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<v Speaker 1>This episode may contain content of a graphic nature, including

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<v Speaker 1>descriptions of physical and sexual violence against adults, children, and animals.

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<v Speaker 1>Listener discretion is advised.

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<v Speaker 2>Hi everyone, I'm Tanya and I'm Teleah and we are

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<v Speaker 2>Crimes and Consequences, a true crime podcast.

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<v Speaker 3>Hi Shannon, Hey Tanya, how are you doing pretty good?

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<v Speaker 3>How about you?

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<v Speaker 2>I am doing great, still acclimating to the new job.

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<v Speaker 2>And I won't mention it again, but.

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<v Speaker 3>You watch it every time. This is a transition.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a huge transition. Like I'm still getting used to

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<v Speaker 2>getting up early. You know, I'm not an I'm not

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<v Speaker 2>an early bird. I've never been an early bird.

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<v Speaker 3>I still go morning person.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'm not a morning person. No, so I'm trying

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<v Speaker 2>to be a morning person and trying to stamp out

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<v Speaker 2>the night owl in me. Yeah, you get some sleep, but.

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<v Speaker 3>Those are big changes, for sure.

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<v Speaker 2>What about you?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I am.

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<v Speaker 4>Totally loving so today. This is my favorite time of year.

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<v Speaker 4>Like you can shut your air off and let the

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<v Speaker 4>wind and then you might have to turn on the

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<v Speaker 4>keat later.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah tomorrow, turn the air on.

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<v Speaker 4>Perfect, shut everything to open the windows again. But you

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<v Speaker 4>know we're going to be locked up for your you know,

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<v Speaker 4>pretty shortly with the same breathing air in the house.

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<v Speaker 4>We need to get these windows some freshness. And I

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<v Speaker 4>do love it, and I burn. It's like I burn

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<v Speaker 4>my epaculi and the sage and it's so smoky in

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<v Speaker 4>the house.

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<v Speaker 3>But it's so fure. So that's all I've been up to.

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<v Speaker 2>I do love the fall, it's great. I love the

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<v Speaker 2>Chris's weather. And like you said, I will get in

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<v Speaker 2>my car in the morning and turn the heat on

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<v Speaker 2>and on my way home, I've got the air conditioner.

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<v Speaker 3>Eye exactly, sit out on the porch. I got to

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<v Speaker 3>put my baja on.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, you know, it's but it's nice because it's just

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<v Speaker 4>the kiss of coolness and then that means Halloween and

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<v Speaker 4>all that good stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>So oh yeah, exactly the way you like what you.

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<v Speaker 3>Got for us today.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I have a crazy story. It's an oldie, but

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<v Speaker 2>a goodie. It takes place in the nineteen thirties. These

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<v Speaker 2>cases always kind of fascinate me because I'm a history nerd,

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<v Speaker 2>But you fascinate me because of the shit people did.

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<v Speaker 2>Because like nowadays, you can't get away with shit, like

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<v Speaker 2>there's cameras out there, your phone gets tracked, like, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>you can never cover your tracks one hundred percent, but

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<v Speaker 2>back then people could. But before I get into it,

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<v Speaker 2>I remind everyone to hit subscribe or follow on whatever

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<v Speaker 2>app you're listening to, and I am going to tell

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<v Speaker 2>you about the murder of Michael Maloe. Okay, So if

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<v Speaker 2>you remember in history, the Prohibition, the Prohibition Act was

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<v Speaker 2>ratified into law in nineteen twenty. Okay, it was the

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<v Speaker 2>eighteenth amendment to our Constitution, and it made it illegal

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<v Speaker 2>to manufacture alcohol, sell it, import it. You couldn't know

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<v Speaker 2>nothing to do with alcohol, okay. As the country is

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<v Speaker 2>drying up basically because you're not allowed to go anywhere

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<v Speaker 2>and drink it. You're not allowed to buy it. Oh

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<v Speaker 2>my gosh, places like speakeasies. Have you heard of speakeasies?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, yeah, So speakeasy start to pop up. And

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<v Speaker 2>what a speakeasy is it. It came from illegal drinking

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<v Speaker 2>establishments that were in England and in the nineteenth century

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<v Speaker 2>they were called speak softly shops, So that's where it

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<v Speaker 2>kind of evolved, like speakeasies evolved from that. So it

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<v Speaker 2>was estimated though that there were more than thirty thousand

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<v Speaker 2>speakeasies in New York City alone.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh my goodness, in.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, So everybody's drinking.

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<v Speaker 3>Skin, yes, everybody's out at night.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, So speakeasy didn't have to really be anything fancy either,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, like you would see in the movies or something.

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<v Speaker 2>They sometimes it would just be a room and some liquor.

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<v Speaker 2>So the range of establishments that they had it was vast,

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<v Speaker 2>Like it would be you know, luxurious, speak easy. Sometimes

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<v Speaker 2>sometimes it would just be a seller and so the house,

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<v Speaker 2>you know that I set up some tables.

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<v Speaker 4>I'd always picture every speak easy, jazz, the being fun, right,

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<v Speaker 4>someone out of the bugle or the coronet. Yeah, everyone's

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<v Speaker 4>going to be bopping exactly like then, yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>You expect this like picture like this glamorous, yes right, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>everybody's dressed and beautiful gowns and furs.

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<v Speaker 3>Girls where they had the little swinger dresses.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah right yeah, But it wasn't always like that, no.

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<v Speaker 2>So nineteen twenty nine in American history also we had

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<v Speaker 2>the Great Depression.

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<v Speaker 3>Right.

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<v Speaker 2>The stock market crashed in nineteen twenty nine, and that's

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<v Speaker 2>where the Great Depression started from. You know, we got

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<v Speaker 2>this big crash. People lost their money, some of them

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<v Speaker 2>their fortunes and everything. So this is nobody can drink

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<v Speaker 2>right and nobody can drink legally. Yeah, it sounded like

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<v Speaker 2>air buddies getting drunk, right, yea our buddy, right, air buddies.

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<v Speaker 2>So there was a place called Marinos, and it was

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<v Speaker 2>just a little place. It had four tables chairs, It

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<v Speaker 2>had a well used sofa on one end, a makeshift

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<v Speaker 2>twelve foot bar in the middle. There was a toilet

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<v Speaker 2>on the other end that was blocked from view, so

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<v Speaker 2>you know, patrons could go to the bathroom, sure, but

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<v Speaker 2>it was like a little flimsy partition pretty much. The

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<v Speaker 2>regulars that came to Marinos were criminals and derel QX,

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<v Speaker 2>and those were the people. I think that the whole

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<v Speaker 2>prohibition thing was meant to dry out. I don't think

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<v Speaker 2>they meant to dry out, you know, mister America next door.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it was now focus on people that were

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<v Speaker 2>more of the unsavory characters. So Tony Marino himself, the owner,

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<v Speaker 2>He was a disaster of a person. He was twenty

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<v Speaker 2>seven at the time our story takes place, and he

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<v Speaker 2>was riddled with venereal disease. Oh bother he had syphilis

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<v Speaker 2>and gonorrhea, oh my gosh, and he really didn't rush

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<v Speaker 2>to the doctor at the time to treat any of

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<v Speaker 2>his ailments. So they did reach an advanced stage on

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<v Speaker 2>him with physical marks which were like absesses that developed

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<v Speaker 2>in his growing area. And he spoke about that every

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<v Speaker 2>now and then and openly. Yeah, just openly and yeah

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<v Speaker 2>in this this charmer, he passed these STDs onto his

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<v Speaker 2>wife because he was mom at the time. So his wife, Eleanor,

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<v Speaker 2>she wasn't aware that she had any of these diseases

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<v Speaker 2>until she was pregnant and visited the doctor. A doctor

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<v Speaker 2>told her. So, as you can imagine, it wasn't the

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<v Speaker 2>best marriage between Eleanor and Tony. She said. The way

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<v Speaker 2>a nasty temper, He was prone to violent tantrums, and

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<v Speaker 2>he would often smash furniture in their house. So yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>he once put the stove into the hallway and took

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<v Speaker 2>an axe to it. And his wife also said, quote

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<v Speaker 2>on several occasions he threatened to turn the gas on

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<v Speaker 2>in our bedroom and kill the baby and myself.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh my gosh, So this is Tony a real charm yeah, charmer.

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<v Speaker 2>His behavior was attributed to a childhood fall that he

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<v Speaker 2>you know, ever since then, he kind of wasn't the

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<v Speaker 2>same he had. He ended up attempting suicide twice before

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<v Speaker 2>he was sixteen, and during his marriage to Eleanor, she

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<v Speaker 2>left him a few times here and there. But at

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<v Speaker 2>the time of our story, she and Tony and their son,

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<v Speaker 2>their baby son were living with Tony's father and his sister,

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<v Speaker 2>and both women, Eleanor and Tony's sister, he would he

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<v Speaker 2>would beat them every day.

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<v Speaker 4>So he was ane and his own sister and his

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<v Speaker 4>own sister okay, and dad.

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<v Speaker 3>Would just let this. Dad said nothing.

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<v Speaker 2>Apparently, I don't know if Dad's joining in.

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<v Speaker 3>Or whatever, but right, okay.

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<v Speaker 2>So an Marino's bar, Tony employed a man who went

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<v Speaker 2>by the name of Joseph, and he actually went by

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<v Speaker 2>Red Joseph Murphy. He was the bartender. So Red first

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<v Speaker 2>met Tony as a patron of the place. He was

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<v Speaker 2>one of the regulars that would come to Marinos. Tony

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<v Speaker 2>eventually hired him to pour the drinks for a dollar

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<v Speaker 2>a day. That's how much he earned. And the side

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<v Speaker 2>benefit though was sampling the inventory. Plus he had like

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<v Speaker 2>a semi warm place maybe to crash when he needed Yeah, right,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, he could sleep on that sofa I mentioned,

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<v Speaker 2>and so it wasn't bad. It's kind of a cushy

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<v Speaker 2>set up for like a home alcoholic.

