --> 00:32:06.759 kind of stories you're talking about. To me, the most 549 00:32:06.799 --> 00:32:09.960 effective ones are the ones that are for you, within 550 00:32:10.000 --> 00:32:15.480 the narrative, a very credible counter explanation to the paranormal, 551 00:32:15.559 --> 00:32:18.920 to the to the mystical, to the spiritual, to the supernatural. 552 00:32:19.000 --> 00:32:22.640 But ever, this this is a very strange power and 553 00:32:22.640 --> 00:32:27.039 I think it is some sort of I'm not exactly 554 00:32:27.119 --> 00:32:29.960 even sure how to explain it, but it's something that 555 00:32:30.000 --> 00:32:33.920 I've noticed, you know, throughout you know, throughout all the 556 00:32:33.960 --> 00:32:36.839 things that I've read and watched and so on and 557 00:32:36.839 --> 00:32:40.599 so forth, that the best story. That's why the Scully 558 00:32:40.759 --> 00:32:44.240 character is so important to me, because she's the voice 559 00:32:44.240 --> 00:32:46.839 of the audience. And I think I believe Chris Carter 560 00:32:46.960 --> 00:32:51.480 said that. So that's when that liminality and that and 561 00:32:51.519 --> 00:32:54.119 then it starts to break out of the screen. You know, 562 00:32:54.160 --> 00:32:58.000 it starts to break out of the confines of fictional content, right, 563 00:32:58.559 --> 00:33:03.000 it starts to I don't I don't want to use 564 00:33:03.039 --> 00:33:05.319 the word infect because that sort of has a negative 565 00:33:05.319 --> 00:33:07.359 connotation to it, but it's you know, it starts to 566 00:33:07.400 --> 00:33:11.119 play in seeds in your mind. And that again, that's 567 00:33:11.160 --> 00:33:13.160 why I think the show was so I mean, there'd 568 00:33:13.200 --> 00:33:18.200 been a bunch of shows in the past, like The 569 00:33:18.440 --> 00:33:22.720 X Files. You know, the main example that people always 570 00:33:22.759 --> 00:33:25.640 cite is cull Check the Night Stalk from the early seventies, 571 00:33:26.519 --> 00:33:32.319 but that didn't have a powerful counterargument to the paranormal 572 00:33:32.559 --> 00:33:35.079 and that's why it didn't last long, and that's why 573 00:33:35.119 --> 00:33:38.359 it didn't have the effect, right, I mean, let's be 574 00:33:38.519 --> 00:33:41.279 frank here. I mean, it's also the chemistry between David 575 00:33:41.319 --> 00:33:45.799 d'copany and Jillian Anderson, ironically, who hated each other's guts 576 00:33:45.839 --> 00:33:47.920 when they were making the show, but they had this 577 00:33:48.039 --> 00:33:52.319 incredible on screen chemistry. But see, that's what that's what 578 00:33:52.480 --> 00:33:55.359 it was really all about for me, is that when 579 00:33:55.440 --> 00:33:59.680 ideas break out of the confines of fiction, when they 580 00:33:59.680 --> 00:34:02.519 break the confines of entertainment, when they break out of 581 00:34:02.519 --> 00:34:06.160 the confines of like a weekly television show, and they 582 00:34:06.200 --> 00:34:10.039 start to plan seeds in the culture, and that is 583 00:34:10.079 --> 00:34:13.519 a formula that will never be replicated. I don't think 584 00:34:13.559 --> 00:34:15.679 I don't think you'll ever see anything like that again. 585 00:34:16.760 --> 00:34:23.559 And that paradigm shift that you're referring to really boils 586 00:34:23.639 --> 00:34:28.320 down to a bunch of really smart people who really 587 00:34:28.320 --> 00:34:32.039 did the reading, really did the research, and maybe did 588 00:34:32.039 --> 00:34:34.480 have this sort of sense that they did want to 589 00:34:35.679 --> 00:34:37.599 They didn't have the term for it. I don't know 590 00:34:37.639 --> 00:34:41.920 if they knew of the term hyperstition, but they were basically, 591 00:34:42.760 --> 00:34:45.239 you know, it's it is a former chaos magic, I 592 00:34:45.280 --> 00:34:47.519 think ideally. 593 00:34:47.119 --> 00:34:50.039 So in some ways, you could see the bi camera 594 00:34:50.280 --> 00:34:53.199 mind in both Molder and Scully. Right, You've got this 595 00:34:54.280 --> 00:34:57.559 this guy going out there and trying to find the unknown, 596 00:34:57.599 --> 00:35:01.159 and then the grounding of the more rational in Scully 597 00:35:01.880 --> 00:35:04.719 and the two of them together almost walk the audience 598 00:35:05.199 --> 00:35:08.599 up to the point of actually believing this stuff, because 599 00:35:08.920 --> 00:35:11.159 in a lot of ways, at the end of the episode, 600 00:35:11.400 --> 00:35:16.599 Scully's explanations are kind of like too outside of the realm, 601 00:35:16.599 --> 00:35:18.480 and you're almost like yelling at her. Can't you see 602 00:35:18.519 --> 00:35:19.840 it's right in front of your face? 603 00:35:19.920 --> 00:35:20.159 You know. 604 00:35:20.599 --> 00:35:23.440 Meanwhile, you know, Moulders out there getting kidnapped by Grays 605 00:35:23.559 --> 00:35:26.280 or whatever it is, and you don't know, you know 606 00:35:26.360 --> 00:35:28.639 exactly how to get back to it, but you know, 607 00:35:28.679 --> 00:35:31.679 it's like a step by step process where the audience 608 00:35:31.760 --> 00:35:34.320 is then, you know, led to the conclusion that maybe 609 00:35:34.400 --> 00:35:36.480 there is something else out there, or maybe there is, 610 00:35:36.719 --> 00:35:39.079 but you're always left with that uncertainty because of those 611 00:35:39.079 --> 00:35:42.119 two characters and their reflective nature on each other. 612 00:35:42.559 --> 00:35:47.920 Well, there's a very important concept here that I know. 613 00:35:48.119 --> 00:35:49.679 I mean, since I did work on the book and 614 00:35:49.719 --> 00:35:53.159 I read you know, these hours of transcripts of interviews 615 00:35:53.159 --> 00:35:55.760 and so on with all the producers and writers and 616 00:35:55.760 --> 00:35:59.960 so on, they were very focused on point of view, 617 00:36:00.320 --> 00:36:04.320 like who is telling you this story? And really all 618 00:36:05.360 --> 00:36:07.719 everything you see on the screen is the result of 619 00:36:07.760 --> 00:36:11.519 an unreliable narrator. It's always from somebody's point of view, 620 00:36:11.559 --> 00:36:15.199 which is colored by their preconceptions, which is colored by 621 00:36:15.199 --> 00:36:18.920 their beliefs, which is colored by their prejudices. Okay, so 622 00:36:19.480 --> 00:36:22.920 that's something when you go, if you're going to do 623 00:36:23.039 --> 00:36:27.400 like a rewatch, you know you're not watching a presentation 624 00:36:27.519 --> 00:36:32.039 of objective reality ever on that show, Okay, And and 625 00:36:32.239 --> 00:36:38.280 very deliberately so, they always were presenting you who is 626 00:36:38.320 --> 00:36:42.239 telling you this story? Is this scholar? Is this Mauldi scholar? 627 00:36:42.599 --> 00:36:44.440 Is this Skully? Is a small or is this somebody else? 628 00:36:44.440 --> 00:36:45.679 I mean, who who's who? 629 00:36:45.760 --> 00:36:46.199 Is? 630 00:36:46.400 --> 00:36:49.280 Whose point of view is this story coming from? And 631 00:36:49.760 --> 00:36:52.920 one of the things that I mean, one of the 632 00:36:52.920 --> 00:36:58.800 main sections in the book is I my fand theory, 633 00:36:58.920 --> 00:37:02.119 my Ultimate ex Files fant theory. And and I'll share 634 00:37:02.199 --> 00:37:04.679 this now. I mean, I might as well just let 635 00:37:04.800 --> 00:37:08.519 us loose. Now. I have this fan theory that The 636 00:37:08.639 --> 00:37:14.760 X Files is really about these two subjects of this vast, 637 00:37:15.039 --> 00:37:23.360 far reaching mind control and eugenics program. Okay, and bear 638 00:37:23.400 --> 00:37:26.239 with me here. I've thought about this for a very 639 00:37:26.280 --> 00:37:29.960 long time. So really, what Molder and Scully are is 640 00:37:30.000 --> 00:37:36.159 that their assassins, Okay, they're programmed assassins, and they're programmed 641 00:37:36.199 --> 00:37:40.039 with their particular point of view with their particular prejudices, right, 642 00:37:41.320 --> 00:37:44.480 But there's this huge program, this post war program, this 643 00:37:44.559 --> 00:37:47.719 eugenics program, you know, to create a slave race, to 644 00:37:47.760 --> 00:37:52.440 create super soldiers, you know, to create all these various, uh, 645 00:37:53.880 --> 00:37:58.360 subsets of humanity. And they were chosen because their families 646 00:37:58.360 --> 00:38:02.760 were both part of the military industrial complex. They were chosen, 647 00:38:02.800 --> 00:38:06.159 you know, not only to be these programmed assassins. So 648 00:38:06.320 --> 00:38:09.599 when they're hunting down these monsters and so on, really 649 00:38:09.639 --> 00:38:13.599 what they're hunting down are the rejects or the escapees 650 00:38:13.719 --> 00:38:17.800 from this genetic engineering program. And I mean, as crazy 651 00:38:17.840 --> 00:38:20.199 as that sounds to some people, there is an episode 652 00:38:20.639 --> 00:38:25.400 in that twenty sixteen season called Founders Mutation that basically 653 00:38:25.559 --> 00:38:27.840 kind of spells that out. And that was that was 654 00:38:27.880 --> 00:38:31.119 the episode. I mean, even though that series miniseries whatever 655 00:38:31.320 --> 00:38:34.239 was pretty underwhelming, that episode blew my mind open because 656 00:38:34.239 --> 00:38:37.079 I'm like, oh, there's there's the final puzzle. So you're 657 00:38:37.079 --> 00:38:41.159 not watching these two separate series where like there'll be 658 00:38:41.199 --> 00:38:45.519 the episodes with the UFO and alien conspiracy and then 659 00:38:45.599 --> 00:38:48.360 you'll watch the episodes with like the monsters and so on. No, 660 00:38:48.440 --> 00:38:53.119 it's all the same story because they're not aliens, they're 661 00:38:53.119 --> 00:38:57.880 not monsters as we understand them. It's all part of 662 00:38:57.920 --> 00:39:02.480 this genetics program, and Moulderin's Gully are programmed to think 663 00:39:02.480 --> 00:39:05.559 that they're fighting monsters or they're chasing aliens or whatever 664 00:39:06.239 --> 00:39:08.559 to assuage their consciences so they can, you know, they 665 00:39:08.599 --> 00:39:11.519 can kill these poor creatures who are all part of 666 00:39:11.559 --> 00:39:17.760 this genetic horrific experimentation you know that started in the 667 00:39:17.800 --> 00:39:19.840 post war paper clip and all the rest of it. 668 00:39:21.719 --> 00:39:23.719 But at the same time, they're also being primed to 669 00:39:23.800 --> 00:39:27.480 create like children, you know, bere offspring for the new 670 00:39:27.519 --> 00:39:31.840 super race. Now I spelled this out in great detail 671 00:39:31.920 --> 00:39:35.840 because I can cite you chapter in verse in all 672 00:39:35.880 --> 00:39:41.079 the different episodes that bolst of this theory. And like 673 00:39:41.119 --> 00:39:43.480 I said, in those first two episodes, you don't see aliens. 674 00:39:43.519 --> 00:39:45.760 There's no why would you believe in aliens. There's no 675 00:39:46.199 --> 00:39:48.119 sign of aliens anywhere. I mean, you don't. I don't 676 00:39:48.119 --> 00:39:50.400 think you even see actual, like sort of gray aliens 677 00:39:50.440 --> 00:39:53.079 until the second season, and even then you're not sure 678 00:39:53.079 --> 00:39:57.960 if it's a hallucination or not. And that's kind of 679 00:39:58.000 --> 00:40:01.519 the magic of the series as well. Now, if you 680 00:40:01.599 --> 00:40:03.800 go back and watch that with that in mind, you 681 00:40:03.800 --> 00:40:07.880 should also you know, read the book so I can 682 00:40:07.920 --> 00:40:12.920 explain it for you know, episode by episode it will 683 00:40:12.960 --> 00:40:15.960 start to you'll suddenly realize that you're watching a completely 684 00:40:16.000 --> 00:40:19.199 different series than the one you thought you were. And 685 00:40:19.239 --> 00:40:21.639 again that granted that is a theory, right, it's a 686 00:40:21.679 --> 00:40:24.480 fan there, but I think it's pretty well supported by 687 00:40:24.480 --> 00:40:27.599 the evidence. So there you go. 688 00:40:28.320 --> 00:40:30.440 Yeah, that's great. I wanted to bring up, like I 689 00:40:30.480 --> 00:40:33.039 did beforehand, my favorite episode. I have a bunch of 690 00:40:33.039 --> 00:40:37.480 favorite episodes, but it's from season three, episode twenty, the 691 00:40:37.599 --> 00:40:38.920 jose Chunk from outer Space. 692 00:40:38.960 --> 00:40:41.599 Oh yeah, there you go. That's the that's the one. 693 00:40:42.000 --> 00:40:45.079 That's exactly. That's the one what I'm talking about. And 694 00:40:45.119 --> 00:40:47.400 it's got so many exactly so it's got so many 695 00:40:47.440 --> 00:40:48.800 layers in it. So I don't know if it's better 696 00:40:48.840 --> 00:40:52.159 for you to describe it what's going on there, because 697 00:40:52.199 --> 00:40:55.119 you get everything. You get the two kids who are 698 00:40:55.280 --> 00:40:58.440 driving home after a date and they get confronted by 699 00:40:58.440 --> 00:41:01.519 a UFO and then and all you know is that 700 00:41:01.559 --> 00:41:03.360 they go, they get home, they don't know how they 701 00:41:03.400 --> 00:41:05.960 got there. The girl has her clothes inside out. People 702 00:41:06.000 --> 00:41:09.880 are thinking it's it's date grape. And then all of 703 00:41:09.920 --> 00:41:12.039 a sudden, the boy's like no, that's not what happened. 704 00:41:12.079 --> 00:41:15.519 And then Moulder and Scully are being interviewed by Jose Chung, 705 00:41:15.559 --> 00:41:18.360 who's an actual writer in real life and he wrote 706 00:41:18.400 --> 00:41:20.760 that episode, right, is that No? 707 00:41:20.760 --> 00:41:22.320 No, he's a fictional character. 708 00:41:22.639 --> 00:41:24.719 Oh I thought he was an actual writer. Okay, nice, 709 00:41:24.760 --> 00:41:25.639 Well they got okay. 710 00:41:25.719 --> 00:41:28.760 But there are two different theories that I've heard. One 711 00:41:28.840 --> 00:41:30.400 is that he's based on John Keel. 712 00:41:31.440 --> 00:41:34.000 That's actually what i've heard, you're and the other. 713 00:41:33.880 --> 00:41:35.559 One is that he's based on Whitley Streeber. 714 00:41:36.800 --> 00:41:39.519 That's a good combination, but take you. Yeah, But for 715 00:41:39.679 --> 00:41:42.320 the episode, why it's exactly what you were just talking 716 00:41:42.320 --> 00:41:46.760 about is because you're getting now Moulder and Scully being 717 00:41:46.760 --> 00:41:49.519 interviewed by this writer who's trying to write this piece 718 00:41:49.639 --> 00:41:53.920 on on aliens and different things, and they're trying to 719 00:41:53.920 --> 00:41:57.719 break down and understand if this was actually a terrible 720 00:41:57.760 --> 00:42:04.639 sexual encounter, or if they actually were abducted by UFOs, 721 00:42:05.360 --> 00:42:09.159 or if it was the Military Industrial Complex who actually 722 00:42:09.199 --> 00:42:12.280 took them in for human experimentation and then did a 723 00:42:12.320 --> 00:42:17.280 psychological experiment on them that blanked out their memory, or 724 00:42:18.119 --> 00:42:21.159 actually it was all three and not the gray aliens, 725 00:42:21.199 --> 00:42:23.800 but different aliens were going on. So you get memory. 726 00:42:23.880 --> 00:42:28.920 You get these kids who actually have imprinted implanted memories 727 00:42:29.320 --> 00:42:32.800 of being abducted by gray aliens, and they both have 728 00:42:33.360 --> 00:42:38.880 similar but slightly different understandings of what that abduction happened. 729 00:42:39.119 --> 00:42:42.400 And as they're going through it, they're able to peer 730 00:42:42.559 --> 00:42:47.400 through moldernscoolre able to peer through the actual layers of 731 00:42:47.480 --> 00:42:50.559 the abduction theory to see that it wasn't a gray alien, 732 00:42:50.679 --> 00:42:53.920 but it was the military industrial complex psychotherapist who was 733 00:42:54.119 --> 00:42:57.719 putting them in an hypnotic trance to make them believe 734 00:42:58.199 --> 00:43:01.519 that it was an alien abduct But by the end 735 00:43:01.559 --> 00:43:04.360 of it, you actually get to see this alien that 736 00:43:04.599 --> 00:43:07.480 was there, that was there on the outside, and it's 737 00:43:07.480 --> 00:43:09.320 so crazy. And you also get the men in black 738 00:43:09.400 --> 00:43:11.679 coming in just even true, I think is one of 739 00:43:11.719 --> 00:43:17.239 them if I wasn't mistaken or WI. Yeah, exactly. And 740 00:43:17.360 --> 00:43:20.599 so that's a perfect micro macrocosm to exactly what you 741 00:43:20.639 --> 00:43:24.519 were saying of question, the questioning of the question, to 742 00:43:24.599 --> 00:43:26.400 try to get back to what the main theory was 743 00:43:26.400 --> 00:43:28.440 that it was there were aliens evolved, but not really, 744 00:43:28.440 --> 00:43:30.639 it was the military industrial complex and not really. The 745 00:43:30.760 --> 00:43:34.039 mind is so malleable, and I think that's one of 746 00:43:34.079 --> 00:43:37.280 the base theories of the X Files is the malleability 747 00:43:37.519 --> 00:43:40.159 of the mind through paradigm shifts of conscious and people 748 00:43:40.199 --> 00:43:41.599 trying to work on it. 749 00:43:41.800 --> 00:43:44.239 So that's nice. Well, I wonder sometimes if that's what 750 00:43:45.000 --> 00:43:47.480 I don't like this term, but if that was like 751 00:43:47.519 --> 00:43:50.559 a revelation of the method X Files episode you know, 752 00:43:50.719 --> 00:43:54.480 so killing this is what it's really about. It's about 753 00:43:54.719 --> 00:44:00.159 the military abducting people and hypnotizing them into believing they 754 00:44:00.199 --> 00:44:03.199 were taken by aliens and so on. Yeah, you know 755 00:44:03.199 --> 00:44:06.440 what that episode is explicitly about. And there are hints 756 00:44:06.480 --> 00:44:08.639 of that, like I said, throughout the series, and like 757 00:44:09.440 --> 00:44:12.679 the first two episodes, I think you could plug that 758 00:44:12.800 --> 00:44:18.880 same interpretation into So yeah, that's that's a good one, 759 00:44:18.960 --> 00:44:21.079 and I recommend that everybody watched that. 760 00:44:21.480 --> 00:44:23.679 Uh, and you also get the. 761 00:44:24.559 --> 00:44:26.519 Talking up my hat about my fan theory. I think 762 00:44:26.559 --> 00:44:28.519 if you watch that, you'll see it pretty much play 763 00:44:28.519 --> 00:44:29.280 out there, no. 764 00:44:29.280 --> 00:44:32.760 Plays out directly. You even get the paranoia of Molder 765 00:44:33.360 --> 00:44:38.239 going into a coffee shop and eating pie and talking 766 00:44:38.280 --> 00:44:42.480 to this like diner individual and that whole thing you 767 00:44:42.519 --> 00:44:45.039 don't even know is real or not, because then you 768 00:44:45.079 --> 00:44:47.519 have other people going in there and trying to test 769 00:44:47.519 --> 00:44:50.199 the theory of molder did you actually go there? And 770 00:44:50.239 --> 00:44:52.760 they're continually going back to the writer and telling them 771 00:44:52.840 --> 00:44:55.400 the story, and it's one of the best episodes. I 772 00:44:55.440 --> 00:44:57.480 do everyone go out there? Season three, episode. 