WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.160 --> 00:00:02.600 You're listening to Big for Society, and I'm Jeremiah Byron. 2 00:00:02.640 --> 00:00:05.320 Tonight's account is from a man who grew up with 3 00:00:05.360 --> 00:00:08.640 Bigfoot in his backyard and never stopped chasing the mystery. 4 00:00:09.119 --> 00:00:11.919 From screams in the night to broken branches deep in 5 00:00:11.960 --> 00:00:16.120 the Blue Mountains to a roadside encounter outside Packwood that 6 00:00:16.239 --> 00:00:20.719 left a family speechless. These are the accounts that Kevin 7 00:00:20.800 --> 00:00:24.920 is sharing that spanned decades. Somewhere in the middle of 8 00:00:24.920 --> 00:00:28.280 all these years, something happened that changed how Kevin looked 9 00:00:28.280 --> 00:00:32.280 at Sasquatch forever, and maybe it'll change you as well. 10 00:00:32.840 --> 00:00:35.159 This is one episode you won't want to miss, so 11 00:00:35.320 --> 00:00:37.520 stay with us, all right, Big for Society've got the 12 00:00:37.560 --> 00:00:41.240 privilege of talking to Kevin Kevin's I guess I could 13 00:00:41.240 --> 00:00:43.799 say Kevin is a friend in an individual that I 14 00:00:43.840 --> 00:00:49.079 met at the Sasquatch Summerfest festival in Oakridge, Oregon. I 15 00:00:49.280 --> 00:00:52.280 came over to the table and we started chatting, and 16 00:00:53.840 --> 00:00:57.439 he knows his stuff in multiple different ways. He's a 17 00:00:57.479 --> 00:01:01.359 lifelong Bigfoot researcher and also a pastor from Oregon, so 18 00:01:01.479 --> 00:01:02.280 really connected. 19 00:01:02.840 --> 00:01:03.200 Well. 20 00:01:03.320 --> 00:01:05.640 But welcome to the show, Kevin. How are you doing today? 21 00:01:06.599 --> 00:01:11.200 I'm doing great, fantastic looking forward to this absolutely. Man. 22 00:01:11.519 --> 00:01:14.599 I'm looking at the map that you gave me right now. 23 00:01:15.640 --> 00:01:18.200 I'm gonna get it all up on the wall looking good. 24 00:01:18.359 --> 00:01:20.560 Had to send it in the mail from sisters and 25 00:01:20.599 --> 00:01:23.120 I was like, man, I hope, I hope this gets through. 26 00:01:23.159 --> 00:01:26.280 And it got through with no issues. So we are 27 00:01:26.400 --> 00:01:28.840 good there. But you know, Kevin, We've got a lot 28 00:01:28.879 --> 00:01:32.000 of ground to cover today. You have really been in 29 00:01:32.079 --> 00:01:34.920 it for a long time, and so I'm going to say, 30 00:01:35.680 --> 00:01:38.079 let's start with this. You know, what was it that 31 00:01:38.159 --> 00:01:42.000 first got you into the Bigfoot at into Bigfoot at 32 00:01:42.040 --> 00:01:43.319 a very young age? 33 00:01:45.200 --> 00:01:48.040 Yeah, let's yeah, that's a good place to start. I 34 00:01:48.120 --> 00:01:54.920 believe it would have been about nineteen sixty seven sixty eight, 35 00:01:55.000 --> 00:01:57.680 right in there, and he had moved up from California. 36 00:01:57.719 --> 00:02:00.480 My dad was an optometrist, and we bought a place 37 00:02:00.519 --> 00:02:05.000 out on South Hill, pew Wallup, and at that time 38 00:02:06.280 --> 00:02:08.960 it was there were a huge set of power lines 39 00:02:09.400 --> 00:02:13.000 that ran by evergreen forests, but there really wasn't anything 40 00:02:13.080 --> 00:02:16.599 up there. It was just woods and I can remember 41 00:02:17.199 --> 00:02:22.120 the trees lining Meridian, which is the main drag that 42 00:02:22.599 --> 00:02:24.960 runs through pew wall Up and up over South hill 43 00:02:25.039 --> 00:02:28.599 and all the way out to the mountains, and it 44 00:02:28.719 --> 00:02:33.439 was just trees and big trees, lots of trees everywhere, 45 00:02:33.599 --> 00:02:35.879 and there were no housing developments. It was just this 46 00:02:35.960 --> 00:02:39.479 one housing development, and then there was another one to 47 00:02:39.560 --> 00:02:43.680 the west of us, too, but it was just uncut ground, 48 00:02:44.360 --> 00:02:47.840 uncut area. And we lived at the very back of 49 00:02:47.879 --> 00:02:52.000 this Evergreen Forest housing development. And Dad had bought a 50 00:02:52.039 --> 00:02:57.039 three bedroom, two bath with a garage home and it 51 00:02:57.159 --> 00:02:59.240 was right back on the corner. And I can remember 52 00:02:59.280 --> 00:03:01.960 playing in the woods and I just loved it there. 