WEBVTT 1 00:00:04.639 --> 00:01:16.680 Will you wait, miss Welcome back to another midnight viewing 2 00:01:16.840 --> 00:01:21.760 Noise Junkies crossover. My god, it's becoming a trend. Welcome back, 3 00:01:21.840 --> 00:01:25.840 mister HP, composer of the weirding Way Media Network and 4 00:01:26.239 --> 00:01:29.680 certainly a frequent collaborator here, host of Noise Junkies, host 5 00:01:29.840 --> 00:01:33.959 of Night, mister Walters, and my good pal he's a 6 00:01:34.040 --> 00:01:37.319 music man by trade, mister HP. How are you, sir? 7 00:01:37.799 --> 00:01:39.879 I couldn't be more thrilled. I feel like I say 8 00:01:39.879 --> 00:01:44.000 this every time follom alone, but this is I'm so excited. 9 00:01:44.079 --> 00:01:46.799 This is such a such an awesome movie for us 10 00:01:46.840 --> 00:01:48.239 to dig into, so excited. 11 00:01:49.040 --> 00:01:53.040 We certainly seem to be going down the list of 12 00:01:53.760 --> 00:01:59.280 childhood musical related films. Last we did Sergeant Pepper before, 13 00:02:00.319 --> 00:02:02.640 and that was a cable box theater one. But here's 14 00:02:02.680 --> 00:02:04.760 this one's going out to everybody. Yeah, of course it 15 00:02:04.840 --> 00:02:08.000 is anyway, the movie we're talking about this time, Directed 16 00:02:08.000 --> 00:02:12.199 by Walter Hill, written by John Fusco, starring Joe Seneca, 17 00:02:12.759 --> 00:02:18.560 Jamie Gertz, Ralph Mancio and Steve I and Joe Martin. 18 00:02:19.479 --> 00:02:24.840 It's Crossroads, not to the Britney Spears movie. 19 00:02:26.599 --> 00:02:31.039 There's a place where deals are made and legends are born. 20 00:02:32.319 --> 00:02:39.280 And there was a kid they called Lightning Boy. He 21 00:02:39.439 --> 00:02:42.560 was searching for the lost song. You could be the 22 00:02:42.639 --> 00:02:46.280 first man to record it for a piece of fame 23 00:02:46.759 --> 00:02:48.000 and fortune. 24 00:02:47.879 --> 00:02:50.360 Like Clapton did with Crossrooms, Rolling Stones did it with 25 00:02:50.400 --> 00:02:51.039 love and van. 26 00:02:52.400 --> 00:02:54.759 And he was looking to get him there. 27 00:02:55.039 --> 00:02:59.159 Welcome to Bruceville, Son. This is a real thing to say. 28 00:02:59.319 --> 00:03:02.800 No, Lighting Boy and blind What the hell are you 29 00:03:02.800 --> 00:03:03.520 guys supposed to be? 30 00:03:04.840 --> 00:03:05.960 I'm a bluesman. 31 00:03:06.120 --> 00:03:07.280 He's from Long Island. 32 00:03:07.759 --> 00:03:09.120 Oh and he's the Mississippi Street. 33 00:03:09.199 --> 00:03:10.039 I'm ready to roll. 34 00:03:10.680 --> 00:03:13.360 You need a lot more than that, you know. 35 00:03:13.400 --> 00:03:15.000 The owner walked up to will We did three one 36 00:03:15.039 --> 00:03:16.439 hundred dollars dolls and says you're. 37 00:03:16.319 --> 00:03:19.479 Barking play only one blues man in town to night? 38 00:03:19.639 --> 00:03:20.240 Who was met? 39 00:03:21.759 --> 00:03:25.039 I choke you, dude, and you get knocked on your 40 00:03:29.199 --> 00:03:32.800 There's a place where deals are made. 41 00:03:32.879 --> 00:03:34.400 And you made your deal with the Crossroads. 42 00:03:34.639 --> 00:03:35.560 Yeah, I made a deal. 43 00:03:36.080 --> 00:03:38.039 Oh I get you want some kind of contest. 44 00:03:37.719 --> 00:03:39.000 Huh. 45 00:03:40.879 --> 00:03:44.560 Where a thin line separates the good? I'm giving you 46 00:03:44.639 --> 00:03:48.560 all the magic I got from the Great Woo Brown 47 00:03:48.639 --> 00:03:52.479 cent Eugene Morton is ready to cross it. 48 00:04:01.960 --> 00:04:05.800 HP. Yes, I'm gonna go out on a limb and 49 00:04:05.879 --> 00:04:08.960 say that this was not your first time seeing Crossroads. 50 00:04:09.280 --> 00:04:12.560 Oh, no, this was. This would have been nineteen eighty six. 51 00:04:12.719 --> 00:04:15.159 This was a big cable movie. I didn't see this 52 00:04:15.240 --> 00:04:20.519 one in the theater, so I saw it probably dozens 53 00:04:20.519 --> 00:04:23.519 of times in its day, but since then I've rewatched 54 00:04:23.560 --> 00:04:26.959 it many times. This was a real formative film for 55 00:04:27.120 --> 00:04:30.519 me in becoming a guitar player. I honestly this. I'm 56 00:04:30.519 --> 00:04:33.759 not ashamed to say that this probably inspired me to 57 00:04:33.800 --> 00:04:36.040 pick up the guitar and start taking lessons. 58 00:04:36.240 --> 00:04:38.680 Oh I had thought you had already been playing guitar 59 00:04:38.720 --> 00:04:40.160 by the time you had seen this movie. 60 00:04:40.759 --> 00:04:44.600 No, because that would have been about thirteen when this 61 00:04:44.720 --> 00:04:49.000 movie came out, or thereabouts. I probably look I might 62 00:04:49.040 --> 00:04:52.759 have started taking lessons right around the time. But certainly 63 00:04:53.040 --> 00:04:56.759 this was something between this and I would say, in 64 00:04:57.160 --> 00:05:00.319 a funny way, back to the future, seeing Martin fly 65 00:05:00.439 --> 00:05:03.639 up there at the Enchantment, under Sea Dance playing Johnny 66 00:05:03.680 --> 00:05:07.199 b Good, cheesy as hell. I'm a kid of the suburbs, 67 00:05:07.240 --> 00:05:09.639 but these things got me excited to learn how to 68 00:05:09.680 --> 00:05:12.079 play guitar. And you could do a lot worse than 69 00:05:12.120 --> 00:05:14.839 see Steve I up there as Jack Butler doing his thing, 70 00:05:14.879 --> 00:05:16.360 but we'll talk about him momentarily. 71 00:05:16.959 --> 00:05:19.959 Indeed, we will. You know what, We're gonna dive right 72 00:05:20.000 --> 00:05:23.040 into this movie. But the nominal plot, such as it is, 73 00:05:23.160 --> 00:05:26.480 finds Ralph Manteo, a student of Juilliard in New York 74 00:05:26.519 --> 00:05:31.120 City who is become obsessed with the blues, and more 75 00:05:31.279 --> 00:05:34.959 importantly obsessed with the legend of Robert Johnson, the famous 76 00:05:35.040 --> 00:05:38.920 bluesman who was purported to have gone to the crossroads 77 00:05:38.920 --> 00:05:41.279 and sold his soul to the devil in order to 78 00:05:41.439 --> 00:05:44.759 play the guitar better than anyone on earth, and then 79 00:05:44.800 --> 00:05:47.639 gave us twenty nine songs, but they were supposed to 80 00:05:47.639 --> 00:05:51.560 be thirty. Eugene, Ralph Macchio's character thinks he's found a 81 00:05:51.639 --> 00:05:55.040 guy who knew Robert Johnson was his harmonica player, Willie Brown, 82 00:05:55.279 --> 00:05:58.279 in a nursing home right there in the heart of Manhattan. 83 00:05:58.839 --> 00:06:02.279 He's trying to get that song. It's a tantalizing premise. 84 00:06:02.399 --> 00:06:06.240 Yes, yeah, it's funny because this was really Ralf Macchio's 85 00:06:06.319 --> 00:06:10.480 second sort of apprentice type movies. He obviously the Karate 86 00:06:10.560 --> 00:06:14.120 Kid just before this. While he was making this and 87 00:06:14.519 --> 00:06:17.720 taking guitar lessons, he was also taking karate lessons for 88 00:06:17.800 --> 00:06:21.120 the upcoming at that point, Karate Kid Part two, So 89 00:06:21.199 --> 00:06:24.120 his days were pretty full and he was I believe 90 00:06:24.120 --> 00:06:27.199 he was twenty five at the time, playing seventeen years 91 00:06:27.240 --> 00:06:29.439 old in this movie and doing a great job of it. 92 00:06:29.839 --> 00:06:32.439 He's a good actor. I mean, I certainly think he's 93 00:06:32.480 --> 00:06:34.879 good in the role. I don't know he's pulling off seventeen. 94 00:06:35.560 --> 00:06:38.800 I think he is. There's a confidence and an awkwardness. 95 00:06:39.240 --> 00:06:43.000 I think he's obviously he lets that shine a little 96 00:06:43.000 --> 00:06:45.199 more in Karate Kid because he's firmly a high school 97 00:06:45.279 --> 00:06:47.279 kid there. But I think in this he's supposed to 98 00:06:47.360 --> 00:06:51.560 be a guitar prodigy, a classical guitar prodigy. By the way, 99 00:06:51.600 --> 00:06:54.319 did you happen to see one of our favorite actors 100 00:06:54.319 --> 00:06:57.519 in a little cameo as his guitar teacher, Helen Arbus 101 00:06:57.600 --> 00:07:02.079 He was on Mash. He's like an Alan Alda type 102 00:07:02.439 --> 00:07:06.879 who he was in Mash. He was Carlos Navarone's manager 103 00:07:07.079 --> 00:07:08.879 in the taxi episode. 104 00:07:08.439 --> 00:07:10.720 Where they That's where I know I'm from. 105 00:07:11.040 --> 00:07:14.040 He's mister sensitivity. He didn't have his mustache. That's the 106 00:07:14.040 --> 00:07:18.160 only thing. That's why I didn't notice it at first, But. 107 00:07:17.319 --> 00:07:21.079 The thing is HB. I'm conversant in mash but I 108 00:07:21.240 --> 00:07:22.839 really did not watch that show. 109 00:07:23.519 --> 00:07:26.680 I didn't either, but I just he I guess I'm 110 00:07:26.720 --> 00:07:30.560 just such a fan of Alan Arbus and it's a 111 00:07:30.600 --> 00:07:33.199 delight when I see him pop up on My only 112 00:07:33.240 --> 00:07:35.279 problem with him here is he has a very ill 113 00:07:35.319 --> 00:07:40.079 advised accent that was totally unnecessary for it, doing my 114 00:07:40.160 --> 00:07:41.000 guitar teacher. 115 00:07:40.800 --> 00:07:44.120 Yeah, doing like a Brahm and upper krusty snow. 116 00:07:44.240 --> 00:07:47.639 I thought it was more like an Eastern European kind 117 00:07:47.639 --> 00:07:51.120 of as if maybe he was Russian or something. That's 118 00:07:51.160 --> 00:07:51.959 what I got out of it. 119 00:07:52.000 --> 00:07:54.519 Oh, I thought he was doing an impression of William Daniels, 120 00:07:54.519 --> 00:07:55.279 the voice of Kit. 121 00:07:56.639 --> 00:08:00.120 Not at all, Not at all, but but not. I 122 00:08:00.439 --> 00:08:02.839 really love Ralph Macchio in this. I like everybody in 123 00:08:02.879 --> 00:08:05.279 this really, there's I can't point to. There's only one 124 00:08:05.279 --> 00:08:08.959 aspect of his performance that bugs me even now after 125 00:08:09.000 --> 00:08:13.800 all these years. And there's a few geeky guitar type things. 126 00:08:12.160 --> 00:08:18.279 Oh yeah, boy, we're gonna disagree fundamentally about a lot 127 00:08:18.319 --> 00:08:19.160 of things in this movie. 128 00:08:19.160 --> 00:08:21.079 It seems we might, we just might. 129 00:08:21.240 --> 00:08:24.079 This is a Walter Hill film. I don't think there's 130 00:08:24.079 --> 00:08:27.439 any better action director at that time. I think there 131 00:08:27.439 --> 00:08:30.360 are better action directors now. I certainly think action films 132 00:08:30.399 --> 00:08:34.799 have come up to his level in some regards, but 133 00:08:35.200 --> 00:08:38.399 none will ever come up to the level of macho 134 00:08:38.559 --> 00:08:42.240 masculinity that Walter Hill was always striving for. And of 135 00:08:42.279 --> 00:08:44.440 course he's just trying to get up to the level 136 00:08:44.440 --> 00:08:47.840 of Sam Peckinpah, which I don't think he ever quite achieved. 137 00:08:47.919 --> 00:08:51.240 But man, he tried really hard, and in some cases 138 00:08:51.320 --> 00:08:54.159 that meant stepping away from action and doing a movie 139 00:08:54.240 --> 00:08:57.840 like this, which he's the perfect guy to do it. 140 00:08:58.000 --> 00:08:59.960 And I don't really see the downside to his direction 141 00:09:00.320 --> 00:09:01.080 here at all. 142 00:09:01.639 --> 00:09:04.480 I don't either. The remarkable thing for me, and doing 143 00:09:04.480 --> 00:09:07.039 more research on this is I did not realize that 144 00:09:07.120 --> 00:09:10.120 this was an R rated movie, and for the life 145 00:09:10.159 --> 00:09:12.759 of me, Father Malone, I can't figure out on what 146 00:09:12.879 --> 00:09:14.000 basis it was rated. 147 00:09:14.039 --> 00:09:16.080 Are they say fuck a lot? 148 00:09:16.600 --> 00:09:19.039 I guess they do. It just seems rather tame compared 149 00:09:19.080 --> 00:09:22.240 to what you can do nowadays. But it's certainly not 150 00:09:22.279 --> 00:09:26.360 a violent movie. It's not sexually explicit, but I guess 151 00:09:26.480 --> 00:09:28.960 for on the basis of language alone, I guess I 152 00:09:28.960 --> 00:09:30.840 could see that, but it seems a little unfair. 153 00:09:31.399 --> 00:09:33.679 Yeah, it does. It's not like anyone was going to 154 00:09:33.720 --> 00:09:37.279 be damaged by watching this mild tale of a boy 155 00:09:37.440 --> 00:09:40.600 checking or rescuing an old man from a nursing home 156 00:09:40.639 --> 00:09:43.519 and helping him get back to his home before he dies, 157 00:09:43.679 --> 00:09:45.399 or possibly preventing that. 158 00:09:45.960 --> 00:09:47.679 But I think if we're gonna dig into this I 159 00:09:47.679 --> 00:09:50.639 think the first thing we need to talk about is, 160 00:09:50.759 --> 00:09:53.159 let's talk about the screenwriter, John Fussco. 161 00:09:54.080 --> 00:09:55.159 Right now. 162 00:09:55.759 --> 00:09:57.840 I don't know I'm gonna call him. Let's go fuse 163 00:09:57.879 --> 00:09:59.200 go is probably. 164 00:09:58.879 --> 00:10:02.039 I'm going I continue to call him Feusco. If I'm wrong, 165 00:10:02.080 --> 00:10:04.080 I apologize, mister Fusco. 166 00:10:04.360 --> 00:10:09.000 And I apologize. I apologize, right So let Fusco now 167 00:10:09.200 --> 00:10:13.200 this he was enrolled at was at NYU. He was 168 00:10:13.240 --> 00:10:16.799 He was on the screenwriting track at NYU, and this 169 00:10:17.000 --> 00:10:21.679 was his master's thesis, this screenplay. Now he was. He 170 00:10:21.720 --> 00:10:24.360 was a blues musician. He was somebody who I think 171 00:10:24.360 --> 00:10:28.480 he played guitar, and from what I have read, he 172 00:10:28.639 --> 00:10:31.600 was told by his doctor that he had to take 173 00:10:31.679 --> 00:10:34.440 some time off from singing because he had damaged his 174 00:10:34.519 --> 00:10:37.200 vocal cords or something. And in the meantime, he was 175 00:10:37.279 --> 00:10:41.080 taking time off from playing music. And his girlfriend worked 176 00:10:41.080 --> 00:10:42.879 at a nursing home and she said there was an 177 00:10:42.879 --> 00:10:46.720 old African American fellow there who played harmonica, and this 178 00:10:46.879 --> 00:10:52.399 inspired Fusco Fusco, excuse me to start writing this screenplay, 179 00:10:52.440 --> 00:10:54.600 and eventually I think he sold it for something like 180 00:10:54.679 --> 00:10:57.519 two hundred and fifty grand, which I would guess in 181 00:10:57.559 --> 00:11:00.240 eighty six eighty five was that's a lot. There's a 182 00:11:00.240 --> 00:11:02.679 lot of money anyway, but it's probably way more about 183 00:11:02.720 --> 00:11:03.240 half a million. 184 00:11:03.279 --> 00:11:05.200 Now, that's a huge sum man. 185 00:11:05.960 --> 00:11:08.000 But let me ask you, father Malone, this is yes, 186 00:11:08.480 --> 00:11:11.200 this is really a rhetorical question. What else would we 187 00:11:11.279 --> 00:11:13.519 know John Fusco from. 188 00:11:13.960 --> 00:11:16.200 I know that I certainly know him from Young Guns 189 00:11:16.240 --> 00:11:19.600 and Young Guns two in particular. Now, ye, you say 190 00:11:19.639 --> 00:11:21.759 the names of those movies and people just brush them off. 191 00:11:21.879 --> 00:11:24.840 Soh the Brent Packwestern AHAs, and that's silly, is not fun. 192 00:11:24.840 --> 00:11:27.320 They're trying to play cowboys and shit right, And I 193 00:11:27.799 --> 00:11:30.440 to a degree, I agree with that for the first film, 194 00:11:30.759 --> 00:11:33.559 because it does feel a little stunt castie. Look at 195 00:11:33.559 --> 00:11:38.279 all these young studs out there riding and roping and 196 00:11:38.320 --> 00:11:41.200 on the range. The second film, however, which is the 197 00:11:41.240 --> 00:11:45.159 actual story of Billy the Kid, and Pat Garrett is 198 00:11:45.480 --> 00:11:49.840 my favorite cinematic interpretation of their story, and I am 199 00:11:49.879 --> 00:11:52.360 fully aware of Peck and Pom's Pat Garrett and Billy 200 00:11:52.399 --> 00:11:54.759 the Kid's existence. I've seen it in the theater. I've 201 00:11:54.759 --> 00:11:57.000 seen the extended cut. I love the movie. I listened 202 00:11:57.000 --> 00:11:59.320 to the soundtrack just the other day. Young Guns two 203 00:11:59.399 --> 00:12:02.519 is a better presentation of that story between those two guys, 204 00:12:02.519 --> 00:12:05.159 and John Fusco's script is the fucking reason why it 205 00:12:05.279 --> 00:12:09.080 is so well researched. It throws off a historical fact 206 00:12:09.720 --> 00:12:14.879 with a plome like. It's very economical, giving you all 207 00:12:14.919 --> 00:12:18.960 the facts of those two guys' lives while never ceasing 208 00:12:19.000 --> 00:12:21.840 to be a rip roaring, fucking action movie. It's the 209 00:12:22.000 --> 00:12:23.000 rarest of films. 210 00:12:24.000 --> 00:12:28.120 I love Young Guns too, Love. I enjoyed the first one, 211 00:12:28.279 --> 00:12:31.039 but like you, I fucking loved the second one. I 212 00:12:31.039 --> 00:12:34.240 saw it in the theater. I'm I'm no student of 213 00:12:34.279 --> 00:12:38.159 Western cinema. I will admit that, so I'm sure that 214 00:12:38.200 --> 00:12:41.759 there's probably it's somewhat derivative of other movies that came 215 00:12:41.799 --> 00:12:44.480 before it. But to your point, I think it's so 216 00:12:44.639 --> 00:12:50.399 economically written, and it's for it being another in this 217 00:12:50.480 --> 00:12:54.440 sort of brat pack type Western movies you had the 218 00:12:54.480 --> 00:12:58.200 balls to have they all died. They it would have 219 00:12:58.240 --> 00:13:00.360 been so easy for them to set it up for 220 00:13:00.399 --> 00:13:03.919 another sequel because these stars were all hot. They could 221 00:13:03.919 --> 00:13:07.080 have probably made another few of these movies. But yet 222 00:13:07.840 --> 00:13:12.240 everyone died. They're not presented glamorously at all. It's a 223 00:13:12.279 --> 00:13:14.360 fantastic But we're not here to talk about young guns too. 224 00:13:14.399 --> 00:13:15.639 But I am here to say. 225 00:13:15.360 --> 00:13:17.720 We're talking about John Fiusco and this is one of 226 00:13:17.720 --> 00:13:19.840 his things, So I. 227 00:13:19.759 --> 00:13:22.000 Love it, So I'm you know, I'm a fan of 228 00:13:22.000 --> 00:13:25.600 his work, and I was surprised when I don't remember 229 00:13:25.600 --> 00:13:28.879 when I learned this, but to learn that he wrote Crossroads, 230 00:13:28.879 --> 00:13:31.360 which is one of my all time favorites. In addition, 231 00:13:32.159 --> 00:13:34.000 was really cool to learn. 232 00:13:34.240 --> 00:13:36.120 And what it is a really good script. I have 233 00:13:36.240 --> 00:13:38.080 some problems with it. It feels a bit like a 234 00:13:38.120 --> 00:13:41.120 first screenplay to me, but I do love when you 235 00:13:41.200 --> 00:13:45.559 hear someone's master's thesis goes immediately to film. The other 236 00:13:45.600 --> 00:13:48.600 one that immediately springs to mind is what's his name? 237 00:13:48.759 --> 00:13:51.960 Gregory Widen was the name of that screenwriter and then, 238 00:13:52.000 --> 00:13:54.080 which is funny because he had been a firefighter and 239 00:13:54.080 --> 00:13:58.279 would eventually write the screenplay for backdraft. You would think 240 00:13:58.320 --> 00:13:59.639 that would have been his lead. 241 00:13:59.480 --> 00:14:01.600 Off back because that's what he knows best. 242 00:14:01.759 --> 00:14:03.480 Yeah, what you know, it is No, I think my 243 00:14:03.480 --> 00:14:06.600 first greenplay will be about immortals fighting with swords in 244 00:14:06.639 --> 00:14:08.320 New York City in the modern times. 245 00:14:08.720 --> 00:14:11.639 And yet that's what will That's what is, That's what 246 00:14:11.679 --> 00:14:13.919 he's best known for. That is what has given him 247 00:14:13.960 --> 00:14:16.879 that cult status. Right, they're even still talking about remaking 248 00:14:16.960 --> 00:14:19.919 Highlander even now forty years later. It could be a 249 00:14:20.039 --> 00:14:22.200 very good thing and a very bad thing. We'll have 250 00:14:22.200 --> 00:14:22.519 to say. 251 00:14:22.559 --> 00:14:26.159 I'm cautiously optimistic. Henry Cavill as the Highlander. I'm okay 252 00:14:26.200 --> 00:14:26.519 with that. 253 00:14:27.039 --> 00:14:30.039 Oh, he's got I like Henry Cavill because he feels 254 00:14:30.120 --> 00:14:33.080 like a geek that was just born into this Adonnis 255 00:14:33.159 --> 00:14:35.440 type body. I think his heart's in the right place, 256 00:14:35.559 --> 00:14:35.759 I think. 257 00:14:35.840 --> 00:14:39.360 And we'll finally hear Connor MacLeod do a proper Scottish accent. 258 00:14:39.919 --> 00:14:42.159 If I'm looking at this movie with a bit more 259 00:14:42.240 --> 00:14:46.799 of a critical eye towards theme, one could look at 260 00:14:46.799 --> 00:14:49.519 this and see this as an example of just some 261 00:14:49.600 --> 00:14:51.720 white kid who's got to come in and be the 262 00:14:51.799 --> 00:14:56.159 savior for an African American and need I don't subscribe 263 00:14:56.200 --> 00:14:57.639 to that point of view. I think it's just a 264 00:14:57.639 --> 00:15:01.679 good story. But I could see somebody looking at this saying, yeah, 265 00:15:01.679 --> 00:15:04.919 maybe not the best look. But if no other reason, 266 00:15:05.039 --> 00:15:08.399 this was made in nineteen eighty five, eighty six. I 267 00:15:08.440 --> 00:15:10.480 think I'm going to give it a pass. I'm not 268 00:15:10.519 --> 00:15:14.559 about to cancel this because I think maybe thematically there's 269 00:15:14.600 --> 00:15:20.000 some hinky stuff to our modern day eyes. But I 270 00:15:20.080 --> 00:15:21.559 just had to put that out there because it is 271 00:15:21.600 --> 00:15:23.720 something that you could probably dig into if you wanted to. 272 00:15:24.159 --> 00:15:26.000 Here's the last thing I'll say about John Fisco. He 273 00:15:26.039 --> 00:15:29.240 had a movie in twenty nineteen called The Highwaymen with 274 00:15:29.399 --> 00:15:32.679 Kevin Costner and Woody Harrelson, about these two Texas Rangers 275 00:15:32.720 --> 00:15:35.000 who are hunting down Bonnie and Clyde, which is also 276 00:15:35.080 --> 00:15:38.639 really great. So everyone checked that out. Now to the 277 00:15:38.679 --> 00:15:42.639 white savior point you were making, Yeah, that's what I 278 00:15:42.639 --> 00:15:44.879 thought when I saw this movie. I saw this movie 279 00:15:44.879 --> 00:15:47.399 in the theater, by the way, because I mentioned it. 280 00:15:47.480 --> 00:15:50.759 Walter Hill is one of my all time favorite filmmakers. 