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<v Speaker 1>Oh, be the.

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<v Speaker 2>Trigger Warren.

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<v Speaker 3>This podcast may include explicit content that will take you

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<v Speaker 3>out of your comfort zone and make you question reality.

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<v Speaker 4>Listener's discretion is advised.

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<v Speaker 2>Hello, and welcome back to the show. This is Blood

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<v Speaker 2>Ties Part two and it's Julia and Colby again and

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<v Speaker 2>I'm so excited for this one. In the last episode

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<v Speaker 2>we covered a lot of ground. We talked about Charles

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<v Speaker 2>manson Zodiac. What else did we talk about?

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<v Speaker 4>The all scene I guiding everything together?

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<v Speaker 2>And so we're going to kind of pick up where

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<v Speaker 2>we left off in the last episode and then add

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<v Speaker 2>a few new characters to the list. I'm not going

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<v Speaker 2>to reveal who they are yet, but I'm excited.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm excited too. I have no quaking idea what we're

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<v Speaker 4>going to be talking about tonight.

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<v Speaker 2>You're just down for the ride, right yep? Okay, Well,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna start us off with a quote as usual,

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<v Speaker 2>and this one is from George Esterbrooks in hip Nati,

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<v Speaker 2>which is a really great book. Quote. We locate a

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<v Speaker 2>number of good hypnotic subjects among the criminal class. We

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<v Speaker 2>then isolate and train these subjects. If allowed a freehand,

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<v Speaker 2>the authorities could proceed to plant such prepared subjects from

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<v Speaker 2>the criminal class where it would do the most good

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<v Speaker 2>end quote. So it was kind of like we were

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<v Speaker 2>saying with Charles Manson that they look for people who

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<v Speaker 2>are usually in insane asylums, jails, or like boys town,

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<v Speaker 2>where their parents have just like forgotten them and just

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<v Speaker 2>left them there. Actually, Marilyn Monroe, they found her in

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<v Speaker 2>a similar place. And if you have nobody that cares

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<v Speaker 2>about you and doesn't care what happens to you, those

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<v Speaker 2>are the best subjects because they can just take you

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<v Speaker 2>and do whatever they want to you.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, I find it interesting that this Esterbooks fellow, who

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<v Speaker 4>I don't know who he is, he implied that they

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<v Speaker 4>were put in society to.

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<v Speaker 2>Do the most good, where it would do the most good,

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<v Speaker 2>as in, like I take it to be like they're good,

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<v Speaker 2>like the most useful, the most useful, like they could

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<v Speaker 2>make the most use out of them. Kind of that's

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<v Speaker 2>how I took it. But I mean, fuck all of

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<v Speaker 2>them really, because there was running game on everybody, so

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<v Speaker 2>kind of picking up where we left off in the

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<v Speaker 2>last episode. Remarkably enough, the crimes collectively attributed to the

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<v Speaker 2>men in the last episode did not even account for

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<v Speaker 2>all the ritualized Thomas side that occurred in the Bay

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<v Speaker 2>Area during that time. For example, the murder of Fred Bennett,

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<v Speaker 2>who was the captain of the Oakland chapter of the

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<v Speaker 2>Black Panthers, whose mutilated remains were found scattered in the

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<v Speaker 2>Santa Cruz Hills and it was never solved. And many

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<v Speaker 2>of the young students who were reported missing from local

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<v Speaker 2>campuses were never found either dead or alive, and were

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<v Speaker 2>therefore never listed as homicide victims conveniently. What do you

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<v Speaker 2>think about that?

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<v Speaker 4>Just based on what we talked about in our last episode,

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<v Speaker 4>it seems like the Santa Cruz Hills was quite the

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<v Speaker 4>place back in this what early seventies, people are just

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<v Speaker 4>turning up either ritualistically torn apart or never turned up

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<v Speaker 4>at all.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, while these kids go missing from local campuses and

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<v Speaker 2>they're never found either dead or alive, but conveniently they

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<v Speaker 2>can't be listed as homicide victims because they never found

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<v Speaker 2>the bodies.

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<v Speaker 4>And who's to say that they weren't found and it

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<v Speaker 4>was just so gruesome and horrific they just kind of

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<v Speaker 4>didn't publicize it, or you shoved it under and put

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<v Speaker 4>it in Pile thirteen.

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<v Speaker 2>It's actually crazy you say that because I have an

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<v Speaker 2>example of just what you're talking about. So on October twelfth,

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen seventy four, the birthday of Alistair Crowley, student Arles

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<v Speaker 2>Perry was brutally murdered and left on display in the

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<v Speaker 2>Stanford Memorial Church on the campus of Stanford University, nestled

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<v Speaker 2>in the shadows of the Santa Cruz Mountains. Now get

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<v Speaker 2>this shit. Perry was left laying on her back with

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<v Speaker 2>her head toward the altar and her legs spread wide open.

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<v Speaker 2>She was nude from the waist down, and an altar

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<v Speaker 2>candle was shoved into her vagina. Another altar candle was

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<v Speaker 2>wedged between her tits that were hanging out on display.

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<v Speaker 2>Her genes had been neatly arranged in an inverted V

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<v Speaker 2>shape and placed across her open legs, forming the Masonic

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<v Speaker 2>symbol of the compass and the square. But what's interesting

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<v Speaker 2>is five years earlier, that very same symbol had been

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<v Speaker 2>left carved into the stomach of who Manson Victim Lino

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<v Speaker 2>LaBianca as the W in the word war. Just saying

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of fucking, ritualistic, fucking murders that are popping

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<v Speaker 2>up in this time. Five years earlier, LaBianca with the

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<v Speaker 2>w and then we have Arlest Perry, which I had

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<v Speaker 2>never heard about before. They didn't, like you would think

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<v Speaker 2>out of all of the sensationalized crime scenes like all

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<v Speaker 2>like they always like to like show bashed in heads

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<v Speaker 2>and fucking sharing Tate with their pregnant bell and shit,

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<v Speaker 2>had you ever heard of that?

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<v Speaker 5>No?

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<v Speaker 4>And the symbology of it's even weirder. It's like low

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<v Speaker 4>hanging fruit for the you know, the sensationalization that the

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<v Speaker 4>media is so fond of when it comes to this

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<v Speaker 4>kind of stuff. So you would thought that in nineteen

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<v Speaker 4>seventy four, only five years after the Manson killings, you

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<v Speaker 4>get something like this.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, you know, you're you're not exactly I'm a Christian,

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<v Speaker 2>not saying I if you're not a Christian like I'm

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<v Speaker 2>judging you or anything, But I tend to think a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of this stuff is ritualistic and satanic in nature.

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<v Speaker 2>And you probably disagree with that, But I mean, what

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<v Speaker 2>do you think. Do you think that they do this

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<v Speaker 2>just to put on a fucking show or do you

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<v Speaker 2>think that there's something like actually ritualistic about it?

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<v Speaker 4>Well, yeah, regardless of what I believe, these people certainly

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<v Speaker 4>seem to believe in something that if you want to

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<v Speaker 4>attribute it to the Satanic elements in the Bible, that's fine.

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<v Speaker 4>I think these people learn into a whole other thing,

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<v Speaker 4>and trying to see it through the eyes of Christianity

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<v Speaker 4>is one way to look at it. I don't tend to.

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<v Speaker 2>So what do you think, What do you think? Do

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<v Speaker 2>you think they get something out of it? Like they

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<v Speaker 2>do this and they have this candle shoved into her

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<v Speaker 2>puss and they fucking have her tits hanging out and

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<v Speaker 2>do all this like this is a ritual or they

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<v Speaker 2>just do this to like throw people off the scent

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<v Speaker 2>that it's something else.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh, I think it could be a bit of both.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean we've talked and you have on some earlier

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<v Speaker 4>episodes in the earlier series that the show True Detective

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<v Speaker 4>was a really good example of like an organized thing

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<v Speaker 4>and then a little bit of blowback when one of

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<v Speaker 4>the people who was partaking in the initial rituals just

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<v Speaker 4>kind of went off and started doing his own thing,

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<v Speaker 4>and you know, they thought they had caught the killer,

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<v Speaker 4>and then years later it starts resurfacing. Who knows, I mean,

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<v Speaker 4>this could be people like Michael Lochino. It could be,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, more of the tortured souls who went over

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<v Speaker 4>and were just set loose in Vietnam. Or it could

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<v Speaker 4>have been just a whole other you know, set up

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<v Speaker 4>for theater, But it doesn't seem to be that way

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<v Speaker 4>because it wasn't covered in such a way. So but

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<v Speaker 4>do I think there's satanic elements to it? I mean,

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<v Speaker 4>if that's the bigger question, I would say yes. And

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<v Speaker 4>just because I don't believe in certain things doesn't mean

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<v Speaker 4>that I can't see it through the way these people

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<v Speaker 4>who are doing it do, and they certainly seem to

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<v Speaker 4>believe in something.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, do you think that they're getting results? Like obviously

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<v Speaker 2>that they wouldn't keep doing it if they weren't, Like, so.

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<v Speaker 4>What are you asking me if like they get more

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<v Speaker 4>power from some dark underlord when they kill in this way? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>I don't know. I mean I feel like.

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<v Speaker 2>Like, why would they keep doing it if like they

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<v Speaker 2>weren't getting something out.

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<v Speaker 4>Of it, you think, I mean, if they're not getting

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<v Speaker 4>anything else, they could be getting clout in the club

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<v Speaker 4>they belong to. They could be That's a good point.

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<v Speaker 4>But yeah, do I think that the fucking sky's part

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<v Speaker 4>and lightning bolts come down and there's a dark voice saying, oh,

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<v Speaker 4>you're more powerful now killed for me. No, I don't

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<v Speaker 4>think of it like that.

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<v Speaker 2>So it could be like a clout chasing though, well

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<v Speaker 2>I think that, Like, look at this one I did,

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<v Speaker 2>and I fucking had her tits hanging out and a

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<v Speaker 2>fucking pussy.

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<v Speaker 4>Why not. I mean, look what I did with their jeans.

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<v Speaker 4>I put them in this shape. If you're trying to

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<v Speaker 4>climb like an art form to them. Yeah, if you're

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<v Speaker 4>trying to climb the ranks you want to impress your

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<v Speaker 4>bosses or you know, maybe it was given as an

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<v Speaker 4>order from on high, would in whatever societies or clubs

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<v Speaker 4>these people belong to. That, Yeah, this is an initiation.

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<v Speaker 4>If you want to climb higher, you have to do

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<v Speaker 4>such and such. I mean they've said as much in

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<v Speaker 4>the official narrative of like the family, the Manson family.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, the reason I bring that up is because with

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<v Speaker 2>the Labyanca and like they carved this w it was

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<v Speaker 2>with like with a fork or something, and they did

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<v Speaker 2>all this like hoopla. I think, like with the Lobbyanca

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<v Speaker 2>and with Tate, they did things to throw people off,

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<v Speaker 2>and like the helter Skelter and like death to the

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<v Speaker 2>Pigs or whatever they wrote in blood and like.

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<v Speaker 4>Well helter Skelter was a figment of the Buglios, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>race worthing.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but so they left like these elements, well, like.

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<v Speaker 4>The word pigs yeah and all that. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, so this could potentially be theater.

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<v Speaker 4>What we see, like this looks a lot like the

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<v Speaker 4>stuff that was going on with Manson. Yeah, sure, I

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<v Speaker 4>mean they're saying they're saying it's very.

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<v Speaker 2>Means and esque.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, the La Bianca killings. You know, I don't know.

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<v Speaker 4>We could go back into what was said in the

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<v Speaker 4>last episode about how these things kind of happened in

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<v Speaker 4>tandem and then they're reproduced a few years later. Yet

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<v Speaker 4>the people obviously are incarcerated who did the Manson killings

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<v Speaker 4>at this point as far as everybody's concerned. But who's

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<v Speaker 4>still giving the order or is it copycast shit?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh that's that could be. That could be a really

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<v Speaker 2>good point.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, it could be either I'm not willing to

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<v Speaker 4>marry myself to either.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, let me let me tell you a little something

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<v Speaker 2>about this and then we'll kind of move on. But

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<v Speaker 2>the prime suspect actually in the still unsolved murder of

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<v Speaker 2>Perry is a man named Bill Mintzer, who knew Charles

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<v Speaker 2>Manson and at least one of his victims, Abigail Folger.

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<v Speaker 2>In fact, Minzer reportedly had lunch with Folger just a

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<v Speaker 2>few days before her death. But it doesn't stop there.

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<v Speaker 2>He was later connected to David Son of Sam Berkowitz

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<v Speaker 2>as well, and would later be convicted of the Cotton

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<v Speaker 2>Club murder of aspiring film producer Roy Radden. So essentially

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<v Speaker 2>they're saying the prime suspect was someone who not only

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<v Speaker 2>knew Manson, but knew Abigail Folger and knew David Berkowitz

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<v Speaker 2>and ended up murdering this fucking film producer guy. So

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<v Speaker 2>that's probably why they draw connections between the Labyanka and

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<v Speaker 2>this one, because it's, like you said, it's like a

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<v Speaker 6>There were signs of a struggle in the main house

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<v Speaker 2>Whether a television set going or radio rowing.

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<v Speaker 6>Or no, there's no TV going, the radio is not

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<v Speaker 6>going to lights were on. One suspect was arrested in

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<v Speaker 3>Into custody by officers was the homes nineteen year old caretaker,

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<v Speaker 3>William Garretson. He was arrested on suspicion of murder. When

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<v Speaker 3>The bodies had been dead about twelve hours. They were

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<v Speaker 3>discovered this morning by a maid who ran screaming to neighbors.

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<v Speaker 3>One officer summed up the murders when he said, in

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<v Speaker 3>all my years, I have never seen anything like this before.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, and it's just interesting that this guy was eating

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<v Speaker 4>lunch with Abigail Fullger. It's something that I think maybe

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<v Speaker 4>it was when I was reading Chaos. It kind of

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<v Speaker 4>just occurred to me that all of these people could

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<v Speaker 4>Roman Polanski, the people that were there that night, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>JC brings in it. What if they all were a

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<v Speaker 4>part of this club, and if the murders really did happen,

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<v Speaker 4>which I'm not entirely sure of, but if they did,

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<v Speaker 4>what if it was like this group of people did

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<v Speaker 4>deliberate in a kind of a fuck you manner, and

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<v Speaker 4>this was a message to everybody else, because if Manson

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<v Speaker 4>it never did really make sense that the theory that

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<v Speaker 4>Manson had been burned by the music producer Terry Melcher,

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<v Speaker 4>who lived in that house years previous. Then he still

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<v Speaker 4>knew that it wasn't him that was there. But for

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<v Speaker 4>some reason, this group of people, they were just casualties

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<v Speaker 4>of some sick fuck, which never did really make sense.

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<v Speaker 4>You don't just attack your random when you're making a

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<v Speaker 4>big spectacle of it. So it always did seem like

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<v Speaker 4>they could have just.

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<v Speaker 2>Been it if that's what you were trying to do.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like, oh, I got slided by this music producer

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm gonna fu show him. Wouldn't you fucking make

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<v Speaker 2>sure where the motherfucker lived first before you like send

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<v Speaker 2>your family members quote unquote out to do this shit,

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<v Speaker 2>Like you might check to make sure you got the

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<v Speaker 4>He had and he knew that Terry wasn't there anymore.

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<v Speaker 2>So what was the point of it?

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<v Speaker 4>Well we all know.

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<v Speaker 2>Is what it does.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, if you've done enough research into Roman Polanski, you

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<v Speaker 4>know that he was involved with some dark people and

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<v Speaker 4>some dark shit, and it makes more sense to me

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<v Speaker 4>that those people were the targets. It wasn't just like, oh,

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<v Speaker 4>Terry used to live here, and Charlie Manson was just like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>go to that house where the guy I'm mad at

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<v Speaker 4>used to live and just kill whoever's in there.

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<v Speaker 2>Put that out.

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<v Speaker 4>They all partied together, Yeah, all these yeah, were on

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<v Speaker 4>each other's peripheries. So yeah, the whole like it was

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<v Speaker 4>just incidental. That's a narrative that they've tried to push

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<v Speaker 4>time and time again.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, no way. And so a few years after Perry's murder,

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<v Speaker 2>a new rash of serial killings began in nearby Sacramento, California.

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<v Speaker 2>These were ultimately attributed to a man named Richard Chase,

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<v Speaker 2>also known as the Vampire of Sacramento and the Draculate Killer.

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<v Speaker 2>But what's crazy is killers like Chase, Manson, kemper Mullen,

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<v Speaker 2>the Zodiac, Frasier, and Baker that we talked about in

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<v Speaker 2>the last episode harolded the dawn of a new era

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<v Speaker 2>that soon had established serial killers as an ever present

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<v Speaker 2>part of the American landscape. Before nineteen sixty, fewer than

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<v Speaker 2>two serial killers a year were reported nationwide. By nineteen seventy,

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<v Speaker 2>the number had climbed to six per year by nineteen

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<v Speaker 2>eighty to nearly twenty three per year. By nineteen ninety,

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<v Speaker 2>nearly three dozen serial killers a year were being reported

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<v Speaker 2>across the country. The nineteen sixties were responsible for not

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<v Speaker 2>only ushering in the beginnings of the counterculture hippie movement,

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<v Speaker 2>but also the dawning of the serial killer. What do

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<v Speaker 2>you think about that?

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<v Speaker 4>About which part like how it kind of just was

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<v Speaker 4>spawned in that era and then just kind of grew expendable.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, it's skyrocketed after that, like nineteen seventy six per year,

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen eighty nearly twenty per year, nineteen ninety three dozen

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<v Speaker 2>serial killers a year.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, I saw some figure on a random Twitter post

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<v Speaker 4>a while back, and it was claiming that there was

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<v Speaker 4>over God, I want to say, they said there was

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<v Speaker 4>over one hundred active serial killers right now in this country,

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<v Speaker 4>which I don't know. I had a a young guy

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<v Speaker 4>working for me he was like twenty two years old,

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<v Speaker 4>and his mother had dated a serial killer that is

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<v Speaker 4>incarcerated to this day, and he was killing when he

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<v Speaker 4>was with her. Oh, and she said, well, she narrowly escaped.

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<v Speaker 4>He ended up like she ended up breaking up with

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<v Speaker 4>him and getting rid of him, and then she kind

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<v Speaker 4>of just stopped thinking about him. And then a few

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<v Speaker 4>years later he was arrested and she knew it was

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<v Speaker 4>him and was like, holy fuck, I dated that guy.

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<v Speaker 2>He was murdering bitches.

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<v Speaker 4>He was like the I five bandit or some weird

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<v Speaker 4>shit like that. Sounds like the Home Alone movie you're watching.

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<v Speaker 5>Northern crimes.

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<v Speaker 8>The Pacific Northwest Highways are often shrouded in fog, missed

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<v Speaker 8>rolls in from the ocean, casting an eerie silence over

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<v Speaker 8>these long and winding roads. And on a cold January

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<v Speaker 8>night in nineteen eighty one, the quiet town of Kaiser,

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<v Speaker 8>Organ was plunged into darkness by a shocking and brutal crime.

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<v Speaker 8>Inside a dimly lit office building, two young women working

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<v Speaker 8>the night shift as cleaners were unaware of their lives

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<v Speaker 8>were about to change irrevocably. Little did they know a

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<v Speaker 8>man had slipped into the building with deadly intent. Within

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<v Speaker 8>moments he attacked. One woman wouldn't survive, but the other

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<v Speaker 8>would live to tell a tale that would bring fear

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<v Speaker 8>to everyone along the West coast, busiest and most notorious highway.

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<v Speaker 8>This is the true story of the I five murders.

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<v Speaker 8>And this is Northern Crimes.

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<v Speaker 2>My god. And she didn't get creep, which is why

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<v Speaker 2>she broke up.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I mean she was with him for like a

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<v Speaker 4>few months, maybe up to like half a year, and

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<v Speaker 4>then you know, kicked him to the curb. A few

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<v Speaker 4>years later, he ends up on Channel five news.

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<v Speaker 2>That's fucking crazy. Yeah, in Oregon.

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<v Speaker 4>And I had never it was all up and down

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<v Speaker 4>the corridor, the I five from Washington State down to California,

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<v Speaker 4>and he had killed in like Oregon. Yeah, he'd killed

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<v Speaker 4>all along the coast.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so let me ask you something.

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<v Speaker 4>And they were all women too, like, so she could have.

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<v Speaker 2>Been like could have been a victim for sure potentially.

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<v Speaker 2>But so let me ask you something. You remember how

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<v Speaker 2>I told you, Like I used to watch true crime

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<v Speaker 2>stuff with my mom when I was a kid, and

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<v Speaker 2>it kind of traumatized me, thinking like I could get

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<v Speaker 2>murdered at any time, Like, and then I do series

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<v Speaker 2>like this, and I tell everybody like serial killers are

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<v Speaker 2>mostly CIA and it's all fucking staged and it's all like,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, puppeteering and shit like that. But then I

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<v Speaker 2>a story like that and then like somebody saying there's

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<v Speaker 2>over one hundred active serial killers right now just in

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<v Speaker 2>the US or yeah, and that's you.

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<v Speaker 4>Know, I don't even remember how high the number was.

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<v Speaker 4>I just remember thinking it was extremely high.

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<v Speaker 2>But like your friend's mom, like, they're so, could there

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<v Speaker 2>be like a fucking like half of this shit is

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<v Speaker 2>stage and half this shit is like actual insane motherfucker's

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<v Speaker 2>actually murdering bitches up and down the coast.

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<v Speaker 4>To get back to your original question to me, they

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<v Speaker 4>started something in the nineteen sixties, apparently sometimes intentional and

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<v Speaker 4>very likely at other times it was just like the

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<v Speaker 4>shit we talked about being like uncontrollable blowback from the

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<v Speaker 4>Phoenix program and other such things. So if you started

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<v Speaker 4>something and you start a social contagion and you start

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<v Speaker 4>m kale through programming to the masses on other levels

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<v Speaker 4>such as video games, I think we all know about

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<v Speaker 4>those things. And then so you see, like by the

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<v Speaker 4>year in nineteen seventy, it's half a dozen a year,

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<v Speaker 4>and then ten years later it's increased to twenty a year.

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<v Speaker 4>It's just like you tipped over a domino in California

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<v Speaker 4>in the sixties, and whatever plans you had implemented to

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<v Speaker 4>like start this phenomena, they would take off in their

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<v Speaker 4>own way. And also when you're just messing with kids,

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<v Speaker 4>like on these other things you've talked about, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>hundreds of them at a time are getting traumatized, So

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<v Speaker 4>you're creating all sorts of shit you don't even know, like.

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<v Speaker 2>How sing them.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, You're you're abusing them from a very young age,

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<v Speaker 4>which is what you want to do when it's an

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<v Speaker 4>isolated event, is get a kid, traumatize it as early

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<v Speaker 4>as in the womb or their number seems to be

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<v Speaker 4>like as long as you can get to them by

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<v Speaker 4>the age of three, they're in your hands. So when

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<v Speaker 4>you're taking all these preschool aged kids who are still

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<v Speaker 4>in that you know, mental capacity of a young toddler,

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<v Speaker 4>then then you're sexually abusing them, and you're making them

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<v Speaker 4>do rituals, you're making them watch snuff films. You are

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<v Speaker 4>setting the stage for whatever the fuck's gonna happen after

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<v Speaker 4>those kids get out on their own. For every fucking

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<v Speaker 4>parent who notices the kid was getting abused and was

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<v Speaker 4>put through the ringer of the system, you have probably

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<v Speaker 4>hundreds that didn't and what happened to them that could

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<v Speaker 4>be what we're seeing here.

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<v Speaker 2>That is a fucking really good point because it's like

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<v Speaker 2>we watched is it called The Doors?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, the Oliverstone movie.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, yeah, so you have me watch it. It's great.

