WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.400 --> 00:00:05.519 Ask not what your country can do for you, ask 2 00:00:05.639 --> 00:00:07.480 what you can do for your country. 3 00:00:08.199 --> 00:00:12.039 Mister Gorbachew, tear down this wall. 4 00:00:14.039 --> 00:00:16.879 It's the Ricochet Podcast with Stephen Hayward and myself James Lotlax. 5 00:00:16.960 --> 00:00:19.920 Today we talked to Noah Rothman about things domestic and 6 00:00:19.960 --> 00:00:24.039 cultural to international and military everything. So let's ever So 7 00:00:24.079 --> 00:00:24.839 it's a podcast. 8 00:00:25.000 --> 00:00:31.039 I went on a left leaning podcast and they asked 9 00:00:31.039 --> 00:00:33.200 me about my son and I said, he was you know, 10 00:00:33.240 --> 00:00:35.960 he's he's a football player and he wants to be 11 00:00:36.039 --> 00:00:40.039 a policeman. And their joke was about my fifteen year 12 00:00:40.039 --> 00:00:42.399 old son, Oh, how does he feel about minorities? Like 13 00:00:42.439 --> 00:00:44.079 the idea that he wants to be a policeman, therefore 14 00:00:44.079 --> 00:00:47.399 he's racist? And I thought to myself, this. 15 00:00:47.280 --> 00:00:49.359 Is why you so losing elections. 16 00:00:49.880 --> 00:00:52.759 Welcome everybody, This is the Ricochet Podcast, number seven hundred 17 00:00:52.759 --> 00:00:57.640 and forty three. Why don't you you go to ricochet 18 00:00:57.640 --> 00:00:59.159 dot com right now sign up to be part of 19 00:00:59.280 --> 00:01:02.439 the the most stimulating conversations and community on the weapon. 20 00:01:02.479 --> 00:01:03.960 We wouldn't say it if we couldn't back it up. 21 00:01:04.319 --> 00:01:06.920 I'm James Ladox, Minneapolis, Minnesota, where it's a beautiful end 22 00:01:06.959 --> 00:01:09.439 of May day, Stephen Hayward is, well, what are you 23 00:01:09.480 --> 00:01:11.239 in a cabin Alaska or something like that. I'm looking 24 00:01:11.239 --> 00:01:11.400 at you. 25 00:01:11.760 --> 00:01:14.120 I am in the I'm in the highlands of Iceland, 26 00:01:14.120 --> 00:01:17.000 which I've decided, James, is the Minnesota of waterfalls. 27 00:01:17.000 --> 00:01:18.280 They have a waterfall every. 28 00:01:18.079 --> 00:01:20.959 Fifty feet that they do in Minnesota has a lake right, 29 00:01:21.040 --> 00:01:22.120 and it's quite amazing. 30 00:01:22.439 --> 00:01:25.959 We're the amazing rainbows in the air as the mist 31 00:01:26.079 --> 00:01:28.000 hits the sun. And of course what I loved about 32 00:01:28.040 --> 00:01:29.719 it you can go to the top of it and 33 00:01:29.719 --> 00:01:33.120 look down. There weren't any handrails on the steps, the stairs. 34 00:01:33.000 --> 00:01:35.519 It's just we don't have the ada here. You know, 35 00:01:35.560 --> 00:01:39.319 you can't figure it out. Don't fall, That's basically, it 36 00:01:39.480 --> 00:01:43.200 don't fall. So you're finding Iceland to be as fascinating 37 00:01:43.239 --> 00:01:46.359 as people said, even though the streets are filled with 38 00:01:46.840 --> 00:01:52.560 unpronounceable words you cannot begin to sound out. Oh yes, yeah. 39 00:01:53.040 --> 00:01:55.560 I thought Welsh was a difficult language and challenging on 40 00:01:55.599 --> 00:01:58.159 purpose for foreigners. Every place I go to, I just 41 00:01:58.200 --> 00:02:01.200 say I'm in far Fordnugan, because I'm farm from anywhere, 42 00:02:01.239 --> 00:02:05.359 and it's I can't pronounce anything, and yeah, it's impossible. 43 00:02:05.400 --> 00:02:10.159 So it's mumble, Yeah, the extraordinary country. But that's another podcast, 44 00:02:10.199 --> 00:02:12.240 and I hope they had that right sometime soon, maybe 45 00:02:12.240 --> 00:02:14.560 when Charles C. W. Cook is not joining us this time. 46 00:02:14.599 --> 00:02:16.599 He's a bit under the weather. I don't know what 47 00:02:16.599 --> 00:02:18.719 the weather is like in Florida, but apparently he's suffering 48 00:02:18.759 --> 00:02:22.479 from it, which leaves us to discuss this. Who knew, Stephen? 49 00:02:23.120 --> 00:02:26.639 Who knew there's a Court of International Trade? 