1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:01,840 Speaker 1: Okay, I want you to close your eyes for a second, 2 00:00:01,879 --> 00:00:04,679 just for a moment. Imagine you are standing on a 3 00:00:04,679 --> 00:00:09,839 piece of ground that billions of people considered the absolute 4 00:00:09,839 --> 00:00:10,279 center of the. 5 00:00:10,279 --> 00:00:11,480 Speaker 2: World, the focal point. 6 00:00:11,640 --> 00:00:15,560 Speaker 1: Yes, exactly. Maybe you're navigating the limestone steps of the 7 00:00:15,599 --> 00:00:19,679 Old City in Jerusalem, or maybe you're barefoot on the 8 00:00:19,839 --> 00:00:22,480 cool marble of the Grand Mosque in Mecca, where you. 9 00:00:22,440 --> 00:00:24,839 Speaker 2: Could be shivering in the thin air of the Andes, 10 00:00:24,879 --> 00:00:29,519 looking down into this perfectly circular, dark lake, and you. 11 00:00:29,559 --> 00:00:33,119 Speaker 1: Feel something everyone who goes to these places describes it 12 00:00:33,240 --> 00:00:37,520 is this. It's a vibration, a hum. The hair in 13 00:00:37,520 --> 00:00:41,640 the back of your arms stands up. Now, usually we 14 00:00:41,759 --> 00:00:44,039 call that a spiritual experience. We say, oh, it's the 15 00:00:44,079 --> 00:00:47,679 weight of history, or faith, or just raw human emotion. 16 00:00:48,200 --> 00:00:50,520 But here's the provocation I want to start with. What 17 00:00:50,640 --> 00:00:54,399 if that electricity you feel isn't metaphorical? What if it 18 00:00:54,439 --> 00:00:54,960 is literal? 19 00:00:55,439 --> 00:00:58,679 Speaker 2: It's a question that feels, I don't know, almost dangerous 20 00:00:58,719 --> 00:01:01,920 to even ask, doesn't it because we have been trained 21 00:01:01,960 --> 00:01:04,719 our whole lives to keep those two worlds completely separate. 22 00:01:05,079 --> 00:01:07,680 Physics goes in the lab faith goes in the temple. 23 00:01:08,040 --> 00:01:10,359 But if you actually go back to the source material. 24 00:01:10,519 --> 00:01:13,560 If you read the texts without the filter of you know, 25 00:01:13,640 --> 00:01:17,519 two thousand years of theology, that separation just vanishes. 26 00:01:17,760 --> 00:01:18,359 Speaker 1: It's not there. 27 00:01:18,680 --> 00:01:22,000 Speaker 2: It's not. To the ancients, the holy and the high 28 00:01:22,079 --> 00:01:24,599 tech weren't just similar, they were the exact same thing. 29 00:01:25,400 --> 00:01:28,439 Speaker 1: Welcome to thrilling threads, Ah, I am so ready to 30 00:01:28,439 --> 00:01:30,719 pull on this one. You know the drill. We take 31 00:01:30,760 --> 00:01:34,640 a stack of articles, ancient texts and scientific reports and 32 00:01:34,680 --> 00:01:36,920 we just pull out the loose threads to see what unravels. 33 00:01:36,959 --> 00:01:38,079 Speaker 2: And this one is a big one. 34 00:01:38,120 --> 00:01:41,400 Speaker 1: And today the thread we are holding connects the world's 35 00:01:41,439 --> 00:01:46,280 biggest religions, ancient mythology, and well astrophysics. 36 00:01:46,319 --> 00:01:48,439 Speaker 2: It is a massive synthesis. And I think for a 37 00:01:48,439 --> 00:01:50,319 lot of people this is going to be a challenging listen, 38 00:01:50,400 --> 00:01:54,000 because we are looking at i mean, the startling commonalities 39 00:01:54,040 --> 00:01:58,519 between the world's most sacred sites. Yeah, Jerusalem, Meccha, Bethlehem, 40 00:01:58,560 --> 00:02:01,159 and even as you said, South America. The mission for 41 00:02:01,200 --> 00:02:03,840 this far, our time here is to explore the theory 42 00:02:03,879 --> 00:02:06,560 that these locations weren't just chosen for prayer, they were 43 00:02:06,599 --> 00:02:07,560 chosen for contact. 44 00:02:07,640 --> 00:02:11,000 Speaker 1: Contact. I love that word. It implies a two Way Street. 45 00:02:11,360 --> 00:02:14,159 It's not just us shouting into the void, it's someone 46 00:02:14,240 --> 00:02:15,400 or something answering back. 47 00:02:15,599 --> 00:02:19,360 Speaker 2: Precisely, we are investigating the premise that these sites are, 48 00:02:19,680 --> 00:02:23,360 for lack of a better term, communication hubs, or to 49 00:02:23,400 --> 00:02:25,680 put it in more modern terms, they are terminals. 50 00:02:25,960 --> 00:02:29,199 Speaker 1: So the airport theory of religion, I've heard this floated 51 00:02:29,680 --> 00:02:30,199 in a sense. 52 00:02:30,319 --> 00:02:33,840 Speaker 2: Yes, if you operate under the theory that the divine 53 00:02:33,960 --> 00:02:39,000 might be a primitive interpretation of extraterrestrial or interdimensional, then 54 00:02:39,039 --> 00:02:41,479 you absolutely need a place for that contact to occur. 55 00:02:41,719 --> 00:02:43,759 You need a landing zone, a port. 56 00:02:44,159 --> 00:02:46,439 Speaker 1: I know how this sounds to the skeptics listening right now. 57 00:02:46,560 --> 00:02:49,360 They're thinking, here we go again. We've got magic carpets, 58 00:02:49,360 --> 00:02:51,840 we've got demon builders, we've got gold shielded spacecraft. 59 00:02:51,960 --> 00:02:53,599 Speaker 2: It sounds like pure fantasy. 60 00:02:53,719 --> 00:02:57,039 Speaker 1: It sounds like the script for a summer blockbuster. But 61 00:02:57,120 --> 00:02:59,080 what I love about the research you've brought today is 62 00:02:59,120 --> 00:03:02,800 that we are speculating wildly. You're grounding this in the 63 00:03:02,840 --> 00:03:04,840 actual text, right, This isn't just made up. 64 00:03:05,039 --> 00:03:06,800 Speaker 2: That is the only way to do it. It has 65 00:03:06,879 --> 00:03:09,080 to be. We have to look at the historical records, 66 00:03:09,080 --> 00:03:11,639 the physical anomalies found at these sites, and the specific 67 00:03:11,800 --> 00:03:15,520 language used by the ancients. It is very, very easy 68 00:03:15,520 --> 00:03:17,360 to dismiss things as magic. 69 00:03:17,560 --> 00:03:19,639 Speaker 1: It's the simplest explanation in. 70 00:03:19,560 --> 00:03:21,919 Speaker 2: A way, it is. But when you strip away the 71 00:03:21,960 --> 00:03:25,039 miracle label, the descriptions that are left often sound a 72 00:03:25,080 --> 00:03:27,159 lot like misunderstood technology. 73 00:03:27,319 --> 00:03:30,919 Speaker 1: It's the classic cargo called scenario Arthur C. Clark's law 74 00:03:30,960 --> 00:03:35,919 right quote, any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. 75 00:03:36,080 --> 00:03:38,080 Speaker 2: Exactly. If I travel back in time with a lighter, 76 00:03:38,120 --> 00:03:40,439 I'm a fire wizard. If I bring a drone, I 77 00:03:40,479 --> 00:03:41,800 am quite literally a. 78 00:03:41,759 --> 00:03:44,560 Speaker 1: God, an angel, a messenger from this guy. 79 00:03:44,719 --> 00:03:46,599 Speaker 2: You use the vocabulary you have. If you don't have 80 00:03:46,599 --> 00:03:49,240 the word for radiation, you say the glory of the Lord. 81 00:03:49,479 --> 00:03:51,800 If you don't have the word for heavy machinery, you 82 00:03:51,879 --> 00:03:55,520 say beast or as we'll see demon. Our job today 83 00:03:55,560 --> 00:03:56,879 is to try and translate it back. 84 00:03:57,680 --> 00:03:59,319 Speaker 1: All right, let's get into the evidence. We have to 85 00:03:59,360 --> 00:04:01,840 start at the absolute center, the Temple Mount. 