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00:26:47.480 --> 00:26:53.039
<v Speaker 2>Fucking Val Kilmer looks just like fucking Jim Morrison and

424
00:26:53.079 --> 00:26:55.480
<v Speaker 2>it's a great movie if no one out there has

425
00:26:55.519 --> 00:26:59.799
<v Speaker 2>seen it yet. But I told you, if I could

426
00:27:00.079 --> 00:27:03.440
<v Speaker 2>live in any era, I would want to go back

427
00:27:04.039 --> 00:27:09.599
<v Speaker 2>and live live that life like in the sixties, and

428
00:27:09.640 --> 00:27:13.000
<v Speaker 2>you said you would too. But as I was watching

429
00:27:13.039 --> 00:27:17.279
<v Speaker 2>that movie, I was thinking, like, how many people left

430
00:27:17.480 --> 00:27:22.839
<v Speaker 2>the Doors concert and became Zodiac victims Manson victims, like

431
00:27:22.920 --> 00:27:24.559
<v Speaker 2>you know, the Laurel King bodygunt.

432
00:27:24.680 --> 00:27:27.799
<v Speaker 4>The story is that the FBI actually pulled Jim Morrison

433
00:27:27.880 --> 00:27:32.400
<v Speaker 4>in after the Manson are killing started happening, because the

434
00:27:32.559 --> 00:27:34.599
<v Speaker 4>fuck up. I mean, yeah, we all know that Jim

435
00:27:34.640 --> 00:27:37.119
<v Speaker 4>Morrison was just an actor playing this guy. But the

436
00:27:37.160 --> 00:27:41.599
<v Speaker 4>official story in numerous accounts that I've went through they

437
00:27:41.720 --> 00:27:45.960
<v Speaker 4>say that he was at least suspected of being connected

438
00:27:45.960 --> 00:27:46.680
<v Speaker 4>to it somehow.

439
00:27:46.880 --> 00:27:51.160
<v Speaker 2>Wow, and he's his dad in this fucking Tonkin and

440
00:27:51.200 --> 00:27:54.440
<v Speaker 2>all that shit. Wouldn't surprise me that he could be

441
00:27:54.759 --> 00:27:56.079
<v Speaker 2>a secret serial killer.

442
00:27:56.720 --> 00:27:58.440
<v Speaker 4>He could have been doing a number of things. I

443
00:27:58.480 --> 00:28:01.519
<v Speaker 4>think his role was to just be the guy that

444
00:28:01.599 --> 00:28:03.720
<v Speaker 4>went out there to spit in the face of culture,

445
00:28:03.720 --> 00:28:06.200
<v Speaker 4>and he realized that he was just up there on stage,

446
00:28:07.039 --> 00:28:09.680
<v Speaker 4>you know, prostolytizing to a bunch of fucking people that

447
00:28:09.759 --> 00:28:13.000
<v Speaker 4>were just slaves, as he put it. And I do

448
00:28:13.079 --> 00:28:16.839
<v Speaker 4>think that the actor Jim Morrison playing the role of

449
00:28:16.880 --> 00:28:20.440
<v Speaker 4>the Lizard King really did become jaded with that role

450
00:28:20.839 --> 00:28:22.480
<v Speaker 4>and he probably begged to get out of it.

451
00:28:22.799 --> 00:28:26.759
<v Speaker 2>They faked his death or yeah, no, even watching that movie,

452
00:28:26.839 --> 00:28:30.119
<v Speaker 2>I think he's still alive or maybe he's died since.

453
00:28:30.160 --> 00:28:33.319
<v Speaker 2>But he didn't die when they said he died. But like,

454
00:28:33.359 --> 00:28:36.799
<v Speaker 2>would you still, knowing everything you know and like me

455
00:28:36.920 --> 00:28:39.880
<v Speaker 2>covering this stuff and like us doing this show together,

456
00:28:39.920 --> 00:28:41.799
<v Speaker 2>would you still choose to go back and live in

457
00:28:41.839 --> 00:28:42.480
<v Speaker 2>the sixties?

458
00:28:42.680 --> 00:28:46.119
<v Speaker 4>Well, you asked me this question a while ago on

459
00:28:46.759 --> 00:28:48.680
<v Speaker 4>a Cosmic Peach episode.

460
00:28:49.039 --> 00:28:49.960
<v Speaker 2>What episode was it?

461
00:28:50.000 --> 00:28:52.400
<v Speaker 4>I don't even hurt and Courtney. He could have been

462
00:28:52.400 --> 00:28:55.440
<v Speaker 4>the Courtney loved one. But you asked or I think

463
00:28:55.480 --> 00:28:57.000
<v Speaker 4>I just said. You know a lot of people say

464
00:28:57.000 --> 00:29:00.519
<v Speaker 4>if they had their time machine, fan see where they

465
00:29:00.519 --> 00:29:01.960
<v Speaker 4>would go back to. And you know, I said, I

466
00:29:01.960 --> 00:29:04.720
<v Speaker 4>wouldn't go watch the Pyramids be built. I would go

467
00:29:04.799 --> 00:29:09.119
<v Speaker 4>watch the chaos ensuing in southern California in the sixties,

468
00:29:09.799 --> 00:29:12.519
<v Speaker 4>and maybe even like, you know, just be able to

469
00:29:12.559 --> 00:29:15.279
<v Speaker 4>jet back and forth between the Bay Area and la

470
00:29:15.480 --> 00:29:20.440
<v Speaker 4>like right in the boiling point of the Laurel Canyon's syop.

471
00:29:20.559 --> 00:29:23.720
<v Speaker 2>Like if you could go you if let's say the

472
00:29:23.759 --> 00:29:26.359
<v Speaker 2>time machine, you go back, you can go anywhere you want,

473
00:29:26.480 --> 00:29:29.039
<v Speaker 2>but you have to stay there for ten years. So

474
00:29:29.119 --> 00:29:31.759
<v Speaker 2>from nineteen sixty to nineteen seventy you have to live

475
00:29:31.799 --> 00:29:33.200
<v Speaker 2>ten years in that decade.

476
00:29:33.279 --> 00:29:35.200
<v Speaker 4>I'd say sixty five to seventy five.

477
00:29:35.400 --> 00:29:37.680
<v Speaker 2>Sixty five to seventy five, you would still do it.

478
00:29:38.279 --> 00:29:40.200
<v Speaker 4>I mean, if I get a free trip.

479
00:29:41.119 --> 00:29:44.799
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, what if you end up a fucking TONIU fucking

480
00:29:45.039 --> 00:29:49.079
<v Speaker 2>murder victim, Like it doesn't scare you. All the shit

481
00:29:49.160 --> 00:29:50.079
<v Speaker 2>that they were pulling.

482
00:29:50.880 --> 00:29:56.160
<v Speaker 4>Well, the question is a hypothetical, like which era of

483
00:29:56.359 --> 00:30:01.480
<v Speaker 4>history really like excites you? And makes you want to

484
00:30:01.559 --> 00:30:03.799
<v Speaker 4>learn more. And it to me, it would be this era.

485
00:30:04.039 --> 00:30:04.880
<v Speaker 2>I mean me too.

486
00:30:05.200 --> 00:30:06.920
<v Speaker 4>I mean it's people who say they want to go

487
00:30:07.000 --> 00:30:09.200
<v Speaker 4>back and watch the pyramids be built have a way

488
00:30:09.240 --> 00:30:15.640
<v Speaker 4>fucking higher risk of being killed by ingefulum giants that

489
00:30:15.960 --> 00:30:20.480
<v Speaker 4>could get squashed by goddamn nothingness, little ginger giants.

490
00:30:20.599 --> 00:30:23.240
<v Speaker 2>So you wouldn't be interested in like seeing the twenties

491
00:30:23.359 --> 00:30:26.440
<v Speaker 2>or like no swing kids.

492
00:30:27.039 --> 00:30:29.079
<v Speaker 4>No, no, I want to say eighties. I want to

493
00:30:29.119 --> 00:30:30.960
<v Speaker 4>see where eighties were, Like you know.

494
00:30:31.680 --> 00:30:33.599
<v Speaker 2>Oh wait, honey, you were alive, weren't you.

495
00:30:33.839 --> 00:30:38.480
<v Speaker 4>Well, I was a little kid in the eighties, but yeah,

496
00:30:38.519 --> 00:30:40.039
<v Speaker 4>I don't remember, Duran, Duran.

497
00:30:42.359 --> 00:30:45.160
<v Speaker 2>I've always kind of been fascinated with the eighties just

498
00:30:45.200 --> 00:30:46.319
<v Speaker 2>because I love eighties.

499
00:30:46.359 --> 00:30:48.240
<v Speaker 4>I mean, the eighties is a cool era in its

500
00:30:48.279 --> 00:30:50.960
<v Speaker 4>own way, but it's breakfast club. It's got nothing on

501
00:30:51.000 --> 00:30:53.240
<v Speaker 4>the sixties and no seventies.

502
00:30:52.839 --> 00:30:58.279
<v Speaker 2>Not really no, but no. Okay. So the years covered

503
00:30:58.319 --> 00:31:03.000
<v Speaker 2>by the occult blood bath in Northern California nineteen sixty

504
00:31:03.039 --> 00:31:08.279
<v Speaker 2>seven through nineteen seventy three correspond precisely to the years

505
00:31:08.359 --> 00:31:12.440
<v Speaker 2>that the Phoenix program in Vietnam was in full operation,

506
00:31:13.240 --> 00:31:18.720
<v Speaker 2>although similar programs under different names existed prior to nineteen

507
00:31:18.759 --> 00:31:24.000
<v Speaker 2>sixty seven, but in September nineteen seventy three, the head

508
00:31:24.039 --> 00:31:28.839
<v Speaker 2>of the Phoenix operation, William Colby, no relation, We're actually

509
00:31:28.960 --> 00:31:35.559
<v Speaker 2>Couzin was appointed as the new director of the Central

510
00:31:35.680 --> 00:31:42.799
<v Speaker 2>Intelligence Agency and Phoenix had officially come home. Are these

511
00:31:42.920 --> 00:31:48.880
<v Speaker 2>serial killers in extension of the Phoenix program via William Colby?

512
00:31:49.119 --> 00:31:50.319
<v Speaker 4>Well, we just talked about that.

513
00:31:51.000 --> 00:31:52.839
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, But I mean I think, like.

514
00:31:53.880 --> 00:31:57.519
<v Speaker 4>See, that's the risk prior too, of us not knowing.

515
00:31:57.680 --> 00:31:59.359
<v Speaker 4>I don't know what you're going to be writing about.

516
00:31:59.400 --> 00:32:02.680
<v Speaker 4>But we talked about this extensively in the first.

517
00:32:02.519 --> 00:32:08.519
<v Speaker 2>But it said prior to nineteen sixty seven, when did

518
00:32:08.519 --> 00:32:12.880
<v Speaker 2>the Manson go down? I thought it was before seventy.

519
00:32:12.480 --> 00:32:17.839
<v Speaker 4>Three, Yeah, but in seventy three is when Colby was

520
00:32:18.359 --> 00:32:22.599
<v Speaker 4>named the director of the CIA. Sixty seven through seventy three.

521
00:32:23.200 --> 00:32:24.960
<v Speaker 2>Was the phoenis the murder years?

522
00:32:25.440 --> 00:32:25.680
<v Speaker 4>Yeah?

523
00:32:25.720 --> 00:32:28.960
<v Speaker 2>But you know, honest to god, I did not know

524
00:32:29.039 --> 00:32:32.079
<v Speaker 2>that he became the director of this yeason. Oh yeah, yeah,

525
00:32:33.359 --> 00:32:35.759
<v Speaker 2>So I thought he was like he was the director

526
00:32:35.799 --> 00:32:39.079
<v Speaker 2>at Tippity topity motherfucker in Vietnam, But I didn't know

527
00:32:39.160 --> 00:32:41.400
<v Speaker 2>he came home and became the director.

528
00:32:41.440 --> 00:32:43.559
<v Speaker 4>Now, if I don't ye, I don't know if this

529
00:32:43.680 --> 00:32:46.000
<v Speaker 4>is exactly correct. I'm just going off of memory of

530
00:32:46.039 --> 00:32:48.759
<v Speaker 4>other stuff I've looked into, But I'm pretty fucking sure

531
00:32:49.519 --> 00:32:55.359
<v Speaker 4>that the Church committee that brought forth Operation Mockingbird, MK

532
00:32:55.559 --> 00:32:59.640
<v Speaker 4>Ultra numerous other things that put it right in the limelight,

533
00:32:59.759 --> 00:33:02.039
<v Speaker 4>and it was Frank Church. I think he was a

534
00:33:02.079 --> 00:33:05.240
<v Speaker 4>fucking senator from Idaho or some shit. He was the

535
00:33:05.279 --> 00:33:08.279
<v Speaker 4>one that was putting all these guys up on the

536
00:33:08.279 --> 00:33:12.680
<v Speaker 4>fucking stand. And that's where William Colby ended up stepping down.

537
00:33:13.160 --> 00:33:15.160
<v Speaker 4>And then a few years later it's George H. W.

538
00:33:15.400 --> 00:33:18.680
<v Speaker 4>Bush in the head of CIA. But Colby was like

539
00:33:19.720 --> 00:33:26.000
<v Speaker 4>really tarnished by all of the disclosure of these what

540
00:33:26.079 --> 00:33:31.400
<v Speaker 4>we're supposed to be super super secret operations and programs,

541
00:33:32.240 --> 00:33:36.960
<v Speaker 4>and you know, he didn't resurface again in anything noteworthy

542
00:33:37.119 --> 00:33:39.200
<v Speaker 4>in my opinion. I mean, I don't know the guy's

543
00:33:39.240 --> 00:33:44.559
<v Speaker 4>life thoroughly, but when the Franklin scandal happened, because the

544
00:33:44.680 --> 00:33:47.519
<v Speaker 4>camp reached out to him to ask about, like, what

545
00:33:47.559 --> 00:33:49.119
<v Speaker 4>do I do William He.

546
00:33:49.160 --> 00:33:51.599
<v Speaker 2>Was in the Conspiracy of Silence, wasn't he?

547
00:33:52.559 --> 00:33:55.880
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, yeah, I mean I think so. He interviewed him

548
00:33:56.359 --> 00:34:00.400
<v Speaker 4>and then Colby ends up dead in a row boat

549
00:34:01.200 --> 00:34:03.960
<v Speaker 4>in a fucking lake where his fucking dinner is still

550
00:34:04.000 --> 00:34:07.279
<v Speaker 4>on the table. Then he left candles burning and shit.

551
00:34:07.799 --> 00:34:11.480
<v Speaker 3>William Colby has been missing since April twenty seventh. His

552
00:34:11.599 --> 00:34:13.880
<v Speaker 3>canoe was found washed up on the banks of the

553
00:34:13.880 --> 00:34:16.320
<v Speaker 3>Waikamako River April twenty eight.

554
00:34:19.760 --> 00:34:23.880
<v Speaker 4>My father was a soldier. He jumped out of airplanes.

555
00:34:25.280 --> 00:34:26.760
<v Speaker 4>He lived to serve.

556
00:34:28.400 --> 00:34:32.000
<v Speaker 9>People who turned to me and say, you know your dad.

557
00:34:31.880 --> 00:34:32.679
<v Speaker 7>Was a murderer.

558
00:34:33.719 --> 00:34:35.800
<v Speaker 4>My immediate reaction used to be, you don't know what

559
00:34:35.840 --> 00:34:40.320
<v Speaker 4>you're talking about. And then I'd found myself thinking was he.

560
00:34:43.360 --> 00:34:44.119
<v Speaker 7>Who was he? Really?

561
00:34:49.920 --> 00:34:54.360
<v Speaker 6>I am against assassination. I think it's counterproductive, and I

562
00:34:54.400 --> 00:34:55.920
<v Speaker 6>have issued directives against him.

563
00:34:56.079 --> 00:34:57.960
<v Speaker 5>By the time I got there in nineteen sixty nine,

564
00:34:57.960 --> 00:35:00.000
<v Speaker 5>it felt much more like an assassination from him.

565
00:35:01.039 --> 00:35:05.320
<v Speaker 10>Current investigations could uncover several assassinations of which the CIA

566
00:35:05.480 --> 00:35:06.079
<v Speaker 10>was involved.

567
00:35:06.239 --> 00:35:08.400
<v Speaker 5>Yes, there were abuses, there was no doubt about it.

568
00:35:09.360 --> 00:35:11.239
<v Speaker 7>They really got out of hand at.

569
00:35:11.119 --> 00:35:13.840
<v Speaker 10>One person to make the determination that you do not

570
00:35:13.960 --> 00:35:16.559
<v Speaker 10>trust four hundred and thirty five members, each of whom

571
00:35:16.599 --> 00:35:19.840
<v Speaker 10>won an open election in ostensibly a democratic society.

572
00:35:19.880 --> 00:35:21.000
<v Speaker 2>I would say to you, sir, you.

573
00:35:20.960 --> 00:35:22.280
<v Speaker 6>Don't have the right to play god.

574
00:35:22.480 --> 00:35:25.800
<v Speaker 11>How many files of this character you maintain on other

575
00:35:25.880 --> 00:35:26.800
<v Speaker 11>members of Congress?

576
00:35:26.880 --> 00:35:28.760
<v Speaker 7>Do you know what documents he destroyed?

577
00:35:28.920 --> 00:35:31.400
<v Speaker 6>Don't you think that's an exceedingly loose way to run

578
00:35:31.440 --> 00:35:33.840
<v Speaker 6>an agency, particularly the CIA.

579
00:35:34.360 --> 00:35:37.880
<v Speaker 12>The CIA and its director was always caught between doing

580
00:35:37.920 --> 00:35:40.920
<v Speaker 12>the wish of the president and the law, and when

581
00:35:40.920 --> 00:35:44.199
<v Speaker 12>the president said do this, do that, the law got

582
00:35:44.239 --> 00:35:44.920
<v Speaker 12>set aside.

583
00:35:45.000 --> 00:35:47.239
<v Speaker 4>Normally, he was really a tortured soul.

584
00:35:47.639 --> 00:35:51.679
<v Speaker 11>The family wasn't always let into this world of his.

585
00:35:52.239 --> 00:35:55.000
<v Speaker 4>He never had to really tell me anything.

586
00:35:55.519 --> 00:35:59.360
<v Speaker 9>My father lived in a world of secrets, always watching, listening,

587
00:36:00.079 --> 00:36:03.199
<v Speaker 9>his eye on the door. By the time I turned thirty,

588
00:36:03.880 --> 00:36:06.480
<v Speaker 9>I came to understand the man that nobody knew.

589
00:36:06.960 --> 00:36:09.760
<v Speaker 4>And I talked to this guy named Phil'szarro, who's like

590
00:36:10.320 --> 00:36:12.840
<v Speaker 4>an encyclopedia knowledge, and he was just like, yeah, this

591
00:36:12.880 --> 00:36:17.239
<v Speaker 4>guy was known for being meticulous and he ends up

592
00:36:17.760 --> 00:36:21.639
<v Speaker 4>during a rainstorm just taking an impromptu rowboat trip that

593
00:36:21.800 --> 00:36:23.320
<v Speaker 4>was so important that he just left.

594
00:36:23.119 --> 00:36:25.039
<v Speaker 2>Everything, left his dinner on the table.

595
00:36:25.119 --> 00:36:25.320
<v Speaker 7>Yeah.

596
00:36:25.320 --> 00:36:26.920
<v Speaker 4>And you know, you know, you never know when a

597
00:36:26.960 --> 00:36:30.239
<v Speaker 4>guy who was involved with such things that you can

598
00:36:30.400 --> 00:36:32.800
<v Speaker 4>just I mean, you could rattle off a million reasons

599
00:36:32.800 --> 00:36:35.400
<v Speaker 4>why William Colby might have been a problem that needed

600
00:36:35.400 --> 00:36:37.239
<v Speaker 4>to be dealt with, especially if he was starting to

601
00:36:37.280 --> 00:36:38.079
<v Speaker 4>talk to like the.

602
00:36:38.039 --> 00:36:40.400
<v Speaker 2>Camp well he must stay got frank olsend.

603
00:36:41.039 --> 00:36:44.280
<v Speaker 4>Well, it was definitely a hit, but the reasons why,

604
00:36:44.639 --> 00:36:47.280
<v Speaker 4>it's like, why DIDJFK get shot? Take your pick?

605
00:36:47.639 --> 00:36:49.760
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, it's like you don't know for sure, but

606
00:36:49.880 --> 00:36:51.159
<v Speaker 2>you know it wasn't just him.

607
00:36:51.280 --> 00:36:53.800
<v Speaker 4>Well, the timing of it seemed to be like he

608
00:36:54.039 --> 00:36:56.320
<v Speaker 4>kind of just went away and then when the Franklin

609
00:36:56.400 --> 00:37:01.679
<v Speaker 4>cover up went underway, he either helped shift the narrative

610
00:37:02.679 --> 00:37:07.039
<v Speaker 4>or he actually had a fucking conscience and thought, you know,

611
00:37:07.199 --> 00:37:12.119
<v Speaker 4>I can help bring some of this ship to an end,

612
00:37:12.679 --> 00:37:24.119
<v Speaker 4>and it brought him to an end. This is Julia's

613
00:37:24.840 --> 00:37:25.760
<v Speaker 4>idea of comedy.

614
00:37:25.800 --> 00:37:30.760
<v Speaker 2>Every buddy he deserved whatever he got.

615
00:37:31.199 --> 00:37:34.000
<v Speaker 4>Well, I didn't say he didn't, but I also sure did.

616
00:37:34.320 --> 00:37:36.320
<v Speaker 4>But why did he die? Did he die because he

617
00:37:36.360 --> 00:37:37.719
<v Speaker 4>finally starts speaking out?

618
00:37:38.000 --> 00:37:41.400
<v Speaker 2>He died because his fucking wife kept making the same

619
00:37:41.559 --> 00:37:43.119
<v Speaker 2>two Caza rolled over.

620
00:37:43.000 --> 00:37:46.360
<v Speaker 4>To He's like, you know what, fucking tunic casserole again,

621
00:37:47.840 --> 00:37:51.400
<v Speaker 4>I'm going I'm going on a rowboat journey find myself.

622
00:37:53.679 --> 00:37:56.039
<v Speaker 2>So they just found his dead body in the rowboat.

623
00:37:56.119 --> 00:37:58.280
<v Speaker 2>There was no sign of a struggle, no sign of

624
00:37:58.360 --> 00:38:01.199
<v Speaker 2>like lethal injection, stabbing, chooting.

625
00:38:02.320 --> 00:38:04.519
<v Speaker 4>You know, they got fucking guns in the CIA, and

626
00:38:04.840 --> 00:38:06.920
<v Speaker 4>just give you a heart attack. It actually held him

627
00:38:06.960 --> 00:38:10.199
<v Speaker 4>up during the goddamn Church committee, so.

628
00:38:12.440 --> 00:38:17.679
<v Speaker 2>Well, shit, fucking I think he got what was coming

629
00:38:17.719 --> 00:38:18.559
<v Speaker 2>to his ass.

630
00:38:18.639 --> 00:38:21.320
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, but it's oftentimes these guys don't die for the

631
00:38:21.320 --> 00:38:23.760
<v Speaker 4>reason they should. They die because they grew a conscience

632
00:38:23.880 --> 00:38:27.559
<v Speaker 4>like could have been what happened here, although all indicators

633
00:38:27.599 --> 00:38:31.480
<v Speaker 4>are like, yeah, he disappeared from the limelight, and then

634
00:38:31.880 --> 00:38:33.480
<v Speaker 4>David de Camp is that his name?

635
00:38:33.559 --> 00:38:34.679
<v Speaker 2>David John de Camp?

636
00:38:34.760 --> 00:38:39.320
<v Speaker 4>John DeCamp ended up bringing him back into the attention

637
00:38:39.519 --> 00:38:41.960
<v Speaker 4>of the elite. I mean, who knows? These things are

638
00:38:41.960 --> 00:38:46.159
<v Speaker 4>so layered, Like just because of the Camp and Colby,

639
00:38:46.280 --> 00:38:48.760
<v Speaker 4>I've started to question, like what we really know about

640
00:38:48.760 --> 00:38:51.840
<v Speaker 4>the Franklin cover up? Things have been uncovered, but maybe

641
00:38:51.920 --> 00:38:54.719
<v Speaker 4>much darker was fucking pushed under the rug because these

642
00:38:54.760 --> 00:38:57.079
<v Speaker 4>two were propagandists.