281 00:15:50.759 --> 00:15:54.159 Walter Hill directed The Warriors, he directed Forty eight Hours, 282 00:15:54.480 --> 00:15:57.799 he directed he'd eventually direct Deadwood when that came out. 283 00:15:58.080 --> 00:16:00.759 He did another forty eight hours. That's a great one too. 284 00:16:00.879 --> 00:16:01.919 No it's not, it's terrible. 285 00:16:02.080 --> 00:16:02.600 Oh it's not. 286 00:16:03.200 --> 00:16:06.679 Anyway, he is a favorite of mine, and of course 287 00:16:06.799 --> 00:16:08.720 any new film of his I was going to go see, 288 00:16:08.759 --> 00:16:11.879 so it was definitely involved in this. Now, okay, you 289 00:16:11.879 --> 00:16:15.679 know what, let's before we head further into this, let's 290 00:16:15.679 --> 00:16:19.639 just talk about the music for a moment, because the 291 00:16:19.720 --> 00:16:23.039 music in this film nominally is composed by Ry Cooter, 292 00:16:23.279 --> 00:16:28.080 and he is a frequent Walter Hill collaborator, starting back 293 00:16:28.080 --> 00:16:31.759 in nineteen eighty I think was Southern Comfort and everything 294 00:16:32.000 --> 00:16:35.399 up until I want to say maybe Geronimo. He did 295 00:16:35.440 --> 00:16:38.559 all of his scores. Now, Ry Cooter is a legendary 296 00:16:38.919 --> 00:16:43.320 Los Angeles session musician and a renowned bluesman. I think 297 00:16:43.799 --> 00:16:46.519 the first album of his I bought was The Slide Area. 298 00:16:46.919 --> 00:16:50.080 It's from nineteen eighty one, which is all pedal steel 299 00:16:50.960 --> 00:16:53.519 and very reminiscent of what we're going to get here. 300 00:16:53.720 --> 00:16:56.440 Of course, I wouldn't have known to go buy any 301 00:16:56.440 --> 00:16:59.360 of his stuff until after this movie came out, But 302 00:16:59.759 --> 00:17:02.480 I think this movie is what sort of cemented in 303 00:17:02.480 --> 00:17:05.480 my mind that this is his musician. This is Walter 304 00:17:05.599 --> 00:17:08.240 Hill's guide to go to guy and to look further 305 00:17:08.319 --> 00:17:12.799 into him. Fine, when we'll get to raycot fun before that, 306 00:17:13.200 --> 00:17:15.960 would you or would you not agree that the majority 307 00:17:16.079 --> 00:17:19.400 of white suburban America's introduction to the blues are thanks 308 00:17:19.440 --> 00:17:21.599 to mister Dan Ackroyd and John Belugi. 309 00:17:22.039 --> 00:17:27.640 Unquestionably, we were indoctrinated when we were so young, father Malone, 310 00:17:27.680 --> 00:17:32.000 watching The Blues Brothers the movie. So many great R 311 00:17:32.079 --> 00:17:34.759 and B and blues musicians in that and we didn't 312 00:17:34.799 --> 00:17:38.319 know it wasn't I didn't know who Ray Charles or 313 00:17:38.400 --> 00:17:40.519 James Brown or any of these people. 314 00:17:40.200 --> 00:17:43.440 Were, or John Lee Hooker or John. 315 00:17:43.279 --> 00:17:46.200 Lee Hooker is He's the best example. He's somebody I 316 00:17:46.200 --> 00:17:49.240 mean who I mean. At least James Brown was known 317 00:17:49.319 --> 00:17:52.640 as this towering R and B figure, But John Lee 318 00:17:52.720 --> 00:17:55.559 Hooker was always on the cusp of just being a 319 00:17:55.599 --> 00:17:59.480 bit unknown. But hearing Boogie Chilling on the radio there 320 00:17:59.519 --> 00:18:01.920 and seeing him perform in the streets of Chicago. 321 00:18:02.200 --> 00:18:12.160 I love that talta glad that take it like that? 322 00:18:14.680 --> 00:18:25.240 How that was certainly my first exposure to the quote 323 00:18:25.279 --> 00:18:28.519 unquote real blues and not something that was like white 324 00:18:28.559 --> 00:18:31.240 blues appropriated from England in the sixties. 325 00:18:31.279 --> 00:18:34.480 So there is a current of resurgence of the Blues 326 00:18:34.559 --> 00:18:38.119 going on around this time period anyway, And I think 327 00:18:38.119 --> 00:18:40.279 if there's a if there's a filmmaker who would have 328 00:18:40.319 --> 00:18:42.640 the Wherewithal the ghett a movie made about the Blues, 329 00:18:42.920 --> 00:18:46.640 it would be Walter Hill at this time, and also 330 00:18:46.759 --> 00:18:49.400 the juice to get it made at this time. Although 331 00:18:49.559 --> 00:18:53.480 I'm a little confused because he had just had Streets 332 00:18:53.519 --> 00:18:58.319 of Fire, which was a terrible, horrible failure of a 333 00:18:58.400 --> 00:19:01.039 film financially. I love that movie. 334 00:19:02.359 --> 00:19:06.119 Crossroads wasn't like the last movie that he made that 335 00:19:06.240 --> 00:19:09.079 was a big budget studio movie. I'm looking at his IMDb. 336 00:19:09.519 --> 00:19:12.680 He did remember Trespass with Iced t Oh yeah, he did. 337 00:19:12.799 --> 00:19:14.839 Johnny Hansome, Oh yeah, of course. 338 00:19:15.119 --> 00:19:17.079 And you know what what's funny is when you mentioned 339 00:19:17.079 --> 00:19:19.319 those movies to me, the first thing that comes to 340 00:19:19.359 --> 00:19:23.279 mind is the grinding guitar scores by Ry Cooter. 341 00:19:24.039 --> 00:19:27.480 Right. I think for me, the last sort of big 342 00:19:27.519 --> 00:19:31.039 budget studio picture that I remember him making was probably 343 00:19:31.200 --> 00:19:34.279 Last Man Standing, which was that the Bruce Willis. I 344 00:19:34.279 --> 00:19:35.960 think it was like a remake of was it. 345 00:19:36.119 --> 00:19:40.160 First Fistful of Dollars? Yo Jimbo and now Jimbo? 346 00:19:40.400 --> 00:19:44.200 Yes, But after that, I think he started moving into 347 00:19:44.400 --> 00:19:47.319 a little bit more TV. He did still get undisputed 348 00:19:47.359 --> 00:19:48.880 with ving Rains and a few other things. 349 00:19:48.920 --> 00:19:51.519 But you know about that Yo Jimbo thing. Ya Jimbo 350 00:19:51.920 --> 00:19:56.240 is an unofficial adaptation of The Glass Key by Dashal Hammett, right, 351 00:19:56.279 --> 00:19:59.200 which is a gangster movie. I did not know that 352 00:19:59.279 --> 00:20:01.599 gangster novel. Right, So he makes you Jimbo, turns it 353 00:20:01.640 --> 00:20:05.440 into a samurai film, and then the Anion Maraconi, not 354 00:20:05.440 --> 00:20:08.000 any of Macaroni, fucking what's his name? 355 00:20:08.519 --> 00:20:09.920 Oh oh, Sergiolioni. 356 00:20:10.079 --> 00:20:13.480 Yeah, so then Sergioleni says, hey, that samurai thing, that 357 00:20:13.480 --> 00:20:15.720 would make a good Western and turns it into a Western. 358 00:20:15.759 --> 00:20:18.039 And then Walter Hill says, hey, you know that western 359 00:20:18.119 --> 00:20:19.680 that'd make a good gangster film. 360 00:20:20.000 --> 00:20:23.720 Yeah. It's like a game of telephone where it just 361 00:20:23.799 --> 00:20:25.920 keeps getting pulled away from the ear. 362 00:20:25.960 --> 00:20:28.359 It is because that original book it takes place in 363 00:20:28.400 --> 00:20:31.039 like Chicago or something like that. It's just a normal 364 00:20:31.160 --> 00:20:33.759 town that this gang war is taking place. And by 365 00:20:33.799 --> 00:20:35.480 the time it gets to Waldo Hills, fim, it's like 366 00:20:35.519 --> 00:20:39.759 this post apocalyptic like border town where there's nothing but gangsters. 367 00:20:40.400 --> 00:20:45.079 So Ralph Maccio's guitar coach for this movie was a 368 00:20:45.079 --> 00:20:49.119 guy named Arlen Roth. Okay, Arlon Roth, I believe can 369 00:20:49.200 --> 00:20:53.799 lay claim to being the first sort of guitar guy 370 00:20:54.119 --> 00:20:58.039 who put out a series of like VHS lessons like 371 00:20:58.079 --> 00:21:00.880 hot Licks or something. It was called right, So he 372 00:21:01.119 --> 00:21:05.559 ostensibly taught Ralf Maccio, if not how to play the music, 373 00:21:05.599 --> 00:21:08.160 at least how to mime it as good as he 374 00:21:08.200 --> 00:21:11.319 could do it. So it's my understanding. Although obviously ry 375 00:21:11.400 --> 00:21:16.759 Cooter is credited as the guy did the soundtrack, it's 376 00:21:16.799 --> 00:21:19.440 my understanding that a lot of the slide guitar stuff 377 00:21:19.480 --> 00:21:23.079 that you hear, the stuff that Eugene plays throughout the movie, 378 00:21:23.119 --> 00:21:24.799 a lot of that, A good portion of that is 379 00:21:24.839 --> 00:21:29.839 actually Arlen Roth playing the music. But for some odd 380 00:21:29.880 --> 00:21:32.359 reason that I no one ever, no one seems to 381 00:21:32.400 --> 00:21:38.480 really know or convey. Arlen Roth's credit on Crossroads is 382 00:21:38.519 --> 00:21:42.839 all but xcized. He's not credited anywhere in the music credits. 383 00:21:42.880 --> 00:21:46.279 I don't believe he may have a credit somewhere for 384 00:21:47.039 --> 00:21:50.480 guitar teacher or something. But I do want to say 385 00:21:50.799 --> 00:21:52.839 I want to make sure credit is given where credit 386 00:21:52.920 --> 00:21:56.400 is due. I do believe that I'm not going to 387 00:21:56.480 --> 00:21:58.839 sit here and say that Arlon Roth did everything, but 388 00:21:59.200 --> 00:22:01.640 I think he did a lot more that he's credited 389 00:22:01.720 --> 00:22:05.160 for doing, which is zero. So I thought that was interesting. 390 00:22:05.799 --> 00:22:09.240 Do we have any idea of what particularly is his 391 00:22:09.599 --> 00:22:11.400 in the film or on the soundtral. 392 00:22:11.160 --> 00:22:14.599 No, we don't, that's the thing. It's it all. We don't, 393 00:22:14.759 --> 00:22:17.200 and I don't. Frankly, I don't know enough about either 394 00:22:17.799 --> 00:22:21.519 man's style to be able to go, oh, that's definitely 395 00:22:21.640 --> 00:22:24.319 ry Cooter and that's definitely Arlen Roth. But I do 396 00:22:24.440 --> 00:22:27.559 know that Arlin Roth was on set. He was, like 397 00:22:27.599 --> 00:22:30.119 I said, he was Ralph Macchio's guitar coach for the 398 00:22:30.200 --> 00:22:34.480 duration of the picture, and for some reason he wasn't 399 00:22:34.480 --> 00:22:36.400 given credit, and I don't really don't know why. He 400 00:22:36.440 --> 00:22:37.599 doesn't seem to know why either. 401 00:22:37.599 --> 00:22:40.880 In interviews, I couldn't tell you off the top of 402 00:22:40.920 --> 00:22:45.880 my head any differentiations between guitarists and styles. But I 403 00:22:45.880 --> 00:22:48.519 could tell you when ry Cooter is playing, I know 404 00:22:48.640 --> 00:22:51.480 his style at least that well. Man has thirty albums 405 00:22:51.480 --> 00:22:52.640 and I have too many of them. 406 00:22:53.160 --> 00:22:55.759 He's a legend. He played on probably one of my 407 00:22:55.839 --> 00:22:59.039 favorite Monkeys tracks, which is off of the album head. 408 00:22:59.079 --> 00:23:01.759 It's called as We Go All Along it's not he's 409 00:23:01.759 --> 00:23:05.799 not necessarily like doing a showy solo, but he's part 410 00:23:05.799 --> 00:23:08.079 of that track. He's part of the vibe, and I 411 00:23:08.079 --> 00:23:10.359 think it's an amazing song and his playing is wonderful. 412 00:23:12.519 --> 00:23:32.519 Oh give up your secrets, let down, He's sit with me. 413 00:23:44.920 --> 00:23:47.599 There has to be a movie made about the sixties 414 00:23:47.960 --> 00:23:52.200 session musicians in Los Angeles, maybe a TV series on Netflix. 415 00:23:52.599 --> 00:23:55.759 There's all sorts of because these are musicians that really 416 00:23:56.000 --> 00:23:57.880 didn't get much credit. I know there was a Wrecking 417 00:23:57.960 --> 00:24:02.119 Crew documentary, and there was a documentary about the session 418 00:24:02.200 --> 00:24:05.519 musicians from the seventies that played on, like James Taylor 419 00:24:05.559 --> 00:24:08.480 and all these other Linda Ronstadt, So there must be 420 00:24:08.519 --> 00:24:11.599 some sort of fictionalized take on that would be really interesting. 421 00:24:11.839 --> 00:24:13.200 I would see it. 422 00:24:12.960 --> 00:24:14.759 Me too, man, I'd watch the fuck out of that, 423 00:24:15.480 --> 00:24:17.319 just like I would watch Crossroads anytime. 424 00:24:17.880 --> 00:24:21.119 That's right, I would too. So that the music's pretty 425 00:24:21.119 --> 00:24:25.519 well covered there. The only what's a little jarring now 426 00:24:25.559 --> 00:24:28.119 when you listen to it is there's a lot of 427 00:24:28.160 --> 00:24:31.240 Eighties noess, it's blues. You're hearing mostly just blues through 428 00:24:31.279 --> 00:24:34.559 the whole picture, but it's that eighties blues with the 429 00:24:34.640 --> 00:24:39.359 sort of reverb laden drums, a lot of chorus on 430 00:24:39.480 --> 00:24:42.519 the guitars and everything. There's just a sound. There's an 431 00:24:42.519 --> 00:24:47.839 ineffable quality to eighties music, including eighties blues music, that 432 00:24:48.000 --> 00:24:51.160 is all over this and it if nothing else, it 433 00:24:51.240 --> 00:24:53.759 dates this movie immediately. 434 00:24:54.200 --> 00:24:57.240 It's not exactly the sound of Delta Blues. 435 00:24:57.599 --> 00:25:02.960 No, not in the but it works because these are 436 00:25:03.039 --> 00:25:07.359 really good musicians. Because ry Cooter is amazing. He's a 437 00:25:07.400 --> 00:25:10.799 tremendous slide player. So it's a lot of that's forgiven. 438 00:25:11.119 --> 00:25:14.680 But yeah, it's it's it's a little dated. 439 00:25:15.200 --> 00:25:17.880 Okay, here's my two cents about the white Savior thing. 440 00:25:17.960 --> 00:25:21.960 By the way, Yeah, this character should be black. There's 441 00:25:22.039 --> 00:25:24.759 just no question that this should be a young black 442 00:25:24.799 --> 00:25:27.480 man who in the middle of the nineteen eighties when 443 00:25:28.200 --> 00:25:31.839 popular culture everything was R and B and or hip hop. 444 00:25:32.400 --> 00:25:35.599 To have a young black character like going back through 445 00:25:35.640 --> 00:25:38.400 his roots even though he's Okay, Now, that makes it 446 00:25:38.440 --> 00:25:40.920 even trickier because my other problem can be found at 447 00:25:40.960 --> 00:25:45.559 the end of the movie during the cut and head sequence. Yeah, 448 00:25:45.599 --> 00:25:48.799 and so maybe we'll revisit this particular topic, the white 449 00:25:48.799 --> 00:25:51.079 savior topic, because I don't have a problem with white 450 00:25:51.240 --> 00:25:54.519 the white savior. It doesn't have to be a white savior. 451 00:25:55.119 --> 00:25:58.240 It can be just an interested character who is a 452 00:25:58.279 --> 00:26:04.880 total outsider, and the outsider helps facilitate the thing from 453 00:26:04.960 --> 00:26:07.440 the community that he's not part of. That's fine by me. 454 00:26:08.039 --> 00:26:12.119 But to the movie's credit, to Fusco's credit, there's a 455 00:26:12.160 --> 00:26:17.599 scene where Eugene they find Eugene is finally exposed Willie 456 00:26:17.680 --> 00:26:21.319 Brown for being this legendary blues man, and he has 457 00:26:21.480 --> 00:26:24.079 sprung this idea on him that you'll teach me this 458 00:26:24.200 --> 00:26:26.680 song and then we'll take it and we'll you know. 459 00:26:27.039 --> 00:26:28.880 And one of the things Willy Brown says is he 460 00:26:29.000 --> 00:26:31.279 basically says, you're just like every other white guy. You're 461 00:26:31.279 --> 00:26:32.680 just going to take the music and you're going to 462 00:26:32.759 --> 00:26:34.759 make it, you know, its own thing. I you know. 463 00:26:34.839 --> 00:26:39.119 And that's that's true. That's exactly it would be, basically 464 00:26:39.119 --> 00:26:42.640 be appropriated by a white guy taking it away. It's 465 00:26:42.680 --> 00:26:46.799 cultural appropriation. That's exactly what it is. And at least 466 00:26:46.880 --> 00:26:50.920 in that moment, the screenplay seems to be aware of 467 00:26:50.960 --> 00:26:52.319 that the danger there. 468 00:26:52.759 --> 00:26:56.440 It doesn't even allude to it. Like Eugene says, just 469 00:26:56.559 --> 00:26:57.519 like clamped in. 470 00:26:57.680 --> 00:26:59.920 With Crossroads, Yeah, that's what he says, Just. 471 00:26:59.799 --> 00:27:02.599 Like appen with the Crossroads, I'll be able to and which, 472 00:27:02.680 --> 00:27:05.920 by the way, if Willie Brown here is making his 473 00:27:06.000 --> 00:27:08.319 point and he does he say no, he just says 474 00:27:08.319 --> 00:27:10.680 another white boy, right, But we've already he just white. 475 00:27:11.400 --> 00:27:16.200 They've already planted fucking Clapton's name in my mind. And 476 00:27:16.759 --> 00:27:18.680 that's all I think when I think of Eric Clapton, 477 00:27:18.680 --> 00:27:20.720 when I hear that fucking Crossroad song come on the 478 00:27:20.799 --> 00:27:23.680 radio or something, I'm just like, you, fucking thief, you 479 00:27:23.720 --> 00:27:24.880 shot the sheriff. Fuck you. 480 00:27:25.559 --> 00:27:28.039 I'm not such a fan of Clapton anyway. 481 00:27:28.240 --> 00:27:29.559 He's a racist piece of shit. 482 00:27:30.079 --> 00:27:32.920 That's exactly why he's a racist. I don't care if 483 00:27:33.160 --> 00:27:37.079 he was smacked out and maybe that he said those things. 484 00:27:37.079 --> 00:27:38.319 There's no going back from that. 485 00:27:38.359 --> 00:27:40.960 And I and he said those things multiple times on 486 00:27:41.119 --> 00:27:43.599 multiple okays. Oh it was the drink talking. It was 487 00:27:43.640 --> 00:27:46.759 the drugs talking. It was him talking. I've never been 488 00:27:46.759 --> 00:27:48.759 so drunk that I've suddenly become a racist. 489 00:27:49.519 --> 00:27:53.599 I totally agree, to be honest. Like his music, I 490 00:27:53.680 --> 00:27:55.559 was never that thrilled by it, just on a on 491 00:27:55.640 --> 00:27:57.960 a musical level, put aside all the other stuff. I 492 00:27:58.079 --> 00:28:01.079 just I never really got the Clapton god stuff. Maybe 493 00:28:01.079 --> 00:28:04.160 I'm just willfully ignorant of the man's place in music. 494 00:28:04.319 --> 00:28:05.599 I don't think I am. I think I know a 495 00:28:05.640 --> 00:28:07.519 little bit, but it was. 496 00:28:07.519 --> 00:28:09.720 Never you know what he was at the same time 497 00:28:09.759 --> 00:28:15.079 as Jimmy Page and Jimmy Hendrix. Go fuck yourself with worship. 498 00:28:15.799 --> 00:28:19.079 Yeah, there's Alvin Lead, you could the list goes on. 499 00:28:19.119 --> 00:28:21.920 There's a million, Rory Gallagher. The man is the king 500 00:28:21.960 --> 00:28:23.880 of the blues and he was an irishman. Get the 501 00:28:23.880 --> 00:28:25.960 fuck out of here. There's ways to do it. There's 502 00:28:26.000 --> 00:28:28.720 an authentic way to do it, and I'm I don't 503 00:28:28.759 --> 00:28:31.039 know how authentic Clapton is ultimately, And now watch all 504 00:28:31.079 --> 00:28:32.359 this hate mail is going to come in for you, 505 00:28:32.759 --> 00:28:35.079 all these listeners going, what are you talking about? It? 506 00:28:35.440 --> 00:28:36.720 Clipton's God. 507 00:28:37.039 --> 00:28:41.279 Anyway, they'd be wrong, but then we'd both be wrong. 508 00:28:42.000 --> 00:28:45.240 This is true. Yeah, so he's so. But what one 509 00:28:45.279 --> 00:28:48.000 thing I want to a slight correction, and this is 510 00:28:48.039 --> 00:28:50.839 important to the story, I think is you had mentioned 511 00:28:51.480 --> 00:28:55.559 Eugene Springs Willie Brown from this rest home of this 512 00:28:55.680 --> 00:28:58.359 nursing home, but it's really not a nursing home. Father 513 00:28:58.480 --> 00:29:03.720 Malone in actual fact is he's basically in prison. He's 514 00:29:03.799 --> 00:29:08.039 been in prison for something like twenty years, twenty five 515 00:29:08.119 --> 00:29:10.880 years up to that point. We're shooting a man, so 516 00:29:11.200 --> 00:29:14.680 it's not necessarily that he's this cuddly. It's not cocoon 517 00:29:14.799 --> 00:29:17.920 where he's getting busted out of a nursing home. That 518 00:29:18.039 --> 00:29:20.720 the man admitted that he shot someone in the neck. 519 00:29:21.480 --> 00:29:24.799 So I like that about this. Willie Brown isn't some 520 00:29:25.279 --> 00:29:29.599 saint who's gonna who needs to be rescued from all 521 00:29:29.640 --> 00:29:33.519 of this sort of stuff going on. The man shot somebody, 522 00:29:34.160 --> 00:29:35.480 will fully shot somebody. 523 00:29:35.920 --> 00:29:40.000 Yeah, Willie Brown is a fully functioning character, definitely. And yes, 524 00:29:40.240 --> 00:29:43.359 obviously I made it seem like it was cocoon. 525 00:29:44.599 --> 00:29:47.119 Yeah, he played that up a little bit. When there's 526 00:29:47.160 --> 00:29:50.440 that sequence where they actually spring him where Eugene comes. 527 00:29:50.200 --> 00:29:51.680 And nobody cares. 528 00:29:53.160 --> 00:29:55.759 That's the other thing. He springs him from this prison, 529 00:29:55.839 --> 00:29:58.039 He breaks him out of jail effectively, and I know 530 00:29:58.079 --> 00:30:01.920 it's a nursing home, but it's jail, and they proceed 531 00:30:01.960 --> 00:30:05.079 to do nothing about it. No one ever tries to 532 00:30:05.119 --> 00:30:08.200 find Willy. No one puts out an APB on a 533 00:30:08.279 --> 00:30:12.079 kid and an old black man on the run. That's it. 534 00:30:12.279 --> 00:30:14.640 Maybe they're just happy that Willy's his hair out of 535 00:30:14.640 --> 00:30:15.440 their hair. I don't know. 536 00:30:15.759 --> 00:30:18.680 That's what I liked about that sequence, the utter lack 537 00:30:18.720 --> 00:30:21.960 of magnitude of the actual event. 