WEBVTT 1 00:00:07.719 --> 00:00:10.240 The trope of being the friend who will help someone 2 00:00:10.320 --> 00:00:14.160 hide a body has been in Hollywood movies, songs, and 3 00:00:14.240 --> 00:00:17.239 of course the Internet memes for a long long time. 4 00:00:18.160 --> 00:00:20.359 But I want you to ask yourself. I want you 5 00:00:20.399 --> 00:00:24.120 to ask that question for real, could you help dispose 6 00:00:24.160 --> 00:00:27.879 of a body? Or better yet, how would you feel 7 00:00:28.000 --> 00:00:32.280 if you learned that you already have without even knowing it. 8 00:00:32.799 --> 00:00:36.039 Today we talk about a case that involves all of that. 9 00:00:37.039 --> 00:00:40.399 This is the story of Shannon Graves and how she 10 00:00:40.560 --> 00:00:45.119 was murdered, dismembered, and stuffed into a freezer. 11 00:00:46.560 --> 00:00:49.799 My name's Ben, I'm Nicole, and you're listening to Wicked 12 00:00:49.840 --> 00:00:52.200 and Graham, a true crime podcast. 13 00:00:53.799 --> 00:00:55.640 The following podcast. 14 00:01:01.079 --> 00:01:24.680 Listeners, that was quite an intro. You think, so would 15 00:01:24.760 --> 00:01:27.640 you hide a body? I don't know if I can 16 00:01:27.680 --> 00:01:30.760 help someone hide a body. That's the I can't if. 17 00:01:30.640 --> 00:01:33.400 I can honestly answer the question, because it's so tough. 18 00:01:33.400 --> 00:01:35.159 We all like, oh, yeah, you're my best friend or 19 00:01:35.359 --> 00:01:37.959 significant other needs to help hiding a body. I'd be there. 20 00:01:38.680 --> 00:01:41.959 But it's also like, would you actually. 21 00:01:41.719 --> 00:01:44.319 Well, because you also have to think of living with 22 00:01:44.480 --> 00:01:47.040 that right after the fact, Yeah, it would eat you alive. 23 00:01:47.159 --> 00:01:49.760 Probably, I think for a lot of people though, it 24 00:01:49.760 --> 00:01:53.000 would be the potential of even getting caught, because now 25 00:01:53.040 --> 00:01:55.599 it's like if this person didn't cover their tracks, but 26 00:01:55.760 --> 00:01:58.079 you don't know if they have already, you're just being 27 00:01:58.079 --> 00:02:00.920 called to the scene. Are you now going to be 28 00:02:01.000 --> 00:02:02.599 held accountable for what happened as well? 29 00:02:03.120 --> 00:02:05.920 Yeah? Because like you if you say, if you didn't 30 00:02:06.159 --> 00:02:09.120 kill them, I mean you would get charged for a 31 00:02:09.159 --> 00:02:10.840 lot less, but you would still get charged. 32 00:02:11.000 --> 00:02:12.120 Oh definitely, right. 33 00:02:12.039 --> 00:02:15.919 Yeah, that's that's that's a tough one. 34 00:02:16.000 --> 00:02:18.800 Yeah, we'll look at the difference of being the one 35 00:02:18.840 --> 00:02:21.680 to do the murdering versus being the one to just 36 00:02:21.879 --> 00:02:26.439 help later on here in this episode. Okay, but first, 37 00:02:26.479 --> 00:02:29.199 before we get into the actual show, I did have 38 00:02:29.240 --> 00:02:32.159 an announcement I wanted to make to everybody. If you've 39 00:02:32.199 --> 00:02:34.759 been a long time listener, you probably know you know, 40 00:02:34.800 --> 00:02:36.719 we've got all our pets, right, We've got chickens, we've 41 00:02:36.759 --> 00:02:39.639 got two dogs, We've got Honey and Ripley, and we 42 00:02:39.680 --> 00:02:43.520 also have our cat, Kiwi. Kiwi was almost sixteen years 43 00:02:43.520 --> 00:02:47.319 old and unfortunately he has passed away. He If you 44 00:02:47.400 --> 00:02:50.599 go back to the very earlier episodes, we actually announced 45 00:02:50.680 --> 00:02:53.000 Kiwi as our official mascot of the show too, So 46 00:02:54.000 --> 00:02:56.319 he was a black cat. He lived his best life 47 00:02:56.360 --> 00:02:57.240 with us in this tiny home. 48 00:02:57.240 --> 00:02:59.120 I can tell you that much. He was king of 49 00:02:59.159 --> 00:03:00.479 the castle, that's for sure. 50 00:03:00.599 --> 00:03:03.800 He was. And we really miss him. And we put 51 00:03:03.879 --> 00:03:06.400 a little post on Patreon, and the support from you 52 00:03:06.439 --> 