53 00:03:01.960 --> 00:03:04.400 I learned how to ride my bicycle. I can remember 54 00:03:05.199 --> 00:03:07.639 crashing on my bike a couple of times and getting 55 00:03:07.639 --> 00:03:11.240 pretty beat up. But the cool thing was my dad 56 00:03:11.280 --> 00:03:14.800 came in one night and he opened my bedroom window 57 00:03:15.719 --> 00:03:19.319 all the way and he said, listen to this, and 58 00:03:19.439 --> 00:03:24.080 outside we could hear this is what I call now 59 00:03:25.080 --> 00:03:29.360 their signal calls, and they're signaling one another figuring out 60 00:03:29.400 --> 00:03:32.560 what it was. They were figuring, I'm here where you at, 61 00:03:32.719 --> 00:03:36.840 and don't go wandering off and getting in trouble. That's 62 00:03:36.879 --> 00:03:39.280 what the signal call is. And it was it's kind 63 00:03:39.280 --> 00:03:42.520 of a beak and almost a almost sounds metallic. If 64 00:03:42.560 --> 00:03:46.439 you're really close to it, but it's a screen and 65 00:03:46.800 --> 00:03:49.360 it was echoing through the woods. And then another one 66 00:03:49.520 --> 00:03:54.240 different voice, and he said, those are bigfoot. That's what 67 00:03:54.240 --> 00:03:58.400 my dad told me. And I was probably seven at 68 00:03:58.400 --> 00:04:04.159 the time, maybe eight, And it was impressive because he 69 00:04:04.199 --> 00:04:07.000 would come in several nights a week and open my 70 00:04:07.080 --> 00:04:10.680 window and set by my dad wake me up, and 71 00:04:10.719 --> 00:04:14.520 we would listen to chatter, the samurai chatter. That was 72 00:04:14.520 --> 00:04:17.600 the first time I ever heard that, And you know, 73 00:04:17.839 --> 00:04:21.160 it was just it was cool because my dad would 74 00:04:21.199 --> 00:04:24.279 read the newspaper every night and he would pull bigfoot articles. 75 00:04:24.360 --> 00:04:27.519 This is this is now the late sixties, early seventies, 76 00:04:28.040 --> 00:04:31.759 and he would pull these articles that were common in 77 00:04:31.800 --> 00:04:35.399 the newspaper. People would send in their reportings. A reporter 78 00:04:35.480 --> 00:04:37.480 would go out and they would write a big article. 79 00:04:38.720 --> 00:04:41.160 And so we started keeping a scrap book together, my 80 00:04:41.240 --> 00:04:45.079 dad and I did about the big foot phenomenon. He 81 00:04:45.199 --> 00:04:48.600 was also interested in UFOs at the time and I 82 00:04:48.800 --> 00:04:52.199 wasn't at the time, but I mean, it was still interesting. 83 00:04:52.319 --> 00:04:55.879 But for him, he liked the bigfoot and the UFOs. 84 00:04:55.920 --> 00:04:59.319 He didn't ever tie them together. That would come years 85 00:04:59.399 --> 00:05:05.439 later where he would start to tie that together. But anyways, 86 00:05:05.959 --> 00:05:09.560 so that's how I got my start. And so all 87 00:05:09.600 --> 00:05:16.519 the articles I remember Pierce County Sheriff's Deputy, if they're 88 00:05:16.560 --> 00:05:19.920 still alive, they're probably listening to this, which is kind 89 00:05:19.920 --> 00:05:23.600 of interesting. But he stepped out of his patrol car 90 00:05:23.680 --> 00:05:25.040 at the end of a cul de sac of the 91 00:05:25.040 --> 00:05:27.600 housing development was starting to go in and there was 92 00:05:27.600 --> 00:05:30.879 still mostly woods in the area, and he got out 93 00:05:30.879 --> 00:05:35.639 to relieve himself, and as he was relieving himself, apparently 94 00:05:36.279 --> 00:05:40.720 he had actually relieved himself on a sasquatch that was 95 00:05:40.839 --> 00:05:45.839 in the brush right there, and it stood up to 96 00:05:45.920 --> 00:05:49.920 its full height and screamed at him. And it was 97 00:05:49.959 --> 00:05:54.480 one of those war screens. It's like that scene and 98 00:05:54.800 --> 00:05:57.480 Harry and the Henderson with the girl's hair goes flying. 