WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.160 --> 00:00:01.639 Oh, bed of that, sar. 2 00:00:42.920 --> 00:00:43.079 Oh. 3 00:00:45.159 --> 00:00:48.759 Hello, and welcome to the show. This is the Cult 4 00:00:49.039 --> 00:00:51.119 of Conspiracy and I am the Cage to night. 5 00:00:51.200 --> 00:00:51.640 I'm raving. 6 00:00:52.000 --> 00:00:53.640 And today we bring on. 7 00:00:53.399 --> 00:00:57.320 One of our bestest homies, one of our most DeVault affiliates. 8 00:00:57.359 --> 00:01:00.119 You know them, you love them, Josh Monday. Welcome to 9 00:01:00.159 --> 00:01:00.439 the show. 10 00:01:00.479 --> 00:01:02.479 Brother, Thank you, bro, thank. 11 00:01:02.280 --> 00:01:04.159 You, thank you for having me. And it was a 12 00:01:04.200 --> 00:01:06.280 short notice that to have me on. But I'll do 13 00:01:06.359 --> 00:01:07.879 like I said, man, I'm down to ite to work 14 00:01:07.920 --> 00:01:10.159 with you guys anytime. So I appreciate you having me on. Man, 15 00:01:10.200 --> 00:01:10.519 thank you. 16 00:01:10.680 --> 00:01:12.680 I appreciate you coming on so early in the morning 17 00:01:12.680 --> 00:01:14.040 for those that don't know, because y'all are going to 18 00:01:14.079 --> 00:01:16.040 be listening to this whenever you listen. Right now it 19 00:01:16.159 --> 00:01:19.519 is seven forty five hour time, five forty five his time, 20 00:01:20.000 --> 00:01:22.799 and we're like, hey, brother, you freed tomorrow. He's like, y'all, 21 00:01:23.000 --> 00:01:25.480 y'all feel about the early morning. I mean like, all right, 22 00:01:25.519 --> 00:01:27.599 we'll make it happen. We are down because we're trying 23 00:01:27.640 --> 00:01:31.079 to pump out multiple episodes today, three. 24 00:01:31.079 --> 00:01:33.920 Back to back. Today we are pumping out. So yeah, 25 00:01:34.000 --> 00:01:35.799 we got a lot of content to shoot today. 26 00:01:35.920 --> 00:01:36.599 It's a work day. 27 00:01:36.760 --> 00:01:36.959 Wow. 28 00:01:37.079 --> 00:01:39.480 Yeah, on a Saturday of holiday. 29 00:01:39.640 --> 00:01:40.359 It'd be like that. 30 00:01:41.159 --> 00:01:43.359 But uh but yeah, man, how's everything been going on 31 00:01:43.439 --> 00:01:44.959 your neck of the woods? 32 00:01:44.959 --> 00:01:46.719 Been going good? Be going good? Like I said, I 33 00:01:47.159 --> 00:01:49.519 put a lot more effort into the Bible studies than 34 00:01:49.719 --> 00:01:53.599 my conspiracy right now show. But it's okay. It's it's 35 00:01:53.640 --> 00:01:55.359 doing great, and like I said, it's affecting a lot 36 00:01:55.359 --> 00:01:58.959 of people and hopefully your audience is enjoying it. I 37 00:01:59.000 --> 00:02:01.000 get to see the comment on there, and I don't 38 00:02:01.000 --> 00:02:03.159 know the statistics or anything and how many people are watching, 39 00:02:03.200 --> 00:02:06.840 but I just enjoy breaking down the Bible for people, 40 00:02:06.920 --> 00:02:09.759 you know, and God kind of basically what he did, 41 00:02:09.759 --> 00:02:12.560 I think with you know, through you guys, is I 42 00:02:12.639 --> 00:02:14.520 used to sprinkle the Bible a little bit, and then 43 00:02:14.520 --> 00:02:16.159 I would do a lot of conspiracy stuff, right, so 44 00:02:16.159 --> 00:02:18.319 I do conspiracy. I would sprinkle the Bible a little bit, 45 00:02:18.599 --> 00:02:21.960 and I think people were, you know, we're thinking maybe 46 00:02:22.000 --> 00:02:24.120 I'm like, so I know the Bible really well, which 47 00:02:24.120 --> 00:02:26.919 I kind of did, you know, But now it's God 48 00:02:27.000 --> 00:02:29.400 just wanted me to get serious, looks like, and really 49 00:02:29.400 --> 00:02:31.680 teach it, you know, and instead of just sprinkling it, 50 00:02:31.759 --> 00:02:33.479 now I'm doing all Bible and just a little bit 51 00:02:33.520 --> 00:02:36.520 of conspiracy, you know. And I think that some people 52 00:02:36.599 --> 00:02:39.360 like that perspective because some of the churches they kind 53 00:02:39.360 --> 00:02:42.800 of hold back from a lot of conspiratorial stuff and 54 00:02:43.000 --> 00:02:46.960 maybe hold back on challenging science or challenging uh, you know, 55 00:02:47.000 --> 00:02:48.960 with the giants and all the different things. So as 56 00:02:49.000 --> 00:02:51.960 I'm going through the Bible, I'm, uh, it's just coming 57 00:02:52.039 --> 00:02:53.879 to live for me. So I think it's amazing, and 58 00:02:54.080 --> 00:02:56.199 the people are kind of right along there with me, 59 00:02:56.520 --> 00:02:58.639 and I am reading stuff. I'll say, I mean, honestly, 60 00:02:58.719 --> 00:03:01.639 Jacob and Raven that there's some things I read where 61 00:03:01.759 --> 00:03:04.199 I'm surprised myself. You know, It's like I must have 62 00:03:04.319 --> 00:03:08.319 just glazed through it before. But when I'm reading it 63 00:03:08.400 --> 00:03:10.159 like this, you know, you know, three chapters at a 64 00:03:10.199 --> 00:03:13.080 time and breaking it down, I'm reading stuff that's like 65 00:03:13.199 --> 00:03:16.240 literally surprising me. You know, I'm just like, wow, I 66 00:03:16.280 --> 00:03:18.000 don't even know this is in it, and it's you know, 67 00:03:18.199 --> 00:03:18.800 you know how it is. 68 00:03:18.840 --> 00:03:22.000 Probably Oh, I've been doing this show and honestly, just 69 00:03:22.240 --> 00:03:25.639 having people combat me on my views has forced me 70 00:03:25.759 --> 00:03:29.520 to be stronger in my faith because now I can't just, 71 00:03:29.759 --> 00:03:31.919 for instance, the whole statement of like the lion will 72 00:03:31.960 --> 00:03:34.319 sleep with the lamb. That's not what's said. It's about 73 00:03:34.360 --> 00:03:36.199 the wolf will sleep with the lamb. And it's like, wait, 74 00:03:36.280 --> 00:03:38.639 why have I heard the other way before? Where's that from? 75 00:03:38.680 --> 00:03:41.599 Let me do some more digging into this. It almost 76 00:03:41.639 --> 00:03:44.759 forces you to do the research for the show, but 77 00:03:44.800 --> 00:03:46.800 then you also get what you're trying to get out 78 00:03:46.800 --> 00:03:47.479 of it as well. 79 00:03:47.719 --> 00:03:49.240 So I absolutely hear what you're. 80 00:03:49.159 --> 00:03:52.120 Saying on that. And the people have ever been responding 81 00:03:52.199 --> 00:03:54.759 very positively. I don't think there's I don't actually think 82 00:03:54.800 --> 00:03:58.560 we've ever had one negative comment towards Josh Monday honestly. 83 00:03:58.800 --> 00:04:01.439 Oh yeah, there was one one negative comment that I read, 84 00:04:01.560 --> 00:04:04.080 and it was I think it's just one of the 85 00:04:04.080 --> 00:04:06.240 guys that kind of come on to your show and 86 00:04:06.280 --> 00:04:08.680 I tries to come on and comment bat all the time, 87 00:04:09.520 --> 00:04:09.759 one of. 88 00:04:09.759 --> 00:04:10.879 Our prolific haters. 89 00:04:11.159 --> 00:04:13.319 Yeah, sties, but. 90 00:04:13.319 --> 00:04:16.360 There's a guy. There's a guy on there's a guy 91 00:04:16.600 --> 00:04:18.480 he's probably gonna listen to this show. He listens to 92 00:04:18.560 --> 00:04:23.240 your show. He always comments on Apple, Uh mister or something. 93 00:04:23.279 --> 00:04:25.360 I don't know, Oh, mister hell j Yeah, that's our 94 00:04:25.480 --> 00:04:28.959 that's our longtime hater and uh for a while. 95 00:04:28.879 --> 00:04:30.920 Which is this comment all the time on Apple every 96 00:04:31.040 --> 00:04:31.959 like every two weeks. 97 00:04:32.079 --> 00:04:33.759 He tries to keep it up at the top. 98 00:04:34.000 --> 00:04:36.839 And I remember at one time he said some very 99 00:04:36.920 --> 00:04:40.360 generous things and then immediately went back on it. And 100 00:04:40.439 --> 00:04:42.920 we didn't know what his deal was because he was 101 00:04:42.959 --> 00:04:45.279 having like he would say things that would make it 102 00:04:45.319 --> 00:04:48.560 seem like he had insider information into us. I thought 103 00:04:48.560 --> 00:04:51.000 maybe he was a hacker or something like that. Come 104 00:04:51.000 --> 00:04:53.560 to find out, no, we knew what his source was. 105 00:04:53.839 --> 00:04:56.199 And then I had buddies of mine in the government 106 00:04:56.279 --> 00:04:58.720 do some digging into him because I didn't know. Honestly, 107 00:04:58.720 --> 00:05:00.839 I'm thinking, like, yo, is this guy like a psycho 108 00:05:00.959 --> 00:05:01.360 or something. 109 00:05:01.639 --> 00:05:04.120 He's not. He's a very sad, sad, lonely guy. 110 00:05:04.560 --> 00:05:07.360 And I felt bad once I have my people start 111 00:05:07.360 --> 00:05:10.279 doing digging into him, like this is all he has 112 00:05:10.720 --> 00:05:12.759 is shitting on podcasts like that. He doesn't have a 113 00:05:12.759 --> 00:05:14.519 lot going for him. It's like, okay, you know what, 114 00:05:15.439 --> 00:05:17.759 let him, let him talk his shit, he'll be fine. 115 00:05:17.959 --> 00:05:20.800 And then when you realize the haters on Spotify doing 116 00:05:20.839 --> 00:05:23.240 the same thing, it's like they're all feeding the algorithm. 117 00:05:23.600 --> 00:05:27.240 And you notice these same haters never miss an episode, 118 00:05:27.480 --> 00:05:30.040 and it's like, fine, you know what cool good for y'all. 119 00:05:30.480 --> 00:05:34.879 Yeah, like I said, bad, what do they say? All? 120 00:05:35.439 --> 00:05:37.040 There's no such thing as bad publicity. 121 00:05:37.199 --> 00:05:40.680 There you go, publicity, that's what you know. So I 122 00:05:40.680 --> 00:05:42.560 do notice it, and I do read your guys' comments too, 123 00:05:42.600 --> 00:05:44.079 you know, I'm trying to see what people are saying 124 00:05:44.079 --> 00:05:47.639 and where they're leaning towards. And yeah. So yeah, it's 125 00:05:48.240 --> 00:05:49.600 like I said, it's a blessing, you know, and it's 126 00:05:49.600 --> 00:05:52.000 a blessing for the for the viewers to comment. So 127 00:05:52.040 --> 00:05:53.639 make sure you guys are commenting on the show. It's 128 00:05:53.680 --> 00:05:56.160 really it assists the show. And I see sometimes you 129 00:05:56.160 --> 00:05:58.639 guys get like twenty five comments sometimes, which is amazing. 130 00:05:59.040 --> 00:06:02.319 And man, yeah, even if most of those are from 131 00:06:02.480 --> 00:06:06.000 the same guy who's just commenting multiple times, it's fine. 132 00:06:06.040 --> 00:06:09.519 It's fine. You're still helping, so appreciate it for sure. 133 00:06:09.920 --> 00:06:11.560 So it's been a heck of a year. Man. I 134 00:06:11.759 --> 00:06:14.519 think I'm on episode sixty nine. I just recorded of 135 00:06:14.800 --> 00:06:18.120 Sunday service and then Wednesday service. I think we're in 136 00:06:18.120 --> 00:06:20.040 the forties or something. I can't remember which one it is, 137 00:06:20.079 --> 00:06:23.040 but very good. Time is flying by it bro, Like 138 00:06:23.079 --> 00:06:25.720 I was trying to, I think I text message you 139 00:06:25.720 --> 00:06:26.920 one day, and then we ended up talking on the 140 00:06:26.920 --> 00:06:28.759 phone and I was telling you, yeah, I'm on fifty 141 00:06:28.759 --> 00:06:31.720 two actually on Wednesday service. So I remember back when 142 00:06:31.759 --> 00:06:34.160 we first talked, you know, just to do Sunday service, 143 00:06:34.160 --> 00:06:36.920 which was amazing, you know, and time has flew by 144 00:06:37.000 --> 00:06:39.279 so much since then, you know, sixty nine episodes have 145 00:06:39.319 --> 00:06:42.399 already gone by, and it's just it's amazing, you know. 146 00:06:42.439 --> 00:06:44.600 I haven't really missed any well, I haven't missed any 147 00:06:44.839 --> 00:06:46.839 I have released like maybe a few of my shows 148 00:06:46.879 --> 00:06:50.680 when I was on when I was on vacation, I 149 00:06:50.759 --> 00:06:52.680 just kind of released a few that were two hours long, 150 00:06:52.720 --> 00:06:55.879 you know, and the people were like commenting, like, where's 151 00:06:55.879 --> 00:06:57.800 the Bible studies? So I knew. I was like, oh man, 152 00:06:57.839 --> 00:07:00.079 I got to keep the Bible studies rolling. So I 153 00:07:00.079 --> 00:07:01.480 try to do is if I'm going to be gone, 154 00:07:01.519 --> 00:07:03.360 I try to, you know, just record a few of 155 00:07:03.360 --> 00:07:05.439 them ahead of time so that way I can release 156 00:07:05.519 --> 00:07:07.279 them and it kind of assists, you. 157 00:07:07.279 --> 00:07:09.360 Know, Well, that's those studies are a big thing, though. 158 00:07:09.560 --> 00:07:12.959 They are my mom has. My mom does the the 159 00:07:13.079 --> 00:07:16.360 yearly Bible Study thing yep, where she does like the breakdown. 160 00:07:16.480 --> 00:07:18.240 She did like a whole three hundred and sixty five 161 00:07:18.319 --> 00:07:21.560 days of breakdown with her church, and they did all 162 00:07:21.560 --> 00:07:23.519 this stuff and they I mean she she's probably read 163 00:07:23.519 --> 00:07:26.639 the Bible, honestly, and just in the last like ten years, 164 00:07:26.639 --> 00:07:29.839 probably like seven times all the way through it broke 165 00:07:29.879 --> 00:07:31.399 it down over and over again. 166 00:07:31.560 --> 00:07:32.120 And that's the thing. 167 00:07:32.160 --> 00:07:34.720 There's so many different types of Bible studies out there, 168 00:07:34.759 --> 00:07:36.759 there are so many content creators who are doing that. 169 00:07:36.879 --> 00:07:39.120 However, what I have learned, it's the same as like 170 00:07:39.160 --> 00:07:40.399 a JFK episode. 171 00:07:40.680 --> 00:07:44.600 Just because there's one thousand JFK episodes, we haven't done 172 00:07:44.680 --> 00:07:46.839 a JFK episode, and the people want to hear our 173 00:07:46.920 --> 00:07:48.959 take on it. Some of it might echo the same 174 00:07:49.000 --> 00:07:50.839 as all the others, some of it might be a 175 00:07:50.839 --> 00:07:53.439 bit nuanced, and those the differences that make the content 176 00:07:53.480 --> 00:07:57.040 what it is. When Josh Monday is doing his Bible studies, like, yeah, 177 00:07:57.120 --> 00:08:00.519 you the Bible studies are out there, but Josh Monday's 178 00:08:00.519 --> 00:08:02.600 hot take on it or the way you break it down, 179 00:08:02.680 --> 00:08:05.439 the way you related to the people is very independent 180 00:08:05.560 --> 00:08:08.079 and it's very different, and so people love it, honestly. 181 00:08:08.600 --> 00:08:10.920 So yeah, no, it's a blessing that you're affiliated with 182 00:08:10.959 --> 00:08:12.839 the show in the first place, let alone doing it 183 00:08:12.879 --> 00:08:14.040 as hardcore as you are. 184 00:08:14.079 --> 00:08:14.360 Brother. 185 00:08:15.040 --> 00:08:17.040 Yeah, it's all glory to God, you know. So, and 186 00:08:17.079 --> 00:08:19.079 it is two hour Bible studies, so that is that's 187 00:08:19.079 --> 00:08:20.480 the part that I'm like I used to I used 188 00:08:20.480 --> 00:08:21.959 to think, like, man, how's people going to sit there 189 00:08:22.000 --> 00:08:24.000 and listen to two hours with me doing a Bible study? 190 00:08:24.000 --> 00:08:26.560 And it's been working out so and two hours goes 191 00:08:26.600 --> 00:08:29.240 by fast, and I thought like, man, two hours. Usually 192 00:08:29.240 --> 00:08:30.879 the pastors only do one hour, you know, so how 193 00:08:30.879 --> 00:08:33.000 am I going to break down two hours? But it's 194 00:08:33.000 --> 00:08:35.440 been working out. So it's been a blessing for sure. 195 00:08:35.639 --> 00:08:36.919 And you're also a pastor, you know. 196 00:08:37.919 --> 00:08:41.080 No, I'm not a pastor, Nope, I'm just a regular guy. 197 00:08:41.399 --> 00:08:43.360 I thought you love the Bible. 198 00:08:43.120 --> 00:08:44.759 That show thought she was a pastor at your church 199 00:08:44.840 --> 00:08:46.720 or maybe like an affiliate pastor or something like that. 200 00:08:46.759 --> 00:08:48.919 But okay, yeah, that'd be awesome. 201 00:08:49.000 --> 00:08:51.639 I honestly now I feel like I could do it, 202 00:08:51.639 --> 00:08:53.120 you know. And if I'm doing a one hour Bible 203 00:08:53.120 --> 00:08:55.399 study on stage, I'd be like, that's no problem. You know, 204 00:08:55.440 --> 00:08:57.879 I'm doing two here, so yeah, it'd be actually easier. 205 00:08:57.960 --> 00:09:00.559 So but yeah, thank you for your Thank you guys 206 00:09:00.559 --> 00:09:02.360 for your service to both you guys and marine vets. 207 00:09:02.399 --> 00:09:04.960 I was. I was a National Guard, so I deployed 208 00:09:04.960 --> 00:09:07.000 as well. And what a blessing? 209 00:09:07.200 --> 00:09:08.039 Where'd you deploy to? 210 00:09:09.120 --> 00:09:12.240 I went to Kuwait. I was feeling helicopters. So I 211 00:09:12.279 --> 00:09:14.039 was a ninety two Whiskey ninety two Fox. The ninet 212 00:09:14.039 --> 00:09:15.919 two Whiskey is a water chiatment operator and the ninety 213 00:09:15.919 --> 00:09:18.120 two Fox is a fueler. So I did aviation fuel. 214 00:09:18.200 --> 00:09:20.600 So okay, Well you went from water to fuel. 215 00:09:21.519 --> 00:09:25.399 Yeah, I did, because those moss actually are are they 216 00:09:25.480 --> 00:09:27.799 work hand in hand? Because you know, you're opening valves, 217 00:09:27.840 --> 00:09:29.639 turning valves. You have to sample the fuel, just like 218 00:09:29.639 --> 00:09:30.480 you have to sample water. 219 00:09:31.120 --> 00:09:31.919 Gotcha? Okay? 220 00:09:31.919 --> 00:09:37.600 Well together? Oh really awesome? Yeah, awesome. Let's go. 221 00:09:38.200 --> 00:09:40.480 So you are in Cali, correct? 222 00:09:41.120 --> 00:09:42.799 Yeah? So southern California? 223 00:09:42.919 --> 00:09:45.519 Okay, And how's everything in that neck of the woods, brother, 224 00:09:45.559 --> 00:09:48.200 Because man, depending on the week, it seems like CALLI 225 00:09:48.320 --> 00:09:49.159 might be calming down. 226 00:09:49.159 --> 00:09:51.480 Then it's like never mind, Newsome's on one again. Here 227 00:09:51.480 --> 00:09:51.799 we go. 228 00:09:52.879 --> 00:09:57.039 Yeah. So politically, I'm honestly, I'm I've studied so many 229 00:09:57.039 --> 00:10:00.000 conspiracies that I just know that they're just gonna do 230 00:10:00.039 --> 00:10:01.480 their thing, you know what I mean, I'm just all 231 00:10:01.480 --> 00:10:03.080 I'm gonna do is stand strong in the Lord and 232 00:10:03.159 --> 00:10:06.039 do my best to uh to spread the Gospel. And 233 00:10:05.879 --> 00:10:08.320 I and I just you know, I see the things 234 00:10:08.320 --> 00:10:10.399 that are going on. I see the agendas, and we 235 00:10:10.440 --> 00:10:12.879 could read it, you know, and uh, it's kind of 236 00:10:12.919 --> 00:10:15.919 like a light version of modern day Sodomgamora Basy, you know, 237 00:10:18.159 --> 00:10:20.240 without some of theselfs. Yeah, it's kind of just it's crazy, man, 238 00:10:20.360 --> 00:10:22.080 the the agendas that are happening. We can kind of 239 00:10:22.080 --> 00:10:24.279 see them from a mile away though, and and it 240 00:10:24.399 --> 00:10:26.240 is what it is. And it's like as we get 241 00:10:26.240 --> 00:10:28.200 closer to the end times, which I don't you know, 242 00:10:28.200 --> 00:10:29.759 a lot of people say we're in Satan's little season 243 00:10:29.799 --> 00:10:32.480 all that stuff, but I don't believe that at the moment. 244 00:10:32.559 --> 00:10:34.720 But as we get closer to the end times, I 245 00:10:34.759 --> 00:10:37.320 think that we're going to see the birth pains getting stronger, 246 00:10:37.360 --> 00:10:39.440 and there's going to be more and more, uh things 247 00:10:39.440 --> 00:10:41.440 that are going to surprise us. But what it shouldn't though, 248 00:10:41.519 --> 00:10:43.360 because the Bible says it's not going to get better, 249 00:10:43.360 --> 00:10:44.600 It's gonna get worse, you know, for us. 250 00:10:44.639 --> 00:10:47.120 So yeah, no doubt, and I agree. 251 00:10:47.120 --> 00:10:49.960 I've I've had multiple people say that we're in Satan's 252 00:10:49.960 --> 00:10:53.320 little season, and I don't I'm not shitting on these people, respectfully, 253 00:10:53.480 --> 00:10:56.600 I disagree because certain signs have not come to pass, 254 00:10:56.639 --> 00:10:59.159 and then certain signs that they say have obviously passed. 255 00:10:59.200 --> 00:11:01.080 It's like you got to you gotta really squint and 256 00:11:01.080 --> 00:11:02.840 turn your head to the side to see it that way. 257 00:11:02.879 --> 00:11:04.759 But like, okay, everybody's got their take. 258 00:11:05.840 --> 00:11:09.639 Now let me ask you earlier that we are now 259 00:11:09.639 --> 00:11:11.600 in twenty twenty six, so let me make sure I 260 00:11:11.639 --> 00:11:15.320 clarify this September of twenty twenty five, there was this 261 00:11:15.440 --> 00:11:18.240 big thing that was going on in the socials to 262 00:11:18.279 --> 00:11:21.600 say that we were about to experience the rapture because 263 00:11:21.720 --> 00:11:25.360 TikTok said, so what did you see on your end 264 00:11:25.399 --> 00:11:26.679 as far as that was concerned. 265 00:11:27.960 --> 00:11:30.519 Yeah, people were saying that, Yeah, I see that. But 266 00:11:30.600 --> 00:11:32.320 there's been a lot of that, you know, like throughout 267 00:11:32.320 --> 00:11:35.200 at the times you're gonna see. There was even an 268 00:11:35.240 --> 00:11:38.320 author that said he wrote a book for twenty twelve, 269 00:11:38.320 --> 00:11:40.840 and then he wrote another book for twenty thirteen, and 270 00:11:41.200 --> 00:11:43.919 I think people were just we never know the day 271 00:11:43.919 --> 00:11:45.600 in the day of the hour, and we don't even 272 00:11:45.600 --> 00:11:47.279 know if there's going to be a rapture period. You know, 273 00:11:47.320 --> 00:11:49.399 I think that there is a rapture, but I think 274 00:11:49.440 --> 00:11:51.320 it's going to be It's either going to be like 275 00:11:51.360 --> 00:11:53.960 a it depends on what your eschatology is. Some people 276 00:11:54.000 --> 00:11:56.720 are like a seven year tribulation, which was really put 277 00:11:56.759 --> 00:11:59.200 in popular mainstream churches, you know, where they say there's 278 00:11:59.200 --> 00:12:02.559 going to be a rapture before that that tribulation starts. 279 00:12:02.840 --> 00:12:04.679 Some people say there's gonna be you know, it's gonna 280 00:12:04.679 --> 00:12:06.039 be after the three and a half years of peace, 281 00:12:06.039 --> 00:12:10.039 which is like the mid basically the mid rapture point 282 00:12:10.039 --> 00:12:12.159 of view. So other people would say that it's gonna 283 00:12:12.159 --> 00:12:14.120 be post and then other people say that's just when 284 00:12:14.159 --> 00:12:16.200 Jesus comes back. That's when we get raptured up and 285 00:12:16.240 --> 00:12:18.240 caught up, you know. So there's a there's a lot 286 00:12:18.240 --> 00:12:21.759 of different interpretations of that. So depending on what your 287 00:12:21.840 --> 00:12:25.039 eschatology is is where you would kind of stand. The 288 00:12:25.080 --> 00:12:27.320 people that are like all millennial and stuff like that, 289 00:12:27.320 --> 00:12:28.879 they won't even think there's gonna be a rapture, so 290 00:12:28.879 --> 00:12:31.720 that probably didn't even bother them. There's just a lot 291 00:12:31.720 --> 00:12:34.559 of people, I think, waiting for the rapture next, you know, 292 00:12:34.720 --> 00:12:38.600 But I don't see that the rapture. I used to 293 00:12:38.639 --> 00:12:40.360 believe in. I used to believe in seven year tribulation 294 00:12:40.399 --> 00:12:43.000 and everything. But you know, when you have podcasts like this, 295 00:12:43.080 --> 00:12:45.039 it's hard because I've had so many guests that come 296 00:12:45.080 --> 00:12:47.679 on and they just change my escatology, you know, because 297 00:12:47.679 --> 00:12:49.720 they're just like there, I didn't even know those a 298 00:12:49.720 --> 00:12:51.720 different eschatologies. I used to go. I went to Calbrey 299 00:12:51.759 --> 00:12:54.399 Chapel before, right, and then I would just I would 300 00:12:54.440 --> 00:12:56.159 just think that there was gonna be a sevenyar tribulation. 301 00:12:56.240 --> 00:12:58.600 That's what my mindset was, and that Israel is the 302 00:12:58.720 --> 00:13:01.279 you know that that's the Israel that's there right now. 303 00:13:01.840 --> 00:13:04.639 And then you get into conspiracies and have people on 304 00:13:04.679 --> 00:13:06.919 your show where they just now it's hard for me 305 00:13:07.000 --> 00:13:09.960 to kind of Once I do Revelation and I do 306 00:13:10.039 --> 00:13:12.960 the Book of Daniel on your show, I think, you know, 307 00:13:13.039 --> 00:13:15.240 quote the conspiracy, then I'm gonna have a better idea 308 00:13:15.279 --> 00:13:17.240 of where we're at. Where I'm just actually breaking it 309 00:13:17.279 --> 00:13:19.639 down like three verse, three chapters at a time, and 310 00:13:19.840 --> 00:13:22.399 they don't have a better idea right now. My eschatology 311 00:13:22.399 --> 00:13:24.279 is all over the place, you know, bro, Good luck. 312 00:13:25.320 --> 00:13:27.759 That shit scared me as a child because I grew 313 00:13:27.879 --> 00:13:29.720 up in the church and left when I was sixteen, 314 00:13:29.759 --> 00:13:32.000 and that shit, I hated revelations. 315 00:13:32.039 --> 00:13:33.720 I never have enjoyed that. 316 00:13:34.080 --> 00:13:35.080 I've always loved it. 317 00:13:36.080 --> 00:13:38.639 No, I was terrified as a kid with it, and 318 00:13:38.679 --> 00:13:39.639 I was like, no, I'm good. 319 00:13:39.840 --> 00:13:43.279 So have you ever heard the name Perry Stone? Perry 320 00:13:43.320 --> 00:13:46.600 Stone is a pastor who was big, big, big with 321 00:13:47.080 --> 00:13:51.200 eschatology and just in Time prophecy in general, and in 322 00:13:51.240 --> 00:13:55.120 the early two thousands he was making his rounds around churches. 323 00:13:55.159 --> 00:13:58.000 He did many documentaries and books on the subject. He 324 00:13:58.039 --> 00:14:01.639 came to our church multiple time time to like give 325 00:14:01.720 --> 00:14:03.080 talks about these things. 326 00:14:03.080 --> 00:14:04.679 And then of course he came. 327 00:14:04.559 --> 00:14:05.039 To the South. 328 00:14:06.120 --> 00:14:10.159 Yes, we have literally a church on every freaking corner 329 00:14:10.200 --> 00:14:13.440 down here, like between the churches, the car washes, the 330 00:14:13.480 --> 00:14:17.519 dollar General or the dollar trees, hey and go down, 331 00:14:17.600 --> 00:14:21.080 and the gas stations. Like I've never been to any 332 00:14:21.080 --> 00:14:23.360 place in the in the country that has this many 333 00:14:23.399 --> 00:14:25.600 of the same things on every flipping corner. Like if 334 00:14:25.600 --> 00:14:28.120 you don't hit ten churches in a one mile radius, 335 00:14:28.120 --> 00:14:28.720 I don't know what. 336 00:14:28.639 --> 00:14:31.200 You're talking about, but you notice they're all different denominations. 337 00:14:31.399 --> 00:14:34.720 My god, it's so ridiculous. Your church is Catholic church. 338 00:14:34.759 --> 00:14:35.039 Yeah. 339 00:14:35.120 --> 00:14:37.399 Mine is like I could probably throw a baseball like 340 00:14:37.759 --> 00:14:40.919 five times and hit my church. But yeah, but there's 341 00:14:40.960 --> 00:14:44.240 only like two Catholic churches in our parish, and those 342 00:14:44.879 --> 00:14:46.960 were like that was the thing. No, no, no, like 343 00:14:47.159 --> 00:14:49.960 fifty years ago there would have been that many Catholic 344 00:14:50.000 --> 00:14:51.200 churches on every corner. 345 00:14:51.600 --> 00:14:54.440 Yeah, there's a lot of churches of all sorts of 346 00:14:54.960 --> 00:14:56.960 we have. We even have a Mormon church down the 347 00:14:56.960 --> 00:14:57.480 street too. 348 00:14:57.679 --> 00:14:58.679 We have two. 349 00:14:59.320 --> 00:15:01.679 Oh, we have one of Gonzalez and one by us, 350 00:15:01.720 --> 00:15:03.720 which is I didn't realize that the Mountain Jews are 351 00:15:03.759 --> 00:15:06.200 gaining traction in this area, but here we are, and 352 00:15:06.279 --> 00:15:08.440 you know they're they're God bless them. 353 00:15:08.639 --> 00:15:13.440 We have a lot of things, temples, Buddhist temples. 354 00:15:13.480 --> 00:15:16.480 I didn't know we have one Buddhist temple in a lot. 355 00:15:16.519 --> 00:15:19.320 We have a lot of different types of I'm trying 356 00:15:19.360 --> 00:15:22.080 to like think we do have churches. We have a 357 00:15:22.120 --> 00:15:27.559 lot of different types of churches, but nowhere near the 358 00:15:27.559 --> 00:15:29.360 mount that this place has. 359 00:15:29.559 --> 00:15:32.399 Well, like my organ's a big melting pot of so 360 00:15:32.440 --> 00:15:35.279 many different things. You got the people from Asia that 361 00:15:35.320 --> 00:15:37.120 made their way to America and some of them went north. 362 00:15:37.200 --> 00:15:40.200 You have all of the Oregon Trail and the manifest 363 00:15:40.200 --> 00:15:42.200 Destiny people that came from all over the world, so 364 00:15:42.559 --> 00:15:44.120 pretty much the specific Northwest. 