643
00:38:56.199 --> 00:38:59.159
<v Speaker 2>Yes they were. Do you think what we know, like

644
00:38:59.199 --> 00:39:05.920
<v Speaker 2>what I covered about the Franklin like that's all pretty accurate, right, I.

645
00:39:05.880 --> 00:39:07.840
<v Speaker 4>Mean I think that we know the tip of the

646
00:39:07.840 --> 00:39:11.719
<v Speaker 4>iceberg with Franklin because people like Hunter S. Thompson start

647
00:39:11.719 --> 00:39:14.239
<v Speaker 4>coming up when you look really into the finer print

648
00:39:14.239 --> 00:39:16.920
<v Speaker 4>and you look at a lot of Paul Bannazi's testimony,

649
00:39:17.599 --> 00:39:20.800
<v Speaker 4>which how fucking much can we take at face value

650
00:39:20.800 --> 00:39:21.840
<v Speaker 4>that comes from that guy.

651
00:39:22.400 --> 00:39:24.639
<v Speaker 2>Oh, you don't like Paul Banazi.

652
00:39:24.239 --> 00:39:26.119
<v Speaker 4>Well, I've heard you talk about him, and you point

653
00:39:26.159 --> 00:39:29.719
<v Speaker 4>out certain things like he was a recruit for other victims.

654
00:39:29.880 --> 00:39:33.599
<v Speaker 4>He was, he had a double digit number of personalities.

655
00:39:34.320 --> 00:39:39.320
<v Speaker 4>He himself went through the most gruesome things imaginable. And

656
00:39:39.360 --> 00:39:41.519
<v Speaker 4>then you get the other guy. I don't remember his name,

657
00:39:41.559 --> 00:39:42.800
<v Speaker 4>but they were the ones that I.

658
00:39:42.880 --> 00:39:44.840
<v Speaker 2>Think his name was like Tyler.

659
00:39:45.039 --> 00:39:50.400
<v Speaker 4>Maybe could something like that. Yeah, But him and Alicia,

660
00:39:50.480 --> 00:39:52.480
<v Speaker 4>the one who ended up going to prison for perjury

661
00:39:52.519 --> 00:39:54.559
<v Speaker 4>and had to like spend an extensive amount of time

662
00:39:54.559 --> 00:39:58.320
<v Speaker 4>in solitary confinement. You get people like that. The Nazi

663
00:39:58.400 --> 00:40:03.039
<v Speaker 4>was relatively untoped. The one kid lost his brother, yeah,

664
00:40:03.079 --> 00:40:03.800
<v Speaker 4>and then.

665
00:40:03.679 --> 00:40:05.320
<v Speaker 2>He was relatively untouched.

666
00:40:05.400 --> 00:40:07.800
<v Speaker 4>I mean as soon as that one kid's brother, I

667
00:40:07.840 --> 00:40:10.119
<v Speaker 4>wish we knew his name, not Paul Benazi. The other

668
00:40:10.159 --> 00:40:10.519
<v Speaker 4>guy in.

669
00:40:10.480 --> 00:40:13.480
<v Speaker 2>Conspiracy of Silence Tyler, I'm pretty sure.

670
00:40:13.719 --> 00:40:17.360
<v Speaker 4>But he had to see his own brother get killed.

671
00:40:17.519 --> 00:40:20.840
<v Speaker 4>And then knew that if he recanted his testimony again

672
00:40:20.920 --> 00:40:22.719
<v Speaker 4>that him and his mother could get killed.

673
00:40:22.800 --> 00:40:25.599
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so he had a little sister too.

674
00:40:25.760 --> 00:40:29.480
<v Speaker 4>We can't take at face value somebody like Paul the

675
00:40:29.559 --> 00:40:30.719
<v Speaker 4>Nazi's testimony.

676
00:40:31.639 --> 00:40:34.039
<v Speaker 2>In my opinion, I would like to believe some of

677
00:40:34.079 --> 00:40:35.920
<v Speaker 2>it is true, though, Oh I'm sure a lot of

678
00:40:35.920 --> 00:40:39.480
<v Speaker 2>it's true, just because you know well.

679
00:40:39.480 --> 00:40:42.400
<v Speaker 4>And you also get another spin on this, which was,

680
00:40:43.719 --> 00:40:47.199
<v Speaker 4>oh man, what's the kid the milk carton kids? So

681
00:40:47.320 --> 00:40:50.159
<v Speaker 4>you take Johnny Gosh and you take his mother, and

682
00:40:50.199 --> 00:40:52.440
<v Speaker 4>you have Paul be Nazi saying he recruited him. And

683
00:40:52.440 --> 00:40:54.920
<v Speaker 4>then you have his mother, who went fucking ape shit

684
00:40:55.039 --> 00:40:57.920
<v Speaker 4>like anybody who lost a kid, and she's saying that

685
00:40:58.480 --> 00:41:00.800
<v Speaker 4>Johnny Gosh came back when he was in his mid

686
00:41:00.840 --> 00:41:03.159
<v Speaker 4>twenties and he fucking spoke to her and he said

687
00:41:03.199 --> 00:41:04.719
<v Speaker 4>that he was hiding out.

688
00:41:05.280 --> 00:41:06.639
<v Speaker 2>That he had been recruited.

689
00:41:07.039 --> 00:41:10.280
<v Speaker 4>And I mean, I don't want to just throw out

690
00:41:10.280 --> 00:41:13.559
<v Speaker 4>what these people are saying, because they've been traumatized like

691
00:41:14.320 --> 00:41:17.559
<v Speaker 4>beyond no end in the Nazi's case and then with

692
00:41:17.679 --> 00:41:21.639
<v Speaker 4>Gosh' hiss mom. But still you have to take it

693
00:41:21.639 --> 00:41:25.079
<v Speaker 4>with the grain of salt, because if this stuff isn't

694
00:41:25.119 --> 00:41:26.440
<v Speaker 4>meant to see the light of day.

695
00:41:26.760 --> 00:41:30.320
<v Speaker 10>It won't see Oswald. It is an amazing revelation in

696
00:41:30.360 --> 00:41:33.480
<v Speaker 10>a bizarre story that all began back in nineteen eighty two.

697
00:41:33.760 --> 00:41:36.679
<v Speaker 10>That's when twelve year old paper boy Johnny Gosh disappeared.

698
00:41:37.000 --> 00:41:39.079
<v Speaker 10>He was on his paper route in Western Whine at

699
00:41:39.119 --> 00:41:41.599
<v Speaker 10>the time, and now his mother, who has never given

700
00:41:41.679 --> 00:41:44.159
<v Speaker 10>up hope, says he's alive and well and became a

701
00:41:44.239 --> 00:41:45.760
<v Speaker 10>visitor nearly two years ago.

702
00:41:46.320 --> 00:41:48.719
<v Speaker 13>Chenney, it's todd Megel talked with missus Gosh today.

703
00:41:48.760 --> 00:41:51.440
<v Speaker 1>She told him why she waited two years to speak

704
00:41:51.480 --> 00:41:52.760
<v Speaker 1>out about Johnny's visits.

705
00:41:54.360 --> 00:41:57.159
<v Speaker 5>I did see Johnny in March of nineteen ninety seven.

706
00:41:57.840 --> 00:42:00.519
<v Speaker 5>I he can hear very late at night.

707
00:42:01.199 --> 00:42:04.280
<v Speaker 1>Mareen Gosh, says her missing son, Johnny, knocked on her

708
00:42:04.320 --> 00:42:08.559
<v Speaker 1>apartment door without any warning almost two years ago. Now

709
00:42:08.599 --> 00:42:10.000
<v Speaker 1>she's ready to tell her story.

710
00:42:10.480 --> 00:42:16.840
<v Speaker 5>He's angry, he's bitter. He's full grown, but still has

711
00:42:16.880 --> 00:42:20.519
<v Speaker 5>had not the benefit of a college education, job skills,

712
00:42:20.559 --> 00:42:22.920
<v Speaker 5>any of that to get along in life with. So

713
00:42:23.360 --> 00:42:24.559
<v Speaker 5>it made me very sad.

714
00:42:24.880 --> 00:42:28.960
<v Speaker 1>But why wait two years to reveal this stunning news. Well,

715
00:42:29.000 --> 00:42:32.159
<v Speaker 1>Gosh was in Omaha on Friday, testifying in the civil

716
00:42:32.159 --> 00:42:35.320
<v Speaker 1>trial of a man named Paul Banasi. For years, he's

717
00:42:35.320 --> 00:42:38.639
<v Speaker 1>told the Gosh family he knows what happened to Johnny Gosh.

718
00:42:39.119 --> 00:42:42.480
<v Speaker 1>Now Banasi is suing an Omaha businessman who Banasi says

719
00:42:42.519 --> 00:42:45.800
<v Speaker 1>sexually assaulted him as a child. Naren Gosh was on

720
00:42:45.840 --> 00:42:49.480
<v Speaker 1>the stand confirming Banashi's story when the bombshell dropped.

721
00:42:49.800 --> 00:42:52.519
<v Speaker 5>The attorney asked me if I had had any personal

722
00:42:52.559 --> 00:42:55.400
<v Speaker 5>contact or in fact had seen or talked to my son.

723
00:42:55.920 --> 00:42:57.760
<v Speaker 5>And I was under oath, so I had to answer.

724
00:42:58.159 --> 00:43:01.000
<v Speaker 1>So, what's happened to Johnny Gosh? After all these years?

725
00:43:01.360 --> 00:43:03.679
<v Speaker 1>His mother says, he spent about an hour in her

726
00:43:03.719 --> 00:43:07.119
<v Speaker 1>home describing his life. He's twenty eight years old now.

727
00:43:07.440 --> 00:43:11.079
<v Speaker 5>He told me how he was kidnapped. At first, he

728
00:43:11.119 --> 00:43:13.119
<v Speaker 5>was so drug that he didn't know where he was at.

729
00:43:13.199 --> 00:43:16.000
<v Speaker 5>But he could then relate some of the names of

730
00:43:16.039 --> 00:43:18.400
<v Speaker 5>the people that were around him that he was able

731
00:43:18.440 --> 00:43:21.360
<v Speaker 5>to latch onto names. He told me how they traveled

732
00:43:21.360 --> 00:43:25.000
<v Speaker 5>all over the country. They were used for pornography, prostitution,

733
00:43:25.559 --> 00:43:30.199
<v Speaker 5>compromising businessmen and politicians sexually. These kids were used in

734
00:43:30.239 --> 00:43:32.599
<v Speaker 5>a royal fashion like none of us would ever dream of.

735
00:43:33.000 --> 00:43:35.840
<v Speaker 1>So what does law enforcement think well. Pole County Attorney

736
00:43:35.920 --> 00:43:39.039
<v Speaker 1>John Sarcone says, if Missus Dax believes the story, then

737
00:43:39.079 --> 00:43:42.360
<v Speaker 1>he's not about to say anything different. But Westermoin Police

738
00:43:42.400 --> 00:43:45.679
<v Speaker 1>Captain Bob Rushing tells the Associated Press that Missus Gosh

739
00:43:45.679 --> 00:43:49.480
<v Speaker 1>has told similar stories before, only to recamp them later.

740
00:43:49.800 --> 00:43:51.360
<v Speaker 5>I know that there are people in this town that

741
00:43:51.440 --> 00:43:53.239
<v Speaker 5>don't believe it. They don't want to believe it, so

742
00:43:53.280 --> 00:43:54.800
<v Speaker 5>they say nar In Gosh is nuts.

743
00:43:55.159 --> 00:43:55.760
<v Speaker 4>I don't care.

744
00:43:56.519 --> 00:44:00.000
<v Speaker 5>I simply don't care. My first responsibility is to myself

745
00:44:01.400 --> 00:44:03.119
<v Speaker 5>because I'm the only one he has left.

746
00:44:04.159 --> 00:44:08.039
<v Speaker 4>And Yeah, they had this documentary, Conspiracy of Silence that

747
00:44:08.119 --> 00:44:10.920
<v Speaker 4>De Camp made, and all of a sudden, you're hearing

748
00:44:10.960 --> 00:44:13.559
<v Speaker 4>there's this documentary floating around that was supposed to be

749
00:44:13.559 --> 00:44:15.719
<v Speaker 4>on the Discovery Channel or something. They pulled it at

750
00:44:15.719 --> 00:44:19.239
<v Speaker 4>the last minute, But then years later you can get

751
00:44:19.280 --> 00:44:25.199
<v Speaker 4>into YouTube search. So I'm just saying, the stuff that

752
00:44:25.239 --> 00:44:29.000
<v Speaker 4>we're allowed to focus on with the Franklin scandal is

753
00:44:29.159 --> 00:44:32.360
<v Speaker 4>probably just so minimal compared to the stuff we'll never know.

754
00:44:33.199 --> 00:44:38.320
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and I even think in the Conspiracy of Silence

755
00:44:38.719 --> 00:44:42.119
<v Speaker 2>it kind of even downplayed the abuse that these kids

756
00:44:42.159 --> 00:44:46.079
<v Speaker 2>were going through. It was like it almost made it

757
00:44:46.119 --> 00:44:49.760
<v Speaker 2>look like it was it was older teenager kids or

758
00:44:49.800 --> 00:44:51.719
<v Speaker 2>like you know what I mean.

759
00:44:51.800 --> 00:44:54.920
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I put a lot of emphasis on the teen

760
00:44:55.000 --> 00:44:57.639
<v Speaker 4>boys that had to go to the White House for

761
00:44:57.679 --> 00:45:00.920
<v Speaker 4>this after our parties when Reagan, but.

762
00:45:01.000 --> 00:45:06.199
<v Speaker 2>They didn't mention like Johnny Ort Johnny Gosh. Paul Banasi

763
00:45:06.280 --> 00:45:11.760
<v Speaker 2>said in his testimony that it was like little kids too,

764
00:45:12.000 --> 00:45:14.239
<v Speaker 2>And it wasn't just like this teeny.

765
00:45:14.559 --> 00:45:18.679
<v Speaker 4>They were getting boys from Boystown, which do you have

766
00:45:18.719 --> 00:45:21.719
<v Speaker 4>a lot of young kids who are orphaned for whatever

767
00:45:21.760 --> 00:45:24.679
<v Speaker 4>reason end up in places like these, So yeah, it

768
00:45:24.760 --> 00:45:26.159
<v Speaker 4>wasn't just teenage kids.

769
00:45:27.159 --> 00:45:33.000
<v Speaker 2>And also when Paul Banassi was talking about Bohemia Grove

770
00:45:33.360 --> 00:45:36.599
<v Speaker 2>and Hunter S. Thompson and they were talking about that

771
00:45:36.639 --> 00:45:39.599
<v Speaker 2>one little boy that they ran train on and then

772
00:45:39.840 --> 00:45:42.199
<v Speaker 2>had to and then ended up killing him, and like

773
00:45:42.239 --> 00:45:45.960
<v Speaker 2>that he said, and Johnny Gosh was little too, like this,

774
00:45:46.679 --> 00:45:49.519
<v Speaker 2>like even when they did this stuff about Epstein, it

775
00:45:49.559 --> 00:45:54.239
<v Speaker 2>was like teenage girls thirteen and fourteen years old. It's like, nah,

776
00:45:54.360 --> 00:45:57.760
<v Speaker 2>it wasn't just teenage girls like they always do that,

777
00:45:57.840 --> 00:46:01.599
<v Speaker 2>like it's a lesser degree of horror if they can

778
00:46:01.679 --> 00:46:04.480
<v Speaker 2>make it like it was like fourteen year olds right,

779
00:46:04.880 --> 00:46:07.119
<v Speaker 2>you know what I mean? So I don't know, they

780
00:46:07.159 --> 00:46:12.280
<v Speaker 2>always tell like half the fucking story on that shit. Anyways. Yeah,

781
00:46:12.280 --> 00:46:15.719
<v Speaker 2>But to get back to what we were talking about,

782
00:46:16.280 --> 00:46:18.480
<v Speaker 2>I did want to say another.

783
00:46:18.360 --> 00:46:20.960
<v Speaker 4>Anytime you asked me about the Franklin scandal and shit

784
00:46:21.079 --> 00:46:22.440
<v Speaker 4>like that, it's going to be a tangent.

785
00:46:22.800 --> 00:46:25.760
<v Speaker 2>Well it's a good tangent because, as I was saying,

786
00:46:26.400 --> 00:46:29.599
<v Speaker 2>like the way that they portray stuff isn't usually how

787
00:46:29.639 --> 00:46:34.159
<v Speaker 2>it actually is. And with the Manson family, they did

788
00:46:34.280 --> 00:46:38.280
<v Speaker 2>not operate as the hippie cult that they have been

789
00:46:38.360 --> 00:46:42.880
<v Speaker 2>portrayed as being. Their base of operations was more of

790
00:46:42.920 --> 00:46:47.639
<v Speaker 2>a pairamilitary compound than it was a commune, complete with

791
00:46:48.199 --> 00:46:54.840
<v Speaker 2>guard shacks at lookout points, telescopes, walkie talkies, military field telephones,

792
00:46:54.960 --> 00:46:59.760
<v Speaker 2>and doom buggies equipped with fucking machine gun mounts. So

793
00:47:00.159 --> 00:47:02.000
<v Speaker 2>wasn't like flower power.

794
00:47:02.159 --> 00:47:05.119
<v Speaker 4>Oh that was the narrative that was dying to be pushed.

795
00:47:06.280 --> 00:47:07.960
<v Speaker 4>Like even if you watch Once upon a.

796
00:47:07.920 --> 00:47:10.079
<v Speaker 2>Time, I always just gonna say that, like.

797
00:47:10.000 --> 00:47:13.920
<v Speaker 4>They don't show all this advanced military like guard posts

798
00:47:13.960 --> 00:47:16.480
<v Speaker 4>and stuff like that. But they had a system like

799
00:47:16.800 --> 00:47:21.039
<v Speaker 4>a stranger arrives, go get texts, check them out.

800
00:47:21.440 --> 00:47:21.840
<v Speaker 2>I mean.

801
00:47:23.360 --> 00:47:23.599
<v Speaker 13>Ranch.

802
00:47:23.920 --> 00:47:25.599
<v Speaker 4>There was a city, yeah, and that's where they were.

803
00:47:25.840 --> 00:47:28.920
<v Speaker 4>There was a few compounds that they had, but the

804
00:47:28.960 --> 00:47:32.639
<v Speaker 4>main base of operations were led to believe was spawn ranch.

805
00:47:33.000 --> 00:47:37.519
<v Speaker 4>And I always thought it was more militant, just in

806
00:47:37.559 --> 00:47:41.360
<v Speaker 4>my research than what the you know, main dream spin.

807
00:47:41.159 --> 00:47:43.880
<v Speaker 2>On the whole thing was, yeah, because they had flowers

808
00:47:43.880 --> 00:47:47.199
<v Speaker 2>in their hair and they had like this whole we're family.

809
00:47:47.920 --> 00:47:50.840
<v Speaker 2>We're a family, and we all have hairy pussy's and

810
00:47:51.000 --> 00:47:54.559
<v Speaker 2>fucking don't shave our pits and we fucking murder with

811
00:47:54.639 --> 00:47:57.079
<v Speaker 2>each other. And we're like, that's that's how they made

812
00:47:57.079 --> 00:47:57.840
<v Speaker 2>it look.

813
00:47:57.760 --> 00:48:02.239
<v Speaker 4>All this one, all this one, all one remember in

814
00:48:02.280 --> 00:48:07.920
<v Speaker 4>them in the yeah where well, as long as we

815
00:48:07.960 --> 00:48:11.320
<v Speaker 4>are to gather, it's that in this in the movie

816
00:48:11.360 --> 00:48:13.880
<v Speaker 4>Once upon a Time in Hollywood, they're going dumpster diving,

817
00:48:14.000 --> 00:48:17.480
<v Speaker 4>skipping down the street barefoot, singing that. That is literally

818
00:48:18.079 --> 00:48:22.159
<v Speaker 4>what those women that showed up. I think it was

819
00:48:22.199 --> 00:48:25.079
<v Speaker 4>the ones that hadn't been interested, but it could have

820
00:48:25.119 --> 00:48:27.239
<v Speaker 4>been the ones that were standing trial. But they did

821
00:48:27.320 --> 00:48:31.280
<v Speaker 4>that in the hallway going into the courtroom.

822
00:48:31.559 --> 00:48:36.039
<v Speaker 11>Charles Manson thirty six, chose a house at random, tied

823
00:48:36.119 --> 00:48:39.440
<v Speaker 11>up the family at gunpoint, then ordered his followers to

824
00:48:39.440 --> 00:48:42.119
<v Speaker 11>go inside and commit ritual slaughter.

825
00:48:55.960 --> 00:48:57.480
<v Speaker 2>They shaved their heads and ship too.

826
00:48:57.559 --> 00:48:59.519
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, they did a bunch of stuff, but initially they

827
00:48:59.599 --> 00:49:02.039
<v Speaker 4>did that song that's in the Once Upon a Time

828
00:49:02.079 --> 00:49:03.639
<v Speaker 4>in Hollywood, which is I thought it was kind of

829
00:49:03.639 --> 00:49:05.880
<v Speaker 4>cool that Tuarantinea incorporated that.

830
00:49:07.519 --> 00:49:10.159
<v Speaker 2>But he also said if you knew what he knew now,

831
00:49:10.199 --> 00:49:11.559
<v Speaker 2>he would have wrote a different movie.

832
00:49:12.239 --> 00:49:15.400
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, when he was on Rogan, and Rogan was really

833
00:49:15.440 --> 00:49:17.920
<v Speaker 4>big on Chaos at that point, even though he had

834
00:49:17.920 --> 00:49:21.400
<v Speaker 4>the guy on and he hadn't finished his book, but uh,

835
00:49:22.400 --> 00:49:27.519
<v Speaker 4>it was Yeah. Rogan asked him, have you read Chaos?

836
00:49:27.599 --> 00:49:29.559
<v Speaker 4>And he said, yeah, I finished reading it after I

837
00:49:29.599 --> 00:49:31.679
<v Speaker 4>already shot the movie. And if I had read that book,

838
00:49:31.679 --> 00:49:33.519
<v Speaker 4>I would have made an entirely different movie.

839
00:49:34.480 --> 00:49:35.559
<v Speaker 2>What do you think you would have done?

840
00:49:35.679 --> 00:49:38.599
<v Speaker 4>I don't know if he It's just kind of like

841
00:49:38.639 --> 00:49:40.360
<v Speaker 4>when I was watching The Doors the other night. When

842
00:49:40.360 --> 00:49:43.000
<v Speaker 4>we were watching it, it was just I was just thinking,

843
00:49:43.039 --> 00:49:46.039
<v Speaker 4>how cool would it be if some filmmaker actually told

844
00:49:46.079 --> 00:49:49.440
<v Speaker 4>the real story, like a young Jim Morrison being told

845
00:49:49.440 --> 00:49:51.559
<v Speaker 4>by his dad, You're not going to have the same

846
00:49:51.599 --> 00:49:53.880
<v Speaker 4>life as other people. We have to, like, we have

847
00:49:53.920 --> 00:49:54.360
<v Speaker 4>a mission.

848
00:49:54.400 --> 00:49:57.679
<v Speaker 2>We're doing all in his military garb.

849
00:49:57.840 --> 00:50:00.639
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, and then he then he like practices singing and

850
00:50:00.679 --> 00:50:03.199
<v Speaker 4>he yea, he has a script and then they set

851
00:50:03.239 --> 00:50:05.199
<v Speaker 4>him loose in La Rocne. That would be a good movie.

852
00:50:05.239 --> 00:50:06.519
<v Speaker 2>That would be a great movie.

853
00:50:06.559 --> 00:50:10.559
<v Speaker 4>And just like, what movie could Tarantino have made if

854
00:50:10.559 --> 00:50:14.280
<v Speaker 4>he took Tom O'Neill's research and showed Manson being a

855
00:50:14.320 --> 00:50:15.960
<v Speaker 4>fucking Cia asset.

856
00:50:17.719 --> 00:50:19.480
<v Speaker 2>We should write that movie.

857
00:50:20.079 --> 00:50:21.320
<v Speaker 4>I'd rather write the Doors one.