99 00:05:58.519 --> 00:06:01.199 I could see the guy's hat anything go flying back. 100 00:06:01.720 --> 00:06:04.720 But anyways, he jumps back at his patrol car because 101 00:06:04.759 --> 00:06:08.199 this thing is going away from him and it's continuing 102 00:06:08.240 --> 00:06:11.160 to roar and to scream and to make all these 103 00:06:11.680 --> 00:06:16.079 this rackettest noise. I think that's a good word, rackettess noise. 104 00:06:16.759 --> 00:06:20.199 And he said, can you record this to the dispatch 105 00:06:20.319 --> 00:06:23.480 lady and she says, yes, I will, And that was 106 00:06:23.519 --> 00:06:26.680 the first of many of the pewall Up screams. Oh, 107 00:06:26.759 --> 00:06:31.199 and I still have an old copy of that from 108 00:06:31.240 --> 00:06:33.360 the dispatch, and it was a really clear because the 109 00:06:33.399 --> 00:06:35.959 animal was really close to him and his patrol car, 110 00:06:36.759 --> 00:06:39.319 and so it really came out pretty good and then 111 00:06:39.360 --> 00:06:43.040 it got quieter as it went. But the pewall Up screams, 112 00:06:43.079 --> 00:06:46.879 the Snahoma screams, the Ohio screams, I would say all 113 00:06:46.920 --> 00:06:49.720 of those are those signal calling where they're trying to 114 00:06:49.759 --> 00:06:52.600 identify where one another or at as they're feeding through 115 00:06:52.639 --> 00:06:55.360 the night, just trying to keep tabs on each other. 116 00:06:56.000 --> 00:06:59.240 So Kevin wrote real quick man that that is wild. 117 00:06:59.680 --> 00:07:02.439 Should is it like an old cassette you have that 118 00:07:02.519 --> 00:07:03.319 has that on it? 119 00:07:03.879 --> 00:07:08.759 No, I don't have that, but it's part of who 120 00:07:08.800 --> 00:07:12.279 is it that explain that to me? I think it 121 00:07:12.319 --> 00:07:16.759 was Bob Timmas Oh wow, Because Bob Titmus slept under 122 00:07:16.800 --> 00:07:20.800 a bunch of equipment out at South Hill Pewollip and 123 00:07:21.399 --> 00:07:27.120 he had the original copy cassette that they had recorded, 124 00:07:27.879 --> 00:07:30.120 but he went out and got his own that were 125 00:07:30.279 --> 00:07:33.439 just as good, and I think those are the ones 126 00:07:33.560 --> 00:07:36.480 that are on the BFR website. Still, the pewoll Up screams, 127 00:07:36.759 --> 00:07:39.639 they sound like coyotes going off, and I think that 128 00:07:39.839 --> 00:07:44.240 was Bob Titmas's recordings. I'm pretty sure. I mean, Bob's 129 00:07:44.279 --> 00:07:46.480 not around anymore to ask him, were those your recordings, 130 00:07:46.480 --> 00:07:49.319 because I can't quite remember, but it seemed to me 131 00:07:49.480 --> 00:07:51.360 like his were the ones that they used on the 132 00:07:51.439 --> 00:07:52.680 BFRL website. 133 00:07:53.000 --> 00:07:56.399 Okay, I think I remember us talking about this at 134 00:07:56.399 --> 00:07:59.040 the festival, how you used to hang out with Bob Tiitmos, 135 00:07:59.040 --> 00:08:02.319 and I was just like, this is absolutely crazy. So 136 00:08:02.399 --> 00:08:05.759 this is like mid mid seventies that you're hanging out 137 00:08:05.759 --> 00:08:06.639 with Bob Timmos. 138 00:08:07.800 --> 00:08:12.040 Oh no, no, no, this would come years later. Okay, Yeah, 139 00:08:12.160 --> 00:08:14.920 he was just living for me because I'd set in 140 00:08:14.600 --> 00:08:17.040 his kitchen and he would tell me stories about the 141 00:08:17.079 --> 00:08:21.000 past and anyways, he was talking about the Puolu and 142 00:08:21.079 --> 00:08:24.959 how that was one of his best because he was 143 00:08:24.959 --> 00:08:29.120 able to get really good recordings of these vocalizations. And 144 00:08:29.480 --> 00:08:32.279 the sasquatch would do a sounding and as they would 145 00:08:32.320 --> 00:08:35.919 do a sounding, the coyotes would just rrupt. They would 146 00:08:35.960 --> 00:08:40.000 just start hooting and hollering and yipping. The coyotes would 147 00:08:40.480 --> 00:08:43.559 and then the sasquatch would scream again, a sounding scream 148 00:08:43.600 --> 00:08:49.559 and in all silence right down all of this stuff 149 00:08:49.600 --> 00:08:51.879 and going, wow, I never even thought of that. 150 00:08:51.879 --> 00:08:53.679 That's incredible, that's. 151 00:08:53.600 --> 00:08:57.200 