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<v Speaker 3>Really in the middle of the great job, Are you

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<v Speaker 3>kidding me?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you know, like he probably didn't have a penny

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<v Speaker 2>to his name, but he's able to earn a little

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<v Speaker 2>bit of money and crash there as well. So Joseph Murphy,

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<v Speaker 2>I'll tell you a little bit about him. He was

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<v Speaker 2>born Archie Mott on May twenty fourth, nineteen oh six.

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<v Speaker 2>He was taken off the streets at the age of

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<v Speaker 2>ten and placed in the care of several different foster

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<v Speaker 2>families and a boys' school. He was taken to Mansfield

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<v Speaker 2>State Training School and Hospital at around thirteen years old,

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<v Speaker 2>where he would remain a mental patient until his early twenties.

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<v Speaker 2>While he was in the hospital, he was found by

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<v Speaker 2>psychiatrists to have the mental age of nine years and

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<v Speaker 2>six months and an IQ of fifty six, and on

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<v Speaker 2>July thirty first, nineteen twenty nine, he snuck away from

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<v Speaker 2>the hospital. He was able to make just enough from

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<v Speaker 2>odd jobs on the street to keep his alcohol addiction going,

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<v Speaker 2>and in nineteen thirty two is when he wandered into

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<v Speaker 2>Marino's bar and Tony, you know, took pity on him

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<v Speaker 2>and gave him this job. There's a lot of people

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<v Speaker 2>in this story, so we have read and we have

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<v Speaker 2>Tony so far. Yes, Well, the next guy I'm going

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<v Speaker 2>to tell you about. His name is Frank Pascua. Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>He was another regular of Marinos speakeasy. He was twenty

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<v Speaker 2>four with a wife and son at home, and Frank

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<v Speaker 2>began working for his father at the age of seventeen

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<v Speaker 2>at Pasqua's burial service, which was located in Harlem. He

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<v Speaker 2>found it really difficult to engage in any kind of

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<v Speaker 2>meaningful conversation in that career, as you can imagine, and

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<v Speaker 2>so he would often stop by Marino's place at the

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<v Speaker 2>end of the day to grab a drink and socialize.

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<v Speaker 3>You know.

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<v Speaker 2>He talked to Tony about you know, being a dad

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<v Speaker 2>and husbands, and he was able to speak to him

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<v Speaker 2>in Italian because Frank too write their native language. So

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<v Speaker 2>Tony and Frank they were often seen talking to another guy.

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<v Speaker 2>His name is David Prezberg. So now we have Tony

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<v Speaker 2>read the bartender, Frank and Dan yees Daniel and Daniel

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<v Speaker 2>Kresburg was a twenty nine year old wholes silk grocher

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<v Speaker 2>and father of three. Just to let you know, there

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<v Speaker 2>was never any accusations from either Frank or Daniel's spouses

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<v Speaker 2>that they ever got abused by their husbands. So you know,

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<v Speaker 2>by all accounts, they seem to have loving and good marriages.

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<v Speaker 2>So I'm just throwing that out there to kind of okay,

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<v Speaker 2>good to pop up the story, right. Yes, so Daniel's

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<v Speaker 2>a family man at heart, and desperation kind of drove

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<v Speaker 2>him to a life of crime. He regularly partnered with

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<v Speaker 2>a woman named Marie who was Tony's cousin, as part

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<v Speaker 2>of a gang called the Pants Bandit Duo and Marie.

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<v Speaker 2>What she would do was hold victims at gunpoint and

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<v Speaker 2>Daniel was the look out and they would you know,

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<v Speaker 2>pants pants. Okay, So now I'm going to tell you

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<v Speaker 2>late eighteen hundreds or early nineteen hundreds. He was a loner,

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<v Speaker 2>had limited friends, and he didn't have any family to

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<v Speaker 2>He sometimes worked for Frank at his dad's burial service,

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<v Speaker 2>the Pasquad Burial Service. He would sweep floors and polish

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<v Speaker 2>the coffins, and Frank would sometimes allow him to sleep

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<v Speaker 2>at the mortuary as well. When Michael worked at the

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<v Speaker 2>after work, and eventually the walk to Marinos became a

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<v Speaker 2>regular occurrence for Michael, regardless of whether Frank was with

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<v Speaker 2>makings to do like a sardine sandwich, which he really like.

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<v Speaker 3>Wow. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>So during the early days of Michael's patronage at Tony's speakeasy,

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<v Speaker 2>he was a good paying customer. As he came back

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<v Speaker 2>more often, he would ask Tony if he could work

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<v Speaker 2>to grow, Tony cut it off in November of nineteen

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<v Speaker 2>thirty one. Michael would return to beg for drinks from

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<v Speaker 2>now some of Tony's other customers, and when Tony's back

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<v Speaker 2>was turned, he would approach Red the bartender behind the

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<v Speaker 3>Wow.

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<v Speaker 2>He was a bit of a nuisance and Tony's bar

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<v Speaker 2>build up. In July nineteen thirty two, in the quote

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<v Speaker 2>unquote back office of the speakeasy, which was really more

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<v Speaker 2>Frank and Daniel were sitting around a table and they

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<v Speaker 2>began talking. Tony was watching a few barflies taking the

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<v Speaker 2>see Michael and Red drinking whiskey from the bottle behind

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<v Speaker 2>the bar. It was becoming difficult, like I told you,

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<v Speaker 2>for him to cover the expenses of his business. So

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<v Speaker 2>Frank looked up and he saw the same scene that

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<v Speaker 2>Tony was taking it like, you know, just these people

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<v Speaker 2>taking the free food and read and Michael having at it.

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<v Speaker 2>Frank is an undertaker and he regularly worked with insurance companies,

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<v Speaker 2>so he knew if thing or two about life insurance

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<v Speaker 2>and that death was a regular part of his day.

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<v Speaker 2>So in that moment, he suggests, why don't you take

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<v Speaker 2>a life insurance policy out on Michael, And then he

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<v Speaker 2>said I'll take care of the rest. He says this

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<v Speaker 2>to Tony.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, right.

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<v Speaker 2>So Michael looked like he was about sixty at the time,

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<v Speaker 2>and he must have lived like a really hard life,

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<v Speaker 2>like those were sixty hard years. Yes, and he was

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<v Speaker 2>a drunk, he was an alcoholic, so being that, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>he probably looked older than what.

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<v Speaker 3>He really Oh my gosh, how run down that right?

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<v Speaker 4>Right?

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<v Speaker 2>Nobody's quite sure. So, you know, they all start talking

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<v Speaker 2>about this that they're going to maybe you know, look

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<v Speaker 2>into this, like getting an insurance policy, and Michael and

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<v Speaker 2>Daniel was all for it too because he could use

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<v Speaker 2>the extra cash, right like.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh for business.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, oh right, And so they all agreed and the

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<v Speaker 2>group that the tabloids would eventually call the Murder Trust

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<v Speaker 2>was born with this discussion. The first step now would

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<v Speaker 2>be to obtain a life insurance policy for Michael, who

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<v Speaker 2>was a homeless, unemployed alcoholic, so good, look at that, right, right,

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<v Speaker 2>And none of the men were related to him, so

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<v Speaker 2>it's going to be difficult. But Frank went to work

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<v Speaker 2>on this. The process of obtaining life insurance for Michael

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<v Speaker 2>would take nearly five months. Oh some rejections. They stretched

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<v Speaker 2>the truth quite a bit.

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<v Speaker 3>They would have to like that, yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>And they just blatantly lied on a lack of applications. So,

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<v Speaker 2>with his eyes on being a few hundred dollars richer,

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<v Speaker 2>Frank approached Michael on July twenty ninth, nineteen thirty two,

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<v Speaker 2>and offered to take him to get life insurance. So

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<v Speaker 2>Michael's agreeable. I don't know why. He went along with

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<v Speaker 2>Frank to meet with an agent from Prudential Life. The

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<v Speaker 2>agent was relatively new to the business, He ended up

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<v Speaker 2>offering a policy that would cost eight dollars and eight

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<v Speaker 2>cents a month. He described the policy as having a

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<v Speaker 2>double indemnity clause, which is that if the insured passes away,

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<v Speaker 2>like in an accident, the policy would.

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<v Speaker 3>Pay double Oh wow, Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>There's a famous old movie called Double Indemnity that I

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<v Speaker 2>just remember. It had Barbara Stanwick in it. She was

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<v Speaker 2>the She was the them fatale. So anyway, they're like, okay, cool.

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<v Speaker 2>They filled out the paperwork. They said that Michael lived

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<v Speaker 2>at the address of Marino's Speakeasy and that he was

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<v Speaker 2>employed as a porter at Frank's funeral parlor. Michael claimed

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<v Speaker 2>no friend or family outside of Frank, and he named

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<v Speaker 2>him as beneficiary, saying he gave me a job and

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<v Speaker 2>he feeds me. So they pay the eight dollars and

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<v Speaker 2>eight cents. They signed the papers and the policy was

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<v Speaker 2>sent in. However, during the authentication process, the insurance company

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<v Speaker 2>questioned the fact that the person who took out the

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<v Speaker 2>policy happened to also be the named beneficiary, and he

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<v Speaker 2>was someone that wasn't blood related to the insured. So,

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<v Speaker 2>with numerous other discrepancies discovered during this process, the review process,

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<v Speaker 2>the policy was rejected at the end of August, and

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<v Speaker 2>the eight dollars and eight cents was returned to Frank.