365 00:15:45.080 --> 00:15:48.840 We have a lot of jo Jehovah witnesses. Oh the 366 00:15:49.480 --> 00:15:54.039 speaking of the Jehovah's shitting on them. I'm just saying, well, they. 367 00:15:54.159 --> 00:15:58.000 They are on their in time prophecy number six. I 368 00:15:58.039 --> 00:16:00.919 think because they keep saying that the rat's gonna happen, 369 00:16:01.399 --> 00:16:04.120 and they've been proven wrong every time, I think they're 370 00:16:04.200 --> 00:16:05.720 right now on their sixth date. 371 00:16:06.480 --> 00:16:09.120 I mean, I feel like everybody has a different interpretation 372 00:16:09.240 --> 00:16:12.559 when the rapture will happen, even though there's different versions, 373 00:16:12.639 --> 00:16:13.840 until you just start talking about it. 374 00:16:13.840 --> 00:16:16.720 I was like, but my mom has done a time. 375 00:16:16.919 --> 00:16:21.240 She did like a three month thing breaking down revelations, 376 00:16:21.240 --> 00:16:23.159 and I was like, She's like, you should hear about this. 377 00:16:23.200 --> 00:16:26.120 I was like, I'm good. I'm like, no, I got 378 00:16:26.200 --> 00:16:27.360 terrified as a kid. I'm good. 379 00:16:29.039 --> 00:16:30.600 Well, it's good to. It's good to and you know, 380 00:16:30.720 --> 00:16:33.480 kind of prepared to know, you know, it said depending like, 381 00:16:33.519 --> 00:16:35.679 there's just when you when you start breaking stuff down 382 00:16:35.720 --> 00:16:37.679 with a lot of different people, Like I said, there's 383 00:16:37.679 --> 00:16:39.159 just a lot of different views on this, you know, 384 00:16:39.240 --> 00:16:42.559 and different interpretations. So I think the best way to 385 00:16:42.600 --> 00:16:45.279 do it is to to read it yourself, you know, 386 00:16:45.360 --> 00:16:47.039 like I said, three chapters at a time, kind of 387 00:16:47.039 --> 00:16:50.759 breaking everything down and then try to like take all 388 00:16:50.799 --> 00:16:52.759 your preconceived biases and put them to the side, and 389 00:16:52.759 --> 00:16:55.200 then just read it yourself and see what God shows you. You know. 390 00:16:55.279 --> 00:16:57.279 I think that's the best way to do it because 391 00:16:58.240 --> 00:16:59.559 a lot of a lot of times you have your 392 00:16:59.600 --> 00:17:02.360 pasture kind of leading you in a certain direction. Yeah, 393 00:17:02.360 --> 00:17:04.240 and what we don't what we don't understand is that 394 00:17:04.240 --> 00:17:07.000 there's a border of directors above him that have always 395 00:17:07.000 --> 00:17:09.640 had a certain eschatology that they want taught. So then 396 00:17:09.640 --> 00:17:11.480 there's like a lane that they have to stand, you know, 397 00:17:11.519 --> 00:17:14.359 Like let's say it's that seven year tribulation. Israel became 398 00:17:14.400 --> 00:17:16.880 a nation again, you know, in nineteen forty eight, and 399 00:17:16.920 --> 00:17:19.640 they became a capital nineteen sixty eight in Jerusalem. So 400 00:17:19.640 --> 00:17:22.440 then they basically say that Israel, you know, they focus 401 00:17:22.519 --> 00:17:26.359 on Israel having like a different dispensation, meaning that they 402 00:17:26.920 --> 00:17:29.640 that God is gonna has a different dispensation for them. 403 00:17:29.640 --> 00:17:31.559 You know that they're they're going to be saved still, 404 00:17:31.599 --> 00:17:33.480 but even if they don't. But the thing is, you know, 405 00:17:33.519 --> 00:17:35.200 the Bible is very clear that if you don't believe 406 00:17:35.240 --> 00:17:37.640 in Jesus, that's saved. Right, That's right, That's what the 407 00:17:37.640 --> 00:17:41.160 New Testament speaks on. So it's like I said, it's 408 00:17:41.200 --> 00:17:43.160 just some of the pastors. I think they have to 409 00:17:43.160 --> 00:17:45.400 stay in a certain lane. And that's the cool thing 410 00:17:45.400 --> 00:17:47.119 about being a podcaster is you can kind of you 411 00:17:47.119 --> 00:17:48.440 don't have anybody tell you anything. 412 00:17:48.480 --> 00:17:50.519 You know, you have no lines on your lanes. Brother, 413 00:17:50.519 --> 00:17:51.720 you could swerve all over. 414 00:17:51.519 --> 00:17:54.400 The road, especially on this show. Oh yeah, I can 415 00:17:54.440 --> 00:17:57.519 go all over the place. So it's a blessing, you know. 416 00:17:57.680 --> 00:18:01.240 And I think that's people like that raw cut, you know, 417 00:18:01.359 --> 00:18:04.599 Bible study, compared to someone that has somebody kind of 418 00:18:04.799 --> 00:18:06.960 trying to make them strict in a certain lane. You know. 419 00:18:07.000 --> 00:18:10.160 That's that's what I think. That's why Biblical cosmology and 420 00:18:10.519 --> 00:18:13.119 you know that the giants and certain things that pastors 421 00:18:13.200 --> 00:18:15.279 kind of stay away from talking about. They don't like 422 00:18:15.359 --> 00:18:20.200 the challenge science. But on the on this show particularly 423 00:18:20.240 --> 00:18:22.279 and also my show, I can I can go, like 424 00:18:22.319 --> 00:18:24.319 I said, wherever I'd like to go. So I like it. 425 00:18:24.319 --> 00:18:24.920 It's a blessing. 426 00:18:25.359 --> 00:18:28.079 And the other thing is it it and me and 427 00:18:28.119 --> 00:18:31.039 you have even we've debated the flat earth narrative for 428 00:18:31.079 --> 00:18:33.640 the record, right, and there's so many Christians that would 429 00:18:33.680 --> 00:18:36.440 debate the giant narrative and they they are Christians, but 430 00:18:36.480 --> 00:18:39.079 they just don't believe the giants happened. I even personally 431 00:18:39.200 --> 00:18:41.640 know Christians that don't believe Noah's flood actually happened. 432 00:18:41.640 --> 00:18:43.759 That it's one of those kind of myths that got 433 00:18:43.880 --> 00:18:45.440 debated people on it, right. 434 00:18:45.279 --> 00:18:47.319 And and maybe it was a localized flood, maybe it 435 00:18:47.359 --> 00:18:49.920 wasn't the whole world. It's you know, yeah. 436 00:18:49.720 --> 00:18:52.720 That's a weird concept that I mean, even but the 437 00:18:52.759 --> 00:18:56.400 flood has been like storied around everybody, Like it's not 438 00:18:56.680 --> 00:18:58.640 just Christians that talk about the flood. 439 00:18:58.759 --> 00:19:01.319 True, but the timelines are always different. So if you 440 00:19:01.400 --> 00:19:03.680 look at because Moses is the one that wrote down 441 00:19:03.720 --> 00:19:05.680 the first five books, right the Torah the Good where 442 00:19:05.720 --> 00:19:08.279 they talk about it, and he wasn't alive for the flood. 443 00:19:08.319 --> 00:19:10.759 It happened thousand years before him, and so it's and 444 00:19:11.559 --> 00:19:13.880 that's what used to be passed down in oral tradition 445 00:19:13.960 --> 00:19:16.519 before they actually wrote it down. So like how far 446 00:19:16.559 --> 00:19:19.160 back does that oral tradition go? Some people believe the 447 00:19:19.160 --> 00:19:21.759 earth is only six thousand years old. Some people believe 448 00:19:21.799 --> 00:19:23.799 the earth is only twenty thousand years old, and then 449 00:19:23.799 --> 00:19:25.839 there's some that believe it's billions of years old. And 450 00:19:25.920 --> 00:19:29.240 it's like, at what point did the myth become or 451 00:19:29.400 --> 00:19:32.480 the truth become legend, the legend become lord, the lord 452 00:19:32.519 --> 00:19:34.880 became myth and that got Wroten down. So like there's 453 00:19:35.000 --> 00:19:37.359 there's tons of interpretations to this kind of thing. 454 00:19:37.440 --> 00:19:40.319 And like the Bible is full of everybody writing down stories. 455 00:19:40.880 --> 00:19:43.400 Yes, but then there's a lot of historical fact checks 456 00:19:43.400 --> 00:19:45.000 that could be done for pretty much all of it. 457 00:19:45.039 --> 00:19:47.359 But especially when you get to the earlier books, like 458 00:19:47.680 --> 00:19:51.400 specifically Genesis, so many of these things don't have time 459 00:19:51.440 --> 00:19:54.519 stamps that you're able to see like, oh, in this country, 460 00:19:54.640 --> 00:19:57.160 this dude was like okay, Babylon, everybody. When we're talking 461 00:19:57.160 --> 00:19:59.799 about like Nebekinezer in the Book of Daniel, we have 462 00:20:00.039 --> 00:20:03.759 of actual fact checked historical documentation to say he ruled 463 00:20:03.759 --> 00:20:05.640 from this year to this year. And so whenever you 464 00:20:05.640 --> 00:20:07.319 look at some of the things that are said in 465 00:20:07.400 --> 00:20:09.720 the Bible and you look at things that happen during 466 00:20:09.799 --> 00:20:13.279 Nebucannezer's reign, they line up ancient Egypt. The same thing 467 00:20:13.279 --> 00:20:16.039 in the Book of Exodus. Genesis, on the other hand, 468 00:20:16.279 --> 00:20:19.200 has no time stamps that we can really really work 469 00:20:19.240 --> 00:20:22.799 off of to a point. So it's like I used 470 00:20:22.839 --> 00:20:24.440 to say, one way or another, But the point I 471 00:20:24.480 --> 00:20:26.160 was trying to make is none of that is a 472 00:20:26.200 --> 00:20:29.839 salvation issue, right, and so it's not saying that the 473 00:20:29.880 --> 00:20:32.759 earth is six thousand years old or six million years old. 474 00:20:32.920 --> 00:20:35.799 None of that takes away from the story of Jesus. 475 00:20:36.000 --> 00:20:38.599 And so it's fun to debate this. It's fun to 476 00:20:38.920 --> 00:20:42.680 have these kind of intellectual conversations. Some people act like 477 00:20:42.720 --> 00:20:45.559 you just kicked their dog whenever you go against a 478 00:20:45.599 --> 00:20:48.319 belief of theirs. Same thing with the rapture, right, some people, 479 00:20:48.359 --> 00:20:50.559 if you believe the raptures are going to happen before 480 00:20:50.559 --> 00:20:52.720 the seven year trial and tribulation, some people look at 481 00:20:52.759 --> 00:20:56.640 you like you are crazy. Meanwhile, the other half of them, like, 482 00:20:56.680 --> 00:20:58.200 you said the people that things happening in three and 483 00:20:58.240 --> 00:21:00.480 a half hours, I thought it was before. 484 00:21:00.920 --> 00:21:02.799 Well, I thought that people were getting raptured and the 485 00:21:02.960 --> 00:21:04.599 rest of us were screwed for like seven years. 486 00:21:04.759 --> 00:21:07.440 That is what a lot of mainstream narratives will tell 487 00:21:07.440 --> 00:21:09.839 you in America, And I would argue that's probably the 488 00:21:09.880 --> 00:21:12.519 most going narrative around the world. And the reason why 489 00:21:12.559 --> 00:21:15.839 is because the theory is that God will take his 490 00:21:15.960 --> 00:21:18.640 people up and then pretty much let the Heathens just 491 00:21:18.759 --> 00:21:20.440 eat themselves alive for seven years. 492 00:21:20.440 --> 00:21:21.240 And it's a whole thing. 493 00:21:21.519 --> 00:21:23.519 Why would God allow his people to be there for 494 00:21:23.519 --> 00:21:25.480 the trials and tribulations all of this, And it's like, 495 00:21:25.720 --> 00:21:29.039 y'all understand, God let his people be enslaved multiple times 496 00:21:29.079 --> 00:21:31.559 throughout history. So like, who's to say one way or another? 497 00:21:32.279 --> 00:21:34.400 And it depends on how you interpret it and how 498 00:21:34.440 --> 00:21:37.119 you break it down. When I was doing Prophecy Playbook, 499 00:21:37.200 --> 00:21:39.279 which I always put out a couple of episodes about 500 00:21:39.279 --> 00:21:42.960 it because I realized really quickly, I started off with 501 00:21:42.960 --> 00:21:45.799 the Ezekiel thirty eight and thirty nine war, right, and 502 00:21:46.119 --> 00:21:48.319 I thought that'd be a pretty safe spot to start 503 00:21:48.359 --> 00:21:51.440 because they talk about what tribes will come and attack 504 00:21:51.519 --> 00:21:53.799 Israel at the same time, and you can look at 505 00:21:53.839 --> 00:21:56.960 who these tribes are today. I thought it wasn't even 506 00:21:56.960 --> 00:21:59.480 gonna be Jacob's hot take. It was gonna be very quick, 507 00:21:59.599 --> 00:22:03.599 very e man. I realized very quickly that first of all, 508 00:22:03.759 --> 00:22:06.839 I am not in a position to speak with intelligence 509 00:22:06.880 --> 00:22:10.599 on this. Secondly, there's like three of those countries that 510 00:22:11.079 --> 00:22:15.119 we honestly don't know where these tribes settle to after 511 00:22:15.160 --> 00:22:15.599 the fact. 512 00:22:15.680 --> 00:22:17.119 We know what they used to be, we have no 513 00:22:17.119 --> 00:22:18.119 idea what they are now. 514 00:22:18.559 --> 00:22:21.960 And it's like, I don't want to leave people astray, 515 00:22:22.279 --> 00:22:23.759 and I don't want to make people start all of 516 00:22:23.799 --> 00:22:26.960 a sudden having side eye glances towards Nigeria when that's 517 00:22:26.960 --> 00:22:28.720 not even the spot. And it's like, you see what 518 00:22:28.759 --> 00:22:31.920 I'm saying. It's so I shut that one down. It's like, 519 00:22:31.920 --> 00:22:33.400 you know what, I'm going to get back into that 520 00:22:33.440 --> 00:22:35.720 one day when I have more time to dive into 521 00:22:35.799 --> 00:22:38.119 the Word and look at the prophecies a little bit more. 522 00:22:38.680 --> 00:22:40.200 And so for you to say that you're going into 523 00:22:40.279 --> 00:22:43.240 Daniel and revelationships. 524 00:22:43.400 --> 00:22:45.319 I'm trying to go through the whole entire Bible. So 525 00:22:45.359 --> 00:22:47.400 once I get there, I think it's but like with 526 00:22:47.440 --> 00:22:49.319 the Book of Genesis, for me, the way I look 527 00:22:49.319 --> 00:22:54.000 at it is, you know, and in numbers twelve versus 528 00:22:54.000 --> 00:22:56.400 fourth three, it talks about Moses speaking to God face 529 00:22:56.440 --> 00:22:58.319 to face. That's what God says to Aaron and Merriam. 530 00:22:58.359 --> 00:23:00.359 He basically takes them Aaron and Mariam. We are kind 531 00:23:00.359 --> 00:23:04.079 of getting jealous, like who's Moses, because that's that's Moses, 532 00:23:04.119 --> 00:23:06.480 is their brother, right, So they're like, why do you 533 00:23:06.480 --> 00:23:08.279 speak to Moses the way you do? And he says, well, 534 00:23:08.359 --> 00:23:10.759 I speak the prophets and visions and dreams, but with Moses, 535 00:23:10.799 --> 00:23:12.920 I speak to him face to face. That's what it says. 536 00:23:12.960 --> 00:23:14.599 In the New King James, it says mouth to mouth 537 00:23:14.640 --> 00:23:16.599 and the King James. So that's why I take the 538 00:23:16.640 --> 00:23:18.960 Book of Genesis literal and the way that I do. 539 00:23:19.039 --> 00:23:21.240 I take it serious, you know, because I believe it's 540 00:23:21.240 --> 00:23:23.920 a first hand account from God. How else can how 541 00:23:23.960 --> 00:23:26.880 else is Moses going to know what Adam said to Eve. 542 00:23:27.000 --> 00:23:28.920 Eve said to the serpent, the serpent said to God. 543 00:23:29.119 --> 00:23:31.519 How's he going to know what Abraham Abraham said? How's 544 00:23:31.519 --> 00:23:33.799 he going to know what Jacob said, how Isaac said, 545 00:23:33.839 --> 00:23:36.480 what Rachel said? How would he know these personal stories 546 00:23:36.519 --> 00:23:39.160 if he didn't get a first hand account from God, 547 00:23:39.359 --> 00:23:42.440 who is obviously around during these times and also was 548 00:23:42.480 --> 00:23:45.000 involved in all these situations. So when it comes to 549 00:23:45.440 --> 00:23:47.920 the Book of Genesis, for me personally, I take it 550 00:23:47.960 --> 00:23:50.240 as a first hand account from the most high. So 551 00:23:50.319 --> 00:23:53.319 I take it very serious, you know. And as far 552 00:23:53.319 --> 00:23:55.319 as like oral traditions and stuff. But I can understand, 553 00:23:55.359 --> 00:23:57.200 you know, it's just people have different takes. Like you said, 554 00:23:57.279 --> 00:24:00.720 some people believe in in you know, theistic evolution or 555 00:24:00.759 --> 00:24:03.839 something where they have to take science and just they learn, 556 00:24:03.960 --> 00:24:05.480 you know, like when you go through college or you 557 00:24:05.480 --> 00:24:07.559 go through let's say you go through regular elementary school 558 00:24:07.559 --> 00:24:09.680 all the way through college. What happens is there's there's 559 00:24:09.720 --> 00:24:12.279 block walls I believe, being built between you and then 560 00:24:12.319 --> 00:24:15.359 the Book of Genesis, and what happens is you kind 561 00:24:15.359 --> 00:24:18.079 of have to compromise a little bit. You start reading 562 00:24:18.079 --> 00:24:20.759 the Bible and you're like, I believe in evolution, so 563 00:24:20.759 --> 00:24:22.880 I got to compromise a little bit here, and and uh, 564 00:24:23.039 --> 00:24:25.200 I believe in you know, billions and billions of years, 565 00:24:25.200 --> 00:24:26.759 so I have to compromise a little bit here. So 566 00:24:27.079 --> 00:24:28.680 I think that's what happens. But like I said, I 567 00:24:28.680 --> 00:24:33.079 respect everybody's opinion, and I respect anybody's take because I'm 568 00:24:33.119 --> 00:24:35.319 not a genius and i'm and God is not just 569 00:24:35.359 --> 00:24:38.839 feeding me only you know, eating everybody. So I can't 570 00:24:38.839 --> 00:24:40.599 just say that my take is the best take. But 571 00:24:40.839 --> 00:24:42.799 what I do do is I take everything that I 572 00:24:42.839 --> 00:24:45.559 read seriously and I try to make sure just like you, 573 00:24:45.559 --> 00:24:47.640 you know, you read a Zekie when you're like you 574 00:24:47.720 --> 00:24:50.400 kind of start feeling like you're you're you're sinking. You're like, 575 00:24:50.400 --> 00:24:52.160 oh my god, there's so much information and I and 576 00:24:52.440 --> 00:24:54.240 you have to make sure. That's the thing that's hard 577 00:24:54.279 --> 00:24:57.039 about this, Jacob, as you said and Raven is is uh, 578 00:24:58.000 --> 00:25:00.680 you're like, this is a serious take. I don't want 579 00:25:00.680 --> 00:25:04.000 to lead anybody into the wrong scenarios. So what I 580 00:25:04.039 --> 00:25:06.759 try to do my best if I can, is try 581 00:25:06.799 --> 00:25:09.519 to teach the different ways that people believe this scenario 582 00:25:09.519 --> 00:25:12.079 that I'm teaching whatever wherever I'm at, so that way, 583 00:25:12.119 --> 00:25:15.279 I'm not just leading people into one direction. You know. Yeah, 584 00:25:15.400 --> 00:25:17.880 And I think Jacob, when you was probably reading Ezekiel, 585 00:25:17.960 --> 00:25:20.160 You're like, it's a lot. 586 00:25:20.079 --> 00:25:21.000 Right, it is. 587 00:25:21.880 --> 00:25:24.880 And I mean, I'm not even saying that my show 588 00:25:25.000 --> 00:25:27.599 talking about that war in particular was going to lead 589 00:25:27.640 --> 00:25:30.359 people astray. But at the same time, I realized that 590 00:25:30.480 --> 00:25:33.240 this is going to start a chain of events and 591 00:25:33.279 --> 00:25:35.559 I'm going to start diving into other biblical stories. 592 00:25:35.559 --> 00:25:37.400 I'm going to start diving into other things. 593 00:25:37.759 --> 00:25:40.000 I need to be way more well read and more 594 00:25:40.119 --> 00:25:42.920 educated on these topics, just on myself, not getting other 595 00:25:42.920 --> 00:25:45.079 people's hot takes, but just I need to have my 596 00:25:45.240 --> 00:25:47.160 time with the word before I start trying to present 597 00:25:47.200 --> 00:25:48.039 it to other people. 598 00:25:48.160 --> 00:25:50.440 And so I was like, Yeah, we're gonna We're gonna. 599 00:25:50.480 --> 00:25:54.160 Sholve prophecy playbook for now and perhaps in the future 600 00:25:54.200 --> 00:25:56.079 we will do it. That was I want to say, 601 00:25:56.119 --> 00:25:59.039 that was the first time that the Cult of Conspiracy 602 00:25:59.079 --> 00:26:02.319 tried having like side show. I think that was even 603 00:26:02.319 --> 00:26:04.039 before Jonathan started Meta Mystery. 604 00:26:04.160 --> 00:26:04.519 It was. 605 00:26:04.759 --> 00:26:07.839 It was, Yeah, it's the first side show. But I 606 00:26:07.839 --> 00:26:09.359 have a question for you, Josh, how old do you 607 00:26:09.440 --> 00:26:11.720 think that Earth? How old do you think the Earth is? 608 00:26:12.160 --> 00:26:14.839 If you believe I'm a I'm a younger creationist. I 609 00:26:14.880 --> 00:26:18.200 believe that that it's a I would say, uh, anywhere 610 00:26:18.200 --> 00:26:21.640 between six thousand and sixty six hundred years, That's. 611 00:26:21.480 --> 00:26:23.720 What I believe, Like not just written history, were talking 612 00:26:23.720 --> 00:26:26.039 about the actual Earth itself, the Earth. 613 00:26:25.839 --> 00:26:28.079 Itself, because if he goes off of Genesis, it wouldn't 614 00:26:28.079 --> 00:26:33.119 make any sense. Well, I mean not necessarily, Genesis is 615 00:26:33.200 --> 00:26:39.279 young in creation verse, how old things particularly are here 616 00:26:39.440 --> 00:26:40.440 if you believe in science. 617 00:26:41.160 --> 00:26:43.160 Here's here's one way that that some people would put it. 618 00:26:43.160 --> 00:26:45.519 Some people would put it like Adam, like wasn't born 619 00:26:45.559 --> 00:26:47.759 as a baby, right, So it's not like God made 620 00:26:47.799 --> 00:26:50.039 Adam a baby and then God was you know, breastfeeding 621 00:26:50.079 --> 00:26:51.640 him and doing all this stuff to make him. He 622 00:26:51.680 --> 00:26:54.319 basically created him. So what other what other people would 623 00:26:54.400 --> 00:26:57.880 say is the first six days of Genesis is actually 624 00:26:57.960 --> 00:27:00.599 periods of time and their ages. That's what they would say, right. 625 00:27:00.960 --> 00:27:04.400 But my whole thing is, how can you have plants 626 00:27:04.400 --> 00:27:07.319 and vegetation on day three and and then you have 627 00:27:07.400 --> 00:27:10.000 the moon, sun and stars created on day four? How 628 00:27:10.039 --> 00:27:13.480 are those plants of vegetation able to live? Also there's like, uh, 629 00:27:13.640 --> 00:27:17.519 you know, animals that are created on day five, and 630 00:27:17.519 --> 00:27:20.039 and there's also insects that were created on certain like 631 00:27:20.079 --> 00:27:22.440 it's just like certain things had to fit for me. 632 00:27:23.119 --> 00:27:23.480 Uh. 633 00:27:23.559 --> 00:27:25.960 And it actually says it in Exodus that God created 634 00:27:25.960 --> 00:27:28.960 it in six literal days, right. It also says like 635 00:27:30.000 --> 00:27:32.839 it also says in Genesis that you know, it was 636 00:27:32.880 --> 00:27:35.599 the evening and day were the first day. And I 637 00:27:35.640 --> 00:27:38.279 do believe that there's six literal days of creation. But 638 00:27:38.880 --> 00:27:42.240 like I said, there's what happens is some people get 639 00:27:42.240 --> 00:27:45.240 well educated, you know, and they get their PhD. And 640 00:27:45.240 --> 00:27:47.839 and then they learned that scientific side and then then 641 00:27:48.400 --> 00:27:50.759 not saying that they're compromising or doing anything wrong. It's 642 00:27:50.839 --> 00:27:52.599 just what they do is they kind of open up 643 00:27:52.599 --> 00:27:54.759 their horizons a little bit more. But where for me, 644 00:27:55.279 --> 00:27:58.079 I'm not coming from like a scientific background right where 645 00:27:58.119 --> 00:28:00.200 I've kind of been in a biology class and all 646 00:28:00.200 --> 00:28:02.440 these different things. So I just kind of stick strictly 647 00:28:02.480 --> 00:28:04.039 to the Bible, what the Bible says, and I have 648 00:28:04.079 --> 00:28:06.599 no problem with that. And then I could biblically come 649 00:28:06.640 --> 00:28:08.559 up with answers of why I believe that Earth is 650 00:28:08.599 --> 00:28:10.759 this way. But there's there's people that come up with 651 00:28:10.799 --> 00:28:12.839 scientific answers. So it's just a different way of looking 652 00:28:12.880 --> 00:28:15.440 at it. But I do respect people's view and I 653 00:28:15.519 --> 00:28:18.640 have debated people on, you know, biblical cosmology. I've debated 654 00:28:18.680 --> 00:28:21.720 people on also the flood because the flood. The people 655 00:28:21.720 --> 00:28:23.799 that are getting more scientific and they start, you know, 656 00:28:23.839 --> 00:28:26.359 they start, they got their PhD, their doctions, they want 657 00:28:26.359 --> 00:28:28.279 to be able to be in those circles as well, right, 658 00:28:28.319 --> 00:28:29.960 So they don't want to just be like if they 659 00:28:30.000 --> 00:28:32.759 say that's a young Earth, automatically that someone that's a 660 00:28:32.799 --> 00:28:35.000 scientific is going to be like, oh, this guy's you know, 661 00:28:35.079 --> 00:28:37.000 they would say probably put him in a category of 662 00:28:37.039 --> 00:28:39.480 not being intelligent or not being smart, you know, because 663 00:28:39.720 --> 00:28:42.079 how could you say something like that. But for me, 664 00:28:42.599 --> 00:28:44.640 I just stick to what the Bible says, because when 665 00:28:44.680 --> 00:28:46.359 I you know, when I go end up going to 666 00:28:46.400 --> 00:28:48.119 heaven and God is talking to me, I want him 667 00:28:48.160 --> 00:28:50.640 to be like, I don't think he's going to be like, hey, 668 00:28:50.640 --> 00:28:52.240 I can't believe you said the earth is sixty six 669 00:28:52.319 --> 00:28:54.359 hundred years old, because I would say, well, Lord, you 670 00:28:54.359 --> 00:28:56.720 know the Bible says this, you know, And that's the 671 00:28:56.720 --> 00:28:58.240 way I want to be held accountable. I don't want 672 00:28:58.240 --> 00:29:00.799 to say like, oh, well man told me, so I'm 673 00:29:00.799 --> 00:29:02.759 gonna believe them over what the Bible says. So I 674 00:29:02.799 --> 00:29:05.000 had to compromise in this area. So I just strictly 675 00:29:05.000 --> 00:29:07.599 stick with what the Bible says, and I believe, you know, 676 00:29:07.759 --> 00:29:09.880 I'm when I do something, you know, I'm one hundred 677 00:29:09.880 --> 00:29:12.039 and fifty or nothing, you know. So that's just the 678 00:29:12.039 --> 00:29:12.519 way I am. 679 00:29:12.640 --> 00:29:13.759 So I get that. 680 00:29:13.799 --> 00:29:16.240 But again, and not trying to push back on you 681 00:29:16.279 --> 00:29:18.319 on here, but I also think that when we stand 682 00:29:18.319 --> 00:29:20.799 before God, I don't think he's actually gonna judge us 683 00:29:20.839 --> 00:29:22.599 based off of how he interpreted Genesis. 684 00:29:22.640 --> 00:29:23.039 I don't think. 685 00:29:23.079 --> 00:29:25.240 So that's the thing. It's not a salvation issue. 686 00:29:25.240 --> 00:29:27.799 So if anything, I can't wait to get there and 687 00:29:27.880 --> 00:29:30.599 learn everything because I have so many questions. 688 00:29:31.079 --> 00:29:33.359 But yeah, I have a lot of questions. 689 00:29:33.440 --> 00:29:33.559 Bro. 690 00:29:33.920 --> 00:29:35.799 Now have you heard of Doggarland? 691 00:29:36.960 --> 00:29:37.759 Doggerland? No? 692 00:29:38.279 --> 00:29:40.359 Okay, And I'm curious about your take on this because 693 00:29:40.480 --> 00:29:43.279 Raven Lee was actually on an archaeological dig site in 694 00:29:43.400 --> 00:29:45.519 Florida at one point in time, and they were finding 695 00:29:45.559 --> 00:29:49.400 remains of human settlements dating back to like Fucke ten 696 00:29:49.400 --> 00:29:50.119 thousand BC. 697 00:29:50.599 --> 00:29:52.640 No, not ten thousand, ten thousand years ago. 698 00:29:52.720 --> 00:29:54.519 Oh, excuse me, excuse me, Dogarland. 699 00:29:54.640 --> 00:29:57.240 They have found signs of human civilization dating back to 700 00:29:57.279 --> 00:30:00.000 twelve thousand BC. And it is basically the land mass 701 00:30:00.079 --> 00:30:04.359 that connects Sweden and Finland to northern Europe that didn't 702 00:30:04.440 --> 00:30:07.799 used to be the not the Caspian Sea, let's see 703 00:30:07.880 --> 00:30:08.119 is that? 704 00:30:09.440 --> 00:30:11.880 Oh my god? 705 00:30:12.319 --> 00:30:15.720 But basically before the melting of the Ice Age and 706 00:30:15.759 --> 00:30:17.799 everything like that, that was a land bridge and there 707 00:30:17.799 --> 00:30:21.279 was a thriving settlement there. Then cut to the story 708 00:30:21.480 --> 00:30:24.160 of when the people came from Israel and made their 709 00:30:24.160 --> 00:30:26.599 way north into Europe, and there was a massive amount 710 00:30:26.599 --> 00:30:29.400 of human beings that were living in Europe that negates 711 00:30:29.559 --> 00:30:32.440 what our narrative was as far as the land could 712 00:30:32.440 --> 00:30:35.440 only support so many people, agriculture was only so advanced 713 00:30:35.440 --> 00:30:38.160 at the time, whatever, But they had thousands and thousands 714 00:30:38.240 --> 00:30:42.000 more people living there than what they were expecting. Reason 715 00:30:42.079 --> 00:30:44.680 being dogger Land, which we don't know what that was 716 00:30:44.720 --> 00:30:47.039 actually called. It's called that because the type of ship 717 00:30:47.079 --> 00:30:50.519 that was trawling that area that found like the first harpoon, 718 00:30:50.559 --> 00:30:52.880 and they found a settlement, it's called a dogger ship. 719 00:30:53.400 --> 00:30:55.200 So what goes through ice? 720 00:30:56.240 --> 00:30:58.720 No, no, no, So we're talking about the northernmost part 721 00:30:58.720 --> 00:31:01.720 of Europe and they only they only trawled this area 722 00:31:01.839 --> 00:31:04.119 so often, and it's relatively shallow as far as the 723 00:31:04.200 --> 00:31:07.839 quote unquote see is concerned. Dudes pulled up a harpoon 724 00:31:08.079 --> 00:31:10.200 made out of some sort of a tusk and they're thinking, oh, 725 00:31:10.279 --> 00:31:12.759 this is cool. This is all whatever they did testing 726 00:31:12.799 --> 00:31:14.799 on it and found it was that oldere. So we're 727 00:31:14.839 --> 00:31:19.000 talking like the younger driest is what set Doggerland underwater. 