Speaker 1: Oh, bed of that, sar.
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Speaker 3: Hello, and welcome to the show. This is the Cult
Speaker 3: of Conspiracy and I am the Cage to night.
Speaker 4: I'm raving.
Speaker 1: And today we bring on.
Speaker 3: One of our bestest homies, one of our most DeVault affiliates.
Speaker 3: You know them, you love them, Josh Monday. Welcome to
Speaker 3: the show.
Speaker 1: Brother, Thank you, bro, thank.
Speaker 5: You, thank you for having me. And it was a
Speaker 5: short notice that to have me on. But I'll do
Speaker 5: like I said, man, I'm down to ite to work
Speaker 5: with you guys anytime. So I appreciate you having me on. Man,
Speaker 5: thank you.
Speaker 3: I appreciate you coming on so early in the morning
Speaker 3: for those that don't know, because y'all are going to
Speaker 3: be listening to this whenever you listen. Right now it
Speaker 3: is seven forty five hour time, five forty five his time,
Speaker 3: and we're like, hey, brother, you freed tomorrow. He's like, y'all,
Speaker 3: y'all feel about the early morning. I mean like, all right,
Speaker 3: we'll make it happen. We are down because we're trying
Speaker 3: to pump out multiple episodes today, three.
Speaker 6: Back to back. Today we are pumping out. So yeah,
Speaker 6: we got a lot of content to shoot today.
Speaker 1: It's a work day.
Speaker 5: Wow.
Speaker 4: Yeah, on a Saturday of holiday.
Speaker 1: It'd be like that.
Speaker 3: But uh but yeah, man, how's everything been going on
Speaker 3: your neck of the woods?
Speaker 5: Been going good? Be going good? Like I said, I
Speaker 5: put a lot more effort into the Bible studies than
Speaker 5: my conspiracy right now show. But it's okay. It's it's
Speaker 5: doing great, and like I said, it's affecting a lot
Speaker 5: of people and hopefully your audience is enjoying it. I
Speaker 5: get to see the comment on there, and I don't
Speaker 5: know the statistics or anything and how many people are watching,
Speaker 5: but I just enjoy breaking down the Bible for people,
Speaker 5: you know, and God kind of basically what he did,
Speaker 5: I think with you know, through you guys, is I
Speaker 5: used to sprinkle the Bible a little bit, and then
Speaker 5: I would do a lot of conspiracy stuff, right, so
Speaker 5: I do conspiracy. I would sprinkle the Bible a little bit,
Speaker 5: and I think people were, you know, we're thinking maybe
Speaker 5: I'm like, so I know the Bible really well, which
Speaker 5: I kind of did, you know, But now it's God
Speaker 5: just wanted me to get serious, looks like, and really
Speaker 5: teach it, you know, and instead of just sprinkling it,
Speaker 5: now I'm doing all Bible and just a little bit
Speaker 5: of conspiracy, you know. And I think that some people
Speaker 5: like that perspective because some of the churches they kind
Speaker 5: of hold back from a lot of conspiratorial stuff and
Speaker 5: maybe hold back on challenging science or challenging uh, you know,
Speaker 5: with the giants and all the different things. So as
Speaker 5: I'm going through the Bible, I'm, uh, it's just coming
Speaker 5: to live for me. So I think it's amazing, and
Speaker 5: the people are kind of right along there with me,
Speaker 5: and I am reading stuff. I'll say, I mean, honestly,
Speaker 5: Jacob and Raven that there's some things I read where
Speaker 5: I'm surprised myself. You know, It's like I must have
Speaker 5: just glazed through it before. But when I'm reading it
Speaker 5: like this, you know, you know, three chapters at a
Speaker 5: time and breaking it down, I'm reading stuff that's like
Speaker 5: literally surprising me. You know, I'm just like, wow, I
Speaker 5: don't even know this is in it, and it's you know,
Speaker 5: you know how it is.
Speaker 3: Probably Oh, I've been doing this show and honestly, just
Speaker 3: having people combat me on my views has forced me
Speaker 3: to be stronger in my faith because now I can't just,
Speaker 3: for instance, the whole statement of like the lion will
Speaker 3: sleep with the lamb. That's not what's said. It's about
Speaker 3: the wolf will sleep with the lamb. And it's like, wait,
Speaker 3: why have I heard the other way before? Where's that from?
Speaker 3: Let me do some more digging into this. It almost
Speaker 3: forces you to do the research for the show, but
Speaker 3: then you also get what you're trying to get out
Speaker 3: of it as well.
Speaker 1: So I absolutely hear what you're.
Speaker 3: Saying on that. And the people have ever been responding
Speaker 3: very positively. I don't think there's I don't actually think
Speaker 3: we've ever had one negative comment towards Josh Monday honestly.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, there was one one negative comment that I read,
Speaker 5: and it was I think it's just one of the
Speaker 5: guys that kind of come on to your show and
Speaker 5: I tries to come on and comment bat all the time,
Speaker 5: one of.
Speaker 1: Our prolific haters.
Speaker 4: Yeah, sties, but.
Speaker 5: There's a guy. There's a guy on there's a guy
Speaker 5: he's probably gonna listen to this show. He listens to
Speaker 5: your show. He always comments on Apple, Uh mister or something.
Speaker 3: I don't know, Oh, mister hell j Yeah, that's our
Speaker 3: that's our longtime hater and uh for a while.
Speaker 5: Which is this comment all the time on Apple every
Speaker 5: like every two weeks.
Speaker 1: He tries to keep it up at the top.
Speaker 3: And I remember at one time he said some very
Speaker 3: generous things and then immediately went back on it. And
Speaker 3: we didn't know what his deal was because he was
Speaker 3: having like he would say things that would make it
Speaker 3: seem like he had insider information into us. I thought
Speaker 3: maybe he was a hacker or something like that. Come
Speaker 3: to find out, no, we knew what his source was.
Speaker 3: And then I had buddies of mine in the government
Speaker 3: do some digging into him because I didn't know. Honestly,
Speaker 3: I'm thinking, like, yo, is this guy like a psycho
Speaker 3: or something.
Speaker 1: He's not. He's a very sad, sad, lonely guy.
Speaker 3: And I felt bad once I have my people start
Speaker 3: doing digging into him, like this is all he has
Speaker 3: is shitting on podcasts like that. He doesn't have a
Speaker 3: lot going for him. It's like, okay, you know what,
Speaker 3: let him, let him talk his shit, he'll be fine.
Speaker 3: And then when you realize the haters on Spotify doing
Speaker 3: the same thing, it's like they're all feeding the algorithm.
Speaker 3: And you notice these same haters never miss an episode,
Speaker 3: and it's like, fine, you know what cool good for y'all.
Speaker 5: Yeah, like I said, bad, what do they say? All?
Speaker 1: There's no such thing as bad publicity.
Speaker 5: There you go, publicity, that's what you know. So I
Speaker 5: do notice it, and I do read your guys' comments too,
Speaker 5: you know, I'm trying to see what people are saying
Speaker 5: and where they're leaning towards. And yeah. So yeah, it's
Speaker 5: like I said, it's a blessing, you know, and it's
Speaker 5: a blessing for the for the viewers to comment. So
Speaker 5: make sure you guys are commenting on the show. It's
Speaker 5: really it assists the show. And I see sometimes you
Speaker 5: guys get like twenty five comments sometimes, which is amazing.
Speaker 3: And man, yeah, even if most of those are from
Speaker 3: the same guy who's just commenting multiple times, it's fine.
Speaker 3: It's fine. You're still helping, so appreciate it for sure.
Speaker 5: So it's been a heck of a year. Man. I
Speaker 5: think I'm on episode sixty nine. I just recorded of
Speaker 5: Sunday service and then Wednesday service. I think we're in
Speaker 5: the forties or something. I can't remember which one it is,
Speaker 5: but very good. Time is flying by it bro, Like
Speaker 5: I was trying to, I think I text message you
Speaker 5: one day, and then we ended up talking on the
Speaker 5: phone and I was telling you, yeah, I'm on fifty
Speaker 5: two actually on Wednesday service. So I remember back when
Speaker 5: we first talked, you know, just to do Sunday service,
Speaker 5: which was amazing, you know, and time has flew by
Speaker 5: so much since then, you know, sixty nine episodes have
Speaker 5: already gone by, and it's just it's amazing, you know.
Speaker 5: I haven't really missed any well, I haven't missed any
Speaker 5: I have released like maybe a few of my shows
Speaker 5: when I was on when I was on vacation, I
Speaker 5: just kind of released a few that were two hours long,
Speaker 5: you know, and the people were like commenting, like, where's
Speaker 5: the Bible studies? So I knew. I was like, oh man,
Speaker 5: I got to keep the Bible studies rolling. So I
Speaker 5: try to do is if I'm going to be gone,
Speaker 5: I try to, you know, just record a few of
Speaker 5: them ahead of time so that way I can release
Speaker 5: them and it kind of assists, you.
Speaker 6: Know, Well, that's those studies are a big thing, though.
Speaker 6: They are my mom has. My mom does the the
Speaker 6: yearly Bible Study thing yep, where she does like the breakdown.
Speaker 6: She did like a whole three hundred and sixty five
Speaker 6: days of breakdown with her church, and they did all
Speaker 6: this stuff and they I mean she she's probably read
Speaker 6: the Bible, honestly, and just in the last like ten years,
Speaker 6: probably like seven times all the way through it broke
Speaker 6: it down over and over again.
Speaker 1: And that's the thing.
Speaker 3: There's so many different types of Bible studies out there,
Speaker 3: there are so many content creators who are doing that.
Speaker 1: However, what I have learned, it's the same as like
Speaker 1: a JFK episode.
Speaker 3: Just because there's one thousand JFK episodes, we haven't done
Speaker 3: a JFK episode, and the people want to hear our
Speaker 3: take on it. Some of it might echo the same
Speaker 3: as all the others, some of it might be a
Speaker 3: bit nuanced, and those the differences that make the content
Speaker 3: what it is. When Josh Monday is doing his Bible studies, like, yeah,
Speaker 3: you the Bible studies are out there, but Josh Monday's
Speaker 3: hot take on it or the way you break it down,
Speaker 3: the way you related to the people is very independent
Speaker 3: and it's very different, and so people love it, honestly.
Speaker 3: So yeah, no, it's a blessing that you're affiliated with
Speaker 3: the show in the first place, let alone doing it
Speaker 3: as hardcore as you are.
Speaker 1: Brother.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's all glory to God, you know. So, and
Speaker 5: it is two hour Bible studies, so that is that's
Speaker 5: the part that I'm like I used to I used
Speaker 5: to think, like, man, how's people going to sit there
Speaker 5: and listen to two hours with me doing a Bible study?
Speaker 5: And it's been working out so and two hours goes
Speaker 5: by fast, and I thought like, man, two hours. Usually
Speaker 5: the pastors only do one hour, you know, so how
Speaker 5: am I going to break down two hours? But it's
Speaker 5: been working out. So it's been a blessing for sure.
Speaker 1: And you're also a pastor, you know.
Speaker 5: No, I'm not a pastor, Nope, I'm just a regular guy.
Speaker 5: I thought you love the Bible.
Speaker 3: That show thought she was a pastor at your church
Speaker 3: or maybe like an affiliate pastor or something like that.
Speaker 1: But okay, yeah, that'd be awesome.
Speaker 5: I honestly now I feel like I could do it,
Speaker 5: you know. And if I'm doing a one hour Bible
Speaker 5: study on stage, I'd be like, that's no problem. You know,
Speaker 5: I'm doing two here, so yeah, it'd be actually easier.
Speaker 5: So but yeah, thank you for your Thank you guys
Speaker 5: for your service to both you guys and marine vets.
Speaker 5: I was. I was a National Guard, so I deployed
Speaker 5: as well. And what a blessing?
Speaker 1: Where'd you deploy to?
Speaker 5: I went to Kuwait. I was feeling helicopters. So I
Speaker 5: was a ninety two Whiskey ninety two Fox. The ninet
Speaker 5: two Whiskey is a water chiatment operator and the ninety
Speaker 5: two Fox is a fueler. So I did aviation fuel.
Speaker 1: So okay, Well you went from water to fuel.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I did, because those moss actually are are they
Speaker 5: work hand in hand? Because you know, you're opening valves,
Speaker 5: turning valves. You have to sample the fuel, just like
Speaker 5: you have to sample water.
Speaker 1: Gotcha? Okay?
Speaker 5: Well together? Oh really awesome? Yeah, awesome. Let's go.
Speaker 1: So you are in Cali, correct?
Speaker 5: Yeah? So southern California?
Speaker 3: Okay, And how's everything in that neck of the woods, brother,
Speaker 3: Because man, depending on the week, it seems like CALLI
Speaker 3: might be calming down.
Speaker 1: Then it's like never mind, Newsome's on one again. Here
Speaker 1: we go.
Speaker 5: Yeah. So politically, I'm honestly, I'm I've studied so many
Speaker 5: conspiracies that I just know that they're just gonna do
Speaker 5: their thing, you know what I mean, I'm just all
Speaker 5: I'm gonna do is stand strong in the Lord and
Speaker 5: do my best to uh to spread the Gospel. And
Speaker 5: I and I just you know, I see the things
Speaker 5: that are going on. I see the agendas, and we
Speaker 5: could read it, you know, and uh, it's kind of
Speaker 5: like a light version of modern day Sodomgamora Basy, you know,
Speaker 5: without some of theselfs. Yeah, it's kind of just it's crazy, man,
Speaker 5: the the agendas that are happening. We can kind of
Speaker 5: see them from a mile away though, and and it
Speaker 5: is what it is. And it's like as we get
Speaker 5: closer to the end times, which I don't you know,
Speaker 5: a lot of people say we're in Satan's little season
Speaker 5: all that stuff, but I don't believe that at the moment.
Speaker 5: But as we get closer to the end times, I
Speaker 5: think that we're going to see the birth pains getting stronger,
Speaker 5: and there's going to be more and more, uh things
Speaker 5: that are going to surprise us. But what it shouldn't though,
Speaker 5: because the Bible says it's not going to get better,
Speaker 5: It's gonna get worse, you know, for us.
Speaker 1: So yeah, no doubt, and I agree.
Speaker 3: I've I've had multiple people say that we're in Satan's
Speaker 3: little season, and I don't I'm not shitting on these people, respectfully,
Speaker 3: I disagree because certain signs have not come to pass,
Speaker 3: and then certain signs that they say have obviously passed.
Speaker 3: It's like you got to you gotta really squint and
Speaker 3: turn your head to the side to see it that way.
Speaker 1: But like, okay, everybody's got their take.
Speaker 3: Now let me ask you earlier that we are now
Speaker 3: in twenty twenty six, so let me make sure I
Speaker 3: clarify this September of twenty twenty five, there was this
Speaker 3: big thing that was going on in the socials to
Speaker 3: say that we were about to experience the rapture because
Speaker 3: TikTok said, so what did you see on your end
Speaker 3: as far as that was concerned.
Speaker 5: Yeah, people were saying that, Yeah, I see that. But
Speaker 5: there's been a lot of that, you know, like throughout
Speaker 5: at the times you're gonna see. There was even an
Speaker 5: author that said he wrote a book for twenty twelve,
Speaker 5: and then he wrote another book for twenty thirteen, and
Speaker 5: I think people were just we never know the day
Speaker 5: in the day of the hour, and we don't even
Speaker 5: know if there's going to be a rapture period. You know,
Speaker 5: I think that there is a rapture, but I think
Speaker 5: it's going to be It's either going to be like
Speaker 5: a it depends on what your eschatology is. Some people
Speaker 5: are like a seven year tribulation, which was really put
Speaker 5: in popular mainstream churches, you know, where they say there's
Speaker 5: going to be a rapture before that that tribulation starts.
Speaker 5: Some people say there's gonna be you know, it's gonna
Speaker 5: be after the three and a half years of peace,
Speaker 5: which is like the mid basically the mid rapture point
Speaker 5: of view. So other people would say that it's gonna
Speaker 5: be post and then other people say that's just when
Speaker 5: Jesus comes back. That's when we get raptured up and
Speaker 5: caught up, you know. So there's a there's a lot
Speaker 5: of different interpretations of that. So depending on what your
Speaker 5: eschatology is is where you would kind of stand. The
Speaker 5: people that are like all millennial and stuff like that,
Speaker 5: they won't even think there's gonna be a rapture, so
Speaker 5: that probably didn't even bother them. There's just a lot
Speaker 5: of people, I think, waiting for the rapture next, you know,
Speaker 5: But I don't see that the rapture. I used to
Speaker 5: believe in. I used to believe in seven year tribulation
Speaker 5: and everything. But you know, when you have podcasts like this,
Speaker 5: it's hard because I've had so many guests that come
Speaker 5: on and they just change my escatology, you know, because
Speaker 5: they're just like there, I didn't even know those a
Speaker 5: different eschatologies. I used to go. I went to Calbrey
Speaker 5: Chapel before, right, and then I would just I would
Speaker 5: just think that there was gonna be a sevenyar tribulation.
Speaker 5: That's what my mindset was, and that Israel is the
Speaker 5: you know that that's the Israel that's there right now.
Speaker 5: And then you get into conspiracies and have people on
Speaker 5: your show where they just now it's hard for me
Speaker 5: to kind of Once I do Revelation and I do
Speaker 5: the Book of Daniel on your show, I think, you know,
Speaker 5: quote the conspiracy, then I'm gonna have a better idea
Speaker 5: of where we're at. Where I'm just actually breaking it
Speaker 5: down like three verse, three chapters at a time, and
Speaker 5: they don't have a better idea right now. My eschatology
Speaker 5: is all over the place, you know, bro, Good luck.
Speaker 6: That shit scared me as a child because I grew
Speaker 6: up in the church and left when I was sixteen,
Speaker 6: and that shit, I hated revelations.
Speaker 4: I never have enjoyed that.
Speaker 1: I've always loved it.
Speaker 4: No, I was terrified as a kid with it, and
Speaker 4: I was like, no, I'm good.
Speaker 3: So have you ever heard the name Perry Stone? Perry
Speaker 3: Stone is a pastor who was big, big, big with
Speaker 3: eschatology and just in Time prophecy in general, and in
Speaker 3: the early two thousands he was making his rounds around churches.
Speaker 3: He did many documentaries and books on the subject. He
Speaker 3: came to our church multiple time time to like give
Speaker 3: talks about these things.
Speaker 1: And then of course he came.
Speaker 4: To the South.
Speaker 6: Yes, we have literally a church on every freaking corner
Speaker 6: down here, like between the churches, the car washes, the
Speaker 6: dollar General or the dollar trees, hey and go down,
Speaker 6: and the gas stations. Like I've never been to any
Speaker 6: place in the in the country that has this many
Speaker 6: of the same things on every flipping corner. Like if
Speaker 6: you don't hit ten churches in a one mile radius,
Speaker 6: I don't know what.
Speaker 1: You're talking about, but you notice they're all different denominations.
Speaker 4: My god, it's so ridiculous. Your church is Catholic church.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Mine is like I could probably throw a baseball like
Speaker 3: five times and hit my church. But yeah, but there's
Speaker 3: only like two Catholic churches in our parish, and those
Speaker 3: were like that was the thing. No, no, no, like
Speaker 3: fifty years ago there would have been that many Catholic
Speaker 3: churches on every corner.
Speaker 6: Yeah, there's a lot of churches of all sorts of
Speaker 6: we have. We even have a Mormon church down the
Speaker 6: street too.
Speaker 1: We have two.