773 00:44:57.119 --> 00:45:02.920 Twenty Yeah, good man, that's I'm glad. That's awesome. 774 00:45:06.480 --> 00:45:09.559 It's interesting from the astrology of actually, like when the 775 00:45:09.559 --> 00:45:12.480 season came out, it was during that like Neptune Uranus 776 00:45:12.559 --> 00:45:17.199 conjunction as well as like the Saturn square Pluto happening, 777 00:45:17.320 --> 00:45:19.440 so like Saturn's and Aquarius, and so when we think 778 00:45:19.480 --> 00:45:22.159 like last time, you know, Saturn was an Aquarius, recently 779 00:45:22.280 --> 00:45:24.760 was like covid times, right, So it's interesting, Like the 780 00:45:24.880 --> 00:45:28.039 interesting thing about Saturn and Aquarius is it's like people 781 00:45:28.199 --> 00:45:30.840 want to belong to something, right, they want to be 782 00:45:30.880 --> 00:45:33.519 a part of something. And then just going back to 783 00:45:33.599 --> 00:45:36.280 like what you said about the show being able to 784 00:45:36.360 --> 00:45:39.719 just blast people to like the expansion like that is 785 00:45:39.760 --> 00:45:42.360 like that Neptune Uranus thing. It's like, you know, and 786 00:45:42.400 --> 00:45:46.320 it's in Capricorn, so Urinus was blasting open Saturn's world 787 00:45:46.360 --> 00:45:50.000 of materiality, and then you have Neptune giving us this 788 00:45:50.119 --> 00:45:54.599 like foggy, very like grounded glimpse of the others. 789 00:45:54.679 --> 00:45:56.519 So it's interesting, Like the way you described it is 790 00:45:56.599 --> 00:45:57.159 very much like I. 791 00:45:57.159 --> 00:45:59.559 Looked up the chart for when if you said the 792 00:45:59.559 --> 00:46:02.800 show star it well all the time exactly. 793 00:46:02.880 --> 00:46:05.360 But yeah, well I'm glad you brought that up too, 794 00:46:05.440 --> 00:46:07.880 because there's that whole idea. I mean, correct me if 795 00:46:07.920 --> 00:46:12.400 I'm wrong, but Neptune sort of having a deceptive and 796 00:46:14.000 --> 00:46:18.079 aspect to it as well. So I think that's that's. Uh. 797 00:46:18.239 --> 00:46:21.360 There is an episode they did do an episode on astrology. 798 00:46:21.639 --> 00:46:26.159 That's an episode called ZG, and it was about you know, 799 00:46:26.199 --> 00:46:28.440 one of these where all the planets the line up 800 00:46:29.360 --> 00:46:33.480 and just one particular town in New Hampshire. You know, 801 00:46:33.519 --> 00:46:37.199 people just all started going crazy because of this this conjunction. 802 00:46:37.400 --> 00:46:39.440 I mean, I don't know if that's grounded in real 803 00:46:39.480 --> 00:46:45.199 astrology personally, but I recommend you check out that episode 804 00:46:45.239 --> 00:46:48.039 and maybe get back to me and tell me any 805 00:46:48.280 --> 00:46:52.119 sort of my real life. It's called ZG, you know, 806 00:46:52.360 --> 00:46:56.239 like the whole idea. 807 00:46:56.400 --> 00:46:59.320 I just found it. It's episode thirteen, season three. We'll 808 00:46:59.360 --> 00:46:59.760 watch it. 809 00:47:00.320 --> 00:47:06.760 Yeah, definitely definitely recommend that. But you know, and another 810 00:47:06.760 --> 00:47:08.840 inesing thing too is that you know, so I talk 811 00:47:08.920 --> 00:47:14.320 about synchronicity and there's an episode in the ninth season 812 00:47:14.719 --> 00:47:17.760 where Burt Reylds plays God. Right, but it is all 813 00:47:17.800 --> 00:47:22.760 about pattern recognition and synchronicity. And if you listen to 814 00:47:22.960 --> 00:47:28.079 the the director's commentary, Chris Carter gives this whole commentary, 815 00:47:28.840 --> 00:47:31.199 but it almost sounds like he's like a neoplatonist in 816 00:47:31.280 --> 00:47:33.360 some ways, you know. I mean, it's like his whole 817 00:47:34.679 --> 00:47:37.400 and it's almost like very medieval thinking as well too, 818 00:47:37.400 --> 00:47:40.719 because it's all about, you know, recognizing patterns and that 819 00:47:40.760 --> 00:47:44.559 God is constantly presenting us with these sort of puzzles 820 00:47:44.559 --> 00:47:47.800 that we need to solve and everything like that, which 821 00:47:47.840 --> 00:47:51.159 is kind of the basis of you know, what I've 822 00:47:51.159 --> 00:47:55.679 been doing for for a number of years, that we're 823 00:47:55.719 --> 00:47:59.079 presented with with all these puzzles that if we start 824 00:47:59.119 --> 00:48:02.199 to recognize the pawn and that's explicitly in the dialogue too. 825 00:48:02.239 --> 00:48:05.800 You know, it's like the winners recognize the patterns, they 826 00:48:05.800 --> 00:48:08.280 can sense the patterns, and they can work with the patterns, 827 00:48:08.639 --> 00:48:12.199 you know, which to me is it's almost a synchronistic 828 00:48:12.280 --> 00:48:16.679 manifesto in some ways. So anyway, there you go. 829 00:48:17.159 --> 00:48:20.320 Well, in a lot of ways, the the the introduction 830 00:48:20.480 --> 00:48:24.559 of this strategic ambiguity that the X Files was constantly 831 00:48:24.639 --> 00:48:28.480 harping on has been utilized to a great extent by 832 00:48:28.960 --> 00:48:31.199 you know, actual policy. 833 00:48:30.719 --> 00:48:31.960 Makers within the government. 834 00:48:32.000 --> 00:48:37.960 If you if you know about cast Sunstein and his uh. 835 00:48:37.159 --> 00:48:39.400 I was just reading about him yesterday. It's so weird. 836 00:48:39.480 --> 00:48:41.039 Go ahead, I'm sorry. 837 00:48:41.239 --> 00:48:46.400 Hey, synchromistic, right, but that idea of like injecting these 838 00:48:46.440 --> 00:48:51.119 new ideas into maybe problematic pattern noticers is sort of 839 00:48:51.159 --> 00:48:52.920 the entire presentation. 840 00:48:53.199 --> 00:48:55.679 And what a lot of people miss from that is 841 00:48:55.679 --> 00:49:01.119 his co author is a you know, one of these jesuits, right, 842 00:49:01.239 --> 00:49:05.039 He's he's a jesuit talking with Cass Sunstein about how 843 00:49:05.159 --> 00:49:09.880 how we can cognitively infiltrate the conspiracy movement. And in 844 00:49:09.920 --> 00:49:11.679 a lot of ways, you can you can kind of 845 00:49:11.960 --> 00:49:14.639 play off of a lot of the themes in X 846 00:49:14.679 --> 00:49:17.440 files and say, well, what can we gain from this 847 00:49:17.559 --> 00:49:20.800 show that we can inject into the conspiracy community to 848 00:49:20.880 --> 00:49:24.280 maybe divert them off in different directions. And it's it's 849 00:49:24.280 --> 00:49:26.800 almost like it's a culmination of all of these different 850 00:49:26.920 --> 00:49:31.599 hyperstitions and now they become the hyperstition magicians, putting out 851 00:49:31.599 --> 00:49:34.760 strategic ambiguity and all sort of walks of life, you know, 852 00:49:34.800 --> 00:49:35.880 flooding the zone. 853 00:49:36.280 --> 00:49:39.400 Well, I think, I think Sunstein, I'm familiar with that 854 00:49:39.440 --> 00:49:42.000 whole idea. And there was there was a Pentagon paper 855 00:49:42.000 --> 00:49:45.519 that was released, the one with that had like an 856 00:49:45.519 --> 00:49:49.280 inteller on the cover of it or something that's very 857 00:49:49.280 --> 00:49:51.320 boomer thinking. You know, I don't I don't like to 858 00:49:51.320 --> 00:49:55.079 sort of lapse into these sort of generational stereotypes, but 859 00:49:55.119 --> 00:49:57.079 that it's very much like boomer thinking. 860 00:49:56.840 --> 00:49:59.000 That it's the boomers, you know what I mean. 861 00:49:59.719 --> 00:50:02.800 Yes, so you have this mainstream, right, and then you 862 00:50:02.880 --> 00:50:07.440 have this other mainstream that you can infiltrate and manipulate 863 00:50:07.519 --> 00:50:11.719 the way they've infiltrated manipulated the mainstream. Well, it's not 864 00:50:11.760 --> 00:50:15.000 like that anymore. There is no mainstream. There were thousands 865 00:50:15.079 --> 00:50:17.599 and thousands of streams. I mean, it looks like, let's 866 00:50:17.639 --> 00:50:22.679 call them capillaries right there. There is no main vein 867 00:50:23.280 --> 00:50:29.280 of conspiracy thinking anymore. It's this roiling and mutually hostile 868 00:50:29.679 --> 00:50:35.400 network of capillaries. Okay, and that's increasing. I mean, all 869 00:50:35.440 --> 00:50:37.400 you have to do is just go on a Twitter. 870 00:50:38.400 --> 00:50:41.199 And I think that that kind of like cast sunsteam 871 00:50:41.320 --> 00:50:47.039 thinking is very archaic, and I don't think that it's 872 00:50:47.079 --> 00:50:51.360 really subscribed to anymore. You know, There's certainly been attempts 873 00:50:51.519 --> 00:50:55.599 to sort of manipulate the alternative, you know, the other 874 00:50:55.679 --> 00:51:01.000 mainstream quote unquote, but it always fails because you've got 875 00:51:01.440 --> 00:51:09.039 groups of young people who have these micro mini micro cultures, 876 00:51:09.079 --> 00:51:14.760 whose language and whose mode of thought and whose methods 877 00:51:14.800 --> 00:51:20.440 of communication are so are cain and so hyper specialized 878 00:51:21.960 --> 00:51:25.960 that you can't infiltrate that. You know, it becomes like 879 00:51:26.039 --> 00:51:28.960 that meme that the Steve Semi meme, Hello fellow kids, right, 880 00:51:29.079 --> 00:51:33.679 you know you can't you can't infiltrate some discord group 881 00:51:34.039 --> 00:51:38.599 with these extremely online kids who've been talking to each 882 00:51:38.599 --> 00:51:44.480 other exclusively for for years, have their own vocabulary, their 883 00:51:44.519 --> 00:51:50.960 own modes of unconscious signaling. Even you can't infiltrate that. 884 00:51:51.079 --> 00:51:54.519 You can't subvert that anymore. And I think I think 885 00:51:54.559 --> 00:51:59.119 that's really played into the you know, what I see is, 886 00:51:59.199 --> 00:52:01.159 you know, we are in the middle of the Fourth Turning, 887 00:52:01.719 --> 00:52:04.360 and I think the X Files in some ways, you know, 888 00:52:04.400 --> 00:52:09.000 I mean, it was thirty years ago, right, but I 889 00:52:09.039 --> 00:52:13.239 think that it did sort of presage Fourth Turning in 890 00:52:13.559 --> 00:52:18.639 a lot of ways. And the people who I don't 891 00:52:18.679 --> 00:52:20.719 want to say they're in power, you know, that's sort 892 00:52:20.719 --> 00:52:25.360 of a subjective term. But the people who grew up 893 00:52:25.360 --> 00:52:27.119 on the X files are the people who are moving 894 00:52:27.159 --> 00:52:32.960 into positions of influence in whatever field or or not. 895 00:52:33.039 --> 00:52:34.920 If they didn't grow up with the X files, they 896 00:52:34.920 --> 00:52:38.199 grew up in that same environment, right, And you know, 897 00:52:38.320 --> 00:52:42.199 talking about people like Mark Dice and Alex Jones and 898 00:52:42.239 --> 00:52:44.440 so on. I mean, if you go back, I don't 899 00:52:44.440 --> 00:52:45.960 even know if you can even find the stuff because 900 00:52:45.960 --> 00:52:48.920 everything is disappearing from the Internet these days. But you 901 00:52:48.960 --> 00:52:52.480 know a lot of quote unquote conspiracy sites, you know, 902 00:52:52.519 --> 00:52:55.800 would use something like files, and you know they're always 903 00:52:55.840 --> 00:52:59.719 trying to sort of glom there, get some of that glamour, right, 904 00:53:00.000 --> 00:53:03.000 some of that X files glamour for themselves. So they 905 00:53:03.280 --> 00:53:06.679 use like similar typography of fonts and so on, or 906 00:53:07.159 --> 00:53:10.159 you know, use the files in their name and everything 907 00:53:10.239 --> 00:53:16.480 like that. But that again, that's that's archaic, that's already 908 00:53:16.559 --> 00:53:18.159 cycled out of the culture completely. 909 00:53:18.199 --> 00:53:25.119 I think you did mention some stuff about it. I 910 00:53:25.119 --> 00:53:29.199 think you mentioned it earlier too. When it comes like symbolism, 911 00:53:29.320 --> 00:53:33.239 you think that they use that a lot. Actually, hmmm, 912 00:53:33.440 --> 00:53:35.960 do you want to give like some I guess maybe 913 00:53:35.960 --> 00:53:39.159 some examples that you started maybe seeing it. They gave 914 00:53:39.159 --> 00:53:40.079 you that idea. 915 00:53:41.239 --> 00:53:44.400 Well, the symbolism that I was really been really focused on, 916 00:53:44.880 --> 00:53:49.760 and ironically it's sort of led to this whole realization 917 00:53:49.960 --> 00:53:53.480 about like the fact that that's why I called the 918 00:53:53.480 --> 00:53:56.559 book x f Ultro right, a little bit of a 919 00:53:56.599 --> 00:54:01.679 play on words there, because I could be wrong, maybe, 920 00:54:01.719 --> 00:54:06.719 you know, but I said, burying myself in this material 921 00:54:06.800 --> 00:54:10.159 for over thirty years. Now I think that I've made 922 00:54:10.159 --> 00:54:13.519 my case. But the symbolism that I was always really 923 00:54:13.519 --> 00:54:19.320 interested in was from the mystery cults, Greco Roman mystery cults. 924 00:54:20.280 --> 00:54:23.920 Now the whole thing with like the abducted sister and 925 00:54:24.039 --> 00:54:28.039 that's it's Orpheus and Eridity, and then when Scully is 926 00:54:28.079 --> 00:54:31.639 abducted they play that up and that the future film 927 00:54:31.679 --> 00:54:35.480 Fight the Future it's even more explicit. Like Carter was 928 00:54:35.519 --> 00:54:40.360 really focused on this symbolism from the mystery cults, and 929 00:54:40.400 --> 00:54:42.639 there would be episodes that Wou'd be playing like on 930 00:54:42.719 --> 00:54:47.480 Demeter and Persephony, so on one episode which is very 931 00:54:47.480 --> 00:54:52.159 hard to watch called Ubiliat, which is it? And like 932 00:54:52.199 --> 00:54:54.159 it even ends on a river, you know what I mean, 933 00:54:54.159 --> 00:54:56.840 like the river sticks. And so I've been writing about 934 00:54:56.840 --> 00:55:00.880 this for years, right, and then getting back to twenty sixteen. Right, 935 00:55:02.159 --> 00:55:07.039 there's an episode called Babylon, and it's literally like Mulder 936 00:55:07.039 --> 00:55:10.599 takes mushrooms, even though they have to hedge it for 937 00:55:10.679 --> 00:55:13.199 the for the censors, right, but he takes mushrooms and 938 00:55:13.239 --> 00:55:17.239 he descends into the underworld and he's on the River Styx, right, 939 00:55:17.639 --> 00:55:20.199 and you know, with the dams and everything like that. 940 00:55:21.840 --> 00:55:24.400 And I just remember watching it and thinking, God, Chris 941 00:55:24.440 --> 00:55:28.159 Carter wrote this from me, I really did. I really 942 00:55:28.159 --> 00:55:32.239 thought that, because like I've been talking about all this symbolism, 943 00:55:32.320 --> 00:55:37.199 you know, particularly from Greco Roman mystery cults. But it 944 00:55:37.239 --> 00:55:41.840 really began for me before I sort of realized that 945 00:55:41.840 --> 00:55:46.000 Greco mystery cults. There was a guy named David Flynn. 946 00:55:46.000 --> 00:55:47.880 I don't know if anybody's ever heard of him. He 947 00:55:48.039 --> 00:55:52.639 was a Christian conspiracy researcher from the nineties, passed away, 948 00:55:52.719 --> 00:55:56.800 I believe twenty twelve, which is kind of ironic because 949 00:55:56.840 --> 00:56:00.320 he'd written a lot about twenty twelve. But he had 950 00:56:00.360 --> 00:56:07.880 started this website in nineteen ninety nine now it's two thousand, 951 00:56:07.920 --> 00:56:10.480 called Having Moulder's Baby, and this whole thing was like 952 00:56:11.800 --> 00:56:14.440 this whole storyline, you know, Moulder's abducted and so on, 953 00:56:14.480 --> 00:56:16.840 and it's like Osiris and Isis and Horace and all 954 00:56:16.880 --> 00:56:22.480 that kind of thing. And he you can even I 955 00:56:22.519 --> 00:56:25.000 don't know if the website is still online, but you 956 00:56:25.039 --> 00:56:28.519 could probably find it on like internet wayback machine. But 957 00:56:30.199 --> 00:56:33.360 I was waiting for years for him to follow up 958 00:56:33.360 --> 00:56:35.559 on him, like okay, well you know, tell us more, 959 00:56:36.079 --> 00:56:38.880 let's hear it. And he never followed up on it. 960 00:56:38.920 --> 00:56:39.960 So I was like, all right, I'm going to do 961 00:56:39.960 --> 00:56:42.880 it myself. So I went back and watched this whole 962 00:56:42.920 --> 00:56:47.079 thing where like they're playing off the whole thing with 963 00:56:48.840 --> 00:56:54.320 that and Osiris and the birth the birth of Horace 964 00:56:54.400 --> 00:56:56.800 and so on, and the wilderness and everything like that, 965 00:56:57.840 --> 00:57:03.400 and they followed that arc like rather closely. I mean 966 00:57:03.440 --> 00:57:08.000 there's no there's no exact symbolism, like you don't see 967 00:57:08.000 --> 00:57:11.159 pyramids and all that kind of stuff or whatever, you know, 968 00:57:11.840 --> 00:57:14.480 eyes of raw something, you know, there's none of that. 969 00:57:15.320 --> 00:57:21.000 But they're following the mythological arc very closely. Now, this 970 00:57:21.119 --> 00:57:23.800 has been done for thousands of years. I mean this 971 00:57:23.920 --> 00:57:27.719 is as old as time, right, just rewriting myths for 972 00:57:28.440 --> 00:57:31.400 your new myths or whatever, for your religion or for 973 00:57:31.440 --> 00:57:34.599 your stories. I mean, this is as old as time. 974 00:57:35.079 --> 00:57:39.320 But I was really because I have like really serious OCD. 975 00:57:39.639 --> 00:57:42.639 I was just so hyper focused on the detail of it, 976 00:57:43.400 --> 00:57:47.039 and that again led me into this whole other you know, 977 00:57:47.079 --> 00:57:51.320 the Greco Roman mythology and so on and so forth. 