WEBVTT 1 00:00:03.640 --> 00:00:06.519 And I just turned around and I call ass out 2 00:00:06.519 --> 00:00:06.799 of there. 3 00:00:06.919 --> 00:00:08.119 I was done. 4 00:00:08.359 --> 00:00:09.359 I wasn't dealing with them. 5 00:00:12.480 --> 00:00:15.240 The hypocrisy of the cult is one of the things 6 00:00:15.439 --> 00:00:17.920 that turned me away the quickest. 7 00:00:21.359 --> 00:00:23.839 When I turned my head lights on, it turned and 8 00:00:23.920 --> 00:00:24.600 looked at us. 9 00:00:25.399 --> 00:00:27.559 And one of the things I remember the most where 10 00:00:27.559 --> 00:00:33.399 the eyes were going red. I see an orb of light. 11 00:00:34.039 --> 00:00:37.039 It is just circling these steps. 12 00:00:36.640 --> 00:00:37.960 Like it is waiting for me. 13 00:00:41.079 --> 00:00:45.159 And he begins to tell them that he saw Ufo. 14 00:00:45.600 --> 00:00:51.560 They're basically like, what are you talking about. That's seven 15 00:00:51.600 --> 00:00:54.640 foot up on a tree, peeking around it, and that's 16 00:00:54.640 --> 00:00:57.439 where I saw the top of the muzzle, nose and 17 00:00:57.520 --> 00:00:58.000 the eyes. 18 00:00:58.320 --> 00:01:00.520 As soon as I made eye contact with this thing. 19 00:01:00.600 --> 00:01:02.399 It don't like death. 20 00:01:06.040 --> 00:01:08.599 Welcome back, Cold Listeners, just branding from ten Foil Tales, 21 00:01:08.640 --> 00:01:11.959 bringing you some new episodes to listen to. Today. We're 22 00:01:11.959 --> 00:01:14.040 going to start looking into a couple of different phenomenas. 23 00:01:14.120 --> 00:01:16.920 First up, we're going to talk to d about crop circles. 24 00:01:17.439 --> 00:01:19.640 Then later we're going to be joined by Ian and 25 00:01:19.680 --> 00:01:22.239 talk about cattle mutilations. I feel like both of these 26 00:01:22.280 --> 00:01:27.680 have a similarity with unknown phenomena that happens usually associated 27 00:01:27.680 --> 00:01:30.359 with UFO contact, and I thought it would be a 28 00:01:30.439 --> 00:01:33.879 good idea to share that with you guys today. Before 29 00:01:33.879 --> 00:01:35.640 we do that, I just want to say thanks to 30 00:01:35.680 --> 00:01:37.840 Cult of Conspiracy for having me a part of this. 31 00:01:38.799 --> 00:01:40.879 Thanks for you guys listening, and if you're a fan 32 00:01:40.920 --> 00:01:43.480 of ten Foil Tales, make sure to go and subscribe 33 00:01:43.640 --> 00:01:47.079 or follow Tenfoil Tells anywhere you listen to podcast at. 34 00:01:47.719 --> 00:01:50.959 I also do another show live on Thursday nights at 35 00:01:51.040 --> 00:01:54.040 nine pm Eastern Standard Time called Seamsus where I look 36 00:01:54.040 --> 00:01:56.120 into a lot of conspiracy things and a lot of 37 00:01:56.120 --> 00:01:58.000 the weird stuff going on in the world with my 38 00:01:58.079 --> 00:02:01.319 friend Ed Again. 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Brandon, thanks so much. 59 00:02:51.000 --> 00:02:52.680 Would you like to let the audience know a little 60 00:02:52.680 --> 00:02:54.360 bit about yourself before we get into it. 61 00:02:55.599 --> 00:02:55.800 Yeah. 62 00:02:55.879 --> 00:02:59.319 I ran a substack called it Can't Be PayPal, which 63 00:03:00.120 --> 00:03:06.360 addresses events occurring around human made crop circles that really 64 00:03:06.400 --> 00:03:09.439 do sort of enter into the paranormal and high strangeness 65 00:03:09.439 --> 00:03:15.800 and overlap with uthology. And I've been interviewing circle makers 66 00:03:15.840 --> 00:03:18.479 human circle makers over the past eight years and just 67 00:03:18.560 --> 00:03:21.240 collating their accounts, which I then put for free on 68 00:03:21.280 --> 00:03:24.280 my substack. It'll probably be a book at this at 69 00:03:24.319 --> 00:03:27.479 some stage, but in the meantime it's garnering a lot 70 00:03:27.520 --> 00:03:30.840 of interest because people don't really understand about this element 71 00:03:30.879 --> 00:03:32.879 of the mystery. 72 00:03:33.639 --> 00:03:37.759 Right, crop circles has been something that's interested me for years, 73 00:03:37.800 --> 00:03:39.759 even as a little kid. So this is something that 74 00:03:39.759 --> 00:03:41.520 I've been looking forward to talking to you about. 75 00:03:41.719 --> 00:03:42.560 Yeah, that's mutual. 76 00:03:42.759 --> 00:03:47.159 Yeah, yeah, I mean we probably started from the same place, mate, 77 00:03:47.199 --> 00:03:51.400 because my interest is uthology, and I was brought up 78 00:03:51.439 --> 00:03:55.039 in the Golden age of like Jack Vaia and John 79 00:03:55.120 --> 00:03:59.080 Keel and Jenny Randalls and John Spencer, all of the 80 00:03:59.120 --> 00:03:59.800 seventies and. 81 00:03:59.759 --> 00:04:01.520 Eight is really great literature. 82 00:04:02.199 --> 00:04:07.400 And when we started to see we had UFO casebos 83 00:04:07.439 --> 00:04:11.520 over here where every year you'd have details of sightings 84 00:04:11.599 --> 00:04:14.599 relevant throughout the world and throughout Europe and the UK. 85 00:04:15.199 --> 00:04:19.399 But then we started to see reports of these crop circles. 86 00:04:19.399 --> 00:04:20.519 And in those days. 87 00:04:20.240 --> 00:04:26.040 They were very very simple single circle events, or they 88 00:04:26.079 --> 00:04:30.920 were just single circles with maybe satellite circles around them 89 00:04:30.920 --> 00:04:33.800 that looked like UFO landing gear from like The Day 90 00:04:33.800 --> 00:04:36.079 of the Earth did still a B movie. They all 91 00:04:36.120 --> 00:04:41.079 looked like landed vessels, okay, and the polemic and the 92 00:04:41.120 --> 00:04:44.360 reports were reported as such they did look like landed 93 00:04:44.480 --> 00:04:49.639 UFOs and the president was the Tally Nests from Australia 94 00:04:49.680 --> 00:04:53.360 in the seventies that looked like landed UFOs, but that 95 00:04:53.480 --> 00:04:56.879 was in grass because were you having them in crop 96 00:04:57.240 --> 00:05:01.040 Because the crops higher, the indentations were were more pronounced. 97 00:05:01.720 --> 00:05:05.240 And then the polemic changed in about nineteen ninety where 98 00:05:05.240 --> 00:05:09.879 we saw the now legendary led Zeppelin Remasters cover, which 99 00:05:09.920 --> 00:05:13.079 I'm sure you know about, which was more like like 100 00:05:13.120 --> 00:05:18.240 a corridor with interlocking circles and forks and door keys. Now, 101 00:05:18.279 --> 00:05:22.120 at that point the landed ufo polemic should really have 102 00:05:22.319 --> 00:05:27.120 just been obliterated, because no ufo looks like that, But 103 00:05:27.519 --> 00:05:31.560 because the imagery and the connection between UFOs and crop 104 00:05:31.680 --> 00:05:35.439 circles have become so ingrained within the public psyche, we 105 00:05:35.519 --> 00:05:38.439 had this clunky transition where people said, well, that's not 106 00:05:38.480 --> 00:05:42.639 a landed ufo, it's a message from our space brothers instead. 107 00:05:43.360 --> 00:05:44.439 If that makes sense to you. 108 00:05:45.160 --> 00:05:50.000 Yeah, well, if you would like to dive into what 109 00:05:50.079 --> 00:05:52.199 you've researched, I'll turn it over to you, and then 110 00:05:52.240 --> 00:05:54.639 if I got any questions, I'll ask as we go along. 111 00:05:54.680 --> 00:05:56.439 But I try not dinnerrupt people too much. 112 00:05:56.480 --> 00:06:00.279 No, mate, really, that's fine. I've done loads and loads 113 00:06:00.279 --> 00:06:01.680 of these things and that's the best way. 114 00:06:01.560 --> 00:06:02.000 To do it. 115 00:06:03.439 --> 00:06:06.439 I understand. The reason why I have to remain anonymous 116 00:06:06.439 --> 00:06:07.040 today is. 117 00:06:07.000 --> 00:06:09.160 Because there's there's three reasons. 118 00:06:09.199 --> 00:06:13.439 The first reason is that crupt circle making is illegal 119 00:06:14.480 --> 00:06:17.839 in the UK. It's not actually a criminal police matter, 120 00:06:18.519 --> 00:06:21.879 but it's a civil suit if the farmer chooses to 121 00:06:22.000 --> 00:06:27.240 take action because it's it's criminal damage. No matter how 122 00:06:27.240 --> 00:06:30.920 pretty the circle is, it's criminal damage. It's trespassed and 123 00:06:30.959 --> 00:06:35.040 it's vandalism. And there's no statute of limitations in this country. 124 00:06:35.079 --> 00:06:38.240 So even though I retired from making ten years ago, 125 00:06:38.600 --> 00:06:40.879 if I get linked to a circle, I could still 126 00:06:40.920 --> 00:06:46.120 potentially be in trouble. The second reason is this isn't 127 00:06:46.160 --> 00:06:49.720 about the personalities and the circle makers themselves. It's more 128 00:06:49.800 --> 00:06:55.240 about the stories and the anecdotes and the accounts speaking 129 00:06:55.360 --> 00:06:58.439 rather than the artist, and we prefer for it not 130 00:06:58.519 --> 00:07:02.000 to be about personalitism. We prefer for the art to 131 00:07:02.040 --> 00:07:05.399 be speaking. The third reason is this is a highly 132 00:07:05.920 --> 00:07:11.000 highly contentious viewpoint or avenue that it's not a viewpoint, 133 00:07:11.040 --> 00:07:15.240 it's actually how things are. It's a highly contentious narrative 134 00:07:15.279 --> 00:07:18.759 I'll be giving you today, and I have a wonderful 135 00:07:18.800 --> 00:07:22.800 life outside of this, and I don't really want that 136 00:07:22.959 --> 00:07:27.240 to be encroached upon people that don't really follow what 137 00:07:27.279 --> 00:07:31.399 the narrative is. Now, My belief was always in, as 138 00:07:31.399 --> 00:07:34.560 I said, ufology, And when I started to see these 139 00:07:34.680 --> 00:07:38.680 crop circles appearing in the case books, I didn't realize 140 00:07:38.759 --> 00:07:42.480 how close Wiltshire because that's where they were appearing. I 141 00:07:42.519 --> 00:07:45.519 didn't realize how close Wiltchire was to where I lived 142 00:07:45.519 --> 00:07:49.399 in London. And when I did realize, I just got 143 00:07:49.480 --> 00:07:52.120 in the car and just drove down and started to 144 00:07:52.199 --> 00:07:56.639 visit these things. Our sort of bible at the time 145 00:07:56.720 --> 00:07:59.800 and still is the Crop Circle Connector website, which tells 146 00:07:59.839 --> 00:08:03.000 you that where the events are and where the circles are, 147 00:08:03.560 --> 00:08:06.600 and I imagine that I'm probably where a lot of 148 00:08:06.639 --> 00:08:10.480 your listeners are in that. I always thought that this 149 00:08:10.759 --> 00:08:14.079 was some sort of NHI, or it was something connected 150 00:08:14.120 --> 00:08:18.920 to you, to UFOs, or to military testing, or to 151 00:08:19.079 --> 00:08:22.639 Gia or to Mother Earth. We didn't for a second 152 00:08:23.319 --> 00:08:26.680 consider that they were human made, because the ones that 153 00:08:26.800 --> 00:08:31.279 we did see that were human made were normally really wonky. 154 00:08:30.879 --> 00:08:33.080 And really badly done. And I'll come on to what 155 00:08:33.240 --> 00:08:33.799 that is soon. 156 00:08:34.840 --> 00:08:38.039 So if I was to go and do a field 157 00:08:38.080 --> 00:08:41.159 trip and visit and visit ten circles, if I knew 158 00:08:41.200 --> 00:08:42.799 that two of those were man made. 159 00:08:43.039 --> 00:08:45.000 I just wouldn't bother, okay. 160 00:08:46.240 --> 00:08:50.879 And I held the circle makers in the same contempt 161 00:08:51.360 --> 00:08:53.679 that I am sure that some of your listeners will 162 00:08:53.759 --> 00:08:56.960 will hold me. And that's fine, okay, because we thought 163 00:08:57.000 --> 00:09:01.240 the mystery was deep enough without the pranksters and these 164 00:09:01.240 --> 00:09:03.720 hoaxes coming in and just muddy in the waters. I 165 00:09:03.759 --> 00:09:06.799 always use the analogy of the magician with the balls 166 00:09:06.879 --> 00:09:09.840 under the cups. You know, there's three cups, one ball, 167 00:09:09.960 --> 00:09:12.960 and then these idiots come and add another ten cups. 168 00:09:13.480 --> 00:09:19.080 So I visited the circles, but the Moro Moro went 169 00:09:19.120 --> 00:09:23.159 to visit Wiltshire. I started to hang about where the 170 00:09:23.200 --> 00:09:25.399 circles were made, and I used to go to the 171 00:09:25.399 --> 00:09:29.440 gift shops and the related places like avery and Stonehenge, 172 00:09:29.480 --> 00:09:34.399 all these ancient, you know, really special sites. Started to 173 00:09:34.440 --> 00:09:37.960 hear stories from human circle made because who, as I said, 174 00:09:38.480 --> 00:09:41.840 I had complete disdain for. But I started to hear 175 00:09:41.919 --> 00:09:45.360 stories of strangeness. I was hearing stories of like time 176 00:09:45.440 --> 00:09:55.799 shifts and UAPs and dream driven events, intense, intense synchronicities 177 00:09:57.360 --> 00:09:59.840 and stuff that was all going around the creative pro 178 00:10:01.120 --> 00:10:05.240 And then I was overheard one day saying, I don't 179 00:10:05.279 --> 00:10:08.519 care how the circles got there. I'm more concerned about 180 00:10:08.519 --> 00:10:11.799 what they do. I the magic that they instill into 181 00:10:11.840 --> 00:10:14.840 the land, and the people that you know, report all 182 00:10:14.840 --> 00:10:16.279 these wonderful experiences. 183 00:10:16.879 --> 00:10:17.320 I was. 184 00:10:17.679 --> 00:10:20.799 I was overheard saying that, and the circle makers said 185 00:10:20.840 --> 00:10:22.600 to me that we've been watching you for a while. 186 00:10:22.639 --> 00:10:25.919 We think that you're probably aligned to what we're doing. 187 00:10:26.879 --> 00:10:29.639 We started a circle last night, but we didn't finish it. 188 00:10:30.600 --> 00:10:32.480 Would you like to come out and do the rest 189 00:10:32.519 --> 00:10:35.879 with us? And of course I jumped at it. But 190 00:10:36.080 --> 00:10:41.000 I did promise myself that if I didn't encounter any 191 00:10:41.080 --> 00:10:45.279 of the paranormal or you know, really odd stuff that 192 00:10:45.320 --> 00:10:48.960 I'd been hearing about and reading about, I probably would 193 00:10:49.000 --> 00:10:53.120 put it all down to lies and fabrications and people 194 00:10:53.159 --> 00:10:55.879 padding their part, and I promised myself I would never 195 00:10:55.960 --> 00:10:59.759 do it again. Now, we went into to finish this circle, 196 00:11:00.320 --> 00:11:05.360 and nothing happened at all, and I thought, Okay, this 197 00:11:05.440 --> 00:11:08.039 is all a bunch of bs. It's just these people, 198 00:11:08.279 --> 00:11:12.159 you know, fabricator making themselves look big. They're just hoaxters. 199 00:11:12.440 --> 00:11:15.919 It's not the real phenomenon. It's just a wasted my time. 200 00:11:16.679 --> 00:11:21.039 And we finished the circle and the second that we 201 00:11:21.159 --> 00:11:25.080 finished it, I saw this single like magnesium flare at 202 00:11:25.120 --> 00:11:27.200 the end of the field, which looked like an old 203 00:11:28.240 --> 00:11:31.679 polaroid flash bowl from one of those old cameras. And 204 00:11:31.720 --> 00:11:34.240 I was very paranoid because i'd, as I do now, 205 00:11:34.240 --> 00:11:36.240 a quite as principle job. And I just said to 206 00:11:36.320 --> 00:11:39.039 the team leader, I said, people are taking pictures of us. 207 00:11:39.080 --> 00:11:41.639 We've had and it was becoming daylight. It was about 208 00:11:41.639 --> 00:11:45.399 three point fifteen by this point. I said, we've had it. 209 00:11:45.440 --> 00:11:47.399 They're taking pictures, but that this is going to go. 210 00:11:47.559 --> 00:11:49.080 I'm going to get a criminal record that's going to 211 00:11:49.080 --> 00:11:51.679 affect my job. And he went, no, don't worry, and 212 00:11:51.720 --> 00:11:53.559 I said, what do you mean. He was really blase 213 00:11:53.600 --> 00:11:56.399 a because he'd made loads and loads of circles. And 214 00:11:56.440 --> 00:11:59.279 then I watched this flash and it kept appearing, and 215 00:11:59.320 --> 00:12:03.879 then this flash turned into it proliferated into five flashes, 216 00:12:03.919 --> 00:12:06.759 then ten, then fifteen, and then it was like thirty 217 00:12:06.840 --> 00:12:11.039 of these like magnesium flares like UAPs at waste level, 218 00:12:11.559 --> 00:12:14.480 which I'd ever seen before in the literature, and it 219 00:12:14.679 --> 00:12:18.960 sprinkled itself around the circle from the left and right 220 00:12:19.120 --> 00:12:22.840 right round the circle. So we had this proliferation of lights, 221 00:12:23.360 --> 00:12:26.840 which I describe in my substack as the biggest necklace 222 00:12:26.879 --> 00:12:29.440 in the world. And I said to the team leader, 223 00:12:29.480 --> 00:12:33.759 what the hell is that? And he says, look, that's 224 00:12:33.919 --> 00:12:36.840 just us being told. It's a little round of applause. 225 00:12:37.480 --> 00:12:41.039 We're being told that the circle's finished and not to 226 00:12:41.120 --> 00:12:43.759 do anything else to it because we might mess it up, 227 00:12:43.840 --> 00:12:46.080 like a painting where you do so much. And then 228 00:12:46.120 --> 00:12:49.279 he looked up at the sky and he said, okay, 229 00:12:49.679 --> 00:12:53.879 we're finished. Now it's yours. It's all yours. What that 230 00:12:54.039 --> 00:12:56.720 means is that for as long as we're making a circle, 231 00:12:56.799 --> 00:12:59.639 it's ours, but the second we leave it, it doesn't 232 00:12:59.639 --> 00:13:03.039 belong to us anymore. And he said, okay, we're going now, 233 00:13:03.200 --> 00:13:05.320 thank you very much. And the second is said that 234 00:13:05.399 --> 00:13:09.000 these lights just went off, every single one. The whole 235 00:13:09.000 --> 00:13:11.519 thing was like someone had switched a light switch. And 236 00:13:11.559 --> 00:13:14.200 that's when I became hooked. And then the second time 237 00:13:14.240 --> 00:13:17.799 I made a circle, we had a pink uap appeared 238 00:13:17.879 --> 00:13:20.080 just as we did the first stump mark, and it 239 00:13:20.159 --> 00:13:23.960 appeared for the duration of the circle and then blinked 240 00:13:24.000 --> 00:13:28.080 out once it finished. Now that's when I started to 241 00:13:28.080 --> 00:13:31.720 become hooked, and I started to make them regularly, and 242 00:13:32.679 --> 00:13:36.000 strangeness didn't happen every time, Brandon, I mean, every circle 243 00:13:36.039 --> 00:13:39.600 would be eventful, something funny might happen, or something amusing. 244 00:13:40.120 --> 00:13:43.399 But as far as high strangeness, I only had it 245 00:13:43.440 --> 00:13:46.200 about forty to fifty percent of the time. But every 246 00:13:46.240 --> 00:13:50.600 time I did, it was really really odd. And that's 247 00:13:50.639 --> 00:13:52.759 the message that I'm trying to put across and trying 248 00:13:52.759 --> 00:13:57.879 to say to people. Don't disregard human circles because there 249 00:13:57.960 --> 00:14:01.840 is a high strangeness element. Actually when they're placed in 250 00:14:01.879 --> 00:14:05.960 these very very old ancient Neolithic and Megalithic sites like 251 00:14:06.039 --> 00:14:10.360 Stonehenge and Avery, where our four bears have been created 252 00:14:10.679 --> 00:14:12.360 like thousands of years before. 253 00:14:12.120 --> 00:14:16.200 Us, those places that they've been creating them out, like 254 00:14:16.200 --> 00:14:20.639 you mentioned Stone Hinge, those sites obviously meant something to 255 00:14:20.720 --> 00:14:23.000 the ancient peoples that built them in the first place. 256 00:14:25.200 --> 00:14:29.120 Absolutely, I mean it goes deeper than that. I mean, 257 00:14:29.799 --> 00:14:32.559 I'm not sure how you are aware of how much 258 00:14:32.559 --> 00:14:34.799 you are aware of Jack Vegae's work, but he basically 259 00:14:34.840 --> 00:14:38.759 says that what we now report as UFOs were being 260 00:14:38.799 --> 00:14:42.960 reported as fairy lights in medieval times and religious lights 261 00:14:42.960 --> 00:14:46.279 before that. Whatever it is that is here in this 262 00:14:46.360 --> 00:14:51.720 area Brandon has existed with us, probably since our inception, 263 00:14:52.480 --> 00:14:56.120 and I think that our four bears were far more 264 00:14:56.399 --> 00:14:59.879 tapped in to whatever it is that we've now forgotten 265 00:15:00.000 --> 00:15:03.480 because of our technocratic age, and I think that we 266 00:15:03.519 --> 00:15:08.720 are just we've just inherited the work of our forebears 267 00:15:08.879 --> 00:15:12.799 by mistake. None of this is by design. Whereas where 268 00:15:12.840 --> 00:15:15.519 they were building in stone and rock and those things 269 00:15:15.519 --> 00:15:19.080 have existed for four thousand, you know, six thousand years, 270 00:15:19.600 --> 00:15:22.240 our things are like temporary temples that only exist for 271 00:15:22.240 --> 00:15:24.919 a couple of weeks before they're cut out by the farmer. 272 00:15:25.159 --> 00:15:28.679 But it is interesting that when I do collate these 273 00:15:28.679 --> 00:15:33.240 strange reports from circle makers, they too tend to dissipate 274 00:15:33.919 --> 00:15:36.200 the further that I get away from the from the 275 00:15:36.279 --> 00:15:41.399 key Neolithic sites. And I've spoken to Italian artists and 276 00:15:41.440 --> 00:15:43.919 French artists, and I've said to them, I'm looking for 277 00:15:43.960 --> 00:15:48.159 strange reports for my substack in this book, and Brandon, 278 00:15:48.360 --> 00:15:50.440 they haven't got anything at all. 279 00:15:50.519 --> 00:15:52.879 There's no strangeness at all, which just seems. 280 00:15:52.600 --> 00:15:59.559 To be collated to where our ancient ancestors were doing 281 00:15:59.600 --> 00:16:02.200 the same sort of thing thousands of thousands a year ago. 282 00:16:03.679 --> 00:16:07.480 I've often wondered when it came to crop circles, because 283 00:16:07.919 --> 00:16:10.919 over here in America when I was growing up, everyone said, oh, 284 00:16:10.919 --> 00:16:14.080 they're made. People did it, There's not anything about it. 285 00:16:15.200 --> 00:16:19.600 You get some of these really in depth looking ones 286 00:16:19.639 --> 00:16:23.720 like it, the thought of a person creating them in 287 00:16:23.759 --> 00:16:26.399 a matter of a few hours just didn't seem realistic, 288 00:16:26.480 --> 00:16:31.480 just because of how intricate the designs were. But I 289 00:16:31.519 --> 00:16:33.480 think you guys have them over there in the UK 290 00:16:33.559 --> 00:16:39.080 too that are very like, highly detailed ones. And obviously 291 00:16:39.120 --> 00:16:41.000 when someone did it, you're gonna have the people to 292 00:16:41.120 --> 00:16:43.200 jump on the bandwagons and they go make their own 293 00:16:43.240 --> 00:16:46.120 and everything else. But there are instances over here where 294 00:16:46.120 --> 00:16:49.840 they've been found with weird traces of radiation. 