Speaker 3: Oh, we have one of Gonzalez and one by us,
Speaker 3: which is I didn't realize that the Mountain Jews are
Speaker 3: gaining traction in this area, but here we are, and
Speaker 3: you know they're they're God bless them.
Speaker 6: We have a lot of things, temples, Buddhist temples.
Speaker 1: I didn't know we have one Buddhist temple in a lot.
Speaker 6: We have a lot of different types of I'm trying
Speaker 6: to like think we do have churches. We have a
Speaker 6: lot of different types of churches, but nowhere near the
Speaker 6: mount that this place has.
Speaker 3: Well, like my organ's a big melting pot of so
Speaker 3: many different things. You got the people from Asia that
Speaker 3: made their way to America and some of them went north.
Speaker 3: You have all of the Oregon Trail and the manifest
Speaker 3: Destiny people that came from all over the world, so
Speaker 3: pretty much the specific Northwest.
Speaker 6: We have a lot of jo Jehovah witnesses. Oh the
Speaker 6: speaking of the Jehovah's shitting on them. I'm just saying, well, they.
Speaker 3: They are on their in time prophecy number six. I
Speaker 3: think because they keep saying that the rat's gonna happen,
Speaker 3: and they've been proven wrong every time, I think they're
Speaker 3: right now on their sixth date.
Speaker 6: I mean, I feel like everybody has a different interpretation
Speaker 6: when the rapture will happen, even though there's different versions,
Speaker 6: until you just start talking about it.
Speaker 4: I was like, but my mom has done a time.
Speaker 6: She did like a three month thing breaking down revelations,
Speaker 6: and I was like, She's like, you should hear about this.
Speaker 4: I was like, I'm good. I'm like, no, I got
Speaker 4: terrified as a kid. I'm good.
Speaker 5: Well, it's good to. It's good to and you know,
Speaker 5: kind of prepared to know, you know, it said depending like,
Speaker 5: there's just when you when you start breaking stuff down
Speaker 5: with a lot of different people, Like I said, there's
Speaker 5: just a lot of different views on this, you know,
Speaker 5: and different interpretations. So I think the best way to
Speaker 5: do it is to to read it yourself, you know,
Speaker 5: like I said, three chapters at a time, kind of
Speaker 5: breaking everything down and then try to like take all
Speaker 5: your preconceived biases and put them to the side, and
Speaker 5: then just read it yourself and see what God shows you. You know.
Speaker 5: I think that's the best way to do it because
Speaker 5: a lot of a lot of times you have your
Speaker 5: pasture kind of leading you in a certain direction. Yeah,
Speaker 5: and what we don't what we don't understand is that
Speaker 5: there's a border of directors above him that have always
Speaker 5: had a certain eschatology that they want taught. So then
Speaker 5: there's like a lane that they have to stand, you know,
Speaker 5: Like let's say it's that seven year tribulation. Israel became
Speaker 5: a nation again, you know, in nineteen forty eight, and
Speaker 5: they became a capital nineteen sixty eight in Jerusalem. So
Speaker 5: then they basically say that Israel, you know, they focus
Speaker 5: on Israel having like a different dispensation, meaning that they
Speaker 5: that God is gonna has a different dispensation for them.
Speaker 5: You know that they're they're going to be saved still,
Speaker 5: but even if they don't. But the thing is, you know,
Speaker 5: the Bible is very clear that if you don't believe
Speaker 5: in Jesus, that's saved. Right, That's right, That's what the
Speaker 5: New Testament speaks on. So it's like I said, it's
Speaker 5: just some of the pastors. I think they have to
Speaker 5: stay in a certain lane. And that's the cool thing
Speaker 5: about being a podcaster is you can kind of you
Speaker 5: don't have anybody tell you anything.
Speaker 3: You know, you have no lines on your lanes. Brother,
Speaker 3: you could swerve all over.
Speaker 5: The road, especially on this show. Oh yeah, I can
Speaker 5: go all over the place. So it's a blessing, you know.
Speaker 5: And I think that's people like that raw cut, you know,
Speaker 5: Bible study, compared to someone that has somebody kind of
Speaker 5: trying to make them strict in a certain lane. You know.
Speaker 5: That's that's what I think. That's why Biblical cosmology and
Speaker 5: you know that the giants and certain things that pastors
Speaker 5: kind of stay away from talking about. They don't like
Speaker 5: the challenge science. But on the on this show particularly
Speaker 5: and also my show, I can I can go, like
Speaker 5: I said, wherever I'd like to go. So I like it.
Speaker 5: It's a blessing.
Speaker 3: And the other thing is it it and me and
Speaker 3: you have even we've debated the flat earth narrative for
Speaker 3: the record, right, and there's so many Christians that would
Speaker 3: debate the giant narrative and they they are Christians, but
Speaker 3: they just don't believe the giants happened. I even personally
Speaker 3: know Christians that don't believe Noah's flood actually happened.
Speaker 1: That it's one of those kind of myths that got
Speaker 1: debated people on it, right.
Speaker 3: And and maybe it was a localized flood, maybe it
Speaker 3: wasn't the whole world. It's you know, yeah.
Speaker 6: That's a weird concept that I mean, even but the
Speaker 6: flood has been like storied around everybody, Like it's not
Speaker 6: just Christians that talk about the flood.
Speaker 3: True, but the timelines are always different. So if you
Speaker 3: look at because Moses is the one that wrote down
Speaker 3: the first five books, right the Torah the Good where
Speaker 3: they talk about it, and he wasn't alive for the flood.
Speaker 3: It happened thousand years before him, and so it's and
Speaker 3: that's what used to be passed down in oral tradition
Speaker 3: before they actually wrote it down. So like how far
Speaker 3: back does that oral tradition go? Some people believe the
Speaker 3: earth is only six thousand years old. Some people believe
Speaker 3: the earth is only twenty thousand years old, and then
Speaker 3: there's some that believe it's billions of years old. And
Speaker 3: it's like, at what point did the myth become or
Speaker 3: the truth become legend, the legend become lord, the lord
Speaker 3: became myth and that got Wroten down. So like there's
Speaker 3: there's tons of interpretations to this kind of thing.
Speaker 6: And like the Bible is full of everybody writing down stories.
Speaker 3: Yes, but then there's a lot of historical fact checks
Speaker 3: that could be done for pretty much all of it.
Speaker 3: But especially when you get to the earlier books, like
Speaker 3: specifically Genesis, so many of these things don't have time
Speaker 3: stamps that you're able to see like, oh, in this country,
Speaker 3: this dude was like okay, Babylon, everybody. When we're talking
Speaker 3: about like Nebekinezer in the Book of Daniel, we have
Speaker 3: of actual fact checked historical documentation to say he ruled
Speaker 3: from this year to this year. And so whenever you
Speaker 3: look at some of the things that are said in
Speaker 3: the Bible and you look at things that happen during
Speaker 3: Nebucannezer's reign, they line up ancient Egypt. The same thing
Speaker 3: in the Book of Exodus. Genesis, on the other hand,
Speaker 3: has no time stamps that we can really really work
Speaker 3: off of to a point. So it's like I used
Speaker 3: to say, one way or another, But the point I
Speaker 3: was trying to make is none of that is a
Speaker 3: salvation issue, right, and so it's not saying that the
Speaker 3: earth is six thousand years old or six million years old.
Speaker 3: None of that takes away from the story of Jesus.
Speaker 3: And so it's fun to debate this. It's fun to
Speaker 3: have these kind of intellectual conversations. Some people act like
Speaker 3: you just kicked their dog whenever you go against a
Speaker 3: belief of theirs. Same thing with the rapture, right, some people,
Speaker 3: if you believe the raptures are going to happen before
Speaker 3: the seven year trial and tribulation, some people look at
Speaker 3: you like you are crazy. Meanwhile, the other half of them, like,
Speaker 3: you said the people that things happening in three and
Speaker 3: a half hours, I thought it was before.
Speaker 6: Well, I thought that people were getting raptured and the
Speaker 6: rest of us were screwed for like seven years.
Speaker 3: That is what a lot of mainstream narratives will tell
Speaker 3: you in America, And I would argue that's probably the
Speaker 3: most going narrative around the world. And the reason why
Speaker 3: is because the theory is that God will take his
Speaker 3: people up and then pretty much let the Heathens just
Speaker 3: eat themselves alive for seven years.
Speaker 1: And it's a whole thing.
Speaker 3: Why would God allow his people to be there for
Speaker 3: the trials and tribulations all of this, And it's like,
Speaker 3: y'all understand, God let his people be enslaved multiple times
Speaker 3: throughout history. So like, who's to say one way or another?
Speaker 3: And it depends on how you interpret it and how
Speaker 3: you break it down. When I was doing Prophecy Playbook,
Speaker 3: which I always put out a couple of episodes about
Speaker 3: it because I realized really quickly, I started off with
Speaker 3: the Ezekiel thirty eight and thirty nine war, right, and
Speaker 3: I thought that'd be a pretty safe spot to start
Speaker 3: because they talk about what tribes will come and attack
Speaker 3: Israel at the same time, and you can look at
Speaker 3: who these tribes are today. I thought it wasn't even
Speaker 3: gonna be Jacob's hot take. It was gonna be very quick,
Speaker 3: very e man. I realized very quickly that first of all,
Speaker 3: I am not in a position to speak with intelligence
Speaker 3: on this. Secondly, there's like three of those countries that
Speaker 3: we honestly don't know where these tribes settle to after
Speaker 3: the fact.
Speaker 1: We know what they used to be, we have no
Speaker 1: idea what they are now.
Speaker 3: And it's like, I don't want to leave people astray,
Speaker 3: and I don't want to make people start all of
Speaker 3: a sudden having side eye glances towards Nigeria when that's
Speaker 3: not even the spot. And it's like, you see what
Speaker 3: I'm saying. It's so I shut that one down. It's like,
Speaker 3: you know what, I'm going to get back into that
Speaker 3: one day when I have more time to dive into
Speaker 3: the Word and look at the prophecies a little bit more.
Speaker 1: And so for you to say that you're going into
Speaker 1: Daniel and revelationships.
Speaker 5: I'm trying to go through the whole entire Bible. So
Speaker 5: once I get there, I think it's but like with
Speaker 5: the Book of Genesis, for me, the way I look
Speaker 5: at it is, you know, and in numbers twelve versus
Speaker 5: fourth three, it talks about Moses speaking to God face
Speaker 5: to face. That's what God says to Aaron and Merriam.
Speaker 5: He basically takes them Aaron and Mariam. We are kind
Speaker 5: of getting jealous, like who's Moses, because that's that's Moses,
Speaker 5: is their brother, right, So they're like, why do you
Speaker 5: speak to Moses the way you do? And he says, well,
Speaker 5: I speak the prophets and visions and dreams, but with Moses,
Speaker 5: I speak to him face to face. That's what it says.
Speaker 5: In the New King James, it says mouth to mouth
Speaker 5: and the King James. So that's why I take the
Speaker 5: Book of Genesis literal and the way that I do.
Speaker 5: I take it serious, you know, because I believe it's
Speaker 5: a first hand account from God. How else can how
Speaker 5: else is Moses going to know what Adam said to Eve.
Speaker 5: Eve said to the serpent, the serpent said to God.
Speaker 5: How's he going to know what Abraham Abraham said? How's
Speaker 5: he going to know what Jacob said, how Isaac said,
Speaker 5: what Rachel said? How would he know these personal stories
Speaker 5: if he didn't get a first hand account from God,
Speaker 5: who is obviously around during these times and also was
Speaker 5: involved in all these situations. So when it comes to
Speaker 5: the Book of Genesis, for me personally, I take it
Speaker 5: as a first hand account from the most high. So
Speaker 5: I take it very serious, you know. And as far
Speaker 5: as like oral traditions and stuff. But I can understand,
Speaker 5: you know, it's just people have different takes. Like you said,
Speaker 5: some people believe in in you know, theistic evolution or
Speaker 5: something where they have to take science and just they learn,
Speaker 5: you know, like when you go through college or you
Speaker 5: go through let's say you go through regular elementary school
Speaker 5: all the way through college. What happens is there's there's
Speaker 5: block walls I believe, being built between you and then
Speaker 5: the Book of Genesis, and what happens is you kind
Speaker 5: of have to compromise a little bit. You start reading
Speaker 5: the Bible and you're like, I believe in evolution, so
Speaker 5: I got to compromise a little bit here, and and uh,
Speaker 5: I believe in you know, billions and billions of years,
Speaker 5: so I have to compromise a little bit here. So
Speaker 5: I think that's what happens. But like I said, I
Speaker 5: respect everybody's opinion, and I respect anybody's take because I'm
Speaker 5: not a genius and i'm and God is not just
Speaker 5: feeding me only you know, eating everybody. So I can't
Speaker 5: just say that my take is the best take. But
Speaker 5: what I do do is I take everything that I
Speaker 5: read seriously and I try to make sure just like you,
Speaker 5: you know, you read a Zekie when you're like you
Speaker 5: kind of start feeling like you're you're you're sinking. You're like,
Speaker 5: oh my god, there's so much information and I and
Speaker 5: you have to make sure. That's the thing that's hard
Speaker 5: about this, Jacob, as you said and Raven is is uh,
Speaker 5: you're like, this is a serious take. I don't want
Speaker 5: to lead anybody into the wrong scenarios. So what I
Speaker 5: try to do my best if I can, is try
Speaker 5: to teach the different ways that people believe this scenario
Speaker 5: that I'm teaching whatever wherever I'm at, so that way,
Speaker 5: I'm not just leading people into one direction. You know. Yeah,
Speaker 5: And I think Jacob, when you was probably reading Ezekiel,
Speaker 5: You're like, it's a lot.
Speaker 1: Right, it is.
Speaker 3: And I mean, I'm not even saying that my show
Speaker 3: talking about that war in particular was going to lead
Speaker 3: people astray. But at the same time, I realized that
Speaker 3: this is going to start a chain of events and
Speaker 3: I'm going to start diving into other biblical stories.
Speaker 1: I'm going to start diving into other things.
Speaker 3: I need to be way more well read and more
Speaker 3: educated on these topics, just on myself, not getting other
Speaker 3: people's hot takes, but just I need to have my
Speaker 3: time with the word before I start trying to present
Speaker 3: it to other people.
Speaker 1: And so I was like, Yeah, we're gonna We're gonna.
Speaker 3: Sholve prophecy playbook for now and perhaps in the future
Speaker 3: we will do it. That was I want to say,
Speaker 3: that was the first time that the Cult of Conspiracy
Speaker 3: tried having like side show. I think that was even
Speaker 3: before Jonathan started Meta Mystery.
Speaker 4: It was.
Speaker 6: It was, Yeah, it's the first side show. But I
Speaker 6: have a question for you, Josh, how old do you
Speaker 6: think that Earth? How old do you think the Earth is?
Speaker 5: If you believe I'm a I'm a younger creationist. I
Speaker 5: believe that that it's a I would say, uh, anywhere
Speaker 5: between six thousand and sixty six hundred years, That's.
Speaker 3: What I believe, Like not just written history, were talking
Speaker 3: about the actual Earth itself, the Earth.
Speaker 6: Itself, because if he goes off of Genesis, it wouldn't
Speaker 6: make any sense. Well, I mean not necessarily, Genesis is
Speaker 6: young in creation verse, how old things particularly are here
Speaker 6: if you believe in science.
Speaker 5: Here's here's one way that that some people would put it.
Speaker 5: Some people would put it like Adam, like wasn't born
Speaker 5: as a baby, right, So it's not like God made
Speaker 5: Adam a baby and then God was you know, breastfeeding
Speaker 5: him and doing all this stuff to make him. He
Speaker 5: basically created him. So what other what other people would
Speaker 5: say is the first six days of Genesis is actually
Speaker 5: periods of time and their ages. That's what they would say, right.
Speaker 5: But my whole thing is, how can you have plants
Speaker 5: and vegetation on day three and and then you have
Speaker 5: the moon, sun and stars created on day four? How
Speaker 5: are those plants of vegetation able to live? Also there's like, uh,
Speaker 5: you know, animals that are created on day five, and
Speaker 5: and there's also insects that were created on certain like
Speaker 5: it's just like certain things had to fit for me.
Speaker 6: Uh.
Speaker 5: And it actually says it in Exodus that God created
Speaker 5: it in six literal days, right. It also says like
Speaker 5: it also says in Genesis that you know, it was
Speaker 5: the evening and day were the first day. And I
Speaker 5: do believe that there's six literal days of creation. But
Speaker 5: like I said, there's what happens is some people get
Speaker 5: well educated, you know, and they get their PhD. And
Speaker 5: and then they learned that scientific side and then then
Speaker 5: not saying that they're compromising or doing anything wrong. It's
Speaker 5: just what they do is they kind of open up
Speaker 5: their horizons a little bit more. But where for me,
Speaker 5: I'm not coming from like a scientific background right where
Speaker 5: I've kind of been in a biology class and all
Speaker 5: these different things. So I just kind of stick strictly
Speaker 5: to the Bible, what the Bible says, and I have
Speaker 5: no problem with that. And then I could biblically come
Speaker 5: up with answers of why I believe that Earth is
Speaker 5: this way. But there's there's people that come up with
Speaker 5: scientific answers. So it's just a different way of looking
Speaker 5: at it. But I do respect people's view and I
Speaker 5: have debated people on, you know, biblical cosmology. I've debated
Speaker 5: people on also the flood because the flood. The people
Speaker 5: that are getting more scientific and they start, you know,
Speaker 5: they start, they got their PhD, their doctions, they want
Speaker 5: to be able to be in those circles as well, right,
Speaker 5: So they don't want to just be like if they
Speaker 5: say that's a young Earth, automatically that someone that's a
Speaker 5: scientific is going to be like, oh, this guy's you know,
Speaker 5: they would say probably put him in a category of
Speaker 5: not being intelligent or not being smart, you know, because
Speaker 5: how could you say something like that. But for me,
Speaker 5: I just stick to what the Bible says, because when
Speaker 5: I you know, when I go end up going to
Speaker 5: heaven and God is talking to me, I want him
Speaker 5: to be like, I don't think he's going to be like, hey,
Speaker 5: I can't believe you said the earth is sixty six
Speaker 5: hundred years old, because I would say, well, Lord, you
Speaker 5: know the Bible says this, you know, And that's the
Speaker 5: way I want to be held accountable. I don't want
Speaker 5: to say like, oh, well man told me, so I'm
Speaker 5: gonna believe them over what the Bible says. So I
Speaker 5: had to compromise in this area. So I just strictly
Speaker 5: stick with what the Bible says, and I believe, you know,
Speaker 5: I'm when I do something, you know, I'm one hundred
Speaker 5: and fifty or nothing, you know. So that's just the
Speaker 5: way I am.
Speaker 1: So I get that.
Speaker 3: But again, and not trying to push back on you
Speaker 3: on here, but I also think that when we stand
Speaker 3: before God, I don't think he's actually gonna judge us
Speaker 3: based off of how he interpreted Genesis.
Speaker 5: I don't think.
Speaker 1: So that's the thing. It's not a salvation issue.
Speaker 3: So if anything, I can't wait to get there and
Speaker 3: learn everything because I have so many questions.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I have a lot of questions.
Speaker 5: Bro.
Speaker 1: Now have you heard of Doggarland?
Speaker 5: Doggerland? No?
Speaker 3: Okay, And I'm curious about your take on this because
Speaker 3: Raven Lee was actually on an archaeological dig site in
Speaker 3: Florida at one point in time, and they were finding
Speaker 3: remains of human settlements dating back to like Fucke ten
Speaker 3: thousand BC.