00:03:08.960 guys over there was a lot and meant a lot, 53 00:03:09.039 --> 00:03:09.919 So thank you very much. 54 00:03:10.199 --> 00:03:12.759 Yeah, we were definitely missing I mean, he had a 55 00:03:12.840 --> 00:03:15.759 dang good life, but gosh he did. There is a 56 00:03:15.840 --> 00:03:17.800 void in this house now for sure. 57 00:03:18.280 --> 00:03:20.319 But it's not to say he didn't live a good life. 58 00:03:20.319 --> 00:03:22.599 It's not to late say he didn't have a good 59 00:03:22.639 --> 00:03:26.280 life span. Our time all comes to an end, right, 60 00:03:26.400 --> 00:03:29.400 and unfortunately it was his. We were with him at 61 00:03:29.400 --> 00:03:32.000 the end though, so we're happy happy for that. 62 00:03:32.879 --> 00:03:36.000 Yeah, we won't have our best Halloween decoration anymore, hey, no, 63 00:03:36.240 --> 00:03:37.439 come October. 64 00:03:37.560 --> 00:03:39.919 Yeah, he was our best Halloween decoration. He was the 65 00:03:39.960 --> 00:03:44.280 world's softest Kiwi. He was a lot of things, and 66 00:03:44.400 --> 00:03:46.800 in recent last couple of years we started calling him 67 00:03:46.800 --> 00:03:49.000 old Man Kiwi and the last few months that was 68 00:03:49.039 --> 00:03:55.479 really becoming a relevant name for him. Yeah, unfortunately. Yeah, 69 00:03:55.560 --> 00:03:58.080 but besides that, we just wanted to say thank you 70 00:03:58.120 --> 00:04:01.000 guys for the support and you know, just go give 71 00:04:01.039 --> 00:04:03.759 your go give your fur babies a little little pet 72 00:04:03.800 --> 00:04:05.719 to pat in a snuggle, because you know, I. 73 00:04:05.800 --> 00:04:08.439 Know, like, I mean, he lived, he was fifteen years old. 74 00:04:08.479 --> 00:04:10.800 But I just feel like with pets, it's just never 75 00:04:10.840 --> 00:04:13.080 long enough? Is it? Never long enough? 76 00:04:13.439 --> 00:04:19.959 No, never is. But such as life, this is a 77 00:04:19.959 --> 00:04:22.160 bit of a rough shift. But into that we're gonna 78 00:04:22.199 --> 00:04:24.839 from that, We're gonna go into Patreon. Thank our Patreon subscribers. 79 00:04:24.839 --> 00:04:26.480 I mean, you guys are the ones who I just 80 00:04:26.560 --> 00:04:29.600 thanked for those incredible comments. So I guess maybe it's 81 00:04:29.600 --> 00:04:30.639 not that bad of a shift. 82 00:04:30.720 --> 00:04:31.560 No, it's not too bad. 83 00:04:32.040 --> 00:04:34.279 So individuals who signed up this week to go support 84 00:04:34.360 --> 00:04:35.800 us over there and would have been able to see 85 00:04:35.800 --> 00:04:42.560 that KEYWI post is Laura Lacey, Norman Bryner, Kimberly, Tuscin Tack, 86 00:04:43.240 --> 00:04:48.800 Mason Anderson, Haley Fisher, and Bobby thank you very much. 87 00:04:48.839 --> 00:04:49.600 We appreciate it. 88 00:04:49.720 --> 00:04:51.600 Yeah, that's awesome, Thank you so much. 89 00:04:51.720 --> 00:04:54.399 Yeah, they are getting a live episode coming up here too. 90 00:04:54.480 --> 00:04:57.160 Oh yeah, ding Dan, which we got to prepare for. 91 00:04:57.360 --> 00:05:00.600 Oh, how is it already like the end of August Wild. 92 00:05:00.800 --> 00:05:04.040 It's absurd, but it's it's the situation we're in. 93 00:05:04.079 --> 00:05:06.399 Apparently we had to turn our furnace on this morning. 94 00:05:07.000 --> 00:05:09.480 Yeah it wasn't like super cold, but it was like, oh, 95 00:05:09.680 --> 00:05:10.480 there's a bite in there. 96 00:05:10.560 --> 00:05:13.000 You know, you are really chilly. He couldn't sleep last 97 00:05:13.079 --> 00:05:14.000 night and he was so chilly. 98 00:05:14.120 --> 00:05:17.319 It's not that I was chilly, it's I wasn't cozy. 99 00:05:17.680 --> 00:05:21.279 There's a difference. Okay, there's a big difference. Okay, Okay, 100 00:05:21.439 --> 00:05:23.040 what did I say this morning? I am a fair, 101 00:05:23.279 --> 00:05:24.240 fair weathered fellow. 102 00:05:24.279 --> 00:05:27.879 Now I don't know what's cute. 103 00:05:28.800 --> 00:05:31.279 Anyways, let's get onto this episode. So have you heard 104 00:05:31.319 --> 00:05:33.199 of the story of Shanning Graves. 