WEBVTT 1 00:00:02.960 --> 00:00:09.400 Big Food and Beyond with Cliff and Bobo. These guys, 2 00:00:09.400 --> 00:00:13.160 are you fav It's so like saying subscribe and rade it. 3 00:00:13.400 --> 00:00:16.199 I'm stuck and me. 4 00:00:17.920 --> 00:00:23.600 The greatest go on yesterday and listening watching him always 5 00:00:23.760 --> 00:00:25.320 keep it's watching. 6 00:00:26.640 --> 00:00:30.440 And now you're hosts Cliff Barrickman and James Bubo Fay. 7 00:00:31.079 --> 00:00:32.200 Hey Bobs, how you doing today? 8 00:00:32.240 --> 00:00:34.520 Man? I'm just excited about the guests we got coming 9 00:00:34.600 --> 00:00:35.159 on to day. 10 00:00:35.600 --> 00:00:37.039 I know this is gonna be a good one. This 11 00:00:37.320 --> 00:00:39.799 because this is this guy. Man. I've had the pleasure 12 00:00:39.840 --> 00:00:43.039 of meeting Chester several times now. I don't know, I 13 00:00:43.079 --> 00:00:44.640 don't think I know him well enough. We haven't interacted 14 00:00:44.719 --> 00:00:46.799 enough to say like we're friends when we hang out, 15 00:00:46.880 --> 00:00:48.960 but like, he's great. I love the guy. Every time 16 00:00:49.000 --> 00:00:50.640 I talk to him, I learned some cool stuff. But 17 00:00:50.679 --> 00:00:53.520 the thing here with me which makes me excited about 18 00:00:53.520 --> 00:00:57.280 having Chester on is that I've heard about Chester for 19 00:00:57.520 --> 00:01:01.240 years and years and years and years long before I 20 00:01:01.280 --> 00:01:03.399 met him. You know, he is kind of this this 21 00:01:03.560 --> 00:01:07.439 like this mainstay in cryptozoology in general, and it is 22 00:01:07.519 --> 00:01:09.560 absolutely a pleasure to be able to have him on. Finally, 23 00:01:09.560 --> 00:01:11.280 I don't know why we didn't think of it this sooner. Honestly, 24 00:01:11.920 --> 00:01:12.599 he's a naturalist. 25 00:01:12.599 --> 00:01:15.359 I mean he wrote for like hunting magazines, outdoor magazines. 26 00:01:15.359 --> 00:01:18.120 He's like a real naturalist. He knows what he's talking about, 27 00:01:18.200 --> 00:01:20.200 Like he really knows how it avery down in Texas. 28 00:01:19.879 --> 00:01:23.120 Where he's from. I mean, yeah, he's good dudes. 29 00:01:23.439 --> 00:01:27.400 Smart, he's you know, he's got good ethics, good morals 30 00:01:27.400 --> 00:01:30.640 and smart you know, just so he knows what he's doing, 31 00:01:30.719 --> 00:01:33.239 he knows what he's looking at, and he can explain it. 32 00:01:33.519 --> 00:01:33.719 Yeah. 33 00:01:33.840 --> 00:01:35.599 So with that, I think we should just bring him on. Man, 34 00:01:35.719 --> 00:01:39.400 ladies and gentlemen, meet Chester more longtime cryptosologists and all 35 00:01:39.439 --> 00:01:43.319 around rad dude finally making his appearance on Bigfoot and Beyond. Chester, 36 00:01:43.400 --> 00:01:45.159 Thanks so much for coming on the show with us. 37 00:01:45.560 --> 00:01:49.799 Greetings from the mosquito infested swamps of southeast Texas. It's 38 00:01:49.799 --> 00:01:53.079 an honor and privilege and beyond with you guys, all right, you. 39 00:01:53.120 --> 00:01:55.359 Know, honor and privilege is all ours, my friend. Thank 40 00:01:55.400 --> 00:01:57.359 you so much for making some time for us, And. 41 00:01:57.319 --> 00:01:59.079 I'd be fun to talk with you guys much less 42 00:01:59.079 --> 00:02:01.120 get out there and you know, be able to communicate 43 00:02:01.159 --> 00:02:03.000 with the people listening to the program and all of 44 00:02:03.000 --> 00:02:06.519 our shared collective love all things wild and mysterious. 