Speaker 1: Super Bowl fifty nine. The matchup has said it is
Speaker 1: the Chiefs and the Eagles. It's a rematch of Super
Speaker 1: Bowl fifty seven. Your early line, as case, is slight favorite.
Speaker 1: Let's break it down though. Our next guest joins us
Speaker 1: from time to time, and he's always good to give
Speaker 1: us time because he's very busy now because.
Speaker 2: He's very famous.
Speaker 1: His name is Ben Solac from ESPN on a Monday, Ben,
Speaker 1: Happy Monday, buddy.
Speaker 2: How are we doing?
Speaker 3: Hey?
Speaker 2: Well, I'm good, so I don't have to.
Speaker 1: Tell you that the internet is where cowards go to
Speaker 1: feel brave, correct, I think so?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Okay, good? Good?
Speaker 1: Because I look I just because I'll just tell you
Speaker 1: I watched the video that you posted and I thought, no,
Speaker 1: I'm I'm just saying I thought it made a ton
Speaker 1: of sense. I'm not sure why you're getting as much
Speaker 1: heat as you're getting, but you know, as somebody, and
Speaker 1: I'm speaking for myself who's been uh, you know, in
Speaker 1: the crossairs of like every fan base possible around here
Speaker 1: and BYU fan trying to get me canceled for years online,
Speaker 1: I just wanted to make sure that you're hanging in.
Speaker 2: You're doing all right.
Speaker 3: Thank you, man, I agree. I appreciate it.
Speaker 4: And when it is not the first time.
Speaker 3: I've had a take and then people get upset about
Speaker 3: it won't be the last part of the job.
Speaker 4: The good news that they say to the Super Bowl
Speaker 4: for free, the bad news and people get magi on
Speaker 4: the internet.
Speaker 3: It's just like any other jobs.
Speaker 2: Bats no biggy, fair enough.
Speaker 1: So for the people out there that don't live online, first,
Speaker 1: congratulations to you. Second of all, let's walk people through
Speaker 1: what went down. You were breaking down with a piece
Speaker 1: of video that I think you do as well as
Speaker 1: anybody out there.
Speaker 2: Why Josh Allen on that final throw.
Speaker 1: That was miraculous that he got it to former you
Speaker 1: Dalton Kink Do you thought he had a better look
Speaker 1: to go to Khalil Shaker.
Speaker 2: So let's hear about it.
Speaker 4: Yeah. The Bills walk out empty, right, they have four
Speaker 4: receivers to left, one receivers are the right, and then
Speaker 4: they do something that they do a lot on fourth and.
Speaker 3: Medium, third and medium.
Speaker 4: They motioned Khali into the bath field and they snap
Speaker 4: it while he's moving to the backfield. And most teams
Speaker 4: when they snap the guy moved to the backfield, that
Speaker 4: guy keeps running that direction. But the Bills like to
Speaker 4: have him slam on the brakes and then run back
Speaker 4: the way that he came, and then they'll throw it
Speaker 4: to him in the flat.
Speaker 3: He usually had a lot of space to create Yuard
Speaker 3: death to the cash. They did against the Chiefs.
Speaker 4: Last year on a fourth and three right around this field,
Speaker 4: converted and kept the drive going and eventually scored.
Speaker 3: There's a common look for them.
Speaker 4: Alan has the ability to go to Shakir right then
Speaker 4: and there.
Speaker 3: Right's the first read.
Speaker 4: He's the first option, or he can try to read
Speaker 4: out the rest.
Speaker 3: Of the of the passing concept and he gets his
Speaker 3: own coverage.
Speaker 4: It's not the best look for that motion, and so
Speaker 4: he decides not to throw out to Shakuir. And right
Speaker 4: if he makes that choice, he's got two free rushers
Speaker 4: coming down the pipe at him right, So he makes
Speaker 4: a choice again, I throwing this to Shakier. I'm going
Speaker 4: to try to create something out to my right, create
Speaker 4: something in space. He makes the first two rushers miss.
Speaker 4: There's a third guy who's there, turns it back to
Speaker 4: the inside and I have to heave up a prayer ball,
Speaker 4: almost caught by Dalton Kincaid, And so Alan made an
Speaker 4: incredible throw and I highly high difficulty physical play. He
Speaker 4: probably could have made another high difficulty physical play and
Speaker 4: made that throw to Shakir in space. You're throwing the
Speaker 4: ball quite far behind the line of scrimmage. There's a
Speaker 4: long way to go for the first down. But again,
Speaker 4: the Bills have done this on four and three multiple
Speaker 4: times over the last season. It's it's a designer play
Speaker 4: from Joe Brady, So I thought.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you could.