858
00:50:21.719 --> 00:50:24.039
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, No, that would be a better one actually, because

859
00:50:24.039 --> 00:50:28.000
<v Speaker 2>the Manson thing is so like it's at this point,

860
00:50:28.079 --> 00:50:33.519
<v Speaker 2>I think it's like hard to get people re excited

861
00:50:33.559 --> 00:50:36.679
<v Speaker 2>about it because it's been talked about so much. I

862
00:50:36.679 --> 00:50:37.480
<v Speaker 2>don't know, it's.

863
00:50:37.599 --> 00:50:40.920
<v Speaker 4>Well, And that's what Tom O'Neill to beat the dead

864
00:50:41.079 --> 00:50:45.039
<v Speaker 4>horse of fucking chaos. It's it was a book that

865
00:50:45.239 --> 00:50:47.480
<v Speaker 4>was fresh, and it kind of came out at a

866
00:50:47.519 --> 00:50:50.599
<v Speaker 4>time when the Manson hysteria had leveled out for a

867
00:50:50.639 --> 00:50:54.000
<v Speaker 4>few years, and it was this whole other take that

868
00:50:54.039 --> 00:50:55.960
<v Speaker 4>a lot of people had already known about all these

869
00:50:56.000 --> 00:50:58.280
<v Speaker 4>dots out there, but they got connected in like a

870
00:50:58.360 --> 00:51:02.880
<v Speaker 4>twenty year period of extensive research. So anything can be

871
00:51:02.920 --> 00:51:07.599
<v Speaker 4>done that way. But yeah, it's a topic that, man,

872
00:51:07.679 --> 00:51:09.719
<v Speaker 4>you would have to just dive into it and dedicate

873
00:51:09.760 --> 00:51:11.719
<v Speaker 4>your life to it for a couple decades to get

874
00:51:11.719 --> 00:51:13.400
<v Speaker 4>anywhere fresh.

875
00:51:12.920 --> 00:51:16.199
<v Speaker 2>Well for sure. And actually, the next point I was

876
00:51:16.239 --> 00:51:21.159
<v Speaker 2>going to make is, though no serial killer slash mass

877
00:51:21.280 --> 00:51:26.039
<v Speaker 2>murderer in history has likely achieved the level of notoriety

878
00:51:26.719 --> 00:51:32.199
<v Speaker 2>or generated the volume of media coverage that Charles Manson has,

879
00:51:33.079 --> 00:51:37.480
<v Speaker 2>many of the most compelling facts of the Manson case

880
00:51:37.760 --> 00:51:42.480
<v Speaker 2>remain largely unknown to the public. For a reason. Of

881
00:51:42.679 --> 00:51:47.599
<v Speaker 2>particular significance, perhaps, are the myriad levels on which the

882
00:51:47.760 --> 00:51:52.679
<v Speaker 2>killers and the victims were connected. One of those connections

883
00:51:52.800 --> 00:51:57.559
<v Speaker 2>was provided by none other than Anton Levy. At least

884
00:51:57.639 --> 00:52:03.239
<v Speaker 2>one of Charlie's girls, known locally as the Witch of Mendocino,

885
00:52:03.719 --> 00:52:15.159
<v Speaker 2>was recruited from LaVey's Church of Satan. Susan sexy Sadie

886
00:52:15.360 --> 00:52:20.719
<v Speaker 2>Atkins was one of many dancers in LaVey's stable, collectively

887
00:52:20.840 --> 00:52:26.679
<v Speaker 2>known as the Topless Witch's review. Atkins later credited LaVey

888
00:52:26.800 --> 00:52:32.480
<v Speaker 2>with starting her down the road to murder. Family member

889
00:52:32.840 --> 00:52:37.800
<v Speaker 2>Bobby Bosela, who was a roommate and by some accounts,

890
00:52:37.880 --> 00:52:43.840
<v Speaker 2>a lover of Child's star turned underground filmmaker Kenneth Anger,

891
00:52:44.440 --> 00:52:48.400
<v Speaker 2>was also recruited from the Church of Satan. What do

892
00:52:48.440 --> 00:52:49.400
<v Speaker 2>you think about.

893
00:52:49.119 --> 00:52:54.639
<v Speaker 4>That, about the LaVey connections. Yeah, well, I mean it's

894
00:52:54.719 --> 00:52:57.400
<v Speaker 4>kind of well known that LaVey was an intelligence asset,

895
00:52:58.159 --> 00:53:03.559
<v Speaker 4>and you know, I'm not doubting he was a practitioner.

896
00:53:05.079 --> 00:53:06.639
<v Speaker 4>He wrote the Satanic Bible.

897
00:53:07.840 --> 00:53:11.679
<v Speaker 2>I mean, he might have been well I was gonna say,

898
00:53:11.679 --> 00:53:13.239
<v Speaker 2>you might have been doing a little bit of it,

899
00:53:13.280 --> 00:53:15.920
<v Speaker 2>but he must have been doing quite a bit of it,

900
00:53:16.000 --> 00:53:17.639
<v Speaker 2>so well, I don't know.

901
00:53:17.880 --> 00:53:22.519
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I mean, this was the televised version of the

902
00:53:22.639 --> 00:53:26.519
<v Speaker 4>Church of Satan. You had people like Michael Aquino and

903
00:53:26.599 --> 00:53:29.719
<v Speaker 4>Levey's daughter going up. I don't funk. Wasn't Mario Povich

904
00:53:30.519 --> 00:53:36.199
<v Speaker 4>some shit? And they're like it wasn't like they were

905
00:53:36.280 --> 00:53:40.559
<v Speaker 4>mocking them or promoting them. It was almost like they

906
00:53:40.559 --> 00:53:43.559
<v Speaker 4>were just putting it out there and it would lead

907
00:53:43.639 --> 00:53:47.360
<v Speaker 4>to things such as the Satanic Panic and the West

908
00:53:47.440 --> 00:53:48.360
<v Speaker 4>Memphis three.

909
00:53:48.800 --> 00:53:51.960
<v Speaker 2>Well, what do you think of Kenneth Inger, Well, Kenneth

910
00:53:52.039 --> 00:53:53.280
<v Speaker 2>Inger was balls deep.

911
00:53:53.119 --> 00:53:54.000
<v Speaker 4>In a lot of this stuff.

912
00:53:54.039 --> 00:53:55.079
<v Speaker 2>Like, yeah, that's what I'm saying.

913
00:53:55.119 --> 00:53:57.760
<v Speaker 4>Like, one thing that I always think of is just

914
00:53:57.760 --> 00:54:00.960
<v Speaker 4>like the real deal. Well, think of that, and I

915
00:54:01.000 --> 00:54:03.519
<v Speaker 4>know you know about this and a lot of listeners

916
00:54:03.519 --> 00:54:05.599
<v Speaker 4>probably do. But it's just a weird angle on it.

917
00:54:05.679 --> 00:54:10.159
<v Speaker 4>How the little kid of oh Man, I always forget

918
00:54:10.199 --> 00:54:12.400
<v Speaker 4>his name. Now he had the Vito Pelkis, he had

919
00:54:12.400 --> 00:54:15.840
<v Speaker 4>the freaks and their little kid, well god, yeah, he

920
00:54:16.239 --> 00:54:19.599
<v Speaker 4>you know, died mysteriously somehow when they were all partying

921
00:54:19.639 --> 00:54:21.480
<v Speaker 4>and they went out later that night and partied the

922
00:54:21.559 --> 00:54:23.760
<v Speaker 4>night he died. And this was like a fucking three year.

923
00:54:23.679 --> 00:54:27.320
<v Speaker 2>Old kid, and it was all like there was like

924
00:54:27.440 --> 00:54:30.360
<v Speaker 2>many many stories on what happened, like nobody had the

925
00:54:30.400 --> 00:54:32.440
<v Speaker 2>same story of what really happened to him.

926
00:54:32.760 --> 00:54:38.920
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, and at the time, he was being primed to

927
00:54:38.960 --> 00:54:43.000
<v Speaker 4>be in one of Kenneth Inger's films. Yeah, and then

928
00:54:43.119 --> 00:54:46.440
<v Speaker 4>remember which one it was Lucifer Rising person.

929
00:54:47.159 --> 00:54:50.000
<v Speaker 2>But then he ended up casting Bobby Boselet.

930
00:54:50.440 --> 00:54:53.400
<v Speaker 4>Exactly the point I was going to make. Yeah, yeah, no, no,

931
00:54:53.440 --> 00:54:55.119
<v Speaker 4>that's fine. I was just I mean, you know exactly

932
00:54:55.159 --> 00:55:01.239
<v Speaker 4>where this is going. And these weird connections leve Kenneth Anger.

933
00:55:01.519 --> 00:55:03.559
<v Speaker 2>And Manson family members.

934
00:55:03.159 --> 00:55:06.320
<v Speaker 4>Are they really weird connections or are they just the dots?

935
00:55:06.679 --> 00:55:06.920
<v Speaker 7>You know?

936
00:55:07.679 --> 00:55:09.760
<v Speaker 2>Because if you want to take it one step further,

937
00:55:10.239 --> 00:55:12.920
<v Speaker 2>since we're talking about Kenneth Anger and the Manson family

938
00:55:12.920 --> 00:55:17.119
<v Speaker 2>members like Bobby Bosley. Now we're including Anton Levey into

939
00:55:17.119 --> 00:55:24.559
<v Speaker 2>the mix. Fucking Vito Palykus was like family members in

940
00:55:24.719 --> 00:55:28.639
<v Speaker 2>law of the Rothschilds or something or the Rockefellers or

941
00:55:28.800 --> 00:55:31.599
<v Speaker 2>was it the Rothchilds, the Rothchilds.

942
00:55:31.960 --> 00:55:36.440
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, he was cousin in law's something with was distant,

943
00:55:36.480 --> 00:55:38.960
<v Speaker 4>but it was still close enough that it was suspect.

944
00:55:39.000 --> 00:55:43.360
<v Speaker 4>I remember McGowan brought it up in the Laurel Canyon book.

945
00:55:43.760 --> 00:55:47.800
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, like in the first chapter in laws with the Rothschilds.

946
00:55:47.960 --> 00:55:51.280
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, because if you don't know, Vito Pelkis was the

947
00:55:51.320 --> 00:55:55.400
<v Speaker 4>one who designed like the go Go dancer type thing. Yeah,

948
00:55:55.440 --> 00:55:59.320
<v Speaker 4>he had You had the Birds and other such bands

949
00:55:59.360 --> 00:56:03.320
<v Speaker 4>that were early Laurel Canyon acts that didn't know how

950
00:56:03.320 --> 00:56:05.480
<v Speaker 4>to play their instruments, and they had the Wrecking Crew

951
00:56:05.599 --> 00:56:08.079
<v Speaker 4>in the recording studio. But when they play live shows,

952
00:56:08.679 --> 00:56:10.840
<v Speaker 4>no one went really to watch the music they want,

953
00:56:10.920 --> 00:56:14.280
<v Speaker 4>and they went to watch this hippie stcene emerging with

954
00:56:14.320 --> 00:56:17.079
<v Speaker 4>the freaks. And this was Vito Paalikus and his kids.

955
00:56:17.079 --> 00:56:21.320
<v Speaker 4>In an Kenneth Anger movie dies mysteriously he's replaced by

956
00:56:21.440 --> 00:56:22.559
<v Speaker 4>Bobby Busselet.

957
00:56:23.280 --> 00:56:27.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's it's a lot and actually something that I

958
00:56:28.000 --> 00:56:31.440
<v Speaker 2>want to touch on. You inspired me in the last

959
00:56:31.480 --> 00:56:34.320
<v Speaker 2>episode because you were talking about it, and so I

960
00:56:34.440 --> 00:56:39.840
<v Speaker 2>dug into it a little further. But interestingly, Levey had

961
00:56:39.920 --> 00:56:44.119
<v Speaker 2>connections to the victims as well. He had formed a

962
00:56:44.280 --> 00:56:49.760
<v Speaker 2>close association with Roman Polanski shortly before the murders, when

963
00:56:50.039 --> 00:56:55.159
<v Speaker 2>he served as the technical consultant for Polanski on the

964
00:56:55.159 --> 00:57:00.159
<v Speaker 2>film Rosemary's Baby, in which he also made a cameo

965
00:57:00.199 --> 00:57:02.960
<v Speaker 2>appearance as who else Satan?

966
00:57:03.280 --> 00:57:05.719
<v Speaker 4>The role of a lifetime for ol Anton.

967
00:57:06.360 --> 00:57:08.440
<v Speaker 2>He probably creamed his pants.

968
00:57:09.440 --> 00:57:12.639
<v Speaker 4>It's like, it's like what Dave Grill does now. He

969
00:57:12.719 --> 00:57:15.280
<v Speaker 4>loves playing the devil. Any fucking chance he gets.

970
00:57:15.760 --> 00:57:17.559
<v Speaker 2>It does make him come every time.

971
00:57:17.639 --> 00:57:18.239
<v Speaker 4>Fucking Dave.

972
00:57:18.519 --> 00:57:23.199
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he gets a stiff one, but so on the

973
00:57:23.360 --> 00:57:28.480
<v Speaker 2>set of an earlier film, Tait herself had reportedly been

974
00:57:28.639 --> 00:57:34.360
<v Speaker 2>initiated into witchcraft by Alexander Saunders, who was tight with Levey.

975
00:57:35.440 --> 00:57:39.800
<v Speaker 2>Sammy Davis Junior, who was introduced to the Church of

976
00:57:39.840 --> 00:57:45.159
<v Speaker 2>Satan by Manson. Victim j se Bring has said of

977
00:57:45.320 --> 00:57:50.719
<v Speaker 2>the victims who were killed at Tate's Celio Drive residents, quote,

978
00:57:50.880 --> 00:57:55.719
<v Speaker 2>everyone there had at one time or another been into Satanism.

979
00:57:55.840 --> 00:57:57.960
<v Speaker 4>Everyone there had it one time or another.

980
00:57:58.039 --> 00:58:03.480
<v Speaker 2>Baby, you have to say, been into Satanism.

981
00:58:04.119 --> 00:58:11.599
<v Speaker 4>The joke played itself out halfway through the sentence, y'all. Yeah.

982
00:58:12.199 --> 00:58:17.159
<v Speaker 2>Some newspaper reports at the time of the slains, denounced

983
00:58:17.480 --> 00:58:22.760
<v Speaker 2>as sensationalism, were rife with reports that the Polanskis were

984
00:58:22.960 --> 00:58:26.599
<v Speaker 2>Satanists who hosted drug and sex orgies.

985
00:58:26.760 --> 00:58:30.559
<v Speaker 4>Well, it's all verifiable. That's not sensationalization. No, I know

986
00:58:30.639 --> 00:58:35.320
<v Speaker 4>it is, But it's just funny that like that, the

987
00:58:35.360 --> 00:58:37.519
<v Speaker 4>whole thing was just kind of swept under the rug.

988
00:58:37.599 --> 00:58:39.760
<v Speaker 4>He didn't need to know that this wasn't just random

989
00:58:39.880 --> 00:58:40.480
<v Speaker 4>be scared.

990
00:58:40.800 --> 00:58:44.119
<v Speaker 2>They spent zero time looking into Roman Polanski.

991
00:58:44.519 --> 00:58:47.480
<v Speaker 4>Well they didn't. They actually did look into him, and

992
00:58:47.519 --> 00:58:50.639
<v Speaker 4>they had confiscated we talked about in last episode some

993
00:58:50.760 --> 00:58:51.920
<v Speaker 4>of these film reels.

994
00:58:52.000 --> 00:58:53.920
<v Speaker 2>Well that's kind of what I dug into trying to

995
00:58:53.960 --> 00:58:57.719
<v Speaker 2>find stuff about, because just days before the murders, a

996
00:58:57.800 --> 00:59:01.199
<v Speaker 2>drug dealer was reportedly filmed to be whipped at the

997
00:59:01.280 --> 00:59:07.360
<v Speaker 2>house in an snm ritual, and various celebrities were said

998
00:59:07.400 --> 00:59:11.360
<v Speaker 2>to have been in attendance for this, and actor Dennis

999
00:59:11.400 --> 00:59:16.719
<v Speaker 2>Hopper spoke in interviews of sadistic movies filmed at the

1000
00:59:16.760 --> 00:59:21.159
<v Speaker 2>house that featured some of Hollywood's biggest names, And as

1001
00:59:21.199 --> 00:59:24.760
<v Speaker 2>you were saying in the last episode, they had one

1002
00:59:24.840 --> 00:59:28.119
<v Speaker 2>of a bunch of people running train on fucking Sharon.

1003
00:59:28.920 --> 00:59:31.559
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, and only suppose they only have a few select

1004
00:59:31.639 --> 00:59:36.440
<v Speaker 4>cops saw this and they just kinda to save face

1005
00:59:36.679 --> 00:59:39.679
<v Speaker 4>for the Tate family. They didn't feel like it needed

1006
00:59:39.679 --> 00:59:41.800
<v Speaker 4>to be looked at that closely.

1007
00:59:41.880 --> 00:59:45.000
<v Speaker 2>But if it was someone other than Roman Polanski, would

1008
00:59:45.039 --> 00:59:48.519
<v Speaker 2>it not have been looked at? It's always the husband

1009
00:59:49.599 --> 00:59:52.159
<v Speaker 2>who's to say that Roman set this shit up.

1010
00:59:52.239 --> 00:59:54.239
<v Speaker 4>He was out of the country, so he has a

1011
00:59:54.440 --> 00:59:55.119
<v Speaker 4>solid alibi.

1012
00:59:55.480 --> 00:59:57.079
<v Speaker 2>That's what you do when you're in.

1013
00:59:57.159 --> 01:00:01.119
<v Speaker 4>Fucking There's very high likelihood that the ship he was

1014
01:00:01.159 --> 01:00:02.440
<v Speaker 4>into led to this whole thing.

1015
01:00:02.519 --> 01:00:06.480
<v Speaker 2>But no, you remember, like in our Kurt and Courtney episode, like,

1016
01:00:06.559 --> 01:00:09.280
<v Speaker 2>if you're gonna hire somebody to do this, you got

1017
01:00:09.280 --> 01:00:11.280
<v Speaker 2>to get the fuck out of town when the hit

1018
01:00:11.400 --> 01:00:12.719
<v Speaker 2>goes down, And so you haven't.

1019
01:00:13.440 --> 01:00:15.880
<v Speaker 4>He at least knew it was going to take place. Yeah,

1020
01:00:16.039 --> 01:00:18.480
<v Speaker 4>covered his own ass.

1021
01:00:18.760 --> 01:00:22.480
<v Speaker 2>The fact that the town makes it more look like him.

1022
01:00:22.559 --> 01:00:26.519
<v Speaker 4>Another likelihood is that he knew his life was in

1023
01:00:26.599 --> 01:00:29.239
<v Speaker 4>danger because he had done something to piss off the

1024
01:00:29.320 --> 01:00:32.599
<v Speaker 4>higher ups, and he was, you know, I'm out of town,

1025
01:00:32.679 --> 01:00:34.920
<v Speaker 4>I'm safe, maybe not knowing that they were just going

1026
01:00:35.000 --> 01:00:37.760
<v Speaker 4>to turn it on everybody at his house, including his

1027
01:00:37.800 --> 01:00:41.000
<v Speaker 4>wife and his unborn child. I'm not trying to like

1028
01:00:41.079 --> 01:00:44.760
<v Speaker 4>say that Polansky was innocent and didn't know the murders

1029
01:00:44.760 --> 01:00:46.320
<v Speaker 4>were going to happen, But it could have been the

1030
01:00:46.360 --> 01:00:46.960
<v Speaker 4>other way too.

1031
01:00:48.400 --> 01:00:53.559
<v Speaker 2>I don't know. Usually when somebody dies, especially a pregnant woman,

1032
01:00:53.679 --> 01:00:59.719
<v Speaker 2>look at the fucking it's always a husband. What's up

1033
01:01:00.159 --> 01:01:00.519
<v Speaker 2>a ship?

1034
01:01:00.679 --> 01:01:00.800
<v Speaker 5>That?

1035
01:01:01.039 --> 01:01:03.800
<v Speaker 2>Just do you stay current on true crime?

1036
01:01:04.039 --> 01:01:05.320
<v Speaker 4>Are you talking about Scott Peterson?

1037
01:01:05.440 --> 01:01:07.599
<v Speaker 2>Scott Peterson for sure, But the guy who put his

1038
01:01:07.679 --> 01:01:09.960
<v Speaker 2>wife and his kids in the oil silo because he

1039
01:01:10.000 --> 01:01:14.719
<v Speaker 2>found out she was pregnant mos No when Mormons. His

1040
01:01:14.840 --> 01:01:15.920
<v Speaker 2>name was Chris something.

1041
01:01:16.599 --> 01:01:20.199
<v Speaker 4>Oh damn, yeah, yeah, Chris, I know what you're talking about.

1042
01:01:20.559 --> 01:01:22.159
<v Speaker 2>And he put his wife and his kids with the

1043
01:01:22.199 --> 01:01:25.679
<v Speaker 2>oil silo. It was something. It was something. It was

1044
01:01:25.679 --> 01:01:28.480
<v Speaker 2>on Netflix and everybody because she was found out she

1045
01:01:28.559 --> 01:01:31.199
<v Speaker 2>was pregnant and he wanted to go fuck his little

1046
01:01:32.719 --> 01:01:35.760
<v Speaker 2>secretary or whoever she was, and then he ended up.

1047
01:01:35.800 --> 01:01:38.199
<v Speaker 4>Guy, if you want to fuck your secretary, you don't

1048
01:01:38.239 --> 01:01:41.480
<v Speaker 4>have to kill your wife first, it's not the way

1049
01:01:41.880 --> 01:01:42.639
<v Speaker 4>it has to work.

1050
01:01:43.079 --> 01:01:47.599
<v Speaker 2>No, it's it's really not. There's so many other ways.

1051
01:01:47.719 --> 01:01:51.079
<v Speaker 4>I'm not entirely sure. Just as a side note, that

1052
01:01:51.159 --> 01:01:55.960
<v Speaker 4>Scott Peterson's guilty. What I've seen some compelling evidence?

1053
01:01:56.239 --> 01:01:57.800
<v Speaker 2>Can you share it with the class?

1054
01:01:57.960 --> 01:01:58.199
<v Speaker 7>No?

1055
01:01:58.559 --> 01:02:01.119
<v Speaker 4>Why it's not fresh on mine't mind enough? But I

1056
01:02:01.199 --> 01:02:02.760
<v Speaker 4>remember listening.

1057
01:02:02.360 --> 01:02:03.599
<v Speaker 2>To You're crazy.

1058
01:02:03.800 --> 01:02:06.280
<v Speaker 4>No I'm not crazy because a lot of these things

1059
01:02:06.559 --> 01:02:09.880
<v Speaker 4>when you automatically, when you're automatically just sold the narrative,

1060
01:02:09.960 --> 01:02:12.639
<v Speaker 4>especially when it's in the nice, tightly knit package of

1061
01:02:13.440 --> 01:02:17.719
<v Speaker 4>a true crime documentary, you're gonna be the narrative has

1062
01:02:17.719 --> 01:02:20.320
<v Speaker 4>already been shifted for you. Who do they say did it?

1063
01:02:20.599 --> 01:02:25.159
<v Speaker 4>I don't even remember. I'm just saying what I did, believe,

1064
01:02:25.400 --> 01:02:27.320
<v Speaker 4>just because everybody thought he was guilty.

1065
01:02:28.280 --> 01:02:31.280
<v Speaker 2>He fucking was here.

1066
01:02:30.800 --> 01:02:33.079
<v Speaker 4>We'll talk about this later, all right.