Speaker 4: No, not ten thousand, ten thousand years ago.
Speaker 1: Oh, excuse me, excuse me, Dogarland.
Speaker 3: They have found signs of human civilization dating back to
Speaker 3: twelve thousand BC. And it is basically the land mass
Speaker 3: that connects Sweden and Finland to northern Europe that didn't
Speaker 3: used to be the not the Caspian Sea, let's see
Speaker 3: is that?
Speaker 4: Oh my god?
Speaker 3: But basically before the melting of the Ice Age and
Speaker 3: everything like that, that was a land bridge and there
Speaker 3: was a thriving settlement there. Then cut to the story
Speaker 3: of when the people came from Israel and made their
Speaker 3: way north into Europe, and there was a massive amount
Speaker 3: of human beings that were living in Europe that negates
Speaker 3: what our narrative was as far as the land could
Speaker 3: only support so many people, agriculture was only so advanced
Speaker 3: at the time, whatever, But they had thousands and thousands
Speaker 3: more people living there than what they were expecting. Reason
Speaker 3: being dogger Land, which we don't know what that was
Speaker 3: actually called. It's called that because the type of ship
Speaker 3: that was trawling that area that found like the first harpoon,
Speaker 3: and they found a settlement, it's called a dogger ship.
Speaker 5: So what goes through ice?
Speaker 3: No, no, no, So we're talking about the northernmost part
Speaker 3: of Europe and they only they only trawled this area
Speaker 3: so often, and it's relatively shallow as far as the
Speaker 3: quote unquote see is concerned. Dudes pulled up a harpoon
Speaker 3: made out of some sort of a tusk and they're thinking, oh,
Speaker 3: this is cool. This is all whatever they did testing
Speaker 3: on it and found it was that oldere. So we're
Speaker 3: talking like the younger driest is what set Doggerland underwater.
Speaker 3: There's some argument to say that that might be Atlantis.
Speaker 3: I'm not saying I necessarily agree with that, but it's
Speaker 3: a it's a theory out there, right. But as they
Speaker 3: keep doing more research, they're finding that this settlement was
Speaker 3: thriving somewhere between ten thousand and twelve thousand BC. Now,
Speaker 3: this doesn't, in my opinion, go against biblical narrative because
Speaker 3: I'm very much like yours ten thousand, yeah, and so
Speaker 3: I don't believe that it's.
Speaker 5: Ten thousand BC. Would actually it would be twelve thousand
Speaker 5: or something, right.
Speaker 1: So I mean that's at least of human civilization.
Speaker 6: I mean, Lucy, if you believe in evolution, Lucy is
Speaker 6: three point two million years old.
Speaker 3: The Neanderthal ooh okay, side tangent, I've heard some people
Speaker 3: say that the Neanderthal might be the nephilo Your.
Speaker 4: Thoughts, really, I've heard this the different types.
Speaker 3: Because Lucy is relatively short, but like, how do we
Speaker 3: know that wasn't a midget need like.
Speaker 6: Nephil I in my mind, and the Nephilum are very large.
Speaker 6: They're supposed to be very large individuals, like not because
Speaker 6: Lucy's small, but Lucy's intact. But she's not the only
Speaker 6: one that we have that predates that. I guess that's
Speaker 6: My biggest issue has always been with Genesis is that
Speaker 6: it doesn't make any sense logically to me how it
Speaker 6: lines up with science and like the Earth and everything.
Speaker 4: That we know about it.
Speaker 5: So I think it's on I think it's on purpose.
Speaker 5: And I'm not saying that scientists are going out just saying, hey,
Speaker 5: let's let's say it's three point two billionaires, so that
Speaker 5: way that you know the the Bible's wrong. But uh,
Speaker 5: if you take science with science says just just literally
Speaker 5: just about creation. So science would say that the stars
Speaker 5: came first three point six billion years ago, right. Then
Speaker 5: they would say that the sun came four point six
Speaker 5: billionaires ago. Then they would say that the Earth came
Speaker 5: four point five billionaires ago, right. So automatically they're going
Speaker 5: against the Bible right away, because the Bible says that
Speaker 5: the Earth came first, right, and then it says that
Speaker 5: the moon, sun, and the stars came on day four, right,
Speaker 5: So it's literally inverted compared to what the Bible says.
Speaker 5: So there's a lot of different things that I think
Speaker 5: that are going to go. That's why I said there's
Speaker 5: a lot of block walls. Just like Raven would say, like, well,
Speaker 5: that's three point two millionaires, So that's totally against what
Speaker 5: Genesis says. So obviously science has to be right. Where
Speaker 5: I take the opposite, and what I would say is
Speaker 5: that the Bible is correct, and that the radiometric dating
Speaker 5: and things that you're talking about where you're saying, well,
Speaker 5: it's ten thousand years ago, but then we don't even
Speaker 5: have writing until sixty six hundred years ago or six
Speaker 5: thousand years ago, So it's like, what I take is
Speaker 5: that my take is that the Bible is correct and
Speaker 5: that science is wrong. And I think that there's a
Speaker 5: lot of theories out there. Even radiometric dating is not
Speaker 5: one hundred percent act. They have no idea what the
Speaker 5: carbon level was really at. They're just basically there's like
Speaker 5: an assumption that has to be made for them to
Speaker 5: do radiometric dating. And I'm not a professional in that
Speaker 5: in any way, and I'm not going to act like
Speaker 5: I am or that I know exactly how that goes.
Speaker 5: But I do want to say that there is young
Speaker 5: Earth creationists that are scientists that are not biblical at all.
Speaker 5: They don't even believe the Bible, but they do believe
Speaker 5: it's a young Earth. So there's an opposite end of that.
Speaker 5: But we won't hear about a lot of those scientists
Speaker 5: because I do believe they get they don't get as
Speaker 5: much publicity and they don't have as many papers that
Speaker 5: are going to be accepted. And there's actually a movie
Speaker 5: that you can watch on that that's like a documentary
Speaker 5: on that. But so my take is basically, I just
Speaker 5: take the Bible literal from Genesis to revelation and that's
Speaker 5: the way I stand. And I do debate people on
Speaker 5: the subjects and stuff, but you know, I do respect
Speaker 5: scientists and everything. I'm not saying that they're out there
Speaker 5: trying to like make an agenda or they're not just
Speaker 5: all like I mean, some are, sure, but what the whole,
Speaker 5: the whole premise is of you know, naturalization is is
Speaker 5: that everything happened without a God having to do anything right.
Speaker 5: So it's it's just, you know, like I said, it's
Speaker 5: just it's just things that I think that I think
Speaker 5: that there's things out there that are are there agenda wise, yes, yes,
Speaker 5: to prove God wrong. But also I think that scientists
Speaker 5: have their own lane that they're they're studying and they're doing,
Speaker 5: you know, but I think a lot of it is
Speaker 5: is is theories though, and not one hundred percent facts.
Speaker 5: I mean, how could you say that thirteen point eight
Speaker 5: years a billion years ago that that everything was formed
Speaker 5: one hundred percent. You know, they wouldn't be able to
Speaker 5: know one hundred percent because they weren't there.
Speaker 1: Right, So your take on Neanderthals is this nothing.
Speaker 5: Neanderthals. I don't know. I'm not sure because I think that,
Speaker 5: like I said, just like Dravend was saying, I believe
Speaker 5: that they were large, larger, you know. But some people
Speaker 5: would say like that, that word doesn't mean giant. Some
Speaker 5: people would say that nepheline means you know, fallen or
Speaker 5: earth form. That's kind of what the term is. But
Speaker 5: but as you go through the Bible with with with nepheline, uh,
Speaker 5: it is they're talking about large people that are large
Speaker 5: and stature. That's that's how they're explained, and it's also
Speaker 5: that's what separates them from from from you know, the Israelites.
Speaker 5: You know, they keep saying, you know, they're the tallest cedars,
Speaker 5: or they're they're strong in stature, or they're the mighty
Speaker 5: men of renowned they're they're they're like mighty characters. And
Speaker 5: also I think they're they're a lot bigger. So I
Speaker 5: think Raven has A has the right take on that.
Speaker 5: So I don't. I don't know about Neanderthals, and and
Speaker 5: you know, and and that take whether they would be
Speaker 5: nephiline or not. But I do believe that they were
Speaker 5: larger in stature though, so.
Speaker 1: I don't believe the Neanderthals are nephilim.
Speaker 3: I have heard the theory be proposed, and I think
Speaker 3: it's an interesting one to look at. It is, especially
Speaker 3: when you look at when they are talking about when
Speaker 3: they get to the Promised Land and they say that
Speaker 3: these dudes are giant. We are grasshoppers to them, right,
Speaker 3: And it's like, Okay, they're already being metaphoric with the
Speaker 3: language that they're using to describe how tall and small
Speaker 3: they are, like the Jews weren't or at that time
Speaker 3: the Hebrew were not actually the size of grasshoppery as
Speaker 3: compared to these dudes. They're being a little bit metaphoric,
Speaker 3: and okay, fine, but a lot of people will take
Speaker 3: that to mean, oh, they were completely being metaphoric, and
Speaker 3: in reality, these people weren't tall. They were just really
Speaker 3: strong looking and there they were scared, and it's like, okay,
Speaker 3: I see where you're going with this. But then we
Speaker 3: also have so many documented examples of giants, not oh,
Speaker 3: somebody who's a foot taller, like, no, no, a literal
Speaker 3: giant that was walking, and not even talking about Goliath
Speaker 3: and his four brothers. But like, there's multiple examples through
Speaker 3: the Bible of giants that were roaming the earth. There's
Speaker 3: examples that they have found archaeologically studying, and the museums
Speaker 3: have either destroyed or completely pushed all of that under
Speaker 3: the rugs. The Smithsonian I think we talked about that
Speaker 3: a few episodes back. They admitted that they were destroying
Speaker 3: giant bones and not putting them on display. And this
Speaker 3: is when we get into that section where I'm not
Speaker 3: sure if it was to go against the biblical narrative,
Speaker 3: although I'm sure there was a little bit of a
Speaker 3: spirit of that. I think it's also them trying to
Speaker 3: not rewrite the history books, and it's like multiple reasons
Speaker 3: why they're like, you know what, we just need to
Speaker 3: not let people know giants wherever real. It's just it's
Speaker 3: really within our best interest.
Speaker 6: What do you think about those have you guys, I'm
Speaker 6: sure you have seen the theories about the different formations
Speaker 6: around the world that they believe are the those massive
Speaker 6: trees or they are giants that are sleeping and you've
Speaker 6: seen like the faces and stuff like that, do you
Speaker 6: believe those are actually real?
Speaker 4: A hoole truth.
Speaker 6: Because somebody, some people actually believe that almost like Jack
Speaker 6: and the beanstalk situation, where these trees were massive and
Speaker 6: that potentially another dimension is above us, i e. Where
Speaker 6: the giants went, or the nephilum and stuff like that.
Speaker 5: It's interesting. I've seen a lot of information on that,
Speaker 5: and that's it's just it's like what they do is
Speaker 5: some people would try to relate that to the Bible too,
Speaker 5: because in the Book of Daniel it's said that these
Speaker 5: angels they cut the trees down or some sort of way,
Speaker 5: but those were like visions and not like literal So
Speaker 5: I think, I think it's interesting. I don't I don't
Speaker 5: personally have like a I don't have a way to
Speaker 5: connect it to the Bible, right, So if there was
Speaker 5: a way for me to connect that to the Bible,
Speaker 5: and I see that it's biblical, then I would say, yeah,
Speaker 5: I believe it. But but it is just interesting that
Speaker 5: people are at least people are digging and they're trying
Speaker 5: to connect things, uh, to the to the Word, you know,
Speaker 5: which I like, you know.
Speaker 3: If that makes sense now when you like Daniel, for instance,
Speaker 3: there's a lot of interpretation within that book. There's also
Speaker 3: a lot of historical references that are made in that book.
Speaker 3: Me and my kids we have a little Bible study
Speaker 3: book that we go through. We're currently in the Book
Speaker 3: of Daniel. Literally last night we read the story about
Speaker 3: nebukanz Are acting like an animal and all these things.
Speaker 3: And I've actually gotten in debates with people about this
Speaker 3: and they're like, Nebukanzer never did that, and I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 3: historically speaking, he lost his ship for a few years
Speaker 3: and went to the fields and was on all fours
Speaker 3: eating grass like an animal for a few years.
Speaker 1: And they're like, wait what, And then they have to.
Speaker 3: Go back and fact check themselves, and it's like, listen,
Speaker 3: I'm not I'm not trying to be that guy, but
Speaker 3: I will say, like, history is my shit, so you
Speaker 3: got to do your homework if you're gonna try to
Speaker 3: come at me on that. But beside the point, Daniel
Speaker 3: also has a lot of interpretation and a lot of
Speaker 3: dreams that are being spoken about visions right Book of
Speaker 3: Ezekiel same way, there are some historical things within the
Speaker 3: Book of Ezekiel, some of them are most of it,
Speaker 3: I would say, is more things that need to be interpreted.
Speaker 3: And Book of Revelation. The entire book is a book
Speaker 3: of interpretation and in time prophecy. However, I have always wondered,
Speaker 3: and I guess there's no real correct answer on this one.
Speaker 3: When it comes to the book of interpretation, how much
Speaker 3: of what is written is going to happen exactly as
Speaker 3: it's written, And how many of these things will be
Speaker 3: something interpreted that we're not going to understand until it
Speaker 3: comes through to fruition. Right, So, like you said, the
Speaker 3: Book of Daniel, how much of what Daniel it's kind
Speaker 3: of obvious which ones are dreams and interpretations and prophecy.
Speaker 3: How much of these book of prophecies do you think
Speaker 3: are going to play out exactly as they're written? And
Speaker 3: how much of it do you think is going to
Speaker 3: be one of these things that it's really going to
Speaker 3: make sense once it happens.
Speaker 5: Well, some of it is. Uh, it's hard because some
Speaker 5: people believe that certain things are nations, you know, so
Speaker 5: like let's say there's certain there's certain words where they're
Speaker 5: like this is this is not an actual beast, this
Speaker 5: is going to be a nation, or this is a
Speaker 5: beast with.
Speaker 1: Seven heads, yeah, yeah, kings.
Speaker 5: Or there's just different ways. If that's that's why I said,
Speaker 5: I want to I want to just take it and
Speaker 5: just read it myself and just pray to God and say, Lord,
Speaker 5: show me what you want me to, you know, want
Speaker 5: to show me, and then I want to do it
Speaker 5: myself before I give a breakdown, because what happens is,
Speaker 5: like I said, like a pastor will tell you, well,
Speaker 5: these seven heads are seven kings, right, so then you
Speaker 5: always think that in your head. Well, as I read
Speaker 5: the Book of Revelation, these seven heads are seven kings,
Speaker 5: so let me just connect it to seven kings now.
Speaker 5: But then what you what you have to do, like
Speaker 5: I said, is you have to kind of read it
Speaker 5: yourself and find out exactly without any preconceived biases, and
Speaker 5: find out what it is. Because there'll be like a
Speaker 5: certain group that say that there's seven heads and seven kings,
Speaker 5: or this is seven kingdoms, or these are seven nations
Speaker 5: or these are and then you're like, wow, there's all
Speaker 5: these different interpretations of this. So I believe that you
Speaker 5: should just go at the Bible yourself read it yourself
Speaker 5: and don't depend on somebody to show you the Bible.
Speaker 5: You need to have God show it to you, you know,
Speaker 5: and the way you do that is by reading it
Speaker 5: yourself and going through it a few chapters at a time.
Speaker 5: Like how Raven's mom is doing it. That's perfect, you know,
Speaker 5: through the year, just her reading the Bible like once
Speaker 5: every year, but just having these verses that she's concentrating
Speaker 5: on and she's studying it is the best, you know,
Speaker 5: instead of you know, like before, when I was just
Speaker 5: I'll be like, Okay, today I'm gonna talk about salvation.
Speaker 5: So I'm gonna go through all these verses that talk
Speaker 5: about salvation and I'm gonna teach on that. Instead, I'm
Speaker 5: just going through the Bible. So it forces me to
Speaker 5: talk about the uncomfortable parts of the Bible and then
Speaker 5: the parts that are adventurous and the parts that are not.
Speaker 5: Some of the parts that some people might not be interested,
Speaker 5: like going over the Book of Leviticus. And obviously I'm
Speaker 5: speaking of my head. Like numbers, Jacob and johnath are
Speaker 5: going to be mad. The numbers are going to be
Speaker 5: so low on this is because people don't want to
Speaker 5: hear about this, but people actually love to hear about
Speaker 5: it because they don't get to hear about it in church.
Speaker 5: So it's like, yeah, it's very you know. So that's
Speaker 5: what happens.
Speaker 3: So the vitical law is something that is the basis
Speaker 3: for arguably Western civilization, and not all of it needs
Speaker 3: to be applied. I understand that, Like, for instance, I
Speaker 3: love bacon, so like cool, I don't. I don't get
Speaker 3: down with the laws of how we're not supposed to
Speaker 3: do that or basically the thing.
Speaker 1: I know, I know that's.
Speaker 3: Fine, but everybody knows that I do be getting down
Speaker 3: with pork.
Speaker 1: It's not a hot take, you know.
Speaker 3: But when you also look at their laws that they
Speaker 3: had as far as hygiene is concerned, that's something that
Speaker 3: the rest of the world took a good long while
Speaker 3: to catch up on and or or why they would
Speaker 3: wear certain clothing or why they would do certain things.
Speaker 3: And at the time it seemed really ridiculous. You're just
Speaker 3: making more rules for yourself. But cut to a thousand
Speaker 3: years later, it's like, oh, y'all were getting hooked up
Speaker 3: from a very early stage. But like to your point,
Speaker 3: to make content out of that, it could be very
Speaker 3: dry and I understand that, but you also are very
Speaker 3: good at making things very relatable and making things very
Speaker 3: entertaining and interesting to listen to, So I definitely see
Speaker 3: that for sure.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I was just like, uh, I felt like that.
Speaker 5: I was like, is this going to be dry? But
Speaker 5: it's like I think as you just go through, the
Speaker 5: people would just follow. They're just followed along. I just
Speaker 5: told him, hey, just bear with me. We're just gonna
Speaker 5: go through the best we can. And the people were
Speaker 5: just like, no, it's fine, it's it's just do your thing.
Speaker 5: We never get to hear about this, so it's like
Speaker 5: it's a blessing to hear from from people, and you know,
Speaker 5: because your mind is just you know, the devil's going
Speaker 5: to play games with you too, and just be like, oh,
Speaker 5: this portion is not important. You need to go over
Speaker 5: this word for word. And there's also names too that
Speaker 5: I'm trying to pronounce. It came pronounce, so I probably
Speaker 5: sound like a very unintelligent We are.
Speaker 3: The worst to it names, Oh my god, especially for
Speaker 3: something modern times like oh yeah Ukrainian homeboy bor yep, yeah,
Speaker 3: no guy, It's like, yo, I'm not even trying homeboy
Speaker 3: from point A and homeboy from point B they're beefing.
Speaker 6: It's just where I can never pronounce any names. I'm
Speaker 6: just like, you know that person, that one with the face,
Speaker 6: that guy.
Speaker 5: Yes, yes, there's a whole lineage. I was trying to
Speaker 5: read through it and I was like, I can't pronounce it.
Speaker 5: But I was just doing my best, you know, and
Speaker 5: people are they're they're very They give me a lot
Speaker 5: of grace, I'll put it that way, which is a blessing.