978 00:57:52.320 --> 00:57:55.039 But they are there's also what they call easter eggs, 979 00:57:55.079 --> 00:57:57.719 so they would put they would insert a lot of 980 00:57:57.960 --> 00:58:04.199 symbols explicitly, and that even on the official website back 981 00:58:04.360 --> 00:58:08.159 when it was running, would let you know what they 982 00:58:08.239 --> 00:58:10.599 were and so on. But I think a lot of 983 00:58:10.599 --> 00:58:14.119 that was sort of misdirection. But it's it's all to 984 00:58:14.239 --> 00:58:21.239 sort of hyperactivate a part of our imaginations, I guess 985 00:58:21.280 --> 00:58:26.840 you would say, And that to me fed into this 986 00:58:27.239 --> 00:58:33.280 liminal power, you know, of this hyperstitious power. Even though 987 00:58:33.440 --> 00:58:39.119 it's not like you'll see where say, say like the 988 00:58:39.159 --> 00:58:43.480 Matrix films, where the symbolism is like bashing over the 989 00:58:43.519 --> 00:58:45.920 head with a hammer and saying, look at us, aren't 990 00:58:45.920 --> 00:58:49.360 we clever? Look at our symbols? WHOA right? And it's 991 00:58:49.400 --> 00:58:52.599 just it's just so corny and cheesy, and it doesn't 992 00:58:52.599 --> 00:58:57.480 really land. I think when you have to go searching 993 00:58:57.519 --> 00:59:03.400 for it, or when you're sort of soaking it in unconsciously, 994 00:59:03.599 --> 00:59:07.960 that's when I think it really starts to bed itself 995 00:59:08.239 --> 00:59:09.639 into your unconscious mind. 996 00:59:10.960 --> 00:59:13.519 Yeah, no, I like that. I like that a lot 997 00:59:13.559 --> 00:59:17.119 because I like the idea well as whatever. However old 998 00:59:17.159 --> 00:59:19.039 I was when that came out in nineteen ninety nine, 999 00:59:19.039 --> 00:59:21.079 I care I remember, but I remember watching it for 1000 00:59:21.119 --> 00:59:24.079 the first time with my mom and the Matrix, and 1001 00:59:24.119 --> 00:59:26.840 it was one of those things for my teenage mind 1002 00:59:27.480 --> 00:59:30.840 being bashed over the head, especially going back to the 1003 00:59:30.880 --> 00:59:34.360 idea that you need to put yourself into imprint vulnerability 1004 00:59:34.400 --> 00:59:36.840 for things to be able to take control and change that. 1005 00:59:36.920 --> 00:59:39.320 I kind of needed that because you question things, and 1006 00:59:39.360 --> 00:59:41.159 you have all the fantasy and the sci fi as 1007 00:59:41.159 --> 00:59:43.719 a kid you're reading, and it doesn't really lead you 1008 00:59:43.800 --> 00:59:46.599 into this thing about like what is the matrix? You know, 1009 00:59:46.679 --> 00:59:49.679 it's like it's you know, it's like something of the 1010 00:59:49.719 --> 00:59:51.639 mind and it's all around as blah blah blah. You 1011 00:59:51.719 --> 00:59:53.960 kind of need that, but it's not like it landed. 1012 00:59:54.000 --> 00:59:55.760 And that's something I'm continually trying to tell people is 1013 00:59:55.800 --> 00:59:57.599 that you don't just take the red pill once and 1014 00:59:57.599 --> 01:00:02.159 you're done. You need to continue embed these sign symbols, 1015 01:00:02.199 --> 01:00:05.639 myths into yourself and then when you get into what 1016 01:00:05.679 --> 01:00:10.559 you're just talking about, the deep mythologies of Osiris set 1017 01:00:10.639 --> 01:00:13.719 battling Horace. Finally the battle the isis going out and 1018 01:00:13.800 --> 01:00:17.199 doing the thing, and this going back through and you get, 1019 01:00:17.199 --> 01:00:20.159 you know, from the Mythrick to Plato to the Orphik 1020 01:00:20.320 --> 01:00:23.320 to now you're in the uma Elish and beyond. Like 1021 01:00:23.559 --> 01:00:27.360 that's how you really get the fine pin details, and 1022 01:00:27.400 --> 01:00:31.199 your consciousness truly changes and now you formulate a worldview, 1023 01:00:31.639 --> 01:00:34.360 and then from that worldview you can I think personally, 1024 01:00:34.360 --> 01:00:38.400 this is the theory Brandonly. Theory is that then now 1025 01:00:38.559 --> 01:00:42.119 you can see magic in all things, because you're not 1026 01:00:42.320 --> 01:00:46.280 just some automaton NPC agent Smith. At any time an 1027 01:00:46.280 --> 01:00:49.679 ideology can imprint you. And then now you're just spewing 1028 01:00:49.760 --> 01:00:53.519 nonsense of left or right. But now you're actually able 1029 01:00:53.559 --> 01:00:56.360 to see the narratives because you can pick apart the 1030 01:00:56.440 --> 01:00:59.199 deep underpinning of the myth, the magic and the meaning 1031 01:00:59.199 --> 01:01:00.840 of things. And so I've just love what you're saying 1032 01:01:00.840 --> 01:01:03.000 because I think as much as I'm all like, you're right, 1033 01:01:03.079 --> 01:01:05.159 it was bashing over the head. And now look where 1034 01:01:05.159 --> 01:01:06.960 they're at and they're trying to change the red pill 1035 01:01:06.960 --> 01:01:10.079 into some training porn. But the idea is that you know, 1036 01:01:10.199 --> 01:01:13.639 it's like it's like taking this terrible, like this beautiful thing. 1037 01:01:14.119 --> 01:01:15.760 Even I like all three. I think I've heard you 1038 01:01:15.840 --> 01:01:17.400 say you don't really like another two. I don't know, 1039 01:01:17.400 --> 01:01:24.079 you can well listen. I was a huge William Gibson fan, yeah, okay. 1040 01:01:24.079 --> 01:01:29.119 Back in the nineties and what they call the what 1041 01:01:29.199 --> 01:01:37.679 is it, the Sprawl trilogy, Neuromancer, Conciero and amazing, amazing, 1042 01:01:37.679 --> 01:01:42.639 but also the Burning Chrome collection. So it's the the 1043 01:01:42.760 --> 01:01:49.000 absolute plagiarism of The Matrix is really when I watched it, 1044 01:01:49.079 --> 01:01:52.280 I was just okay, I recognize that from this and 1045 01:01:52.360 --> 01:01:54.320 recognized from that, and they even have you know, Kenna 1046 01:01:54.360 --> 01:01:56.840 Reeves who was in Johnny Knaemonic, which is a terrible 1047 01:01:56.880 --> 01:02:01.159 movie but still pretty obvious, you know, hit you on 1048 01:02:01.199 --> 01:02:04.119 the head with that. But I was also I'm still 1049 01:02:04.119 --> 01:02:06.519 a very big fan of Dark City, which came on 1050 01:02:06.639 --> 01:02:11.760 a year before and Matrix sort of I don't know 1051 01:02:11.800 --> 01:02:15.679 how it happened. It might have just been coincidental, but 1052 01:02:15.719 --> 01:02:20.199 the Matrix ends up recycling a lot of the ideas 1053 01:02:20.239 --> 01:02:24.199 from Dark City, which I think is a vastly superior film. 1054 01:02:25.360 --> 01:02:27.000 But I picked up on all the you know, the 1055 01:02:27.079 --> 01:02:31.960 queer theory stuff in the in the first Matrix because really, yeah, 1056 01:02:32.000 --> 01:02:35.920 I thought it was pretty obvious. I know, I did. 1057 01:02:35.960 --> 01:02:40.079 I thought it was pretty blatant even then. And you 1058 01:02:40.079 --> 01:02:41.199 know when that I didn't. 1059 01:02:40.920 --> 01:02:42.599 Even know what to put that mint when I was 1060 01:02:42.639 --> 01:02:44.719 that age. So there's that in the middle. 1061 01:02:44.440 --> 01:02:47.639 Of nowhere, you know. And I was working in New 1062 01:02:47.760 --> 01:02:50.360 York and so on for a number of years and 1063 01:02:51.760 --> 01:02:55.000 reading the Village Voice and New York presence, so you know, 1064 01:02:55.079 --> 01:03:00.440 it's like I was sort of with that whole mind set. 1065 01:03:01.239 --> 01:03:03.920 So I thought it was you know, and and what's 1066 01:03:03.920 --> 01:03:07.079 her name, Carrie Lee? What's that actress's name, the one 1067 01:03:07.079 --> 01:03:16.679 who played Trinity, Oh, you know, who's also in the 1068 01:03:16.679 --> 01:03:22.199 the only, the only Christopher Nolan film that I really like, Amento. Yeah, 1069 01:03:22.800 --> 01:03:25.559 Which it's funny if you watch Memento, it's kind of 1070 01:03:25.639 --> 01:03:28.199 like the Matrix in reverse, because the Matrix is all 1071 01:03:28.239 --> 01:03:32.039 about like im like remembering, you know, It's it's about 1072 01:03:32.519 --> 01:03:36.599 waking up and remembering, and Memento is about like forgetting 1073 01:03:36.880 --> 01:03:41.880 and falling asleep. Think about that. Watch those two films together. 1074 01:03:42.119 --> 01:03:45.920 You'll see, in some very strange way, they're they're like 1075 01:03:46.079 --> 01:03:48.800 mirror images of each other. I don't know if that's intentional. 1076 01:03:48.880 --> 01:03:51.480 But but she has you know, she has sort of 1077 01:03:51.519 --> 01:03:56.320 like a very butch kind of presentation and and but 1078 01:03:56.360 --> 01:03:59.119 that but that all comes from Sally Shears in the 1079 01:03:59.199 --> 01:04:05.800 William Gibson Okay, so and look, William Gibson's just completely 1080 01:04:05.920 --> 01:04:08.960 I mean he's completely lost his mind. Over the past 1081 01:04:09.119 --> 01:04:12.840 ten years twenty years or so, he hasn't written anything. 1082 01:04:12.840 --> 01:04:15.320 He hasn't written anything since. I think the last thing 1083 01:04:15.559 --> 01:04:17.840 I enjoyed by him was All Tomorrow's Parties. I read 1084 01:04:17.880 --> 01:04:21.239 that other trilogy did with like Spook Country and the 1085 01:04:21.280 --> 01:04:24.280 rest of it, and I thought it was just insanely 1086 01:04:24.320 --> 01:04:27.039 boring anyway, But that's that kind of ruined the matrix 1087 01:04:27.039 --> 01:04:29.599 for me because I was just I was too well 1088 01:04:29.920 --> 01:04:34.639 versed in all the material that they were just completely plagiarizing. 1089 01:04:34.880 --> 01:04:37.199 Yeah, and then and then Grant Morrison is the Invisibles, 1090 01:04:37.199 --> 01:04:38.280 Grand Morrison will always stayed. 1091 01:04:38.400 --> 01:04:41.039 Yeah, No, I never, I don't never saw that. I 1092 01:04:41.079 --> 01:04:43.360 don't see that. I think that's just Grant Morrison just 1093 01:04:43.400 --> 01:04:46.360 trying to inject himself into a popular brain. 1094 01:04:46.440 --> 01:04:49.280 And I love the Invisibles. So I am an Invisible 1095 01:04:49.440 --> 01:04:52.320 stand because it was part of my awakening with Promethea 1096 01:04:52.400 --> 01:04:54.599 Allen Moore Grant Morrison side by side, So that was it. 1097 01:04:54.719 --> 01:04:55.679 Yeah, yeah, but that. 1098 01:04:55.800 --> 01:04:59.639 Is interesting, sorry, Chris, But it is interesting about Grant 1099 01:04:59.639 --> 01:05:03.199 Morris and inserting himself into popular culture because that is 1100 01:05:03.239 --> 01:05:07.639 like the most definitive example of hyperstition itself, by like 1101 01:05:08.280 --> 01:05:11.119 narrating yourself to be involved in something that you weren't 1102 01:05:11.119 --> 01:05:15.480 even necessarily part of that you weren't necessarily even maybe 1103 01:05:15.719 --> 01:05:18.280 he wasn't even famous around for that. So it is 1104 01:05:18.360 --> 01:05:22.239 interesting to me that he's that. Because he said it, 1105 01:05:22.559 --> 01:05:26.039 people associate it with him, and then that is hypercition 1106 01:05:26.199 --> 01:05:28.000 creating your own great marketing. 1107 01:05:28.119 --> 01:05:29.480 That is great marketing. 1108 01:05:29.760 --> 01:05:31.400 Well, I'll tell you I have a bit of a 1109 01:05:31.920 --> 01:05:34.239 phone to pick with Grant Morrison because I had written 1110 01:05:34.360 --> 01:05:37.840 Our Gods Were Spandex back in two thousand, well, it 1111 01:05:37.920 --> 01:05:39.639 was published in two thousand and seven, I wrote in 1112 01:05:39.719 --> 01:05:41.800 two thousand and five. But and then he did that 1113 01:05:41.840 --> 01:05:46.119 book Super Gods, Yeah, where he was basically you know, 1114 01:05:46.280 --> 01:05:51.199 poaching on my land like that. So I was, but 1115 01:05:51.320 --> 01:05:54.920 I had written I had written there was this. So 1116 01:05:54.960 --> 01:05:57.639 I was an associate editor on this magazine called Comic 1117 01:05:57.880 --> 01:06:00.519 Artist back in the day, and I had written this 1118 01:06:01.840 --> 01:06:05.239 editorial called show me the magic, which had to do 1119 01:06:05.320 --> 01:06:07.840 with you know, Grant Morrison and Alan Moore, because at 1120 01:06:07.840 --> 01:06:10.800 that point in time, Omethea had just become what I 1121 01:06:10.840 --> 01:06:14.599 call theosophical summer camp, where it just become you know, 1122 01:06:14.639 --> 01:06:17.079 it's it wasn't a story anymore. It was just like, oh, 1123 01:06:17.159 --> 01:06:21.000 let's walk around through you know, the tarot and and 1124 01:06:21.039 --> 01:06:21.719 all the rest of it. 1125 01:06:21.920 --> 01:06:25.679 Yes, until the last volume, Chris, the last volume showed 1126 01:06:25.719 --> 01:06:28.679 the eminetizing of the ace caton throughout. 1127 01:06:29.440 --> 01:06:32.639 Is true, but by then, but then we lost me. 1128 01:06:32.800 --> 01:06:35.280 I just was like, I'm done, I'm done, and blame me. 1129 01:06:35.320 --> 01:06:38.239 I love Alan Moore. I think I think his master work, 1130 01:06:38.280 --> 01:06:39.719 his true master work is Providence. 1131 01:06:40.840 --> 01:06:43.719 Well, Providence was amazing for everyone who doesn't know, it's 1132 01:06:44.159 --> 01:06:47.280 HP Lovecraftthulian Nicromnicon. It's some. 1133 01:06:47.719 --> 01:06:50.000 Providence was very very highly recommended. 1134 01:06:50.360 --> 01:06:52.440 But it also will make you sick if you watch it. 1135 01:06:52.480 --> 01:06:54.440 I just want everybody to know. And if you don't 1136 01:06:54.440 --> 01:06:55.960 got a if you got a week something, you might 1137 01:06:56.000 --> 01:06:56.639 not want to read it. 1138 01:06:56.920 --> 01:07:06.239 Yeah, yeah that's true too. But but so the Invisibles, 1139 01:07:06.719 --> 01:07:09.239 what is that series even about? Though? You know, I 1140 01:07:09.280 --> 01:07:12.199 mean it's like the Love the Matrix. I hate it. 1141 01:07:12.199 --> 01:07:16.239 It has a central conceit. Right, Okay, we're in the matrix. 1142 01:07:16.239 --> 01:07:18.039 We've got to get out of the matrix, but then 1143 01:07:18.079 --> 01:07:21.280 we want to get back into the matrix outside the matrix. Thus, right, 1144 01:07:21.320 --> 01:07:24.880 that's kind of the moral of the story. I mean, right, 1145 01:07:25.199 --> 01:07:29.400 The Invisibles is basically about whatever book Brant Morrison was 1146 01:07:29.440 --> 01:07:32.320 reading at the time. But one thing I did want 1147 01:07:32.320 --> 01:07:34.360 to bring up, and just before I lose my train 1148 01:07:34.400 --> 01:07:39.360 of thought on this with the X Files, what really 1149 01:07:39.719 --> 01:07:43.440 I first started to notice was all the mushrooms and 1150 01:07:43.639 --> 01:07:49.239 LSD and hallucinogens and iboga and so on in the storylines. 1151 01:07:50.840 --> 01:07:52.719 And the thing that I began to notice is that 1152 01:07:54.039 --> 01:07:59.679 they would either put either explicit or very thinly veiled 1153 01:07:59.719 --> 01:08:03.280 simple about mushrooms, LSD and all the rest of it 1154 01:08:03.719 --> 01:08:06.400 in this what they call the mythology, right the stories 1155 01:08:06.440 --> 01:08:10.719 about the alien colonization, or they would have the episode 1156 01:08:10.760 --> 01:08:14.840 before or after the stories about alien colonization have an 1157 01:08:14.880 --> 01:08:21.640 explicit context with like I said, I boga, mushrooms and 1158 01:08:21.640 --> 01:08:24.239 so on and so forth. And then they even did 1159 01:08:24.840 --> 01:08:30.039 this one episode about iboga where they explicitly call out 1160 01:08:30.560 --> 01:08:35.960 MK ultra, right, But they also did another another one, 1161 01:08:36.039 --> 01:08:43.800 another episode with it's eybotenic acid. I believe that's the 1162 01:08:43.800 --> 01:08:48.359 the active ingredient in I boga, right, but I think yeah, 1163 01:08:48.399 --> 01:08:50.840 And in the episode it's it's mushrooms. So I'm not 1164 01:08:50.880 --> 01:08:55.720 exactly sure what the context is there, but I started 1165 01:08:55.720 --> 01:08:58.840 to just go back and realize that the whole all 1166 01:08:58.840 --> 01:09:05.079 the black oil is a hallucinogen mind control basically trope 1167 01:09:05.399 --> 01:09:07.680 if you look at it in the context of the 1168 01:09:07.680 --> 01:09:12.600 stories and all the rest of it, you know, I 1169 01:09:12.600 --> 01:09:17.840 mean the aliens themselves, the aliens themselves are mushrooms. Now 1170 01:09:17.880 --> 01:09:20.079 that sounds like, oh my god, what is he talking about? 1171 01:09:20.600 --> 01:09:20.960 McKenna. 1172 01:09:21.840 --> 01:09:27.760 Yeah, well, if you again read the book, I'll explain 1173 01:09:27.920 --> 01:09:33.520 to you exactly why I believe that that it is. Now. 1174 01:09:33.600 --> 01:09:36.239 Chris Carter was a surfer in the seventies. Need I 1175 01:09:36.279 --> 01:09:40.399 say more? I mean, what else do you need to say? 1176 01:09:40.439 --> 01:09:43.479 And he's even mentioned that, you know, there were certain 1177 01:09:44.319 --> 01:09:47.079 he called them, certain sacraments that needed to be observed, 1178 01:09:47.359 --> 01:09:53.359 and also in between I think it was the second 1179 01:09:53.359 --> 01:09:59.439 and third season, he had gone to Sedona to attend 1180 01:09:59.720 --> 01:10:04.439 a Peyoti ritual, which was then also written directly into 1181 01:10:04.479 --> 01:10:08.039 the storyline. And he's never been shy about you know, 1182 01:10:08.359 --> 01:10:11.800 that he based his stories on this experience he had 1183 01:10:11.840 --> 01:10:15.600 at this Navajo Peyoti ritual. So uh, there you go. 1184 01:10:15.760 --> 01:10:17.760 So but it all ties in, and you know, we 1185 01:10:17.800 --> 01:10:21.880 were talking about the mystery cults that's all based in hallucinogens. 1186 01:10:22.520 --> 01:10:25.239 You know, all the Isis and Osire's stuff is all 1187 01:10:26.319 --> 01:10:32.239 plucinogenic symbolism. We're seeing this in the news now that 1188 01:10:32.359 --> 01:10:39.479 the Elsinian mysteries of Demeter and Persephone, they the the kaikon, 1189 01:10:39.600 --> 01:10:44.279 as it's called, was was actually a derivative of l 1190 01:10:44.439 --> 01:10:49.319 s A, which is a precursor to LSD. Yeah, so, 1191 01:10:49.520 --> 01:10:50.119 I mean that's. 1192 01:10:51.479 --> 01:10:54.760 Right. What's that Road to eleusis? Watson's book is a 1193 01:10:54.800 --> 01:10:55.880 great example of how that. 1194 01:10:56.159 --> 01:10:58.760 Yeah, I don't know, I don't know. Carter never mentioned 1195 01:10:58.800 --> 01:11:02.359 that book, per se. I've never seen him cite that 1196 01:11:02.479 --> 01:11:06.359 book or cite Wasson's work. But then again, I mean 1197 01:11:06.399 --> 01:11:08.359 does he even have to because that stuff has been 1198 01:11:08.439 --> 01:11:10.800 so embedded into the culture. 