What and yeah. And then later he had mentioned to 152 00:08:57.240 --> 00:09:02.320 me that why do you think that the coyotes follow 153 00:09:02.399 --> 00:09:06.320 the elk? And I went, I don't know, I never 154 00:09:06.360 --> 00:09:09.879 thought of it. Said, well, the elk stir up the mice, 155 00:09:10.039 --> 00:09:12.759 and the coyotes are scooping up the mice as they're 156 00:09:12.799 --> 00:09:18.159 following the elk. And I went, WHOA, would that be 157 00:09:18.200 --> 00:09:21.159 the same thing with sasquatching. He's a bengo, you got it? 158 00:09:21.840 --> 00:09:26.399 Oh wow, isn't that awesome? But you know he's a tracker. 159 00:09:26.519 --> 00:09:31.200 He was the one that showed Jerry Crew how to 160 00:09:31.440 --> 00:09:35.080 pour the plaster of Paris castings of that first footprint 161 00:09:35.080 --> 00:09:38.480 that went on the AP in nineteen fifty eight and 162 00:09:38.600 --> 00:09:42.159 hit the Worldwide AP Service and showing him holding this 163 00:09:42.240 --> 00:09:46.039 big cast. And that's where the title Bigfoot came from, 164 00:09:46.080 --> 00:09:49.320 because it was on that article at AP wire. It 165 00:09:49.440 --> 00:09:53.399 came out about Jerry Crew and he was the head 166 00:09:54.360 --> 00:09:57.320 cat skinner there. He was the bulldozer driver clearing that 167 00:09:57.440 --> 00:10:01.120 road in Bluff Creek and made that casting after Bob 168 00:10:01.159 --> 00:10:04.000 told him how to do it. So he was the 169 00:10:04.000 --> 00:10:05.039 local taxidermist. 170 00:10:05.080 --> 00:10:08.720 Bob was a tax exactly right, right, And there's not 171 00:10:09.120 --> 00:10:12.879 I mean, you can find some info about Bob, but 172 00:10:12.960 --> 00:10:15.679 he never wrote a book or anything. 173 00:10:16.799 --> 00:10:17.440 No, he didn't. 174 00:10:17.600 --> 00:10:22.679 Yeah, why that's why it's so important. He is mentioned 175 00:10:22.679 --> 00:10:26.000 in it. But when you can find more info about Bob, 176 00:10:26.039 --> 00:10:29.840 titmus it's very you can get very interesting. 177 00:10:29.799 --> 00:10:30.240 For sure. 178 00:10:30.440 --> 00:10:33.879 So you were in Pialla and then your dad is 179 00:10:34.480 --> 00:10:36.679 you know, listen to this. You've got the scrap book. 180 00:10:36.879 --> 00:10:39.519 You guys are you know, working through stuff? And then 181 00:10:39.639 --> 00:10:44.440 so does that set you on just a lifelong you know, Okay, 182 00:10:44.519 --> 00:10:46.399 I'm really going to figure out what this is. I'm 183 00:10:46.399 --> 00:10:50.240 totally into this bigfoot thing from there on out. 184 00:10:50.879 --> 00:10:53.039 No, I really don't think so. It was more like 185 00:10:54.559 --> 00:10:58.279 I was always fascinated with the subject, and you know, 186 00:10:58.559 --> 00:11:00.360 there would be in search of what them on and 187 00:11:00.480 --> 00:11:02.960 Lennard Nime why would come on? And all the TV stuff, 188 00:11:03.000 --> 00:11:06.120 And then you've got the thing down there in Louisiana, 189 00:11:07.120 --> 00:11:10.600 the Falk Monster and all of those things that a 190 00:11:10.600 --> 00:11:14.080 lot of the kids in my my age, even kids younger, 191 00:11:14.360 --> 00:11:16.240 would watch them because they would reshow them. But I 192 00:11:16.279 --> 00:11:20.519 remember going and seeing the legend of Bogey Creek at 193 00:11:20.720 --> 00:11:26.440 the Auburn Theater in Washington, and that was quite the thing. 194 00:11:26.440 --> 00:11:29.039 I came out of there really impressed. And I still 195 00:11:29.039 --> 00:11:31.960 had nightmares since I was growing up of a hand 196 00:11:31.960 --> 00:11:37.440 coming in while I was using the bathroom scared the whoopy. 197 00:11:37.639 --> 00:11:40.080 I don't know if you've ever seen that, Jeremiah. 198 00:11:40.440 --> 00:11:41.600 Yeah, I know what you're talking about. 