Speaker 6: I use the YouTube how to Say Stuff, Oh perfect,
Speaker 6: because like you can like.
Speaker 4: Put it in and it will tell you exactly how
Speaker 4: to say it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, But even then half the time I can't pronounce it.
Speaker 5: I know.
Speaker 1: Sometimes I'm it's like I don't roll my rs.
Speaker 3: My mouth doesn't make that noise, Like okay, sure that dude.
Speaker 4: But I did have a question. Do you believe in?
Speaker 4: Do you?
Speaker 6: I guess I wouldn't know if I don't know if
Speaker 6: this is in the Bible or not, because it's been
Speaker 6: a long time, But is Pangaea believed in the Bible.
Speaker 6: Pangea is the land formations where everything was together. I
Speaker 6: didn't know, if you know, some people actually don't know
Speaker 6: what it is.
Speaker 3: I've spoken of, but some people will take excerpts from
Speaker 3: it and say that might be what is being referenced.
Speaker 6: Because I ye, so I was looking into Pangaea more
Speaker 6: and the different formations afterwards, and the different names. I
Speaker 6: actually didn't realize the different names I knew. Obviously pange
Speaker 6: is the big one that everyone knows, but they actually
Speaker 6: have every time the continents shifted, they have different names
Speaker 6: for the differently informs that were afterwards.
Speaker 5: So yeah, so let's say like the flood, for example,
Speaker 5: Let's say it was Pangaea and it was together, you know,
Speaker 5: so that's why people would say that all the animals
Speaker 5: were able to come to the arc. So some people
Speaker 5: do use Pangaea as reasons why, you know, all the
Speaker 5: animals could come to Noah and certain things. Yeah, so
Speaker 5: some people do. Now is it biblical? The Bible doesn't
Speaker 5: obviously say like exactly the way the continents were lined
Speaker 5: up or exactly like that, but some people would say
Speaker 5: that they're talking about when they say to the ends
Speaker 5: of the earth at that time, it means to the
Speaker 5: ends of the continents because they were all together at
Speaker 5: that time. So there's different interpretations of that. But yeah,
Speaker 5: I have heard people connect Pangaea to the Bible before,
Speaker 5: and I think it's it's interesting because let's say, like
Speaker 5: a kangaroo, Like they're like, how could you get a
Speaker 5: kangaroo to the r if it was in Australia, you know,
Speaker 5: so far away. So there's a different ways that people
Speaker 5: do connect Pangaea to the Bible. And some people connected
Speaker 5: to to when the Tower of Babbel happened, right when
Speaker 5: Yad split the languages, and what he did is during
Speaker 5: that time it was all connected. And then when the
Speaker 5: when he split the languages, he split the continents as well,
Speaker 5: you know.
Speaker 3: So, yeah, you're a biblical literalist, what is your take
Speaker 3: on Pangaea? Just speaking on behalf of Josh Day, he's saying,
Speaker 3: other people say you personally, what's your take?
Speaker 5: Well, I know that during the flood it says the
Speaker 5: fountains of the Grade Deep were broken, so it could
Speaker 5: be possible, let's say that they were together and then
Speaker 5: the fountains of the Grade Deep were broken and it
Speaker 5: did cause the continents to shift. Now I don't uh
Speaker 5: personally right now. Obviously I believe in biblical cosmology, which
Speaker 5: which Jacob knows, and I believe that that, and Ravens
Speaker 5: is probably gonna go what I believe in Biblical cosmology,
Speaker 5: where uh, you know, where there's a firmament, you know,
Speaker 5: above God's throne is above the firmament, the firm connect
Speaker 5: to the Earth, and I do believe in flat earth currently,
Speaker 5: but I do really, I'm open if that makes sense.
Speaker 1: He's our resident Christian flat earthers.
Speaker 5: Really.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, that's interesting.
Speaker 5: The reason why is because I've gone over a whole show.
Speaker 5: You should watch that show, raven and season.
Speaker 6: I had to go, yeah, I forget that. I forgot
Speaker 6: that you told me that he was a flat earther.
Speaker 5: Okay, yeah, so so yeah, the Bible talks about a
Speaker 5: firmament and talks about it. So as far as like
Speaker 5: Pangaea and everything, I'm not I'm not sure. I'm kind
Speaker 5: of open to the idea. But I do believe that
Speaker 5: the fountains of the Great Deeper broken during the flood.
Speaker 5: It does say that, it says the windows of Heaven
Speaker 5: were open. So there's three separate events that happened during
Speaker 5: the flood. It's like it rained for forty days forty nights.
Speaker 5: What first happened, that is the founds of the Grade
Speaker 5: Deeper broken, so water came from below. And then it
Speaker 5: also says that the windows of heaven were open, which
Speaker 5: I believe that the water above came down and filled
Speaker 5: up the fish bowl, as you could say. And then
Speaker 5: I say that, then it says that it rained for
Speaker 5: forty days and boorty nights as well, So maybe the
Speaker 5: founds of the Great Deeper broken, meaning that it it
Speaker 5: did separate the continents.
Speaker 4: I don't know, like the Marianna Trench potentially.
Speaker 2: I mean like right, yeah, yeah, I mean I was
Speaker 2: just thinking like it could be logically like what potentially
Speaker 2: it could be.
Speaker 3: Speaking of Marianna's trench. So I may not be a
Speaker 3: full on biblical literalist. I think there is some things
Speaker 3: that are because and we've talked about this too, right
Speaker 3: especial when we're talking about the Book of Genesis. How
Speaker 3: do you explain, as a father to your five year
Speaker 3: old where babies come from.
Speaker 1: You don't give them the whole story. You don't lie
Speaker 1: to them either.
Speaker 3: You give them a very very very g rated version
Speaker 3: of how things go down. Right, Daddy holds mommy really close,
Speaker 3: a baby grows and Mommy's tummy and that you didn't lie.
Speaker 3: You just left out all of the key details because
Speaker 3: this is a child. They have no context, no frame
Speaker 3: of reference. I believe a lot of things.
Speaker 4: Uh you use.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I get to like, well, you did birthing work
Speaker 1: and they were there.
Speaker 6: For it, so they underst well, my kids, I've never
Speaker 6: actually well, now that my oldest is older, but I've
Speaker 6: never actually explained. They never asked me where babies came from.
Speaker 6: Never one time have they ever asked me. They've asked
Speaker 6: a million other questions. And then, oh my god, my
Speaker 6: one was younger, My oldest was younger. And this woman
Speaker 6: we were having a discussion. She was pregnant and she
Speaker 6: was having elected C section and he's like, well, that's
Speaker 6: not how you give birth and I'm like how and
Speaker 6: I was like and he's like no, he's like the
Speaker 6: baby comes from the vagina.
Speaker 4: And I was like, oh my god.
Speaker 6: And this is like he was like six and I
Speaker 6: was like I'm sorry, I'm sorry, and she's like it's okay,
Speaker 6: and honesty.
Speaker 4: He's like straight faced, like just staring her.
Speaker 6: Down like mm mmmm, it's not getting cut out of you,
Speaker 6: like that is not how this works. And I was
Speaker 6: like stop it. Yet I was like, people, this is
Speaker 6: another way, but it was. It was so funny because
Speaker 6: he's like, no, this is this is the way. And
Speaker 6: they've actually been present for one of my closest friends births.
Speaker 6: They were they were actually there in the room during
Speaker 6: COVID because we couldn't.
Speaker 4: Uh it was right after COVID.
Speaker 6: It was like twenty twenty one, I think she was
Speaker 6: born and I was like, I have no one to
Speaker 6: watch my kids. And she's like, well, bring them, so
Speaker 6: here we all are and the staff was like, oh, well,
Speaker 6: we can't really have them in the room, so they
Speaker 6: had to like stand off to this side.
Speaker 4: And my daughter was like, you're okay, You're doing great.
Speaker 5: That cute.
Speaker 4: It was really cute.
Speaker 2: Over.
Speaker 5: I had my first daughter I had in twenty nineteen
Speaker 5: before COVID hit, right, and then my second daughter I
Speaker 5: had during COVID, and they did a C section with
Speaker 5: my wife and they wouldn't allow me in the room.
Speaker 5: Oh my first daughter was born. I was allowed in
Speaker 5: the room, no album, but they just took my wife
Speaker 5: away and I'm like, wow, like this is this is crazy.
Speaker 5: They you know, because of COVID, they have all these
Speaker 5: restrictions on being in the ring. So oh, my goodness. Yeah,
Speaker 5: it sucks. So the third one though, was just too quick.
Speaker 5: I couldn't even I couldn't make it in time, just
Speaker 5: too fast. But anyways, yeah, so what asting.
Speaker 3: So whenever we're talking about, like the biblical narratives on things,
Speaker 3: some of it I do believe is literal, and there
Speaker 3: they listed out to be literal. Some of it I
Speaker 3: believe is more of God giving divine revelation to Moses,
Speaker 3: but in a very dumb down way that the human
Speaker 3: brain can contemplate, because we cannot we can't conceive all
Speaker 3: of what God is.
Speaker 6: Wait, we have like six million years. What if like
Speaker 6: the six days were million a million years each, and
Speaker 6: I've heard that narrative be said before, that would be
Speaker 6: more align, I guess, because it says that the day
Speaker 6: is like an eon, is like a day to God.
Speaker 3: But whenever he told the human race here's what happened,
Speaker 3: He gave them days as a frame of reference.
Speaker 6: What it was like six hundred million years that took time?
Speaker 6: Like that would be that would make more sense to
Speaker 6: me because then Pangeu it would make more sense in
Speaker 6: the sense in the biblical narrative for me, because Pangaea
Speaker 6: was three hundred and thirty five million years ago.
Speaker 3: But then also, like he said, on day one, this happened,
Speaker 3: Day two, this happens. So now we're talking about how
Speaker 3: could the plants subsist without the sun?
Speaker 6: I mean were created in universe, so like any people
Speaker 6: found a way, so like anything literally can happen at
Speaker 6: that point. If he is like all everything, then why
Speaker 6: does it need like there's microbes that are living on
Speaker 6: another planet?
Speaker 1: So like yeah, true.
Speaker 6: I mean if we really want to get like super
Speaker 6: technical about it, I mean, it would make sense to
Speaker 6: me if it was actually in like millions years or
Speaker 6: a billion years or something, because I mean time is
Speaker 6: time is non existence pretty much for something. If he
Speaker 6: is that old and that being, you know, why would
Speaker 6: it matter if it took a billion years to create it?
Speaker 6: How much energy did it did it take to create
Speaker 6: versus like, you know, whatever was going on. I mean,
Speaker 6: he's been in you know, a spiritual war up there
Speaker 6: and everything else that's been happening.
Speaker 3: So so that's kind of where I'm at with it,
Speaker 3: And it's not to try to blend science and religion.
Speaker 3: I kind of get down with that theory of like, Okay,
Speaker 3: so I think it's millions of years old. Human written
Speaker 3: history might only be so old. But I believe Moses
Speaker 3: got divinely inspired word from the source and wrote it
Speaker 3: down as he was told to write it down. But
Speaker 3: I don't believe that God has given us the entire picture.
Speaker 3: I think he gave us our Like I don't believe
Speaker 3: that the Bible is an all encompassing source. It is
Speaker 3: a source for us to live the best fulfilled life
Speaker 3: that he called us to live. But there are so
Speaker 3: many levels on background, things that we are not privy
Speaker 3: to just yet, and we don't need to be privy
Speaker 3: to it just yet, just like the child who's asking
Speaker 3: where babies come from, Like one day you'll understand this
Speaker 3: today is not that day, So like on that point, Yes, however,
Speaker 3: I believe the Leviathan is real, like literally real, and
Speaker 3: I believe it's living in Marianna's trench. Oh yeah, yeah, Josh,
Speaker 3: you take on the Leviathan.
Speaker 4: The giant bastard down there.
Speaker 5: I love Jacob. He's like, oh, this is not real,
Speaker 5: but it's not.
Speaker 3: There is a giant dragon snake living in Marianna's trench.
Speaker 1: Right now.
Speaker 3: I am convinced of it beyond all, like to the
Speaker 3: point of arrogance, honestly.
Speaker 5: But oh so yeah. So in Exodus twenty versus even
Speaker 5: it says, for in six days the Lord made heaven
Speaker 5: and earth, the sea and all that is in them,
Speaker 5: and rested on the seventh day. Right, So I see,
Speaker 5: I take Exodus because Moses is writing that. Also Moses
Speaker 5: wrote Genesis. And in Genesis it's what it is is
Speaker 5: it says in the very beginning God created the heavens
Speaker 5: and the earth, right, and then it says which the
Speaker 5: heavens is. There's three different heavens. First heaven is where
Speaker 5: the moonsune the stars are located. Second heaven is the firmament,
Speaker 5: which is mentioned in Genesis one eight, and the third
Speaker 5: heaven was where God's throne is located. So as I'm
Speaker 5: reading Genesis, some people would say this, They would say, hey, well,
Speaker 5: what God did is God was trying to give them,
Speaker 5: you know, give them a download, like Jacob was saying,
Speaker 5: for them to understand. But for me, God had a
Speaker 5: blank slate like he you know, between a scientist now
Speaker 5: and and Moses, what's the difference between their brain. I
Speaker 5: don't believe there's a difference between their brain. I think
Speaker 5: Moses could have taken it either way. God could have
Speaker 5: told them, hey, I created everything thirteen point eight billion
Speaker 5: years ago. Moses said, now you guys are here six
Speaker 5: thousand years late, or you know, thirteen point eight billion
Speaker 5: years later. But no, the way he broke it down
Speaker 5: is that he created the heavens and the earth, and
Speaker 5: I think he just basically did it day by day.
Speaker 5: And God is a glorious God, and there's glory in
Speaker 5: that for him to do everything in a day. He
Speaker 5: created the firmament it talks about in one day, right,
Speaker 5: So I think that's that is something that's a massive creation,
Speaker 5: whether the firmament is outside the galaxies like scientists would
Speaker 5: have to say now if they do believe the Bible,
Speaker 5: or the firmament is closer like I believe, I believe
Speaker 5: that there's six literal days. And it actually the way
Speaker 5: that it says it is like in the evening and
Speaker 5: morning were the first day that God said, let there
Speaker 5: be and that God said, this is interesting too, was
Speaker 5: when God said let there be let there be light.
Speaker 5: He's actually it's it's like him speaking the word and
Speaker 5: then something is created like that word said means exist.
Speaker 5: So God says exist firmament exists, moon, sun, and stars exists.
Speaker 5: He's actually just saying exist, and then it does exist.
Speaker 5: And I do believe that it six literal days, and
Speaker 5: and that's what that's why I take it this way,
Speaker 5: because because I took all my preconceived biases I learned
Speaker 5: in school and anything I've learned from man or anything,
Speaker 5: and I just put it to the side, and then
Speaker 5: I literally just start reading the Bible and digging. And
Speaker 5: when the Bible says the morning and the evening or
Speaker 5: the first day, I think that that puts a day one.
Speaker 5: And then when it says, like you know, God created
Speaker 5: the firmament and the evening and morning with the second day,
Speaker 5: that's that's the second day. And it actually confirms this
Speaker 5: in the book of Genesis because it in Genesis one
Speaker 5: two or in Genesis two, it actually says that this
Speaker 5: is the history of how the heavens were made and
Speaker 5: the days that it was created. And that's what God
Speaker 5: is saying to Moses, right, So, uh, this is why
Speaker 5: I take it as literal days. Now, what happens is
Speaker 5: science is going to come in and they're going to
Speaker 5: tell you certain things. And that's what I do. I Basically,
Speaker 5: I filter whatever I learned from science and I filter
Speaker 5: it through the Bible, and if it doesn't match up
Speaker 5: to the Bible, then I just believe what the Bible says.
Speaker 5: So that's the way I take it. But the way
Speaker 5: that Jacob does it, Jacob is open, and I think
Speaker 5: that you guys are and that's that's perfectly fine. However
Speaker 5: someone does it just it just depends on your take space.
Speaker 5: I believe in space. Yeah, I believe that there's I
Speaker 5: think that the first heaven is where the moon, sun,
Speaker 5: of the stars are actually located. So do I believe
Speaker 5: that space is infinite and that it's it's expanding at
Speaker 5: one point three million miles an hour and that we're
Speaker 5: that we're traveling through space at five hundred and forty
Speaker 5: million miles an hour. Do I believe that the Earth
Speaker 5: is orbiting the Sun at sixty six thousand miles an
Speaker 5: hour or that we're spinning one thousand miles an hour. No,
Speaker 5: I don't believe that. I believe that we are. If
Speaker 5: the Earth is a globe, that it is going to
Speaker 5: be geocentric, and that the Earth is not moving. And
Speaker 5: the reason why I believe that is because I compare
Speaker 5: it to what the Bible says about certain things, which
Speaker 5: I don't want to get into here because we've done
Speaker 5: a whole biblical homology episode. But there's certain things in
Speaker 5: the Bible where I believe that the Earth is the
Speaker 5: center of the if you call it a universe. But
Speaker 5: currently I believe that the the Earth. It says that
Speaker 5: the Earth was created first, right, and then it says
Speaker 5: that God created the moon, sun and the stars on
Speaker 5: the fourth day, So the Earth is like the center
Speaker 5: of you know, Earth, which was created for us, is
Speaker 5: like the center of everything, not that the Earth is
Speaker 5: just a speck of dust or orbiting the sun, you know,
Speaker 5: and and that the Sun is needed. You know. What
Speaker 5: happens is with the heliocentric model is the Sun is
Speaker 5: the main focus, you know, because that's why it says
Speaker 5: four points six billion years ago God created the Sun
Speaker 5: first because everything has to orbit it. I'm sorry. Science
Speaker 5: says that the Sun is created first, so that because
Speaker 5: everything has to orbit it right in our in our
Speaker 5: solar system. But if you go into the Bible, the
Speaker 5: Earth is created first. So the reason for that, I
Speaker 5: think is because the moon, Sun, of the stars are
Speaker 5: are are are created and there there there's something that
Speaker 5: the Earth doesn't doesn't need to revolve around the Sun.
Speaker 5: I think that that those need to revolve around the Earth,
Speaker 5: if that makes sense, because the Earth is is special,
Speaker 5: it's created for us, if that makes sense.
Speaker 4: Hmmm, So what about aliens then I.
Speaker 5: Think aliens is interesting take. But I don't think aliens
Speaker 5: would come from outer space. I think that if there, if.
Speaker 6: They're well within the globe. So if they're within the globe,
Speaker 6: then are they, say the he.
Speaker 5: Let's let's just say the heliocentric model is true. Now.
Speaker 5: I think that the only creation that we have is
Speaker 5: human beings, and we have fallen angels, demons, and the devil,
Speaker 5: and that's it for me. So if there's anything called
Speaker 5: an alien, I think that if you go to the
Speaker 5: Book of Ezekiel, you see that that that there's angels
Speaker 5: traveling with within a will, within a wheel. Right, So
Speaker 5: I think that there's all there is is those. That's
Speaker 5: all that I think that there is. I don't think
Speaker 5: that there's aliens per se, but I do believe that
Speaker 5: there's spiritual entities. Right. So let's say if you I
Speaker 5: think that these things are traveling through dimensions and not
Speaker 5: from outer space or from different planets. I think that
Speaker 5: it is a spiritual war that we're in and that
Speaker 5: there is no aliens. I think that there is. But
Speaker 5: that is just my take.
Speaker 6: But that's the rest in costumes like on Halloween.
Speaker 4: Well, they're just they're just fucking with us, like ha ha.
Speaker 1: I mean it's very possible.