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<v Speaker 2>So the same process was repeated in September with Prudential,

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<v Speaker 2>and the same outcome happened. Now they're realizing, okay, we

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<v Speaker 2>need to find a relative of oh yeah, right, So

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<v Speaker 2>Joseph Murphy read he was called on to pose as

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<v Speaker 2>Michael's brother, and so now they're like, they're three. Their

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<v Speaker 2>trio now goes to four. So they're gonna have to

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<v Speaker 2>split this insurance money if it ever yeah control, but

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<v Speaker 2>you know, they're like, okay, fine, it's better than not

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<v Speaker 2>having I guess the life insurance policy at all. So

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<v Speaker 2>in early November, Frank reached out to a Metropolitan agent

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<v Speaker 2>regarding a quote unquote friend who wanted some insurance. The

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<v Speaker 2>friend had given Frank the money to purchase the policy,

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<v Speaker 2>and when asked if the agent could meet the man,

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<v Speaker 2>Frank said no. So, I mean that's already shady, right right,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, he said, he works late, it's going to

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<v Speaker 2>be too difficult. So the agent really didn't want to

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<v Speaker 2>push it. I'm sure he just wanted to make the sale,

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<v Speaker 2>and he drops off a blank application. The following week

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<v Speaker 2>to Frank as a note, this was in violation of

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<v Speaker 2>Metropolitan's policies, which required the agent to be there in

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<v Speaker 2>person at the time of signing. So this is just.

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<v Speaker 4>All she I was just going to say. The agent

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<v Speaker 4>knew exactly what he was doing. He was dropping off

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<v Speaker 4>a blank check that he was going to endorse for them.

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<v Speaker 3>Just fill it out. I'll be back right.

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<v Speaker 2>So Frank provided the agent with the necessary information to

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<v Speaker 2>fill in the application and he signs it a phony signature.

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<v Speaker 2>The name on the application was Nicholas Mellory, so it's

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<v Speaker 2>not Michael molloy, it's Nicholas Mellory on Frank's This is

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<v Speaker 2>supposedly Frank's friend, Nicholas Mellory. Joseph Murphy became Joseph Mellory,

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<v Speaker 2>Nicholas's brother. That's the beneficiary. And the application was turned

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<v Speaker 2>in on November sixteenth, nineteen thirty two, for a forty

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<v Speaker 2>four year old Nicholas Mellory. Because they're now fudging.

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<v Speaker 4>They took sixteen years off Michael.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, they're trying to make the application much more.

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<v Speaker 3>Palatable for sure.

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<v Speaker 2>So with the name change and no other applications lying

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<v Speaker 2>in wait, the eight hundred dollars policy with a five

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<v Speaker 2>dollars and two cent monthly premium was accepted on December first,

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen thirty two.

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<v Speaker 3>Wow.

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<v Speaker 2>So meanwhile at the bar, with all the whispered conversations

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<v Speaker 2>and meetings behind the beaded curtain in the back room,

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<v Speaker 2>some of the regular patrons had caught onto the fact

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<v Speaker 2>that something shady was going on between Tony Frank and Daniel.

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<v Speaker 2>One of the people paying attention was a Nan name

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<v Speaker 2>Anthony Beststony, and he went by tough Tony. Okay, so

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<v Speaker 2>we have Tony Marino, but I'm going to call Anthony

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<v Speaker 2>Bestoni tough Tony. Tough Tony was a forty three year

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<v Speaker 2>old sometimes bartender, husband and father of five. Although he

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<v Speaker 2>said to be unemployed, he made money in the unsavory

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<v Speaker 2>underworld by printing counterfeit money. Okay, a lot of money there, sure, yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>And he had a partner that he printed this money with.

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<v Speaker 2>His name was Joe Maglioni, with whom he had a

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<v Speaker 2>combative relationship. The two men would frequently go to marinos

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<v Speaker 2>to speak easy. They were overheard discussing their funny money

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<v Speaker 2>operation during arguments that they had regarding splitting the prophets. Sure, so, MAGLIONI.

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<v Speaker 2>He had four children of his own that he had

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<v Speaker 2>to provide for. So the perpetual desperation that people had

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<v Speaker 2>during the Great Depression, you know, made pretty much everyone,

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<v Speaker 2>I think open to CD behavior.

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<v Speaker 3>That survival behavior.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, exactly. So tough Tony caught wind of the insurance

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<v Speaker 2>scheme somehow and he wanted in. So. Knowing tough Tony

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<v Speaker 2>was prone to violence and was willing to do just

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<v Speaker 2>about anything to make a buck, Tony Marino relented and

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<v Speaker 2>the Murder Trust now has five members.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh my gosh, right, Oh my gosh.

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<v Speaker 2>So breaking down the math of the new split of

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<v Speaker 2>the money, even with a double indemnity, it's sixteen hundred.

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<v Speaker 3>Dollars, Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>The profit that each of them are getting now is

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<v Speaker 2>shrinking because there's five people that they have to split

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<v Speaker 2>it up, and they're taking about three hundred and twenty dollars,

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<v Speaker 2>which in today's money is about seventy three hundred dollars.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh my goodness. Wow.

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<v Speaker 2>So it is a lot of money, but it's not like,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, one hundred thousand dollars or something. Right, They

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<v Speaker 2>decided that they needed more policies taken out on Michael.

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<v Speaker 2>So they're back to the drawing. They reach out to

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<v Speaker 2>Prudential and they meet with a different agent, and they

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<v Speaker 2>met with him on December tenth with a fake Nicholas

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<v Speaker 2>Mellory in tow and ever was playing the role of

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<v Speaker 2>Nicholas Mellory. It wasn't Michael.

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<v Speaker 3>It was someone who looked forty four.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, yeah, right, it was. It's unknown who actually did it.

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<v Speaker 2>The Prudential agent began an application for weekly insurance two

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<v Speaker 2>policies using mostly the same information from the MET the

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<v Speaker 2>Metropolitan policies, and save for some mistakes, Frank gave a

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<v Speaker 2>birthday that didn't match the MET policy. They're being sloppy, right,

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<v Speaker 2>They shaved off another four years of Nicholas Mellory, so

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<v Speaker 2>now he's only forty Okay. The other inconsistencies was the signature.

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<v Speaker 2>Originally Frank had signed it, but he did not sign

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<v Speaker 2>the new one for Prudential, So it's clearly two different

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<v Speaker 2>signatures on these policies for Nicholas Mellory. Regardless, they were

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00:23:56.680 --> 00:24:00.680
<v Speaker 2>approved the following week, and both policies that they took

423
00:24:00.720 --> 00:24:03.240
<v Speaker 2>out were for four hundred and ninety four dollars and

424
00:24:03.279 --> 00:24:06.880
<v Speaker 2>they both had this double indemnity clause. So in total,

425
00:24:06.960 --> 00:24:10.759
<v Speaker 2>now there's three thousand, five hundred and seventy six dollars

426
00:24:10.839 --> 00:24:14.359
<v Speaker 2>up for grabs, Like that's the insurance amount on Michael,

427
00:24:14.640 --> 00:24:17.880
<v Speaker 2>which in today's money is eighty one, eight hundred and

428
00:24:17.920 --> 00:24:21.200
<v Speaker 2>forty dollars between five.

429
00:24:21.599 --> 00:24:21.799
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

430
00:24:22.519 --> 00:24:25.759
<v Speaker 2>So the plan the men came up with, they believed,

431
00:24:25.839 --> 00:24:28.720
<v Speaker 2>was so simple it was laughable. They didn't need to

432
00:24:28.799 --> 00:24:32.920
<v Speaker 2>choot him like drag on. There was no intent on

433
00:24:33.000 --> 00:24:36.599
<v Speaker 2>putting any kind of effort in killing Michael. What they

434
00:24:37.119 --> 00:24:40.640
<v Speaker 2>wanted to do was that Tony was just gonna lift

435
00:24:40.759 --> 00:24:43.799
<v Speaker 2>the closure. Remember I told you he cut off Michael

436
00:24:43.839 --> 00:24:46.720
<v Speaker 2>from alcohol. He decided he was just gonna let it

437
00:24:46.759 --> 00:24:51.400
<v Speaker 2>flow and that they all figured that Michael's alcoholism would

438
00:24:51.400 --> 00:24:55.200
<v Speaker 2>do okay. So they all understood, you know, the plan

439
00:24:55.359 --> 00:24:58.240
<v Speaker 2>might not go the way they anticipated. Frank and Tony

440
00:24:58.400 --> 00:25:02.160
<v Speaker 2>brought brought in a couple other speakeasy regulars they knew

441
00:25:02.240 --> 00:25:05.079
<v Speaker 2>that would be willing to bump someone off for cheap

442
00:25:05.119 --> 00:25:08.359
<v Speaker 2>as a backup plan. Their names were Edward Smith and

443
00:25:08.440 --> 00:25:12.480
<v Speaker 2>John McNally. They both were career criminals and were enthusiastic

444
00:25:12.599 --> 00:25:15.880
<v Speaker 2>to be offered a job no matter if I was

445
00:25:15.920 --> 00:25:18.519
<v Speaker 2>illegal right. It was the magic word during the.

446
00:25:18.440 --> 00:25:20.160
<v Speaker 3>Great Bath's right job.

447
00:25:20.680 --> 00:25:24.119
<v Speaker 2>Mm hmmm. So they signed on for eight hundred dollars

448
00:25:24.200 --> 00:25:27.880
<v Speaker 2>upon the death of Michael. That's pretty big cut, but

449
00:25:28.160 --> 00:25:30.039
<v Speaker 2>they weren't only going to get it if they were needed.