199 00:11:41.639 --> 00:11:49.799 It it really is talk about getting personal. But anyway, 200 00:11:50.639 --> 00:11:53.759 so for me, it was it was something my dad 201 00:11:53.759 --> 00:11:56.679 and I did together. I loved it. And then all 202 00:11:56.720 --> 00:11:58.960 of a sudden, they're just I didn't even really think 203 00:11:58.960 --> 00:12:02.279 about this, but they're just weren't any more newspaper articles 204 00:12:02.279 --> 00:12:04.559 coming out. And you know, I went up through junior 205 00:12:04.639 --> 00:12:07.320 high and high school and nothing. I go to college 206 00:12:07.320 --> 00:12:11.960 at Central Washington University on Ellensburg, Washington, and I'm playing 207 00:12:11.960 --> 00:12:15.240 football over there, and then I'm also becoming a teacher, 208 00:12:15.559 --> 00:12:17.480 studying to be teaching. My wife and I both were 209 00:12:17.519 --> 00:12:22.080 at that time. And my dad calls me on the 210 00:12:22.080 --> 00:12:25.360 phone and says, hey, there is a Tacoma News Tribune 211 00:12:25.519 --> 00:12:28.279 article today about a guy named Grover Krantz. He's a 212 00:12:28.320 --> 00:12:33.720 professor of Washington State University. My dad attended Washington State University. 213 00:12:33.759 --> 00:12:37.840 That was one of his colleges. But anyways, so he 214 00:12:37.960 --> 00:12:41.159 was pretty excited because he says, they're talking about dermal ridges. 215 00:12:41.200 --> 00:12:43.639 And I said, what are dermal ridges? And he says, well, 216 00:12:44.360 --> 00:12:46.080 why don't you go see if you can get a copy. 217 00:12:46.120 --> 00:12:49.519 It's today's paper, it's the Tacoma News Tribune, and you 218 00:12:49.559 --> 00:12:52.519 should have something there on campus. He said, just go 219 00:12:52.600 --> 00:12:54.360 up the library. And I say, I know right where 220 00:12:54.360 --> 00:12:57.279 the newspapers are. They have all the newspapers. So I 221 00:12:57.279 --> 00:13:00.480 went down to the library that evening and rode my 222 00:13:00.519 --> 00:13:04.440 bike down there and went up and talked to the 223 00:13:04.440 --> 00:13:06.279 library and she says, yeah, I've got the copy of 224 00:13:06.279 --> 00:13:09.159 the tant here. I got several copies of it. You 225 00:13:09.200 --> 00:13:11.159 want one? And I said, yeah, I love one, and 226 00:13:11.159 --> 00:13:14.039 so I did. I grabbed that original copy and I 227 00:13:14.080 --> 00:13:16.080 went home and I consumed him and I read it 228 00:13:16.120 --> 00:13:19.360 a second time. I read a third time, and I'm going, wow, 229 00:13:20.440 --> 00:13:26.039 this is cool. There's there's dermal ridges, there's fingerprints on 230 00:13:26.159 --> 00:13:30.519 the footprints. And in that article he was talking about 231 00:13:30.960 --> 00:13:33.440 Grover Krantz was they were interviewing him. They was talking 232 00:13:33.440 --> 00:13:39.279 about how he had contacted some of his sources that 233 00:13:39.360 --> 00:13:42.639 have lots of plaster casts and had them go through 234 00:13:42.679 --> 00:13:46.960 their collection. And when they did, they called me back 235 00:13:46.960 --> 00:13:50.240 and said, yeah, there's there's a good number of them 236 00:13:50.240 --> 00:13:54.840 that have fingerprints on them, because this guy didn't have 237 00:13:54.919 --> 00:13:58.399 any clue what they were. And the guy was Bob Chedmus. 238 00:13:58.759 --> 00:14:01.840 He had the world's large fats collecting, you know, he 239 00:14:01.919 --> 00:14:04.320 when he was young, he would he would go all 240 00:14:04.399 --> 00:14:08.159 over the United States poor cast teach people how to 241 00:14:08.200 --> 00:14:11.360 do that, but he would collect them and he even 242 00:14:11.480 --> 00:14:14.600 drained one of the ponds I think it was upon 243 00:14:14.720 --> 00:14:17.360 Blue Creek Mountain down in the Bluff Creek area. He 244 00:14:17.519 --> 00:14:20.720 drained the pond because he saw there were footprints and 245 00:14:20.759 --> 00:14:23.960 when he did he was able to cast leg and 246 00:14:24.200 --> 00:14:27.919 butt prints. So the Scukum cast that was taken in 247 00:14:27.960 --> 00:14:31.559 two thousand wasn't the first butt cast that had ever 248 00:14:31.600 --> 00:14:34.919 been taken. And then I met another guy who actually 249 00:14:35.120 --> 00:14:37.480 he didn't cast them, but he took lots of pictures 250 00:14:37.519 --> 00:14:41.519 and measured and put his AR fifteen down next to 251 00:14:41.559 --> 00:14:44.039 the to the butt prints. There were two butt prints 252 00:14:44.080 --> 00:14:46.840 in the snow. And this was in the Blue Mountains, 253 00:14:46.960 --> 00:14:49.759 really close to the ski area down there called Bluewood. 