50 00:02:27.520 --> 00:02:29.240 I did not, And I thought I knew most of 51 00:02:29.280 --> 00:02:32.759 these specialized federal courts, like the Court of Federal Right, Yeah, 52 00:02:32.759 --> 00:02:34.840 the Court of Federal Claims, a few other obscure ones. 53 00:02:34.840 --> 00:02:35.800 I do know a little bit about that. 54 00:02:36.439 --> 00:02:38.879 Said, let us, of course be instant experts on the fact. 55 00:02:39.080 --> 00:02:42.360 So the Court of International Trade has struck down the tariffs, 56 00:02:42.879 --> 00:02:44.759 Yeah for now, And I think the judge stated for 57 00:02:44.759 --> 00:02:47.240 a couple of weeks or something like that. This is 58 00:02:47.319 --> 00:02:53.919 the usual ya judicial activism from some nay judicial activity injunctivitis, say, 59 00:02:53.960 --> 00:02:57.400 some judge shopping what right have they to do? The 60 00:02:57.439 --> 00:03:01.560 executive No, there was a nineteen sixty two congressional act 61 00:03:01.560 --> 00:03:04.360 that gave him the power, etc. Can you make heads 62 00:03:04.439 --> 00:03:05.919 or tails out of this? Where we are now and 63 00:03:05.960 --> 00:03:07.400 whether or not you think it's going to stick. 64 00:03:08.360 --> 00:03:10.000 Yeah, So I think it's not going to stick, and 65 00:03:10.039 --> 00:03:12.639 I think it in an odd way, it makes it 66 00:03:12.680 --> 00:03:16.319 more likely that Trump's tariff power may survive what otherwise 67 00:03:16.319 --> 00:03:19.080 would have been a more formidable legal challenge in regular 68 00:03:19.080 --> 00:03:21.599 district court. So this is one of these specialized courts 69 00:03:21.599 --> 00:03:24.879 set up by Congress to handle things that the judiciary 70 00:03:24.919 --> 00:03:28.719 doesn't want to have clogging their regular docket. So, as 71 00:03:28.719 --> 00:03:31.840 I understand this court, it exists for people to bring 72 00:03:31.879 --> 00:03:35.000 appeals that they're not charged the correct tariff rate on 73 00:03:35.680 --> 00:03:38.919 you know, whether something is improperly classified as this kind 74 00:03:38.919 --> 00:03:41.319 of product versus that kind of product. And so if 75 00:03:41.319 --> 00:03:44.159 you can get your let's take an example, an old 76 00:03:44.199 --> 00:03:47.280 Teddy ruxpan doll might have had something like a ten 77 00:03:47.319 --> 00:03:49.840 percent tariff. It's been important from somewhere, but if you 78 00:03:49.840 --> 00:03:53.319 claim it's an educational tool, then it would have maybe 79 00:03:53.319 --> 00:03:55.960 a five percent tariff. So to hear cases like that, 80 00:03:56.199 --> 00:03:58.520 this is kind of like people's court stuff, right with 81 00:03:58.599 --> 00:03:59.360 Judge Wantner. 82 00:03:59.639 --> 00:04:01.000 And so for this court to. 83 00:04:01.000 --> 00:04:04.120 Assert its jurisdiction and take on this huge question of 84 00:04:04.159 --> 00:04:08.560 Trump's worldwide tariff strategy seems to me politically suicidal for 85 00:04:08.680 --> 00:04:11.240 the court, and it's very badly reasoned. I think I've 86 00:04:11.240 --> 00:04:14.000 skimmed through it quickly. I haven't mastered it. But there 87 00:04:14.000 --> 00:04:17.879 are legitimate questions about whether Congress can delegate the sweeping 88 00:04:17.920 --> 00:04:22.360 tarff powder power that Trumps exercised on some Emergency Economic 89 00:04:22.439 --> 00:04:26.600 Powers Act from the seventies. And there are other suits 90 00:04:26.639 --> 00:04:30.240 filed by formidable conservatives like Phil Hamburger at Columbia in 91 00:04:30.360 --> 00:04:34.160 district court. And this court completely ignores some of the 92 00:04:34.319 --> 00:04:37.720 classic constitutional arguments that could be brought to bear against 93 00:04:37.720 --> 00:04:40.720 Trump's power, and instead and one thing, and then I'll 94 00:04:40.720 --> 00:04:42.319 shut up. I could go on too long about this 95 00:04:42.360 --> 00:04:43.360 too easily. 