450
00:25:30.480 --> 00:25:34.960
<v Speaker 2>So with the policies and this contingent plan in place now,

451
00:25:35.079 --> 00:25:38.200
<v Speaker 2>the Murder Trust is ready to begin acting on what

452
00:25:38.279 --> 00:25:41.079
<v Speaker 2>they're going to do. Right Well, one evening late in

453
00:25:41.079 --> 00:25:45.960
<v Speaker 2>December nineteen thirty, Michael walks into Marino's bar and he

454
00:25:46.079 --> 00:25:51.160
<v Speaker 2>was strangely welcomed with open arms, no tongue lashing about begging,

455
00:25:51.480 --> 00:25:54.839
<v Speaker 2>no remarks about his bar. Tab Tony explained that the

456
00:25:54.880 --> 00:25:58.920
<v Speaker 2>competition between the speakeasies was becoming fierce and he really

457
00:25:58.960 --> 00:26:02.359
<v Speaker 2>needed to change his rules. So to reward Michael for

458
00:26:02.480 --> 00:26:05.440
<v Speaker 2>his loyalty, his drinks would be on the house from

459
00:26:05.519 --> 00:26:09.640
<v Speaker 2>now on. So as the hours passed, Michael poured whiskey

460
00:26:10.440 --> 00:26:13.400
<v Speaker 2>and gin down his throat while members of the Murder

461
00:26:13.440 --> 00:26:16.319
<v Speaker 2>Truss looked at when a glass was emptied, someone was

462
00:26:16.359 --> 00:26:19.880
<v Speaker 2>always standing close by to fill it up again. Michael

463
00:26:20.000 --> 00:26:23.599
<v Speaker 2>drank and drank, and then drank some more. As the

464
00:26:23.640 --> 00:26:26.920
<v Speaker 2>other patrons began to leave, and the night wore on.

465
00:26:27.359 --> 00:26:30.200
<v Speaker 2>Michael eventually called the quits for the evening. He thanked

466
00:26:30.359 --> 00:26:33.920
<v Speaker 2>Tony and you know, for his gracious hospitality, and he

467
00:26:34.000 --> 00:26:36.119
<v Speaker 2>left to find a place to lay his head for

468
00:26:36.160 --> 00:26:39.559
<v Speaker 2>the night. The following day he was back and Tony

469
00:26:40.359 --> 00:26:43.519
<v Speaker 2>hopped to it to fill his glass up and repeated

470
00:26:43.519 --> 00:26:47.279
<v Speaker 2>the previous day, and Michael drank and he drank some more,

471
00:26:47.799 --> 00:26:53.039
<v Speaker 2>and Tony poured, and after drinking a spill, Michael left

472
00:26:53.079 --> 00:26:55.720
<v Speaker 2>again for the night. So by the third day that

473
00:26:55.799 --> 00:26:58.000
<v Speaker 2>this is going on, Tony's annoyed.

474
00:26:58.319 --> 00:27:01.680
<v Speaker 4>Okay, Tony is cragging because it's like, do you think

475
00:27:01.680 --> 00:27:06.160
<v Speaker 4>that alcoholism is like a plug, you just pull load

476
00:27:06.240 --> 00:27:11.240
<v Speaker 4>them up and everything explain, No, is an irishman to

477
00:27:12.480 --> 00:27:14.119
<v Speaker 4>this man was built.

478
00:27:15.200 --> 00:27:21.839
<v Speaker 3>You are a whiteotype, right.

479
00:27:22.359 --> 00:27:24.920
<v Speaker 2>You know, I'm thinking, like one night of drinking hard

480
00:27:25.000 --> 00:27:25.759
<v Speaker 2>ain't gonna do.

481
00:27:25.759 --> 00:27:29.160
<v Speaker 3>It three and you're irritated.

482
00:27:29.759 --> 00:27:32.400
<v Speaker 2>Like nos an alcoholic. It's gonna take a lot to

483
00:27:32.799 --> 00:27:33.519
<v Speaker 2>poison him.

484
00:27:33.599 --> 00:27:36.359
<v Speaker 4>But you're gonna need a long game if you're gonna

485
00:27:36.359 --> 00:27:39.160
<v Speaker 4>be playing this hand exactly.

486
00:27:39.200 --> 00:27:41.079
<v Speaker 2>I'm like, these are amateurs, right.

487
00:27:42.720 --> 00:27:43.400
<v Speaker 3>Exactly.

488
00:27:44.119 --> 00:27:48.440
<v Speaker 2>So this third day, okay, after making himself a sardine sandwich,

489
00:27:48.720 --> 00:27:52.000
<v Speaker 2>Michael pulled up a seat at the bar, and Tony's

490
00:27:52.039 --> 00:27:55.039
<v Speaker 2>watching all of his liquor go down Michael's throat for

491
00:27:55.119 --> 00:27:59.519
<v Speaker 2>free bathing, Yeah, and he's yeah, he's seething. And Michael

492
00:27:59.519 --> 00:28:02.240
<v Speaker 2>looks no worse for wear. And as he left the

493
00:28:02.279 --> 00:28:05.240
<v Speaker 2>bar that night, there was only a faint hope that

494
00:28:05.319 --> 00:28:08.680
<v Speaker 2>he would taken out by being exposed to the elements.

495
00:28:08.279 --> 00:28:08.799
<v Speaker 3>On the show.

496
00:28:10.200 --> 00:28:14.039
<v Speaker 2>Yeah right, oh, maybe maybe winter will get him right,

497
00:28:15.160 --> 00:28:18.480
<v Speaker 2>you know, in combination with alcohol, the desperation of their

498
00:28:18.640 --> 00:28:21.759
<v Speaker 2>situation starts to settle in for the murder trust, and

499
00:28:21.920 --> 00:28:26.519
<v Speaker 2>Michael's endurance with drink is beginning to become clear to them.

500
00:28:27.039 --> 00:28:29.880
<v Speaker 2>The reality of this easy money that they really hoped

501
00:28:29.920 --> 00:28:34.400
<v Speaker 2>to obtain was just forcing this group to reassess the situation.

502
00:28:34.720 --> 00:28:37.880
<v Speaker 2>Michael was drinking by the bottle, and he was getting

503
00:28:38.039 --> 00:28:41.880
<v Speaker 2>rip worn drunk, but never showed symptoms of being like

504
00:28:42.359 --> 00:28:45.480
<v Speaker 2>pissed drunk. Right, like he was drunk, but he.

505
00:28:45.720 --> 00:28:49.240
<v Speaker 3>Wasn't his body his brain.

506
00:28:49.599 --> 00:28:53.359
<v Speaker 2>Yes, there was no like alcohol poisoning. There's no vomiting.

507
00:28:53.559 --> 00:28:58.279
<v Speaker 2>He's not guesting out. Even so, tough Tony began to

508
00:28:58.400 --> 00:29:01.599
<v Speaker 2>argue that it was time for a more or straightforward approach.

509
00:29:02.400 --> 00:29:05.559
<v Speaker 2>He wasn't one to continue with subtlety, as if there

510
00:29:05.599 --> 00:29:08.839
<v Speaker 2>was any other choice, right, But the group discussed and

511
00:29:09.000 --> 00:29:12.240
<v Speaker 2>the majority agreed that they would continue as planned. Red

512
00:29:12.359 --> 00:29:14.319
<v Speaker 2>was the one who came up with the next idea,

513
00:29:14.759 --> 00:29:18.319
<v Speaker 2>Gaining the attention of the other members of the Murder Trust,

514
00:29:18.440 --> 00:29:21.559
<v Speaker 2>he suggested that they switch the whiskey and gin out

515
00:29:21.599 --> 00:29:25.480
<v Speaker 2>for something stronger and toxic. Okay, so why don't they

516
00:29:25.519 --> 00:29:29.799
<v Speaker 2>start pouring wood alcohol into his glass? And wood alcohol

517
00:29:30.039 --> 00:29:35.599
<v Speaker 2>is impure alcohol or denatured alcohol, paint thinner, Oh my gosh,

518
00:29:36.240 --> 00:29:39.359
<v Speaker 2>you know, whatever you choose to call it, it's lethal, right.

519
00:29:39.799 --> 00:29:44.279
<v Speaker 2>Bellevue Hospital stated in nineteen twenty seven that three drinks

520
00:29:44.279 --> 00:29:48.200
<v Speaker 2>of four percent wood alcohol could cause blindness in people.

521
00:29:48.240 --> 00:29:49.119
<v Speaker 3>Oh my goodness.

522
00:29:49.640 --> 00:29:53.839
<v Speaker 2>So if Red poured a whole glass of this paint thinner,

523
00:29:54.319 --> 00:29:58.160
<v Speaker 2>then Michael fully ingested that maybe he would finally succumb

524
00:29:58.599 --> 00:30:01.400
<v Speaker 2>to right drink like it had to happen, Like they're

525
00:30:01.400 --> 00:30:04.559
<v Speaker 2>all like it's got to happen, right, Sure, So Daniel,

526
00:30:04.680 --> 00:30:08.680
<v Speaker 2>Frank and Tony were enthusiastically on board. The wood alcohol

527
00:30:08.799 --> 00:30:11.960
<v Speaker 2>was purchased for ten cents a can, and the endeavor

528
00:30:12.039 --> 00:30:16.160
<v Speaker 2>began that night. So Michael begins drinking a regular old

529
00:30:16.200 --> 00:30:20.359
<v Speaker 2>Shadow whiskey. That evening, he drank three or four shots

530
00:30:20.839 --> 00:30:24.680
<v Speaker 2>to wunt his wits before they started pouring him straight

531
00:30:24.720 --> 00:30:28.799
<v Speaker 2>shots of paint thinner, and concerned that he would be

532
00:30:28.799 --> 00:30:32.519
<v Speaker 2>able to tell that shots were being played with, Red

533
00:30:32.599 --> 00:30:36.200
<v Speaker 2>watched Michael's expression for any kind of sign of.

534
00:30:36.400 --> 00:30:39.880
<v Speaker 3>You know, oh yeah, night for sure, but.

535
00:30:40.599 --> 00:30:44.400
<v Speaker 2>Michael continued to ask for more, and the murder Trutch

536
00:30:44.640 --> 00:30:49.359
<v Speaker 2>just watched and stunned astonishment. As Michael continued to drink

537
00:30:49.480 --> 00:30:53.240
<v Speaker 2>the paint thinner and leaving that night, the group was disappointed.