Speaker 4: You could have I think a different quarterback, a quarterback
Speaker 4: maybe less big of a moment, with less mahomes.
Speaker 3: Fear on his back, playing in Kansas City, trying and
Speaker 3: get to the Super Bowl. Maybe he would have just
Speaker 3: trusted the structure to play a little bit more.
Speaker 4: Maybe it would have just panic a little bit more,
Speaker 4: just strought it to some other guy.
Speaker 3: You solve this problem for me. Alan tried to put
Speaker 3: the team on his back very.
Speaker 4: Nearly did pretty much should have right, he should have
Speaker 4: caught the ball.
Speaker 3: But it is interesting to think about that play designed
Speaker 3: to go to Sekir. What would have happened if the
Speaker 3: pass went to him.
Speaker 1: That's all and entirely fair, and you back it up
Speaker 1: with video. I think it was Ryan Fitzpatrick, who kind
Speaker 1: of went at you and talked about the you know,
Speaker 1: you know the urgency of that moment when you have
Speaker 1: two free rushers kind of going at you, and you
Speaker 1: know you just kind of do what you can to
Speaker 1: try to make him play. What what's your reaction to
Speaker 1: kind of that portion of this conversation that Casey had
Speaker 1: two free pass rushers, that we were beaten down on
Speaker 1: Josh pretty quickly.
Speaker 3: Now, Ryan de'stally right. Ryan's point is like, you Ben
Speaker 3: have never been in a pocket and experience those two
Speaker 3: free rushers.
Speaker 4: So you think Alan had time to make this decision
Speaker 4: and the physical ability to make this throw. I don't
Speaker 4: think it fits, and I disagree right findamentally, It's one
Speaker 4: of those things where it's not like I said, it
Speaker 4: was a certain Coverridge sentences like no, actually, it's it's
Speaker 4: that coverage. It's like, oh shoot, like you've seen it right,
Speaker 4: I'm not seeing it right fitthite disagree about the amount
Speaker 4: of time Allen had and if he is physically capable
Speaker 4: of making that throw. Most people are going to agree
Speaker 4: to fifth had an eleven year career as anipal quarterback.
Speaker 3: I don't fall to that.
Speaker 4: I don't know, my job is to watch Josh Allen's play.
Speaker 4: Didn't get to play.
Speaker 3: They wasn't born as veg as Josh Allen, unfortunately.
Speaker 5: But my job is to watch Josh.
Speaker 4: Allen play and try to consider what could have happened
Speaker 4: on some plays, what should have happened on other plays.
Speaker 3: And I tried to do my job as well as
Speaker 3: I can.
Speaker 4: If you're like, hey, the NFL quarterbacks, that it could
Speaker 4: have happened, that it could have happened, all more power
Speaker 4: to you. I don't know.
Speaker 3: I've watched Josh Allen make them really spectacular.
Speaker 4: Throws, including the throw he did make on that play,
Speaker 4: so I think the thrown maskings to make as well
Speaker 4: within his physical capabilities. But it's a disagreement between two
Speaker 4: guys whose job it is to try to figure out.
Speaker 3: How football should have gone. And Fitz does really good work.
Speaker 3: I try to do really good.
Speaker 4: Work as well.
Speaker 2: Fair enough, fair enough, all right, moving on here.
Speaker 1: So my basketball life in the nineties specifically was steeped
Speaker 1: in two teams. One was the Utah Jazz and the
Speaker 1: other was the New York Knicks. And the one guy
Speaker 1: that had in common that took rings off their fingers
Speaker 1: every single year team, like was Mike was Michael Jordan?
Speaker 1: What is the Patrick Mahomes analogy? I've heard it all
Speaker 1: day Tiger on Sundays Messy. If you're a soccer fan,
Speaker 1: the Jordan one feels The Jordan one feels the most
Speaker 1: on point to me, because the bigger the moment was
Speaker 1: with Mike, the bigger that his performance was, and he
Speaker 1: always seemed to get it done in the NBA Finals
Speaker 1: where he won all six times he was there, And
Speaker 1: the bigger the moment is for Andy Reid and Patrick Mahomes,
Speaker 1: the bigger their answers are to the questions that are asked,
Speaker 1: what's the best Patrick Mahomes analogy that you've heard or
Speaker 1: maybe you have one of your own.
Speaker 3: I like the Jordan one, and it's tough for me.
Speaker 4: I don't have a great frame of reference because first
Speaker 4: the I'm I'm a younger guy, but then I also
Speaker 4: I grew up in like a football only household, and
Speaker 4: so a lot of times the crossbod analogies to me
Speaker 4: are based off just like my very like you know,
Speaker 4: skin deep understanding of some of these players.
Speaker 3: I do think the Jordan one, where.
