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<v Speaker 1>Lakeville in Indiana is the kind of time you might

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<v Speaker 1>pass through without even realizing it. It has a population

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<v Speaker 1>of less than one thousand people, and it's surrounded in

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<v Speaker 1>sprawling farmland and flat open fields. It was founded in

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<v Speaker 1>the mid eighteen hundreds and has always been a working

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<v Speaker 1>class community defined by tradition, close knit values, and a

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<v Speaker 1>strong undercurrent of faith. Just outside the town limits, on

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<v Speaker 1>a two lane stretch of Osborne Road sits the Olive

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<v Speaker 1>Branch Church of the United Brethren in Christ. It's a

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<v Speaker 1>modest and unassuming building with a simple white steeple. It's

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<v Speaker 1>one of those churches that looks more like a family

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<v Speaker 1>home than a place of worship. The congregation here is small,

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<v Speaker 1>just a handful of families from around the country who

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<v Speaker 1>gather each Sunday for prayers, hymns, and fellowship inside the

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<v Speaker 1>pew's creek with age. The carpets are faded and the

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<v Speaker 1>walls are lined with framed scripture and children's drawings. It

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<v Speaker 1>isn't a grand church, but for those who attended, it

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<v Speaker 1>was sacred and it was familiar. One morning in nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>eighty nine, the congregation gathered like they did every Sunday.

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<v Speaker 1>They parked their cars in the gravel lot, filtered into

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<v Speaker 1>the church and settled into their seats. But it's the

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<v Speaker 1>minutes ticked by. Something felt off. The service was supposed

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<v Speaker 1>to begin at nine a m. There was no sign

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<v Speaker 1>of the pastor. Robert Pelly had found his calling at

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<v Speaker 1>the Olive Branch Church of the United Brethren in Christ.

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<v Speaker 1>He was the preacher, and from any in the small

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<v Speaker 1>rural congregation, he wasn't just their spiritual guide. Robert was

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<v Speaker 1>more than that. He was their friend, their confidante, and

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<v Speaker 1>their neighbor. Robert was a father, a husband, and a

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<v Speaker 1>man who believed in faith, forgiveness, and the occasional well

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<v Speaker 1>timed prank. He had a unique way of delivering his sermons.

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<v Speaker 1>One Sunday morning, he strole into church wearing his normal clothing.

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<v Speaker 1>He slouched into the front pew and casually flipped open

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<v Speaker 1>a newspaper. His wife, Dawn, crossed the sanctuary, gave his

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<v Speaker 1>shoulder a gentle tap, and said it's time to start

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<v Speaker 1>the service. Laughter rippled through the peuce. It was Robert's

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<v Speaker 1>light hearted way of reminding the congregation, come ready, come prepared,

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<v Speaker 1>come with purpose. Because to Robert, faith wasn't just to

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<v Speaker 1>be practiced on Sundays. It was something you lived every day.

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<v Speaker 1>Robert was said to be a man of quiet discipline,

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<v Speaker 1>somebody who was interested in judo and boxing. He was

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<v Speaker 1>even taking courses at two church colleges. He was energetic,

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<v Speaker 1>driven and passionate. But above all else, Robert Pelley was

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<v Speaker 1>a father. He and his wife Down had been married

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<v Speaker 1>for five years. Both had suffered losses before they found

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<v Speaker 1>each other. Robert had lost his first wife and don

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<v Speaker 1>had lost her husband. Together they brought their families into

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<v Speaker 1>one roof. Robert had two children, seventeen year old Jeff

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<v Speaker 1>and fourteen year old Jackie. Dawn brought three daughters from

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<v Speaker 1>her first marriage, ten year old Jessica, eight year old Janelle,

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<v Speaker 1>and six year old Juline. They had once lived in Florida,

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<v Speaker 1>and that's where Robert and Dawn met, but they had

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<v Speaker 1>created sunshine and palm trees for the Indiana cornfields and

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<v Speaker 1>church life. They lived in the modest home next door

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<v Speaker 1>to the small church. The blend Of family lived a

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<v Speaker 1>simple life with purpose and routine, and Saturday, the twenty

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<v Speaker 1>ninth of April nineteen eighty nine started out like any

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<v Speaker 1>other day. Jeff Pelly was getting ready for one of

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<v Speaker 1>the biggest nights of his life, the Laville High School Prom.

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<v Speaker 1>Jeff had been looking forward to it for months. His

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<v Speaker 1>white tuxedo was pressed and the plans were set. He

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<v Speaker 1>was going to pick up his day at Darla Emmons,

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<v Speaker 1>and then they were going to meet friends for dinner

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<v Speaker 1>in South Bend. Then it was the prom, and afterwards

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<v Speaker 1>they were going to drive to Great America, a theme

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<v Speaker 1>park just outside of Chicago. For a seventeen year old,

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<v Speaker 1>it was the dream plan, freedom, friends, and the first

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<v Speaker 1>haste of independence, and Jeff, who sometimes came across as withdrawn,

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<v Speaker 1>was genuinely excited. His sister, Jackie wasn't home that weekend.

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<v Speaker 1>She was away. We had a church camp posted by

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<v Speaker 1>Huntington College. Jessica was staying with relatives visiting from Kentucky.

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<v Speaker 1>That left just four people in the home, Robert, Dawn, Janelle,

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<v Speaker 1>and little Jolne. That house must have felt unusually quiet

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<v Speaker 1>first Saturday night, but nobody expected that by Sunday it

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<v Speaker 1>would be silent. Sunday morning at the Olive Branch of

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<v Speaker 1>the United Brethren began like any other. The congregation trickled

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<v Speaker 1>in through the white double doors, grating each other with

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<v Speaker 1>warm smiles and familiar nods. Usually by this time Pastor

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<v Speaker 1>Robert Pelley would have been there slaves rolled up, arranging

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<v Speaker 1>hymn books and checking the sound system. That was just

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<v Speaker 1>who Robert was. He was reliable, dedicated, and present. But

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<v Speaker 1>on this morning he wasn't. At first, nobody panicked, maybe

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<v Speaker 1>Robert with staging one of his practical object lessons again,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe something about being spiritually laid or caught up unprepared

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<v Speaker 1>for the second Coming. It wouldn't have been the first

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<v Speaker 1>time he made a point through surprise. But as nine

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<v Speaker 1>a m. Became nine fifteen and then nine thirty, the

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<v Speaker 1>mood in the sanctuary began to shift. The usual laughter

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<v Speaker 1>and chatter gave way to confusion and concern. Don wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>there either, nor were the girls. Still. The congregation pressed forward.