538 00:30:22.160 --> 00:30:25.119 It's funny because they make their way to this cab 539 00:30:25.240 --> 00:30:29.359 that Eugene has left waiting outside, and a cop car 540 00:30:29.440 --> 00:30:34.559 starts screaming towards them with lights and sirens blaring, and 541 00:30:35.440 --> 00:30:38.039 Eugene freezes because he says to himself, well, this is it. 542 00:30:38.359 --> 00:30:41.440 The jig is up, and then the cop cary just 543 00:30:41.480 --> 00:30:44.880 proceeds to keep going down the road wherever it's actually going, 544 00:30:44.880 --> 00:30:47.599 whatever call it's attending to. They don't care about Willy 545 00:30:47.680 --> 00:30:48.680 Brown now. 546 00:30:48.839 --> 00:30:52.240 So Eugene is springing Willy Brown because he's gonna WILLI. 547 00:30:52.319 --> 00:30:54.799 Brown has promised if he gets him out and gets 548 00:30:54.839 --> 00:30:58.319 him back down south to Mississippi, he will reveal the 549 00:30:58.359 --> 00:31:03.799 thirtieth Missing song from Robert Johnson, and that is just 550 00:31:03.839 --> 00:31:07.200 so tantalizing. But speaking of Robert Johnson, let's go back 551 00:31:07.200 --> 00:31:10.039 to the opening scene. If we get tu Voc. 552 00:31:10.119 --> 00:31:13.960 The vulcan is he one of the engineers. 553 00:31:13.720 --> 00:31:16.920 On no On voyage And here he's Robert Johnson making 554 00:31:16.960 --> 00:31:17.920 a deal with the Oh I. 555 00:31:17.880 --> 00:31:19.799 Thought you were talking about one of the Okay, I 556 00:31:19.880 --> 00:31:22.519 was thinking of not Tuvac. Who is the guy who 557 00:31:22.559 --> 00:31:26.039 is Spock's brother, Lawrence Luckinbill Lauren. 558 00:31:26.119 --> 00:31:31.279 Big characters there, Cybock, Cybox, There you go, Spock. What's 559 00:31:31.279 --> 00:31:33.160 going on there on Vulcans? 560 00:31:33.640 --> 00:31:37.799 So, yeah, So he's playing Robert Johnson performing Crossroads at 561 00:31:37.839 --> 00:31:39.599 the very beginning of the picture. 562 00:31:40.119 --> 00:31:42.680 Now we never get to see Robert Johnson interact with 563 00:31:42.759 --> 00:31:45.119 the devil. It's just hinted at. And they're going to 564 00:31:45.200 --> 00:31:47.480 keep playing at that through a lot of the movie. 565 00:31:48.000 --> 00:31:51.079 This Every time we get to one of these flashbacks, 566 00:31:50.880 --> 00:31:55.480 it's it's cpa tone haziness, like he's trying to recreate 567 00:31:55.759 --> 00:32:00.200 nineteen thirty eight Mississippi in the best way possible. I'm 568 00:32:00.200 --> 00:32:03.880 surprised he didn't resort to skipping film and stepping on 569 00:32:04.000 --> 00:32:06.480 it and adding scratches to it. I guess he just 570 00:32:06.480 --> 00:32:08.640 didn't want to go that far. But I have a 571 00:32:08.720 --> 00:32:11.759 question for you. Yeah, I have a music question for you. 572 00:32:12.400 --> 00:32:17.200 It's about the debate, the Robert Johnson sped up slowed 573 00:32:17.200 --> 00:32:18.359 it down debate. 574 00:32:19.079 --> 00:32:21.279 I'm so glad you're bringing this up, because I was 575 00:32:21.319 --> 00:32:23.000 prepared to if you didn't go for it. 576 00:32:23.559 --> 00:32:28.599 So there is a popular theory that during the recording 577 00:32:28.880 --> 00:32:33.559 of Robert Johnson's songs. The machine itself was sped up 578 00:32:33.680 --> 00:32:37.680 or sped or under cranked by something like twenty percent. 579 00:32:38.440 --> 00:32:42.319 So if you take his songs and speed them up, 580 00:32:42.920 --> 00:32:47.480 you get a jauntier version. And the only thing that 581 00:32:47.519 --> 00:32:51.480 gives it credence is it sounds good. Either way. It's 582 00:32:51.519 --> 00:32:54.240 a little the guitar playing is a little worse in 583 00:32:54.279 --> 00:32:56.839 the sped up version. It sounds like he's making mistakes, 584 00:32:57.279 --> 00:33:00.599 but it does sound credible. So I to get your 585 00:33:00.640 --> 00:33:03.480 take on it, because I have mine. And so there 586 00:33:03.519 --> 00:33:05.440 are people who believe that's the case and there are 587 00:33:05.799 --> 00:33:09.920 people who don't. And I think, ultimately, whether or not 588 00:33:10.359 --> 00:33:13.000 it's true or not, we're still going to continue listening 589 00:33:13.039 --> 00:33:14.920 to those original recordings of Robert Johnson. 590 00:33:15.519 --> 00:33:20.319 Sure from believe I actually I believe that they were 591 00:33:20.559 --> 00:33:24.359 recorded slowly. The commonly held theory, one of the commonly 592 00:33:24.400 --> 00:33:27.119 held theories is they did that so that they could 593 00:33:27.200 --> 00:33:30.440 fit more music on a record, on a seventy eight 594 00:33:30.519 --> 00:33:34.200 rpm record, right, So they had the music when recorded 595 00:33:35.000 --> 00:33:37.920 sped up so he could fit more. By all accounts, 596 00:33:38.039 --> 00:33:43.279 Robert Johnson had a low resonant voice, and anyone who 597 00:33:43.400 --> 00:33:47.480 listens to a song like the original Crossroads, it's not. 598 00:33:47.680 --> 00:33:51.799 It's almost like a high keening. It's like an upper register. 599 00:33:51.960 --> 00:33:56.200 It's hard to really explain. I've heard the YouTube videos 600 00:33:56.200 --> 00:33:59.279 of people that have slowed it down by a factor 601 00:33:59.319 --> 00:34:03.119 of twenty percent like you describe, and I think it 602 00:34:03.240 --> 00:34:09.280 sounds much more. It sounds much more like musical to me. 603 00:34:09.400 --> 00:34:14.880 It just sounds less frantic, less ad and noidal, because 604 00:34:14.880 --> 00:34:18.440 that's a technique that people used to use to make 605 00:34:18.480 --> 00:34:22.119 someone sound younger, like the song Caroline Know by the 606 00:34:22.159 --> 00:34:26.320 Beach Boys that was actually sped up a little bit too. 607 00:34:26.360 --> 00:34:28.639 They just turned the ips switch up a little bit 608 00:34:28.679 --> 00:34:31.760 to make him sound younger. So that's not why they 609 00:34:31.760 --> 00:34:34.480 did this to Robert Johnson. But I think when you 610 00:34:34.559 --> 00:34:36.599 listen to it slowed down, I think it's a much 611 00:34:36.639 --> 00:34:41.599 more credible and listenable performance personally. But what do you think? 612 00:34:42.039 --> 00:34:46.360 Okay, so you're saying that his songs were recorded and 613 00:34:46.400 --> 00:34:49.679 then in a kind of post production situation, they were 614 00:34:50.599 --> 00:34:52.559 shortened or slowed down or sped up. 615 00:34:53.119 --> 00:34:55.440 No, I think when they were being recorded, they were 616 00:34:55.480 --> 00:34:58.920 recorded at a slightly slower speed, so when you play 617 00:34:58.960 --> 00:35:02.039 them back, they play back naturally faster. 618 00:35:02.679 --> 00:35:06.280 Okay, so they would have to fiddle with the machine itself. 619 00:35:06.960 --> 00:35:11.159 Yeah, either deliberately. But it's also probably just as likely 620 00:35:11.239 --> 00:35:17.320 that these machines aren't precision calibrated machines. They were being 621 00:35:17.360 --> 00:35:20.679 recorded essentially in like a hotel, like in a room. 622 00:35:20.760 --> 00:35:23.079 It wasn't like they were in a recording studio per se. 623 00:35:23.480 --> 00:35:26.760 That machine had been carted there and probably rolled across 624 00:35:26.840 --> 00:35:30.440 things and carried upstairs and dropped and who knows. 625 00:35:30.599 --> 00:35:34.000 So it's also possible that this whole theory that they 626 00:35:34.000 --> 00:35:37.079 were trying to fit more music on a record is bullshit. 627 00:35:37.159 --> 00:35:40.679 It could just be that the equipment wasn't properly calibrated, 628 00:35:40.800 --> 00:35:43.800 or it just recorded slower so when he played it back, 629 00:35:44.199 --> 00:35:45.880 they didn't know that. It's not like they're sitting there 630 00:35:45.880 --> 00:35:48.079 with a tuning fork saying, oh, this is at four 631 00:35:48.159 --> 00:35:52.719 forty hertz. This is perfect because I also have heard 632 00:35:53.280 --> 00:35:58.639 that some songs are more likely to be sped up 633 00:35:58.679 --> 00:36:00.840 than others, Like it's not a universe versal across this 634 00:36:00.880 --> 00:36:04.559 whole catalog. So it's a very mysterious question that you're posing. 635 00:36:05.039 --> 00:36:08.880 Now. I've heard that the entire catalog of songs was 636 00:36:08.960 --> 00:36:13.440 recorded on two machines. The theory is, or at least 637 00:36:13.480 --> 00:36:16.519 the counter theory is that it could not have been 638 00:36:16.960 --> 00:36:20.320 the machine's fall. It couldn't have been a mistake because 639 00:36:20.360 --> 00:36:23.360 the mistake wouldn't have crossed over from machine to machine. 640 00:36:23.639 --> 00:36:27.360 It couldn't have glitched twice to twenty percent. However, if 641 00:36:27.440 --> 00:36:30.360 they were doing it there on the day to each 642 00:36:30.480 --> 00:36:35.440 machine and actually fiddling and making it slower than that 643 00:36:35.519 --> 00:36:37.199 theory is plausible. 644 00:36:37.800 --> 00:36:42.320 Could be I just know for me, actually, after watching Crossroads, 645 00:36:42.360 --> 00:36:45.800 I went out and got the same Robert Johnson cassette 646 00:36:45.840 --> 00:36:48.800 that Eugene plays in the picture with it's like this 647 00:36:48.880 --> 00:36:52.840 sort of cartoonish image of Robert Johnson's back as he's playing. 648 00:36:53.280 --> 00:36:56.920 But partly because I don't I just don't think I was. 649 00:36:57.559 --> 00:37:01.320 My mind wasn't calibrated to really understand this music. I 650 00:37:01.360 --> 00:37:03.840 didn't like it because it just, I don't know, it 651 00:37:03.880 --> 00:37:06.599 was a little frantic. It wasn't quite as. It wasn't 652 00:37:06.679 --> 00:37:09.440 like I was like Robert Sorry John Lee Hooker. That 653 00:37:09.599 --> 00:37:14.719 to me is classic blues, right low voice, nothing but 654 00:37:14.800 --> 00:37:19.119 the guitar and his foot tapping, and it took its time. 655 00:37:19.239 --> 00:37:22.159 It wasn't frantic, Whereas I found the Robert Johnson stuff 656 00:37:22.480 --> 00:37:25.119 a little more hyper to listen back to. 657 00:37:25.440 --> 00:37:28.480 John Lee Hooker's Burning Hell is the greatest blues album 658 00:37:28.480 --> 00:37:30.840 of all time. Ripley agrees with me. She just barked. 659 00:37:30.880 --> 00:37:33.840 Really, I would agree with you there too. The man 660 00:37:33.960 --> 00:37:35.519 is a giant. He lived it. 661 00:37:35.880 --> 00:37:39.480 I don't know where I fall. I like the idea 662 00:37:39.960 --> 00:37:42.760 because it sounds so natural when you listen to the 663 00:37:42.800 --> 00:37:46.400 sped up Robert Johnson vocals, and now obviously you're going 664 00:37:46.480 --> 00:37:50.199 to listen to them here, folks, here's the original. 665 00:37:53.719 --> 00:37:55.880 Don Blues. 666 00:38:01.719 --> 00:38:06.719 And A Day Keep doing on Me, the hell alm 667 00:38:06.800 --> 00:38:09.880 trees kill are. 668 00:38:10.920 --> 00:38:18.519 Killed, Okay, And now here's the sped up version. 669 00:38:19.119 --> 00:38:27.480 Mm hmm falling down a boo falling down kill. 670 00:38:32.199 --> 00:38:37.000 And a day Keep on on Me the hell hag 671 00:38:37.320 --> 00:38:39.320 almores kill. 672 00:38:42.199 --> 00:38:42.400 Kill. 673 00:38:48.159 --> 00:38:51.760 Both are pretty credible, right, But I think the slower one, 674 00:38:51.800 --> 00:38:53.280 I think just sounds more natural to me. 675 00:38:53.960 --> 00:38:55.840 I know, but I'm just so used to the other 676 00:38:55.960 --> 00:39:01.320 one that it just sounds like somebody covering crossroads and 677 00:39:01.480 --> 00:39:03.800 they just have a they tap their toe a little 678 00:39:03.800 --> 00:39:04.199 bit faster. 679 00:39:04.800 --> 00:39:07.559 If only Bill and Ted went back in time to 680 00:39:07.639 --> 00:39:11.599 the Mississippi Delta and they brought Robert Johnson back instead 681 00:39:11.599 --> 00:39:14.559 of Beethoven, maybe we'd have an answer to this question. 682 00:39:14.719 --> 00:39:18.960 Father. That's true. If somebody could check with Ulysses McGill 683 00:39:19.559 --> 00:39:22.559 from Oh Brother were Artho. They basically meet Robert Johnson 684 00:39:22.599 --> 00:39:24.920 at the end of that movie too out on the Crossroad. 685 00:39:25.239 --> 00:39:27.480 He might have the answers there. He didn't sound sped 686 00:39:27.599 --> 00:39:29.000 up there, No. 687 00:39:29.840 --> 00:39:33.480 But I that's I can point to Crossroads as being 688 00:39:33.559 --> 00:39:36.719 the thing that kind of I was inspired to seek 689 00:39:36.760 --> 00:39:39.519 out Robert Johnson. It just didn't stick because I just 690 00:39:39.559 --> 00:39:41.599 couldn't get into the music. I don't know what it was, 691 00:39:42.079 --> 00:39:44.440 but the man is I can say just he was 692 00:39:44.480 --> 00:39:46.800 an amazing guitar player. I wish I could play slide 693 00:39:46.800 --> 00:39:48.599 guitar like he did amazing. 694 00:39:49.000 --> 00:39:50.079 Do you play slide guitar? 695 00:39:50.760 --> 00:39:55.079 No, I could never. It's the tricky part about slide guitar, father, alone, 696 00:39:55.199 --> 00:39:58.400 is that normally, when you're playing, when you're fretting the notes, 697 00:39:58.679 --> 00:40:01.519 you're putting your finger between two frets, whereas with a 698 00:40:01.639 --> 00:40:05.440 slide you're only you're resting the slide itself on the 699 00:40:05.719 --> 00:40:09.039 upper part of the fret itself, on the piece of 700 00:40:09.119 --> 00:40:12.119 fret wire, so not in between the threts, on the 701 00:40:12.199 --> 00:40:15.880 thread itself, over the thread itself. I also believe that 702 00:40:16.039 --> 00:40:19.159 you have to tune your guitar in what's called open tuning. 703 00:40:19.480 --> 00:40:22.000 I think it's open G so that when you lay 704 00:40:22.159 --> 00:40:25.400 that slide over the whole of the strings, it plays 705 00:40:25.440 --> 00:40:29.320 a chord. Because normally you're making a chord by crunching 706 00:40:29.360 --> 00:40:32.519 your fingers in all sorts of interesting ways. But if 707 00:40:32.559 --> 00:40:34.679 the whole guitar is tuned to an open G chord, 708 00:40:35.119 --> 00:40:37.920 you just lay that. It's easy. You can play any 709 00:40:38.039 --> 00:40:41.719 chord anywhere on the fretboard with one finger basically. 710 00:40:42.159 --> 00:40:43.000 So what's your trouble. 711 00:40:43.599 --> 00:40:46.920 I just it's hard for me to recalibrate my fingers. 712 00:40:47.079 --> 00:40:49.280 I haven't tried it in many years, to be fair, 713 00:40:49.719 --> 00:40:53.039 but I just I had trouble recalibrating my brain to 714 00:40:53.400 --> 00:40:56.519 play it as opposed to just fretting the notes normally. 715 00:40:56.559 --> 00:40:59.039 I don't know. It's just and to be honest, I 716 00:40:59.079 --> 00:41:01.960 didn't spend a great of time trying to learn. But 717 00:41:02.679 --> 00:41:05.000 it's cool someone who does it well, like ry Cooter. 718 00:41:05.119 --> 00:41:06.440 It's an amazing sound. 719 00:41:06.960 --> 00:41:08.599 By the end of this podcast, you're going to have 720 00:41:08.639 --> 00:41:10.400 to play some slide guitar for I. 721 00:41:10.440 --> 00:41:12.800 Think a lot of people were inspired by this movie 722 00:41:12.880 --> 00:41:15.320 to delve into the Blues, and that's probably one of 723 00:41:15.360 --> 00:41:17.360 the very good things about this movie, if nothing else. 724 00:41:17.800 --> 00:41:20.199 I agree any of these nineteen eighties movies that were 725 00:41:20.360 --> 00:41:24.159 urging anyone toward any sort of artistic area that they 726 00:41:24.280 --> 00:41:27.559 might not have been exposed to. It's it. Look, I'm 727 00:41:27.599 --> 00:41:29.400 going to sound real old here, but there was a 728 00:41:29.440 --> 00:41:35.679 pre internet time and exposure to any other culture was welcome, 729 00:41:36.960 --> 00:41:38.920 even if it was even if it was freighted with 730 00:41:39.039 --> 00:41:42.320 a with the white savior like Lawrence of Arabia is 731 00:41:42.440 --> 00:41:44.519 just a bunch of white people out there in the 732 00:41:44.599 --> 00:41:47.920 desert pretending that they're Bedouins and such. But at least 733 00:41:47.960 --> 00:41:50.960 we got to see that culture in some way, you 734 00:41:51.039 --> 00:41:54.280 know what I mean. Like it's I don't know, it 735 00:41:54.400 --> 00:41:56.119 just feels like we were cut off from the world 736 00:41:56.519 --> 00:42:00.320 in a lot of ways. So having this entree into 737 00:42:00.679 --> 00:42:04.920 the blues beyond the Blues Brothers, which is a total fantasy, 738 00:42:05.119 --> 00:42:07.679 at least, look, this is not in any way reality, 739 00:42:07.760 --> 00:42:10.960 but at least we're getting a look at the actual 740 00:42:11.119 --> 00:42:14.519 blues people or their lifestyle and what it was like 741 00:42:14.679 --> 00:42:17.480 for them. Because we do get vignettes of what it's 742 00:42:17.639 --> 00:42:19.519 like being a bluesman on the road in the South 743 00:42:19.840 --> 00:42:22.480 kind of should have made this a period piece in 744 00:42:22.920 --> 00:42:24.519 like nineteen forty nine. 745 00:42:25.079 --> 00:42:28.360 Well, the whole legend of Robert Johnson going down to 746 00:42:28.400 --> 00:42:31.079 the crossroads and making a deal with the devil. To me, 747 00:42:31.840 --> 00:42:33.719 as a thirteen year old kid and probably a lot 748 00:42:33.760 --> 00:42:36.440 of people, that's a very for lack of a better word, 749 00:42:36.480 --> 00:42:41.400 that's a very alluring tale. That's you, you know, you're 750 00:42:41.559 --> 00:42:44.159 drawn to that. That just I remember I heard the 751 00:42:44.199 --> 00:42:46.639 same thing about Jimmy Page and led Zeppelin, like they 752 00:42:46.719 --> 00:42:48.559 made a deal and you could back they had back 753 00:42:48.679 --> 00:42:52.679 masking with devil messages and all this nonsense. I love 754 00:42:52.760 --> 00:42:56.679 the fact that this movie takes that legend as its 755 00:42:56.719 --> 00:43:00.320 starting point because Robert Johnson was a real person, and 756 00:43:00.800 --> 00:43:03.159 that was a real legend surrounding the man that he 757 00:43:03.239 --> 00:43:07.800 went down to this crossroads in the Delta and became 758 00:43:08.039 --> 00:43:10.199 he sold his soul to the devil. I think that's 759 00:43:10.559 --> 00:43:14.679 what a great starting point for kind of a fantasy 760 00:43:14.840 --> 00:43:17.400 about this kid going down and helping this old man 761 00:43:17.960 --> 00:43:19.719 steal his soul back. I think it's great. 762 00:43:20.280 --> 00:43:25.199 It's a legend just tailor made for cinematic adaptation. Here's 763 00:43:25.239 --> 00:43:28.880 this great music, here's this great legend. All of that happened, 764 00:43:28.920 --> 00:43:31.320 by the way, and now you can do whatever we 765 00:43:31.400 --> 00:43:35.239 want with it. Also, it wasn't that long ago, so 766 00:43:36.119 --> 00:43:39.599 one of our leads can be the contemporary of Robert Johnson. 767 00:43:39.880 --> 00:43:42.159 It's crazy to think about this, Like when this movie 768 00:43:42.239 --> 00:43:45.159 takes place, it was fifty years prior. 769 00:43:45.440 --> 00:43:47.159 You think about fifty years ago that was. 770 00:43:47.519 --> 00:43:51.320 It was seventy five. Man, Yeah, it was like SNL 771 00:43:51.480 --> 00:43:53.239 was on the air. It's inane. 772 00:43:54.159 --> 00:43:56.519 It is when you're a kid, especially, fifty years might 773 00:43:56.559 --> 00:43:59.239 as well be one hundred and fifty. But as you 774 00:43:59.360 --> 00:44:02.599 and I age, that's we realize that's an eyeblink. That's 775 00:44:02.639 --> 00:44:03.519 not long ago at all. 776 00:44:03.880 --> 00:44:06.599 This would be like breaking dan Ackroyd out of the 777 00:44:07.079 --> 00:44:10.440 SNL nursing home to get him to down South where 778 00:44:10.440 --> 00:44:14.000 he can be a blues brother. Again, Like it's that's apt. 779 00:44:14.760 --> 00:44:17.199 It's crazy, just as far as like how long ago 780 00:44:17.320 --> 00:44:19.480 it was, Like you know, there are people seeing this 781 00:44:19.639 --> 00:44:23.599 movie who could potentially knew Robert Johnson. 782 00:44:23.920 --> 00:44:27.440 Yeah it was. It really wasn't that long ago. The 783 00:44:27.719 --> 00:44:30.159 movie makes it feel like it's ages and ages ago 784 00:44:30.199 --> 00:44:32.800 because he always goes to that CPA, Like you said, 785 00:44:32.840 --> 00:44:36.239 that CPA tone look in the tac piano playing blues 786 00:44:36.320 --> 00:44:38.800 chords in the background. But I but by the way, 787 00:44:38.840 --> 00:44:41.960 I really like those little interstecial or not interstitials, but 788 00:44:42.039 --> 00:44:44.239 I like those little interludes in the movie where you 789 00:44:44.360 --> 00:44:47.960 see Willie Brown dealing with the Devil's assistant. 790 00:44:48.079 --> 00:44:51.079 And it's why are those scenes so good? HB Why 791 00:44:51.119 --> 00:44:51.480 are they so? 792 00:44:51.760 --> 00:44:54.719 I just think they're so they're cinematic. I don't know 793 00:44:54.800 --> 00:44:58.840 it just it they feel heightened in a way, and 794 00:44:58.960 --> 00:45:02.199 I like that about this. It creates this witchiness, for 795 00:45:02.320 --> 00:45:05.159 lack of a better word term, about this whole because 796 00:45:05.519 --> 00:45:09.320 mostly this movie takes place in very mundane places, like 797 00:45:09.400 --> 00:45:12.880 a flophouse here, or you know, an old barn here. 798 00:45:13.119 --> 00:45:16.599 But that's there's the way it's shot too. It's very compelling. 799 00:45:16.639 --> 00:45:19.280 The crossroads with the one sort of dead looking tree 800 00:45:19.880 --> 00:45:23.320 off to the side and somebody just standing there waiting 801 00:45:23.440 --> 00:45:26.880 for the devil to offer them a ride. That's so compelling. 