254 00:14:50.960 --> 00:14:53.039 And I was a skier too, so we'd be up 255 00:14:53.759 --> 00:14:56.080 skiing on the different I knew all the different ski areas, 256 00:14:56.080 --> 00:14:58.960 and in the summertime I would walk around some of 257 00:14:58.960 --> 00:15:02.559 these skiers and look for Sasquatch stuff like Stevens Pass 258 00:15:02.759 --> 00:15:06.240 no Qualmy paths. I'd be up at Alpa Pol climbing 259 00:15:06.320 --> 00:15:09.080 the hills because I love the hike and looking for 260 00:15:09.159 --> 00:15:12.919 Sasquatch stuff. I never found anything on those trips, but 261 00:15:13.000 --> 00:15:16.559 I've heard lots of great stories of people who go 262 00:15:16.639 --> 00:15:19.320 in and they clean those trails during the late summer 263 00:15:19.600 --> 00:15:22.000 to get ready for the ski season, and they do 264 00:15:22.159 --> 00:15:24.879 bump into them, or they actually found tracks in different 265 00:15:24.879 --> 00:15:28.080 evidence and so forth. So that's just fascinating to me 266 00:15:28.200 --> 00:15:30.879 coming from that that era. I was a ski instructor 267 00:15:30.960 --> 00:15:33.679 for a lot of years also, and then I raced 268 00:15:33.759 --> 00:15:36.879 up at Crystal Mountain Athletic Club up at Crystal Mount, 269 00:15:37.000 --> 00:15:41.279 Washington when I was in high school. But so I 270 00:15:41.320 --> 00:15:43.200 was always kind of tied to the Eskiri as well. 271 00:15:43.279 --> 00:15:46.279 Skiers right in the middle of Sasquatch country, especially in Washington. 272 00:15:49.600 --> 00:15:52.200 One hundred per one hundred percent, I mean you are 273 00:15:52.480 --> 00:15:57.000 right right there where where the action should be should 274 00:15:57.039 --> 00:15:57.559 be happening. 275 00:15:58.960 --> 00:16:03.720 Yeah, that launched everything and that article on Tacoma News 276 00:16:03.720 --> 00:16:08.039 Tribune started off with Grover Grants talking about something that 277 00:16:08.159 --> 00:16:13.320 happened on Tiger Canyon Road in the Blue Mountains next 278 00:16:13.360 --> 00:16:17.440 to a watershed. It was the Wall Wall Watershed and 279 00:16:17.480 --> 00:16:22.240 that at this place called Bear Saddle, which you don't 280 00:16:22.279 --> 00:16:23.759 find it on a map or anything. You just got 281 00:16:23.799 --> 00:16:28.200 to know where it's at. They found a bed. They 282 00:16:28.279 --> 00:16:35.039 found fifty sixty tracks, different size, three different individuals, which 283 00:16:35.120 --> 00:16:38.679 was amazing to me. And I mean, all this was 284 00:16:38.720 --> 00:16:41.080 in that article, that Tacoma Newstribune article that I went 285 00:16:41.120 --> 00:16:44.279 and got the CWU library that my dad told me 286 00:16:44.320 --> 00:16:48.000 to go check out, and all this information was there. 287 00:16:48.960 --> 00:16:51.000 And I can't even remember what there the week it was, 288 00:16:51.000 --> 00:16:53.720 but I made plans. I was taken off. I was 289 00:16:53.759 --> 00:16:56.200 cutting class on Friday and I'm hento the Blue Mountains. 290 00:16:56.200 --> 00:16:58.799 I want to go find this Tiger Canyon Road. And 291 00:16:58.840 --> 00:17:01.960 that really launched me into it. So here I am 292 00:17:02.000 --> 00:17:05.640 a college student, you know, football player at the university, 293 00:17:05.720 --> 00:17:08.359 and I'm running off to look for Sasquatch. 294 00:17:10.440 --> 00:17:12.880 Oh wow, So you went after it? 295 00:17:14.319 --> 00:17:17.359 Yeah, yeah I did. And I went down there by 296 00:17:17.400 --> 00:17:20.640 myself and then my brother was playing football at Walla 297 00:17:20.680 --> 00:17:22.960 Walla he was there on a scholarship too. He was 298 00:17:23.000 --> 00:17:27.880 a running back, and anyways, he went with me the 299 00:17:27.960 --> 00:17:30.799 second time I went up and we had some pretty 300 00:17:30.839 --> 00:17:35.680 amazing experiences up there. We found broken tree branches and 301 00:17:35.720 --> 00:17:37.359 this is on the north side. This was up by 302 00:17:37.400 --> 00:17:41.519 Stuart's cabin. They call it. It's up by Lewis Peak. 303 00:17:42.880 --> 00:17:45.039 Those that are from the Blue Mountains area, hey, you 304 00:17:45.119 --> 00:17:47.279 know it. And I ended up spending while I was 305 00:17:47.319 --> 00:17:52.640 in college, probably about four years, really doing in depth. 