295 00:16:51.960 --> 00:16:55.759 Yeah, we've Yeah, there's two things to consider there. Firstly, 296 00:16:57.039 --> 00:17:00.679 when they start to become more and more intricate in 297 00:17:00.759 --> 00:17:03.600 the nineties, and as the artists got better and better 298 00:17:03.639 --> 00:17:05.920 and better and they got onto like the fantastic stuff 299 00:17:05.920 --> 00:17:10.680 that was happening from about sort of nineteen ninety two onwards. 300 00:17:11.880 --> 00:17:15.279 I always thought, same as you, how the hell can too, 301 00:17:15.359 --> 00:17:17.319 because we had this thing of like Doug and Dave, 302 00:17:17.359 --> 00:17:19.240 where we had these two old guys that come and 303 00:17:19.279 --> 00:17:22.799 confess to the whole thing. You know, there's certain questions 304 00:17:22.799 --> 00:17:25.799 I've got about that whole that whole episode. So we 305 00:17:25.880 --> 00:17:28.240 had this trope then, oh it's a couple of piss 306 00:17:28.319 --> 00:17:32.240 blokes coming home from the pub. Now, what you've got 307 00:17:32.279 --> 00:17:35.759 to consider is that when you see a really bad 308 00:17:35.880 --> 00:17:40.759 crop circle, okay, it's probably a new team starting out okay, 309 00:17:40.799 --> 00:17:43.000 and they haven't got a clue what they're doing. And 310 00:17:43.119 --> 00:17:47.799 I always equated to Navana, you know, so Navana when 311 00:17:47.799 --> 00:17:51.599 they started, they could rehearse in the garage and not 312 00:17:51.640 --> 00:17:53.599 be and not be seen for six months and just 313 00:17:53.640 --> 00:17:54.480 make as many. 314 00:17:54.319 --> 00:17:55.519 Crap mos as you know. 315 00:17:55.599 --> 00:17:58.400 They could be rubbish, but they don't go out and 316 00:17:58.440 --> 00:18:02.519 play live until they're ready, whereas with grup circle teams, 317 00:18:02.559 --> 00:18:05.079 we don't have that luxury. You know, you're rehearsing from 318 00:18:05.160 --> 00:18:09.079 day one. So people are saying, well, that's obviously, you know, 319 00:18:09.640 --> 00:18:13.319 a man made circle, because it's really really terribly done. 320 00:18:13.759 --> 00:18:17.319 But that same team, when they get better, they'll be 321 00:18:17.400 --> 00:18:20.680 making circles that people think aren't made by people two 322 00:18:20.759 --> 00:18:24.000 years on now, when I made when I went out 323 00:18:24.000 --> 00:18:28.799 to do my first one or help on the first one, 324 00:18:29.279 --> 00:18:32.119 you then become aware of I couldn't do it the 325 00:18:32.200 --> 00:18:35.079 next day, but I could see how it was done. Okay, 326 00:18:35.240 --> 00:18:38.160 So it's this thing where you scale up. You know, 327 00:18:38.240 --> 00:18:41.119 I've seen I've been out in fifteen twenty man teams 328 00:18:41.160 --> 00:18:43.200 and they've all known what They've all known what they 329 00:18:43.279 --> 00:18:48.480 were doing. Okay, Now, as far as the radiation is concerned, 330 00:18:48.920 --> 00:18:50.880 I've tried to diget, I've tried to get I mean, 331 00:18:50.920 --> 00:18:53.200 you've got all these you've got this. A lot of 332 00:18:53.279 --> 00:18:56.960 pseudo science there is that the research community high behind 333 00:18:57.000 --> 00:18:59.720 because the research community don't want you to know that 334 00:18:59.799 --> 00:19:03.359 it's people because it goes against the money making narrative. 335 00:19:03.680 --> 00:19:04.279 So we have. 336 00:19:04.319 --> 00:19:09.440 Reports of radiation, although we don't know if they've actually 337 00:19:09.799 --> 00:19:12.640 measured radiation from outside the formation as well, it could 338 00:19:12.680 --> 00:19:13.640 be within the whole field. 339 00:19:13.720 --> 00:19:14.000 Okay. 340 00:19:15.039 --> 00:19:17.759 When you look at the papers, there's a lot of 341 00:19:17.799 --> 00:19:20.400 ambiguity in them. And then you've got the bent not 342 00:19:20.519 --> 00:19:23.599 broken argument. People say when in real corrupt circles, the 343 00:19:23.640 --> 00:19:26.640 crop is bent not broken because of the weight of 344 00:19:26.680 --> 00:19:30.920 the boards. But again that is kind of pseudoscience because 345 00:19:30.960 --> 00:19:35.559 when we actually create in the evening, the crop is 346 00:19:35.680 --> 00:19:39.240 very moist, so it does tend to bend rather than break, 347 00:19:39.640 --> 00:19:42.680 and when you go into a crop circle the next day, 348 00:19:42.720 --> 00:19:46.599 it is like it's like COSI, it's like a crime scene. 349 00:19:46.960 --> 00:19:49.640 It's literally a crime scene in that it's criminal damage. 350 00:19:49.640 --> 00:19:52.920 But also if you don't get in there before anyone 351 00:19:52.960 --> 00:19:55.680 else and you start seeing a load of a load 352 00:19:55.720 --> 00:20:00.240 of mess and footsteps and broken stems, what you're seeing 353 00:20:00.319 --> 00:20:03.039 there is not the work of the team. You're seeing 354 00:20:03.160 --> 00:20:05.000 the work of the all of the one hundred or 355 00:20:05.000 --> 00:20:06.960 two hundred people that have been in there before you, 356 00:20:07.000 --> 00:20:08.319 that have visited it in that morning. 357 00:20:08.799 --> 00:20:11.799 You know. So I hope that answers your question. 358 00:20:13.079 --> 00:20:19.400 Yeah. For me, it's just I guess, well you obviously 359 00:20:19.400 --> 00:20:24.480 can't answer, but like why did they start doing it? 360 00:20:25.480 --> 00:20:30.880 Yeah? See, this is where this is where I'm quite passionate. 361 00:20:30.920 --> 00:20:34.079 This is where the real mystery lies for me, because 362 00:20:35.559 --> 00:20:38.000 as with uthology, you know, you get reports. 363 00:20:38.640 --> 00:20:41.759 I'm deeply rooted in uthology, and you know you've. 364 00:20:41.559 --> 00:20:45.759 Probably heard about the tendency if people, if someone's a believer, 365 00:20:45.839 --> 00:20:48.119 they're more likely to see a UFO than if they're 366 00:20:48.119 --> 00:20:52.880 not right. And it's not misappropriation, and it's not you know, 367 00:20:53.039 --> 00:20:55.920 a miss Ida, it's just it seems to be Brandon. 368 00:20:56.039 --> 00:20:57.960 I'm not sure where you are with the phenomenon. 369 00:20:57.960 --> 00:21:02.559 But I've studied this for like four years, and I've 370 00:21:02.640 --> 00:21:05.720 gone a way, as a lot of key uthologists have. 371 00:21:06.759 --> 00:21:11.480 I went away from the extraterrestrial help hypothesis about ten 372 00:21:11.559 --> 00:21:14.799 or fifteen years into my studies. I don't think that 373 00:21:14.880 --> 00:21:17.799 it's ET. I think that it's something that masquerades as ET, 374 00:21:17.960 --> 00:21:21.119 and I think it's something that's coexisted with us and 375 00:21:21.160 --> 00:21:26.680 has been tracking and metamorphosizing itself based on where we 376 00:21:26.720 --> 00:21:30.359 are technology in the forms of technology, and I think 377 00:21:30.400 --> 00:21:33.279 it's been with us since our inception. Now to answer 378 00:21:33.319 --> 00:21:37.559 your question, we think that there is something else going 379 00:21:37.599 --> 00:21:41.400 on in that we're not circle makers. 380 00:21:41.480 --> 00:21:43.079 Human circle makers. 381 00:21:42.680 --> 00:21:47.279 Are not We're not chosen or anointed or special in 382 00:21:47.319 --> 00:21:50.000 any way. But it just seems to be that we 383 00:21:50.279 --> 00:21:54.359 if a person does have an affinity towards the paranormal 384 00:21:54.720 --> 00:21:58.920 and uthology and spiritual things, it just seems to be 385 00:21:59.799 --> 00:22:03.319 that we become more aligned with the phenomena and then 386 00:22:03.359 --> 00:22:04.920 we attract the phenomena. 387 00:22:05.279 --> 00:22:07.960 Okay, so we don't know. 388 00:22:08.759 --> 00:22:11.799 We think that those original single circles from the eighties, 389 00:22:11.880 --> 00:22:14.759 we think that they a lot of those were mysterious. 390 00:22:14.799 --> 00:22:18.200 We don't actually know what they were because the crop 391 00:22:18.319 --> 00:22:20.920 was bent upwards at like two or three inches sometimes, 392 00:22:20.920 --> 00:22:24.480 which can't be done by a board. But certainly anything 393 00:22:24.559 --> 00:22:27.440 sort of post nineteen ninety, which is the picturegrams and 394 00:22:27.519 --> 00:22:30.640 all the calendar stuff that you like, you know, that's 395 00:22:30.759 --> 00:22:36.680 that's arguably all man made. But nobody really knows where 396 00:22:37.319 --> 00:22:41.920 the genesis comes from or where the inspiration comes from. 397 00:22:42.359 --> 00:22:44.559 And the bit that I'm interested in is that the 398 00:22:44.599 --> 00:22:46.960 fact that people can go and make a crop circle 399 00:22:47.440 --> 00:22:49.960 and then somebody else has already been there and made 400 00:22:49.960 --> 00:22:54.359 that exact pattern or somebody as happened with me once 401 00:22:55.079 --> 00:22:57.240 we went to make a crop circle and it was 402 00:22:57.279 --> 00:23:01.279 supposed to be swallows. And then as soon as we 403 00:23:01.359 --> 00:23:04.759 got to the field, because you start at ten o'clock, 404 00:23:04.920 --> 00:23:08.039 you know you've got between ten and three o'clock to 405 00:23:08.039 --> 00:23:10.279 get it done, because you've got five hours of darkness 406 00:23:10.519 --> 00:23:11.960 when we get when we went to the edge of 407 00:23:12.000 --> 00:23:16.519 the field, our crop circle leader kind of had a 408 00:23:16.559 --> 00:23:19.359 spasm in his car. We went bolt upright and looked 409 00:23:19.359 --> 00:23:23.400 straight ahead and said, no, it's spirals now. So I said, well, 410 00:23:23.400 --> 00:23:26.119 we can't do spirals. We've been rehearsing swallows all day, 411 00:23:26.240 --> 00:23:28.880 he said, no, it's got to be spirals. And then 412 00:23:28.880 --> 00:23:31.440 we made us and then we made this crup circle, 413 00:23:32.000 --> 00:23:36.319 and then literally an identical circle was made that same night, 414 00:23:36.519 --> 00:23:39.640 like fourteen miles away. And that's where we start to 415 00:23:39.680 --> 00:23:42.480 think why and what else is going on? And then 416 00:23:42.599 --> 00:23:47.640 we get dream driven events where I had a situation 417 00:23:47.880 --> 00:23:52.599 where I was having this recurring out of body experience 418 00:23:52.720 --> 00:23:56.319 dream where I was swooping over two fields in Wiltshire 419 00:23:56.640 --> 00:23:59.319 and there were two massive crop circles in these fields, 420 00:24:00.559 --> 00:24:02.920 and I was having a dream and this guy that 421 00:24:03.000 --> 00:24:04.599 I used to go to school with was in my 422 00:24:04.720 --> 00:24:07.720 dream every time. But this guy from school, I hadn't 423 00:24:07.720 --> 00:24:11.240 thought of him for forty years. So I'd wake up thinking, God, 424 00:24:11.240 --> 00:24:13.680 it's that dream again, And by the way, what's my 425 00:24:13.759 --> 00:24:17.000 school friend doing there? And then one day I took 426 00:24:17.039 --> 00:24:20.920 a wrong turn when I was in Wheeltshair. Now, when 427 00:24:20.960 --> 00:24:24.960 you say wrong turn or mistake, that in our world 428 00:24:25.240 --> 00:24:27.279 is different, you know, to what most people sort of 429 00:24:27.480 --> 00:24:30.519 attributed to. It seems to be that wrong moves and 430 00:24:30.599 --> 00:24:33.319 mistakes seemed to be kind of engineered. So I took 431 00:24:33.319 --> 00:24:37.440 this wrong turn and I found myself looking at these 432 00:24:37.480 --> 00:24:40.319 actual two fields that have been recurring in my dream, 433 00:24:41.079 --> 00:24:43.240 and I looked to my left and I saw that 434 00:24:43.359 --> 00:24:46.240 the name of the road that I turned down was 435 00:24:46.559 --> 00:24:49.359 the same name of the road that my schoolfriend lived 436 00:24:49.400 --> 00:24:50.799 in when I used to go around his house to 437 00:24:50.839 --> 00:24:51.920 play forty years ago. 438 00:24:52.200 --> 00:24:54.319 And I thought, well, that's weird. 439 00:24:54.680 --> 00:24:57.240 But it spurred me to say, well, you need to 440 00:24:57.279 --> 00:25:01.480 do something. So I didn't have that the where with 441 00:25:01.640 --> 00:25:04.720 all the amount of people to do those two circles, 442 00:25:05.359 --> 00:25:08.319 so I decided I was going to do one of them, 443 00:25:08.839 --> 00:25:12.039 and I phoned my partner. I phoned the team. I said, look, 444 00:25:12.039 --> 00:25:15.319 we've got a choice of two. They're completely different. And 445 00:25:15.759 --> 00:25:17.759 it was like all the way through to the field 446 00:25:17.839 --> 00:25:20.519 we couldn't decide what to do. And then in the 447 00:25:20.640 --> 00:25:22.920 end I just kind of looked skywalk at it and 448 00:25:22.960 --> 00:25:25.559 just let my mind empty, and I thought, whichever stump 449 00:25:25.640 --> 00:25:27.960 goes down first, that's the circle I'm going to do, 450 00:25:28.559 --> 00:25:30.759 and then the next. So we finished one circle, and 451 00:25:30.799 --> 00:25:32.440 then the next day I got a phone call from 452 00:25:32.440 --> 00:25:36.039 my partner in London and she she said to me, Crush, 453 00:25:36.200 --> 00:25:38.039 you were busy last night. I said, yeah, we got 454 00:25:38.160 --> 00:25:40.160 we got one of my circles down from my dream, 455 00:25:40.720 --> 00:25:42.599 and she said, well, no, you didn't. You got both 456 00:25:42.680 --> 00:25:45.400 down And I said, no, we didn't. We got one down, 457 00:25:45.880 --> 00:25:48.359 and she goes, well, you better go online. So in 458 00:25:48.400 --> 00:25:51.319 those days it is before Wi Fi, so you had 459 00:25:51.319 --> 00:25:53.319 to drive to the nearest place with with it with 460 00:25:53.400 --> 00:25:56.039 the internet. So I found this internet cafe and I 461 00:25:56.079 --> 00:26:01.079 found an aerial shot and it had my crop circle 462 00:26:01.160 --> 00:26:04.960 in one field and then there was this stripe. Now 463 00:26:04.960 --> 00:26:09.640 what that stripe was was this massive hill where it 464 00:26:09.680 --> 00:26:12.519 was like I couldn't see what's going on the next 465 00:26:12.519 --> 00:26:14.319 field because we had this massive hill. So we had 466 00:26:14.559 --> 00:26:18.039 my field with my circle, then this stripe, and in 467 00:26:18.119 --> 00:26:20.839 the next field, which was obscured from me, my other 468 00:26:20.880 --> 00:26:23.960 crop circle was in there. So aily it was exactly 469 00:26:24.680 --> 00:26:27.279 as it occurred in my dream. And we didn't know 470 00:26:27.319 --> 00:26:30.839 about that team and they didn't know about us. Now, 471 00:26:31.079 --> 00:26:34.240 I don't know to this day if when all this 472 00:26:34.319 --> 00:26:37.920 strange stuff occurs, whether it's the species field and we 473 00:26:37.960 --> 00:26:44.039 are somehow unconsciously, you know, in interlepathy with the other team, 474 00:26:44.799 --> 00:26:48.319 or if there's something else at play and we're somehow 475 00:26:48.359 --> 00:26:49.200 being played. 476 00:26:49.480 --> 00:26:50.519 If you see what I mean. 477 00:26:51.799 --> 00:26:57.599 Yeah, you think this is kind of hypothetical. You've mentioned 478 00:26:59.599 --> 00:27:04.279 there's you believe that there's something with these things from 479 00:27:04.319 --> 00:27:06.720 that's been here the whole time, like not ets in general, 480 00:27:06.799 --> 00:27:10.160 but from doing my show, I've talked to a lot 481 00:27:10.200 --> 00:27:17.119 of people here and a lot of things anymore, especially 482 00:27:17.119 --> 00:27:20.119 when it comes to aliens, and it depends on they 483 00:27:20.160 --> 00:27:22.720 take it to a religious aspects, and I try, I 484 00:27:22.759 --> 00:27:28.119 try to avoid that, but they believe these ets are demonic, 485 00:27:28.400 --> 00:27:30.759 and then a lot of people think the same things. 486 00:27:30.799 --> 00:27:34.680 But if you go back through history, as you mentioned before, 487 00:27:35.720 --> 00:27:38.359 there's a lot of stories, especially through Europe, of faithfolk. 488 00:27:38.400 --> 00:27:40.279 And if you come over here to America and you 489 00:27:40.319 --> 00:27:43.640 talk to the Native Americans, they talked about the spirit realm, 490 00:27:44.240 --> 00:27:48.279 these spirits they had their ancestors, and there's also little legends, 491 00:27:48.279 --> 00:27:52.160 these other like things. I've always said, what if it's 492 00:27:52.279 --> 00:27:55.680 all one and the same. We all interpret it differently, 493 00:27:56.400 --> 00:27:59.759 but a lot of the things are based off of 494 00:27:59.839 --> 00:28:01.400 something that's always been here. 495 00:28:02.279 --> 00:28:06.279 I'm one hundred percent on I'm one hundred percent with you. 496 00:28:07.319 --> 00:28:10.480 The only thing that I'd say that throws a spanner 497 00:28:10.559 --> 00:28:13.400 in that world, but only a slight small spanner, is 498 00:28:13.440 --> 00:28:17.599 that I think that it is down to our interpretation. 499 00:28:18.000 --> 00:28:23.200 So where upon now we will see, you know, abductions 500 00:28:23.480 --> 00:28:29.119 with adductions from grays, the fayfolk or sorry, our ancestors 501 00:28:29.160 --> 00:28:32.640 in medieval times would call that away with the fairies. 502 00:28:32.680 --> 00:28:35.079 So the fairies would take them away, and then they 503 00:28:35.200 --> 00:28:38.400 come back changed. They'd be missing time that they come 504 00:28:38.440 --> 00:28:42.759 back what they thought was what they think is two 505 00:28:42.839 --> 00:28:44.920 days later, but it's years later as far as the 506 00:28:44.960 --> 00:28:48.279 locals go. So I am with you one hundred percent. 507 00:28:48.720 --> 00:28:52.680 But my one thing I'd add to that is that 508 00:28:52.720 --> 00:28:57.400 what if this whatever it is, this Nhi or this 509 00:28:57.559 --> 00:29:01.720 ancient whatever it is, what if it is deliberately projecting 510 00:29:01.759 --> 00:29:06.680 itself in a way that we then interpret it as 511 00:29:07.000 --> 00:29:10.480 something which is just beyond our capabilities. So if you 512 00:29:10.559 --> 00:29:15.240 look at perhaps the airship sightings from the eighteen nineties, 513 00:29:15.480 --> 00:29:19.319 which were UFO sightings, which I'm sure you're aware of, 514 00:29:19.880 --> 00:29:26.359 people were reporting those as before airships were a thing, Okay, 515 00:29:26.799 --> 00:29:30.240 So it just seems to be that this thing is 516 00:29:30.440 --> 00:29:34.640 placing itself just beyond where we are in terms of 517 00:29:35.480 --> 00:29:39.720 technological maturity and where we are within our religious mindsets. 518 00:29:40.119 --> 00:29:43.279 And I've always been very curious about the fact that 519 00:29:44.240 --> 00:29:47.599 it wasn't until nineteen forty seven with the Mount Rainier 520 00:29:47.759 --> 00:29:52.559 sighting and that was just two years after Hiroshima. It 521 00:29:52.680 --> 00:29:55.000 seems to be to me and to a lot of 522 00:29:55.079 --> 00:29:59.440 euthologists that we have somehow through our messing about with 523 00:29:59.559 --> 00:30:05.319 nuclear energy and you know, and Hiroshima, and it just 524 00:30:05.400 --> 00:30:10.000 seems to be that perhaps we've affected there's been ripples 525 00:30:10.000 --> 00:30:13.359 from our time, ripples from our plane if you like, that, 526 00:30:13.400 --> 00:30:16.400 have rippled into theirs, and then they have to manifest 527 00:30:16.480 --> 00:30:19.599 themselves as a way of sort of trying to control us. 528 00:30:19.759 --> 00:30:23.880 I've always thought it was really interesting that Kenneth Arnold 529 00:30:24.079 --> 00:30:27.519 did not report fly I repeat, he did not report 530 00:30:27.519 --> 00:30:32.720 flying saucers. He reported nine crescent shaped craft which moved 531 00:30:32.759 --> 00:30:35.200 as a circle would do if you skipch it over water. 532 00:30:35.799 --> 00:30:41.200 Why Brandon, why do we start seeing flying saucers? That is, 533 00:30:41.720 --> 00:30:44.559 you see what I mean? It seems to mold itself 534 00:30:44.640 --> 00:30:47.039 based on what we expect to see. Do you understand? 535 00:30:47.160 --> 00:30:50.000 Mm hmm. I've always thought, after I figured out the 536 00:30:50.039 --> 00:30:52.279 Kenneth Arnold thing, and I've interviewed someone else has done 537 00:30:52.319 --> 00:30:56.079 a lot of research into that too, that it was 538 00:30:56.160 --> 00:30:58.640 almost a way for them to control the narrative, Like 539 00:30:58.720 --> 00:31:02.240 they started pushing out lying saucers through the media and everything. 540 00:31:02.279 --> 00:31:06.359 But the original version was he saw these crescent moonsheep 541 00:31:06.519 --> 00:31:15.400 things and flying saucer now became cinemas with UFO siding saucers. 542 00:31:16.039 --> 00:31:18.119 That this is why I think there's some sort of 543 00:31:18.119 --> 00:31:23.920 manipulation going on. But it also relates to things outside euthology. 544 00:31:24.000 --> 00:31:26.319 I mean, why do we don't Why don't we see 545 00:31:26.440 --> 00:31:27.640 ectoplasm anymore? 546 00:31:27.839 --> 00:31:28.079 You know? 547 00:31:28.240 --> 00:31:32.319 For you know, why is it? And for and in uthology, 548 00:31:32.839 --> 00:31:35.200 where did the Nordics go from the fifties? Why are 549 00:31:35.200 --> 00:31:38.480 we seeing different types of aliens based on as we 550 00:31:38.480 --> 00:31:43.799 get progressively progressively more scientific. I think that as you say, 551 00:31:43.880 --> 00:31:48.880 I did an interview with a Faye podcast a few 552 00:31:48.880 --> 00:31:50.880 months ago, is one of the best I've done, and 553 00:31:51.039 --> 00:31:54.079 he aligns with everything you just said. It is it's 554 00:31:54.279 --> 00:31:58.359 just something which is pre existed with us since our 555 00:31:58.440 --> 00:32:01.759 inception and manifests its based on where we are, and 556 00:32:01.799 --> 00:32:04.960 that goes for youuthology, it goes for everything which we 557 00:32:05.079 --> 00:32:09.480 seem to which we see as paranormal. And I see 558 00:32:09.759 --> 00:32:14.960 parallels between the crop circles and euthology which spread out 559 00:32:14.960 --> 00:32:16.319 through the whole paranormal world. 560 00:32:16.759 --> 00:32:17.880 We are just kind of. 561 00:32:19.359 --> 00:32:22.640 Especially with the dream, especially with the synchronicitis that we 562 00:32:22.720 --> 00:32:25.400 get where you think, you know, there's some sort of 563 00:32:25.440 --> 00:32:29.440 engineering involved where we call it a game of chess, 564 00:32:29.519 --> 00:32:32.000 but we're not playing it. We're the pieces, but we 565 00:32:32.079 --> 00:32:37.319 don't know, you know. And the thing with the synchronicity 566 00:32:37.359 --> 00:32:39.799 is is you just could not engineer them. I mean, 567 00:32:39.880 --> 00:32:42.680 we had a situation where we were going to make 568 00:32:42.720 --> 00:32:44.960 a crop circle and it was a team of six 569 00:32:46.200 --> 00:32:49.279 and it was like a social event really because we 570 00:32:49.319 --> 00:32:52.720 only get to meet each other once a year. So 571 00:32:52.720 --> 00:32:55.000 we said, let's get this crop circle down. And it 572 00:32:55.039 --> 00:32:57.519 was like a celebration of Mother Earth and it was 573 00:32:57.559 --> 00:33:00.440 going to be brilliant, and we'd all work together before 574 00:33:00.680 --> 00:33:02.519 and it was going to We had a social We 575 00:33:02.519 --> 00:33:03.839 had a couple of pints at the pub. 576 00:33:03.880 --> 00:33:06.319 Didn't get drunk, obviously, you just had a couple of 577 00:33:06.400 --> 00:33:07.240 pints over a couple of. 578 00:33:07.279 --> 00:33:09.160 Hours, you talk about what you're going to be doing 579 00:33:09.160 --> 00:33:11.559 in the circle because you get like the people that 580 00:33:11.599 --> 00:33:13.960 measure it out, You get the inexperienced people stomping the 581 00:33:14.000 --> 00:33:16.240 stuff down and then they go into lead their own 582 00:33:16.279 --> 00:33:18.359 teams and blah blah blah, they get better and better. 