802 00:45:27.000 --> 00:45:27.599 That's so cool. 803 00:45:28.199 --> 00:45:30.679 I have two words why those sequences are so good. 804 00:45:31.360 --> 00:45:34.320 Joe Morton ah As. 805 00:45:34.559 --> 00:45:35.880 He doesn't really have a name, does he. 806 00:45:35.960 --> 00:45:39.079 He's just the devil Scratches assistant, That's what I mean. 807 00:45:39.159 --> 00:45:42.599 He doesn't He's not Legba or scratch. He's just Scratch 808 00:45:42.679 --> 00:45:43.239 his assistant. 809 00:45:43.800 --> 00:45:46.159 It should just be the devil. It just should be 810 00:45:46.280 --> 00:45:48.440 Joe Martin should just be the devil. I'm not saying 811 00:45:48.519 --> 00:45:50.960 that I'm disappointed when the devil shows up, because I'm 812 00:45:51.000 --> 00:45:55.199 not when Scratch Legma the devil. When he shows up, 813 00:45:55.599 --> 00:45:57.760 he's fucking awesome. 814 00:45:58.159 --> 00:45:58.639 He's great. 815 00:45:58.760 --> 00:46:02.599 It's a little disconcern that we deal specifically with Joe 816 00:46:02.679 --> 00:46:04.800 Morton for the entirety of the thing, and then in 817 00:46:04.920 --> 00:46:07.079 the end we get this one guy who we're gonna 818 00:46:07.119 --> 00:46:10.599 deal with the battle for and we've only just met him. 819 00:46:10.719 --> 00:46:13.679 So even as great as he is, it's yeah, but 820 00:46:13.760 --> 00:46:14.440 you're not the guy. 821 00:46:15.280 --> 00:46:18.440 Joe Morton may as well be the devil, because, like 822 00:46:18.519 --> 00:46:20.360 you said, he's the one that really interacts with all 823 00:46:20.400 --> 00:46:25.960 these characters. But yeah, it's he's so derisive and dismissive 824 00:46:26.039 --> 00:46:28.079 to everyone that he deals with. You would think he 825 00:46:28.119 --> 00:46:30.400 would if the Devil's gonna come and try to make 826 00:46:30.440 --> 00:46:33.000 a deal for your soul, he's gonna come with honeyed 827 00:46:33.039 --> 00:46:35.119 words and all this kind of stuff. But not Scratch 828 00:46:35.199 --> 00:46:38.119 his assistant. He basically he calls him like like four. 829 00:46:38.039 --> 00:46:40.960 Eyes and hey, blam ball, come over here. 830 00:46:43.440 --> 00:46:44.079 What's your name? 831 00:46:44.159 --> 00:46:44.360 Boy? 832 00:46:45.280 --> 00:46:47.400 My name Willy Brown. So what you're doing all. 833 00:46:47.360 --> 00:46:48.960 These gross goods alone? Willy Brown? 834 00:46:49.440 --> 00:46:51.239 Robert Johnson told me, I can make a deal here, 835 00:46:51.760 --> 00:46:56.719 a deal with Like. There's nothing cheery or nic or 836 00:46:56.800 --> 00:47:00.920 welcoming about Scratch's assistant. About Joe Morton, he's like a 837 00:47:01.079 --> 00:47:04.000 not a nice guy. But what I always thought was 838 00:47:04.039 --> 00:47:08.079 really cool is so he goes to Willie Brown goes 839 00:47:08.119 --> 00:47:10.320 to the Crossroads as a young man. It's one of 840 00:47:10.360 --> 00:47:14.119 those CPS shots, and Joe Morton's character drives up in 841 00:47:14.199 --> 00:47:17.360 an old nineteen twenties car or something, and he makes 842 00:47:17.360 --> 00:47:20.840 the deal with him. And then when you flash forward 843 00:47:20.920 --> 00:47:22.960 and now he's on the crossroads with the Eugene as 844 00:47:22.960 --> 00:47:26.880 an old man. Joe Morton comes back, only now because 845 00:47:26.880 --> 00:47:30.639 it's the modern day. He's driving a trans am and 846 00:47:30.840 --> 00:47:33.639 he's all decked out in modern day. He hasn't aged 847 00:47:33.679 --> 00:47:36.480 a day, but he's still keeping up with the contemporary 848 00:47:37.079 --> 00:47:40.199 trends and cars and fashion and all that. I love that. 849 00:47:40.679 --> 00:47:43.639 And props has blacked out the transam logo from the 850 00:47:43.679 --> 00:47:44.239 front of the car. 851 00:47:44.320 --> 00:47:47.960 I noticed, Oh did they do that? It was unmistakable 852 00:47:48.039 --> 00:47:50.280 for me, just because I've seen a ton of those 853 00:47:50.360 --> 00:47:54.039 and growing up, But no, it's great. I love those 854 00:47:54.079 --> 00:47:56.159 sequences at the crossroads. Particularly. 855 00:47:56.639 --> 00:48:00.320 Here's the thing that I noticed this time watching up 856 00:48:00.320 --> 00:48:03.960 the second time in the transam. He has a consort, 857 00:48:05.119 --> 00:48:08.800 a petty little she bitch with him. She should have 858 00:48:08.840 --> 00:48:10.559 been with him the whole time. She should have shown 859 00:48:10.639 --> 00:48:13.480 up with him in the thirties and with pin curls. 860 00:48:14.199 --> 00:48:16.199 She should have always been It would have been great. 861 00:48:17.000 --> 00:48:20.239 I wondered about that too, because she's so prominent during 862 00:48:20.320 --> 00:48:21.519 the head cutting scene. 863 00:48:21.320 --> 00:48:23.239 And that's why I said it, because she's out on 864 00:48:23.320 --> 00:48:28.039 the floor. She's basically performing the anti Willie Brown's number 865 00:48:28.199 --> 00:48:28.800 on stage. 866 00:48:29.480 --> 00:48:32.280 Yeah, she should have been there too, in the era 867 00:48:32.360 --> 00:48:34.960 appropriate fashion in the nineteen she should. 868 00:48:34.760 --> 00:48:38.519 Be Scratch's assistant. He should be Scratch because the thing 869 00:48:38.599 --> 00:48:41.360 I liked about Scratch when he finally does show up 870 00:48:41.639 --> 00:48:44.760 is he is the honeyed word guy. He gets hard 871 00:48:44.800 --> 00:48:47.960 when he has to, but really he's sweet and welcoming. 872 00:48:48.440 --> 00:48:48.719 He is. 873 00:48:48.880 --> 00:48:52.119 But there's one moment that I never really thought about 874 00:48:52.239 --> 00:48:54.559 until I was rewatching. I probably watched it three times 875 00:48:54.599 --> 00:48:57.880 over the weekend, father alone, and he's talking with Willy, 876 00:48:58.000 --> 00:49:01.920 and Willy he basically tries to make a double or 877 00:49:02.000 --> 00:49:04.599 nothing bet because will he wants his soul back. He 878 00:49:04.679 --> 00:49:06.559 wants him to tear up the contract. 879 00:49:06.440 --> 00:49:09.000 Unless you might want to say it in for don't 880 00:49:09.079 --> 00:49:09.280 do it. 881 00:49:09.559 --> 00:49:10.440 So he's my friend. 882 00:49:10.480 --> 00:49:12.400 I don't believe in any of this shit anyways. 883 00:49:12.199 --> 00:49:14.840 I say it, don't do it, light Ning, you win, 884 00:49:16.360 --> 00:49:19.199 I tear it Willis contract. But what happens if my 885 00:49:19.360 --> 00:49:25.000 man Jack Bloway, you kid me already got you. 886 00:49:25.760 --> 00:49:28.960 I swear to you, Father Milive. There's something primal in 887 00:49:29.079 --> 00:49:31.599 his eyes, like it's almost like with all of the 888 00:49:31.639 --> 00:49:34.760 honeyed words and the smiles and everything, his eyes in 889 00:49:34.840 --> 00:49:37.880 that moment aren't smiling because he knows he's I already 890 00:49:37.920 --> 00:49:40.599 got you, Willie, like you give me something more because 891 00:49:40.639 --> 00:49:44.440 he wants the kid. He wants Eugene's soul also. But 892 00:49:44.559 --> 00:49:48.280 that's the only moment really where you'd see that mask 893 00:49:48.400 --> 00:49:51.599 of civility fall a little bit from scratch and you 894 00:49:51.760 --> 00:49:54.719 see this guy for who he is. It's I don't frankly, 895 00:49:54.760 --> 00:49:56.760 I don't know much. I think the actor who played 896 00:49:56.840 --> 00:49:59.480 him was more of a theater actor. He only has 897 00:49:59.760 --> 00:50:03.639 two three credits in IMDb, and he died shortly after 898 00:50:03.760 --> 00:50:07.480 this before the movie was released. He died unfortunately stomach cancer. 899 00:50:07.960 --> 00:50:10.800 But he's phenomenal in this. I love him in this. 900 00:50:11.320 --> 00:50:14.360 The moment you're describing occurs again in the same scene, 901 00:50:14.559 --> 00:50:17.960 and that's when Willie Brown begs off that he was 902 00:50:18.079 --> 00:50:21.079 not given what he was promised. You can tear that 903 00:50:21.239 --> 00:50:22.480 up and give me some peace. 904 00:50:22.800 --> 00:50:24.400 Why on earth would I want to do that? 905 00:50:24.679 --> 00:50:26.880 Are you slept up on your end of things? I 906 00:50:26.960 --> 00:50:28.079 didn't end up where I wanted. 907 00:50:28.360 --> 00:50:30.599 I didn't end up with nothing, didn't get nothing. You 908 00:50:30.719 --> 00:50:32.000 got but you were supposed to get. 909 00:50:32.000 --> 00:50:34.800 Blues Man ain't nothing ever as good as we wanted 910 00:50:34.840 --> 00:50:38.679 to be, but that he'd no reason to break a deal. 911 00:50:38.960 --> 00:50:42.440 I love this guy. I love that actor, So I'm 912 00:50:42.519 --> 00:50:44.800 happy with him being leg But maybe he should have 913 00:50:44.880 --> 00:50:48.039 been in the car and Joe Morton should have been 914 00:50:48.079 --> 00:50:50.880 his sidekick, and Joe Morton could have been cruel and 915 00:50:51.000 --> 00:50:52.480 mean while the devil's being nice. 916 00:50:53.039 --> 00:50:56.039 It's, if nothing else, it's an embarrassment of riches, this 917 00:50:56.159 --> 00:50:59.840 sort of devil in his consorts. It's great leading up. 918 00:51:00.119 --> 00:51:00.480 I mean that. 919 00:51:00.679 --> 00:51:04.599 The fact is I like their characters so much, because truly, 920 00:51:05.280 --> 00:51:09.159 in rewatching this movie, when I was able to identify 921 00:51:09.239 --> 00:51:12.440 why I what I not liked about the movie finally 922 00:51:12.639 --> 00:51:17.000 coalesced s HP, and that is our three leads are 923 00:51:17.519 --> 00:51:21.559 a bunch of pricks. All three leads are insufferable in 924 00:51:21.679 --> 00:51:22.639 their own ways. 925 00:51:23.119 --> 00:51:25.440 Now, when you say three leads, you're talking about Eugene, 926 00:51:25.840 --> 00:51:29.239 you're talking about Willie. Are you talking about Francis also? 927 00:51:29.719 --> 00:51:32.280 Well, of course I'm talking about missus Jamie Gertz. 928 00:51:32.960 --> 00:51:33.239 Yeah, they. 929 00:51:33.360 --> 00:51:36.119 I can excuse Willie Brown. I think it's great that 930 00:51:36.239 --> 00:51:38.039 they made him a prick, because it would be so 931 00:51:38.239 --> 00:51:42.679 easy to make him this saintly old man who just 932 00:51:42.880 --> 00:51:45.880 needs another chance. The fact that he is, I mean, 933 00:51:46.000 --> 00:51:48.639 he lies to Eugene to break him out of this 934 00:51:48.880 --> 00:51:52.280 prison essentially, and he's not so nice to Francis when 935 00:51:52.320 --> 00:51:54.480 he meets, although they do make up at the end. 936 00:51:54.920 --> 00:51:57.079 But him, I can excuse it. I think it's appropriate 937 00:51:57.119 --> 00:51:57.519 for him to. 938 00:51:57.519 --> 00:51:57.960 Be a dick. 939 00:51:58.559 --> 00:52:01.760 But and I guess, for instance, like she's a runaway, 940 00:52:01.920 --> 00:52:03.360 why wouldn't she be even bittered? 941 00:52:03.480 --> 00:52:06.559 And all her character does is get them in trouble 942 00:52:06.679 --> 00:52:09.239 because she's an amoral nightmare. 943 00:52:09.400 --> 00:52:11.079 Pretty much pretty much. 944 00:52:11.960 --> 00:52:15.400 I don't why do you think is an insufferable prick? 945 00:52:15.800 --> 00:52:20.400 His motivation here is to get famous and then only 946 00:52:20.480 --> 00:52:24.000 to compaut. He has his one night up on the stage, which, 947 00:52:24.079 --> 00:52:27.480 by the way, is only that situation is manufactured by 948 00:52:27.559 --> 00:52:31.119 Willie Brown to get you Gene out of trouble. Yeah, 949 00:52:31.480 --> 00:52:34.360 because he blows the moment of triumph there just playing 950 00:52:34.440 --> 00:52:39.679 guitar passively, and then he turns into a megalmoniacal nightmare. 951 00:52:40.280 --> 00:52:43.880 I don't disagree with you there after he performs at 952 00:52:43.920 --> 00:52:46.840 the juke joint, and then he's so wired on the 953 00:52:46.880 --> 00:52:50.559 adrenaline of performing and doing well. He in that moment 954 00:52:50.639 --> 00:52:53.880 he is a prick. I agree with you there And. 955 00:52:54.199 --> 00:52:56.960 The rest of the time he's just complaining about your 956 00:52:57.079 --> 00:53:00.239 lie to me. Willy, you know where you This is 957 00:53:00.280 --> 00:53:03.559 all bullshit, Willy, What the fuck? Willy? Where's my fucking song? Willie? 958 00:53:03.639 --> 00:53:06.320 It's just like he's a nice he says, just a jerk. 959 00:53:07.079 --> 00:53:09.480 But Willy did lie to him, though, Willy said Willy 960 00:53:09.519 --> 00:53:11.079 says to him at the beginning, because he says, well, 961 00:53:11.079 --> 00:53:13.679 how the hell are we gonna get down to Mississippi? 962 00:53:13.960 --> 00:53:16.480 And Willi says, I got this bank roll right here, 963 00:53:16.559 --> 00:53:18.599 I've had it forever, and he pulls out a wat 964 00:53:18.679 --> 00:53:22.480 of bills. Yeah, they make it so Eugene has enough 965 00:53:22.519 --> 00:53:25.039 money to get them to Memphis. It's still a long 966 00:53:25.119 --> 00:53:28.239 ways to Mississippi. So he says, all right, give you 967 00:53:28.280 --> 00:53:30.920 the money, will because Willy says, you get us to Memphis, 968 00:53:31.039 --> 00:53:32.559 I'll give you the money to get us the rest 969 00:53:32.559 --> 00:53:34.519 of the way to Yazu City. So he gives him 970 00:53:34.559 --> 00:53:38.320 the billfold and he even says to Eugene, why don't 971 00:53:38.360 --> 00:53:41.280 you count it first? And then Eugene counts it and 972 00:53:41.400 --> 00:53:45.599 it's it's forty dollars with newspaper underneath it rolled up 973 00:53:45.639 --> 00:53:47.360 to make it look like it's a big wa of cash. 974 00:53:47.880 --> 00:53:50.039 What would you do in that moment, Father Malone? This 975 00:53:50.119 --> 00:53:53.280 guy promised, you're already hundreds of miles away from New York. 976 00:53:53.480 --> 00:53:56.360 You got no fucking money, you got no transportation. 977 00:53:57.000 --> 00:53:57.719 What are you gonna do? 978 00:53:58.159 --> 00:53:59.159 Of course he be pissed. 979 00:53:59.239 --> 00:54:01.119 I'm gonna take four dollars, I'm gonna rent a car, 980 00:54:01.119 --> 00:54:03.360 and I'm gonna go back to New York. If his 981 00:54:03.639 --> 00:54:06.880 reaction is anything but rent a car and go back 982 00:54:06.880 --> 00:54:08.559 to New York, get on a train, go back to 983 00:54:08.679 --> 00:54:10.760 New York, take a bus back to New York. If 984 00:54:10.800 --> 00:54:13.320 his reaction is anything but, then shut the fuck up 985 00:54:13.360 --> 00:54:15.800 for the rest of the trip. Young Eugene he has 986 00:54:16.039 --> 00:54:18.840 he look, he does have a valid reason to be 987 00:54:18.960 --> 00:54:21.079 mad when he finds out there is no song. 988 00:54:21.719 --> 00:54:24.679 But that's the carrot that will he keeps dangling, like 989 00:54:24.960 --> 00:54:26.920 it would be easy for him to say, let's. 990 00:54:26.960 --> 00:54:30.480 Here's the thing. He's leading Eugene along with his own 991 00:54:30.679 --> 00:54:33.800 greed because Eugene just wants that song so he can 992 00:54:33.880 --> 00:54:36.320 become famous. It's not like I just need to hear 993 00:54:36.400 --> 00:54:39.800 this one song. Like if that were the case, then 994 00:54:39.920 --> 00:54:42.679 he should be devastated when there's no song, and. 995 00:54:42.760 --> 00:54:46.039 I can't argue with that. His motives, Eugene's motives are 996 00:54:46.400 --> 00:54:50.360 are not so pure. Clearly he wants I think he 997 00:54:50.440 --> 00:54:53.559 even says this is his shot at entering like the 998 00:54:54.159 --> 00:54:56.639 Blue breaking into the Blues is this song. 999 00:54:57.039 --> 00:54:59.679 I will say this though, as much as I love 1000 00:54:59.800 --> 00:55:01.599 Joe Martin in the scenes that we get him in, 1001 00:55:02.440 --> 00:55:05.960 I do think the dream sequence that Willie Brown has 1002 00:55:06.280 --> 00:55:09.119 where Scratch's assistant is tiny when he opens the door 1003 00:55:09.159 --> 00:55:12.800 and then he grows bigger. No, it's a great effect. 1004 00:55:13.199 --> 00:55:16.280 It's fantastic. It's a fantastic sequence. Might be my favorite 1005 00:55:16.280 --> 00:55:19.639 sequence in the movie. It should be Scratch, it should 1006 00:55:19.719 --> 00:55:23.280 not be the assistant appearing to him on the crossroads 1007 00:55:23.480 --> 00:55:27.559 as the devil's proxy is one thing, appearing in his 1008 00:55:27.760 --> 00:55:30.400 dreams to tell him what's in store for him. That's 1009 00:55:30.519 --> 00:55:32.440 the devil's business, it should be. 1010 00:55:32.599 --> 00:55:36.280 But I know they're just saving the reveal of the 1011 00:55:36.400 --> 00:55:38.679 devil for the end of the movie, So I get 1012 00:55:38.719 --> 00:55:39.320 why they did it. 1013 00:55:39.480 --> 00:55:42.239 And I understand that too. But here's the other thing 1014 00:55:42.280 --> 00:55:44.360 I noticed. As much as I love Walter Hill as 1015 00:55:44.400 --> 00:55:49.480 a filmmaker, as an action filmmaker and dramatically, he's not 1016 00:55:49.679 --> 00:55:52.519 a horror filmmaker. This would be borne out in his 1017 00:55:52.639 --> 00:55:54.800 work for Talales from the Crypt, none of which are scary. 1018 00:55:55.079 --> 00:55:58.599 But he has several moments in this movie that should 1019 00:55:58.639 --> 00:56:02.280 be horrifying and aren't. When we finally get the Devil, 1020 00:56:02.559 --> 00:56:05.199 it's just like we hear him talking and we turn 1021 00:56:05.239 --> 00:56:07.800 around and there's the devil, and it could have been 1022 00:56:07.840 --> 00:56:09.039 a fucking awesome reveal. 1023 00:56:09.679 --> 00:56:12.960 Yeah, I agree with you that the nightmare sequence in 1024 00:56:13.039 --> 00:56:20.400 particular should have been more surreal, more nightmarish, because what's 1025 00:56:20.440 --> 00:56:23.880 there is effective. Like you said, there's this forced perspective 1026 00:56:23.960 --> 00:56:27.920 bit where Scratches assistant walks through the door and they've 1027 00:56:28.000 --> 00:56:31.800 made the door really big and he's really small, but 1028 00:56:31.920 --> 00:56:35.320 he keeps it like there's something about a nightmare sequence 1029 00:56:35.360 --> 00:56:39.559 where the person or creature or whatever walks towards you 1030 00:56:40.079 --> 00:56:45.480 in POV that should automatically be scary for the viewer 1031 00:56:45.599 --> 00:56:50.000 because you're putting yourself in this nightmare that this person's 1032 00:56:50.079 --> 00:56:52.679 And that's what's happening, is Willie's having this nightmare about 1033 00:56:52.719 --> 00:56:55.320 this thing that it was a very I thought it 1034 00:56:55.400 --> 00:56:57.440 was a very effective nightmare. There probably should have been 1035 00:56:57.519 --> 00:57:00.159 more of that to sell this idea of how or 1036 00:57:00.239 --> 00:57:03.559 mened he is. There's not enough of that. I will 1037 00:57:03.599 --> 00:57:03.960 give you that. 1038 00:57:04.639 --> 00:57:07.119 No, And that's the thing. Like his character as a prick, 1039 00:57:07.760 --> 00:57:14.159 we appreciate and understand, but they could have they could 1040 00:57:14.280 --> 00:57:17.800 have done a little bit more to show, yeah, how 1041 00:57:17.880 --> 00:57:20.960 desperate his situation is. This is really a movie about 1042 00:57:21.039 --> 00:57:22.880 him trying to get back to the crossroads to get 1043 00:57:22.880 --> 00:57:26.480 his soul back, as much as everything else we're talking about. 1044 00:57:26.800 --> 00:57:29.199 And in fact, it's odd to me that he didn't 1045 00:57:29.519 --> 00:57:33.039 he wasn't more upfront earlier in the movie, like Eugene, 1046 00:57:33.559 --> 00:57:37.079 it's all real, I sold my soul and I need 1047 00:57:37.199 --> 00:57:38.039 to get down there. 1048 00:57:38.679 --> 00:57:40.840 He does tell him that they're on the bus and 1049 00:57:41.000 --> 00:57:42.960 early on in their journey, they're on the bus, and 1050 00:57:43.039 --> 00:57:46.320 he does say because because Eugene is relating all these 1051 00:57:46.400 --> 00:57:49.760 blues of these books on blues folklore that he's read, 1052 00:57:50.039 --> 00:57:53.239 and but will he says, it's real. I went to 1053 00:57:53.320 --> 00:57:56.840 the Crossroads. Robert Johnson went to the Crossroads. And this 1054 00:57:57.039 --> 00:58:00.280 is the thing. He doesn't convey the gravity of it. 1055 00:58:00.360 --> 00:58:04.719 I think, even up to the point where Legba makes 1056 00:58:04.800 --> 00:58:07.519 his appearance to Eugene admits, he says, I don't believe 1057 00:58:07.519 --> 00:58:09.920 in any of this shit anyway, So he readily agrees 1058 00:58:10.400 --> 00:58:15.920 to this guitar duel between Legba's proxy and Eugene. 1059 00:58:16.039 --> 00:58:18.159 But it is fun, which is wrong, by the way 1060 00:58:18.480 --> 00:58:22.480 he should at that point, if that character doesn't believe 1061 00:58:22.679 --> 00:58:25.679 that he's engaging in a competition where his soul is 1062 00:58:25.760 --> 00:58:27.760 at stake, then there are no stakes. 1063 00:58:28.440 --> 00:58:31.599 It eventually becomes real for him once he It's unclear. 1064 00:58:31.719 --> 00:58:34.119 I think they're meant to think that he gets teleported 1065 00:58:34.920 --> 00:58:38.519 directly from the Crossroads to this juke joint where the 1066 00:58:38.639 --> 00:58:42.119 devil is having this headcutting duel, because at that point, 1067 00:58:42.599 --> 00:58:46.239 when Eugene and Willie walk into this club, you can 1068 00:58:46.360 --> 00:58:51.840 see that Eugene is maybe rethinking his cavalier attitude. 1069 00:58:51.920 --> 00:58:54.480 That's my point. It should have been what about you, 1070 00:58:54.920 --> 00:58:57.960 lightning boy? You want to be part of the competition. 