728 00:31:19.400 --> 00:31:21.480 There's some argument to say that that might be Atlantis. 729 00:31:21.559 --> 00:31:23.680 I'm not saying I necessarily agree with that, but it's 730 00:31:23.759 --> 00:31:26.960 a it's a theory out there, right. But as they 731 00:31:27.000 --> 00:31:29.279 keep doing more research, they're finding that this settlement was 732 00:31:29.319 --> 00:31:33.319 thriving somewhere between ten thousand and twelve thousand BC. Now, 733 00:31:33.680 --> 00:31:36.960 this doesn't, in my opinion, go against biblical narrative because 734 00:31:37.319 --> 00:31:40.160 I'm very much like yours ten thousand, yeah, and so 735 00:31:40.599 --> 00:31:42.680 I don't believe that it's. 736 00:31:42.519 --> 00:31:44.799 Ten thousand BC. Would actually it would be twelve thousand 737 00:31:44.880 --> 00:31:45.519 or something, right. 738 00:31:45.640 --> 00:31:48.680 So I mean that's at least of human civilization. 739 00:31:48.880 --> 00:31:51.480 I mean, Lucy, if you believe in evolution, Lucy is 740 00:31:51.519 --> 00:31:52.960 three point two million years old. 741 00:31:53.599 --> 00:31:58.720 The Neanderthal ooh okay, side tangent, I've heard some people 742 00:31:58.799 --> 00:32:01.839 say that the Neanderthal might be the nephilo Your. 743 00:32:01.720 --> 00:32:05.519 Thoughts, really, I've heard this the different types. 744 00:32:05.599 --> 00:32:08.359 Because Lucy is relatively short, but like, how do we 745 00:32:08.400 --> 00:32:10.400 know that wasn't a midget need like. 746 00:32:10.720 --> 00:32:14.839 Nephil I in my mind, and the Nephilum are very large. 747 00:32:14.920 --> 00:32:18.640 They're supposed to be very large individuals, like not because 748 00:32:18.720 --> 00:32:21.559 Lucy's small, but Lucy's intact. But she's not the only 749 00:32:21.599 --> 00:32:24.519 one that we have that predates that. I guess that's 750 00:32:24.519 --> 00:32:27.400 My biggest issue has always been with Genesis is that 751 00:32:27.559 --> 00:32:30.359 it doesn't make any sense logically to me how it 752 00:32:30.440 --> 00:32:36.319 lines up with science and like the Earth and everything. 753 00:32:35.920 --> 00:32:36.799 That we know about it. 754 00:32:37.240 --> 00:32:39.480 So I think it's on I think it's on purpose. 755 00:32:39.720 --> 00:32:43.240 And I'm not saying that scientists are going out just saying, hey, 756 00:32:44.240 --> 00:32:46.680 let's let's say it's three point two billionaires, so that 757 00:32:46.720 --> 00:32:50.279 way that you know the the Bible's wrong. But uh, 758 00:32:50.400 --> 00:32:53.519 if you take science with science says just just literally 759 00:32:53.559 --> 00:32:57.000 just about creation. So science would say that the stars 760 00:32:57.039 --> 00:33:00.119 came first three point six billion years ago, right. Then 761 00:33:00.119 --> 00:33:02.079 they would say that the sun came four point six 762 00:33:02.079 --> 00:33:04.039 billionaires ago. Then they would say that the Earth came 763 00:33:04.039 --> 00:33:07.960 four point five billionaires ago, right. So automatically they're going 764 00:33:08.000 --> 00:33:10.680 against the Bible right away, because the Bible says that 765 00:33:10.680 --> 00:33:13.160 the Earth came first, right, and then it says that 766 00:33:13.200 --> 00:33:15.640 the moon, sun, and the stars came on day four, right, 767 00:33:15.720 --> 00:33:19.400 So it's literally inverted compared to what the Bible says. 768 00:33:19.440 --> 00:33:20.960 So there's a lot of different things that I think 769 00:33:21.000 --> 00:33:23.000 that are going to go. That's why I said there's 770 00:33:23.000 --> 00:33:25.440 a lot of block walls. Just like Raven would say, like, well, 771 00:33:25.440 --> 00:33:27.799 that's three point two millionaires, So that's totally against what 772 00:33:28.160 --> 00:33:31.319 Genesis says. So obviously science has to be right. Where 773 00:33:32.440 --> 00:33:35.279 I take the opposite, and what I would say is 774 00:33:35.319 --> 00:33:39.720 that the Bible is correct, and that the radiometric dating 775 00:33:39.920 --> 00:33:41.759 and things that you're talking about where you're saying, well, 776 00:33:41.799 --> 00:33:44.039 it's ten thousand years ago, but then we don't even 777 00:33:44.079 --> 00:33:46.039 have writing until sixty six hundred years ago or six 778 00:33:46.079 --> 00:33:48.680 thousand years ago, So it's like, what I take is 779 00:33:48.799 --> 00:33:51.920 that my take is that the Bible is correct and 780 00:33:51.960 --> 00:33:55.200 that science is wrong. And I think that there's a 781 00:33:55.200 --> 00:33:58.759 lot of theories out there. Even radiometric dating is not 782 00:33:59.039 --> 00:34:01.079 one hundred percent act. They have no idea what the 783 00:34:01.119 --> 00:34:03.839 carbon level was really at. They're just basically there's like 784 00:34:03.880 --> 00:34:05.960 an assumption that has to be made for them to 785 00:34:05.960 --> 00:34:08.159 do radiometric dating. And I'm not a professional in that 786 00:34:08.280 --> 00:34:09.519 in any way, and I'm not going to act like 787 00:34:09.559 --> 00:34:12.079 I am or that I know exactly how that goes. 788 00:34:12.119 --> 00:34:15.480 But I do want to say that there is young 789 00:34:15.519 --> 00:34:19.400 Earth creationists that are scientists that are not biblical at all. 790 00:34:19.440 --> 00:34:21.199 They don't even believe the Bible, but they do believe 791 00:34:21.199 --> 00:34:23.639 it's a young Earth. So there's an opposite end of that. 792 00:34:23.760 --> 00:34:25.920 But we won't hear about a lot of those scientists 793 00:34:26.000 --> 00:34:29.440 because I do believe they get they don't get as 794 00:34:29.519 --> 00:34:31.400 much publicity and they don't have as many papers that 795 00:34:31.440 --> 00:34:33.760 are going to be accepted. And there's actually a movie 796 00:34:33.760 --> 00:34:36.360 that you can watch on that that's like a documentary 797 00:34:36.360 --> 00:34:39.960 on that. But so my take is basically, I just 798 00:34:40.000 --> 00:34:44.199 take the Bible literal from Genesis to revelation and that's 799 00:34:44.239 --> 00:34:46.519 the way I stand. And I do debate people on 800 00:34:46.559 --> 00:34:49.559 the subjects and stuff, but you know, I do respect 801 00:34:49.599 --> 00:34:51.440 scientists and everything. I'm not saying that they're out there 802 00:34:51.440 --> 00:34:53.599 trying to like make an agenda or they're not just 803 00:34:53.760 --> 00:34:58.039 all like I mean, some are, sure, but what the whole, 804 00:34:58.199 --> 00:35:02.000 the whole premise is of you know, naturalization is is 805 00:35:02.039 --> 00:35:05.639 that everything happened without a God having to do anything right. 806 00:35:05.760 --> 00:35:09.840 So it's it's just, you know, like I said, it's 807 00:35:09.880 --> 00:35:13.440 just it's just things that I think that I think 808 00:35:13.480 --> 00:35:17.400 that there's things out there that are are there agenda wise, yes, yes, 809 00:35:17.440 --> 00:35:19.760 to prove God wrong. But also I think that scientists 810 00:35:20.079 --> 00:35:22.440 have their own lane that they're they're studying and they're doing, 811 00:35:22.440 --> 00:35:24.039 you know, but I think a lot of it is 812 00:35:24.280 --> 00:35:27.119 is is theories though, and not one hundred percent facts. 813 00:35:27.400 --> 00:35:29.039 I mean, how could you say that thirteen point eight 814 00:35:29.119 --> 00:35:31.519 years a billion years ago that that everything was formed 815 00:35:31.559 --> 00:35:33.639 one hundred percent. You know, they wouldn't be able to 816 00:35:33.679 --> 00:35:35.119 know one hundred percent because they weren't there. 817 00:35:35.039 --> 00:35:39.679 Right, So your take on Neanderthals is this nothing. 818 00:35:41.519 --> 00:35:44.199 Neanderthals. I don't know. I'm not sure because I think that, 819 00:35:44.320 --> 00:35:46.800 like I said, just like Dravend was saying, I believe 820 00:35:46.840 --> 00:35:50.000 that they were large, larger, you know. But some people 821 00:35:50.000 --> 00:35:53.840 would say like that, that word doesn't mean giant. Some 822 00:35:53.880 --> 00:35:57.360 people would say that nepheline means you know, fallen or 823 00:35:57.440 --> 00:36:00.159 earth form. That's kind of what the term is. But 824 00:36:00.480 --> 00:36:05.360 but as you go through the Bible with with with nepheline, uh, 825 00:36:05.440 --> 00:36:08.519 it is they're talking about large people that are large 826 00:36:08.519 --> 00:36:11.079 and stature. That's that's how they're explained, and it's also 827 00:36:11.159 --> 00:36:14.559 that's what separates them from from from you know, the Israelites. 828 00:36:14.559 --> 00:36:17.440 You know, they keep saying, you know, they're the tallest cedars, 829 00:36:17.679 --> 00:36:20.159 or they're they're strong in stature, or they're the mighty 830 00:36:20.199 --> 00:36:23.079 men of renowned they're they're they're like mighty characters. And 831 00:36:23.320 --> 00:36:25.000 also I think they're they're a lot bigger. So I 832 00:36:25.000 --> 00:36:27.400 think Raven has A has the right take on that. 833 00:36:27.440 --> 00:36:29.880 So I don't. I don't know about Neanderthals, and and 834 00:36:30.280 --> 00:36:33.039 you know, and and that take whether they would be 835 00:36:33.079 --> 00:36:34.679 nephiline or not. But I do believe that they were 836 00:36:34.760 --> 00:36:35.920 larger in stature though, so. 837 00:36:36.079 --> 00:36:38.199 I don't believe the Neanderthals are nephilim. 838 00:36:38.440 --> 00:36:40.320 I have heard the theory be proposed, and I think 839 00:36:40.320 --> 00:36:43.360 it's an interesting one to look at. It is, especially 840 00:36:43.360 --> 00:36:45.039 when you look at when they are talking about when 841 00:36:45.039 --> 00:36:47.159 they get to the Promised Land and they say that 842 00:36:47.199 --> 00:36:50.000 these dudes are giant. We are grasshoppers to them, right, 843 00:36:50.039 --> 00:36:53.920 And it's like, Okay, they're already being metaphoric with the 844 00:36:54.000 --> 00:36:56.440 language that they're using to describe how tall and small 845 00:36:56.480 --> 00:36:59.519 they are, like the Jews weren't or at that time 846 00:36:59.559 --> 00:37:03.000 the Hebrew were not actually the size of grasshoppery as 847 00:37:03.000 --> 00:37:05.519 compared to these dudes. They're being a little bit metaphoric, 848 00:37:05.679 --> 00:37:08.559 and okay, fine, but a lot of people will take 849 00:37:08.599 --> 00:37:11.079 that to mean, oh, they were completely being metaphoric, and 850 00:37:11.119 --> 00:37:13.320 in reality, these people weren't tall. They were just really 851 00:37:13.360 --> 00:37:16.360 strong looking and there they were scared, and it's like, okay, 852 00:37:17.119 --> 00:37:19.199 I see where you're going with this. But then we 853 00:37:19.280 --> 00:37:23.159 also have so many documented examples of giants, not oh, 854 00:37:23.239 --> 00:37:25.480 somebody who's a foot taller, like, no, no, a literal 855 00:37:25.519 --> 00:37:28.440 giant that was walking, and not even talking about Goliath 856 00:37:28.480 --> 00:37:30.840 and his four brothers. But like, there's multiple examples through 857 00:37:30.840 --> 00:37:34.400 the Bible of giants that were roaming the earth. There's 858 00:37:34.480 --> 00:37:38.960 examples that they have found archaeologically studying, and the museums 859 00:37:39.000 --> 00:37:42.079 have either destroyed or completely pushed all of that under 860 00:37:42.079 --> 00:37:44.119 the rugs. The Smithsonian I think we talked about that 861 00:37:44.159 --> 00:37:47.480 a few episodes back. They admitted that they were destroying 862 00:37:47.519 --> 00:37:51.039 giant bones and not putting them on display. And this 863 00:37:51.079 --> 00:37:53.000 is when we get into that section where I'm not 864 00:37:53.079 --> 00:37:56.519 sure if it was to go against the biblical narrative, 865 00:37:56.920 --> 00:37:58.280 although I'm sure there was a little bit of a 866 00:37:58.320 --> 00:38:01.119 spirit of that. I think it's also them trying to 867 00:38:01.199 --> 00:38:05.159 not rewrite the history books, and it's like multiple reasons 868 00:38:05.199 --> 00:38:07.239 why they're like, you know what, we just need to 869 00:38:07.239 --> 00:38:09.920 not let people know giants wherever real. It's just it's 870 00:38:09.960 --> 00:38:11.320 really within our best interest. 871 00:38:11.440 --> 00:38:13.559 What do you think about those have you guys, I'm 872 00:38:13.599 --> 00:38:17.119 sure you have seen the theories about the different formations 873 00:38:17.159 --> 00:38:20.039 around the world that they believe are the those massive 874 00:38:20.079 --> 00:38:24.920 trees or they are giants that are sleeping and you've 875 00:38:24.960 --> 00:38:27.119 seen like the faces and stuff like that, do you 876 00:38:27.199 --> 00:38:28.599 believe those are actually real? 877 00:38:28.679 --> 00:38:29.679 A hoole truth. 878 00:38:29.440 --> 00:38:32.679 Because somebody, some people actually believe that almost like Jack 879 00:38:32.679 --> 00:38:35.800 and the beanstalk situation, where these trees were massive and 880 00:38:35.840 --> 00:38:40.480 that potentially another dimension is above us, i e. Where 881 00:38:40.519 --> 00:38:42.599 the giants went, or the nephilum and stuff like that. 882 00:38:44.159 --> 00:38:46.719 It's interesting. I've seen a lot of information on that, 883 00:38:46.840 --> 00:38:51.280 and that's it's just it's like what they do is 884 00:38:51.719 --> 00:38:53.679 some people would try to relate that to the Bible too, 885 00:38:53.719 --> 00:38:56.880 because in the Book of Daniel it's said that these 886 00:38:56.920 --> 00:38:59.800 angels they cut the trees down or some sort of way, 887 00:38:59.840 --> 00:39:02.199 but those were like visions and not like literal So 888 00:39:03.440 --> 00:39:05.599 I think, I think it's interesting. I don't I don't 889 00:39:05.800 --> 00:39:08.800 personally have like a I don't have a way to 890 00:39:08.800 --> 00:39:10.639 connect it to the Bible, right, So if there was 891 00:39:10.639 --> 00:39:12.119 a way for me to connect that to the Bible, 892 00:39:12.119 --> 00:39:13.840 and I see that it's biblical, then I would say, yeah, 893 00:39:13.840 --> 00:39:16.519 I believe it. But but it is just interesting that 894 00:39:16.559 --> 00:39:18.719 people are at least people are digging and they're trying 895 00:39:18.719 --> 00:39:21.440 to connect things, uh, to the to the Word, you know, 896 00:39:21.840 --> 00:39:22.679 which I like, you know. 897 00:39:22.679 --> 00:39:25.519 If that makes sense now when you like Daniel, for instance, 898 00:39:25.519 --> 00:39:27.880 there's a lot of interpretation within that book. There's also 899 00:39:27.920 --> 00:39:30.320 a lot of historical references that are made in that book. 900 00:39:30.360 --> 00:39:31.880 Me and my kids we have a little Bible study 901 00:39:31.880 --> 00:39:34.519 book that we go through. We're currently in the Book 902 00:39:34.519 --> 00:39:36.440 of Daniel. Literally last night we read the story about 903 00:39:36.480 --> 00:39:39.199 nebukanz Are acting like an animal and all these things. 904 00:39:39.480 --> 00:39:41.519 And I've actually gotten in debates with people about this 905 00:39:41.639 --> 00:39:45.199 and they're like, Nebukanzer never did that, and I'm like, yeah, 906 00:39:45.239 --> 00:39:47.719 historically speaking, he lost his ship for a few years 907 00:39:47.760 --> 00:39:50.039 and went to the fields and was on all fours 908 00:39:50.079 --> 00:39:52.920 eating grass like an animal for a few years. 909 00:39:53.239 --> 00:39:55.119 And they're like, wait what, And then they have to. 910 00:39:55.039 --> 00:39:56.960 Go back and fact check themselves, and it's like, listen, 911 00:39:57.000 --> 00:39:59.360 I'm not I'm not trying to be that guy, but 912 00:39:59.440 --> 00:40:01.719 I will say, like, history is my shit, so you 913 00:40:01.760 --> 00:40:03.119 got to do your homework if you're gonna try to 914 00:40:03.119 --> 00:40:05.440 come at me on that. But beside the point, Daniel 915 00:40:05.440 --> 00:40:07.800 also has a lot of interpretation and a lot of 916 00:40:08.360 --> 00:40:12.440 dreams that are being spoken about visions right Book of 917 00:40:12.440 --> 00:40:15.360 Ezekiel same way, there are some historical things within the 918 00:40:15.400 --> 00:40:18.239 Book of Ezekiel, some of them are most of it, 919 00:40:18.320 --> 00:40:21.599 I would say, is more things that need to be interpreted. 920 00:40:21.840 --> 00:40:25.280 And Book of Revelation. The entire book is a book 921 00:40:25.320 --> 00:40:29.519 of interpretation and in time prophecy. However, I have always wondered, 922 00:40:29.559 --> 00:40:31.800 and I guess there's no real correct answer on this one. 923 00:40:32.199 --> 00:40:34.719 When it comes to the book of interpretation, how much 924 00:40:34.840 --> 00:40:38.000 of what is written is going to happen exactly as 925 00:40:38.039 --> 00:40:40.519 it's written, And how many of these things will be 926 00:40:40.840 --> 00:40:43.159 something interpreted that we're not going to understand until it 927 00:40:43.199 --> 00:40:45.960 comes through to fruition. Right, So, like you said, the 928 00:40:45.960 --> 00:40:49.840 Book of Daniel, how much of what Daniel it's kind 929 00:40:49.840 --> 00:40:52.480 of obvious which ones are dreams and interpretations and prophecy. 930 00:40:52.960 --> 00:40:56.119 How much of these book of prophecies do you think 931 00:40:56.159 --> 00:40:59.199 are going to play out exactly as they're written? And 932 00:40:59.239 --> 00:41:00.679 how much of it do you think is going to 933 00:41:00.679 --> 00:41:02.760 be one of these things that it's really going to 934 00:41:02.800 --> 00:41:04.039 make sense once it happens. 935 00:41:05.000 --> 00:41:07.880 Well, some of it is. Uh, it's hard because some 936 00:41:07.920 --> 00:41:10.239 people believe that certain things are nations, you know, so 937 00:41:10.360 --> 00:41:14.199 like let's say there's certain there's certain words where they're 938 00:41:14.239 --> 00:41:16.239 like this is this is not an actual beast, this 939 00:41:16.320 --> 00:41:17.960 is going to be a nation, or this is a 940 00:41:17.960 --> 00:41:18.440 beast with. 941 00:41:18.400 --> 00:41:21.159 Seven heads, yeah, yeah, kings. 942 00:41:20.960 --> 00:41:23.679 Or there's just different ways. If that's that's why I said, 943 00:41:23.719 --> 00:41:25.719 I want to I want to just take it and 944 00:41:25.760 --> 00:41:28.079 just read it myself and just pray to God and say, Lord, 945 00:41:28.159 --> 00:41:29.719 show me what you want me to, you know, want 946 00:41:29.719 --> 00:41:31.320 to show me, and then I want to do it 947 00:41:31.360 --> 00:41:34.800 myself before I give a breakdown, because what happens is, 948 00:41:34.880 --> 00:41:36.599 like I said, like a pastor will tell you, well, 949 00:41:36.599 --> 00:41:39.000 these seven heads are seven kings, right, so then you 950 00:41:39.039 --> 00:41:41.400 always think that in your head. Well, as I read 951 00:41:41.440 --> 00:41:43.760 the Book of Revelation, these seven heads are seven kings, 952 00:41:43.760 --> 00:41:46.159 so let me just connect it to seven kings now. 953 00:41:46.480 --> 00:41:48.440 But then what you what you have to do, like 954 00:41:48.440 --> 00:41:49.679 I said, is you have to kind of read it 955 00:41:49.719 --> 00:41:53.400 yourself and find out exactly without any preconceived biases, and 956 00:41:53.480 --> 00:41:55.440 find out what it is. Because there'll be like a 957 00:41:55.440 --> 00:41:57.960 certain group that say that there's seven heads and seven kings, 958 00:41:58.039 --> 00:42:00.639 or this is seven kingdoms, or these are seven nations 959 00:42:00.719 --> 00:42:02.519 or these are and then you're like, wow, there's all 960 00:42:02.559 --> 00:42:04.840 these different interpretations of this. So I believe that you 961 00:42:04.840 --> 00:42:08.239 should just go at the Bible yourself read it yourself 962 00:42:08.360 --> 00:42:11.800 and don't depend on somebody to show you the Bible. 963 00:42:11.840 --> 00:42:13.280 You need to have God show it to you, you know, 964 00:42:13.320 --> 00:42:14.800 and the way you do that is by reading it 965 00:42:14.840 --> 00:42:17.199 yourself and going through it a few chapters at a time. 966 00:42:17.360 --> 00:42:19.639 Like how Raven's mom is doing it. That's perfect, you know, 967 00:42:19.960 --> 00:42:22.559 through the year, just her reading the Bible like once 968 00:42:22.599 --> 00:42:25.000 every year, but just having these verses that she's concentrating 969 00:42:25.039 --> 00:42:26.840 on and she's studying it is the best, you know, 970 00:42:26.920 --> 00:42:29.639 instead of you know, like before, when I was just 971 00:42:29.920 --> 00:42:32.079 I'll be like, Okay, today I'm gonna talk about salvation. 972 00:42:32.199 --> 00:42:33.760 So I'm gonna go through all these verses that talk 973 00:42:33.800 --> 00:42:36.599 about salvation and I'm gonna teach on that. Instead, I'm 974 00:42:36.639 --> 00:42:39.119 just going through the Bible. So it forces me to 975 00:42:39.719 --> 00:42:42.199 talk about the uncomfortable parts of the Bible and then 976 00:42:42.239 --> 00:42:44.320 the parts that are adventurous and the parts that are not. 977 00:42:44.599 --> 00:42:46.800 Some of the parts that some people might not be interested, 978 00:42:46.800 --> 00:42:49.519 like going over the Book of Leviticus. And obviously I'm 979 00:42:49.639 --> 00:42:51.840 speaking of my head. Like numbers, Jacob and johnath are 980 00:42:51.880 --> 00:42:53.079 going to be mad. The numbers are going to be 981 00:42:53.159 --> 00:42:54.800 so low on this is because people don't want to 982 00:42:54.840 --> 00:42:57.119 hear about this, but people actually love to hear about 983 00:42:57.119 --> 00:42:58.599 it because they don't get to hear about it in church. 984 00:42:58.639 --> 00:43:01.719 So it's like, yeah, it's very you know. So that's 985 00:43:01.719 --> 00:43:02.199 what happens. 986 00:43:02.199 --> 00:43:05.119 So the vitical law is something that is the basis 987 00:43:05.159 --> 00:43:09.800 for arguably Western civilization, and not all of it needs 988 00:43:09.840 --> 00:43:12.440 to be applied. I understand that, Like, for instance, I 989 00:43:12.519 --> 00:43:15.760 love bacon, so like cool, I don't. I don't get 990 00:43:15.800 --> 00:43:19.239 down with the laws of how we're not supposed to 991 00:43:19.239 --> 00:43:23.039 do that or basically the thing. 992 00:43:24.079 --> 00:43:25.719 I know, I know that's. 993 00:43:25.599 --> 00:43:29.599 Fine, but everybody knows that I do be getting down 994 00:43:29.599 --> 00:43:30.079 with pork. 995 00:43:30.320 --> 00:43:31.760 It's not a hot take, you know. 996 00:43:31.840 --> 00:43:34.239 But when you also look at their laws that they 997 00:43:34.280 --> 00:43:36.400 had as far as hygiene is concerned, that's something that 998 00:43:36.400 --> 00:43:38.320 the rest of the world took a good long while 999 00:43:38.360 --> 00:43:41.360 to catch up on and or or why they would 1000 00:43:41.360 --> 00:43:43.719 wear certain clothing or why they would do certain things. 1001 00:43:43.760 --> 00:43:46.320 And at the time it seemed really ridiculous. You're just 1002 00:43:46.360 --> 00:43:48.480 making more rules for yourself. But cut to a thousand 1003 00:43:48.559 --> 00:43:50.920 years later, it's like, oh, y'all were getting hooked up 1004 00:43:50.960 --> 00:43:53.159 from a very early stage. But like to your point, 1005 00:43:53.639 --> 00:43:56.599 to make content out of that, it could be very 1006 00:43:56.719 --> 00:43:59.199 dry and I understand that, but you also are very 1007 00:43:59.199 --> 00:44:02.000 good at making things very relatable and making things very 1008 00:44:02.079 --> 00:44:05.599 entertaining and interesting to listen to, So I definitely see 1009 00:44:05.639 --> 00:44:06.400 that for sure. 1010 00:44:07.119 --> 00:44:09.639 Yeah, I was just like, uh, I felt like that. 1011 00:44:09.719 --> 00:44:11.639 I was like, is this going to be dry? But 1012 00:44:11.719 --> 00:44:14.239 it's like I think as you just go through, the 1013 00:44:14.239 --> 00:44:16.199 people would just follow. They're just followed along. I just 1014 00:44:16.239 --> 00:44:17.760 told him, hey, just bear with me. We're just gonna 1015 00:44:17.800 --> 00:44:19.199 go through the best we can. And the people were 1016 00:44:19.199 --> 00:44:21.400 just like, no, it's fine, it's it's just do your thing. 1017 00:44:21.679 --> 00:44:23.360 We never get to hear about this, so it's like 1018 00:44:23.599 --> 00:44:26.480 it's a blessing to hear from from people, and you know, 1019 00:44:26.519 --> 00:44:29.039 because your mind is just you know, the devil's going 1020 00:44:29.119 --> 00:44:31.400 to play games with you too, and just be like, oh, 1021 00:44:31.519 --> 00:44:33.400 this portion is not important. You need to go over 1022 00:44:33.440 --> 00:44:36.079 this word for word. And there's also names too that 1023 00:44:36.280 --> 00:44:38.280 I'm trying to pronounce. It came pronounce, so I probably 1024 00:44:38.320 --> 00:44:40.320 sound like a very unintelligent We are. 1025 00:44:40.239 --> 00:44:43.280 The worst to it names, Oh my god, especially for 1026 00:44:43.559 --> 00:44:48.280 something modern times like oh yeah Ukrainian homeboy bor yep, yeah, 1027 00:44:48.320 --> 00:44:52.239 no guy, It's like, yo, I'm not even trying homeboy 1028 00:44:52.239 --> 00:44:54.960 from point A and homeboy from point B they're beefing. 1029 00:44:55.280 --> 00:44:58.679 It's just where I can never pronounce any names. I'm 1030 00:44:58.760 --> 00:45:01.079 just like, you know that person, that one with the face, 1031 00:45:01.320 --> 00:45:02.039 that guy. 1032 00:45:02.320 --> 00:45:04.920 Yes, yes, there's a whole lineage. I was trying to 1033 00:45:04.960 --> 00:45:06.679 read through it and I was like, I can't pronounce it. 1034 00:45:06.679 --> 00:45:08.079 But I was just doing my best, you know, and 1035 00:45:08.199 --> 00:45:10.760 people are they're they're very They give me a lot 1036 00:45:10.760 --> 00:45:12.559 of grace, I'll put it that way, which is a blessing. 1037 00:45:12.599 --> 00:45:16.559 I use the YouTube how to Say Stuff, Oh perfect, 1038 00:45:16.599 --> 00:45:17.679 because like you can like. 1039 00:45:17.639 --> 00:45:19.760 Put it in and it will tell you exactly how 1040 00:45:19.800 --> 00:45:20.280 to say it. 1041 00:45:20.440 --> 00:45:22.559 Yeah, But even then half the time I can't pronounce it. 1042 00:45:22.679 --> 00:45:22.920 I know. 1043 00:45:23.159 --> 00:45:26.519 Sometimes I'm it's like I don't roll my rs. 1044 00:45:26.760 --> 00:45:32.320 My mouth doesn't make that noise, Like okay, sure that dude. 1045 00:45:33.920 --> 00:45:38.480 But I did have a question. Do you believe in? 1046 00:45:39.079 --> 00:45:39.360 Do you? 1047 00:45:39.840 --> 00:45:41.679 I guess I wouldn't know if I don't know if 1048 00:45:41.679 --> 00:45:43.480 this is in the Bible or not, because it's been 1049 00:45:43.519 --> 00:45:47.559 a long time, But is Pangaea believed in the Bible. 1050 00:45:48.199 --> 00:45:51.159 Pangea is the land formations where everything was together. I 1051 00:45:51.199 --> 00:45:52.960 didn't know, if you know, some people actually don't know 1052 00:45:52.960 --> 00:45:53.280 what it is. 1053 00:45:53.480 --> 00:45:56.400 I've spoken of, but some people will take excerpts from 1054 00:45:56.400 --> 00:45:59.239 it and say that might be what is being referenced. 1055 00:45:59.280 --> 00:46:01.880 Because I ye, so I was looking into Pangaea more 1056 00:46:02.000 --> 00:46:04.760 and the different formations afterwards, and the different names. I 1057 00:46:04.800 --> 00:46:08.159 actually didn't realize the different names I knew. Obviously pange 1058 00:46:08.199 --> 00:46:09.719 is the big one that everyone knows, but they actually 1059 00:46:09.760 --> 00:46:13.480 have every time the continents shifted, they have different names 1060 00:46:13.519 --> 00:46:15.480 for the differently informs that were afterwards. 