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<v Speaker 1>They sang hymns, read scripture. A member of the church

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<v Speaker 1>stepped into lead what they could of the service, but

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<v Speaker 1>something unspoken was growing heavy in the room. Dan Richard,

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<v Speaker 1>a longtime member of the church, would later say, we

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<v Speaker 1>knew something wasn't quite right. Church trustee David Hathaway volunteered

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<v Speaker 1>to go next door just to check on the Pelly family.

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<v Speaker 1>It wasn't far the parsonage. The family's home sat just

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<v Speaker 1>beside the church, nestled behind a row of hedges. David

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<v Speaker 1>walked up the short front path and knocked. There was

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<v Speaker 1>no answer. He knocked again, louder this time, but there

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<v Speaker 1>was nothing. The curtains were drawn tight, something that was

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<v Speaker 1>unusual for a Sunday morning. Robert usually had the front

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<v Speaker 1>windows open, letting in the spring sunlight. David tried peering

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<v Speaker 1>through the glass, but the interior was dark as when

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<v Speaker 1>a quiet sense of dread settled in his gut. He

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<v Speaker 1>walked back to the church and contacted Lydia May easter Day,

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<v Speaker 1>an elderly woman who kept a sparecat of the parsonage.

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<v Speaker 1>Moments later, with the key in hand, David returned and

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<v Speaker 1>slid it into the lock. He turned the handle and

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<v Speaker 1>craaked the door open. Robert, he called out softly, just

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<v Speaker 1>in case the family had simply overslept. There was no answer.

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<v Speaker 1>He stepped inside. Immediately he saw blood. There was a

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<v Speaker 1>thick pull of it stretching down the narrow hallway towards

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<v Speaker 1>the master bedroom, and there in the middle of it

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<v Speaker 1>all lay Robert Pelly. His chest was obliterated by a

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<v Speaker 1>shotgun blast. His face had been blown open by a

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<v Speaker 1>second David, who was a World War Two veteran, would

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<v Speaker 1>later say that what he saw in that hallway was

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<v Speaker 1>worse than anything he had ever experienced in combat, but

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<v Speaker 1>he didn't stop. There were children in that house. He

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<v Speaker 1>followed the trail of blood into the kitchen, where he

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<v Speaker 1>noticed a flight of stairs leading down to the basement.

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<v Speaker 1>This was the family's recreation room, where the girls play

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<v Speaker 1>and where Dawn kept their toys. There was another splash

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<v Speaker 1>of red on the wall. David descended carefully, and then

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<v Speaker 1>at the bottom of the stairs he saw them. Don

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<v Speaker 1>Pelly lay on the floor, lifeless, her arms wrapped protectively

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<v Speaker 1>around six year old Jolene. Joline, who was crouched slightly

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<v Speaker 1>behind her mother, had clearly tried to hide her small

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<v Speaker 1>hands lifted in a futile attempt to shield herself. Portions

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<v Speaker 1>of her fingers were missing. It had been blasted away

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<v Speaker 1>by the force of the shotgun. Nearby was eight year

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<v Speaker 1>old Janelle. She was slumped on the carpet beside them,

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<v Speaker 1>curled inward, and shot at close range. All three were gone.

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<v Speaker 1>They had huddled together in their final moments. Forensics would

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<v Speaker 1>later describe that Robert was killed first with one blast

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<v Speaker 1>to the chest and another to the face. Don must

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<v Speaker 1>have heard it, grabbed her daughters and ran, but the

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<v Speaker 1>killer followed. A shot was fired from the top of

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<v Speaker 1>the basement stairs, aiming down into the room as the

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<v Speaker 1>family fled, Then more shots, one after the other, first

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<v Speaker 1>on then Janelle, then Juline. None of them stood a chance.

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<v Speaker 1>The news of the murders spread throughout Lakefield like wildfire.

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<v Speaker 1>By Sunday afternoon, fear had gripped the small farming town

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<v Speaker 1>like a vice. Four members of a beloved family had

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<v Speaker 1>been gunned down in their own home, and the killer

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<v Speaker 1>was still out there somewhere. Dan Richard, a member of

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<v Speaker 1>the church, said the whole county shook. People don't know

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<v Speaker 1>whether to stay at home alone or in groups like

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<v Speaker 1>There wasn't the kind of place where things like this happened.

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<v Speaker 1>It was the kind of place where people left their

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<v Speaker 1>keys in their car, where neighbors brought over extra tomatrows

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<v Speaker 1>from the garden, where families prayed together, and doors were

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<v Speaker 1>left unlocked at night. But all of that changed on

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<v Speaker 1>April thirtieth, nineteen eighty nine. Inside the house next to

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<v Speaker 1>the church. The unthinkable had happened, and for a brief moment,

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<v Speaker 1>there was something that almost resembled relief. Three of the children, Jeff, Jackie,

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<v Speaker 1>and Jessica had survived, by pure luck. None of them

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<v Speaker 1>have been home that night. Jackie had been at church camp,

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<v Speaker 1>Jessco was staying with relatives, and Jeff had been oursway

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<v Speaker 1>celebrating his prom weekend at Great America Amusement Park. But

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<v Speaker 1>that relief was quickly swallowed by the cruel reality they'd

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<v Speaker 1>be returning to no parents, no younger sisters. Detectives not

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<v Speaker 1>had the awful task of tracking the surviving children down

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<v Speaker 1>and telling them what had happened. The day after the

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<v Speaker 1>murder's reporters gathered outside the modest brick parsonage. Telephoto lenses

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<v Speaker 1>peeked over, police tap note books in hand. They waited

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<v Speaker 1>for any glimpse, any detail. Then they saw Jeff. He'd

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<v Speaker 1>been allowed to briefly enter the home to retrieve some

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<v Speaker 1>of his belongings. He declined to speak to the press. Instead,

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<v Speaker 1>he crossed the lawn and embraced grieving members of his

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<v Speaker 1>father's congregation. People who had sung beside him, prayed beside him,

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<v Speaker 1>now they stood there, stunned and heartbroken, just steps away

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<v Speaker 1>from where the crime had unfolded. Sergeant Charles Ferrell addressed

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<v Speaker 1>the reporters and said the family doesn't want anybody to

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<v Speaker 1>talk with them. Among the mourners was Richard Thorpe, the

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<v Speaker 1>former pastor of the church. He stated, you have a

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<v Speaker 1>bond here that a lot of times you don't find

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<v Speaker 1>in a bigger church, and that bond, that sense of trust,

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<v Speaker 1>was now cracked open. People changed their habits overnight. Brian Callaghan,

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<v Speaker 1>a local father, summed up the mood and said, my

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<v Speaker 1>wife and I make sure the doors are locked now,

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<v Speaker 1>and a shock settled in to fear. The investigation began.