1067
01:02:34.079 --> 01:02:39.119
<v Speaker 2>But sue Anyways, were Romanson killings in reality just part

1068
01:02:39.159 --> 01:02:41.719
<v Speaker 2>of what should be called the Great Acid qu of

1069
01:02:41.840 --> 01:02:47.519
<v Speaker 2>nineteen sixty nine? Were they the result of an operation aimed, at,

1070
01:02:47.559 --> 01:02:53.559
<v Speaker 2>among other things, killing off some competitors, intimidating others, and

1071
01:02:53.880 --> 01:03:01.000
<v Speaker 2>consolidating control of the hallucinogenic drug market. The possibility clearly exists,

1072
01:03:01.440 --> 01:03:07.320
<v Speaker 2>because as I always say, a lot of these murders

1073
01:03:09.119 --> 01:03:17.039
<v Speaker 2>could just be uh taken out the competition, you know,

1074
01:03:17.079 --> 01:03:20.639
<v Speaker 2>they mix like some intentional murders with some random ones. So,

1075
01:03:21.360 --> 01:03:24.239
<v Speaker 2>like I said in the last episode, but I don't

1076
01:03:24.239 --> 01:03:28.159
<v Speaker 2>know they were doing like all kinds of mind control

1077
01:03:28.199 --> 01:03:33.159
<v Speaker 2>shit on people. Because the police originally were drawn to

1078
01:03:33.199 --> 01:03:37.480
<v Speaker 2>the theory that the killings were drug related, other early

1079
01:03:37.599 --> 01:03:42.239
<v Speaker 2>theories were that the killings were occult inspired, or that

1080
01:03:42.400 --> 01:03:45.880
<v Speaker 2>the true motive could be found in what was called

1081
01:03:46.159 --> 01:03:51.360
<v Speaker 2>fame porn. Films and videos found at the Polanski homes

1082
01:03:51.400 --> 01:03:57.440
<v Speaker 2>suggested an elite Hollywood wife swapping alliance, and the folder

1083
01:03:57.559 --> 01:04:01.599
<v Speaker 2>for Kowski home also yielded a box of erotic photos

1084
01:04:01.639 --> 01:04:05.559
<v Speaker 2>of Hollywood's elite. What do you think about that?

1085
01:04:07.599 --> 01:04:10.920
<v Speaker 4>I'm not surprised by any of it when you look

1086
01:04:10.960 --> 01:04:17.119
<v Speaker 4>at how you know, the Hollywood people are, and I

1087
01:04:17.679 --> 01:04:23.559
<v Speaker 4>know very normal people in most regards who wive swap,

1088
01:04:24.920 --> 01:04:27.280
<v Speaker 4>So the fact that this is going on, I'm not

1089
01:04:27.320 --> 01:04:31.840
<v Speaker 4>surprised by it. But some of the like nature of

1090
01:04:31.880 --> 01:04:35.480
<v Speaker 4>the films that the police were said to have confiscated

1091
01:04:35.760 --> 01:04:38.880
<v Speaker 4>from the Landscare household, I would say went beyond.

1092
01:04:40.400 --> 01:04:41.039
<v Speaker 2>Mandingo.

1093
01:04:41.280 --> 01:04:45.320
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, not just your all and out fun polyamory, but

1094
01:04:46.159 --> 01:04:50.199
<v Speaker 4>like some dark shit mixed with some like blackmail type shit.

1095
01:04:51.679 --> 01:04:51.920
<v Speaker 2>Type.

1096
01:04:52.280 --> 01:04:52.480
<v Speaker 5>Yeah.

1097
01:04:52.519 --> 01:04:56.239
<v Speaker 4>And just like I don't know, I don't know a

1098
01:04:56.280 --> 01:04:58.119
<v Speaker 4>lot about.

1099
01:04:57.800 --> 01:04:59.960
<v Speaker 2>Like Rosemary's Baby butt in real life time.

1100
01:05:00.559 --> 01:05:05.119
<v Speaker 4>Well, I think that Polanski and his fascination with Rosemary's

1101
01:05:05.119 --> 01:05:07.199
<v Speaker 4>Baby and him making it into a movie didn't have

1102
01:05:08.599 --> 01:05:10.679
<v Speaker 4>a lot to do with just some like you know,

1103
01:05:10.800 --> 01:05:13.760
<v Speaker 4>this is something that people need to see in a movie.

1104
01:05:13.800 --> 01:05:15.760
<v Speaker 4>It was like his life mm hmm.

1105
01:05:16.800 --> 01:05:19.679
<v Speaker 2>And something else that we spoke about in the previous

1106
01:05:19.719 --> 01:05:24.119
<v Speaker 2>episode that you mentioned that we talked about was like

1107
01:05:24.800 --> 01:05:29.320
<v Speaker 2>why the Labyankas when the tapes were sensationalized and so

1108
01:05:29.480 --> 01:05:34.519
<v Speaker 2>to clarify the why of it, I found some more

1109
01:05:34.559 --> 01:05:40.840
<v Speaker 2>information and there were indications of the involvement of organized

1110
01:05:40.840 --> 01:05:47.280
<v Speaker 2>crime in the killings. Leno LaBianca had known underworld connections,

1111
01:05:47.400 --> 01:05:51.199
<v Speaker 2>to whom he reportedly owed nearly two hundred and fifty

1112
01:05:51.360 --> 01:05:55.639
<v Speaker 2>thousand dollars in gambling debts at the time of the murders.

1113
01:05:55.840 --> 01:06:00.519
<v Speaker 2>The Labyanca home was known to have its phone lines

1114
01:06:00.559 --> 01:06:03.159
<v Speaker 2>tapped Marilyn Monroe style as well.

1115
01:06:03.679 --> 01:06:05.480
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, And I do just want to back up and say,

1116
01:06:05.519 --> 01:06:09.880
<v Speaker 4>like the LaBianca murders. All the point I was making

1117
01:06:09.880 --> 01:06:13.159
<v Speaker 4>in the last episode was the reason that they're so

1118
01:06:13.440 --> 01:06:16.880
<v Speaker 4>big is because they were ultimately just lumped in with

1119
01:06:17.000 --> 01:06:20.719
<v Speaker 4>the Tate killings. So it's the Labyanca slash Tate killings.

1120
01:06:21.320 --> 01:06:24.639
<v Speaker 4>It's not the Tait for Kowski Folder killings. It's Tate

1121
01:06:24.880 --> 01:06:28.119
<v Speaker 4>at this household the Lobbyancas. And they took place very

1122
01:06:28.119 --> 01:06:30.400
<v Speaker 4>close and as far as time goes.

1123
01:06:30.559 --> 01:06:34.159
<v Speaker 2>But they weren't like famous or anything, So it was like,

1124
01:06:34.239 --> 01:06:34.960
<v Speaker 2>why the lock.

1125
01:06:35.400 --> 01:06:39.119
<v Speaker 4>The LaBianca shit, Like, yeah, there was a cult, rituals

1126
01:06:39.119 --> 01:06:43.800
<v Speaker 4>and symbolism apparently going on there, but these people weren't anybody.

1127
01:06:44.519 --> 01:06:47.480
<v Speaker 2>But apparently this was one of the ones that I

1128
01:06:47.599 --> 01:06:49.440
<v Speaker 2>keep mentioning is like a hit job.

1129
01:06:49.559 --> 01:06:52.199
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, and it looks very much like it could have

1130
01:06:52.199 --> 01:06:52.719
<v Speaker 4>been that.

1131
01:06:52.800 --> 01:06:55.159
<v Speaker 2>They mixed this one in with the Tate one. So

1132
01:06:55.360 --> 01:06:57.679
<v Speaker 2>you don't really understand what's going on.

1133
01:06:58.119 --> 01:07:00.719
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, so no one's at the end of the day

1134
01:07:00.960 --> 01:07:01.880
<v Speaker 4>new Sharon Tate.

1135
01:07:02.400 --> 01:07:05.559
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but nobody knew Leno LaBianca had two hundred and

1136
01:07:05.559 --> 01:07:08.639
<v Speaker 2>fifty thousand dollars in gambling debts owed to these underworld

1137
01:07:08.760 --> 01:07:11.119
<v Speaker 2>fucking you know what I mean. So It's like they

1138
01:07:11.239 --> 01:07:14.400
<v Speaker 2>grouped this one in with like the famous people, but

1139
01:07:14.519 --> 01:07:19.760
<v Speaker 2>really they were both kind of purposeful. Yeah. I could

1140
01:07:19.920 --> 01:07:25.000
<v Speaker 2>also add here that the fucking Lobbyonca House was once

1141
01:07:25.079 --> 01:07:29.280
<v Speaker 2>owned by Walt Disney. And fun fact, just in case

1142
01:07:29.320 --> 01:07:32.559
<v Speaker 2>you didn't know, Walt Disney was a direct descendant on

1143
01:07:32.679 --> 01:07:37.960
<v Speaker 2>his mother's side of George Burrow's reportedly the Grand Wizard

1144
01:07:38.199 --> 01:07:41.880
<v Speaker 2>of the Witches executed in Salem in sixteen ninety two,

1145
01:07:42.360 --> 01:07:47.199
<v Speaker 2>But that's another episode. Walt Disney owned the Labbyanca home.

1146
01:07:47.599 --> 01:07:51.639
<v Speaker 2>Was it in Laurel Canyon? Lobyanca's were in Laurel Canyon,

1147
01:07:51.840 --> 01:07:57.599
<v Speaker 2>I mean or adjacent, Yeah, okay, And so Walt Disney

1148
01:07:57.800 --> 01:08:00.960
<v Speaker 2>was hanging out with like all the weird Germans that

1149
01:08:01.280 --> 01:08:07.199
<v Speaker 2>were involved in NASA, right, So was Stanley Kubrick. Stanley

1150
01:08:07.280 --> 01:08:11.280
<v Speaker 2>Kubrick was also connected with Jack Nicholson, who was also

1151
01:08:11.440 --> 01:08:12.719
<v Speaker 2>Laurel Canyon.

1152
01:08:12.559 --> 01:08:20.119
<v Speaker 4>Well, who also they had done Chinatown Roman Polanski's movie

1153
01:08:20.479 --> 01:08:24.119
<v Speaker 4>after all of this went down, and Jack Nicholson was

1154
01:08:24.159 --> 01:08:28.720
<v Speaker 4>tight with Polanski and it's his home where Polanski sexually

1155
01:08:28.760 --> 01:08:34.199
<v Speaker 4>assaulted the thirteen year old girl. And you know, people

1156
01:08:34.239 --> 01:08:41.239
<v Speaker 4>like Robert de Niro helped the legal fees with Polansky

1157
01:08:41.279 --> 01:08:43.960
<v Speaker 4>on that statutory rape charge. He ended up fleeing the country,

1158
01:08:43.960 --> 01:08:48.239
<v Speaker 4>of course, But yeah, Jack Nicholson certainly one of those

1159
01:08:48.279 --> 01:08:50.239
<v Speaker 4>guys who's at the center of a spider web.

1160
01:08:50.520 --> 01:08:53.239
<v Speaker 2>I mean, but isn't it crazy how you can go

1161
01:08:53.399 --> 01:08:58.359
<v Speaker 2>Stanley Kubrick, Jack Nicholson, Walt Disney, the weirdos at NASA

1162
01:08:58.760 --> 01:09:01.359
<v Speaker 2>and fucking link it back to the Lobiancas and the

1163
01:09:01.439 --> 01:09:03.399
<v Speaker 2>Tate murders. Fucking Charles Manson.

1164
01:09:03.439 --> 01:09:06.399
<v Speaker 4>Shit, man, you can link all of those guys too,

1165
01:09:06.800 --> 01:09:12.279
<v Speaker 4>not the the Tait and Glansky, but there's the Lookout Studio.

1166
01:09:12.520 --> 01:09:17.079
<v Speaker 2>Oh fuck where Walt Disney, Stanley Kuberg. They all had

1167
01:09:17.119 --> 01:09:18.279
<v Speaker 2>a top secret clearance.

1168
01:09:18.319 --> 01:09:20.600
<v Speaker 4>I don't know if Jack Nicholson's on that list, but.

1169
01:09:22.680 --> 01:09:25.920
<v Speaker 2>They all had top secret clearance to look Out Mountain Laboratory.

1170
01:09:26.039 --> 01:09:29.000
<v Speaker 4>And Julia and I just the other night watched writer

1171
01:09:29.159 --> 01:09:34.680
<v Speaker 4>Lee and Jay Weisner's new movie A Clockwork Shining, Shining,

1172
01:09:34.920 --> 01:09:37.920
<v Speaker 4>and go check that out. It's really good, really good,

1173
01:09:37.960 --> 01:09:39.960
<v Speaker 4>and it ties You know, you might not agree with

1174
01:09:40.000 --> 01:09:43.319
<v Speaker 4>every little theory in it, but he certainly didn't it tie.

1175
01:09:43.680 --> 01:09:45.880
<v Speaker 4>I agreed with a lot of it, and it ties

1176
01:09:45.960 --> 01:09:48.239
<v Speaker 4>together a lot of this stuff that Julia and I

1177
01:09:48.279 --> 01:09:51.399
<v Speaker 4>always talk about and really interesting ways.

1178
01:09:51.520 --> 01:09:55.640
<v Speaker 2>It really actually touched on a lot of our research.

1179
01:09:56.319 --> 01:09:59.479
<v Speaker 4>Well it's everybody's research at this point, but yeah, it's

1180
01:09:59.600 --> 01:10:00.640
<v Speaker 4>it's az.

1181
01:10:00.880 --> 01:10:04.720
<v Speaker 2>It's what we're known for. A lot like are looking into.

1182
01:10:05.319 --> 01:10:06.920
<v Speaker 2>But I mean, like I said, there were a few

1183
01:10:06.920 --> 01:10:11.760
<v Speaker 2>things that I disagreed with, maybe Colby didn't, But I

1184
01:10:11.840 --> 01:10:17.000
<v Speaker 2>like with any documentary, you take some of the information

1185
01:10:17.439 --> 01:10:20.960
<v Speaker 2>with a grain of salt and do your own research

1186
01:10:21.079 --> 01:10:23.880
<v Speaker 2>on it, because if you're gonna sit and watch a documentary,

1187
01:10:23.880 --> 01:10:26.399
<v Speaker 2>you can't just like be nodding your head the whole time.

1188
01:10:26.800 --> 01:10:29.159
<v Speaker 2>You actually need to look into the stuff that's being

1189
01:10:29.199 --> 01:10:29.960
<v Speaker 2>presented to you.

1190
01:10:30.079 --> 01:10:32.920
<v Speaker 4>Well, and there was also information that I hadn't heard before,

1191
01:10:33.239 --> 01:10:36.640
<v Speaker 4>same same I would say, just check it out and

1192
01:10:37.279 --> 01:10:39.800
<v Speaker 4>come to your own conclusions about it. Three time you

1193
01:10:39.800 --> 01:10:41.720
<v Speaker 4>see worth watching on Amazon Prime.

1194
01:10:42.119 --> 01:10:44.640
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, every time you watch a documentary you need to

1195
01:10:44.640 --> 01:10:46.880
<v Speaker 2>come to your own conclusions and do your own research.

1196
01:10:46.920 --> 01:10:49.720
<v Speaker 2>But it's definitely worth watching. I enjoyed it. I've watched

1197
01:10:49.720 --> 01:10:52.399
<v Speaker 2>a lot of Jay Widener stuff though, with like the

1198
01:10:52.439 --> 01:10:56.279
<v Speaker 2>Fake moon Landing and Stanley Kubrick. The first two word

1199
01:10:56.479 --> 01:10:58.600
<v Speaker 2>just Jay Widner, I believe Yeah.

1200
01:10:58.760 --> 01:11:02.159
<v Speaker 4>Writer teamed up with him on their last movie about JFK,

1201
01:11:02.359 --> 01:11:03.520
<v Speaker 4>and now they're doing this one.

1202
01:11:03.720 --> 01:11:07.680
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and it was definitely worth watching. Regardless of how

1203
01:11:07.720 --> 01:11:09.840
<v Speaker 2>you may feel about Jay Wider and the whole guy

1204
01:11:09.880 --> 01:11:13.640
<v Speaker 2>a fucking weirdness, I still think he makes a lot

1205
01:11:13.640 --> 01:11:17.000
<v Speaker 2>of good points. Do you know about that? And like

1206
01:11:17.159 --> 01:11:21.840
<v Speaker 2>David Wilcox and all that bullshit. Yeah, So kind of

1207
01:11:21.880 --> 01:11:24.880
<v Speaker 2>like we were talking about earlier, and I've kind of

1208
01:11:25.000 --> 01:11:30.239
<v Speaker 2>established by giving the why as to the labyancas. Many

1209
01:11:30.239 --> 01:11:34.479
<v Speaker 2>people have the impression that these houses were chosen at random,

1210
01:11:34.520 --> 01:11:39.359
<v Speaker 2>but it doesn't seem to be the case. And he

1211
01:11:39.600 --> 01:11:45.680
<v Speaker 2>actually knew the owner of the Tate House, Rudy also

1212
01:11:46.960 --> 01:11:52.560
<v Speaker 2>something or other And as we were saying earlier, Terry Melcher,

1213
01:11:54.359 --> 01:11:58.159
<v Speaker 2>who along with Charlie was involved with the Processed Church,

1214
01:11:59.520 --> 01:12:04.600
<v Speaker 2>as was John Phillips, cast Elliott's bandmate and another associate

1215
01:12:04.680 --> 01:12:09.600
<v Speaker 2>of Manson. Charlie was familiar with the Lobbyanca home as well,

1216
01:12:11.439 --> 01:12:14.880
<v Speaker 2>as it was right next door to the home of

1217
01:12:15.079 --> 01:12:19.640
<v Speaker 2>Harold True, who had hosted LSD parties attended by Charlie

1218
01:12:20.000 --> 01:12:26.399
<v Speaker 2>and his followers before the murders. And another super bizarre

1219
01:12:26.520 --> 01:12:30.479
<v Speaker 2>fact about the take killings that has gone largely unreported

1220
01:12:30.680 --> 01:12:34.000
<v Speaker 2>is that the crime scene appeared to have been rearranged

1221
01:12:34.319 --> 01:12:39.640
<v Speaker 2>after the killers had left. An attempt appeared to have

1222
01:12:39.800 --> 01:12:43.800
<v Speaker 2>been made to pose the victim's bodies on the home's

1223
01:12:43.880 --> 01:12:49.600
<v Speaker 2>front porch, after which the corpses were reposed inside the house.

1224
01:12:50.359 --> 01:12:54.720
<v Speaker 2>Evidence of tampering with the crime scene included an unidentified

1225
01:12:54.840 --> 01:12:58.399
<v Speaker 2>bloody boot heel print found on the front porch of

1226
01:12:58.439 --> 01:13:03.319
<v Speaker 2>the house and a number of unidentified fingerprints on the premises.

1227
01:13:03.479 --> 01:13:05.720
<v Speaker 2>What do you think about that bootprint?

1228
01:13:05.960 --> 01:13:07.239
<v Speaker 4>Makes me think Zodiac?

1229
01:13:07.640 --> 01:13:11.560
<v Speaker 2>It was definitely the Zodiac who killed them. Case closed,

1230
01:13:11.600 --> 01:13:12.560
<v Speaker 2>everybody solved it.

1231
01:13:12.640 --> 01:13:13.720
<v Speaker 4>Everybody's Zodiac.

1232
01:13:14.039 --> 01:13:16.800
<v Speaker 2>Everybody's leaving their fucking boot prints everywhere.

1233
01:13:16.920 --> 01:13:20.600
<v Speaker 4>Well this, you know, this was also talked about extensively

1234
01:13:20.640 --> 01:13:25.439
<v Speaker 4>in Chaos, about the rearranging And yeah, it's almost like

1235
01:13:25.720 --> 01:13:32.560
<v Speaker 4>the killings happened in a fashion and then they whoever

1236
01:13:32.600 --> 01:13:35.640
<v Speaker 4>they is, went back to set it up to be

1237
01:13:35.720 --> 01:13:36.399
<v Speaker 4>found the way.

1238
01:13:36.239 --> 01:13:38.840
<v Speaker 2>It was so babe, do you know like if they

1239
01:13:39.159 --> 01:13:43.399
<v Speaker 2>rearranged the bodies like multiple times to like get the

1240
01:13:44.279 --> 01:13:48.279
<v Speaker 2>mass fucking hysteria going of, like they had to rearrange

1241
01:13:48.319 --> 01:13:51.079
<v Speaker 2>them in the gorious possible way, or yeah, I.

1242
01:13:51.079 --> 01:13:53.960
<v Speaker 4>Don't know about multiple times, but it seems like the

1243
01:13:54.039 --> 01:13:57.279
<v Speaker 4>killings took place as they did however that went down,

1244
01:13:57.520 --> 01:14:02.520
<v Speaker 4>and then shortly after the like the makeup crew or

1245
01:14:02.600 --> 01:14:09.680
<v Speaker 4>the set designers of this movie came in who knows to.

1246
01:14:09.720 --> 01:14:12.199
<v Speaker 2>Like get them the most amount of like.

1247
01:14:12.640 --> 01:14:15.640
<v Speaker 4>Well, shock and awe. If the people that did the

1248
01:14:15.760 --> 01:14:19.199
<v Speaker 4>killing were the ones who were sending the message, wouldn't

1249
01:14:19.239 --> 01:14:21.560
<v Speaker 4>they them themselves have just done it that way?

1250
01:14:21.880 --> 01:14:22.039
<v Speaker 7>Right?

1251
01:14:22.359 --> 01:14:23.960
<v Speaker 2>Impose them and like.

1252
01:14:24.319 --> 01:14:28.319
<v Speaker 4>But and who's to say it wasn't like somebody unrelated

1253
01:14:28.359 --> 01:14:30.560
<v Speaker 4>to the killings. It was like we got to connect

1254
01:14:30.600 --> 01:14:33.279
<v Speaker 4>this with like this and this, and this is gonna

1255
01:14:33.319 --> 01:14:35.479
<v Speaker 4>be the thing to put the final nail in the

1256
01:14:35.520 --> 01:14:36.800
<v Speaker 4>coffin of the hippie movement.

1257
01:14:37.439 --> 01:14:41.439
<v Speaker 2>Well, when you google the Tate crime scene, the first

1258
01:14:41.479 --> 01:14:43.840
<v Speaker 2>picture that always pops up is sharing Tate with their

1259
01:14:43.880 --> 01:14:47.079
<v Speaker 2>big pregnant belly, like all bloody and laid out on

1260
01:14:47.119 --> 01:14:51.279
<v Speaker 2>the floor with their arms up and like it's to me,

1261
01:14:51.439 --> 01:14:55.399
<v Speaker 2>it's almost to like they they arranged the bodies to

1262
01:14:55.560 --> 01:14:59.880
<v Speaker 2>make them look even more. It's just gruesome and like bloody.

1263
01:14:59.680 --> 01:15:03.640
<v Speaker 4>And well, you know, there's accounts of the Phoenix program

1264
01:15:04.039 --> 01:15:10.560
<v Speaker 4>where murdering pregnant women and doing gruesome things was a

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01:15:10.600 --> 01:15:11.399
<v Speaker 4>big part of it.

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01:15:11.720 --> 01:15:14.199
<v Speaker 2>And there's one close up photo of her with like

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01:15:14.279 --> 01:15:17.439
<v Speaker 2>a thing around her neck and like it's just I

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01:15:17.479 --> 01:15:20.800
<v Speaker 2>don't know, babe, Like like with a lot of these shits,

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01:15:20.840 --> 01:15:23.760
<v Speaker 2>it's like they redid the bodies and shit to just

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01:15:23.920 --> 01:15:28.399
<v Speaker 2>be more theatrical and like gruesome and gory. And they

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01:15:28.920 --> 01:15:31.560
<v Speaker 2>spread a couple of them out over the lawn and.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, and it could have been the killers that did it,

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01:15:34.680 --> 01:15:40.119
<v Speaker 4>but the word like rearranged, it puts a certain picture

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01:15:40.159 --> 01:15:40.680
<v Speaker 4>in your head.

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01:15:41.039 --> 01:15:44.640
<v Speaker 2>And the unidentified fingerprints and stuff like who was in

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01:15:44.680 --> 01:15:49.600
<v Speaker 2>there besides who we know. But so Manson was ultimately

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01:15:49.720 --> 01:15:53.600
<v Speaker 2>arrested on charges unrelated to the murders on October twelfth,

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01:15:53.600 --> 01:15:58.560
<v Speaker 2>Alistair Crowley's birthday, following a raid on the family compound,

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01:15:58.960 --> 01:16:03.199
<v Speaker 2>and was only later charged in connection to the killings.