1061 00:46:15.559 --> 00:46:19.039 So yeah, so let's say like the flood, for example, 1062 00:46:19.119 --> 00:46:21.239 Let's say it was Pangaea and it was together, you know, 1063 00:46:21.320 --> 00:46:24.239 so that's why people would say that all the animals 1064 00:46:24.239 --> 00:46:26.000 were able to come to the arc. So some people 1065 00:46:26.000 --> 00:46:30.519 do use Pangaea as reasons why, you know, all the 1066 00:46:30.559 --> 00:46:33.039 animals could come to Noah and certain things. Yeah, so 1067 00:46:33.079 --> 00:46:36.239 some people do. Now is it biblical? The Bible doesn't 1068 00:46:36.239 --> 00:46:39.320 obviously say like exactly the way the continents were lined 1069 00:46:39.400 --> 00:46:42.400 up or exactly like that, but some people would say 1070 00:46:42.440 --> 00:46:44.320 that they're talking about when they say to the ends 1071 00:46:44.320 --> 00:46:45.960 of the earth at that time, it means to the 1072 00:46:46.079 --> 00:46:48.199 ends of the continents because they were all together at 1073 00:46:48.199 --> 00:46:51.480 that time. So there's different interpretations of that. But yeah, 1074 00:46:51.639 --> 00:46:54.400 I have heard people connect Pangaea to the Bible before, 1075 00:46:54.880 --> 00:46:57.480 and I think it's it's interesting because let's say, like 1076 00:46:57.519 --> 00:46:59.079 a kangaroo, Like they're like, how could you get a 1077 00:46:59.119 --> 00:47:01.800 kangaroo to the r if it was in Australia, you know, 1078 00:47:02.039 --> 00:47:04.760 so far away. So there's a different ways that people 1079 00:47:04.840 --> 00:47:08.400 do connect Pangaea to the Bible. And some people connected 1080 00:47:08.400 --> 00:47:12.440 to to when the Tower of Babbel happened, right when 1081 00:47:12.519 --> 00:47:14.800 Yad split the languages, and what he did is during 1082 00:47:14.840 --> 00:47:16.480 that time it was all connected. And then when the 1083 00:47:16.559 --> 00:47:19.480 when he split the languages, he split the continents as well, 1084 00:47:19.960 --> 00:47:20.159 you know. 1085 00:47:20.360 --> 00:47:25.840 So, yeah, you're a biblical literalist, what is your take 1086 00:47:25.880 --> 00:47:28.840 on Pangaea? Just speaking on behalf of Josh Day, he's saying, 1087 00:47:28.880 --> 00:47:30.920 other people say you personally, what's your take? 1088 00:47:31.719 --> 00:47:34.000 Well, I know that during the flood it says the 1089 00:47:34.039 --> 00:47:36.239 fountains of the Grade Deep were broken, so it could 1090 00:47:36.320 --> 00:47:38.639 be possible, let's say that they were together and then 1091 00:47:38.639 --> 00:47:40.519 the fountains of the Grade Deep were broken and it 1092 00:47:40.559 --> 00:47:44.000 did cause the continents to shift. Now I don't uh 1093 00:47:44.320 --> 00:47:47.519 personally right now. Obviously I believe in biblical cosmology, which 1094 00:47:47.559 --> 00:47:50.760 which Jacob knows, and I believe that that, and Ravens 1095 00:47:50.760 --> 00:47:53.920 is probably gonna go what I believe in Biblical cosmology, 1096 00:47:53.920 --> 00:47:57.039 where uh, you know, where there's a firmament, you know, 1097 00:47:57.239 --> 00:48:00.480 above God's throne is above the firmament, the firm connect 1098 00:48:00.480 --> 00:48:03.400 to the Earth, and I do believe in flat earth currently, 1099 00:48:03.559 --> 00:48:07.159 but I do really, I'm open if that makes sense. 1100 00:48:07.159 --> 00:48:09.320 He's our resident Christian flat earthers. 1101 00:48:09.360 --> 00:48:09.760 Really. 1102 00:48:09.960 --> 00:48:11.440 Oh yeah, that's interesting. 1103 00:48:11.960 --> 00:48:14.480 The reason why is because I've gone over a whole show. 1104 00:48:14.480 --> 00:48:15.880 You should watch that show, raven and season. 1105 00:48:15.920 --> 00:48:19.199 I had to go, yeah, I forget that. I forgot 1106 00:48:19.239 --> 00:48:20.880 that you told me that he was a flat earther. 1107 00:48:21.159 --> 00:48:24.800 Okay, yeah, so so yeah, the Bible talks about a 1108 00:48:24.800 --> 00:48:28.000 firmament and talks about it. So as far as like 1109 00:48:28.280 --> 00:48:30.480 Pangaea and everything, I'm not I'm not sure. I'm kind 1110 00:48:30.519 --> 00:48:32.559 of open to the idea. But I do believe that 1111 00:48:32.599 --> 00:48:34.639 the fountains of the Great Deeper broken during the flood. 1112 00:48:34.639 --> 00:48:36.679 It does say that, it says the windows of Heaven 1113 00:48:36.719 --> 00:48:39.360 were open. So there's three separate events that happened during 1114 00:48:39.360 --> 00:48:41.840 the flood. It's like it rained for forty days forty nights. 1115 00:48:42.360 --> 00:48:44.079 What first happened, that is the founds of the Grade 1116 00:48:44.079 --> 00:48:46.840 Deeper broken, so water came from below. And then it 1117 00:48:46.880 --> 00:48:49.320 also says that the windows of heaven were open, which 1118 00:48:49.360 --> 00:48:52.079 I believe that the water above came down and filled 1119 00:48:52.159 --> 00:48:54.119 up the fish bowl, as you could say. And then 1120 00:48:54.119 --> 00:48:55.519 I say that, then it says that it rained for 1121 00:48:55.519 --> 00:48:57.639 forty days and boorty nights as well, So maybe the 1122 00:48:57.679 --> 00:49:00.119 founds of the Great Deeper broken, meaning that it it 1123 00:49:00.159 --> 00:49:01.519 did separate the continents. 1124 00:49:01.639 --> 00:49:04.519 I don't know, like the Marianna Trench potentially. 1125 00:49:05.280 --> 00:49:10.320 I mean like right, yeah, yeah, I mean I was 1126 00:49:10.360 --> 00:49:14.039 just thinking like it could be logically like what potentially 1127 00:49:14.079 --> 00:49:14.480 it could be. 1128 00:49:14.840 --> 00:49:18.840 Speaking of Marianna's trench. So I may not be a 1129 00:49:18.880 --> 00:49:21.760 full on biblical literalist. I think there is some things 1130 00:49:21.760 --> 00:49:23.719 that are because and we've talked about this too, right 1131 00:49:23.960 --> 00:49:26.039 especial when we're talking about the Book of Genesis. How 1132 00:49:26.079 --> 00:49:28.480 do you explain, as a father to your five year 1133 00:49:28.480 --> 00:49:29.719 old where babies come from. 1134 00:49:30.000 --> 00:49:32.239 You don't give them the whole story. You don't lie 1135 00:49:32.320 --> 00:49:33.000 to them either. 1136 00:49:33.119 --> 00:49:36.280 You give them a very very very g rated version 1137 00:49:36.280 --> 00:49:39.000 of how things go down. Right, Daddy holds mommy really close, 1138 00:49:39.280 --> 00:49:41.880 a baby grows and Mommy's tummy and that you didn't lie. 1139 00:49:42.480 --> 00:49:45.679 You just left out all of the key details because 1140 00:49:45.679 --> 00:49:47.880 this is a child. They have no context, no frame 1141 00:49:47.920 --> 00:49:50.719 of reference. I believe a lot of things. 1142 00:49:50.320 --> 00:49:51.320 Uh you use. 1143 00:49:51.599 --> 00:49:58.159 Yeah. I get to like, well, you did birthing work 1144 00:49:58.199 --> 00:49:59.000 and they were there. 1145 00:49:58.840 --> 00:50:03.079 For it, so they underst well, my kids, I've never 1146 00:50:03.119 --> 00:50:06.559 actually well, now that my oldest is older, but I've 1147 00:50:06.559 --> 00:50:09.639 never actually explained. They never asked me where babies came from. 1148 00:50:09.760 --> 00:50:13.000 Never one time have they ever asked me. They've asked 1149 00:50:13.000 --> 00:50:15.039 a million other questions. And then, oh my god, my 1150 00:50:15.159 --> 00:50:19.360 one was younger, My oldest was younger. And this woman 1151 00:50:19.559 --> 00:50:22.079 we were having a discussion. She was pregnant and she 1152 00:50:22.239 --> 00:50:27.119 was having elected C section and he's like, well, that's 1153 00:50:27.119 --> 00:50:30.360 not how you give birth and I'm like how and 1154 00:50:30.400 --> 00:50:33.559 I was like and he's like no, he's like the 1155 00:50:33.599 --> 00:50:35.039 baby comes from the vagina. 1156 00:50:35.280 --> 00:50:36.840 And I was like, oh my god. 1157 00:50:37.440 --> 00:50:40.039 And this is like he was like six and I 1158 00:50:40.079 --> 00:50:43.079 was like I'm sorry, I'm sorry, and she's like it's okay, 1159 00:50:43.119 --> 00:50:43.599 and honesty. 1160 00:50:43.719 --> 00:50:46.599 He's like straight faced, like just staring her. 1161 00:50:46.559 --> 00:50:49.000 Down like mm mmmm, it's not getting cut out of you, 1162 00:50:49.360 --> 00:50:51.079 like that is not how this works. And I was 1163 00:50:51.119 --> 00:50:53.000 like stop it. Yet I was like, people, this is 1164 00:50:53.039 --> 00:50:55.840 another way, but it was. It was so funny because 1165 00:50:55.840 --> 00:50:58.320 he's like, no, this is this is the way. And 1166 00:50:58.360 --> 00:51:01.880 they've actually been present for one of my closest friends births. 1167 00:51:01.920 --> 00:51:04.039 They were they were actually there in the room during 1168 00:51:04.199 --> 00:51:05.719 COVID because we couldn't. 1169 00:51:05.800 --> 00:51:07.480 Uh it was right after COVID. 1170 00:51:07.519 --> 00:51:08.920 It was like twenty twenty one, I think she was 1171 00:51:08.960 --> 00:51:11.800 born and I was like, I have no one to 1172 00:51:11.840 --> 00:51:13.599 watch my kids. And she's like, well, bring them, so 1173 00:51:13.960 --> 00:51:18.119 here we all are and the staff was like, oh, well, 1174 00:51:18.159 --> 00:51:20.639 we can't really have them in the room, so they 1175 00:51:20.639 --> 00:51:22.199 had to like stand off to this side. 1176 00:51:22.559 --> 00:51:25.039 And my daughter was like, you're okay, You're doing great. 1177 00:51:26.519 --> 00:51:27.119 That cute. 1178 00:51:27.239 --> 00:51:28.000 It was really cute. 1179 00:51:28.039 --> 00:51:28.280 Over. 1180 00:51:28.400 --> 00:51:32.039 I had my first daughter I had in twenty nineteen 1181 00:51:32.079 --> 00:51:34.559 before COVID hit, right, and then my second daughter I 1182 00:51:34.639 --> 00:51:37.000 had during COVID, and they did a C section with 1183 00:51:37.039 --> 00:51:38.760 my wife and they wouldn't allow me in the room. 1184 00:51:39.119 --> 00:51:40.840 Oh my first daughter was born. I was allowed in 1185 00:51:40.840 --> 00:51:43.400 the room, no album, but they just took my wife 1186 00:51:43.400 --> 00:51:46.199 away and I'm like, wow, like this is this is crazy. 1187 00:51:46.039 --> 00:51:48.400 They you know, because of COVID, they have all these 1188 00:51:48.400 --> 00:51:52.280 restrictions on being in the ring. So oh, my goodness. Yeah, 1189 00:51:52.280 --> 00:51:54.920 it sucks. So the third one though, was just too quick. 1190 00:51:54.960 --> 00:51:56.960 I couldn't even I couldn't make it in time, just 1191 00:51:58.280 --> 00:52:01.360 too fast. But anyways, yeah, so what asting. 1192 00:52:01.320 --> 00:52:03.840 So whenever we're talking about, like the biblical narratives on things, 1193 00:52:04.079 --> 00:52:06.000 some of it I do believe is literal, and there 1194 00:52:06.119 --> 00:52:08.280 they listed out to be literal. Some of it I 1195 00:52:08.320 --> 00:52:11.920 believe is more of God giving divine revelation to Moses, 1196 00:52:11.960 --> 00:52:14.159 but in a very dumb down way that the human 1197 00:52:14.199 --> 00:52:18.119 brain can contemplate, because we cannot we can't conceive all 1198 00:52:18.159 --> 00:52:19.000 of what God is. 1199 00:52:19.039 --> 00:52:22.280 Wait, we have like six million years. What if like 1200 00:52:22.280 --> 00:52:24.840 the six days were million a million years each, and 1201 00:52:24.920 --> 00:52:27.440 I've heard that narrative be said before, that would be 1202 00:52:27.760 --> 00:52:30.639 more align, I guess, because it says that the day 1203 00:52:30.719 --> 00:52:33.159 is like an eon, is like a day to God. 1204 00:52:33.320 --> 00:52:36.440 But whenever he told the human race here's what happened, 1205 00:52:36.440 --> 00:52:38.679 He gave them days as a frame of reference. 1206 00:52:38.679 --> 00:52:41.119 What it was like six hundred million years that took time? 1207 00:52:41.199 --> 00:52:43.239 Like that would be that would make more sense to 1208 00:52:43.280 --> 00:52:45.800 me because then Pangeu it would make more sense in 1209 00:52:45.840 --> 00:52:49.719 the sense in the biblical narrative for me, because Pangaea 1210 00:52:49.880 --> 00:52:51.679 was three hundred and thirty five million years ago. 1211 00:52:51.960 --> 00:52:54.840 But then also, like he said, on day one, this happened, 1212 00:52:54.880 --> 00:52:56.840 Day two, this happens. So now we're talking about how 1213 00:52:56.840 --> 00:53:00.400 could the plants subsist without the sun? 1214 00:53:00.559 --> 00:53:03.320 I mean were created in universe, so like any people 1215 00:53:03.400 --> 00:53:06.400 found a way, so like anything literally can happen at 1216 00:53:06.400 --> 00:53:10.239 that point. If he is like all everything, then why 1217 00:53:10.599 --> 00:53:13.039 does it need like there's microbes that are living on 1218 00:53:13.079 --> 00:53:13.800 another planet? 1219 00:53:13.920 --> 00:53:15.679 So like yeah, true. 1220 00:53:15.519 --> 00:53:17.960 I mean if we really want to get like super 1221 00:53:17.960 --> 00:53:21.199 technical about it, I mean, it would make sense to 1222 00:53:21.239 --> 00:53:24.159 me if it was actually in like millions years or 1223 00:53:24.320 --> 00:53:26.880 a billion years or something, because I mean time is 1224 00:53:27.400 --> 00:53:30.280 time is non existence pretty much for something. If he 1225 00:53:30.400 --> 00:53:33.159 is that old and that being, you know, why would 1226 00:53:33.199 --> 00:53:35.239 it matter if it took a billion years to create it? 1227 00:53:35.320 --> 00:53:37.840 How much energy did it did it take to create 1228 00:53:38.440 --> 00:53:41.039 versus like, you know, whatever was going on. I mean, 1229 00:53:41.079 --> 00:53:43.519 he's been in you know, a spiritual war up there 1230 00:53:43.559 --> 00:53:44.960 and everything else that's been happening. 1231 00:53:45.000 --> 00:53:47.000 So so that's kind of where I'm at with it, 1232 00:53:47.079 --> 00:53:49.639 And it's not to try to blend science and religion. 1233 00:53:50.039 --> 00:53:52.440 I kind of get down with that theory of like, Okay, 1234 00:53:52.480 --> 00:53:55.719 so I think it's millions of years old. Human written 1235 00:53:55.800 --> 00:53:58.639 history might only be so old. But I believe Moses 1236 00:53:58.639 --> 00:54:01.559 got divinely inspired word from the source and wrote it 1237 00:54:01.599 --> 00:54:03.920 down as he was told to write it down. But 1238 00:54:04.000 --> 00:54:06.320 I don't believe that God has given us the entire picture. 1239 00:54:06.519 --> 00:54:09.360 I think he gave us our Like I don't believe 1240 00:54:09.360 --> 00:54:11.760 that the Bible is an all encompassing source. It is 1241 00:54:11.840 --> 00:54:14.239 a source for us to live the best fulfilled life 1242 00:54:14.280 --> 00:54:16.199 that he called us to live. But there are so 1243 00:54:16.280 --> 00:54:18.920 many levels on background, things that we are not privy 1244 00:54:18.960 --> 00:54:20.800 to just yet, and we don't need to be privy 1245 00:54:20.800 --> 00:54:22.719 to it just yet, just like the child who's asking 1246 00:54:22.719 --> 00:54:25.480 where babies come from, Like one day you'll understand this 1247 00:54:25.840 --> 00:54:28.880 today is not that day, So like on that point, Yes, however, 1248 00:54:29.719 --> 00:54:32.920 I believe the Leviathan is real, like literally real, and 1249 00:54:32.960 --> 00:54:37.079 I believe it's living in Marianna's trench. Oh yeah, yeah, Josh, 1250 00:54:37.159 --> 00:54:39.679 you take on the Leviathan. 1251 00:54:39.320 --> 00:54:41.000 The giant bastard down there. 1252 00:54:41.639 --> 00:54:43.599 I love Jacob. He's like, oh, this is not real, 1253 00:54:43.639 --> 00:54:47.039 but it's not. 1254 00:54:47.280 --> 00:54:50.320 There is a giant dragon snake living in Marianna's trench. 1255 00:54:50.400 --> 00:54:50.760 Right now. 1256 00:54:50.840 --> 00:54:53.239 I am convinced of it beyond all, like to the 1257 00:54:53.280 --> 00:54:54.599 point of arrogance, honestly. 1258 00:54:54.920 --> 00:55:00.239 But oh so yeah. So in Exodus twenty versus even 1259 00:55:00.280 --> 00:55:02.480 it says, for in six days the Lord made heaven 1260 00:55:02.519 --> 00:55:04.960 and earth, the sea and all that is in them, 1261 00:55:05.000 --> 00:55:07.760 and rested on the seventh day. Right, So I see, 1262 00:55:07.760 --> 00:55:10.960 I take Exodus because Moses is writing that. Also Moses 1263 00:55:10.960 --> 00:55:15.800 wrote Genesis. And in Genesis it's what it is is 1264 00:55:16.280 --> 00:55:18.440 it says in the very beginning God created the heavens 1265 00:55:18.440 --> 00:55:21.440 and the earth, right, and then it says which the 1266 00:55:21.480 --> 00:55:23.719 heavens is. There's three different heavens. First heaven is where 1267 00:55:23.719 --> 00:55:26.280 the moonsune the stars are located. Second heaven is the firmament, 1268 00:55:26.480 --> 00:55:28.920 which is mentioned in Genesis one eight, and the third 1269 00:55:28.920 --> 00:55:31.639 heaven was where God's throne is located. So as I'm 1270 00:55:31.679 --> 00:55:35.760 reading Genesis, some people would say this, They would say, hey, well, 1271 00:55:35.920 --> 00:55:38.320 what God did is God was trying to give them, 1272 00:55:39.280 --> 00:55:41.599 you know, give them a download, like Jacob was saying, 1273 00:55:41.639 --> 00:55:44.440 for them to understand. But for me, God had a 1274 00:55:44.440 --> 00:55:48.840 blank slate like he you know, between a scientist now 1275 00:55:48.960 --> 00:55:52.519 and and Moses, what's the difference between their brain. I 1276 00:55:52.519 --> 00:55:54.239 don't believe there's a difference between their brain. I think 1277 00:55:54.239 --> 00:55:56.719 Moses could have taken it either way. God could have 1278 00:55:56.760 --> 00:56:00.000 told them, hey, I created everything thirteen point eight billion 1279 00:56:00.119 --> 00:56:02.360 years ago. Moses said, now you guys are here six 1280 00:56:02.400 --> 00:56:04.440 thousand years late, or you know, thirteen point eight billion 1281 00:56:04.480 --> 00:56:06.719 years later. But no, the way he broke it down 1282 00:56:06.920 --> 00:56:09.119 is that he created the heavens and the earth, and 1283 00:56:09.239 --> 00:56:11.280 I think he just basically did it day by day. 1284 00:56:11.639 --> 00:56:14.199 And God is a glorious God, and there's glory in 1285 00:56:14.239 --> 00:56:16.199 that for him to do everything in a day. He 1286 00:56:16.280 --> 00:56:19.199 created the firmament it talks about in one day, right, 1287 00:56:19.239 --> 00:56:21.599 So I think that's that is something that's a massive creation, 1288 00:56:22.039 --> 00:56:25.079 whether the firmament is outside the galaxies like scientists would 1289 00:56:25.079 --> 00:56:26.559 have to say now if they do believe the Bible, 1290 00:56:26.639 --> 00:56:30.239 or the firmament is closer like I believe, I believe 1291 00:56:30.280 --> 00:56:32.960 that there's six literal days. And it actually the way 1292 00:56:33.000 --> 00:56:35.719 that it says it is like in the evening and 1293 00:56:35.760 --> 00:56:38.199 morning were the first day that God said, let there 1294 00:56:38.199 --> 00:56:40.320 be and that God said, this is interesting too, was 1295 00:56:40.400 --> 00:56:43.119 when God said let there be let there be light. 1296 00:56:44.599 --> 00:56:47.280 He's actually it's it's like him speaking the word and 1297 00:56:47.320 --> 00:56:50.719 then something is created like that word said means exist. 1298 00:56:50.880 --> 00:56:55.280 So God says exist firmament exists, moon, sun, and stars exists. 1299 00:56:55.320 --> 00:56:58.199 He's actually just saying exist, and then it does exist. 1300 00:56:58.599 --> 00:57:01.440 And I do believe that it six literal days, and 1301 00:57:01.440 --> 00:57:03.639 and that's what that's why I take it this way, 1302 00:57:03.679 --> 00:57:07.719 because because I took all my preconceived biases I learned 1303 00:57:07.719 --> 00:57:09.800 in school and anything I've learned from man or anything, 1304 00:57:09.800 --> 00:57:11.079 and I just put it to the side, and then 1305 00:57:11.119 --> 00:57:13.599 I literally just start reading the Bible and digging. And 1306 00:57:13.679 --> 00:57:16.320 when the Bible says the morning and the evening or 1307 00:57:16.360 --> 00:57:18.800 the first day, I think that that puts a day one. 1308 00:57:18.840 --> 00:57:20.880 And then when it says, like you know, God created 1309 00:57:20.880 --> 00:57:23.159 the firmament and the evening and morning with the second day, 1310 00:57:23.239 --> 00:57:25.760 that's that's the second day. And it actually confirms this 1311 00:57:25.960 --> 00:57:29.760 in the book of Genesis because it in Genesis one 1312 00:57:29.880 --> 00:57:32.679 two or in Genesis two, it actually says that this 1313 00:57:32.760 --> 00:57:35.920 is the history of how the heavens were made and 1314 00:57:35.960 --> 00:57:38.320 the days that it was created. And that's what God 1315 00:57:38.400 --> 00:57:41.239 is saying to Moses, right, So, uh, this is why 1316 00:57:41.280 --> 00:57:43.920 I take it as literal days. Now, what happens is 1317 00:57:44.800 --> 00:57:46.679 science is going to come in and they're going to 1318 00:57:46.760 --> 00:57:49.639 tell you certain things. And that's what I do. I Basically, 1319 00:57:49.920 --> 00:57:52.519 I filter whatever I learned from science and I filter 1320 00:57:52.639 --> 00:57:54.480 it through the Bible, and if it doesn't match up 1321 00:57:54.519 --> 00:57:57.079 to the Bible, then I just believe what the Bible says. 1322 00:57:57.239 --> 00:57:59.159 So that's the way I take it. But the way 1323 00:57:59.159 --> 00:58:02.199 that Jacob does it, Jacob is open, and I think 1324 00:58:02.239 --> 00:58:05.800 that you guys are and that's that's perfectly fine. However 1325 00:58:05.840 --> 00:58:09.880 someone does it just it just depends on your take space. 1326 00:58:11.599 --> 00:58:13.760 I believe in space. Yeah, I believe that there's I 1327 00:58:13.800 --> 00:58:15.679 think that the first heaven is where the moon, sun, 1328 00:58:15.719 --> 00:58:18.599 of the stars are actually located. So do I believe 1329 00:58:18.639 --> 00:58:22.280 that space is infinite and that it's it's expanding at 1330 00:58:22.280 --> 00:58:24.360 one point three million miles an hour and that we're 1331 00:58:24.679 --> 00:58:26.920 that we're traveling through space at five hundred and forty 1332 00:58:27.039 --> 00:58:29.480 million miles an hour. Do I believe that the Earth 1333 00:58:29.559 --> 00:58:33.039 is orbiting the Sun at sixty six thousand miles an 1334 00:58:33.079 --> 00:58:35.039 hour or that we're spinning one thousand miles an hour. No, 1335 00:58:35.079 --> 00:58:37.880 I don't believe that. I believe that we are. If 1336 00:58:37.880 --> 00:58:40.000 the Earth is a globe, that it is going to 1337 00:58:40.079 --> 00:58:43.719 be geocentric, and that the Earth is not moving. And 1338 00:58:43.760 --> 00:58:45.519 the reason why I believe that is because I compare 1339 00:58:45.519 --> 00:58:48.039 it to what the Bible says about certain things, which 1340 00:58:48.079 --> 00:58:50.320 I don't want to get into here because we've done 1341 00:58:50.320 --> 00:58:53.719 a whole biblical homology episode. But there's certain things in 1342 00:58:53.719 --> 00:58:55.519 the Bible where I believe that the Earth is the 1343 00:58:55.559 --> 00:58:58.199 center of the if you call it a universe. But 1344 00:58:58.880 --> 00:59:01.679 currently I believe that the the Earth. It says that 1345 00:59:01.679 --> 00:59:04.519 the Earth was created first, right, and then it says 1346 00:59:04.519 --> 00:59:06.519 that God created the moon, sun and the stars on 1347 00:59:06.559 --> 00:59:09.480 the fourth day, So the Earth is like the center 1348 00:59:09.639 --> 00:59:12.920 of you know, Earth, which was created for us, is 1349 00:59:12.960 --> 00:59:15.800 like the center of everything, not that the Earth is 1350 00:59:15.840 --> 00:59:18.639 just a speck of dust or orbiting the sun, you know, 1351 00:59:18.760 --> 00:59:20.599 and and that the Sun is needed. You know. What 1352 00:59:20.639 --> 00:59:23.400 happens is with the heliocentric model is the Sun is 1353 00:59:23.440 --> 00:59:25.840 the main focus, you know, because that's why it says 1354 00:59:25.880 --> 00:59:28.360 four points six billion years ago God created the Sun 1355 00:59:28.440 --> 00:59:32.199 first because everything has to orbit it. I'm sorry. Science 1356 00:59:32.239 --> 00:59:34.039 says that the Sun is created first, so that because 1357 00:59:34.039 --> 00:59:36.039 everything has to orbit it right in our in our 1358 00:59:36.199 --> 00:59:38.480 solar system. But if you go into the Bible, the 1359 00:59:38.559 --> 00:59:41.320 Earth is created first. So the reason for that, I 1360 00:59:41.360 --> 00:59:44.079 think is because the moon, Sun, of the stars are 1361 00:59:44.599 --> 00:59:47.920 are are are created and there there there's something that 1362 00:59:48.280 --> 00:59:51.719 the Earth doesn't doesn't need to revolve around the Sun. 1363 00:59:51.840 --> 00:59:54.159 I think that that those need to revolve around the Earth, 1364 00:59:54.199 --> 00:59:56.960 if that makes sense, because the Earth is is special, 1365 00:59:57.119 --> 00:59:59.360 it's created for us, if that makes sense. 1366 01:00:00.079 --> 01:00:03.280 Hmmm, So what about aliens then I. 1367 01:00:03.239 --> 01:00:06.519 Think aliens is interesting take. But I don't think aliens 1368 01:00:06.519 --> 01:00:09.039 would come from outer space. I think that if there, if. 1369 01:00:08.960 --> 01:00:11.880 They're well within the globe. So if they're within the globe, 1370 01:00:11.920 --> 01:00:13.440 then are they, say the he. 1371 01:00:13.840 --> 01:00:16.920 Let's let's just say the heliocentric model is true. Now. 1372 01:00:16.960 --> 01:00:19.760 I think that the only creation that we have is 1373 01:00:19.920 --> 01:00:25.119 human beings, and we have fallen angels, demons, and the devil, 1374 01:00:25.280 --> 01:00:27.719 and that's it for me. So if there's anything called 1375 01:00:27.719 --> 01:00:30.159 an alien, I think that if you go to the 1376 01:00:30.159 --> 01:00:33.840 Book of Ezekiel, you see that that that there's angels 1377 01:00:33.880 --> 01:00:36.599 traveling with within a will, within a wheel. Right, So 1378 01:00:36.800 --> 01:00:39.719 I think that there's all there is is those. That's 1379 01:00:39.760 --> 01:00:41.400 all that I think that there is. I don't think 1380 01:00:41.440 --> 01:00:44.559 that there's aliens per se, but I do believe that 1381 01:00:44.599 --> 01:00:47.920 there's spiritual entities. Right. So let's say if you I 1382 01:00:47.920 --> 01:00:50.320 think that these things are traveling through dimensions and not 1383 01:00:50.639 --> 01:00:53.880 from outer space or from different planets. I think that 1384 01:00:53.960 --> 01:00:56.360 it is a spiritual war that we're in and that 1385 01:00:56.400 --> 01:00:58.920 there is no aliens. I think that there is. But 1386 01:00:59.239 --> 01:01:00.400 that is just my take. 1387 01:01:00.880 --> 01:01:04.719 But that's the rest in costumes like on Halloween. 1388 01:01:05.599 --> 01:01:08.519 Well, they're just they're just fucking with us, like ha ha. 1389 01:01:09.039 --> 01:01:10.119 I mean it's very possible. 1390 01:01:10.360 --> 01:01:12.400 But at the same time, to a person who's not 1391 01:01:12.920 --> 01:01:15.920 religious and they see a glowing orb, they would think 1392 01:01:15.920 --> 01:01:18.960 that that's obviously aliens. But you're saying that that's actually 1393 01:01:19.000 --> 01:01:20.400 a type of angelic being. 1394 01:01:21.280 --> 01:01:23.639 I think that it would be angelic, yes, And if 1395 01:01:23.639 --> 01:01:27.000 you think about it, like aliens are you know, these 1396 01:01:27.079 --> 01:01:30.119 these even fallen angels and demons and and things in 1397 01:01:30.159 --> 01:01:32.159 the Bible, they have to stay. They have to stay. 1398 01:01:32.559 --> 01:01:35.079 They have to follow God's rules as well. Right, they 1399 01:01:35.119 --> 01:01:37.960 can't just uh, you know, a demon can't just come 1400 01:01:38.039 --> 01:01:40.440 up to Raven and just enter her whenever it wants, like. 1401 01:01:40.480 --> 01:01:42.400 It has to have a channel and it has to 1402 01:01:42.440 --> 01:01:44.920 be accepted. Right, So there's different rules that they have 1403 01:01:45.000 --> 01:01:47.960 to follow, you know. So I do believe that. Now 1404 01:01:48.000 --> 01:01:51.079 as far as UFOs having aliens on it, I don't 1405 01:01:51.079 --> 01:01:53.679 believe in that, you know, I do believe in the Bible, 1406 01:01:53.719 --> 01:01:56.840 it's it's going to be uh, it's only gonna be uh. 1407 01:01:56.880 --> 01:01:58.760 There's only a few different things that are created. I 1408 01:01:58.760 --> 01:02:01.280 think that there's angels that were created, and I think 1409 01:02:01.320 --> 01:02:04.840 that humans were created from God. But as far as 1410 01:02:04.880 --> 01:02:07.360 fallen angels, I think they did have sex with women 1411 01:02:07.440 --> 01:02:09.519 and then the nepheline were created from that. And I 1412 01:02:09.559 --> 01:02:12.880 believe that their spirits are what demons are today. And 1413 01:02:12.920 --> 01:02:14.599 I think that's all there is. I don't think that 1414 01:02:14.639 --> 01:02:17.880 there's aliens. So what's your take on aliens A couple? 1415 01:02:18.039 --> 01:02:20.719 Well, yeah, go ahead, you have are me or her? 1416 01:02:20.880 --> 01:02:22.599 It would be you because you're me. 1417 01:02:24.320 --> 01:02:26.719 Because I was sitting here actually drawing out the globe 1418 01:02:26.880 --> 01:02:28.760 in my I have like think about what. 1419 01:02:28.679 --> 01:02:31.159 You're like the globe's talking. 1420 01:02:31.000 --> 01:02:34.679 Flat keeping well, so yeah, no, I was sitting here 1421 01:02:34.679 --> 01:02:36.519 like drawing it out in my head of like what 1422 01:02:36.639 --> 01:02:38.880 it would look like, because I've seen it. I've seen 1423 01:02:38.920 --> 01:02:40.760 different models of what it would look like. So you're 1424 01:02:40.800 --> 01:02:44.079 talking about like it like this is us and then 1425 01:02:44.119 --> 01:02:47.519 the firmament, and then above it is like the heavens. 1426 01:02:47.840 --> 01:02:51.639 Okay, So like the ground, the ground is is us 1427 01:02:51.760 --> 01:02:56.119 right above us? Okay, and then yeah, so that's basically okay. 1428 01:02:56.159 --> 01:02:58.000 So I was right with okay, I had I had 1429 01:02:58.039 --> 01:03:00.519 to visually see it in my mind because I was like, hmm, 1430 01:03:00.719 --> 01:03:02.760 let me, let me be cause I've I've I've heard 1431 01:03:02.760 --> 01:03:04.760 a lot of different theories. And like I've said before, 1432 01:03:04.800 --> 01:03:07.639 I have friends that are flat Earthers, but different flavors 1433 01:03:07.639 --> 01:03:08.239 of flat Earth. 