1071 00:58:58.199 --> 00:58:59.480 I don't believe in any of this shit. And then 1072 00:58:59.519 --> 00:59:01.480 suddenly they're in the juke joint place and you go, 1073 00:59:01.760 --> 00:59:03.400 how about now, what do you think you still want 1074 00:59:03.400 --> 00:59:06.000 to compete with me? Then it would be like, oh shit. 1075 00:59:06.360 --> 00:59:09.039 Then he's making a real decision, that's all. There's no 1076 00:59:09.159 --> 00:59:12.639 agency for the character in that way. It's just another 1077 00:59:12.760 --> 00:59:16.000 thing he's doing because he doesn't believe that crap any sure, but. 1078 00:59:16.079 --> 00:59:20.719 At least the character of Eugene is continually trying to 1079 00:59:20.920 --> 00:59:24.360 prove his blues prowess and prove that he is the 1080 00:59:24.440 --> 00:59:27.840 lightning Boy. So even just on that basis, I think 1081 00:59:27.920 --> 00:59:31.159 he's going to give his all during this performance, even 1082 00:59:31.280 --> 00:59:34.480 if Willie doesn't impress upon him the importance. 1083 00:59:34.559 --> 00:59:35.320 And really it's no. 1084 00:59:35.440 --> 00:59:38.639 Different than the scene in Karate Kid two where he's 1085 00:59:38.639 --> 00:59:41.440 about to fight Chosen and mister Miagi has to tell 1086 00:59:41.519 --> 00:59:44.559 him this isn't for points, this is for real Daniel. 1087 00:59:44.679 --> 00:59:48.960 So it's like, I know John Fuscot that he says 1088 00:59:49.000 --> 00:59:53.239 there was no direct influence on his screenplay of the 1089 00:59:53.320 --> 00:59:56.639 Karate Kid and in fact, Ralf Machio like there were 1090 00:59:56.679 --> 00:59:59.639 other actors considered to play Eugene. I know Tom Cruise 1091 00:59:59.719 --> 01:00:02.840 was me mentioned Sean Penn was actually someone else that 1092 01:00:02.880 --> 01:00:05.679 they said, Can you imagine how insufferable he would have 1093 01:00:05.760 --> 01:00:07.199 been if he had been Sean Penn? 1094 01:00:07.400 --> 01:00:11.039 But my point is, you know, I don't know, man, 1095 01:00:12.880 --> 01:00:13.280 I don't know. 1096 01:00:14.199 --> 01:00:16.480 Do you think Sean Penn would have been a good Eugene? 1097 01:00:16.840 --> 01:00:19.480 Yeah? Who else would have been a good Eugene? 1098 01:00:20.119 --> 01:00:22.480 I think Tom Cruise would have been good at that age. 1099 01:00:22.519 --> 01:00:25.440 I think he would have been Timothy Hunting. He's too white, 1100 01:00:26.639 --> 01:00:30.239 That's exactly, He's too white. It definitely would have been 1101 01:00:30.280 --> 01:00:31.599 white savior with him. 1102 01:00:32.119 --> 01:00:34.880 Who else would have been somebody about super popular? 1103 01:00:35.000 --> 01:00:37.480 How about Matthew Modine He could have. 1104 01:00:37.559 --> 01:00:39.760 Because he could have been scholarly. I think he would 1105 01:00:39.800 --> 01:00:41.039 have played that up. 1106 01:00:41.400 --> 01:00:43.840 He could have been. I know, I'm just a fucking 1107 01:00:43.920 --> 01:00:46.840 white kid from the suburbs. Man, but this music is important. 1108 01:00:46.920 --> 01:00:48.639 You would believe him, you. 1109 01:00:48.639 --> 01:00:50.800 Would because it would have felt like he put in 1110 01:00:50.880 --> 01:00:54.440 the work to learn all of this folklore. But like 1111 01:00:54.519 --> 01:00:57.440 as I don't have a problem with Ralph Macchio. I 1112 01:00:57.519 --> 01:00:58.280 think he's fine. 1113 01:00:58.840 --> 01:01:01.280 He is no and I'm not complaining about him necessarily, 1114 01:01:01.280 --> 01:01:02.400 and he probably got the movie made. 1115 01:01:02.599 --> 01:01:05.119 Let me ask you another question, father Milone. We briefly 1116 01:01:05.239 --> 01:01:09.400 touched on the character of Francis only if only to 1117 01:01:09.480 --> 01:01:13.679 say that she's an asshole. But what's your impression of 1118 01:01:13.760 --> 01:01:17.039 Jamie Gertz. I know the character isn't that you're rich 1119 01:01:17.119 --> 01:01:18.559 of a character, but what did you think. 1120 01:01:19.039 --> 01:01:21.039 I think they were right to cast her if she 1121 01:01:21.159 --> 01:01:27.519 walked into any casting agency, or rather any audition in 1122 01:01:27.639 --> 01:01:31.119 nineteen eighty five nineteen eighty six. She's so fresh on 1123 01:01:31.239 --> 01:01:34.679 the scene, and she's so fucking capable in every role 1124 01:01:34.800 --> 01:01:37.880 she's in. She can adapt really quickly to whatever genre. 1125 01:01:38.519 --> 01:01:41.639 So I don't blame them for casting her, and I 1126 01:01:41.719 --> 01:01:45.400 think she does a good job. But it's a fucking, 1127 01:01:45.760 --> 01:01:48.119 absolutely superfluous character. 1128 01:01:48.599 --> 01:01:51.960 That's another problem that I have with this. And some 1129 01:01:52.079 --> 01:01:54.480 of this ties in with Eugene, so really the only 1130 01:01:54.639 --> 01:01:59.679 purpose that she serves in this picture is she has 1131 01:01:59.719 --> 01:02:03.719 a alliance with Eugene. They have sex in this hayloft 1132 01:02:04.119 --> 01:02:06.480 before getting shaken down. I want to talk about the 1133 01:02:06.519 --> 01:02:09.159 scene with the sheriffs. We'll get back to that, but 1134 01:02:09.840 --> 01:02:11.719 the whole point of her being there is so that 1135 01:02:11.840 --> 01:02:14.760 he can basically fall for her, and then when she 1136 01:02:15.119 --> 01:02:18.920 leaves him that all of a sudden finally gives him 1137 01:02:19.000 --> 01:02:23.880 the deeper understanding of the blues quote unquote capital B blues. 1138 01:02:24.639 --> 01:02:26.719 That's really the only purpose that she serves. I hate 1139 01:02:26.719 --> 01:02:28.880 to say it because I think it does her a disservice, 1140 01:02:29.519 --> 01:02:32.360 but that's the character is written. There's no way around it. 1141 01:02:33.199 --> 01:02:35.800 It doesn't do Jamie Gertz a disservice. The character does 1142 01:02:35.880 --> 01:02:38.519 Jamie Gertz a disservice, because that is the character's only 1143 01:02:38.599 --> 01:02:43.199 function in this screenplay. It's to get Eugene to over 1144 01:02:43.320 --> 01:02:47.519 the hill finally, to get him to feel the blues 1145 01:02:47.760 --> 01:02:51.719 deep down. Until then, he's only intellectualized. And now because 1146 01:02:51.760 --> 01:02:54.519 someone has broken his heart, someone who he met and 1147 01:02:54.599 --> 01:02:57.559 has been arguing with and has had no real attraction to, 1148 01:02:58.039 --> 01:03:02.400 but on the high from his performance, has sex with 1149 01:03:02.519 --> 01:03:05.760 her quickly, and then she disappears because she needs to 1150 01:03:05.840 --> 01:03:08.519 move on, and now his heart is broken. 1151 01:03:09.360 --> 01:03:11.559 No, they had sex before he performed. 1152 01:03:11.320 --> 01:03:13.920 That's true. That's true. They had it in the barn. 1153 01:03:14.679 --> 01:03:16.920 Yeah, and then so there's that barn scene and. 1154 01:03:16.960 --> 01:03:19.840 Then okay, after he's all right, so you know what Okay, 1155 01:03:20.519 --> 01:03:23.960 they did have a legitimate fling, but they didn't seem 1156 01:03:24.000 --> 01:03:27.079 to really like each other. And she's horrible and he's horrible, 1157 01:03:27.239 --> 01:03:28.079 and fuck them both. 1158 01:03:28.440 --> 01:03:30.559 But I did that scene, by the way. I know, 1159 01:03:30.639 --> 01:03:32.119 you want to move on to something, but you're not 1160 01:03:32.159 --> 01:03:35.280 a scene where she leaves him and he comes back 1161 01:03:35.320 --> 01:03:38.320 and they're staying in some flophouse somewhere, and he comes 1162 01:03:38.360 --> 01:03:41.239 back in and Willie sits them down at this table 1163 01:03:41.320 --> 01:03:45.320 in this crappy hotel room and pours them both whiskey 1164 01:03:46.119 --> 01:03:49.400 and basically has a sit down. And that's when he tells, 1165 01:03:50.159 --> 01:03:54.559 essentially tells Eugene there's no thirtieth song. I lied, there's 1166 01:03:54.599 --> 01:03:57.440 only twenty nine. And that's, you know, putting aside him 1167 01:03:57.559 --> 01:04:00.840 playing and feeling the blues, that moment of the two 1168 01:04:00.880 --> 01:04:04.360 of them sitting at that table, there's a vibe about 1169 01:04:04.400 --> 01:04:08.840 that Father Malone. It just feels so comforting, like he's 1170 01:04:08.880 --> 01:04:11.719 trying to comfort Eugene. It feels like they're seeing each 1171 01:04:11.760 --> 01:04:16.280 other as contemporaries for the first time. Maybe finally WILLI 1172 01:04:16.599 --> 01:04:19.639 sees him as something other than the kid with no 1173 01:04:19.840 --> 01:04:23.239 real experience. There's something about that scene I always really liked. 1174 01:04:23.639 --> 01:04:27.440 I agree with you across the board. It's a great 1175 01:04:27.480 --> 01:04:30.960 scene for those two characters, and it is a pivotal scene. 1176 01:04:31.039 --> 01:04:34.519 It is the moment where Eugene finally figures out how 1177 01:04:34.599 --> 01:04:39.559 to play this music emotionally right. But the Francis character 1178 01:04:40.159 --> 01:04:43.719 has been nothing but a drain as far as time 1179 01:04:43.840 --> 01:04:47.039 spent between these two characters, because that's what this movie 1180 01:04:47.159 --> 01:04:50.400 is about. This is a father and son journey, or 1181 01:04:50.440 --> 01:04:55.320 a brother or a mentor and mentee story. Anything else 1182 01:04:55.440 --> 01:04:58.639 is a fucking distraction. What should have taught him the blues? 1183 01:04:59.440 --> 01:05:02.320 The fact that that there was no song, the fact 1184 01:05:02.320 --> 01:05:05.480 that all of his bullshit was for not you're not 1185 01:05:05.679 --> 01:05:08.480 going to be famous. I lied to you, kid. We're 1186 01:05:08.559 --> 01:05:11.760 out here with nothing and nobody, and you don't have 1187 01:05:11.880 --> 01:05:14.519 a fucking mean, you don't have a fucking like a 1188 01:05:14.679 --> 01:05:16.679 penny to your name to get home. 1189 01:05:17.119 --> 01:05:18.360 We are trapped. 1190 01:05:19.280 --> 01:05:21.519 That's when he starts playing the blues, not because the 1191 01:05:21.639 --> 01:05:24.000 girl he fucked in a barn took off. 1192 01:05:24.719 --> 01:05:27.719 This is the blues, Eugene you wanted because at the beginning, 1193 01:05:29.119 --> 01:05:31.880 Eugene has taken a job as a maintenance worker at 1194 01:05:31.960 --> 01:05:35.559 this nursing home slash prison just to get into to 1195 01:05:35.639 --> 01:05:40.280 see Willie and he keeps pumping Willy for information, trying 1196 01:05:40.280 --> 01:05:42.199 to understand is this the real Willy Brown? And at 1197 01:05:42.239 --> 01:05:44.199 one point Willy says, why he's so interested in the 1198 01:05:44.239 --> 01:05:44.880 blues anyway? 1199 01:05:44.960 --> 01:05:45.079 Kid? 1200 01:05:45.800 --> 01:05:48.679 And he's in his coveralls, he's mopping up or whatever, 1201 01:05:48.719 --> 01:05:51.440 and he says, because I'm a blues man. And that 1202 01:05:51.639 --> 01:05:55.119 could not have been funnier for Willy to hear. He 1203 01:05:55.440 --> 01:05:58.679 laughs so much the nurse comes in to take him 1204 01:05:58.719 --> 01:06:02.280 to his medical appointment, He's laughing all the way down. 1205 01:06:02.400 --> 01:06:07.400 For Willie to finally accept Eugene as a quote unquote 1206 01:06:07.440 --> 01:06:10.599 blues man, like you said, it's a pivotal moment because 1207 01:06:10.599 --> 01:06:15.840 this whole time he's just cutting down Eugene. For they 1208 01:06:15.920 --> 01:06:17.840 have this great night at the juke joint where he 1209 01:06:18.280 --> 01:06:21.840 plays well, and Willy just cuts him down. He's half 1210 01:06:21.960 --> 01:06:24.000 drunk and he just says, look, you even you're not 1211 01:06:24.079 --> 01:06:26.199 even intent of the way there, you're not a blues man. 1212 01:06:26.400 --> 01:06:28.760 I'm only one blues man in this town and that's me. 1213 01:06:29.679 --> 01:06:32.920 And it completely crushes Eugene because this was his big 1214 01:06:33.039 --> 01:06:37.039 shining moment. So for him to finally say, you know what, 1215 01:06:37.239 --> 01:06:39.960 I accept you as a blues man. I thought that 1216 01:06:40.039 --> 01:06:42.480 was really cool. It was a cool scene. 1217 01:06:42.960 --> 01:06:44.960 Once again, I agree with you, and I'm going to 1218 01:06:45.000 --> 01:06:48.880 reiterate I needn't have Jamie Gartz in any capacity to 1219 01:06:48.920 --> 01:06:50.159 make any of those scenes work. 1220 01:06:50.920 --> 01:06:53.840 Yeah, I agree, because all to your point earlier, all 1221 01:06:53.920 --> 01:06:56.599 she does is get them in trouble. She's going to 1222 01:06:56.679 --> 01:06:59.159 hook up with some bar owner. 1223 01:06:59.559 --> 01:07:02.480 And she's a piece of shit bar owner. 1224 01:07:02.920 --> 01:07:06.559 Yeah, and and but Eugene wants to white knight and 1225 01:07:06.679 --> 01:07:09.679 save her from doing something show regret, so he comes 1226 01:07:09.719 --> 01:07:11.360 in and try to get her out of there. She 1227 01:07:11.559 --> 01:07:13.920 tells him wait behind the door for this guy to 1228 01:07:13.960 --> 01:07:15.440 come out of the bathroom and hit him over the 1229 01:07:15.480 --> 01:07:18.239 head and we'll steal his money. That goes awry. They 1230 01:07:18.280 --> 01:07:20.519 steal the guy's car, they have to later get rid 1231 01:07:20.559 --> 01:07:23.960 of it, and all this kind of stuff. Willy takes 1232 01:07:24.000 --> 01:07:26.679 them to this juke joint there's a white one across 1233 01:07:26.760 --> 01:07:29.039 the street, and he tells them going there with this 1234 01:07:29.199 --> 01:07:32.840 piece and whatever, and she fucks it up like she 1235 01:07:32.960 --> 01:07:35.880 basically she wrote. She robs the guy in there, causes 1236 01:07:35.960 --> 01:07:39.760 this big ruckus. They get kicked out. The guy confiscates 1237 01:07:39.840 --> 01:07:42.559 Eugene's guns, so they got no more gun to defend themselves. 1238 01:07:42.599 --> 01:07:45.880 Now they've got to go over to the black you know, 1239 01:07:46.079 --> 01:07:51.400 juke joint, and they're about to get like at least robbed, 1240 01:07:51.679 --> 01:07:54.559 but probably worse. And that's when Willy saves them by 1241 01:07:54.599 --> 01:07:57.000 saying bringing him up on stage and making him play music, 1242 01:07:57.320 --> 01:08:00.639 because up to that point, Francis has been nothing but trouble. 1243 01:08:01.079 --> 01:08:02.800 So I agree with you that I don't know why 1244 01:08:03.119 --> 01:08:06.000 they continue to hang out with her because she's bad. 1245 01:08:06.360 --> 01:08:10.199 And because it's her making all the fucking mistakes. It's 1246 01:08:10.280 --> 01:08:15.039 not like Eugene is learning anything throughout the movie, right, 1247 01:08:15.159 --> 01:08:19.560 It's just that he's dealing with the situations that keep arising. 1248 01:08:20.520 --> 01:08:23.640 He should be failing in there. I not only didn't 1249 01:08:23.680 --> 01:08:26.520 make us any money, but they fucking took my gun. 1250 01:08:28.479 --> 01:08:31.960 He's reacting. That's all that Eugene really does for most 1251 01:08:32.000 --> 01:08:36.000 of the trip is he's reacting to what's happening around them. 1252 01:08:37.000 --> 01:08:40.039 And playing the blues slowly. That's what Eugene's purpose is 1253 01:08:40.119 --> 01:08:40.960 for most of the movie. 1254 01:08:41.199 --> 01:08:44.199 Yeah, I agree. By the way, one of the things 1255 01:08:44.239 --> 01:08:47.159 that drove me nuts about him is so at the 1256 01:08:47.239 --> 01:08:50.520 beginning of the movie he is playing acoustic blues. He 1257 01:08:50.600 --> 01:08:52.800 has his beat up all acoustic guitar, and even Willie 1258 01:08:52.840 --> 01:08:55.640 I think it's great. He says, like, you probably bought 1259 01:08:55.720 --> 01:08:58.239 this because it looked beat up. You don't know. So 1260 01:08:58.399 --> 01:09:01.960 he takes him to a pawn shop, right, and they 1261 01:09:02.039 --> 01:09:04.520 pick they's It is a great scene. They pick up 1262 01:09:04.840 --> 01:09:09.239 an old fender. It's a seventies telecaster with the block lettering, 1263 01:09:09.359 --> 01:09:12.319 the yellow and white beautiful. And the guy gives them 1264 01:09:12.359 --> 01:09:14.039 a pig nose amp and he says, you could be 1265 01:09:14.079 --> 01:09:16.960 a walking concert with this thing. So whatever first thing 1266 01:09:17.000 --> 01:09:19.279 that bugged me is the guy says, four hundred dollars 1267 01:09:19.359 --> 01:09:22.520 and all this can be yours. That's a fucking seven 1268 01:09:22.640 --> 01:09:26.439 thousand dollars guitar alone. The guitar is seven thousand dollars. 1269 01:09:26.760 --> 01:09:29.760 The amp, that vintage jamp is probably another five hundred 1270 01:09:29.760 --> 01:09:32.800 dollars on top of that. Now fo them alone, that's 1271 01:09:32.880 --> 01:09:35.920 number one. Number two. That when they go to when 1272 01:09:36.079 --> 01:09:38.439 they go to the this abandoned house to get out 1273 01:09:38.439 --> 01:09:40.880 of the rain, that's when they meet Francis. They're running 1274 01:09:40.920 --> 01:09:43.800 through the rain. He never got a case for this 1275 01:09:44.199 --> 01:09:49.239 beautiful guitar. They're walking through torrential rain and the fucking 1276 01:09:49.319 --> 01:09:51.960 guitar is sticking out of this duffel bag that he 1277 01:09:52.000 --> 01:09:54.560 has it's stuffed into. I'm like, what are you fucking nuts? 1278 01:09:54.760 --> 01:09:58.840 You're gonna ruin that beautiful instrument, Eugene, You're such an idiot. 1279 01:09:59.079 --> 01:10:01.079 So that bugged hell out of me to see that 1280 01:10:01.319 --> 01:10:06.199 beautiful telecaster just treated like crap. Sorry, I had to 1281 01:10:06.199 --> 01:10:06.840 get off my chest. 1282 01:10:06.960 --> 01:10:10.039 No, that's I love hearing that that. I wouldn't have 1283 01:10:10.159 --> 01:10:12.439 thought of that. I would be thinking like the filmmakers 1284 01:10:12.479 --> 01:10:15.479 were thinking, put the stunt guitar on his back. Who cares? 1285 01:10:15.840 --> 01:10:16.640 Just get through the shot? 1286 01:10:17.640 --> 01:10:19.399 Just killed me to see that. Now, when I was 1287 01:10:19.439 --> 01:10:21.439 a kid, I didn't care. But now seeing that's a 1288 01:10:21.520 --> 01:10:25.439 beautiful guitar and that amp is like that that amp 1289 01:10:25.560 --> 01:10:27.600 seems like a goofy thing in the movie, but that 1290 01:10:27.760 --> 01:10:30.600 actually is a real piece of like the Rolling Stones 1291 01:10:30.720 --> 01:10:33.880 use that a lot of different bands. That was like 1292 01:10:34.439 --> 01:10:37.479 considered a cool piece of vintage gear. The other thing 1293 01:10:37.520 --> 01:10:39.199 that kind of bugged me is that the scene where 1294 01:10:39.279 --> 01:10:41.279 he's finally learned the depth of the blues and he 1295 01:10:41.319 --> 01:10:44.079 sits down to do slide guitar. This is so geeky. 1296 01:10:44.079 --> 01:10:46.079 I can't even believe I'm mentioning to you, father Blone. 1297 01:10:46.119 --> 01:10:49.119 But I've already gotten this far. He's playing the slide 1298 01:10:49.439 --> 01:10:52.720 and the sound coming out of the amp is tremolo. 1299 01:10:53.159 --> 01:10:54.720 Do you know what I mean by tremolo. It's that 1300 01:10:54.840 --> 01:10:59.399 kind of what's like a volume quickly toggling, quiet and soft, first, 1301 01:10:59.439 --> 01:11:02.479 quiet and fast. The pyg nose am did not have tremoloe. 1302 01:11:03.119 --> 01:11:05.359 I don't know. That bug the hell on me because 1303 01:11:05.439 --> 01:11:07.319 it's not true. It's not accurate. 1304 01:11:07.479 --> 01:11:07.800 Damn it. 1305 01:11:08.640 --> 01:11:10.439 That took me out of it a little bit, but 1306 01:11:10.880 --> 01:11:13.560 because the playing is beautiful, but I know for a 1307 01:11:13.640 --> 01:11:16.319 fact he's not playing through that goddamn amp. 1308 01:11:17.039 --> 01:11:19.439 Anyway, Hey, man, if you know something is wrong and 1309 01:11:19.520 --> 01:11:21.279 you're watching a movie, it's gonna take you out of it. 1310 01:11:21.920 --> 01:11:23.479 It's killing me. When are we going to talk about 1311 01:11:23.479 --> 01:11:24.800 Steve V? By the way, So. 1312 01:11:25.800 --> 01:11:28.039 Okay, wait, what do we need to talk about before 1313 01:11:28.039 --> 01:11:28.680 we get Steve Vis? 1314 01:11:28.840 --> 01:11:33.800 That's what? Okay, Let's get back to that scene where Yeah, 1315 01:11:34.239 --> 01:11:36.600 that's another scene I really liked, and I think it's 1316 01:11:37.239 --> 01:11:39.840 very It's one of the more perceptive scenes in the 1317 01:11:39.920 --> 01:11:44.000 movie where so they've taken shelter in this barn, but 1318 01:11:44.279 --> 01:11:47.479 it's not an abandoned bar, and people live someone's barn 1319 01:11:47.560 --> 01:11:50.560 in the county. This is the scene where Eugene has 1320 01:11:50.760 --> 01:11:54.159 had sex with Francis and the hayloft. Eventually the cops 1321 01:11:54.239 --> 01:11:56.920 come and they're searching the place, and it has to 1322 01:11:56.960 --> 01:11:59.960 be said, it's a whole bunch. They're African American cops. 1323 01:12:00.000 --> 01:12:03.039 He's not a white guy in the bunch. They rouse 1324 01:12:03.119 --> 01:12:04.840 them out of the barn and they take them to 1325 01:12:06.000 --> 01:12:07.720 the first thing that happens is that one of them 1326 01:12:08.640 --> 01:12:11.760 takes their money, basically says, oh, what are we here, 1327 01:12:12.159 --> 01:12:15.039 and he takes it for himself. They take them to 1328 01:12:15.239 --> 01:12:19.439 the county line and the sheriff, who I know, his 1329 01:12:19.560 --> 01:12:21.520 name is John Hancock. I've seen him in a bunch 1330 01:12:21.600 --> 01:12:23.520 of things. What if I seen him in Fathom alone. 1331 01:12:23.760 --> 01:12:25.640 Oh come on now, don't do that to me. You 1332 01:12:25.760 --> 01:12:27.239 know who I'm talking about, right, I know exactly what 1333 01:12:27.239 --> 01:12:29.560 you're talking about. The sheriff in the scene, he's fucking fantastic, 1334 01:12:30.159 --> 01:12:30.640 he's great. 