86 00:04:02,039 --> 00:04:04,680 Speaker 2: The Temple Mount in the Old City of Jerusalem. It 87 00:04:04,759 --> 00:04:10,199 is arguably the most contested, most sacred, and most intense 88 00:04:10,560 --> 00:04:12,960 thirty five acres on the entire planet. 89 00:04:13,120 --> 00:04:15,560 Speaker 1: It's physically imposing too. I mean, if you've seen pictures 90 00:04:15,560 --> 00:04:19,279 of it. It's this massive stone plateau, and it's the 91 00:04:19,360 --> 00:04:24,120 ultimate intersection. You have Christianity, Judaism and Islam all converging 92 00:04:24,120 --> 00:04:25,920 on this one specific rectangle of dirt. 93 00:04:25,959 --> 00:04:28,000 Speaker 2: It is the heart of the Holy Land, and the 94 00:04:28,120 --> 00:04:33,040 history there is just it's incredibly layered. For Jews and Christians, 95 00:04:33,279 --> 00:04:36,720 this is Mount Mariah. This is the specific spot where 96 00:04:36,759 --> 00:04:40,639 Abraham bound Isaac and prepared to sacrifice him as described 97 00:04:40,639 --> 00:04:41,920 in Genesis twenty two. 98 00:04:41,839 --> 00:04:43,720 Speaker 1: Which is a heavy story in itself, I mean, the 99 00:04:43,800 --> 00:04:46,879 ultimate test of compliance, a story that shapes three. 100 00:04:46,639 --> 00:04:49,759 Speaker 2: Faiths, incredibly heavy. And then for Muslims, this exact same 101 00:04:49,800 --> 00:04:52,120 site is sacred because it is from the rock, the 102 00:04:52,120 --> 00:04:54,639 foundation stone where the Dome of the Rock stands today, 103 00:04:55,079 --> 00:04:57,879 that the prophet Mohammed ascended into Heaven during the night journey. 104 00:04:57,920 --> 00:05:00,319 Speaker 1: So everyone agrees this is the spot, This is the 105 00:05:00,360 --> 00:05:02,759 elevator to the sky, This is the connection point. But 106 00:05:02,839 --> 00:05:06,399 my question is always why why this specific spot? Why 107 00:05:06,399 --> 00:05:08,560 not the hill next door, why not a valley ten 108 00:05:08,600 --> 00:05:11,160 miles away? What is so special about this piece of 109 00:05:11,160 --> 00:05:11,720 real estate? 110 00:05:11,879 --> 00:05:14,879 Speaker 2: That's the key question. A researcher, Philip Coppins, who spent 111 00:05:14,920 --> 00:05:17,240 a lot of time on this put it very interestingly. 112 00:05:17,879 --> 00:05:21,040 He said that while we have this mixture of three religions, 113 00:05:21,480 --> 00:05:24,759 the origin of the site is singular. It is a 114 00:05:24,800 --> 00:05:28,480 place where God touched down on planet Earth. 115 00:05:28,360 --> 00:05:33,399 Speaker 1: Touched down. That phrasing sticks out to me. It sounds mechanical. 116 00:05:33,480 --> 00:05:35,519 It sounds like an arrival, like a pilot talking about 117 00:05:35,519 --> 00:05:36,560 a landing exactly. 118 00:05:36,680 --> 00:05:38,680 Speaker 2: The theory is that this isn't just a place where 119 00:05:38,759 --> 00:05:41,759 you feel close to God emotionally. It's a place where 120 00:05:41,920 --> 00:05:46,959 communication with the divine realm or the sky is physically possible. 121 00:05:46,959 --> 00:05:48,199 It's a communications hub. 122 00:05:48,639 --> 00:05:50,920 Speaker 1: So if we're using the airport analogy, this is the 123 00:05:50,959 --> 00:05:53,240 main terminal, the grand central station for the divine. 124 00:05:53,360 --> 00:05:57,360 Speaker 2: Yes, if you interpret the divine as beings from the sky, 125 00:05:57,959 --> 00:06:01,000 then the Temple mount is the tarmac primary landing zone. 126 00:06:01,040 --> 00:06:03,240 Speaker 1: And this goes back way before the modern era. We 127 00:06:03,720 --> 00:06:05,879 have to talk about the temple itself, the structure that 128 00:06:05,959 --> 00:06:08,399 was built there. King David conquered the site, but he 129 00:06:08,399 --> 00:06:10,279 didn't build the temple right correct. 130 00:06:10,639 --> 00:06:13,720 Speaker 2: David conquered Jerusalem and made it his capital around one 131 00:06:13,720 --> 00:06:16,439 thousand BC. He felt that the site had a blessing 132 00:06:16,480 --> 00:06:19,360 about it, that it was destined to be the center 133 00:06:19,399 --> 00:06:22,079 of life. He wanted to build a house for. 134 00:06:22,079 --> 00:06:23,800 Speaker 1: The Lord, a permanent residence, a. 135 00:06:23,759 --> 00:06:27,360 Speaker 2: Permanent residence for God on earth. But the Bible says 136 00:06:27,360 --> 00:06:29,600 he was forbidden to do it. The reason given is 137 00:06:29,600 --> 00:06:31,439 that he was a man of war, he had too 138 00:06:31,480 --> 00:06:32,759 much blood on his hands. 139 00:06:33,000 --> 00:06:36,519 Speaker 1: So the job falls to his son, Solomon, Solomon. 140 00:06:36,519 --> 00:06:39,480 Speaker 2: The Wise King. He completed the first temple around nine 141 00:06:39,600 --> 00:06:42,040 hundred and fifty seven BC. And this is where the 142 00:06:42,079 --> 00:06:45,319 story shifts from let's say, pious history to something that 143 00:06:45,399 --> 00:06:47,639 sounds a lot like technological wizardry. 144 00:06:47,879 --> 00:06:50,399 Speaker 1: I love the Solomon legends. In Sunday School. You hear 145 00:06:50,439 --> 00:06:53,079 he was wise, he knew about plants and animals. But 146 00:06:53,120 --> 00:06:56,040 if you dig into the apocrypha, the texts that didn't 147 00:06:56,120 --> 00:06:59,639 make the final edit of the Bible, he's basically a sorcerer. 148 00:06:59,720 --> 00:07:02,519 Speaker 2: He is attributed with some extraordinary capabilities. And this is 149 00:07:02,519 --> 00:07:03,920 where we have to look at a text known as 150 00:07:03,959 --> 00:07:06,480 the Testament of Solomon. It's not in the standard Bible, 151 00:07:06,519 --> 00:07:08,759 but it was widely read in the ancient world. It 152 00:07:08,800 --> 00:07:09,639 was a known text. 153 00:07:09,720 --> 00:07:11,079 Speaker 1: Now, what does it say about the construction. 154 00:07:11,360 --> 00:07:15,519 Speaker 2: It's just that Solomon didn't build this massive, complex temple 155 00:07:16,000 --> 00:07:19,480 using just paid laborers and chisels. It says he used 156 00:07:19,480 --> 00:07:23,279 a magic ring, the Seal of Solomon, to control demons. 