96 00:04:43.720 --> 00:04:44.199 Is they said? 97 00:04:44.240 --> 00:04:47.160 Well, Trump has justified these tariffs, saying it's needed to 98 00:04:47.199 --> 00:04:51.160 fight the national emergency of fentanyl and the drug overdoses 99 00:04:51.160 --> 00:04:55.720 and whatnot. But tariffs are a terrible tool for doing that. Well, 100 00:04:55.759 --> 00:04:58.519 you know what, if the president has given the power 101 00:04:58.560 --> 00:05:01.560 to declare a national emergency, the means should be beyond 102 00:05:01.600 --> 00:05:04.160 the scrutiny of an obscure court that you've never heard of, 103 00:05:04.160 --> 00:05:07.240 with judges who are even Article three judges with lifetime tenure, 104 00:05:07.959 --> 00:05:13.319 and they completely skipped making any constitutional arguments. And it's 105 00:05:14.040 --> 00:05:18.040 mind bogglingly bad. And I think an almost any federal 106 00:05:18.079 --> 00:05:20.319 court that here's the appeal of this decision, is going 107 00:05:20.399 --> 00:05:22.720 to overturn it in a second, and Trump's going to 108 00:05:22.759 --> 00:05:24.439 claim victory, and it's going to make it I think 109 00:05:24.519 --> 00:05:28.800 harder to assail his power in a regular lawsuit. 110 00:05:30.279 --> 00:05:34.480 Maybe not Judge Wapner, but Judge Judy, don't EPA on 111 00:05:34.519 --> 00:05:36.680 my leg and tell me it's raining. The EPA being 112 00:05:36.720 --> 00:05:40.920 the International Emergency Powers Act of nineteen seventy seven. We 113 00:05:41.000 --> 00:05:43.079 talked about that, and I agree with you. I mean, 114 00:05:44.000 --> 00:05:46.399 the emergency portion of this has always seemed to me 115 00:05:46.439 --> 00:05:49.839 to be a little bit suspect. Gathering up these powers 116 00:05:49.839 --> 00:05:52.959 by claiming we have an emergency, and emergency seems you 117 00:05:53.079 --> 00:05:56.600 seem to want to reserve that word for actual things 118 00:05:56.600 --> 00:05:59.560 that come out of nowhere quickly and spiraled into very 119 00:05:59.560 --> 00:06:03.120 bad problems. It must be faced immediately, right, and fentanyl 120 00:06:03.120 --> 00:06:06.600 wall bad does not seem to be a justifiable rationale 121 00:06:06.839 --> 00:06:09.040 for that. Of course, other people can make the arguments, 122 00:06:09.079 --> 00:06:11.360 and they happen. What do I know, But you're right. 123 00:06:11.439 --> 00:06:13.800 I mean to say that tariffs are a bad way 124 00:06:13.839 --> 00:06:16.319 of doing this. It's well that that's a subjective question. 125 00:06:16.319 --> 00:06:18.959 That's that's not an objective finding. That's that's saying, well, 126 00:06:19.000 --> 00:06:23.120 we really don't who knows if you've composed one thousand 127 00:06:23.120 --> 00:06:25.839 percent tariff in China in Mexico unless they instantly went 128 00:06:25.879 --> 00:06:29.199 in and blew up all their fentanyl factories might get 129 00:06:29.240 --> 00:06:31.279 their attention. I don't know that seems to be the reasoning. 130 00:06:31.319 --> 00:06:34.120 But yeah, I think you're correct, and it'll probably be 131 00:06:34.160 --> 00:06:37.000 struck down. And if nothing else, we will have all 132 00:06:37.079 --> 00:06:39.879 learned that there is a Court of International Trade, which 133 00:06:40.000 --> 00:06:43.959 which which sounds like one of those Brussels organizations that 134 00:06:44.040 --> 00:06:46.399 make you roll right right, you roll your eyes and say, well, 135 00:06:46.399 --> 00:06:48.439 you know how many? You know how many troops? Is 136 00:06:48.480 --> 00:06:51.839 the pope? It's one of those. But well, apparently this. 137 00:06:51.160 --> 00:06:53.040 Is this is there are some anti scenes to this, 138 00:06:53.079 --> 00:06:55.839 to go back over one hundred years. Uh, here's a 139 00:06:55.879 --> 00:06:59.240 trivia point that you may know. When Franklin Roosevelt declared 140 00:06:59.279 --> 00:07:02.399 the bank closed all the banks in the country, state 141 00:07:02.399 --> 00:07:04.759 and federal alike in his first weekend office in nineteen 142 00:07:04.800 --> 00:07:08.040 thirty three, he invoked something called the Trading with the 143 00:07:08.279 --> 00:07:12.199 Enemy Act from nineteen seventeen, pasted during World War One. 144 00:07:12.480 --> 00:07:14.639 Well, who's the enemy in nineteen thirty three. 145 00:07:15.240 --> 00:07:17.199 I was absurd and no one thought to file a 146 00:07:17.240 --> 00:07:20.319 lawsuit then, but it was so it's very similar now. 147 00:07:20.759 --> 00:07:23.160 In other words, what we're seeing now is not that unusual. 