Speaker 3: But at the same time, to a person who's not
Speaker 3: religious and they see a glowing orb, they would think
Speaker 3: that that's obviously aliens. But you're saying that that's actually
Speaker 3: a type of angelic being.
Speaker 5: I think that it would be angelic, yes, And if
Speaker 5: you think about it, like aliens are you know, these
Speaker 5: these even fallen angels and demons and and things in
Speaker 5: the Bible, they have to stay. They have to stay.
Speaker 5: They have to follow God's rules as well. Right, they
Speaker 5: can't just uh, you know, a demon can't just come
Speaker 5: up to Raven and just enter her whenever it wants, like.
Speaker 5: It has to have a channel and it has to
Speaker 5: be accepted. Right, So there's different rules that they have
Speaker 5: to follow, you know. So I do believe that. Now
Speaker 5: as far as UFOs having aliens on it, I don't
Speaker 5: believe in that, you know, I do believe in the Bible,
Speaker 5: it's it's going to be uh, it's only gonna be uh.
Speaker 5: There's only a few different things that are created. I
Speaker 5: think that there's angels that were created, and I think
Speaker 5: that humans were created from God. But as far as
Speaker 5: fallen angels, I think they did have sex with women
Speaker 5: and then the nepheline were created from that. And I
Speaker 5: believe that their spirits are what demons are today. And
Speaker 5: I think that's all there is. I don't think that
Speaker 5: there's aliens. So what's your take on aliens A couple?
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, go ahead, you have are me or her?
Speaker 4: It would be you because you're me.
Speaker 6: Because I was sitting here actually drawing out the globe
Speaker 6: in my I have like think about what.
Speaker 1: You're like the globe's talking.
Speaker 6: Flat keeping well, so yeah, no, I was sitting here
Speaker 6: like drawing it out in my head of like what
Speaker 6: it would look like, because I've seen it. I've seen
Speaker 6: different models of what it would look like. So you're
Speaker 6: talking about like it like this is us and then
Speaker 6: the firmament, and then above it is like the heavens.
Speaker 5: Okay, So like the ground, the ground is is us
Speaker 5: right above us? Okay, and then yeah, so that's basically okay.
Speaker 6: So I was right with okay, I had I had
Speaker 6: to visually see it in my mind because I was like, hmm,
Speaker 6: let me, let me be cause I've I've I've heard
Speaker 6: a lot of different theories. And like I've said before,
Speaker 6: I have friends that are flat Earthers, but different flavors
Speaker 6: of flat Earth.
Speaker 4: There's many varieties, there's a lot. It's like a variety pack.
Speaker 6: So I've heard different theories, but like, conceptually, I'm trying
Speaker 6: to think of it in my mind.
Speaker 4: I'm like, is this like, uh, we just.
Speaker 6: Watched Crumpus the other day, and so I was thinking
Speaker 6: about how he had all little snow globes sitting on
Speaker 6: his shelf.
Speaker 4: I was like, is it like he has like a
Speaker 4: globe sitting.
Speaker 6: On the shelf, and like here's one universe, here's another universe,
Speaker 6: like you know.
Speaker 4: Has a collection of them.
Speaker 3: We only know what he's told us, So like our
Speaker 3: universe might be like a snow globe on God's desk
Speaker 3: for lack of better words and making very euphimistic here,
Speaker 3: but bear with me. And meanwhile, he has this whole
Speaker 3: other universe that he built the most quad trillion years
Speaker 3: ago that we've never heard of, heard nothing about, but
Speaker 3: like that's another project of his. I believe the God
Speaker 3: that we worship is large enough to have way more
Speaker 3: things going on than he told us.
Speaker 6: That's all the way he make us so feeble, though,
Speaker 6: what do you mean, Like, why are like our meat
Speaker 6: sacks are pretty destructible easily, Like you know, like you
Speaker 6: would think that you'd make them more.
Speaker 4: Lasting, longer or less.
Speaker 6: You know.
Speaker 3: We see, we were we at one point, we did
Speaker 3: live hundreds and hundreds of years, and then humans screwed
Speaker 3: around and God was like, fine, nobody lives pasted one
Speaker 3: hundred and twenty because y'all can't figure.
Speaker 5: It's meant to live. We're meant to live forever with God.
Speaker 5: And that's what's going to happen in Revelation at the end,
Speaker 5: is there's going to be a new heaven and new
Speaker 5: Earth where God is walking amongst the people and we
Speaker 5: are living forever. That's what the whole story is about.
Speaker 5: Is it starts out in the garden Adam and Eve
Speaker 5: where they're supposed to live with God and they're walking
Speaker 5: with God, speaking with God, and then all of a sudden,
Speaker 5: the Fall happens, and then now we become that feeble body,
Speaker 5: you know. So, and they were living nine hundred years,
Speaker 5: you know, before the flood, and then it got it
Speaker 5: got put down to one hundred and twenty years, and
Speaker 5: that's just where we're at.
Speaker 4: Well that, I mean five years.
Speaker 3: Even in some Marian texts they talk about a king
Speaker 3: living like thirty thousand years and way back when. Now
Speaker 3: there are some people that are like, no, that's not
Speaker 3: actual years.
Speaker 4: But then for thousand years is past the creation theory.
Speaker 3: I'm just hearing like they're saying that the year designation
Speaker 3: is because he was that important, he accomplished so much,
Speaker 3: it's as if he lived that long. And it's like, brother,
Speaker 3: you look, this dude says thirty thousand, his kid lived
Speaker 3: ten thousand, his kid lived a thousand. Like they got
Speaker 3: shorter and shorter as time goes on into what we
Speaker 3: would have as far as like historically backed written history.
Speaker 3: And it's like, no, that pretty much they were on
Speaker 3: the money as far as that goes with the flood
Speaker 3: and everything else. So it's like, ah, all right, And
Speaker 3: then this is another one where it's like how much
Speaker 3: of that was legend and lore and myth for the
Speaker 3: Sumerians and they wrote it down one day, and now
Speaker 3: it's just seen as, oh, well, we found this artifact
Speaker 3: that even written history doesn't acknowledge a thirty thousand year
Speaker 3: old king, right, But it's at least something that is
Speaker 3: written down. So this is why archaeologists are, in my opinion,
Speaker 3: really cool, because they're able to like take these things
Speaker 3: and dissect it and start to try to paint a picture.
Speaker 3: But as you have learned, and as I have learned,
Speaker 3: and as Josh Monday has said many times, the historical
Speaker 3: picture is not always accurate.
Speaker 4: Oh.
Speaker 6: I mean, they can redact anything, they can hide anything,
Speaker 6: they can change things, unless you're actually doing the work
Speaker 6: by your own hand.
Speaker 1: I mean, evens the long neck. That's another example.
Speaker 3: We thought for years little foot that that was a
Speaker 3: real dinosaur.
Speaker 6: In my house, speaking of this is so stupid, but
Speaker 6: don't ask where my mind went there. I was driving
Speaker 6: and then like the sun's rising and a whole bunch
Speaker 6: of geese were out in this field, but from afar
Speaker 6: they look like baby long necks. Oh god, I actually
Speaker 6: took a picture and I was like, oh, my me.
Speaker 6: But I also really loved Jurassic Park, and so my
Speaker 6: brain was like, oh, dinosaurs.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, even thought the long neck was a
Speaker 3: dinosaur for years and years and years, Yeah, only to
Speaker 3: discover that was made up. This woman took the skull
Speaker 3: of one thing, the neck of one thing, the body
Speaker 3: of another thing, glued together, and we have believed that
Speaker 3: for so long, and it's like, yeah, but that's history,
Speaker 3: that's archaeology, that's it's like, that's that was a fraud.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, you said the sun was rising, So
Speaker 5: I think she's already thinking about flat Earth because the
Speaker 5: Earth is actually supposed to be moving and the sun's
Speaker 5: not rising in your in your model. So yeah, okay,
Speaker 5: so you were talking about alienen Yeah, let's read it.
Speaker 5: Let's read a verse in the Bible that kind of
Speaker 5: kind of gives this is in the Ephesian, So this
Speaker 5: is New Testament, right, fall speaking, He says, for we
Speaker 5: do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against principalities,
Speaker 5: against powers, against the rulers of darkness of this age,
Speaker 5: against spiritual hosts of wickedness and heavenly places. So I
Speaker 5: think that's interesting because he's not just talking about he's
Speaker 5: just not talking about just demons that are on earth
Speaker 5: that we're now there are spirits that are roaming the earth.
Speaker 5: He's talking about spiritual hosts of wickedness and heavenly places
Speaker 5: meaning the sky, right, that's what heavenly places are. It
Speaker 5: doesn't mean the earth. So that's what's going on. So
Speaker 5: even in the book of Daniel, you have a there's
Speaker 5: this this fallen angel, the Prince of Persia that's trying
Speaker 5: to prevent this angel from coming down and answering Daniel's prayer.
Speaker 5: And it took three weeks for his prayer to get answered.
Speaker 5: He was fasting waiting for this angel to come. So
Speaker 5: when he came, he was like, why did it take
Speaker 5: you so long? And he said, well, I had to
Speaker 5: fight against the Prince of Persia to come here, not
Speaker 5: meaning a literal human prince, but talking about a principality
Speaker 5: I've gotten.
Speaker 3: I've had that talk with people too, when they're talking
Speaker 3: about the Prince of Persia. It's like, yes, the Persian
Speaker 3: Empire was a thing. The angel was not actually duking
Speaker 3: it out with the current seated prince of the Persian
Speaker 3: nation is.
Speaker 5: A prince principality, right, And what happens is there was
Speaker 5: a seventy nations got divided in Deuteronomy, and God put
Speaker 5: a principality over each nation. Now, if you want to
Speaker 5: worship other gods, then he would have no problem putting
Speaker 5: a principality over that nation. You can have your other gods.
Speaker 5: But God was obviously over the Israelites. So what happens
Speaker 5: is it talks about spiritual host of wickedness in heavenly places,
Speaker 5: which is where we look up and see what we see.
Speaker 5: These these you could say UFOs, or fallen stars or
Speaker 5: fallen angels. That's where I think the spiritual battles are happening,
Speaker 5: and they're happening between Earth and where God's throne is located.
Speaker 5: And sometimes they're spiritual battles happening that we don't even
Speaker 5: know about. And God is doing things in the spiritual
Speaker 5: that we don't even know about, and it could be
Speaker 5: saving your life or saving you from destruction, saving you
Speaker 5: from temptations, whatever he's saving you from. I think there's
Speaker 5: things happening in the spiritual that we don't even know about.
Speaker 5: And in the physical we're trying to just do our
Speaker 5: best to maintain, but spiritually things are happening, like right now,
Speaker 5: there could be some spirits trying to make it so
Speaker 5: that I fumble my words or I do something wrong
Speaker 5: because we're speaking about the Bible. I'm representing God. But
Speaker 5: at the same time, God is protecting me, you know,
Speaker 5: from doing that, you know. So I think it's interesting.
Speaker 5: But the Bible does speak about things in the heavenly places,
Speaker 5: and I think that when it talks about heavenly, that's
Speaker 5: not the earth. Heavenly is in the sky. So there
Speaker 5: are things that are happening. But I just take everything
Speaker 5: from a spiritual aspect instead of like a alien or
Speaker 5: like a that type of aspect, you know. Can there
Speaker 5: be different things that are out there, like you know,
Speaker 5: cryptid and things like that. Yeah, maybe there's some some
Speaker 5: people would say that that's nepheline. DNA still survived the
Speaker 5: flood and survived even after God.
Speaker 1: Eliminated them, you know, Bigfoots maybe.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 3: We've had multiple people say bigfoots are actually angelic entities,
Speaker 3: and we've had other people say no, no, these are
Speaker 3: obviously nephylimic entities, and it's like, okay, again, it's neither
Speaker 3: of which are a salvation issue.
Speaker 1: So believe whatever you want to believe, go for it,
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 3: But I did want to ask you this as we're
Speaker 3: talking about aliens and things. So three I Atlas just
Speaker 3: came through and all these things, and I had multiple
Speaker 3: people in my life say that they believe that this
Speaker 3: was an alien craft, and then other people saying these
Speaker 3: this is a demonic craft because like you said.
Speaker 4: They don't believe even need a ship.
Speaker 1: That's what I was gonna say.
Speaker 3: So biblically speaking, they talk about the angels use chariots
Speaker 3: of fire at one point, Yes, why would an angel
Speaker 3: need a craft of any type to come down.
Speaker 5: And do things? I don't think angels have wings, you know,
Speaker 5: you know, like like like all angels have wings, like
Speaker 5: they try to put in Hollywood.
Speaker 3: Angels wings, seraphim wings. But then like there's the Ophium
Speaker 3: that are the the spinning eye types and those don't
Speaker 3: have wings, and so the levels.
Speaker 5: So so yeah, that's what I mean. So yeah, when
Speaker 5: you when when Elisha not Elijah, but Elisha was okay,
Speaker 5: so he's he's right there, there's there's there's a Syrian
Speaker 5: army that are coming to attack and try to kill
Speaker 5: him because he he gave some uh some information out
Speaker 5: about the king. So that so that the Israel king
Speaker 5: knew before they attacked that they knew something. So it's like,
Speaker 5: I want to attack Elisha. So so basically what happened
Speaker 5: is Elishah his his prophet that's next to him was like, hey,
Speaker 5: there's an army right there, aren't you afraid? And then
Speaker 5: he basically took the bail away so he can see
Speaker 5: the chariots of fire, the angels that are on the
Speaker 5: mountain ready to attack this, uh, this army. So yeah,
Speaker 5: so I think that that's that's that's biblical, that they're,
Speaker 5: like you said, chariots of fire, and that would look
Speaker 5: like something that maybe would look like a UFO or something,
Speaker 5: you know.
Speaker 1: So it's interesting and I don't I don't know.
Speaker 4: I don't many versions of angels? Are there?
Speaker 1: Nine?
Speaker 3: Well, I'm correct me if I'm wrong, I maybe seven.
Speaker 3: It's been a minute since I looked into the angelics
Speaker 3: and things like that, But there's seraphim cherifim Ophium.
Speaker 1: The arcs angels. Dang it, there was a couple more.
Speaker 1: I looked into this.
Speaker 6: I thought there was only like two or three. I
Speaker 6: also haven't studied the Bible in a long time.
Speaker 3: But then, and that's the other thing too, So angels,
Speaker 3: I am of the belief have the ability to shape shift.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that they all do.
Speaker 3: I'm saying that if God gave them a mission and
Speaker 3: for that mission, they because they're they're the they're the servants.
Speaker 3: They do the things for God on earth, right, and
Speaker 3: I think that if one of them had to appear
Speaker 3: in a certain manner, he'd be able to do so.
Speaker 3: But there are others that, like the spinning circles with
Speaker 3: the eyes and stuff. Those are basically the guards to
Speaker 3: the throne of Jesus or of God, I should say,
Speaker 3: And so they kind of only operate in that realm.
Speaker 3: And there's examples where they have come down to earth
Speaker 3: and they freaked people out, obviously, because if you saw
Speaker 3: that then a bit terrifying. There's the one with four heads.
Speaker 3: Then there's the ones that kind of look more human
Speaker 3: like with wings. Those are talked about. When we look
Speaker 3: at the story of Sodom and Gomora, right Lot and
Speaker 3: his daughters, they were visited by two angels that looked
Speaker 3: like men, like normal dudes, and they don't mention it
Speaker 3: they had wings or not, but it was.
Speaker 5: So they were they were just like men. And actually
Speaker 5: in that story in the beginning it says that there's
Speaker 5: three men that approached Abraham. It said, the Lord appeared
Speaker 5: to Abraham and then they looked like three men. And
Speaker 5: so the Lord, even God, looked like a man at
Speaker 5: that time when he approached Abraham, and Abraham was basically
Speaker 5: having a one on one with the Lord. Right, which
Speaker 5: is which is God? I believe it's well that portion
Speaker 5: is not going to be important for this. But the
Speaker 5: two men ended up becoming two angels. So they did
Speaker 5: approach Lot, and Lot kind of saw them and he
Speaker 5: bowed down to them. He saw some kind of angelic look,
Speaker 5: but at the same time they were angels. And the
Speaker 5: interesting part about this is they come inside and they actually, well,
Speaker 5: a Lot invites them in showing his hospitality is which
Speaker 5: which the Lord said that they wanted to make sure
Speaker 5: that Lot was righteous before he saved him out of
Speaker 5: sadow Megamore. So he did his thing, brought him into
Speaker 5: his house, and he actually fed them, so they ate,
Speaker 5: and then also Abraham premared prepared a meal for the Lord,
Speaker 5: and he ate with the Lord as they were eating
Speaker 5: with a Lot. So I think that that's really interesting
Speaker 5: that the angels end up they're able to eat, So
Speaker 5: are they shape shifters. Well. Even in Hebrews, which is
Speaker 5: a New Testament verse, it says, let brotherly love continue,
Speaker 5: do not forget to entertain strangers. For by so doing,
Speaker 5: some unwittingly entertained angels, meaning that that that angels do
Speaker 5: come in human form, and sometimes you are unwittingly entertaining them.
Speaker 5: So let's say there's somebody on the street that maybe
Speaker 5: it needs a jacket, maybe his cold. Maybe they asked, hey,
Speaker 5: can I have a few dollars, and you just brush
Speaker 5: them off and say beat it, but I'm not trying
Speaker 5: to help you today, whatever I think. Sometimes maybe you
Speaker 5: are approached by angels and you're unaware, you know, but
Speaker 5: so always treat people would love because you never know
Speaker 5: you're entertaining an angel and aware, right, so they are
Speaker 5: definitely able to become in human form. And that's why
Speaker 5: that's why I believe there's a difference between a fallen
Speaker 5: angel and a demon, where some people would say that
Speaker 5: that demons and fallen angels are the same. But demons
Speaker 5: they need a body to inhabit. Angels they come in
Speaker 5: human form, they have a body. God gives them a body.
Speaker 5: And I think what happened with Genesis six. I don't
Speaker 5: mean to interrupt you. Jacob's ranth in Genesis six. What
Speaker 5: happened is angels have a heavenly body, and they should
Speaker 5: their heavenly body, it's called the okatarian in the Greek,
Speaker 5: to have a human body and be able to mate
Speaker 5: with these these female women that they thought were so beautiful,
Speaker 5: and that's how they had the nephil Leman Genesis six.
Speaker 5: And even I know that this is probably God. She
Speaker 5: might be like, what are you talking about?
Speaker 6: But oh no, no, I've heard a good bit about
Speaker 6: this before. No, you're good, I've listened to this before.
Speaker 1: So I was just and that was the point I
Speaker 1: was trying to make. You said, you're interrupting. No, no,
Speaker 1: I was going to say. So many people have asked, well.
Speaker 3: How would angels why do they have sexual organs if
Speaker 3: they didn't have sex in heaven?
Speaker 1: What is this about?
Speaker 3: And it's like, yeah, well, why do they have stomachs
Speaker 3: If they're going to sit and eat with lots? It
Speaker 3: doesn't matter to the purpose and to the to the
Speaker 3: mission set. They are able to shift and do what
Speaker 3: they need to do to get the job done. So yeah,
Speaker 3: I agree with that.
Speaker 6: It made more sense to me that they could be
Speaker 6: able to look like us, considering our brains are so
Speaker 6: feeble compared to everything else, and we are so fearsome,
Speaker 6: like we fear so many things that we wouldn't understand.
Speaker 6: If something else that didn't look like us was coming
Speaker 6: at us, we would not approach it or not greet
Speaker 6: it with open arms.