1434 01:03:08.360 --> 01:03:11.320 There's many varieties, there's a lot. It's like a variety pack. 1435 01:03:11.480 --> 01:03:15.639 So I've heard different theories, but like, conceptually, I'm trying 1436 01:03:15.639 --> 01:03:16.519 to think of it in my mind. 1437 01:03:16.519 --> 01:03:18.440 I'm like, is this like, uh, we just. 1438 01:03:18.400 --> 01:03:20.400 Watched Crumpus the other day, and so I was thinking 1439 01:03:20.440 --> 01:03:22.760 about how he had all little snow globes sitting on 1440 01:03:22.800 --> 01:03:23.239 his shelf. 1441 01:03:23.519 --> 01:03:25.519 I was like, is it like he has like a 1442 01:03:25.559 --> 01:03:26.440 globe sitting. 1443 01:03:26.199 --> 01:03:28.920 On the shelf, and like here's one universe, here's another universe, 1444 01:03:29.000 --> 01:03:29.440 like you know. 1445 01:03:29.719 --> 01:03:31.000 Has a collection of them. 1446 01:03:31.039 --> 01:03:33.440 We only know what he's told us, So like our 1447 01:03:33.559 --> 01:03:36.199 universe might be like a snow globe on God's desk 1448 01:03:36.440 --> 01:03:38.760 for lack of better words and making very euphimistic here, 1449 01:03:38.840 --> 01:03:41.039 but bear with me. And meanwhile, he has this whole 1450 01:03:41.079 --> 01:03:45.280 other universe that he built the most quad trillion years 1451 01:03:45.320 --> 01:03:47.679 ago that we've never heard of, heard nothing about, but 1452 01:03:47.760 --> 01:03:50.119 like that's another project of his. I believe the God 1453 01:03:50.119 --> 01:03:52.880 that we worship is large enough to have way more 1454 01:03:52.880 --> 01:03:54.519 things going on than he told us. 1455 01:03:54.760 --> 01:03:57.599 That's all the way he make us so feeble, though, 1456 01:03:58.000 --> 01:04:00.599 what do you mean, Like, why are like our meat 1457 01:04:00.679 --> 01:04:04.000 sacks are pretty destructible easily, Like you know, like you 1458 01:04:04.000 --> 01:04:06.360 would think that you'd make them more. 1459 01:04:07.639 --> 01:04:09.360 Lasting, longer or less. 1460 01:04:09.400 --> 01:04:09.599 You know. 1461 01:04:09.639 --> 01:04:11.360 We see, we were we at one point, we did 1462 01:04:11.400 --> 01:04:14.440 live hundreds and hundreds of years, and then humans screwed 1463 01:04:14.480 --> 01:04:16.679 around and God was like, fine, nobody lives pasted one 1464 01:04:16.719 --> 01:04:18.000 hundred and twenty because y'all can't figure. 1465 01:04:18.000 --> 01:04:20.440 It's meant to live. We're meant to live forever with God. 1466 01:04:20.599 --> 01:04:22.840 And that's what's going to happen in Revelation at the end, 1467 01:04:23.119 --> 01:04:24.679 is there's going to be a new heaven and new 1468 01:04:24.719 --> 01:04:27.719 Earth where God is walking amongst the people and we 1469 01:04:27.800 --> 01:04:29.840 are living forever. That's what the whole story is about. 1470 01:04:29.960 --> 01:04:32.159 Is it starts out in the garden Adam and Eve 1471 01:04:32.239 --> 01:04:34.320 where they're supposed to live with God and they're walking 1472 01:04:34.360 --> 01:04:36.639 with God, speaking with God, and then all of a sudden, 1473 01:04:36.639 --> 01:04:39.480 the Fall happens, and then now we become that feeble body, 1474 01:04:39.519 --> 01:04:41.880 you know. So, and they were living nine hundred years, 1475 01:04:41.920 --> 01:04:44.119 you know, before the flood, and then it got it 1476 01:04:44.159 --> 01:04:46.400 got put down to one hundred and twenty years, and 1477 01:04:46.800 --> 01:04:47.760 that's just where we're at. 1478 01:04:47.760 --> 01:04:51.519 Well that, I mean five years. 1479 01:04:51.519 --> 01:04:53.679 Even in some Marian texts they talk about a king 1480 01:04:53.800 --> 01:04:56.920 living like thirty thousand years and way back when. Now 1481 01:04:56.960 --> 01:04:58.800 there are some people that are like, no, that's not 1482 01:04:58.920 --> 01:04:59.599 actual years. 1483 01:04:59.639 --> 01:05:02.480 But then for thousand years is past the creation theory. 1484 01:05:02.719 --> 01:05:06.199 I'm just hearing like they're saying that the year designation 1485 01:05:06.360 --> 01:05:09.000 is because he was that important, he accomplished so much, 1486 01:05:09.079 --> 01:05:11.239 it's as if he lived that long. And it's like, brother, 1487 01:05:11.719 --> 01:05:14.360 you look, this dude says thirty thousand, his kid lived 1488 01:05:14.360 --> 01:05:17.199 ten thousand, his kid lived a thousand. Like they got 1489 01:05:17.280 --> 01:05:19.480 shorter and shorter as time goes on into what we 1490 01:05:19.519 --> 01:05:22.519 would have as far as like historically backed written history. 1491 01:05:22.639 --> 01:05:25.159 And it's like, no, that pretty much they were on 1492 01:05:25.239 --> 01:05:27.599 the money as far as that goes with the flood 1493 01:05:27.599 --> 01:05:29.880 and everything else. So it's like, ah, all right, And 1494 01:05:29.920 --> 01:05:31.480 then this is another one where it's like how much 1495 01:05:31.519 --> 01:05:34.519 of that was legend and lore and myth for the 1496 01:05:34.559 --> 01:05:37.239 Sumerians and they wrote it down one day, and now 1497 01:05:37.280 --> 01:05:39.960 it's just seen as, oh, well, we found this artifact 1498 01:05:39.960 --> 01:05:42.760 that even written history doesn't acknowledge a thirty thousand year 1499 01:05:42.760 --> 01:05:45.760 old king, right, But it's at least something that is 1500 01:05:45.800 --> 01:05:49.400 written down. So this is why archaeologists are, in my opinion, 1501 01:05:49.440 --> 01:05:51.559 really cool, because they're able to like take these things 1502 01:05:51.559 --> 01:05:53.760 and dissect it and start to try to paint a picture. 1503 01:05:53.800 --> 01:05:56.159 But as you have learned, and as I have learned, 1504 01:05:56.159 --> 01:05:59.320 and as Josh Monday has said many times, the historical 1505 01:05:59.360 --> 01:06:01.559 picture is not always accurate. 1506 01:06:02.000 --> 01:06:02.199 Oh. 1507 01:06:02.280 --> 01:06:05.800 I mean, they can redact anything, they can hide anything, 1508 01:06:05.880 --> 01:06:08.280 they can change things, unless you're actually doing the work 1509 01:06:08.880 --> 01:06:09.920 by your own hand. 1510 01:06:11.000 --> 01:06:14.800 I mean, evens the long neck. That's another example. 1511 01:06:14.840 --> 01:06:17.679 We thought for years little foot that that was a 1512 01:06:17.719 --> 01:06:18.639 real dinosaur. 1513 01:06:18.679 --> 01:06:20.840 In my house, speaking of this is so stupid, but 1514 01:06:20.920 --> 01:06:23.480 don't ask where my mind went there. I was driving 1515 01:06:23.599 --> 01:06:26.519 and then like the sun's rising and a whole bunch 1516 01:06:26.519 --> 01:06:29.280 of geese were out in this field, but from afar 1517 01:06:29.400 --> 01:06:31.840 they look like baby long necks. Oh god, I actually 1518 01:06:31.880 --> 01:06:33.800 took a picture and I was like, oh, my me. 1519 01:06:34.119 --> 01:06:36.159 But I also really loved Jurassic Park, and so my 1520 01:06:36.239 --> 01:06:38.639 brain was like, oh, dinosaurs. 1521 01:06:38.800 --> 01:06:41.880 Oh my god, even thought the long neck was a 1522 01:06:41.880 --> 01:06:44.159 dinosaur for years and years and years, Yeah, only to 1523 01:06:44.239 --> 01:06:46.679 discover that was made up. This woman took the skull 1524 01:06:46.719 --> 01:06:48.360 of one thing, the neck of one thing, the body 1525 01:06:48.360 --> 01:06:51.679 of another thing, glued together, and we have believed that 1526 01:06:51.800 --> 01:06:53.840 for so long, and it's like, yeah, but that's history, 1527 01:06:53.880 --> 01:06:56.599 that's archaeology, that's it's like, that's that was a fraud. 1528 01:06:56.840 --> 01:06:59.360 Yeah, you know, you said the sun was rising, So 1529 01:06:59.480 --> 01:07:02.480 I think she's already thinking about flat Earth because the 1530 01:07:02.599 --> 01:07:04.519 Earth is actually supposed to be moving and the sun's 1531 01:07:04.559 --> 01:07:10.039 not rising in your in your model. So yeah, okay, 1532 01:07:10.079 --> 01:07:12.800 so you were talking about alienen Yeah, let's read it. 1533 01:07:12.880 --> 01:07:14.599 Let's read a verse in the Bible that kind of 1534 01:07:15.159 --> 01:07:17.400 kind of gives this is in the Ephesian, So this 1535 01:07:17.440 --> 01:07:20.440 is New Testament, right, fall speaking, He says, for we 1536 01:07:20.440 --> 01:07:23.320 do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against principalities, 1537 01:07:23.360 --> 01:07:26.280 against powers, against the rulers of darkness of this age, 1538 01:07:26.599 --> 01:07:30.519 against spiritual hosts of wickedness and heavenly places. So I 1539 01:07:30.519 --> 01:07:34.360 think that's interesting because he's not just talking about he's 1540 01:07:34.360 --> 01:07:36.559 just not talking about just demons that are on earth 1541 01:07:36.559 --> 01:07:38.719 that we're now there are spirits that are roaming the earth. 1542 01:07:38.920 --> 01:07:41.960 He's talking about spiritual hosts of wickedness and heavenly places 1543 01:07:42.000 --> 01:07:45.199 meaning the sky, right, that's what heavenly places are. It 1544 01:07:45.199 --> 01:07:47.480 doesn't mean the earth. So that's what's going on. So 1545 01:07:47.760 --> 01:07:50.320 even in the book of Daniel, you have a there's 1546 01:07:50.320 --> 01:07:53.599 this this fallen angel, the Prince of Persia that's trying 1547 01:07:53.639 --> 01:07:56.719 to prevent this angel from coming down and answering Daniel's prayer. 1548 01:07:56.719 --> 01:07:58.639 And it took three weeks for his prayer to get answered. 1549 01:07:58.800 --> 01:08:00.760 He was fasting waiting for this angel to come. So 1550 01:08:00.760 --> 01:08:02.440 when he came, he was like, why did it take 1551 01:08:02.480 --> 01:08:04.079 you so long? And he said, well, I had to 1552 01:08:04.079 --> 01:08:06.599 fight against the Prince of Persia to come here, not 1553 01:08:06.719 --> 01:08:10.599 meaning a literal human prince, but talking about a principality 1554 01:08:10.960 --> 01:08:11.360 I've gotten. 1555 01:08:11.440 --> 01:08:13.199 I've had that talk with people too, when they're talking 1556 01:08:13.199 --> 01:08:15.079 about the Prince of Persia. It's like, yes, the Persian 1557 01:08:15.079 --> 01:08:18.680 Empire was a thing. The angel was not actually duking 1558 01:08:18.720 --> 01:08:22.000 it out with the current seated prince of the Persian 1559 01:08:22.079 --> 01:08:22.760 nation is. 1560 01:08:22.760 --> 01:08:25.439 A prince principality, right, And what happens is there was 1561 01:08:25.479 --> 01:08:29.439 a seventy nations got divided in Deuteronomy, and God put 1562 01:08:29.520 --> 01:08:32.359 a principality over each nation. Now, if you want to 1563 01:08:32.399 --> 01:08:34.800 worship other gods, then he would have no problem putting 1564 01:08:34.800 --> 01:08:37.520 a principality over that nation. You can have your other gods. 1565 01:08:37.720 --> 01:08:40.560 But God was obviously over the Israelites. So what happens 1566 01:08:40.680 --> 01:08:44.439 is it talks about spiritual host of wickedness in heavenly places, 1567 01:08:44.479 --> 01:08:47.479 which is where we look up and see what we see. 1568 01:08:47.520 --> 01:08:51.560 These these you could say UFOs, or fallen stars or 1569 01:08:51.600 --> 01:08:55.199 fallen angels. That's where I think the spiritual battles are happening, 1570 01:08:55.279 --> 01:08:58.680 and they're happening between Earth and where God's throne is located. 1571 01:08:58.960 --> 01:09:01.680 And sometimes they're spiritual battles happening that we don't even 1572 01:09:01.720 --> 01:09:04.239 know about. And God is doing things in the spiritual 1573 01:09:04.279 --> 01:09:06.039 that we don't even know about, and it could be 1574 01:09:06.079 --> 01:09:10.000 saving your life or saving you from destruction, saving you 1575 01:09:10.079 --> 01:09:13.520 from temptations, whatever he's saving you from. I think there's 1576 01:09:13.560 --> 01:09:16.399 things happening in the spiritual that we don't even know about. 1577 01:09:16.399 --> 01:09:18.119 And in the physical we're trying to just do our 1578 01:09:18.119 --> 01:09:21.520 best to maintain, but spiritually things are happening, like right now, 1579 01:09:21.840 --> 01:09:24.159 there could be some spirits trying to make it so 1580 01:09:24.239 --> 01:09:26.399 that I fumble my words or I do something wrong 1581 01:09:26.479 --> 01:09:29.239 because we're speaking about the Bible. I'm representing God. But 1582 01:09:29.560 --> 01:09:31.560 at the same time, God is protecting me, you know, 1583 01:09:31.640 --> 01:09:34.479 from doing that, you know. So I think it's interesting. 1584 01:09:34.479 --> 01:09:37.600 But the Bible does speak about things in the heavenly places, 1585 01:09:37.600 --> 01:09:40.079 and I think that when it talks about heavenly, that's 1586 01:09:40.119 --> 01:09:42.920 not the earth. Heavenly is in the sky. So there 1587 01:09:42.960 --> 01:09:45.520 are things that are happening. But I just take everything 1588 01:09:45.840 --> 01:09:50.640 from a spiritual aspect instead of like a alien or 1589 01:09:50.760 --> 01:09:53.760 like a that type of aspect, you know. Can there 1590 01:09:53.800 --> 01:09:58.680 be different things that are out there, like you know, 1591 01:09:58.800 --> 01:10:01.640 cryptid and things like that. Yeah, maybe there's some some 1592 01:10:01.640 --> 01:10:05.960 people would say that that's nepheline. DNA still survived the 1593 01:10:05.960 --> 01:10:07.800 flood and survived even after God. 1594 01:10:07.800 --> 01:10:10.720 Eliminated them, you know, Bigfoots maybe. 1595 01:10:10.760 --> 01:10:10.960 Yeah. 1596 01:10:11.560 --> 01:10:14.520 We've had multiple people say bigfoots are actually angelic entities, 1597 01:10:14.560 --> 01:10:16.239 and we've had other people say no, no, these are 1598 01:10:16.239 --> 01:10:20.600 obviously nephylimic entities, and it's like, okay, again, it's neither 1599 01:10:20.640 --> 01:10:22.199 of which are a salvation issue. 1600 01:10:22.239 --> 01:10:24.199 So believe whatever you want to believe, go for it, 1601 01:10:24.239 --> 01:10:24.439 you know. 1602 01:10:25.039 --> 01:10:26.640 But I did want to ask you this as we're 1603 01:10:26.640 --> 01:10:30.720 talking about aliens and things. So three I Atlas just 1604 01:10:31.000 --> 01:10:35.279 came through and all these things, and I had multiple 1605 01:10:35.279 --> 01:10:37.600 people in my life say that they believe that this 1606 01:10:37.760 --> 01:10:40.640 was an alien craft, and then other people saying these 1607 01:10:40.760 --> 01:10:43.399 this is a demonic craft because like you said. 1608 01:10:43.199 --> 01:10:45.079 They don't believe even need a ship. 1609 01:10:45.239 --> 01:10:46.159 That's what I was gonna say. 1610 01:10:46.239 --> 01:10:49.720 So biblically speaking, they talk about the angels use chariots 1611 01:10:49.720 --> 01:10:52.520 of fire at one point, Yes, why would an angel 1612 01:10:52.720 --> 01:10:55.479 need a craft of any type to come down. 1613 01:10:55.359 --> 01:10:58.399 And do things? I don't think angels have wings, you know, 1614 01:10:58.960 --> 01:11:01.239 you know, like like like all angels have wings, like 1615 01:11:01.279 --> 01:11:02.760 they try to put in Hollywood. 1616 01:11:02.720 --> 01:11:07.760 Angels wings, seraphim wings. But then like there's the Ophium 1617 01:11:07.800 --> 01:11:10.199 that are the the spinning eye types and those don't 1618 01:11:10.239 --> 01:11:11.880 have wings, and so the levels. 1619 01:11:12.720 --> 01:11:14.279 So so yeah, that's what I mean. So yeah, when 1620 01:11:14.319 --> 01:11:18.960 you when when Elisha not Elijah, but Elisha was okay, 1621 01:11:19.000 --> 01:11:21.239 so he's he's right there, there's there's there's a Syrian 1622 01:11:21.359 --> 01:11:24.319 army that are coming to attack and try to kill 1623 01:11:24.359 --> 01:11:27.840 him because he he gave some uh some information out 1624 01:11:27.880 --> 01:11:31.439 about the king. So that so that the Israel king 1625 01:11:31.520 --> 01:11:34.680 knew before they attacked that they knew something. So it's like, 1626 01:11:34.800 --> 01:11:37.640 I want to attack Elisha. So so basically what happened 1627 01:11:37.800 --> 01:11:40.560 is Elishah his his prophet that's next to him was like, hey, 1628 01:11:40.560 --> 01:11:42.319 there's an army right there, aren't you afraid? And then 1629 01:11:42.359 --> 01:11:44.840 he basically took the bail away so he can see 1630 01:11:44.880 --> 01:11:47.079 the chariots of fire, the angels that are on the 1631 01:11:47.680 --> 01:11:52.119 mountain ready to attack this, uh, this army. So yeah, 1632 01:11:52.119 --> 01:11:55.319 so I think that that's that's that's biblical, that they're, 1633 01:11:55.479 --> 01:11:57.479 like you said, chariots of fire, and that would look 1634 01:11:57.600 --> 01:12:00.000 like something that maybe would look like a UFO or something, 1635 01:12:00.119 --> 01:12:00.319 you know. 1636 01:12:00.399 --> 01:12:02.960 So it's interesting and I don't I don't know. 1637 01:12:03.079 --> 01:12:04.960 I don't many versions of angels? Are there? 1638 01:12:05.479 --> 01:12:05.760 Nine? 1639 01:12:06.760 --> 01:12:09.279 Well, I'm correct me if I'm wrong, I maybe seven. 1640 01:12:09.560 --> 01:12:12.039 It's been a minute since I looked into the angelics 1641 01:12:12.039 --> 01:12:16.760 and things like that, But there's seraphim cherifim Ophium. 1642 01:12:17.600 --> 01:12:22.000 The arcs angels. Dang it, there was a couple more. 1643 01:12:22.680 --> 01:12:23.319 I looked into this. 1644 01:12:23.359 --> 01:12:26.239 I thought there was only like two or three. I 1645 01:12:26.279 --> 01:12:28.039 also haven't studied the Bible in a long time. 1646 01:12:28.319 --> 01:12:31.840 But then, and that's the other thing too, So angels, 1647 01:12:32.840 --> 01:12:35.159 I am of the belief have the ability to shape shift. 1648 01:12:35.479 --> 01:12:36.920 I'm not saying that they all do. 1649 01:12:37.119 --> 01:12:40.319 I'm saying that if God gave them a mission and 1650 01:12:40.359 --> 01:12:43.319 for that mission, they because they're they're the they're the servants. 1651 01:12:43.359 --> 01:12:46.520 They do the things for God on earth, right, and 1652 01:12:46.800 --> 01:12:49.000 I think that if one of them had to appear 1653 01:12:49.000 --> 01:12:50.920 in a certain manner, he'd be able to do so. 1654 01:12:51.479 --> 01:12:55.000 But there are others that, like the spinning circles with 1655 01:12:55.039 --> 01:12:57.119 the eyes and stuff. Those are basically the guards to 1656 01:12:57.199 --> 01:12:59.640 the throne of Jesus or of God, I should say, 1657 01:13:00.119 --> 01:13:03.039 And so they kind of only operate in that realm. 1658 01:13:03.079 --> 01:13:05.399 And there's examples where they have come down to earth 1659 01:13:05.399 --> 01:13:08.439 and they freaked people out, obviously, because if you saw 1660 01:13:08.479 --> 01:13:11.680 that then a bit terrifying. There's the one with four heads. 1661 01:13:12.199 --> 01:13:14.399 Then there's the ones that kind of look more human 1662 01:13:14.560 --> 01:13:17.159 like with wings. Those are talked about. When we look 1663 01:13:17.239 --> 01:13:19.399 at the story of Sodom and Gomora, right Lot and 1664 01:13:19.439 --> 01:13:22.119 his daughters, they were visited by two angels that looked 1665 01:13:22.199 --> 01:13:25.399 like men, like normal dudes, and they don't mention it 1666 01:13:25.439 --> 01:13:28.039 they had wings or not, but it was. 1667 01:13:28.000 --> 01:13:30.960 So they were they were just like men. And actually 1668 01:13:31.319 --> 01:13:33.720 in that story in the beginning it says that there's 1669 01:13:33.760 --> 01:13:36.920 three men that approached Abraham. It said, the Lord appeared 1670 01:13:36.920 --> 01:13:40.119 to Abraham and then they looked like three men. And 1671 01:13:40.560 --> 01:13:42.840 so the Lord, even God, looked like a man at 1672 01:13:42.840 --> 01:13:46.000 that time when he approached Abraham, and Abraham was basically 1673 01:13:46.000 --> 01:13:47.880 having a one on one with the Lord. Right, which 1674 01:13:47.880 --> 01:13:51.640 is which is God? I believe it's well that portion 1675 01:13:51.800 --> 01:13:53.600 is not going to be important for this. But the 1676 01:13:53.680 --> 01:13:56.840 two men ended up becoming two angels. So they did 1677 01:13:56.880 --> 01:13:58.960 approach Lot, and Lot kind of saw them and he 1678 01:13:59.039 --> 01:14:02.960 bowed down to them. He saw some kind of angelic look, 1679 01:14:03.119 --> 01:14:05.000 but at the same time they were angels. And the 1680 01:14:05.119 --> 01:14:08.800 interesting part about this is they come inside and they actually, well, 1681 01:14:08.800 --> 01:14:12.279 a Lot invites them in showing his hospitality is which 1682 01:14:12.319 --> 01:14:14.560 which the Lord said that they wanted to make sure 1683 01:14:14.560 --> 01:14:16.640 that Lot was righteous before he saved him out of 1684 01:14:16.680 --> 01:14:19.159 sadow Megamore. So he did his thing, brought him into 1685 01:14:20.119 --> 01:14:23.359 his house, and he actually fed them, so they ate, 1686 01:14:23.600 --> 01:14:26.600 and then also Abraham premared prepared a meal for the Lord, 1687 01:14:26.880 --> 01:14:29.079 and he ate with the Lord as they were eating 1688 01:14:29.119 --> 01:14:31.840 with a Lot. So I think that that's really interesting 1689 01:14:31.840 --> 01:14:34.479 that the angels end up they're able to eat, So 1690 01:14:34.880 --> 01:14:37.520 are they shape shifters. Well. Even in Hebrews, which is 1691 01:14:37.520 --> 01:14:41.239 a New Testament verse, it says, let brotherly love continue, 1692 01:14:41.279 --> 01:14:44.119 do not forget to entertain strangers. For by so doing, 1693 01:14:44.439 --> 01:14:49.199 some unwittingly entertained angels, meaning that that that angels do 1694 01:14:49.319 --> 01:14:54.399 come in human form, and sometimes you are unwittingly entertaining them. 1695 01:14:54.680 --> 01:14:56.640 So let's say there's somebody on the street that maybe 1696 01:14:56.640 --> 01:14:59.600 it needs a jacket, maybe his cold. Maybe they asked, hey, 1697 01:14:59.640 --> 01:15:01.359 can I have a few dollars, and you just brush 1698 01:15:01.399 --> 01:15:03.680 them off and say beat it, but I'm not trying 1699 01:15:03.680 --> 01:15:06.439 to help you today, whatever I think. Sometimes maybe you 1700 01:15:06.560 --> 01:15:11.359 are approached by angels and you're unaware, you know, but 1701 01:15:11.560 --> 01:15:14.920 so always treat people would love because you never know 1702 01:15:15.000 --> 01:15:17.960 you're entertaining an angel and aware, right, so they are 1703 01:15:18.000 --> 01:15:21.359 definitely able to become in human form. And that's why 1704 01:15:22.399 --> 01:15:25.119 that's why I believe there's a difference between a fallen 1705 01:15:25.199 --> 01:15:29.359 angel and a demon, where some people would say that 1706 01:15:29.359 --> 01:15:32.359 that demons and fallen angels are the same. But demons 1707 01:15:32.439 --> 01:15:35.880 they need a body to inhabit. Angels they come in 1708 01:15:36.000 --> 01:15:38.600 human form, they have a body. God gives them a body. 1709 01:15:38.800 --> 01:15:40.800 And I think what happened with Genesis six. I don't 1710 01:15:40.800 --> 01:15:44.199 mean to interrupt you. Jacob's ranth in Genesis six. What 1711 01:15:44.239 --> 01:15:47.920 happened is angels have a heavenly body, and they should 1712 01:15:48.159 --> 01:15:51.199 their heavenly body, it's called the okatarian in the Greek, 1713 01:15:51.560 --> 01:15:54.319 to have a human body and be able to mate 1714 01:15:54.479 --> 01:15:58.199 with these these female women that they thought were so beautiful, 1715 01:15:58.560 --> 01:16:01.000 and that's how they had the nephil Leman Genesis six. 1716 01:16:01.039 --> 01:16:02.800 And even I know that this is probably God. She 1717 01:16:02.920 --> 01:16:04.359 might be like, what are you talking about? 1718 01:16:04.359 --> 01:16:07.119 But oh no, no, I've heard a good bit about 1719 01:16:07.119 --> 01:16:10.319 this before. No, you're good, I've listened to this before. 1720 01:16:10.359 --> 01:16:12.680 So I was just and that was the point I 1721 01:16:12.720 --> 01:16:16.000 was trying to make. You said, you're interrupting. No, no, 1722 01:16:16.079 --> 01:16:18.199 I was going to say. So many people have asked, well. 1723 01:16:18.359 --> 01:16:21.399 How would angels why do they have sexual organs if 1724 01:16:21.439 --> 01:16:22.760 they didn't have sex in heaven? 1725 01:16:22.800 --> 01:16:23.800 What is this about? 1726 01:16:24.119 --> 01:16:26.239 And it's like, yeah, well, why do they have stomachs 1727 01:16:26.319 --> 01:16:29.920 If they're going to sit and eat with lots? It 1728 01:16:29.960 --> 01:16:32.800 doesn't matter to the purpose and to the to the 1729 01:16:32.880 --> 01:16:35.640 mission set. They are able to shift and do what 1730 01:16:35.680 --> 01:16:38.000 they need to do to get the job done. So yeah, 1731 01:16:38.000 --> 01:16:38.520 I agree with that. 1732 01:16:38.960 --> 01:16:40.920 It made more sense to me that they could be 1733 01:16:40.960 --> 01:16:43.479 able to look like us, considering our brains are so 1734 01:16:43.520 --> 01:16:47.239 feeble compared to everything else, and we are so fearsome, 1735 01:16:47.600 --> 01:16:51.439 like we fear so many things that we wouldn't understand. 1736 01:16:51.920 --> 01:16:54.920 If something else that didn't look like us was coming 1737 01:16:54.960 --> 01:16:57.680 at us, we would not approach it or not greet 1738 01:16:57.720 --> 01:16:58.600 it with open arms. 1739 01:16:58.600 --> 01:16:59.880 We would be so terrified. 1740 01:17:00.119 --> 01:17:03.800 So obviously we're like tiny little babies, and I kind 1741 01:17:03.840 --> 01:17:05.840 of feel bad for them, honestly, if they're having to 1742 01:17:05.840 --> 01:17:07.720 take care of us this whole time, bro, I'd be 1743 01:17:07.760 --> 01:17:09.359 so pissed. I'd be like, why do I have to 1744 01:17:09.359 --> 01:17:11.439 take care of these little infant idiots down here all 1745 01:17:11.439 --> 01:17:11.800 the time. 1746 01:17:12.000 --> 01:17:12.720 That's the worst part. 1747 01:17:12.720 --> 01:17:15.439 Because God loves us more than his angels, I would 1748 01:17:15.439 --> 01:17:17.560 feel sometimes falling out. 1749 01:17:17.720 --> 01:17:20.920 I'm not going to say that I don't blame them, 1750 01:17:21.319 --> 01:17:25.560 because I would feel some type of way if, like 1751 01:17:25.880 --> 01:17:29.760 my father, my creator, love these idiot ass people more 1752 01:17:29.800 --> 01:17:31.920 than he loved us, Like, I would feel some type 1753 01:17:31.920 --> 01:17:33.199 of way why, Because. 1754 01:17:32.960 --> 01:17:34.600 They're so like they're divine. 1755 01:17:35.159 --> 01:17:37.760 They're like they serve their divine purpose and humans are 1756 01:17:37.840 --> 01:17:42.079 trying to serve hours. But that's like the supply guys 1757 01:17:42.119 --> 01:17:44.319 hating the logistics guys. It's like, yo, y'all are both 1758 01:17:44.359 --> 01:17:45.399 doing y'all's jobs. 1759 01:17:45.520 --> 01:17:48.199 Yeah, but that you're talking about like an infant versus 1760 01:17:48.199 --> 01:17:50.720 somebody that is extremely smart and has done so many 1761 01:17:50.760 --> 01:17:52.439 things for a millennia. 1762 01:17:52.960 --> 01:17:54.039 Pers these little. 1763 01:17:53.760 --> 01:17:55.720 Creatures that you're like, why do I have to hold 1764 01:17:55.760 --> 01:17:56.760 their hand and take care of them? 1765 01:17:56.960 --> 01:17:59.720 They don't have souls, They don't have a timeline. They die, 1766 01:18:00.039 --> 01:18:01.800 he die at a certain point. They don't like, at 1767 01:18:01.880 --> 01:18:03.359 least our fleshly bodies die are soul. 1768 01:18:03.600 --> 01:18:05.159 But my point is, does it say in the Bible 1769 01:18:05.159 --> 01:18:06.000 they don't have souls? 1770 01:18:06.239 --> 01:18:08.399 But not necessarily. My point is though it's like, uh, 1771 01:18:08.800 --> 01:18:09.520 you've seen Troy. 1772 01:18:10.000 --> 01:18:10.800 I've seen Troy yet? 1773 01:18:10.920 --> 01:18:11.000 Right? 1774 01:18:11.039 --> 01:18:13.680 Okay, So you remember when Achilles is explaining his self 1775 01:18:13.920 --> 01:18:17.439 to oh, what's the name of the cousin? And she 1776 01:18:17.520 --> 01:18:19.279 thought he was a dumb brute And he's like, do 1777 01:18:19.279 --> 01:18:21.079 you know why the gods are so jealous of us? 1778 01:18:21.159 --> 01:18:23.600 Is because every day is more beautiful because we have 1779 01:18:23.680 --> 01:18:24.560 a time stamp. 1780 01:18:25.119 --> 01:18:27.039 Every day is worth so much more to us. 1781 01:18:27.039 --> 01:18:30.640 To God's time means nothing today is literally the same 1782 01:18:30.640 --> 01:18:31.960 as it was a million years ago. 1783 01:18:32.079 --> 01:18:33.840 What if the angels have souls though. 1784 01:18:33.720 --> 01:18:36.359 But they are timeless, is my point. They don't have 1785 01:18:36.760 --> 01:18:39.199 they don't get the gift of life that we get. 1786 01:18:39.680 --> 01:18:42.159 So for them, they're doing their job, but they're also 1787 01:18:42.239 --> 01:18:44.159 timeless beings that are always going to do your job. 1788 01:18:44.239 --> 01:18:46.359 In two million years, that angel will still be performing 1789 01:18:46.399 --> 01:18:47.640 whatever his function is. 1790 01:18:48.079 --> 01:18:50.319 For us feel some type of way. I mean, unless 1791 01:18:50.319 --> 01:18:52.159 they don't have feelings in the sense of like having 1792 01:18:52.199 --> 01:18:53.840 any type of corrupted feelings like. 1793 01:18:53.800 --> 01:18:55.720 We do, well a third of them did at one point. 