157 00:07:23,319 --> 00:07:27,199 Speaker 1: Demons. Okay, so right away we hear demons and our 158 00:07:27,560 --> 00:07:32,000 modern brain thinks of, you know, red horns, pitchforks, spiritual evil. 159 00:07:32,399 --> 00:07:34,680 But we're looking at this through a different lens today, 160 00:07:34,920 --> 00:07:35,639 right We. 161 00:07:35,639 --> 00:07:38,279 Speaker 2: Need to be linguists for a second. The Greek word 162 00:07:38,319 --> 00:07:41,040 is damon. It didn't necessarily mean evil in the way 163 00:07:41,079 --> 00:07:43,879 we use it. It meant a spirit, a lesser deity, 164 00:07:44,319 --> 00:07:48,839 or simply a powerful non human force, a force, a force. 165 00:07:49,079 --> 00:07:51,399 If we strip away the medieval theology for a moment 166 00:07:51,439 --> 00:07:54,120 and just look at the function. What is a demon 167 00:07:54,160 --> 00:07:54,959 in this context? 168 00:07:55,040 --> 00:07:56,560 Speaker 1: What do they do while they were building, right, they 169 00:07:56,560 --> 00:07:59,279 were cutting these enormous stones, moving them exactly. 170 00:07:59,480 --> 00:08:02,680 Speaker 2: They were on human force that possessed immense strength and 171 00:08:02,720 --> 00:08:05,879 could be controlled by a specific device, the ring, to 172 00:08:06,000 --> 00:08:08,199 perform heavy labor. Think about that description. 173 00:08:08,399 --> 00:08:11,279 Speaker 1: It sounds like a bulldozer or a crane, or some 174 00:08:11,399 --> 00:08:13,639 kind of laser potterer. It sounds like a machine. 175 00:08:13,399 --> 00:08:17,199 Speaker 2: Or a robotic workforce. Marvin Meyer, a scholar in the subject, 176 00:08:17,240 --> 00:08:20,000 points out that the ring gave Solomon the ability to 177 00:08:20,160 --> 00:08:24,680 accomplish things beyond what mortals could usually accomplish. If you 178 00:08:24,720 --> 00:08:26,720 were a person living in nine hundred and fifty BC 179 00:08:27,360 --> 00:08:29,759 and you saw a machine lifting a ten ton stone 180 00:08:29,800 --> 00:08:31,720 block with no visible effort. 181 00:08:31,439 --> 00:08:34,679 Speaker 1: I'd say it was a beast, a monster, a demon. 182 00:08:34,840 --> 00:08:36,919 It's the only frame of reference I have exactly. 183 00:08:37,000 --> 00:08:39,720 Speaker 2: You use the vocabulary you have. It's loud, it's strong, 184 00:08:39,799 --> 00:08:42,960 it's not human, and it's probably scary. So it's a demon. 185 00:08:43,559 --> 00:08:44,240 And the ring. 186 00:08:44,639 --> 00:08:48,200 Speaker 1: The ring is the keyfob, it's the controller, the interface. 187 00:08:47,799 --> 00:08:49,399 Speaker 2: That's it. It's the control device. 188 00:08:49,519 --> 00:08:52,639 Speaker 1: That is such a cool reframe. It makes Solomon less 189 00:08:52,639 --> 00:08:54,639 of a mystic and more of an operator. He had 190 00:08:54,679 --> 00:08:57,000 the keys to the heavy machinery. He knew the password. 191 00:08:57,279 --> 00:08:59,919 Speaker 2: And it wasn't just ancient storytellers who were suspicious of 192 00:09:00,159 --> 00:09:04,200 Temple's construction. Sir Isaac Newton, the gravity Guy, the father 193 00:09:04,240 --> 00:09:06,159 of modern physics, was obsessed with it. 194 00:09:06,320 --> 00:09:08,399 Speaker 1: This is one of my favorite fun facts. Newton wrote 195 00:09:08,440 --> 00:09:11,559 more about theology and alchemy than he ever did about physics. 196 00:09:11,919 --> 00:09:12,919 He was a mystic at. 197 00:09:12,799 --> 00:09:16,120 Speaker 2: Heart, he really was. And Isaac Newton spent a huge 198 00:09:16,159 --> 00:09:19,200 amount of his life studying the architecture and geometry of 199 00:09:19,279 --> 00:09:24,399 Solomon's temple. He believed the building itself, its very proportions, 200 00:09:24,519 --> 00:09:26,039 encoded secret knowledge. 201 00:09:26,240 --> 00:09:29,840 Speaker 1: Wait, so the smartest guy the Enlightenment, the man who 202 00:09:29,840 --> 00:09:34,200 basically invented calculus, thought a religious building from one thousand 203 00:09:34,279 --> 00:09:36,559 BC was a scientific puzzle. 204 00:09:36,360 --> 00:09:40,279 Speaker 2: A huge one. Newton felt the temple was architecturally advanced, 205 00:09:40,360 --> 00:09:43,279 beyond the capacity of the time. It was aligned with 206 00:09:43,360 --> 00:09:48,679 incredible precision. Astronomically, the measurements the sacred cubits seemed to 207 00:09:48,720 --> 00:09:51,320 correspond to the harmonic ratios of the solar system. 208 00:09:51,320 --> 00:09:52,080 Speaker 1: That's uncuttly. 209 00:09:52,159 --> 00:09:54,919 Speaker 2: He suspected that Solomon possessed a level of technology or 210 00:09:54,960 --> 00:09:57,519 secret wisdom about the universe that had been lost. 211 00:09:57,600 --> 00:10:00,679 Speaker 1: If Isaac Newton looks at a blueprint and says, hey, 212 00:10:00,919 --> 00:10:03,720 the math here shouldn't exist yet, that is a massive 213 00:10:03,759 --> 00:10:05,759 red flag for me. That's a huge thread to pull on. 214 00:10:05,919 --> 00:10:08,279 Speaker 2: It implies that the knowledge didn't come from human trial 215 00:10:08,320 --> 00:10:11,240 and error. It was given or it was found inherited. 216 00:10:11,440 --> 00:10:14,679 Speaker 1: Okay, so we have the building, a demon built precision facility. 217 00:10:14,960 --> 00:10:17,279 But buildings are just shells. We need to talk about 218 00:10:17,320 --> 00:10:21,320 what was inside the furniture, specifically the arc of the covenant. 219 00:10:21,559 --> 00:10:24,360 Speaker 2: Ugh, the arc. Yes, we usually picture it from Raiders 220 00:10:24,360 --> 00:10:26,840 of the Lost Arc, melting faces and all that, which, 221 00:10:26,879 --> 00:10:28,759 by the way, is not that far off from some 222 00:10:28,840 --> 00:10:32,720 of the biblical descriptions of its power. Really, oh absolutely Biblically, 223 00:10:32,799 --> 00:10:35,039 it was the focal point of the Holy of Holies, 224 00:10:35,080 --> 00:10:38,679 that innermost perfectly cubical room of the Temple. 225 00:10:38,799 --> 00:10:41,519 Speaker 1: And it wasn't just a jewelry box for the Ten Commandments. Yeah, 226 00:10:41,639 --> 00:10:42,519 it was dangerous. 227 00:10:42,720 --> 00:10:46,279 Speaker 2: Very Moses was given extremely specific instructions on how to 228 00:10:46,320 --> 00:10:51,200 build it. Gold inside, acacia wood in the middle, gold outside. 229 00:10:51,279 --> 00:10:53,879 If you look at that layout, any electrical engineer will 230 00:10:53,879 --> 00:10:56,519 tell you that is basically a capacitor. It's designed to 231 00:10:56,720 --> 00:10:58,519 store and discharge energy. 232 00:10:58,799 --> 00:11:00,679 Speaker 1: And later we see that it had to be handled 233 00:11:00,679 --> 00:11:03,399 with extreme care with these long poles, and no one 234 00:11:03,440 --> 00:11:04,279 touched it directly. 235 00:11:04,440 --> 00:11:07,120 Speaker 2: Right there is the famous story of Uza. The arc 236 00:11:07,240 --> 00:11:10,679 is being moved on a cart, the oxen stumble and Uza, 237 00:11:10,799 --> 00:11:13,919 just reacting instinctively, reaches out to steady it and he 238 00:11:14,000 --> 00:11:17,399 drops dead. He drops dead instantly. The text says he 239 00:11:17,519 --> 00:11:20,240 was struck down by God's anger. But what if it 240 00:11:20,279 --> 00:11:22,279 wasn't anger, what if it was just physics? 