583 00:33:18.759 --> 00:33:21.759 And anyway, what happened was there were six people all 584 00:33:21.839 --> 00:33:24.240 knew each other, and then one of us got a 585 00:33:24.240 --> 00:33:26.240 phone call and he went, oh shit, I've I've just 586 00:33:26.240 --> 00:33:29.240 got a text. I've forgotten I'm on another team tonight, 587 00:33:29.319 --> 00:33:33.319 I promised myself last year. So we lost him. And 588 00:33:33.359 --> 00:33:35.759 then somebody else said, oh shit, you know I'm on 589 00:33:35.759 --> 00:33:37.559 that team as well, so we lost him. So we 590 00:33:37.559 --> 00:33:42.119 were down before and then by chance, somebody phoned up 591 00:33:42.160 --> 00:33:43.920 a friend and said, oh, I'm in the area, and 592 00:33:43.960 --> 00:33:45.759 we said, get you to asks down here we needed 593 00:33:46.000 --> 00:33:49.160 and basically somebody else left and said, I've got a 594 00:33:49.160 --> 00:33:51.200 family matches. I said, we were one down, and then 595 00:33:51.240 --> 00:33:53.839 somebody else came in just by a chance. So to 596 00:33:53.839 --> 00:33:56.359 cut a long story short, the six people that went 597 00:33:56.400 --> 00:33:58.240 out were completely different to the six people that were 598 00:33:58.240 --> 00:33:59.759 supposed to be there in the first place. Over the 599 00:33:59.799 --> 00:34:02.160 course for an hour, the whole thing just changed, okay, 600 00:34:02.359 --> 00:34:05.000 like chess pieces. So we had six different people in there. 601 00:34:05.279 --> 00:34:07.799 So we were in the car in the suv, and 602 00:34:07.839 --> 00:34:10.360 we realized that we didn't know each other, which is 603 00:34:10.400 --> 00:34:13.320 crazy because you know, we were just strangers to each other. 604 00:34:13.400 --> 00:34:15.519 So it was a bit of an uncomfortable silence. And 605 00:34:15.519 --> 00:34:18.920 then one guy said, you know, if my mom knew 606 00:34:18.960 --> 00:34:21.000 what we were doing tonight. She'd be absolute, she'd be 607 00:34:21.039 --> 00:34:23.840 so proud because she was she was a spiritualist, and 608 00:34:23.880 --> 00:34:27.119 she'd be really into what we're doing. And I said, well, 609 00:34:27.159 --> 00:34:29.199 you know, you can bring it down next year, and 610 00:34:29.239 --> 00:34:32.360 he went no, because she passed away last year. And 611 00:34:32.400 --> 00:34:35.480 then I said, my mom passed away last year, And 612 00:34:35.519 --> 00:34:40.320 then like Spartacus, everybody in the van said the same thing. 613 00:34:40.719 --> 00:34:44.119 And then we and then like there's like shiver went 614 00:34:44.119 --> 00:34:46.239 through us because we realized that we both had this 615 00:34:46.360 --> 00:34:49.760 same loss within like twelve months. And then we realized 616 00:34:49.800 --> 00:34:52.360 that we were making a crop circle, which was a 617 00:34:52.360 --> 00:34:56.400 celebration of Mother Earth. And that's when that's where my bloods. 618 00:34:56.639 --> 00:34:58.119 That's where my brain starts to boil. 619 00:34:58.159 --> 00:35:02.199 Where we're going, What is is going on? Do you understand? 620 00:35:03.079 --> 00:35:07.840 Mm hmm, Like the similarities and the synchronicities. Yeah, it 621 00:35:08.000 --> 00:35:13.719 just made me start thinking of something and what like 622 00:35:13.760 --> 00:35:17.400 when you've made circles, what determines the design you're going 623 00:35:17.480 --> 00:35:20.760 to make? That just something that someone says, hey, I 624 00:35:20.760 --> 00:35:22.840 want to make this one. Is there a significance as 625 00:35:22.880 --> 00:35:25.519 to why? Because well, if you'd have asked me that. 626 00:35:27.039 --> 00:35:29.320 Before I started to make them, I'd have said, well, 627 00:35:29.400 --> 00:35:33.360 you know, I've got a different answer now, and that is, firstly, 628 00:35:33.679 --> 00:35:37.239 we've got to consider this one thing. The circle making 629 00:35:37.320 --> 00:35:43.440 season is between sort of May and early September if 630 00:35:43.440 --> 00:35:46.119 you're lucky. Now, the first couple of circles are normally 631 00:35:46.159 --> 00:35:50.119 made in that horrible cranola canola yellow stuff. It's really 632 00:35:50.360 --> 00:35:54.039 hard to bend. The stems are like broom handles. It's 633 00:35:54.320 --> 00:35:56.880 and it springs up, and then you start to get 634 00:35:56.880 --> 00:35:59.000 the decent stuff. You start to get the barley and 635 00:35:59.000 --> 00:36:00.800 the wheat, and that's the stuff that stays down and 636 00:36:00.840 --> 00:36:02.559 that's the stuff that you know, what you see the 637 00:36:02.559 --> 00:36:07.280 great circles. So we've got from September until kind of 638 00:36:07.360 --> 00:36:10.559 March to work out what we're going to do. So 639 00:36:13.280 --> 00:36:15.639 what you think is sometimes your idea, you go to 640 00:36:15.679 --> 00:36:17.719 the field and then and then and then you speak 641 00:36:17.760 --> 00:36:21.159 to because the crupt circle community isn't as close knit 642 00:36:21.239 --> 00:36:21.960 as you think. 643 00:36:22.119 --> 00:36:23.480 You know, there's separate teams. 644 00:36:23.519 --> 00:36:26.719 But sometimes you'll say, well, we're going to make this circle, 645 00:36:26.760 --> 00:36:28.840 and then someone said, well, you've nicked that from Sicide 646 00:36:28.840 --> 00:36:31.639 because he's doing that this year. And then somebody else 647 00:36:31.679 --> 00:36:33.960 has got the same thing. And so the answer to 648 00:36:34.000 --> 00:36:38.239 your question is what you think is like an original inspiration. 649 00:36:38.400 --> 00:36:41.480 Sometimes it gets back to exactly what we're talking about. 650 00:36:41.559 --> 00:36:45.400 Where why are three people having the same idea? Why 651 00:36:46.000 --> 00:36:47.760 and why is that theme there. 652 00:36:47.599 --> 00:36:48.320 For that year? 653 00:36:48.719 --> 00:36:50.800 And then sometimes what will happen around and you get 654 00:36:50.880 --> 00:36:55.440 back to this mistake thing right where you go to 655 00:36:55.480 --> 00:36:58.039 make a circle in a particular field and then you 656 00:36:58.079 --> 00:37:00.719 can't get to that field because there's a roadblock or 657 00:37:00.760 --> 00:37:01.920 there's a flood. 658 00:37:01.880 --> 00:37:02.559 Any whatever. 659 00:37:03.599 --> 00:37:06.400 And then as a compromise, because you're all in the 660 00:37:06.400 --> 00:37:09.440 car and you go, well, we can't actually arrange to 661 00:37:09.440 --> 00:37:11.920 meet for another week or two, We've got to do something. 662 00:37:12.159 --> 00:37:14.719 The team leader will say, look, let's just let's just 663 00:37:14.719 --> 00:37:17.320 do it here. Okay, let's just do it here instead. 664 00:37:17.719 --> 00:37:22.320 And then you find out that that compromised location has 665 00:37:22.360 --> 00:37:25.199 a direct significance to the image that you've put in 666 00:37:25.199 --> 00:37:28.880 that particular field, because it's significant to the dates, or 667 00:37:28.920 --> 00:37:30.440 it's significant to something. 668 00:37:30.239 --> 00:37:30.920 In the area. 669 00:37:31.440 --> 00:37:36.800 So again you think what's going on? You know, so 670 00:37:37.559 --> 00:37:39.840 you think it's your idea of the time, and then 671 00:37:39.880 --> 00:37:41.800 you find out that another three people have had the 672 00:37:41.840 --> 00:37:42.440 same idea. 673 00:37:44.480 --> 00:37:49.000 I've wondered and I don't remember if I read this somewhere, 674 00:37:49.039 --> 00:37:50.920 if I watched a show or i'd heard it on 675 00:37:50.960 --> 00:37:59.480 a different podcast, but someone was hypothesizing that these things 676 00:37:59.559 --> 00:38:01.760 are which I think they were more still on the 677 00:38:01.760 --> 00:38:05.639 side of their ets doing it. But these things were 678 00:38:05.679 --> 00:38:11.920 supposed to be some sort of ancient sigils or Yeah, 679 00:38:12.000 --> 00:38:17.159 they were supposed to be like for rituals for summoning things, 680 00:38:19.480 --> 00:38:22.679 but they weren't talking about people doing it. Yeah, if 681 00:38:22.719 --> 00:38:25.000 you take that aspect to it, people are doing it. 682 00:38:25.039 --> 00:38:29.519 And you just mentioned like multiple people having the same idea. 683 00:38:30.320 --> 00:38:32.960 Maybe it is condicted to it to where you're all 684 00:38:33.000 --> 00:38:35.119 making the same thing because it is like a situle, 685 00:38:35.280 --> 00:38:37.280 like a ritual that you're all connected to it. 686 00:38:38.440 --> 00:38:38.800 See. 687 00:38:38.880 --> 00:38:41.519 I know that your lists are going to be disappointed 688 00:38:41.559 --> 00:38:44.039 to find out that it's humans, Okay, But what I'd 689 00:38:44.079 --> 00:38:47.440 say to that is that if you just where I 690 00:38:47.559 --> 00:38:52.199 used to think it was et or nature spirits or gaia. 691 00:38:52.440 --> 00:38:55.679 When I found out that that it was people, I 692 00:38:55.760 --> 00:38:59.599 was really really angry and annoyed because I thought I've 693 00:38:59.639 --> 00:39:02.239 wasted ten years of my life studying this thing and 694 00:39:02.280 --> 00:39:05.880 it's ET. And I was really angry for about ten 695 00:39:05.920 --> 00:39:08.400 minutes because I was down in the area when I 696 00:39:08.400 --> 00:39:10.599 find out when I fact when the scales fell from 697 00:39:10.599 --> 00:39:14.360 my eyes and I realized what was going on. I 698 00:39:14.440 --> 00:39:16.760 was annoyed for ten minutes, and then I thought, hold 699 00:39:16.800 --> 00:39:22.559 on a minute, if you actually include or put humans 700 00:39:22.599 --> 00:39:26.320 in here as a component, all of the other stuff 701 00:39:26.360 --> 00:39:27.000 is still there. 702 00:39:27.480 --> 00:39:27.880 Okay. 703 00:39:28.000 --> 00:39:31.000 So by having the humans in here as just a 704 00:39:31.000 --> 00:39:36.320 component of a bigger mysterious picture, it actually makes birth 705 00:39:36.440 --> 00:39:39.400 UFOs look quite boring. It means the mystery is a 706 00:39:39.440 --> 00:39:44.199 thousand times deeper than you think it is. And when 707 00:39:44.199 --> 00:39:47.039 we do a circle, what you're saying is true. It 708 00:39:47.119 --> 00:39:49.599 is es sigil, but maybe we don't know it is. 709 00:39:49.679 --> 00:39:52.960 We just had the idea inverted commas. And then we 710 00:39:53.079 --> 00:39:56.920 find out that that particular image is of massive significance 711 00:39:57.079 --> 00:40:00.480 to where we've placed it, and we think that the 712 00:40:00.519 --> 00:40:03.719 work of our four bears. I'll say it again. We're 713 00:40:03.719 --> 00:40:07.000 living in a technocratic age now where we've forgotten everything, 714 00:40:07.119 --> 00:40:10.519 everything spiritual, and all of this knowledge that our four 715 00:40:10.559 --> 00:40:11.199 bears had. 716 00:40:11.960 --> 00:40:15.280 We just think that the. 717 00:40:14.159 --> 00:40:19.119 Circles act as schedules to like reboot the energy that's 718 00:40:19.199 --> 00:40:19.840 already there. 719 00:40:20.400 --> 00:40:20.880 Okay. 720 00:40:21.039 --> 00:40:23.079 And it's like, because we've got we've got the highest 721 00:40:23.079 --> 00:40:25.679 concentration of lay lines in Europe, you know in abury, 722 00:40:26.079 --> 00:40:29.199 and it just seems to be that they're like jump leads, 723 00:40:29.199 --> 00:40:34.400 if you like, they're like batteries. And the reason why 724 00:40:34.559 --> 00:40:37.119 we make crop circles look as if they're not man 725 00:40:37.239 --> 00:40:40.840 made because people put iron filings in them, and they 726 00:40:41.079 --> 00:40:43.039 you know, they make they'll do everything they can to 727 00:40:43.079 --> 00:40:45.719 make it look as if it's not people is because 728 00:40:45.920 --> 00:40:51.719 when people think it's people, there's no magic instilled into them. Okay, 729 00:40:52.519 --> 00:40:54.519 they need to be seen as being not man made 730 00:40:54.599 --> 00:40:57.719 for them to have the effect on people. Now, people 731 00:40:57.760 --> 00:40:59.360 say to me, well, in that case, why the hell 732 00:40:59.360 --> 00:41:01.599 are you on the shows telling people that it is people? 733 00:41:01.920 --> 00:41:05.639 And that's because we've had forty years of this now, okay, 734 00:41:06.159 --> 00:41:12.199 and we've had forty years of pseudoscience. And what we're 735 00:41:12.239 --> 00:41:15.079 saying is if you put us into the equation and 736 00:41:15.159 --> 00:41:18.800 you think of as actually instilling schedules into an ancient, 737 00:41:19.000 --> 00:41:23.559 already magical area, the mystery is far deeper than you 738 00:41:23.639 --> 00:41:28.039 think it is. And there are strong parallels between this 739 00:41:28.119 --> 00:41:29.599 and eupology as well. 740 00:41:31.480 --> 00:41:35.639 Not to try and connect that into what ancient people 741 00:41:35.760 --> 00:41:38.239 have done, but I can't think exactly. I know it's 742 00:41:38.280 --> 00:41:41.199 in South America. I think it's maybe prove the Nascal. 743 00:41:40.880 --> 00:41:46.760 Line the Masca lines. Yeah, now the Mascal lines are see, 744 00:41:47.239 --> 00:41:49.559 it depends on how far how deep you want to go. 745 00:41:49.679 --> 00:41:51.679 But I mean, I've heard people say that they are 746 00:41:51.719 --> 00:41:55.760 actually portals. And we've got a band in our country 747 00:41:55.760 --> 00:42:00.000 called Killing Joke, and they're a band very much true 748 00:42:00.239 --> 00:42:04.159 by numerology. All their songs are based on, you know, 749 00:42:04.360 --> 00:42:09.679 certain mathematical schedules themselves sort of thing. And the singer 750 00:42:10.039 --> 00:42:14.840 Jazz Coleman actually went and stayed within the abdomen of 751 00:42:15.000 --> 00:42:19.239 the spider, within the Nasca lines, and he says he's 752 00:42:19.280 --> 00:42:23.840 convinced that it's ay that that they are portals. So 753 00:42:23.960 --> 00:42:26.920 there was strong parallels between the Nasca lines, you know, 754 00:42:27.119 --> 00:42:28.679 and what we're doing as well. 755 00:42:28.719 --> 00:42:34.320 We think there's a lot of places that are supposedly 756 00:42:34.400 --> 00:42:37.320 like very high energy, Like there's Sedona, Arizona here in 757 00:42:37.360 --> 00:42:39.280 the States that people claim that they go out there 758 00:42:39.280 --> 00:42:41.239 and they feel like there's portals there, and then there's 759 00:42:41.599 --> 00:42:44.280 other locations. I know, the TV show kind of blows 760 00:42:44.280 --> 00:42:48.199 it out of proportion, but there's yeah, they claim there's 761 00:42:48.199 --> 00:42:51.400 something to do with that, and there's these high energy areas. 762 00:42:52.320 --> 00:42:58.000 So I'm wondering maybe these things are always there and 763 00:42:58.079 --> 00:43:01.880 for some reason unknown to you guys, that you're being 764 00:43:01.960 --> 00:43:08.760 drawn in to do these sigils, these crop circles, because 765 00:43:08.840 --> 00:43:12.800 that's something that polds you to it without explaining it 766 00:43:12.840 --> 00:43:14.880 other than the fact that, like what made them make 767 00:43:14.920 --> 00:43:18.800 these big designs in Peru that no one could see 768 00:43:18.880 --> 00:43:20.760 unless you're in the air, and back when they made them, 769 00:43:20.800 --> 00:43:22.840 no one would have seen them. There shouldn't have been 770 00:43:22.880 --> 00:43:25.920 anything in the air. But they were compelled to do 771 00:43:25.960 --> 00:43:28.000 something like that. Just same thing with like stone, like 772 00:43:28.039 --> 00:43:32.440 all these different megalithic things too, is what caused people 773 00:43:32.480 --> 00:43:34.519 to do that? And I've thought this with pyramids over 774 00:43:34.559 --> 00:43:38.199 the time, like why were the ancients across the whole 775 00:43:38.199 --> 00:43:42.920 world in China, Egypt, South America they all were building 776 00:43:42.960 --> 00:43:46.400 like these pyramids, Like we evolved, Yeah, we evolved to 777 00:43:46.559 --> 00:43:49.480 build these pyramids. Like the ancient people are building these 778 00:43:50.159 --> 00:43:55.639 pyramid type structures. But why was it across the whole world? 779 00:43:55.679 --> 00:43:58.159 How did they all know to build a pyramid? You'd 780 00:43:58.159 --> 00:43:59.800 think some things would be a little different here and 781 00:43:59.800 --> 00:44:02.519 there for some reason that at the same timeframes or whatever, 782 00:44:02.559 --> 00:44:06.159 over a couple hundreds of years, they were building similar structures. 783 00:44:07.400 --> 00:44:11.000 Yeah, it goes to it also goes towards I mean, 784 00:44:11.000 --> 00:44:12.639 I'm not sure how true this is, but I think 785 00:44:12.679 --> 00:44:17.840 there's some weight to it. When when John Logibad put 786 00:44:17.880 --> 00:44:20.679 in the patent for the television, apparently they were already 787 00:44:21.119 --> 00:44:24.039 two or three patterns pending from people that had the 788 00:44:24.079 --> 00:44:26.000 same idea in other parts of the world that hadn't 789 00:44:26.000 --> 00:44:30.119 known about each other. So there's that implantation thing. But 790 00:44:32.480 --> 00:44:35.320 what you're saying is true, And what when when you 791 00:44:35.320 --> 00:44:38.159 talk about the compulsion thing, Obviously what were you doing 792 00:44:38.960 --> 00:44:41.000 once the circles are down? They only exist for a 793 00:44:41.000 --> 00:44:44.440 week or two before they harvested, you know. But sometimes 794 00:44:44.480 --> 00:44:46.760 we are some I mean when I started doing them, 795 00:44:47.159 --> 00:44:50.119 I mean I'd be pulled. You know, I've got I've 796 00:44:50.119 --> 00:44:51.639 got a friend who has like pulled out of bed 797 00:44:51.679 --> 00:44:54.440 one like to do something, you know, the compulsion was 798 00:44:54.599 --> 00:44:59.280 so strong. And then you get other days where you think, oh, 799 00:44:59.280 --> 00:45:00.840 I'm definitely going to do it tonight because I've got 800 00:45:00.840 --> 00:45:05.320 a team, and then you don't feel like it, or 801 00:45:05.559 --> 00:45:09.400 something happens and somebody has a family disaster or then 802 00:45:09.480 --> 00:45:12.719 and then I go out tomorrow, and then when tomorrow comes, 803 00:45:12.760 --> 00:45:17.679 then you feel absolutely drawn and compelled your polls and 804 00:45:17.719 --> 00:45:19.639 then you find out, oh, it had to be done 805 00:45:19.679 --> 00:45:22.639 on that date because that date is significant to the 806 00:45:22.679 --> 00:45:26.320 fill we put it in, you know. So so yeah, 807 00:45:26.599 --> 00:45:31.559 I had a situation. I am see what, see what 808 00:45:31.639 --> 00:45:33.599 The stuff I'm talking about brand is very hard to 809 00:45:33.679 --> 00:45:36.119 sort of scientifically sort of measure, you know, because it's 810 00:45:36.119 --> 00:45:38.960 all based on the psyche. And I think that that 811 00:45:39.000 --> 00:45:42.599 whatever this phenomenon is and in upology is actually deep 812 00:45:42.679 --> 00:45:47.440 sitting in the human psyche. But where my interest lies 813 00:45:47.519 --> 00:45:51.960 is talking to I spoke to a circle maker and 814 00:45:52.000 --> 00:45:54.320 he said that he was in bed one night and 815 00:45:54.360 --> 00:45:59.920 he had this compulsion, as you say, absolutely overwhelming compulsion. 816 00:46:00.440 --> 00:46:02.559 At midnight he woke up and he had this He 817 00:46:02.599 --> 00:46:07.440 felt as if he'd been shaken awake, and he said, 818 00:46:07.480 --> 00:46:09.280 I felt like there was a presence in the room, 819 00:46:09.400 --> 00:46:11.760 like not like when you see polter gast activity or 820 00:46:11.760 --> 00:46:13.599 ghost he said, but there was there was no apparition. 821 00:46:13.960 --> 00:46:16.159 But I just had the sense that I wasn't alone, 822 00:46:17.199 --> 00:46:19.960 and I had this compulsion to go and make a 823 00:46:19.960 --> 00:46:21.840 crop circle. It was midnight and then but I thought 824 00:46:21.840 --> 00:46:24.840 to myself, I don't want to. I'm slug in bed. 825 00:46:24.880 --> 00:46:27.719 There's nowhere i'd like I'd less want to be right 826 00:46:27.760 --> 00:46:31.119 now than slugging away in the field. But this compulsion 827 00:46:31.239 --> 00:46:35.360 did not stop. But he said it wasn't pleasant. He 828 00:46:35.400 --> 00:46:37.320 said it was like when your cat wants feeding and 829 00:46:37.360 --> 00:46:38.760 it's not going to stop until you get up and 830 00:46:38.760 --> 00:46:40.280 get it food. He said it was there was nothing 831 00:46:41.000 --> 00:46:43.400 spiritual about it. It just he said that he had 832 00:46:43.440 --> 00:46:45.719 to give in and get up. So he got the 833 00:46:45.800 --> 00:46:47.719 kit out of the car and he went and walked 834 00:46:47.719 --> 00:46:51.280 towards this field, which was ridiculous because it was like, 835 00:46:51.480 --> 00:46:53.199 you know, sort of one in the morning, and like, 836 00:46:53.280 --> 00:46:55.719 you know, he's got his boards with him because you 837 00:46:55.760 --> 00:46:57.679 can't rustle up a team at that time of night, 838 00:46:57.760 --> 00:47:00.039 you know. And and anyway, he said, he went to 839 00:47:00.079 --> 00:47:04.119 do this formation. He had this very clear image as 840 00:47:04.119 --> 00:47:07.119 to what he wanted to do in his mind, and 841 00:47:07.159 --> 00:47:09.760 he said he got bored of walking, so we went 842 00:47:09.800 --> 00:47:12.880 to this other field which was similar to the one 843 00:47:12.920 --> 00:47:14.920 he was supposed to go to, and he said the 844 00:47:14.960 --> 00:47:17.199 second he got into the field, there was this nausea. 