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<v Speaker 1>Detectives from Saint Joseph County canvassed the home, documenting the scene.

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<v Speaker 1>There were no signs of forced entry, no shattered glass,

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<v Speaker 1>no kicked in door, no valuables missing. This wasn't a robbery,

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<v Speaker 1>and it wasn't a murdered suicide. It appeared to be personal.

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<v Speaker 1>The killer had used a shotgun, most likely a twelve

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<v Speaker 1>or sixteen gage, but the question as to why lingered.

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<v Speaker 1>Detectives began interviewing friends, neighbors, church members, anybody who had

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<v Speaker 1>known the Pelly family. They learned that Robert had kept

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<v Speaker 1>a shotgun at home, but it was now missing. Whether

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<v Speaker 1>it had been the murder weapon or taken afterwards, they

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<v Speaker 1>weren't entirely sure. Search efforts intensified. Horses and search dogs

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<v Speaker 1>were deployed across the fields and woods that boarded the property.

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<v Speaker 1>A dive team was sent to a nearby pond north

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<v Speaker 1>of the home. It was deep, almost fifty feet and murky,

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<v Speaker 1>a nightmare for the detectives. Sergeant Ferrell explained, it's going

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<v Speaker 1>to be a difficult task because not only is the

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<v Speaker 1>pond inaccessible, it's also fifty feet deep. Despite the effort,

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<v Speaker 1>no weapon was found. Meanwhile, autopsies confirmed what detectives already suspected.

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<v Speaker 1>All four victims had died from close range shotgun wounds

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<v Speaker 1>to the head. The pathologists couldn't arrow down a time

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<v Speaker 1>frame other than that they had died sometime between ten

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<v Speaker 1>a m. On Saturday and ten a m. On Sunday.

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<v Speaker 1>On May the fourth, the community gathered one final time

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<v Speaker 1>to worship God. He spoke of Robert's tireless efforts to

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<v Speaker 1>to South Lawn Cemetery. The bishop's final words lingered in

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<v Speaker 1>the air. We commit their bodies to the grave and

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<v Speaker 1>their spirits to God who gave them. A photographer from

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<v Speaker 1>the South Bend Tribune captured a striking image Jeff Pelly

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<v Speaker 1>had bowed, being embraced by his teenage friends as tears

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<v Speaker 1>streamed down his cheeks. Grief had come to Lakeville, and

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<v Speaker 1>it had settled in for the the long haul. In

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<v Speaker 1>Jessica was taken in by her maternal grandfather, in eating rapids,

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<v Speaker 1>in that same sanctuary, the one where Robert had once

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<v Speaker 1>delivered sermons with energy and heart. Now his absence filled

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<v Speaker 1>morning and said, the one thing that weighs heavy on

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<v Speaker 1>my heart is we don't know who did this. We

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<v Speaker 1>most important things that Jesus taught was don't hate. Pray

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<v Speaker 1>that we might love and care for whoever that person is.

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<v Speaker 1>And that prayer would soon be tested in the most

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<v Speaker 1>painful way a man, because behind the scenes, detectives were

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<v Speaker 1>narrowing their focus and they were beginning to suspect that

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<v Speaker 1>the person responsible wasn't some stranger from the woods. It

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't a drifter or a madman, or a robber gone wrong.

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<v Speaker 1>It was somebody much closer, someone the Pellies had loved.

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<v Speaker 1>And it would take thirteen years for that suspicion to

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<v Speaker 1>turn into an arrest. As the crime scene was being progressed,

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<v Speaker 1>curtains were all drawn, the doors were locked, nothing had

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<v Speaker 1>Detective Mark Senter, one of the first on the scene leaders,

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<v Speaker 1>said it didn't look like a burglary. It didn't look

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<v Speaker 1>worst of the worst that morning, but we had a

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<v Speaker 1>job to do, so immediately started talking about suspects. One

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<v Speaker 1>cloth stood out. The shotgun that was usually stored in

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<v Speaker 1>Robert Pelly's gun rack was gone. Then there was blood

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<v Speaker 1>in the bathroom, suggesting the killer cleaned themselves before leaving

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<v Speaker 1>this scene. Detectives also said that Robert's body was found

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<v Speaker 1>facing away from the hallway, near the bedroom door. It

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<v Speaker 1>looked like the killer had come out of that room.

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<v Speaker 1>That's when a name floated to the surface, a name

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<v Speaker 1>that was already familiar to Detective Centur Jeff Pelly. By

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<v Speaker 1>all accounts, Jeff was smart, exceptionally smart. He'd graduated early

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<v Speaker 1>and was known for his skill with computers, but lately

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<v Speaker 1>he had been heading down the wrong path. Just weeks

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<v Speaker 1>before the murders, he'd been caught stealing CDs in money

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<v Speaker 1>from a neighbor's home. Detectives had spoken with Robert about it,

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<v Speaker 1>and he had been furious. As a punishment, Robert had

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<v Speaker 1>grounded his son and placed strict limitations on his prom weekend.

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<v Speaker 1>Jeff could go to the prom itself, but he wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>allowed to attend the dinner with friends, he wasn't allowed

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<v Speaker 1>to drive himself, and he definitely wasn't allowed to head

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<v Speaker 1>to the after party at Great America Detective Center recalled.

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<v Speaker 1>He could not go to the prom without his dad

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<v Speaker 1>taking him. He couldn't go to the dinner before the prom,

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<v Speaker 1>he couldn't go to the after prom. But somehow Jeff

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<v Speaker 1>did go to all of it, and the timing of

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<v Speaker 1>the murders and the prom stuck detectives as more than

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<v Speaker 1>just a coincidence. The night of the prom, Jeff's friends

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<v Speaker 1>were surprised when he suddenly said he'd be joining them.