241 00:11:23,039 --> 00:11:25,799 Speaker 1: High voltage or radiation. That brings up the idea of 242 00:11:25,840 --> 00:11:27,039 shielding it does. 243 00:11:27,200 --> 00:11:29,519 Speaker 2: It was placed in the Holy of Holies, a room 244 00:11:29,600 --> 00:11:32,279 only the high priest could enter and only once a 245 00:11:32,360 --> 00:11:36,200 year on Yam Kapor. He had to wear special linen investments. 246 00:11:36,960 --> 00:11:38,879 Some traditions say he had a rope tied. 247 00:11:38,720 --> 00:11:40,600 Speaker 1: Around his ankle, so if he had a heart attack 248 00:11:40,679 --> 00:11:43,039 or or got zapped in there, they could drag him 249 00:11:43,039 --> 00:11:45,440 out without going in themselves exactly. 250 00:11:45,559 --> 00:11:47,679 Speaker 2: Now, think about that. That is not how you treat 251 00:11:47,679 --> 00:11:50,279 a religious symbol. That is how you treat a reactor core. 252 00:11:50,720 --> 00:11:53,799 You put the dangerous device in a shielded room, thick 253 00:11:53,960 --> 00:11:57,879 stone walls, and you limit exposure. You have safety protocols, 254 00:11:57,960 --> 00:11:58,320 and is. 255 00:11:58,279 --> 00:12:00,879 Speaker 1: Described as God's throne right the mercy seat. 256 00:12:01,159 --> 00:12:04,399 Speaker 2: Yes, the mercy seat, the place where God reigned between 257 00:12:04,440 --> 00:12:07,120 the two cherubim on the lid. But if you combine 258 00:12:07,120 --> 00:12:09,759 that with the danger, the specific construction, and the fact 259 00:12:09,759 --> 00:12:12,879 that it was used for communication, Moses spoke to God 260 00:12:12,919 --> 00:12:16,240 through it. Ancient astronaut theorists argue it was a device, 261 00:12:16,360 --> 00:12:20,039 a machine transmitter, the weapon, a power source, or all three. 262 00:12:20,480 --> 00:12:24,080 Speaker 1: So the theory goes, Solomon uses his demon machinery to 263 00:12:24,080 --> 00:12:26,679 build a high tech hangar, the temple two house or 264 00:12:26,759 --> 00:12:29,399 radioactive communication device, the arc. 265 00:12:29,720 --> 00:12:32,360 Speaker 2: That is the theory in a nutshell, and it suggests 266 00:12:32,399 --> 00:12:35,360 that the wisdom of Solomon wasn't just philosophical, it was 267 00:12:35,399 --> 00:12:38,360 actually technical. Know how he knew the startup sequence, he 268 00:12:38,399 --> 00:12:39,440 had the user manual. 269 00:12:39,559 --> 00:12:42,759 Speaker 1: Speaking of Solomon and technology, that seems out of place. 270 00:12:43,200 --> 00:12:44,519 We have to talk about the carpet. 271 00:12:44,639 --> 00:12:45,639 Speaker 2: The magic carpet. 272 00:12:45,759 --> 00:12:48,320 Speaker 1: Yes, this is usually the stuff of Disney movies. It 273 00:12:48,320 --> 00:12:52,480 feels like pure fantasy, but it's in the actual religious traditions. 274 00:12:52,559 --> 00:12:56,039 Speaker 2: It is. Both Islamic texts and Jewish mid Rush describe 275 00:12:56,080 --> 00:12:59,039 Solomon having a vast carpet made of green silk. 276 00:12:59,320 --> 00:13:01,039 Speaker 1: And it wasn't a rug for his living room. 277 00:13:01,240 --> 00:13:04,440 Speaker 2: No, the descriptions are very clear. It was large enough 278 00:13:04,440 --> 00:13:07,159 for his throne and all his forces to stand on. 279 00:13:07,279 --> 00:13:12,799 Speaker 1: Whoa wait, his forces as in his army, soldiers, his soldiers, 280 00:13:12,799 --> 00:13:15,720 his entire entourage. The texts say the wind would cutch 281 00:13:15,720 --> 00:13:18,559 it and transport them wherever he commanded at incredible speed. 282 00:13:18,639 --> 00:13:21,720 Speaker 2: Okay, okay, let's apply the cargo cult logic here. I'm 283 00:13:21,720 --> 00:13:23,639 a shepherd in the desert in nine to fifty BC. 284 00:13:23,879 --> 00:13:26,720 I look up and I see a massive, flat green 285 00:13:26,759 --> 00:13:29,559 platform hovering in the air with an army of men 286 00:13:29,639 --> 00:13:31,840 standing on it. What do I call it? You call 287 00:13:31,879 --> 00:13:35,320 it a carpet. It's the only large, flat woven thing 288 00:13:35,399 --> 00:13:37,679 you know that sits on the ground. If it's in 289 00:13:37,720 --> 00:13:40,559 the air, well, it's a flying carpet. What other word 290 00:13:40,559 --> 00:13:42,720 could you possibly use that is wild? 291 00:13:42,960 --> 00:13:45,360 Speaker 1: It completely changes as the visual. It's not a laddin 292 00:13:45,440 --> 00:13:48,480 on a little rug. It's a troop, transport carrier. It's 293 00:13:48,519 --> 00:13:49,240 a platform. 294 00:13:49,440 --> 00:13:53,080 Speaker 2: It really reframes the folklore. Was Solomon in contact with 295 00:13:53,159 --> 00:13:57,080 extraterrestrials who provided him with a transport crab to manage 296 00:13:57,159 --> 00:14:00,559 his kingdom? It would certainly explain how he moved forces 297 00:14:00,639 --> 00:14:04,519 around so quickly and projected power across such a wide region. 298 00:14:04,639 --> 00:14:07,080 Speaker 1: It really changes the image of the wise king sitting 299 00:14:07,120 --> 00:14:10,320 on a rug. It becomes a commander on a hover carrier, 300 00:14:10,440 --> 00:14:11,480 directing his troops. 301 00:14:11,639 --> 00:14:13,600 Speaker 2: And that leads us to the next logical question, a 302 00:14:13,679 --> 00:14:17,480 question of resources. If these gods or visitors are providing technology, 303 00:14:17,559 --> 00:14:21,519 these powerful tools like shields, transmitters, transport platforms, what do 304 00:14:21,559 --> 00:14:22,440 they want in return? 305 00:14:22,600 --> 00:14:26,759 Speaker 1: Ah the fee the price of doing business. Nothing is free, 306 00:14:26,840 --> 00:14:28,320 even in the ancient world, the. 307 00:14:28,200 --> 00:14:30,240 Speaker 2: Fee and that takes us from the deserts of the 308 00:14:30,279 --> 00:14:32,919 Middle East, across the ocean to the mountains of South 309 00:14:32,960 --> 00:14:36,519 America to El Dorado. Yes, the Golden Connection. 310 00:14:36,919 --> 00:14:39,399 Speaker 1: I think most people hear El Dorado and they think 311 00:14:39,480 --> 00:14:42,679 of a city of gold, you know, a shimmering metropolis 312 00:14:42,840 --> 00:14:44,279 hidden in the Amazon jungle. 313 00:14:44,759 --> 00:14:47,480 Speaker 2: That's the myth that grew later fueled by the greed 314 00:14:47,639 --> 00:14:51,480 of European conquistadors. But the reality, the source of the 315 00:14:51,559 --> 00:14:55,960 legend is actually a person. El Dorado means the Golden One. 316 00:14:55,759 --> 00:14:58,240 Speaker 1: And this is based on the Miska people in what 317 00:14:58,320 --> 00:14:59,879 is now Columbia right correct. 