845 00:47:17.360 --> 00:47:19.239 He felt sick. He didn't throw up, but it was 846 00:47:19.239 --> 00:47:23.480 close to he was really ill. So and then when 847 00:47:23.480 --> 00:47:25.519 he come out of the field and sort of went okay, 848 00:47:25.559 --> 00:47:28.679 I'll go to the other field that Nauser stopped. And 849 00:47:28.719 --> 00:47:30.960 then when he went to the actual field that he 850 00:47:31.119 --> 00:47:35.360 was summoned to, he started to make this circle. And 851 00:47:35.400 --> 00:47:39.320 because he was doing it by himself, he actually used 852 00:47:39.480 --> 00:47:42.280 tank pads to do the measuring, when normally you have 853 00:47:42.400 --> 00:47:44.360 to put a temp peck in a tent peg in 854 00:47:44.400 --> 00:47:46.639 the ground and then take the tape out of that 855 00:47:46.760 --> 00:47:50.039 to measure to do your measurements. And he said, he 856 00:47:50.119 --> 00:47:52.280 got this circle done, and it was a little bit 857 00:47:52.280 --> 00:47:55.880 beyond his capability, but it was like as soon as 858 00:47:55.880 --> 00:47:58.119 he started to make it, he had this energy rush. 859 00:47:58.199 --> 00:48:00.719 And that's that's common if you look at the the 860 00:48:00.760 --> 00:48:05.519 literature were circle makers, people get energy rushes. And he 861 00:48:05.519 --> 00:48:08.199 said he got the circle done, and he pretty much 862 00:48:08.239 --> 00:48:11.079 sort of dropped dropped, dropped asleep on the spot at 863 00:48:11.079 --> 00:48:14.039 about three am. And then the next day he woke 864 00:48:14.119 --> 00:48:16.440 up and there was a group of girls freaking out 865 00:48:17.239 --> 00:48:20.519 and they were in his circle and they were going mental. 866 00:48:20.639 --> 00:48:22.800 They were going to do lally in a really happy way. 867 00:48:23.440 --> 00:48:25.480 And he went up and walked up to them, just 868 00:48:25.519 --> 00:48:28.360 pretending that he'd just fallen asleep under the tree and 869 00:48:28.400 --> 00:48:31.079 he just got there and they said, look, look, look, 870 00:48:31.679 --> 00:48:35.159 he said, well, it's it's toill himself. He thought, well, 871 00:48:35.159 --> 00:48:36.960 it's quite a good circle, but it's not worth all 872 00:48:37.000 --> 00:48:37.519 the all. 873 00:48:37.440 --> 00:48:38.440 The fuss they're making. 874 00:48:39.159 --> 00:48:43.000 And it turns out that they were Pagans Brandon, they 875 00:48:43.000 --> 00:48:49.000 were Wickans, and they'd been meditating the previous night on 876 00:48:49.159 --> 00:48:52.320 getting this particular schedule down in this field which was 877 00:48:52.360 --> 00:48:57.920 next to them, and one of the girls was grappling 878 00:48:57.920 --> 00:49:00.400 around her neck and she said, this is that we 879 00:49:00.400 --> 00:49:02.719 were meditating on it. This was what we meditated on. 880 00:49:03.000 --> 00:49:05.559 And obviously the sidual was the same thing that he 881 00:49:05.639 --> 00:49:08.599 had in his mind to do. And that's where that's 882 00:49:08.639 --> 00:49:10.360 the bit that I'm interested in, right, I think, in 883 00:49:10.440 --> 00:49:13.800 what is going on? Is there telepathy between us and 884 00:49:13.840 --> 00:49:18.079 other people? Or is this something else at play? 885 00:49:18.320 --> 00:49:18.559 You know? 886 00:49:20.559 --> 00:49:23.119 I just feel like there's some sort of connection with everything, 887 00:49:23.880 --> 00:49:29.679 especially with if you look at it from a from 888 00:49:29.760 --> 00:49:34.239 outside looking in, you hear the stories of the connections 889 00:49:34.280 --> 00:49:37.119 here just even like throughout the years and everything else, 890 00:49:37.880 --> 00:49:40.000 I've always been seen here in the last year or 891 00:49:40.000 --> 00:49:42.519 two that I feel like everything somehow is connected, when 892 00:49:42.559 --> 00:49:46.159 even with like the paranormal aspects to the UFO aspects, 893 00:49:46.280 --> 00:49:49.719 who people are recording seeing these cryptid type creatures or whatever, 894 00:49:50.719 --> 00:49:51.960 there is something at play. 895 00:49:53.400 --> 00:49:56.360 You think it's Do you think it's strange that? I mean, 896 00:49:56.800 --> 00:50:00.079 you've probably been into into the subject for us as 897 00:50:00.079 --> 00:50:01.880 long as I have a right, although I might be 898 00:50:01.920 --> 00:50:04.639 a bit older than you. When I was a kid, 899 00:50:04.679 --> 00:50:06.920 when I was like, you know, talking to people about 900 00:50:07.679 --> 00:50:12.000 UFOs and Kelly Hopkinsville and you know, all all of 901 00:50:11.840 --> 00:50:17.119 the classic literature and like the Leny Sakura event. You know, 902 00:50:19.199 --> 00:50:21.440 my friendship thought I was mad. You know, they just 903 00:50:21.480 --> 00:50:24.599 thought I was. But now they sort of say to me, 904 00:50:25.039 --> 00:50:28.639 you know, I think I saw something, or you know, 905 00:50:29.000 --> 00:50:31.280 they go, can you actually explain to me a little 906 00:50:31.320 --> 00:50:34.119 bit more about it? And it's like people seem to 907 00:50:34.159 --> 00:50:36.920 be much more receptive to it now. And there's a 908 00:50:36.960 --> 00:50:41.440 lot more sightings and citings to contradict what I've said 909 00:50:41.480 --> 00:50:45.039 to you before, sightings made by people that aren't believers. 910 00:50:45.119 --> 00:50:49.480 I just think there's been an acceleration or a concentration 911 00:50:50.239 --> 00:50:55.760 within paranormal activity and people's perception towards it over only 912 00:50:55.840 --> 00:50:58.480 maybe just the past ten years. Would you agree with that? 913 00:50:58.880 --> 00:51:02.800 I would yes, But isn't that strange in itself? Don't 914 00:51:02.840 --> 00:51:03.280 you think? 915 00:51:04.400 --> 00:51:07.159 I wonder and I think I've mentioned this before on 916 00:51:07.199 --> 00:51:12.519 a different episode, but maybe it's because it's more mainstream now, 917 00:51:12.559 --> 00:51:16.719 it's being more wider accepted. But by also being out 918 00:51:16.760 --> 00:51:19.280 there more, more people are becoming aware of it, and 919 00:51:19.280 --> 00:51:22.440 once you become aware of it, you're more susceptible to 920 00:51:22.559 --> 00:51:24.239 having an experience of something. 921 00:51:25.559 --> 00:51:29.000 Yeah, I did an interview with them. 922 00:51:29.440 --> 00:51:31.519 I did a really nice podcast interview a couple of 923 00:51:31.559 --> 00:51:35.519 months ago with the odd Bull people of the odd 924 00:51:35.559 --> 00:51:38.280 Ball Shop it's called or the Oddity Shop and what 925 00:51:38.639 --> 00:51:41.159 what what we said there was. But because we're talking 926 00:51:41.199 --> 00:51:45.079 today about you know, a high strangeness environment, I crop 927 00:51:45.119 --> 00:51:49.239 circles being like a theater of the strange. What a 928 00:51:49.320 --> 00:51:53.480 tendency that I might have is to actually equate strangeness 929 00:51:53.519 --> 00:51:57.079 with crop circles because it's within the crop circle environment. Now, 930 00:51:57.119 --> 00:51:59.119 that could be a fault on my part because it 931 00:51:59.159 --> 00:52:01.599 could be that if you were to make a list 932 00:52:01.639 --> 00:52:03.559 of ten weird things that happened to you in the 933 00:52:03.599 --> 00:52:07.679 week just going about your daily business, Okay, it could 934 00:52:07.760 --> 00:52:11.559 be the same as ten days in the fields. It 935 00:52:11.719 --> 00:52:14.840 just seems to be that there are more people experience 936 00:52:14.920 --> 00:52:15.239 more in. 937 00:52:15.239 --> 00:52:16.400 Terms of synchronicities. 938 00:52:16.440 --> 00:52:18.760 Now, you know, you know, you know the thing about 939 00:52:18.800 --> 00:52:22.199 when you you see us, you're in the street and 940 00:52:22.199 --> 00:52:24.559 then you see somebody and you think, god, I've not 941 00:52:24.599 --> 00:52:26.760 seen them for forty years, and then you go, oh, no, 942 00:52:26.840 --> 00:52:29.639 it's not them, and then you do see them half 943 00:52:29.679 --> 00:52:31.000 an hour later, you know. 944 00:52:33.039 --> 00:52:35.679 I think that. Yeah, it's almost like a deja vu 945 00:52:35.760 --> 00:52:36.239 type thing. 946 00:52:37.239 --> 00:52:40.400 Yeah, yeah, I think I think people are connecting the 947 00:52:40.440 --> 00:52:42.800 dots more than they used to because there's more of 948 00:52:42.840 --> 00:52:46.800 a like you say, it's more mainstream. But a mainstream 949 00:52:46.840 --> 00:52:51.719 phenomenon wouldn't necessarily result in genuine sightings, would it. 950 00:52:51.719 --> 00:52:52.920 It might, It might. 951 00:52:53.000 --> 00:52:58.760 Result in in miss IDs or you know, misattriputations, but 952 00:52:59.639 --> 00:53:02.679 I don't think a concentration in the mainstream would actually 953 00:53:02.679 --> 00:53:06.719 result in genuine sightings. 954 00:53:06.880 --> 00:53:13.360 Do you think whatever this is, like, whatever people experience 955 00:53:13.480 --> 00:53:16.480 or see, do you think everyone interprets it differently just 956 00:53:16.599 --> 00:53:20.800 to what they are accustomed to see. And I mean 957 00:53:20.840 --> 00:53:24.920 this in this sense that say someone said they saw 958 00:53:24.960 --> 00:53:30.280 an alien, or someone said they saw a little person 959 00:53:31.079 --> 00:53:34.960 like a faithfolk, or someone claims they saw a bigfoot, 960 00:53:35.440 --> 00:53:38.119 and all these things have the same instance where they 961 00:53:38.199 --> 00:53:43.360 just vanish, even like a ghost apparition. They saw an apparition, 962 00:53:43.519 --> 00:53:48.760 it just vanishes. Maybe our minds can only interpret what 963 00:53:48.840 --> 00:53:51.480 it's programmed or what they're projecting us to interpret it 964 00:53:51.639 --> 00:53:55.199 as like it projects whatever it wants us to think 965 00:53:55.280 --> 00:53:57.440 that it is, or we can only see it as 966 00:53:57.519 --> 00:53:59.760 a certain aspect of it. 967 00:54:00.079 --> 00:54:01.280 Three things I'd say to that. 968 00:54:02.000 --> 00:54:05.639 First one is that I've done a lot of I 969 00:54:05.679 --> 00:54:07.599 know we touched on it before, but I have done 970 00:54:07.599 --> 00:54:08.119 a lot of. 971 00:54:10.000 --> 00:54:11.440 Christian based podcasts. 972 00:54:11.519 --> 00:54:15.360 Okay, where to them, the interpretation of that that they're 973 00:54:15.360 --> 00:54:18.119 convinced that what I'm talking about is demonology and they 974 00:54:18.159 --> 00:54:20.800 think that I'm channeling really evil stuff. 975 00:54:21.079 --> 00:54:24.000 Okay, but that's from their interpretation. 976 00:54:24.519 --> 00:54:27.280 And they're really nice people, and I'm not going to 977 00:54:27.280 --> 00:54:29.199 fall out of them, you know that they that they've 978 00:54:29.199 --> 00:54:31.199 given me a chance to speak. They're really nice people. 979 00:54:31.840 --> 00:54:36.239 But the two other things I'd say is that I 980 00:54:36.280 --> 00:54:42.519 remember reading in the literature a long time ago that 981 00:54:43.039 --> 00:54:50.280 there was a particular sighting and somebody said, in the 982 00:54:50.320 --> 00:54:57.199 citing the aliens or wherever they were, said, would you 983 00:54:57.360 --> 00:55:01.519 like we are showing you us in our form now 984 00:55:01.760 --> 00:55:04.280 because it won't freak you out? Would you like to 985 00:55:04.320 --> 00:55:05.920 see us in our true form? 986 00:55:06.280 --> 00:55:06.639 Okay? 987 00:55:08.679 --> 00:55:10.679 But the other thing I say is that I've got 988 00:55:10.679 --> 00:55:15.639 a friend and she had a ridiculous sighting as a 989 00:55:15.800 --> 00:55:19.000 child where she saw a UFO and then she saw 990 00:55:19.920 --> 00:55:22.239 like the Mitchellin man, like the Pillsbury dough boy, that 991 00:55:22.360 --> 00:55:27.199 this massive, inflatable child thing walking towards her. And I said, Jay, 992 00:55:27.880 --> 00:55:30.679 that is the closest that your mind can get to 993 00:55:30.840 --> 00:55:34.960 processing what you've actually seen, because it's so beyond you know, 994 00:55:35.280 --> 00:55:38.840 beyond anything you can actually mentally envisage. That that's the 995 00:55:38.920 --> 00:55:42.960 closest it can get, you know. So again, I think 996 00:55:43.000 --> 00:55:46.840 it's something which interacts, interacts with the psyche, which is 997 00:55:46.880 --> 00:55:50.280 what Javage talks about, where it's something which is actually 998 00:55:50.280 --> 00:55:55.199 connecting with us on a very prime ordial ego mental level, 999 00:55:55.480 --> 00:55:58.480 rather than just this straight nuts some balts black and 1000 00:55:58.519 --> 00:55:59.880 white phenomenon, you know. 1001 00:56:00.239 --> 00:56:06.079 Mm hmm. I just there's really no definitive answer that 1002 00:56:06.159 --> 00:56:09.239 I can come up with, and I'm I'm no expert 1003 00:56:09.280 --> 00:56:13.159 in anything, but I just believe that there's something more 1004 00:56:13.239 --> 00:56:15.159 out there. And I know that's weird for people to 1005 00:56:15.800 --> 00:56:18.239 here in the sense that I don't try and put 1006 00:56:18.239 --> 00:56:21.000 a religious aspect to it. I don't try and put 1007 00:56:21.519 --> 00:56:24.400 any sort of paranormal aspect to it. I just feel 1008 00:56:24.440 --> 00:56:26.199 like there's something and I don't know what it is, 1009 00:56:26.239 --> 00:56:29.159 but there is something out there that compels me to 1010 00:56:29.199 --> 00:56:29.800 do what I do. 1011 00:56:30.880 --> 00:56:32.079 Yeah, it's the same with me. 1012 00:56:32.800 --> 00:56:35.639 People have said to me, you know, you'll bring a 1013 00:56:35.679 --> 00:56:37.639 lot of heat on yourself, you bring a lot of 1014 00:56:37.639 --> 00:56:41.719 blowback on yourself by actually talking about the human human aspect. 1015 00:56:41.920 --> 00:56:44.639 And I just feel like I'm sort of kind of 1016 00:56:44.679 --> 00:56:46.360 like compelled to do it. I've got no skin in 1017 00:56:46.400 --> 00:56:49.159 the game, there's no I'm not making any money out 1018 00:56:49.159 --> 00:56:51.039 of it. And then when I do punish the book, 1019 00:56:51.079 --> 00:56:52.920 I don't expect it to I don't expect it to 1020 00:56:52.960 --> 00:56:56.000 get rave reviews because obviously it's going against a lot 1021 00:56:56.000 --> 00:56:57.320 of what the community think. 1022 00:56:58.639 --> 00:57:02.760 Or say they think. But it just seems to be 1023 00:57:02.920 --> 00:57:03.519 that there is. 1024 00:57:05.519 --> 00:57:10.000 Something which has always always been a lot of euthologists 1025 00:57:10.039 --> 00:57:12.079 are going down this road now they've turned away from 1026 00:57:12.079 --> 00:57:15.400 the eth and they're saying, is there everything like like 1027 00:57:15.440 --> 00:57:18.320 you say with the cryptids, bigfoot, long nest. What if 1028 00:57:18.320 --> 00:57:20.119 it's all the same thing And it's just a question 1029 00:57:20.159 --> 00:57:22.920 of our interpretation. But I have to go back and 1030 00:57:23.000 --> 00:57:26.880 say that I think the interpretation is there is a 1031 00:57:27.719 --> 00:57:33.119 manipulative aspect to it, where it presents itself. A metamorphos 1032 00:57:33.239 --> 00:57:36.119 is based on what it thinks we want to see 1033 00:57:36.239 --> 00:57:37.480 or expect to see. 1034 00:57:40.039 --> 00:57:42.960 That's just again, that's kind of where I align with 1035 00:57:43.039 --> 00:57:43.320 it too. 1036 00:57:44.039 --> 00:57:46.280 I mean, a lot of euthologists make a lot of 1037 00:57:46.280 --> 00:57:48.280 euthologists are the ones that those of us that have 1038 00:57:48.320 --> 00:57:49.800 been in this been in the game for a long 1039 00:57:49.840 --> 00:57:54.039 long time. We're all going down this path now where 1040 00:57:54.039 --> 00:57:56.920 we're saying, it's not et h it's something a little bit. 1041 00:57:56.960 --> 00:57:59.679 It's not out of space, it's in a space. It's 1042 00:57:59.719 --> 00:58:03.119 a lot closer to home. And I like what John 1043 00:58:03.239 --> 00:58:08.320 Keel says about the if you think of the old 1044 00:58:08.440 --> 00:58:12.559 radio and you've got the needle on the radio, and 1045 00:58:12.920 --> 00:58:16.159 you know, if you've got the needle slightly to the left, 1046 00:58:16.159 --> 00:58:19.320 you you'll hear a little voice from another station. You know, 1047 00:58:19.599 --> 00:58:22.440 if you interpreted that as being our own psyche or 1048 00:58:22.519 --> 00:58:26.159 our own our own experience, it just seems to be 1049 00:58:26.360 --> 00:58:31.119 that sometimes we do hear other channels, you know. And 1050 00:58:31.159 --> 00:58:33.760 he says that if the if the needle were wider, 1051 00:58:35.039 --> 00:58:37.960 then we'd see a lot more. Unfortunately, where we are, 1052 00:58:38.760 --> 00:58:42.719 our spectrum is so tiny of what we experience. 1053 00:58:43.639 --> 00:58:45.760 It just seems to be that what we call. 1054 00:58:45.679 --> 00:58:49.599 The extraordinary now will just be the ordinary when we 1055 00:58:49.679 --> 00:58:52.119 find out what's actually going on. And there's no such 1056 00:58:52.159 --> 00:58:55.880 thing as the supernatural. It's just the natural. And we've 1057 00:58:55.880 --> 00:58:57.760 had to put the super in it because we hadn't 1058 00:58:57.760 --> 00:58:59.519 worked out what the other stuff is yet. 1059 00:59:00.039 --> 00:59:02.039 We don't understand it yet, we. 1060 00:59:02.000 --> 00:59:02.960 Don't understand it. 1061 00:59:03.840 --> 00:59:07.440 I love what J and J and j Annen Heinek, 1062 00:59:07.480 --> 00:59:10.559 who's the godfather, you know, together with with Jack Vye 1063 00:59:11.280 --> 00:59:14.400 said when he was doing the when he was doing 1064 00:59:14.440 --> 00:59:19.320 his studies, even if the U f the UFO problem, 1065 00:59:19.400 --> 00:59:21.000 and I love the way he calls it a problem 1066 00:59:21.000 --> 00:59:24.639 as well. He says, if the UFO problem, if the 1067 00:59:24.679 --> 00:59:27.920 solution was presented to itself, if this, if the solution 1068 00:59:28.079 --> 00:59:33.360 was presented to us today, black and white, we are 1069 00:59:33.400 --> 00:59:36.960 not in a position where we'd even understand it. And 1070 00:59:37.000 --> 00:59:40.920 I think because the phenomenon works on this level, this real, 1071 00:59:41.079 --> 00:59:43.480 this deep psychological level. And the thing I said about 1072 00:59:43.519 --> 00:59:48.280 the mother crops circle, it's so advanced, and it's so 1073 00:59:48.440 --> 00:59:51.159 advanced that when we're not yet in a position within 1074 00:59:51.159 --> 00:59:53.800 an evolution where we understand it. But I do think 1075 00:59:53.840 --> 00:59:57.280 that our ancestors were I think they got to the 1076 00:59:57.280 --> 01:00:00.719 point where we are and become super super, super advanced, 1077 01:00:01.280 --> 01:00:04.760 and they're they're the key. You know, it's our ancestors, 1078 01:00:04.760 --> 01:00:07.800 the pyramid builders, everything you're talking about, the Stonehenge builders, 1079 01:00:07.840 --> 01:00:12.920 the Avery builders, that I think they were far more 1080 01:00:12.960 --> 01:00:14.320 aware of this stuff than we are. 1081 01:00:15.440 --> 01:00:20.760 Yeah. I don't know if it's by design that we've 1082 01:00:20.800 --> 01:00:23.480 been dumb down to it, but I feel like the 1083 01:00:23.519 --> 01:00:25.760 old generations of people were more in tuned to what 1084 01:00:25.840 --> 01:00:30.320 goes on around the world, and nowadays we're more involved 1085 01:00:30.320 --> 01:00:33.880 with the technology aspect. It's kind of like we've lost 1086 01:00:34.119 --> 01:00:35.679 what made as people. 1087 01:00:36.159 --> 01:00:39.320 Yeah, there's people that brand and there's people saying that 1088 01:00:39.360 --> 01:00:43.400 we've actually been at this stage before where we are 1089 01:00:43.440 --> 01:00:47.000 now and further in terms of technology and technocratic you 1090 01:00:47.039 --> 01:00:50.719 know things, and we've actually just gone back to the earth. 1091 01:00:51.280 --> 01:00:53.440 We've gone back to the land, and we've gone back 1092 01:00:53.440 --> 01:00:56.280 to spirituality and that's and that's where our there's an 1093 01:00:56.320 --> 01:00:58.440 argument to say that our four bez you know, they've 1094 01:00:58.440 --> 01:01:00.360 got they've got that they had the technology build this 1095 01:01:00.400 --> 01:01:04.039 stuff is because they were far more technology advanced than 1096 01:01:04.079 --> 01:01:07.039 we are now, but they chose to apply it to 1097 01:01:07.119 --> 01:01:09.000 the land and their spirituality. 1098 01:01:09.519 --> 01:01:10.000 Instead. 1099 01:01:10.800 --> 01:01:14.079 Yeah. I know, I've talked with people and they can 1100 01:01:14.119 --> 01:01:17.639 claim that they can explain how ancient people built things, 1101 01:01:17.639 --> 01:01:19.400 and I'm not saying that they didn't. I know, the 1102 01:01:19.440 --> 01:01:22.679 TV show Ancient Aliens wants to put everything that aliens 1103 01:01:22.679 --> 01:01:26.679 came down here and influenced building of these ancient structures. 1104 01:01:26.760 --> 01:01:28.679 But yeah, and our crop circles. 1105 01:01:28.760 --> 01:01:32.880 Yet I don't necessarily agree with all of that, But 1106 01:01:34.400 --> 01:01:36.239 I don't know. Like I said, I'm not an expert. 1107 01:01:36.800 --> 01:01:39.079 There's just a lot of weird things out there, and 1108 01:01:39.440 --> 01:01:43.599 for me personally, I just believe that it's all connected somehow, 1109 01:01:43.639 --> 01:01:45.920 one way or the other. There's something that's influenced us 1110 01:01:45.960 --> 01:01:47.960 to where we are today, and there's something that influences 1111 01:01:47.960 --> 01:01:49.639 people to do what they do, and there's something that 1112 01:01:49.679 --> 01:01:53.079 influences what people are reported seeing and experiencing. 1113 01:01:53.760 --> 01:01:56.320 I just feel like it's all one and the same. Yeah, 1114 01:01:56.400 --> 01:01:59.320 but it's nice that you can. If you go in 1115 01:02:00.159 --> 01:02:03.000 no preconceptions, then that's the best way to go in, 1116 01:02:04.400 --> 01:02:07.519 because if you go in and you're tainted with one worldview, 1117 01:02:07.719 --> 01:02:10.360 or you've got one agenda or another a gender, you 1118 01:02:10.400 --> 01:02:12.719 will mold everything towards that. If you go in with 1119 01:02:12.800 --> 01:02:17.320 a clean mind and a clean slate. That's probably Sometimes 1120 01:02:17.360 --> 01:02:19.559 it's nice to go in with a place of no 1121 01:02:19.760 --> 01:02:21.960 knowledge and you might come back come out with more 1122 01:02:22.000 --> 01:02:24.360 knowledge than somebody that knows a little bit more than 1123 01:02:24.400 --> 01:02:27.079 you do, If that makes sense. It's a nice place 1124 01:02:27.119 --> 01:02:30.280 to go in, to go in clean and to go 1125 01:02:30.320 --> 01:02:31.760 in with no preconceptions. 1126 01:02:32.679 --> 01:02:34.519 That is one of the things that I've been wanting 1127 01:02:34.559 --> 01:02:37.079 to do is I try not to do a whole 1128 01:02:37.079 --> 01:02:39.679 lot of research into a certain thing, especially if I'm 1129 01:02:39.679 --> 01:02:43.840 looking into something I know that sounds like kind of productive. 