105 00:05:33.600 --> 00:05:34.240 I don't think so. 106 00:05:34.560 --> 00:05:38.639 No, well I didn't about day it's uh, well, yeah, 107 00:05:38.680 --> 00:05:40.680 I kind of already touched on a little bit. There 108 00:05:40.720 --> 00:05:43.959 is some some gruesomeness to this case, and there's I 109 00:05:44.000 --> 00:05:45.720 will admit, this one's almost like a bit of a 110 00:05:45.720 --> 00:05:49.040 soap opera. How it goes out or how it goes down. Okay, 111 00:05:49.160 --> 00:05:50.959 so there is gonna be a little bit of like 112 00:05:51.519 --> 00:05:53.240 this and that and that and this like kind of 113 00:05:53.279 --> 00:05:55.839 back and forth is happening with how this this episode's 114 00:05:55.839 --> 00:05:57.879 going to go. So you might want to make sure 115 00:05:57.879 --> 00:06:00.079 you have that little extra paying attention going on some 116 00:06:00.120 --> 00:06:02.120 of the situations because it can get a little bit 117 00:06:02.160 --> 00:06:05.240 confusing at times. It's not that bad, don't get me wrong, 118 00:06:05.279 --> 00:06:08.879 I just more so than typical. It's not quite so 119 00:06:09.040 --> 00:06:13.199 linear at times. Okay, So to start off, we are 120 00:06:13.240 --> 00:06:16.480 heading to a small town called Campbell, which is a 121 00:06:16.480 --> 00:06:18.800 small city in I'm going to pronounce this wrong, but 122 00:06:18.839 --> 00:06:23.079 I'm going to do my best. Mayoning County. Mayoning County, 123 00:06:23.199 --> 00:06:26.079 which is located near the Norstern northeastern part of the 124 00:06:26.120 --> 00:06:31.160 Ohio state in the USA. Now, originally it was founded 125 00:06:31.439 --> 00:06:36.439 as East Youngst Town Youngstown in nineteen oh two. I'm 126 00:06:36.439 --> 00:06:39.879 already off to butchering. Shit, I'm sorry, I'll get there. 127 00:06:39.920 --> 00:06:43.360 It's morning time, Okay, East Youngstown in nineteen oh two, 128 00:06:43.720 --> 00:06:48.839 but it was later named into you know, Campbell in 129 00:06:48.920 --> 00:06:52.079 nineteen twenty two after James A. Campbell of the Youngstown 130 00:06:53.120 --> 00:06:57.920 Sheet and Tube Company. Yeah. So the hit the city's 131 00:06:57.959 --> 00:07:01.079 history is is very deeply tied to this steel industry, 132 00:07:01.480 --> 00:07:04.360 which what I mean it was a very big industry 133 00:07:04.399 --> 00:07:06.839 in the area. It thrived really pushed a lot of 134 00:07:06.920 --> 00:07:09.399 like the economy, right, which is similar like we can 135 00:07:09.720 --> 00:07:13.439 really sympathize for that because for us, it's forestry up here. Yeah, 136 00:07:13.560 --> 00:07:16.800 it's logging, it's lumber, it's plywood, you know, it's it's pulp, 137 00:07:16.839 --> 00:07:18.839 it's paper, it's a lot of that sort of stuff. 138 00:07:19.160 --> 00:07:21.839 But however, for them, the once booming steel industry has 139 00:07:21.839 --> 00:07:27.000 since slowed in its lucrative industry, resulting in plant closures 140 00:07:27.040 --> 00:07:30.720 and people losing their jobs and of course a deteriorating economy, 141 00:07:31.240 --> 00:07:33.199 which is also something we can relate to up here 142 00:07:33.199 --> 00:07:37.560 because there's been many sawmill closures. Yeah and yeah, so 143 00:07:37.800 --> 00:07:40.279 it's not easy. But this area was once known as 144 00:07:40.319 --> 00:07:44.600 the quote steel belt because of this industry, basically describing that, 145 00:07:44.639 --> 00:07:48.040 you know, geographical region that's thriving from this industry sort 146 00:07:48.079 --> 00:07:51.600 of thing. But instead it's no longer known as that. 147 00:07:51.720 --> 00:07:55.720 Instead it's now known as the rust belt. Oh, which 148 00:07:55.759 --> 00:07:56.680 is pretty depressing. 