1199 01:11:11.159 --> 01:11:11.359 Yep. 1200 01:11:12.000 --> 01:11:15.760 Now, something you really have to be careful with. You know. 1201 01:11:15.880 --> 01:11:22.279 I am very much against the recreational use or the 1202 01:11:22.399 --> 01:11:27.319 irresponsible use of hallucinogens and so on and so forth, 1203 01:11:27.960 --> 01:11:30.560 and I'm very concerned about what I call MKL to 1204 01:11:30.760 --> 01:11:32.680 three point zero, where like when you go to the 1205 01:11:32.680 --> 01:11:37.079 emergency room, instead of giving you painkillers, they give you ketemine. 1206 01:11:37.279 --> 01:11:39.920 Isn't that crazy? Isn't that crazy? There's ketamine centers all 1207 01:11:39.920 --> 01:11:40.479 over the place. 1208 01:11:40.520 --> 01:11:45.520 Now, Yeah, that's and now they and now there's like 1209 01:11:45.760 --> 01:11:48.239 a new long acting d MT. 1210 01:11:48.880 --> 01:11:52.399 Yeah. Brian Johnson and his whole nonsense that he's pushing 1211 01:11:52.479 --> 01:11:56.119 for immortality and the nonsense that he does. 1212 01:11:56.560 --> 01:11:59.800 Yeah, I mean, listen, a lot of people don't want 1213 01:11:59.800 --> 01:12:04.239 to hear, but it's like that's throughout history, that's how 1214 01:12:04.319 --> 01:12:08.239 you encounter angels and devils, angels and demons, right, is 1215 01:12:08.920 --> 01:12:17.439 that's the medium, these various pharmaceutical pharmacratic leucinogenic. So you 1216 01:12:17.560 --> 01:12:19.640 have to be really careful and if you I've studied 1217 01:12:19.680 --> 01:12:24.119 the mystery cults, right, and the mystery cults were most 1218 01:12:24.119 --> 01:12:26.479 of them. I mean, there were the Bakans and the 1219 01:12:26.720 --> 01:12:29.239 you know, the Dionysus cult, which were just completely insane 1220 01:12:29.279 --> 01:12:32.319 and completely off the wall. But like you know, samul 1221 01:12:32.319 --> 01:12:34.920 Thra Soleusis, I mean, they were very very strict. You 1222 01:12:34.920 --> 01:12:37.600 would have to fast and you have to study because 1223 01:12:37.640 --> 01:12:41.239 what it was really about was preparing you, you know, 1224 01:12:41.279 --> 01:12:44.159 to meet the gods and not have a bad experience. 1225 01:12:44.199 --> 01:12:46.039 Well you end up meeting you know, the gods or 1226 01:12:46.039 --> 01:12:50.840 the angels, not the demons, right, And that's really what 1227 01:12:50.880 --> 01:12:53.920 it was all about. It was about learning to you know, 1228 01:12:53.960 --> 01:12:57.920 to focus your mind to fast, to purify yourself so 1229 01:12:58.119 --> 01:13:02.079 you could enter into this realm. Now that's something you 1230 01:13:02.119 --> 01:13:05.760 have to be very careful about because we're seeing it 1231 01:13:05.800 --> 01:13:07.600 all the time, and we're seeing it like in this 1232 01:13:07.800 --> 01:13:12.680 supercharged THHC. That's that's everywhere. Now you know where you 1233 01:13:12.720 --> 01:13:17.039 get these? You go to the gas station and get these, 1234 01:13:17.199 --> 01:13:19.479 you know, Delta nine cubes of a lot of three 1235 01:13:19.520 --> 01:13:23.720 thousand milligrams per gummy. Oh yeah, you know what I mean. 1236 01:13:23.760 --> 01:13:26.279 I mean that people are tripping balls because it changes 1237 01:13:26.359 --> 01:13:28.720 into a psychedelic through your liver. But most people don't 1238 01:13:28.720 --> 01:13:30.920 know that that it becomes psychedelic compound. 1239 01:13:31.039 --> 01:13:35.560 Well, I mean, full disclosure, I do. I do take 1240 01:13:36.760 --> 01:13:40.680 very small amounts of Delta eights at night because I 1241 01:13:40.760 --> 01:13:46.079 have a sleep disorder. Guilty, I mean full disclosure, have 1242 01:13:46.159 --> 01:13:48.600 but I have, I mean I do have some Well 1243 01:13:48.600 --> 01:13:52.239 it's like Delta nine, Delta zero or Delta O whatever 1244 01:13:52.359 --> 01:13:55.319 THCO which actually I kind of liked even though if 1245 01:13:55.319 --> 01:13:57.119 you took a little too much of that, you'd be 1246 01:13:57.159 --> 01:13:59.760 in real trouble. But they took it off the market. 1247 01:14:00.600 --> 01:14:05.520 But anyhow, but you know that is that's that's the venue. Yeah. 1248 01:14:05.560 --> 01:14:10.279 And you know, people when I bring this up, there 1249 01:14:10.279 --> 01:14:12.359 are a lot of people who's like, religion is the 1250 01:14:12.399 --> 01:14:15.359 hallucinogen itself. And I'm like, no, you gotta be careful, 1251 01:14:15.560 --> 01:14:17.119 you know. I mean, people have been telling you for 1252 01:14:17.199 --> 01:14:20.079 thousands of years that this isn't a joke. This isn't 1253 01:14:20.079 --> 01:14:23.199 a game, you know, this isn't recreation. This is really serious. 1254 01:14:23.319 --> 01:14:27.119 This is where you read, you meet real entities, you know, 1255 01:14:27.199 --> 01:14:29.920 and real entities get enter into our world through you 1256 01:14:31.039 --> 01:14:32.880 and these chemicals. 1257 01:14:32.319 --> 01:14:33.680 And attach themselves to you. 1258 01:14:34.279 --> 01:14:37.199 Yes, yes, and that's you know, and I'm just seeing 1259 01:14:40.800 --> 01:14:42.680 seeing it more and more. I mean. One thing I 1260 01:14:42.680 --> 01:14:45.199 will tell you is that The X Files was originally 1261 01:14:45.199 --> 01:14:48.520 canceled after the ninth season, but there were the plans 1262 01:14:48.960 --> 01:14:51.720 to end the whole alien thing in the ninth season 1263 01:14:51.840 --> 01:14:56.560 and then in the tenth season the stories would focus 1264 01:14:56.600 --> 01:14:59.399 around evil as like a contagion. You know. It was 1265 01:14:59.439 --> 01:15:03.760 basically about possession, entity possession, and they did a few 1266 01:15:03.800 --> 01:15:07.880 episodes like that throughout the series. But I'm just seeing 1267 01:15:07.920 --> 01:15:11.920 it more and more, you know, I'm seeing people behaving. 1268 01:15:12.520 --> 01:15:15.720 Did you see that video that woman who was stabbing 1269 01:15:15.720 --> 01:15:18.359 that little kid in the parking lot and you just 1270 01:15:18.399 --> 01:15:20.640 saw the look on her face and just like that 1271 01:15:20.800 --> 01:15:27.720 is lot out possession. That woman was possessed. And you 1272 01:15:27.760 --> 01:15:31.279 just see this on an increasing basis. In gosh, do 1273 01:15:31.279 --> 01:15:33.119 you think and there's anything to do with like, you know, 1274 01:15:35.079 --> 01:15:39.159 all these drugs being mainstreamed and fed to people who 1275 01:15:39.159 --> 01:15:45.279 are ready on the edge, already on the borderline. So again, 1276 01:15:45.399 --> 01:15:47.880 I get a lot of criticism because people think I'm 1277 01:15:47.880 --> 01:15:50.880 just being puritanical. I'm not being cured. 1278 01:15:51.000 --> 01:15:53.239 No, I actually think you're totally nawing something. Man. I 1279 01:15:53.319 --> 01:15:55.560 actually think there's a lot of people that are out 1280 01:15:55.560 --> 01:15:59.159 there strategically pushing mushrooms in certain drugs for a reason 1281 01:15:59.159 --> 01:15:59.880 that's ne for a been. 1282 01:16:01.000 --> 01:16:05.439 Yeah, no, it's now, it's not. And that's not to 1283 01:16:05.479 --> 01:16:08.520 say that there isn't potential benefits. 1284 01:16:08.800 --> 01:16:11.720 There is, yes, I agree, room so on and so forth. 1285 01:16:11.760 --> 01:16:15.920 I mean, I'm not saying that, but nuance gets lost 1286 01:16:16.159 --> 01:16:17.720 very quickly. Unfortunately. 1287 01:16:17.720 --> 01:16:20.359 Spiritualism, why the partying is it could be a fine 1288 01:16:20.359 --> 01:16:21.399 line sometimes too. 1289 01:16:22.520 --> 01:16:26.000 Why through the yoga struct why and even magic, you 1290 01:16:26.119 --> 01:16:29.439 train to make sure your moral structures, your ethical structures, 1291 01:16:29.520 --> 01:16:35.560 your body posture, you're breathing. Because anxiety, paranoia are the 1292 01:16:35.560 --> 01:16:40.119 demons that that we're talking about, Yes, yes, sneaking over 1293 01:16:40.600 --> 01:16:41.359 and then most of. 1294 01:16:41.319 --> 01:16:46.000 The anxiety, anxiety and paranoia and guilt are the catalysts. 1295 01:16:46.199 --> 01:16:50.920 Yes for that for those negative influences, I think I agree. 1296 01:16:51.000 --> 01:16:51.239 Yeah. 1297 01:16:51.279 --> 01:16:54.279 And then also like from like a Buddhist perspective, you know, 1298 01:16:54.319 --> 01:16:56.079 when we look at even like the news, like we 1299 01:16:56.119 --> 01:16:59.079 think people are going crazy, it's because they're literally inviting 1300 01:16:59.119 --> 01:17:00.800 in these demons, because in order for a demon to 1301 01:17:00.880 --> 01:17:03.119 enter into your body, you have to believe in the energy. 1302 01:17:03.039 --> 01:17:04.720 Is that it is attracted to. 1303 01:17:04.880 --> 01:17:08.439 Right, So drugs maybe breaks people out of their emotional stability. 1304 01:17:08.479 --> 01:17:11.039 But that's why I think like religion and spirituality and 1305 01:17:11.039 --> 01:17:12.680 like mebeing in a Buddhist is such important thing to 1306 01:17:12.720 --> 01:17:15.800 me because it teaches you about emptiness of phenomena. Is 1307 01:17:15.800 --> 01:17:18.000 like we are all vessels, whether you want to believe 1308 01:17:18.039 --> 01:17:20.319 it or not. You are a vessel for something, and 1309 01:17:20.359 --> 01:17:22.640 it's better to be a vessel for like the highest power. 1310 01:17:22.720 --> 01:17:22.880 Right. 1311 01:17:22.920 --> 01:17:25.479 So I think there's a mixture of like the drugs, 1312 01:17:25.520 --> 01:17:27.920 but also like the news has been like hyped up, 1313 01:17:27.960 --> 01:17:30.479 and then we have social media, which is like doubling 1314 01:17:30.520 --> 01:17:33.520 down on that like crazy reality that people are buying into, 1315 01:17:33.640 --> 01:17:35.800 and then just like yeah, going out and doing crazy 1316 01:17:35.800 --> 01:17:40.119 shit because they've invited in this energy by not having stability. 1317 01:17:40.159 --> 01:17:41.840 So I think it is a mixture of like the 1318 01:17:41.920 --> 01:17:43.600 drugs and the everything. 1319 01:17:43.680 --> 01:17:47.199 But yeah, yeah, it's an assault. I think it's a 1320 01:17:47.239 --> 01:17:52.479 coordinating assault on a wide scale. Now, one thing that 1321 01:17:52.479 --> 01:17:53.880 I've talked about I don't know if I talked about 1322 01:17:53.960 --> 01:17:57.119 in the book, but when I was a kid, I 1323 01:17:57.159 --> 01:17:59.880 would get really really high fevers and I would hallucinate. 1324 01:18:00.920 --> 01:18:04.000 And I found out that high fever were tripped the 1325 01:18:04.119 --> 01:18:07.399 DMT circuit in your brain. So I had some pretty 1326 01:18:09.119 --> 01:18:14.520 pretty vivid and extreme haint hallucinations. And when I got 1327 01:18:14.600 --> 01:18:21.439 a little older and started experimenting quote unquote, I was like, yeah, 1328 01:18:21.439 --> 01:18:25.520 I know this territory very well. You know, I know 1329 01:18:25.920 --> 01:18:31.880 it was completely familiar to me. It was people don't 1330 01:18:31.880 --> 01:18:34.359 believe me when I say that, but you know, what 1331 01:18:34.399 --> 01:18:34.960 am I going to do? 1332 01:18:35.000 --> 01:18:35.359 I don't know. 1333 01:18:35.479 --> 01:18:37.640 I believe when I was younger, when I was a child, 1334 01:18:38.199 --> 01:18:40.039 I ended up getting this fucking weird shit. I never 1335 01:18:40.079 --> 01:18:41.920 heard of it before. It's like a crazy version of 1336 01:18:41.960 --> 01:18:45.239 chicken pox basically, Katsaki and I ended up with like 1337 01:18:45.239 --> 01:18:47.680 one hundred and three fever. I was fucking hallucinating. My 1338 01:18:47.720 --> 01:18:49.920 mom took me to the fucking doctors and she's like, 1339 01:18:50.000 --> 01:18:53.359 you know, fucking kids like asking me shit, that's like there, 1340 01:18:53.760 --> 01:18:55.640 you know, And there was because of the fevers. They 1341 01:18:55.680 --> 01:18:57.439 were saying, they're like, Joe, his fever is so high, 1342 01:18:57.680 --> 01:19:00.640 this can actually happen. And I do what I do 1343 01:19:00.720 --> 01:19:03.000 see a correlation of what you're saying. Once he took 1344 01:19:03.079 --> 01:19:05.880 other things, it was like, this doesn't seem like I 1345 01:19:06.000 --> 01:19:07.119 see a little bit of a correlation. 1346 01:19:07.199 --> 01:19:10.239 Yeah, did you ever see the movie Jacob's. 1347 01:19:09.960 --> 01:19:12.199 Ladder parts of it? I've never seen the whole thing. 1348 01:19:13.199 --> 01:19:15.640 Okay, I've watched that movie like over one hundred times. 1349 01:19:17.199 --> 01:19:19.560 Don't don't ask me what that says about me, But 1350 01:19:20.680 --> 01:19:25.000 there is there is a whole sequence in there. I mean. 1351 01:19:25.119 --> 01:19:28.920 So that is also an MKL for a narrative explicitly 1352 01:19:29.239 --> 01:19:34.079 spelled out in the story, but it manifests itself where 1353 01:19:34.239 --> 01:19:40.319 you know, the Tim Robbins Jacob's Ladder character gets you 1354 01:19:40.319 --> 01:19:42.239 know what you're talking about a viral infection, and he 1355 01:19:42.279 --> 01:19:45.439 gets like a super high fever, which you know I 1356 01:19:45.439 --> 01:19:47.000 would get like one hundred and five hundred and six 1357 01:19:47.000 --> 01:19:49.760 all the time. And he and he and that starts 1358 01:19:49.840 --> 01:19:53.079 playing into this whole a blow where he's seeing you know, 1359 01:19:53.159 --> 01:19:57.840 demons and so on everywhere it goes that. I can't 1360 01:19:57.880 --> 01:20:02.800 recommend the film enough. It's not an easy watch. It's 1361 01:20:02.840 --> 01:20:08.640 gruesomely violence in some some places. But it was based 1362 01:20:08.640 --> 01:20:13.479 on was it the Bardo? The bar help me out here? 1363 01:20:13.560 --> 01:20:17.479 Kaiva's and the Tibetan book are the dead? It's what 1364 01:20:17.600 --> 01:20:18.680 is it? The barto a dole? 1365 01:20:19.079 --> 01:20:21.640 The barto photos are the realms that you go into 1366 01:20:21.760 --> 01:20:25.439 when you're when you die, and you train yourself through 1367 01:20:25.520 --> 01:20:31.159 the Tibetan Buddhist practices of the bone tradition to enter 1368 01:20:31.239 --> 01:20:33.359 into these different phases. So if you have that tradition, 1369 01:20:33.399 --> 01:20:35.840 if you actually go through and follow the light, you'll 1370 01:20:35.920 --> 01:20:38.279 end them this like red space, which actually is a 1371 01:20:38.319 --> 01:20:38.960 bad space. 1372 01:20:39.840 --> 01:20:43.039 But yeah, well it can be can be branded, not always, 1373 01:20:43.079 --> 01:20:46.119 not always, but yeah, we enter into the you know, 1374 01:20:46.159 --> 01:20:49.520 you enter into the bardo, you see the existence, appearance 1375 01:20:49.680 --> 01:20:52.880 of the emptiness. As Kaiva said of phenomena, and you 1376 01:20:52.960 --> 01:20:55.560 have to recognize it for what it really is, which 1377 01:20:55.600 --> 01:20:58.199 is of course empty, but that's not how it appears 1378 01:20:58.239 --> 01:20:58.479 to you. 1379 01:20:59.119 --> 01:21:01.000 So the the key, the sort of the. 1380 01:21:01.039 --> 01:21:04.800 Key to traversing the mahasmashana or the carnal ground of 1381 01:21:04.840 --> 01:21:08.760 ultimate reality is recognizing that emptiness is the quote unquote 1382 01:21:08.760 --> 01:21:12.199 primordial truth, and that everything that arises before you is 1383 01:21:12.239 --> 01:21:14.680 just like the kind of. 1384 01:21:14.560 --> 01:21:16.279 The aggregates of your own mind. 1385 01:21:17.039 --> 01:21:21.960 Mm hmm. Well, the film also explicitly ties that in 1386 01:21:22.439 --> 01:21:32.640 too medieval Christian mysticism concepts of purgatory, and it's actually right. 1387 01:21:33.079 --> 01:21:37.159 There's actually a scene, you know, we're spelled like purgatory 1388 01:21:37.319 --> 01:21:41.199 is the demons are really angels who are tearing away 1389 01:21:41.239 --> 01:21:47.079 your attachments to to life, right, I mean, I'm that 1390 01:21:47.119 --> 01:21:50.319 sounds very Buddhist to me as well, right, like you're 1391 01:21:50.479 --> 01:21:53.239 you know, yeah, attachments, attachment. 1392 01:21:53.279 --> 01:21:56.880 And so there is a similarity, Chris like to the 1393 01:21:57.000 --> 01:22:00.359 kind of Catholic like the more Catholic idea is of 1394 01:22:00.680 --> 01:22:03.640 a kind of interstitial realm, like even Kaivo was saying before, 1395 01:22:03.800 --> 01:22:06.880 like of Neptune the smoky place. This makes complete sense 1396 01:22:06.920 --> 01:22:10.600 in the tontric perspective or contract astrological perspective, because that 1397 01:22:10.720 --> 01:22:14.079 is kind of like the when the the body is 1398 01:22:14.079 --> 01:22:17.359 completely made dissolute, that would be kind of that Katuvian 1399 01:22:18.439 --> 01:22:22.560 or Neptune. And depending on your framing of like the 1400 01:22:22.640 --> 01:22:26.119 outer three planets and their relationship with the Vita castrology, 1401 01:22:26.119 --> 01:22:29.640 but yeah, I think it's the same. It's like you're 1402 01:22:29.680 --> 01:22:32.760 in this kind of interstitial zone. It's not it's not 1403 01:22:33.840 --> 01:22:36.640 it's not it's not destruction and it's not creation. It's 1404 01:22:36.720 --> 01:22:37.880 kind of it's in between. 1405 01:22:40.000 --> 01:22:41.720 Well, when I think of Neptune too, I also think 1406 01:22:41.720 --> 01:22:45.560 a proteus and you know, the whole idea of like 1407 01:22:45.640 --> 01:22:49.000 Protea in the original, and it's the abyss and the waters, 1408 01:22:49.800 --> 01:22:53.560 but it's also shape shifting and at the same time 1409 01:22:53.600 --> 01:23:00.520 it's also prophetic. Are you guys familiar with the god. 1410 01:23:00.079 --> 01:23:01.800 Old Man of the Sea, right, Homer? 