148 00:07:23.879 --> 00:07:26.079 And by the way, I've said this before here. I 149 00:07:26.160 --> 00:07:28.720 keep telling liberals, this is the presidency. You've always wanted 150 00:07:29.040 --> 00:07:33.439 strong executive power to do all these good things. You know, Wilson, Franklin, Roosevelt, 151 00:07:33.519 --> 00:07:36.319 John F. Kennedy. They always use these powers. And DIAC 152 00:07:36.399 --> 00:07:38.199 is mad because you don't like what Trump is using 153 00:07:38.199 --> 00:07:39.639 them for. But maybe you want to get back to 154 00:07:39.680 --> 00:07:41.959 an old thing called the constitution. 155 00:07:42.000 --> 00:07:44.680 As we keep saying. Yes, well, you know Ben in 156 00:07:44.759 --> 00:07:48.360 a phone and bold, persistent experimentation. It seems to me 157 00:07:48.439 --> 00:07:51.519 that's what we've been seeing. Yeah, bank Holiday, there's something 158 00:07:51.519 --> 00:07:54.639 of a euthanism there. Oh, I'm so giddy for the 159 00:07:54.680 --> 00:07:58.519 upcoming bank holiday. What do you hope you find under 160 00:07:58.560 --> 00:08:01.319 the safe tomorrow when it's a bank hall, a bank 161 00:08:01.519 --> 00:08:04.319 closure is what it is, and dire straits because of it. 162 00:08:04.800 --> 00:08:07.920 Oh you Govald? All right, there's that. And speaking of 163 00:08:07.959 --> 00:08:10.279 money that we found in banks and also in bills, 164 00:08:10.319 --> 00:08:12.399 we have one that is both big and or beautiful 165 00:08:12.480 --> 00:08:15.639 or not. I don't know how a got called the BBB, 166 00:08:16.040 --> 00:08:18.319 which sounds like some sort of thing you'd find in 167 00:08:18.360 --> 00:08:22.600 a chat room where people are seeking out particular pleasures. 168 00:08:22.639 --> 00:08:26.240 But what about this here? I keep hearing the same 169 00:08:26.279 --> 00:08:28.439 thing is that when I was talking to somebody about 170 00:08:28.439 --> 00:08:30.040 this the other day, they said, well, there's all these 171 00:08:30.079 --> 00:08:32.840 medicare cuts, so well they're spread out over ten years. Yeah, 172 00:08:32.840 --> 00:08:35.039 but it's going to it's going to hurt the communities 173 00:08:35.039 --> 00:08:37.440 because they're not going to be able to be able 174 00:08:37.480 --> 00:08:41.279 to pay for you know, well, for example, emergency rooms 175 00:08:41.320 --> 00:08:42.720 are going to hit because they're going to be having 176 00:08:43.360 --> 00:08:45.759 illegals coming in who have no means to pay. And 177 00:08:45.840 --> 00:08:47.639 I said, well, you know, the idea is is that 178 00:08:47.679 --> 00:08:50.440 there won't be them, the illegals, because they will have 179 00:08:50.480 --> 00:08:52.759 been dispensed with, and so you will have the savings 180 00:08:52.799 --> 00:08:55.759 from that. And so all of this seems like just 181 00:08:56.159 --> 00:09:01.600 conjecture about something that I don't know. The cuts are 182 00:09:01.799 --> 00:09:06.039 going to lead to death. We know specifically, I've already 183 00:09:06.240 --> 00:09:08.200 been hearing all these dire things that are that are 184 00:09:08.240 --> 00:09:11.240 meant to say, But are they really cuts? Are we 185 00:09:11.320 --> 00:09:13.799 really talking about a slowing of the rate of growth 186 00:09:13.879 --> 00:09:17.519 as usual? Yes, if we were to go back to 187 00:09:17.919 --> 00:09:21.320 the Medicare budget of five years ago, would that mean 188 00:09:21.440 --> 00:09:24.200 a mass die off? How bad is the is the 189 00:09:24.240 --> 00:09:26.679 Medicare cut? Because we all know, I mean we know 190 00:09:27.120 --> 00:09:29.679 from Mitt Romney wanted to take Gramm and put in 191 00:09:29.679 --> 00:09:32.000 a wheelchair pusher off a cliff. We all know that 192 00:09:32.039 --> 00:09:35.120 the point of this is to kill people. That is, 193 00:09:35.200 --> 00:09:39.360 you know, the Republican idea for continued electoral strategy, to 194 00:09:40.120 --> 00:09:41.720 tell the electorate that they want as many of them 195 00:09:41.720 --> 00:09:44.519 dead as possible. So how is this going to play 196 00:09:44.519 --> 00:09:46.120 on it? Do you think? Right? Yeah? 197 00:09:46.120 --> 00:09:48.679 I mean net neutrality failed to kill millions, as we 198 00:09:48.679 --> 00:09:50.279 were told of what happened, So I guess we have 199 00:09:50.279 --> 00:09:53.080 to cut Medicare instead. Of course, James, it's it's a 200 00:09:53.200 --> 00:09:56.559 reduction of future rate of growth. I think, well, first 201 00:09:56.600 --> 