318 00:15:00,080 --> 00:15:04,080 Speaker 2: Specifically, they are rituals at Lake Guadavida. It's this stunningly 319 00:15:04,159 --> 00:15:08,720 perfect circular mountain lake, which interestingly is believed by a 320 00:15:08,759 --> 00:15:11,679 geologists to be an ancient meteor crater. 321 00:15:11,919 --> 00:15:15,120 Speaker 1: Another connection to the sky, a crater lake. It's like 322 00:15:15,200 --> 00:15:17,679 the Earth is marked like an X on a treasure map. 323 00:15:17,759 --> 00:15:20,600 Speaker 2: Exactly, it's another impact site. So the Muska chief known 324 00:15:20,600 --> 00:15:23,039 as the Zipa, would perform a ritual. He would cover 325 00:15:23,080 --> 00:15:25,799 his entire body in sticky resin and then roll in 326 00:15:25,919 --> 00:15:29,399 fine gold dust until he was literally a living gold statue, talk. 327 00:15:29,279 --> 00:15:31,080 Speaker 1: About a flex that's a serious. 328 00:15:30,720 --> 00:15:34,919 Speaker 2: Statement, an unbelievable statement. He would then be taken out 329 00:15:34,960 --> 00:15:36,840 on a royal barge to the very center of the 330 00:15:36,840 --> 00:15:39,720 crater lake and jump in, washing the gold off his body. 331 00:15:39,960 --> 00:15:42,440 At the same time, his people standing on the shore 332 00:15:42,720 --> 00:15:47,159 would throw golden objects, trinkets, jewelry, emeralds into the lake 333 00:15:47,279 --> 00:15:48,159 as offerings. 334 00:15:48,240 --> 00:15:50,840 Speaker 1: And this isn't just a story, this isn't folklore. We 335 00:15:50,919 --> 00:15:53,240 know this happened because people went looking for the gold. 336 00:15:53,399 --> 00:15:57,080 Speaker 2: We do. In nineteen twelve, a British engineer named Hartley 337 00:15:57,200 --> 00:16:00,639 Knowles actually managed a project to drain part of the lake. 338 00:16:00,840 --> 00:16:03,639 It was an incredible feed of engineering and he recovered 339 00:16:03,679 --> 00:16:06,519 about twenty thousand dollars worth of gold artifacts. 340 00:16:06,159 --> 00:16:09,600 Speaker 1: In nineteen twelve money. That's a fortune today, millions, millions. 341 00:16:09,639 --> 00:16:12,519 Speaker 2: It proved the ritual was real. But here's the big question, 342 00:16:12,559 --> 00:16:15,120 the one that ties it all together. Why why do 343 00:16:15,240 --> 00:16:16,320 gods want gold? 344 00:16:16,679 --> 00:16:19,480 Speaker 1: Right? This always bugged me. If you are an advance 345 00:16:19,559 --> 00:16:22,639 being capable of interstellar travel, why do you care about 346 00:16:22,639 --> 00:16:25,080 a soft yellow metal. You can't eat it, it's too 347 00:16:25,120 --> 00:16:27,519 soft to build the spaceship haul out of it, has 348 00:16:27,559 --> 00:16:31,120 no practical use or so we think why the obsession. 349 00:16:31,399 --> 00:16:33,799 Speaker 2: This is where modern science gives us a very, very 350 00:16:33,840 --> 00:16:38,000 compelling answer. Derek Pitts, the chief astronomer at the Franklin Institute, 351 00:16:38,000 --> 00:16:42,159 breaks this down perfectly. Gold is unique for several reasons. First, 352 00:16:42,200 --> 00:16:44,759 as many people know, it is inert. It doesn't rust, 353 00:16:44,840 --> 00:16:47,879 it doesn't corrode, it doesn't tarnish. It lasts forever. 354 00:16:47,960 --> 00:16:51,360 Speaker 1: Okay, so it's durable, good for long term storage. Maybe. 355 00:16:51,600 --> 00:16:54,799 Speaker 2: Second, it is a fantastic conductor of electricity, but better 356 00:16:54,840 --> 00:16:57,720 than copper and many applications because it doesn't oxidize, so 357 00:16:57,720 --> 00:17:00,919 it's used in high end electronics. The third point is 358 00:17:00,960 --> 00:17:04,599 the real clincher. For space travel. Gold is a perfect 359 00:17:04,680 --> 00:17:10,000 reflector of infrared energy. Infrared heat, exactly heat. In space 360 00:17:10,200 --> 00:17:14,359 you have two massive temperature problems, absolute freezing cold when 361 00:17:14,400 --> 00:17:17,519 you're in shadow and the intense searing heat of a 362 00:17:17,559 --> 00:17:20,880 star when you're in the light. You need to shield 363 00:17:20,880 --> 00:17:23,640 your spacecraft, your satellites, your body. If you look at 364 00:17:23,720 --> 00:17:26,680 NASA satellites today or the Apollo Lunar lander, what are 365 00:17:26,680 --> 00:17:27,440 they covered in. 366 00:17:27,319 --> 00:17:30,000 Speaker 1: That crinkly gold foil stuff? You see it in every picture. 367 00:17:30,160 --> 00:17:34,200 Speaker 2: Gold blankets, mil aar coated with a microscopically thin layer 368 00:17:34,319 --> 00:17:37,200 of pure gold. Even the mirrors of the James Webb 369 00:17:37,279 --> 00:17:40,000 Space Telescope are coated in gold. It's not for decoration, 370 00:17:40,480 --> 00:17:42,680 it's to manage infrared radiation. 371 00:17:43,160 --> 00:17:43,519 Speaker 1: Wow. 372 00:17:43,920 --> 00:17:47,920 Speaker 2: So the theory proposed by researchers like the controversial Zacharia 373 00:17:48,039 --> 00:17:51,880 Sitchen is that ancient visitors weren't asking for gold because 374 00:17:51,880 --> 00:17:55,000 they were vain or because they like jewelry. They were mining. 375 00:17:55,240 --> 00:17:57,839 They were collecting a vital industrial. 376 00:17:57,279 --> 00:18:01,160 Speaker 1: Resource they needed for repairs, for each fielding, or for survival. 377 00:18:01,519 --> 00:18:03,960 Sitchin had a wilder theory that they might even need 378 00:18:04,000 --> 00:18:07,279 it suspended as fine particles in their home planet's atmosphere 379 00:18:07,279 --> 00:18:10,039 to reflect heat. But on a practical level, if you 380 00:18:10,079 --> 00:18:12,119 have a ship and you've traveled light years and your 381 00:18:12,119 --> 00:18:14,000 heat shielding is damaged, you. 382 00:18:13,960 --> 00:18:16,920 Speaker 2: Need gold and you can't just synthesize it from other elements, 383 00:18:16,960 --> 00:18:18,880 not easily. So you find a planet that has it, 384 00:18:18,960 --> 00:18:21,440 and you get the local intelligent life forms to fetch 385 00:18:21,480 --> 00:18:23,799 it for you. Bring us the shiny yellow metal, and 386 00:18:23,839 --> 00:18:27,960 we will grant you rain or protection or knowledge exactly. 387 00:18:28,079 --> 00:18:31,799 It completely reframes the dynamic. We value gold as money, 388 00:18:32,119 --> 00:18:34,599 they might value it as a utility. It changes the 389 00:18:34,720 --> 00:18:37,839 entire concept of the offering. It's not worship, it's a 390 00:18:37,880 --> 00:18:40,920 supply chain. It's a transaction that blows my mind. The 391 00:18:41,000 --> 00:18:43,440 Zipa jumping into the lake isn't just a religious act. 392 00:18:43,480 --> 00:18:46,200 He's delivering a shipment. He's making a deposit to the 393 00:18:46,359 --> 00:18:48,799 entity living at the bottom of the crater. It certainly 394 00:18:48,880 --> 00:18:52,200 aligns with the cargo cult idea. We mimic the motions. 