1794 01:18:55.760 --> 01:18:57.840 They have free I think they have free will. Yeah, 1795 01:18:57.880 --> 01:19:00.760 I think they do have free will. And the interesting 1796 01:19:00.800 --> 01:19:04.199 part is they would probably like to be in our position, 1797 01:19:04.279 --> 01:19:06.800 and we are trying to fight to get to their position. 1798 01:19:06.920 --> 01:19:09.239 And that's what the interesting part is about Genesis six 1799 01:19:09.399 --> 01:19:12.520 is they had the heavenly body that we are trying 1800 01:19:12.560 --> 01:19:14.960 to achieve, and they're with God and they're able to 1801 01:19:15.000 --> 01:19:17.319 do that, and then they shed that body to come 1802 01:19:17.399 --> 01:19:19.880 down and be able to be in our role and 1803 01:19:19.960 --> 01:19:22.159 to be able to have sex with human women. So 1804 01:19:22.319 --> 01:19:24.279 that's what's crazy. We get to be with our wives 1805 01:19:24.279 --> 01:19:27.119 every day and look into my wife's eyes, tell her 1806 01:19:27.159 --> 01:19:29.920 I love her, and demons, I think they would love 1807 01:19:30.000 --> 01:19:32.840 to be in your body feeling that feeling, and we 1808 01:19:32.880 --> 01:19:34.439 get to feel it every day, and you still have 1809 01:19:34.479 --> 01:19:37.720 people committing suicide not understanding what we have and how 1810 01:19:37.720 --> 01:19:40.720 we should appreciate what we have, you know, And there's 1811 01:19:41.479 --> 01:19:45.039 it's just like a a role reversal that happened, I think, 1812 01:19:45.560 --> 01:19:48.319 and I think we should appreciate having what we do have, 1813 01:19:48.399 --> 01:19:49.920 you know. And it does say that we are going 1814 01:19:50.000 --> 01:19:53.000 to judge angels, and Paul says that we are actually 1815 01:19:53.000 --> 01:19:54.840 going to be in a position to judge angels. But 1816 01:19:55.359 --> 01:19:57.960 I think there's more too in the Biblical story than 1817 01:19:57.960 --> 01:19:59.239 what we're told, you know. I think a lot of 1818 01:19:59.239 --> 01:20:01.960 people just believe that there's demons and there's the devil, 1819 01:20:02.239 --> 01:20:04.239 and that they just tempt you and they just come 1820 01:20:04.239 --> 01:20:06.079 into your ear and say, hey, you need to do this, pal, 1821 01:20:06.159 --> 01:20:07.680 and you're like, oh, I don't want to do this 1822 01:20:07.720 --> 01:20:09.439 because I have a good angel on this show. They're like, 1823 01:20:09.720 --> 01:20:11.840 it's really there's more to the story because even in 1824 01:20:11.880 --> 01:20:14.840 Genesis are in APE'SI in six when I just read that, 1825 01:20:15.159 --> 01:20:18.479 it talks about principalities of power. It just doesn't say 1826 01:20:18.520 --> 01:20:21.840 like demons and the devil only it talks about principalities 1827 01:20:21.880 --> 01:20:25.159 of power. So there's more to the story, you know, 1828 01:20:25.319 --> 01:20:29.279 Like I think there's principalities over governments, you know, just 1829 01:20:29.359 --> 01:20:31.479 like the government United States. Like if you go to 1830 01:20:31.720 --> 01:20:34.439 the you know, Washington, d C. You don't see like, 1831 01:20:35.079 --> 01:20:38.039 you know, mural of Jesus and God and and Yahweh 1832 01:20:38.039 --> 01:20:41.840 and the Bible. You're seeing Fallus and you're seeing like 1833 01:20:42.359 --> 01:20:46.079 all Roman architecture. You're seeing George Washington, you know, like 1834 01:20:46.119 --> 01:20:49.119 sitting there on a throne with twenty two stars around him. 1835 01:20:49.720 --> 01:20:52.840 And the fallus is something that is in itself, you know, 1836 01:20:52.880 --> 01:20:53.560 I think it's. 1837 01:20:54.399 --> 01:20:57.119 We just went to DC a couple couple of months ago, actually, 1838 01:20:57.159 --> 01:20:59.479 we went to Philly, and I was explaining to her 1839 01:20:59.520 --> 01:21:02.840 what an all is as far as for Masonic Lord, 1840 01:21:02.840 --> 01:21:05.119 it's literally a dick. It's it's a statue of a dick, 1841 01:21:05.439 --> 01:21:08.039 and it's that that's how it goes, and it's I 1842 01:21:08.079 --> 01:21:09.880 don't think that's what the Egyptians. 1843 01:21:09.359 --> 01:21:11.720 Were basing it off of, but it's it's definitely what 1844 01:21:11.800 --> 01:21:12.199 it became. 1845 01:21:12.800 --> 01:21:17.399 Well, you know, his uh Osiris supposedly his uh member 1846 01:21:17.560 --> 01:21:21.640 got cut into pieces and then she put it is 1847 01:21:21.680 --> 01:21:24.600 it Osiris, and then Isis put it back together, and 1848 01:21:24.640 --> 01:21:27.920 then she got pregnant and then had Horus. Okay, so 1849 01:21:28.039 --> 01:21:31.399 there's something to that obelisk. It is that it's a fallus. 1850 01:21:31.399 --> 01:21:35.039 That's what it is. And there's there's also a fallus 1851 01:21:35.079 --> 01:21:38.720 in the center of Rome. You have that giant fallus there. 1852 01:21:38.800 --> 01:21:40.800 Then you have the city of London. Then you have 1853 01:21:40.840 --> 01:21:42.479 the city of New York. Then you have the one 1854 01:21:42.520 --> 01:21:45.000 that's in Washington. And so the places that you have 1855 01:21:45.079 --> 01:21:48.239 these fallacies and in Egypt as well, are like, uh, 1856 01:21:48.920 --> 01:21:52.680 centers of power for the elite, if you if that 1857 01:21:52.720 --> 01:21:54.760 makes sense. You know, the city of London or like 1858 01:21:54.840 --> 01:21:58.760 the bankers, you know, the the the Roman Catholic the 1859 01:21:59.079 --> 01:22:00.920 Vatican is like is you can tell, that's like kind 1860 01:22:00.960 --> 01:22:03.319 of the center for religion. And then you have like 1861 01:22:03.600 --> 01:22:06.399 United States in Washington, d c. Which we are like 1862 01:22:06.439 --> 01:22:09.520 the military portion of power. And I think you guys 1863 01:22:09.520 --> 01:22:13.079 have probably gone through this in Conspiracy episodes, but you 1864 01:22:13.159 --> 01:22:15.640 see that fallus represented, you know, and I think it's 1865 01:22:16.000 --> 01:22:17.880 also the dimensions of it. I don't know if you've 1866 01:22:17.920 --> 01:22:20.399 heard of this, Jacob, but I think it's five hundred 1867 01:22:20.439 --> 01:22:22.880 and fifty five feet tall and it's one hundred and 1868 01:22:22.880 --> 01:22:25.880 ten feet in the ground. Okay, so that's six hundred 1869 01:22:25.920 --> 01:22:28.960 and sixty six feet tall, and if you go in inches, 1870 01:22:29.000 --> 01:22:31.399 I think it's six six hundred and sixty six inches 1871 01:22:31.439 --> 01:22:34.520 tall and then sixty six point six inches wide if 1872 01:22:34.560 --> 01:22:36.880 I'm not mistaken something like that. So there's a lot 1873 01:22:36.880 --> 01:22:39.239 of sixes to it as well. But I think there's 1874 01:22:39.239 --> 01:22:43.439 principalities over governments, like when God did the he separated 1875 01:22:43.520 --> 01:22:46.279 the nations and he put seventy entities, I think over 1876 01:22:46.319 --> 01:22:48.560 these governments, and I think that that's why the book 1877 01:22:48.600 --> 01:22:51.119 and Danie'll see the Prince of Persia, he's not a 1878 01:22:51.159 --> 01:22:54.159 good angel over these government. He's actually a bad entity 1879 01:22:54.199 --> 01:22:56.359 over the government, if that makes sense. So that's what 1880 01:22:56.479 --> 01:22:58.600 I believe, man, And you see it through the government. 1881 01:22:58.640 --> 01:23:02.560 You're not seeing there's people that are Christian obviously in government, right, 1882 01:23:02.840 --> 01:23:04.760 But if you go back to our episode where I 1883 01:23:04.800 --> 01:23:08.439 was talking about secret societies in college and in high school, 1884 01:23:08.760 --> 01:23:11.960 you see that like eighty percent of the people coming 1885 01:23:12.000 --> 01:23:14.720 from Ivy League schools or the secret societies end up 1886 01:23:14.720 --> 01:23:18.159 being in government. And there's probably twenty percent, maybe ten 1887 01:23:18.199 --> 01:23:21.000 percent that are good. But that doesn't matter because if 1888 01:23:21.039 --> 01:23:22.680 you have ninety percent of the people that are going 1889 01:23:22.760 --> 01:23:25.359 to be voting in our democracy that are all for 1890 01:23:25.760 --> 01:23:28.359 evil or or have already sold their soul, if that 1891 01:23:28.399 --> 01:23:30.479 makes sense, Yeah, then it doesn't matter about the ten 1892 01:23:30.479 --> 01:23:32.800 percent that are good. And those people are there basically 1893 01:23:32.880 --> 01:23:35.079 to hook us like hey guys, I'm gonna fight for you, 1894 01:23:35.079 --> 01:23:37.359 and we're like, oh, there's still hope, but really there's not, 1895 01:23:37.439 --> 01:23:40.319 because ninety percent of the people are already sold out to evil. 1896 01:23:40.319 --> 01:23:41.039 If that makes sense. 1897 01:23:41.279 --> 01:23:45.439 Yeah, I think Trump pretty much. So many people had 1898 01:23:45.479 --> 01:23:47.640 such high hopes for him when he got re elected. 1899 01:23:48.039 --> 01:23:50.840 I myself was one of them. And you know, for 1900 01:23:50.920 --> 01:23:54.159 a few months there, it looked like, yeah, Dad's back 1901 01:23:54.199 --> 01:23:57.079 in the house. It's gonna be cool. And then boyle boy, 1902 01:23:57.159 --> 01:23:59.399 did things just take a massive downtick And they have 1903 01:23:59.439 --> 01:24:00.399 not checked out yet. 1904 01:24:00.600 --> 01:24:02.600 I mean, I've said it a million times and I 1905 01:24:02.600 --> 01:24:04.680 will always stand by this, that you don't get to 1906 01:24:04.760 --> 01:24:08.479 a certain level of wealth or in the certain groups 1907 01:24:08.479 --> 01:24:10.840 that you are without doing some heinous shit. Yeah, and 1908 01:24:10.840 --> 01:24:13.920 that goes like across the board for every single person 1909 01:24:13.960 --> 01:24:16.840 that is like the elite and above. I don't I 1910 01:24:16.920 --> 01:24:20.079 particularly don't believe that there is any way. And even 1911 01:24:20.119 --> 01:24:22.039 though I love a lot of the people and I 1912 01:24:22.079 --> 01:24:24.720 follow people that have a lot of wealth that do 1913 01:24:24.960 --> 01:24:27.640 quote unquote a lot of good. I do believe that 1914 01:24:27.720 --> 01:24:31.359 they don't achieve this goal or this you know, a 1915 01:24:31.439 --> 01:24:33.119 status unless they do something. 1916 01:24:33.560 --> 01:24:37.279 So I mean, I've met billionaires that you wouldn't know 1917 01:24:37.319 --> 01:24:39.560 their name if I told you. But that's because they 1918 01:24:39.600 --> 01:24:41.560 started a business from the ground up. It was intech. 1919 01:24:41.640 --> 01:24:43.399 They got to a level, they sold it off. But 1920 01:24:43.439 --> 01:24:45.960 they're not, to your point, in a position of influence 1921 01:24:46.159 --> 01:24:48.520 or power. Yeah they have wealth that yeah. 1922 01:24:48.399 --> 01:24:49.199 Wealth is different. 1923 01:24:49.199 --> 01:24:52.439 I'm talking about like when you're an influential role where 1924 01:24:52.479 --> 01:24:57.199 you're somehow influencing either the market, you're influencing people. You're 1925 01:24:57.199 --> 01:25:02.199 in the background influencing say vaccine, like the Prince of vaccines, 1926 01:25:02.479 --> 01:25:05.720 Like nobody really knows him and noone's out going and 1927 01:25:05.800 --> 01:25:08.720 talking about him. But if you actually look up their 1928 01:25:08.760 --> 01:25:11.479 family and how they've been controlling vaccines and what they 1929 01:25:11.520 --> 01:25:14.000 have their hands in, and who they're associated with and 1930 01:25:14.039 --> 01:25:16.479 where they get their wealth from. These are people that 1931 01:25:16.520 --> 01:25:18.840 I'm talking about. They're not just out here just doing 1932 01:25:18.840 --> 01:25:21.119 the good old good. I'm not talking about because I 1933 01:25:21.199 --> 01:25:23.039 used to win way back in the day when I 1934 01:25:23.079 --> 01:25:27.760 was younger. I actually cleaned homes for millionaires. There's a 1935 01:25:27.840 --> 01:25:30.000 hill in Oregon where like all the big rich live 1936 01:25:30.600 --> 01:25:32.439 and I got introduced. 1937 01:25:32.479 --> 01:25:33.920 Actually a basketball. 1938 01:25:33.399 --> 01:25:38.840 Player with the Blazers was started up a maid service 1939 01:25:38.880 --> 01:25:40.079 and I ended up getting in contact. 1940 01:25:40.119 --> 01:25:41.760 It was a long story how that happened. 1941 01:25:41.600 --> 01:25:45.399 But I started cleaning homes for the millionaires up there. 1942 01:25:45.680 --> 01:25:49.479 Really interesting to be around that level of wealth when 1943 01:25:50.039 --> 01:25:52.680 I mean I didn't come from like abject poverty, but 1944 01:25:52.800 --> 01:25:55.800 to see the vast difference in the mindset when it 1945 01:25:55.840 --> 01:26:00.960 comes to money and just it was it was very different. 1946 01:26:02.640 --> 01:26:05.119 But I was I attended one of the parties that 1947 01:26:05.800 --> 01:26:08.279 the I mainly cleaned for this one man, but he 1948 01:26:08.319 --> 01:26:11.079 was insanely rich and he would travel all around the 1949 01:26:11.119 --> 01:26:13.880 world and stuff, and I came and I pretty much 1950 01:26:13.880 --> 01:26:15.720 was helping like keep the house clean as the party 1951 01:26:15.760 --> 01:26:17.800 was going on, and I was just kind of listening 1952 01:26:17.800 --> 01:26:19.920 to the stories of people that the way that they 1953 01:26:19.920 --> 01:26:22.239 would talk to each other in about money and about 1954 01:26:22.439 --> 01:26:26.199 what's happening globally and how they're the connections they had 1955 01:26:26.239 --> 01:26:29.960 with people. It was just it was a totally different 1956 01:26:30.039 --> 01:26:33.640 world than what we understand as just normal quote unquote 1957 01:26:33.720 --> 01:26:34.359 normal people. 1958 01:26:34.560 --> 01:26:36.239 It's a different caliber altogether. 1959 01:26:36.399 --> 01:26:38.359 I mean, the they it didn't. 1960 01:26:38.560 --> 01:26:42.359 He didn't blink an eye at spending five hundred k 1961 01:26:42.680 --> 01:26:45.960 on this god awful painting. And then I made the mistaken. 1962 01:26:47.359 --> 01:26:49.760 But they were talking about having this charity, and they 1963 01:26:49.760 --> 01:26:51.720 were going to go to Washington, and they were gonna 1964 01:26:52.199 --> 01:26:54.079 his friends and him were talking about how they were 1965 01:26:54.079 --> 01:26:57.800 going to push their money towards a political party or 1966 01:26:57.840 --> 01:27:00.600 a political person, and how they were going to get kickbacks, 1967 01:27:00.600 --> 01:27:02.159 and they were going to be invited to this thing 1968 01:27:02.199 --> 01:27:03.760 over seas and they were going to go do all 1969 01:27:03.760 --> 01:27:04.960 and they were talking. 1970 01:27:04.720 --> 01:27:08.199 About all of this stuff. And I just remember listening 1971 01:27:08.279 --> 01:27:08.560 to it. 1972 01:27:08.600 --> 01:27:12.319 And back then you're talking, I was seventeen eighteen, and 1973 01:27:12.439 --> 01:27:16.239 so I didn't really care about the politics of things. 1974 01:27:16.279 --> 01:27:18.560 I didn't really care about what I was hearing. But 1975 01:27:18.800 --> 01:27:23.000 looking back, it was fascinating how even on their scale, 1976 01:27:23.000 --> 01:27:24.680 because you got to understand, they're still low on the 1977 01:27:24.680 --> 01:27:28.039 pecking order. You're talking millionaires, not billionaires, so they're low 1978 01:27:28.079 --> 01:27:31.399 in the pecking order. And yeah, and so, but his 1979 01:27:31.560 --> 01:27:35.279 company was one of the big tech companies, and so 1980 01:27:35.479 --> 01:27:38.800 he would fly all over the seat, all over the seas, 1981 01:27:38.840 --> 01:27:41.680 all over the world and sell this tech to people. 1982 01:27:42.279 --> 01:27:45.119 And he would talk about stuff he would be on 1983 01:27:45.159 --> 01:27:47.720 the phone and he had like five cell phones, and 1984 01:27:47.840 --> 01:27:50.000 he would come back and I'd, you know, I'd be 1985 01:27:50.039 --> 01:27:51.840 there when he was gone. I'd be there cleaning when 1986 01:27:51.840 --> 01:27:53.720 he came back. Like I Sometimes he would show up 1987 01:27:53.720 --> 01:27:55.359 and I'd be cleaning and stuff, and he would come 1988 01:27:55.399 --> 01:27:57.199 in and have like different cell phones and he would 1989 01:27:57.239 --> 01:28:00.640 be talking about in like four different languages about all stuff. 1990 01:28:00.760 --> 01:28:02.039 He's actually Arabic. 1991 01:28:02.199 --> 01:28:04.800 And this all and now makes sense. I'm gonna be 1992 01:28:04.800 --> 01:28:05.319 honest with him. 1993 01:28:05.399 --> 01:28:07.079 It was. It was really interesting. 1994 01:28:07.279 --> 01:28:09.960 I had had conversations with him, and obviously I was young, 1995 01:28:10.000 --> 01:28:12.359 and he just was like, you don't understand the world, 1996 01:28:12.399 --> 01:28:14.920 because he was like in his early forties, and he's like, 1997 01:28:14.920 --> 01:28:17.760 you don't understand how money works and how money corrupts 1998 01:28:17.760 --> 01:28:20.520 people and what the world is really like. And I 1999 01:28:20.560 --> 01:28:23.359 didn't really I didn't really like pay much mind to it. 2000 01:28:24.079 --> 01:28:26.039 That painting that I was talking to you about. So 2001 01:28:26.079 --> 01:28:29.000 he bought this ugly painting, right he put it up 2002 01:28:29.039 --> 01:28:30.800 in his house and I didn't realize he was coming 2003 01:28:30.840 --> 01:28:33.680 home and I had actually just gotten a cell phone, 2004 01:28:33.720 --> 01:28:35.640 like you know, flip phone, and so I was talking 2005 01:28:35.640 --> 01:28:37.479 shit to my girlfriend. I was like, you wouldn't believe 2006 01:28:37.520 --> 01:28:40.319 how ugly this painting is, and this is worth like 2007 01:28:40.760 --> 01:28:44.479 everyone I know's paycheck for like years. And I was 2008 01:28:44.479 --> 01:28:47.279 talking mad shit about this and he was there and 2009 01:28:47.319 --> 01:28:50.720 he heard me talking all this shit about this painting. No, 2010 01:28:50.960 --> 01:28:53.800 he was like he walked up behind me, got scared 2011 01:28:53.840 --> 01:28:56.000 the absolute shit out of me, and he was like, 2012 01:28:56.039 --> 01:28:57.439 you really think this painting's ugly? 2013 01:28:57.479 --> 01:29:01.640 And I was like, yes, yeah, I do, like really do. 2014 01:29:01.800 --> 01:29:03.319 I was like, you could literally go down to the 2015 01:29:03.399 --> 01:29:06.000 art museum, down a couple of blocks and go buy 2016 01:29:06.000 --> 01:29:09.079 yourself an actual piece of like Renaissance painting, like you 2017 01:29:09.119 --> 01:29:10.159 have the money to do this. 2018 01:29:10.880 --> 01:29:12.159 Next day he sold the painting. 2019 01:29:12.600 --> 01:29:13.560 Wow, m hmm. 2020 01:29:13.680 --> 01:29:15.279 It was nothing to him, it was nothing. 2021 01:29:15.319 --> 01:29:16.199 It was cheap money. 2022 01:29:16.239 --> 01:29:18.600 He was just like five hundred and k whatever and 2023 01:29:18.800 --> 01:29:20.279 he went and bought He actually did. 2024 01:29:20.279 --> 01:29:22.439 End up buying some really beautiful artwork. 2025 01:29:23.039 --> 01:29:25.960 But that's also how the wealthy elite hide their money, 2026 01:29:26.000 --> 01:29:28.680 because when you buy art, that's a tax right off, 2027 01:29:28.960 --> 01:29:30.760 and then when you sell it that's a whole other 2028 01:29:30.840 --> 01:29:31.239 ride off. 2029 01:29:31.279 --> 01:29:33.239 You had those really expensive. 2030 01:29:32.800 --> 01:29:34.600 Eggs, oh, the Faberge eggs. 2031 01:29:34.600 --> 01:29:37.000 So but he had like these ones that were one 2032 01:29:37.039 --> 01:29:39.119 of them alone was in this It was in a 2033 01:29:39.159 --> 01:29:42.199 three case thing and it had like a special lock 2034 01:29:42.239 --> 01:29:44.680 on the top, and it was it was worth like 2035 01:29:44.720 --> 01:29:48.760 one point four million dollars. Yeah, honestly, I've never The 2036 01:29:48.760 --> 01:29:51.359 other stuff he had in his house was way cooler 2037 01:29:51.399 --> 01:29:52.319 than this stupid egg. 2038 01:29:52.399 --> 01:29:54.720 But this stupid egg was worth so much money. I 2039 01:29:54.800 --> 01:29:55.239 actually had. 2040 01:29:55.279 --> 01:29:56.920 It was a four story house, and I had to 2041 01:29:56.920 --> 01:29:59.760 clean every floor on my hands and knees with water. 2042 01:29:59.800 --> 01:30:02.840 And because he had bamboo flooring and he refused to 2043 01:30:02.880 --> 01:30:05.239 let me use anything else, it took me twelve hours 2044 01:30:05.279 --> 01:30:06.439 to clean that entire house. 2045 01:30:06.680 --> 01:30:09.239 Why would you do bamboo when you have money like that? 2046 01:30:09.479 --> 01:30:11.239 He was. He liked the way it looked like you 2047 01:30:11.319 --> 01:30:13.960 never heard of that marble dog like Nope, he liked 2048 01:30:13.960 --> 01:30:14.600 the way it looked. 2049 01:30:14.600 --> 01:30:17.399 And the house was The house was gorgeous, and he 2050 01:30:17.479 --> 01:30:21.960 consistently changed it up because he would entertain different people 2051 01:30:21.960 --> 01:30:24.359 from around the world, which I thought was really interesting too. 2052 01:30:24.640 --> 01:30:27.359 He would change the what he had out and what 2053 01:30:27.439 --> 01:30:31.760 it looked like to fit whoever party, political, whatever it. 2054 01:30:31.800 --> 01:30:33.119 Was that he was entertaining. 2055 01:30:33.319 --> 01:30:34.560 Oh yeah, and it was. 2056 01:30:34.640 --> 01:30:37.560 It was a whole thing. And so that's where actually 2057 01:30:37.600 --> 01:30:39.319 I had, like Don Perry on for the first time. 2058 01:30:39.359 --> 01:30:41.199 He was like, oh, that's cheap shit, Like it's no 2059 01:30:41.239 --> 01:30:43.039 big deal. You can keep He was like, you can 2060 01:30:43.119 --> 01:30:46.359 have some and pop the bottle. And I was like, oh, 2061 01:30:46.399 --> 01:30:49.439 you know, I'm over here, you know, working to be real, 2062 01:30:49.560 --> 01:30:51.680 he I worked for like pennies on the dollar compared 2063 01:30:51.680 --> 01:30:52.640 to what he could have paid me. 2064 01:30:53.119 --> 01:30:55.560 And but he was very nice and he gave. 2065 01:30:55.399 --> 01:30:57.600 Me lots of uh, like I got to try all 2066 01:30:57.640 --> 01:31:00.680 sorts of different food from around the world. Is one 2067 01:31:00.720 --> 01:31:03.159 girlfriend that he dated for a good bit was only 2068 01:31:03.239 --> 01:31:05.760 like six years older than me, probably I could see it, 2069 01:31:05.800 --> 01:31:07.880 and so like she would let me try on all 2070 01:31:07.880 --> 01:31:11.640 her dresses, Like she was very sweet lady, and so 2071 01:31:12.079 --> 01:31:13.760 like we were the same size. So I could try 2072 01:31:13.760 --> 01:31:16.359 on like twenty five thousand dollars dresses that was like 2073 01:31:16.479 --> 01:31:18.560 nothing to them, Oh my god, And I'm over. 2074 01:31:18.359 --> 01:31:21.359 Here like like I don't want to break or damage anything. 2075 01:31:21.399 --> 01:31:25.000 But it showed me a different perspective of how the 2076 01:31:25.039 --> 01:31:28.600 wealthy live versus how the rest of us do, because 2077 01:31:30.000 --> 01:31:31.439 they're in a whole different world. 2078 01:31:32.119 --> 01:31:34.279 The Bible does talk also in the Geneva Bible. I 2079 01:31:34.319 --> 01:31:37.640 was talking about that versus in Ephesians and actually mentions 2080 01:31:37.640 --> 01:31:41.079 that not just principalities or against powers, but against worldly governors, 2081 01:31:41.439 --> 01:31:43.399 and actually says it in the Geneva Bible, so not 2082 01:31:43.520 --> 01:31:47.479 just like talking about principalities, but also worldly governors, you know, 2083 01:31:47.600 --> 01:31:51.039 so basically the government. Right, So it's really interesting stuff. 2084 01:31:51.079 --> 01:31:54.880 So I agree, And like you're talking about the principalities 2085 01:31:55.039 --> 01:31:59.079 and we're talking about actual power, and wealth does equal 2086 01:31:59.159 --> 01:32:01.720 power to a point point, but not always the case. 2087 01:32:01.800 --> 01:32:01.920 Right. 2088 01:32:01.960 --> 01:32:04.039 There are wealthy people out there who are rich beyond 2089 01:32:04.239 --> 01:32:07.159 our imagination, who have no they don't want to get 2090 01:32:07.199 --> 01:32:10.680 involved in no politics. They're trying to make generational wealth 2091 01:32:10.680 --> 01:32:13.079 for their great grandchildren, and like that's their whole goal. 2092 01:32:13.760 --> 01:32:17.479 But to your point, and to your point, Josh, absolute 2093 01:32:17.479 --> 01:32:20.520 power does corrupt absolutely. And when you get a person 2094 01:32:20.640 --> 01:32:23.880 in politics or in some sort of governmental even if 2095 01:32:23.880 --> 01:32:26.800 it's state government, even if it's local government, when you 2096 01:32:26.880 --> 01:32:30.399 start throwing insane amounts of money at them, it been 2097 01:32:30.640 --> 01:32:32.199 you can get them to bend to your will, because 2098 01:32:32.279 --> 01:32:35.279 greed is one of the deadly sins. And especially when 2099 01:32:35.319 --> 01:32:37.439 you get to a certain point, everybody's like, oh no, 2100 01:32:37.479 --> 01:32:39.520 my morals are so strong, I would never It's like 2101 01:32:39.600 --> 01:32:42.920 you have never looked ten billion green dollars in your 2102 01:32:42.960 --> 01:32:45.800 face and then decided to walk away with your morals intact, 2103 01:32:46.319 --> 01:32:47.399 like the reality of it. 2104 01:32:47.720 --> 01:32:50.640 And these politicians li too, you know, oh for sure. 2105 01:32:50.920 --> 01:32:52.600 When they catch you in a situation or they maybe 2106 01:32:52.640 --> 01:32:54.319 the tempt you with some woman or they do this, 2107 01:32:54.439 --> 01:32:57.720 and there's a lot of blackmail. Women are a seventeen 2108 01:32:57.800 --> 01:32:59.439 year old or something like that and they catch you. 2109 01:32:59.479 --> 01:33:03.000 There's blackmail and plus also the greed aspect. So you 2110 01:33:03.039 --> 01:33:06.199 get yourself into a situation. But it's because you're pledging 2111 01:33:06.239 --> 01:33:08.840 an oath to something. And once you pledge that oath, 2112 01:33:08.880 --> 01:33:11.760 which the Bible speaks to not do pledge that oath, 2113 01:33:11.840 --> 01:33:13.840 then you're held to that oath and heal to that standard. 2114 01:33:13.920 --> 01:33:16.199 And you're not just pledging an oath I think physically. 2115 01:33:16.279 --> 01:33:19.439 I think you're pledging an oath spiritually, right, So that's 2116 01:33:19.520 --> 01:33:22.560 that's when you get yourself in deep water. So yeah, 2117 01:33:22.680 --> 01:33:25.880 I think it's interesting. So yeah, good stuff. So that's 2118 01:33:25.880 --> 01:33:28.000 interesting that the story that you told too as well, 2119 01:33:28.000 --> 01:33:29.760 that when you were younger and you got to see 2120 01:33:30.239 --> 01:33:33.920 that type of wealth and how they handle themselves, you know, 2121 01:33:33.920 --> 01:33:34.920 and present themselves. 2122 01:33:35.239 --> 01:33:39.800 It's it's definitely an interesting situation because not everyone was nice. 2123 01:33:39.840 --> 01:33:43.680 Not everyone was kind like it was, you know, and. 2124 01:33:43.600 --> 01:33:47.079 That some of the people treated the staff, I mean 2125 01:33:47.279 --> 01:33:51.199 other and others like we were the scum of the 2126 01:33:51.319 --> 01:33:52.479 earth for sure. 2127 01:33:52.239 --> 01:33:53.640 Like it wasn't all of them. 2128 01:33:53.680 --> 01:33:57.279 And he definitely did correct people when they treated us poorly. 2129 01:33:57.439 --> 01:34:00.520 I will say he was a fantastic person to work for. 2130 01:34:01.159 --> 01:34:05.680 But it was interesting to see how the dynamics worked, 2131 01:34:05.720 --> 01:34:10.199 even with it within their class, because they treated each 2132 01:34:10.199 --> 01:34:13.800 other sometimes poor, sometimes not. 2133 01:34:13.920 --> 01:34:14.439 Like it was. 2134 01:34:15.119 --> 01:34:17.520 You can tell the superficial ones, right. And that's the 2135 01:34:17.560 --> 01:34:20.840 thing in LA. It's like social currency. It's not even 2136 01:34:20.920 --> 01:34:23.000 like how much is in my bank account, but oh, 2137 01:34:23.039 --> 01:34:26.000 I was partying with this person last weekend and two 2138 01:34:26.000 --> 01:34:28.119 weeks ago I went to this person's party. And that's 2139 01:34:28.159 --> 01:34:30.840 like a social currency that these people used as a 2140 01:34:30.880 --> 01:34:33.159 status unto themselves. 2141 01:34:32.840 --> 01:34:36.880 And there is there is really really good millionaires that 2142 01:34:37.359 --> 01:34:39.840 do a lot of good for people. I think I've 2143 01:34:39.840 --> 01:34:42.760 always wondered if there's a threshold though, Like if you 2144 01:34:43.039 --> 01:34:46.159 have this much money, then you get shifted to the 2145 01:34:46.199 --> 01:34:48.439 next level. Do you get approached by somebody, do you 2146 01:34:48.479 --> 01:34:49.479 get oh, they get. 2147 01:34:49.359 --> 01:34:51.000 Taped on the shoulder. It's I don't know if it's 2148 01:34:51.000 --> 01:34:52.920 like five hundred million or what. But a certain point, 2149 01:34:52.960 --> 01:34:56.039 when you have that much like income or that much assets, 2150 01:34:56.680 --> 01:34:59.479 somebody comes knocks on your door and get it feels 2151 01:34:59.520 --> 01:34:59.840 you out. 2152 01:35:00.000 --> 01:35:01.359 There's no way that doesn't happen. 