149 00:07:56.879 --> 00:07:59.720 That's real rough. Yeah, Oh, I don't like that. That's 150 00:07:59.800 --> 00:08:00.519 kind of sad. 151 00:08:00.680 --> 00:08:04.600 It is. So like many Rust Belt towns, Campbell faced 152 00:08:04.639 --> 00:08:08.399 significant economic decline following the downturn of the steel industry, 153 00:08:08.839 --> 00:08:12.399 leading to a decrease in population, economic challenges that persist 154 00:08:12.480 --> 00:08:16.079 still to today. And despite these struggles, Campbell maintains a 155 00:08:16.120 --> 00:08:18.879 strong sense of community, though, where a diverse population that 156 00:08:18.959 --> 00:08:22.480 reflects the industrial past and ongoing efforts to revitalize the 157 00:08:22.519 --> 00:08:26.439 local economy while preserving its cultural heritage. For these people 158 00:08:26.480 --> 00:08:29.079 living there, despite what had happened to their town and 159 00:08:29.120 --> 00:08:31.800 the downturn of the economy and the crime that has 160 00:08:31.839 --> 00:08:35.480 since become much more prelevant, Campbell is simply home. 161 00:08:35.960 --> 00:08:39.559 M Ah, what that's so nice. 162 00:08:40.440 --> 00:08:41.639 Well, that's that's what it is. 163 00:08:41.919 --> 00:08:44.159 I don't know that. Wow, you made us feel really 164 00:08:44.200 --> 00:08:45.960 shitty about it, and then you made us feel really 165 00:08:46.039 --> 00:08:46.679 nice about it. 166 00:08:46.759 --> 00:08:48.519 Well, I mean, like that's what it was like. I 167 00:08:48.559 --> 00:08:51.519 was watching some like some documentaries and episodes and stuff 168 00:08:51.559 --> 00:08:54.159 on this and they interviewed some people, like some people 169 00:08:54.240 --> 00:08:55.919 in Campbell, and that's that's what they said. Like, you know, 170 00:08:55.960 --> 00:08:58.480 despite like the hardships, it's it's home. It's home. 171 00:08:58.720 --> 00:09:01.120 Yeah, there's no place like home exactly. 172 00:09:01.159 --> 00:09:03.440 And that's a situation with many of the residents in Campbell. 173 00:09:03.440 --> 00:09:06.840 It's they're not going to leave. It is home for them. 174 00:09:07.279 --> 00:09:11.759 So now they're home. Though, would soon experience a horrific 175 00:09:11.759 --> 00:09:16.879 discovery from a local residence from their freezer, actually, and 176 00:09:16.960 --> 00:09:19.840 this discovery would be one that would send chills down 177 00:09:19.879 --> 00:09:23.120 everyone's spine pun intended. 178 00:09:22.600 --> 00:09:27.080 Ooh good one, good one. 179 00:09:27.240 --> 00:09:30.080 Okay, I got to applaud you for that, pretending you 180 00:09:30.120 --> 00:09:32.440 didn't hear that, because when I was writing this case, 181 00:09:32.919 --> 00:09:34.120 I was so proud of that. 182 00:09:34.240 --> 00:09:36.000 Oh my god, you're going to just make me seem 183 00:09:36.039 --> 00:09:36.919 like such an asshole. 184 00:09:37.039 --> 00:09:39.320 No, you did good. But I read that pun to Nicole, 185 00:09:39.399 --> 00:09:41.720 so she was anticipating it, and she she really hyped 186 00:09:41.720 --> 00:09:43.679 me up on it. So thank you. Yeah, I appreciate that. 187 00:09:43.679 --> 00:09:45.639 That was good. But I was literally about to have 188 00:09:46.120 --> 00:09:49.039 a sip of chea and the freezer thing just called, 189 00:09:49.120 --> 00:09:50.639 like I don't know, even though it was in your intro, 190 00:09:50.720 --> 00:09:53.039 I was like, freezer, Oh my god. 191 00:09:53.159 --> 00:09:54.639 Well, it's like you almost kind of forget about it. 192 00:09:54.639 --> 00:09:56.600 We were just talking about Campbell and so it's like, 193 00:09:56.840 --> 00:09:57.200 you know. 194 00:09:57.279 --> 00:09:58.960 Now we're talking about her damn freezer. 195 00:09:59.159 --> 00:10:02.240 Yeah, and what's well, it would be on July twenty ninth, 196 00:10:02.240 --> 00:10:05.440 twenty seventeen, when a call to nine one one was placed, 197 00:10:06.080 --> 00:10:08.600 Dispatch picked up on the phone. There was a man 198 00:10:09.240 --> 00:10:12.720 on the other end. Now, the man's name was Ken Essenbaugh, 199 00:10:13.279 --> 00:10:17.279 and he informed the Dispatch that his wife, Jill Essenbaugh, 200 00:10:17.360 --> 00:10:21.360 had just discovered a dead dismembered body in their basement, 201 00:10:21.720 --> 00:10:26.840 freezer in their their freezer, in their freezer. So he's 202 00:10:26.879 --> 00:10:28.720 calling nine to one. He's like, we just found a 203 00:10:28.759 --> 00:10:31.279 fucking in our freezer. 