Speaker 4: There's a sense of inevitability there's a sense of this
Speaker 4: man equals championship, and the route to which he gets
Speaker 4: there may not look the way we always expected to look.
Speaker 4: And he had these multiple errors of his career, but
Speaker 4: the guy's equal to championship.
Speaker 3: He was that caliber of player in those caliber of moments.
Speaker 4: I think that's probably the best sport.
Speaker 3: The sport one that comes to mind.
Speaker 4: Playing the homes just like playing quicksand right, I mean,
Speaker 4: it's like playing a black hole.
Speaker 3: Okay, you can do stuff in the middle.
Speaker 4: We all know the end of the story, right, it's
Speaker 4: the inevitability of there's just a force that draws you
Speaker 4: in to a game that's happened through the fourth quarter.
Speaker 3: That's a one score.
Speaker 4: Game where you've gotten love and banged up, and they've
Speaker 4: got a lot bit banged up, and you've gotten your
Speaker 4: stops and they've gotten the stops and you've gotten your
Speaker 4: lucky breaks. But Patrick Malves is just gonna lean on
Speaker 4: you a little bit too much for a little bit
Speaker 4: too long, and eventually you're gonna break.
Speaker 5: Right.
Speaker 4: This Bill's team man three and a half minutes left
Speaker 4: down by three. The Bills.
Speaker 5: If you interviewed every single Buffalo Bill and you say Hey,
Speaker 5: if I give you three and a half minutesest in
Speaker 5: the game, all three timeouts, you're down by three, you
Speaker 5: have the ball.
Speaker 3: Where you take that?
Speaker 4: They all would have said, yes, I guess it says it.
Speaker 3: Yes, we could do it. We have the ball, we
Speaker 3: have controlled the clock. We're gonna go beat this team.
Speaker 3: And then they did it.
Speaker 5: And that's that's credit to the chief defense.
Speaker 4: And obviously the Chiefs often fixed them the first time.
Speaker 4: That's necessary, but that's what it feels like to play
Speaker 4: the Chiefs. You can even get that situation that you
Speaker 4: were hoping for. We have we have a chance to
Speaker 4: go win the game as the clock expires, and yet
Speaker 4: still you just can't escape the poll of these guys.
Speaker 3: It's very challenging.
Speaker 1: So you'll know this was was Peyton Owen six against Brady?
Speaker 1: Was that the number? He was oho and six before
Speaker 1: he was able to break through?
Speaker 4: I think, so I'll do all check right now, I would.
Speaker 2: Say, okay, yeah, something like that.
Speaker 1: So instead of making a crossboard analogy, maybe we can
Speaker 1: just stick with the NFL, because I need to kick
Speaker 1: the tires with you on where you're at with Josh now.
Speaker 1: I mean, I said on Friday, Ben I'm riding with
Speaker 1: the Bills. I feel like it's Josh's time. Then I said,
Speaker 1: I fully anticipate sitting on my couch Sunday evening shaking
Speaker 1: my head, going you idiot, which is exactly what happened.
Speaker 1: But I have a hard time believing in twenty eight
Speaker 1: he's never gonna be able to get it done. Today,
Speaker 1: where are you at, simply with Josh Allen?
Speaker 6: Yeah, so it was six straight and absolutely I really
Speaker 6: hope when I sit down with my daughter, sit down
Speaker 6: with my kids, oh, you know whatever, it's twenty years
Speaker 6: from now, I'm going to be able to look back.
Speaker 4: At the history of NFL football and circle the Josh
Speaker 4: Allen MVP season and circle the Josh Allen Super Bowl
Speaker 4: victory and say, you know, that is an accurate reflection.
Speaker 3: Of the quarterback that I watched. But the reality is that.
Speaker 4: We have gotten the best Josh Allen season he's ever seen.
Speaker 4: It was the lowest interception rate in the season.
Speaker 3: Of his entire career.
Speaker 4: Not only was it his best season in terms of
Speaker 4: not taking sacks in his career, it's from a sack
Speaker 4: of pressure dropback ratio, It's probably the best season for
Speaker 4: avoiding sacks that we've ever seen. We just got the
Speaker 4: best Josh Allen we've ever seen, and Lamar is probably
Speaker 4: gonna win MVP, and Josh isn't going to win a
Speaker 4: super Bowl. And so it is my firm belief for Josh,
Speaker 4: and I said it's about Lamar after he lost to Allan.
Speaker 3: My firm belief is that a quarterback this good, it's
Speaker 3: going to eventually win a Super Bowl.
Speaker 6: Right that.