538
00:30:53.519 --> 00:30:58.279
<v Speaker 2>The Daily News reported quote that Michael merely slept it

539
00:30:58.319 --> 00:31:01.880
<v Speaker 2>off and appeared at the speaking the next day, none

540
00:31:01.880 --> 00:31:03.759
<v Speaker 2>for the worse of his exposure.

541
00:31:03.880 --> 00:31:06.640
<v Speaker 3>Oh my gosh.

542
00:31:06.759 --> 00:31:09.920
<v Speaker 2>The following day, when Michael showed up, they again started

543
00:31:10.119 --> 00:31:14.359
<v Speaker 2>with the whiskey. They tainted it with wood alcohol, which

544
00:31:14.400 --> 00:31:17.920
<v Speaker 2>soon then became glasses of nothing but paint thinner, and

545
00:31:18.119 --> 00:31:22.480
<v Speaker 2>Michael remained oblivious to this betrayal by his so called friends.

546
00:31:23.240 --> 00:31:26.200
<v Speaker 2>He never noticed the taste, and he actually seemed to

547
00:31:26.240 --> 00:31:28.720
<v Speaker 2>like it. He would drink it all and ask for more.

548
00:31:29.200 --> 00:31:32.319
<v Speaker 2>This irritated the gang, seeing that is he immuned, like

549
00:31:32.519 --> 00:31:36.000
<v Speaker 2>what the right, So they set out a challenge to

550
00:31:36.039 --> 00:31:40.319
<v Speaker 2>speed things up. Daniel asked Michael, let's see how much

551
00:31:40.359 --> 00:31:43.039
<v Speaker 2>we can drink. We're gonna have a contest. So Red

552
00:31:43.079 --> 00:31:46.279
<v Speaker 2>sets up to pour Michael some shots of the paint

553
00:31:46.319 --> 00:31:50.880
<v Speaker 2>Thinner and Daniel has drinks of whiskey. Shot after shot,

554
00:31:51.519 --> 00:31:54.440
<v Speaker 2>Michael drank his friend under the table.

555
00:31:54.599 --> 00:31:57.039
<v Speaker 3>Oh my gosh.

556
00:31:56.400 --> 00:32:00.559
<v Speaker 2>I get so much he drank. He drank a quote

557
00:32:00.599 --> 00:32:03.519
<v Speaker 2>and a half of paint Thinner that night. I think

558
00:32:03.599 --> 00:32:05.519
<v Speaker 2>there's what two quarter.

559
00:32:05.400 --> 00:32:08.359
<v Speaker 3>Of a gallon? Yeah, four quurts make a gallon.

560
00:32:10.160 --> 00:32:13.160
<v Speaker 2>So yeah, a little over a quarter gallon.

561
00:32:13.559 --> 00:32:16.839
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I'm thinking, were you really sold paint thinner where

562
00:32:16.880 --> 00:32:17.680
<v Speaker 4>you sold water?

563
00:32:18.039 --> 00:32:23.079
<v Speaker 3>Yeah? Man, I don't get it. What kind of jacket

564
00:32:23.160 --> 00:32:27.519
<v Speaker 3>paint thinner than paint center? Quote unquote air quotes.

565
00:32:29.079 --> 00:32:29.359
<v Speaker 4>Oh.

566
00:32:29.480 --> 00:32:33.000
<v Speaker 2>So, the same story would continue several nights in a

567
00:32:33.079 --> 00:32:36.359
<v Speaker 2>row until like these people are like something has to give.

568
00:32:36.599 --> 00:32:40.319
<v Speaker 2>Red would pour Michael shots of what alcohol just as

569
00:32:40.400 --> 00:32:43.799
<v Speaker 2>quickly as they were drinking. Finally, Michael started to lean

570
00:32:43.920 --> 00:32:47.200
<v Speaker 2>and sway. One night, his words were slurred and he

571
00:32:47.279 --> 00:32:50.640
<v Speaker 2>was incoherent. The final drink took him to the floor.

572
00:32:50.880 --> 00:32:53.799
<v Speaker 2>He finally passes out, and the men watching. They've been

573
00:32:53.799 --> 00:32:54.559
<v Speaker 2>waiting for.

574
00:32:54.440 --> 00:32:56.480
<v Speaker 3>This for days.

575
00:32:56.759 --> 00:33:00.839
<v Speaker 2>Raw Red's success gave him a sense of and the

576
00:33:00.880 --> 00:33:04.039
<v Speaker 2>Murder Trust they had been beginning to lose money on

577
00:33:04.160 --> 00:33:07.319
<v Speaker 2>the scheme. They'd been paying the monthly and the weekly

578
00:33:07.400 --> 00:33:11.519
<v Speaker 2>premiums buying the liquor and the poison. The murder of

579
00:33:11.640 --> 00:33:14.680
<v Speaker 2>Michael wasn't a cheap enterprise that they thought. Shit adds

580
00:33:14.799 --> 00:33:18.240
<v Speaker 2>up when yes, So Michael's passed out on the floor

581
00:33:18.519 --> 00:33:21.200
<v Speaker 2>and Frank bends down to take his pulse to check

582
00:33:21.240 --> 00:33:24.079
<v Speaker 2>and see if he's still breathing, and then, as if

583
00:33:24.119 --> 00:33:27.279
<v Speaker 2>to slap the Murder Trust in the face, Michael begins snoring.

584
00:33:28.200 --> 00:33:31.200
<v Speaker 3>That is fucking hilarious. I love that.

585
00:33:31.759 --> 00:33:35.279
<v Speaker 2>I know. So they're like, Okay, he's not dead, he's oh,

586
00:33:35.920 --> 00:33:39.240
<v Speaker 2>but maybe he's gone blind, Like maybe this is finally

587
00:33:39.279 --> 00:33:42.759
<v Speaker 2>the tipping point, Like maybe they're thinking is an he's

588
00:33:42.799 --> 00:33:46.079
<v Speaker 2>not nauseous, like his stomach is like an iron stomach.

589
00:33:46.359 --> 00:33:48.480
<v Speaker 3>I'm not trying to be like gross funny.

590
00:33:48.640 --> 00:33:51.960
<v Speaker 4>You know what, this reminds me of what's that Jim

591
00:33:52.000 --> 00:33:54.680
<v Speaker 4>Carrey movie Me Myself and Irene?

592
00:33:54.960 --> 00:33:57.240
<v Speaker 3>Like he used to put down that cow in the.

593
00:33:57.240 --> 00:34:04.240
<v Speaker 4>Road, Ivy walks away the cow You know, it's just

594
00:34:04.279 --> 00:34:06.200
<v Speaker 4>like I'm not trying to say it's funny like that.

595
00:34:06.400 --> 00:34:09.559
<v Speaker 4>This group of idiots just to even keep up, Like,

596
00:34:09.880 --> 00:34:12.400
<v Speaker 4>I don't see how you can not one time in

597
00:34:12.440 --> 00:34:14.440
<v Speaker 4>the days that you're trying to kill this guy.

598
00:34:14.639 --> 00:34:17.679
<v Speaker 3>No one had a crisis of conscious. This is this

599
00:34:17.719 --> 00:34:20.840
<v Speaker 3>is a sign from God. Yeah, in and nothing.

600
00:34:22.880 --> 00:34:25.480
<v Speaker 2>This paint thinner is supposedly gonna make somebody go blind

601
00:34:25.480 --> 00:34:27.480
<v Speaker 2>if they have three shots of it. And here he's

602
00:34:27.559 --> 00:34:32.079
<v Speaker 2>drinking quarts and gallons of the ship days per days.

603
00:34:31.639 --> 00:34:33.599
<v Speaker 4>And then snores. I just wanted to kiss them on

604
00:34:33.679 --> 00:34:39.440
<v Speaker 4>the forehead. Way to go, Mike, way to go, I know.

605
00:34:39.840 --> 00:34:42.079
<v Speaker 2>So he ended up spending the night on the floor

606
00:34:42.280 --> 00:34:46.360
<v Speaker 2>of Marina tough. Tony once again he brought up the

607
00:34:46.440 --> 00:34:47.639
<v Speaker 2>quick and dirty method.

608
00:34:48.079 --> 00:34:48.320
<v Speaker 4>You know.

609
00:34:48.480 --> 00:34:51.400
<v Speaker 2>He pats the gun on his hip and he's like, Okay,

610
00:34:51.440 --> 00:34:54.079
<v Speaker 2>we've sunk way too much money into this. We need

611
00:34:54.119 --> 00:34:57.920
<v Speaker 2>to move. And Frank and Tony they declined, and they

612
00:34:57.920 --> 00:35:01.119
<v Speaker 2>decided to plan another attempt to ensure now that they

613
00:35:01.159 --> 00:35:05.559
<v Speaker 2>received that double indemnity policy. Oh right, drinking yourself to

614
00:35:05.599 --> 00:35:09.039
<v Speaker 2>death doesn't qualify as an accident, and neither would some

615
00:35:09.079 --> 00:35:11.000
<v Speaker 2>of the other attempts that they were going to follow.

616
00:35:11.320 --> 00:35:15.199
<v Speaker 2>So the thought process was they're going to continue to

617
00:35:15.199 --> 00:35:17.960
<v Speaker 2>do what they need to do. Frank pitched this plan.

618
00:35:18.320 --> 00:35:20.599
<v Speaker 2>He said, Okay, what we're gonna do is we're going

619
00:35:20.679 --> 00:35:24.599
<v Speaker 2>to soak some oysters in a jar of the paint

620
00:35:24.679 --> 00:35:29.159
<v Speaker 2>dinner and serve them to Michael. He had run into

621
00:35:29.199 --> 00:35:32.760
<v Speaker 2>this fatal mixture as an undertaker. I guess it happened

622
00:35:32.760 --> 00:35:35.280
<v Speaker 2>to someone. So they're hoping that this now is going

623
00:35:35.360 --> 00:35:39.199
<v Speaker 2>to cause like a cute indigestion when the oysters go down.