2153 01:35:02.399 --> 01:35:03.319 I don't know, I don't know. 2154 01:35:03.399 --> 01:35:05.119 I mean, then you got all the bunkers that the 2155 01:35:06.039 --> 01:35:07.960 you know, the elites are making all over the world 2156 01:35:08.079 --> 01:35:10.880 and stuff like that, and they're buying into it. I 2157 01:35:10.880 --> 01:35:12.680 don't know if you've ever seen like some of those 2158 01:35:12.680 --> 01:35:15.840 movies where they have like the giant underground places where 2159 01:35:15.920 --> 01:35:17.600 all the elites had to buy in. They had to 2160 01:35:17.640 --> 01:35:20.439 pay like, you know, an obscene amount of money to 2161 01:35:20.479 --> 01:35:21.560 get a ticket for it. 2162 01:35:21.800 --> 01:35:22.239 Mm hmm. 2163 01:35:22.920 --> 01:35:24.800 It says in the Book of Revelation too that the 2164 01:35:24.960 --> 01:35:27.560 that the basically the high the higher ups of the elites, 2165 01:35:27.560 --> 01:35:31.039 they're gonna be placing themselves in mountains and because they're 2166 01:35:31.079 --> 01:35:35.000 hiding from Jesus when he returns, right, so interestings about it, 2167 01:35:35.000 --> 01:35:36.800 you know. So yeah, that's kind of what we're seeing 2168 01:35:36.920 --> 01:35:39.159 is is these elites are going to be trying to 2169 01:35:39.159 --> 01:35:41.880 do that. You know, they're trying to get away from 2170 01:35:43.239 --> 01:35:46.000 the you know, God's wrath, right, but they can't hide 2171 01:35:46.000 --> 01:35:47.079 obviously it's not gonna happen. 2172 01:35:47.279 --> 01:35:49.600 Do you think that it's gonna like revelations is gonna 2173 01:35:49.600 --> 01:35:51.079 happen within the next hundred years? 2174 01:35:51.640 --> 01:35:54.359 Ooh, good question, because man, I'm all over the belief 2175 01:35:54.399 --> 01:35:57.399 we are on borrowed time already. I don't see us 2176 01:35:57.399 --> 01:35:59.119 living to twenty fifty. Hell, I don't even know if 2177 01:35:59.159 --> 01:36:01.560 we'll see twenty third. But I also understand that I 2178 01:36:01.560 --> 01:36:03.960 have a weird opinion on things. So what's you're taking. 2179 01:36:04.960 --> 01:36:10.239 I mean, as you see, like the government is seeming 2180 01:36:10.399 --> 01:36:14.119 like they're trying to either make it happen, like make 2181 01:36:14.159 --> 01:36:16.760 prophecy happen, or a prophecy is just unfolding, or maybe 2182 01:36:16.760 --> 01:36:19.399 that's the way it's gonna supposed to unfold. But you 2183 01:36:19.439 --> 01:36:23.000 see that things that are heating up in certain areas 2184 01:36:23.039 --> 01:36:25.760 like Israel and you know, and so certain things seem 2185 01:36:25.880 --> 01:36:30.119 like they're getting close. But there's a different interpretation of 2186 01:36:30.159 --> 01:36:33.159 that that the government's trying to create that, you know, 2187 01:36:33.399 --> 01:36:35.439 and and they want to bring about the anti Christ 2188 01:36:35.520 --> 01:36:37.439 and they're trying to do that. And if you if 2189 01:36:37.479 --> 01:36:39.800 you kind of talk to someone like Gary Wayne, who's 2190 01:36:39.880 --> 01:36:42.159 like a Christian conspiracy guy. 2191 01:36:42.399 --> 01:36:43.520 Shout out to Gary Wayne. 2192 01:36:43.600 --> 01:36:46.039 Yeah, Yeah, shout out to Gary Wayne, Like his perspective 2193 01:36:46.119 --> 01:36:49.239 is that they're trying to bring that about. And actually 2194 01:36:49.279 --> 01:36:52.760 these families, these royal families are trying to they want 2195 01:36:52.800 --> 01:36:54.760 their son to be that position, they want their son 2196 01:36:54.760 --> 01:36:56.920 to be the anti Christ, you know, and and they're 2197 01:36:56.920 --> 01:37:00.640 trying to you know, they keep trying to formulate everything 2198 01:37:00.680 --> 01:37:02.840 to try to bring that about like they want it 2199 01:37:02.880 --> 01:37:05.840 to happen, you know, and that could be the way 2200 01:37:05.840 --> 01:37:08.600 that it does unfold, or maybe God just has a 2201 01:37:08.600 --> 01:37:11.920 different plan. So I'm the way that I think that 2202 01:37:11.960 --> 01:37:14.319 we should handle this as Christians is I think we 2203 01:37:14.319 --> 01:37:16.760 should continue to read the Bible, continue to read the Word, 2204 01:37:17.000 --> 01:37:20.640 continue to spread the Gospel, and try to live as 2205 01:37:20.680 --> 01:37:22.920 if Jesus is coming back tomorrow. You know. You just 2206 01:37:22.920 --> 01:37:24.760 want to spread the gospel as much as you can 2207 01:37:25.079 --> 01:37:27.399 and make sure that your life is in order, you know, 2208 01:37:27.439 --> 01:37:29.760 the the best as possible, and try to get other 2209 01:37:29.760 --> 01:37:32.000 people's lives in order, like as far as assisting them 2210 01:37:32.039 --> 01:37:35.119 and to you know, following the Gospel, following the Bible. 2211 01:37:35.479 --> 01:37:37.000 And I think that's what we should be doing. And 2212 01:37:37.600 --> 01:37:39.720 I'm not going to be worried about when the revelation 2213 01:37:39.840 --> 01:37:42.359 is happening now, tomorrow or the next day. I just 2214 01:37:42.399 --> 01:37:44.079 want to make sure that I'm prepared, and then I'm 2215 01:37:44.119 --> 01:37:45.840 assisting other peoples to be prepared for it. 2216 01:37:45.880 --> 01:37:47.079 You know, I feel you sense. 2217 01:37:47.159 --> 01:37:49.199 Now, let me ask you, because your opinion has shifted 2218 01:37:49.560 --> 01:37:53.199 slightly over time. Do you believe the Antichrist is currently 2219 01:37:53.199 --> 01:37:55.399 alive and walking the earth but may not know that 2220 01:37:55.439 --> 01:37:57.319 he's the Antichrist just yet? 2221 01:37:58.880 --> 01:38:01.159 Yet? It could be And that's a very good point. 2222 01:38:01.199 --> 01:38:05.119 And a lot of people want to place the Antichrists 2223 01:38:05.199 --> 01:38:09.640 on different characters like Donald Trump or like but it 2224 01:38:09.800 --> 01:38:12.000 just certain things start start looking a certain way and 2225 01:38:12.039 --> 01:38:13.800 then it ends up not being true. You know. Like, 2226 01:38:13.880 --> 01:38:16.520 for example, like Donald Trump could have been in that 2227 01:38:16.560 --> 01:38:20.439 position because his son Jared Kushner was actually he's Jewish, right, 2228 01:38:20.479 --> 01:38:23.199 and he's going over to Israel and trying to build 2229 01:38:23.199 --> 01:38:26.600 a third Temple and he's making blueprints. And there's things 2230 01:38:26.640 --> 01:38:28.920 going on in the background that we just don't know about, 2231 01:38:28.960 --> 01:38:31.239 you know. And there's people that are in power that 2232 01:38:31.359 --> 01:38:35.600 actually are ruling these governments that we don't know. And 2233 01:38:35.640 --> 01:38:38.520 there's invisible families that we don't know about. There's some 2234 01:38:38.600 --> 01:38:41.079 families that are that are like that we do kind 2235 01:38:41.079 --> 01:38:43.199 of get a little catch a little name here and 2236 01:38:43.239 --> 01:38:45.600 there of them ruling. So I think there's just people 2237 01:38:45.640 --> 01:38:48.520 in power that we just don't get to see or know. 2238 01:38:49.159 --> 01:38:51.600 And the people that are like rich supposedly that we 2239 01:38:51.680 --> 01:38:54.960 get to see, they're all just playing a part. Elon Musk, 2240 01:38:55.000 --> 01:38:57.039 you know, he's he's got yeah, he's got billions of dollars. 2241 01:38:57.119 --> 01:38:59.520 But there's people that have trillions of dollars I think 2242 01:38:59.520 --> 01:39:02.439 that are really ruling things, you know. So, but he 2243 01:39:02.479 --> 01:39:04.600 could be alive. There's some people that believe that, like 2244 01:39:04.600 --> 01:39:08.880 like this guy Ryan Pitterson, he he believes that that 2245 01:39:08.880 --> 01:39:12.079 that seed that's spoken about in Genesis three fifteen that's 2246 01:39:12.119 --> 01:39:15.680 talking about that Satan seed is gonna bruise sorry, that 2247 01:39:15.920 --> 01:39:20.239 her her seed meaning Eve's seed, is gonna bruise his 2248 01:39:20.359 --> 01:39:23.159 heel right, his seed. Right. So there's a there's like 2249 01:39:23.199 --> 01:39:24.960 a seed war that's going on, you know. And I 2250 01:39:25.000 --> 01:39:28.720 think that some people believe that that that the devil's 2251 01:39:28.760 --> 01:39:31.800 gonna have a literal child, like the Devil's gonna go 2252 01:39:31.920 --> 01:39:34.560 into a woman like in Genesis six, and then there's 2253 01:39:34.600 --> 01:39:37.600 gonna be a literal child being born that is of 2254 01:39:37.880 --> 01:39:40.159 Jewish descent, that's gonna be the anti Christ, some people 2255 01:39:40.239 --> 01:39:42.920 believe the anti crisis, and there's different thoughts kraind of 2256 01:39:42.960 --> 01:39:44.279 thoughts on it. I'll just put it that way, if 2257 01:39:44.279 --> 01:39:44.680 that makes sense. 2258 01:39:44.720 --> 01:39:46.840 There's a lot of literary references that people make to 2259 01:39:46.880 --> 01:39:48.520 where it's like, you gotta keep in mind, the Savior 2260 01:39:48.560 --> 01:39:51.079 of the world was conceived when an angel whispered in 2261 01:39:51.159 --> 01:39:54.439 Mary's ear. The devil is gonna do something similar to 2262 01:39:54.439 --> 01:39:57.159 make the Antichrist happen, but he's probably gonna go for 2263 01:39:57.239 --> 01:39:59.600 a little, uh, a little more carnal knowledge. 2264 01:39:59.640 --> 01:40:00.640 It is the devil after all. 2265 01:40:00.680 --> 01:40:02.880 And it's like, Okay, I could see, I could see 2266 01:40:02.920 --> 01:40:06.039 where you would draw these comparisons. I don't actually know that. 2267 01:40:06.079 --> 01:40:08.079 I don't know if it's gonna be a guy who 2268 01:40:08.119 --> 01:40:10.000 is born of the right family and then one day 2269 01:40:10.039 --> 01:40:13.520 gets possessed by the spirit of the Antichrist, or like 2270 01:40:13.600 --> 01:40:17.000 you said, there's different versions of different variants of this. 2271 01:40:17.079 --> 01:40:19.239 So you're not saying that you believe that, yes, the 2272 01:40:19.279 --> 01:40:20.920 guy who is the Antichrist walking the earth. 2273 01:40:20.920 --> 01:40:22.079 You're saying that it's possible. 2274 01:40:22.960 --> 01:40:25.880 It is possible, of course, yeah, and it's possible. It 2275 01:40:26.439 --> 01:40:29.199 depends on what your eschatology is. You know, Satan's Little 2276 01:40:29.199 --> 01:40:32.079 Season people would say the Antichrist already came went, and 2277 01:40:32.279 --> 01:40:35.880 that the next step would be like, you know, the 2278 01:40:35.920 --> 01:40:39.760 war happening like against Israel and then God's sending fire 2279 01:40:39.880 --> 01:40:41.800 from heaven. I mean, there's this, There's a bunch of 2280 01:40:41.840 --> 01:40:44.800 different eschatologies out there. It just depends on what your 2281 01:40:44.840 --> 01:40:47.079 take is, you know, And I'm honestly, I'm a little 2282 01:40:47.119 --> 01:40:49.560 bit open right now. I'm not like stuck on one eschatology. 2283 01:40:49.640 --> 01:40:52.279 So if I was stuck on my old, you know, 2284 01:40:52.920 --> 01:40:55.600 seven year tribulation type thought, then I would say, the 2285 01:40:55.600 --> 01:40:59.039 Antichrist is alive and ready to go, and the seven 2286 01:40:59.119 --> 01:41:01.800 year tribulations come in soon. But I'm just kind of 2287 01:41:01.840 --> 01:41:04.079 too open to it right now. I need to restudy 2288 01:41:04.119 --> 01:41:07.359 the Bible, yeah, and kind of get my footing there, 2289 01:41:07.600 --> 01:41:09.159 because I kind of lost my footing, if that. 2290 01:41:09.119 --> 01:41:10.359 Makes sense now. I feel you. 2291 01:41:10.560 --> 01:41:13.119 I'm of the belief that the Temple is going to 2292 01:41:13.159 --> 01:41:16.399 be rebuilt a third time. And I understand that there's 2293 01:41:16.439 --> 01:41:20.279 people the Stan Satan's Little Season crowd that will say 2294 01:41:20.279 --> 01:41:23.119 that we are the temple, right, we are the body, 2295 01:41:23.239 --> 01:41:25.960 our bodies are the Temple. We are the third Temple 2296 01:41:25.960 --> 01:41:28.119 that's already been rebuilt in all these things. However, if 2297 01:41:28.159 --> 01:41:31.079 the Antichrist is gonna come into the third rebuilt Temple 2298 01:41:31.119 --> 01:41:33.520 and commit the act of defamation, you're telling me that 2299 01:41:33.520 --> 01:41:36.199 the Antichrist is gonna go within me and within you, 2300 01:41:36.279 --> 01:41:39.319 and within all Christendom and equally at the same time. 2301 01:41:39.359 --> 01:41:42.359 To this, like, I don't personally believe that, respect to 2302 01:41:42.399 --> 01:41:44.000 those that do get down with that, but I have 2303 01:41:44.079 --> 01:41:46.640 of the belief that the Temple is gonna be rebuilt 2304 01:41:46.680 --> 01:41:48.920 a third time. And then it's like, all right, at 2305 01:41:48.920 --> 01:41:52.439 that point, all bets are off pretty much. And I 2306 01:41:52.520 --> 01:41:56.840 understand that people with their own eschatology beliefs will, you know, 2307 01:41:56.880 --> 01:41:58.199 feel one way or another on that. 2308 01:41:58.359 --> 01:41:58.960 That's fine. 2309 01:41:59.439 --> 01:42:01.079 But like he said, when you look at the political 2310 01:42:01.119 --> 01:42:03.199 climate of the world and you look at what Israel 2311 01:42:03.239 --> 01:42:05.720 has been trying to do, they got the red Heifer's 2312 01:42:05.720 --> 01:42:08.720 They are currently training Cohen priests that are of the 2313 01:42:08.760 --> 01:42:12.640 Levite bloodline to do the things to consecrate the ground, 2314 01:42:12.720 --> 01:42:15.680 to rebuild the temple and do the sacrifices, and do 2315 01:42:15.760 --> 01:42:19.520 all the things that hasn't happened in the last two 2316 01:42:19.600 --> 01:42:23.560 thousand years of human history, and right now in our lifetime, 2317 01:42:23.600 --> 01:42:26.039 we happen to be here and now when this is 2318 01:42:26.079 --> 01:42:26.560 going down. 2319 01:42:26.760 --> 01:42:28.159 I don't think that's a coincidence. 2320 01:42:28.560 --> 01:42:31.079 Do you think it's just man men trying to force 2321 01:42:31.159 --> 01:42:34.039 the hand of this and that like potentially it's going 2322 01:42:34.079 --> 01:42:37.720 to not cause anything that you know, he's decided when 2323 01:42:37.760 --> 01:42:39.960 it's going to happen, because it doesn't say like we'll 2324 01:42:40.000 --> 01:42:41.840 never know the time, date and all that it does. 2325 01:42:41.880 --> 01:42:44.439 So what if what if they are just trying to 2326 01:42:44.640 --> 01:42:47.199 i e. The elites or whatever are trying to push. 2327 01:42:46.960 --> 01:42:50.479 Forward this and it gets stopped or whatever happens because 2328 01:42:50.560 --> 01:42:51.319 it's not the time. 2329 01:42:51.560 --> 01:42:55.760 So I hear you and I don't. I agree and disagree. 2330 01:42:55.880 --> 01:42:58.520 So are there political elites of the world that are 2331 01:42:58.560 --> 01:43:02.359 absolutely trying to bring this up? About these ESCA I 2332 01:43:02.359 --> 01:43:04.319 don't want to call them eschatologist because that's the study 2333 01:43:04.319 --> 01:43:07.479 of the basically the doom crowd that like they want 2334 01:43:07.520 --> 01:43:10.920 to bring on the end times? That group exists absolutely. 2335 01:43:10.960 --> 01:43:13.079 Why would they want that though? If they're the ruling 2336 01:43:13.119 --> 01:43:16.119 class and they're ruling everything, why would they want to 2337 01:43:16.840 --> 01:43:18.039 bring about the end time? 2338 01:43:18.239 --> 01:43:22.119 I think that they are being steered by principalities of darkness. 2339 01:43:22.560 --> 01:43:24.439 I don't believe that they I don't think they see 2340 01:43:24.479 --> 01:43:26.600 like you know what, I'm just four horsemen come about 2341 01:43:27.119 --> 01:43:29.640 during the well during the breaking of the Seven Seals 2342 01:43:29.800 --> 01:43:33.199 book of Revelation, which is, depending on your interpretations, might 2343 01:43:33.239 --> 01:43:36.039 be after the rapture, it might be before. 2344 01:43:35.960 --> 01:43:39.880 Before the rapture at least, because I would argue that 2345 01:43:39.920 --> 01:43:43.159 famine is already here if I was gonna because of 2346 01:43:43.239 --> 01:43:45.760 the biggest famine that we're having right now. Sure, if 2347 01:43:45.800 --> 01:43:47.840 I was to believe, I would say that famine has 2348 01:43:48.039 --> 01:43:49.359 been here, that is here. 2349 01:43:49.439 --> 01:43:51.840 Correctly, We've had famines worse than this throughout the course 2350 01:43:51.840 --> 01:43:52.720 of human history. 2351 01:43:53.119 --> 01:43:56.640 Technically Somalia is having one of the worst. 2352 01:43:57.000 --> 01:43:59.159 Sure, but that's a country. 2353 01:43:58.840 --> 01:44:01.399 Like there is actually multip countries that are involved in. 2354 01:44:01.319 --> 01:44:03.000 This, but it's not a worldwide famine. 2355 01:44:03.079 --> 01:44:06.479 True, true, all right, So the scariest part of Revelation 2356 01:44:06.640 --> 01:44:09.479 for for everybody that's a helial centrist, should be the 2357 01:44:09.560 --> 01:44:11.960 sixth Seal. Because of the sixth Seal, there's a giant 2358 01:44:11.960 --> 01:44:15.279 earthquake and all the stars fall to the earth. So 2359 01:44:15.359 --> 01:44:17.960 since we know that stars, we think that stars are 2360 01:44:17.960 --> 01:44:20.359 bigger than our sun, then we should be worried about 2361 01:44:20.399 --> 01:44:23.840 that more than famine, because uh yeah, from my from 2362 01:44:23.880 --> 01:44:26.199 my point of view, stars fall into the earth. Would 2363 01:44:26.239 --> 01:44:27.800 be all the moon, Sun, of the stars are within 2364 01:44:27.840 --> 01:44:29.600 the firmament and the stars could fall to the earth. 2365 01:44:29.640 --> 01:44:32.600 That's possible. But can you imagine if they are big 2366 01:44:32.640 --> 01:44:34.439 balls of gas that are bigger than the sun and 2367 01:44:34.479 --> 01:44:37.159 all the stars fall to the earth destructive. 2368 01:44:38.000 --> 01:44:40.239 I don't even think most I don't even think people 2369 01:44:40.239 --> 01:44:43.199 would survive, just even like half the stuff. So there, 2370 01:44:43.279 --> 01:44:47.479 how it would be seven years, like it. 2371 01:44:47.479 --> 01:44:49.760 Can be anybody that survives it pretty much. 2372 01:44:49.760 --> 01:44:52.319 People in the mountains get stars. 2373 01:44:52.319 --> 01:44:54.880 Are actually imagine if all the stars are actually angels 2374 01:44:55.079 --> 01:44:57.039 and then they fall to the earth. So then that's 2375 01:44:57.039 --> 01:44:58.399 a different point of view. That would be like a 2376 01:44:58.399 --> 01:44:59.880 biblical cosmology point of view. 2377 01:45:01.680 --> 01:45:03.720 I don't remember this, but do you have to be 2378 01:45:03.800 --> 01:45:06.279 baptized to be able to go to heaven? Because like 2379 01:45:06.439 --> 01:45:08.119 in the church, the one church I grew up in, 2380 01:45:08.199 --> 01:45:11.520 they were like, you ain't getting to heaven unless you're baptized, 2381 01:45:11.800 --> 01:45:13.560 and like the whole church had to be baptized. 2382 01:45:13.680 --> 01:45:16.159 There's a there's a debate on this one because if 2383 01:45:16.159 --> 01:45:18.840 you look at the guy on the cross next to Jesus, 2384 01:45:19.279 --> 01:45:22.359 he made it to heaven and never got baptized. Right, 2385 01:45:22.359 --> 01:45:25.399 But at the same time Jesus told people to get baptized, 2386 01:45:25.720 --> 01:45:30.000 Paul told people to get baptized. It's not a it's 2387 01:45:30.039 --> 01:45:32.399 not a catch point. But at the same time, it 2388 01:45:32.479 --> 01:45:34.399 is something that you are supposed to do to show 2389 01:45:34.439 --> 01:45:38.119 your outward expression of your faithfulness and devotion to God 2390 01:45:38.239 --> 01:45:39.239 and to following his. 2391 01:45:39.760 --> 01:45:41.760 What if you're baptized and then walk away from the 2392 01:45:41.800 --> 01:45:44.319 faith but not like fully so that work. 2393 01:45:44.600 --> 01:45:46.920 It's see, that's a whole other dogument. 2394 01:45:47.000 --> 01:45:51.199 So so like yeah, yeah, so what Jacob said is correct. 2395 01:45:51.199 --> 01:45:53.399 So there's there's a thief on the cross and he 2396 01:45:53.680 --> 01:45:57.159 I remember, he repents and then Jesus says, you will 2397 01:45:57.199 --> 01:45:59.720 be with me in Paradise today. Right, So that's that's 2398 01:45:59.760 --> 01:46:03.159 it trusting thing that happened, and I think it is 2399 01:46:03.199 --> 01:46:05.640 an outward expression. And and what happens is some people 2400 01:46:05.680 --> 01:46:07.800 would feel like, you know what, I can live my 2401 01:46:07.840 --> 01:46:10.960 life however I want, as long as I get baptized. 2402 01:46:11.079 --> 01:46:12.840 You see, That's that's what happens with that. It's like 2403 01:46:12.880 --> 01:46:15.119 a work based thing, and it's kind of like as 2404 01:46:15.159 --> 01:46:17.039 long as I'm baptized, I'm safe, so I'm good. And 2405 01:46:17.039 --> 01:46:19.520 that happens a lot with people where they're like they're like, 2406 01:46:19.560 --> 01:46:21.199 do you think it Do you think that your father 2407 01:46:21.279 --> 01:46:23.520 went to heaven. Yeah, he was baptized as a baby 2408 01:46:23.560 --> 01:46:25.319 in the Catholic Church. Of course he's in heaven, you know, 2409 01:46:25.359 --> 01:46:27.399 and that that's a problem. Yeah, that's not the way 2410 01:46:27.439 --> 01:46:29.800 it goes, you know. It's it's really about we're saved 2411 01:46:29.840 --> 01:46:33.520 by grace through faith, and then it says it's it's 2412 01:46:33.520 --> 01:46:37.399 a gift from God, uh, not by works and and 2413 01:46:37.399 --> 01:46:39.960 and if you're getting baptized, that's something that's getting saved 2414 01:46:39.960 --> 01:46:43.159 by works. But there's definitely different discussions on this, and 2415 01:46:43.279 --> 01:46:45.359 Jacob is correct, there's different interpretations of it. 2416 01:46:45.640 --> 01:46:48.960 And as far as those that walk away though, that's 2417 01:46:49.039 --> 01:46:50.039 that's another thing too. 2418 01:46:50.319 --> 01:46:52.159 I don't believe that you can be unadopted. 2419 01:46:53.720 --> 01:46:56.359 So that's you feel like once saved always say it. 2420 01:46:57.359 --> 01:46:59.239 I feel like there's nuances and levels to it. 2421 01:46:59.560 --> 01:47:03.000 If I was going to oversimplify it, then yes, But 2422 01:47:03.079 --> 01:47:05.039 at the same time, I don't believe, like, for instance, 2423 01:47:05.319 --> 01:47:08.239 if you're somebody who gets saved like as an adult 2424 01:47:08.279 --> 01:47:10.279 and like you are fully in the faith, not somebody 2425 01:47:10.279 --> 01:47:12.720 who went to Bible services as a kid and the 2426 01:47:12.760 --> 01:47:15.680 God baptized like as an adult past the age of ignorance. 2427 01:47:15.720 --> 01:47:18.399 You made the decision to walk by faith cool, and 2428 01:47:18.439 --> 01:47:21.600 then somewhere along the way you decide that you know what, actually, 2429 01:47:22.199 --> 01:47:24.239 Satan's kind of cool. And I don't mean just like 2430 01:47:24.279 --> 01:47:26.399 walk away and just live a neutral, earthly life. I 2431 01:47:26.439 --> 01:47:30.439 mean somebody who's like actively going and doing like necromancy 2432 01:47:30.600 --> 01:47:33.119 and magic with a K and shit like that. I 2433 01:47:33.159 --> 01:47:35.479 don't know how God's going to fall on that, because 2434 01:47:35.560 --> 01:47:38.239 I also believe that once you are adopted into his family, 2435 01:47:38.319 --> 01:47:39.399 you're adopted into his family. 2436 01:47:39.399 --> 01:47:40.880 It's very similar to the prodigal son. 2437 01:47:41.479 --> 01:47:44.119 Right, he went off and did everything wrong, and when 2438 01:47:44.119 --> 01:47:46.079 the time came, his dad got up and ran to 2439 01:47:46.359 --> 01:47:49.279 him and wasn't hearing about like you've done this, you've 2440 01:47:49.319 --> 01:47:51.359 done this, Like I don't care. You're here now and 2441 01:47:51.399 --> 01:47:53.880 you're my son. But that's the thing. He came back. 2442 01:47:54.159 --> 01:47:56.399 He didn't die living in squalid right. 2443 01:47:56.520 --> 01:47:59.079 So I'm saying that story is he came back, and 2444 01:47:59.079 --> 01:48:01.319 that's showing you that God God gives you grace, and 2445 01:48:01.319 --> 01:48:03.079 then when you come back, He's gonna love you with 2446 01:48:03.079 --> 01:48:05.880 open arms and even sometimes more love you more than 2447 01:48:05.920 --> 01:48:08.239 the person that's walk with them their whole life, because 2448 01:48:08.279 --> 01:48:10.920 you got the tastes and you got to taste that 2449 01:48:10.960 --> 01:48:13.479 party life. You got to taste that drinking, that process 2450 01:48:13.520 --> 01:48:15.439 to whatever you're involved in, you know, and then you 2451 01:48:15.520 --> 01:48:17.520 came back to me. And that's why he's he loves 2452 01:48:17.520 --> 01:48:18.279 you with open arms. 2453 01:48:18.319 --> 01:48:18.439 You know. 2454 01:48:18.479 --> 01:48:21.079 That's the prodigal son story. But there's things in the 2455 01:48:21.079 --> 01:48:24.399 Bible that you can do to lose your salvation. For example, 2456 01:48:24.479 --> 01:48:26.760 like if you do blasphemy of the Holy Spirit, that's 2457 01:48:26.800 --> 01:48:29.359 something that you could lose your salvation. Also, if you 2458 01:48:29.359 --> 01:48:30.840 get the mark of the Beast, it says that you 2459 01:48:30.880 --> 01:48:32.600 were a race from the Book of Life. Yeah, so 2460 01:48:32.640 --> 01:48:34.600 if you are saved your whole entire life and then 2461 01:48:34.640 --> 01:48:36.279 you get tested for the Mark of the Beast and 2462 01:48:36.279 --> 01:48:38.720 then you're like I'll take it, then then you know 2463 01:48:38.760 --> 01:48:40.479 there is a way to lose your salvation. But I 2464 01:48:40.479 --> 01:48:43.000 think that Jacob, you make a good point. But there's 2465 01:48:43.039 --> 01:48:47.439 people that you know, it's I think denouncing the faith 2466 01:48:47.520 --> 01:48:50.079 or denouncing Jesus would be blasting the Holy Spirit. So 2467 01:48:50.119 --> 01:48:51.800 there's a way I think you can lose your faith. 2468 01:48:52.039 --> 01:48:55.039 That's even though that you're lose your salvation, if that 2469 01:48:55.079 --> 01:48:58.119 makes sense. But it's a it's a tough road. Like 2470 01:48:58.159 --> 01:48:59.760 when you get saved. It's not like you're just like 2471 01:49:00.079 --> 01:49:01.800 all right, now, everything's easy for now on I think 2472 01:49:01.800 --> 01:49:03.720 there's a bigger target on your back and you, oh, 2473 01:49:03.760 --> 01:49:06.079 you can't have it, especially if you're doing a podcast 2474 01:49:06.159 --> 01:49:07.920 like us or you know, you're talking about God on 2475 01:49:08.199 --> 01:49:11.880 a podcast and you're you're using it for influence. Now 2476 01:49:11.960 --> 01:49:13.880 the devil is like God, look at him. 2477 01:49:14.119 --> 01:49:15.000 Oh dude, this guy. 2478 01:49:15.159 --> 01:49:18.239 Even aside from podcasting, you know, I know dudes that 2479 01:49:18.560 --> 01:49:21.560 they you know, found Christ later in life and they 2480 01:49:21.640 --> 01:49:24.920 dive into the word and at that moment everything starts 2481 01:49:24.960 --> 01:49:26.920 falling down around them in their life. 2482 01:49:27.359 --> 01:49:29.520 And it's like, I thought this was supposed to be good. 2483 01:49:29.520 --> 01:49:30.439 Why is everything so hard? 2484 01:49:30.479 --> 01:49:33.640 It's like, oh, brother, no, God told you to carry 2485 01:49:33.640 --> 01:49:35.880 a strap daily. He told you to put on your armor. 2486 01:49:35.920 --> 01:49:37.359 He didn't tell you to do that to go be 2487 01:49:37.479 --> 01:49:39.479 a gardener. He told you that because you're stepping into 2488 01:49:39.479 --> 01:49:42.520 a warfare. You thought, like, real shit, you thought being 2489 01:49:42.520 --> 01:49:45.000 a Christian was going to be easy. Oh no, no, 2490 01:49:45.520 --> 01:49:47.560 everything's about to go wrong for you. And that's a 2491 01:49:47.560 --> 01:49:49.319 sign that you're doing the right thing. And I know 2492 01:49:49.399 --> 01:49:52.359 that sounds counterintuitive, but that is that's how this works. 2493 01:49:52.520 --> 01:49:54.840 Because the devil is pissed and he's trying to do 2494 01:49:54.920 --> 01:49:57.199 things to dissuade you from the path, and that's. 2495 01:49:57.159 --> 01:49:59.760 Wants to bring you back no matter what he has 2496 01:49:59.760 --> 01:50:03.359 to do. It like really lightly, it just tap you into, 2497 01:50:03.600 --> 01:50:06.680 you know, compromising or putting you into a scenario. Sometimes 2498 01:50:06.760 --> 01:50:08.880 you feel like a full spiritual attack. Sometimes you just 2499 01:50:08.920 --> 01:50:12.119 get lightly tapped and you start compromising your faith and 2500 01:50:12.119 --> 01:50:13.880 then you realize it and go, wow, what am I doing? 