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<v Speaker 1>After all, they all knew he was grinded. His dad

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<v Speaker 1>had made that crystal clear. But Jeff showed up, albeit late,

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<v Speaker 1>to the pre prompt dinner at the East Bank emporium.

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<v Speaker 1>He seemed calm, normal, even called his day a Darla

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<v Speaker 1>a round five twenty pm to let her know that

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<v Speaker 1>he was running late. That timing was important. I just

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<v Speaker 1>believe that Jeff had killed his family sometime that afternoon,

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<v Speaker 1>cleaned himself up, and then picked up Darla like nothing

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<v Speaker 1>had happened. When police interviewed his friends in Darla, nobody

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<v Speaker 1>mentioned anything odd in his behavior that night. There were

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<v Speaker 1>no signs of agitation, no panic, no blood. But one

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<v Speaker 1>Just to visit tovik dot app slash morbidology Just relationship

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<v Speaker 1>with his father been easy. It was strained sometimes explosive.

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<v Speaker 1>Some friends said that Jeff hated his father. Others said

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<v Speaker 1>he was deeply jealous of his stepmother and stepsisters, Dawn

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<v Speaker 1>and the girls, they said got all the attention. Jeff

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<v Speaker 1>felt like an outsider in his own home. He was

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<v Speaker 1>still grieving the loss of his mother, Joy, who had

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<v Speaker 1>died of cancer just a year before Robert remarried. One friend,

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<v Speaker 1>Mark Berger, said Jeff missed his mum. She was his

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<v Speaker 1>best friend. Even Robert had confided in friends about the tension.

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<v Speaker 1>He once told someone that he was half scared of

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<v Speaker 1>what Jeff might do if he wasn't allowed to go

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<v Speaker 1>to the prom. Dnteu had expressed fear, telling a friend

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<v Speaker 1>she was really afraid of her step son. And then

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<v Speaker 1>there was the funeral. Carol Jensen, a close family friend,

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<v Speaker 1>remembered seeing Jeff sitting among the mourners. She said, there

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<v Speaker 1>was Jeff sitting there with his big blue eyes, just glaring,

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<v Speaker 1>pierced eyes. I thought it had to be shocked. The

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<v Speaker 1>just sat there staring. I'll never forget those eyes. After

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<v Speaker 2>I guess what we want to talk to you about

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<v Speaker 2>is when was the last time.

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<v Speaker 3>You were home?

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<v Speaker 2>At about.

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<v Speaker 3>Quarter till five Saturday afternoon, Saturday evening?

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<v Speaker 2>Of everybody who's still home when you left? Right? Was

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<v Speaker 2>everybody there?

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<v Speaker 3>Dad and Don and Janelle and Jolane were there, Jessica

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<v Speaker 3>was at a friend's house, and Jackie was in Huntington.

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<v Speaker 2>When you were a great American that detective or police

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<v Speaker 2>officer at their head, you and the room and towards

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<v Speaker 2>your parents had been murdered. What was your reaction to that?

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<v Speaker 3>I was shocked, started crying. I mean, it's it's stunned me.

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<v Speaker 3>I didn't know how it could happen. I don't know

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<v Speaker 2>Was there anybody in that family you really didn't get

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<v Speaker 3>We didn't get along real well. I mean we talked

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<v Speaker 3>each other or anything. I mean I didn't I didn't

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<v Speaker 3>hate her anything, but we just we we tolerated each other.

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<v Speaker 2>And how about your stepsisters?

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<v Speaker 3>Which ones? Uh, all three of 'em? What about 'em?

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<v Speaker 2>Did you get along with them?

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<v Speaker 2>Your dad getting any arguments? Uh? Saturday?

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<v Speaker 3>No, we had a real good day Saturday. We got

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<v Speaker 2>What do you mean you?

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<v Speaker 3>You and your dad had a real good day Saturday.

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<v Speaker 3>We didn't argue at all. It w he was really

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<v Speaker 3>job of shaping up and everything.

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<v Speaker 1>Detective John Budrick asked him point blank.

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<v Speaker 2>So you who killed your mother or father or your father?

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<v Speaker 3>And no, I really don't. I don't know who would

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<v Speaker 1>Then came the harder question, did you have anything to.

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<v Speaker 3>No? I didn't. Me and my father didn't get alot.

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<v Speaker 3>Sometimes sometimes I'd be really upset with him, but we

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<v Speaker 1>But detectives weren't convinced. They called Jeff and a lie

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<v Speaker 1>about a gas station he said he visited, he'd actually

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<v Speaker 1>gone to a different one. When pressed, Jeff grew anxious,

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<v Speaker 1>He fidgeted, and then out of nowhere, he asked, if

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<v Speaker 1>I went to jail, would I get the electric chair.

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<v Speaker 1>It was a chilling question, but chilling wasn't enough. Detectives

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<v Speaker 1>needed hard evidence. They had blood, but not Jeff's. They

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<v Speaker 1>had a timeline, but no weapon. They sent everything to

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<v Speaker 1>the FBI, but when the results came back, nothing could

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<v Speaker 1>tie Jeff to the murders. He remained a free man,

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<v Speaker 1>but he was never free of suspicion. Over the next decade,

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<v Speaker 1>detectives tried everything. They ran a Crime of the Week segments,

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<v Speaker 1>They canvassed the public for tips. They begged for somebody

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<v Speaker 1>to come forward. In nineteen ninety two, the Pelly family

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<v Speaker 1>placed a reward notice in the South Bend Tribune. It read,

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<v Speaker 1>if you have no information, please pray for the family

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<v Speaker 1>members remaining. We still hurt. The case had gone cold,

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<v Speaker 1>but detectives hadn't given up because steep down they still

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<v Speaker 1>believed they knew who pulled that trigger. By nineteen ninety four,

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<v Speaker 1>five years after the brutal murders of the Pelly family,

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<v Speaker 1>Jeff was living a completely different life. He had moved

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<v Speaker 1>to Coral Gables in Florida. He was married to a

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<v Speaker 1>woman named Kimberly Ann singularly, and though he'd bully attended

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<v Speaker 1>Manchester College, he had dropped out whatever future he had