395 00:18:52,200 --> 00:18:55,319 We still hoard gold today, but we've lost the original 396 00:18:55,519 --> 00:18:56,680 technical reason why. 397 00:18:57,039 --> 00:19:01,400 Speaker 1: Speaking of mimicking motions in circling the Yeah, we need 398 00:19:01,440 --> 00:19:03,119 to go back to the Middle East. We need to 399 00:19:03,119 --> 00:19:03,759 go to Mecca. 400 00:19:03,960 --> 00:19:05,440 Speaker 2: Yes, the Kaba. 401 00:19:05,839 --> 00:19:07,319 Speaker 1: This is another one of these sites that is just 402 00:19:07,440 --> 00:19:10,200 visually stunning, the perfect black cube. 403 00:19:10,000 --> 00:19:12,359 Speaker 2: The Kaba. It sits at the heart of the Grand 404 00:19:12,440 --> 00:19:15,200 Mosque in Mecca. It's a granite structure draped in that 405 00:19:15,480 --> 00:19:17,960 iconic black silk embroidered with gold thread. 406 00:19:18,039 --> 00:19:20,160 Speaker 1: And the history goes back to Abraham again. Right, we're 407 00:19:20,160 --> 00:19:21,720 back to the same family it does. 408 00:19:22,039 --> 00:19:24,400 Speaker 2: Islamic tradition says it was built by Abraham and his 409 00:19:24,440 --> 00:19:27,720 son Ishmael around two thousand BC, making it a sort 410 00:19:27,759 --> 00:19:30,799 of sister site to the original plans for the Temple Mount. 411 00:19:31,079 --> 00:19:33,799 Speaker 1: So we have that direct link to the Temple Mount lineage, 412 00:19:34,000 --> 00:19:36,440 same family, same original builders. We do. 413 00:19:36,680 --> 00:19:40,160 Speaker 2: And the central ritual here is the Hodge. Nearly three 414 00:19:40,200 --> 00:19:42,880 million people come every year. They enter the Grand Mosque 415 00:19:43,079 --> 00:19:46,720 and they circle the kaba seven times counterclockwise. It's called 416 00:19:46,720 --> 00:19:47,279 the Tawaf. 417 00:19:48,000 --> 00:19:50,799 Speaker 1: The energy there must be absolutely insane, just the kinetic 418 00:19:50,880 --> 00:19:54,359 movement of that many people focused on a single. 419 00:19:54,079 --> 00:19:58,039 Speaker 2: Point it is. People describe a palpable energy radiating from 420 00:19:58,079 --> 00:20:01,559 the Kaba itself. Some say it increased the spirituality, others 421 00:20:01,559 --> 00:20:04,119 claim it affects their physical health. But just from a 422 00:20:04,119 --> 00:20:07,759 pure physics standpoint, you have millions of people creating a 423 00:20:07,839 --> 00:20:13,000 massive vortex of kinetic and bioelectric energy around a central point. 424 00:20:13,119 --> 00:20:15,000 Speaker 1: And what is at that central point? What's inside the 425 00:20:15,039 --> 00:20:17,759 cube or more importantly, what's on it? The blackstone? 426 00:20:17,839 --> 00:20:20,839 Speaker 2: The Blackstone, it's embedded in the eastern corner of the kava, 427 00:20:21,000 --> 00:20:22,160 set in a silver frame. 428 00:20:22,319 --> 00:20:24,559 Speaker 1: This is the mystery object. What do we actually know 429 00:20:24,599 --> 00:20:25,839 about it? Where does it come from? 430 00:20:25,920 --> 00:20:27,319 Speaker 2: The legend says it fell from the sky. 431 00:20:27,480 --> 00:20:30,039 Speaker 1: Of course it did, just like the meteor that made 432 00:20:30,079 --> 00:20:33,279 the crater in Colombia. Another object from the heavens. 433 00:20:33,720 --> 00:20:36,880 Speaker 2: Some accounts say that archangel Michael brought it down from 434 00:20:36,920 --> 00:20:40,000 heaven to Adam, and Eve brought it down again. 435 00:20:40,039 --> 00:20:43,799 Speaker 1: That's delivery language, not created, but transported. 436 00:20:43,319 --> 00:20:46,240 Speaker 2: And not just as a rock. The author Eric Vondenikin 437 00:20:46,359 --> 00:20:50,640 highlights a specific tradition that the stone contained information, that 438 00:20:50,680 --> 00:20:54,119 Michael gave Abraham information in written form, and that it 439 00:20:54,200 --> 00:20:56,920 was sealed inside. 440 00:20:56,359 --> 00:21:00,079 Speaker 1: The stone, sealed inside like a hard drive. 441 00:21:00,039 --> 00:21:02,839 Speaker 2: A thumb drive, or a black box from a crashed ship, 442 00:21:03,240 --> 00:21:05,880 or a memory crystal. The language is suggestive of a 443 00:21:05,920 --> 00:21:06,920 container for data. 444 00:21:07,400 --> 00:21:11,319 Speaker 1: And scientifically, the consensus is it's a meteorite, right. That's 445 00:21:11,359 --> 00:21:12,799 the OCAM's razor explanation. 446 00:21:12,880 --> 00:21:16,400 Speaker 2: That is the prevailing scientific view. Yes, most likely a meteorite. 447 00:21:16,720 --> 00:21:19,359 But here is the catch, and it's a big one. 448 00:21:19,480 --> 00:21:22,519 Forensic examination of the Blackstone is strictly forbidden. 449 00:21:22,640 --> 00:21:23,359 Speaker 1: Of course it is. 450 00:21:23,440 --> 00:21:25,359 Speaker 2: You can't touch it, we can't take a sample, we 451 00:21:25,400 --> 00:21:27,200 can't put it under a microscope, we can't do a 452 00:21:27,240 --> 00:21:30,680 spectral analysis. It is preserved strictly as a sacred object. 453 00:21:31,119 --> 00:21:33,279 Its physical nature is off limits. 454 00:21:33,079 --> 00:21:36,079 Speaker 1: Which is fascinating because if it's at a meteorite, the 455 00:21:36,079 --> 00:21:38,880 ancients were absolutely right it literally came from the heavens. 456 00:21:39,839 --> 00:21:43,079 But the secrecy makes you wonder, what if it's not 457 00:21:43,200 --> 00:21:45,480 just rock, what if there's something inside. 458 00:21:45,200 --> 00:21:49,000 Speaker 2: Exactly, whether it's a natural meteorite or an artificial object. 459 00:21:49,279 --> 00:21:52,759 The core belief is correct. This is a piece of 460 00:21:52,799 --> 00:21:56,599 the other world that is now here on Earth, and 461 00:21:56,680 --> 00:21:59,200 the ritual pointing at it, trying to kiss it during 462 00:21:59,240 --> 00:22:03,039 the toaf is an acknowledgment of that celestial origin. It's 463 00:22:03,079 --> 00:22:05,319 like you're saluting the flag of another world. 464 00:22:05,400 --> 00:22:07,480 Speaker 1: It connects right back to the Temple mount. You have 465 00:22:07,519 --> 00:22:11,200 a specific location where an object from the sky, the 466 00:22:11,359 --> 00:22:14,279 arc in that case, the stone here anchors the connection 467 00:22:14,319 --> 00:22:14,880 to the divine. 468 00:22:14,920 --> 00:22:17,400 Speaker 2: It's a physical interface. You don't just pray into the air. 469 00:22:17,519 --> 00:22:19,920 You prey towards the coordinate, towards the device. 470 00:22:20,079 --> 00:22:22,440 Speaker 1: So we've got stones falling from the sky, we've got 471 00:22:22,480 --> 00:22:26,200 gold going into lakes. But there's another geological feature that 472 00:22:26,279 --> 00:22:28,880 keeps popping up in these stories over and over again. 