Speaker 4: If I understand anything about football, it says the quarterback
Speaker 4: kind of sets the ceiling in your floor. And these
Speaker 4: guys say extremely high feelings and extremely high floors. The
Speaker 4: problem is that fifteen is just sitting on top of
Speaker 4: this conference right now. Mahomes and the Chiefs are are
Speaker 4: they they feeling again that immovable object, that black hole,
Speaker 4: that inevitability. It's the sort of thing where the dam
Speaker 4: doesn't break until it does. Right, You accumulate hits, and
Speaker 4: you try, and you try, and you fail, and you
Speaker 4: fail again and again and again. But at some point,
Speaker 4: you know, Ravens last year had the home game, you know,
Speaker 4: Builds this year, we're a better.
Speaker 3: Team on paper.
Speaker 4: At some point somebody gets it up, breaks to beat
Speaker 4: the Chiefs the way that Joe Burrow beat the Chiefs
Speaker 4: and then the dam breaks, Right, Joe Burrow beat the
Speaker 4: Chiefs in the playoffs in twenty twenty one. We are
Speaker 4: still talking about it four years later, right, Bengals happened? Done?
Speaker 4: Anything really has a team since then. But once you
Speaker 4: get that one wain, once you get that metal around
Speaker 4: your chest, you ascend above the feeling of it.
Speaker 3: You say, Okay, we know we can beat these guys
Speaker 3: in January football. So I believe joshing Room win a
Speaker 3: Super Bowl, I really do.
Speaker 4: I believe with Marston went a Super Bowl, I really do.
Speaker 4: I sure would like if it already happened, because we're
Speaker 4: starting to get into our late twenty and you know,
Speaker 4: you know, hits so to accumulate, but they're too good.
Speaker 4: Of course, I think it's gonna happen. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And the other thing is you reference not just Mahomes
Speaker 1: being on top of the conversation, but you know Jordan
Speaker 1: late in his career, in his thirties, You're like, all right,
Speaker 1: he's going to go away at some point. Mahomes is
Speaker 1: twenty nine and ultimately for teams to win NBA championships
Speaker 1: when Mike was it, you know, in his heyday are
Speaker 1: at his prime. They had to wait for him to
Speaker 1: trade his basketball shoes for baseball cleats for two years,
Speaker 1: which allowed a lajo On in the Rockets to go
Speaker 1: win a couple of championships, and both the Knicks and
Speaker 1: the Jazz blew it with their opportunity when Mike was
Speaker 1: you know, Mike was not playing basketball.
Speaker 2: Is it going to be something similar? Like if Mahomes
Speaker 2: is healthy.
Speaker 1: Every single year, he's only a year older than Josh,
Speaker 1: you know, are are they going to have to wait
Speaker 1: for him to either get hurt or go away for
Speaker 1: a while in your opinion?
Speaker 4: I don't think so.
Speaker 3: I mean, that might end up being what happens.
Speaker 4: Right, you end up getting a gifty Mahomes, Right, Buccaneers
Speaker 4: and chief Super Bowl when that game came, Like, maybe.
Speaker 3: That's what ends up being.
Speaker 4: But again, like this year kind of should have been
Speaker 4: in the air. They didn't have great basket backs off
Speaker 4: the left side. You know, Kelsey is starting to really
Speaker 4: fall off terms of his efficacy. The Chiefs are going
Speaker 4: to roll in the next year and a lot of
Speaker 4: the same problems how they have this year. And so
Speaker 4: this is this is a beatable team.
Speaker 3: It is we have to remember in the NFL playoffs, we.
Speaker 4: Played best of one series, right, we don't play best
Speaker 4: to sevens. You think about the way that you can
Speaker 4: kind of accumulate some confidence, you can you can experiment
Speaker 4: and find some weaknesses in an NBA series, playing seven
Speaker 4: games in an MLB series, different pictures, different looks. In
Speaker 4: the NFL, we played best of one, And so when
Speaker 4: the Chiefs beat the Bills like this, we say, all right, yeah,
Speaker 4: the Chiefs are never going to lose.
Speaker 3: Man a lot of.
Speaker 4: Universes where the Chiefs lose this game, right, calls go
Speaker 4: a different way on fourth and one, you know, the
Speaker 4: fourth dunkin k catches the pass that we have to
Speaker 4: remember that even though we get that outcome, since it
Speaker 4: is the best of one series, it feels finite field
Speaker 4: of one hundred percent yes, zero percent no, when that's
Speaker 4: not necessarily the case. And so I think they can
Speaker 4: beat the Chiefs without something drastic or dramatic happening to
Speaker 4: Ma Holmes.
Speaker 3: With that said, and something draftic.
Speaker 4: Or dramatic happens to Homes, yeah, you can bet the
Speaker 4: Bills and the Ravens are a meeting going to shove
Speaker 4: every chip they have all in because that's that's the
Speaker 4: best window that they've had quite some.