204 00:10:31.799 --> 00:10:36.679 That is that is something that oh my goodness, I 205 00:10:36.720 --> 00:10:38.399 would probably just like faint. 206 00:10:38.840 --> 00:10:43.279 Yeah, I do, got to clarify. Yeah, it's not technically 207 00:10:43.320 --> 00:10:48.159 their freezer in a freezer in their basement. Okay, we'll 208 00:10:48.159 --> 00:10:48.879 get into that though. 209 00:10:49.360 --> 00:10:49.559 Huh. 210 00:10:49.720 --> 00:10:51.759 So Ken was trying to stay calm during this call. 211 00:10:52.080 --> 00:10:54.159 You can hear panic in his voice as he tries 212 00:10:54.240 --> 00:10:58.519 to control and slow his breathing and really make sure 213 00:10:58.559 --> 00:11:02.480 he's he's being diligent in conversing with this dispatch person. Right, 214 00:11:02.919 --> 00:11:05.080 So he tells them that the freezer is a friend's 215 00:11:05.240 --> 00:11:08.360 freezer who moved into his place last week. Now, the 216 00:11:08.360 --> 00:11:11.799 friend didn't move in, but the freezer moved in. Apparently 217 00:11:11.840 --> 00:11:15.080 the freezer was moved in because the friend's electricity was 218 00:11:15.120 --> 00:11:16.879 being turned off. So we asked if he could store 219 00:11:16.919 --> 00:11:19.159 it there in the meantime. He didn't want things to 220 00:11:19.159 --> 00:11:20.879 thought out the freezer, so he was like, yeah, sure, 221 00:11:20.879 --> 00:11:22.600 we can move it over here, plug it into the basement. 222 00:11:22.960 --> 00:11:27.080 Oh my word, Well, why are they rummaging through his freezer. 223 00:11:27.159 --> 00:11:28.039 What are they looking for? 224 00:11:28.240 --> 00:11:31.399 We'll get to that too, don't you worry. Okay, So 225 00:11:31.440 --> 00:11:34.480 the dispatch asks questions and you know, keeps him on 226 00:11:34.559 --> 00:11:37.720 the line, right, And she asked Ken if he could 227 00:11:37.720 --> 00:11:40.159 tell if the body was out of a female or male, 228 00:11:40.600 --> 00:11:44.600 and he responds that he thinks it's a female. Police were, 229 00:11:44.600 --> 00:11:46.639 of course, on the way to the scene and arrived 230 00:11:46.720 --> 00:11:49.440 very quickly, but even before they stepped foot inside the 231 00:11:49.440 --> 00:11:52.519 home to investigate, they had a pretty good idea of 232 00:11:52.559 --> 00:11:56.399 who this dismembered person in the freezer could be. 233 00:11:56.559 --> 00:11:59.840 Okay, you know, I'm really like it's very sad, but 234 00:12:00.120 --> 00:12:03.159 for some reason, it's just like almost comical that this 235 00:12:03.279 --> 00:12:05.840 person's phoning nine to one trying to calm himself down 236 00:12:05.840 --> 00:12:08.240 that he just found a fucking body and like a 237 00:12:08.360 --> 00:12:11.159 freezer that's in his home. Like it's just it, like 238 00:12:11.240 --> 00:12:13.480 you said, it's that alone right there. I feel like 239 00:12:13.519 --> 00:12:15.720 it's a bit of a soap opera. But it's terrible. 240 00:12:15.799 --> 00:12:16.519 It's terrible. 241 00:12:16.679 --> 00:12:18.840 It is terrible, But like I said, it is very 242 00:12:18.919 --> 00:12:21.399 much like a soaproper thing, Like how the fuck does 243 00:12:21.399 --> 00:12:24.080 that happen? Yeah, that's what like everyone's asking this case, 244 00:12:24.120 --> 00:12:27.039 the police are how the fuck does a dead body 245 00:12:27.120 --> 00:12:29.879 end up in a freezer in your basement, because of 246 00:12:29.919 --> 00:12:33.039 course there are sauspects number one, right, So well, you 247 00:12:33.120 --> 00:12:34.159 just trust. 248 00:12:33.799 --> 00:12:36.679 People and stuff like remember that one time we were 249 00:12:36.720 --> 00:12:39.039 on a road trip and brought something back for someone 250 00:12:39.440 --> 00:12:42.200 in the truck. Oh yeah, and you were just like 251 00:12:42.279 --> 00:12:44.519 They're like, oh, you're gonna run, George, Yeah, can you 252 00:12:44.559 --> 00:12:46.879 take this and deliver it to here? And we're like sure, 253 00:12:46.919 --> 00:12:49.559 And we didn't freaking look in there, like god knows 254 00:12:49.559 --> 00:12:50.919 what the hell we were transporting. 