45 00:02:07.040 --> 00:02:08.919 Yeah, absolutely, so. 46 00:02:09.000 --> 00:02:09.159 Yeah. 47 00:02:09.159 --> 00:02:12.800 I mean you you are like this renaissance man of 48 00:02:13.240 --> 00:02:16.319 cryptozoology because you know, there's a few other people in 49 00:02:17.159 --> 00:02:19.199 the field that kind of represent what you do, but 50 00:02:19.280 --> 00:02:21.240 in a different way. Like I'd say Lauren Coleman is 51 00:02:21.280 --> 00:02:24.439 probably up there because he has such a huge, varied 52 00:02:24.479 --> 00:02:27.560 interest in various critters all over the world. You know, 53 00:02:27.639 --> 00:02:32.360 Ken Gerhart comes to mind because he's a generalist Texas. Yeah, exactly. 54 00:02:32.520 --> 00:02:34.360 And you are one of these because you have your 55 00:02:34.400 --> 00:02:37.400 fingers in everything pretty much. I mean, Bigfoot is just 56 00:02:37.479 --> 00:02:39.719 one little sliver of the pie that you serve yourself 57 00:02:39.759 --> 00:02:42.840 every single day. Is there anything that you're not interested in? 58 00:02:44.199 --> 00:02:47.280 I don't know, man, you know, it's just I love nature. 59 00:02:47.639 --> 00:02:49.439 I mean I think I came out of the womb 60 00:02:49.680 --> 00:02:53.439 nature fanatic, grew up hunting and fishing and learning about 61 00:02:53.479 --> 00:02:56.280 conservation and watching what mutual O'maha's Wild. 62 00:02:56.080 --> 00:02:57.840 Kingdom is Jacques Cousta Specials. 63 00:02:57.840 --> 00:03:02.120 And you know, at that time, the Patterson Gimlin stuff 64 00:03:02.240 --> 00:03:06.439 was everywhere in the seventies on shows, and saw our 65 00:03:06.560 --> 00:03:09.159 Argacy magazine, and then I saw the legend of Boggie 66 00:03:09.159 --> 00:03:12.000 Creek when I was six, and that kind of just 67 00:03:12.039 --> 00:03:14.599 set the idea that there are mysteries in nature. And then, 68 00:03:14.639 --> 00:03:16.639 of course, growing up in the South, you can't help 69 00:03:16.680 --> 00:03:19.960 but hear about black panthers and giant catfish below dams 70 00:03:20.000 --> 00:03:23.520 and all kinds of stuff, and pursuing a wildlife journalism 71 00:03:23.599 --> 00:03:25.280 career which I've been blessed to be doing since I 72 00:03:25.319 --> 00:03:29.599 was nineteen, writing about you know, quote unquote mainstream wildlife stuff. 73 00:03:30.960 --> 00:03:32.879 To me, like looking into the mysteries was just a 74 00:03:32.960 --> 00:03:36.439 natural thing because you go to a hunting camp, these 75 00:03:36.479 --> 00:03:40.360 topics pop up and it's just a natural extension what 76 00:03:40.479 --> 00:03:42.680 I do. And I'm so dang curious, guys. 77 00:03:43.680 --> 00:03:46.280 I think that's one of the commonalities of all bigfooters 78 00:03:46.280 --> 00:03:48.439 for the most part, is that we have this undying 79 00:03:48.599 --> 00:03:53.360 curiosity about this thing, you know, and sometimes it's focused 80 00:03:53.400 --> 00:03:56.680 on one animal. Sometimes it's like you you're a generalist 81 00:03:56.840 --> 00:03:59.879 all sorts of unknown mysteries, because to engage in nature 82 00:04:00.120 --> 00:04:03.199 is really literally to engage in the mystery. 83 00:04:03.120 --> 00:04:03.960 No doubt about it. 84 00:04:04.240 --> 00:04:07.039 So do you remember your first cryptid hunt? So to speak? 85 00:04:07.080 --> 00:04:09.039 I know, I know that I don't want to only 86 00:04:09.039 --> 00:04:11.599 focus on cryptids in this conversation of course, but you know, 87 00:04:11.639 --> 00:04:13.919 our audience is largely bigfooters and all that sort of stuff, 88 00:04:13.919 --> 00:04:17.600 so we'll start there. Yeah, there's lots of normal animals around, 89 00:04:17.600 --> 00:04:19.399 but like, and I'm sure a lot of these other 90 00:04:19.399 --> 00:04:21.639 cryptids are normal animals as well. But do you remember 91 00:04:21.680 --> 00:04:25.560 the first time that you took a cryptid seriously enough 92 00:04:25.600 --> 00:04:28.759 to actually mount some sort of expedition. It doesn't have 93 00:04:28.759 --> 00:04:31.120 to be professional level or anything to go look for 94 00:04:31.160 --> 00:04:33.399 evidence or perhaps sighting of those animals. 