1411 01:23:01.960 --> 01:23:04.199 Yeah, Yeah, the Old Man is exactly the Old Man 1412 01:23:04.239 --> 01:23:08.119 of the Sea. So but there is that whole idea 1413 01:23:08.319 --> 01:23:15.840 of deception sort of almost being a mask for revelation. Yeah, 1414 01:23:16.239 --> 01:23:20.960 do you understand what I'm saying. And that's something that 1415 01:23:21.000 --> 01:23:24.640 you see throughout the X Files, ironically, and the other 1416 01:23:24.640 --> 01:23:29.119 thing I should mention too is that him Robbins is 1417 01:23:29.119 --> 01:23:33.479 the star of Jacob Sladder and the last person you 1418 01:23:33.520 --> 01:23:36.720 see on screen in any X Files episode, which is 1419 01:23:36.760 --> 01:23:41.159 the eleventh season last episode, is his son, Miles Robins, 1420 01:23:41.239 --> 01:23:47.720 who plays Mulder and Scully's son, who's and he rises 1421 01:23:47.800 --> 01:23:50.239 up out of the waters, and he he is the 1422 01:23:50.279 --> 01:23:53.680 new proteus because he's a shape shifter as well, but 1423 01:23:53.760 --> 01:23:56.880 he's also psychic, so but he's all he's prophetic, and 1424 01:23:57.840 --> 01:23:59.800 I don't know, I mean, I wonder how much of 1425 01:23:59.840 --> 01:24:02.560 that ties into a cargo was saying about the whole 1426 01:24:02.800 --> 01:24:07.680 influence of Neptune on the pilot episode. Some Well, I 1427 01:24:07.680 --> 01:24:10.600 guess at that point it was twenty three years earlier, right, 1428 01:24:12.600 --> 01:24:17.920 that's too Yeah, I mean that seems like so Uranus 1429 01:24:18.000 --> 01:24:18.840 is the sky. 1430 01:24:19.199 --> 01:24:20.800 Right, and it breaks open things. 1431 01:24:21.000 --> 01:24:23.880 So it's like as Uranus is like breaking open Saturn's 1432 01:24:23.920 --> 01:24:27.439 world of like stability. Yeah, Like Neptune's planting these like 1433 01:24:27.560 --> 01:24:29.960 visions and ideas. 1434 01:24:32.479 --> 01:24:35.319 So it all plays in. I mean, Chris Carter again 1435 01:24:35.520 --> 01:24:45.239 was well versed in ancient mythology, and there are explicit 1436 01:24:46.079 --> 01:24:50.560 references to that, and he did write an episode about astrology, 1437 01:24:50.680 --> 01:24:52.920 so I'm kind of wondering if he was kind of 1438 01:24:54.039 --> 01:24:56.880 maybe aware that. But one thing that Dean Haglin who 1439 01:24:56.880 --> 01:24:58.479 plays one of the Lone Gunman. If you guys want 1440 01:24:58.520 --> 01:25:03.000 to talk about that Lone Gunman episode, it said that 1441 01:25:03.880 --> 01:25:08.680 the CIA would have fortune tellows and astrologers at Hollywood 1442 01:25:08.680 --> 01:25:14.239 parties back in the early nineties, and one of one 1443 01:25:14.279 --> 01:25:16.560 of them, you know, it's said to Chris Carter when 1444 01:25:16.600 --> 01:25:19.079 the show was being developed, you know this is going 1445 01:25:19.119 --> 01:25:21.439 to be you know, it's going to be a huge success, 1446 01:25:21.520 --> 01:25:25.039 and all the rest of it kind of makes you 1447 01:25:25.119 --> 01:25:30.640 wonder though, right, Well, one thing I try to impart 1448 01:25:30.680 --> 01:25:34.800 to people because there's this whole and this whole comes 1449 01:25:34.800 --> 01:25:39.960 from that whole boomer conspiracy world. Oh it's all distraction 1450 01:25:40.399 --> 01:25:43.399 or whatever. It's like, No, there, these people really are 1451 01:25:43.560 --> 01:25:50.880 true believers. I think there is I think a grave 1452 01:25:51.000 --> 01:25:53.239 misconception and it's one of the things I write about, 1453 01:25:53.399 --> 01:25:55.399 you know, Like I mentioned my first novel, He Will 1454 01:25:55.439 --> 01:25:57.760 Live Up in the Sky, is that I really wanted 1455 01:25:57.760 --> 01:26:00.119 to impart to people. The people who get involved than 1456 01:26:00.199 --> 01:26:02.359 these kind of programs and stuff when it deals with 1457 01:26:02.399 --> 01:26:05.359 the paranormal and so on and so forth, are true believers. 1458 01:26:05.560 --> 01:26:08.039 And I think that's become blatantly obvious now with this 1459 01:26:08.079 --> 01:26:15.920 whole UFO disclosure run around, you know, I think, you know, 1460 01:26:16.000 --> 01:26:18.479 it's it's fairly obvious that, you know, people like Jim 1461 01:26:18.479 --> 01:26:23.720 semi Van and what's his name, Grush, you know, and 1462 01:26:23.760 --> 01:26:26.960 all these people who come out of the quote unquote 1463 01:26:26.960 --> 01:26:30.640 intelligence community, they really are true believers. You know. I 1464 01:26:31.119 --> 01:26:37.239 don't think they're play acting. The more disturbing truth to 1465 01:26:37.319 --> 01:26:39.439 me is that they really do believe all this stuff 1466 01:26:39.680 --> 01:26:46.439 lock stock and barrel, you know, all this UFO lore 1467 01:26:48.439 --> 01:26:55.199 that has been ceded into the culture by the military 1468 01:26:55.680 --> 01:27:00.319 since the nineteen forties, and specifically the Navy, you know, 1469 01:27:00.359 --> 01:27:05.239 talk about Neptune and Proteus, right, and that whole influence 1470 01:27:07.079 --> 01:27:11.199 is that group Nightcap, which is explicitly cited in the 1471 01:27:11.199 --> 01:27:17.159 next Files episode the Executive Committee. We're all Navy and 1472 01:27:17.239 --> 01:27:26.479 Marine flag officers, you know, which means like you know, commanders, commodores, admirals, 1473 01:27:26.840 --> 01:27:30.159 generals and so on and so forth. I think there 1474 01:27:30.239 --> 01:27:35.239 is a misconception that these people aren't true believers, and 1475 01:27:35.319 --> 01:27:38.439 I think that is a very very dangerous belief. 1476 01:27:40.359 --> 01:27:42.039 Yeah, and that goes back to you talking about like 1477 01:27:42.119 --> 01:27:45.600 facing our delusions like the Proteus and the Neptune. You're 1478 01:27:45.720 --> 01:27:48.279 in this type of things. Is that when we come 1479 01:27:48.319 --> 01:27:51.119 up against our delusions, which is the same as like 1480 01:27:51.159 --> 01:27:53.800 Buddha coming in under the body tree, coming up against 1481 01:27:53.800 --> 01:27:57.319 Mara and all the illusions of reality of the illusions. 1482 01:27:57.800 --> 01:27:59.720 Like I think it's sometimes we think when we talk 1483 01:27:59.760 --> 01:28:03.720 about illusions of reality, it's always we always think external 1484 01:28:04.479 --> 01:28:07.039 when we should actually be thinking of these illusions. Are 1485 01:28:07.079 --> 01:28:11.720 these internal aspects of how we use our perception to 1486 01:28:11.880 --> 01:28:15.800 understand external events, And so it's such a fascinating thing. 1487 01:28:15.880 --> 01:28:18.079 Jesus did it when he was, you know, confronted with 1488 01:28:18.119 --> 01:28:20.760 Satan on the mount and he had to go through 1489 01:28:20.800 --> 01:28:23.239 the Three trials. Buddha goes through the three trials. I 1490 01:28:23.239 --> 01:28:25.399 feel like same thing we do when we're going up 1491 01:28:25.439 --> 01:28:29.720 against our own delusions. When we take high dosages of entheogens, 1492 01:28:30.079 --> 01:28:33.279 you go through that first ego death and you're confronted 1493 01:28:33.399 --> 01:28:37.800 with the great you know, Guardian at the threshold. And 1494 01:28:37.840 --> 01:28:42.319 I think that very much relates to alien disclosure. What 1495 01:28:42.359 --> 01:28:44.880 the X files was constantly trying to ask us about 1496 01:28:44.880 --> 01:28:48.920 our own paranoid Schitzo understanding about how these things are 1497 01:28:49.000 --> 01:28:51.840 happening in the world, that we are deluded to think 1498 01:28:51.920 --> 01:28:55.640 many things and if we can calm those delusions and 1499 01:28:55.680 --> 01:28:59.720 try to center ourselves through you know, practice of sorts 1500 01:28:59.840 --> 01:29:04.039 or understanding the synchro mystic events you know, of the 1501 01:29:04.039 --> 01:29:07.039 external internal world as they happen. It's just funny how 1502 01:29:07.039 --> 01:29:11.079 these things continue to spiral out and in together. 1503 01:29:11.520 --> 01:29:15.880 Well, I do use synchronicity as my yardstick. Yeah, yeah, 1504 01:29:16.359 --> 01:29:21.239 I'm just yeah, thank you. You know, just a very 1505 01:29:21.439 --> 01:29:26.520 heightened awareness of deception and lies and misdirection and so on. 1506 01:29:27.199 --> 01:29:35.039 But when things break, that veil between the imaginal and 1507 01:29:35.079 --> 01:29:44.039 the temporal that is hard to manufacture. Okay, you can 1508 01:29:44.079 --> 01:29:48.520 sort of create a counterfeit of it, which happens all 1509 01:29:48.560 --> 01:29:54.279 the time. But I think that if you're rigorous in 1510 01:29:54.319 --> 01:29:59.239 your approach to synchronisticism, it becomes like a great you 1511 01:29:59.239 --> 01:30:02.239 know bs to so to speak. 1512 01:30:02.880 --> 01:30:04.800 Yeah, and we spend most of our and this is 1513 01:30:04.840 --> 01:30:07.840 something that needs to be understood by the audience and 1514 01:30:07.880 --> 01:30:13.279 many people around, is that the differentiation between understanding the 1515 01:30:13.359 --> 01:30:19.079 idea that materiality created consciousness instead of how our physical 1516 01:30:19.079 --> 01:30:23.279 bodies are tuning forks for consciousness and then we switch 1517 01:30:23.319 --> 01:30:28.119 our understanding. It's kind of like a Kantean Compernican revolution 1518 01:30:28.560 --> 01:30:31.079 is where it's like it seems to me that the 1519 01:30:31.159 --> 01:30:34.880 ideal realm was first created and why we speak about 1520 01:30:34.920 --> 01:30:39.359 cabbala and missicism magic and then everything stems forth into materiality. 1521 01:30:39.800 --> 01:30:41.479 And I think about it when we were talking, is 1522 01:30:41.520 --> 01:30:44.119 like we spend most of our days in the ideal 1523 01:30:44.640 --> 01:30:47.319 or in the idea spheres, in the imaginal realms. In 1524 01:30:47.359 --> 01:30:50.359 the imagination, we sleep more than we do anything else. 1525 01:30:50.399 --> 01:30:52.600 And even when we're walking in the world, in the 1526 01:30:52.760 --> 01:30:56.279 material world, we're sleepwalking through our reality. And so to 1527 01:30:56.359 --> 01:31:01.279 think that materiality is more real than the idea spheres 1528 01:31:01.359 --> 01:31:03.600 is kind of a deluded take, because of we are 1529 01:31:03.680 --> 01:31:07.119 within the ideal realms at all times. And then to 1530 01:31:07.199 --> 01:31:10.039 even say that I am contradicting myself because I don't. 1531 01:31:10.279 --> 01:31:12.279 I think cartesianism is one of the worst things to 1532 01:31:12.319 --> 01:31:15.000 happen to us. And so the idea is that we 1533 01:31:15.079 --> 01:31:17.600 need to merge these two things. And it's really hard 1534 01:31:17.640 --> 01:31:21.239 because our language, which is magic. Right, even saying language 1535 01:31:21.319 --> 01:31:24.079 is magic is getting us away from understanding that all 1536 01:31:24.159 --> 01:31:27.760 language is metaphor, and so we can understand the metaphors 1537 01:31:27.880 --> 01:31:32.359 of our own understanding. Is that then we're understanding something. 1538 01:31:32.399 --> 01:31:35.640 We're we're merging the body mind back together. And I 1539 01:31:35.640 --> 01:31:39.079 think that's really important to understand then when disclosure happens, 1540 01:31:39.439 --> 01:31:42.760 to not believe it, doesn't say it's not happening, but 1541 01:31:42.840 --> 01:31:46.520 to understand that if we read Jacques Villet, Carl Jung 1542 01:31:46.760 --> 01:31:49.760 and the ancients and the modern the and the mythologies 1543 01:31:49.760 --> 01:31:52.479 of our past and present, that they're trying to tell 1544 01:31:52.560 --> 01:31:55.279 us much of the same thing all the time, is 1545 01:31:55.319 --> 01:31:58.000 that this is a remembering and you're waking up to 1546 01:31:58.079 --> 01:32:02.760 something and to stop sleep walking through through your reality. 1547 01:32:03.039 --> 01:32:06.039 So it's well. 1548 01:32:06.359 --> 01:32:09.079 On that note, like you guys are talking about childhood 1549 01:32:09.079 --> 01:32:14.279 fevers and talking about these psychedelic experiences like these are 1550 01:32:14.319 --> 01:32:17.319 all playing into the idea of the shamanic right, and 1551 01:32:17.359 --> 01:32:21.319 even the show is sort of like walking you through 1552 01:32:21.319 --> 01:32:25.520 the dismembering of certain ideas that maybe the boomer generation 1553 01:32:25.720 --> 01:32:28.279 had about the government and how they're all loving and 1554 01:32:28.359 --> 01:32:32.760 all good and all caring, and so where does that 1555 01:32:32.920 --> 01:32:36.560 integration start and stop As a societal level, You know, 1556 01:32:36.600 --> 01:32:39.439 we're sort of coming up to the point where all 1557 01:32:39.479 --> 01:32:42.600 of these late nineties films of living in this sort 1558 01:32:42.640 --> 01:32:46.680 of unreal world are now coming to fruition, right, So 1559 01:32:46.920 --> 01:32:50.479 you know, you've got the Matrix movies about this unreal matrix, 1560 01:32:50.520 --> 01:32:52.640 you've got Dark City, all of these other things are 1561 01:32:52.680 --> 01:32:56.720 talking about the unreal sort of taking precedent over the 1562 01:32:56.800 --> 01:32:59.399 reel and trying to find your way out through this maze. 1563 01:33:00.079 --> 01:33:02.720 So at what point are we going to reach that 1564 01:33:02.760 --> 01:33:04.439 sort of breaking point? Is it going to be a 1565 01:33:04.479 --> 01:33:08.960 positive or a negative thing? Because we have most. 1566 01:33:08.800 --> 01:33:12.159 People aren't I mean, and increasingly I mean people are 1567 01:33:12.199 --> 01:33:19.399 becoming semi sentient on a societal scale. I don't know 1568 01:33:19.439 --> 01:33:23.119 if you guys follow well, you know, we've had thousands 1569 01:33:23.159 --> 01:33:29.239 of teachers quit teaching because this what they called Generation Alpha, 1570 01:33:29.479 --> 01:33:33.439 are unedgucable and they have no attention spans, they have 1571 01:33:33.600 --> 01:33:38.479 no conceptual they have no inner dialogue real. So I 1572 01:33:38.520 --> 01:33:43.600 think that it's going to be I don't want to say, 1573 01:33:43.640 --> 01:33:46.399 like a Dawn of the Dead situation, you know, where 1574 01:33:47.279 --> 01:33:51.920 we're dealing with masses of zombies and just a few 1575 01:33:52.640 --> 01:33:55.520 sentient people. I hope we know we're not chased into 1576 01:33:55.600 --> 01:34:02.880 extinction because it will all fall apart. Then I think 1577 01:34:02.880 --> 01:34:06.119 it's it's up to the individual. It's up to each 1578 01:34:06.159 --> 01:34:13.840 individual to tend to their own enlightened. You can't rely 1579 01:34:16.600 --> 01:34:23.359 on systems anymore, you know, particularly now because all institutions 1580 01:34:23.479 --> 01:34:31.119 have been infiltrated, subverted and degraded. Really, I mean all 1581 01:34:31.560 --> 01:34:40.560 our education system, our religious system, government industry across the board, right, media, 1582 01:34:41.560 --> 01:34:47.399 it's all been degraded, it's all been co opted. So 1583 01:34:47.520 --> 01:34:51.520 we can't we're not going to get our power from that, 1584 01:34:52.079 --> 01:34:56.079 you know, you have to find it somewhere else. And 1585 01:34:56.239 --> 01:34:58.760 discussions like this I think are a really important part 1586 01:34:58.800 --> 01:35:05.199 of that. But just understand that you're almost sort of 1587 01:35:05.199 --> 01:35:09.439 like putting a target on your forehead because we're dealing 1588 01:35:09.680 --> 01:35:14.279 with a growing mass of sleepwalkers who don't want to 1589 01:35:14.319 --> 01:35:19.520 be awakened, who don't even know there is an awakened state, 1590 01:35:20.479 --> 01:35:27.159 right They're they're totally focused on the scrolling. They can't 1591 01:35:27.199 --> 01:35:30.439 even focus on a half an hour television program anymore. 1592 01:35:32.239 --> 01:35:38.920 Attention spans have been just completely shattered on a majority, 1593 01:35:38.960 --> 01:35:42.399 I think of the population. So you have to take 1594 01:35:42.479 --> 01:35:45.600 you have to take responsibility for yourself and I think 1595 01:35:48.479 --> 01:35:54.920 networking and coalescing and so on, while avoiding creating a 1596 01:35:54.960 --> 01:35:58.359 new set of institutions, right because whenever you create a 1597 01:35:58.359 --> 01:36:03.720 set of institutions, those institutions need to be maintained, all right, 1598 01:36:04.239 --> 01:36:10.239 And the people who are going to come to you 1599 01:36:10.439 --> 01:36:14.199 to maintain those institutions are going to want to co 1600 01:36:14.279 --> 01:36:19.640 opt them and you know, bring them into this clive 1601 01:36:19.800 --> 01:36:23.359 mind that we're seeing built, okay, on an increasing basis. 1602 01:36:24.079 --> 01:36:28.520 So it's a it's a weird kind of dance right 1603 01:36:28.560 --> 01:36:32.800 where you need to. You can't do it alone, you 1604 01:36:32.880 --> 01:36:39.000 can't work in isolation. But I do think that any 1605 01:36:39.119 --> 01:36:44.279 time a structure or a system is built, it will 1606 01:36:44.279 --> 01:36:48.600 be either co opted from within or destroyed from without. 1607 01:36:50.039 --> 01:36:51.520 I really honestly believe that. 1608 01:36:52.399 --> 01:36:54.880 No, I completely agree, and it makes me think of 1609 01:36:55.880 --> 01:36:57.720 and for me all the time. I'm always going back 1610 01:36:57.760 --> 01:36:59.520 to it. But Plato's cave has been such a big 1611 01:36:59.560 --> 01:37:02.720 idea from my own life and understanding is that once 1612 01:37:02.760 --> 01:37:04.600 you get out of the cave, right, it's just this 1613 01:37:04.800 --> 01:37:06.920 very similar to the matrix. You waking up from the matrix, 1614 01:37:06.920 --> 01:37:08.800 You go out there, you witness the forms, you do, 1615 01:37:08.920 --> 01:37:10.840 go back into the cave. And what Plato says is 1616 01:37:10.880 --> 01:37:12.720 that when you go back into the cave, you will 1617 01:37:12.720 --> 01:37:15.960 be mocked by those still shackled to the wall, and 1618 01:37:16.159 --> 01:37:19.279 if upsetting them enough, you will be killed. And I 1619 01:37:19.319 --> 01:37:23.039 think that's really important. Knowing that I'm not saying people 1620 01:37:23.079 --> 01:37:25.359 are going to be physically killed here, but it's happening. 1621 01:37:25.800 --> 01:37:28.920 But the idea that further goes is that you're not 1622 01:37:28.960 --> 01:37:31.039 bringing the light back with you as you go in. 1623 01:37:31.600 --> 01:37:33.359 You're not bringing the forms back in there as you 1624 01:37:33.399 --> 01:37:35.399 go in. You are going in there to kind of 1625 01:37:35.640 --> 01:37:39.079 do the thing. Because the cave is this institutionalized world, 1626 01:37:39.079 --> 01:37:41.479 the bureaucratic world. It is this that even that we're 1627 01:37:41.520 --> 01:37:44.000 doing right now. We're speaking and then we speak in 1628 01:37:44.079 --> 01:37:48.840 dialogue and dialectic and you know, really, to me, you know, 1629 01:37:48.920 --> 01:37:51.399 all of Plato's work is what in him, what he's 1630 01:37:51.399 --> 01:37:54.920 trying to do is he's discussing the orphic mystery traditions, 1631 01:37:54.960 --> 01:37:57.840 the Pythagorea and mystery traditions and all the mystery traditions 1632 01:37:57.840 --> 01:37:59.359 that he was a part of at that time frame. 