255 00:12:51.039 --> 00:12:52.120 It was maple syrup. 256 00:12:52.240 --> 00:12:54.960 Hopefully no, it was hopefully no, it was. 257 00:12:54.879 --> 00:12:57.000 Because when I delivered the box he opened it up. 258 00:12:57.039 --> 00:12:58.960 It was maple syrup. It was one of the most 259 00:12:59.080 --> 00:13:04.360 Canadian things. We stopped at a roadside poutine shop, had 260 00:13:04.399 --> 00:13:07.320 some proteine chatted them up and they're like, oh, you're 261 00:13:07.360 --> 00:13:09.799 headed up to like this city, which is like a 262 00:13:09.799 --> 00:13:12.320 five hour drive away, and like, could you take the 263 00:13:12.320 --> 00:13:14.720 shipment for us because like the truck broke down or whatever. 264 00:13:15.120 --> 00:13:16.559 So it wasn't a whole lot, you know, it was 265 00:13:16.600 --> 00:13:19.320 like a couple armfuls of boxes and we're like yeah, sure, 266 00:13:19.399 --> 00:13:22.600 So we got like a couple cans of maple syrup 267 00:13:22.600 --> 00:13:22.919 for free. 268 00:13:23.399 --> 00:13:25.360 We got our lunch for free or something like that. 269 00:13:25.879 --> 00:13:29.799 This isn't about a skinny, this is ridiculous story. 270 00:13:29.960 --> 00:13:31.879 And so we threw the maple syrup in the back 271 00:13:31.919 --> 00:13:34.399 of the truck in the boxes. We didn't actually know 272 00:13:34.399 --> 00:13:35.720 what it was. He just took their word for it, 273 00:13:35.879 --> 00:13:37.679 threw it in the back of the truck, continued our 274 00:13:37.720 --> 00:13:40.480 road trip, got to town, dropped it off of the address, 275 00:13:40.559 --> 00:13:42.399 and they thanked us, and we went on our way. 276 00:13:42.559 --> 00:13:44.960 So if you ever need us to transport anything, or 277 00:13:44.960 --> 00:13:47.720 if you need any transport your guts fatally. 278 00:13:48.000 --> 00:13:51.440 Yeah. But anyways, we digressed. Let's get back to the 279 00:13:51.480 --> 00:13:53.720 case here. So the police arrived at the home and 280 00:13:53.720 --> 00:13:56.320 they descended into the basement and they were confronted with 281 00:13:56.480 --> 00:13:58.759 exactly what was described in the nine one one call. 282 00:13:59.080 --> 00:14:02.399 There was a freezer and when opened, it contained black 283 00:14:02.519 --> 00:14:06.039 plastic bags and a five gallon bucket, so one of 284 00:14:06.080 --> 00:14:11.440 those orange like home depot gallon buckets. Okay, Inside were 285 00:14:11.480 --> 00:14:16.720 dismembered body parts. There were arms, legs, but no torso 286 00:14:17.120 --> 00:14:17.799 and no head. 287 00:14:18.360 --> 00:14:19.240 Oh. 288 00:14:19.440 --> 00:14:24.000 Investigators began questioning the couple, Ken and Jill about the 289 00:14:24.000 --> 00:14:28.639 freezer and the story that they had told authorities. Now, 290 00:14:28.679 --> 00:14:31.440 the two were taken into the station and questioned both 291 00:14:31.679 --> 00:14:34.240 separately because they wanted to make sure that they got like, 292 00:14:34.360 --> 00:14:36.559 you know, see if there's any discrepancies in between what 293 00:14:36.559 --> 00:14:38.960 they're saying or anything. But they both gave the exact 294 00:14:39.000 --> 00:14:39.480 same stuff. 295 00:14:39.480 --> 00:14:41.519 Oh good, because that kind of sucks for them really, 296 00:14:41.559 --> 00:14:43.720 Like you'd almost have a thought like, shit, like do 297 00:14:43.799 --> 00:14:45.360 we phone this in and kind of you know, because 298 00:14:45.360 --> 00:14:49.000 you know that you're gonna get questioned, and oh, definitely right, 299 00:14:49.120 --> 00:14:49.720 you have to. 300 00:14:50.120 --> 00:14:52.480 For sure, I mean, you didn't do anything. Just just 301 00:14:52.600 --> 00:14:55.159 tell the fucking story and I'm sure the police will 302 00:14:55.360 --> 00:14:59.679 you know, find the right perp and yeah, follow the evidence, right. 