1335 01:12:30.840 --> 01:12:33.399 So he's another African American gentleman. He comes out and 1336 01:12:33.439 --> 01:12:36.479 basically says to them, you know what, I don't like 1337 01:12:36.600 --> 01:12:40.319 vagrants in my county. You guys walk across that bridge, 1338 01:12:40.399 --> 01:12:44.000 then you're a sheriff. Tillman's problem not mine or whatever. 1339 01:12:44.680 --> 01:12:48.199 And Francis says, well, what about our money? She says, 1340 01:12:48.239 --> 01:12:49.680 what are you talking about? He says our money. That 1341 01:12:49.760 --> 01:12:52.520 guy took our money. And the sheriff makes a threat 1342 01:12:52.560 --> 01:12:55.319 to her and basically says, you know what, I think, 1343 01:12:55.359 --> 01:12:58.079 I'm gonna take you to the women's farm, the prison. 1344 01:12:58.159 --> 01:12:59.880 You know what, They're gonna love you there. You can 1345 01:13:00.119 --> 01:13:02.880 be there while you try to figure out what we 1346 01:13:02.960 --> 01:13:06.199 did with your money, and basically shuts her up. And 1347 01:13:06.840 --> 01:13:10.479 this is whole it's just corrupt angle. And Willie steps 1348 01:13:10.520 --> 01:13:14.159 in and says, you know what, this lot's changed in 1349 01:13:14.279 --> 01:13:16.920 this county, but I guess a lot has stayed the same, 1350 01:13:17.000 --> 01:13:19.279 ain't it. And he tips his hat and says, we'll 1351 01:13:19.319 --> 01:13:21.880 be on our way. I'd love that, because you could 1352 01:13:21.880 --> 01:13:25.000 have the scene would have played exactly the same if 1353 01:13:25.039 --> 01:13:29.079 it was the white, rednick sheriff and his cronies shaking 1354 01:13:29.159 --> 01:13:31.479 these people down and sending them on their way. But 1355 01:13:31.600 --> 01:13:35.359 the fact that the whole crew of they're African American, 1356 01:13:35.399 --> 01:13:36.800 I thought it was really cool, And the fact that 1357 01:13:36.920 --> 01:13:38.680 Willy called him out on that and said, you know what, 1358 01:13:39.359 --> 01:13:41.239 why are you doing this? This is something that I 1359 01:13:41.279 --> 01:13:44.279 would have expected during Jim crow Era. I wouldn't expect 1360 01:13:44.319 --> 01:13:46.520 it from you guys, but he just says, we'll be 1361 01:13:46.600 --> 01:13:47.920 on our way. I love that scene. 1362 01:13:48.119 --> 01:13:51.720 Police are corrupt, no matter what race they are. That's 1363 01:13:51.720 --> 01:13:54.960 a Walter Hill trope, that's true. 1364 01:13:55.920 --> 01:13:57.640 I didn't think of it in those terms, but yeah, 1365 01:13:57.680 --> 01:13:58.039 you're right. 1366 01:13:58.840 --> 01:14:01.960 Yeah, there's a bunch of Walter Hill trops on display here, 1367 01:14:02.159 --> 01:14:06.319 including my favorite, which is also race related, which is 1368 01:14:07.000 --> 01:14:09.960 because you can consider Eugene black here because he's playing 1369 01:14:10.000 --> 01:14:12.039 the blues with his pig nosamp when he goes into 1370 01:14:12.119 --> 01:14:14.600 that red neck bar, but the African American in the 1371 01:14:14.680 --> 01:14:17.159 red neck bar causing havoc because we see that in 1372 01:14:17.279 --> 01:14:20.119 forty eight Hours, we see that here, we see that 1373 01:14:20.199 --> 01:14:23.439 in one other Walter Hill film. What's the other sort 1374 01:14:23.479 --> 01:14:26.720 of big old Walter Hill trope. Look, the thing is, 1375 01:14:27.479 --> 01:14:30.439 if we didn't know Walter Hill was behind this film, 1376 01:14:31.239 --> 01:14:35.199 I might give the white savior attack a little bit 1377 01:14:35.239 --> 01:14:39.920 of credibility. But the fact is Walter Hill ain't no racist. 1378 01:14:40.199 --> 01:14:43.000 He doesn't believe white people are saving black people at all. 1379 01:14:43.720 --> 01:14:46.680 Yeah. No, that's true. And it is funny because that 1380 01:14:47.039 --> 01:14:51.159 scene in the white sort of bar across the street 1381 01:14:51.199 --> 01:14:53.840 from the black juke joint. Does it plays a little 1382 01:14:53.920 --> 01:14:57.000 bit like the scene in forty eight Hours when Reggie 1383 01:14:57.079 --> 01:14:59.720 goes into the bar pretending to be a cop and 1384 01:14:59.800 --> 01:15:02.720 kind of shakes the place down. I mean it, the 1385 01:15:03.000 --> 01:15:07.399 scene has a different arc, but it's the same. Yeah, 1386 01:15:07.560 --> 01:15:08.600 it feels the same to me. 1387 01:15:09.279 --> 01:15:13.039 I'm surprised the bar wasn't named Torchies, because that's every 1388 01:15:13.119 --> 01:15:15.199 bar in Walter Hill movies is named Torchies. 1389 01:15:16.000 --> 01:15:16.479 Is that right? 1390 01:15:16.760 --> 01:15:19.199 Oh yeah, in Streets. I didn't know that in Streets 1391 01:15:19.239 --> 01:15:20.840 to fire at the bar that Willem Dafoe that they 1392 01:15:20.880 --> 01:15:23.640 have to infiltrate what Willem Dafoe is hold up and 1393 01:15:23.760 --> 01:15:27.239 that's Torchies. The in forty eight Hours, that's Torchies. 1394 01:15:27.880 --> 01:15:29.640 So that's his See you next Wednesday. 1395 01:15:29.840 --> 01:15:33.359 Yeah, basically. And I think there was a bar in 1396 01:15:33.479 --> 01:15:37.600 downtown Los Angeles called Torches, like in the sixties and 1397 01:15:37.640 --> 01:15:39.880 seventies that he used to go to and then was 1398 01:15:39.960 --> 01:15:43.960 eventually went defunct. But he's keeping the he's keeping the 1399 01:15:44.159 --> 01:15:48.000 torch alive. Oh, it's in Brewsters Millions as well. Torchies. 1400 01:15:48.560 --> 01:15:50.439 Oh that's a Walter Hill movie. 1401 01:15:50.520 --> 01:15:53.680 Huh huh. And the other thing that why it's so 1402 01:15:53.840 --> 01:15:57.880 good as a scene is there's no refuge for them. 1403 01:15:58.439 --> 01:16:01.800 This is the idea of the blue Usman. There are 1404 01:16:01.920 --> 01:16:06.560 there is no refuge, just the music. It is hammering 1405 01:16:06.640 --> 01:16:10.600 home slowly here, thus reaffirming that we don't need Jamie 1406 01:16:10.680 --> 01:16:14.560 Gertz here, because if she's that fucking street wise, why 1407 01:16:14.720 --> 01:16:17.199 is she yelling at a cop give me back my money? 1408 01:16:17.399 --> 01:16:20.880 Did she think that was ever going to happen? Also? 1409 01:16:21.119 --> 01:16:24.119 Why are they seventeen? Let's talk about that. These are 1410 01:16:24.239 --> 01:16:27.720 clearly actors in their twenties. What are we gaining by 1411 01:16:27.800 --> 01:16:30.920 having them be seventeen? Just have them be in their twenties? 1412 01:16:30.960 --> 01:16:31.560 Who cares? 1413 01:16:32.319 --> 01:16:36.079 It didn't Yeah, I can see. I guess Eugene could 1414 01:16:36.119 --> 01:16:38.840 have been older and still have been as naive as 1415 01:16:39.159 --> 01:16:43.079 he was at seventeen or whatever. You're right about Francis though, 1416 01:16:43.079 --> 01:16:45.439 although the only reason you need her to be younger 1417 01:16:46.039 --> 01:16:49.720 is when that the racist bar owner, when they finally 1418 01:16:49.760 --> 01:16:52.399 get to drop on him, she lays a threat that 1419 01:16:52.680 --> 01:16:55.520 she's fifteen. It would not have been believable if she 1420 01:16:55.640 --> 01:16:58.039 was in her twenties. It would be hard to sell that. 1421 01:16:58.159 --> 01:17:01.399 That's the threat is she will tell on him for 1422 01:17:02.159 --> 01:17:03.680 a dalliance with a minor basic. 1423 01:17:04.000 --> 01:17:05.960 Yeah, and it's just I don't know, it's it's all 1424 01:17:06.079 --> 01:17:09.760 just off putting. She's, oh, you could have as a character. 1425 01:17:10.159 --> 01:17:13.039 She is, and you could have even if it was 1426 01:17:13.239 --> 01:17:16.600 just Eugene and Willie. There's any number of things they 1427 01:17:16.640 --> 01:17:21.600 could have gotten into that didn't involve some creepy lecherer's 1428 01:17:21.680 --> 01:17:24.520 guy who's trying to get it on with someone. They 1429 01:17:24.560 --> 01:17:27.199 could have run a foul of any number of racist 1430 01:17:27.279 --> 01:17:29.880 people on their on their journey, or people who just 1431 01:17:29.960 --> 01:17:32.960 didn't want to deal with vagrants. I don't know. You 1432 01:17:33.039 --> 01:17:35.239 have to ask uh A Fusco. See what he says. 1433 01:17:35.680 --> 01:17:38.279 We're asking Fusca, what's going on? Why did you have 1434 01:17:38.680 --> 01:17:41.000 this character? Did they make you make her? Did they 1435 01:17:41.079 --> 01:17:44.000 make you add her? We're wondering, possibly an early draft. 1436 01:17:44.039 --> 01:17:45.359 I'd love to have read an early draft. 1437 01:17:45.920 --> 01:17:48.960 Did you think she was tough enough bottom alone as 1438 01:17:49.159 --> 01:17:50.399 the actress, not the character? 1439 01:17:50.640 --> 01:17:55.880 No, I don't, because it's Jamie Gertz from Square Pegs. Listen. 1440 01:17:56.359 --> 01:18:00.880 She has that Anne Hathaway quality of theater kid. But 1441 01:18:01.079 --> 01:18:02.920 she has she doesn't have it as bad as it 1442 01:18:03.039 --> 01:18:05.399 just reeks of it, you know, the sort of superior 1443 01:18:06.319 --> 01:18:08.359 asshole theater kid quality. 1444 01:18:09.000 --> 01:18:11.479 I agree, and that was my impression. I was thinking, like, 1445 01:18:12.479 --> 01:18:16.159 if they had someone like a young rene Zelwiger who 1446 01:18:16.279 --> 01:18:18.760 had an edge to her, who could have played a 1447 01:18:18.920 --> 01:18:22.439 Texan who she just feels like she she could have 1448 01:18:22.520 --> 01:18:26.520 played tough when you see her in I'm trying to 1449 01:18:26.520 --> 01:18:26.840 think of what. 1450 01:18:27.119 --> 01:18:27.600 I don't know. 1451 01:18:27.680 --> 01:18:29.640 She just feels like she could have been more authentically 1452 01:18:30.119 --> 01:18:34.279 tough then Jamie Gertz. It's like having Sarah Jessica Parker 1453 01:18:34.479 --> 01:18:35.520 play Francis. 1454 01:18:35.640 --> 01:18:38.680 Right, It's right, she's got the chops to play the character. 1455 01:18:39.039 --> 01:18:40.279 But do you believe her? 1456 01:18:40.960 --> 01:18:43.199 And I didn't believe her. Not that it matters, because 1457 01:18:43.199 --> 01:18:46.640 we both agree that she was rather superfluous. But at 1458 01:18:46.640 --> 01:18:48.479 the end of the day, like who would you have had? 1459 01:18:48.600 --> 01:18:51.079 Who would you have preferred? Who do you think would 1460 01:18:51.079 --> 01:18:52.199 have been a better Francis. 1461 01:18:52.560 --> 01:18:55.640 See, I'm trying to run down a list of people 1462 01:18:55.720 --> 01:19:01.199 who were popular and or just working at the time, 1463 01:19:02.000 --> 01:19:06.239 and I'm just blanking on actors in their twenties at 1464 01:19:06.279 --> 01:19:06.880 this period. 1465 01:19:07.279 --> 01:19:09.920 It's not like renees Eliger was. But I'm just playing 1466 01:19:09.960 --> 01:19:10.600 fantasy here. 1467 01:19:10.760 --> 01:19:12.760 Who would I have played that part? Nobody? I would 1468 01:19:12.920 --> 01:19:15.039 cut this character out of the fucking movie. If we're 1469 01:19:15.039 --> 01:19:15.720 playing fantasy. 1470 01:19:16.520 --> 01:19:19.159 But say, say the producer said you got to have 1471 01:19:19.600 --> 01:19:21.760 a girl in this role. I don't care what you 1472 01:19:21.840 --> 01:19:24.479 think about the story. Let's just do this. Who would 1473 01:19:24.520 --> 01:19:27.800 you if you had to pick somebody I want Dase Eliger. 1474 01:19:28.479 --> 01:19:31.159 I wouldn't put Renes Eliger, and I would cast specific 1475 01:19:31.199 --> 01:19:33.520 to eighty five. You know what, I put young Melanie 1476 01:19:33.520 --> 01:19:35.920 Griffith in that role. And I'll tell you why. Because 1477 01:19:36.000 --> 01:19:39.199 Melie Griffith comes off like a fucking badass, you know 1478 01:19:39.279 --> 01:19:42.079 what you can around the same time she's in body 1479 01:19:42.159 --> 01:19:44.800 double and her speech about what she will and won't 1480 01:19:44.840 --> 01:19:46.960 do as a porn actress. I believed every fucking word 1481 01:19:47.000 --> 01:19:50.199 of her. There's no question she can be tough. But 1482 01:19:50.920 --> 01:19:53.119 if this character is supposed to if we have to 1483 01:19:53.199 --> 01:19:56.479 have the fucking character and she's just there to inspire 1484 01:19:56.600 --> 01:19:59.840 the blues in Eugene, then at least make her a goddess. 1485 01:20:00.479 --> 01:20:02.359 What about someone like Lori Petty. 1486 01:20:03.000 --> 01:20:05.800 No, I would believe that it looks she's spunky enough 1487 01:20:05.840 --> 01:20:06.680 to have been the character. 1488 01:20:06.840 --> 01:20:09.199 Yes, okay, I just you know, we don't have to 1489 01:20:09.239 --> 01:20:11.840 go that much further with this. I just as a 1490 01:20:11.880 --> 01:20:14.079 thought experiment. I thought it was interesting to see because 1491 01:20:14.079 --> 01:20:17.039 I didn't. I agree. I didn't buy her as she 1492 01:20:17.239 --> 01:20:19.840 wasn't tough enough. I don't no knock on her abilities 1493 01:20:19.880 --> 01:20:22.560 as an actor. I just thought someone else might have 1494 01:20:22.640 --> 01:20:24.680 done a better had a better edge to them. 1495 01:20:25.239 --> 01:20:30.079 Good performance, bad character, and unbelievable actor in a role. 1496 01:20:30.159 --> 01:20:31.239 I just don't believe them. 1497 01:20:31.399 --> 01:20:32.960 Sorry, yeah, agreed. 1498 01:20:33.439 --> 01:20:34.920 Where do we go from here? Which is the way 1499 01:20:35.000 --> 01:20:35.479 that's clear? 1500 01:20:36.000 --> 01:20:37.439 I tell you what we have to get to. We 1501 01:20:37.600 --> 01:20:40.439 get to get to the climax of the story where 1502 01:20:40.640 --> 01:20:43.880 you know, now we So they've gone down to the crossroads. Eugene, 1503 01:20:43.920 --> 01:20:47.479 they made it. Eugene and Willie. They they set up 1504 01:20:47.520 --> 01:20:50.960 this double or nothing bet with the Devil that if 1505 01:20:51.880 --> 01:20:56.319 if Eugene can cut heads with Legba's proxy, this guy 1506 01:20:56.439 --> 01:21:00.560 named Jack Butler, then he will rip up Willy's contract. 1507 01:21:00.680 --> 01:21:03.800 But if he doesn't, if he loses to Jack Butler, 1508 01:21:04.760 --> 01:21:08.479 the Devil gets Eugene and or he gets Willy and Eugene. 1509 01:21:08.640 --> 01:21:12.520 So Eugene is putting his soul on the line for Willie. 1510 01:21:12.640 --> 01:21:17.479 So they're magically transported essentially to this juke joint where if. 1511 01:21:17.439 --> 01:21:19.399 You lose, the devil gets your soul. 1512 01:21:20.119 --> 01:21:22.720 That was yet that's you know, that's probably something that 1513 01:21:23.720 --> 01:21:27.039 maybe helped prime me for liking this movie, because I 1514 01:21:27.039 --> 01:21:29.119 always loved that song The Devil Went Down to Georgia, 1515 01:21:29.560 --> 01:21:33.239 the appeal of the legend of the guy playing the 1516 01:21:33.399 --> 01:21:36.840 devil for the Golden Violin. I just I don't know. 1517 01:21:37.000 --> 01:21:39.239 I always love that song. I don't love Charlie Daniels, 1518 01:21:39.279 --> 01:21:40.000 but I love that song. 1519 01:21:40.159 --> 01:21:42.239 It's a great song. Man, if it comes on the 1520 01:21:42.319 --> 01:21:45.359 fucking radio, it's getting turned up to full volume in my. 1521 01:21:45.479 --> 01:21:47.399 Car without a doubt. So we end up in this 1522 01:21:47.520 --> 01:21:50.800 club and we get our first look at Jack Butler, 1523 01:21:51.439 --> 01:21:53.760 played by none other than Steve I. Now Steve I. 1524 01:21:54.760 --> 01:21:56.159 Just to catch people up a little bit. I know 1525 01:21:56.199 --> 01:21:59.680 everybody kind of has this impression of who Steve I is, 1526 01:21:59.720 --> 01:22:04.119 and I'm sure that that is, but let's I don't 1527 01:22:04.119 --> 01:22:08.800 think people necessarily understand that Steve VII is really he's 1528 01:22:08.880 --> 01:22:12.840 a prodigy. The guy started in Frank Zappa's band when 1529 01:22:12.840 --> 01:22:15.600 he was something like nineteen or twenty years old. He 1530 01:22:15.760 --> 01:22:20.199 transcribed the song for Zappa called the Black Pages. It 1531 01:22:20.319 --> 01:22:25.520 was this notoriously difficult composition that Zappa wrote for drums 1532 01:22:25.760 --> 01:22:28.960 and melodic percussion, and Steve I transcribed it for him 1533 01:22:29.640 --> 01:22:32.600 and sent it to Zappa, and Zappa was so impressed 1534 01:22:33.199 --> 01:22:36.039 that he brought him in to do transcriptions and eventually 1535 01:22:36.560 --> 01:22:38.880 brought him into his touring band in nineteen eighty. He 1536 01:22:39.039 --> 01:22:41.720 was so it's not as if Steve I was just 1537 01:22:41.800 --> 01:22:44.880 this guy wanking off on his guitar and doing all 1538 01:22:44.960 --> 01:22:47.479 these things. The guy has chops. The guy put in 1539 01:22:47.640 --> 01:22:53.560 the time and the effort, and he's solid technically, and theoretically, 1540 01:22:53.640 --> 01:22:57.039 there's no one more solid than this guy. Originally, though, let's. 1541 01:22:56.880 --> 01:23:00.920 See Steve's getting Do you think he's a fucking terrible actor? 1542 01:23:01.600 --> 01:23:04.960 I don't. I think this is his I'm saying, from 1543 01:23:05.079 --> 01:23:09.920 the producer's director's perspective, would it not benefit them to 1544 01:23:10.159 --> 01:23:11.960 cast Steve VII as Eugene? 1545 01:23:12.439 --> 01:23:15.720 Oh, you're talking about having him play Eugene. I don't 1546 01:23:15.720 --> 01:23:17.479 see that at all, because I don't think he could 1547 01:23:17.479 --> 01:23:19.640 have pulled that off. He's too old looking. He couldn't 1548 01:23:19.680 --> 01:23:21.199 have pulled off someone that young. 1549 01:23:21.840 --> 01:23:23.560 See, I'm just wondering if he can act at all. 1550 01:23:24.039 --> 01:23:24.640 I don't think he. 1551 01:23:24.840 --> 01:23:26.600 I think this is what he was in this movie 1552 01:23:27.359 --> 01:23:29.680 is not acting. It's just him being Steve VII. 1553 01:23:30.520 --> 01:23:32.039 But but I think you're under selling it. I think 1554 01:23:32.079 --> 01:23:33.279 there is a little bit of acting. 1555 01:23:34.000 --> 01:23:36.840 Yeah, when he when he starts to get flustered, Yes, definitely, 1556 01:23:37.239 --> 01:23:40.159 But it's not like we're seeing him realize the meaning 1557 01:23:40.199 --> 01:23:40.840 of the Blues. 1558 01:23:41.439 --> 01:23:43.840 No, I think he I think if you talked to 1559 01:23:43.880 --> 01:23:45.800 Steve VI, I think he would agree with you that 1560 01:23:45.960 --> 01:23:47.640 he is or I think he would be the first 1561 01:23:47.720 --> 01:23:49.600 to admit that he's no actor. 1562 01:23:49.800 --> 01:23:52.000 Okay, No, and I'm look, I'm not bagging on his 1563 01:23:52.359 --> 01:23:55.279 I'm wondering if he could have acted, do you think 1564 01:23:55.319 --> 01:23:58.159 they would have cast him? Do you think they tested him? 1565 01:23:58.920 --> 01:23:58.960 No? 1566 01:24:00.039 --> 01:24:04.319 Percent, I don't know. Here's the whole story behind his involvement. Originally, 1567 01:24:04.399 --> 01:24:07.520 father alone, it wasn't He wasn't even the one who 1568 01:24:07.640 --> 01:24:10.800 was going to be Jack Butler. Originally it was supposed 1569 01:24:10.800 --> 01:24:14.720 to be ry Cooter was gonna be the devil's proxy. 1570 01:24:15.000 --> 01:24:16.560 It was gonna be him, and it was supposed to 1571 01:24:16.560 --> 01:24:20.199 be a slide guitar duel. Oh my god, no, but 1572 01:24:20.359 --> 01:24:23.000 hold your horses now. It was gonna be between him 1573 01:24:23.119 --> 01:24:25.720 and Eugene, and ry Cooter was all primed he was 1574 01:24:25.760 --> 01:24:30.560 going to do this, but they realized during the rehearsals 1575 01:24:30.600 --> 01:24:32.439 and everything that it wasn't working at. 1576 01:24:32.319 --> 01:24:36.600 All, and in fact, the music was too similar. 1577 01:24:37.279 --> 01:24:39.760 Yes, because it because Arlen Roth, who I talked about 1578 01:24:39.760 --> 01:24:43.119 at the top of this episode. He on his SoundCloud 1579 01:24:43.159 --> 01:24:46.960 page you can go, he posted the original headcutting duel 1580 01:24:47.039 --> 01:24:51.439 between ry Cooter and him right because it was him 1581 01:24:51.520 --> 01:24:54.600 doing the slide guitar for Eugene, I believe, and it 1582 01:24:54.720 --> 01:24:57.439 is so samy it's hard to tell who's playing what. 1583 01:24:58.159 --> 01:25:01.159 I think it was the right call to bring someone 1584 01:25:01.239 --> 01:25:04.680 else in because it just would have been it. The 1585 01:25:04.840 --> 01:25:07.399 beauty of bringing Steve Vaian is not only is he 1586 01:25:07.600 --> 01:25:11.960 very theatrical and he looks the part, but having somebody 1587 01:25:12.039 --> 01:25:16.680 who's playing a more contemporary style still blues, but he's 1588 01:25:16.760 --> 01:25:19.479 playing it in such a showy because what he's doing 1589 01:25:19.600 --> 01:25:23.239 is he's actually doing Paganini. Believe it or not, He's Paganini, 1590 01:25:23.560 --> 01:25:27.920 who's Caprice number five is the basis for Eugene's trick bag, 1591 01:25:28.560 --> 01:25:32.680 the thing that wins him the duel. Paganini was another 1592 01:25:32.920 --> 01:25:35.960 musician who was thought to have sold his soul to 1593 01:25:36.079 --> 01:25:38.760 the devil because he was such a brilliant musician and 1594 01:25:38.960 --> 01:25:41.520 when he would perform, he would do things like throw 1595 01:25:41.600 --> 01:25:44.199 his head back, roll his eyes up, and you know, 1596 01:25:45.039 --> 01:25:47.079 in the back of his head and do all this stuff. 1597 01:25:47.159 --> 01:25:49.680 That's what Steve I's doing there, He's doing Paganini. 1598 01:25:50.159 --> 01:25:52.640 So Paganini had the original guitar face. 1599 01:25:53.960 --> 01:25:54.520 Pretty much. 1600 01:25:55.199 --> 01:25:58.600 He is worshiping at the altar of Paganini when we 1601 01:25:58.680 --> 01:26:00.520 saw him on SNL all those times. 