473 00:22:29,240 --> 00:22:32,279 Speaker 2: Caves, the cave paradox. This is one of the most 474 00:22:32,319 --> 00:22:35,240 intriguing patterns because it sort of contradicts the idea that 475 00:22:35,319 --> 00:22:37,640 gods are always in the sky. Sometimes you have to 476 00:22:37,680 --> 00:22:39,319 go down to connect with what's up. 477 00:22:39,480 --> 00:22:43,480 Speaker 1: Okay, let's talk about the Nativity, because every Christmas pageant 478 00:22:43,519 --> 00:22:46,319 I've ever seen, every card I've ever gotten, has a 479 00:22:46,319 --> 00:22:48,799 wooden stable, a barn with a cow and a donkey. 480 00:22:48,920 --> 00:22:51,880 Speaker 2: That's the Western tradition, based on a particular reading of 481 00:22:51,880 --> 00:22:54,960 the Gospels. But if you go to Bethlehem today to 482 00:22:55,359 --> 00:22:58,599 the Church of the Nativity, one of the oldest continuously 483 00:22:58,640 --> 00:23:01,240 operating churches in the world, it is built over. 484 00:23:01,079 --> 00:23:04,079 Speaker 1: A cave, a cave, not a stable, a cave. 485 00:23:04,400 --> 00:23:08,079 Speaker 2: And the proto Evangelium of James, an ancient text that 486 00:23:08,160 --> 00:23:11,000 didn't make the final Bible cup it was very influential, 487 00:23:11,359 --> 00:23:14,480 describes Joseph and Mary stopping at a cave on the way. 488 00:23:14,359 --> 00:23:16,200 Speaker 1: To Bethlehem, and what happens in the cave. 489 00:23:16,359 --> 00:23:19,119 Speaker 2: It says, a brilliant light appeared, a light so intense 490 00:23:19,160 --> 00:23:22,319 it overshadowed the entire pave. It blinded them, and when 491 00:23:22,359 --> 00:23:24,079 the light dissipated, the infant was there. 492 00:23:24,640 --> 00:23:26,680 Speaker 1: That does not sound like a normal birth. That sound 493 00:23:26,720 --> 00:23:29,200 like a teleportation event, a materialization. 494 00:23:29,400 --> 00:23:32,480 Speaker 2: It certainly sounds like an energy event, not a biological one. 495 00:23:32,680 --> 00:23:36,799 And for centuries Byzantine art, Eastern Orthodox art almost always 496 00:23:36,839 --> 00:23:39,839 depicts the Nativity in a cave, not a barn. They 497 00:23:39,880 --> 00:23:41,839 held on to that older tradition. 498 00:23:41,720 --> 00:23:45,119 Speaker 1: And then you fast forward thirty three years to the 499 00:23:45,240 --> 00:23:48,359 end of Jesus's life. The resurrection also a cave. 500 00:23:48,680 --> 00:23:51,119 Speaker 2: The tomb was a hollowed out room in the rock, 501 00:23:51,279 --> 00:23:52,359 sealed with a stone. 502 00:23:52,519 --> 00:23:55,720 Speaker 1: So Divinity enters Earth through a cave and leaves Earth 503 00:23:55,759 --> 00:23:56,400 through a cave. 504 00:23:56,720 --> 00:23:59,400 Speaker 2: That is the pattern. It's an incredible symmetry. It suggests 505 00:23:59,440 --> 00:24:03,519 that caves are portals, gateways, thresholds, gateways, and we may 506 00:24:03,519 --> 00:24:06,559 have a physical artifact that suggests high energy physics was 507 00:24:06,559 --> 00:24:10,839 involved in that departure from the cave. The shroud of turin. 508 00:24:10,759 --> 00:24:13,759 Speaker 1: The shroud, this is the cloth that supposedly covered Jesus's 509 00:24:13,839 --> 00:24:15,039 body in the tomb. Right. 510 00:24:15,119 --> 00:24:18,160 Speaker 2: Yes, And for centuries the debate was is it a painting? 511 00:24:18,200 --> 00:24:21,319 Is it a medieval forgery? But twenty first century analysis, 512 00:24:21,359 --> 00:24:24,359 particularly from the Stirp team, has shown it is a 513 00:24:24,400 --> 00:24:27,519 first century linen garment from the Middle East, and the 514 00:24:27,599 --> 00:24:31,079 image on it, it's not paint, it's not die, it's 515 00:24:31,079 --> 00:24:33,039 not a scorch from a hot object. What is it 516 00:24:33,079 --> 00:24:36,160 that it's a type of scorch, But it's incredibly superficial, 517 00:24:36,200 --> 00:24:39,279 affecting only a top few microfibers of the linen. It 518 00:24:39,319 --> 00:24:42,559 acts like a photographic negative. And get this, it contains 519 00:24:42,599 --> 00:24:46,359 three D information. The intensity of the image varies based 520 00:24:46,440 --> 00:24:48,319 on how far the cloth was from the body. You 521 00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:50,680 cannot paint that, So how did it get there? The 522 00:24:50,799 --> 00:24:53,880 leading scientific theory among those who've studied it is that 523 00:24:53,960 --> 00:24:58,799 an intense, instantaneous burst of radiation energy emanated from the body, 524 00:24:59,240 --> 00:25:01,200 scorching the image onto the cloth. 525 00:25:01,559 --> 00:25:04,720 Speaker 1: So if we're looking at this through our thrilling threads lens, 526 00:25:05,759 --> 00:25:09,000 the resurrection wasn't just a spiritual miracle. It was a 527 00:25:09,039 --> 00:25:13,519 technological event, a massive burst of radiation in a sealed chamber. 528 00:25:13,720 --> 00:25:16,920 Speaker 2: That's the implication, a de materialization event that left a 529 00:25:17,079 --> 00:25:20,599 radiation shadow. And remember the witnesses. The Bible says that 530 00:25:20,640 --> 00:25:23,240 when people came to the tomb, the body was gone, 531 00:25:23,440 --> 00:25:26,200 but they met two shining beings. 532 00:25:25,920 --> 00:25:30,119 Speaker 1: Shining beings angels dressed in white, non human beings who 533 00:25:30,160 --> 00:25:31,160 told them he had departed. 534 00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:33,839 Speaker 2: It sounds like a retrieval team. The package is secure, 535 00:25:33,960 --> 00:25:35,599 he's gone clear the area. 536 00:25:35,640 --> 00:25:38,839 Speaker 1: It does, and this cave connection isn't limited to Christianity. 537 00:25:39,039 --> 00:25:42,880 Uhammad received the Koran from the angel Gabriel in a 538 00:25:42,920 --> 00:25:43,920 cave on man. 539 00:25:43,759 --> 00:25:46,519 Speaker 2: Here right, I forgot about that. The prophet Elijah lived 540 00:25:46,519 --> 00:25:49,839 in a cave on Mount Horeb. In Greek mythology, Zeus 541 00:25:49,920 --> 00:25:52,079 was born and raised in a cave to hide him 542 00:25:52,079 --> 00:25:55,359 from his father. The ancient world is obsessed with the 543 00:25:55,400 --> 00:25:57,160 idea that if you want to talk to the gods, 544 00:25:57,160 --> 00:25:57,960 you go on a ground. 545 00:25:58,920 --> 00:26:02,279 Speaker 1: But why is it just for shelter? Is it just 546 00:26:02,319 --> 00:26:03,440 a quiet place to think? 547 00:26:03,599 --> 00:26:06,400 Speaker 2: Maybe? But maybe it's about shielding again, just like the 548 00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:11,160 Holy shielded the arc, or maybe certain geological locations caves 549 00:26:11,160 --> 00:26:14,400 with high courts content, for instance, act as natural amplifiers 550 00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:17,359 or connection points to other dimensions. 