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<v Speaker 1>once imagined, and Indiana was gone. But trouble, it seemed,

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<v Speaker 1>had followed Jeff south. In February of that year, he

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<v Speaker 1>was arrested not for murder, but for wire fraud. Detectives

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<v Speaker 1>had learned that he had tried to gain early access

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<v Speaker 1>to a trust fund that was set up in his

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<v Speaker 1>name by his father and stepmother. It was a trust

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<v Speaker 1>worth nearly forty eight thousand dollars. It was meant to

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<v Speaker 1>help with his education in basic welfare. He could receive

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<v Speaker 1>half of it at twenty three or earlier if he

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<v Speaker 1>graduated from college. The rest would be released when he

418
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<v Speaker 1>turned twenty six. But in July of ninety ninety one,

419
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<v Speaker 1>Jeff had tried to cheat the system. He called his

420
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<v Speaker 1>step grandfather, Edward Hayes, the trustee of the fund, and

421
00:26:47.839 --> 00:26:52.480
<v Speaker 1>told him he had undergone surgery from malignant melanoma. Jeff

422
00:26:52.519 --> 00:26:57.039
<v Speaker 1>sent over medical documents, hospital bills, and canceled checks. It

423
00:26:57.079 --> 00:27:00.759
<v Speaker 1>was almost thirty thousand dollars worth of paperwork, but it

424
00:27:00.799 --> 00:27:03.759
<v Speaker 1>was all fake. To sell the lie. Jeff had even

425
00:27:03.759 --> 00:27:05.920
<v Speaker 1>set up a phony fum line, pretending that it was

426
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<v Speaker 1>the hospital, But when Edward tried to verify the story

427
00:27:09.440 --> 00:27:12.640
<v Speaker 1>by calling the hospital directly, he learned the entire thing

428
00:27:12.720 --> 00:27:16.039
<v Speaker 1>had been fabricated. Jeff was arrested in charge with two

429
00:27:16.119 --> 00:27:20.000
<v Speaker 1>counts of wire fraud. When asked about it later, Edward

430
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<v Speaker 1>Hayes admitted, Jeff hadn't given me any trouble, but I

431
00:27:23.680 --> 00:27:26.720
<v Speaker 1>wasn't surprised this happened. In fact, I would have been

432
00:27:26.720 --> 00:27:30.400
<v Speaker 1>surprised if he hadn't tried it. Jeff was released on

433
00:27:30.440 --> 00:27:33.960
<v Speaker 1>a fifty thousand dollars bond, but the arrest had opened

434
00:27:34.000 --> 00:27:38.279
<v Speaker 1>a door, and detectives seized the opportunity. For the first time,

435
00:27:38.359 --> 00:27:41.519
<v Speaker 1>detectives publicly named Jeff Pelly as the prime suspect in

436
00:27:41.559 --> 00:27:46.599
<v Speaker 1>the murder of his family. Prosecutor Michael Barne stated, we

437
00:27:46.720 --> 00:27:49.519
<v Speaker 1>need more evidence to have a reasonable probability of conviction

438
00:27:49.640 --> 00:27:53.160
<v Speaker 1>before we can seek charges. He flew to Florida to

439
00:27:53.240 --> 00:27:57.799
<v Speaker 1>question Jeff in person, but Jeff refused to speak. And

440
00:27:57.880 --> 00:28:01.559
<v Speaker 1>yet he wasn't the only one under scrutiny. Back in Indiana,

441
00:28:01.680 --> 00:28:06.519
<v Speaker 1>suspicion still simmered. Herbert Christie, a trusty at the family's church,

442
00:28:06.599 --> 00:28:10.240
<v Speaker 1>said bluntly, I still think he did it the way

443
00:28:10.279 --> 00:28:14.079
<v Speaker 1>everything happened. If he didn't do it, he had somebody

444
00:28:14.119 --> 00:28:19.160
<v Speaker 1>set it up. But life for Jeff just continued. He

445
00:28:19.279 --> 00:28:23.200
<v Speaker 1>served six months under house arrest for the fraud. In

446
00:28:23.319 --> 00:28:27.440
<v Speaker 1>nineteen ninety seven, he and Kimberly divorced. They remarried two

447
00:28:27.480 --> 00:28:30.759
<v Speaker 1>years later, had a son, and eventually settled in Torpen

448
00:28:30.880 --> 00:28:35.559
<v Speaker 1>Springs and Florida. Jeff started a computer consulting business from

449
00:28:35.559 --> 00:28:39.880
<v Speaker 1>his home. It was a success. He became a respected

450
00:28:39.920 --> 00:28:43.359
<v Speaker 1>international IT tea consultant, and from the outside he was

451
00:28:43.440 --> 00:28:47.440
<v Speaker 1>living a picture perfect life. But back in South Bend,

452
00:28:47.519 --> 00:28:51.079
<v Speaker 1>detectives hadn't moved on, and in April of two thousand,

453
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<v Speaker 1>the quadruple homicide case was officially reopened by prosecutor Chris Toth.

454
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<v Speaker 1>Two years later, they made their move. On the tenth

455
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<v Speaker 1>of August two thousand and two, Jeff Pelly was arrested

456
00:29:02.960 --> 00:29:07.359
<v Speaker 1>at Lax Airport in Los Angeles. He was returning from

457
00:29:07.359 --> 00:29:11.240
<v Speaker 1>a work trip to Australia. The arrest wasn't a result

458
00:29:11.319 --> 00:29:15.319
<v Speaker 1>of new evidence. There were no surprise confessions, no new

459
00:29:15.359 --> 00:29:21.319
<v Speaker 1>forensic breakthroughs. Prosecutors simply believed they finally had enough. Jeff's

460
00:29:21.319 --> 00:29:27.000
<v Speaker 1>family was notified immediately. His grandmother, Mary Armstrong, accused detectives

461
00:29:27.000 --> 00:29:31.880
<v Speaker 1>of having tunnel vision. His defense attorney, Alan Baum, was furious.

462
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<v Speaker 1>He stated, we have quite a lot to say about

463
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<v Speaker 1>what we believe is a very egregious violation of due

464
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<v Speaker 1>process and jewe trial by them waiting thirteen years to

465
00:29:41.599 --> 00:29:45.680
<v Speaker 1>charge him based on no new evidence whatsoever. Jeff was

466
00:29:45.720 --> 00:29:49.160
<v Speaker 1>extradited back to Indiana. He was booked into Saint Joseph

467
00:29:49.240 --> 00:29:52.279
<v Speaker 1>County Jail and formally charged with four counts of murder.