624
00:35:39.519 --> 00:35:43.039
<v Speaker 2>Maybe it's going to be like concrete in Michael's Okay,

625
00:35:43.719 --> 00:35:47.159
<v Speaker 2>So early January, Michael makes his way to the speakeasy

626
00:35:47.639 --> 00:35:49.599
<v Speaker 2>and he took a seat at the bar. Although he'd

627
00:35:49.639 --> 00:35:53.039
<v Speaker 2>been drinking paint dinner for weeks now and the entire

628
00:35:53.079 --> 00:35:57.280
<v Speaker 2>building smelled of this chemical, oh my gosh, he didn't

629
00:35:57.320 --> 00:36:00.880
<v Speaker 2>seem the least bit phased. After a few dreams, Tony

630
00:36:00.920 --> 00:36:04.599
<v Speaker 2>placed a plate of oysters that had been marinating in

631
00:36:04.679 --> 00:36:07.480
<v Speaker 2>the poison for a few days in front of Michael

632
00:36:07.920 --> 00:36:11.239
<v Speaker 2>as they played cards at a nearby table. Frank and

633
00:36:11.400 --> 00:36:14.960
<v Speaker 2>tough Tony look on. Michael down to oyster after oyster,

634
00:36:15.599 --> 00:36:19.039
<v Speaker 2>and he thanked Tony for his generosity at providing him

635
00:36:19.039 --> 00:36:23.480
<v Speaker 2>such a delicious meals after pushing away the plate, and

636
00:36:23.519 --> 00:36:27.039
<v Speaker 2>there's no sign of any kind of illness and no complaints.

637
00:36:27.679 --> 00:36:31.000
<v Speaker 2>They're just looking at him like what the fuck? Absolutely,

638
00:36:31.199 --> 00:36:33.840
<v Speaker 2>and Michael's like another drink, garsone.

639
00:36:35.639 --> 00:36:38.280
<v Speaker 3>I love your French, Michael Michel.

640
00:36:39.000 --> 00:36:44.599
<v Speaker 2>Yes, a few regular patrons of this place, not involved

641
00:36:44.639 --> 00:36:49.079
<v Speaker 2>in scheme. They began to see something. Yeah right. The

642
00:36:49.280 --> 00:36:54.480
<v Speaker 2>men involved were constantly whispering and huddled in frantic discussions.

643
00:36:55.000 --> 00:36:58.840
<v Speaker 2>The murder plot had become desperate, and it's becoming an

644
00:36:58.880 --> 00:37:02.599
<v Speaker 2>obsession for these guys. But you know it wasn't supposed

645
00:37:02.599 --> 00:37:05.199
<v Speaker 2>to take this long. So rather than give up, the

646
00:37:05.239 --> 00:37:08.559
<v Speaker 2>men continued, almost as a matter of principle, like they're like,

647
00:37:08.559 --> 00:37:11.800
<v Speaker 2>we're going to kill this fucker. So, walking away from

648
00:37:11.800 --> 00:37:15.280
<v Speaker 2>the Oysters that night, Tony asked Michael how he was feeling,

649
00:37:15.679 --> 00:37:19.559
<v Speaker 2>and Michael answered, never felt better in all my life.

650
00:37:20.159 --> 00:37:20.840
<v Speaker 3>I love it.

651
00:37:21.239 --> 00:37:26.079
<v Speaker 2>So after a thoughtful discussion, Red's next plan wins out.

652
00:37:26.440 --> 00:37:31.280
<v Speaker 2>They chose to try to poison sardines. On many nights

653
00:37:31.320 --> 00:37:34.199
<v Speaker 2>after beginning his binge, Michael would saunter up to the

654
00:37:34.199 --> 00:37:38.239
<v Speaker 2>free lunch tray and make himself a sardine sandwich. So

655
00:37:38.280 --> 00:37:41.320
<v Speaker 2>the next night Red purchased a can of sardines. After

656
00:37:41.360 --> 00:37:43.679
<v Speaker 2>opening it, he left them open on a shelf to

657
00:37:43.800 --> 00:37:47.039
<v Speaker 2>rat for a few days, and when Michael came in

658
00:37:47.199 --> 00:37:50.559
<v Speaker 2>a few evenings later, Red smeared the rattenfish on a

659
00:37:50.559 --> 00:37:54.239
<v Speaker 2>piece of bread. He added to it metal shavings that

660
00:37:54.320 --> 00:37:57.920
<v Speaker 2>he got from a local machine shop, bits of broken glass,

661
00:37:57.960 --> 00:38:02.000
<v Speaker 2>and carpet tacks, before placing one more slice of bread

662
00:38:02.000 --> 00:38:02.400
<v Speaker 2>on top.

663
00:38:02.760 --> 00:38:04.079
<v Speaker 3>Oh my gosh.

664
00:38:04.519 --> 00:38:08.480
<v Speaker 2>Once he gives this to Michael with your first shot

665
00:38:08.599 --> 00:38:12.440
<v Speaker 2>of the paint thinner, he offers the sandwich and Michael

666
00:38:12.559 --> 00:38:17.440
<v Speaker 2>hungrily accepts it. Yeah, and he begins eating. So Red's waiting,

667
00:38:18.079 --> 00:38:20.960
<v Speaker 2>and he could see in his mind's eye the metal

668
00:38:21.000 --> 00:38:25.360
<v Speaker 2>shavings and the carpet tacks like attacking Michael's organs and.

669
00:38:25.280 --> 00:38:27.400
<v Speaker 3>Try cutting them up. Share.

670
00:38:27.960 --> 00:38:31.320
<v Speaker 2>Okay, he's eating this. Yeah, but Michael didn't seem to

671
00:38:31.360 --> 00:38:35.440
<v Speaker 2>feel a thing. He thanked Red for such a well

672
00:38:35.480 --> 00:38:38.440
<v Speaker 2>crafted meal and asked for another drink after he ate

673
00:38:38.480 --> 00:38:39.639
<v Speaker 2>the entire sandwich.

674
00:38:39.960 --> 00:38:41.320
<v Speaker 3>Hats off to you, irishman.

675
00:38:42.119 --> 00:38:47.679
<v Speaker 4>Honestly, I am so impressed, and just that they're so dumbfounded.

676
00:38:48.079 --> 00:38:50.159
<v Speaker 3>Yes I would, I can't blame them.

677
00:38:50.199 --> 00:38:52.400
<v Speaker 4>I I mean, if I was of that mindset and

678
00:38:52.440 --> 00:38:55.360
<v Speaker 4>that was my goal, I would just be like, what

679
00:38:55.440 --> 00:38:55.960
<v Speaker 4>the f.

680
00:38:56.320 --> 00:39:00.519
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Like honestly, metal shavings, glass, I mean, and the

681
00:39:00.559 --> 00:39:04.159
<v Speaker 2>paint center for now it seems weeks right right, and

682
00:39:04.280 --> 00:39:06.800
<v Speaker 2>carpet tax like you're thinking like, okay, this has to

683
00:39:06.880 --> 00:39:07.119
<v Speaker 2>kill it.

684
00:39:07.239 --> 00:39:12.920
<v Speaker 4>Battle shavings, Oh my gosh, you're not digesting that, noy're

685
00:39:13.039 --> 00:39:16.519
<v Speaker 4>putting your insides up pollary. Oh maybe he doesn't have teeth,

686
00:39:16.719 --> 00:39:19.239
<v Speaker 4>you know, maybe thirties, because I'm like, man, if something

687
00:39:19.320 --> 00:39:21.559
<v Speaker 4>hits my too, them all like what the fuck is that?

688
00:39:22.039 --> 00:39:22.880
<v Speaker 3>Yeah? You know.

689
00:39:25.000 --> 00:39:28.719
<v Speaker 2>So on his we home one cold winter evening, Tony

690
00:39:28.800 --> 00:39:31.440
<v Speaker 2>was thinking back to early nineteen thirty two when he

691
00:39:31.559 --> 00:39:35.239
<v Speaker 2>had an affair with a lovely blonde hairdresser, and her

692
00:39:35.320 --> 00:39:39.199
<v Speaker 2>name was Mabel Carlson. She was twenty seven. Originally from Washington,

693
00:39:39.280 --> 00:39:41.719
<v Speaker 2>d c. Mabel moved to New York in December of

694
00:39:41.800 --> 00:39:44.880
<v Speaker 2>nineteen thirty one after her mother died and her marriage failed.

695
00:39:45.239 --> 00:39:48.559
<v Speaker 2>She found herself sitting at Marino's bar regularly, and then

696
00:39:48.760 --> 00:39:51.679
<v Speaker 2>he brought her into his home, much to his wife

697
00:39:51.760 --> 00:39:53.320
<v Speaker 2>Eleanor's dismay.

698
00:39:53.320 --> 00:39:54.039
<v Speaker 3>Oh fuck that.

699
00:39:54.199 --> 00:39:58.239
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's when Eleanor left her husband after Mabel became

700
00:39:58.320 --> 00:40:03.199
<v Speaker 2>a regular fixture. Yeah, and Eleanor moved in with her

701
00:40:03.239 --> 00:40:05.800
<v Speaker 2>sister in law and father in law. On March seventeen,

702
00:40:05.880 --> 00:40:08.599
<v Speaker 2>nineteen thirty two, at ten thirty in the morning, the

703
00:40:08.679 --> 00:40:13.519
<v Speaker 2>police were called to the Marino apartment where Mabel was

704
00:40:13.559 --> 00:40:16.880
<v Speaker 2>found unresponsive in bed. And this is why I mention it.