Speaker 1: Time before we get to Commander's Eagles. I'm just gonna
Speaker 1: ask you, I'm I'm not. I never have been. I
Speaker 1: don't do the job as a blame the refs guy
Speaker 1: unless it's completely egregious. And it's really easy to say
Speaker 1: that because Travis Kelcey is dating Taylor Swift. Roger Goodell
Speaker 1: wants the attention continue to continue for his league. It's
Speaker 1: not like they need it. I don't believe in conspiracy theories.
Speaker 1: I'm not a wormhole guy either, but you see the
Speaker 1: fourth down that the potentially buffalo should have been rewarded
Speaker 1: a first down, and a lot of people been are
Speaker 1: simply just drawing the line, and I think it's kind
Speaker 1: of lazy.
Speaker 2: But is there any meat on that phone in your opinion?
Speaker 4: No, I think that what people really underestimate.
Speaker 3: Then are a few things in my opinion.
Speaker 4: But first is that man, if the Lease were rigging gains,
Speaker 4: I promise you they'd they would like the Bills to
Speaker 4: have attended the Super Bowl the way public sent minutes
Speaker 4: right now with the excitement of getting kind of Josh
Speaker 4: Allen that Super Bowl win, and you know, oh, contender
Speaker 4: to the chief and think about the amount of content
Speaker 4: we would manufacture it if Allen finally knocked off the
Speaker 4: Mahomes and they went they beat the Eagles in the
Speaker 4: Super Bowl, there's a new king of the AFC Alan
Speaker 4: Mahomes burrow, Lamar, how do you rank up? Like my problem?
Speaker 4: If you from a content perspective, like a three P
Speaker 4: is cool, but it doesn't last nearly as long as
Speaker 4: the new champion Bills with their first Super Bowl up
Speaker 4: as a franchise. So one, if we weren't riggad things,
Speaker 4: we'd we'd be doing it the other way. The second
Speaker 4: thing is that's really hard to rag things man like
Speaker 4: you think it wouldn't have gone out right now if
Speaker 4: if the Chiefs were very clearly getting it a favorable
Speaker 4: calls intentionally. Now, I think that the Chiefs play a
Speaker 4: lot of primetime games, and a lot of people watch
Speaker 4: those primetime games and see them much more than they
Speaker 4: see the Carolina Panthers play, and the Chicago Bears play,
Speaker 4: and then the Minnesota Vikings play.
Speaker 3: And in those primetime games, the.
Speaker 4: Chiefs, who have won seventeen straight one score games, it
Speaker 4: is an NFL record. Well, when you play seventeen one
Speaker 4: score games and you win them all. Yes, there's going
Speaker 4: to feel like an outsized number of calls that are
Speaker 4: benefiting you and you alone, and one score games. One
Speaker 4: play can make the difference. So we have a lot
Speaker 4: of televised games and a lot of one score games.
Speaker 4: There's an availability by us here. More people have seen
Speaker 4: favorable calls through the Chiefs way, just because more people
Speaker 4: have watched the Chiefs than have watched any other team.
Speaker 3: So to me, there's no credim to it.
Speaker 4: But yeah, I mean, anytime we get a call, I
Speaker 4: get to ask for my mom, I get to ask
Speaker 4: for my brother in law, I got to text my cousin,
Speaker 4: I gets my buddy's trying to talk to him ten
Speaker 4: years because they all want to know what the NFL's
Speaker 4: got to do.
Speaker 3: Rigaby's games.
Speaker 2: A couple of local questions for you.
Speaker 1: Andy Reid ties Don Shula second most Super Bowls of
Speaker 1: all time? Should they win the Super Bowl? What's that
Speaker 1: conversation sound like? And I'm not like, hey, what's his legacy?
Speaker 1: But he's got to be on the shortlist and one
Speaker 1: of the best to ever do this job.
Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely, And we and you know, we just spent
Speaker 4: a lot of time talking about Josh and what he
Speaker 4: can look like For Josh, we got to remember how
Speaker 4: we talked about Andy in the early two thousands, right
Speaker 4: with those Eagles teams, Andy can get it done. Andy's
Speaker 4: never going to be the guy in the postseason.
Speaker 3: His teams consistently fail.
Speaker 4: And now you watch him with the Chiefs, where you know,
Speaker 4: listen to those bills cues. They're running stuff we've never seen.
Speaker 4: They're walking out with designer packages. We weren't prepared for
Speaker 4: thinking about all the Mahomes runs and the design runs
Speaker 4: they scored on the Chief's ability in recent postseasons to
Speaker 4: walk out just a couple of designer things on offense,
Speaker 4: a few things they installed just to beat you, just
Speaker 4: to make sure they get that fourth down, make sure
Speaker 4: they get that touchdout instead of a field goal.