1633 01:37:59.560 --> 01:38:02.800 And upon doing so, he's teaching people how to philosophize. 1634 01:38:02.920 --> 01:38:04.760 And that's why I'm trying That's why for me and 1635 01:38:04.840 --> 01:38:07.560 my work, I'm like, let's learn kind of Like what 1636 01:38:07.600 --> 01:38:10.359 you're doing, Chris is like you're like there's this synchronistic 1637 01:38:10.439 --> 01:38:15.920 events going on. You're reframing people's understanding how to make 1638 01:38:15.960 --> 01:38:19.119 the connections between as you're always talking about the sirens 1639 01:38:19.439 --> 01:38:22.640 and the Sirens Call and these things in our music. 1640 01:38:23.079 --> 01:38:26.239 Two then the X files and our modern myths of today. 1641 01:38:26.640 --> 01:38:28.920 And when you can see those from a new perspective 1642 01:38:28.960 --> 01:38:31.600 instead of just recreationizing them, but seeing them as this 1643 01:38:31.720 --> 01:38:35.800 grander cyclical pattern, then others can take up their own stand, 1644 01:38:35.840 --> 01:38:38.840 in their own agency in the world and start asking 1645 01:38:38.920 --> 01:38:41.239 questions and then have the dialogue, because I think that's 1646 01:38:41.279 --> 01:38:43.520 something that we need to all get back to, which again, 1647 01:38:43.520 --> 01:38:45.520 like you said, and I agree, panels like this and 1648 01:38:45.560 --> 01:38:48.840 all the work that you know, Greg Carlwood and all 1649 01:38:48.880 --> 01:38:50.640 these different people are doing out in the world is 1650 01:38:50.640 --> 01:38:53.680 really important because without this, all people are getting is 1651 01:38:53.720 --> 01:38:57.239 the modern mainstream media pandering back and forth between that 1652 01:38:57.279 --> 01:39:00.119 Hegelian dialectic because they don't want to teach people how 1653 01:38:59.960 --> 01:39:01.640 to think for themselves. 1654 01:39:01.479 --> 01:39:05.920 It's it's worse than that, thoughn't it. I'm almost I'm 1655 01:39:05.960 --> 01:39:11.239 almost nostalgic for that a Gaelian dialectic. Excuse me just 1656 01:39:11.239 --> 01:39:17.840 a moment. Yeah, what it is now is just cacophony. 1657 01:39:18.800 --> 01:39:26.439 And it's a cacophony of completely untutored minds. Okay, I mean, 1658 01:39:26.479 --> 01:39:31.359 just go on any social media platform and but there's 1659 01:39:31.399 --> 01:39:38.199 also pseudo enlightenment and and all the rest of it. 1660 01:39:41.199 --> 01:39:44.600 And I think it just numbs people. It's it's numbing. 1661 01:39:44.720 --> 01:39:51.439 I mean I find it numbing sometimes. So like I said, 1662 01:39:51.520 --> 01:39:55.239 I mean, you can't. You can't take responsibility for somebody 1663 01:39:55.279 --> 01:39:58.399 else's enlightenment. You know, you can't. You can lead a 1664 01:39:58.920 --> 01:40:01.119 horse to water, but you can't and make them drink right, 1665 01:40:01.560 --> 01:40:03.720 or you can't make them think right. 1666 01:40:03.520 --> 01:40:03.640 Right. 1667 01:40:06.399 --> 01:40:09.840 But I think there are you know, a number of 1668 01:40:09.880 --> 01:40:15.119 people out there who you can reach and like I said, 1669 01:40:15.159 --> 01:40:23.880 you can coalesce with while avoiding becoming an institution yourself, 1670 01:40:24.000 --> 01:40:29.800 or building building just another wall, building, just another prison, 1671 01:40:31.920 --> 01:40:36.359 which I again, I believe all institutions eventually become. And 1672 01:40:36.479 --> 01:40:38.359 it's it's the nature of the beasts, because you know, 1673 01:40:38.399 --> 01:40:42.359 somebody has to sweep the floors, and somebody has to 1674 01:40:42.439 --> 01:40:44.880 stuff the envelopes, and you know, some many somebody has 1675 01:40:44.920 --> 01:40:47.880 to do the spreadsheets and everything. And the people who 1676 01:40:49.399 --> 01:40:56.199 do that, quite often are people who are basically broken 1677 01:40:56.279 --> 01:41:03.399 inside and want to use your structure, your institution, whatever 1678 01:41:03.439 --> 01:41:10.319 you've built, to subvert it to their weird, suicidal, destructive, 1679 01:41:12.920 --> 01:41:18.800 apocalyptic ends. And I realize that sounds a bit pessimistic 1680 01:41:18.840 --> 01:41:24.840 in some ways, but hopefully we can learn or we 1681 01:41:24.880 --> 01:41:32.560 can develop technologies where these old institutional superstructures can become obsolete. 1682 01:41:34.640 --> 01:41:38.680 Okay, it's interesting about that is the Uranus and Taurus 1683 01:41:38.720 --> 01:41:42.560 is now ending, So since twenty eighteen, Uranus and Taurus 1684 01:41:42.600 --> 01:41:45.520 is breaking down tradition, so like since twenty eighteen, you 1685 01:41:45.520 --> 01:41:48.000 can reflect on it. Right, it's like twenty eighteen till now, 1686 01:41:48.039 --> 01:41:50.800 like we've seen so much as like opening up of 1687 01:41:51.039 --> 01:41:53.800 like you know, institutions that we used to trust, news stations, 1688 01:41:53.800 --> 01:41:56.920 all these things, and now Urinus is moving into Gemini. 1689 01:41:57.000 --> 01:41:59.520 So it is this time of like changing how we 1690 01:41:59.600 --> 01:42:04.319 exchange information, changing how we learn things, breakthroughs in science 1691 01:42:04.399 --> 01:42:07.680 and like humanity and connection because Gemini is like the 1692 01:42:07.720 --> 01:42:09.119 bridge between the black and the white. 1693 01:42:09.119 --> 01:42:12.000 It's the depolarization of things, and so it. 1694 01:42:11.960 --> 01:42:14.479 Might be interesting to see how it's going to be 1695 01:42:14.520 --> 01:42:15.960 eight years of it, right, So it's going to be 1696 01:42:15.960 --> 01:42:18.199 like a progress of eight years, just like we had 1697 01:42:18.199 --> 01:42:20.079 a progress of eight years till now, where we're like 1698 01:42:20.319 --> 01:42:22.760 all the institutions that we once knew are now broken, 1699 01:42:23.000 --> 01:42:26.800 right like Urinus rip shit up since twenty eighteen, So 1700 01:42:26.840 --> 01:42:29.159 it will be interesting to see if like things and 1701 01:42:29.199 --> 01:42:32.800 that's where like directing is so important because these people. 1702 01:42:32.560 --> 01:42:34.520 Know these astrological trends that they use them. 1703 01:42:34.600 --> 01:42:38.319 Right, So you can use astrological trends, it's to gear 1704 01:42:38.359 --> 01:42:39.680 people to think a certain way. 1705 01:42:40.000 --> 01:42:41.520 And I think that's where it's interesting. 1706 01:42:41.640 --> 01:42:46.720 Like when you know, when we had you know, Saturn 1707 01:42:46.760 --> 01:42:48.760 and Aquarius and everybody wanted to belong it was like 1708 01:42:48.800 --> 01:42:51.680 the time of COVID, right, so it's like they pushed 1709 01:42:51.760 --> 01:42:54.279 this like thing of like you can belong to this group, 1710 01:42:54.359 --> 01:42:56.920 you can belong to that group, and you can also 1711 01:42:56.960 --> 01:42:57.840 be a non vaxxer. 1712 01:42:58.119 --> 01:42:59.119 That's also a group. 1713 01:42:59.199 --> 01:43:01.960 Right, here's the groups that you can belong to because 1714 01:43:01.960 --> 01:43:05.520 you want to belong And so it's interesting how That's 1715 01:43:05.520 --> 01:43:06.800 what I always think about. It is like how can 1716 01:43:06.840 --> 01:43:10.560 we gear people towards the good direction? 1717 01:43:10.600 --> 01:43:12.479 But obviously I'm not influential enough to do that, but 1718 01:43:12.600 --> 01:43:13.680 you know, yeah. 1719 01:43:13.479 --> 01:43:16.279 Well I'm thinking about you're thinking about Saturn and Saturn 1720 01:43:16.359 --> 01:43:19.720 eating as children, and I'm hearing more and more about 1721 01:43:20.039 --> 01:43:26.800 these turbo cancers that increasingly younger people are dealing with. 1722 01:43:29.000 --> 01:43:35.079 I certainly have my interpretation or my theory on why 1723 01:43:35.159 --> 01:43:38.800 that is happening, but it's like the people who wanted 1724 01:43:38.840 --> 01:43:44.359 to belong to that crusade. Really what it was, it 1725 01:43:44.479 --> 01:43:49.600 was a moral panic crusade. Are being eaten by it, 1726 01:43:50.439 --> 01:43:55.439 literally eaten by it. But there's also I don't know, 1727 01:43:56.039 --> 01:43:59.920 you didn't mention, was it Neptune and aries? Did you mention? 1728 01:44:00.039 --> 01:44:02.960 Yeah, that's just yeah, that's recently just Neptune moved into 1729 01:44:03.039 --> 01:44:06.560 areas just like a couple of months ago I did. 1730 01:44:06.680 --> 01:44:10.359 I had a discussion with an astrology named Noah Campbell. 1731 01:44:10.399 --> 01:44:13.319 I don't know if you're familiar with Noah. We did 1732 01:44:13.359 --> 01:44:18.960 a whole discussion on what that portends, you know, Neptune 1733 01:44:18.960 --> 01:44:20.319 and areas and so on. 1734 01:44:21.800 --> 01:44:22.039 And. 1735 01:44:23.720 --> 01:44:27.000 It went, you know, it's it's gone from my mind 1736 01:44:27.119 --> 01:44:30.640 because my brain just doesn't think that way. But if 1737 01:44:30.640 --> 01:44:32.800 you want, I can send you a link to the discussion. Anyhow, 1738 01:44:34.239 --> 01:44:36.399 we are on so many different levels. I mean, there 1739 01:44:36.399 --> 01:44:39.560 are so many of these macro trends or these huge 1740 01:44:39.640 --> 01:44:42.800 forces or these movements or these alignments of these conjunctions 1741 01:44:43.359 --> 01:44:47.760 that are all happening now right, they're all coming into 1742 01:44:48.720 --> 01:44:52.600 playe now. And what is what is that something had mentioned? 1743 01:44:52.640 --> 01:44:55.640 There's some sort of conjunction of something that hasn't happened 1744 01:44:55.680 --> 01:45:00.600 since like the time of Christ. What was that there's 1745 01:45:00.640 --> 01:45:05.680 some major alignment or some something. 1746 01:45:07.399 --> 01:45:10.520 It might have been like in a specific degree, because 1747 01:45:10.560 --> 01:45:13.319 all the planets are going to interact within like two 1748 01:45:13.439 --> 01:45:15.960 hundred and fifty years, because that's kind of like the 1749 01:45:16.000 --> 01:45:17.960 cycle of Pluto. That would be like the longest one, 1750 01:45:18.199 --> 01:45:19.720 but most I mean, it's going to be like in 1751 01:45:19.760 --> 01:45:23.399 a sign, So maybe I think it was maybe like 1752 01:45:23.439 --> 01:45:26.800 the Neptune Saturn. I could look it up in my 1753 01:45:27.840 --> 01:45:31.039 phone to see what that aspect would be. But there 1754 01:45:31.159 --> 01:45:33.119 is like you know, they do interact all the time, 1755 01:45:33.119 --> 01:45:34.279 but in a specific sign. 1756 01:45:34.479 --> 01:45:36.319 Is sometimes when people get hyped about. 1757 01:45:36.199 --> 01:45:38.000 Because they're like, oh my gosh, this hasn't happened in 1758 01:45:38.000 --> 01:45:40.399 this sign since you know, a long, long time ago. 1759 01:45:40.399 --> 01:45:41.039 But I can look it. 1760 01:45:41.039 --> 01:45:43.560 Up and then the houses and all the rest of it, 1761 01:45:43.640 --> 01:45:47.479 and the Deccans, and I'm just so totally useless of astrology. 1762 01:45:47.520 --> 01:45:53.439 I apologize anyhow, Well, you brought up chronism, and I 1763 01:45:53.479 --> 01:45:56.560 think the X files is a really good example of that. 1764 01:45:56.600 --> 01:45:59.000 You know, they're kind of the children of the FBI, 1765 01:45:59.520 --> 01:46:02.800 and they're constantly being consumed by the government. You know, 1766 01:46:02.840 --> 01:46:07.319 they're constantly being you know, used for their intelligence gathering, 1767 01:46:07.439 --> 01:46:09.800 capability and then sort of thrown to the side and 1768 01:46:09.960 --> 01:46:12.640 used up. You know, that's sort of like the same 1769 01:46:12.680 --> 01:46:15.279 thing we see with you know, COVID and all the 1770 01:46:15.319 --> 01:46:18.319 rest of these ideas is that we get used for 1771 01:46:18.439 --> 01:46:20.920 our resources and then sort of tossed to the side. 1772 01:46:20.960 --> 01:46:24.960 And that's that's a cycle that we've only recently, in 1773 01:46:25.079 --> 01:46:28.239 terms of American history, become aware of. We thought that, 1774 01:46:28.319 --> 01:46:31.199 you know, there was a reciprocal relationship going on here, 1775 01:46:31.199 --> 01:46:34.720 but it seems like human resources are more and more 1776 01:46:35.520 --> 01:46:37.279 used up in the toss to the side, and then 1777 01:46:37.319 --> 01:46:40.640 we get something else. You brought up naval intelligence, and 1778 01:46:40.720 --> 01:46:45.920 this is like the original form of intelligence, right, and 1779 01:46:45.960 --> 01:46:48.760 in multiple ways. But for society, like you had to 1780 01:46:48.800 --> 01:46:54.279 have this naval trade network that allowed for the you know, 1781 01:46:54.520 --> 01:46:57.520 the trade of goods across boundaries using the water as 1782 01:46:57.560 --> 01:47:00.760 their medium. What we see now going on with UH 1783 01:47:00.960 --> 01:47:05.039 with Iran is that the naval blockade is sort of 1784 01:47:05.079 --> 01:47:08.000 the central focus of society, right. And if you think 1785 01:47:08.039 --> 01:47:10.960 of water as some sort of a conscious energy, what 1786 01:47:11.000 --> 01:47:14.960 we're seeing is now this blockade of consciousness and and 1787 01:47:15.039 --> 01:47:17.640 you know, everybody's sort of being diverted into this path 1788 01:47:17.680 --> 01:47:20.640 of you know, focusing on on warfare and how can 1789 01:47:20.680 --> 01:47:23.760 we how can we prop up this failing empire? And 1790 01:47:23.800 --> 01:47:28.000 another way of putting naval intelligence is om fulo skepsis right, 1791 01:47:28.039 --> 01:47:32.479 which would be naval dazing. And this is kind of 1792 01:47:32.520 --> 01:47:35.319 the naval intelligence that we have now where all of 1793 01:47:35.359 --> 01:47:38.520 these you know, people are just so hung up on themselves. 1794 01:47:38.520 --> 01:47:39.520 Look at Pete Hegseth. 1795 01:47:39.600 --> 01:47:41.640 You know, there's not a thing that he could say 1796 01:47:41.680 --> 01:47:43.920 that you know, he wouldn't love to hear out of himself. 1797 01:47:44.239 --> 01:47:47.560 And the entire thing is sort of inwardly focused. And 1798 01:47:47.720 --> 01:47:50.840 now we're seeing the Trump administration turn on their own 1799 01:47:50.920 --> 01:47:54.640 supporters and not listening to anybody. It's it's kind of 1800 01:47:54.680 --> 01:47:57.319 intensely focused on the self while also being. 1801 01:47:57.279 --> 01:48:01.159 Blind completely to what a lot of that might be. Also, 1802 01:48:01.359 --> 01:48:03.920 I mean, there's just so many syops going on. I 1803 01:48:03.960 --> 01:48:06.640 call it the syops singularity. I don't know what is 1804 01:48:06.640 --> 01:48:09.000 signal or noise anymore. But I wanted to just sort 1805 01:48:09.039 --> 01:48:10.800 of just back up a bit to what you had 1806 01:48:10.800 --> 01:48:13.920 said about, you know, these systems sort of discarding people. 1807 01:48:14.800 --> 01:48:19.039 I used to I mentioned this before we started the show. 1808 01:48:19.920 --> 01:48:24.680 My day job was I was a freelancer from Marvel 1809 01:48:25.119 --> 01:48:30.000 and for fifteen years from Marvel Studios. Now, I don't 1810 01:48:30.000 --> 01:48:35.640 know if you've heard about this, but Disney, who owns Marvel, 1811 01:48:36.079 --> 01:48:38.399 and that's a whole other story that we can maybe 1812 01:48:38.439 --> 01:48:42.760 talk about one day, just basically fired everybody. So all 1813 01:48:42.800 --> 01:48:46.319 the people who are making these movies, creating the concepts 1814 01:48:46.319 --> 01:48:49.479 for these movies, that were basically keeping the lights on 1815 01:48:49.560 --> 01:48:56.279 in Hollywood. I mean, Hollywood is rapidly imploding. We're just 1816 01:48:56.560 --> 01:49:01.000 unceremoniously let go. And where where's the loyalty? You know, 1817 01:49:01.039 --> 01:49:06.760 these these these great artists, these great visualizers, these great conceptualists, 1818 01:49:07.560 --> 01:49:15.479 who earned billions of dollars for this company. It's like, sorry, goodbye, 1819 01:49:16.000 --> 01:49:19.920 you know, no gold watch, You're done. I mean, I'm 1820 01:49:19.920 --> 01:49:22.880 sure a lot of them got good severance packages. But 1821 01:49:23.000 --> 01:49:28.600 I had been aware of this back in twenty twenty. Ironically, 1822 01:49:28.720 --> 01:49:32.920 you know, the last work I did for Marvel was 1823 01:49:33.039 --> 01:49:36.399 right before the whole COVID thing, you know, the shutdowns. 1824 01:49:36.439 --> 01:49:41.960 In March of twenty twenty. I just finished my last 1825 01:49:42.039 --> 01:49:47.159 job for Marvel just as that kicked in, and that 1826 01:49:47.319 --> 01:49:50.840 was for the Eternals movie. And that was the movie 1827 01:49:50.880 --> 01:49:52.439 that basically broke their backs. 