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01:16:03.840 --> 01:16:07.720
<v Speaker 2>But Charlie had previously been arrested or charged on forty

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01:16:07.800 --> 01:16:12.000
<v Speaker 2>or more occasions. One of those arrests in nineteen sixty

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01:16:12.039 --> 01:16:17.000
<v Speaker 2>seven was made by a narcotics team led by the

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01:16:17.199 --> 01:16:23.880
<v Speaker 2>LAPD's Frank Salerno. Salerno would later lead the task forces

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01:16:23.960 --> 01:16:29.680
<v Speaker 2>investigating both the Hillside Strangler murders and the night Stalker

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01:16:29.760 --> 01:16:35.279
<v Speaker 2>killings more CIA killers. So I think this guy is

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01:16:35.319 --> 01:16:36.000
<v Speaker 2>in on it too.

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01:16:36.520 --> 01:16:38.359
<v Speaker 4>I mean, he's certainly a player and all of it.

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01:16:38.439 --> 01:16:43.359
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Hillside Stranglers, Charles Manson, and night Stalker. That's a

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01:16:43.359 --> 01:16:44.760
<v Speaker 2>pretty good resume right there.

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<v Speaker 4>His life would make a good movie.

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01:16:48.239 --> 01:16:51.880
<v Speaker 2>But as the mid nineteen seventies rolled around, the FBI's

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01:16:52.000 --> 01:16:58.560
<v Speaker 2>Behavioral Science Unit came into being, the science of criminal

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01:16:58.600 --> 01:17:03.920
<v Speaker 2>profiling was rest upon the American people, the term serial

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01:17:04.000 --> 01:17:10.560
<v Speaker 2>killer entered the national lexicon, and the mass murderer suddenly

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01:17:10.600 --> 01:17:14.720
<v Speaker 2>became the new American anti hero. What do you think

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01:17:14.720 --> 01:17:15.159
<v Speaker 2>about that?

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<v Speaker 4>It makes me think of natural born killers me too, Like,

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01:17:20.800 --> 01:17:24.680
<v Speaker 4>I mean, they do the most satirical, extreme examples of it.

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<v Speaker 4>But when Mickey and Mallory Knox in the middle of

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01:17:26.840 --> 01:17:31.319
<v Speaker 4>the movie get caught and it shows the hysterias surrounding them,

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01:17:31.960 --> 01:17:35.640
<v Speaker 4>you know, people are treating them like rock stars, and yeah,

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01:17:36.439 --> 01:17:39.359
<v Speaker 4>there's one kid who's like, I mean, don't get me wrong,

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01:17:39.880 --> 01:17:42.560
<v Speaker 4>I don't agree with mass Mourory. That shit's fucked up.

1304
01:17:43.720 --> 01:17:45.600
<v Speaker 4>But if I was a serial killer, it'd definitely be

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01:17:45.680 --> 01:17:46.760
<v Speaker 4>Mickey and Mallerie.

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01:17:47.239 --> 01:17:52.039
<v Speaker 2>So what about our favorite fictional serial killer of all time.

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01:17:53.479 --> 01:17:55.760
<v Speaker 4>Well, yeah, I mean you could take it into present day.

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01:17:56.560 --> 01:17:58.439
<v Speaker 4>Dexter literally is an anti hero.

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01:17:59.239 --> 01:18:04.319
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but he still a mass murderer. Yeah, but I

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01:18:04.399 --> 01:18:06.199
<v Speaker 2>have such a fondness for him.

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01:18:06.640 --> 01:18:09.760
<v Speaker 4>Well, it's just a really cool theory. It's it's young Ian.

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01:18:09.960 --> 01:18:12.000
<v Speaker 4>It's also the fucking Batman story.

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01:18:12.800 --> 01:18:15.960
<v Speaker 2>And but do you think stuff like that makes people

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01:18:16.000 --> 01:18:19.000
<v Speaker 2>have like a fondness for serial killers in a way?

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01:18:19.560 --> 01:18:21.880
<v Speaker 4>Well, and that was always like a fear when you

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01:18:22.279 --> 01:18:25.399
<v Speaker 4>hear like Michael C. Hall and the makers of Dexter

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01:18:25.439 --> 01:18:29.359
<v Speaker 4>and interviews talking about like, yeah, this is a show

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01:18:29.439 --> 01:18:33.319
<v Speaker 4>where we've made a vigilante serial killer and we're not

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01:18:33.439 --> 01:18:35.520
<v Speaker 4>trying to say that you should be doing this.

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01:18:36.119 --> 01:18:36.800
<v Speaker 7>I mean I'm.

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01:18:36.640 --> 01:18:41.600
<v Speaker 2>Paraphrasing, but right, yeah, as far as we can, you'd

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01:18:41.640 --> 01:18:44.880
<v Speaker 2>be mad at him, like he's taking up the garbage, right.

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01:18:44.920 --> 01:18:48.960
<v Speaker 4>I mean, I don't think Dexter is a great example

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01:18:49.039 --> 01:18:51.760
<v Speaker 4>of like the actual.

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01:18:52.640 --> 01:18:55.840
<v Speaker 2>Because our justice system is fucked. I mean a lot

1326
01:18:55.840 --> 01:18:59.239
<v Speaker 2>of these people do walk, especially the ones that are

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01:18:59.319 --> 01:19:02.159
<v Speaker 2>fucking protect did. Like a lot of these like child

1328
01:19:02.279 --> 01:19:05.439
<v Speaker 2>rapists and shit, they do get out. I would like

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01:19:05.520 --> 01:19:07.760
<v Speaker 2>to have an actual Dexter running our host.

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01:19:07.880 --> 01:19:10.600
<v Speaker 4>I always said each corner of the country should have

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01:19:10.880 --> 01:19:14.319
<v Speaker 4>a dozen Dexters. Yeah, but you know that's neither here

1332
01:19:14.399 --> 01:19:14.880
<v Speaker 4>nor there.

1333
01:19:15.479 --> 01:19:20.680
<v Speaker 2>Like maybe we that is our form of justice is

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01:19:21.079 --> 01:19:24.199
<v Speaker 2>fuck you. Hope Dexter doesn't get a hold of your ass.

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01:19:24.439 --> 01:19:26.279
<v Speaker 4>This series is taking an interesting turn.

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01:19:27.119 --> 01:19:31.920
<v Speaker 2>Wow, So I don't know, I just I'm just saying.

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01:19:32.119 --> 01:19:35.359
<v Speaker 2>It's not because I love Dexter, but I do think

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01:19:35.399 --> 01:19:39.960
<v Speaker 2>a lot of these raping, molesting, pieces of fucking garbage,

1339
01:19:40.239 --> 01:19:44.039
<v Speaker 2>dumpster shit cunt titties get fucking let back out onto

1340
01:19:44.079 --> 01:19:46.960
<v Speaker 2>the street, and there is no justice for a lot

1341
01:19:47.000 --> 01:19:49.680
<v Speaker 2>of these kids that go through this stuff. There is

1342
01:19:49.760 --> 01:19:54.640
<v Speaker 2>no justice for the dead, dismembered women and children and

1343
01:19:54.840 --> 01:19:59.720
<v Speaker 2>even you know, dudes whatever. But like, there is no

1344
01:20:00.399 --> 01:20:02.479
<v Speaker 2>for them. And that kills me because like at the

1345
01:20:02.560 --> 01:20:05.239
<v Speaker 2>end of every movie, the bad guy gets it, but

1346
01:20:05.359 --> 01:20:08.319
<v Speaker 2>in real life, it's the exact opposite. The bad guy

1347
01:20:08.359 --> 01:20:09.439
<v Speaker 2>doesn't get it well.

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01:20:09.439 --> 01:20:11.760
<v Speaker 4>And that's the that's kind of the beauty of the

1349
01:20:11.760 --> 01:20:15.359
<v Speaker 4>Dexter story is that he is a product of a

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01:20:15.399 --> 01:20:19.680
<v Speaker 4>failed system. He had to watch his mom get chainsawed

1351
01:20:19.800 --> 01:20:23.680
<v Speaker 4>to death, and then he gets taken in by a

1352
01:20:23.800 --> 01:20:26.800
<v Speaker 4>jaded cop who's fed up with seeing these people walk

1353
01:20:26.840 --> 01:20:29.760
<v Speaker 4>the streets and so he turns the whole thing he's

1354
01:20:29.800 --> 01:20:33.800
<v Speaker 4>against on itself. So yeah, But to get back to

1355
01:20:33.840 --> 01:20:39.800
<v Speaker 4>the point, like this is real when people start idolizing

1356
01:20:39.840 --> 01:20:42.760
<v Speaker 4>these people and the yeah, the true crime movement for

1357
01:20:43.359 --> 01:20:47.039
<v Speaker 4>people in your demographic, I mean it's you know, there's

1358
01:20:47.079 --> 01:20:51.920
<v Speaker 4>the South Park episode murder porn and so funny, but

1359
01:20:52.199 --> 01:20:57.640
<v Speaker 4>the like idolization of serial killers where you have women

1360
01:20:58.079 --> 01:21:02.279
<v Speaker 4>writing letters to Ted Bundy and prison it's wanted to

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01:21:02.319 --> 01:21:03.079
<v Speaker 4>marry him.

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01:21:03.479 --> 01:21:06.199
<v Speaker 2>One of them did and had a baby with him.

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01:21:06.760 --> 01:21:08.920
<v Speaker 4>I mean, isn't that fuck up that Bundy could get

1364
01:21:08.920 --> 01:21:13.680
<v Speaker 4>conjugal visits? Yeah, that's the fucking seed we need sex, that's.

1365
01:21:13.399 --> 01:21:15.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, uh huh.

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01:21:15.399 --> 01:21:15.840
<v Speaker 5>But so.

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01:21:17.960 --> 01:21:20.680
<v Speaker 2>As soon as there was a name for this new

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01:21:20.840 --> 01:21:25.119
<v Speaker 2>and feared breed of criminal, the country bore witness to

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01:21:25.319 --> 01:21:30.600
<v Speaker 2>the media, giving saturation coverage to the alleged exploits of

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01:21:30.680 --> 01:21:34.920
<v Speaker 2>these individuals, creating larger than life figures out of the

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01:21:35.079 --> 01:21:40.239
<v Speaker 2>likes of Henry Lee, Lucas david Son of Sam Berkowitz,

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01:21:40.479 --> 01:21:45.079
<v Speaker 2>Theodore Robert Bundy, John Wayne Gacy, and the Hillside Stranglers.

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<v Speaker 4>Can I just say, I like how you keep to

1374
01:21:49.000 --> 01:21:54.000
<v Speaker 4>like the serial killer folklore and give Ted Bundy his

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01:21:54.039 --> 01:21:58.319
<v Speaker 4>true three names, because why the fuck isn't he known

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01:21:58.399 --> 01:22:02.640
<v Speaker 4>as Theodore Robert. Yeah, Jeffrey Dahmer doesn't have a middle

1377
01:22:02.720 --> 01:22:03.279
<v Speaker 4>name that we know.

1378
01:22:03.880 --> 01:22:08.279
<v Speaker 2>Oh, we should google it. Where's my phone? We need

1379
01:22:08.359 --> 01:22:12.279
<v Speaker 2>to use his government name. What the fuck he can't

1380
01:22:12.279 --> 01:22:14.359
<v Speaker 2>get off with just two names?

1381
01:22:14.920 --> 01:22:22.239
<v Speaker 4>Lionel, jeff Lionel Dalmer, Jeff Line does it ring off

1382
01:22:22.279 --> 01:22:24.800
<v Speaker 4>the tongue. I could see why they did.

1383
01:22:25.159 --> 01:22:26.359
<v Speaker 2>Jeff Lionel Dahmer.

1384
01:22:27.439 --> 01:22:29.239
<v Speaker 4>It's gonna be Jeffrey Lionel.

1385
01:22:29.159 --> 01:22:34.720
<v Speaker 2>Jeff l Dahmer, Jeff Jeffriel Jeffriel Dahmer actually has better, okay,

1386
01:22:34.800 --> 01:22:36.359
<v Speaker 2>Jeffreel Dahmer. Okay.

1387
01:22:37.199 --> 01:22:37.520
<v Speaker 5>But so.

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01:22:37.960 --> 01:22:42.680
<v Speaker 2>The twelve victims attributed to the Hillside Stranglers were killed

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01:22:42.720 --> 01:22:48.159
<v Speaker 2>between October seventeenth, nineteen seventy seven in February seventeenth, nineteen

1390
01:22:48.279 --> 01:22:53.000
<v Speaker 2>seventy eight, closely mirroring the alleged murder spree of Herb

1391
01:22:53.119 --> 01:22:58.039
<v Speaker 2>Mullin from the last episode, whose thirteen alleged victims were

1392
01:22:58.119 --> 01:23:01.720
<v Speaker 2>killed during almost the exact same span of time just

1393
01:23:01.840 --> 01:23:07.319
<v Speaker 2>five years earlier. October thirteenth, nineteen seventy two to February thirteenth,

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01:23:07.479 --> 01:23:12.560
<v Speaker 2>nineteen seventy three. The last killing attributed to Ted Bundy

1395
01:23:12.680 --> 01:23:17.520
<v Speaker 2>occurred just eight days before the last Hillside strangling on

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01:23:17.640 --> 01:23:22.720
<v Speaker 2>February ninth, nineteen seventy eight. Bundy had been killing for

1397
01:23:22.840 --> 01:23:28.720
<v Speaker 2>four years or more, according to varying accounts, So kind

1398
01:23:28.720 --> 01:23:32.359
<v Speaker 2>of like with Manson and Zodiac, it appears that the

1399
01:23:32.479 --> 01:23:36.520
<v Speaker 2>Hillside Stranglers and Herb Mullen and Ted Bundy were kind

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01:23:36.600 --> 01:23:40.319
<v Speaker 2>of running parallel as well, or around the same time,

1401
01:23:41.159 --> 01:23:47.680
<v Speaker 2>like October to February. They went for the same about

1402
01:23:47.720 --> 01:23:50.840
<v Speaker 2>the same duration of time, like four to five years.

1403
01:23:51.640 --> 01:23:54.840
<v Speaker 2>And so, as we were saying in the last episode,

1404
01:23:54.880 --> 01:23:56.840
<v Speaker 2>it seems like there is kind of a pattern to

1405
01:23:56.880 --> 01:23:57.439
<v Speaker 2>this stuff.

1406
01:23:58.000 --> 01:23:59.640
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, And if you want to get back to the

1407
01:23:59.720 --> 01:24:03.920
<v Speaker 4>rich element of it, like what is it of the

1408
01:24:03.960 --> 01:24:06.479
<v Speaker 4>months from October to February.

1409
01:24:06.520 --> 01:24:11.880
<v Speaker 2>That's the holiday season, that's the killing moon. Gotta be right.

1410
01:24:13.399 --> 01:24:19.159
<v Speaker 2>John Wayne Gacy's reign also ended in nineteen seventy eight,

1411
01:24:19.640 --> 01:24:23.560
<v Speaker 2>and he too had been killing for about four years

1412
01:24:23.680 --> 01:24:28.640
<v Speaker 2>longer by some accounts. There were a number of parallels

1413
01:24:28.760 --> 01:24:33.439
<v Speaker 2>between the cases of these high profile killers. Kenneth from

1414
01:24:33.479 --> 01:24:40.319
<v Speaker 2>the Hillside Stranglers, like Charles Manson, was born the son

1415
01:24:40.479 --> 01:24:46.920
<v Speaker 2>of an alcoholic teenage prostitute. His alleged partner, Angelo last

1416
01:24:47.000 --> 01:24:50.119
<v Speaker 2>name I can't pronounce, was also born the son of

1417
01:24:50.159 --> 01:24:55.640
<v Speaker 2>a prostitute. Like Lucas, Angelo spoke of being taken along

1418
01:24:55.720 --> 01:25:01.000
<v Speaker 2>by his mother while she serviced her tricks. According to

1419
01:25:01.039 --> 01:25:05.720
<v Speaker 2>some accounts, Ted Bundy's mother was an abusive young prostitute

1420
01:25:05.720 --> 01:25:09.680
<v Speaker 2>as well, who also practiced her trade in the presence

1421
01:25:09.920 --> 01:25:14.439
<v Speaker 2>of her young son, which is also not usually mentioned

1422
01:25:14.479 --> 01:25:17.319
<v Speaker 2>in the documentaries. Had you ever heard about that?

1423
01:25:18.000 --> 01:25:24.199
<v Speaker 4>Well? I heard about is in program to kill.

1424
01:25:22.680 --> 01:25:26.760
<v Speaker 2>Right me too. I don't know how that goes, though,

1425
01:25:26.840 --> 01:25:30.239
<v Speaker 2>because I was pretty sure that like shortly after he

1426
01:25:30.399 --> 01:25:33.079
<v Speaker 2>was born he was kind of like given to the

1427
01:25:33.159 --> 01:25:37.319
<v Speaker 2>grandparents and raised to believe that his mother was his sister.

1428
01:25:37.600 --> 01:25:39.159
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, much like Jack Nicholson.

1429
01:25:39.479 --> 01:25:41.239
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so don't I don't know.

1430
01:25:41.439 --> 01:25:43.399
<v Speaker 4>Doesn't mean his mom couldn't have been fucking in front

1431
01:25:43.399 --> 01:25:45.399
<v Speaker 4>of him when he was young. Who knows.

1432
01:25:46.079 --> 01:25:52.720
<v Speaker 2>Beyonci, Bundy, and Gacy all had intense interest in law

1433
01:25:52.840 --> 01:26:00.119
<v Speaker 2>enforcement work. Biyonkey, for example, studied police science and call

1434
01:26:00.560 --> 01:26:05.800
<v Speaker 2>went on ride alongs with the LAPD, joined the Sheriff's Reserves,

1435
01:26:05.960 --> 01:26:10.560
<v Speaker 2>and was known to carry a California Highway patrol badge

1436
01:26:11.000 --> 01:26:15.720
<v Speaker 2>and that was one of the fucks from the Hillside stranglers.

1437
01:26:16.560 --> 01:26:20.319
<v Speaker 2>Gacy was described by his wife as a police freak,

1438
01:26:20.920 --> 01:26:24.640
<v Speaker 2>a description that was applied to him by others as well.

1439
01:26:25.039 --> 01:26:26.520
<v Speaker 4>He was friends with all the cops.

1440
01:26:26.720 --> 01:26:30.720
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and he would like tell people about it, like

1441
01:26:30.800 --> 01:26:31.720
<v Speaker 2>he would brag about it.

1442
01:26:31.880 --> 01:26:35.199
<v Speaker 4>When he knew he was being tailed. He ended up

1443
01:26:35.239 --> 01:26:37.079
<v Speaker 4>like knowing the guys that were following him, and he

1444
01:26:37.119 --> 01:26:38.479
<v Speaker 4>would like wave at him and shit.

1445
01:26:40.039 --> 01:26:42.960
<v Speaker 2>And from an early age, Ted Bundy also expressed a

1446
01:26:43.039 --> 01:26:47.159
<v Speaker 2>strong interest in pursuing a law enforcement career, and at

1447
01:26:47.239 --> 01:26:53.319
<v Speaker 2>various times worked for the Seattle Crime Prevention Advisory Committee,

1448
01:26:53.920 --> 01:26:59.039
<v Speaker 2>the King County Law and Justice Planning Office, the Seattle

1449
01:26:59.239 --> 01:27:06.079
<v Speaker 2>Crime Committe, and as a self employed law enforcement consultant,

1450
01:27:06.439 --> 01:27:13.520
<v Speaker 2>billing himself as TRB Theodore Robert Bundy Associates, which is

1451
01:27:13.760 --> 01:27:21.439
<v Speaker 2>fucking hysterical to me. He had his own TRB Associates.

1452
01:27:22.119 --> 01:27:24.479
<v Speaker 4>He's a law enforcement consultant.

1453
01:27:25.800 --> 01:27:28.920
<v Speaker 2>And also worked with as we were kind of talking

1454
01:27:28.960 --> 01:27:34.880
<v Speaker 2>about earlier, the True Crime author and Rule. They worked

1455
01:27:34.920 --> 01:27:37.960
<v Speaker 2>out a rape crisis center.

1456
01:27:39.000 --> 01:27:40.279
<v Speaker 4>Good place to get victims.

1457
01:27:42.359 --> 01:27:44.880
<v Speaker 2>Like Ted Bundy worked at a rape crisis center.

1458
01:27:45.000 --> 01:27:48.520
<v Speaker 4>That's always thought like so the irony. Maybe like a

1459
01:27:48.680 --> 01:27:50.960
<v Speaker 4>serial killer looking to get their feet wet could look

1460
01:27:51.000 --> 01:27:53.239
<v Speaker 4>at a suicie work at a suicide.

1461
01:27:54.079 --> 01:27:56.319
<v Speaker 2>Hotline like rape Crisis.

1462
01:27:56.439 --> 01:27:59.640
<v Speaker 4>Pretty sure that Ted Bundy did that, he.

1463
01:27:59.760 --> 01:28:02.520
<v Speaker 2>Really Yeah, my god.

1464
01:28:03.000 --> 01:28:04.800
<v Speaker 4>You think he just talks some people over the edge

1465
01:28:04.840 --> 01:28:06.000
<v Speaker 4>and that's how he got the taste.

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01:28:05.760 --> 01:28:11.079
<v Speaker 2>Of Yeah, no kidding, well it actually because another common

1467
01:28:11.119 --> 01:28:14.640
<v Speaker 2>thread that ties the cases of these men together is

1468
01:28:14.680 --> 01:28:18.399
<v Speaker 2>that most of them had exposure to the depravities that

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01:28:18.479 --> 01:28:24.840
<v Speaker 2>one human can inflict upon another. Kenneth Bionki, for example,

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01:28:25.359 --> 01:28:28.880
<v Speaker 2>worked for a time as an EMT. So did John

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01:28:28.920 --> 01:28:34.560
<v Speaker 2>Wayne Gacy, who also was employed at a mortuary, which

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01:28:34.800 --> 01:28:39.399
<v Speaker 2>is what the intelligence community refers to as blooding. They

1473
01:28:39.439 --> 01:28:44.279
<v Speaker 2>found themselves drawn to the blood and the gore. What

1474
01:28:44.319 --> 01:28:44.640
<v Speaker 2>do you.

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01:28:44.640 --> 01:28:49.199
<v Speaker 4>Think, Well, I mean, it's like an occupation of opportunity.

1476
01:28:49.920 --> 01:28:55.079
<v Speaker 4>Much how we noticed that people who had a hanker

1477
01:28:55.119 --> 01:29:01.560
<v Speaker 4>in for children would maybe work at daycarees, preschools, or churches,

1478
01:29:02.640 --> 01:29:06.000
<v Speaker 4>and so what's not to say that, Like, I'm not

1479
01:29:06.760 --> 01:29:08.560
<v Speaker 4>going to go out on a limb and suggest that

1480
01:29:08.600 --> 01:29:11.359
<v Speaker 4>these people got their taste for blood because they had

1481
01:29:11.359 --> 01:29:13.840
<v Speaker 4>these jobs. But they sought these jobs out because of

1482
01:29:13.840 --> 01:29:14.800
<v Speaker 4>their taste for blood.

1483
01:29:15.199 --> 01:29:18.880
<v Speaker 2>But how does the CIA aspect of this come into

1484
01:29:18.920 --> 01:29:23.239
<v Speaker 2>their blooding fetish?

1485
01:29:23.640 --> 01:29:27.720
<v Speaker 4>Like maybe they had raised red flags that drew attention

1486
01:29:27.800 --> 01:29:28.960
<v Speaker 4>to them. Is that what you mean?

1487
01:29:29.119 --> 01:29:30.560
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I don't know.