1130 01:02:43.880 --> 01:02:46.079 But like you just said, if I was going to 1131 01:02:46.119 --> 01:02:50.039 go somewhere and investigate an area, I wouldn't want to 1132 01:02:50.079 --> 01:02:52.480 go in there knowing full well like this is what's 1133 01:02:52.480 --> 01:02:56.880 supposed to happen here, because then you're expecting it. So, yeah, 1134 01:02:56.920 --> 01:02:58.239 are you going to get you want it because you 1135 01:02:58.239 --> 01:03:00.400 don't get that experience, or are you going to manifest 1136 01:03:00.440 --> 01:03:02.280 that experience because you think that's what's going to happen, 1137 01:03:02.360 --> 01:03:03.719 so you manifested to happen. 1138 01:03:05.440 --> 01:03:06.000 Yeah. 1139 01:03:06.679 --> 01:03:09.840 The a varge I've got is that my missus isn't 1140 01:03:09.880 --> 01:03:13.599 into any of this. She's not she's completely stoic, and 1141 01:03:13.639 --> 01:03:18.880 she's completely doesn't believe anything that I believe. And it's 1142 01:03:18.960 --> 01:03:23.679 really good to have her as like a nice anchor 1143 01:03:23.760 --> 01:03:26.119 if you like, if I float too high, she she 1144 01:03:26.159 --> 01:03:29.000 anchors be down. So it's really nice to be married 1145 01:03:29.000 --> 01:03:32.039 to something like that, because where I would look into 1146 01:03:32.079 --> 01:03:35.039 a situation and think, oh god, you know you're so 1147 01:03:35.239 --> 01:03:38.440 deep into it, you're just seeing this, she will look 1148 01:03:38.480 --> 01:03:41.840 at it objectively and I just a crazy situation. I mean, 1149 01:03:41.880 --> 01:03:45.639 this is crazy. We had a situation once where a 1150 01:03:45.719 --> 01:03:50.800 crup circle wanted to come out with me and sorry 1151 01:03:51.440 --> 01:03:53.800 a novice, a fan wanted to come out a crop 1152 01:03:53.880 --> 01:03:56.119 circle fan wanted to come out and make a circle. 1153 01:03:56.760 --> 01:04:00.280 And I went out with the completely wrong intention. I 1154 01:04:00.360 --> 01:04:03.519 went out with the intention just of ego and showing 1155 01:04:03.559 --> 01:04:05.719 off and saying yeah, I can do it. It was 1156 01:04:05.760 --> 01:04:10.480 a totally wrong motivation. There was no spirituality involved in it. 1157 01:04:10.480 --> 01:04:12.360 It was really all about me and me me. It 1158 01:04:12.440 --> 01:04:16.440 was a terrible decision. And we went out and we 1159 01:04:16.480 --> 01:04:18.760 made the cub circle. And he was fast. He was 1160 01:04:18.760 --> 01:04:21.719 a young kid. He was really quick, learnt really quickly. 1161 01:04:21.760 --> 01:04:23.199 We got the whole thing done about an hour and 1162 01:04:23.239 --> 01:04:25.800 a half and then at the end he said to me, 1163 01:04:26.159 --> 01:04:29.360 can I just put my little signature on it, a 1164 01:04:29.400 --> 01:04:31.519 little flourish at the end. I said, yeah, go for it. 1165 01:04:31.519 --> 01:04:34.199 You've earned it. You know, you've done a great job tonight. 1166 01:04:34.960 --> 01:04:38.000 But what he did was he just put this single 1167 01:04:38.840 --> 01:04:44.760 flourish on the circle, which completely changed the aesthetics. So 1168 01:04:44.840 --> 01:04:49.119 it went from being pleasant and good vibes to something 1169 01:04:49.360 --> 01:04:52.239 really bad. It looked like a scorpion's tale or something 1170 01:04:52.280 --> 01:04:55.000 like that. It looked really, really bad. 1171 01:04:55.679 --> 01:04:57.480 And that was a lesson to me. I thought, that's 1172 01:04:57.480 --> 01:05:00.679 what happens. Anyway. I got a high. 1173 01:05:00.719 --> 01:05:03.440 And then I was taking my missus to work one day, 1174 01:05:03.599 --> 01:05:05.880 and you know, you get those situations where you think, 1175 01:05:06.559 --> 01:05:09.519 I'm drive him really carefully, but I'm going to have 1176 01:05:09.559 --> 01:05:11.800 a crash because there's a bus come in that way, 1177 01:05:11.840 --> 01:05:14.280 there's a kid running in the road, somebody's open their 1178 01:05:14.320 --> 01:05:17.000 car door, there's a BOUNC symbol. It was like being 1179 01:05:17.000 --> 01:05:19.199 in a video arcade go and I said to the message, 1180 01:05:19.360 --> 01:05:21.039 I'm going to have a crash in the minute, even 1181 01:05:21.079 --> 01:05:23.559 though I'm only going fifteen miles an hour. Anyway, I've 1182 01:05:23.599 --> 01:05:27.440 dropped her off, and sure enough, sensor dropped her off. 1183 01:05:27.920 --> 01:05:31.559 This bloke come careering out this driveway, crashed into my windscreen, 1184 01:05:31.639 --> 01:05:35.679 smashed the windscreen, and I thought, I found the insurance 1185 01:05:35.719 --> 01:05:38.119 people and they said to me, we can't get there 1186 01:05:38.239 --> 01:05:40.119 until tomorrow. And I thought, well, I can't leave it 1187 01:05:40.119 --> 01:05:43.280 because it's going to abandoned. And just by chance, I 1188 01:05:43.320 --> 01:05:45.360 happened to have parked in front of this bloke who 1189 01:05:45.400 --> 01:05:47.119 did windskin repairs. 1190 01:05:47.360 --> 01:05:47.800 Anyway. 1191 01:05:47.920 --> 01:05:49.239 He said I'll get you on the road for one 1192 01:05:49.280 --> 01:05:51.760 hundred quid, so I said, I'll just do it. But 1193 01:05:51.920 --> 01:05:55.119 he had those plunges. He had those suckers where you 1194 01:05:55.119 --> 01:05:57.239 put them on the windscreen and then put them into 1195 01:05:57.320 --> 01:06:00.880 the panel. But he was really bad at his job, 1196 01:06:00.880 --> 01:06:02.920 and he was putting all these suckers wrong. 1197 01:06:03.000 --> 01:06:04.239 Everything was really bad. 1198 01:06:04.639 --> 01:06:07.719 And then he put he put the painting and then 1199 01:06:07.960 --> 01:06:11.400 I drove off and I was transfixed by I looked 1200 01:06:11.400 --> 01:06:15.159 at the wind screen and I went, no, you're being stupid. 1201 01:06:16.239 --> 01:06:18.760 You're reading too much into it. It's not what you think. 1202 01:06:19.320 --> 01:06:22.960 And then I picked up my wife from work and 1203 01:06:23.039 --> 01:06:25.039 she just got in the car and she is, as 1204 01:06:25.079 --> 01:06:28.119 I said, completely objective. She doesn't believe in any of 1205 01:06:28.119 --> 01:06:31.159 this stuff. And she sat in the car. She so 1206 01:06:31.639 --> 01:06:34.079 bolt upright and stared at the wind screen. She goes, 1207 01:06:34.320 --> 01:06:36.840 what the hell is your crop circle doing on our 1208 01:06:36.880 --> 01:06:39.679 wind screen, and it was exactly as this guy had 1209 01:06:39.719 --> 01:06:42.599 done the suckers, and it was exactly with this little 1210 01:06:42.840 --> 01:06:47.199 scorpion tailor as well. And I was that really freaked 1211 01:06:47.199 --> 01:06:50.960 me out, you know that that. 1212 01:06:49.559 --> 01:06:51.840 That was like a lesson as to what happens when 1213 01:06:51.880 --> 01:06:53.400 you do it for the wrong reasons. 1214 01:06:53.039 --> 01:06:53.239 You know. 1215 01:06:55.280 --> 01:06:59.440 Weird question. But do you and her ever have a 1216 01:06:59.559 --> 01:07:03.199 moment where you're thinking something and she will say it 1217 01:07:03.239 --> 01:07:06.159 like literally, like within a few seconds afterwards. 1218 01:07:05.760 --> 01:07:09.239 Yeah, of course, of course. But Sheldrek calls that the 1219 01:07:09.280 --> 01:07:14.400 species feel, doesn't he you know? And this is where 1220 01:07:15.079 --> 01:07:16.760 this is the only thing I'm not sure about with 1221 01:07:16.800 --> 01:07:19.800 this subject with with crop circles. I'm not sure if 1222 01:07:19.880 --> 01:07:23.199 we are using that you know, dormant link that we 1223 01:07:23.239 --> 01:07:26.719 don't know about that little telephone line or if this 1224 01:07:27.440 --> 01:07:31.159 or if our telephone lines are connected to another exchange, 1225 01:07:31.599 --> 01:07:34.840 you know, and and the stigmas being like triangulated. 1226 01:07:35.000 --> 01:07:37.159 So of course I get it. Everybody gets it, you know. 1227 01:07:38.519 --> 01:07:41.519 So that happens to me and my wife often, and 1228 01:07:43.039 --> 01:07:46.280 it's a little creepy every now and then because I'm 1229 01:07:46.280 --> 01:07:48.320 getting ready to say something and she says, at first, 1230 01:07:48.320 --> 01:07:50.559 it's just like or reread my mind. 1231 01:07:51.119 --> 01:07:52.559 Yeah. 1232 01:07:52.679 --> 01:07:55.760 Yeah, But as I said, I think in decades, hundreds 1233 01:07:55.800 --> 01:07:57.960 of years to come, we won't be looking upon this 1234 01:07:57.960 --> 01:08:01.800 stuff as being will look at these times and call 1235 01:08:01.880 --> 01:08:04.599 them primitive and say, God, look at look how we 1236 01:08:04.599 --> 01:08:06.559 were We thought this was paranormal. 1237 01:08:06.599 --> 01:08:07.920 It's really normal, you know. 1238 01:08:08.480 --> 01:08:11.320 I think it's because we are far less advanced than 1239 01:08:11.559 --> 01:08:15.280 I mean, technologically we're advanced, but I think mentally and spiritually, 1240 01:08:15.400 --> 01:08:19.600 you know, and in terms of accepting new paradigms and 1241 01:08:19.600 --> 01:08:23.560 in terms of accepting new ideas, were cavemen. 1242 01:08:23.760 --> 01:08:24.840 That's that's my opinion. 1243 01:08:26.239 --> 01:08:28.359 Well, we've been going on for a little over an hour, 1244 01:08:28.520 --> 01:08:30.640 so I figure we can get close to wrapping this 1245 01:08:30.680 --> 01:08:33.000 one up before we do. Is there anything you would 1246 01:08:33.079 --> 01:08:34.119 like to touch base on. 1247 01:08:35.399 --> 01:08:38.239 All I'd say, Brandon is thanks for letting me speak today. 1248 01:08:38.359 --> 01:08:41.359 And also to the people that among your listeners that 1249 01:08:41.399 --> 01:08:44.520 are tearing your hair out saying you work for CIA 1250 01:08:44.680 --> 01:08:47.239 or m I five or you're a disinformation. 1251 01:08:48.199 --> 01:08:49.119 It's not the case. 1252 01:08:50.079 --> 01:08:53.520 Even if you want to believe that some are done 1253 01:08:53.520 --> 01:08:56.239 by ET or whatever. If you next time you look 1254 01:08:56.239 --> 01:08:59.399 at a crop circle and you get in the mindset 1255 01:08:59.439 --> 01:09:02.239 that it could be human, just think of it as 1256 01:09:02.239 --> 01:09:07.039 being the humans are a component, and it's not a hoax. 1257 01:09:07.359 --> 01:09:09.840 You know, if a crop circles made with intent or 1258 01:09:09.880 --> 01:09:12.720 somebody's compelled to do it, it's not a hoax. There's 1259 01:09:12.720 --> 01:09:15.079 something else going on. And if you want to look 1260 01:09:15.079 --> 01:09:18.920 at my substack, which is it can't be people dot 1261 01:09:19.039 --> 01:09:24.439 substack dot com. That's free to join, and I update 1262 01:09:24.560 --> 01:09:27.079 every week or two weeks with a new account from 1263 01:09:27.079 --> 01:09:30.760 a new crop circle maker that I've spoken to or 1264 01:09:30.800 --> 01:09:33.800 one of my own experiences. And when I do interview 1265 01:09:33.800 --> 01:09:36.720 crop circle makers, what's happening this is very encouraging, is 1266 01:09:36.760 --> 01:09:39.159 that I can't use a lot of the stories now 1267 01:09:39.199 --> 01:09:43.279 because I've got so many, and the same themes are 1268 01:09:43.319 --> 01:09:46.119 recurring again and again. So I'm getting the same stories 1269 01:09:46.159 --> 01:09:49.840 recurring again and again from new stories, which tells me that, 1270 01:09:50.000 --> 01:09:53.319 you know, we're definitely onto something. And the reason why 1271 01:09:53.319 --> 01:09:55.239 I call it it can't be people was because that 1272 01:09:55.279 --> 01:09:57.079 when I walked into my first crop circle it was 1273 01:09:57.119 --> 01:10:02.039 extremely complicated. I looked around and thought it people. But 1274 01:10:02.199 --> 01:10:05.520 now I know that it is paopal, but there's something 1275 01:10:05.560 --> 01:10:07.800 else that can't be people next to it. 1276 01:10:07.840 --> 01:10:11.319 If that makes sense, No, I totally get it well, be. 1277 01:10:11.520 --> 01:10:14.039 It has been a pleasure and it's been very informative. 1278 01:10:14.199 --> 01:10:15.920 And I can't thank you enough for being a guest 1279 01:10:15.960 --> 01:10:16.520 here today. 1280 01:10:17.199 --> 01:10:19.560 That's an absolute pleasure. Keep in touch my friend to 1281 01:10:19.640 --> 01:10:22.880 Kay Yep, you have a great day, and she my friend. 1282 01:10:22.920 --> 01:10:27.680 Bye bye bye, Ian, Thanks for coming out here tonight. 1283 01:10:27.680 --> 01:10:29.920 I talk with me anytime. 1284 01:10:30.600 --> 01:10:32.199 Would you like to let the audience know a little 1285 01:10:32.199 --> 01:10:33.000 bit about yourself. 1286 01:10:34.199 --> 01:10:36.600 Yeah, as you said, my name is Ian. I'm very 1287 01:10:36.640 --> 01:10:40.399 interested in paranormal topics, probably because I've had a lot 1288 01:10:40.439 --> 01:10:43.800 of weird things happen in my life. So I also 1289 01:10:43.800 --> 01:10:46.159 have a background in science, so I kind of apply 1290 01:10:46.319 --> 01:10:52.319 that methodology to understanding paranormal phenomenon And yeah, I have 1291 01:10:52.359 --> 01:10:55.520 a bachelor's and masters in science. But now pretty much 1292 01:10:55.560 --> 01:10:58.000 all that I think about is spooky. So glad to 1293 01:10:58.000 --> 01:10:58.359 be here. 1294 01:10:59.159 --> 01:11:02.880 Definitely glad to have you. So your email that you 1295 01:11:02.960 --> 01:11:07.000 said to me talked about cattle mutilations. Is this something 1296 01:11:07.079 --> 01:11:09.760 that you've always been interested in or is this something 1297 01:11:09.760 --> 01:11:12.800 you just kind of started looking into recently. 1298 01:11:14.239 --> 01:11:16.399 Well, it grabbed my attention just because you see it 1299 01:11:16.479 --> 01:11:19.439 on YouTube. You see it on like Skinwalker Ranch type shows. 1300 01:11:19.520 --> 01:11:22.119 Even Netflix had a series recently about it. Or a 1301 01:11:22.159 --> 01:11:24.920 show about it, and it seems to be this like 1302 01:11:25.640 --> 01:11:30.600 apparent phenomenon that's tangible and repeatable. So it's like a 1303 01:11:30.680 --> 01:11:33.880 really obvious mystery. So it really grabbed my attention and 1304 01:11:33.920 --> 01:11:36.560 I was like, this is something I could potentially solve 1305 01:11:36.960 --> 01:11:39.720 because it's not as nebulous as like a typical like 1306 01:11:39.760 --> 01:11:41.760 a ghost or something like that, where you can't there's 1307 01:11:41.760 --> 01:11:47.720 no video. These are well documented, repeatable, global phenomena. So 1308 01:11:47.800 --> 01:11:50.359 I was like, eventually, I think I'm going to be 1309 01:11:50.359 --> 01:11:52.560 able to pick up on some patterns here, but it 1310 01:11:52.840 --> 01:11:53.439 took a while. 1311 01:11:54.640 --> 01:11:56.600 Well, if you want to dive into it, I will 1312 01:11:56.600 --> 01:11:59.079 turn it over to you and we can listen to 1313 01:11:59.119 --> 01:12:02.000 you about everything you've researched and what you've determined. 1314 01:12:03.600 --> 01:12:08.359 Yeah. So I would see these events and I didn't 1315 01:12:08.399 --> 01:12:11.840 really know what to make of them. So I'm also 1316 01:12:11.920 --> 01:12:15.279 really interested in archaeology. My background is like ecology, evolution, 1317 01:12:15.399 --> 01:12:18.640 and behavior, so I'm really into wildlife and things like that. 1318 01:12:18.920 --> 01:12:21.039 But that also kind of combined with an interest in 1319 01:12:21.039 --> 01:12:23.920 like Stone Age hunting things like that up through the 1320 01:12:24.000 --> 01:12:27.279 Native American times, especially in North America, so I'm fairly 1321 01:12:27.279 --> 01:12:30.479 aware of what used to be here in North America, 1322 01:12:30.520 --> 01:12:33.920 which is huge, vast herds of bison, So that's always 1323 01:12:34.000 --> 01:12:36.159 kind of in the back of my mind, but I 1324 01:12:36.199 --> 01:12:40.119 hadn't really applied it to this phenomenon cattle mutilations because 1325 01:12:40.119 --> 01:12:44.239 it's not obviously connected. So over time, I'd just be 1326 01:12:44.279 --> 01:12:47.880 sitting there chatting with like chat GPT and I'd be like, well, 1327 01:12:48.159 --> 01:12:51.520 is there any correlation between where cattle mutilations and the 1328 01:12:51.560 --> 01:12:55.439 bison used to exist? And immediately it has must have 1329 01:12:55.560 --> 01:12:57.800 access to like bison maps and things. It's like, oh, 1330 01:12:57.880 --> 01:13:00.159 we might have something here. And so then I get 1331 01:13:00.199 --> 01:13:04.279 into this prolonged discussion with CHADGBT about Okay, how how 1332 01:13:04.319 --> 01:13:06.359 well does this line up? And then I kind of 1333 01:13:06.359 --> 01:13:09.000 switch from that. I go over to GROC and I'm 1334 01:13:09.039 --> 01:13:12.560 asking it, okay, let's map the cattle mutilations relative to 1335 01:13:13.159 --> 01:13:16.399 where the bison used to be, and then I start. Luckily, 1336 01:13:16.520 --> 01:13:19.119 GROC will show you what it's doing, so you can 1337 01:13:19.159 --> 01:13:22.439 see what mutilation events it's pulling up what you know. 1338 01:13:22.800 --> 01:13:25.359 Sometimes it'll just build in data that isn't actually based 1339 01:13:25.399 --> 01:13:27.319 on anything, so you have to catch you doing that, 1340 01:13:28.000 --> 01:13:30.960 and you also have to exclude the which I learned 1341 01:13:31.000 --> 01:13:35.119 eventually the cattle mutilations that don't involve exanguination because these 1342 01:13:35.119 --> 01:13:38.359 are not substantiated cases. So this is something that a 1343 01:13:38.520 --> 01:13:41.960 human could do, like some guy in Southwest Washington gets 1344 01:13:41.960 --> 01:13:43.960 his cowshot or something. This is not going to be 1345 01:13:44.039 --> 01:13:49.880 representative of the overall phenomenon of cattle mutilations. So eventually 1346 01:13:49.880 --> 01:13:54.640 I learned to filter out or filter for exanguination. And 1347 01:13:54.720 --> 01:13:57.720 then when you apply that filter and you ask GROC 1348 01:13:57.800 --> 01:14:02.199 to find the amount of over between cattle mutilations and 1349 01:14:02.399 --> 01:14:06.920 the historic bison range, it can't find any that are 1350 01:14:06.960 --> 01:14:10.039 outside of the bison range. And I've drove a map 1351 01:14:10.159 --> 01:14:12.479 on my kitchen island. I've got this huge map and 1352 01:14:12.520 --> 01:14:14.840 I put dots on it and I looked at it, 1353 01:14:14.880 --> 01:14:17.399 and it's so precise. It'll go up to the edge 1354 01:14:17.520 --> 01:14:21.239 of where the bison used to be and never cross. 1355 01:14:21.760 --> 01:14:24.359 So the Stanford map, I use that in combination with 1356 01:14:24.399 --> 01:14:26.560 a map put out by a scientist named Sanderson in 1357 01:14:26.600 --> 01:14:30.760 two thousand and eight. And so there's there's data from 1358 01:14:30.760 --> 01:14:34.239 the nineteen seventies and nineteen eighties, nineteen nineties, and that's 1359 01:14:34.279 --> 01:14:37.279 great for establishing this, but some of the newest data 1360 01:14:37.680 --> 01:14:40.479 is some of the most striking because it's an Oregon 1361 01:14:40.600 --> 01:14:44.279 between twenty nineteen and twenty twenty four, and the cattle 1362 01:14:44.359 --> 01:14:49.560 mutilations all involved exsanguination. They're all east of where the 1363 01:14:49.560 --> 01:14:51.319 bison used to be, so they're all in the eastern 1364 01:14:51.399 --> 01:14:55.039 fifty percent of Oregon which used to have bison because 1365 01:14:55.119 --> 01:14:57.840 historically the bison didn't go past the Cascade Range onto 1366 01:14:57.840 --> 01:15:01.319 the west coast. So all of it lines up with 1367 01:15:01.359 --> 01:15:03.920 this pattern, even though there are cattle raised across the 1368 01:15:04.079 --> 01:15:06.359 entire state, and if you go one state to the 1369 01:15:06.399 --> 01:15:10.920 north into Washington, almost none of it had bison historically 1370 01:15:11.239 --> 01:15:13.800 and there are no mutilations there. And you can do 1371 01:15:13.880 --> 01:15:18.520 this state by state. There's another border case down in Chihua, Mexico, 1372 01:15:19.039 --> 01:15:23.399 where this is about the southwest extent of any known 1373 01:15:23.479 --> 01:15:28.039 exhanguination cases, and there's a dot right there where the 1374 01:15:28.079 --> 01:15:33.239 bison range bison range ends and the exanguination occurred. Same 1375 01:15:33.359 --> 01:15:36.319 in Ocalla, Florida, it's right there in another edge case 1376 01:15:36.720 --> 01:15:41.279 where the exhanguination event occurred and the bison range ended. 1377 01:15:41.359 --> 01:15:43.920 So it's it's over and over, it's repeatable. It goes 1378 01:15:43.960 --> 01:15:46.880 all the way up into into Canada, where you have 1379 01:15:47.119 --> 01:15:50.920 zero mutilations in the provinces that didn't historically have bison, 1380 01:15:51.399 --> 01:15:58.119 so Manitoba, Quebec, Ontario, and probably British Columbia, although there's 1381 01:15:58.159 --> 01:16:00.359 some different kind of reports on that. I want to 1382 01:16:00.399 --> 01:16:04.760 research that more tons of cattle in these areas zero mutilations, 1383 01:16:04.960 --> 01:16:09.159 and also very little bison territory, especially Ontario and Quebec. 