551 00:26:17,640 --> 00:26:21,960 Speaker 1: It reframes the whole underworld concept. The underworld in mythology 552 00:26:22,039 --> 00:26:26,279 isn't always hell in the Christian sense. It's just another place, yeah, 553 00:26:26,279 --> 00:26:28,480 a different realm you access through the Earth. 554 00:26:28,599 --> 00:26:32,160 Speaker 2: It's the hollow earth theory meets stargate. If you connect 555 00:26:32,160 --> 00:26:34,960 it to the bigger picture, it reinforces this core idea 556 00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:37,480 that the locations matter. You can't just do this anywhere. 557 00:26:37,480 --> 00:26:40,200 You need the specific conductivity of the temple mount or 558 00:26:40,240 --> 00:26:43,200 the magnetic anomaly of the cave or the gold reserves 559 00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:44,039 of the Crater Lake. 560 00:26:44,279 --> 00:26:46,640 Speaker 1: It makes the map of the world look very different. 561 00:26:47,119 --> 00:26:49,680 It's not a map of political borders. It's a circuit board. 562 00:26:49,880 --> 00:26:50,599 These are the nodes. 563 00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:55,240 Speaker 2: That is a beautiful analogy, a planetary circuit board, and 564 00:26:55,279 --> 00:26:57,119 we are the ones walking around on top of it 565 00:26:57,160 --> 00:26:58,960 trying to figure out how to plug things in again. 566 00:26:59,160 --> 00:27:01,440 Speaker 1: So let's try to tell all these threads together. Now 567 00:27:01,519 --> 00:27:05,799 we've gone from the gold shielded spacecraft technology of South America. 568 00:27:05,319 --> 00:27:08,599 Speaker 2: To the demon built heavy industry of Solomon's Temple in. 569 00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:12,160 Speaker 1: Jerusalem, to the radiation scarred shroud in a cave in 570 00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:14,640 Judea and the meteorite in Mecca. 571 00:27:14,799 --> 00:27:17,279 Speaker 2: The common thread is that these sacred sites aren't just 572 00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:20,400 places of human projection. They aren't just places where we 573 00:27:20,559 --> 00:27:23,960 collectively decided to be holy. They seem to be places 574 00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:31,599 of physical anomaly, radiation, meteorites, advanced construction techniques, unexplained energy fields. 575 00:27:31,759 --> 00:27:33,640 Speaker 1: It's like we're living in the ruins of a much 576 00:27:33,640 --> 00:27:36,880 more advanced civilization, but we've forgotten it was advanced. We 577 00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:40,599 just think it was magic. We've mythologized the technology exactly. 578 00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:43,839 Speaker 2: I often think that perhaps we have lost the instruction 579 00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:47,279 manual we perform the rituals, we circle the stone, we 580 00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:49,799 wash the gold, we pray in the cave, but we 581 00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:52,240 have forgotten the technological purpose behind them. 582 00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:55,000 Speaker 1: We're pressing buttons on a dead control panel, hoping something 583 00:27:55,079 --> 00:27:57,680 lights up. We're repeating the words we heard the original 584 00:27:57,720 --> 00:27:59,640 operators say, hoping it starts the engine. 585 00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:02,480 Speaker 2: Perhaps the knowledge is left for us to discover. Maybe 586 00:28:02,519 --> 00:28:05,079 the gods, whoever they were, didn't leave it to confuse us. 587 00:28:05,599 --> 00:28:08,599 Maybe they left it as a breadcrumb trail, a puzzle, 588 00:28:09,559 --> 00:28:11,880 waiting for our own technology to catch up so we 589 00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:14,119 can finally understand what the Arc really was, or what 590 00:28:14,119 --> 00:28:15,440 the Blackstone really holds. 591 00:28:15,720 --> 00:28:18,599 Speaker 1: That gives me chills. The idea that the Bible or 592 00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:21,759 the Quran aren't just moral guides, but are also technical 593 00:28:21,759 --> 00:28:23,400 manuals that we haven't decoded yet. 594 00:28:23,519 --> 00:28:25,680 Speaker 2: It's a possibility we have to entertain if we're going 595 00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:28,039 to be honest about what the texts actually say. 596 00:28:28,160 --> 00:28:30,680 Speaker 1: So here is the question for you, the listener, and 597 00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:32,519 I really want you to think about this, to sit 598 00:28:32,559 --> 00:28:36,519 with it. If we were allowed right now today, with 599 00:28:36,599 --> 00:28:40,880 twenty first century technology, to run full scientific tests on 600 00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:43,960 the Arc of the Covenant, or crack open the Blackstone 601 00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:47,680 of Mecca. What do you think we would find? 602 00:28:47,839 --> 00:28:49,400 Speaker 2: That is the ultimate question, isn't it. 603 00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:52,359 Speaker 1: Would we find God or would we find a machine, 604 00:28:52,559 --> 00:28:56,839 a microchip, a power core, a data storage. 605 00:28:56,480 --> 00:29:00,240 Speaker 2: Device, or perhaps, and this is the really mind bending part, 606 00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:03,200 we would find that the distinction we make between God 607 00:29:03,319 --> 00:29:05,640 and machine isn't as clear as we think it is. 608 00:29:05,839 --> 00:29:08,680 Speaker 1: WHOA Okay, I'm going to be thinking about that one 609 00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:11,240 all week. We want to hear your take. Are these 610 00:29:11,279 --> 00:29:14,200 sites airports for the divine or just places where we 611 00:29:14,240 --> 00:29:16,400 hope they're listening. Leave a comment, let us know where. 612 00:29:16,279 --> 00:29:18,400 Speaker 2: You stand on this, and look into the history of 613 00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:21,519 your own local sacred sites. You might be surprised what 614 00:29:21,599 --> 00:29:24,200 physical anomalies you find a hiding in the legends. 615 00:29:24,359 --> 00:29:26,359 Speaker 1: Thanks for pilling these threads with us. It's been a 616 00:29:26,359 --> 00:29:29,160 wild ride. Until next time, keep looking up.