468
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<v Speaker 1>His attorney insisted that Jeff was innocent. He described him

469
00:29:57.319 --> 00:30:00.440
<v Speaker 1>as a bright, successful man living a stable and happy life.

470
00:30:01.440 --> 00:30:04.279
<v Speaker 1>He even argued that the arrest was politically motivated, a

471
00:30:04.359 --> 00:30:09.680
<v Speaker 1>calculated move to boost prosecutor's toth reelection campaign. The defense

472
00:30:09.720 --> 00:30:13.200
<v Speaker 1>even petitioned the court to assign a special prosecutor, but

473
00:30:13.359 --> 00:30:18.880
<v Speaker 1>Judge Roland Chambly denied the request. Then something unexpected happened.

474
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<v Speaker 1>A shotgun had been found discovered near Crumston Highway, a

475
00:30:23.079 --> 00:30:26.119
<v Speaker 1>wooded area roughly ten miles from the Pelly home. The

476
00:30:26.200 --> 00:30:28.839
<v Speaker 1>single shot weapon was found hidden inside a hollow of

477
00:30:28.839 --> 00:30:32.920
<v Speaker 1>a tree. Years earlier, back in nineteen eighty nine, Jeff

478
00:30:32.920 --> 00:30:35.599
<v Speaker 1>had reportedly told people at a party that he owned

479
00:30:35.599 --> 00:30:38.319
<v Speaker 1>a shotgun and that he had hidden it in a tree.

480
00:30:39.359 --> 00:30:43.720
<v Speaker 1>Detectives were intrigued. Prosecutors requested more time to test the weapon.

481
00:30:44.839 --> 00:30:48.440
<v Speaker 1>Jeff's attorney brushed off the discovery, stating, we have no

482
00:30:48.519 --> 00:30:51.079
<v Speaker 1>reason to believe it's in any way connected to the case.

483
00:30:52.079 --> 00:30:56.160
<v Speaker 1>The trial date was postponed again and again. In the end,

484
00:30:56.200 --> 00:31:00.799
<v Speaker 1>no evidence connected Jeff or the family did the faun shotgun? Then,

485
00:31:00.799 --> 00:31:03.119
<v Speaker 1>on the twenty ninth of May two thousand and three,

486
00:31:03.240 --> 00:31:07.480
<v Speaker 1>Jeff was released from jalong bond. The delay had triggered

487
00:31:07.519 --> 00:31:11.200
<v Speaker 1>Indiana criminal rule for a provision that allows defendants to

488
00:31:11.240 --> 00:31:13.079
<v Speaker 1>be fraid if they are not brought to trial within

489
00:31:13.160 --> 00:31:17.039
<v Speaker 1>six months. Jeff had waited thirteen years for an arrest.

490
00:31:17.880 --> 00:31:20.759
<v Speaker 1>Now the justice system would wait even longer for a verdict.

491
00:31:21.680 --> 00:31:23.640
<v Speaker 1>But soon a jury would be asked to answer the

492
00:31:23.720 --> 00:31:26.599
<v Speaker 1>question that had haunted South Bend since prom Night nineteen

493
00:31:26.640 --> 00:31:31.000
<v Speaker 1>eighty nine. Did Jeff Pelly murder his family and cover

494
00:31:31.079 --> 00:31:33.519
<v Speaker 1>it up with a rented tuxedo and a high schooled

495
00:31:33.599 --> 00:31:38.599
<v Speaker 1>dance or had police built a case on nothing but suspicion, timing,

496
00:31:39.079 --> 00:31:54.960
<v Speaker 1>and the tragedy of a broken home. It had taken

497
00:31:55.000 --> 00:31:58.480
<v Speaker 1>seventeen years to bring Jeff Pelly to trial. By the

498
00:31:58.480 --> 00:32:01.039
<v Speaker 1>time jury selection wrapped on the eleventh of July two

499
00:32:01.079 --> 00:32:05.880
<v Speaker 1>thousand and six, public opinion was sharply divided. Some believed

500
00:32:05.880 --> 00:32:09.240
<v Speaker 1>that it was justice long overdue. Others saw it as

501
00:32:09.279 --> 00:32:12.559
<v Speaker 1>a desperate, politically motivated attempt to close a cold case

502
00:32:12.759 --> 00:32:17.039
<v Speaker 1>without real evidence. Twelve jurors were chosen, seven men and

503
00:32:17.160 --> 00:32:20.799
<v Speaker 1>five women. Their task would be to decide whether Jeff

504
00:32:20.839 --> 00:32:23.880
<v Speaker 1>Pelly was a grieving son or a cold blooded killer

505
00:32:23.920 --> 00:32:27.200
<v Speaker 1>who went to prom with blood on his hands. In

506
00:32:27.240 --> 00:32:30.759
<v Speaker 1>his opening statement, prosecutor Frank Shaeffer laid out the case.

507
00:32:31.960 --> 00:32:34.359
<v Speaker 1>He said there was a narrow twenty minute window in

508
00:32:34.400 --> 00:32:37.759
<v Speaker 1>which Jeff carried out the murders and off time. He

509
00:32:37.880 --> 00:32:40.839
<v Speaker 1>argued for Jeff to shoot four members of his family

510
00:32:40.920 --> 00:32:44.880
<v Speaker 1>with shotgun, shower, wash his clothing, and leave the house

511
00:32:44.920 --> 00:32:48.279
<v Speaker 1>to pick up his prom death. According to Schaeffer, the

512
00:32:48.319 --> 00:32:51.880
<v Speaker 1>timeline looked like this. At four forty pm, a friend

513
00:32:51.920 --> 00:32:55.720
<v Speaker 1>named Matt Miller stopped by the Pelly house. Everyone was

514
00:32:55.720 --> 00:32:59.759
<v Speaker 1>still alive. By five twenty pm, Jeff had arrived at

515
00:32:59.759 --> 00:33:03.519
<v Speaker 1>his it's home. At five thirty pm, Robert and Don

516
00:33:03.599 --> 00:33:06.559
<v Speaker 1>Pelly were expected at a friend's house, but they never showed.