1602 01:26:01.720 --> 01:26:03.600 I guess you could look at it that way, but 1603 01:26:04.039 --> 01:26:07.880 but you need to have that that friction between the 1604 01:26:08.039 --> 01:26:11.319 classic blues slide guitar style that Eugene brings up, the 1605 01:26:11.960 --> 01:26:16.680 quote unquote authentic blues and this guy who's playing this 1606 01:26:17.279 --> 01:26:21.920 metalized eighties version of blues. So you have to have that. 1607 01:26:22.119 --> 01:26:24.800 This is a this is essentially a boxing match between 1608 01:26:24.840 --> 01:27:14.640 the two of them. I will stump for Steve I 1609 01:27:14.840 --> 01:27:17.319 in this all the time. I mean, if I'm going 1610 01:27:17.399 --> 01:27:20.159 to watch any part of Crossroads, It's going to be 1611 01:27:20.319 --> 01:27:23.119 the headcut and duel ten times out of ten. 1612 01:27:23.479 --> 01:27:26.039 You know. It's funny as a kid watching this movie 1613 01:27:26.199 --> 01:27:28.479 over and over again. I understand the importance of the scene, 1614 01:27:28.520 --> 01:27:31.880 and I like the scene, but it didn't register with 1615 01:27:32.079 --> 01:27:34.479 me what was going on between these two. It was 1616 01:27:35.159 --> 01:27:37.479 I was watching them play until one couldn't do what 1617 01:27:37.560 --> 01:27:39.920 the other did, and then he won. That was what 1618 01:27:40.079 --> 01:27:42.399 it was. To me on the rewatch now it was 1619 01:27:42.520 --> 01:27:44.600 what you're saying, and I do agree with you now. 1620 01:27:44.960 --> 01:27:49.199 Hearing Steve I playing these very modern, very sort of 1621 01:27:49.439 --> 01:27:53.840 mid eighties metally versions of a bluesy kind of a 1622 01:27:53.920 --> 01:27:57.880 riff and then having having it repeated back with a 1623 01:27:58.039 --> 01:28:01.680 slide guitar and hearing them bounding off of one another 1624 01:28:01.920 --> 01:28:05.600 was fucking awesome to hear. Like I didn't appreciate how 1625 01:28:05.920 --> 01:28:09.439 excellent that portion of the music was. My thing about 1626 01:28:09.439 --> 01:28:12.079 Walter Hill's movies and Ry Cooter was I like Ry 1627 01:28:12.239 --> 01:28:15.520 Cooter and I liked his sound, and so this sort 1628 01:28:15.560 --> 01:28:18.560 of attack of different styles didn't land with me as 1629 01:28:18.600 --> 01:28:19.600 a kid, but now it does. 1630 01:28:20.000 --> 01:28:23.760 Yeah, And don't forget that when I just I love 1631 01:28:24.039 --> 01:28:28.239 the arc of the whole guitar battle because it starts 1632 01:28:28.279 --> 01:28:30.560 off they feel each other out, and then there's a 1633 01:28:30.680 --> 01:28:35.279 moment where because Jack Butler's just throwing riffs basically at 1634 01:28:35.359 --> 01:28:36.920 Eugene to see if he can keep up or if 1635 01:28:36.960 --> 01:28:41.159 he's worthy of engaging in this duel, and Eugene gives 1636 01:28:41.199 --> 01:28:43.479 as good as he gets, and at that point, Jack 1637 01:28:43.560 --> 01:28:46.079 Butler takes off his guitar, takes off his jacket, and 1638 01:28:46.199 --> 01:28:48.079 that's when you know, as a viewer, all right, this 1639 01:28:48.279 --> 01:28:50.439 is going up to a higher gear. Now, this is 1640 01:28:50.520 --> 01:28:53.960 really on. And then they play this song together and 1641 01:28:54.159 --> 01:28:57.399 it feels like Eugene's about to fucking win it all. 1642 01:28:58.039 --> 01:29:01.039 And that's when Jack Butler hits him again with this 1643 01:29:01.159 --> 01:29:04.119 little solo piece. And one of the unique things about 1644 01:29:04.119 --> 01:29:07.000 STEVI that kind of puts him in a different category 1645 01:29:07.079 --> 01:29:09.319 from somebody like Eddie van Halen at the risk of 1646 01:29:09.399 --> 01:29:11.800 being sacrilegious about this, is that Steve I had the 1647 01:29:11.880 --> 01:29:17.640 ability to make his guitar talk in a very real sense, 1648 01:29:17.720 --> 01:29:21.479 Like there's a moment where they he launches into the 1649 01:29:21.600 --> 01:29:25.319 solo to basically tell Eugene in musical terms like this 1650 01:29:25.479 --> 01:29:29.399 is it. I'm taking control, You're done. And he plays 1651 01:29:29.439 --> 01:29:31.359 this little bit and he kind of bows to Eugene, 1652 01:29:31.399 --> 01:29:33.560 and then he bows to the audience and then he 1653 01:29:33.640 --> 01:29:35.720 does this kind of hot thing with his whammy bar. 1654 01:29:36.079 --> 01:29:40.399 It's so you know, it's so unique and so Steve I, 1655 01:29:40.880 --> 01:29:44.079 and so you know what he's saying, even if he's 1656 01:29:44.119 --> 01:30:25.880 not using words to do it. And it's easy to 1657 01:30:25.920 --> 01:30:28.800 see why Steve VI became the sound for Bill and 1658 01:30:28.880 --> 01:30:31.000 Ted's air guitar because he did all the Air Guitar, 1659 01:30:31.079 --> 01:30:32.720 and all the Bill and Ted movies. 1660 01:30:32.800 --> 01:30:37.000 Excellent, all the props in the world. Is Steve Vie 1661 01:30:37.079 --> 01:30:40.399 man of everyone from the nineteen eighties. He always seemed 1662 01:30:40.439 --> 01:30:43.279 like the solid performer. He seemed like the guy who 1663 01:30:43.359 --> 01:30:45.319 actually knew what he was doing and was doing it 1664 01:30:45.319 --> 01:30:46.119 in an interesting way. 1665 01:30:46.680 --> 01:30:49.560 He's a very I've since looked up a lot of 1666 01:30:49.640 --> 01:30:52.039 his videos. He's a very humble guy for somebody who 1667 01:30:52.079 --> 01:30:55.039 can basically play his ass off at whatever he is. 1668 01:30:55.159 --> 01:30:56.920 I think he's like in his late sixties now, he's 1669 01:30:56.960 --> 01:30:59.640 pretty old. But what I was leading up to was, 1670 01:31:00.039 --> 01:31:02.479 so he does this little piece and he's basically trying 1671 01:31:02.600 --> 01:31:05.920 to close the case on Eugene, and that's it. And 1672 01:31:05.960 --> 01:31:08.920 then Eugene launches into what's known as Eugene's trick bag, 1673 01:31:09.000 --> 01:31:12.600 which is that caprice number five by Paganini. That's Steve 1674 01:31:12.680 --> 01:32:21.279 v playing that. That's the one piece of this duel 1675 01:32:21.399 --> 01:32:25.840 that neither Arlen Roth nor Raykotera are playing so effectively. 1676 01:32:25.920 --> 01:32:29.800 Steve I is playing against himself at that point, which 1677 01:32:29.840 --> 01:32:31.720 I think is it still blows my mind when. 1678 01:32:31.640 --> 01:32:34.199 I'm the only person who can defeat Steve is. 1679 01:32:34.199 --> 01:32:36.720 Steve VII and as a kid, I used to eat 1680 01:32:36.800 --> 01:32:39.880 up these guitar magazines. I was just learning how to 1681 01:32:39.880 --> 01:32:42.800 play guitar, so I'd buy guitar player, guitar for the 1682 01:32:42.880 --> 01:32:46.680 practicing musician guitar world. And I guarantee you at least 1683 01:32:46.800 --> 01:32:49.800 once a year after that movie came out, somebody would 1684 01:32:49.800 --> 01:32:53.000 do a transcription of some piece from Crossroads. It could 1685 01:32:53.039 --> 01:32:55.279 be the trick Bag, it could be the head cut 1686 01:32:55.399 --> 01:32:57.920 and duel. You would see this laid out in tabulatair. 1687 01:32:57.960 --> 01:33:00.880 Because and even now you go to and there's still 1688 01:33:00.880 --> 01:33:04.800 people doing covers of this piece of music. It's not 1689 01:33:04.960 --> 01:33:07.920 only was I, in my own small way inspired by 1690 01:33:08.000 --> 01:33:11.239 all of this, but I would it's no exaggeration to 1691 01:33:11.319 --> 01:33:14.439 say that countless other people were also inspired. And the 1692 01:33:14.520 --> 01:33:16.920 proof is in, like I said, these videos, all these 1693 01:33:16.960 --> 01:33:19.960 magazine articles, even now, it's still people. When Steve I 1694 01:33:20.279 --> 01:33:24.000 performs live now fatherm alone, Okay, think back when when 1695 01:33:24.279 --> 01:33:28.159 he first launches into the guitar duel, he does this 1696 01:33:28.279 --> 01:33:31.479 sort of slow chugging riff with like almost like a 1697 01:33:31.600 --> 01:33:35.640 Horsey Soundary goes doooo. He made that into his own 1698 01:33:35.760 --> 01:33:38.800 song called bad Horsey on one of his albums. When 1699 01:33:38.840 --> 01:33:42.800 he performs live the movie screen behind him cuts to 1700 01:33:42.880 --> 01:33:46.119 a scene from Crossroads. It's Legba saying, oh, Jack Butler's 1701 01:33:46.119 --> 01:33:50.920 gonna love you, and he mimes the first whatever intro 1702 01:33:51.399 --> 01:33:54.479 to Bad Horsey, which is essentially the piece from Crossroads. 1703 01:33:54.880 --> 01:33:57.640 Steve I has embraced this. I think Steve I loves 1704 01:33:57.680 --> 01:34:00.840 the fact that he is no to a certain segment 1705 01:34:00.880 --> 01:34:04.159 of the population as Jack Butler, and he's embraced it 1706 01:34:04.239 --> 01:34:06.720 to the point where he plays Crossroads at all of 1707 01:34:06.800 --> 01:34:08.600 his live shows. Now, I think that's awesome. 1708 01:34:09.279 --> 01:34:12.039 He definitely should. Why wouldn't he, My God, he is 1709 01:34:12.119 --> 01:34:14.640 Jack Butler, He's the Devil's He's the Devil's guy. 1710 01:34:15.399 --> 01:34:17.279 It's great. The guitar, by the way, is in the 1711 01:34:17.319 --> 01:34:19.479 hard Rock Cafe Biloxi, Mississippi. 1712 01:34:19.800 --> 01:34:22.159 Can I just say that Legba and the Devil are 1713 01:34:22.199 --> 01:34:23.079 not analogs? 1714 01:34:23.520 --> 01:34:27.319 Well, Legba is like some sort of demon, it's not 1715 01:34:27.439 --> 01:34:30.279 actually the Devil. So I guess we're playing fast and 1716 01:34:30.399 --> 01:34:33.199 loose with the language by calling but he's essentially the Devil, right, 1717 01:34:33.560 --> 01:34:33.760 I know. 1718 01:34:33.840 --> 01:34:36.079 I'm just you know what you're telling me. The fucking 1719 01:34:36.199 --> 01:34:38.800 telecaster costs seven thousand dollars. I'm telling you that leg 1720 01:34:39.000 --> 01:34:40.159 and the Devil aren't the same thing. 1721 01:34:41.640 --> 01:34:44.640 This is the ven diagram of our actionship. 1722 01:34:44.840 --> 01:34:45.239 That's right. 1723 01:34:45.920 --> 01:34:50.319 It's an intersecting here with telecasters and demonology. That's perfect. 1724 01:34:53.159 --> 01:34:54.920 It actually sums this up, doesn't it. 1725 01:34:55.680 --> 01:34:59.319 It is. It's amazing we've done it, Father Blone. This 1726 01:34:59.560 --> 01:35:03.399 is like the what is that that the resetta stone 1727 01:35:03.479 --> 01:35:05.760 of our friendship is right here at Crossroads? 1728 01:35:06.079 --> 01:35:08.319 Just nearly forty years to figure it out, but thank 1729 01:35:08.399 --> 01:35:11.199 God for that come along, Thank you John Fusco for 1730 01:35:11.319 --> 01:35:13.720 bringing us together and sorting out our relationship. 1731 01:35:14.239 --> 01:35:16.359 Really, and can I say how pissed I am that 1732 01:35:16.520 --> 01:35:19.239 Britney Spears movie existsank you? 1733 01:35:19.800 --> 01:35:23.279 Because every time I mention I'm gonna be watching Crossroads, 1734 01:35:23.279 --> 01:35:26.159 we're gonna talk Crossroads, I get the really you're gonna 1735 01:35:26.159 --> 01:35:28.239 talk about that, and I'm like, no, not the Britney 1736 01:35:28.239 --> 01:35:30.720 Spears moving like, oh there's another one. Yeah, there's a 1737 01:35:30.760 --> 01:35:31.600 fucking another one. 1738 01:35:32.159 --> 01:35:33.000 It's unfortunate. 1739 01:35:33.720 --> 01:35:35.920 Okay, Can we talk the cutting head scene from a 1740 01:35:35.960 --> 01:35:38.960 different perspective. Now we can both agree it's a fucking 1741 01:35:39.039 --> 01:35:42.760 fantastic scene musically, dramatically. Now we got to talk about race, 1742 01:35:43.199 --> 01:35:47.920 because if Eugene were black in this scene, it would 1743 01:35:47.960 --> 01:35:50.720 be that much more powerful that when he shows up 1744 01:35:50.800 --> 01:35:54.279 the Devil's Yeah, being black doesn't even count anymore. This 1745 01:35:54.479 --> 01:35:57.239 white guy, it can beat you easily. That would have 1746 01:35:57.279 --> 01:36:00.920 been great. That doesn't necessarily mean that the as is bad, 1747 01:36:01.600 --> 01:36:05.319 But there is this weird implication that the blues is 1748 01:36:05.479 --> 01:36:11.000 defeated by white classical music that I find a little disturbing. 1749 01:36:10.960 --> 01:36:14.560 That I don't disagree. I will let me bring up 1750 01:36:14.600 --> 01:36:16.079 another piece of this. 1751 01:36:16.319 --> 01:36:18.520 And here's the thing. And I would not say it 1752 01:36:18.920 --> 01:36:21.960 if Eugene were black, because it would be like, oh, 1753 01:36:22.039 --> 01:36:24.279 by the way, white person, here's your own music, and 1754 01:36:24.399 --> 01:36:26.439 you can't play it as good as I can. Then 1755 01:36:26.479 --> 01:36:27.359 it would have been something. 1756 01:36:27.760 --> 01:36:30.760 Well, what's interesting is that there's another piece to this 1757 01:36:31.000 --> 01:36:35.319 that maybe will lend some credence to that. Originally, when 1758 01:36:35.399 --> 01:36:40.039 Eugene and Willy arrived at this juke joint, they see 1759 01:36:40.159 --> 01:36:43.680 Jack Butler cutting heads with another guy. So the guy 1760 01:36:43.800 --> 01:36:47.600 before Eugene, right, this guitar player that was going to 1761 01:36:47.680 --> 01:36:50.359 cut heads with Jack Butler at the beginning of the 1762 01:36:50.399 --> 01:36:52.319 scene was a guy named shuggy Otis. Have you ever 1763 01:36:52.359 --> 01:36:57.199 heard of shuggy Otis? Chuggy Otis is this unsung guitar 1764 01:36:57.479 --> 01:37:01.359 songwriting Prodigy. Okay, he did an album called Inspiration Information, 1765 01:37:01.880 --> 01:37:04.239 which is one of my favorites. He wrote the song 1766 01:37:04.439 --> 01:37:07.399 A Strawberry Letter twenty three, which was done by the 1767 01:37:07.439 --> 01:37:09.760 Brothers Johnson. You've probably heard the song, maybe you don't 1768 01:37:09.760 --> 01:37:12.439 remember it offhand, but he's he was a guitar in 1769 01:37:12.560 --> 01:37:16.239 Blues Prodigy. This guy, Shuggy Otis. Anyone who's listening, look 1770 01:37:16.319 --> 01:37:19.039 him up. I'm telling you, he's the real deal. Anyway, 1771 01:37:19.760 --> 01:37:23.239 shuggy Otis is African American. So the scene was going 1772 01:37:23.319 --> 01:37:26.600 to begin with Jack Butler cutting heads with a black 1773 01:37:26.680 --> 01:37:31.600 man and winning. Okay, basically, shuggy Otis couldn't do it 1774 01:37:31.720 --> 01:37:35.520 and he loses. They cut that out of the scene 1775 01:37:36.279 --> 01:37:39.680 partly because they even at the time, they thought the 1776 01:37:39.800 --> 01:37:44.159 optics of having this white guy beat a black guitarist 1777 01:37:44.359 --> 01:37:48.119 in the setting would have been what would have been 1778 01:37:48.199 --> 01:37:51.000 too much, would not have sat well with the audience. 1779 01:37:51.039 --> 01:37:53.920 And I would agree with them on that to a 1780 01:37:54.000 --> 01:37:54.560 certain degree. 1781 01:37:55.239 --> 01:37:59.479 So that's alleviated. If you Gene is black. Look, here's 1782 01:37:59.520 --> 01:38:02.760 the thing. Eugene should have been black. The movie works 1783 01:38:02.840 --> 01:38:05.079 as it is. I'm not saying it doesn't. Eugene should 1784 01:38:05.119 --> 01:38:08.960 have been black. The movie he's so much better if 1785 01:38:09.000 --> 01:38:10.520 he was it will. 1786 01:38:10.479 --> 01:38:12.359 But here's one point I want to make on that. 1787 01:38:12.840 --> 01:38:16.199 And if Francis were also black, then that character would 1788 01:38:16.199 --> 01:38:20.039 work a little bit more for me. But here's the podcast. Okay, 1789 01:38:20.439 --> 01:38:25.000 I call for a remake of Crossroads. Maybe make my 1790 01:38:25.079 --> 01:38:25.479 point here. 1791 01:38:25.840 --> 01:38:29.279 The issue there, Malone is if you have a Eugene 1792 01:38:29.399 --> 01:38:33.279 be black, then it's not then him going on this 1793 01:38:33.520 --> 01:38:36.520 journey with Willie, he's not going to learn anything because 1794 01:38:36.640 --> 01:38:40.279 being black, he's going to already be pro all these things. 1795 01:38:40.600 --> 01:38:46.199 If Eugene is a black kid from urban New York 1796 01:38:46.920 --> 01:38:51.600 who has had no experience with what caused that music 1797 01:38:51.680 --> 01:38:54.600 in the first place, because he's never been treated that 1798 01:38:54.720 --> 01:38:59.399 the way those guys were treated, then that the journey 1799 01:38:59.439 --> 01:39:02.119 becomes even more valid because it's teaching him about his 1800 01:39:02.199 --> 01:39:05.720 own cultural past that he has no connection to because 1801 01:39:05.720 --> 01:39:07.520 he's been living in an urban environment. 1802 01:39:07.960 --> 01:39:10.880 But he would have been an African American kid in 1803 01:39:10.960 --> 01:39:14.399 the middle of New York City. There's no I think 1804 01:39:14.399 --> 01:39:16.800 there's very little chance that even if he had grown 1805 01:39:16.880 --> 01:39:20.479 up sheltered him, going to Juilliard and being in that environment, 1806 01:39:20.840 --> 01:39:25.119 he must have been privy to racism in some to 1807 01:39:25.239 --> 01:39:26.119 some degree. 1808 01:39:26.119 --> 01:39:28.119 Yes, he would have been. He would have been privy 1809 01:39:28.199 --> 01:39:32.159 to snide, sneering racism. He wouldn't have been privy to 1810 01:39:32.760 --> 01:39:35.600 get on the ground. We're taking your money. You're lucky. 1811 01:39:35.640 --> 01:39:37.720 We don't fucking kill you here or ship you off 1812 01:39:37.760 --> 01:39:41.399 to the fucking state farm until we decide whether or 1813 01:39:41.439 --> 01:39:44.720 not you're worth prosecuting consequences. 1814 01:39:47.359 --> 01:39:49.800 You're very you're very determined about my point. 1815 01:39:49.920 --> 01:39:52.439 Look, man, I really this movie and I just want 1816 01:39:52.479 --> 01:39:55.560 it to be better, and it's so close to being perfect. 1817 01:39:56.159 --> 01:39:58.079 Then let me turn this around. Who could you have 1818 01:39:58.279 --> 01:40:02.800 had play an act for kin? American Eugene Denzel Washington. 1819 01:40:02.960 --> 01:40:06.479 We're talking nineteen eighty five, too old? No, okay, what's 1820 01:40:06.520 --> 01:40:06.880 his name? 1821 01:40:07.119 --> 01:40:11.359 Fuck? Oh Sagarera, what's your name? 1822 01:40:11.800 --> 01:40:11.960 Oh? 1823 01:40:12.159 --> 01:40:17.319 Forrest Whittaker, Orest Whittaker, nineteen eighty five, long and thin 1824 01:40:18.119 --> 01:40:21.319 sel Remember him in Color of Money, where he's playing 1825 01:40:21.359 --> 01:40:24.119 a dummy just so he can hustle fucking Paul Newman, 1826 01:40:24.159 --> 01:40:25.920 and then he takes all of Paul Newman's money. 1827 01:40:26.079 --> 01:40:29.479 Ah, that might have been interesting. I actually, I'm I'm 1828 01:40:29.520 --> 01:40:31.680 beginning to see your point a little bit, Father Molonte. 1829 01:40:31.720 --> 01:40:33.359 I still think it's hard. 1830 01:40:33.439 --> 01:40:37.079 Whittaker in Crossroads it would have been a whole other movie. 1831 01:40:37.079 --> 01:40:40.159 It would have been this like dramatic, dynamic thing. As 1832 01:40:40.239 --> 01:40:44.319 it is, it's just a fun adventure movie with Ralph Maaccia. 1833 01:40:44.880 --> 01:40:47.640 You might be onto something there because because it definitely 1834 01:40:47.760 --> 01:40:51.960 becomes there's more of an edge when you have Forrest Whittaker, 1835 01:40:52.000 --> 01:40:53.920 and he could play funny too, he could make he 1836 01:40:54.000 --> 01:40:58.520 can play charming and man, that could have been really good. Actually, 1837 01:40:58.760 --> 01:41:01.399 I'm seeing him there with Joe Seneca going through all 1838 01:41:01.439 --> 01:41:03.439 these same adventures. I think it could be good. 1839 01:41:03.640 --> 01:41:07.079 Toe to toe with Joe Seneca, Joe Senica putting Forrest 1840 01:41:07.199 --> 01:41:11.000 Whittaker in his place? Are you kidding? And then Forrest 1841 01:41:11.079 --> 01:41:14.960 Whittaker walking into that room with Steve v and getting 1842 01:41:15.079 --> 01:41:17.760 pummeled for a while and then going oh, yeah, you 1843 01:41:17.840 --> 01:41:20.000 know what, let me play some classical Steve Vie. What 1844 01:41:20.079 --> 01:41:20.520 do you think of that? 1845 01:41:21.199 --> 01:41:24.279 And when you know it's always weird about that scene 1846 01:41:24.760 --> 01:41:28.359 File them alone. They win the head cutting duel and 1847 01:41:28.640 --> 01:41:31.920 the Devil or leg Book aka Scratch, tears up the 1848 01:41:31.960 --> 01:41:35.159 contract and they finished the blues song and then there's 1849 01:41:35.239 --> 01:41:37.800 this weird fade out and it becomes Cpa toned on 1850 01:41:37.880 --> 01:41:40.439 the Crossroads. Are we meant to believe that they've been 1851 01:41:40.640 --> 01:41:43.640 just and Eugene has this confused look on his face. 1852 01:41:43.680 --> 01:41:46.239 Are we meant to believe that they've just been transported 1853 01:41:46.479 --> 01:41:48.640 instantaneously back to the crossroads? 1854 01:41:49.399 --> 01:41:52.600 They are, definitely, Yes, they're now back at the crossroads. 1855 01:41:52.159 --> 01:41:56.159 But so so Eugene's confusion is this temporal confusion where 1856 01:41:56.199 --> 01:41:59.600 he's I've just been insta transported to this place again. 1857 01:41:59.800 --> 01:42:02.600 Yeah, because no matter what happens in Eugene's life, he 1858 01:42:02.680 --> 01:42:03.720 don't believe in that shit. 1859 01:42:04.239 --> 01:42:04.960 But now he does. 1860 01:42:05.279 --> 01:42:08.079 No, he doesn't. He's now still confused. I don't know 1861 01:42:08.159 --> 01:42:10.920 how that happened, but now we're here. Anyway, there's nothing, 1862 01:42:10.960 --> 01:42:12.760 says catl. Let's go to Chicago. 