95 00:04:34.120 --> 00:04:37.199 Yeah, I mean, it's something that's been proven to sort 96 00:04:37.240 --> 00:04:39.120 of be back out in the wild, and that is 97 00:04:39.160 --> 00:04:42.519 the red wolf here in southeast Texas and southwest Louisiana, 98 00:04:42.920 --> 00:04:45.279 to cleared extinct in the wild in nineteen eighty only 99 00:04:45.319 --> 00:04:48.360 lived in zoos in a little population they restocked from 100 00:04:48.879 --> 00:04:51.519 fourteen animals they captured over in like North Carolina. 101 00:04:52.120 --> 00:04:53.680 But people kept seeing them. 102 00:04:54.000 --> 00:04:57.720 And my first ever published story was an investigation I 103 00:04:57.720 --> 00:04:59.560 did of a red wolf siding. 104 00:05:00.759 --> 00:05:02.240 And I saw myself. 105 00:05:02.399 --> 00:05:05.319 I saw, and I wrote Texas Parks and Wildlife when 106 00:05:05.360 --> 00:05:08.120 I was a junior in high school about this sighting, 107 00:05:08.120 --> 00:05:10.879 and a very kind biologist normally they blow you off 108 00:05:10.920 --> 00:05:13.759 about stuff like that people but said there are probably 109 00:05:13.800 --> 00:05:16.240 animals still with some red wolf DNA. The problem was 110 00:05:16.279 --> 00:05:19.959 hybridizing with coyotes. And the first thing I ever did 111 00:05:20.000 --> 00:05:21.920 like that was red wolves. And then I got to 112 00:05:21.959 --> 00:05:24.800 break the story in twenty eighteen when they found there 113 00:05:24.839 --> 00:05:27.040 was red wolf DNA still existing here. So that was 114 00:05:27.079 --> 00:05:28.639 like coming full circle on that one. 115 00:05:28.879 --> 00:05:30.920 We heard the red wolves when we were in Louisiana. 116 00:05:31.240 --> 00:05:32.319 That's what they told us they were. 117 00:05:32.879 --> 00:05:34.399 They're definitely still wolf. 118 00:05:34.600 --> 00:05:37.160 The funny thing is they call them now, some of 119 00:05:37.160 --> 00:05:42.000 the biologists call them non coyote canids. And I remember 120 00:05:42.160 --> 00:05:43.920 running a picture of when I got on a trail 121 00:05:43.959 --> 00:05:46.319 cam in a newspaper when I wrote for newspapers and 122 00:05:46.720 --> 00:05:49.480 running and they said, oh, it's a biologist's emails that 123 00:05:49.600 --> 00:05:52.519 possibly there's no way that's a red wolf. It's got 124 00:05:52.560 --> 00:05:54.639 to be a coyote because it has coyote blood in it. 125 00:05:54.720 --> 00:05:57.319 And my reply was, if it can't be a red 126 00:05:57.360 --> 00:05:59.560 wolf because it has coyote blood, how could it be 127 00:05:59.600 --> 00:06:00.000 a coyode? 128 00:06:00.000 --> 00:06:01.160 He has red wolf blood. 129 00:06:02.319 --> 00:06:04.560 And that's kind of the struggle you always have with 130 00:06:04.639 --> 00:06:06.319 some of the official while well, that was the first 131 00:06:06.319 --> 00:06:09.079 thing that would be on the mysterious side of that, 132 00:06:09.519 --> 00:06:15.120 and then like in nineteen ninety nine, my cousins had 133 00:06:15.120 --> 00:06:17.759 an encounter with something they thought was a mountain lion 134 00:06:18.079 --> 00:06:21.240 in East Texas, giving this crazy vocalization and scared him 135 00:06:21.240 --> 00:06:23.879 to death. And I went out in the woods with them, 136 00:06:23.920 --> 00:06:25.839 and that was probably the first thing that I could 137 00:06:25.879 --> 00:06:27.199 do to be tied into Bigfoot. 