517
00:33:07.359 --> 00:33:10.799
<v Speaker 1>At five point forty five pm, Crystal Easter Day, Rutherford

518
00:33:10.839 --> 00:33:13.720
<v Speaker 1>went to check on them. The house was locked, the

519
00:33:13.759 --> 00:33:18.759
<v Speaker 1>curtains drawn, the prosecution's case hinged on that narrow time frame,

520
00:33:19.720 --> 00:33:22.559
<v Speaker 1>but the defense had their own theory, one that painted

521
00:33:22.559 --> 00:33:27.359
<v Speaker 1>the entire investigation as flawed from the very start. Defense

522
00:33:27.400 --> 00:33:30.240
<v Speaker 1>attorney Alan Baum told the court the police had tunnel

523
00:33:30.279 --> 00:33:34.160
<v Speaker 1>vision from day one. The Pelly home, he said, had

524
00:33:34.200 --> 00:33:39.200
<v Speaker 1>never been dusted for fingerprints. That wasn't speculation that came

525
00:33:39.200 --> 00:33:44.359
<v Speaker 1>from the testimony of Sergeant John Pavlovic. Under questioning, he

526
00:33:44.400 --> 00:33:47.640
<v Speaker 1>admitted that they had skipped finger printing because the crime

527
00:33:47.680 --> 00:33:50.880
<v Speaker 1>scene was too bloody, because they already believed that Jeff

528
00:33:50.960 --> 00:33:55.319
<v Speaker 1>was the killer. The defense attorney asked him directly, so,

529
00:33:55.440 --> 00:33:59.079
<v Speaker 1>on April thirty, nineteen eighty nine, one day after the murders,

530
00:33:59.400 --> 00:34:02.039
<v Speaker 1>you'd already made up your mind that Jeff Pelly did it.

531
00:34:03.400 --> 00:34:06.359
<v Speaker 1>The sergeant didn't deny it. He said there had been

532
00:34:06.359 --> 00:34:10.079
<v Speaker 1>no sign of forced entry. The only person on accounted

533
00:34:10.119 --> 00:34:14.320
<v Speaker 1>for was Jeff, But when asked whether then investigated any

534
00:34:14.320 --> 00:34:19.400
<v Speaker 1>other possible suspects, the sergeant replied, simply, I don't know.

535
00:34:20.639 --> 00:34:25.360
<v Speaker 1>Other lapses then came to light. Officer Jerry Retowski testified

536
00:34:25.360 --> 00:34:28.119
<v Speaker 1>that after Jeff's car was impointed at the theme park,

537
00:34:28.559 --> 00:34:32.159
<v Speaker 1>it was never actually tested for sockgun residue. It was

538
00:34:32.239 --> 00:34:36.400
<v Speaker 1>never swabbed for blood. Then came the crime scene photographs.

539
00:34:37.280 --> 00:34:39.440
<v Speaker 1>On the first day of testimony, jurors were shown the

540
00:34:39.440 --> 00:34:43.760
<v Speaker 1>gruesome images taken inside the Pelly home. Geoff broke down,

541
00:34:44.039 --> 00:34:47.840
<v Speaker 1>letting out a Lloyd's sob in court, His attorney Leader

542
00:34:47.880 --> 00:34:49.760
<v Speaker 1>said that it was the first time Jeff had ever

543
00:34:49.800 --> 00:34:54.320
<v Speaker 1>seen the pictures. The prosecution argued that Jeff had motive.

544
00:34:55.199 --> 00:34:58.360
<v Speaker 1>Witnesses were called to describe the tension in the Pelly household,

545
00:34:58.880 --> 00:35:03.480
<v Speaker 1>especially in the days before Prom. Christina Holderman, a family friend,

546
00:35:03.480 --> 00:35:05.800
<v Speaker 1>told the jury about an argument she had witnessed on

547
00:35:05.880 --> 00:35:10.880
<v Speaker 1>Prom day. Jeoff had been washing his car. His father, Robert,

548
00:35:10.880 --> 00:35:13.719
<v Speaker 1>asked him why since he wasn't allowed to drive it.

549
00:35:15.079 --> 00:35:18.360
<v Speaker 1>Robert had reportedly told several people that Jeff was grounded.

550
00:35:19.119 --> 00:35:21.239
<v Speaker 1>He had planned to drive him to and from Prom,

551
00:35:21.360 --> 00:35:25.119
<v Speaker 1>and post Prom activities were off limits. The theory was

552
00:35:25.159 --> 00:35:27.719
<v Speaker 1>that Jeff had killed his family to reclaim control of

553
00:35:27.760 --> 00:35:32.760
<v Speaker 1>that night and his future. Jeff's former girlfriend testified next.

554
00:35:33.639 --> 00:35:36.639
<v Speaker 1>Darley described him as acting normal on Prom night, but

555
00:35:36.760 --> 00:35:40.679
<v Speaker 1>she remembered one thing that evening. Jeff said he had

556
00:35:40.719 --> 00:35:44.360
<v Speaker 1>a bad feeling. Ars Leater police arrived to deliver the

557
00:35:44.440 --> 00:35:48.679
<v Speaker 1>devastating news his family were dead. According to Darla, Jeff

558
00:35:48.719 --> 00:35:54.480
<v Speaker 1>seemed genuinely heartbroken, he was shocked, he wasn't himself. Two

559
00:35:54.519 --> 00:35:57.920
<v Speaker 1>of Jeff's friends also took to the witness stand. Both

560
00:35:57.960 --> 00:36:00.159
<v Speaker 1>of them said that after the murders, Jeff told them

561
00:36:00.239 --> 00:36:03.840
<v Speaker 1>he hadn't been involved. To one of them, Christina, he said,

562
00:36:04.480 --> 00:36:06.960
<v Speaker 1>if I knew who it was, I'd killed them myself.

563
00:36:08.280 --> 00:36:12.119
<v Speaker 1>But the timeline was still murky. Pathologist doctor Rick Hoover

564
00:36:12.239 --> 00:36:14.559
<v Speaker 1>told the jury that he couldn't pinpoint when exactly the

565
00:36:14.599 --> 00:36:18.119
<v Speaker 1>Pellies were killed. His best estimate was sometime between ten

566
00:36:18.159 --> 00:36:21.760
<v Speaker 1>a m. On Saturday and ten am on Sunday, a

567
00:36:21.840 --> 00:36:24.320
<v Speaker 1>twenty four hour window that did nothing to bolster the

568
00:36:24.360 --> 00:36:28.679
<v Speaker 1>prosecution's tight timeline. One of the final witnesses that week

569
00:36:29.039 --> 00:36:32.880
<v Speaker 1>was Jeff's stepsister, Jessica. She told the jury that she

570
00:36:32.920 --> 00:36:35.639
<v Speaker 1>had seen her father's shotgun in the house that Friday.