Speaker 4: We would be so terrified.
Speaker 6: So obviously we're like tiny little babies, and I kind
Speaker 6: of feel bad for them, honestly, if they're having to
Speaker 6: take care of us this whole time, bro, I'd be
Speaker 6: so pissed. I'd be like, why do I have to
Speaker 6: take care of these little infant idiots down here all
Speaker 6: the time.
Speaker 1: That's the worst part.
Speaker 3: Because God loves us more than his angels, I would
Speaker 3: feel sometimes falling out.
Speaker 6: I'm not going to say that I don't blame them,
Speaker 6: because I would feel some type of way if, like
Speaker 6: my father, my creator, love these idiot ass people more
Speaker 6: than he loved us, Like, I would feel some type
Speaker 6: of way why, Because.
Speaker 4: They're so like they're divine.
Speaker 3: They're like they serve their divine purpose and humans are
Speaker 3: trying to serve hours. But that's like the supply guys
Speaker 3: hating the logistics guys. It's like, yo, y'all are both
Speaker 3: doing y'all's jobs.
Speaker 6: Yeah, but that you're talking about like an infant versus
Speaker 6: somebody that is extremely smart and has done so many
Speaker 6: things for a millennia.
Speaker 4: Pers these little.
Speaker 6: Creatures that you're like, why do I have to hold
Speaker 6: their hand and take care of them?
Speaker 3: They don't have souls, They don't have a timeline. They die,
Speaker 3: he die at a certain point. They don't like, at
Speaker 3: least our fleshly bodies die are soul.
Speaker 4: But my point is, does it say in the Bible
Speaker 4: they don't have souls?
Speaker 1: But not necessarily. My point is though it's like, uh,
Speaker 1: you've seen Troy.
Speaker 4: I've seen Troy yet?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 3: Okay, So you remember when Achilles is explaining his self
Speaker 3: to oh, what's the name of the cousin? And she
Speaker 3: thought he was a dumb brute And he's like, do
Speaker 3: you know why the gods are so jealous of us?
Speaker 3: Is because every day is more beautiful because we have
Speaker 3: a time stamp.
Speaker 1: Every day is worth so much more to us.
Speaker 3: To God's time means nothing today is literally the same
Speaker 3: as it was a million years ago.
Speaker 4: What if the angels have souls though.
Speaker 3: But they are timeless, is my point. They don't have
Speaker 3: they don't get the gift of life that we get.
Speaker 3: So for them, they're doing their job, but they're also
Speaker 3: timeless beings that are always going to do your job.
Speaker 3: In two million years, that angel will still be performing
Speaker 3: whatever his function is.
Speaker 6: For us feel some type of way. I mean, unless
Speaker 6: they don't have feelings in the sense of like having
Speaker 6: any type of corrupted feelings like.
Speaker 1: We do, well a third of them did at one point.
Speaker 5: They have free I think they have free will. Yeah,
Speaker 5: I think they do have free will. And the interesting
Speaker 5: part is they would probably like to be in our position,
Speaker 5: and we are trying to fight to get to their position.
Speaker 5: And that's what the interesting part is about Genesis six
Speaker 5: is they had the heavenly body that we are trying
Speaker 5: to achieve, and they're with God and they're able to
Speaker 5: do that, and then they shed that body to come
Speaker 5: down and be able to be in our role and
Speaker 5: to be able to have sex with human women. So
Speaker 5: that's what's crazy. We get to be with our wives
Speaker 5: every day and look into my wife's eyes, tell her
Speaker 5: I love her, and demons, I think they would love
Speaker 5: to be in your body feeling that feeling, and we
Speaker 5: get to feel it every day, and you still have
Speaker 5: people committing suicide not understanding what we have and how
Speaker 5: we should appreciate what we have, you know, And there's
Speaker 5: it's just like a a role reversal that happened, I think,
Speaker 5: and I think we should appreciate having what we do have,
Speaker 5: you know. And it does say that we are going
Speaker 5: to judge angels, and Paul says that we are actually
Speaker 5: going to be in a position to judge angels. But
Speaker 5: I think there's more too in the Biblical story than
Speaker 5: what we're told, you know. I think a lot of
Speaker 5: people just believe that there's demons and there's the devil,
Speaker 5: and that they just tempt you and they just come
Speaker 5: into your ear and say, hey, you need to do this, pal,
Speaker 5: and you're like, oh, I don't want to do this
Speaker 5: because I have a good angel on this show. They're like,
Speaker 5: it's really there's more to the story because even in
Speaker 5: Genesis are in APE'SI in six when I just read that,
Speaker 5: it talks about principalities of power. It just doesn't say
Speaker 5: like demons and the devil only it talks about principalities
Speaker 5: of power. So there's more to the story, you know,
Speaker 5: Like I think there's principalities over governments, you know, just
Speaker 5: like the government United States. Like if you go to
Speaker 5: the you know, Washington, d C. You don't see like,
Speaker 5: you know, mural of Jesus and God and and Yahweh
Speaker 5: and the Bible. You're seeing Fallus and you're seeing like
Speaker 5: all Roman architecture. You're seeing George Washington, you know, like
Speaker 5: sitting there on a throne with twenty two stars around him.
Speaker 5: And the fallus is something that is in itself, you know,
Speaker 5: I think it's.
Speaker 3: We just went to DC a couple couple of months ago, actually,
Speaker 3: we went to Philly, and I was explaining to her
Speaker 3: what an all is as far as for Masonic Lord,
Speaker 3: it's literally a dick. It's it's a statue of a dick,
Speaker 3: and it's that that's how it goes, and it's I
Speaker 3: don't think that's what the Egyptians.
Speaker 1: Were basing it off of, but it's it's definitely what
Speaker 1: it became.
Speaker 5: Well, you know, his uh Osiris supposedly his uh member
Speaker 5: got cut into pieces and then she put it is
Speaker 5: it Osiris, and then Isis put it back together, and
Speaker 5: then she got pregnant and then had Horus. Okay, so
Speaker 5: there's something to that obelisk. It is that it's a fallus.
Speaker 5: That's what it is. And there's there's also a fallus
Speaker 5: in the center of Rome. You have that giant fallus there.
Speaker 5: Then you have the city of London. Then you have
Speaker 5: the city of New York. Then you have the one
Speaker 5: that's in Washington. And so the places that you have
Speaker 5: these fallacies and in Egypt as well, are like, uh,
Speaker 5: centers of power for the elite, if you if that
Speaker 5: makes sense. You know, the city of London or like
Speaker 5: the bankers, you know, the the the Roman Catholic the
Speaker 5: Vatican is like is you can tell, that's like kind
Speaker 5: of the center for religion. And then you have like
Speaker 5: United States in Washington, d c. Which we are like
Speaker 5: the military portion of power. And I think you guys
Speaker 5: have probably gone through this in Conspiracy episodes, but you
Speaker 5: see that fallus represented, you know, and I think it's
Speaker 5: also the dimensions of it. I don't know if you've
Speaker 5: heard of this, Jacob, but I think it's five hundred
Speaker 5: and fifty five feet tall and it's one hundred and
Speaker 5: ten feet in the ground. Okay, so that's six hundred
Speaker 5: and sixty six feet tall, and if you go in inches,
Speaker 5: I think it's six six hundred and sixty six inches
Speaker 5: tall and then sixty six point six inches wide if
Speaker 5: I'm not mistaken something like that. So there's a lot
Speaker 5: of sixes to it as well. But I think there's
Speaker 5: principalities over governments, like when God did the he separated
Speaker 5: the nations and he put seventy entities, I think over
Speaker 5: these governments, and I think that that's why the book
Speaker 5: and Danie'll see the Prince of Persia, he's not a
Speaker 5: good angel over these government. He's actually a bad entity
Speaker 5: over the government, if that makes sense. So that's what
Speaker 5: I believe, man, And you see it through the government.
Speaker 5: You're not seeing there's people that are Christian obviously in government, right,
Speaker 5: But if you go back to our episode where I
Speaker 5: was talking about secret societies in college and in high school,
Speaker 5: you see that like eighty percent of the people coming
Speaker 5: from Ivy League schools or the secret societies end up
Speaker 5: being in government. And there's probably twenty percent, maybe ten
Speaker 5: percent that are good. But that doesn't matter because if
Speaker 5: you have ninety percent of the people that are going
Speaker 5: to be voting in our democracy that are all for
Speaker 5: evil or or have already sold their soul, if that
Speaker 5: makes sense, Yeah, then it doesn't matter about the ten
Speaker 5: percent that are good. And those people are there basically
Speaker 5: to hook us like hey guys, I'm gonna fight for you,
Speaker 5: and we're like, oh, there's still hope, but really there's not,
Speaker 5: because ninety percent of the people are already sold out to evil.
Speaker 5: If that makes sense.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think Trump pretty much. So many people had
Speaker 3: such high hopes for him when he got re elected.
Speaker 3: I myself was one of them. And you know, for
Speaker 3: a few months there, it looked like, yeah, Dad's back
Speaker 3: in the house. It's gonna be cool. And then boyle boy,
Speaker 3: did things just take a massive downtick And they have
Speaker 3: not checked out yet.
Speaker 6: I mean, I've said it a million times and I
Speaker 6: will always stand by this, that you don't get to
Speaker 6: a certain level of wealth or in the certain groups
Speaker 6: that you are without doing some heinous shit. Yeah, and
Speaker 6: that goes like across the board for every single person
Speaker 6: that is like the elite and above. I don't I
Speaker 6: particularly don't believe that there is any way. And even
Speaker 6: though I love a lot of the people and I
Speaker 6: follow people that have a lot of wealth that do
Speaker 6: quote unquote a lot of good. I do believe that
Speaker 6: they don't achieve this goal or this you know, a
Speaker 6: status unless they do something.
Speaker 3: So I mean, I've met billionaires that you wouldn't know
Speaker 3: their name if I told you. But that's because they
Speaker 3: started a business from the ground up. It was intech.
Speaker 3: They got to a level, they sold it off. But
Speaker 3: they're not, to your point, in a position of influence
Speaker 3: or power. Yeah they have wealth that yeah.
Speaker 4: Wealth is different.
Speaker 6: I'm talking about like when you're an influential role where
Speaker 6: you're somehow influencing either the market, you're influencing people. You're
Speaker 6: in the background influencing say vaccine, like the Prince of vaccines,
Speaker 6: Like nobody really knows him and noone's out going and
Speaker 6: talking about him. But if you actually look up their
Speaker 6: family and how they've been controlling vaccines and what they
Speaker 6: have their hands in, and who they're associated with and
Speaker 6: where they get their wealth from. These are people that
Speaker 6: I'm talking about. They're not just out here just doing
Speaker 6: the good old good. I'm not talking about because I
Speaker 6: used to win way back in the day when I
Speaker 6: was younger. I actually cleaned homes for millionaires. There's a
Speaker 6: hill in Oregon where like all the big rich live
Speaker 6: and I got introduced.
Speaker 4: Actually a basketball.
Speaker 6: Player with the Blazers was started up a maid service
Speaker 6: and I ended up getting in contact.
Speaker 4: It was a long story how that happened.
Speaker 6: But I started cleaning homes for the millionaires up there.
Speaker 6: Really interesting to be around that level of wealth when
Speaker 6: I mean I didn't come from like abject poverty, but
Speaker 6: to see the vast difference in the mindset when it
Speaker 6: comes to money and just it was it was very different.
Speaker 6: But I was I attended one of the parties that
Speaker 6: the I mainly cleaned for this one man, but he
Speaker 6: was insanely rich and he would travel all around the
Speaker 6: world and stuff, and I came and I pretty much
Speaker 6: was helping like keep the house clean as the party
Speaker 6: was going on, and I was just kind of listening
Speaker 6: to the stories of people that the way that they
Speaker 6: would talk to each other in about money and about
Speaker 6: what's happening globally and how they're the connections they had
Speaker 6: with people. It was just it was a totally different
Speaker 6: world than what we understand as just normal quote unquote
Speaker 6: normal people.
Speaker 1: It's a different caliber altogether.
Speaker 4: I mean, the they it didn't.
Speaker 6: He didn't blink an eye at spending five hundred k
Speaker 6: on this god awful painting. And then I made the mistaken.
Speaker 6: But they were talking about having this charity, and they
Speaker 6: were going to go to Washington, and they were gonna
Speaker 6: his friends and him were talking about how they were
Speaker 6: going to push their money towards a political party or
Speaker 6: a political person, and how they were going to get kickbacks,
Speaker 6: and they were going to be invited to this thing
Speaker 6: over seas and they were going to go do all
Speaker 6: and they were talking.
Speaker 4: About all of this stuff. And I just remember listening
Speaker 4: to it.
Speaker 6: And back then you're talking, I was seventeen eighteen, and
Speaker 6: so I didn't really care about the politics of things.
Speaker 6: I didn't really care about what I was hearing. But
Speaker 6: looking back, it was fascinating how even on their scale,
Speaker 6: because you got to understand, they're still low on the
Speaker 6: pecking order. You're talking millionaires, not billionaires, so they're low
Speaker 6: in the pecking order. And yeah, and so, but his
Speaker 6: company was one of the big tech companies, and so
Speaker 6: he would fly all over the seat, all over the seas,
Speaker 6: all over the world and sell this tech to people.
Speaker 6: And he would talk about stuff he would be on
Speaker 6: the phone and he had like five cell phones, and
Speaker 6: he would come back and I'd, you know, I'd be
Speaker 6: there when he was gone. I'd be there cleaning when
Speaker 6: he came back. Like I Sometimes he would show up
Speaker 6: and I'd be cleaning and stuff, and he would come
Speaker 6: in and have like different cell phones and he would
Speaker 6: be talking about in like four different languages about all stuff.
Speaker 4: He's actually Arabic.
Speaker 1: And this all and now makes sense. I'm gonna be
Speaker 1: honest with him.
Speaker 4: It was. It was really interesting.
Speaker 6: I had had conversations with him, and obviously I was young,
Speaker 6: and he just was like, you don't understand the world,
Speaker 6: because he was like in his early forties, and he's like,
Speaker 6: you don't understand how money works and how money corrupts
Speaker 6: people and what the world is really like. And I
Speaker 6: didn't really I didn't really like pay much mind to it.
Speaker 6: That painting that I was talking to you about. So
Speaker 6: he bought this ugly painting, right he put it up
Speaker 6: in his house and I didn't realize he was coming
Speaker 6: home and I had actually just gotten a cell phone,
Speaker 6: like you know, flip phone, and so I was talking
Speaker 6: shit to my girlfriend. I was like, you wouldn't believe
Speaker 6: how ugly this painting is, and this is worth like
Speaker 6: everyone I know's paycheck for like years. And I was
Speaker 6: talking mad shit about this and he was there and
Speaker 6: he heard me talking all this shit about this painting. No,
Speaker 6: he was like he walked up behind me, got scared
Speaker 6: the absolute shit out of me, and he was like,
Speaker 6: you really think this painting's ugly?
Speaker 4: And I was like, yes, yeah, I do, like really do.
Speaker 6: I was like, you could literally go down to the
Speaker 6: art museum, down a couple of blocks and go buy
Speaker 6: yourself an actual piece of like Renaissance painting, like you
Speaker 6: have the money to do this.
Speaker 4: Next day he sold the painting.
Speaker 5: Wow, m hmm.
Speaker 1: It was nothing to him, it was nothing.
Speaker 4: It was cheap money.
Speaker 6: He was just like five hundred and k whatever and
Speaker 6: he went and bought He actually did.
Speaker 4: End up buying some really beautiful artwork.
Speaker 3: But that's also how the wealthy elite hide their money,
Speaker 3: because when you buy art, that's a tax right off,
Speaker 3: and then when you sell it that's a whole other
Speaker 3: ride off.
Speaker 4: You had those really expensive.
Speaker 1: Eggs, oh, the Faberge eggs.
Speaker 6: So but he had like these ones that were one
Speaker 6: of them alone was in this It was in a
Speaker 6: three case thing and it had like a special lock
Speaker 6: on the top, and it was it was worth like
Speaker 6: one point four million dollars. Yeah, honestly, I've never The
Speaker 6: other stuff he had in his house was way cooler
Speaker 6: than this stupid egg.
Speaker 4: But this stupid egg was worth so much money. I
Speaker 4: actually had.
Speaker 6: It was a four story house, and I had to
Speaker 6: clean every floor on my hands and knees with water.
Speaker 6: And because he had bamboo flooring and he refused to
Speaker 6: let me use anything else, it took me twelve hours
Speaker 6: to clean that entire house.
Speaker 1: Why would you do bamboo when you have money like that?
Speaker 4: He was. He liked the way it looked like you
Speaker 4: never heard of that marble dog like Nope, he liked
Speaker 4: the way it looked.
Speaker 6: And the house was The house was gorgeous, and he
Speaker 6: consistently changed it up because he would entertain different people
Speaker 6: from around the world, which I thought was really interesting too.
Speaker 6: He would change the what he had out and what
Speaker 6: it looked like to fit whoever party, political, whatever it.
Speaker 4: Was that he was entertaining.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, and it was.
Speaker 6: It was a whole thing. And so that's where actually
Speaker 6: I had, like Don Perry on for the first time.
Speaker 6: He was like, oh, that's cheap shit, Like it's no
Speaker 6: big deal. You can keep He was like, you can
Speaker 6: have some and pop the bottle. And I was like, oh,
Speaker 6: you know, I'm over here, you know, working to be real,
Speaker 6: he I worked for like pennies on the dollar compared
Speaker 6: to what he could have paid me.
Speaker 4: And but he was very nice and he gave.
Speaker 6: Me lots of uh, like I got to try all
Speaker 6: sorts of different food from around the world. Is one
Speaker 6: girlfriend that he dated for a good bit was only
Speaker 6: like six years older than me, probably I could see it,
Speaker 6: and so like she would let me try on all
Speaker 6: her dresses, Like she was very sweet lady, and so
Speaker 6: like we were the same size. So I could try
Speaker 6: on like twenty five thousand dollars dresses that was like
Speaker 6: nothing to them, Oh my god, And I'm over.
Speaker 4: Here like like I don't want to break or damage anything.
Speaker 6: But it showed me a different perspective of how the
Speaker 6: wealthy live versus how the rest of us do, because
Speaker 6: they're in a whole different world.
Speaker 5: The Bible does talk also in the Geneva Bible. I
Speaker 5: was talking about that versus in Ephesians and actually mentions
Speaker 5: that not just principalities or against powers, but against worldly governors,
Speaker 5: and actually says it in the Geneva Bible, so not
Speaker 5: just like talking about principalities, but also worldly governors, you know,
Speaker 5: so basically the government. Right, So it's really interesting stuff.
Speaker 3: So I agree, And like you're talking about the principalities
Speaker 3: and we're talking about actual power, and wealth does equal
Speaker 3: power to a point point, but not always the case.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 3: There are wealthy people out there who are rich beyond
Speaker 3: our imagination, who have no they don't want to get
Speaker 3: involved in no politics. They're trying to make generational wealth
Speaker 3: for their great grandchildren, and like that's their whole goal.
Speaker 3: But to your point, and to your point, Josh, absolute
Speaker 3: power does corrupt absolutely. And when you get a person
Speaker 3: in politics or in some sort of governmental even if
Speaker 3: it's state government, even if it's local government, when you
Speaker 3: start throwing insane amounts of money at them, it been
Speaker 3: you can get them to bend to your will, because
Speaker 3: greed is one of the deadly sins. And especially when
Speaker 3: you get to a certain point, everybody's like, oh no,
Speaker 3: my morals are so strong, I would never It's like
Speaker 3: you have never looked ten billion green dollars in your
Speaker 3: face and then decided to walk away with your morals intact,
Speaker 3: like the reality of it.