138 00:06:27.560 --> 00:06:28.920 How So, so. 139 00:06:30.279 --> 00:06:32.759 I go out there with him the next night, and 140 00:06:32.800 --> 00:06:35.000 my one cousin's, you know, like a live wire man. 141 00:06:35.079 --> 00:06:36.720 He's always you know, he's real keyed up, and the 142 00:06:36.720 --> 00:06:37.560 other guys. 143 00:06:37.399 --> 00:06:39.680 Very calm, and the calm one. 144 00:06:40.160 --> 00:06:42.120 I shine this light down in this creek bottom and 145 00:06:42.120 --> 00:06:44.040 I'm about to say I think there's a deer down there. 146 00:06:44.079 --> 00:06:46.480 I saw like eyes shining. And he just takes a 147 00:06:46.560 --> 00:06:48.720 Ruger ten twenty two of the thirty round clip and 148 00:06:49.199 --> 00:06:51.360 just fires it, and he's going crazy, and I'm like, dude, 149 00:06:51.399 --> 00:06:54.240 what are you doing. He goes after what we heard 150 00:06:54.360 --> 00:06:57.519 last night, I know, a human's eyes don't glow. Everything 151 00:06:57.519 --> 00:07:00.240 else is getting shot and I'm like, he had all 152 00:07:00.439 --> 00:07:02.560 encounter with something, and then did. 153 00:07:02.600 --> 00:07:04.439 I don't make any noise he shot out? Did he 154 00:07:04.480 --> 00:07:05.000 hit anything? 155 00:07:05.600 --> 00:07:07.920 He was just going crazy. It was like his Ramble moment. 156 00:07:07.959 --> 00:07:10.600 He was genuinely freaked out because of the vocalization. But 157 00:07:11.319 --> 00:07:12.399 dial this back to me. 158 00:07:12.639 --> 00:07:14.079 That was nineteen ninety nine. 159 00:07:14.120 --> 00:07:16.759 Let's go back to nineteen eighty four when I was 160 00:07:16.800 --> 00:07:19.319 like ten, Me and my dad and my uncle and 161 00:07:19.319 --> 00:07:21.920 aunt were rabbit hunting on the same property and this 162 00:07:22.160 --> 00:07:27.079 thing growled at us for like five minutes. And my uncle, 163 00:07:27.120 --> 00:07:29.480 who was a marine sixty eight sixty nine of my dad, 164 00:07:29.519 --> 00:07:31.879 both vets, both armed with twelve ages, got out of 165 00:07:31.920 --> 00:07:35.399 dodge and I remember asking Daddy what was that. He goes, 166 00:07:36.120 --> 00:07:38.600 Uncle Bill's bulls must have been hung up in the fence, 167 00:07:38.639 --> 00:07:41.759 and I said, let's go help it, and I'm trying 168 00:07:41.759 --> 00:07:43.560 to grill my dad, and then he said it must 169 00:07:43.639 --> 00:07:46.000 be a bear, because sometimes bears would come back into 170 00:07:46.000 --> 00:07:49.279 East Texas from Louisiana. And then me and him later 171 00:07:49.319 --> 00:07:52.959 on had the same kind of vocalization. And the closest 172 00:07:52.959 --> 00:07:55.120 thing I can tell you this is the Sierra Sounds, 173 00:07:55.720 --> 00:07:57.720 very close to some of the Sierra Sounds stuff, and 174 00:07:57.759 --> 00:08:01.560 that's basically what my cousins heard. And then that kind 175 00:08:01.560 --> 00:08:04.040 of went into some early research that I did out 176 00:08:04.040 --> 00:08:04.360 there in. 177 00:08:04.319 --> 00:08:06.000 Newton County, Texas and stuff like that. 178 00:08:06.160 --> 00:08:09.079 So it just kind of started talking to people, they 179 00:08:09.079 --> 00:08:12.160 started talking about footprints, they started talking about sightings and stuff. 180 00:08:12.199 --> 00:08:14.959 So that all kind of began right there with that report. 181 00:08:15.480 --> 00:08:17.959 Very interesting, so is that that location has a long 182 00:08:18.079 --> 00:08:19.839 history of encounters as well. 183 00:08:20.160 --> 00:08:20.360 Well. 184 00:08:20.360 --> 00:08:22.439 What we heard, I don't know. 185 00:08:22.560 --> 00:08:24.600 I can't say what I heard because I didn't see 186 00:08:24.600 --> 00:08:27.959 it making the vocalization, but some of the sounds on 187 00:08:28.000 --> 00:08:32.120 the Sierra sounds were that noise there, not the chatter 188 00:08:32.200 --> 00:08:34.679 stuff here, but like the guttural stuff, it was definitely 189 00:08:34.720 --> 00:08:36.879 the same kind of tone. And when I played them 190 00:08:37.080 --> 00:08:39.039 later on, they said that's what they heard as well, 191 00:08:39.480 --> 00:08:41.399 and that was just an area that's had a, you know, 192 00:08:41.799 --> 00:08:43.759 as I come to find out, a ton. 193 00:08:43.559 --> 00:08:44.840 Of activity over the years. 