303 00:14:59.799 --> 00:15:00.000 Yeah. 304 00:15:00.799 --> 00:15:02.799 So the story that they gave was a friend had 305 00:15:02.799 --> 00:15:05.320 moved the freezer into the basement a week prior as 306 00:15:05.360 --> 00:15:08.519 his electricity was going out. The freezer had a padlock 307 00:15:08.639 --> 00:15:10.679 on it, but they didn't really think anything of it. 308 00:15:10.679 --> 00:15:13.679 You know, it's kind of odd, but whatever. Right, So, 309 00:15:13.799 --> 00:15:16.159 on the day of the discovery of the remains, Jill 310 00:15:16.240 --> 00:15:19.279 was home alone and now there was some reports that 311 00:15:19.279 --> 00:15:20.759 they had a kid, so she was home alone with 312 00:15:20.840 --> 00:15:23.039 the kid or she was home alone, but either way, 313 00:15:23.080 --> 00:15:24.759 she was getting ready to make dinner, and she was 314 00:15:24.799 --> 00:15:27.919 looking to make spaghetti, but after pulling out a bunch 315 00:15:27.960 --> 00:15:30.399 of ingredients, she realized they didn't have any ground beef. 316 00:15:30.840 --> 00:15:33.200 Instead of abandoning the plan, she thought maybe there was 317 00:15:33.240 --> 00:15:36.679 some ground beef and the freezer from the friend downstairs. 318 00:15:37.200 --> 00:15:39.080 So she thought she could you know, borrow a package 319 00:15:39.120 --> 00:15:40.879 and then when they buy groceries next week she would 320 00:15:40.919 --> 00:15:43.000 replace it. Yea, and what she's used sort of thing, right, 321 00:15:43.639 --> 00:15:46.639 So she went downstairs into their home, you know, where 322 00:15:46.639 --> 00:15:49.759 the freezer was being stored. She took a screwdriver undid 323 00:15:49.799 --> 00:15:52.000 the screws on like the latch that was holding the 324 00:15:52.039 --> 00:15:52.799 lock in place. 325 00:15:53.120 --> 00:15:55.759 Oh, she really went to town looking for this ground beef. 326 00:15:55.840 --> 00:15:57.639 Well, it's only like I saw a photo of the 327 00:15:57.639 --> 00:16:01.120 actual freezer. It's only three screws. It's just like one, two, three, 328 00:16:01.159 --> 00:16:05.360 and it's you can't really like actually padlock a freezer 329 00:16:05.480 --> 00:16:09.480 very well, those screws just come out like nothing. Yeah. So, 330 00:16:09.559 --> 00:16:12.960 once she had the screws undone in the lock off, though, 331 00:16:13.080 --> 00:16:15.840 she opened the freezer and was immediately hit with an 332 00:16:15.879 --> 00:16:19.200 odd odor and the sight of the black plastic bags 333 00:16:19.480 --> 00:16:23.559 and the bright orange five gallon pale bucket she she 334 00:16:23.600 --> 00:16:26.679 didn't know what to think, but her stomach immediately sank, 335 00:16:26.720 --> 00:16:29.679 telling her something wasn't right. She didn't open the bags, 336 00:16:29.759 --> 00:16:32.159 didn't open the bucket, but instead she closed the lid, 337 00:16:32.200 --> 00:16:34.639 put the screws back in place, secured the freezer once again, 338 00:16:34.679 --> 00:16:38.279 and went back upstairs. Now, when her husband got home, Ken, 339 00:16:38.799 --> 00:16:40.600 it didn't take long for him to notice that his 340 00:16:40.639 --> 00:16:43.120 wife was acting odd. I mean, if you've been with 341 00:16:43.159 --> 00:16:45.559 someone a while, it's pretty easy to act or understand 342 00:16:45.600 --> 00:16:47.600 when the behavior is a little bit off right. Yeah, 343 00:16:47.600 --> 00:16:49.720 And he pretty much picked on that right away, and 344 00:16:49.720 --> 00:16:51.879 he asked her what was going on, and she told 345 00:16:51.919 --> 00:16:54.559 him exactly what happened, that she thinks there might be 346 00:16:54.600 --> 00:16:59.600 a body in that freezer. So Ken went down to check. 347 00:17:00.320 --> 00:17:02.480 He did exactly what she did, took the screws out, 348 00:17:02.799 --> 00:17:05.319 opened it up, and sure enough, once he opened the 349 00:17:05.319 --> 00:17:09.279 freezer and removed a bit of plastic, he saw human remains. 350 00:17:09.880 --> 00:17:14.200 Wow. What shitty friend too though to also like put them, 351 00:17:14.480 --> 00:17:16.279 you know, in that situation. 