705
00:40:16.880 --> 00:40:19.599
<v Speaker 2>You might be sitting there like we were talking about Mike. Yeah,

706
00:40:19.639 --> 00:40:22.400
<v Speaker 2>this is important. So the autopsy said she died of

707
00:40:22.519 --> 00:40:28.320
<v Speaker 2>pneumonia and acute and chronic alcoholism. So Tony had told

708
00:40:28.360 --> 00:40:31.400
<v Speaker 2>authorities that she'd been drinking heavily over the course of

709
00:40:31.440 --> 00:40:34.480
<v Speaker 2>a few weeks, and she'd refused to stop or seek

710
00:40:34.679 --> 00:40:37.760
<v Speaker 2>medical help. There were signs that she'd been physically abused,

711
00:40:37.840 --> 00:40:40.519
<v Speaker 2>and the bruises had been covered up by like makeup.

712
00:40:40.920 --> 00:40:43.519
<v Speaker 2>And Tony had taken out a two thousand dollars life

713
00:40:43.519 --> 00:40:47.239
<v Speaker 2>insurance policy on Mabel, and he collected it in less

714
00:40:47.239 --> 00:40:52.559
<v Speaker 2>than a week after she died. So, after our story ends,

715
00:40:52.639 --> 00:40:55.400
<v Speaker 2>in Michael's death happens, I mean, I told you you'd

716
00:40:55.440 --> 00:40:57.760
<v Speaker 2>begin it was his murder. It would come out that

717
00:40:58.039 --> 00:41:02.920
<v Speaker 2>Tony force fed the whiskey down Mabel's throat until she

718
00:41:02.920 --> 00:41:06.000
<v Speaker 2>could no longer drink. He helped her to bed, which

719
00:41:06.039 --> 00:41:09.199
<v Speaker 2>he had moved under an open window. He poured ice

720
00:41:09.280 --> 00:41:12.880
<v Speaker 2>water on the mattress, stripped her naked, and wrapped her

721
00:41:13.000 --> 00:41:14.719
<v Speaker 2>in cold wet bedding.

722
00:41:15.440 --> 00:41:17.000
<v Speaker 3>Oh my gosh.

723
00:41:17.079 --> 00:41:20.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so leaving her under the open window, she succumbed.

724
00:41:20.360 --> 00:41:24.559
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, the elements of course, for sure, in.

725
00:41:24.599 --> 00:41:28.639
<v Speaker 2>Being drunk as fast. Right. So Tony's like, he's thinking

726
00:41:28.679 --> 00:41:31.159
<v Speaker 2>back to what he did to Mabel, and now he's

727
00:41:31.159 --> 00:41:33.039
<v Speaker 2>got this new plan that they're going to try and

728
00:41:33.119 --> 00:41:36.880
<v Speaker 2>do this to Michael. He'd been successful, so okay, so

729
00:41:36.920 --> 00:41:38.400
<v Speaker 2>he's like, we're going to do this.

730
00:41:38.519 --> 00:41:39.440
<v Speaker 3>How we're going to do it.

731
00:41:39.559 --> 00:41:43.039
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So in mid January, Michael came into the bar

732
00:41:43.320 --> 00:41:46.960
<v Speaker 2>and Tony sat with him, had a conversation for hours

733
00:41:47.000 --> 00:41:49.960
<v Speaker 2>with him, making sure that Michael's glass was never empty.

734
00:41:50.639 --> 00:41:53.320
<v Speaker 2>He knew that for this to work, Michael couldn't just

735
00:41:53.400 --> 00:41:58.119
<v Speaker 2>be drunk. He needed to be unconscious. Yes, one weather

736
00:41:58.199 --> 00:42:01.960
<v Speaker 2>report described it to be an arctic day that day,

737
00:42:02.480 --> 00:42:05.559
<v Speaker 2>which would be a perfect setting. Sure man out to

738
00:42:05.639 --> 00:42:10.320
<v Speaker 2>be surrendered to the elements. But after drinking himself into

739
00:42:10.320 --> 00:42:15.360
<v Speaker 2>a stupor, Tony and Frank carried Michael to Frank's roadster,

740
00:42:15.639 --> 00:42:17.639
<v Speaker 2>put him in the back seat to drive him to

741
00:42:18.119 --> 00:42:21.920
<v Speaker 2>Krotona park where he would be dragged to a park

742
00:42:21.960 --> 00:42:24.519
<v Speaker 2>bench and laid down. So they carried a bucket of

743
00:42:24.559 --> 00:42:26.719
<v Speaker 2>water with them, and once he was laid out on

744
00:42:26.760 --> 00:42:29.280
<v Speaker 2>the bench, they stripped the clothes off his chest, poured

745
00:42:29.360 --> 00:42:32.360
<v Speaker 2>water over him, and took off back to the speakeasy,

746
00:42:32.599 --> 00:42:35.840
<v Speaker 2>confident that there wouldn't be any way that Michael was

747
00:42:35.880 --> 00:42:39.920
<v Speaker 2>going to survive this. Right the next day, Tony walks

748
00:42:39.920 --> 00:42:43.159
<v Speaker 2>into his bar to start the day, and he probably

749
00:42:43.199 --> 00:42:45.480
<v Speaker 2>would have been curious as to the fate of his

750
00:42:45.599 --> 00:42:49.199
<v Speaker 2>loyal customer, but it wouldn't take long for him to

751
00:42:49.239 --> 00:42:52.880
<v Speaker 2>discover what happened. During the night. Michael had woke up

752
00:42:53.280 --> 00:42:56.440
<v Speaker 2>to find himself freezing on a park bench. He made

753
00:42:56.440 --> 00:42:59.440
<v Speaker 2>his way half a mile through Cole, New York, winner

754
00:42:59.760 --> 00:43:02.840
<v Speaker 2>to the back of Marino's bar. Red who was not

755
00:43:03.079 --> 00:43:06.880
<v Speaker 2>party to this plan, let Michael in. He was woken

756
00:43:06.920 --> 00:43:08.599
<v Speaker 2>up because he was sleeping in the bar. He was

757
00:43:08.599 --> 00:43:11.719
<v Speaker 2>woken up bicycle and he led him in to sleep

758
00:43:11.760 --> 00:43:14.400
<v Speaker 2>in the bar. So Michael made his way down to

759
00:43:14.440 --> 00:43:17.800
<v Speaker 2>the basement, where Tony found him. The following day, sleeping

760
00:43:17.880 --> 00:43:19.519
<v Speaker 2>next to the heat of the guest.

761
00:43:19.599 --> 00:43:25.159
<v Speaker 4>Oh my gosh, this is so I'm glad this is

762
00:43:25.199 --> 00:43:28.719
<v Speaker 4>given Tony a hard time because he's not such a motherfucker.

763
00:43:29.039 --> 00:43:32.840
<v Speaker 4>I'm glad that this is a thorn in his side.

764
00:43:32.880 --> 00:43:35.800
<v Speaker 2>That day, they were like, Okay, we're waving the white

765
00:43:35.800 --> 00:43:38.960
<v Speaker 2>flag for the day. But the group decides they got

766
00:43:39.079 --> 00:43:42.119
<v Speaker 2>up their game because they're determined now they're gonna kill

767
00:43:42.119 --> 00:43:46.239
<v Speaker 2>Michael somehow. It's believed that Michael would have been in

768
00:43:46.320 --> 00:43:49.440
<v Speaker 2>severe amounts of pain struggling to reach warmth that night.

769
00:43:49.559 --> 00:43:52.320
<v Speaker 2>Just as a side note, the next attempt would be

770
00:43:52.360 --> 00:43:56.000
<v Speaker 2>more violent on him. Harry Hershey Green was a cam

771
00:43:56.159 --> 00:43:59.760
<v Speaker 2>driver described as a deeply disturbed young man who saw

772
00:44:00.039 --> 00:44:02.960
<v Speaker 2>very little value in human life. At twenty four, he

773
00:44:03.000 --> 00:44:06.480
<v Speaker 2>hadn't killed anyone yet, but it wasn't due to lack

774
00:44:06.480 --> 00:44:09.159
<v Speaker 2>of interest. He admitted that he was keen on the

775
00:44:09.239 --> 00:44:12.559
<v Speaker 2>idea if an opportunity presented itself, but he needed to

776
00:44:12.559 --> 00:44:16.079
<v Speaker 2>get paid for it. So being a friend of Joe Maglioni,

777
00:44:16.320 --> 00:44:20.360
<v Speaker 2>if you remember he was the other counterfeitter with tough Tony, Yes,

778
00:44:20.639 --> 00:44:23.119
<v Speaker 2>Hershey was finally going to get his chance. He would

779
00:44:23.159 --> 00:44:26.320
<v Speaker 2>happily accept one hundred and fifty dollars to run over

780
00:44:26.559 --> 00:44:27.800
<v Speaker 2>Michael in his cab.

781
00:44:28.079 --> 00:44:29.679
<v Speaker 3>Okay, that's the next plan.

782
00:44:30.000 --> 00:44:34.000
<v Speaker 2>So one evening in late January, Hershey came to Marinos

783
00:44:34.199 --> 00:44:36.960
<v Speaker 2>and met the rest of the game. During the discussions

784
00:44:36.960 --> 00:44:39.559
<v Speaker 2>of how to get the job done, he was told, quote,

785
00:44:39.599 --> 00:44:42.360
<v Speaker 2>if there's any doubt, back over the bastard and make

786
00:44:42.400 --> 00:44:45.159
<v Speaker 2>sure the job's done right end Quote her She found

787
00:44:45.199 --> 00:44:47.559
<v Speaker 2>a nice stretch of road where he'd be able to

788
00:44:47.679 --> 00:44:51.960
<v Speaker 2>gain quite a bit of speed. January thirtieth, nineteen thirty three,

789
00:44:52.320 --> 00:44:55.519
<v Speaker 2>Michael was plastered with wood alcohol. The smile, I mean,

790
00:44:55.719 --> 00:44:59.199
<v Speaker 2>the smell was just odd from his schoolers. He fell

791
00:44:59.280 --> 00:45:02.880
<v Speaker 2>limp around me. So they take him to Hershey's cab

792
00:45:03.679 --> 00:45:06.239
<v Speaker 2>and they drove to that stretch of road that her

793
00:45:06.280 --> 00:45:10.400
<v Speaker 2>She had found tough. Tony and Red carried Michael out

794
00:45:10.400 --> 00:45:12.760
<v Speaker 2>of the car and held him up by both arms.