2501 01:50:13.960 --> 01:50:17.199 You know, it's very sneaky, subtle. You know, he's like 2502 01:50:17.239 --> 01:50:19.880 a roaring lion waiting to pounce sometimes where he's about 2503 01:50:19.920 --> 01:50:22.680 to attack you, or he's just like this little guy 2504 01:50:22.720 --> 01:50:25.079 that's just kind of pushing you into compromising, you know. 2505 01:50:25.199 --> 01:50:27.680 So it's it's a hard battle, you know, and it's 2506 01:50:27.680 --> 01:50:29.840 not easy at all, and it's not easy to even 2507 01:50:29.960 --> 01:50:32.199 stand your ground when you're around your your friends that 2508 01:50:32.239 --> 01:50:34.239 you used to hang out with and or your brother 2509 01:50:34.439 --> 01:50:36.800 or your people where everybody's drinking and partying and you're 2510 01:50:36.840 --> 01:50:38.640 just like, oh no, I'm good and they're just like 2511 01:50:38.640 --> 01:50:40.359 they start feeling some type of way about you, like 2512 01:50:40.600 --> 01:50:43.039 why what's you think you're better than us? It's it's hard, 2513 01:50:43.640 --> 01:50:44.039 but you have. 2514 01:50:44.000 --> 01:50:48.439 A question about that actually about what do you believe 2515 01:50:48.520 --> 01:50:53.840 that alcohol is like a gateway into allowing like demonic 2516 01:50:53.920 --> 01:50:56.359 Because I've heard this argument quite a bit that that 2517 01:50:56.399 --> 01:51:00.600 it pretty much opens you up for demonic I guess entities, 2518 01:51:00.680 --> 01:51:03.119 warfare or in question. 2519 01:51:03.760 --> 01:51:06.479 There's no question at all that I think that one 2520 01:51:06.520 --> 01:51:09.720 hundred percent it does. Now, if you drink a glass 2521 01:51:09.760 --> 01:51:12.000 of wine with your wife at night, right, and and 2522 01:51:12.000 --> 01:51:14.720 then you guys relax together and you watch a movie 2523 01:51:14.720 --> 01:51:17.039 and you have fun, that's that's different. But when you 2524 01:51:17.039 --> 01:51:19.640 open yourself, the way you open yourself up is you 2525 01:51:19.680 --> 01:51:22.119 start you start getting drunk. That's why the Bible says 2526 01:51:22.159 --> 01:51:24.239 not to be a drunkard, because what happens is you 2527 01:51:24.279 --> 01:51:27.000 get drunk. And that's why they're called spirits. Even see 2528 01:51:27.000 --> 01:51:29.960 that a liquor stores, sometimes it's called they're called spirits 2529 01:51:30.000 --> 01:51:32.760 because that's what I believe is happening. You're you're inviting 2530 01:51:33.159 --> 01:51:36.079 a spirit to come in, and the Holy Spirit's protecting you, 2531 01:51:36.079 --> 01:51:38.079 you know the best that the Holy Spirit can. But 2532 01:51:38.199 --> 01:51:40.319 as you drink and drink and drink, I think that 2533 01:51:40.319 --> 01:51:43.279 that you kind of do open yourself up to an 2534 01:51:43.479 --> 01:51:47.800 entity because it's suppressing. You can get so drunk that 2535 01:51:47.880 --> 01:51:50.880 you're just walking around doing things for five hours and 2536 01:51:50.920 --> 01:51:54.239 you don't remember a thing because that's not you, that's 2537 01:51:54.239 --> 01:51:56.920 something else operating in you. So I do believe that 2538 01:51:57.000 --> 01:52:01.079 it does. And the same thing with drugs like methaphetamine, cocaine, 2539 01:52:01.840 --> 01:52:04.439 all these different drugs, they open you up to a 2540 01:52:04.640 --> 01:52:07.560 different realm. And you could see that when someone does 2541 01:52:07.600 --> 01:52:10.079 like meth, for example, you could be a normal guy, 2542 01:52:10.760 --> 01:52:13.399 super nice to everybody, loving, and then you start doing meth, 2543 01:52:13.439 --> 01:52:16.880 and then you start doing fraud and pornography and you know, 2544 01:52:17.920 --> 01:52:20.119 doing things that you would never do normally. So it 2545 01:52:20.159 --> 01:52:23.680 does open you up to different temptations, if that makes sense. 2546 01:52:23.960 --> 01:52:26.319 Now does a spirit literally take over your body? I 2547 01:52:26.359 --> 01:52:27.960 don't know about that, but I just think that you 2548 01:52:28.000 --> 01:52:33.159 are allowing something else to take over that is not you, 2549 01:52:33.159 --> 01:52:36.039 you know. So the Bible does warnt against drunking drunkardness, 2550 01:52:36.119 --> 01:52:39.000 but the Bible doesn't tell you don't drink alcohol at all, 2551 01:52:39.680 --> 01:52:42.199 you know, if sometimes you know you need to relax, 2552 01:52:42.359 --> 01:52:44.199 and you know you just need to and I don't 2553 01:52:44.279 --> 01:52:47.239 drink it all though, that's only because I had problems 2554 01:52:47.279 --> 01:52:49.840 with drugs and alcohol in the past, you know. And 2555 01:52:49.880 --> 01:52:52.399 I'm not saying I was an alcoholic, but I know what 2556 01:52:52.520 --> 01:52:55.039 it does to me. So for me, I just think 2557 01:52:55.079 --> 01:52:58.079 I make way better decisions. I can drive from point 2558 01:52:58.079 --> 01:52:59.960 A to point B with no problem. I have my 2559 01:53:00.119 --> 01:53:01.479 kids in the car. I don't want to have any 2560 01:53:01.520 --> 01:53:05.000 alcohol in my system whatsoever. And I just want to 2561 01:53:05.960 --> 01:53:08.119 represent God any way I can. Now. If I was 2562 01:53:08.159 --> 01:53:10.600 over at my brother's house, for example, right, and he 2563 01:53:10.640 --> 01:53:12.520 had all those coworkers there who do listen to this, 2564 01:53:12.840 --> 01:53:15.800 to my show, and they saw me getting drunk, cussing, 2565 01:53:16.199 --> 01:53:17.840 being all that, then they're gonna look at me a 2566 01:53:17.840 --> 01:53:20.079 different way, you know, like they're gonna they're gonna be like, oh, 2567 01:53:20.119 --> 01:53:22.439 why you Is this how you are normally? You know, 2568 01:53:22.720 --> 01:53:25.039 I can't do that because now I'm representing God in 2569 01:53:25.079 --> 01:53:28.560 a way, if that makes sense. And yeah, I want 2570 01:53:28.560 --> 01:53:31.520 to make sure that I'm representing him the proper way. 2571 01:53:31.760 --> 01:53:33.520 And I'm not saying that if you're a Christian and 2572 01:53:33.560 --> 01:53:35.760 you drink, you're not representing him. But I think I'm 2573 01:53:35.800 --> 01:53:38.800 in a different zone because I'm doing Bible studies and 2574 01:53:38.840 --> 01:53:42.159 I have to make sure that I'm not like a hypocrite, 2575 01:53:42.199 --> 01:53:42.880 if that makes sense. 2576 01:53:43.119 --> 01:53:46.399 Sure, I heard that, and I don't know, and I 2577 01:53:46.479 --> 01:53:49.720 think We've actually talked about this before the wedding situation. 2578 01:53:50.079 --> 01:53:53.760 Where Jesus turned water into wine. So okay, looking at 2579 01:53:53.800 --> 01:53:58.279 the traditional translation, there is no differentiating between juice and 2580 01:53:58.399 --> 01:54:01.119 wine in the Hebrew language. So I've heard some people 2581 01:54:01.119 --> 01:54:04.640 say that Jesus turned the water into really fancy juice, 2582 01:54:04.680 --> 01:54:07.159 and I'm like, big dog, this was a wedding party. 2583 01:54:08.319 --> 01:54:11.359 They actually drank more wine than they did water. 2584 01:54:12.359 --> 01:54:14.600 Well it was a lot weaker, yeah it is. 2585 01:54:14.520 --> 01:54:16.439 But they you know, they didn't really realize that they 2586 01:54:16.439 --> 01:54:19.399 needed to drink more water than wine back in the day. 2587 01:54:19.439 --> 01:54:22.319 I mean, they drink wine like NonStop pretty much everybody. 2588 01:54:22.479 --> 01:54:24.600 But to Josh's point, and I agree with you one 2589 01:54:24.640 --> 01:54:27.279 hundred percent, I don't believe that it expressly tells you 2590 01:54:27.520 --> 01:54:31.760 not to drink alcohol or not to consume certain things that, yes, 2591 01:54:31.840 --> 01:54:34.319 if done to a further extent, can kill you. How 2592 01:54:34.359 --> 01:54:36.039 you can drink water to the point of drowning on 2593 01:54:36.119 --> 01:54:39.119 dry land, you can eat yourself to death, you can 2594 01:54:39.199 --> 01:54:42.520 drink yourself to death. However, food is not bad, water 2595 01:54:42.600 --> 01:54:45.000 is not bad. Wine is not bad. It says to 2596 01:54:45.039 --> 01:54:47.039 not let your mind be as the ocean. It basically 2597 01:54:47.079 --> 01:54:50.119 means do your thing, but do it within the realm 2598 01:54:50.279 --> 01:54:51.880 of acceptable behavior. 2599 01:54:52.119 --> 01:54:53.439 Don't go too crazy with it. 2600 01:54:53.680 --> 01:54:55.199 If you can feel yourself getting a little bit of 2601 01:54:55.199 --> 01:54:57.600 a buzz, maybe put the glass down and maybe like 2602 01:54:57.640 --> 01:55:00.319 that's that's where you chill, and that's that The problem 2603 01:55:00.359 --> 01:55:02.039 a lot of people have that they're like, oh, I 2604 01:55:02.039 --> 01:55:04.000 got a little buzz, Well we need to just ramp 2605 01:55:04.039 --> 01:55:04.720 that buzz up. 2606 01:55:04.840 --> 01:55:05.439 Let's keep going. 2607 01:55:05.479 --> 01:55:07.199 And it's like, see we got We have to fight 2608 01:55:07.359 --> 01:55:11.159 our human nature and keep ourselves accountable, and a lot 2609 01:55:11.159 --> 01:55:14.039 of people are really really bad at that. No judgment 2610 01:55:14.079 --> 01:55:16.880 from me for the record, I people know my struggles, 2611 01:55:16.880 --> 01:55:20.000 but my point is that we it's okay to have 2612 01:55:20.640 --> 01:55:23.600 a cocktail, right, It's okay to have a couple of 2613 01:55:23.600 --> 01:55:25.600 beers with your buddies. It's okay to have a glass 2614 01:55:25.600 --> 01:55:28.319 of wine. But like, every person's different. One glass of 2615 01:55:28.359 --> 01:55:30.399 wine does not hit this person the same way hits 2616 01:55:30.439 --> 01:55:33.239 this person. So it's a it's a case by case 2617 01:55:33.239 --> 01:55:36.039 and a person by person. But yeah, we are supposed 2618 01:55:36.079 --> 01:55:39.000 to keep ourselves accountable to a higher standard that we 2619 01:55:39.039 --> 01:55:41.600 put on ourselves for God. 2620 01:55:41.439 --> 01:55:42.439 And for ourselves. 2621 01:55:42.920 --> 01:55:46.279 Right, Like your kids are never gonna benefit from seeing 2622 01:55:46.319 --> 01:55:48.560 you puking your guts up at night because you drink 2623 01:55:48.560 --> 01:55:50.399 too much. That's never gonna be a good thing for 2624 01:55:50.439 --> 01:55:53.359 them to look back and remember it's there. There's levels 2625 01:55:53.399 --> 01:55:54.800 to this, yeah, because. 2626 01:55:54.600 --> 01:55:56.199 They're gonna tell them I don't want you to drink, 2627 01:55:56.239 --> 01:55:57.800 and then they're like, well, you drink all the time, 2628 01:55:57.840 --> 01:55:59.760 you know, so it's hard for you to to But 2629 01:56:00.079 --> 01:56:02.560 also what I would say, you had a good point. 2630 01:56:02.600 --> 01:56:05.119 Let me think what I was saying. Oh, if you 2631 01:56:05.119 --> 01:56:07.840 talk to somebody that actually has had problems with alcohol, 2632 01:56:08.119 --> 01:56:11.720 they will tell you that there is a strong, demonic 2633 01:56:11.840 --> 01:56:14.399 hold that alcohol can have on you, and it is 2634 01:56:14.439 --> 01:56:17.760 the worst. The reason why is because there's alcohol. You 2635 01:56:17.760 --> 01:56:20.199 could find a liquor store on every corner. So it's 2636 01:56:20.239 --> 01:56:22.680 the easiest thing when you have an issue with to 2637 01:56:23.239 --> 01:56:27.000 actually take over your life and have a stronghold on 2638 01:56:27.039 --> 01:56:29.520 you because it is available, readily available. When you're trying 2639 01:56:29.520 --> 01:56:32.560 to like when you're doing drugs, like you know, cocaine 2640 01:56:32.640 --> 01:56:34.439 or like meth, then you have to go out and 2641 01:56:34.479 --> 01:56:36.079 find it, and you have to go find a dealer. 2642 01:56:36.119 --> 01:56:38.279 Sometimes the dealer gets busted or something, so now you're 2643 01:56:38.319 --> 01:56:40.439 trying to find a dealer and it's hard. But now 2644 01:56:40.479 --> 01:56:43.520 you've got dealers on every single corner that openly will 2645 01:56:43.560 --> 01:56:45.359 sell it to you, no matter what you know. And 2646 01:56:45.439 --> 01:56:47.800 also there's bars all over the place as well, and 2647 01:56:48.119 --> 01:56:50.520 I think what they're so they would tell you, like 2648 01:56:50.640 --> 01:56:53.039 I've heard talked alcoholics talk to me and tell me 2649 01:56:53.119 --> 01:56:56.760 that that it is a strong, demonic hold, and they 2650 01:56:56.840 --> 01:56:59.880 look at alcohol totally different than someone like Jacob Er 2651 01:57:00.079 --> 01:57:02.239 or like someone like me or my friends would look 2652 01:57:02.239 --> 01:57:05.640 at alcohol, you know, because it is just demonic and 2653 01:57:05.680 --> 01:57:07.720 it takes over your life and you have to have 2654 01:57:07.760 --> 01:57:10.800 a drink or you're shaking or the come down. Sometimes 2655 01:57:10.880 --> 01:57:12.800 one out of four people die from it. So it 2656 01:57:12.840 --> 01:57:17.239 can become a really powerful stimulant and take over. 2657 01:57:18.600 --> 01:57:22.760 I've spent many, many many years in uh in a 2658 01:57:22.920 --> 01:57:23.840 in aa uh. 2659 01:57:24.640 --> 01:57:26.199 I have not myself. 2660 01:57:26.239 --> 01:57:29.279 My my father was a recovering drug addict and alcoholic, 2661 01:57:29.560 --> 01:57:34.279 and he he would go decade without having a relapse, 2662 01:57:34.319 --> 01:57:37.920 and then suddenly he would have a relapse and then 2663 01:57:37.960 --> 01:57:40.399 he would struggle for you know a few years, and 2664 01:57:40.399 --> 01:57:42.560 then you know, so we spend a lot of time 2665 01:57:43.640 --> 01:57:44.159 doing that. 2666 01:57:44.279 --> 01:57:45.960 And I've been to you and then one of my. 2667 01:57:45.960 --> 01:57:48.039 Ex has actually had a lot of issues, and so 2668 01:57:48.079 --> 01:57:51.760 I spent a lot of time in circles and doing 2669 01:57:52.279 --> 01:57:54.479 you know, going and listening to people's stories. I find 2670 01:57:54.479 --> 01:57:57.039 it really interesting because when a lot of people end 2671 01:57:57.119 --> 01:58:00.479 up in AA, they end up turning towards some type 2672 01:58:00.520 --> 01:58:02.840 of Abrahamic religion, depending on what it is. 2673 01:58:02.960 --> 01:58:04.560 Well, the twelve steps are based out of the. 2674 01:58:04.479 --> 01:58:08.159 Bible, yes, I do know that, and they even a 2675 01:58:08.199 --> 01:58:11.840 lot of the churches actually host AA and NA things. 2676 01:58:12.199 --> 01:58:15.560 But it was an interesting thing to listen to people 2677 01:58:15.600 --> 01:58:18.239 and kind of their stories and how they felt about it, 2678 01:58:18.359 --> 01:58:20.720 or a lot of people would talk about being possessed 2679 01:58:21.479 --> 01:58:24.239 and like they felt possessed, they didn't recognize themselves, they 2680 01:58:24.239 --> 01:58:27.359 didn't realize they didn't the person that they became was 2681 01:58:27.399 --> 01:58:30.640 something completely different than they who they really are, And 2682 01:58:30.720 --> 01:58:33.359 it depended on the level and severity of their addiction 2683 01:58:33.840 --> 01:58:34.640 and how hard. 2684 01:58:34.479 --> 01:58:35.239 It is to break. 2685 01:58:35.279 --> 01:58:38.960 And so it's it's definitely a challenge when it comes 2686 01:58:39.000 --> 01:58:41.159 to those type of things. I mean, hell, porn addiction, 2687 01:58:41.199 --> 01:58:43.720 I think with I think that actually topples. 2688 01:58:44.000 --> 01:58:46.000 I think that is the most addictive thing on this planet. 2689 01:58:46.199 --> 01:58:46.720 It's born. 2690 01:58:46.880 --> 01:58:49.039 I was literally just about to say, sin feels like 2691 01:58:49.119 --> 01:58:50.520 freedom until you try to stop. 2692 01:58:51.000 --> 01:58:53.479 And that could be alcoholic, could be drugs could be whatever. 2693 01:58:53.840 --> 01:58:57.199 If I've had when I was like a heavy drinker, 2694 01:58:57.279 --> 01:58:59.279 I had someone even presents to me like that. It's like, 2695 01:58:59.279 --> 01:59:01.399 so you don't consue yourself an alcoholic And I'm like no, 2696 01:59:01.439 --> 01:59:04.520 They're like, okay, go on drink, just just to do it, 2697 01:59:04.560 --> 01:59:07.119 just to see because you're not an alcoholic and you 2698 01:59:07.159 --> 01:59:09.720 don't need it. You just said so, so prove it 2699 01:59:09.760 --> 01:59:11.640 to me. Just just go a month without a drink. 2700 01:59:12.239 --> 01:59:15.720 That was so fucking hard for me, and I was like, Okay, 2701 01:59:16.199 --> 01:59:19.560 perhaps perhaps Jacob has a problem, and perhaps Jacob needs 2702 01:59:19.640 --> 01:59:21.680 to get get the reins on that. And it's the 2703 01:59:21.720 --> 01:59:24.279 same thing for drug addicts or porn addicts, like, okay, 2704 01:59:24.399 --> 01:59:25.880 do you think you're not addicted to porn? 2705 01:59:26.319 --> 01:59:28.680 Go go a week without watching it. 2706 01:59:29.199 --> 01:59:31.960 Just just prove it to yourself whole week. 2707 01:59:32.239 --> 01:59:36.640 And it's like yo, sin feels like free, dumb until 2708 01:59:36.680 --> 01:59:38.600 you try to stop, but then you realize what end 2709 01:59:38.600 --> 01:59:40.479 of the dog leash you're currently attached to. 2710 01:59:41.479 --> 01:59:43.760 It takes a lot to stop any type of addiction. 2711 01:59:43.840 --> 01:59:45.560 And it's not just you know, it could be all 2712 01:59:45.600 --> 01:59:48.520 those things, but it's also there's people that have food addictions. 2713 01:59:48.520 --> 01:59:51.079 There's people that have gym addictions. 2714 01:59:50.439 --> 01:59:54.600 Like even when it's something that's so like inconspicuous, it's 2715 01:59:54.600 --> 01:59:58.079 something you know, it's taking your time away from everything else. 2716 01:59:58.399 --> 02:00:01.359 Phone addiction is a huge thing, huge, huge. I mean, 2717 02:00:01.399 --> 02:00:03.479 my god. People are so addicted to the phones. 2718 02:00:03.479 --> 02:00:06.119 And then as adults we're like, we're not addicted, but 2719 02:00:06.199 --> 02:00:07.760 we carry that phone around like. 2720 02:00:07.760 --> 02:00:10.520 A leash everywhere we go. We won't forget the phone. 2721 02:00:11.079 --> 02:00:13.079 A lot of people have forgotten their kids in their cars, 2722 02:00:13.079 --> 02:00:14.479 but they won't forget that cell phone. 2723 02:00:14.840 --> 02:00:17.520 Yeah, which is insane, it. 2724 02:00:17.359 --> 02:00:19.800 Is, that's so very true. So, yeah, we're coming up 2725 02:00:19.800 --> 02:00:21.920 on almost where my kids are gonna come downstairs. I 2726 02:00:21.920 --> 02:00:22.399 can hear them. 2727 02:00:22.560 --> 02:00:27.880 Yeah, yeah, they're like, yeah, they're waiting. 2728 02:00:27.960 --> 02:00:29.960 So well, Hey man, I love you guys. Man, I 2729 02:00:30.039 --> 02:00:32.479 really appreciate you, Raven. It's it's very nice to meet you. 2730 02:00:32.600 --> 02:00:33.279 Nice to meet you too. 2731 02:00:34.039 --> 02:00:35.720 And I know you guys are gonna do well, and 2732 02:00:36.359 --> 02:00:38.359 thank you. Whether Jonathan comes back or not, I know 2733 02:00:38.399 --> 02:00:40.560 that you guys will do great. And I hope that 2734 02:00:40.760 --> 02:00:42.359 everything goes well for you guys, you know, and I 2735 02:00:42.399 --> 02:00:45.760 appreciate everything, and thank you Jacob for even inviting me 2736 02:00:45.800 --> 02:00:47.399 to do Bible studies in the first place, you know. 2737 02:00:47.479 --> 02:00:51.279 And Jonathan, thank you if he listens to this, because man, 2738 02:00:52.399 --> 02:00:54.560 what a what a crazy thing that it ended up 2739 02:00:54.600 --> 02:00:56.199 just happening all the way till now, you know, and 2740 02:00:56.239 --> 02:00:58.359 it's still rolling. So it's it's a blessing man. Thank 2741 02:00:58.399 --> 02:01:01.159 you so much, family too, Thank. 2742 02:01:01.000 --> 02:01:02.239 You absolutely brother. 2743 02:01:02.439 --> 02:01:04.720 So Josh, for anybody who may not have heard of 2744 02:01:04.760 --> 02:01:07.079 you and for some reason they're on the CULD to conspiracy, 2745 02:01:07.079 --> 02:01:10.000 but don't listen to your Bible studies on the Sundays 2746 02:01:10.000 --> 02:01:13.000 and Wednesdays, where can they find you? Plug the socials, 2747 02:01:13.000 --> 02:01:15.119 Plug all of your things that you're doing, get the 2748 02:01:15.279 --> 02:01:16.319 get all the shout outs. 2749 02:01:16.800 --> 02:01:20.119 Yeah. So Josh Monday Underscore podcast is my Instagram and 2750 02:01:20.159 --> 02:01:24.399 then my show is Josh Monday Music and Podcast on YouTube, 2751 02:01:24.479 --> 02:01:27.199 and then Josh Monday Christian Conspiracy Podcast. You can kind 2752 02:01:27.199 --> 02:01:29.600 of see it behind me, that's the sign. You'll see 2753 02:01:29.600 --> 02:01:32.640 that on audio. So yeah, I'm doing I'm slowly releasing 2754 02:01:32.680 --> 02:01:34.680 the Bible studies that I've been doing on could Conspiracy, 2755 02:01:34.680 --> 02:01:37.279 and then I'm also releasing the interviews I'm doing here 2756 02:01:37.279 --> 02:01:40.399 and there with other people, you know. So I'm still 2757 02:01:40.479 --> 02:01:43.600 doing interviews for other shows like i'm doing here. So yeah, 2758 02:01:43.640 --> 02:01:45.079 if you want to check that out, and I'm slowly 2759 02:01:45.159 --> 02:01:47.520 kind of releasing Sometimes once in a while I do 2760 02:01:47.600 --> 02:01:50.720 do interviews with people and I release it on my show. 2761 02:01:50.800 --> 02:01:52.800 So yeah, definitely if you guys want to check it out. 2762 02:01:52.840 --> 02:01:54.359 And also if you guys could do me a favor 2763 02:01:54.359 --> 02:01:57.800 and leave a five star review for Jacob and for 2764 02:01:57.920 --> 02:02:01.479 Raven on Apple and then also on Spotify as well, 2765 02:02:01.720 --> 02:02:04.680 and also leave some good reviews on this the combat section, 2766 02:02:04.720 --> 02:02:06.680 if you guys could for this show, really appreciate it. 2767 02:02:06.760 --> 02:02:09.880 Josh, you're literally the best ever brother. You know, we 2768 02:02:09.880 --> 02:02:12.680 didn't give the plug in the beginning that for anybody 2769 02:02:12.680 --> 02:02:14.840 who is listening that would like to see our faces 2770 02:02:14.920 --> 02:02:16.920 rather than just hear our voices and support the show 2771 02:02:16.920 --> 02:02:18.199 in the best way possible, what you need to do 2772 02:02:18.239 --> 02:02:20.880 is go to Patreon, dot com slash cult to conspiracy Podcasts. 2773 02:02:20.920 --> 02:02:22.880 It is the only place to get the video of 2774 02:02:22.920 --> 02:02:23.399 this show. 2775 02:02:23.640 --> 02:02:25.439 But probably the main reason why people go there in 2776 02:02:25.479 --> 02:02:27.279 the first place is it because it is the only 2777 02:02:27.319 --> 02:02:30.239 place to get these shows absolutely. 2778 02:02:30.000 --> 02:02:32.199 Commercial for you listening, y'all. 2779 02:02:32.760 --> 02:02:36.359 Yes, indeed listen, commercial suck, ads suck. We understand that 2780 02:02:36.720 --> 02:02:38.600 if you want to get these shows absolutely commercial free, 2781 02:02:38.640 --> 02:02:41.119 you go to patreon dot com slash cult to conspiracy podcasts. 2782 02:02:41.279 --> 02:02:43.000 We got a couple of tiers for entry over there 2783 02:02:43.039 --> 02:02:44.199 that five dollars a month. 2784 02:02:44.039 --> 02:02:47.279 Here will get you in the videos, the footage, the 2785 02:02:47.319 --> 02:02:49.359 ad free listening, all the stuff, and some behind the 2786 02:02:49.359 --> 02:02:51.600 scenes clips that we're actually we're actually way more active 2787 02:02:51.640 --> 02:02:53.439 on Patreon now than we've probably ever been. 2788 02:02:53.720 --> 02:02:56.239 I did want to say though, really quick before we forgot. 2789 02:02:56.640 --> 02:02:58.920 We do have a new book club we are starting 2790 02:02:59.279 --> 02:03:00.560 is called the Hit Chapter. 2791 02:03:00.840 --> 02:03:02.720 We're super pumped. I'm super pumped. 2792 02:03:03.359 --> 02:03:07.239 It's my little pet project, and we selected the name. 2793 02:03:07.359 --> 02:03:10.600 We are currently adding the list together of the different books, 2794 02:03:10.600 --> 02:03:12.199 and what we're going to do is is we're going 2795 02:03:12.279 --> 02:03:14.520 to have like a little bowl where I put all 2796 02:03:14.520 --> 02:03:16.239 the names in and I'm going to do a live 2797 02:03:16.319 --> 02:03:18.560 polling and we're going to start with whatever book first, 2798 02:03:19.000 --> 02:03:21.039 and we're gonna there's a different stuff. I kind of 2799 02:03:21.119 --> 02:03:23.560 laid it out on the Patreon you'll see the five 2800 02:03:23.600 --> 02:03:25.800 dollars tier does get you in, and then we'll have 2801 02:03:25.880 --> 02:03:27.479 a live which is for the third die all the 2802 02:03:27.479 --> 02:03:30.119 way Open tier, and we will be doing a live 2803 02:03:30.359 --> 02:03:32.399 probably I think I said it once a week. I'll 2804 02:03:32.399 --> 02:03:34.560 have to look back, but once a week or a 2805 02:03:34.640 --> 02:03:36.279 couple times a month where we come on and we 2806 02:03:36.319 --> 02:03:37.920 discuss the actual chapters. 2807 02:03:37.600 --> 02:03:38.159 That we're doing. 2808 02:03:38.439 --> 02:03:40.880 And so we're going to do a wide range of books. 2809 02:03:40.880 --> 02:03:43.319 It's not just going to be solely one thing. It's 2810 02:03:43.359 --> 02:03:47.039 pretty much everything in between that is associated with conspiracies. 2811 02:03:47.439 --> 02:03:49.680 So yeah, come and join us. We're gonna have a 2812 02:03:49.680 --> 02:03:51.560 good time doing this. So we're gonna do twelve books 2813 02:03:51.560 --> 02:03:53.720 in a year. We also are going to be doing 2814 02:03:53.840 --> 02:03:57.720 a stamp. I'm currently getting the packages together right now, 2815 02:03:57.960 --> 02:04:01.760 and so we're gonna be doing stickers for every month. 2816 02:04:01.800 --> 02:04:03.800 We'll have stickers, and we're gonna be doing a special 2817 02:04:03.800 --> 02:04:07.119 sticker as well, and we'll have a special sticker just for. 2818 02:04:07.079 --> 02:04:09.119 The book club so you can collect all twelve. 2819 02:04:09.439 --> 02:04:11.520 I love it, and like Raven just said, if you 2820 02:04:11.520 --> 02:04:13.159 want to join for that third Eye, all the way 2821 02:04:13.199 --> 02:04:14.880 open to you. Not only we get to do the 2822 02:04:15.199 --> 02:04:17.199 amazing things of the book club, but you'll get to 2823 02:04:17.239 --> 02:04:19.720 join us every Tuesday night for our cult Member Live. 2824 02:04:19.880 --> 02:04:20.880 It is a fun time. 2825 02:04:21.000 --> 02:04:24.399 It is a little community that has spawned in and 2826 02:04:24.439 --> 02:04:26.840 of itself. Come join the Spirit Animal and all of 2827 02:04:26.840 --> 02:04:29.039 our resident correspondence for all the things and the stuff 2828 02:04:29.039 --> 02:04:31.760 every Tuesday night at nine pm Central. But with all 2829 02:04:31.800 --> 02:04:33.479 of that plug being said, if you would like to 2830 02:04:33.479 --> 02:04:34.960 get your start in the buying and selling and trading 2831 02:04:35.000 --> 02:04:36.840 of gold and silver, boy and then go to link of. 2832 02:04:36.840 --> 02:04:38.479 The description to coocsilver dot com. 2833 02:04:38.520 --> 02:04:40.359 When you fill out your information, our homeboy Wayne Clark 2834 02:04:40.399 --> 02:04:41.479 will be the one to reach out to you and 2835 02:04:41.479 --> 02:04:44.279 get you squared away. Listen, talk to your financial advisor, 2836 02:04:44.319 --> 02:04:47.039 talk to your CPA, whoever's handling your retirement, ask them 2837 02:04:47.039 --> 02:04:49.239 what they think about investing in precious medals. I promise 2838 02:04:49.279 --> 02:04:50.560 you they're going to tell you at least a portion 2839 02:04:50.640 --> 02:04:53.600 of your retirement portfolio needs to be invested in precious medals. 2840 02:04:53.760 --> 02:04:57.399 Best place to get your start is coecsilver dot com. But, 2841 02:04:57.600 --> 02:05:00.319 like Josh Monday said, another way she could what the 2842 02:05:00.319 --> 02:05:03.479 show would be too. Please hit the five stars, hit 2843 02:05:03.520 --> 02:05:05.119 the shares of like suscribes comments and we'll post a 2844 02:05:05.159 --> 02:05:06.880 review of shares, hit difference of family shares if we're 2845 02:05:06.880 --> 02:05:09.199 Here's the deal. The more activity the algorithm sy across 2846 02:05:09.239 --> 02:05:11.279 all of our listening platforms, the more we get promoted 2847 02:05:11.319 --> 02:05:13.800 more potential listeners who could have become potential cult members 2848 02:05:13.800 --> 02:05:15.560 like christ You fine ladies and gentlemen, why are you 2849 02:05:15.560 --> 02:05:17.479 ready to go check out Animistics Jonathan Show and give 2850 02:05:17.520 --> 02:05:18.800 them the same lover respect over there with the five 2851 02:05:18.800 --> 02:05:20.359 star reviews and the positivity in the comments. 2852 02:05:20.520 --> 02:05:22.279 Go check out Christian Conspiracy Woul. 2853 02:05:22.159 --> 02:05:24.039 Josh Monday, give him the same lover respect of their 2854 02:05:24.239 --> 02:05:24.920 five stars. 2855 02:05:25.079 --> 02:05:27.880 All the positive reviews boost these algorithms people, and we 2856 02:05:28.000 --> 02:05:29.560 think of everybody's already gone and done so. 2857 02:05:30.000 --> 02:05:32.039 And with all of that being said, this was another 2858 02:05:32.039 --> 02:05:35.680 beautiful episode of the Cult of Conspiracy. And I'm the 2859 02:05:35.680 --> 02:05:38.520 Cage tonight and Ravenle and there's one very important, streaming, 2860 02:05:38.640 --> 02:05:40.840 vital piece of information. Meetings you learned just as soon 2861 02:05:40.960 --> 02:05:42.199 as humanly possible. 2862 02:06:17.279 --> 02:06:18.199 Nor pay your bla