1384 01:16:09.199 --> 01:16:13.720 Manitoba had a bit, but no mutilations there. In Saskatchewan, 1385 01:16:14.159 --> 01:16:17.319 about half of it we think had bison, they have 1386 01:16:17.439 --> 01:16:21.079 also had mutilations, and every single one of those mutilations 1387 01:16:21.199 --> 01:16:24.319 happened where bison territory used to be. And you go 1388 01:16:24.359 --> 01:16:28.399 another province over to Alberta, which had the greatest number 1389 01:16:28.439 --> 01:16:31.319 of bison historically in some of the last remaining herds, 1390 01:16:31.960 --> 01:16:35.680 it has the most cattle mutilations. So I mean, the 1391 01:16:35.680 --> 01:16:40.079 correlation is striking. Speculation is absolutely delicious, and when you 1392 01:16:40.079 --> 01:16:43.199 get a pattern like this, but I'm not stuck on 1393 01:16:43.279 --> 01:16:49.399 any particular explanation, but the pattern itself is remarkable. So 1394 01:16:49.520 --> 01:16:52.399 then I took that, I wrote an essay up about it, 1395 01:16:53.239 --> 01:16:57.239 and then I started looking globally because mutilations have occurred globally, 1396 01:16:57.880 --> 01:17:03.199 and you start seeing a pattern merge in Argentina and 1397 01:17:03.560 --> 01:17:09.319 Brazil and the UK, excuse me, and Australia as well 1398 01:17:09.359 --> 01:17:13.359 as France, you've had mutilations. What has happened in each 1399 01:17:13.399 --> 01:17:17.119 of these places has been this cultural replacement of a 1400 01:17:17.199 --> 01:17:21.000 hunter prey relationship that extended deep into the past. So 1401 01:17:21.039 --> 01:17:25.239 there was this tradition of hunter and prey that was 1402 01:17:25.279 --> 01:17:29.319 replaced by a domestic animal. When that occurs, you can 1403 01:17:29.359 --> 01:17:33.520 predict every single time that that domesticated animal will experience 1404 01:17:33.600 --> 01:17:36.479 some rate of mutilation. And it seems to be dependent 1405 01:17:36.520 --> 01:17:40.800 also on how rapidly that culture is severed and replaced, 1406 01:17:41.359 --> 01:17:43.920 because in the UK it was a slower process where 1407 01:17:43.920 --> 01:17:47.039 the Gales and the Celtics were displaced by the Anglo 1408 01:17:47.039 --> 01:17:52.159 Saxons and the Normans, and they've had fewer mutilations. It 1409 01:17:52.199 --> 01:17:54.640 was like sheep, but not as many. However, if it's 1410 01:17:54.800 --> 01:17:58.640 rapid and extreme, you get way more like the Guanaco 1411 01:17:58.680 --> 01:18:03.880 that were wiped out drastically reduced in southern Argentina as 1412 01:18:03.960 --> 01:18:07.239 recently as last year. Lots of cattle mutilations in that 1413 01:18:07.359 --> 01:18:09.920 area because that's the species that was brought in by 1414 01:18:09.920 --> 01:18:14.319 the Spanish to replace the Guanaco. And there's a lot 1415 01:18:14.359 --> 01:18:17.359 more details involved here. There was an outlier case in 1416 01:18:17.479 --> 01:18:21.439 southern Brazil that I was having difficulty fitting into this 1417 01:18:21.600 --> 01:18:25.880 model of deep historic hunter prey relationship gets severed, replaced 1418 01:18:25.880 --> 01:18:30.399 by domesticated animal, domesticated animal gets mutilated because there was 1419 01:18:30.439 --> 01:18:33.800 a human that was exanguinated in nineteen eighty eight and 1420 01:18:33.880 --> 01:18:36.880 southern Brazil. So I started, I was like, wonder, how 1421 01:18:36.920 --> 01:18:39.960 do I fit this into the theory. Well, I end 1422 01:18:40.039 --> 01:18:43.439 up learning that the two p people which is spelled Tupi, 1423 01:18:44.479 --> 01:18:48.319 were cannibals and they would hunt other tribes. Of these 1424 01:18:48.359 --> 01:18:50.119 of two P people, they would they would hunt each 1425 01:18:50.159 --> 01:18:53.960 other and bring them in as captives then eventually cannibalize them. 1426 01:18:54.279 --> 01:18:58.439 When the Portuguese arrived, they ended up getting cannibalized as 1427 01:18:58.479 --> 01:19:03.600 well by these indigenous tries. And so perhaps to this phenomenon, 1428 01:19:03.960 --> 01:19:08.920 the Portuguese people represented the domesticated livestock. So that might 1429 01:19:09.279 --> 01:19:11.640 be how this fits in, because they've also had cattle 1430 01:19:12.359 --> 01:19:16.760 and sheep mutilations in that same area. So it's the 1431 01:19:16.840 --> 01:19:21.079 fact that every time mutilations occur involving exanguination. That's the key. 1432 01:19:21.119 --> 01:19:23.319 You can't just look up mutilations in general. It has 1433 01:19:23.359 --> 01:19:28.640 to involve this bloodless aspect because that's so it just 1434 01:19:28.680 --> 01:19:32.560 cannot be done. It's the most impossible thing about these 1435 01:19:32.600 --> 01:19:38.359 although these events have this kind of overarching impossibility about them, 1436 01:19:38.720 --> 01:19:40.960 and I think that's worth actually getting into a little 1437 01:19:41.000 --> 01:19:44.680 bit more because the events themselves, I think have been 1438 01:19:44.720 --> 01:19:49.640 grossly misinterpreted. I think it's clearly like an artistic display, 1439 01:19:49.960 --> 01:19:53.399 it's meant to shock, it's meant to be noticed, it's 1440 01:19:53.439 --> 01:19:57.880 meant to be remembered, and that explains the characteristics. So 1441 01:19:58.119 --> 01:20:02.359 the exclusion of coyotes and and bugs and things like that, 1442 01:20:02.359 --> 01:20:04.159 that's to make sure the artwork, if you want to 1443 01:20:04.159 --> 01:20:06.880 call it that, is not disturbed. That's that's to make 1444 01:20:06.920 --> 01:20:10.159 sure that everything that's been done there is not messed up. 1445 01:20:10.199 --> 01:20:13.800 There's no there's no gray areas about what's going on here. 1446 01:20:14.279 --> 01:20:17.039 The how it's been produced is maintained for the visual 1447 01:20:17.439 --> 01:20:20.039 Ranchers have reported feeling the need to go out and 1448 01:20:20.119 --> 01:20:23.680 see these exanguinated cattle. They feel like strangely compelled to 1449 01:20:23.720 --> 01:20:25.880 go out and see them, and they can't explain it. 1450 01:20:26.439 --> 01:20:30.359 So it's it's literally pulling. Whatever's doing this is pulling 1451 01:20:30.479 --> 01:20:34.000 randers outside to find and then they have lights actually 1452 01:20:34.000 --> 01:20:36.439 guiding them in the sky. They are being conjured somehow, 1453 01:20:36.560 --> 01:20:40.920 ranchers report seeing lights. These lights are basically like lures 1454 01:20:41.199 --> 01:20:44.159 saying here, this is this is why I want you 1455 01:20:44.199 --> 01:20:46.640 to come see this, and this is uh yeah, so 1456 01:20:46.640 --> 01:20:48.840 these are these are the patterns I've noticed. It's an 1457 01:20:48.880 --> 01:20:52.079 extremely kind of dark phenomenon. But the fact that it's 1458 01:20:52.119 --> 01:20:57.000 so predictable and tied to these historical events where a 1459 01:20:57.079 --> 01:21:00.680 hunter prey relationship is severed and replaced by domestic livestock 1460 01:21:01.359 --> 01:21:04.479 is fascinating to me. Because it's so predictable, there's some 1461 01:21:05.319 --> 01:21:07.960 situations where you might think, well, why didn't it happen 1462 01:21:07.960 --> 01:21:12.840 in maybe New Zealand where the Miori were displaced and colonized. 1463 01:21:14.439 --> 01:21:17.159 The one possibility there is that they didn't have a 1464 01:21:17.239 --> 01:21:20.840 set cultural animal that they were. They kept switching kind 1465 01:21:20.880 --> 01:21:23.439 of between praise species. That's one possibility, So it didn't 1466 01:21:23.520 --> 01:21:28.159 kind of have this ecological resonance over time. It's one explanation. 1467 01:21:28.760 --> 01:21:31.439 Who knows. I mean, the fact that this pattern is 1468 01:21:31.600 --> 01:21:36.239 largely consistent across the entire globe is I think striking 1469 01:21:36.279 --> 01:21:40.399 to me. And just the distribution of mutilations in North America, 1470 01:21:40.560 --> 01:21:45.760 how it follows the historic bison territory is remarkable, and 1471 01:21:46.279 --> 01:21:49.680 other theories just don't work for this. If you go 1472 01:21:49.760 --> 01:21:53.600 through the list of different theories like aliens et cetera, 1473 01:21:53.960 --> 01:21:56.960 I don't there's no reason why aliens would follow these 1474 01:21:57.039 --> 01:22:02.239 historic areas where hunting was occurringsistently for this long. There's 1475 01:22:02.279 --> 01:22:05.279 no motivation there. Why would they be following that? Why 1476 01:22:05.319 --> 01:22:08.279 wouldn't they go just elsewhere and do whatever? Not to 1477 01:22:08.319 --> 01:22:12.399 mention the fact that it's clearly performative, the way the 1478 01:22:12.439 --> 01:22:15.479 skin is removed from around the teeth creates this absolute 1479 01:22:15.560 --> 01:22:19.560 just vile like facial expression on the victim, whether it's 1480 01:22:19.680 --> 01:22:24.560 human or a cattle or a horse in France, which 1481 01:22:24.800 --> 01:22:31.079 which occurs in France. Yeah, So these deeply historic relationships 1482 01:22:31.119 --> 01:22:35.560 between humans and their prey species, whether it's the Celtics 1483 01:22:35.560 --> 01:22:38.199 that are hunting the oric and the red deer, or 1484 01:22:38.279 --> 01:22:42.680 the Aborigines and the wallaby, the emu and the kangaroo, 1485 01:22:43.039 --> 01:22:46.000 whatever it is, If there's deep time associated with that 1486 01:22:46.079 --> 01:22:49.960 hunter prey relationship and it gets severed rapidly and replaced 1487 01:22:50.000 --> 01:22:54.920 by a domesticated species, that domesticated species gets targeted by 1488 01:22:55.199 --> 01:22:59.720 this mutilating phenomenon, whatever it might be, I lean toward 1489 01:22:59.760 --> 01:23:03.760 it more of a spiritual than a corporeal entity, just 1490 01:23:03.800 --> 01:23:10.199 because the amount of perfection an undetected operation is just 1491 01:23:10.359 --> 01:23:15.439 inexplicable given something with human limitations. It couldn't it could 1492 01:23:15.439 --> 01:23:20.000 not be accomplished, not for sixty seventy years, and however 1493 01:23:20.079 --> 01:23:23.800 long this phenomenon has been operating, which might actually extend 1494 01:23:23.840 --> 01:23:28.359 deep into history as well. And that's so, that's about 1495 01:23:28.359 --> 01:23:30.960 as far as I've taken it. I keep researching it 1496 01:23:31.000 --> 01:23:34.359 and wondering about it's you know, where might we predict 1497 01:23:34.359 --> 01:23:37.720 that it would happen next? Where might we see this 1498 01:23:37.760 --> 01:23:40.760 actually in history books? Maybe with the Aztecs, if they're 1499 01:23:40.800 --> 01:23:46.640 doing sacrifices, maybe this is because they saw mutilated animals 1500 01:23:46.680 --> 01:23:49.359 and they thought maybe this was a god telling them 1501 01:23:49.720 --> 01:23:52.239 to that this is what it wanted, and so that 1502 01:23:52.359 --> 01:23:54.800 was their reaction, even though it's not what the god wanted. 1503 01:23:54.800 --> 01:23:57.079 What the god wanted was nature to be operating in 1504 01:23:57.119 --> 01:24:00.880 the more natural hunter prey relationship, and they were maybe 1505 01:24:00.920 --> 01:24:05.479 causing too much ecological disruption. Who knows, It's just I 1506 01:24:05.520 --> 01:24:08.399 think I think this is about as close as I've 1507 01:24:08.439 --> 01:24:09.800 gotten to fully understanding it. 1508 01:24:10.960 --> 01:24:13.680 The one thing that I always thought was interesting is 1509 01:24:14.760 --> 01:24:18.079 the Noe blood and I've seen skeptics say, well, the 1510 01:24:18.199 --> 01:24:20.560 kill site was somewhere else and they drained the blood 1511 01:24:20.560 --> 01:24:25.000 and this whatever. But that is the one thing that's 1512 01:24:25.039 --> 01:24:28.279 always stood out to me, is like the surgical precision 1513 01:24:28.399 --> 01:24:31.600 of the dissection of the animal. Like of the cattle, 1514 01:24:32.359 --> 01:24:37.159 there's no blood, there's certain things cut completely, Like it's 1515 01:24:37.199 --> 01:24:42.119 too perfect in a sense that some farmer went out 1516 01:24:42.119 --> 01:24:44.279 there and did this, or some jokes or went out 1517 01:24:44.279 --> 01:24:46.600 there and did this. Someone had to do know, like 1518 01:24:46.720 --> 01:24:48.680 they had to know what they were doing to try 1519 01:24:48.680 --> 01:24:50.439 and come out and do this. It's just not something 1520 01:24:50.439 --> 01:24:54.319 that someone goes out there and does. Now, with your 1521 01:24:54.359 --> 01:24:59.920 research and from what you're talking about, what do you 1522 01:25:00.479 --> 01:25:02.279 where do you think all this stuff is good? Like 1523 01:25:02.279 --> 01:25:05.159 what is the purpose of this? You have any idea 1524 01:25:05.199 --> 01:25:07.119 like where the blood goes, what they're using it for, 1525 01:25:07.279 --> 01:25:10.279 what they're doing the mutilations for other You said something 1526 01:25:10.319 --> 01:25:13.960 about artwork showing it off. But it also brings up 1527 01:25:13.960 --> 01:25:20.079 the question of who and what is actually doing this. 1528 01:25:20.840 --> 01:25:22.760 I know that's the question everyone wants to ask. They 1529 01:25:22.760 --> 01:25:25.880 think it's aliens. I think it's that in your opinion, 1530 01:25:25.960 --> 01:25:27.960 Like what do you think all this is about? 1531 01:25:28.800 --> 01:25:32.479 Yeah, if it's time to speculate. Then I first I 1532 01:25:32.680 --> 01:25:35.520 leaned into the kind of the mother nature aspect, And 1533 01:25:35.720 --> 01:25:38.640 at first it's very normal to think, Okay, the blood 1534 01:25:38.680 --> 01:25:41.359 is being used for something, the organs are being used 1535 01:25:41.399 --> 01:25:44.800 for something. But I think it's much more of a 1536 01:25:45.000 --> 01:25:48.720 mirror to how it whatever it is, and I don't 1537 01:25:48.720 --> 01:25:51.319 think it's a corporeal and I think it's more in 1538 01:25:51.359 --> 01:25:54.359 the spiritual realm, and we can get into that. I 1539 01:25:54.399 --> 01:25:58.359 think it's more so mirroring how it sees us using 1540 01:25:58.960 --> 01:26:04.439 domesticated livestock. So we have this impersonal, cold industrial relationship 1541 01:26:04.520 --> 01:26:08.560 with livestock, and then it mirrors that back to us 1542 01:26:09.199 --> 01:26:13.960 by exanguinating them by perfectly carving them up with symmetrical 1543 01:26:14.079 --> 01:26:20.159 like eye sockets and disemboweling and leaving no trace. It's cold, 1544 01:26:20.279 --> 01:26:23.720 it's calculated, it's impersonal, and I think it's also trying 1545 01:26:23.720 --> 01:26:25.640 to convince us that this is not being done. By 1546 01:26:25.920 --> 01:26:30.039 the fact that anybody even entertains the possibility that's being 1547 01:26:30.039 --> 01:26:32.319 done by people means I haven't seen these because ranchers 1548 01:26:32.359 --> 01:26:35.920 don't talk like that. Ranchers don't come away saying, you know, 1549 01:26:35.960 --> 01:26:39.000 who was in my field? They don't say that. Maybe 1550 01:26:39.000 --> 01:26:41.760 the FBI in nineteen seventy nine, you know, starts talking 1551 01:26:41.800 --> 01:26:44.199 about that kind of thing, but the FBI can't talk 1552 01:26:44.199 --> 01:26:47.199 about things in the spiritual realm having these effects that 1553 01:26:47.560 --> 01:26:50.159 they lose their jobs or it's just not something that's 1554 01:26:50.199 --> 01:26:54.880 not a language they can use. So I'm really open 1555 01:26:54.920 --> 01:26:58.279 to anything that could behave perfectly. And I mean I 1556 01:26:58.319 --> 01:27:01.079 have a history of being a pretty much strict materialist 1557 01:27:01.439 --> 01:27:03.520 into science. I was the kid in high school that's 1558 01:27:03.600 --> 01:27:07.039 arguing with everybody that there's no God. But as time 1559 01:27:07.079 --> 01:27:10.399 has gone on and I've accumulated experiences, I've had so 1560 01:27:10.520 --> 01:27:15.640 many weird things happen, ghosts and synchronicities and sleep paralysis, 1561 01:27:15.640 --> 01:27:18.239 et cetera, that there's just I don't think there's any 1562 01:27:18.319 --> 01:27:20.920 limit to what could possibly happen. One of my favorite 1563 01:27:21.000 --> 01:27:24.880 quotes about reality is it's not just stranger than we 1564 01:27:24.920 --> 01:27:27.319 think it is, it's stranger than we can think it is. 1565 01:27:28.039 --> 01:27:31.479 So I think it's important to remain open to any possibilities, 1566 01:27:31.560 --> 01:27:34.800 especially when the evidence repeats over and over and over 1567 01:27:34.840 --> 01:27:39.079 again with these impossible events, like you said, the exanguination, 1568 01:27:39.159 --> 01:27:41.960 we're not finding drops of blood anywhere. They might try 1569 01:27:42.000 --> 01:27:44.600 to say in nineteen seventy nine, in an Arkansas study 1570 01:27:44.640 --> 01:27:48.800 that the ground can absorb what eight to ten gallons 1571 01:27:48.840 --> 01:27:53.840 of blood. That's absurd, It's ridiculous. Any brancher knows what 1572 01:27:53.920 --> 01:27:55.760 a dead cow that's been in a field for a 1573 01:27:55.800 --> 01:27:58.520 while looks like, and they are shocked for a reason 1574 01:27:58.560 --> 01:28:01.800 when they find these sanguine animals. It doesn't look like 1575 01:28:01.840 --> 01:28:04.760 an animal that has been naturally rotting in a field. 1576 01:28:04.760 --> 01:28:07.960 It's it's a completely different phenomenon. You have to trust 1577 01:28:08.000 --> 01:28:11.119 the ranchers and their experience with these with these systems, 1578 01:28:11.319 --> 01:28:13.439 they're the ones who know. And they're also not that 1579 01:28:13.560 --> 01:28:15.880 they're not motivated to like make up a story to 1580 01:28:15.920 --> 01:28:19.279 protect their no pun intended to protect their hide. So 1581 01:28:20.600 --> 01:28:23.760 if I'm if I'm speculating wildly, I mean at first 1582 01:28:23.760 --> 01:28:25.720 I was almost I was like calling it the phantom 1583 01:28:25.960 --> 01:28:28.239 because like it's like a phantom presence that's doing this. 1584 01:28:29.039 --> 01:28:30.960 But I think it's it's like more of a message 1585 01:28:31.600 --> 01:28:34.720 from the great beyond the even like the realm of 1586 01:28:34.760 --> 01:28:37.359 the gods. It's a message of look what you've done 1587 01:28:37.399 --> 01:28:40.079 in nature. I'm going to show you how you treat 1588 01:28:40.159 --> 01:28:45.920 nature by treating your replacement species with absolute disrespect. Because 1589 01:28:46.359 --> 01:28:51.039 they this entity feels disrespected. It feels that the land 1590 01:28:51.079 --> 01:28:56.479 has been totally like destroyed basically from what it was 1591 01:28:56.520 --> 01:28:58.920 supposed to how it was supposed to operate. And I 1592 01:28:58.960 --> 01:29:03.239 know it sounds ridiculous, we've tainted it. 1593 01:29:03.239 --> 01:29:06.359 It's basically like we've tainted the land. We've brought in 1594 01:29:06.720 --> 01:29:09.960 different species to replace the natural ones that were there 1595 01:29:10.000 --> 01:29:17.399 with invading species. Yes, I've talked to some people recently, 1596 01:29:18.119 --> 01:29:22.960 and anyone that listens to my show, they know what 1597 01:29:23.039 --> 01:29:24.560 I say when it comes to certain things. But I 1598 01:29:24.560 --> 01:29:26.840 think a lot of this phenomenon that happens is all 1599 01:29:26.920 --> 01:29:32.760 somehow connected. People see ghost people see these cryptid creatures, 1600 01:29:32.880 --> 01:29:36.880 they see aliens. Some people get spiritual on it and 1601 01:29:36.960 --> 01:29:41.079 call them religious icon like demons or something like that, 1602 01:29:41.319 --> 01:29:44.560 or I don't know what they are. I just feel 1603 01:29:44.560 --> 01:29:49.640 like almost everything that we encounter is probably connected somehow, 1604 01:29:50.039 --> 01:29:52.039 and I don't know how to determine where they're from 1605 01:29:52.199 --> 01:29:54.439 or what they are other than I just feel like 1606 01:29:54.439 --> 01:29:56.000 all this stuff is somehow connected. 1607 01:29:57.640 --> 01:30:01.800 Absolutely absolutely. I feel like one of the deepest insights 1608 01:30:02.039 --> 01:30:05.279 I've ever had in my life is the sense that 1609 01:30:05.279 --> 01:30:07.239 that everything is connected. And then there's a lot of 1610 01:30:07.319 --> 01:30:10.720 agreement with that and classic philosophies and other religions that 1611 01:30:11.319 --> 01:30:13.880 there's no the illusion of separation is just that that 1612 01:30:13.920 --> 01:30:20.199 there there is no separation. Oddly and maybe even striking 1613 01:30:20.720 --> 01:30:24.640 to me, after I fumbled upon this pattern of bison 1614 01:30:24.760 --> 01:30:29.319 range and mutilations, I started having synchronicities, like every day 1615 01:30:29.359 --> 01:30:34.439 I'd get these really weird coincidences. The first was I 1616 01:30:34.680 --> 01:30:37.640 pulled up like I was getting close to a gas 1617 01:30:37.640 --> 01:30:41.039 station and go like get tea or something, and this 1618 01:30:41.159 --> 01:30:42.760 van pulls in front of me and the back of 1619 01:30:42.800 --> 01:30:45.439 it says, you're building the future. We're here to help. 1620 01:30:46.119 --> 01:30:48.399 And I was like, okay, well this seems like a message. 1621 01:30:48.439 --> 01:30:51.319 But another day passes and I and I don't know 1622 01:30:51.359 --> 01:30:54.600 where any of these discoveries are going to go, and 1623 01:30:54.760 --> 01:30:57.000 a van pulls up in front of me, and because 1624 01:30:57.000 --> 01:30:58.720 I've been thinking I'm just gonna I'm gonna quit, I'm 1625 01:30:58.720 --> 01:31:00.520 not even gonna talk about this stuff any more, this 1626 01:31:00.640 --> 01:31:02.600 van pulls up in front of me and says no excuses, 1627 01:31:02.800 --> 01:31:06.359 and I was like, jeez, Louise. And then I finally 1628 01:31:06.359 --> 01:31:10.399 post a little video on my YouTube channel, and I 1629 01:31:10.479 --> 01:31:12.680 go walking to the gas station again to get tea, 1630 01:31:13.359 --> 01:31:16.279 and I hear a lady tell her friend on the porch. 1631 01:31:17.479 --> 01:31:20.159 You figured it out, yay, But they're just talking to 1632 01:31:20.199 --> 01:31:21.880 each other. But I'm like, you're gonna say that right 1633 01:31:21.920 --> 01:31:24.640 when I walk past after I I might have just 1634 01:31:24.760 --> 01:31:28.520 stumbled upon this pattern that might have some explanatory powers. 1635 01:31:28.880 --> 01:31:32.600 The synchronosity is sort of accumulating. You just feel like something's 1636 01:31:32.680 --> 01:31:35.399 going on. And I actually wrote an essay before any 1637 01:31:35.399 --> 01:31:37.520 of this happened. There's like twenty five hundred words about 1638 01:31:37.600 --> 01:31:40.880 all the synchronicities I've ever had, and it's trying to 1639 01:31:40.920 --> 01:31:43.760 explain them because I try to pick them apart from 1640 01:31:43.800 --> 01:31:48.039 both sides of just inevitability or or some sort of 1641 01:31:48.079 --> 01:31:52.720 actual communication from an intelligence, because they always they seem 1642 01:31:52.800 --> 01:31:56.479 like that, they seem like they're they're communication, And I 1643 01:31:56.479 --> 01:31:59.880 think cattle mutilations are the sign of an active intelligence. 1644 01:32:00.000 --> 01:32:02.760 I don't think I've thought about the possibility that it's 1645 01:32:02.760 --> 01:32:05.800 like a spasm of nature, and when nature's violated, it's 1646 01:32:05.880 --> 01:32:09.239 kind of spasms in this way, and it's involuntary, but 1647 01:32:09.359 --> 01:32:12.760 the specificity and the perfection involved, and like the Bison 1648 01:32:12.920 --> 01:32:17.000 range mapping, I mean that the way it occurs is 1649 01:32:17.119 --> 01:32:20.840 deeply cautious, like it knows what it's doing. Whatever it is, 1650 01:32:21.439 --> 01:32:24.840 and it doesn't make mistakes, and then it makes sure 1651 01:32:25.560 --> 01:32:28.880 what it's done is seen. So I think there's evidence 1652 01:32:28.920 --> 01:32:32.039 of consciousness behind it, but I don't think it's corporeal 1653 01:32:32.920 --> 01:32:33.680 or even alien. 1654 01:32:34.840 --> 01:32:37.439 There is something that people have been experiencing it. It was 1655 01:32:37.479 --> 01:32:41.199 one of the first episodes I had done, and it's 1656 01:32:41.239 --> 01:32:44.600 like a design like these red they've been called like 1657 01:32:44.640 --> 01:32:47.079 the red grid mark phenomena, and people find these red 1658 01:32:47.159 --> 01:32:51.399 splotches or designs on their skin and they show up randomly. 