00:09:58.759 of all, one of my rules of a big congressional 202 00:09:58.840 --> 00:10:02.279 legislation is I don't really start paying close attention until 203 00:10:02.320 --> 00:10:04.480 the Senate's had its say. And the Senate here is 204 00:10:04.480 --> 00:10:06.559 going to make a lot of changes, and so to 205 00:10:06.600 --> 00:10:10.399 read the builds exist now is I think mostly a 206 00:10:10.440 --> 00:10:12.080 waste of effort unless you have to write a major 207 00:10:12.120 --> 00:10:14.759 feature about it. But yeah, so Medica, it's just one 208 00:10:14.799 --> 00:10:17.279 part of it. We're controlling the rate of growth. And 209 00:10:17.399 --> 00:10:20.039 I think what ought to be said is two things. 210 00:10:20.840 --> 00:10:23.679 One is, as a general matter, Democrats quite a while ago, 211 00:10:23.799 --> 00:10:26.320 going back at least the financial crisis of two thousand 212 00:10:26.320 --> 00:10:30.080 and eight, so all programs like social security, disability, medicare 213 00:10:30.600 --> 00:10:34.320 as proxies for wealth transfers for redistribution of wealth. 214 00:10:34.360 --> 00:10:34.720 They want. 215 00:10:34.759 --> 00:10:37.519 That's why they want to expand eligibility to as many 216 00:10:37.519 --> 00:10:40.559 people as possible, including illegal aliens, and broad the things 217 00:10:40.559 --> 00:10:43.519 covered and so forth. And then the second thing is 218 00:10:46.639 --> 00:10:49.000 I think what's going to happen here is you may 219 00:10:49.039 --> 00:10:51.879 see some Washington monument strategy. That's what you really described 220 00:10:52.000 --> 00:10:53.440 is you know what, we're going to have to cut 221 00:10:53.440 --> 00:10:57.840 emergency rooms instead of limiting eligibility, which some states are 222 00:10:57.879 --> 00:11:00.240 starting to do, like California. I think I meant in 223 00:11:00.279 --> 00:11:04.600 the previous week that Governor Newsom has said illegal aliens 224 00:11:04.639 --> 00:11:06.960 currently getting medicator are going to have to start doing 225 00:11:06.960 --> 00:11:09.120 one hundred dollars a month copey or something like that, 226 00:11:09.440 --> 00:11:12.399 and no new enrollments. And that's even before the big 227 00:11:12.440 --> 00:11:17.000 beautiful bill passes. But in any case, this is all phony. 228 00:11:17.360 --> 00:11:19.799 It's the same drill we've seen since the Reagan years. 229 00:11:19.840 --> 00:11:22.480 At least you're cutting something when the budget's actually going 230 00:11:22.519 --> 00:11:25.279 to grow by You know what that means is a 231 00:11:25.360 --> 00:11:28.879 cut is when the projected rate of increase the liberals 232 00:11:28.919 --> 00:11:31.360 want doesn't happen. So they want ten billion and they 233 00:11:31.360 --> 00:11:34.600 only get five billion, and that's a cut a five 234 00:11:34.639 --> 00:11:37.039 billion more. Right, So this is an old game, and 235 00:11:37.159 --> 00:11:40.639 I got to think that, you know, like certain other 236 00:11:40.679 --> 00:11:43.720 aspects of liberal rhetoric, that it's not going to work anymore. 237 00:11:44.399 --> 00:11:49.279 But we'll see. They're also concerns. Apparently Tom Tillis has 238 00:11:49.320 --> 00:11:51.000 mentioned something like this that ought to be a name 239 00:11:51.039 --> 00:11:53.120 of a country Western singer known for his yes man humor. 240 00:11:53.159 --> 00:11:56.919 I'm sorry. Tom till has warned about the the the 241 00:11:56.960 --> 00:12:01.159 abrupt and sudden termination of renewable energy incentives for a 242 00:12:01.200 --> 00:12:04.039 couple of reasons. One because well, renewable energy is the 243 00:12:04.039 --> 00:12:05.600 only think it's going to keep the planet from turning 244 00:12:05.639 --> 00:12:07.960 into a burnt out cinder going around the sun. And two, 245 00:12:08.480 --> 00:12:09.799 I said that we're not going to be able to 246 00:12:09.840 --> 00:12:12.200 meet the rest of the demand for petroleum products because 247 00:12:12.240 --> 00:12:15.720 the investors are still skittish after Keystone, Keystone being canceled 248 00:12:15.720 --> 00:12:17.639 by Biden because he too wanted to save the Earth, 249 00:12:17.639 --> 00:12:20.679 and the Green New Deal didn't allow for that nasty, 250 00:12:20.720 --> 