Speaker 3: And Ree has become one of.
Speaker 4: The best postseason coaches of all time in terms of
Speaker 4: not just wins and appearances.
Speaker 3: But how mes adjusting week over a week.
Speaker 4: They have such a deep bag of options because of
Speaker 4: his long experience, and so absolutely he's going to be
Speaker 4: up there one of the best coaches of all time,
Speaker 4: certainly one of the most successful postseason coaches of all time.
Speaker 4: And he's a good story. He's a good cautionary tale
Speaker 4: that we should not use early career postseason success to
Speaker 4: define what a player's or a coach's career in the
Speaker 4: postseason is actually going to be.
Speaker 1: What's fair to say about our guy, Dalton Kinkaid on
Speaker 1: that final throw?
Speaker 2: What's fair to say?
Speaker 1: Because I'm sure he's wearing it, man, knowing that kid,
Speaker 1: I'm sure he's depressed.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think he said extremely well himself. When the
Speaker 4: asked about after the game, he said, sucks a lot, Right,
Speaker 4: not much else to say, Oh, you know, the ball
Speaker 4: this way and if this happened, not.
Speaker 3: Sucks a lot.
Speaker 4: And you can even see him when he misses the
Speaker 4: catch watching the film back this morning. Not only does
Speaker 4: he miss it, when he sees the ball bounce past him,
Speaker 4: he does like a Looney Tunes cartoon, like his head snaps.
Speaker 3: Over to it.
Speaker 4: You see his eyes pop out of his helmet. He
Speaker 4: collapses on the ground. He couldn't believe it right, he
Speaker 4: saw the ball in the air for ages. He was
Speaker 4: just so confident he was going to get into basket catch.
Speaker 4: It's away from your frame, but still some sort of
Speaker 4: catch you expect to make in that moment. Kinkai was
Speaker 4: the first round pick for the Bills. They clearly wanted
Speaker 4: to have a tight end they could run the passing game. Three.
Speaker 4: You've seen that, not just with Travis Kelcey, but with
Speaker 4: recent guys they came. Train McBride for the Cardinals, Brock
Speaker 4: Howers for the Raiders. He just has not worked out
Speaker 4: for the Bills. Kin Kate has not been a juicy
Speaker 4: enough guy with the ball in his hands. He's not
Speaker 4: been a consistent enough catch with the football that kind
Speaker 4: of entered the spread the wells passing game. So it's tricky, right,
Speaker 4: he's their starting tight end. He makes a couple of
Speaker 4: good plays from out of the course of the season,
Speaker 4: but certainly he's I think underwhelmed relative expectation. And then
Speaker 4: in this moment, Yeah, sucks a lot that there's nothing
Speaker 4: to really say that that contextualizes that play. Besides, that
Speaker 4: was the worst thing that could have happened, and I
Speaker 4: feel terrible.
Speaker 1: Moving over to Philly Washington, let's just start with a
Speaker 1: macro question about a kid who we watched out here
Speaker 1: in the PAC twelve footprint before he went to LSU
Speaker 1: and Jaden Daniels and you know the Commanders, what thirty
Speaker 1: three years between conference championship appearances.
Speaker 2: And you know the Dan Snyder years.
Speaker 1: I love the ESPN piece where he's like pissed that
Speaker 1: they're good.
Speaker 4: I mean, oh good.
Speaker 1: I mean talk about like there are very very few
Speaker 1: things in sports that we can come to a consensus
Speaker 1: on that might be the closest one that everybody's like,
Speaker 1: screw that, dude, But I feel really happy for that
Speaker 1: fan base. What does year one with Jayden under center
Speaker 1: say to you about what could be next for that
Speaker 1: organization for a decade plus?
Speaker 4: Extremely pointed, extremely accurate, extremely smart, extremely tough, like we
Speaker 4: were just checking boxes. Man. And I remember when Stroud
Speaker 4: came into the postseason last year and I said, dude,
Speaker 4: like you get you get him a playoff game, Like
Speaker 4: that's such a good experience for the guy, just to
Speaker 4: field postings and football, Like they win that game, they
Speaker 4: get to go on the road to Kansas City, Like
Speaker 4: this is just an excellent building block for a young player.
Speaker 3: With Jaden, you.
Speaker 5: Get two World playoff games and he wins them both
Speaker 5: playing really excellent football the whole time.
Speaker 4: He didn't even need the learning curve. Right. Oh, this
Speaker 4: is what postingson football is like. He kind of already
Speaker 4: walked in when some of that championship DNA and his blood.