1659 01:32:51.399 --> 01:32:52.960 They don't know where they come from. Then they go away. 1660 01:32:53.000 --> 01:32:55.760 But when people have them, sometimes they report seeing like 1661 01:32:56.680 --> 01:33:00.439 they're not seen, but having vivid dreams, basically like really 1662 01:33:00.760 --> 01:33:04.560 loocid dreaming. They've had them on their heads, they've have 1663 01:33:04.720 --> 01:33:08.439 on their back, on their wrist, and the person that 1664 01:33:08.479 --> 01:33:13.199 I talked to about it, they seem like they're done intelligently, 1665 01:33:13.880 --> 01:33:16.119 like it's like something that's trying to communicate and wants 1666 01:33:16.159 --> 01:33:19.720 you to know. And when you're talking about the cattle mutilations, 1667 01:33:19.720 --> 01:33:22.680 it reminds me of that, like something's trying to communicate. 1668 01:33:23.680 --> 01:33:26.199 I'm not saying they're connected, but at the same time, 1669 01:33:27.239 --> 01:33:29.960 I think everything's connected one way or the other. So 1670 01:33:31.880 --> 01:33:35.359 is this something out there trying to show itself to us? 1671 01:33:35.359 --> 01:33:38.159 People talk like with the crop circles. Now most people 1672 01:33:38.159 --> 01:33:40.600 think crop circles are made by humans. I think they 1673 01:33:40.720 --> 01:33:46.439 mostly probably are, but what about the ones that maybe aren't. 1674 01:33:47.359 --> 01:33:48.760 Is something trying to communicate? 1675 01:33:50.680 --> 01:33:55.079 Yeah, I think it's totally possible. I had, actually, and 1676 01:33:55.319 --> 01:33:57.600 maybe just because I'm hyper aware of all these things, 1677 01:33:57.720 --> 01:34:00.199 I had actually a red dot had appeared on my 1678 01:34:00.319 --> 01:34:03.079 right knee that I'd never seen before until the past 1679 01:34:03.279 --> 01:34:05.640 week or so. So I've had the exact say, it's tiny, 1680 01:34:06.600 --> 01:34:08.560 but the fact that I noticed it means I'm like, 1681 01:34:09.239 --> 01:34:11.920 I don't think I would have gone without noticing it 1682 01:34:11.960 --> 01:34:16.760 in the past since it's short season, But so I 1683 01:34:16.800 --> 01:34:18.920 have I've got a red dot, So I got the 1684 01:34:18.960 --> 01:34:23.079 same thing going on, And yeah, it's it's interesting when 1685 01:34:23.079 --> 01:34:26.439 you when you think about these things as communications, because 1686 01:34:26.479 --> 01:34:29.359 I even puzzled over the fact that if it is 1687 01:34:29.399 --> 01:34:32.760 trying to tell us something, could it be like clearer, 1688 01:34:33.199 --> 01:34:36.439 could it be more obvious, like spell it out, like 1689 01:34:36.560 --> 01:34:38.680 just write it in words, or have somebody have a vision. 1690 01:34:39.039 --> 01:34:42.520 And then there's there's different kind of ways of thinking 1691 01:34:42.560 --> 01:34:46.079 around that. Why isn't it a more obvious communication from 1692 01:34:46.079 --> 01:34:49.720 this entity, and I don't know. It's almost like it 1693 01:34:49.840 --> 01:34:52.680 needs us to figure things out for ourselves so that 1694 01:34:52.800 --> 01:34:56.399 the solution is more meaningful and has more staying power. 1695 01:34:56.720 --> 01:34:58.399 And if it just tells us things, I mean, people 1696 01:34:58.479 --> 01:35:02.600 probably just have mass area or they wouldn't even be believed. 1697 01:35:03.000 --> 01:35:06.760 So it has to lay clues and then it gets 1698 01:35:06.800 --> 01:35:09.319 figured out, and then the impact could be could be 1699 01:35:09.439 --> 01:35:13.680 known as opposed to somebody who's like, well, you know, 1700 01:35:13.760 --> 01:35:15.960 the gods were talking to me last night, and you 1701 01:35:15.960 --> 01:35:21.760 know I couldn't start the podcast that way, So yeah, 1702 01:35:21.920 --> 01:35:24.239 it could be that that's how it goes. But this 1703 01:35:24.279 --> 01:35:26.720 is a mysterious realm, just kind of like the rest 1704 01:35:26.720 --> 01:35:29.840 of reality, so it's unknown, but it does seem to 1705 01:35:29.840 --> 01:35:33.720 be a communication, and it's not a pleasant one. It 1706 01:35:33.720 --> 01:35:36.319 seems to be upset with something that's happened in that 1707 01:35:36.439 --> 01:35:40.840 space to upset the natural balance, and it's showing a 1708 01:35:40.840 --> 01:35:46.439 certain measure of wrath and perfection. I don't necessarily like 1709 01:35:46.840 --> 01:35:48.960 think it's a specific like I don't. I'm not going 1710 01:35:49.000 --> 01:35:50.600 to say it's God or I'm not going to say 1711 01:35:50.600 --> 01:35:52.880 it's a specific thing. I'd hesitate to put a label 1712 01:35:52.920 --> 01:35:54.960 on it. But I was just talking to a friend 1713 01:35:54.960 --> 01:35:58.880 today and the characteristics of cattle mutilations actually line up 1714 01:35:59.000 --> 01:36:03.000 perfectly with Artemis, the Greek god of the goddess of 1715 01:36:03.039 --> 01:36:07.359 the hunt, the perfectionism, the wrath, the interest in the 1716 01:36:07.439 --> 01:36:10.560 hunt itself, so she would have motive. Not saying that's 1717 01:36:10.600 --> 01:36:13.479 where I'm leaning. I'm really just having fun with speculation, 1718 01:36:14.039 --> 01:36:16.720 but the fact that it lines up so perfectly is 1719 01:36:16.760 --> 01:36:19.720 interesting and interesting is about as far as I can 1720 01:36:19.760 --> 01:36:22.000 go with this, because the patterns are there and I 1721 01:36:22.000 --> 01:36:25.119 can substantiate those, and then the speculation about what's doing 1722 01:36:25.199 --> 01:36:27.880 it is I think always going to elude me. But 1723 01:36:28.560 --> 01:36:30.159 it's fun to think about. 1724 01:36:31.359 --> 01:36:35.119 You'd mentioned like your interest in like paranormal and supernatural elements. 1725 01:36:35.640 --> 01:36:39.880 Is there something that's you've experienced prior to this? There's 1726 01:36:40.680 --> 01:36:44.319 a method to my madness. Usually people that go into 1727 01:36:44.680 --> 01:36:47.479 looking into things like this had some sort of event 1728 01:36:47.560 --> 01:36:49.560 that happened to them when they were young. 1729 01:36:49.600 --> 01:36:54.960 The numerous stuff, and really it didn't really start cooking 1730 01:36:55.119 --> 01:36:59.119 until after my dad passed about twelve years ago. And 1731 01:36:59.119 --> 01:37:02.199 then after that it was sleep paralysis, which I wrote 1732 01:37:02.199 --> 01:37:07.000 an essay about. It was synchronicities that were hard to 1733 01:37:07.039 --> 01:37:09.800 shake off that they make you think that the way 1734 01:37:09.880 --> 01:37:13.239 reality operates is different than you ever thought before. So 1735 01:37:13.319 --> 01:37:15.079 I don't know if you want me going into anecdotes, 1736 01:37:15.079 --> 01:37:19.479 but I definitely could yet. Yeah, I was, So I was. 1737 01:37:19.760 --> 01:37:21.560 I went back to the zoo. I live in Omaha, 1738 01:37:21.600 --> 01:37:23.239 and the zoo here's great, and I had a job 1739 01:37:23.279 --> 01:37:26.920 there doing overnight tours. And I had a history of 1740 01:37:26.920 --> 01:37:29.159 just quitting every job. I'd start a job, I'd quit 1741 01:37:29.159 --> 01:37:32.399 it because eventually I just didn't want to be controlled 1742 01:37:32.560 --> 01:37:34.720 by it, even if I liked it. And I liked 1743 01:37:34.760 --> 01:37:37.720 the overnight tour job at the zoo was fun, and 1744 01:37:37.800 --> 01:37:40.159 so I tried to go get the job back. And 1745 01:37:40.720 --> 01:37:42.800 I was leaving the zoo from trying to get the 1746 01:37:42.880 --> 01:37:45.039 job back, and I saw a great cavalier drive by 1747 01:37:45.079 --> 01:37:48.119 on the left and I was like, okay, interesting, and 1748 01:37:48.119 --> 01:37:50.359 then a gray trash can rolls into the street on 1749 01:37:50.399 --> 01:37:52.640 the right and I had to avoid it. I was like, weird, 1750 01:37:52.720 --> 01:37:55.079 the great cavalier gets my attention, and then a great 1751 01:37:55.119 --> 01:37:57.239 trash can rolls in from the opposite side of the street, 1752 01:37:57.279 --> 01:38:00.359 so I was like, okay, well, maybe it's nothing. A 1753 01:38:00.439 --> 01:38:04.079 few cars later, another gray cavalier drives by on the left, 1754 01:38:04.079 --> 01:38:06.680 side of the street, and for some reason, I just 1755 01:38:06.760 --> 01:38:09.960 knew the pattern wasn't done. So I went over. I 1756 01:38:10.039 --> 01:38:12.600 visited my mom's house and I told her I'm in 1757 01:38:12.600 --> 01:38:15.239 the midst of some sort of interesting pattern here. And 1758 01:38:16.199 --> 01:38:17.920 if we go, if we take the dogs for a walk, 1759 01:38:18.359 --> 01:38:20.920 we will see a great cavalier. And I guarantee you 1760 01:38:20.920 --> 01:38:23.800 we'll see great cavalier. It's going to happen. The first 1761 01:38:23.800 --> 01:38:26.439 car we see on the walk was a great Cavalier 1762 01:38:27.359 --> 01:38:29.880 and that just then I had to kind of just 1763 01:38:29.880 --> 01:38:33.000 shift my whole idea, my paradigm about how I thought 1764 01:38:33.000 --> 01:38:37.680 reality operated, because that seemed so clear, and I knew 1765 01:38:38.159 --> 01:38:40.239 that it was coming like I knew, And there's so 1766 01:38:40.319 --> 01:38:45.239 many there's so many other things. The sleep paralysis events 1767 01:38:45.680 --> 01:38:49.039 were notable. They only happened really in this kind of 1768 01:38:49.079 --> 01:38:52.600 tumultuous part of my life was partying, going crazy, doing 1769 01:38:52.600 --> 01:38:58.079 all this stuff. So again, the story involves my mom's house, 1770 01:38:58.680 --> 01:39:01.560 which has a history of kind of some a couple 1771 01:39:01.640 --> 01:39:04.239 families where it was kind of spooky. The first family, 1772 01:39:04.880 --> 01:39:07.199 they were Christian scientists that had a kid pass away 1773 01:39:07.239 --> 01:39:09.800 because they wouldn't give him medicine and he was involved 1774 01:39:09.840 --> 01:39:12.560 in like a fall et cetera. And then the second family, 1775 01:39:14.199 --> 01:39:17.520 there's a psychologist who would have his patients meet at 1776 01:39:17.560 --> 01:39:19.319 the back door and they take them to the basement 1777 01:39:19.399 --> 01:39:23.039 for the for whatever treatments they were having. And this 1778 01:39:23.079 --> 01:39:25.079 house was built in nineteen twenty eight, so the stage 1779 01:39:25.159 --> 01:39:28.680 is set for this house to have all sorts of activity, 1780 01:39:28.800 --> 01:39:30.560 not to mention the fact that my dad passed away 1781 01:39:30.600 --> 01:39:35.279 here with als in twenty thirteen. So anyway, the first 1782 01:39:35.279 --> 01:39:37.479 time I had sleep proalysis in the basement, I was 1783 01:39:37.560 --> 01:39:40.720 laying on my back and I felt this weight crawl 1784 01:39:40.920 --> 01:39:43.560 up my feet, and you know, you're conscious. You think 1785 01:39:43.600 --> 01:39:45.880 your eyes are open. I think some studies have shown 1786 01:39:45.920 --> 01:39:48.720 that your eyes aren't actually open, but you definitely feel 1787 01:39:48.720 --> 01:39:51.880 like you're seeing the room and you can't move. And 1788 01:39:51.920 --> 01:39:54.880 this thing was crawling up my legs into eventually sitting 1789 01:39:54.880 --> 01:39:58.039 on my chest like the famous painting about sleep prolyss 1790 01:39:58.079 --> 01:40:01.399 is the name of it. Escapes me now, So I 1791 01:40:01.439 --> 01:40:03.800 get curious about these things. So I go back to 1792 01:40:03.840 --> 01:40:06.800 the basement and I lay down on my right side. 1793 01:40:07.600 --> 01:40:08.920 I was like, wellt's see if this will happen if 1794 01:40:08.920 --> 01:40:10.560 I'm not laying on my back, because I think this 1795 01:40:10.720 --> 01:40:13.880 might be associated with that this thing comes back, whatever 1796 01:40:13.920 --> 01:40:16.760 it is crawls up my left side and his is 1797 01:40:16.840 --> 01:40:20.560 in my ear, and I just tried to maintain my composure. 1798 01:40:20.600 --> 01:40:23.720 I was like, not real, not real, not paying attention 1799 01:40:23.760 --> 01:40:27.000 to you, whatever, And so I thought. I left the 1800 01:40:27.000 --> 01:40:29.399 basement that day thinking I won. You know, this is, 1801 01:40:29.640 --> 01:40:31.720 I got it cooked. I mean, this is it's not 1802 01:40:31.760 --> 01:40:33.720 going to mess with me. I'm too brave and I'm 1803 01:40:33.760 --> 01:40:37.239 too cool. So another time, I'm upstairs at the same 1804 01:40:37.319 --> 01:40:40.039 house and I fall asleep on the couch on my 1805 01:40:41.239 --> 01:40:44.079 I think it was left side this time, maybe right side, 1806 01:40:44.239 --> 01:40:45.760 but it was on my side because it's a couch. 1807 01:40:46.720 --> 01:40:50.079 And I wake up and frozen again, and there's a 1808 01:40:50.119 --> 01:40:55.079 tornado of black smoke by this grandfather clock by the 1809 01:40:55.079 --> 01:40:57.960 front door. Tornado of black smoke, and it sounds like 1810 01:40:58.039 --> 01:41:00.640 a freight train, and all I can do is shift 1811 01:41:00.680 --> 01:41:03.399 my eyes and look at it. I'm just like what 1812 01:41:03.600 --> 01:41:06.520 is this and just terrified. And then in a flash, 1813 01:41:06.720 --> 01:41:10.439 it's next to me, and it sounds like the universe 1814 01:41:10.800 --> 01:41:14.159 is like fragmenting. It's the loudest thing I can imagine. 1815 01:41:14.319 --> 01:41:17.840 And then you eventually snap out of it, and I'm like, Okay, 1816 01:41:17.920 --> 01:41:20.520 how do I like the rest of the day just 1817 01:41:20.560 --> 01:41:26.640 seems spooky. But then I finally start getting my act together. 1818 01:41:27.039 --> 01:41:30.439 I stop partying this and that, and I have one 1819 01:41:30.520 --> 01:41:33.680 final sleep paralysis where I wake up I'm frozen, but 1820 01:41:33.720 --> 01:41:37.600 there's no terror, and this being, it looks like it's 1821 01:41:37.600 --> 01:41:41.760 made of black and blue, dark kind of slightly shimmering pixels, 1822 01:41:42.319 --> 01:41:44.520 walks by my bed and all I can do is 1823 01:41:44.520 --> 01:41:47.439 look at it, and this thing smiles at me. It 1824 01:41:47.479 --> 01:41:50.239 looks like a shadow of pixels, and then it's gone, 1825 01:41:50.840 --> 01:41:54.600 and I've never had sleep paralysis again since then. So 1826 01:41:55.479 --> 01:41:59.239 those events, while they have some sort of like precedent 1827 01:41:59.279 --> 01:42:02.159 in the literature psychological stuff, some people wouldn't say that's 1828 01:42:02.199 --> 01:42:05.840 not paranormal. When you've had it happen, it doesn't seem 1829 01:42:05.920 --> 01:42:09.800 super normal. It's like the nexus, the combination, the overlap 1830 01:42:09.920 --> 01:42:15.079 between normal and like tangibly paranormal. So there was that. 1831 01:42:15.640 --> 01:42:19.319 I mean, the list is long of anecdotes. I heard 1832 01:42:19.319 --> 01:42:22.560 my dad's voice clearly in my left ear once when 1833 01:42:22.560 --> 01:42:24.680 I was in kind of this hypnogogic state of like 1834 01:42:24.760 --> 01:42:30.079 almost falling asleep. And then my mom came upstairs after 1835 01:42:30.279 --> 01:42:33.560 I'd heard him, say get ready to talk, and then 1836 01:42:33.600 --> 01:42:36.600 she said did you say something from downstairs? So she 1837 01:42:36.640 --> 01:42:39.359 had heard something. I don't know if I think she 1838 01:42:39.399 --> 01:42:42.119 said it sounded like me. I wasn't talking. I'd heard 1839 01:42:42.159 --> 01:42:44.720 my dad clear as day in my left ear, his 1840 01:42:44.800 --> 01:42:47.640 voice after he had passed away, say get ready to talk, 1841 01:42:48.039 --> 01:42:52.760 no doubt. And then tons of psychic stuff like there 1842 01:42:52.840 --> 01:42:54.560 was a time in the same house, and I've had 1843 01:42:54.560 --> 01:42:57.039 things elsewhere, but this is the same house from nineteen 1844 01:42:57.079 --> 01:42:59.680 twenty eight. That's what it was made. I was in 1845 01:42:59.680 --> 01:43:02.760 the kid and I heard a woman laugh, and for 1846 01:43:02.800 --> 01:43:06.000 whatever reason, I really wanted to know, Okay, where did 1847 01:43:06.039 --> 01:43:07.680 that come from? I knew it wasn't my sister or 1848 01:43:07.720 --> 01:43:11.039 my mom. I was like, where was that? So I 1849 01:43:11.079 --> 01:43:13.640 was like, rewind the TV. Maybe it was Hillary Clinton, 1850 01:43:13.720 --> 01:43:16.680 maybe it was something. It was something on TV. Nope, 1851 01:43:16.720 --> 01:43:19.840 we played the TV. It wasn't that. And eventually my 1852 01:43:19.920 --> 01:43:24.239 sister comes in from outside, sits down, plays a Snapchat 1853 01:43:24.359 --> 01:43:27.119 video on her phone and it's the same laugh that 1854 01:43:27.159 --> 01:43:31.560 I had heard in the kitchen. So all of these events, 1855 01:43:31.720 --> 01:43:36.199 the continued synchronicities, the things lining up. Just the other day, 1856 01:43:36.479 --> 01:43:38.439 Just the other day, I was at Walmart and I 1857 01:43:38.479 --> 01:43:40.840 was getting a white Monster, which are highly addictive. I 1858 01:43:40.880 --> 01:43:44.399 love them, but I gotta stop. I knew when I 1859 01:43:44.399 --> 01:43:46.279 put it on the conveyor belt at Walmart it was 1860 01:43:46.319 --> 01:43:49.479 going to fall over. There was no doubt. 1861 01:43:49.319 --> 01:43:49.800 In my mind. 1862 01:43:49.840 --> 01:43:53.640 It was guarantee, not because it was unstable. I just 1863 01:43:53.720 --> 01:43:55.640 knew it was going to fall over, so I set 1864 01:43:55.680 --> 01:43:59.279 it down. It's not, you know, unstable or anything. It's 1865 01:43:59.319 --> 01:44:02.039 not even move And the guy he can't get my 1866 01:44:02.119 --> 01:44:04.840 eggs to scan. He's just moving them all around. He's 1867 01:44:04.840 --> 01:44:07.000 trying to find the barcode. It's just not happening. His 1868 01:44:07.199 --> 01:44:10.399 right arm bumps into my groceries and creates this chain 1869 01:44:10.439 --> 01:44:14.880 reaction that eventually knocks over the monster can. And I 1870 01:44:14.920 --> 01:44:17.279 was like, Okay, well, I guess I just have to 1871 01:44:17.319 --> 01:44:21.279 live with these kind of things because they it just 1872 01:44:21.399 --> 01:44:25.039 happens to me whatever. I think these are probably more 1873 01:44:25.079 --> 01:44:27.760 common than a lot of people might say, because they 1874 01:44:27.760 --> 01:44:31.039 don't get discussed. They're so strange people. They fear the backlash. 1875 01:44:31.119 --> 01:44:33.399 Just like the same reason the FBI wasn't going to say, 1876 01:44:33.720 --> 01:44:36.479 we think this might be mother nature itself, you know, 1877 01:44:37.159 --> 01:44:40.760 sanguinating cows. They're going to say it's coyotes or whatever, 1878 01:44:41.520 --> 01:44:44.560 because they just can't talk like that when I was 1879 01:44:44.960 --> 01:44:48.000 actually a science teacher for a while. Not anymore. I'm 1880 01:44:48.039 --> 01:44:50.560 doing other things. But I started a club for kids. 1881 01:44:50.680 --> 01:44:53.239 I call it Paranormal Society, and we would get together 1882 01:44:53.279 --> 01:44:55.920 and would have a week where we talked about dreams 1883 01:44:56.000 --> 01:44:57.920 or lucid dreams. We'd have a week when we talk 1884 01:44:58.000 --> 01:45:02.800 about ghosts, or we'd have a holiday party around Christmas 1885 01:45:02.800 --> 01:45:05.920 time where we watch the X Files episode with Christmas 1886 01:45:05.960 --> 01:45:09.520 when they're there in the Haunted House. And I was 1887 01:45:09.560 --> 01:45:11.920 surprised by how many kids had never had eggnog before. 1888 01:45:12.000 --> 01:45:14.880 But yeah, I just think things like that. It brings 1889 01:45:14.960 --> 01:45:18.680 these experiences to the four where like otherwise, kids wouldn't 1890 01:45:18.680 --> 01:45:20.479 feel like they could even talk about this stuff, because 1891 01:45:20.479 --> 01:45:22.640 I think a lot of people have these events, but 1892 01:45:22.720 --> 01:45:25.279 they just don't feel like they can talk about them. 1893 01:45:25.319 --> 01:45:27.359 It's just too strange, or they just discount them, they 1894 01:45:27.399 --> 01:45:29.399 forget about them. But I think it's some of the 1895 01:45:29.399 --> 01:45:32.079 coolest stuff that happens to anybody because it kind of 1896 01:45:32.079 --> 01:45:35.880 makes you finally believe that maybe reality like magic is possible. 1897 01:45:35.960 --> 01:45:39.560 You don't it's not all just simple physics or what 1898 01:45:39.600 --> 01:45:43.159 you would assume. It's just it absolutely erases boredom because 1899 01:45:43.199 --> 01:45:48.319 now reality is without bounds, anything could happen. So that's 1900 01:45:48.680 --> 01:45:50.479 that's why I developed an interest in all this stuff. 1901 01:45:50.479 --> 01:45:53.840 And now my bookshelves are full of paranormal books, some 1902 01:45:53.920 --> 01:45:57.920 psychic photography. I've got the dousing riots. I do taro. 1903 01:45:58.079 --> 01:45:59.840 If I'm just when I'm feeling it, I'll do something 1904 01:45:59.880 --> 01:46:03.039 like pull a card or something. But then I'm also 1905 01:46:03.119 --> 01:46:06.880 reading about physics and mathematics and stuff, so I keep it. 1906 01:46:07.079 --> 01:46:09.920 I'm always I would say my philosophy in general is 1907 01:46:09.920 --> 01:46:12.640 that I'm an observationalist. I just want to see what 1908 01:46:12.760 --> 01:46:15.840 nature can do, what does it do, and then go 1909 01:46:15.920 --> 01:46:19.199 from there, as opposed to assuming what nature's limitations are 1910 01:46:19.680 --> 01:46:23.239 and then operating that way, which unfortunately seems like what 1911 01:46:23.319 --> 01:46:25.199 a lot of science is based on. Where we start 1912 01:46:25.239 --> 01:46:27.680 with this assumption, we limit nature, we put it into 1913 01:46:27.720 --> 01:46:30.119 a box, and then we just search within that box. 1914 01:46:30.520 --> 01:46:33.560 But it's we don't even have a good explanation for 1915 01:46:33.640 --> 01:46:37.079 why reality exists at all, So stop putting limitations on 1916 01:46:37.119 --> 01:46:40.479 it and be open to open to experiencing might be 1917 01:46:40.520 --> 01:46:45.760 surprised what happens. Yeah, and the next thing I wanted 1918 01:46:45.800 --> 01:46:48.840 to study is imaginary friends. Like a lot of kids 1919 01:46:48.840 --> 01:46:51.279 grow up and they have imaginary friends, and I was 1920 01:46:51.720 --> 01:46:54.039 since I substitute teach, I was going to start like 1921 01:46:54.119 --> 01:46:57.640 conducting interviews, probably with like sixth grade and older, because 1922 01:46:57.840 --> 01:47:00.600 it just keeps things simple. But ask them if they 1923 01:47:00.640 --> 01:47:04.319 remember having an imaginary friend, did they did they learn anything, 1924 01:47:04.319 --> 01:47:06.800 did it talk? Do they remember what it looked like? 1925 01:47:07.000 --> 01:47:09.960 Is there some common ground where it's a certain type 1926 01:47:09.960 --> 01:47:13.520 of individual that people remember. I think my niece had 1927 01:47:13.520 --> 01:47:16.439 an imaginary friend that was an old man, and we'd 1928 01:47:16.439 --> 01:47:19.600 wonder was it my dad? Is my dad there with her? 1929 01:47:20.079 --> 01:47:24.159 We don't know, but it's interesting all of these little 1930 01:47:24.359 --> 01:47:27.560 phenomena that occur, and including aliens, even though I don't 1931 01:47:27.560 --> 01:47:30.840 think aliens are or maybe what's happening with cattle mutilations, 1932 01:47:31.319 --> 01:47:34.880 it's absolutely a phenomenon that's that's worth exploring. I just 1933 01:47:34.960 --> 01:47:37.399 I really haven't had my alien experience yet. I don't 1934 01:47:37.439 --> 01:47:41.880 think so. Synchronicity's ghosts, precognitive stuff, all the accounts of 1935 01:47:41.920 --> 01:47:45.720 cattle mutilations. That's kind of where I focus now, But 1936 01:47:45.840 --> 01:47:47.840 who knows what the future holds. 