352 00:17:16.799 --> 00:17:19.519 Oh yeah, for sure, we'll we'll get into what kind 353 00:17:19.519 --> 00:17:20.680 of shitty person that was? 354 00:17:21.000 --> 00:17:24.160 Okay, Like, I mean, he probably really wouldn't have thought 355 00:17:24.160 --> 00:17:27.599 they would have, like undid the screws to go in there, like, 356 00:17:27.599 --> 00:17:30.799 that's that is a bit surprising to me, but still, 357 00:17:31.200 --> 00:17:34.200 that's that's rude, yeah, like very rude. 358 00:17:34.680 --> 00:17:38.200 Yeah. So while the questions were occurring with these two, 359 00:17:38.279 --> 00:17:40.839 both Ken and Jill, other officers were of course hard 360 00:17:40.839 --> 00:17:44.200 at work beginning other areas of the investigation. They were 361 00:17:44.240 --> 00:17:47.200 almost certain they knew who the remains belonged to, but 362 00:17:47.279 --> 00:17:52.319 without a head, it was difficult to specifically identify the individual. Eventually, though, 363 00:17:52.519 --> 00:17:57.240 through a tattoo identification and fingerprints, they were able to 364 00:17:57.279 --> 00:18:01.440 identify the victim of that of Shannon Graves, which was 365 00:18:01.519 --> 00:18:06.319 exactly who they were expecting. Okay, now, Shannon Elizabeth Graves 366 00:18:06.480 --> 00:18:09.240 was a twenty eight year old woman from Youngstown, which 367 00:18:09.319 --> 00:18:11.799 was the town just next door. It was about a 368 00:18:11.799 --> 00:18:15.480 ten minute drive northwest of Campbell Now. She was known 369 00:18:15.519 --> 00:18:18.640 for her vibrant personality, deep love for animals, and Shannon 370 00:18:18.720 --> 00:18:21.559 was described by those close to her as full of life, outgoing, 371 00:18:21.599 --> 00:18:24.559 and incredibly loyal. In fact, she even had a nickname 372 00:18:24.599 --> 00:18:26.640 that her friends had given her Star because she lit 373 00:18:26.680 --> 00:18:27.759 up a room when she walked in. 374 00:18:28.240 --> 00:18:29.599 Are you kidding me? 375 00:18:29.960 --> 00:18:30.519 That's serious? 376 00:18:30.640 --> 00:18:32.799 She sounds wonderful, I know to have. 377 00:18:32.720 --> 00:18:35.039 A nickname Star because you're like you just fucking light 378 00:18:35.119 --> 00:18:35.519 up a room. 379 00:18:35.599 --> 00:18:38.000 Wow. Yeah, dang, I love that. 380 00:18:38.559 --> 00:18:40.200 So, as I already mentioned though too, she had a 381 00:18:40.200 --> 00:18:44.400 deep love for animals. She actually absolutely adored her dog Brownie, 382 00:18:44.759 --> 00:18:48.839 and rarely reportedly went anywhere with el Brownie, Brownie, Brownie. 383 00:18:49.119 --> 00:18:52.359 Holy yeah, I'm in love with her And this is 384 00:18:52.400 --> 00:18:53.000 so sad. 385 00:18:53.319 --> 00:18:55.799 Yeah, I know. So she was raised in a loving 386 00:18:55.839 --> 00:18:58.559 family and she had shared a close bond with her sister, 387 00:18:58.680 --> 00:19:01.720 Debbie de Paul. Now, Shannon was a bit of a 388 00:19:01.759 --> 00:19:04.599 free spirit, so it wasn't abnormal for to not hear 389 00:19:04.599 --> 00:19:06.279 from her for a while, to go off an adventure 390 00:19:06.359 --> 00:19:08.000 or something like that, right, and for her to not 391 00:19:08.079 --> 00:19:10.279 call for a few weeks that sort of thing. But 392 00:19:10.400 --> 00:19:12.599 she would always be in touch, whether it was responding 393 00:19:12.640 --> 00:19:16.039 to text messages or eventually getting in touch herself. But 394 00:19:16.160 --> 00:19:18.160 in this case, a couple months had passed and no 395 00:19:18.200 --> 00:19:20.480 one heard from her, and they began to get worried. 396 00:19:20.799 --> 00:19:24.279 It was very uncharacteristic for her to actually lose contact 397 00:19:24.680 --> 00:19:28.240 for an extended period, and they were all beginning to think, 398 00:19:28.279 --> 00:19:30.880 you know, what, is something happened. She's not responding to 399 00:19:30.960 --> 00:19:34.359 texts or calls what's going on? Right, Well, a couple months, 400 00:19:34.440 --> 00:19:37.680 that's quite a waw exactly. So, now the authorities had 401 00:19:37.720 --> 00:19:41.240