306 00:17:52.920 --> 00:17:56.279 Every other week I was down to the Blue Mountains again, 307 00:17:56.400 --> 00:17:58.960 my wife would go with me. And after a while, 308 00:17:59.000 --> 00:18:01.960 my wife said, I think they know when we're coming. 309 00:18:02.279 --> 00:18:06.319 They seem to be all gathered around our camp area 310 00:18:06.359 --> 00:18:09.599 and they'll vocalize, they'll leave footprints, they'll leave out gifts. 311 00:18:10.400 --> 00:18:14.279 All this stuff was going on in the eighties and 312 00:18:14.359 --> 00:18:17.799 I cast quite a few nice footprints from nineteen eighty 313 00:18:17.839 --> 00:18:22.480 seven forward. But that was in the Blue Mountains and 314 00:18:22.519 --> 00:18:24.400 I did a lot of study back there, a lot 315 00:18:24.440 --> 00:18:27.319 of running those trails. And that was when I was young, 316 00:18:27.440 --> 00:18:30.440 so I could I could move really good at that time. 317 00:18:31.559 --> 00:18:33.000 So what kind of no. 318 00:18:35.200 --> 00:18:38.680 We all are getting there? So what kind of gifts 319 00:18:38.759 --> 00:18:40.839 were you? Were you receiving in that area. 320 00:18:41.119 --> 00:18:47.240 It was interesting because I would walk along past something 321 00:18:47.519 --> 00:18:50.400 like a sawd off tree, and so you got a 322 00:18:50.400 --> 00:18:54.000 big tree trunk. And in the middle of that tree trunk. 323 00:18:54.039 --> 00:18:56.680 The next day there's a rock that's about six by 324 00:18:56.799 --> 00:18:59.799 six sitting on it. It's just a round river rock 325 00:19:00.279 --> 00:19:04.119 and you're up on the mountaintop and it's all jagged 326 00:19:04.200 --> 00:19:07.240 rocks up to there's no river rocks there. They carried 327 00:19:07.279 --> 00:19:10.519 that river rock from down to the south fork of 328 00:19:10.519 --> 00:19:12.480 the walla wall and put it on that stump for me, 329 00:19:12.599 --> 00:19:14.880 right and I had to walk by to go to 330 00:19:14.920 --> 00:19:18.039 my camp, and there's nobody else camp there. This was 331 00:19:18.079 --> 00:19:21.640 a d duck springs that happened. And I said, Alison, 332 00:19:21.680 --> 00:19:26.119 I think they left that rock for us, and she said, no, 333 00:19:26.319 --> 00:19:28.440 they wouldn't do that, and I said, well I would they. 334 00:19:28.799 --> 00:19:30.720 I didn't know anything about gifting and never heard anything 335 00:19:30.759 --> 00:19:34.160 about it, and so we would do things like we 336 00:19:34.200 --> 00:19:36.119 would make a peanut butter and jelly sandwich and set 337 00:19:36.160 --> 00:19:39.119 it on the stump and it'd be gone. Well, you know, 338 00:19:39.160 --> 00:19:41.000 a bear could have got that or anything. We're looking 339 00:19:41.000 --> 00:19:43.519 around for sign maybe a raccoon grabbed it. You know, 340 00:19:43.559 --> 00:19:45.599 it could have been a raven because they're big enough 341 00:19:45.599 --> 00:19:48.799 to fly down and carry off a peanut butter and 342 00:19:48.880 --> 00:19:51.759 jelly sandwich. But then if you do that and you 343 00:19:51.920 --> 00:19:55.920 have a rock setting there afterwards, that's pretty good indication 344 00:19:56.079 --> 00:19:57.200 there was an exchange. 345 00:20:00.240 --> 00:20:00.720 That makes sense. 346 00:20:00.759 --> 00:20:04.880 So you're having stuff happen at d Ducks Springs prior 347 00:20:05.079 --> 00:20:08.160 to when the Freeman Foodage was filmed. 