1488
01:29:30.760 --> 01:29:33.199
<v Speaker 4>I don't know. I mean I think that you know,

1489
01:29:33.279 --> 01:29:37.560
<v Speaker 4>they have feelers out in many aspects, in many areas

1490
01:29:37.600 --> 01:29:40.680
<v Speaker 4>that we would never even think of. Like we all

1491
01:29:40.720 --> 01:29:43.920
<v Speaker 4>know they watch our Internet search history. So who's to

1492
01:29:43.960 --> 01:29:46.720
<v Speaker 4>not say, you know, I talked about this on a

1493
01:29:46.720 --> 01:29:53.279
<v Speaker 4>podcast of mine recently, where your library reading is put

1494
01:29:53.319 --> 01:29:56.039
<v Speaker 4>into a database. They did a reference to that in

1495
01:29:56.039 --> 01:29:59.000
<v Speaker 4>the movie seven. That's actually how they found out where

1496
01:29:59.000 --> 01:30:06.000
<v Speaker 4>the guy lived. Because so I don't know, if you

1497
01:30:07.039 --> 01:30:08.399
<v Speaker 4>like the sickos.

1498
01:30:07.920 --> 01:30:09.600
<v Speaker 2>That work out of mortuary and.

1499
01:30:09.560 --> 01:30:15.159
<v Speaker 4>Like, yeah, a lot of this stuff like EMTs, for example,

1500
01:30:15.199 --> 01:30:19.039
<v Speaker 4>that's volunteer, like you could, oh.

1501
01:30:19.119 --> 01:30:20.279
<v Speaker 2>Like a volunteer firefighter.

1502
01:30:20.359 --> 01:30:22.800
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, like where I grew up, you were a volunteer firefighter.

1503
01:30:22.880 --> 01:30:28.600
<v Speaker 4>But uh, that also was the case with EMTs. So

1504
01:30:29.920 --> 01:30:32.920
<v Speaker 4>I'm not saying that if you volunteer to be an EMT,

1505
01:30:33.159 --> 01:30:35.399
<v Speaker 4>you go into a database. But I'm also not saying

1506
01:30:35.479 --> 01:30:36.880
<v Speaker 4>that they don't do that.

1507
01:30:36.880 --> 01:30:42.359
<v Speaker 2>That's a good point and actually, in a similar vein

1508
01:30:43.039 --> 01:30:46.600
<v Speaker 2>some might say the entire country is being blooded through

1509
01:30:46.920 --> 01:30:51.760
<v Speaker 2>near constant exposure to a TV and video game diet

1510
01:30:51.920 --> 01:30:57.880
<v Speaker 2>increasingly dominated by scenes of graphic violence. The effect of

1511
01:30:58.000 --> 01:31:01.720
<v Speaker 2>this is to radically de sense. It ties individuals or

1512
01:31:01.760 --> 01:31:06.119
<v Speaker 2>an entire society to appalling levels of bloodshed and carnage.

1513
01:31:06.159 --> 01:31:09.560
<v Speaker 2>But I tend to disagree a little on this, just

1514
01:31:09.680 --> 01:31:14.399
<v Speaker 2>because we talked about it the other day. I used

1515
01:31:14.479 --> 01:31:17.159
<v Speaker 2>The Last House on the Left as an example, but

1516
01:31:17.319 --> 01:31:21.000
<v Speaker 2>you had another movie that you mentioned where it's like

1517
01:31:21.199 --> 01:31:25.039
<v Speaker 2>they say, by playing video games and watching like violent

1518
01:31:25.079 --> 01:31:28.800
<v Speaker 2>shit on TV, it desensitizes you and gives you bloodlust

1519
01:31:28.880 --> 01:31:29.840
<v Speaker 2>or some shit like that.

1520
01:31:29.880 --> 01:31:33.039
<v Speaker 4>But we were having a broader discussion on whether or

1521
01:31:33.039 --> 01:31:37.199
<v Speaker 4>not your brain can tell the difference between violence you

1522
01:31:37.279 --> 01:31:40.560
<v Speaker 4>see on television and violence in real life, and I said,

1523
01:31:41.680 --> 01:31:44.399
<v Speaker 4>I don't think that your brain doesn't know the difference,

1524
01:31:44.680 --> 01:31:47.760
<v Speaker 4>but I do think there's a desensitizing element to it.

1525
01:31:48.239 --> 01:31:50.479
<v Speaker 4>And then we like both came up with our examples

1526
01:31:50.479 --> 01:31:53.319
<v Speaker 4>of like violent scenes and movies that like struck us

1527
01:31:53.359 --> 01:31:56.279
<v Speaker 4>to our core because of how graphic and realistic they were.

1528
01:31:56.479 --> 01:31:56.720
<v Speaker 5>M H.

1529
01:31:57.199 --> 01:32:01.000
<v Speaker 4>But yeah, I do agree that the dissensitive tizing element

1530
01:32:01.079 --> 01:32:06.079
<v Speaker 4>of this stuff cannot be denied. But you I personally

1531
01:32:06.159 --> 01:32:08.640
<v Speaker 4>think that you know the difference between a dead body

1532
01:32:08.640 --> 01:32:11.239
<v Speaker 4>in the street on your way to work and watching

1533
01:32:11.279 --> 01:32:15.039
<v Speaker 4>a show. But there are elements of this stuff that

1534
01:32:15.119 --> 01:32:18.520
<v Speaker 4>we know has been scientifically studying and applied, like the

1535
01:32:18.520 --> 01:32:22.159
<v Speaker 4>military's use of fucking video games. That is real.

1536
01:32:23.439 --> 01:32:27.399
<v Speaker 2>But I mean, do you think it's it's like given

1537
01:32:27.520 --> 01:32:28.680
<v Speaker 2>people a bloodlust.

1538
01:32:29.119 --> 01:32:32.000
<v Speaker 4>Well, something I've always said and I've heard other people

1539
01:32:32.079 --> 01:32:36.399
<v Speaker 4>say it too, is not everyone is as susceptible to

1540
01:32:36.479 --> 01:32:37.279
<v Speaker 4>the programming.

1541
01:32:37.960 --> 01:32:39.600
<v Speaker 2>So I definitely agree with that.

1542
01:32:39.640 --> 01:32:41.960
<v Speaker 4>Not everybody who reads Catcher and the Rise is gonna

1543
01:32:41.960 --> 01:32:43.439
<v Speaker 4>want to go assassinate somebody.

1544
01:32:43.840 --> 01:32:47.840
<v Speaker 2>Did they mention Sir Hans Sirhan with that whose day

1545
01:32:48.479 --> 01:32:51.199
<v Speaker 2>in the documentary when they were talking about they did,

1546
01:32:51.479 --> 01:32:52.000
<v Speaker 2>they did.

1547
01:32:51.960 --> 01:32:55.840
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, back, yeah, the clockworks shining Sir hanser and was

1548
01:32:55.960 --> 01:33:02.439
<v Speaker 4>obviously programmed. They they talked about the is it yeah

1549
01:33:02.479 --> 01:33:06.000
<v Speaker 4>but the driving point or not driving point but psychic

1550
01:33:06.079 --> 01:33:06.920
<v Speaker 4>driving where you.

1551
01:33:06.880 --> 01:33:09.199
<v Speaker 2>Just repeat yeah, that's right, that's right.

1552
01:33:09.319 --> 01:33:15.720
<v Speaker 4>You looked at Han's journals RFK Must Die and they

1553
01:33:15.720 --> 01:33:19.199
<v Speaker 4>were comparing it to all Work and No Play makes

1554
01:33:19.279 --> 01:33:21.640
<v Speaker 4>Jack and Dull Boy, like the psychic driving that was

1555
01:33:21.680 --> 01:33:24.800
<v Speaker 4>probably going on to you know, the Jack Nicholson character.

1556
01:33:26.000 --> 01:33:32.319
<v Speaker 2>It is kind of like I think they use like frequencies,

1557
01:33:32.479 --> 01:33:36.399
<v Speaker 2>flashing lights, stuff like that to like put you in

1558
01:33:36.439 --> 01:33:39.239
<v Speaker 2>a trance like state when you watch certain things, and

1559
01:33:39.279 --> 01:33:43.000
<v Speaker 2>then they insert like the blood and the violence and

1560
01:33:43.039 --> 01:33:46.119
<v Speaker 2>the killing and shit. So maybe they put like subconscious

1561
01:33:46.199 --> 01:33:49.439
<v Speaker 2>programming into your head about that stuff. But like you said,

1562
01:33:49.520 --> 01:33:52.399
<v Speaker 2>I don't think everyone is as susceptible to that shit. No.

1563
01:33:52.520 --> 01:33:57.399
<v Speaker 4>And I will tell you this. Monica Purez knew someone

1564
01:33:57.399 --> 01:34:00.039
<v Speaker 4>who had a family member in the CIA, and I

1565
01:33:59.840 --> 01:34:02.880
<v Speaker 4>also had a friend who said this very same thing.

1566
01:34:03.079 --> 01:34:07.560
<v Speaker 4>His uncle was a professional athlete and a member of

1567
01:34:07.600 --> 01:34:09.960
<v Speaker 4>the NSSA and the CIA, and what he said to

1568
01:34:10.039 --> 01:34:12.479
<v Speaker 4>him was the one thing I can tell you without

1569
01:34:12.520 --> 01:34:15.720
<v Speaker 4>telling you too much is never watch TV. And Monica

1570
01:34:15.760 --> 01:34:19.359
<v Speaker 4>Perez's family connection said the same thing, never watch TV.

1571
01:34:19.720 --> 01:34:22.840
<v Speaker 4>They have done something with it. And don't think that

1572
01:34:22.840 --> 01:34:25.680
<v Speaker 4>doesn't apply to fucking Netflix and Hulu. We're not definitely

1573
01:34:25.680 --> 01:34:28.760
<v Speaker 4>about fucking five basic channels was what they had to

1574
01:34:28.800 --> 01:34:32.279
<v Speaker 4>work with back then, like Poltergeist, I mean, just all

1575
01:34:32.319 --> 01:34:36.000
<v Speaker 4>of it, just the flicker eate of the TV. You know,

1576
01:34:36.119 --> 01:34:40.680
<v Speaker 4>we people have done extensive research into that, and even

1577
01:34:40.800 --> 01:34:45.159
<v Speaker 4>sound frequencies and the changing of music to the hurts

1578
01:34:45.239 --> 01:34:48.279
<v Speaker 4>level that it's at now. So I mean, I think

1579
01:34:48.319 --> 01:34:51.720
<v Speaker 4>it all applies. I think we we lose like the

1580
01:34:51.840 --> 01:34:55.560
<v Speaker 4>nuance of it. Like it's not like it's beaming images

1581
01:34:56.039 --> 01:34:58.760
<v Speaker 4>subliminately into your head as much as it it's able

1582
01:34:58.840 --> 01:35:03.000
<v Speaker 4>to affect your overall state of being by introducing you

1583
01:35:03.039 --> 01:35:03.920
<v Speaker 4>to certain.

1584
01:35:03.880 --> 01:35:06.920
<v Speaker 2>Light and that I definitely agree with.

1585
01:35:07.760 --> 01:35:11.159
<v Speaker 4>But then, yeah, violent video games, that's a whole other thing.

1586
01:35:11.840 --> 01:35:13.520
<v Speaker 4>What's the science they've put in there.

1587
01:35:15.600 --> 01:35:19.000
<v Speaker 2>A lot of the high profile serial killers also had

1588
01:35:19.079 --> 01:35:24.520
<v Speaker 2>weird connections to political parties. I think we touched on

1589
01:35:24.560 --> 01:35:27.079
<v Speaker 2>this a little bit in the last episode.

1590
01:35:26.680 --> 01:35:29.159
<v Speaker 4>Like with Bundy, we did.

1591
01:35:29.439 --> 01:35:35.159
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well, in this example, I have Gacy because despite

1592
01:35:35.960 --> 01:35:41.119
<v Speaker 2>Gacy being a fucking criminal, he had a high enough

1593
01:35:41.159 --> 01:35:46.319
<v Speaker 2>security clearance to have a face to face meeting with

1594
01:35:46.560 --> 01:35:51.760
<v Speaker 2>then first Lady Rosalind Carter, And I mean, how many

1595
01:35:51.800 --> 01:35:55.640
<v Speaker 2>people do you know, I mean, think about that he

1596
01:35:55.720 --> 01:35:58.119
<v Speaker 2>had a face to face meeting with the first Lady

1597
01:35:58.239 --> 01:36:00.680
<v Speaker 2>despite the fact that he was a fucking well.

1598
01:36:00.600 --> 01:36:02.800
<v Speaker 4>There's the famous photo of them together.

1599
01:36:03.800 --> 01:36:09.199
<v Speaker 2>And Ted Bundy we did talk about was connected to

1600
01:36:09.319 --> 01:36:13.800
<v Speaker 2>various Republican parties and was they always put that in

1601
01:36:13.840 --> 01:36:16.359
<v Speaker 2>the documentaries. I feel like that's kind of well known

1602
01:36:16.399 --> 01:36:21.000
<v Speaker 2>about him, that he was they actually was using him

1603
01:36:21.000 --> 01:36:24.680
<v Speaker 2>to like go spy and then come back and like

1604
01:36:24.920 --> 01:36:32.199
<v Speaker 2>tell them it was it's all convoluted mess. But anyways, Yeah.

1605
01:36:30.520 --> 01:36:34.800
<v Speaker 4>So he would like dress up and go to the Democratics.

1606
01:36:33.840 --> 01:36:37.079
<v Speaker 2>Yes, and then go back and like tell yeah.

1607
01:36:36.800 --> 01:36:38.319
<v Speaker 4>It sounds like Nicky on Big Love.

1608
01:36:38.600 --> 01:36:44.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah it does. And kind of wrapping up here, before

1609
01:36:45.000 --> 01:36:47.720
<v Speaker 2>we take a closer look at the stories of these men,

1610
01:36:47.920 --> 01:36:51.159
<v Speaker 2>you should know that the era in which their crimes

1611
01:36:51.199 --> 01:36:55.720
<v Speaker 2>were committed was a time when reported cases of multiple

1612
01:36:55.760 --> 01:37:01.800
<v Speaker 2>personality disorder skyrocketed. Before the deck of the nineteen seventies

1613
01:37:01.960 --> 01:37:05.920
<v Speaker 2>was over twice as many cases of multiple personality disorder

1614
01:37:06.039 --> 01:37:10.319
<v Speaker 2>had been reported just in that ten year span then

1615
01:37:10.479 --> 01:37:15.760
<v Speaker 2>in the previous one hundred years, which is absolutely astounding.

1616
01:37:15.880 --> 01:37:18.840
<v Speaker 2>Think about that. And it's all to do with the

1617
01:37:18.880 --> 01:37:22.279
<v Speaker 2>programs as we were. I mean, I think we've said

1618
01:37:22.279 --> 01:37:26.119
<v Speaker 2>it a million times, but I mean in nineteen seventy,

1619
01:37:27.479 --> 01:37:31.399
<v Speaker 2>what was it, nineteen seventy to what nineteen eighty, twice

1620
01:37:31.479 --> 01:37:36.319
<v Speaker 2>as many cases of multiple personality disorder. Then in the

1621
01:37:36.359 --> 01:37:38.560
<v Speaker 2>previous one hundred years.

1622
01:37:38.239 --> 01:37:41.560
<v Speaker 4>Well, and much like the false memory syndrome that was

1623
01:37:41.640 --> 01:37:44.319
<v Speaker 4>kind of presented by the very people that were very

1624
01:37:44.399 --> 01:37:48.840
<v Speaker 4>much involved in the Satanic ortol abuse, there was a

1625
01:37:49.079 --> 01:37:54.319
<v Speaker 4>mass effort to even I think they were trying to

1626
01:37:54.319 --> 01:37:58.079
<v Speaker 4>say that multiple personality disorder wasn't real, that it was

1627
01:37:58.119 --> 01:38:02.800
<v Speaker 4>a condition that was faked. Yeah, uh huh. That's a

1628
01:38:02.840 --> 01:38:05.800
<v Speaker 4>great example because her doctor came out with this whole

1629
01:38:05.840 --> 01:38:07.880
<v Speaker 4>thing saying she was in love with him and she

1630
01:38:08.000 --> 01:38:10.840
<v Speaker 4>was also and that he like discredited her entire case.

1631
01:38:10.880 --> 01:38:13.000
<v Speaker 4>But this was stuff that was going on and still

1632
01:38:13.039 --> 01:38:16.079
<v Speaker 4>goes on to this day, I think, where it's not

1633
01:38:17.640 --> 01:38:20.399
<v Speaker 4>accepted that it's even a real disorder. South Perk again

1634
01:38:20.439 --> 01:38:22.880
<v Speaker 4>has a great episode on that what's it called, I

1635
01:38:22.880 --> 01:38:24.640
<v Speaker 4>don't remember, but.

1636
01:38:24.760 --> 01:38:30.199
<v Speaker 2>We got to watch it. There are indications that all

1637
01:38:30.279 --> 01:38:34.640
<v Speaker 2>of these alleged killers suffered to varying degrees from a

1638
01:38:34.720 --> 01:38:39.600
<v Speaker 2>dissociative disorder. Bionkey was diagnosed as such by a number

1639
01:38:39.680 --> 01:38:45.560
<v Speaker 2>of therapists, though this diagnosis was disputed by others, including

1640
01:38:45.640 --> 01:38:51.920
<v Speaker 2>the CIA's own Martin Orne and Margaret Singer. Did you

1641
01:38:52.039 --> 01:38:58.800
<v Speaker 2>know that that's crazy, isn't it? They they literally diagnosed

1642
01:38:58.840 --> 01:39:03.600
<v Speaker 2>him like a million times, and then these assholes were like, Oh, no,

1643
01:39:03.800 --> 01:39:08.920
<v Speaker 2>he doesn't have it. Nothing to see here, folks, He's

1644
01:39:09.000 --> 01:39:11.079
<v Speaker 2>just walking around with seven personalities.

1645
01:39:11.119 --> 01:39:17.039
<v Speaker 4>That's just you know, theater Ted Robert.

1646
01:39:18.159 --> 01:39:25.359
<v Speaker 2>Actually, since you mentioned it, he was never formally diagnosed,

1647
01:39:26.199 --> 01:39:31.399
<v Speaker 2>but Ted Bundy displayed unmistakable signs of a dissociative disorder

1648
01:39:31.439 --> 01:39:35.479
<v Speaker 2>as well. Not only could Bundy's personality change at a

1649
01:39:35.520 --> 01:39:40.479
<v Speaker 2>moment's notice, but his physical appearance could as well. Bundy

1650
01:39:40.640 --> 01:39:45.039
<v Speaker 2>had a chameleon likability to alter his appearance, an ability

1651
01:39:45.079 --> 01:39:48.479
<v Speaker 2>that is clearly displayed in the numerous photos of him

1652
01:39:48.479 --> 01:39:52.840
<v Speaker 2>that are plastered in documentaries. A neighbor of his in

1653
01:39:52.920 --> 01:39:59.560
<v Speaker 2>Florida once offered this observation, quote, he always looked different.

1654
01:40:00.039 --> 01:40:02.960
<v Speaker 2>I don't know. Sometimes he just didn't even look like

1655
01:40:03.039 --> 01:40:06.920
<v Speaker 2>the same person at all. End quote, which if you

1656
01:40:07.000 --> 01:40:11.119
<v Speaker 2>look at pictures of him, they say that he has

1657
01:40:11.279 --> 01:40:15.279
<v Speaker 2>dead eyes like he does. His physical appearance does change.

1658
01:40:16.119 --> 01:40:20.119
<v Speaker 2>And it made me think of split kind of you

1659
01:40:20.159 --> 01:40:27.960
<v Speaker 2>know how, like with each personality there was like physical changes,

1660
01:40:29.039 --> 01:40:31.960
<v Speaker 2>and so I mean, what do you think about that?

1661
01:40:32.720 --> 01:40:34.159
<v Speaker 4>I don't know. It makes me think of a lot

1662
01:40:34.199 --> 01:40:40.279
<v Speaker 4>of things, like these people being actors, these these people

1663
01:40:40.319 --> 01:40:43.920
<v Speaker 4>being possessed, really people being practiced.

1664
01:40:44.000 --> 01:40:45.680
<v Speaker 2>Oh that's a good word to use.

1665
01:40:45.880 --> 01:40:50.239
<v Speaker 4>Well fractured psychologically, but I mean you're talking about the

1666
01:40:50.359 --> 01:40:53.119
<v Speaker 4>Christian angle of it, and a lot of people think

1667
01:40:53.159 --> 01:40:57.960
<v Speaker 4>this is possession. But I always said that, Yeah, they

1668
01:40:57.960 --> 01:41:00.840
<v Speaker 4>were possessed. But was it safe or was it the

1669
01:41:00.880 --> 01:41:02.279
<v Speaker 4>fucking CIA or was.

1670
01:41:02.199 --> 01:41:05.680
<v Speaker 2>It just not Satan himself? But like a demon? Well,

1671
01:41:05.720 --> 01:41:09.359
<v Speaker 2>I mean I think there's bad spirit. Yeah, do you

1672
01:41:09.399 --> 01:41:10.039
<v Speaker 2>believe in that?

1673
01:41:11.039 --> 01:41:12.359
<v Speaker 4>I do believe in possession.

1674
01:41:12.399 --> 01:41:14.880
<v Speaker 2>I mean I don't like not like do you believe

1675
01:41:14.880 --> 01:41:18.039
<v Speaker 2>in it like Emily Rose, like Reagan in the Exorcist style?

1676
01:41:18.319 --> 01:41:20.960
<v Speaker 4>Or like what do I think there's something to all

1677
01:41:21.039 --> 01:41:24.239
<v Speaker 4>that you do? Okay, But a really good movie is

1678
01:41:24.319 --> 01:41:26.760
<v Speaker 4>Fallen with Denzel Washington.

1679
01:41:27.359 --> 01:41:28.800
<v Speaker 2>Is it about split personality?

1680
01:41:29.000 --> 01:41:32.880
<v Speaker 4>No, he's dealing with a serial killer and it's a

1681
01:41:32.920 --> 01:41:36.239
<v Speaker 4>demon that can go through people by touch.

1682
01:41:36.680 --> 01:41:37.479
<v Speaker 2>Oh my god.

1683
01:41:37.800 --> 01:41:40.119
<v Speaker 4>And so he thinks he has the serial killer and

1684
01:41:40.159 --> 01:41:42.920
<v Speaker 4>then that's the demon of the serial killer just finds

1685
01:41:42.960 --> 01:41:43.560
<v Speaker 4>a new host.

1686
01:41:44.000 --> 01:41:47.239
<v Speaker 2>Oh my god? Do you think that could be what

1687
01:41:47.319 --> 01:41:47.720
<v Speaker 2>this is?

1688
01:41:48.560 --> 01:41:51.159
<v Speaker 4>I mean I entertain all sorts of ideas.

1689
01:41:51.159 --> 01:41:53.680
<v Speaker 2>It's not like like the person has to go to jail,

1690
01:41:53.680 --> 01:41:56.000
<v Speaker 2>but the demon just goes set a loose into the

1691
01:41:56.039 --> 01:41:56.720
<v Speaker 2>next person.

1692
01:41:57.199 --> 01:42:00.279
<v Speaker 4>Why not, I mean the stranger things have happened.

1693
01:42:00.119 --> 01:42:03.119
<v Speaker 2>Like they seia like open their minds up to let

1694
01:42:03.159 --> 01:42:03.880
<v Speaker 2>the demon come in.

1695
01:42:04.000 --> 01:42:06.840
<v Speaker 4>Well, that's what I always thought, Like, why take all

1696
01:42:06.840 --> 01:42:10.199
<v Speaker 4>the time to fracture somebody if you're not trying to

1697
01:42:10.239 --> 01:42:11.479
<v Speaker 4>put something else in there?

1698
01:42:11.840 --> 01:42:12.359
<v Speaker 2>The driver?

1699
01:42:13.000 --> 01:42:17.800
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, yeah, you're programming whom. I mean, there's a certain

1700
01:42:17.920 --> 01:42:20.560
<v Speaker 4>aspect of that person that's still there and able to

1701
01:42:21.039 --> 01:42:24.560
<v Speaker 4>maintain the body. But I'm not willing to rule out

1702
01:42:24.600 --> 01:42:27.359
<v Speaker 4>anything as far as possession goes. But I'm also saying

1703
01:42:27.399 --> 01:42:30.399
<v Speaker 4>that it might not be that complicated that you could

1704
01:42:30.439 --> 01:42:31.399
<v Speaker 4>just program people.