00:12:23.919 sinful icher to flow through the pipes of America. So 251 00:12:24.279 --> 00:12:26.519 I'm not so sure about that. It seems to me 252 00:12:26.879 --> 00:12:32.000 as if we've got a pretty pro oil pro pipeline 253 00:12:32.039 --> 00:12:35.360 guy in there now, And it does make you think 254 00:12:35.840 --> 00:12:37.919 if they couldn't build one of these things in three years, 255 00:12:39.000 --> 00:12:43.639 then something is perhaps awry with our initiative, or perhaps 256 00:12:43.759 --> 00:12:46.279 we are too burdened, dare I say by regulations that 257 00:12:46.399 --> 00:12:49.559 keep these things from happening swiftly? I mean Hoover dam boom, blink, 258 00:12:49.759 --> 00:12:52.639 it's up, Empire State Building. It was just a hole 259 00:12:52.639 --> 00:12:54.759 in the ground yesterday. Look at it sixty stories now. 260 00:12:54.799 --> 00:12:56.639 I mean we used to be able to do things 261 00:12:56.679 --> 00:13:02.759 with dispatch. So I'm not exactly. I'm completely pleased that 262 00:13:02.799 --> 00:13:08.639 the long grift that has been the renewable energy incentives 263 00:13:09.440 --> 00:13:13.360 maybe coming to an end, because I frankly don't want 264 00:13:13.399 --> 00:13:15.679 to depend on the wind in the sun. I want 265 00:13:15.720 --> 00:13:17.840 to be able to depend on us, which that goes 266 00:13:17.879 --> 00:13:22.279 on because the currency is well balanced and powered by plentiful, clean, 267 00:13:23.159 --> 00:13:25.120 modern progressive nuclear energy. 268 00:13:26.080 --> 00:13:28.519 Well, first of all, I wish tell us we're less 269 00:13:28.519 --> 00:13:32.320 confused about these things. If we gank all of the 270 00:13:32.320 --> 00:13:35.440 green energy subsidies, you'll still be able to build wind 271 00:13:35.440 --> 00:13:37.320 and solar power if you want to. You'll just have 272 00:13:37.399 --> 00:13:40.039 to pay for it yourself. That's very different from what 273 00:13:40.120 --> 00:13:42.759 happened with the Keystone Pipeline. I thought it was one 274 00:13:42.799 --> 00:13:45.399 of the most shocking things a president has ever done 275 00:13:45.440 --> 00:13:48.799 when Biden on day one shut down the Keystone pipeline. 276 00:13:48.919 --> 00:13:51.799 That was not a subsidized project. It did not need 277 00:13:51.840 --> 00:13:53.480 federal funds or tax breaks. 278 00:13:53.679 --> 00:13:54.159 It was a. 279 00:13:54.080 --> 00:13:57.320 Privately funded project with what five thousand people, many of 280 00:13:57.320 --> 00:14:00.559 them Uguonize, working on it. And I think it's the 281 00:14:00.559 --> 00:14:03.799 first time a president has ever revoked a permit for 282 00:14:03.879 --> 00:14:06.840 a project in progress. It's one thing to block a 283 00:14:06.840 --> 00:14:09.000 permit from happening in the first place, but to actually 284 00:14:09.159 --> 00:14:12.639 stop something being built by the private sector, I don't 285 00:14:12.639 --> 00:14:15.440 think has ever happened before. And if Tillis had been 286 00:14:16.279 --> 00:14:18.600 threatening to impeach the president for that, I would now 287 00:14:18.720 --> 00:14:22.279 maybe listen to him a little bit more attentively. I 288 00:14:22.320 --> 00:14:24.840 have to say the Biden people were very clever with 289 00:14:24.960 --> 00:14:27.919 their what was a build Back No Inflation Reduction Act, 290 00:14:27.960 --> 00:14:30.120 which even Biden admitted it was just a green subsidy. 291 00:14:30.759 --> 00:14:34.320 They spread the money around lavishly to Red States on purpose, 292 00:14:35.399 --> 00:14:37.840 hoping that as years. To comment, it was, you know, 293 00:14:37.879 --> 00:14:40.279 these things were projected to last for years, not just 294 00:14:40.679 --> 00:14:44.000 for Biden's term. Especially some of the tax credits are 295 00:14:44.000 --> 00:14:47.679 open ended entirely, and I think they thought, ah, if 296 00:14:47.679 --> 00:14:50.120 we lavish enough money to the Red States, that will 297 00:14:50.200 --> 00:14:52.960 guarantee they have political supports that they'll survive a change 298 00:14:52.960 --> 00:14:56.159 in administration. And lo and behold, Tillis is right on 299 00:14:56.200 --> 00:14:58.840 the spot, offering to prove the Biden administration and the 300 00:14:58.879 --> 00:15:02.559 Democrats right. And so I think you should go pound 301 00:15:02.600 --> 00:15:05.000 sand into solar panels on the beach in North Carolina 302 00:15:05.120 --> 00:15:06.679 and let the rest of us get back to having 303 00:15:06.759 --> 00:15:07.360 real energy. 