348 00:20:09.119 --> 00:20:12.240 Yeah, that was usually our camping spot we would camp, 349 00:20:13.279 --> 00:20:16.240 and the reason is because the pond was nice. It 350 00:20:16.359 --> 00:20:18.960 was great for I mean, after two days you get 351 00:20:19.000 --> 00:20:20.720 pretty starchy, and it's kind of nice to be able 352 00:20:20.720 --> 00:20:22.680 to jump into the water that's deep enough that you 353 00:20:22.680 --> 00:20:25.880 can actually get cleaned up. So, yeah, we had a 354 00:20:25.920 --> 00:20:29.920 lot of activity there. We had a big stump. It 355 00:20:30.000 --> 00:20:34.160 was a cedar log of bullet and what they do 356 00:20:34.279 --> 00:20:36.000 is they take those in and they cut those into 357 00:20:36.000 --> 00:20:38.720 shingles or whatever. Anyways, it was by itself been there 358 00:20:38.759 --> 00:20:41.000 for years, and the dirt had kind of piled up 359 00:20:41.000 --> 00:20:43.960 around the sides of it, and the sasquatch had taken 360 00:20:44.079 --> 00:20:47.039 and got his fingers underneath it and flipped the thing 361 00:20:47.119 --> 00:20:50.599 over and then apparently was eating the bugs underneath it. 362 00:20:50.640 --> 00:20:53.759 That's the only thing we could figure and it looked 363 00:20:53.799 --> 00:20:55.880 like he worked over the log too, because there were 364 00:20:55.920 --> 00:20:59.000 like beetles and things like that all over. And I'm 365 00:20:59.039 --> 00:21:03.039 sure that was was just a snack form. But I 366 00:21:03.119 --> 00:21:07.240 had a great footprint, and that would have been June twelfth, 367 00:21:07.720 --> 00:21:12.119 nineteen eighty seven, and that was a cast of Earl. 368 00:21:12.880 --> 00:21:16.440 And I say Earl. I'm not even sure if it 369 00:21:16.480 --> 00:21:18.720 was West Summerlin or if it was Grover Krantz and 370 00:21:18.759 --> 00:21:22.359 Greg May that had named him Earl for sure, but 371 00:21:22.519 --> 00:21:24.839 it was the only time I ever saw his footprint, 372 00:21:25.480 --> 00:21:28.240 and I never cast it again, just that one time, 373 00:21:28.640 --> 00:21:32.359 and it was it's a very strange foot his. You know, 374 00:21:33.079 --> 00:21:35.839 a lot of people think that Sasquatch footprints are like ours, 375 00:21:35.839 --> 00:21:38.559 all the toes are together, But the majority of prints 376 00:21:38.559 --> 00:21:40.200 that you find there's going to be a lot of 377 00:21:41.119 --> 00:21:44.599 movement in the toes and a lot of spreading. Their 378 00:21:45.000 --> 00:21:48.160 feet are wild. They're not contained in a shoe, and 379 00:21:48.200 --> 00:21:52.559 so they don't become what would you say, confined, and 380 00:21:53.000 --> 00:21:55.160 our feet when we walk, we can see, you know, 381 00:21:55.240 --> 00:21:57.839 the peas of the pod going across it are all 382 00:21:57.920 --> 00:22:00.240 nice and neat, and they look like a human track. Well, 383 00:22:00.279 --> 00:22:03.480 you do get those with a Sasquatch. But their toes, 384 00:22:03.519 --> 00:22:05.240 I mean, they can pick up pencils and throw a 385 00:22:05.279 --> 00:22:07.240 match you with their feet if they wanted to. They're 386 00:22:07.359 --> 00:22:10.519 very They can do a lot more than we can 387 00:22:10.640 --> 00:22:13.599 because they've never had that restriction of shoes like we have. 388 00:22:15.000 --> 00:22:19.079 But yeah, so anyways, when I found that I cast 389 00:22:19.160 --> 00:22:27.359 that immediately West Summerland Swede recognized it. Sweet Summerland Grover. 390 00:22:27.440 --> 00:22:29.599 I showed him and he said, oh yeah, and then 391 00:22:29.599 --> 00:22:32.680 he pulls out a drawer full of about five or 392 00:22:32.720 --> 00:22:36.960 six casts that were the same one. And the track 393 00:22:37.039 --> 00:22:40.279 that I have is eighteen inches long. It's fairly good sized, 394 00:22:40.720 --> 00:22:43.640 and it's a narrow foot. And typically a narrow foot 395 00:22:43.640 --> 00:22:46.759 accompanies a female sasquatch, and that the males are a 396 00:22:46.759 --> 00:22:49.920 lot whiter in the feet. But this Earl guy, he 397 00:22:50.079 --> 00:22:52.920 has a real narrow foot, or had a really narrow 398 00:22:52.920 --> 00:22:56.440 foot at least in nineteen eighty seven he did. And 399 00:22:56.480 --> 00:23:00.119 then later up above DTA and if you look on 400 00:23:00.200 --> 00:23:05.359 a Google Maps or a topographical map USGS topic graphical map, 401 00:23:05.920 --> 00:23:10.000