Speaker 4: So check every single box for you. Now, you want
Speaker 4: to get a little bit more serious about your offensive line, right,
Speaker 4: which they played well this year and they probably punched
Speaker 4: a little bit above their weight, but left tackle still
Speaker 4: a little bit of a question mark. You know, the
Speaker 4: left guard position struggled against the Eagles that they had
Speaker 4: their start, and the left guard right guard there the
Speaker 4: backup obviously the depths was really tested as well. And
Speaker 4: so you're gonna have to get a little more serious
Speaker 4: fout offensive line because even though you're gonna be a
Speaker 4: quick passing team, you really want to protect Jaden, who's
Speaker 4: white thin, from accumulating additional hits. He's going to accumulate
Speaker 4: some because of how much he runs, so you really
Speaker 4: want to be careful about not putting too many on
Speaker 4: the pile. And so I get pretty serious fol offensive line.
Speaker 4: And then from a team like Horizon perspective, when Adam
Speaker 4: Peters and Dan Quinn sat down started planning out life
Speaker 4: with Jaden Daniels, you know, April May June.
Speaker 3: Of this past year.
Speaker 4: They said, all right, you know, one year horizon if
Speaker 4: the guy hits, and then maybe we draft the wide receiver,
Speaker 4: maybe we trade back a little bit. You know, maybe
Speaker 4: a year three we're signing big free agents. No, you
Speaker 4: accelerate the process, right, you are calling Key Higgen's agent tomorrow, right,
Speaker 4: best free agent that's available at wide receiver, and you're saying,
Speaker 4: all right, what's the price tag? Because if we can
Speaker 4: if we can even date Jade Daniels with weapons, then
Speaker 4: we have the ability to really make a three year
Speaker 4: window here where he's extremely cheap relative to the market,
Speaker 4: but he's a franchise caliber quarterback and we could take
Speaker 4: some earner shots at winning this thing right and making
Speaker 4: a push in the NFC. N if he's not very strong,
Speaker 4: it's spenser really isn't right lines losing coordinators. Eagles obviously
Speaker 4: played quite well the season, but Jail Hurts is a
Speaker 4: bit of a question mark long term for them. So yeah,
Speaker 4: if you you are in a position where you start
Speaker 4: shoving chips into the middle, and rightfully so is.
Speaker 1: It's Philly the best team on paper and pro football.
Speaker 1: I mean, you reference Jalen Hurts and it seems like
Speaker 1: everybody talks about, all right, the two most important things
Speaker 1: you need in pro football elite quarterback, elite coach. And
Speaker 1: I feel like I here a lot of people questioned
Speaker 1: Nick Sirianni, and to your point, a lot of people
Speaker 1: don't believe Jalen is that guy. But what does that
Speaker 1: say about the roster that Howie Roseman's built around them?
Speaker 2: Are they the best roster in pro football?
Speaker 4: Question? After position her equal? It absolutely is.
Speaker 3: It wasn't supposed to be.
Speaker 4: They drafted outside their minds, right, I mean the value
Speaker 4: that they got from Quinna Mitchell and Cooper Degene both
Speaker 4: in the draft, Zack Ballons on a one year deals,
Speaker 4: but first team All Pro linebacker.
Speaker 3: They obviously really well on a guy.
Speaker 4: In Jalen, Carter, Nolan Smith, Milton Williams, Jordan Davis. These
Speaker 4: are all recent draft picks. Man like, they ran very
Speaker 4: hot in player acquisition. Now, usually the best team in
Speaker 4: football did exactly that, right, and you're hot for a
Speaker 4: couple of years and your call for a couple of
Speaker 4: years and somebody else takes the crown. But how Rosen
Speaker 4: has now done this a few times where he's able
Speaker 4: to just quickly accumulate some talent plug a lot of
Speaker 4: a position with veteran stop gaps and with first year
Speaker 4: rookie starters, and all of a sudden bank you got
Speaker 4: yourself a contender. And so pass off the high rosman
Speaker 4: who has a very shrewd understanding of the risks to
Speaker 4: take where to invest. We're not to invest, how to
Speaker 4: double up and triple up on certain positions offensive line investment.
Speaker 4: Eagles are constantly putting bodies there. It's been to their benefit.
Speaker 4: So yeah, I think the rosters have built extremely well.
Speaker 3: The best team.
Speaker 4: Goes in to write some more play calling stuff. You know.
Speaker 4: The Eagles are built to win a very specific style
Speaker 4: of game. They need to have the league. They need
Speaker 4: to run the football. They can't fall behind too much.
Speaker 4: There's weaknesses to the team on the rockstrong paper. Yeah, Sam,
Speaker 4: the cern most sounded in the league.