304 00:15:07.519 --> 00:15:09.960 As you say, Yes, there's debates up here in Minnesota 305 00:15:09.960 --> 00:15:11.840 as to whether to mine in an area known as 306 00:15:11.840 --> 00:15:14.039 the near the Boundary waters, and people are concerned about 307 00:15:14.120 --> 00:15:15.879 run off and pollution, and wells they should. But the 308 00:15:15.919 --> 00:15:17.960 thing is is that they do need an awful lot 309 00:15:18.000 --> 00:15:20.679 of copper for those big, wonderful, beautiful windmills. They need 310 00:15:20.720 --> 00:15:23.320 a lot of virgin copper, and that means means you 311 00:15:23.360 --> 00:15:25.480 have to dig into it with industrial equipment that dare 312 00:15:25.519 --> 00:15:27.480 I say, might be powered by fossil fuels. So they 313 00:15:27.480 --> 00:15:31.639 want it always. They want the planes to be dotted 314 00:15:31.679 --> 00:15:34.000 with these dark, satanic machines. But at the same time 315 00:15:34.000 --> 00:15:35.840 they don't want anybody to actually get the copper out 316 00:15:35.879 --> 00:15:37.440 of the ground to make them do it. But somehow 317 00:15:37.480 --> 00:15:39.720 it will happen. And then you just look and say, look, 318 00:15:39.759 --> 00:15:42.279 we have fuel, we have diesel, we've got gas, we've 319 00:15:42.360 --> 00:15:47.159 got nuclear. It works. Nope, can't have it. Another thing 320 00:15:47.440 --> 00:15:49.799 that is in the bill that will probably be a 321 00:15:49.840 --> 00:15:52.919 source of contention is that the government is decided it 322 00:15:53.000 --> 00:15:56.720 is no longer going to use Medicaid to fund facial 323 00:15:56.720 --> 00:15:59.919 feminization procedures exactly for people who have decided that they 324 00:16:00.080 --> 00:16:03.120 are of a different gender. Now, when the cuts are 325 00:16:03.120 --> 00:16:05.120 to gender affirming care, I don't know if that actually 326 00:16:05.159 --> 00:16:10.159 goes towards the secondary or tertiary cosmetic qualities. But again 327 00:16:10.320 --> 00:16:13.440 it's like you said, with the pipeline, it's you're still 328 00:16:13.480 --> 00:16:15.159 free to do it, you just you just have to 329 00:16:15.200 --> 00:16:17.759 pay for it. And the idea that the taxpayer should 330 00:16:17.759 --> 00:16:22.039 be obligated to do this is it has, as it's 331 00:16:22.120 --> 00:16:25.559 predicates a whole series of ideas which themselves I don't 332 00:16:25.600 --> 00:16:29.279 care how much they say are not empirically scientifically valid. 333 00:16:29.480 --> 00:16:31.759 I mean, they just aren't. I mean, it's it's it's 334 00:16:31.799 --> 00:16:35.120 I'm sorry. You can talk about brain chemistry and gender 335 00:16:35.159 --> 00:16:37.639 theory and all the rest of it, but I don't 336 00:16:37.679 --> 00:16:41.799 see why that is necessary for the taxpayer to fund 337 00:16:41.919 --> 00:16:45.320 these things. Second thing that I found that was interesting 338 00:16:45.360 --> 00:16:47.440 in discussion about the bills that there's a tenure ban 339 00:16:47.600 --> 00:16:53.639 on state laws regarding the regulation of AI and AH. 340 00:16:53.960 --> 00:16:56.279 I'm not sure how I feel about this because I'm 341 00:16:56.639 --> 00:17:01.840 I'm hesitant to allow AI to be crimped by governments 342 00:17:01.919 --> 00:17:04.240 that don't know anything about it or acting out of 343 00:17:04.519 --> 00:17:10.440 fear or ignorance. But at the same time, I'm terribly 344 00:17:10.880 --> 00:17:15.240 terribly concerned about what AI is going to do, and 345 00:17:15.279 --> 00:17:18.440 not in some luddite, stupid it's going to take the 346 00:17:18.519 --> 00:17:23.039 jerb stuff. I'm deeply troubled about the effect that it's 347 00:17:23.079 --> 00:17:25.519 going to have. I had a situation the other day 348 00:17:25.559 --> 00:17:28.640 where I was where I asked Google something. I was 349 00:17:28.839 --> 00:17:31.960 researching something, and it came up with because you no 350 00:17:32.000 --> 00:17:34.119 longer get at the top of the