194 00:08:44.879 --> 00:08:48.639 But you know, bigfoot is a word used at the time, 195 00:08:48.799 --> 00:08:52.799 mainly in the Pacific Northwest. And you said bigfoot to people. 196 00:08:52.799 --> 00:08:54.120 They kind of looked at you, and I said, you 197 00:08:54.159 --> 00:08:56.399 ever see anything weird? And I remember a guy saying, 198 00:08:56.399 --> 00:08:58.399 I don't know about no bigfoot, but one of my 199 00:08:58.480 --> 00:09:01.320 buddies saw a booger down by being river, and so 200 00:09:01.360 --> 00:09:02.559 what did this booger look like? 201 00:09:02.759 --> 00:09:05.320 Well, he had some coyotes had become up to his garbage. 202 00:09:04.879 --> 00:09:06.600 Can at night, and he went out there for the 203 00:09:06.639 --> 00:09:08.600 twenty two and one night to shoot the coyotes, and 204 00:09:08.639 --> 00:09:10.799 this thing stand up about seven foot tall behind the 205 00:09:10.799 --> 00:09:11.320 garbage can. 206 00:09:11.360 --> 00:09:13.000 It runs off down toward the river. Because that was 207 00:09:13.039 --> 00:09:14.960 a booger, so you know. 208 00:09:15.639 --> 00:09:18.440 Then, of course the media Bigfoot's now known to be 209 00:09:18.519 --> 00:09:21.399 all around the country reports of them, so sometimes and 210 00:09:21.480 --> 00:09:23.679 back in the day, it was almost like just ask 211 00:09:23.759 --> 00:09:26.480 people if you see anything strange that kind of. 212 00:09:26.480 --> 00:09:30.279 Stuff, Yeah, especially not on the Pasidic the northwest. 213 00:09:30.360 --> 00:09:33.919 Yeah, if you're on the Pacific Northwest, saying hear anything weird? 214 00:09:33.919 --> 00:09:35.399 Did you ever see anything weird? Do you ever hear 215 00:09:35.559 --> 00:09:37.879 you know, like that comes off a lot better than 216 00:09:38.200 --> 00:09:39.159 have you seen Bigfoot? 217 00:09:39.720 --> 00:09:40.080 Yeah? 218 00:09:40.159 --> 00:09:43.159 Yeah, yeah, And people talk, So that was that was 219 00:09:43.159 --> 00:09:45.600 an interesting learning curve for me, just talking to people 220 00:09:45.639 --> 00:09:49.440 and saying, hey, see anything strange, anything weird, anything unusual, 221 00:09:49.480 --> 00:09:51.240 And a lot of times they would have her story 222 00:09:51.559 --> 00:09:54.519 and it was often pretty compelling stuff. 223 00:09:56.159 --> 00:09:59.559 Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and Bogo. 224 00:09:59.720 --> 00:10:07.519 Will be right back after these messages. Boba, are you 225 00:10:07.559 --> 00:10:13.799 starting to notice thinning hair? 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See website for full details, 256 00:11:50.080 --> 00:11:52.159 restrictions and important safety information. 257 00:11:53.919 --> 00:11:56.360 Now, is that how you get most of the leads 258 00:11:56.399 --> 00:11:58.440 on various things to follow up on? Is just talking 259 00:11:58.480 --> 00:11:59.919 to people? Or do you do you look for like 260 00:12:00.080 --> 00:12:04.240 printed accounts or how do you go about choosing either 261 00:12:04.519 --> 00:12:05.960 it could be a big foot thing or could be 262 00:12:06.279 --> 00:12:08.720 you know, ivory build woodpecker. It doesn't matter, Like how 263 00:12:08.799 --> 00:12:12.039 do you get the leads? Or is there so such 264 00:12:12.080 --> 00:12:14.720 a variety of ways that you can't even narrow one down. 265 00:12:14.799 --> 00:12:17.840 It's a great question, Like I really don't do sasquatch 266 00:12:17.879 --> 00:12:20.320 researcher anymore. My only sasquatch stuff I do anymore is 267 00:12:20.360 --> 00:12:25.240 taking kids facing special challenges on like terminal illness, on expeditions. 