1828 01:49:53.359 --> 01:49:55.479 You know, if you look, that was God awful. That 1829 01:49:55.520 --> 01:50:01.119 movie sucked, Yeah, which is amazing. I love that of 1830 01:50:01.159 --> 01:50:02.920 those comics, you know that. 1831 01:50:03.039 --> 01:50:05.119 It's it's It's funny though, because, like when I first 1832 01:50:05.119 --> 01:50:09.399 started with a Secret Son, one of the earliest sort 1833 01:50:09.479 --> 01:50:12.199 of mega threads that I had done on that blog 1834 01:50:12.399 --> 01:50:18.119 was about the comic book of the Eternals. And I 1835 01:50:18.159 --> 01:50:20.479 should have known better. You know, when I first heard 1836 01:50:20.520 --> 01:50:22.199 they were going to do the Eternals, I was like, 1837 01:50:22.199 --> 01:50:24.159 oh my god, this is great. And then of course 1838 01:50:24.159 --> 01:50:26.800 I realized this is modern day Hollywood when they can't 1839 01:50:27.039 --> 01:50:31.039 find their ass with both hands anymore. But I knew 1840 01:50:31.960 --> 01:50:35.079 six years ago that it was over, you know, because 1841 01:50:35.079 --> 01:50:37.079 I had that I had a different vantage point. Remember 1842 01:50:37.119 --> 01:50:40.399 that scene in Mothman Prophecies, or like, you know, see 1843 01:50:40.399 --> 01:50:42.800 that man up there cleaning the windows. You know, if 1844 01:50:42.840 --> 01:50:44.600 there's an accident down the street, he can see. It 1845 01:50:44.600 --> 01:50:46.800 doesn't make him gone, It just means he has a 1846 01:50:46.840 --> 01:50:49.720 different vantage point on what's going on. And a lot 1847 01:50:49.720 --> 01:50:51.239 of people are like, oh, you're crazy, you don't know 1848 01:50:51.279 --> 01:50:53.119 what you're talking about. Oh It's like, well, maybe I 1849 01:50:53.119 --> 01:50:55.279 do know what I talk about because I work for 1850 01:50:55.319 --> 01:50:58.039 this company for twenty five years. Maybe I have a 1851 01:50:58.039 --> 01:51:00.720 little bit more insight than you do, miss or random 1852 01:51:00.760 --> 01:51:05.079 blogger nowhere person. But anyhow, I mean I knew that 1853 01:51:05.119 --> 01:51:07.880 it was over, right, I knew that it was over 1854 01:51:07.960 --> 01:51:12.880 because I wasn't getting the call. You know, my phone 1855 01:51:12.920 --> 01:51:15.720 wasn't ringing. They weren't because there was no work to 1856 01:51:15.720 --> 01:51:18.479 be done because the Canarian. The coal mine for the 1857 01:51:18.520 --> 01:51:23.119 collapse of the Marvel Universe was the collapse of the 1858 01:51:23.159 --> 01:51:25.760 work I was doing, which is licensing and merchandising for 1859 01:51:25.800 --> 01:51:29.760 the films and so on. Because nobody wanted the toys anymore. No, no, 1860 01:51:30.000 --> 01:51:35.920 you know, kids did not want eternals toys. I mean 1861 01:51:35.960 --> 01:51:38.079 that you can still find them, like you know, these 1862 01:51:38.119 --> 01:51:43.520 clothes out stores and everything. But that was that's to me, 1863 01:51:44.159 --> 01:51:46.159 reminds me what Kay was talking about, because that's the 1864 01:51:46.159 --> 01:51:48.760 whole woke thing, and that was I don't know if 1865 01:51:48.760 --> 01:51:52.960 that's Aturnian or Tunian or whatever it is, but that 1866 01:51:53.119 --> 01:51:55.039 was very much like, you know, people wanted to jump 1867 01:51:55.039 --> 01:51:57.880 on this bandwagon. They didn't realize that the bandwagon was 1868 01:51:57.920 --> 01:51:59.960 headed for a cliff that they were all going to 1869 01:52:00.079 --> 01:52:03.319 go over, which you know is exactly what happens. So 1870 01:52:04.079 --> 01:52:07.319 I'm not exactly sure what the you know, the astrology 1871 01:52:07.359 --> 01:52:10.119 on that would be myself. But I saw it happened, 1872 01:52:10.359 --> 01:52:13.880 and it's exactly, you know, ties into what what Kayla 1873 01:52:14.199 --> 01:52:18.000 was saying before. So anyhow, and of course now they 1874 01:52:18.319 --> 01:52:20.960 you know, the same company Disney owns the X Files, 1875 01:52:21.439 --> 01:52:24.199 and they bought Fox and they're doing this whole reboote 1876 01:52:24.199 --> 01:52:30.359 that I know is just not gonna fly. People have 1877 01:52:30.439 --> 01:52:33.000 asked me about it. I'm just like, no, this this isn't. 1878 01:52:33.079 --> 01:52:37.199 This isn't. This is an exercise from the last regime, 1879 01:52:38.279 --> 01:52:43.479 the Bob Eiger regime. Hopefully they won't do too much 1880 01:52:43.560 --> 01:52:48.319 damage to the to the franchise, because I'd like people 1881 01:52:48.319 --> 01:52:55.319 will continue buying my book. 1882 01:52:55.439 --> 01:52:59.520 Well, there's kind of a narrative chronism with the mouse. 1883 01:52:59.640 --> 01:53:03.760 Just buy up all of these cultural you know, lexic vermin. 1884 01:53:04.560 --> 01:53:10.199 Just think about that, just vermin, the ver vermin consuming 1885 01:53:10.239 --> 01:53:10.920 all the cheese. 1886 01:53:11.119 --> 01:53:14.439 Right, it's you just talk, You just spoke headless as 1887 01:53:14.520 --> 01:53:15.279 language there. 1888 01:53:16.119 --> 01:53:16.479 What's that? 1889 01:53:16.560 --> 01:53:18.720 It's interesting as kind of Pluto in a way, like 1890 01:53:18.760 --> 01:53:22.119 Pluto and Aquarius, right, just kind of like I don't know, 1891 01:53:22.159 --> 01:53:23.720 when we think of Pluto, it is almost like the 1892 01:53:23.760 --> 01:53:26.600 blowing up of culture, right, So maybe that is something 1893 01:53:26.840 --> 01:53:29.159 because we don't need it anymore, Right, Like there's a 1894 01:53:29.199 --> 01:53:32.840 healthy point of recognizing, like we don't really need that anymore, 1895 01:53:32.880 --> 01:53:35.079 Like do we want this to be a part of 1896 01:53:35.119 --> 01:53:38.600 our culture? And maybe, like these people, you know, destroying 1897 01:53:38.640 --> 01:53:40.520 it is like giving an opportunity for new growth and 1898 01:53:40.600 --> 01:53:41.960 culture that we need or something. 1899 01:53:42.319 --> 01:53:46.239 I totally agree. I mean, I'm very much against all 1900 01:53:46.279 --> 01:53:49.399 these reboots and sequels and remakes and everything. It's like, 1901 01:53:51.119 --> 01:53:55.880 all these Star Trek belongs to the sixties. Star Wars 1902 01:53:55.880 --> 01:54:01.840 belongs to the seventies and eighties, right, Marvel belongs to 1903 01:54:01.920 --> 01:54:06.319 the sixties, seventies and eighties. These ideas, you can't just 1904 01:54:06.600 --> 01:54:08.800 rip them out of the time period in which they 1905 01:54:08.800 --> 01:54:15.000 were created and to the conditions and situations and realities 1906 01:54:15.000 --> 01:54:18.199 that they spoke to and just expect, you know, oh, 1907 01:54:18.239 --> 01:54:22.880 we'll give them a modern gloss and it'll be business 1908 01:54:22.880 --> 01:54:25.640 as usual. It doesn't work that way, you know, things, 1909 01:54:28.399 --> 01:54:33.119 mythology is not forever. This is something that I very 1910 01:54:33.119 --> 01:54:37.199 strongly believe is that myths are part of the worlds 1911 01:54:37.399 --> 01:54:42.560 in which they arise. Okay, now there are universal ideas 1912 01:54:42.600 --> 01:54:46.880 and concepts and impulses beneath those myths, But I'm talking 1913 01:54:46.920 --> 01:54:52.520 about the structure the outer shell of the myth is 1914 01:54:53.119 --> 01:54:58.880 created for particular people in particular times. Okay, they're not 1915 01:54:59.000 --> 01:55:04.119 just it's not like, you know, like a widget, you 1916 01:55:04.159 --> 01:55:07.800 can just change it out right, you can just put 1917 01:55:07.800 --> 01:55:10.279 a coat of paint on it and resell it. It 1918 01:55:10.279 --> 01:55:11.199 doesn't work that way. 1919 01:55:11.920 --> 01:55:15.279 It's it's it's the change of the AONs, which is 1920 01:55:15.319 --> 01:55:16.840 the term that I, you know, a lot of people 1921 01:55:16.960 --> 01:55:18.920 use and I really like to use. And Gin is 1922 01:55:19.319 --> 01:55:21.560 huge on this kind of movement as well. Is that 1923 01:55:21.600 --> 01:55:24.159 we're you know, you move through the aon of Osyrius 1924 01:55:24.159 --> 01:55:26.800 and the rising and the dying god. You know, aon 1925 01:55:26.840 --> 01:55:29.079 of Horus is breaking things. So I know that's very cruelly, 1926 01:55:29.079 --> 01:55:31.479 but there's more than that. You know, a on the 1927 01:55:31.560 --> 01:55:35.640 Daughter is some is Gin is so elegantly is trying 1928 01:55:35.680 --> 01:55:38.720 to put into the Happaborean mythos of things, and so 1929 01:55:39.079 --> 01:55:41.640 I think it's interesting. And I myself am trying to 1930 01:55:41.680 --> 01:55:45.640 push the aon of anime weebdom because I find that 1931 01:55:45.720 --> 01:55:49.960 the East and Japan, South Korea, China are the anime 1932 01:55:50.199 --> 01:55:53.239 that's the new modern myth. And even Jim Lee has 1933 01:55:53.239 --> 01:55:55.720 come out and said anime is crushing us, Manga is 1934 01:55:55.760 --> 01:55:58.359 crushing us right now because they're actually not being pushed 1935 01:55:58.359 --> 01:56:01.880 by a woke agenda. They're come up with new ideas 1936 01:56:01.880 --> 01:56:05.439 that are still hitting on old Shinto or old Japanese 1937 01:56:05.560 --> 01:56:08.960 or even old Western alchemical and all these different mythologies 1938 01:56:09.000 --> 01:56:10.479 of the West, but they're doing it in a new 1939 01:56:10.520 --> 01:56:13.279 way that's capturing the attention of the youth. And it 1940 01:56:13.520 --> 01:56:15.119 you know, and just you know, it tookt me wrong. 1941 01:56:15.159 --> 01:56:16.199 The first thing. A lot of people think of and 1942 01:56:16.279 --> 01:56:22.159 think of anime as that web style of you know, 1943 01:56:22.239 --> 01:56:24.079 all the more lewd things that you get. But there 1944 01:56:24.119 --> 01:56:29.119 are brilliant, beautiful changing of how to take a modern 1945 01:56:29.159 --> 01:56:33.760 individual who suffers and bring them into the wider scheme 1946 01:56:33.800 --> 01:56:37.520 of things so they can transcend their lower states and 1947 01:56:37.680 --> 01:56:41.760 reach higher divine states through suffering and that passion and 1948 01:56:41.920 --> 01:56:44.560 through trying to the old be Bushido code that I 1949 01:56:44.600 --> 01:56:47.760 will die daily and upon doing so, I will alchemize 1950 01:56:47.760 --> 01:56:51.359 myself and transcend my current state to be the highest 1951 01:56:51.399 --> 01:56:53.920 individual that I can and bring my friends along with me. 1952 01:56:54.439 --> 01:56:56.840 Well, that's what all heroic myths are supposed to be about, 1953 01:56:57.199 --> 01:57:00.359 supposed to be, you know, going back to the Greeks, 1954 01:57:01.760 --> 01:57:09.880 the self sacrificing individuals who suffer for the rest of us, 1955 01:57:11.439 --> 01:57:14.680 put themselves on the line, and that's that's the basis 1956 01:57:14.680 --> 01:57:20.479 of all heroic mythology. I think that we've lost that 1957 01:57:21.359 --> 01:57:27.479 in many, many important ways. And this whole mythology, you know, 1958 01:57:27.520 --> 01:57:32.079 where ninety five fifteen year old girls can beat up 1959 01:57:32.079 --> 01:57:37.760 a squad of I mean, but you know, I mean, 1960 01:57:39.039 --> 01:57:43.199 it's it's not based in reality. And I another thing 1961 01:57:43.239 --> 01:57:45.119 that I talk about all the time. People have probably 1962 01:57:45.159 --> 01:57:50.600 heard me say this is that I think CGI killed 1963 01:57:50.600 --> 01:57:54.880 the magic of the movies, right. I think that when 1964 01:57:54.880 --> 01:57:59.199 you look at CGI, no matter how beautiful it is, 1965 01:58:00.319 --> 01:58:04.680 there's something in your mind's eye that realizes that it 1966 01:58:05.119 --> 01:58:09.439 has no atomic reality. It's just pure electrons. Now, you 1967 01:58:09.520 --> 01:58:12.239 go back to the movies that I grew up on, right, 1968 01:58:12.720 --> 01:58:15.119 and some of the you see some of the like 1969 01:58:15.680 --> 01:58:18.000 in camera of puppet puppetry and all these kind of 1970 01:58:18.000 --> 01:58:20.479 effects and miniatures and everything. Some of it can seem 1971 01:58:20.680 --> 01:58:23.800 pretty laughable now. But you didn't. You didn't think that. 1972 01:58:23.880 --> 01:58:25.920 I mean, it used to be going to the movies 1973 01:58:26.039 --> 01:58:27.800 was like going to temple, you know, it was like 1974 01:58:27.840 --> 01:58:31.239 stepping into this temple of the mind, of the imagination. 1975 01:58:32.439 --> 01:58:37.159 And I think that CGI broke that packed with us. 1976 01:58:37.399 --> 01:58:40.960 You know. I remember seeing the first Blade Runner when 1977 01:58:40.960 --> 01:58:44.800 it came out. The weekend it came out, and I 1978 01:58:45.039 --> 01:58:50.840 was basically a religious experience for me. And all those 1979 01:58:50.920 --> 01:58:53.159 miniatures of the city and all the rest of it, 1980 01:58:53.199 --> 01:58:55.800 and the spaceships flying around and everything going on in 1981 01:58:55.800 --> 01:59:00.199 that movie. People might look at it now and think, well, yeah, 1982 01:59:00.199 --> 01:59:03.079 it's a little dated. I didn't think that. I was, 1983 01:59:03.119 --> 01:59:05.800 like I am in that reality like you would not believe, 1984 01:59:05.880 --> 01:59:09.479 you know, I'm sixteen years old. Actually no, it's still fifteen. 1985 01:59:10.000 --> 01:59:12.279 You know. My mind is still just totally pumped in 1986 01:59:12.319 --> 01:59:15.920 prime for this right to step into this other world. 1987 01:59:16.840 --> 01:59:20.640 And what was the other film? Oh this is good. 1988 01:59:21.079 --> 01:59:25.039 Nobody's heard of this movie. But when when me and 1989 01:59:25.079 --> 01:59:27.840 my friends were kids, we're all just total delinquents, and 1990 01:59:27.880 --> 01:59:30.079 we used to have this thing where like, let's get 1991 01:59:30.079 --> 01:59:32.600 as high as we can before we sneak into the movies. 1992 01:59:33.079 --> 01:59:35.159 And there was this movie that nobody's ever heard of. 1993 01:59:35.279 --> 01:59:36.960 You can probably look it up. It's called Rock and 1994 01:59:37.079 --> 01:59:44.000 Roll nineteen eighty three Don Bluth animation film. When I 1995 01:59:44.039 --> 01:59:46.239 went back and looked at it, it just looked ridiculous 1996 01:59:46.279 --> 01:59:52.039 to me. But my brain's in that state it was. 1997 01:59:52.319 --> 01:59:54.840 I was in it. I was in that world, you know, 1998 01:59:54.920 --> 01:59:58.199 I entered into that world and I can't remember, I 1999 01:59:58.199 --> 02:00:01.239 cannot remember the last time I had that experience at 2000 02:00:01.239 --> 02:00:04.239 the movements, And I think CGI has a lot to 2001 02:00:04.279 --> 02:00:11.479 do with that. You know, it doesn't, it doesn't capture 2002 02:00:11.520 --> 02:00:19.239 you because somewhere you know, it's it's unreal. So that's 2003 02:00:19.279 --> 02:00:20.760 sort of a I don't know if that has to 2004 02:00:20.760 --> 02:00:23.640 do with the X file. Well, I'll tell you exactly 2005 02:00:23.640 --> 02:00:24.760 what it has to do with the X Files. I 2006 02:00:25.000 --> 02:00:27.520 did not like the feature film, the first feature film 2007 02:00:27.560 --> 02:00:32.319 at all. It took. What made the X Files magic 2008 02:00:32.439 --> 02:00:35.039 was the intimacy of it. It was very intimate. You know, 2009 02:00:35.039 --> 02:00:37.600 it's this intimate relationship between this man and this woman 2010 02:00:39.760 --> 02:00:44.800 suffering and struggling in the dark, you know, out away 2011 02:00:44.800 --> 02:00:48.279 from the public eye. And when there's giant spaceships and 2012 02:00:48.600 --> 02:00:51.239 all and buildings blowing up and all the rest of it, 2013 02:00:51.319 --> 02:00:58.840 that broke that compact of intimacy. You know, I don't know, 2014 02:00:59.039 --> 02:01:01.880 I don't know how to explain it, you know, to 2015 02:01:01.920 --> 02:01:05.319 give you an effective metaphor for that, But it's it's, 2016 02:01:05.760 --> 02:01:08.239 you know, it's like when your favorite band becomes popular 2017 02:01:08.800 --> 02:01:12.359 because they change the style, right, they sell out. I 2018 02:01:12.439 --> 02:01:14.520 kind of felt like, you know, the X Files kind 2019 02:01:14.520 --> 02:01:16.640 of sold out for that movie. I mean, I love 2020 02:01:16.680 --> 02:01:19.840 the second movie, which everybody seems to hate. But that's 2021 02:01:19.880 --> 02:01:25.640 the whole other discussion. Anyhow, any other questions. 2022 02:01:25.359 --> 02:01:26.840 Yeah, I was just ask anybody I have any other 2023 02:01:26.920 --> 02:01:28.920 questions before we set the Rabbit up Earth two hours. 2024 02:01:30.159 --> 02:01:31.880 Well, I just want to say that I loved what 2025 02:01:32.039 --> 02:01:34.520 Kaiva said, and thank you Brandon for shouting out Anne 2026 02:01:34.520 --> 02:01:36.680 of the Daughter. Of course, that's like such a seminal 2027 02:01:36.840 --> 02:01:38.000 part of my whole project. 2028 02:01:39.079 --> 02:01:39.520 Thank you. 2029 02:01:40.000 --> 02:01:42.560 But you know, I think what Kaiva said about Pluto 2030 02:01:42.720 --> 02:01:44.960 was really on point, especially in regards to Anne of 2031 02:01:45.000 --> 02:01:49.239 the Daughter, because even though most people, most astrologers think 2032 02:01:49.239 --> 02:01:53.600 of Pluto as like just strictly a purely destructive force, 2033 02:01:53.680 --> 02:01:56.079 I think there's actually a lot of resolution of paradox 2034 02:01:56.119 --> 02:01:59.000 that happens, especially if you're comparing it to Uranus. It 2035 02:01:59.159 --> 02:02:02.199 kind of opens the opens the gate, you could say, 2036 02:02:02.239 --> 02:02:05.920 for a new paradigm rather than just destroys the old, 2037 02:02:05.960 --> 02:02:08.920 which is what both Pluto and Uranus can do. But 2038 02:02:09.000 --> 02:02:13.439 I think Pluto actually allows for a kind of recreation 2039 02:02:13.560 --> 02:02:16.359 of the not the past, not a return in like 2040 02:02:16.399 --> 02:02:20.279 an Evolian sense, but perhaps maybe something new, a progressive, 2041 02:02:20.279 --> 02:02:22.479 a on and not in the political sense, but just 2042 02:02:22.960 --> 02:02:26.159 something like a way to move forward with the movement 2043 02:02:26.159 --> 02:02:29.239 of the cosmos, or some sorrow rather than you know, 2044 02:02:29.760 --> 02:02:32.800 be referential to like a mythical as I call it. 2045 02:02:32.840 --> 02:02:33.920 Wee wi was King's past. 2046 02:02:35.640 --> 02:02:39.720 All of nature is renewed by fire, right, that's the 2047 02:02:39.800 --> 02:02:47.359 meaning of iron are nice? Let's a Roman saying. So 2048 02:02:48.079 --> 02:02:51.800 destruction is an important part of new creation, you know, 2049 02:02:52.279 --> 02:02:54.039 you have to clear away the old. And I think 2050 02:02:54.119 --> 02:02:58.359 that is why our culture is so dead, because we 2051 02:02:58.399 --> 02:03:00.600 won't like go of the X File, we won't let 2052 02:03:00.640 --> 02:03:02.760 go Star Trek, we won't let go of Star Wars. 2053 02:03:02.800 --> 02:03:05.119 We won't let go of Superman and Batman and the 2054 02:03:05.279 --> 02:03:09.520 X Men. You know, all these just archaic and you know, 2055 02:03:09.600 --> 02:03:14.520 anachronistic ideas from a completely different world, a completely different reality. 2056 02:03:15.000 --> 02:03:18.000 We can't let go of them, right, I mean, the 2057 02:03:18.159 --> 02:03:20.239 corporations can't let go of them because they don't have 2058 02:03:20.279 --> 02:03:23.119 anything new to replace them with. And then the fans 2059 02:03:23.199 --> 02:03:29.279 are so emotionally invested in these characters they have to die, 2060 02:03:29.640 --> 02:03:32.760 you know, they can't just be the walking dead forever. 