1863 01:42:13.279 --> 01:42:15.359 Willy even says to him, get that dumb look off 1864 01:42:15.439 --> 01:42:19.000 your face, because he's clearly looks like somebody who transports 1865 01:42:19.119 --> 01:42:21.720 instantaneously somewhere, and they're like, how did I get here? 1866 01:42:21.880 --> 01:42:24.199 This is weird because halfway through the movie he should 1867 01:42:24.199 --> 01:42:25.800 have it should have been proven to him that the 1868 01:42:25.840 --> 01:42:27.039 supernatural exists. 1869 01:42:27.439 --> 01:42:29.600 Yeah, I agree with you, that him being on the 1870 01:42:29.680 --> 01:42:33.199 crossroads and that should be like that shot, that's maybe 1871 01:42:33.239 --> 01:42:35.800 my favorite shot of the movie, is this wide shot 1872 01:42:36.399 --> 01:42:40.199 of the crossroads where he walks over next to the tree, 1873 01:42:40.279 --> 01:42:44.039 Eugene and he starts playing slide get. 1874 01:42:44.079 --> 01:42:46.439 But even then he's come on, say that again, I 1875 01:42:46.479 --> 01:42:47.239 stepped in your line. 1876 01:42:48.359 --> 01:42:52.079 So he's playing slide guitar out by this the gnarled tree, 1877 01:42:52.600 --> 01:42:54.560 while Willy says, this is where it counts. We got 1878 01:42:54.680 --> 01:42:56.680 to get them to come out here, and he even 1879 01:42:56.760 --> 01:42:59.760 then he Eugene's saying, oh, come on, when are we 1880 01:42:59.760 --> 01:43:02.880 gonna to Fulton's point, this is bullshit. He doesn't. He's 1881 01:43:02.880 --> 01:43:07.039 still he's at the crossroads themselves, and he's heard all 1882 01:43:07.119 --> 01:43:10.319 these stories from Willie, but yet he still doesn't believe 1883 01:43:10.560 --> 01:43:12.600 that that is that doesn't bother them alone. 1884 01:43:14.119 --> 01:43:18.439 Scratch's assistant shows up in a magic car and he 1885 01:43:18.640 --> 01:43:23.880 talks to Willie Brown in a familiar way, talking about 1886 01:43:23.960 --> 01:43:26.760 like confirming everything that Willy Brown has been saying through 1887 01:43:26.760 --> 01:43:29.199 the entire movie, and then drives away, and then the 1888 01:43:29.279 --> 01:43:31.800 fucking devil shows up. He appears. 1889 01:43:32.079 --> 01:43:33.239 See this is what just appears. 1890 01:43:33.439 --> 01:43:36.920 This is what I'm saying, Like that scene, I don't 1891 01:43:36.960 --> 01:43:38.880 know why Walter Hill didn't try to eat least go 1892 01:43:39.000 --> 01:43:41.960 for some sort of shock, if not scare, But if 1893 01:43:42.039 --> 01:43:44.640 the car had pulled away, and in the same shot 1894 01:43:44.720 --> 01:43:47.359 there's the Devil. It would have been like ah, but 1895 01:43:47.880 --> 01:43:49.680 as it is, it's like the car drives away, they 1896 01:43:49.720 --> 01:43:51.479 watch it drive away, and then you hear a voice. 1897 01:43:51.520 --> 01:43:53.560 You turn around and go, oh, here's this guy. They're 1898 01:43:53.640 --> 01:43:56.119 trying to continue to play with this idea that this 1899 01:43:56.319 --> 01:44:00.720 may or may not be supernatural. We know it's supernatural, Walter, 1900 01:44:01.520 --> 01:44:03.119 we know it's supernatural. 1901 01:44:03.960 --> 01:44:06.279 It is per played. But it's just it's weird that 1902 01:44:06.920 --> 01:44:10.560 Eugene never cops to the notion that this is true, 1903 01:44:12.720 --> 01:44:16.079 for all evidence to the contrary. It's staring him right 1904 01:44:16.119 --> 01:44:18.800 in the face. Willie has been hammering this home through 1905 01:44:18.840 --> 01:44:21.560 this whole trip, like I need to get back to 1906 01:44:21.640 --> 01:44:23.279 the crossroads. I need to get back there. Is he 1907 01:44:23.399 --> 01:44:26.079 just we led to believe he's just humoring him so 1908 01:44:26.239 --> 01:44:28.479 that they can learn the song, because at that point 1909 01:44:28.680 --> 01:44:31.000 he knows the song is bullshit. So why are they 1910 01:44:31.000 --> 01:44:33.960 at the crossroads anyway? Then it doesn't make any sense. 1911 01:44:34.520 --> 01:44:39.119 Remake Seriously, maybe it's time. Yeah, I don't know why 1912 01:44:39.199 --> 01:44:41.720 this hasn't been remade. Honestly, not that I'm saying that, 1913 01:44:42.000 --> 01:44:44.199 you know, I'm not saying it needs to be remade. 1914 01:44:44.239 --> 01:44:47.000 Because that movie is bad. I'm just saying it could 1915 01:44:47.039 --> 01:44:48.560 be a great movie. 1916 01:44:49.319 --> 01:44:49.960 I like you cha. 1917 01:44:50.199 --> 01:44:52.199 Which. Speaking of which, have you seen the trailer for 1918 01:44:52.319 --> 01:44:53.800 Ryan Coogler's new film. 1919 01:44:53.880 --> 01:44:58.119 The One with the Twins or what's his name playing Twins? I? No, 1920 01:44:58.239 --> 01:44:59.880 I have not seen the trailer, but I've been reading it, 1921 01:45:00.000 --> 01:45:02.159 but it sounds like it's gonna be pretty good. 1922 01:45:02.520 --> 01:45:07.880 Is it possible Bootlegging in the South? Michael Michael B. 1923 01:45:08.119 --> 01:45:12.239 Jordan as twin brothers, one of whom becomes possessed of 1924 01:45:12.439 --> 01:45:16.319 the devil. It's gonna be the It's gonna be like 1925 01:45:16.520 --> 01:45:19.960 Constantine in the in the twenties in the Deep South. 1926 01:45:20.800 --> 01:45:23.960 What was that movie that the guy who was playing 1927 01:45:24.560 --> 01:45:28.600 Kang the conqueror Lovecraft County? Is it like a Lovecraft 1928 01:45:28.680 --> 01:45:31.920 County type of thing, kind of like that, Yeah, where 1929 01:45:31.960 --> 01:45:35.520 it's like it's the Deep South, but it's you know, 1930 01:45:36.079 --> 01:45:39.479 it's the racism thing, but it's something more sinister behind 1931 01:45:39.520 --> 01:45:41.319 all of that. Is that what they're going for? 1932 01:45:41.520 --> 01:45:42.840 I don't know that. I don't know how much the 1933 01:45:42.960 --> 01:45:45.439 racism is playing into the plot of the story. I 1934 01:45:45.560 --> 01:45:47.840 just know it's a story about the crime family in 1935 01:45:47.960 --> 01:45:52.640 the Deep South, and then there there's some supernatural shenanigans, 1936 01:45:52.680 --> 01:45:54.600 but they're not shying away from the supernatural. 1937 01:45:55.279 --> 01:45:57.600 I love Ryan Coogler to the guy can do no 1938 01:45:57.960 --> 01:45:58.600 fucking wrong. 1939 01:45:59.039 --> 01:46:01.600 So let's talk about the end of Crossroads because it's 1940 01:46:01.640 --> 01:46:02.880 so fucking abrupt and weird. 1941 01:46:03.479 --> 01:46:06.399 They get teleported back to the crossroad they're walking now. 1942 01:46:06.560 --> 01:46:09.159 They decide they're going to go to Chicago and start 1943 01:46:09.199 --> 01:46:14.319 to spread the gospel, right, and then with the stipulation 1944 01:46:14.600 --> 01:46:18.399 that Willy's gonna leave, he's gonna leave Willy after Chicago 1945 01:46:18.479 --> 01:46:21.520 and take the Blues in a new direction or whatever. Uh, 1946 01:46:21.760 --> 01:46:24.119 they shake hands and then that's you're right. It is 1947 01:46:24.319 --> 01:46:26.800 very abrupt. But how else would you want to just 1948 01:46:26.960 --> 01:46:28.800 end it at the triumph at the juke joint. 1949 01:46:29.239 --> 01:46:31.359 I don't know. I don't know. I don't know what 1950 01:46:31.479 --> 01:46:32.640 the satisfying ending would be. 1951 01:46:33.399 --> 01:46:35.560 By the way, there was another ending that was shot. 1952 01:46:35.880 --> 01:46:36.800 There were two endings. 1953 01:46:37.039 --> 01:46:38.760 Maybe this is the thing I've been looking. 1954 01:46:38.600 --> 01:46:42.520 For so bear. So there were two endings. One was 1955 01:46:42.560 --> 01:46:44.319 they had a happy ending, which is the one that 1956 01:46:44.399 --> 01:46:46.800 we see, and the sad ending. The sad ending is 1957 01:46:47.319 --> 01:46:49.520 they're on a greyhound bus going back to New York 1958 01:46:50.239 --> 01:46:52.560 and Willie Brown dies on the Greyhound. 1959 01:46:53.159 --> 01:46:56.800 Awesome, that's the end. Apparently they were going to get 1960 01:46:56.800 --> 01:46:59.760 the fucking Further Adventures of Willy and Lightning book. 1961 01:47:00.119 --> 01:47:04.479 The thing was, Walter Hill's father had recently passed away, 1962 01:47:05.159 --> 01:47:08.079 so there was something intensely maybe a little too personal 1963 01:47:08.199 --> 01:47:11.479 for him, so it sounds like he didn't have a 1964 01:47:11.560 --> 01:47:15.159 real handle on that ending. But frankly, it was just 1965 01:47:15.239 --> 01:47:18.800 a situation where they test audiences didn't respond well to 1966 01:47:18.920 --> 01:47:21.920 the sad ending, so they went with a good ending 1967 01:47:22.319 --> 01:47:22.880 end of story. 1968 01:47:23.359 --> 01:47:25.479 Pussye, how that's what I have to say to that 1969 01:47:25.560 --> 01:47:28.119 shit man. That's the end. What's the point? He fucking 1970 01:47:28.199 --> 01:47:30.760 gets his soul back and then he dies. It's perfect, 1971 01:47:30.800 --> 01:47:33.720 and now Eugene has the fucking blues. That's the end 1972 01:47:33.760 --> 01:47:34.239 of the movie. 1973 01:47:34.920 --> 01:47:36.920 It would have made more sense because these blues guys 1974 01:47:37.159 --> 01:47:41.119 all live fast, die hard, basically a blues man. I 1975 01:47:41.159 --> 01:47:43.960 could very easily see It's like Hank Williams right now 1976 01:47:43.960 --> 01:47:46.079 that he was a bluesman, but he died in his 1977 01:47:46.239 --> 01:47:49.920 car outside of what Memphis or something, so I could 1978 01:47:49.960 --> 01:47:53.800 see that being the ignominious end of a blues man 1979 01:47:53.960 --> 01:47:57.199 is just dying on the way from Memphis or Mississippi. 1980 01:47:57.279 --> 01:48:01.640 To New York on a Greyhound. That's sad, but maybe ropriatomatically. 1981 01:48:01.399 --> 01:48:04.199 It's a little Midnight Cowboy. It's a little less than zero, 1982 01:48:04.520 --> 01:48:06.119 but they can have him die in other ways. 1983 01:48:06.560 --> 01:48:08.520 Yeah. I didn't have a real problem with the. 1984 01:48:09.159 --> 01:48:11.119 Years of a combine and that's a way to go. 1985 01:48:12.920 --> 01:48:14.720 No, I didn't have a real problem with it. But 1986 01:48:14.840 --> 01:48:17.119 I also didn't take it as them setting up the 1987 01:48:17.199 --> 01:48:19.520 further adventures. I thought it was just like, all right, 1988 01:48:19.600 --> 01:48:22.479 these guys all got what they wanted. Eugene maybe he did, 1989 01:48:22.479 --> 01:48:25.840 can get the Lost Song, but his future is assured. 1990 01:48:26.239 --> 01:48:27.039 That's enough. 1991 01:48:27.520 --> 01:48:30.760 I don't know. It just felt unsatisfying, not unsatisfying enough 1992 01:48:30.880 --> 01:48:33.800 for me to not recommend this movie. I'm recommending the movie. HP. 1993 01:48:33.880 --> 01:48:35.039 Are you recommending this movie? 1994 01:48:35.640 --> 01:48:35.800 Ah? 1995 01:48:35.840 --> 01:48:39.039 Hell yeah? Absolutely. The Danger of Fall the Malone is 1996 01:48:39.079 --> 01:48:41.640 am I recommending it because it's a good movie or 1997 01:48:41.760 --> 01:48:44.239 because I loved it when I was thirteen years old 1998 01:48:44.319 --> 01:48:45.840 and I can't get away from that, and that's a 1999 01:48:45.880 --> 01:48:48.359 little hard for me to I think objectively, it's a 2000 01:48:48.439 --> 01:48:50.479 good movie, solid fun movie. 2001 01:48:50.880 --> 01:48:52.680 Yeah, not everything has to be the fucking best, and 2002 01:48:52.760 --> 01:48:54.800 not everything is the fucking worst. This is a pretty 2003 01:48:55.039 --> 01:49:00.279 just solid musical flick that has great fucking music in 2004 01:49:00.399 --> 01:49:03.439 it and is a good story and delves into a 2005 01:49:03.520 --> 01:49:07.079 bit of Americana that not a lot of people knew 2006 01:49:07.079 --> 01:49:09.199 about at the time, maybe still didn't know about today, 2007 01:49:09.399 --> 01:49:11.840 Robert Johnson and his deal with the Devil. 2008 01:49:12.319 --> 01:49:15.680 Yeah, White Savior or not. If this movie teaches somebody, 2009 01:49:15.840 --> 01:49:18.880 anybody about the Blues who maybe didn't know about it, otherwise, 2010 01:49:19.239 --> 01:49:21.880 I think that's a pretty pretty good thing. That's pretty cool. 2011 01:49:22.359 --> 01:49:25.199 This movie inspired you to play guitar. You went out 2012 01:49:25.239 --> 01:49:27.680 and bought the cassette tape of Robert Johnson that Ralph 2013 01:49:27.720 --> 01:49:30.720 Macho has in the movie, as did I. So yeah, 2014 01:49:30.760 --> 01:49:33.760 of course, Like what could be bad about this movie? 2015 01:49:33.880 --> 01:49:37.680 Nothing excepting except Francis is a terrible character and needed 2016 01:49:37.680 --> 01:49:40.199 to have been there, and Eugene should have been black. 2017 01:49:40.279 --> 01:49:43.960 Other than that, we're gonna we're gonna recommend this movie. HP, 2018 01:49:45.000 --> 01:49:47.720 my man, let's finish up with with with a bit 2019 01:49:47.760 --> 01:49:50.439 of a head to head battle if you will. Steve 2020 01:49:50.520 --> 01:49:53.439 v Okay, we're gonna set him up as the ideal 2021 01:49:53.479 --> 01:49:56.920 here because he's the Devil's man. He's Jack Butler, Steve 2022 01:49:56.960 --> 01:49:58.079 I versus Buckethead. 2023 01:49:58.640 --> 01:50:04.479 Ooh, that's tough because Buckethead can use nunchucks while he's playing. 2024 01:50:05.000 --> 01:50:07.399 That's going to kind of make it playing better. Or 2025 01:50:07.520 --> 01:50:08.439 is that just a gimmick. 2026 01:50:08.840 --> 01:50:12.800 Well, it's a gimmick obviously, But you know that's I 2027 01:50:13.239 --> 01:50:16.199 here's the thing. I love Buckethead. Well, I don't know. 2028 01:50:16.319 --> 01:50:21.680 I can't say that. You know, Buckethead is prolific, he's mysterious. 2029 01:50:22.439 --> 01:50:24.279 That's a hard question. I don't know. 2030 01:50:24.600 --> 01:50:24.800 Man. 2031 01:50:25.039 --> 01:50:28.079 I want to say Jack Butler because he's imbued with 2032 01:50:28.520 --> 01:50:32.960 the devil's mojo, But man, Buckethead is so mysterious, and 2033 01:50:33.079 --> 01:50:36.479 he can play so fast, and he's got that huge 2034 01:50:36.600 --> 01:50:40.039 less Paul with the kill switch button. I gotta cop 2035 01:50:40.119 --> 01:50:41.880 out and say, maybe it's a draw. Maybe they just 2036 01:50:41.920 --> 01:50:44.640 look at each other and say, fuck, you're good. Now 2037 01:50:44.720 --> 01:50:45.119 you're good. 2038 01:50:45.239 --> 01:50:47.479 All right, Then I can't have a follow up. You 2039 01:50:47.520 --> 01:50:48.720 got to pick one, you know what. 2040 01:50:48.960 --> 01:50:51.359 For the sake of that, I'm still gonna say Jack Butler, 2041 01:50:51.439 --> 01:50:52.800 but Buckethead's not far behind. 2042 01:50:53.279 --> 01:50:57.600 Jack Butler versus Johnny Lang speaking of blues guitarists and 2043 01:50:57.760 --> 01:51:05.039 white Jack Butler, no question, Jack Butler versus Ingvey Malmstein. 2044 01:51:05.880 --> 01:51:10.039 Jack Butler ing Yingvey is is technically good, but he got. 2045 01:51:10.000 --> 01:51:15.159 No soul Joe Satriani versus Jack Butler. 2046 01:51:16.039 --> 01:51:19.520 Considering Steve I took lessons from Joe Satrianni when he 2047 01:51:19.680 --> 01:51:25.920 was young, the student. It's got to be Satch Satch baby. 2048 01:51:26.399 --> 01:51:29.600 Okay, So, now here's an idea for a movie Steve 2049 01:51:29.680 --> 01:51:33.479 I as Eugene Joe Satriani as Jack Butler. 2050 01:51:34.199 --> 01:51:38.079 I could be Joe Satriani is so good. Oh man, 2051 01:51:38.720 --> 01:51:41.560 I don't know. I'm not convinced of VI's acting ability, 2052 01:51:41.640 --> 01:51:42.520 but I could see that. 2053 01:51:42.640 --> 01:51:45.880 Maybe another universe. There are multiverses out there. Maybe we 2054 01:51:45.920 --> 01:51:49.159 can get an MCU version. Yeah, and then till then 2055 01:51:49.640 --> 01:51:52.319 until we figure that all out. HP Oh no, wait, 2056 01:51:52.359 --> 01:51:55.279 I'm going to keep interrupting myself. I'm gonna just before 2057 01:51:55.399 --> 01:51:57.119 before I kick it over to you and tell people 2058 01:51:57.159 --> 01:52:00.920 where to find you. I'm enjoying these musical collabs between 2059 01:52:01.079 --> 01:52:03.800 Midnight Viewing and the Noise Junkies. There are certainly a 2060 01:52:04.000 --> 01:52:07.840 whole lot of other musical films of this period to 2061 01:52:08.039 --> 01:52:10.439 choose from. I want to throw it to the listeners 2062 01:52:10.920 --> 01:52:12.600 to see which one you would want us to do. 2063 01:52:12.960 --> 01:52:14.760 In order to do that, you got to write to 2064 01:52:14.840 --> 01:52:18.079 me at father Malone seven to one at gmail dot com. 2065 01:52:18.279 --> 01:52:20.880 Or hit me up on the socials, probably Instagram. That's 2066 01:52:20.880 --> 01:52:23.560 what you'll probably find me the most. That's at Father Malone, 2067 01:52:23.600 --> 01:52:26.239 but that's at Father Malone across all of them. And 2068 01:52:26.920 --> 01:52:29.520 so we got to decide what's the next movie that 2069 01:52:29.600 --> 01:52:32.720 we're going to watch. We should give them some choices. HP. 2070 01:52:33.479 --> 01:52:35.119 Maybe American Pop. 2071 01:52:35.479 --> 01:52:39.039 Ooh, that's a good one. But I thought you I frankly, 2072 01:52:39.079 --> 01:52:40.479 I thought you hated American Pop. 2073 01:52:41.199 --> 01:52:45.840 I don't hate it. I've come around. There are still 2074 01:52:45.960 --> 01:52:48.359 major problems with it, but there are major problems with 2075 01:52:48.479 --> 01:52:50.399 every one of the movies we're going to be discussing here. 2076 01:52:50.479 --> 01:52:53.119 I think what's another big major musical one from Oh 2077 01:52:53.159 --> 01:52:55.119 you know What's something like Shock Treatment I would like 2078 01:52:55.199 --> 01:52:55.760 to talk about. 2079 01:52:55.800 --> 01:52:58.279 I think that's a good one too. If I hadn't 2080 01:52:58.319 --> 01:53:01.159 already done a whole podcast upisode on The Idol Maker, 2081 01:53:01.319 --> 01:53:04.279 I would have advocated for that because I'm desperate to 2082 01:53:05.159 --> 01:53:07.159 evangelize that movie. I love it so much. 2083 01:53:08.039 --> 01:53:10.800 You know what, you know what I'll leave. That's that's 2084 01:53:10.800 --> 01:53:13.960 an option. That's if people write in about they want 2085 01:53:13.960 --> 01:53:16.039 to hear about the Idolmaker, will do the Automaker. So 2086 01:53:16.159 --> 01:53:19.800 the choice of the Idol Maker little Shop of Horrors. 2087 01:53:19.880 --> 01:53:21.840 That's the second one. Little Shop of Horrors is the 2088 01:53:21.880 --> 01:53:24.640 second one, and the third one is American Pop. 2089 01:53:25.079 --> 01:53:28.560 I think all of those three movies are all solid choices. 2090 01:53:28.560 --> 01:53:30.640 I wish I could think of more off the top 2091 01:53:30.680 --> 01:53:32.680 of my head, but I'm blanking right now. Father Alone, 2092 01:53:32.720 --> 01:53:34.159 but any of those would be awesome. 2093 01:53:34.840 --> 01:53:36.520 Leave it up to them, And until then, where can 2094 01:53:36.560 --> 01:53:38.560 people find you if they're looking for you? Those same people? 2095 01:53:38.760 --> 01:53:41.319 If you want to hear hps more of his stuff. 2096 01:53:42.439 --> 01:53:46.199 In addition to Noise Junkies music podcast, which this is 2097 01:53:46.279 --> 01:53:51.000 a crossover technically, you can find me on the Night 2098 01:53:51.079 --> 01:53:55.079 mister Walters, a taxi podcast with yourself Father Alone. We 2099 01:53:55.199 --> 01:53:58.039 just kicked off season three, so excited to be back 2100 01:53:58.479 --> 01:54:01.439 in the garage on that one. I'm also an occasional 2101 01:54:01.880 --> 01:54:05.039 guest on the Culture Cast with Chris Dashu and I 2102 01:54:05.159 --> 01:54:09.479 also have a band campsite hpmusicplace dot bandcamp dot com. 2103 01:54:09.600 --> 01:54:11.199 You can come check out. Not a lot of blues 2104 01:54:11.279 --> 01:54:14.279 up there yet. Maybe I'll start to change that at 2105 01:54:14.319 --> 01:54:16.359 some point, maybe I should spread out a little bit. 2106 01:54:16.399 --> 01:54:20.039 But anyway, album just released recently called Wired and Waiting. 2107 01:54:20.439 --> 01:54:23.439 Please listen to that and if you like it. Throw 2108 01:54:23.520 --> 01:54:25.479 a couple bucks my way, help a guy out. 2109 01:54:25.600 --> 01:54:28.039 As for me, you're listening to the show, it's midnine viewing. 2110 01:54:28.079 --> 01:54:30.119 But if you want to hear episodes early in commercial 2111 01:54:30.199 --> 01:54:33.079 free and get access to shows that me and HP do, 2112 01:54:33.239 --> 01:54:35.640 like Cable Box Theater, head over to patreon dot com 2113 01:54:35.760 --> 01:54:40.279 slash Father Alone. You can subscribe there. That'd be cool. 2114 01:54:40.520 --> 01:54:42.159 But if you don't have any money, I don't have 2115 01:54:42.199 --> 01:54:43.960 any money. I don't blame if you don't have any 2116 01:54:44.399 --> 01:54:47.439 Just if you could subscribe or like or share this show, 2117 01:54:47.520 --> 01:54:51.680 that would be greatly appreciated. Tune back in on Sunday 2118 01:54:51.840 --> 01:54:55.680 or Monday, whenever I'm conscious enough to get the goddamn 2119 01:54:55.760 --> 01:54:58.520 show done. That'll be the next Father's Malone's weekly round up, 2120 01:54:58.560 --> 01:55:01.199 and tune in next Friday. We've got another episode of 2121 01:55:01.840 --> 01:55:04.880 Midnight Viewing Horror Anthology podcast where we're talking about the 2122 01:55:04.880 --> 01:55:08.239 next two episodes of Tails from the dark Side Until 2123 01:55:08.439 --> 01:55:12.000 next time. There's a hell hound on your trail. 2124 01:55:19.159 --> 01:55:22.119 Shame on you, Willie Brown, traveling all the way back 2125 01:55:22.239 --> 01:55:22.960 down home. 2126 01:55:23.000 --> 01:55:24.720 As if you had a chance, ain't. 2127 01:55:24.560 --> 01:55:25.439 Got no chance. 2128 01:55:25.600 --> 01:55:30.319 Blind doll your soul, your soul, you going down all 2129 01:55:30.760 --> 01:55:35.199 the way down hellhounds on your trail, Boy, hellhounds on. 2130 01:55:35.359 --> 01:56:35.720 Your trails, sets stings, stasist