1937 01:47:48.520 --> 01:47:50.600 I talked to someone before, I think it was a 1938 01:47:50.600 --> 01:47:53.720 couple of years ago now that they were also a teacher, 1939 01:47:53.840 --> 01:47:58.920 and they did a group the focused on paranormal stuff. 1940 01:47:58.960 --> 01:48:01.600 But while I was in school, I would have loved 1941 01:48:01.640 --> 01:48:03.880 something like that to happen, but we didn't have anything 1942 01:48:03.920 --> 01:48:09.159 back then. But you're right when you mentioned a lot 1943 01:48:09.199 --> 01:48:11.279 of people don't get to talk about it, because that's 1944 01:48:11.359 --> 01:48:13.520 the reason I do this show is because people have 1945 01:48:13.600 --> 01:48:16.319 experiences and we don't get a chance to talk about 1946 01:48:16.359 --> 01:48:19.199 it because there's still that stigma out there. You talk 1947 01:48:19.239 --> 01:48:26.439 about certain things, people think you're crazy. And I know 1948 01:48:26.520 --> 01:48:31.680 some people, you know what, maybe they are. I'm not 1949 01:48:31.720 --> 01:48:33.680 going to go out and say that some people aren't crazy, 1950 01:48:33.680 --> 01:48:35.520 because obviously there's going to be somebody out there that 1951 01:48:35.640 --> 01:48:41.079 kind of is. But yeah, not everyone is crazy. Like 1952 01:48:41.119 --> 01:48:45.760 people experience something, they're seeing something, they're having these experiences. 1953 01:48:48.079 --> 01:48:49.960 Sometimes you just need a place to talk about. 1954 01:48:52.439 --> 01:48:56.399 Absolutely. It's like a professor axent in school going to 1955 01:48:56.439 --> 01:49:00.880 have somewhere for those kids to go and and I mean, yeah, well, 1956 01:49:01.760 --> 01:49:05.239 reality is way more vast than what's what's been covered 1957 01:49:05.279 --> 01:49:09.159 in the textbooks. Is just such a distilled way to 1958 01:49:09.239 --> 01:49:12.560 represent what the extent of full extent of reality. It's 1959 01:49:12.600 --> 01:49:14.960 being watered down and that's why kids end up being 1960 01:49:14.960 --> 01:49:19.399 demotivated and bored is because they're they're being people trying 1961 01:49:19.399 --> 01:49:21.880 to convince them and sell them a story about reality. 1962 01:49:22.239 --> 01:49:25.840 It doesn't fit with their own experience of reality as 1963 01:49:26.039 --> 01:49:30.039 human living beings, because that's already so far, like it's 1964 01:49:30.079 --> 01:49:33.560 so much more majestic and incredible than what they're they're learning. 1965 01:49:33.600 --> 01:49:38.560 It's they're being subdued, so they get it. Yeah, I 1966 01:49:38.560 --> 01:49:42.359 don't think school is great at h creating inspiration, and 1967 01:49:42.960 --> 01:49:46.199 it's probably not designed to do that generally, which is 1968 01:49:46.199 --> 01:49:48.600 why I'm not part of it anymore. So I substitute 1969 01:49:48.960 --> 01:49:50.800 is pretty much just enough to have enough money to write, 1970 01:49:51.279 --> 01:49:53.199 and so I was like writing books, but you put 1971 01:49:53.239 --> 01:49:56.199 them on Kindle, nobody's, nobody finds those. So then I 1972 01:49:56.199 --> 01:50:00.600 start writing articles for journals and my writing is you 1973 01:50:00.600 --> 01:50:02.640 could probably imagine this is also a little bit too edgy, 1974 01:50:02.640 --> 01:50:05.079 because you get into sleep paralysis and I could get 1975 01:50:05.079 --> 01:50:10.439 into another story about house dreams. So there was there 1976 01:50:10.479 --> 01:50:12.760 was a time when I was also having sleep paralysis events. 1977 01:50:12.800 --> 01:50:16.359 I would have these dreams that were scarier than sleep paralysis, 1978 01:50:16.720 --> 01:50:21.000 dreams that transcended that fear by a factor of one hundred, 1979 01:50:21.119 --> 01:50:24.560 like no problem and nothing in the dream itself. If 1980 01:50:24.600 --> 01:50:26.279 you were to see it. If you were to step 1981 01:50:26.319 --> 01:50:28.239 into the dream and see what I was saying, you'd like, 1982 01:50:28.239 --> 01:50:32.000 why is this scary? But it was just unbridled fear. 1983 01:50:32.439 --> 01:50:35.159 And it involved the house and I'd get I'd be 1984 01:50:35.239 --> 01:50:37.800 in the house and there'd always be one room and 1985 01:50:37.880 --> 01:50:40.479 I knew it was somewhere, and I'd get close to 1986 01:50:40.520 --> 01:50:42.840 it and the fear would start to kick in. And 1987 01:50:42.880 --> 01:50:45.800 it's a fear like I cannot explain, like the most 1988 01:50:45.840 --> 01:50:49.840 afraid you've ever been watching a movie or whatever. For 1989 01:50:49.960 --> 01:50:53.640 me is it was. It's beyond like for me, I've 1990 01:50:53.680 --> 01:50:56.239 never felt anything like it. I'd get goosebumps just talking 1991 01:50:56.279 --> 01:50:59.560 about it. So in this house, I'd get to the 1992 01:50:59.680 --> 01:51:01.840 room and I'm like, I'm not going in there. The 1993 01:51:01.880 --> 01:51:05.880 fear would be too much. But one time I was like, 1994 01:51:05.960 --> 01:51:08.439 I gotta go in. And I opened the room and 1995 01:51:08.479 --> 01:51:12.039 it's like high windows on either side. The room is 1996 01:51:12.159 --> 01:51:15.840 longer than it is wide. Really kind of antique furniture, 1997 01:51:15.960 --> 01:51:22.960 slightly dusty antiques in glass cases. Just seems harmless. But 1998 01:51:23.079 --> 01:51:25.319 the amount of fear from this room that I would 1999 01:51:25.359 --> 01:51:29.039 feel was just shocking. It would it would sit with 2000 01:51:29.079 --> 01:51:32.159 me the whole next day, and I did not how 2001 01:51:32.199 --> 01:51:34.239 to interpret it, so I'd like I'm diving into like 2002 01:51:34.279 --> 01:51:38.880 Carl Jung's writing about archetypes, and apparently the symbol is 2003 01:51:38.920 --> 01:51:43.079 that the dream is the entire psyche, my unconscious, my ego, 2004 01:51:43.119 --> 01:51:47.720 et cetera, the whole thing, and then the room is 2005 01:51:47.760 --> 01:51:52.119 how my unconscious thinks about me that I'm I've become 2006 01:51:52.239 --> 01:51:55.640 terrifying to it. So it's like showing me a mirror 2007 01:51:56.079 --> 01:51:58.079 of how it feels about me, which is kind of 2008 01:51:58.079 --> 01:52:00.880 a parallel to what cattle mutilations might be. It might 2009 01:52:00.920 --> 01:52:03.239 be like, here, this is what you are doing, this 2010 01:52:03.319 --> 01:52:05.920 is what this is. You're coldly treating these animals in 2011 01:52:05.960 --> 01:52:10.479 this disrespectful way, you're disrespecting the history of the land, 2012 01:52:10.640 --> 01:52:12.920 et cetera. It's kind of there might be a parallel there, 2013 01:52:13.560 --> 01:52:17.880 but anyway, it's symbolic communication, and eventually, you know, I 2014 01:52:17.920 --> 01:52:20.439 get my act together, the dreams disappear. I haven't dreamt 2015 01:52:20.439 --> 01:52:22.520 about a house with a room in it since I 2016 01:52:22.600 --> 01:52:28.279 started living a better life. But about a year or 2017 01:52:28.279 --> 01:52:29.960 two when I got my act together, I had a 2018 01:52:30.039 --> 01:52:33.760 Tinder date with someone and she tells me she's having 2019 01:52:33.840 --> 01:52:37.920 house dreams, and I was like, oh, okay, So I said, 2020 01:52:37.960 --> 01:52:41.399 you are in danger, something going on in your life 2021 01:52:41.600 --> 01:52:44.199 you have to fix. And I've made sure she knew 2022 01:52:44.199 --> 01:52:46.439 I was serious. I remember her name. I will absolutely 2023 01:52:46.479 --> 01:52:51.600 not say your name. The date ends. We just kind 2024 01:52:51.600 --> 01:52:54.439 of go our separate ways, and I think a friend 2025 01:52:54.479 --> 01:52:57.840 her on Facebook or something. We don't really talk anymore, 2026 01:52:58.000 --> 01:53:01.359 but I see her pictures and this is I mean, 2027 01:53:01.359 --> 01:53:05.359 this is sad. But over time she disintegrated. She like 2028 01:53:05.479 --> 01:53:09.119 slowly wilted away. I don't know what the problem was, 2029 01:53:09.680 --> 01:53:13.439 but she passed away. And I wish I could go 2030 01:53:13.520 --> 01:53:15.960 back to that date and really, like, I don't know, 2031 01:53:16.039 --> 01:53:17.880 say it ten times instead of once, that you are 2032 01:53:17.880 --> 01:53:19.520 in danger. I have to fix this or maybe reach 2033 01:53:19.560 --> 01:53:23.000 out more for a second date. But the house dream 2034 01:53:23.279 --> 01:53:28.000 seems to be an archetypal communication of deep danger. It 2035 01:53:28.039 --> 01:53:31.920 seems to be, and it seems to be almost universal. 2036 01:53:32.159 --> 01:53:34.720 I even had another gal from a dating app tell 2037 01:53:34.800 --> 01:53:37.319 me that she was because I asked her, because I 2038 01:53:37.319 --> 01:53:39.880 could tell her life was just in disarray. She was 2039 01:53:39.960 --> 01:53:43.560 always drunk when we would talk, always smoking, always just 2040 01:53:43.560 --> 01:53:46.479 just like in between jobs, like nothing seemed to be 2041 01:53:46.640 --> 01:53:48.800 set up for. And I said, do you happen to 2042 01:53:48.800 --> 01:53:51.439 be dreaming about a house with a room in it 2043 01:53:51.560 --> 01:53:53.840 and maybe there's something wrong with this room. And she's like, yeah, 2044 01:53:53.960 --> 01:53:56.239 I dream about a house in the basement is all messy, 2045 01:53:56.319 --> 01:53:58.600 and I don't go down there. I can't even go 2046 01:53:58.640 --> 01:54:01.560 down into the basement. In my dream. I said, you 2047 01:54:01.720 --> 01:54:04.680 have to fix whatever, you have to fix your life 2048 01:54:04.760 --> 01:54:07.399 because you're you're in danger. But you tell most people that, 2049 01:54:07.640 --> 01:54:09.279 and if especially if you don't know them, even if 2050 01:54:09.319 --> 01:54:12.079 you do know them, they're gonna get They're going to 2051 01:54:12.079 --> 01:54:14.279 defend themselves. They're not going to take that advice because 2052 01:54:14.279 --> 01:54:19.159 you've just told yeah, yeah, so could you hear me there? Sorry, 2053 01:54:19.159 --> 01:54:20.560 my thumb was over the thing. 2054 01:54:21.039 --> 01:54:21.399 You're good. 2055 01:54:22.920 --> 01:54:25.279 Yeah, So anyway, maybe I just need to get off 2056 01:54:25.319 --> 01:54:29.199 dating apps. But uh yeah, dreams have meanings. Some people 2057 01:54:29.239 --> 01:54:33.319 think they're just like the defragmentation of defragging the memories 2058 01:54:33.319 --> 01:54:37.039 and the brains, like just processing things randomly. Maybe sometimes 2059 01:54:37.039 --> 01:54:42.319 it is that, but not always. I've had precognitive dreams. 2060 01:54:42.359 --> 01:54:44.800 There was a time at the first school where I taught, well, 2061 01:54:44.800 --> 01:54:47.840 I had a week straight where I had dream after 2062 01:54:47.920 --> 01:54:51.359 dream after dream, like five nights straight in October. It 2063 01:54:51.399 --> 01:54:54.039 was in the fall, and they were all pre cognitive. 2064 01:54:54.279 --> 01:54:56.439 The next day it would be validated. I had a 2065 01:54:56.520 --> 01:55:00.600 dream that one of my students was going to start 2066 01:55:00.600 --> 01:55:03.239 acting up, and she was normally great. Very next day 2067 01:55:03.279 --> 01:55:06.560 she's like cussing, she won't stop yelling. I was okay. 2068 01:55:06.680 --> 01:55:08.640 Then I had another dream that a student that I'd 2069 01:55:08.680 --> 01:55:11.000 never talked to was going to visit me in my room. 2070 01:55:11.239 --> 01:55:14.000 The next day he comes by and we have a chat, 2071 01:55:14.039 --> 01:55:16.560 even though we had never talked before. Then I have 2072 01:55:16.640 --> 01:55:19.439 a dream about the football team winning their football game 2073 01:55:19.479 --> 01:55:21.640 and they were going to score twenty points. And I 2074 01:55:21.720 --> 01:55:24.760 tell that I was student teaching. I told the guy 2075 01:55:24.800 --> 01:55:27.760 I was teaching under it was training me the guiding teacher, 2076 01:55:28.680 --> 01:55:31.479 about this dream. He was the offensive coordinator. So on 2077 01:55:31.680 --> 01:55:34.119 the van, he tells the team about this dream I 2078 01:55:34.159 --> 01:55:37.119 had that they won. So yeah, mister Waterman, he he 2079 01:55:37.279 --> 01:55:38.640 had a dream that you guys won the game. He 2080 01:55:38.640 --> 01:55:40.439 didn't tell him the score that I saw, I didn't. 2081 01:55:40.920 --> 01:55:42.840 I don't know. I didn't know the opponent's score. I 2082 01:55:42.840 --> 01:55:44.720 thought it had zero, and it's either zero or ten, 2083 01:55:45.520 --> 01:55:48.760 but I dreamt twenty for the winning score. So I'm 2084 01:55:48.760 --> 01:55:51.680 sitting there watching their game on a laptop and they 2085 01:55:51.720 --> 01:55:53.800 had just scored their third touchdown, so they had twenty 2086 01:55:53.800 --> 01:55:55.920 points and I was like, well, if my dream's right, 2087 01:55:55.920 --> 01:55:59.079 he's got to miss this extra point kick. And it sailed. 2088 01:55:59.359 --> 01:56:02.720 It sailed wise, so I was like, well, there you go. 2089 01:56:02.960 --> 01:56:05.520 I don't know what to make of these things. It 2090 01:56:05.800 --> 01:56:08.039 seems to be like access to something I shouldn't have 2091 01:56:08.039 --> 01:56:12.600 access to, but I don't think it's that rare across people. 2092 01:56:12.840 --> 01:56:16.399 And even like the government with the Stargate program, they've 2093 01:56:16.520 --> 01:56:20.279 used people's abilities to access information that we don't really 2094 01:56:20.279 --> 01:56:22.720 know how they gain access to it. But the government's 2095 01:56:22.760 --> 01:56:25.079 been interested in this for a long time. Stanford had 2096 01:56:25.079 --> 01:56:28.119 a lab called I think it was SRI where And 2097 01:56:28.159 --> 01:56:29.720 I could be totally wrong about that, but I think 2098 01:56:29.720 --> 01:56:32.840 they had it for decades where they studied psychic phenomena. 2099 01:56:33.640 --> 01:56:37.399 And you don't do something for decades if it's baseless. 2100 01:56:37.880 --> 01:56:39.520 So and I know, like there's a lot of like 2101 01:56:40.000 --> 01:56:43.520 law enforcement that uses psychics to help them and things, 2102 01:56:43.560 --> 01:56:47.439 so I don't think it's nothing. I've also had experiences 2103 01:56:47.479 --> 01:56:54.039 with telepathy. I was working at a bookstore and they 2104 01:56:54.079 --> 01:56:57.800 were the gal that ran that bookstore. She would practice 2105 01:56:57.840 --> 01:57:00.600 telepathy with her mom. I think they would hold up 2106 01:57:00.640 --> 01:57:02.560 one of three shapes and then the other would try 2107 01:57:02.560 --> 01:57:03.920 to figure out what was the one of the three 2108 01:57:03.920 --> 01:57:07.159 shapes they were looking at. And one day I couldn't 2109 01:57:07.199 --> 01:57:09.479 remember how to pronounce her name, so I was thinking 2110 01:57:09.520 --> 01:57:12.399 between the two pronunciations, and she just looks up and 2111 01:57:12.640 --> 01:57:14.720 says it. She says it's pronounced, and I won't say 2112 01:57:14.720 --> 01:57:19.600 her name, and as if she knew. And the next 2113 01:57:19.680 --> 01:57:21.159 day I was there at the bookstore and I was like, 2114 01:57:21.319 --> 01:57:24.880 did you like know what I was wondering about with 2115 01:57:24.960 --> 01:57:26.720 your name? And she's like, some things just don't need 2116 01:57:26.760 --> 01:57:29.560 to be discussed, like she just thought that was a 2117 01:57:29.640 --> 01:57:31.439 rabbit hole we didn't need to go down. I was like, 2118 01:57:32.119 --> 01:57:35.800 that's fine. I've even I've had times in relations like 2119 01:57:35.840 --> 01:57:40.880 long term relationships with like a girlfriend, where I thought 2120 01:57:41.199 --> 01:57:44.119 the phrase I love you in my head and she'd 2121 01:57:44.159 --> 01:57:45.960 respond I love you, and then I'd be like, I 2122 01:57:46.039 --> 01:57:50.640 actually didn't say that out loud, and you know, you 2123 01:57:50.960 --> 01:57:53.680 just carry on. It's like, okay, Well, there's things that 2124 01:57:53.880 --> 01:57:56.159 the things in this reality we don't totally understand, and 2125 01:57:56.880 --> 01:57:59.079 I mean I like them. They don't they don't really 2126 01:57:59.119 --> 01:58:02.279 scare me. They almost comfort me because it's that there's 2127 01:58:02.279 --> 01:58:05.800 always more than meetsci and things never get boring that way, 2128 01:58:05.920 --> 01:58:09.359 because it's like anything is possible, and also no harm, 2129 01:58:09.399 --> 01:58:13.720 no foul, right, like nothing bad happened. So yeah, I 2130 01:58:13.720 --> 01:58:15.840 wish I could just I actually had a dream the 2131 01:58:15.920 --> 01:58:19.079 other day about ninety thousand. I was like, well, at 2132 01:58:19.159 --> 01:58:21.319 least for sure it was ninety and a bunch of zeros. 2133 01:58:21.680 --> 01:58:24.439 And then the next day I got on Instagram and 2134 01:58:23.880 --> 01:58:26.319 the was it the power Ball I think it was 2135 01:58:26.359 --> 01:58:28.920 what was called or the Mega Millions was ninety million 2136 01:58:28.960 --> 01:58:30.920 dollars and I was like scrambling to buy a ticket. 2137 01:58:30.920 --> 01:58:32.800 I was like, this might be it, But then I 2138 01:58:32.840 --> 01:58:35.840 had downloaded an app or something. I was like, I 2139 01:58:35.840 --> 01:58:38.079 don't want to give this app my credit card info. 2140 01:58:38.199 --> 01:58:40.720 So I might have missed my chance. But that's fine 2141 01:58:40.760 --> 01:58:45.000 because that'll keep me motivated to study cows and substituteach, 2142 01:58:45.479 --> 01:58:47.800 you know, write and stuff. Gotta stay hungry. I can't 2143 01:58:47.800 --> 01:58:50.479 be winning all this money'd be ridiculous. 2144 01:58:51.279 --> 01:58:55.560 Where can everyone find you out? So you say you're 2145 01:58:55.640 --> 01:58:58.560 right and you're doing all the studying on the cattle mutilations, 2146 01:58:58.600 --> 01:59:00.560 Is there something you're going to be putting out in 2147 01:59:00.640 --> 01:59:03.479 regard to the mutilation discoveries that you've been looking into. 2148 01:59:04.800 --> 01:59:07.359 Yeah, pretty much everything we talked about is on the 2149 01:59:07.680 --> 01:59:10.479 video I posted on sound Science, So just a little 2150 01:59:10.520 --> 01:59:14.960 alliteration for people. Sound Science on YouTube and then Ganymede 2151 01:59:15.359 --> 01:59:19.920 that's like the Greek myth Ganymede Underscore Graham like Instagram 2152 01:59:20.159 --> 01:59:22.840 on Instagram is my page there, And yeah, I'd be 2153 01:59:22.880 --> 01:59:26.159 open to talk to people about paranormal stuff anytime. I 2154 01:59:26.199 --> 01:59:29.039 talk to former students about like the cow stuff, and 2155 01:59:29.359 --> 01:59:31.680 you know, whoever's interested in these things, because the mystery 2156 01:59:32.399 --> 01:59:36.079 is just I mean, it's so cool. It's the perfect mystery, 2157 01:59:36.159 --> 01:59:38.920 especially the cow stuff, because you can understand just enough 2158 01:59:38.960 --> 01:59:41.039 of it to feel like you're making progress, but you 2159 01:59:41.079 --> 01:59:42.600 can't ever get all of it to feel like you 2160 01:59:42.720 --> 01:59:46.560 got it wrapped up. So it's uh, yeah, I'll probably 2161 01:59:46.600 --> 01:59:48.680 be wondering about it for a long time. But yeah, 2162 01:59:48.760 --> 01:59:51.880 those two, those two sites that would be it. Sound 2163 01:59:51.960 --> 01:59:55.520 Science on YouTube and then Ganymede Graham on Instagram. 2164 01:59:56.199 --> 01:59:59.520 Awesome. Make sure to send me the links to that 2165 02:00:00.039 --> 02:00:01.840 and then I will include those in the show notes 2166 02:00:01.840 --> 02:00:06.520 for anyone listening. Awesome, But I think we can probably 2167 02:00:06.560 --> 02:00:09.840 wrap this one up. Is there anything else before we 2168 02:00:09.920 --> 02:00:12.039 do that you would like to discuss? 2169 02:00:12.319 --> 02:00:15.760 I just really appreciate the opportunity. It's it felt like 2170 02:00:15.800 --> 02:00:18.079 a weight on my shoulders to discover this pattern and 2171 02:00:18.079 --> 02:00:19.840 feel like, oh, I got to tell somebody I don't like. 2172 02:00:19.920 --> 02:00:22.399 I don't like knowing things that are kind of like 2173 02:00:22.479 --> 02:00:25.079 that interesting and not being able to talk about it, 2174 02:00:25.880 --> 02:00:28.039 especially since it's the summer and I'm not teaching. Not 2175 02:00:28.159 --> 02:00:30.439 that this is something I'm probably gonna bring up at school, 2176 02:00:30.800 --> 02:00:32.880 although there might be some high schoolers, like the certain 2177 02:00:32.920 --> 02:00:34.960 type of dudes that might, you know, I could talk 2178 02:00:35.000 --> 02:00:38.239 to them about it, But I just really appreciate the 2179 02:00:38.239 --> 02:00:40.600 opportunity to talk to you about this, and uh, yeah, 2180 02:00:40.680 --> 02:00:41.479 thank you very much. 2181 02:00:42.720 --> 02:00:45.279 Hey, not a problem. I appreciate having you on. Thank 2182 02:00:45.319 --> 02:00:48.920 you for being an awesome guest. And you brought some 2183 02:00:49.560 --> 02:00:52.960 fascinating information that I never knew, especially when it comes 2184 02:00:52.960 --> 02:00:55.000 to atumutilation. So that's something I'm going to actually start 2185 02:00:55.079 --> 02:00:57.560 digging into myself. So definitely appreciate it. 2186 02:00:58.960 --> 02:01:01.359 Excellent. I'm sure we'll be talking again sometimes. 2187 02:01:02.000 --> 02:01:04.800 Definitely. You have a good night, you too. 2188 02:01:04.880 --> 02:01:09.239 Bye. 2189 02:01:10.880 --> 02:01:12.800 If you would like to be a guest on Tenfoil Tels, 2190 02:01:12.920 --> 02:01:15.359 remember to send an email to Tenfoil Tells Podcast to 2191 02:01:15.439 --> 02:01:18.319 gmail dot com, or you can also go to tenfoiltales 2192 02:01:18.359 --> 02:01:20.640 dot com and go to the contact section. Just make 2193 02:01:20.680 --> 02:01:22.119 sure to reach out and get a hold of me 2194 02:01:22.159 --> 02:01:24.359 and we will get something schedule for a future episode. 2195 02:01:24.479 --> 02:01:27.399 You can also find tenfoil Tales on Facebook and Instagram. 2196 02:01:27.800 --> 02:01:30.479 Just look for Tenfoil Tells podcast and reach out to 2197 02:01:30.520 --> 02:01:33.079 me that way too. 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