2061 02:03:33.119 --> 02:03:37.159 You know, and again I'm totally against this whole of anybody, 2062 02:03:37.399 --> 02:03:40.000 anybody doing like a new X file series. It's like, no, 2063 02:03:40.159 --> 02:03:42.279 that belongs to the nineties. Let it go, leave it 2064 02:03:42.319 --> 02:03:45.680 in the past. Right. We have to have like new 2065 02:03:45.800 --> 02:03:48.720 stories to tell each other. If we just keep telling 2066 02:03:48.760 --> 02:03:52.119 each other the same stories, I mean, that's why things 2067 02:03:52.159 --> 02:04:01.119 are just so depressing and static. You know. I consider 2068 02:04:01.199 --> 02:04:05.159 myself incredibly blessed, you know, to be like this weirdo 2069 02:04:05.439 --> 02:04:09.600 kid who lived for pop culture when you know, in 2070 02:04:09.640 --> 02:04:13.399 the seventies and eighties, right when when things were new 2071 02:04:13.600 --> 02:04:16.640 and exciting all the time, and it was like new 2072 02:04:16.680 --> 02:04:18.720 ideas kind of you know, like I said, being fifteen 2073 02:04:18.800 --> 02:04:21.880 years old going to see Blade Runner, being ten years 2074 02:04:21.920 --> 02:04:24.159 old and going to see the first Star Wars movie. 2075 02:04:24.199 --> 02:04:29.600 It's just like you can't replicate that. It's like stuck 2076 02:04:29.760 --> 02:04:32.960 chasing that dragon. It really is. It really is an addiction, 2077 02:04:33.159 --> 02:04:35.880 you know, and it's like you'll you'll never equal that 2078 02:04:35.960 --> 02:04:39.640 first high, You'll never equal that first rush that you 2079 02:04:39.760 --> 02:04:44.840 got from seeing Star Wars or whatever film. I don't 2080 02:04:44.880 --> 02:04:48.399 know the answer to it, and I just unfortunately, I 2081 02:04:48.439 --> 02:04:52.800 think the economics of it don't pan out anymore. I mean, hope. 2082 02:04:52.920 --> 02:04:54.279 I mean, I know a lot of people are very 2083 02:04:54.319 --> 02:04:57.680 down on an AI, and I completely understand why. But 2084 02:04:58.439 --> 02:05:02.520 I think the only hope is is somebody in there, 2085 02:05:02.560 --> 02:05:08.680 some kid in their basement, you know, tapped into whatever 2086 02:05:08.800 --> 02:05:14.479 clod I don't even know whatever animation AI and having 2087 02:05:14.520 --> 02:05:18.399 something new to say. You know, that's that's the only 2088 02:05:18.439 --> 02:05:20.359 way out of this mess. We have to let all 2089 02:05:20.399 --> 02:05:24.479 these old stories die because they are smothering us, you know, 2090 02:05:25.000 --> 02:05:30.319 they're smothering us. It's to me, it does feel very Saturnian. 2091 02:05:30.680 --> 02:05:34.359 It is a very set you know, like Saturnian energy, 2092 02:05:34.479 --> 02:05:38.399 just like pinning you down in place right and just 2093 02:05:38.439 --> 02:05:41.960 sort of smacking you around. We have to let go 2094 02:05:42.039 --> 02:05:46.439 of that. We need we need fresh ideas and fresh energies, 2095 02:05:48.000 --> 02:05:50.159 and we certainly need them more in more than just 2096 02:05:50.199 --> 02:05:53.279 pop culture, you know, we need them in our governments 2097 02:05:53.479 --> 02:05:57.720 and our institutions and our economics and all the rest 2098 02:05:57.720 --> 02:05:59.800 of it. We need like truly new ideas, you know, 2099 02:05:59.840 --> 02:06:03.399 like socialism is a not a new idea. It's actually 2100 02:06:03.720 --> 02:06:07.079 a very very ancient idea, you know. I mean ancient 2101 02:06:07.119 --> 02:06:10.319 sumer was actually a communist state, you know, it was 2102 02:06:10.359 --> 02:06:14.680 a communist theocracy. Those aren't new ideas we need, like 2103 02:06:14.760 --> 02:06:16.680 real new ideas and fresh thinking. 2104 02:06:18.840 --> 02:06:21.319 Well, that's a nice about Uranus and Gemini coming up 2105 02:06:21.399 --> 02:06:25.640 next not this Saturday, but next Saturday, Uriness moves into Gemini. 2106 02:06:25.760 --> 02:06:28.840 I mean, because Gemini is also economics. It's the marketplace, right, 2107 02:06:28.880 --> 02:06:33.439 so Gemini is the marketplace exchanging of ideas. So we 2108 02:06:33.520 --> 02:06:35.800 can probably see like all those things are describing is 2109 02:06:35.800 --> 02:06:37.119 like that's a fun thing about astrology. 2110 02:06:37.119 --> 02:06:38.520 It's like we all crave. 2111 02:06:38.319 --> 02:06:41.359 It and then it comes because it's like, you know, 2112 02:06:41.399 --> 02:06:42.239 that's the process. 2113 02:06:42.359 --> 02:06:44.079 So it'll be interesting to see what happens over the 2114 02:06:44.079 --> 02:06:44.560 eight years. 2115 02:06:44.720 --> 02:06:47.479 There are also the gates to Heaven, right, you know, 2116 02:06:47.680 --> 02:06:52.720 Boaz and Jack and Gemini. It's at the crossroads of 2117 02:06:54.279 --> 02:06:59.479 the ecliptic and the celestial plane, right, and that's you know, 2118 02:06:59.520 --> 02:07:05.760 you enter in through Gemini, you know, Ariga sending Ariga Perseus, 2119 02:07:05.880 --> 02:07:10.039 you know, up to to Heaven, up to Cepheus. Right, 2120 02:07:10.880 --> 02:07:13.680 and that we can maybe do a show on this, 2121 02:07:14.199 --> 02:07:17.199 you know, my interpretation of what the whole nine eleven 2122 02:07:17.239 --> 02:07:18.560 Mega ritual is really about. 2123 02:07:19.800 --> 02:07:22.960 But uh yeah, yeah. 2124 02:07:23.079 --> 02:07:29.880 I'll have to in on that because it's all celestial. 2125 02:07:30.039 --> 02:07:32.960 It all has to do with the watchers. That's another 2126 02:07:32.960 --> 02:07:35.520 thing that I've talked quite a lot about, watcher cults, 2127 02:07:35.960 --> 02:07:38.640 fallen angels, restoring the fallen angels to heaven, and so 2128 02:07:38.680 --> 02:07:41.920 on and so forth. So uh, but Gemini is the gateway. 2129 02:07:41.960 --> 02:07:47.279 I mean, it's it's you. You ascend up the celestial plane, 2130 02:07:47.840 --> 02:07:52.079 you know, like I said, through Ariga and Perseus and 2131 02:07:53.520 --> 02:07:57.399 Cassiopia Andromeda and Vegasist and so on and so forth. 2132 02:07:58.119 --> 02:08:03.039 But then you're you're at Sepias. But that becomes the 2133 02:08:03.079 --> 02:08:09.119 war in heaven between Draco and Sepias. Right, Oh, don't 2134 02:08:09.159 --> 02:08:11.560 get me strong on that. We'll never get out of here. 2135 02:08:14.359 --> 02:08:16.039 Thank you very much for coming on. Man, that was 2136 02:08:16.079 --> 02:08:18.000 like an awesome discussion. There's a lot deeper than I 2137 02:08:18.600 --> 02:08:22.479 to go. Hell, yeah, no, that was great stuff. Before 2138 02:08:22.520 --> 02:08:25.079 we let you plug everything that you got, we'll have 2139 02:08:25.079 --> 02:08:27.439 everybody else. Just remind everybody we can find all their 2140 02:08:27.439 --> 02:08:30.560 amazing work. Kaiva, Please let everybody know what they can 2141 02:08:30.600 --> 02:08:31.680 find your stuff one more time. 2142 02:08:32.399 --> 02:08:35.640 Yes, this is a lovely conversation. You can find me 2143 02:08:35.680 --> 02:08:38.119 at eleven Kaiba Rose thirty three dot com. You can 2144 02:08:38.159 --> 02:08:41.119 also find me at Kaiva Rose, Instagram, Facebook, and YouTube. 2145 02:08:41.399 --> 02:08:44.039 And I also have new ideas because I have my books. 2146 02:08:44.239 --> 02:08:47.159 So I'm an young adult author. So Rue Odyssey is 2147 02:08:47.199 --> 02:08:50.600 my fantasy series, and it's mystical. 2148 02:08:50.159 --> 02:08:51.680 It's magical, it's steampunk. 2149 02:08:51.760 --> 02:08:55.039 It has ancient wisdom thrown in there as well, so 2150 02:08:55.119 --> 02:08:56.479 it's fantastic and fun. 2151 02:08:56.479 --> 02:08:58.119 And there's part one and two and I'm writing part 2152 02:08:58.159 --> 02:09:01.439 three right now. So yes, thanks for this wonderful conversation. 2153 02:09:01.920 --> 02:09:05.000 Thank you for making it. Appreciate it. And Headler's Giant, 2154 02:09:05.079 --> 02:09:06.199 my man, what is going on? Sir? 2155 02:09:07.239 --> 02:09:07.760 Hi you doing? 2156 02:09:07.800 --> 02:09:11.600 You can find me on Twitter, on Instagram, on YouTube 2157 02:09:11.640 --> 02:09:14.960 at the Headless Giant, and also on Rumble, So go 2158 02:09:15.239 --> 02:09:17.600 subscribe over to Rumble if you haven't yet, I need 2159 02:09:17.640 --> 02:09:19.279 to get those numbers up and. 2160 02:09:19.560 --> 02:09:20.159 Check me out. 2161 02:09:20.199 --> 02:09:22.960 On Sunday morning at ten thirty Central, We're going to 2162 02:09:22.960 --> 02:09:27.239 be doing a live trialogue with Ethan Indigo Ricardo Calvario 2163 02:09:27.319 --> 02:09:31.079 and I'm going to be down there. You're, you know, Madison, 2164 02:09:31.119 --> 02:09:33.439 Wisconsin doing a live with Ricardo. 2165 02:09:33.600 --> 02:09:34.800 So it's going to be awesome. 2166 02:09:35.319 --> 02:09:38.760 Check it out, very good, very good. And Jim the Ninja, 2167 02:09:38.760 --> 02:09:39.600 what is going on, sir? 2168 02:09:41.359 --> 02:09:42.039 What is up us? 2169 02:09:42.199 --> 02:09:44.359 Thank you so much for having me on. Thank you, Chris, 2170 02:09:44.399 --> 02:09:46.439 it was great to speak to you again after that, 2171 02:09:46.560 --> 02:09:48.039 I think it's been like a year and a half 2172 02:09:48.079 --> 02:09:51.479 to two years, so honestly, it was really like very 2173 02:09:51.560 --> 02:09:54.039 it was very cool and I appreciate it, and of 2174 02:09:54.039 --> 02:09:57.720 course too Kaiva, and I'm looking forward to our conversation 2175 02:09:57.960 --> 02:09:59.960 in the future and hopefully we'll talk about your books 2176 02:10:00.079 --> 02:10:04.279 as well. And of course Brandon Lee my brother, my 2177 02:10:04.319 --> 02:10:07.640 brother from Mercury. On Monday nights, we have been doing 2178 02:10:07.680 --> 02:10:10.119 this gonzo radio thing. You can also check me out 2179 02:10:10.159 --> 02:10:12.199 of Threshold Saints and the Gray Lodge, which is our 2180 02:10:12.199 --> 02:10:17.800 group show all speculative Cabala, speculative Cali Chakra and speculative Narcissism, 2181 02:10:18.000 --> 02:10:20.560 so we do Friday night Nastic Mass. 2182 02:10:20.800 --> 02:10:22.000 And then also. 2183 02:10:23.479 --> 02:10:25.600 Yeah, follow me on Twitter at wu Conreborn, w uk 2184 02:10:25.680 --> 02:10:27.560 O and g Reborn that's my big account, but you 2185 02:10:27.600 --> 02:10:30.000 can also follow the show on I G and x 2186 02:10:30.079 --> 02:10:33.640 Twitter at Threshold Saints. So thank you guys so much. 2187 02:10:33.760 --> 02:10:36.439 It was I don't know that I have seen a 2188 02:10:36.439 --> 02:10:38.399 lot of X files, but I honestly don't remember. 2189 02:10:38.760 --> 02:10:41.680 But what I found interesting was really the sort of 2190 02:10:41.720 --> 02:10:44.279 depth and contours of this conversation. 2191 02:10:44.399 --> 02:10:46.319 So thank you guys. Appreciate it well. 2192 02:10:46.359 --> 02:10:51.520 My book is available on Kindle too if you don't 2193 02:10:51.520 --> 02:10:54.600 want to take the plunge for the well, the full 2194 02:10:54.720 --> 02:10:59.760 ride again, it's it's going to show up backwards. But 2195 02:11:00.119 --> 02:11:03.880 xf Ultra, the X files, conspiracy culture in the National 2196 02:11:03.920 --> 02:11:09.399 Security State, and it's everything that we've discussed and so 2197 02:11:09.399 --> 02:11:10.199 so much more. 2198 02:11:10.560 --> 02:11:12.760 Oh yeah, it's actually going to uh. 2199 02:11:13.640 --> 02:11:18.359 You know, the mechanics and the history of the National 2200 02:11:18.399 --> 02:11:23.640 security state, post war human experimentation, and also the whole 2201 02:11:23.760 --> 02:11:29.640 UFO situation as well, which is seems to be perpetual 2202 02:11:29.720 --> 02:11:33.560 these days where we're looking down the barrel of disclosure 2203 02:11:33.680 --> 02:11:34.600 day coming out. 2204 02:11:35.199 --> 02:11:38.600 Oh yeah, so it's going to say this all. 2205 02:11:39.920 --> 02:11:42.800 It seems to me like it's I call it close 2206 02:11:42.840 --> 02:11:45.680 and counts of the third kind with major depressive disorder. 2207 02:11:49.520 --> 02:11:49.920 I like that. 2208 02:11:50.600 --> 02:11:53.159 And Brandon, let everybody know what's up with you man. 2209 02:11:53.279 --> 02:11:56.760 Please, thank you, thank you. Nick is always always proud 2210 02:11:56.800 --> 02:11:59.359 to be a reject of the occult, a reject of 2211 02:11:59.399 --> 02:12:03.479 the rejects. Can't even help it. This is how it goes. Chris, 2212 02:12:03.600 --> 02:12:05.680 this was fantastic. I've been wanting to talk to you 2213 02:12:05.720 --> 02:12:08.000 for a very long time. Obviously, I'm gonna ask you 2214 02:12:08.399 --> 02:12:11.000 please come on my show. I would love to interview 2215 02:12:11.159 --> 02:12:13.680 you and put all your work out there for everyone 2216 02:12:13.720 --> 02:12:15.439 to see. So I would love that. 2217 02:12:15.640 --> 02:12:16.239 Let's do it. 2218 02:12:16.439 --> 02:12:19.920 Let's do it. Beautiful, awesome. Everyone. Head over to megas 2219 02:12:20.000 --> 02:12:22.199 in the Media on YouTube, subscribe, like and share. I 2220 02:12:22.199 --> 02:12:24.640 got merch dropping, It's on the web, it's on It's 2221 02:12:24.680 --> 02:12:27.000 out there. Do you want this logo? Do you want 2222 02:12:27.000 --> 02:12:29.439 to wear it on all your garb? I know you do. 2223 02:12:29.720 --> 02:12:32.359 Head over to megas in the Media, check me out 2224 02:12:32.439 --> 02:12:35.680 on x Instagram and the like. Jin the Ninja and 2225 02:12:35.760 --> 02:12:39.159 Me on Monday evenings. It's been fantastic for some reason. 2226 02:12:39.199 --> 02:12:40.640 If you want to listen to us for two to 2227 02:12:40.720 --> 02:12:43.600 three hours jabber on about certain topics, that's what we do. 2228 02:12:44.000 --> 02:12:46.600 Ethan Indogo and I just did a show. We're both 2229 02:12:46.640 --> 02:12:49.359 tai Chi martial art practitioneers. We did one part one, 2230 02:12:49.359 --> 02:12:51.560 We're gonna do part two next week, and then we're 2231 02:12:51.560 --> 02:12:54.239 gonna talk about the Dow the following week, most likely 2232 02:12:55.000 --> 02:12:57.520 coming up on my show. I have dropping a Sarah 2233 02:12:57.640 --> 02:13:02.119 Jane's Dream Mysteries that I just did. We went deep 2234 02:13:02.199 --> 02:13:05.600 for a few hours. It was fantastic. The Great Gordon 2235 02:13:05.640 --> 02:13:07.680 White is coming on at the end of the month, 2236 02:13:07.760 --> 02:13:10.439 which I'm really excited to chat with him because I 2237 02:13:10.600 --> 02:13:12.960 like you, Chris, like Greg. I've been listening to you 2238 02:13:12.960 --> 02:13:16.159 guys for years and it's kind of like talking to 2239 02:13:16.199 --> 02:13:18.920 the people that have helped also, not just mold, but 2240 02:13:19.399 --> 02:13:21.720 people that I'm like, oh my god, other people think 2241 02:13:21.760 --> 02:13:26.079 like I do. Thank fucking heavens. As well. As there's 2242 02:13:26.119 --> 02:13:29.399 a book it's called Black Pilgrimage David Beth he's the publisher. 2243 02:13:29.720 --> 02:13:33.800 He owns the publishing company fone Press. He's coming on 2244 02:13:33.920 --> 02:13:37.039 and I'm going to be dropping that that book is fantastic. 2245 02:13:38.000 --> 02:13:40.039 So yeah, everyone just head on over there. That's my 2246 02:13:40.119 --> 02:13:43.159 shtick again. Thank you Chris, thank you Nick, and again 2247 02:13:43.439 --> 02:13:46.239 everyone out there subscribe. I can share to all of 2248 02:13:46.279 --> 02:13:49.760 these people. Head over to Kiverros eleven thirty three. She's 2249 02:13:49.800 --> 02:13:52.520 the best astrologer out there. Book yourself with her if 2250 02:13:52.560 --> 02:13:55.560 you want to figure out how your life works in 2251 02:13:55.600 --> 02:13:58.479 the Grand majesty of this celestial. 2252 02:13:59.279 --> 02:14:03.680 Thank you very much. And Chris, please remind everybody where 2253 02:14:03.680 --> 02:14:05.680 you can find all your great stuff and all your 2254 02:14:05.720 --> 02:14:06.159 social media. 2255 02:14:06.159 --> 02:14:10.359 Okay, secretsun dot blogspot dot com is the old war Horse, 2256 02:14:11.960 --> 02:14:16.840 then the the Secret Sun substack dot com. I'm going 2257 02:14:16.920 --> 02:14:21.359 to be changing the address for that soon to secretsun 2258 02:14:21.439 --> 02:14:24.920 dot blog for now. You can find it at thesecretsun 2259 02:14:25.000 --> 02:14:27.159 dot blog. I mean, I've been around, I've been on 2260 02:14:27.199 --> 02:14:29.319 the internet forever, so I'm pretty easy to find. 2261 02:14:29.520 --> 02:14:31.000 Yeah, even if you just put his name in hip 2262 02:14:31.039 --> 02:14:31.600 will pop up. 2263 02:14:32.239 --> 02:14:36.560 Yeah, and look forward to uh interacting with the folks 2264 02:14:36.560 --> 02:14:37.119 out there. 2265 02:14:37.760 --> 02:14:39.479 Well, thank you very much, man. This is really an 2266 02:14:39.479 --> 02:14:42.239 awesome episode. I really had a great talk and like 2267 02:14:42.279 --> 02:14:44.560 I said, one and the other directions, I didn't expect it. 2268 02:14:44.640 --> 02:14:47.399 I thought it was awesome. Really love to get you 2269 02:14:47.439 --> 02:14:50.359 on again and finally happy we finally did. It's been 2270 02:14:50.399 --> 02:14:52.199 a while I've wanted to get you on the show, so. 2271 02:14:52.359 --> 02:14:57.199 Well, let's pencil in a September appearance. Yeah, nine to. 2272 02:14:57.159 --> 02:15:01.479 Eleven, definitely, definitely, definitely down for that. The twenty fifth year, 2273 02:15:01.680 --> 02:15:04.520 Sooth annivers. 2274 02:15:04.279 --> 02:15:09.239 Your twenty fifth anniversary, and I'll walk everyone through because 2275 02:15:10.640 --> 02:15:17.039 once you see the correspondences, you'll realize that something much 2276 02:15:17.159 --> 02:15:21.399 different than you've been told by anyone. What's going on 2277 02:15:21.479 --> 02:15:21.880 that day? 2278 02:15:22.039 --> 02:15:25.199 Oh, very interested, very interesting. Thank you very much, Chris. 2279 02:15:25.800 --> 02:15:26.000 Uh. 2280 02:15:26.119 --> 02:15:28.479 Yeah again, thank you everybody for making the show too, 2281 02:15:28.520 --> 02:15:30.600 and everybody in the chat. How warld that is what's up? 2282 02:15:30.600 --> 02:15:30.720 Man? 2283 02:15:30.800 --> 02:15:33.600 Thank you very much and that's what we go live. 2284 02:15:33.840 --> 02:15:37.000 And until the next one, everybody be well later.