Speaker 1: All right, Ben, before I said you lose, the early
Speaker 1: line is Casey minus one point five the over runners
Speaker 1: forty nine point five. So Vegas likes Kansas City, but
Speaker 1: only slightly. What is what's the Ben Solac very early
Speaker 1: take on the Super Bowl that we'll see in a
Speaker 1: couple of weeks.
Speaker 3: I think Chiefs favorite is correct.
Speaker 4: I think we're going to see this clolls around two
Speaker 4: and a half, maybe two and a half with you know,
Speaker 4: kind of juice toward the Eagles or what have you.
Speaker 4: But the Chiefs are a team that's been here much
Speaker 4: more a much many more times. They've been here before
Speaker 4: that to beat Eagles a couple of years ago in Mahomes,
Speaker 4: you have a quarterback, you cross a lot more in
Speaker 4: a trailing game.
Speaker 3: Script than you do the Eagles.
Speaker 4: The thing that I keep coming back to with the
Speaker 4: Eagles that we have not seen this team trail in
Speaker 4: the second half, you know, like we're talking about trail
Speaker 4: the fourth quarter, trail by multiple scores in the third quarter,
Speaker 4: really have a negative game script. We haven't seen this
Speaker 4: since Week four as the pain the Buccaneers. Everybody was hurt,
Speaker 4: right they know a J Brown or devasics ment, no
Speaker 4: Lyn Johnson and they lost. Since then, it's been one
Speaker 4: score deficits in the third quarter. They's one such a
Speaker 4: good job controlling the clock and winning on their game
Speaker 4: script that we don't really know what this team looks
Speaker 4: like if they could throw their way out of a hole.
Speaker 4: Which is a crazy thing to say in the last
Speaker 4: week of January, but it's true.
Speaker 3: We have not seen that from this version.
Speaker 4: Of the team. And so if you tell me Eagles
Speaker 4: are up twenty eight to fourteen with fourteen minutes plus
Speaker 4: in the game, I'm like, oh, man, Chiefs can still
Speaker 4: win this thing.
Speaker 3: You reverse that.
Speaker 4: Chie's up fourteen to fourteen minutes plus. I have no
Speaker 4: idea if the Eagles have the ability to operate the
Speaker 4: offense right, if they can't live with the safe one
Speaker 4: Barkley carries and make sure they get to second and five,
Speaker 4: so on and so forth. So I've worked out about
Speaker 4: the Eagles.
Speaker 3: I think the Chiefs the of the right team to
Speaker 3: be favored.
Speaker 4: But hey, if Eagles end up getting that first half lete,
Speaker 4: they can make sure that Mames only gets two three
Speaker 4: per cent and salt that game. Base. Give me a good.
Speaker 2: One, Ben, you're the man.
Speaker 1: Appreciate the time and ignore all of them. I know
Speaker 1: you know this, but you know I got your back, buddy.
Speaker 1: So great work and we'll chat soon.
Speaker 3: Thank you, appreciate it. You have going all right.
Speaker 1: The great Ben solac Over at ESPN released what I
Speaker 1: thought to be was a very fair video of the
Speaker 1: options Josh Allen had on that fourth and five, namely,
Speaker 1: the Khalil Shakier option as they put him in motion,
Speaker 1: and when you look at it, he did have a
Speaker 1: ton of space in front of him. Now, Josh had
Speaker 1: a couple of free rushers right in his face, and
Speaker 1: I just aim so gutted for Daldon king k But Porty,
Speaker 1: you have some Now, let's make sure we're not doing
Speaker 1: what the Jazz did after they lost to the Clippers,
Speaker 1: and they're like, oh, by the way, Rudy was hurt
Speaker 1: and Donovan had a sore ankle, but you have some
Speaker 1: context on what Dalton's been dealing with.
Speaker 7: Yet, Yeah, well, obviously he dropped the pass. He was
Speaker 7: in position to make that play. It's it's no excuse
Speaker 7: for that. But yeah, Dalton's been He's been playing with
Speaker 7: torn pcl and and some legit image to his knee
Speaker 7: for parts of the playoffs. So he's been He's been
Speaker 7: playing through some stuff, which is no surprise if you
Speaker 7: know anything about Daltonkon Katie's actually kind of a pretty
Speaker 7: unfortunate injury history. He just happens to play through it all,
Speaker 7: which I mean some players end up doing that. But
Speaker 7: that's part of the context to his postseason.
Speaker 1: Oh, Bishop got his first starts and played well. Actually
Speaker 1: saved the touchdown at the beginning with a tackle on
Speaker 1: I think it was Kareem Hunt, but got trucked a
Speaker 1: little bit at the end.
Speaker 2: There