268 00:12:25.279 --> 00:12:27.159 That's kind of my sasquatch stuff I do now. 269 00:12:27.720 --> 00:12:29.840 But the other stuff, and going back to when I 270 00:12:29.879 --> 00:12:33.039 first started, was I would often just put something out 271 00:12:33.080 --> 00:12:34.759 in the media. You know, that would be my starting 272 00:12:34.799 --> 00:12:36.559 point because you know, if I have a chance to 273 00:12:36.559 --> 00:12:38.480 be published in front of one hundred thousand people or 274 00:12:38.519 --> 00:12:42.120 whatever and say, hey, you know any reports of X, 275 00:12:42.240 --> 00:12:45.679 Y and Z or whatever, that would help. Now you 276 00:12:45.759 --> 00:12:47.519 do that, you get a lot of game camera photos 277 00:12:47.519 --> 00:12:49.480 and videos, which is wonderful. I've been doing a lot 278 00:12:49.480 --> 00:12:52.120 of that with cat stuff lately. And I would also 279 00:12:52.159 --> 00:12:53.679 look at a lot of stuff. Used to go back 280 00:12:53.679 --> 00:12:55.320 to the library a lot and look at old books 281 00:12:55.320 --> 00:12:58.559 and look at old microfilm and stuff like that, and 282 00:12:58.759 --> 00:13:02.399 just try to find historic database of like you know, 283 00:13:02.480 --> 00:13:04.840 in patterns. I'm a journalist, so I look for patterns. 284 00:13:04.879 --> 00:13:05.039 You know. 285 00:13:05.120 --> 00:13:07.559 I would see, like, you know, there's this weird report 286 00:13:07.600 --> 00:13:10.279 over here, there's this history of these large cats being 287 00:13:10.279 --> 00:13:12.440 seen a certain air that not supposed to be. That's 288 00:13:12.519 --> 00:13:15.480 usually a pretty good spot to go into. And then 289 00:13:15.519 --> 00:13:18.200 you start interviewing people. I really like the one on 290 00:13:18.200 --> 00:13:20.320 one part of sitting down with someone and interviewing them, 291 00:13:20.399 --> 00:13:23.519 you know, that really helps a lot. And so it's 292 00:13:23.559 --> 00:13:26.039 you know, it's all the above pretty much. But now 293 00:13:26.159 --> 00:13:28.960 a lot of the stuff comes to me, so I 294 00:13:29.039 --> 00:13:31.600 get more stuff than I can handle sometimes to look into, 295 00:13:31.759 --> 00:13:33.879 you know, because people know I do this stuff, and 296 00:13:33.879 --> 00:13:36.600 I'm in a lot of different publications and podcasts, so 297 00:13:36.639 --> 00:13:38.960 I get a lot of just reports of different stuff 298 00:13:39.000 --> 00:13:40.080 sent to me, which is great. 299 00:13:40.480 --> 00:13:41.759 What's your favorite thing to look into? 300 00:13:41.799 --> 00:13:45.480 At this point, I'm really into the cat stuff, like 301 00:13:46.320 --> 00:13:48.879 because of some kind of discoveries that I've made in 302 00:13:48.919 --> 00:13:53.480 this regard. You know, the black panther phenomenon in America 303 00:13:53.799 --> 00:13:57.759 is really intriguing. And what's interesting about it, of course, 304 00:13:57.919 --> 00:14:00.320 you know the black cat people see in a television 305 00:14:00.399 --> 00:14:04.799 show or a zoo, or either melanistic jaguars or melanistic 306 00:14:04.960 --> 00:14:08.360 leopards or usually leopards, And of course jaguars are native 307 00:14:08.559 --> 00:14:11.440 originally to the US, but you know, there's very few 308 00:14:11.480 --> 00:14:14.320 that come across the border. But people see these black 309 00:14:14.399 --> 00:14:19.480 cats everywhere, and that's an interesting one. But also people 310 00:14:20.000 --> 00:14:22.519 about five years ago, I would get reports people