page, you ad 351 00:17:34.160 --> 00:17:36.559 your ad and then your link to the story, you 352 00:17:36.599 --> 00:17:40.039 get an AI summary. Google has decided We're going to 353 00:17:40.079 --> 00:17:42.480 step in and use our AI to give you the 354 00:17:42.519 --> 00:17:44.119 answer to the question that you just did. And the 355 00:17:44.200 --> 00:17:49.039 answer was wrong. It was very wrong, and it was 356 00:17:49.079 --> 00:17:51.279 wrong in such a way that anybody who came across 357 00:17:51.279 --> 00:17:53.880 the same thing in the situation that I did would 358 00:17:53.880 --> 00:17:58.160 have emptied their bowels and their bladders simultaneously at realizing 359 00:17:58.319 --> 00:18:01.599 that if this was true, things were very bad for 360 00:18:01.680 --> 00:18:03.400 you at this instance. And I'll be able to talk 361 00:18:03.400 --> 00:18:07.839 about this perhaps in a couple of weeks. So I 362 00:18:08.119 --> 00:18:12.039 don't trust state solons to regulate it necessarily with the 363 00:18:12.440 --> 00:18:15.519 brilliance that they bring to other members of other issues. 364 00:18:16.400 --> 00:18:20.000 But at the same time, where is this ban on 365 00:18:20.160 --> 00:18:24.440 a ban on regulation of AI coming from. 366 00:18:25.319 --> 00:18:28.480 Yeah, it does concern me too. So by the way, 367 00:18:28.519 --> 00:18:31.240 I've had the same reaction to those Google summaries. It 368 00:18:31.559 --> 00:18:34.759 puts me in the mind of the late famous Caltech 369 00:18:34.759 --> 00:18:37.759 physicist Richard Feynman, who one time saw something like that 370 00:18:37.839 --> 00:18:40.880 and he said, that isn't right. Why that isn't even wrong? 371 00:18:42.279 --> 00:18:44.079 I've seen that some of the bizarre results from those 372 00:18:44.119 --> 00:18:44.720 Google things. 373 00:18:45.160 --> 00:18:45.359 Look. 374 00:18:45.400 --> 00:18:47.920 I mean, it's a very familiar argument that industries made 375 00:18:47.960 --> 00:18:51.720 for decades about various regulatory schemes you'd rather have instead 376 00:18:51.720 --> 00:18:54.960 of state by state regulation. For example, suppose some states said, 377 00:18:55.039 --> 00:18:57.119 I'm sorry, Coca Cola can only be sold in ten 378 00:18:57.200 --> 00:18:59.799 ounce cans, that Coca Cola has to make a different 379 00:18:59.839 --> 00:19:03.880 can for that state, and the automakers and chemical companies 380 00:19:03.880 --> 00:19:06.799 they've always wanted to have uniform federal regulation. It's better 381 00:19:07.000 --> 00:19:08.960 to have one size fits all, or you just have 382 00:19:09.119 --> 00:19:11.720 chaos commercially. I get all that, and you don't want 383 00:19:11.759 --> 00:19:17.160 states also erecting airsat's trade barriers against out of state 384 00:19:17.200 --> 00:19:20.480 companies and so forth. On the other hand, I do 385 00:19:20.680 --> 00:19:25.559 think I'm very you know, just this stuff makes me nervous, 386 00:19:25.599 --> 00:19:28.480 and I think state legislators, as bad as they often are, 387 00:19:29.279 --> 00:19:31.880 should not be told that, no, I'm sorry, you can't 388 00:19:32.200 --> 00:19:36.559 pass a regulation, say, protecting your citizens privacy. I'm very 389 00:19:36.559 --> 00:19:39.000 concerned about how AI may be used to invade your 390 00:19:39.000 --> 00:19:42.359 privacy or sell your data, manipulate your data, and so forth. 391 00:19:42.400 --> 00:19:45.880 And if the federal government is not going to do it, 392 00:19:45.960 --> 00:19:49.960 I think it's probably maybe not wise to say states 393 00:19:50.000 --> 00:19:52.960 can't get into looking at that also, but I don't know, 394 00:19:53.400 --> 00:19:55.720 I don't understand all this stuff. I have to confess, 395 00:19:55.759 --> 00:19:56.599 But it does worry me. 396 00:19:57.359 --> 00:19:59.960 Yes, well, we'll have a white paper, We'll have congressional here, 397 00:20:00.680 --> 00:20:03.119 We'll have a blue coat, will have a blue ribbon committee. 398 00:20:03.119 --> 00:20:04.680 We have all of these things, and by the time 399 00:20:04.680 --> 00:20:06.279 they're done with it, everything that they come up with 400 00:20:06.359 --> 00:20:09.920 will be incredibly outdated because the AI has become exponentially 401 00:20:09.920 --> 00:20:11.960