1705
01:42:31.840 --> 01:42:33.520
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

1706
01:42:33.600 --> 01:42:33.840
<v Speaker 12>Well.

1707
01:42:35.439 --> 01:42:42.039
<v Speaker 2>An investigator on the Bundy case named Joe Alloy claimed

1708
01:42:42.199 --> 01:42:46.600
<v Speaker 2>that he once observed Bundy react to a particularly stressful

1709
01:42:46.640 --> 01:42:53.720
<v Speaker 2>situation by spontaneously and quite radically altering his physical appearance.

1710
01:42:54.520 --> 01:42:59.520
<v Speaker 2>Ted's body and muscular tone changed remarkably, and he suddenly

1711
01:42:59.560 --> 01:43:04.640
<v Speaker 2>became sweaty and begin admitting a noticeable odor, probably from

1712
01:43:04.680 --> 01:43:10.880
<v Speaker 2>all the dead puss coming back to haunt him.

1713
01:43:11.119 --> 01:43:13.720
<v Speaker 4>All the victims' families could see us laughy.

1714
01:43:16.199 --> 01:43:22.279
<v Speaker 2>Are we heartless? But how do you change your smell?

1715
01:43:23.680 --> 01:43:24.039
<v Speaker 4>Demon?

1716
01:43:24.159 --> 01:43:34.560
<v Speaker 2>Sticks? But that goes that that supports our demon theory.

1717
01:43:34.640 --> 01:43:35.319
<v Speaker 4>I guess.

1718
01:43:36.640 --> 01:43:37.680
<v Speaker 2>What do you mean.

1719
01:43:38.520 --> 01:43:42.359
<v Speaker 4>I don't have a demon theory. You do, So I'm

1720
01:43:42.359 --> 01:43:43.840
<v Speaker 4>willing to entertain all sorts of shit.

1721
01:43:45.039 --> 01:43:48.680
<v Speaker 2>Although John Wayne Gacy did not have the ability to

1722
01:43:48.720 --> 01:43:52.520
<v Speaker 2>alter his physical appearance, because have you seen him, he's

1723
01:43:52.560 --> 01:43:56.359
<v Speaker 2>a big, fat fuck, his personality could change in a

1724
01:43:56.439 --> 01:44:01.520
<v Speaker 2>split second. Gaysey was viewed by many as a pillar

1725
01:44:01.640 --> 01:44:05.239
<v Speaker 2>of the community, a man who was politically active and

1726
01:44:05.720 --> 01:44:10.239
<v Speaker 2>well connected, who gave his time freely to entertain children,

1727
01:44:10.760 --> 01:44:15.119
<v Speaker 2>who was a valued neighbor, who regularly hosted parties with

1728
01:44:15.239 --> 01:44:19.800
<v Speaker 2>hundreds of guests, and who was a successful businessman and

1729
01:44:19.880 --> 01:44:23.680
<v Speaker 2>a loving father. On the other hand, he also had

1730
01:44:23.720 --> 01:44:29.359
<v Speaker 2>the unique distinction of being convicted of thirty three counts

1731
01:44:29.359 --> 01:44:33.159
<v Speaker 2>of first degree murder. How are we to reconcile these

1732
01:44:33.199 --> 01:44:36.319
<v Speaker 2>two sides of John Wayne Gacy? And I say thirty

1733
01:44:36.399 --> 01:44:40.640
<v Speaker 2>three because I feel like that's ritualistic.

1734
01:44:40.119 --> 01:44:46.000
<v Speaker 4>Obviously, but I mean to bring Dexter back. In the

1735
01:44:46.039 --> 01:44:50.359
<v Speaker 4>first season of Dexter, he's really driving home the point

1736
01:44:50.439 --> 01:44:53.640
<v Speaker 4>of how he has to appear in the eyes of

1737
01:44:53.640 --> 01:44:58.319
<v Speaker 4>the community. So first of all, he's entertaining children again,

1738
01:45:00.479 --> 01:45:04.680
<v Speaker 4>occupation of opportunity, but also like he was a pillar

1739
01:45:04.720 --> 01:45:05.640
<v Speaker 4>of his community.

1740
01:45:06.079 --> 01:45:08.960
<v Speaker 2>Well, I will say watching the John Wayne Gacy tapes

1741
01:45:09.039 --> 01:45:11.840
<v Speaker 2>on Netflix, Oh.

1742
01:45:12.000 --> 01:45:14.720
<v Speaker 7>John akay, what I tell you is what I know

1743
01:45:15.359 --> 01:45:15.840
<v Speaker 7>is fat.

1744
01:45:16.640 --> 01:45:17.640
<v Speaker 6>I'm a power person.

1745
01:45:18.239 --> 01:45:19.159
<v Speaker 2>I enjoy power.

1746
01:45:19.720 --> 01:45:21.119
<v Speaker 3>So we all had to get to pull up that.

1747
01:45:21.159 --> 01:45:21.800
<v Speaker 10>I pulled up.

1748
01:45:24.479 --> 01:45:24.760
<v Speaker 1>Again.

1749
01:45:27.279 --> 01:45:29.720
<v Speaker 7>Police today found six more bodies.

1750
01:45:29.399 --> 01:45:33.199
<v Speaker 10>Under the home of suspected killer John Gaysey.

1751
01:45:34.079 --> 01:45:36.119
<v Speaker 7>Well, you can be walking down the street and if

1752
01:45:36.159 --> 01:45:38.479
<v Speaker 7>Casey lay eyes on you know you have now become

1753
01:45:38.560 --> 01:45:39.319
<v Speaker 7>his next victim.

1754
01:45:39.439 --> 01:45:42.359
<v Speaker 4>And too, you're kind of hunt. I'll do anything you want.

1755
01:45:42.479 --> 01:45:49.279
<v Speaker 7>Just told Bust that's scary. Everybody from the neighborhood new

1756
01:45:49.359 --> 01:45:50.199
<v Speaker 7>Jack Gaysey that.

1757
01:45:50.279 --> 01:45:52.479
<v Speaker 1>Was founding and appearing in it at least at a

1758
01:45:52.560 --> 01:45:53.520
<v Speaker 1>fifteen parade.

1759
01:45:53.600 --> 01:45:55.920
<v Speaker 7>He was also a Democratic precinct captain.

1760
01:45:56.159 --> 01:45:59.520
<v Speaker 4>He seemed very personable, very friendly, but he could turn.

1761
01:45:59.359 --> 01:46:01.640
<v Speaker 7>On a dime. There is a right way, there's a

1762
01:46:01.720 --> 01:46:04.960
<v Speaker 7>wrong way, and there's my way. Was he insane or

1763
01:46:05.039 --> 01:46:05.640
<v Speaker 7>was he evil?

1764
01:46:08.720 --> 01:46:11.920
<v Speaker 9>Had a young, clean cut par look to be gay.

1765
01:46:11.760 --> 01:46:14.920
<v Speaker 2>In the nineteen seventies, so it was so much prejudice.

1766
01:46:15.079 --> 01:46:18.159
<v Speaker 4>We find out that, yeah, there's a kid he worked

1767
01:46:18.159 --> 01:46:19.960
<v Speaker 4>from Jacy. I haven't seen him in a while.

1768
01:46:20.039 --> 01:46:22.640
<v Speaker 7>I know this guy he worked there. He's missing too.

1769
01:46:22.840 --> 01:46:25.279
<v Speaker 2>A lot of officers were telling parents they're runaways.

1770
01:46:25.359 --> 01:46:27.760
<v Speaker 4>You're killing back in a day now. A lot of

1771
01:46:27.800 --> 01:46:30.800
<v Speaker 4>conversations with and with good luck with that.

1772
01:46:31.359 --> 01:46:34.039
<v Speaker 1>I just feeling shooted again in my life with.

1773
01:46:34.359 --> 01:46:38.279
<v Speaker 4>His sexual urges that came out as range.

1774
01:46:38.520 --> 01:46:41.840
<v Speaker 7>I heard a clique behind me. It was a revolver

1775
01:46:42.399 --> 01:46:43.640
<v Speaker 7>and he had it pointed.

1776
01:46:43.439 --> 01:46:44.000
<v Speaker 13>At my head.

1777
01:46:44.880 --> 01:46:46.680
<v Speaker 4>Nobody wants to accept what the hell I say.

1778
01:46:46.920 --> 01:46:49.239
<v Speaker 7>He was playing a he can't mouse game with the

1779
01:46:49.239 --> 01:46:49.960
<v Speaker 7>police department.

1780
01:46:50.039 --> 01:46:52.319
<v Speaker 4>He can't let Jacy go. If he tries to leave,

1781
01:46:52.359 --> 01:46:54.920
<v Speaker 4>you got to shoot his tires out. Whatever it was there,

1782
01:46:55.359 --> 01:46:58.640
<v Speaker 4>we had to find it. I'm accused of it too much.

1783
01:46:58.720 --> 01:46:59.920
<v Speaker 7>I guys to go out and do it.

1784
01:47:00.760 --> 01:47:01.840
<v Speaker 4>I don't even know if I shill.

1785
01:47:02.760 --> 01:47:06.279
<v Speaker 1>I have no remar I don't get away with anything.

1786
01:47:07.000 --> 01:47:08.119
<v Speaker 1>I don't get away with murder.

1787
01:47:15.520 --> 01:47:18.520
<v Speaker 2>I was able to sit through the Dahmer tapes and

1788
01:47:18.560 --> 01:47:23.920
<v Speaker 2>the Bundee tapes without any problem, easy, peasy, breezy. The

1789
01:47:24.079 --> 01:47:26.640
<v Speaker 2>gay Sy tapes made me sick to my stomach. It

1790
01:47:26.720 --> 01:47:28.880
<v Speaker 2>was hard for me to sit through them. It made

1791
01:47:28.880 --> 01:47:32.439
<v Speaker 2>me nauseous. He's so fucking ugly and fat, and he

1792
01:47:32.520 --> 01:47:36.760
<v Speaker 2>looks like he stinks and he just has like the

1793
01:47:36.800 --> 01:47:41.479
<v Speaker 2>grossest fucking nasty and then like he would be like,

1794
01:47:41.680 --> 01:47:45.880
<v Speaker 2>I'm not gay, I'm bisexual. I learned that from the

1795
01:47:45.960 --> 01:47:49.760
<v Speaker 2>military or whatever he said, and then he would he

1796
01:47:49.800 --> 01:47:51.479
<v Speaker 2>would rape and murder these boys.

1797
01:47:52.479 --> 01:47:55.439
<v Speaker 4>Well, there's a difference between being a homosexual and a child.

1798
01:47:55.359 --> 01:47:58.760
<v Speaker 2>Killer, right, he was like, I'm not gay, I'm.

1799
01:47:58.680 --> 01:48:01.399
<v Speaker 4>By It's kind of like Kevin Spacey's defense when he

1800
01:48:01.439 --> 01:48:04.680
<v Speaker 4>first got called out. He's like, did I fuck that

1801
01:48:04.720 --> 01:48:07.159
<v Speaker 4>fifteen year old? I have always been into both men

1802
01:48:07.199 --> 01:48:07.720
<v Speaker 4>and women.

1803
01:48:09.119 --> 01:48:11.199
<v Speaker 2>Like, what does that have to do with anything? You're

1804
01:48:11.319 --> 01:48:12.920
<v Speaker 2>fucking murdering of raping case.

1805
01:48:13.039 --> 01:48:16.279
<v Speaker 4>Well, I listened to this series of tapes from a

1806
01:48:16.319 --> 01:48:22.640
<v Speaker 4>guy who is talking with Gasey, and the guy Gacy

1807
01:48:22.840 --> 01:48:24.600
<v Speaker 4>just kept coming on to him and like trying to

1808
01:48:24.600 --> 01:48:26.359
<v Speaker 4>get him to come visit, and the guy just kind

1809
01:48:26.359 --> 01:48:28.439
<v Speaker 4>of played along and acted like he was, you know,

1810
01:48:28.840 --> 01:48:31.800
<v Speaker 4>not shutting him out entirely just to get him to

1811
01:48:31.840 --> 01:48:36.960
<v Speaker 4>keep talking. So Gaysey was gay, Gasey was gay, baby

1812
01:48:37.000 --> 01:48:39.359
<v Speaker 4>Gasey was bisexual. I'm not taking it from him.

1813
01:48:39.800 --> 01:48:45.680
<v Speaker 2>He didn't murder one girl fair enough, So I mean,

1814
01:48:45.760 --> 01:48:50.600
<v Speaker 2>obviously we see where his sexual appetite was for young boys. Yeah,

1815
01:48:50.800 --> 01:48:54.359
<v Speaker 2>wasn't nothing to do with buy But so, I mean,

1816
01:48:56.079 --> 01:48:59.560
<v Speaker 2>men such as Gacy are usually said to be sociopaths.

1817
01:49:00.199 --> 01:49:04.960
<v Speaker 2>They're said to be lacking a conscience. The persona that

1818
01:49:05.159 --> 01:49:07.680
<v Speaker 2>is presented to the public is said to be nothing

1819
01:49:07.720 --> 01:49:13.159
<v Speaker 2>more than an elaborate ruse, an emotionless facade disguising the

1820
01:49:13.199 --> 01:49:18.239
<v Speaker 2>monster within. But is it not just as likely, if

1821
01:49:18.279 --> 01:49:22.640
<v Speaker 2>not more so, that the public self put on display

1822
01:49:22.880 --> 01:49:28.039
<v Speaker 2>is in fact a legitimate personality, separate and distinct from

1823
01:49:28.039 --> 01:49:32.359
<v Speaker 2>the one that does the killing. And when the monster emerges,

1824
01:49:33.239 --> 01:49:38.079
<v Speaker 2>does this represent the facade slipping away or an alter

1825
01:49:38.279 --> 01:49:44.840
<v Speaker 2>personality emerging or is there any difference? Is this sociopath

1826
01:49:45.000 --> 01:49:50.760
<v Speaker 2>label not just another way of describing multiple personality disorder.

1827
01:49:53.159 --> 01:49:55.760
<v Speaker 4>I mean there's a lot of nuance to that, Like

1828
01:49:58.119 --> 01:50:01.159
<v Speaker 4>I think all can be true, like what you kind

1829
01:50:01.159 --> 01:50:04.039
<v Speaker 4>of just wrapped up with, But I think in some

1830
01:50:04.079 --> 01:50:07.479
<v Speaker 4>instances there are there is a level of programming where

1831
01:50:07.800 --> 01:50:11.840
<v Speaker 4>the regular driver of the body is completely tied up

1832
01:50:11.840 --> 01:50:16.319
<v Speaker 4>in the back seat and blindfolded, or maybe like with

1833
01:50:16.439 --> 01:50:20.840
<v Speaker 4>cases of gaycy, you are just a fucking monster and

1834
01:50:21.199 --> 01:50:23.520
<v Speaker 4>you understand that you've got to fool a lot of

1835
01:50:23.560 --> 01:50:24.960
<v Speaker 4>people to do what you want to do.

1836
01:50:26.079 --> 01:50:30.600
<v Speaker 2>I think both can be true, definitely, because like Paul

1837
01:50:30.640 --> 01:50:37.000
<v Speaker 2>Banasi is not a serial killer, but he helped and

1838
01:50:37.159 --> 01:50:38.680
<v Speaker 2>like which personality was.

1839
01:50:38.640 --> 01:50:41.600
<v Speaker 4>At well, I think he was the ban I think

1840
01:50:41.600 --> 01:50:43.960
<v Speaker 4>it was a young person doing what they needed to

1841
01:50:44.000 --> 01:50:46.840
<v Speaker 4>do to survive. In Paul Banazi's.

1842
01:50:46.279 --> 01:50:49.800
<v Speaker 2>Case, Yeah, but was that like his his was that

1843
01:50:49.880 --> 01:50:53.039
<v Speaker 2>Paul Banasi or was that a personality that they made

1844
01:50:53.039 --> 01:50:54.880
<v Speaker 2>that would be complacent with that shit?

1845
01:50:55.119 --> 01:50:59.119
<v Speaker 4>Well, a lot of times, if you're constantly in a

1846
01:50:59.199 --> 01:51:02.479
<v Speaker 4>situation that you don't want to face as being your reality,

1847
01:51:02.560 --> 01:51:06.960
<v Speaker 4>then yeah, you might vacate and create an altar. So

1848
01:51:07.119 --> 01:51:10.039
<v Speaker 4>maybe Paul couldn't tick that he was, you know, recruiting

1849
01:51:10.079 --> 01:51:13.560
<v Speaker 4>young boys off the street, doing this to lead them

1850
01:51:13.560 --> 01:51:18.039
<v Speaker 4>to the same fit he had already gone through. But yeah,

1851
01:51:18.079 --> 01:51:19.800
<v Speaker 4>I think there's a lot of nuance too. But I

1852
01:51:19.840 --> 01:51:24.000
<v Speaker 4>think that in some cases there is complete like shattering

1853
01:51:24.079 --> 01:51:24.960
<v Speaker 4>of your persona.

1854
01:51:25.119 --> 01:51:27.800
<v Speaker 2>Does it not remind you of the Changeling with Angelina

1855
01:51:27.920 --> 01:51:34.800
<v Speaker 2>Julie what Paul Banazi was doing, because in that movie,

1856
01:51:34.840 --> 01:51:38.000
<v Speaker 2>there was the main boy that went and recruited all

1857
01:51:38.000 --> 01:51:40.439
<v Speaker 2>the younger boys and then they went back to like

1858
01:51:40.520 --> 01:51:41.399
<v Speaker 2>the chicken farm.

1859
01:51:42.319 --> 01:51:44.119
<v Speaker 4>I totally forgot about that aspect of them.

1860
01:51:44.279 --> 01:51:47.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and he's the serial killer said in that movie

1861
01:51:47.880 --> 01:51:50.119
<v Speaker 2>that if you get one of the older boys to

1862
01:51:50.199 --> 01:51:53.600
<v Speaker 2>do it, the younger boys will trust him and he

1863
01:51:53.640 --> 01:51:55.399
<v Speaker 2>doesn't even have to do the work anymore.

1864
01:51:55.840 --> 01:52:01.880
<v Speaker 4>Well, in another movie is Prisoners with Hugh Jackman and

1865
01:52:02.000 --> 01:52:07.000
<v Speaker 4>Jake Chillenhall, where Paul Daniel spoiler alert if no one's

1866
01:52:07.319 --> 01:52:11.239
<v Speaker 4>out there hasn't seen this movie, plug your ears. But

1867
01:52:11.720 --> 01:52:14.520
<v Speaker 4>the Paul Daniel character is who they think is the killer,

1868
01:52:14.560 --> 01:52:17.520
<v Speaker 4>but he's really just doing the recruiting for his grandparents.

1869
01:52:17.880 --> 01:52:21.079
<v Speaker 2>Because if you're a high enough level of a like

1870
01:52:21.720 --> 01:52:24.399
<v Speaker 2>serial killer, you don't even have to get your victims anymore.

1871
01:52:24.439 --> 01:52:28.159
<v Speaker 2>You can just have like train one of your victims

1872
01:52:28.199 --> 01:52:29.439
<v Speaker 2>to bring you more victims.

1873
01:52:29.720 --> 01:52:33.359
<v Speaker 4>Yeah. And is that like an excessive level of Stockholm

1874
01:52:33.479 --> 01:52:36.319
<v Speaker 4>or is it just like I said earlier, maybe a

1875
01:52:36.359 --> 01:52:37.720
<v Speaker 4>path to your own survival.

1876
01:52:38.319 --> 01:52:42.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. So in the next episode, we're gonna be taking

1877
01:52:42.880 --> 01:52:45.359
<v Speaker 2>an even closer look at these serial killers and the

1878
01:52:45.359 --> 01:52:49.720
<v Speaker 2>crimes attributed to them. Is it really as we're made

1879
01:52:49.760 --> 01:52:53.680
<v Speaker 2>to believe? Kind of like what I said in the

1880
01:52:53.720 --> 01:52:56.840
<v Speaker 2>first episode with the twigs and berries with Ted Bundy.

1881
01:52:57.720 --> 01:53:00.840
<v Speaker 2>We're gonna get into something you mean, which is he

1882
01:53:00.880 --> 01:53:03.760
<v Speaker 2>couldn't have been in two places at one time, kind

1883
01:53:03.760 --> 01:53:07.800
<v Speaker 2>of like some of the ship couldn't have been him.

1884
01:53:08.000 --> 01:53:10.079
<v Speaker 2>And we're gonna get a little bit farther into that,

1885
01:53:10.359 --> 01:53:15.920
<v Speaker 2>maybe some more Gacy and Manson stuff. But yeah, what

1886
01:53:15.960 --> 01:53:16.840
<v Speaker 2>do you think so far?

1887
01:53:19.319 --> 01:53:21.000
<v Speaker 4>I am fractured?

1888
01:53:24.920 --> 01:53:30.399
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, me too. Thank you so much for listening. I

1889
01:53:30.439 --> 01:53:34.319
<v Speaker 2>hope you learned a lot of shit. And until next time,

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<v Speaker 2>there is one very important, vital piece of information I

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<v Speaker 2>need you to learn just as soon as humanly possible.

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<v Speaker 4>People of strange.

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<v Speaker 13>When you're a strange, faces look ugly when you're all alone, women,

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01:53:59.359 --> 01:54:05.520
<v Speaker 13>single kid, when you're own. Word streets are uneven when

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01:54:05.560 --> 01:54:10.760
<v Speaker 13>you're down. When you're straight, faces come out of the

1896
01:54:11.079 --> 01:54:18.800
<v Speaker 13>rain when you're strange. No, when remelts were known. When

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01:54:18.800 --> 01:54:29.720
<v Speaker 13>you're straight, when you're strange, when stray bull straight when

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<v Speaker 13>you're a stranger, face is not gonely when you're alone,

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<v Speaker 13>when let's see way.

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<v Speaker 4>Kid, what's that a lot? What do you mean?

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<v Speaker 2>And of particular significance?

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<v Speaker 7>What did I right here?

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<v Speaker 2>You know?

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<v Speaker 1>They?

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<v Speaker 2>Are you able to get out deier than me? Can

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<v Speaker 2>you get me some toilet paper. Baby, I need to

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01:55:03.720 --> 01:55:06.399
<v Speaker 2>blow my nose so bad. I have like a bubble

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<v Speaker 2>in the back of my throat. HM. Fuck me. If

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<v Speaker 2>I could just not be thick for like two weeks,

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<v Speaker 2>that would be great. Fungus, fungus, I'm us I have

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<v Speaker 2>a fungus? Where'd I get it? Broke your apphone words? M,

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<v Speaker 2>I thought I misspelled word for a second. I must

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<v Speaker 2>be filling my line.

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<v Speaker 4>Can you get me a tu.

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<v Speaker 2>Kenneth Bonacci from the Hillside Stranglers, Biyanki Byonkie? Are you

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<v Speaker 2>sure I've always said Beyonce Binacci, Binacci Binachi? Are you positive? Okay, Bianki?

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<v Speaker 2>Since Kenneth, why aren't you laughing at me? Just doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>it look like Bananchi binanch Bonacci? No, I'm gonna take

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<v Speaker 2>your word for it because I've only ever read the name.

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<v Speaker 2>I've never heard it pronounced to what it's funny. I've

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<v Speaker 2>never heard of pronounced babe. Can't I can't say him

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<v Speaker 2>because you said it? Okay strong Britney?

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<v Speaker 4>What it was obviously a funny joke?

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<v Speaker 2>Strong to saying it Beyonkey? Can it beyond.

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<v Speaker 10>M?

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<v Speaker 2>Why that's funny? Babe? Why are you laughing at me.

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<v Speaker 10>Screen?

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<v Speaker 2>What I don't mean. I don't even think I typed

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<v Speaker 2>it right through near constant exposure to TV and video

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<v Speaker 2>game diet.

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<v Speaker 4>Mm hmm. I tell you out of the jokes later.

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<v Speaker 3>Give to me a moment.

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<v Speaker 14>Yeah, yes, sorry, Are you sorry?

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<v Speaker 5>I guess so.

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<v Speaker 2>We're done.

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<v Speaker 4>A better

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<v Speaker 1>Mach