795
00:45:13.039 --> 00:45:15.280
<v Speaker 2>Hers She backed up aways and he reaved the engine

796
00:45:15.599 --> 00:45:19.880
<v Speaker 2>and punched the gas. The car launched. Tony and Red

797
00:45:19.920 --> 00:45:22.559
<v Speaker 2>are now prepared. They're holding up Michael, and they're prepared

798
00:45:22.559 --> 00:45:26.280
<v Speaker 2>to jump out right right at the last possible moment.

799
00:45:26.559 --> 00:45:30.519
<v Speaker 2>And then Joe yelled stop. A woman had lit a

800
00:45:30.599 --> 00:45:34.039
<v Speaker 2>lamp in her window. So this place, they decided wasn't

801
00:45:34.079 --> 00:45:38.960
<v Speaker 2>remote enough. Hers, she had Tony and Red put Michael

802
00:45:39.000 --> 00:45:41.079
<v Speaker 2>back in the car, and they needed to find somewhere

803
00:45:41.079 --> 00:45:43.559
<v Speaker 2>else to carry out this plan. So just around the

804
00:45:43.599 --> 00:45:46.199
<v Speaker 2>corner they found a spot and they pulled Michael out

805
00:45:46.199 --> 00:45:48.400
<v Speaker 2>of the car. Again. They stood him up, and they're

806
00:45:48.519 --> 00:45:52.039
<v Speaker 2>attempting this again. On the first attempt, tough Tony and

807
00:45:52.119 --> 00:45:55.239
<v Speaker 2>Red were holding him up and when they jumped to

808
00:45:55.280 --> 00:45:58.039
<v Speaker 2>get out of the way, so did Michael. For someone

809
00:45:58.119 --> 00:46:01.880
<v Speaker 2>on the edge of consciousness, he moved quickly, so they

810
00:46:01.880 --> 00:46:05.280
<v Speaker 2>stood him up to try it again, and he got

811
00:46:05.440 --> 00:46:08.039
<v Speaker 2>the car for the second time. The third time they

812
00:46:08.159 --> 00:46:11.840
<v Speaker 2>hit him. Okay, his body created a loud thump and

813
00:46:12.000 --> 00:46:14.840
<v Speaker 2>it rolled unto the hood and up the windshield. Michael

814
00:46:15.079 --> 00:46:18.360
<v Speaker 2>wasn't moving on the ground now Hers. She went up

815
00:46:18.360 --> 00:46:20.960
<v Speaker 2>the hill to come back and give him a second go,

816
00:46:21.800 --> 00:46:24.039
<v Speaker 2>But when he came around the corner, there was a

817
00:46:24.119 --> 00:46:26.320
<v Speaker 2>car stopped at Michael's body.

818
00:46:26.760 --> 00:46:28.199
<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, her.

819
00:46:28.280 --> 00:46:31.840
<v Speaker 2>She picked up Red and tough Tony and continued back

820
00:46:31.920 --> 00:46:34.800
<v Speaker 2>to the speakeasy to regroup. So they're not sure. They

821
00:46:34.840 --> 00:46:37.159
<v Speaker 2>they're sure, like he's dead. They're positive he's dead. But

822
00:46:37.199 --> 00:46:39.880
<v Speaker 2>they haven't chucked. Yeah, and they're sure, like the next

823
00:46:39.960 --> 00:46:41.679
<v Speaker 2>day they're going to read all about this body that

824
00:46:41.760 --> 00:46:44.280
<v Speaker 2>was found on the road. But the next day there's

825
00:46:44.320 --> 00:46:48.360
<v Speaker 2>no article in the newspaper, nothing, nothing mentioned of this incident.

826
00:46:48.719 --> 00:46:51.360
<v Speaker 2>So they're thinking, like, how did did he survive? It

827
00:46:51.559 --> 00:46:55.639
<v Speaker 2>happened he was hit at fifty miles an hour, living

828
00:46:55.639 --> 00:46:58.639
<v Speaker 2>at Like, how the fuck did he survive this? Everyone

829
00:46:58.800 --> 00:47:02.400
<v Speaker 2>had seen him fly into the air basically, so where

830
00:47:02.519 --> 00:47:05.440
<v Speaker 2>was he? They couldn't collect the insurance money without proof

831
00:47:05.440 --> 00:47:08.119
<v Speaker 2>of a body, Yeah, So they decided to wait for

832
00:47:08.159 --> 00:47:10.320
<v Speaker 2>a couple of days and if he was alive, you know,

833
00:47:10.360 --> 00:47:11.519
<v Speaker 2>they figured he'd come back.

834
00:47:11.679 --> 00:47:12.920
<v Speaker 3>Oh, he'd pop in right.

835
00:47:13.360 --> 00:47:17.239
<v Speaker 2>But Tony wasn't satisfied. Nobody meant no insurance money. They

836
00:47:17.280 --> 00:47:21.079
<v Speaker 2>needed a body, So less than a week after the attempt,

837
00:47:21.400 --> 00:47:24.519
<v Speaker 2>Tony sent everyone on a quest for a substitute victim.

838
00:47:24.880 --> 00:47:28.280
<v Speaker 2>The victim needed to look like Michael so they could

839
00:47:28.280 --> 00:47:32.079
<v Speaker 2>put Nicholas Mellory's ID in his pocket to identify him.

840
00:47:33.079 --> 00:47:35.960
<v Speaker 2>On February sixth, her she took his cab out to

841
00:47:36.079 --> 00:47:39.840
<v Speaker 2>hunt for the five foot six, one hundred and eighty

842
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<v Speaker 2>pound substitute victim, and the speakeases of Harlem with Tony, Joe,

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<v Speaker 2>tough Tony and Rhett. They're hunting for a victim. Joseph

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<v Speaker 2>Patrick Murray was a thirty one year old unemployed plasterer's assistant.

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<v Speaker 2>He'd spent the beginning of February sixth looking for work,

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<v Speaker 2>but had gotten quite thirsty and decided to stop at

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<v Speaker 2>the speakeasy on the first floor of his apartment building

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<v Speaker 2>for a few drinks. On his way out the door,

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<v Speaker 2>he was approached on the sidewalk by tough Tony, who

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<v Speaker 2>offered him a job. After accepting, they ushered him into

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<v Speaker 2>Hershey's cab and took him back to Marina's. Tony was

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<v Speaker 2>aghast at the resemblance between Michael and the new victim,

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<v Speaker 2>and he poured drink after drink, waiting for the man

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<v Speaker 2>to lose consciousness. Once he landed in a crumpled heap

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<v Speaker 2>on the floor, they put Nicholas Mellory's ID in his

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<v Speaker 2>pocket and piled him into Hershey's cab with everyone else.

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<v Speaker 2>Like they all went and midnight, tough Tony and Red

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<v Speaker 2>were holding Joseph Murray up the same way they had

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<v Speaker 2>held up Michael, and Hershey was aiming the cab right

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<v Speaker 2>at him. It took seconds for Joseph Murray to end

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<v Speaker 2>up under the wheels with a shocking thumb and crutch.

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<v Speaker 2>Just after the cab pulled to a stop to check

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<v Speaker 2>the vitals on their new victim, someone shouted that a

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<v Speaker 2>car was coming, so Tough, Tony and Red piled back

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<v Speaker 2>in the cab and they headed back to the speakeasy,

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<v Speaker 2>abandoning another body. Oh my gosh, And this is where

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to end part one.

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<v Speaker 3>What are you Kanya? I know I am.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm fucking hating Tony Tough, Tony fucking Joe right.

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<v Speaker 2>Red, These idiots, idiots, right yeah, Hershey with his fucking cab.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, the fucking Hershey and the cab and then they

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<v Speaker 3>killed that girl. They're just horrible people.

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<v Speaker 4>They are horrible people. And now you're making us weights

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<v Speaker 4>because you're cruel and you're hateful.

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<v Speaker 3>Five. Yeah, I'm kidding.

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<v Speaker 4>That was a This is a fucking excellent story. I

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<v Speaker 4>can't believe you know, you think nineteen thirty When I

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<v Speaker 4>think nineteen thirty. To be honest, I'm always like, what

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<v Speaker 4>am I doing for deodorant? What am I doing for

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<v Speaker 4>sanitary napkins? How's my hygi and I'm thinking that alcoholism

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<v Speaker 4>is rampant. Yeah, the country is poor, they're in the

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<v Speaker 4>depression and there is nothing happening.

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<v Speaker 2>This is like, yeah, there's no jobs, don't job, nothing

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<v Speaker 2>for anyone to do all day but get the exactly

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<v Speaker 2>or commit crimes.

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<v Speaker 4>I guess yes, print fake money and full life insurance policies.

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<v Speaker 3>That's that's the kind of survival.

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<v Speaker 4>World it is apparently in nineteen thirty, really not seeing

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<v Speaker 4>much change one hundred years later.

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<v Speaker 3>But we'll see.

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<v Speaker 2>Everything's just gotten a little bit more difficult.

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<v Speaker 3>It sure has it, Sure has well.

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks you shan't it and are sweet, But I am

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<v Speaker 2>very much looking forward to the don't google it, none

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<v Speaker 2>of you google.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm not. I can't wait, No way, no way.

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<v Speaker 2>very exciting with all of the changes they've been having.

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<v Speaker 2>So thank you Shannon for becoming my co host too.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I love you and I love working with you,

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<v Speaker 4>so love you. It works out great.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so I'm having fun. So until our next episode, everyone.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, take care and we'll see you next time.

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<v Speaker 2>You next time. Bye bye