Speaker 1: And these politicians li too, you know, oh for sure.
Speaker 5: When they catch you in a situation or they maybe
Speaker 5: the tempt you with some woman or they do this,
Speaker 5: and there's a lot of blackmail. Women are a seventeen
Speaker 5: year old or something like that and they catch you.
Speaker 5: There's blackmail and plus also the greed aspect. So you
Speaker 5: get yourself into a situation. But it's because you're pledging
Speaker 5: an oath to something. And once you pledge that oath,
Speaker 5: which the Bible speaks to not do pledge that oath,
Speaker 5: then you're held to that oath and heal to that standard.
Speaker 5: And you're not just pledging an oath I think physically.
Speaker 5: I think you're pledging an oath spiritually, right, So that's
Speaker 5: that's when you get yourself in deep water. So yeah,
Speaker 5: I think it's interesting. So yeah, good stuff. So that's
Speaker 5: interesting that the story that you told too as well,
Speaker 5: that when you were younger and you got to see
Speaker 5: that type of wealth and how they handle themselves, you know,
Speaker 5: and present themselves.
Speaker 6: It's it's definitely an interesting situation because not everyone was nice.
Speaker 4: Not everyone was kind like it was, you know, and.
Speaker 6: That some of the people treated the staff, I mean
Speaker 6: other and others like we were the scum of the
Speaker 6: earth for sure.
Speaker 4: Like it wasn't all of them.
Speaker 6: And he definitely did correct people when they treated us poorly.
Speaker 6: I will say he was a fantastic person to work for.
Speaker 6: But it was interesting to see how the dynamics worked,
Speaker 6: even with it within their class, because they treated each
Speaker 6: other sometimes poor, sometimes not.
Speaker 4: Like it was.
Speaker 3: You can tell the superficial ones, right. And that's the
Speaker 3: thing in LA. It's like social currency. It's not even
Speaker 3: like how much is in my bank account, but oh,
Speaker 3: I was partying with this person last weekend and two
Speaker 3: weeks ago I went to this person's party. And that's
Speaker 3: like a social currency that these people used as a
Speaker 3: status unto themselves.
Speaker 6: And there is there is really really good millionaires that
Speaker 6: do a lot of good for people. I think I've
Speaker 6: always wondered if there's a threshold though, Like if you
Speaker 6: have this much money, then you get shifted to the
Speaker 6: next level. Do you get approached by somebody, do you
Speaker 6: get oh, they get.
Speaker 3: Taped on the shoulder. It's I don't know if it's
Speaker 3: like five hundred million or what. But a certain point,
Speaker 3: when you have that much like income or that much assets,
Speaker 3: somebody comes knocks on your door and get it feels
Speaker 3: you out.
Speaker 1: There's no way that doesn't happen.
Speaker 4: I don't know, I don't know.
Speaker 6: I mean, then you got all the bunkers that the
Speaker 6: you know, the elites are making all over the world
Speaker 6: and stuff like that, and they're buying into it. I
Speaker 6: don't know if you've ever seen like some of those
Speaker 6: movies where they have like the giant underground places where
Speaker 6: all the elites had to buy in. They had to
Speaker 6: pay like, you know, an obscene amount of money to
Speaker 6: get a ticket for it.
Speaker 4: Mm hmm.
Speaker 5: It says in the Book of Revelation too that the
Speaker 5: that the basically the high the higher ups of the elites,
Speaker 5: they're gonna be placing themselves in mountains and because they're
Speaker 5: hiding from Jesus when he returns, right, so interestings about it,
Speaker 5: you know. So yeah, that's kind of what we're seeing
Speaker 5: is is these elites are going to be trying to
Speaker 5: do that. You know, they're trying to get away from
Speaker 5: the you know, God's wrath, right, but they can't hide
Speaker 5: obviously it's not gonna happen.
Speaker 6: Do you think that it's gonna like revelations is gonna
Speaker 6: happen within the next hundred years?
Speaker 3: Ooh, good question, because man, I'm all over the belief
Speaker 3: we are on borrowed time already. I don't see us
Speaker 3: living to twenty fifty. Hell, I don't even know if
Speaker 3: we'll see twenty third. But I also understand that I
Speaker 3: have a weird opinion on things. So what's you're taking.
Speaker 5: I mean, as you see, like the government is seeming
Speaker 5: like they're trying to either make it happen, like make
Speaker 5: prophecy happen, or a prophecy is just unfolding, or maybe
Speaker 5: that's the way it's gonna supposed to unfold. But you
Speaker 5: see that things that are heating up in certain areas
Speaker 5: like Israel and you know, and so certain things seem
Speaker 5: like they're getting close. But there's a different interpretation of
Speaker 5: that that the government's trying to create that, you know,
Speaker 5: and and they want to bring about the anti Christ
Speaker 5: and they're trying to do that. And if you if
Speaker 5: you kind of talk to someone like Gary Wayne, who's
Speaker 5: like a Christian conspiracy guy.
Speaker 1: Shout out to Gary Wayne.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Yeah, shout out to Gary Wayne, Like his perspective
Speaker 5: is that they're trying to bring that about. And actually
Speaker 5: these families, these royal families are trying to they want
Speaker 5: their son to be that position, they want their son
Speaker 5: to be the anti Christ, you know, and and they're
Speaker 5: trying to you know, they keep trying to formulate everything
Speaker 5: to try to bring that about like they want it
Speaker 5: to happen, you know, and that could be the way
Speaker 5: that it does unfold, or maybe God just has a
Speaker 5: different plan. So I'm the way that I think that
Speaker 5: we should handle this as Christians is I think we
Speaker 5: should continue to read the Bible, continue to read the Word,
Speaker 5: continue to spread the Gospel, and try to live as
Speaker 5: if Jesus is coming back tomorrow. You know. You just
Speaker 5: want to spread the gospel as much as you can
Speaker 5: and make sure that your life is in order, you know,
Speaker 5: the the best as possible, and try to get other
Speaker 5: people's lives in order, like as far as assisting them
Speaker 5: and to you know, following the Gospel, following the Bible.
Speaker 5: And I think that's what we should be doing. And
Speaker 5: I'm not going to be worried about when the revelation
Speaker 5: is happening now, tomorrow or the next day. I just
Speaker 5: want to make sure that I'm prepared, and then I'm
Speaker 5: assisting other peoples to be prepared for it.
Speaker 1: You know, I feel you sense.
Speaker 3: Now, let me ask you, because your opinion has shifted
Speaker 3: slightly over time. Do you believe the Antichrist is currently
Speaker 3: alive and walking the earth but may not know that
Speaker 3: he's the Antichrist just yet?
Speaker 5: Yet? It could be And that's a very good point.
Speaker 5: And a lot of people want to place the Antichrists
Speaker 5: on different characters like Donald Trump or like but it
Speaker 5: just certain things start start looking a certain way and
Speaker 5: then it ends up not being true. You know. Like,
Speaker 5: for example, like Donald Trump could have been in that
Speaker 5: position because his son Jared Kushner was actually he's Jewish, right,
Speaker 5: and he's going over to Israel and trying to build
Speaker 5: a third Temple and he's making blueprints. And there's things
Speaker 5: going on in the background that we just don't know about,
Speaker 5: you know. And there's people that are in power that
Speaker 5: actually are ruling these governments that we don't know. And
Speaker 5: there's invisible families that we don't know about. There's some
Speaker 5: families that are that are like that we do kind
Speaker 5: of get a little catch a little name here and
Speaker 5: there of them ruling. So I think there's just people
Speaker 5: in power that we just don't get to see or know.
Speaker 5: And the people that are like rich supposedly that we
Speaker 5: get to see, they're all just playing a part. Elon Musk,
Speaker 5: you know, he's he's got yeah, he's got billions of dollars.
Speaker 5: But there's people that have trillions of dollars I think
Speaker 5: that are really ruling things, you know. So, but he
Speaker 5: could be alive. There's some people that believe that, like
Speaker 5: like this guy Ryan Pitterson, he he believes that that
Speaker 5: that seed that's spoken about in Genesis three fifteen that's
Speaker 5: talking about that Satan seed is gonna bruise sorry, that
Speaker 5: her her seed meaning Eve's seed, is gonna bruise his
Speaker 5: heel right, his seed. Right. So there's a there's like
Speaker 5: a seed war that's going on, you know. And I
Speaker 5: think that some people believe that that that the devil's
Speaker 5: gonna have a literal child, like the Devil's gonna go
Speaker 5: into a woman like in Genesis six, and then there's
Speaker 5: gonna be a literal child being born that is of
Speaker 5: Jewish descent, that's gonna be the anti Christ, some people
Speaker 5: believe the anti crisis, and there's different thoughts kraind of
Speaker 5: thoughts on it. I'll just put it that way, if
Speaker 5: that makes sense.
Speaker 3: There's a lot of literary references that people make to
Speaker 3: where it's like, you gotta keep in mind, the Savior
Speaker 3: of the world was conceived when an angel whispered in
Speaker 3: Mary's ear. The devil is gonna do something similar to
Speaker 3: make the Antichrist happen, but he's probably gonna go for
Speaker 3: a little, uh, a little more carnal knowledge.
Speaker 1: It is the devil after all.
Speaker 3: And it's like, Okay, I could see, I could see
Speaker 3: where you would draw these comparisons. I don't actually know that.
Speaker 3: I don't know if it's gonna be a guy who
Speaker 3: is born of the right family and then one day
Speaker 3: gets possessed by the spirit of the Antichrist, or like
Speaker 3: you said, there's different versions of different variants of this.
Speaker 3: So you're not saying that you believe that, yes, the
Speaker 3: guy who is the Antichrist walking the earth.
Speaker 1: You're saying that it's possible.
Speaker 5: It is possible, of course, yeah, and it's possible. It
Speaker 5: depends on what your eschatology is. You know, Satan's Little
Speaker 5: Season people would say the Antichrist already came went, and
Speaker 5: that the next step would be like, you know, the
Speaker 5: war happening like against Israel and then God's sending fire
Speaker 5: from heaven. I mean, there's this, There's a bunch of
Speaker 5: different eschatologies out there. It just depends on what your
Speaker 5: take is, you know, And I'm honestly, I'm a little
Speaker 5: bit open right now. I'm not like stuck on one eschatology.
Speaker 5: So if I was stuck on my old, you know,
Speaker 5: seven year tribulation type thought, then I would say, the
Speaker 5: Antichrist is alive and ready to go, and the seven
Speaker 5: year tribulations come in soon. But I'm just kind of
Speaker 5: too open to it right now. I need to restudy
Speaker 5: the Bible, yeah, and kind of get my footing there,
Speaker 5: because I kind of lost my footing, if that.
Speaker 1: Makes sense now. I feel you.
Speaker 3: I'm of the belief that the Temple is going to
Speaker 3: be rebuilt a third time. And I understand that there's
Speaker 3: people the Stan Satan's Little Season crowd that will say
Speaker 3: that we are the temple, right, we are the body,
Speaker 3: our bodies are the Temple. We are the third Temple
Speaker 3: that's already been rebuilt in all these things. However, if
Speaker 3: the Antichrist is gonna come into the third rebuilt Temple
Speaker 3: and commit the act of defamation, you're telling me that
Speaker 3: the Antichrist is gonna go within me and within you,
Speaker 3: and within all Christendom and equally at the same time.
Speaker 3: To this, like, I don't personally believe that, respect to
Speaker 3: those that do get down with that, but I have
Speaker 3: of the belief that the Temple is gonna be rebuilt
Speaker 3: a third time. And then it's like, all right, at
Speaker 3: that point, all bets are off pretty much. And I
Speaker 3: understand that people with their own eschatology beliefs will, you know,
Speaker 3: feel one way or another on that.
Speaker 1: That's fine.
Speaker 3: But like he said, when you look at the political
Speaker 3: climate of the world and you look at what Israel
Speaker 3: has been trying to do, they got the red Heifer's
Speaker 3: They are currently training Cohen priests that are of the
Speaker 3: Levite bloodline to do the things to consecrate the ground,
Speaker 3: to rebuild the temple and do the sacrifices, and do
Speaker 3: all the things that hasn't happened in the last two
Speaker 3: thousand years of human history, and right now in our lifetime,
Speaker 3: we happen to be here and now when this is
Speaker 3: going down.
Speaker 1: I don't think that's a coincidence.
Speaker 6: Do you think it's just man men trying to force
Speaker 6: the hand of this and that like potentially it's going
Speaker 6: to not cause anything that you know, he's decided when
Speaker 6: it's going to happen, because it doesn't say like we'll
Speaker 6: never know the time, date and all that it does.
Speaker 4: So what if what if they are just trying to
Speaker 4: i e. The elites or whatever are trying to push.
Speaker 6: Forward this and it gets stopped or whatever happens because
Speaker 6: it's not the time.
Speaker 1: So I hear you and I don't. I agree and disagree.
Speaker 3: So are there political elites of the world that are
Speaker 3: absolutely trying to bring this up? About these ESCA I
Speaker 3: don't want to call them eschatologist because that's the study
Speaker 3: of the basically the doom crowd that like they want
Speaker 3: to bring on the end times? That group exists absolutely.
Speaker 6: Why would they want that though? If they're the ruling
Speaker 6: class and they're ruling everything, why would they want to
Speaker 6: bring about the end time?
Speaker 3: I think that they are being steered by principalities of darkness.
Speaker 3: I don't believe that they I don't think they see
Speaker 3: like you know what, I'm just four horsemen come about
Speaker 3: during the well during the breaking of the Seven Seals
Speaker 3: book of Revelation, which is, depending on your interpretations, might
Speaker 3: be after the rapture, it might be before.
Speaker 6: Before the rapture at least, because I would argue that
Speaker 6: famine is already here if I was gonna because of
Speaker 6: the biggest famine that we're having right now. Sure, if
Speaker 6: I was to believe, I would say that famine has
Speaker 6: been here, that is here.
Speaker 3: Correctly, We've had famines worse than this throughout the course
Speaker 3: of human history.
Speaker 4: Technically Somalia is having one of the worst.
Speaker 1: Sure, but that's a country.
Speaker 4: Like there is actually multip countries that are involved in.
Speaker 1: This, but it's not a worldwide famine.
Speaker 5: True, true, all right, So the scariest part of Revelation
Speaker 5: for for everybody that's a helial centrist, should be the
Speaker 5: sixth Seal. Because of the sixth Seal, there's a giant
Speaker 5: earthquake and all the stars fall to the earth. So
Speaker 5: since we know that stars, we think that stars are
Speaker 5: bigger than our sun, then we should be worried about
Speaker 5: that more than famine, because uh yeah, from my from
Speaker 5: my point of view, stars fall into the earth. Would
Speaker 5: be all the moon, Sun, of the stars are within
Speaker 5: the firmament and the stars could fall to the earth.
Speaker 5: That's possible. But can you imagine if they are big
Speaker 5: balls of gas that are bigger than the sun and
Speaker 5: all the stars fall to the earth destructive.
Speaker 6: I don't even think most I don't even think people
Speaker 6: would survive, just even like half the stuff. So there,
Speaker 6: how it would be seven years, like it.
Speaker 4: Can be anybody that survives it pretty much.
Speaker 1: People in the mountains get stars.
Speaker 5: Are actually imagine if all the stars are actually angels
Speaker 5: and then they fall to the earth. So then that's
Speaker 5: a different point of view. That would be like a
Speaker 5: biblical cosmology point of view.
Speaker 6: I don't remember this, but do you have to be
Speaker 6: baptized to be able to go to heaven? Because like
Speaker 6: in the church, the one church I grew up in,
Speaker 6: they were like, you ain't getting to heaven unless you're baptized,
Speaker 6: and like the whole church had to be baptized.
Speaker 3: There's a there's a debate on this one because if
Speaker 3: you look at the guy on the cross next to Jesus,
Speaker 3: he made it to heaven and never got baptized. Right,
Speaker 3: But at the same time Jesus told people to get baptized,
Speaker 3: Paul told people to get baptized. It's not a it's
Speaker 3: not a catch point. But at the same time, it
Speaker 3: is something that you are supposed to do to show
Speaker 3: your outward expression of your faithfulness and devotion to God
Speaker 3: and to following his.
Speaker 6: What if you're baptized and then walk away from the
Speaker 6: faith but not like fully so that work.
Speaker 1: It's see, that's a whole other dogument.
Speaker 5: So so like yeah, yeah, so what Jacob said is correct.
Speaker 5: So there's there's a thief on the cross and he
Speaker 5: I remember, he repents and then Jesus says, you will
Speaker 5: be with me in Paradise today. Right, So that's that's
Speaker 5: it trusting thing that happened, and I think it is
Speaker 5: an outward expression. And and what happens is some people
Speaker 5: would feel like, you know what, I can live my
Speaker 5: life however I want, as long as I get baptized.
Speaker 5: You see, That's that's what happens with that. It's like
Speaker 5: a work based thing, and it's kind of like as
Speaker 5: long as I'm baptized, I'm safe, so I'm good. And
Speaker 5: that happens a lot with people where they're like they're like,
Speaker 5: do you think it Do you think that your father
Speaker 5: went to heaven. Yeah, he was baptized as a baby
Speaker 5: in the Catholic Church. Of course he's in heaven, you know,
Speaker 5: and that that's a problem. Yeah, that's not the way
Speaker 5: it goes, you know. It's it's really about we're saved
Speaker 5: by grace through faith, and then it says it's it's
Speaker 5: a gift from God, uh, not by works and and
Speaker 5: and if you're getting baptized, that's something that's getting saved
Speaker 5: by works. But there's definitely different discussions on this, and
Speaker 5: Jacob is correct, there's different interpretations of it.
Speaker 3: And as far as those that walk away though, that's
Speaker 3: that's another thing too.
Speaker 1: I don't believe that you can be unadopted.
Speaker 5: So that's you feel like once saved always say it.
Speaker 1: I feel like there's nuances and levels to it.
Speaker 3: If I was going to oversimplify it, then yes, But
Speaker 3: at the same time, I don't believe, like, for instance,
Speaker 3: if you're somebody who gets saved like as an adult
Speaker 3: and like you are fully in the faith, not somebody
Speaker 3: who went to Bible services as a kid and the
Speaker 3: God baptized like as an adult past the age of ignorance.
Speaker 3: You made the decision to walk by faith cool, and
Speaker 3: then somewhere along the way you decide that you know what, actually,
Speaker 3: Satan's kind of cool. And I don't mean just like
Speaker 3: walk away and just live a neutral, earthly life. I
Speaker 3: mean somebody who's like actively going and doing like necromancy
Speaker 3: and magic with a K and shit like that. I
Speaker 3: don't know how God's going to fall on that, because
Speaker 3: I also believe that once you are adopted into his family,
Speaker 3: you're adopted into his family.
Speaker 1: It's very similar to the prodigal son.
Speaker 3: Right, he went off and did everything wrong, and when
Speaker 3: the time came, his dad got up and ran to
Speaker 3: him and wasn't hearing about like you've done this, you've
Speaker 3: done this, Like I don't care. You're here now and
Speaker 3: you're my son. But that's the thing. He came back.
Speaker 3: He didn't die living in squalid right.