thinking 311 00:14:22.600 --> 00:14:27.360 they saw oslots and servals and margays and stuff like 312 00:14:27.399 --> 00:14:30.639 in Oklahoma and Arkansas and places like that, and it 313 00:14:30.679 --> 00:14:34.200 really opened up sort of Pandor's box to like what 314 00:14:34.320 --> 00:14:36.919 was really going on out there in this cat industry 315 00:14:37.000 --> 00:14:39.080 because I kind of discovered a few things that like 316 00:14:39.240 --> 00:14:41.159 made perfect sense, but it was hard to get to 317 00:14:41.159 --> 00:14:42.720 that point that makes any sense, you know. 318 00:14:43.159 --> 00:14:45.440 Well, so like, for example, what like what was so 319 00:14:45.519 --> 00:14:47.759 shocking and that you it took a while for you 320 00:14:47.840 --> 00:14:48.480 to come up upon. 321 00:14:48.960 --> 00:14:50.759 Well, I'll give you a prime example. 322 00:14:51.360 --> 00:14:53.440 You know, I was getting quite a few people saying 323 00:14:53.440 --> 00:14:57.600 they saw a cat that looked like an oslot. And 324 00:14:57.639 --> 00:15:01.360 an ocelot is native to the southern portion extreme southern Texas, 325 00:15:01.360 --> 00:15:04.120 but there's only a handful there, very common in parts 326 00:15:04.159 --> 00:15:05.879 of Mexico, Belize and stuff like that. 327 00:15:06.799 --> 00:15:08.000 And people would also use. 328 00:15:07.919 --> 00:15:10.919 The word servil or some kind of spotting cat with 329 00:15:10.919 --> 00:15:13.080 a long tail, and there. 330 00:15:13.039 --> 00:15:13.919 Was a lot of reports. 331 00:15:14.000 --> 00:15:16.000 Well, four or five years ago, I started getting you know, 332 00:15:16.080 --> 00:15:18.840 cell phone pictures, which usually aren't that good, but game 333 00:15:18.879 --> 00:15:22.919 cam photos are. And I got one from San Patricio, Texas, 334 00:15:23.360 --> 00:15:25.639 and I looked at this particular shot in my first 335 00:15:25.639 --> 00:15:27.960 thought was, this is about one hundred miles north of 336 00:15:28.080 --> 00:15:30.240 known oslot range and they're not known to be a 337 00:15:30.279 --> 00:15:34.159 migratory cat. And I went, man, that looks like an ocelot, 338 00:15:34.200 --> 00:15:35.720 And then I started cropping and zooming in. 339 00:15:35.679 --> 00:15:37.480 And went, that's a Bengal cat. 340 00:15:38.120 --> 00:15:40.279 What a Bengal cat? 341 00:15:40.600 --> 00:15:43.639 So I have three bingle cats about fifty yards from 342 00:15:43.679 --> 00:15:46.840 me at our facility here the Kingdom's Wildlife Center. They 343 00:15:46.919 --> 00:15:52.240 are a registerable domestic cat that were originally hybridized with 344 00:15:52.279 --> 00:15:55.639 an Asian leopard cat. An Asian leopard cat basically is 345 00:15:55.679 --> 00:16:01.919 an ocelot from like Oceania, okay, and they're beautiful cats. 346 00:16:02.559 --> 00:16:05.000 They're about the size of a bobcat or an osalot. 347 00:16:05.480 --> 00:16:08.080 But they bred them into with a domestic tabby cat 348 00:16:08.240 --> 00:16:11.120 and they made a domestic hybrid that has a lot 349 00:16:11.200 --> 00:16:12.960 of different kind of patterns, but a lot of them 350 00:16:12.960 --> 00:16:16.440 have the pattern like an ocelot or an. 351 00:16:16.360 --> 00:16:18.720 Asian leopard cat. People wouldn't know the difference they saw them. 352 00:16:19.279 --> 00:16:22.559 And there are tens of thousands of these in America 353 00:16:22.600 --> 00:16:24.759 and a lot of them are going feral now and 354 00:16:24.799 --> 00:16:28.000 they survive really well because they have a little more 355 00:16:28.039 --> 00:16:30.480 wild ends thincts. I have purity and purity we've had 356 00:16:30.480 --> 00:16:34.360 for seven years. And she is a little for a Bengal. 357 00:16:34.440 --> 00:16:37.120 She's small and she's what they call a snow leopard pattern. 358 00:16:37.200 --> 00:16:40.519 She has basically the ocelot looking pattern, but she's white 359 00:16:40.559 --> 00:16:43.639 and gray, it has blue eyes, and she can probably 360 00:16:43.679 --> 00:16:46.440 get her back feet about seven feet in the air. 361 00:16:46.759 --> 00:16:49.720 I mean very agile animals and people. They look like 362 00:16:49.759 --> 00:16:53.639 a wildcat. And so these things are getting feral and 363 00:16:53.679 --> 00:16:55.960 going on out there, and people are seeing a lot 364 00:16:56.000 --> 00:16:59.080 of stuff there. They're right, that's not normally supposed to 365 00:16:59.159 --> 00:17:01.960 be there, but they're seeing some of these domestic and 366 00:17:02.000 --> 00:17:03.600 designer cats done ferrell. 367 00:17:04.039 --> 00:17:06.079 Is there a name for that? I mean, cryptosology is 368 00:17:06.079 --> 00:17:08.160 a studied by known animals having discovered Is there a 369 00:17:08.240 --> 00:17:10.640 name for the study or look at looking at the 370 00:17:10.680 --> 00:17:14.920 mysteries of animals that are known or domesticated and then escaped. 371 00:17:15.559 --> 00:17:18.559 Well, you know what, I coined the phrase about twenty 372 00:17:18.640 --> 00:17:20.440 years ago. I just started using it like my own 373 00:17:20.480 --> 00:17:23.680 writings and stuff. Known cryptids in other words, it's something 374 00:17:23.720 --> 00:17:25.680 that we know there. It's just not supposed to be 375 00:17:25.720 --> 00:17:28.680 where it's at, you know, or you know that kind 376 00:17:28.720 --> 00:17:31.079 of thing. And this is a prime example, and it's 377 00:17:31.079 --> 00:17:34.319 integrating into the wild, and there's wild populations. There's also 378 00:17:35.000 --> 00:17:36.920 one we're starting to see now, and that is the 379 00:17:36.960 --> 00:17:39.799 savannah cat, which was hybridized with a beautiful cat called 380 00:17:39.799 --> 00:17:43.759 African serval. And there are some f one hybrids out 381 00:17:43.759 --> 00:17:46.400 there that are fifty percent served to look almost one 382 00:17:46.519 --> 00:17:49.119 hundred percent served. They're very harder to singh's the difference, 383 00:17:49.440 --> 00:17:53.039 and they can. They're very agile, they're pretty tall cats. 384 00:17:53.720 --> 00:17:57.599 And this stuff is running around the wilds of America everywhere. 385 00:17:57.720 --> 00:18:00.400 And you know, one of my things, guys, is always 386 00:18:00.440 --> 00:18:04.039 hated it when someone is very sincere calls a fishing 387 00:18:04.079 --> 00:18:06.839 game department or calls a game warden or something and 388 00:18:06.880 --> 00:18:09.519 they give a genuine reporter seeing something like a mountain 389 00:18:09.519 --> 00:18:10.960 lion and an area not supposed to be and they 390 00:18:11.000 --> 00:18:14.400 get made fun of, right, And I like to let 391 00:18:14.480 --> 00:18:16.720 I like to put information out there to let people know, Hey, 392 00:18:16.839 --> 00:18:19.680 I'm not gonna make funny for what you report. Let's 393 00:18:19.720 --> 00:18:21.960 look at what's really going on out there. Not everyone 394 00:18:22.079 --> 00:18:24.400 is a wildlife expert, you know, Yeah, but. 395 00:18:24.640 --> 00:18:26.440 You you actually know a lot about it, this stuff, 396 00:18:26.440 --> 00:18:29.400 and you've been around these animals because your employment. You 397 00:18:29.400 --> 00:18:31.519 have a lot of experience of course over all these years. 398 00:18:31.519 --> 00:18:33.839 And I think that's one of the biggest hurdle hurdles, 399 00:18:33.920 --> 00:18:37.240 especially you know, long before say finding Bigfoot or something 400 00:18:37.279 --> 00:18:39.960 like that, people thought they'd be laughed at for reporting 401 00:18:40.000 --> 00:18:42.279