Speaker 5: So I'm saying that story is he came back, and
Speaker 5: that's showing you that God God gives you grace, and
Speaker 5: then when you come back, He's gonna love you with
Speaker 5: open arms and even sometimes more love you more than
Speaker 5: the person that's walk with them their whole life, because
Speaker 5: you got the tastes and you got to taste that
Speaker 5: party life. You got to taste that drinking, that process
Speaker 5: to whatever you're involved in, you know, and then you
Speaker 5: came back to me. And that's why he's he loves
Speaker 5: you with open arms.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 5: That's the prodigal son story. But there's things in the
Speaker 5: Bible that you can do to lose your salvation. For example,
Speaker 5: like if you do blasphemy of the Holy Spirit, that's
Speaker 5: something that you could lose your salvation. Also, if you
Speaker 5: get the mark of the Beast, it says that you
Speaker 5: were a race from the Book of Life. Yeah, so
Speaker 5: if you are saved your whole entire life and then
Speaker 5: you get tested for the Mark of the Beast and
Speaker 5: then you're like I'll take it, then then you know
Speaker 5: there is a way to lose your salvation. But I
Speaker 5: think that Jacob, you make a good point. But there's
Speaker 5: people that you know, it's I think denouncing the faith
Speaker 5: or denouncing Jesus would be blasting the Holy Spirit. So
Speaker 5: there's a way I think you can lose your faith.
Speaker 5: That's even though that you're lose your salvation, if that
Speaker 5: makes sense. But it's a it's a tough road. Like
Speaker 5: when you get saved. It's not like you're just like
Speaker 5: all right, now, everything's easy for now on I think
Speaker 5: there's a bigger target on your back and you, oh,
Speaker 5: you can't have it, especially if you're doing a podcast
Speaker 5: like us or you know, you're talking about God on
Speaker 5: a podcast and you're you're using it for influence. Now
Speaker 5: the devil is like God, look at him.
Speaker 1: Oh dude, this guy.
Speaker 3: Even aside from podcasting, you know, I know dudes that
Speaker 3: they you know, found Christ later in life and they
Speaker 3: dive into the word and at that moment everything starts
Speaker 3: falling down around them in their life.
Speaker 1: And it's like, I thought this was supposed to be good.
Speaker 1: Why is everything so hard?
Speaker 3: It's like, oh, brother, no, God told you to carry
Speaker 3: a strap daily. He told you to put on your armor.
Speaker 3: He didn't tell you to do that to go be
Speaker 3: a gardener. He told you that because you're stepping into
Speaker 3: a warfare. You thought, like, real shit, you thought being
Speaker 3: a Christian was going to be easy. Oh no, no,
Speaker 3: everything's about to go wrong for you. And that's a
Speaker 3: sign that you're doing the right thing. And I know
Speaker 3: that sounds counterintuitive, but that is that's how this works.
Speaker 3: Because the devil is pissed and he's trying to do
Speaker 3: things to dissuade you from the path, and that's.
Speaker 5: Wants to bring you back no matter what he has
Speaker 5: to do. It like really lightly, it just tap you into,
Speaker 5: you know, compromising or putting you into a scenario. Sometimes
Speaker 5: you feel like a full spiritual attack. Sometimes you just
Speaker 5: get lightly tapped and you start compromising your faith and
Speaker 5: then you realize it and go, wow, what am I doing?
Speaker 5: You know, it's very sneaky, subtle. You know, he's like
Speaker 5: a roaring lion waiting to pounce sometimes where he's about
Speaker 5: to attack you, or he's just like this little guy
Speaker 5: that's just kind of pushing you into compromising, you know.
Speaker 5: So it's it's a hard battle, you know, and it's
Speaker 5: not easy at all, and it's not easy to even
Speaker 5: stand your ground when you're around your your friends that
Speaker 5: you used to hang out with and or your brother
Speaker 5: or your people where everybody's drinking and partying and you're
Speaker 5: just like, oh no, I'm good and they're just like
Speaker 5: they start feeling some type of way about you, like
Speaker 5: why what's you think you're better than us? It's it's hard,
Speaker 5: but you have.
Speaker 6: A question about that actually about what do you believe
Speaker 6: that alcohol is like a gateway into allowing like demonic
Speaker 6: Because I've heard this argument quite a bit that that
Speaker 6: it pretty much opens you up for demonic I guess entities,
Speaker 6: warfare or in question.
Speaker 5: There's no question at all that I think that one
Speaker 5: hundred percent it does. Now, if you drink a glass
Speaker 5: of wine with your wife at night, right, and and
Speaker 5: then you guys relax together and you watch a movie
Speaker 5: and you have fun, that's that's different. But when you
Speaker 5: open yourself, the way you open yourself up is you
Speaker 5: start you start getting drunk. That's why the Bible says
Speaker 5: not to be a drunkard, because what happens is you
Speaker 5: get drunk. And that's why they're called spirits. Even see
Speaker 5: that a liquor stores, sometimes it's called they're called spirits
Speaker 5: because that's what I believe is happening. You're you're inviting
Speaker 5: a spirit to come in, and the Holy Spirit's protecting you,
Speaker 5: you know the best that the Holy Spirit can. But
Speaker 5: as you drink and drink and drink, I think that
Speaker 5: that you kind of do open yourself up to an
Speaker 5: entity because it's suppressing. You can get so drunk that
Speaker 5: you're just walking around doing things for five hours and
Speaker 5: you don't remember a thing because that's not you, that's
Speaker 5: something else operating in you. So I do believe that
Speaker 5: it does. And the same thing with drugs like methaphetamine, cocaine,
Speaker 5: all these different drugs, they open you up to a
Speaker 5: different realm. And you could see that when someone does
Speaker 5: like meth, for example, you could be a normal guy,
Speaker 5: super nice to everybody, loving, and then you start doing meth,
Speaker 5: and then you start doing fraud and pornography and you know,
Speaker 5: doing things that you would never do normally. So it
Speaker 5: does open you up to different temptations, if that makes sense.
Speaker 5: Now does a spirit literally take over your body? I
Speaker 5: don't know about that, but I just think that you
Speaker 5: are allowing something else to take over that is not you,
Speaker 5: you know. So the Bible does warnt against drunking drunkardness,
Speaker 5: but the Bible doesn't tell you don't drink alcohol at all,
Speaker 5: you know, if sometimes you know you need to relax,
Speaker 5: and you know you just need to and I don't
Speaker 5: drink it all though, that's only because I had problems
Speaker 5: with drugs and alcohol in the past, you know. And
Speaker 5: I'm not saying I was an alcoholic, but I know what
Speaker 5: it does to me. So for me, I just think
Speaker 5: I make way better decisions. I can drive from point
Speaker 5: A to point B with no problem. I have my
Speaker 5: kids in the car. I don't want to have any
Speaker 5: alcohol in my system whatsoever. And I just want to
Speaker 5: represent God any way I can. Now. If I was
Speaker 5: over at my brother's house, for example, right, and he
Speaker 5: had all those coworkers there who do listen to this,
Speaker 5: to my show, and they saw me getting drunk, cussing,
Speaker 5: being all that, then they're gonna look at me a
Speaker 5: different way, you know, like they're gonna they're gonna be like, oh,
Speaker 5: why you Is this how you are normally? You know,
Speaker 5: I can't do that because now I'm representing God in
Speaker 5: a way, if that makes sense. And yeah, I want
Speaker 5: to make sure that I'm representing him the proper way.
Speaker 5: And I'm not saying that if you're a Christian and
Speaker 5: you drink, you're not representing him. But I think I'm
Speaker 5: in a different zone because I'm doing Bible studies and
Speaker 5: I have to make sure that I'm not like a hypocrite,
Speaker 5: if that makes sense.
Speaker 6: Sure, I heard that, and I don't know, and I
Speaker 6: think We've actually talked about this before the wedding situation.
Speaker 3: Where Jesus turned water into wine. So okay, looking at
Speaker 3: the traditional translation, there is no differentiating between juice and
Speaker 3: wine in the Hebrew language. So I've heard some people
Speaker 3: say that Jesus turned the water into really fancy juice,
Speaker 3: and I'm like, big dog, this was a wedding party.
Speaker 4: They actually drank more wine than they did water.
Speaker 1: Well it was a lot weaker, yeah it is.
Speaker 6: But they you know, they didn't really realize that they
Speaker 6: needed to drink more water than wine back in the day.
Speaker 6: I mean, they drink wine like NonStop pretty much everybody.
Speaker 3: But to Josh's point, and I agree with you one
Speaker 3: hundred percent, I don't believe that it expressly tells you
Speaker 3: not to drink alcohol or not to consume certain things that, yes,
Speaker 3: if done to a further extent, can kill you. How
Speaker 3: you can drink water to the point of drowning on
Speaker 3: dry land, you can eat yourself to death, you can
Speaker 3: drink yourself to death. However, food is not bad, water
Speaker 3: is not bad. Wine is not bad. It says to
Speaker 3: not let your mind be as the ocean. It basically
Speaker 3: means do your thing, but do it within the realm
Speaker 3: of acceptable behavior.
Speaker 1: Don't go too crazy with it.
Speaker 3: If you can feel yourself getting a little bit of
Speaker 3: a buzz, maybe put the glass down and maybe like
Speaker 3: that's that's where you chill, and that's that The problem
Speaker 3: a lot of people have that they're like, oh, I
Speaker 3: got a little buzz, Well we need to just ramp
Speaker 3: that buzz up.
Speaker 1: Let's keep going.
Speaker 3: And it's like, see we got We have to fight
Speaker 3: our human nature and keep ourselves accountable, and a lot
Speaker 3: of people are really really bad at that. No judgment
Speaker 3: from me for the record, I people know my struggles,
Speaker 3: but my point is that we it's okay to have
Speaker 3: a cocktail, right, It's okay to have a couple of
Speaker 3: beers with your buddies. It's okay to have a glass
Speaker 3: of wine. But like, every person's different. One glass of
Speaker 3: wine does not hit this person the same way hits
Speaker 3: this person. So it's a it's a case by case
Speaker 3: and a person by person. But yeah, we are supposed
Speaker 3: to keep ourselves accountable to a higher standard that we
Speaker 3: put on ourselves for God.
Speaker 1: And for ourselves.
Speaker 3: Right, Like your kids are never gonna benefit from seeing
Speaker 3: you puking your guts up at night because you drink
Speaker 3: too much. That's never gonna be a good thing for
Speaker 3: them to look back and remember it's there. There's levels
Speaker 3: to this, yeah, because.
Speaker 5: They're gonna tell them I don't want you to drink,
Speaker 5: and then they're like, well, you drink all the time,
Speaker 5: you know, so it's hard for you to to But
Speaker 5: also what I would say, you had a good point.
Speaker 5: Let me think what I was saying. Oh, if you
Speaker 5: talk to somebody that actually has had problems with alcohol,
Speaker 5: they will tell you that there is a strong, demonic
Speaker 5: hold that alcohol can have on you, and it is
Speaker 5: the worst. The reason why is because there's alcohol. You
Speaker 5: could find a liquor store on every corner. So it's
Speaker 5: the easiest thing when you have an issue with to
Speaker 5: actually take over your life and have a stronghold on
Speaker 5: you because it is available, readily available. When you're trying
Speaker 5: to like when you're doing drugs, like you know, cocaine
Speaker 5: or like meth, then you have to go out and
Speaker 5: find it, and you have to go find a dealer.
Speaker 5: Sometimes the dealer gets busted or something, so now you're
Speaker 5: trying to find a dealer and it's hard. But now
Speaker 5: you've got dealers on every single corner that openly will
Speaker 5: sell it to you, no matter what you know. And
Speaker 5: also there's bars all over the place as well, and
Speaker 5: I think what they're so they would tell you, like
Speaker 5: I've heard talked alcoholics talk to me and tell me
Speaker 5: that that it is a strong, demonic hold, and they
Speaker 5: look at alcohol totally different than someone like Jacob Er
Speaker 5: or like someone like me or my friends would look
Speaker 5: at alcohol, you know, because it is just demonic and
Speaker 5: it takes over your life and you have to have
Speaker 5: a drink or you're shaking or the come down. Sometimes
Speaker 5: one out of four people die from it. So it
Speaker 5: can become a really powerful stimulant and take over.
Speaker 6: I've spent many, many many years in uh in a
Speaker 6: in aa uh.
Speaker 4: I have not myself.
Speaker 6: My my father was a recovering drug addict and alcoholic,
Speaker 6: and he he would go decade without having a relapse,
Speaker 6: and then suddenly he would have a relapse and then
Speaker 6: he would struggle for you know a few years, and
Speaker 6: then you know, so we spend a lot of time
Speaker 6: doing that.
Speaker 4: And I've been to you and then one of my.
Speaker 6: Ex has actually had a lot of issues, and so
Speaker 6: I spent a lot of time in circles and doing
Speaker 6: you know, going and listening to people's stories. I find
Speaker 6: it really interesting because when a lot of people end
Speaker 6: up in AA, they end up turning towards some type
Speaker 6: of Abrahamic religion, depending on what it is.
Speaker 1: Well, the twelve steps are based out of the.
Speaker 6: Bible, yes, I do know that, and they even a
Speaker 6: lot of the churches actually host AA and NA things.
Speaker 6: But it was an interesting thing to listen to people
Speaker 6: and kind of their stories and how they felt about it,
Speaker 6: or a lot of people would talk about being possessed
Speaker 6: and like they felt possessed, they didn't recognize themselves, they
Speaker 6: didn't realize they didn't the person that they became was
Speaker 6: something completely different than they who they really are, And
Speaker 6: it depended on the level and severity of their addiction
Speaker 6: and how hard.
Speaker 4: It is to break.
Speaker 6: And so it's it's definitely a challenge when it comes
Speaker 6: to those type of things. I mean, hell, porn addiction,
Speaker 6: I think with I think that actually topples.
Speaker 4: I think that is the most addictive thing on this planet.
Speaker 4: It's born.
Speaker 3: I was literally just about to say, sin feels like
Speaker 3: freedom until you try to stop.
Speaker 1: And that could be alcoholic, could be drugs could be whatever.
Speaker 3: If I've had when I was like a heavy drinker,
Speaker 3: I had someone even presents to me like that. It's like,
Speaker 3: so you don't consue yourself an alcoholic And I'm like no,
Speaker 3: They're like, okay, go on drink, just just to do it,
Speaker 3: just to see because you're not an alcoholic and you
Speaker 3: don't need it. You just said so, so prove it
Speaker 3: to me. Just just go a month without a drink.
Speaker 3: That was so fucking hard for me, and I was like, Okay,
Speaker 3: perhaps perhaps Jacob has a problem, and perhaps Jacob needs
Speaker 3: to get get the reins on that. And it's the
Speaker 3: same thing for drug addicts or porn addicts, like, okay,
Speaker 3: do you think you're not addicted to porn?
Speaker 1: Go go a week without watching it.
Speaker 4: Just just prove it to yourself whole week.
Speaker 3: And it's like yo, sin feels like free, dumb until
Speaker 3: you try to stop, but then you realize what end
Speaker 3: of the dog leash you're currently attached to.
Speaker 6: It takes a lot to stop any type of addiction.
Speaker 6: And it's not just you know, it could be all
Speaker 6: those things, but it's also there's people that have food addictions.
Speaker 4: There's people that have gym addictions.
Speaker 6: Like even when it's something that's so like inconspicuous, it's
Speaker 6: something you know, it's taking your time away from everything else.
Speaker 4: Phone addiction is a huge thing, huge, huge. I mean,
Speaker 4: my god. People are so addicted to the phones.
Speaker 6: And then as adults we're like, we're not addicted, but
Speaker 6: we carry that phone around like.
Speaker 4: A leash everywhere we go. We won't forget the phone.
Speaker 6: A lot of people have forgotten their kids in their cars,
Speaker 6: but they won't forget that cell phone.
Speaker 4: Yeah, which is insane, it.
Speaker 5: Is, that's so very true. So, yeah, we're coming up
Speaker 5: on almost where my kids are gonna come downstairs. I
Speaker 5: can hear them.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, they're like, yeah, they're waiting.
Speaker 5: So well, Hey man, I love you guys. Man, I
Speaker 5: really appreciate you, Raven. It's it's very nice to meet you.
Speaker 4: Nice to meet you too.
Speaker 5: And I know you guys are gonna do well, and
Speaker 5: thank you. Whether Jonathan comes back or not, I know
Speaker 5: that you guys will do great. And I hope that
Speaker 5: everything goes well for you guys, you know, and I
Speaker 5: appreciate everything, and thank you Jacob for even inviting me
Speaker 5: to do Bible studies in the first place, you know.
Speaker 5: And Jonathan, thank you if he listens to this, because man,
Speaker 5: what a what a crazy thing that it ended up
Speaker 5: just happening all the way till now, you know, and
Speaker 5: it's still rolling. So it's it's a blessing man. Thank
Speaker 5: you so much, family too, Thank.
Speaker 1: You absolutely brother.
Speaker 3: So Josh, for anybody who may not have heard of
Speaker 3: you and for some reason they're on the CULD to conspiracy,
Speaker 3: but don't listen to your Bible studies on the Sundays
Speaker 3: and Wednesdays, where can they find you? Plug the socials,
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Speaker 5: Yeah. So Josh Monday Underscore podcast is my Instagram and
Speaker 5: then my show is Josh Monday Music and Podcast on YouTube,
Speaker 5: and then Josh Monday Christian Conspiracy Podcast. You can kind
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Speaker 5: the Bible studies that I've been doing on could Conspiracy,
Speaker 5: and then I'm also releasing the interviews I'm doing here
Speaker 5: and there with other people, you know. So I'm still
Speaker 5: doing interviews for other shows like i'm doing here. So yeah,
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Speaker 3: Here will get you in the videos, the footage, the
Speaker 3: ad free listening, all the stuff, and some behind the
Speaker 3: scenes clips that we're actually we're actually way more active
Speaker 3: on Patreon now than we've probably ever been.
Speaker 6: I did want to say though, really quick before we forgot.
Speaker 6: We do have a new book club we are starting
Speaker 6: is called the Hit Chapter.
Speaker 4: We're super pumped. I'm super pumped.
Speaker 6: It's my little pet project, and we selected the name.
Speaker 6: We are currently adding the list together of the different books,
Speaker 6: and what we're going to do is is we're going
Speaker 6: to have like a little bowl where I put all
Speaker 6: the names in and I'm going to do a live
Speaker 6: polling and we're going to start with whatever book first,
Speaker 6: and we're gonna there's a different stuff. I kind of
Speaker 6: laid it out on the Patreon you'll see the five
Speaker 6: dollars tier does get you in, and then we'll have
Speaker 6: a live which is for the third die all the
Speaker 6: way Open tier, and we will be doing a live
Speaker 6: probably I think I said it once a week. I'll
Speaker 6: have to look back, but once a week or a
Speaker 6: couple times a month where we come on and we
Speaker 6: discuss the actual chapters.
Speaker 4: That we're doing.
Speaker 6: And so we're going to do a wide range of books.
Speaker 6: It's not just going to be solely one thing. It's
Speaker 6: pretty much everything in between that is associated with conspiracies.
Speaker 6: So yeah, come and join us. We're gonna have a
Speaker 6: good time doing this. So we're gonna do twelve books
Speaker 6: in a year. We also are going to be doing
Speaker 6: a stamp. I'm currently getting the packages together right now,
Speaker 6: and so we're gonna be doing stickers for every month.
Speaker 6: We'll have stickers, and we're gonna be doing a special
Speaker 6: sticker as well, and we'll have a special sticker just for.
Speaker 4: The book club so you can collect all twelve.
Speaker 3: I love it, and like Raven just said, if you
Speaker 3: want to join for that third Eye, all the way
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Speaker 3: amazing things of the book club, but you'll get to
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