571
00:36:36.519 --> 00:36:39.840
<v Speaker 1>By Sunday, when the bodies were discovered, it was gone.

572
00:36:39.960 --> 00:36:42.719
<v Speaker 1>But the defense maintained there was no direct evidence linking

573
00:36:42.800 --> 00:36:46.719
<v Speaker 1>Jeff to the murders. There were no fingerprints, no eye witnesses,

574
00:36:46.760 --> 00:36:50.199
<v Speaker 1>no blood, no murder weapon, just an arrow window in

575
00:36:50.239 --> 00:36:52.880
<v Speaker 1>a motive of that, depending on who you asked, was

576
00:36:52.920 --> 00:37:08.639
<v Speaker 1>either ridiculous or chillingly plausible. The jury heard about various

577
00:37:08.639 --> 00:37:11.639
<v Speaker 1>pieces of evidence that had been recovered from the Pelly home,

578
00:37:12.440 --> 00:37:15.280
<v Speaker 1>but as each item was presented in court, it became

579
00:37:15.320 --> 00:37:19.599
<v Speaker 1>increasingly clear that nothing directly tied Jeff to the murders.

580
00:37:19.639 --> 00:37:22.119
<v Speaker 1>A bloody shirt had been discovered roughly two miles from

581
00:37:22.119 --> 00:37:26.199
<v Speaker 1>the crime scene, raising initial suspicion, but the blood couldn't

582
00:37:26.239 --> 00:37:30.119
<v Speaker 1>be linked to Jeff or any of the victims. Investigators

583
00:37:30.119 --> 00:37:33.840
<v Speaker 1>had also found clothing in the family's washing machine, a shirt,

584
00:37:33.920 --> 00:37:37.320
<v Speaker 1>a pair of blue jeans, and socks, which prosecutors claimed

585
00:37:37.360 --> 00:37:40.840
<v Speaker 1>Jeff had been wearing during the murders, but when these

586
00:37:40.840 --> 00:37:43.159
<v Speaker 1>items were tested, not a single trace of blood or

587
00:37:43.239 --> 00:37:48.599
<v Speaker 1>DNA evidence was discovered. Forensic teams went even further, testing

588
00:37:48.639 --> 00:37:52.559
<v Speaker 1>three washcloths, a sharp curtain, an additional clothing, pants, and

589
00:37:52.599 --> 00:37:56.000
<v Speaker 1>a shirt taking from Jeff's car. Still there was nothing,

590
00:37:56.440 --> 00:38:00.000
<v Speaker 1>no blood, nothing to definitively connect him to the viole

591
00:38:00.000 --> 00:38:04.280
<v Speaker 1>islands that unfolded inside the house. A crime scene technician

592
00:38:04.280 --> 00:38:07.400
<v Speaker 1>eventually testified that it would have been almost impossible for

593
00:38:07.480 --> 00:38:10.440
<v Speaker 1>somebody to walk away from such a brutal scene without

594
00:38:10.519 --> 00:38:14.760
<v Speaker 1>being contaminated by blood or brain matter. The absence of

595
00:38:14.760 --> 00:38:18.119
<v Speaker 1>any such evidence became a cornerstone in the defense's case.

596
00:38:18.880 --> 00:38:22.639
<v Speaker 1>They began to float a different possibility, entirely that someone

597
00:38:22.760 --> 00:38:26.559
<v Speaker 1>other than Jeff had committed the murders. They revealed a

598
00:38:26.639 --> 00:38:30.719
<v Speaker 1>curious lead. A million dollars had allegedly gone missing from

599
00:38:30.760 --> 00:38:34.159
<v Speaker 1>a bank where Robert Pelley had worked before relocating his

600
00:38:34.239 --> 00:38:38.599
<v Speaker 1>family from Florida to Indiana about a year after the murders.

601
00:38:38.679 --> 00:38:42.519
<v Speaker 1>Jeff's stepsister, Jackie told detectives that Robert had once been

602
00:38:42.519 --> 00:38:44.400
<v Speaker 1>summoned to the bank in the middle of the night

603
00:38:44.840 --> 00:38:48.400
<v Speaker 1>to look into the disappearance of those funds. It was

604
00:38:48.440 --> 00:38:51.719
<v Speaker 1>an ominous detail, one that hinted at the possibility of

605
00:38:51.880 --> 00:38:56.039
<v Speaker 1>enemies outside of the family unit. Adding to the intrigue

606
00:38:56.079 --> 00:38:59.159
<v Speaker 1>was a siding reported by a neighbor on the day

607
00:38:59.159 --> 00:39:00.800
<v Speaker 1>of the murders. Some but he had seen a white

608
00:39:00.800 --> 00:39:04.639
<v Speaker 1>limousine with Florida license plates parked in the area near

609
00:39:04.679 --> 00:39:09.000
<v Speaker 1>Osborne Road. It struck almost suspicious, though the car was

610
00:39:09.079 --> 00:39:12.199
<v Speaker 1>never traced and its relevance to the case was never confirmed.

611
00:39:13.360 --> 00:39:15.960
<v Speaker 1>Even the origin of the suspected murder weapon was called

612
00:39:16.000 --> 00:39:20.519
<v Speaker 1>into question. While Jeff's stepsister Jessica had testified she saw

613
00:39:20.559 --> 00:39:23.400
<v Speaker 1>their father's shotgun in the house the day before the murders,

614
00:39:23.960 --> 00:39:28.239
<v Speaker 1>Jackie contradicted that she recalled that a couple of months earlier,

615
00:39:28.400 --> 00:39:31.000
<v Speaker 1>Robert had gathered up all of the family's firearms to

616
00:39:31.000 --> 00:39:34.880
<v Speaker 1>give away to an unidentified man. Jeff too, said he

617
00:39:34.880 --> 00:39:37.800
<v Speaker 1>hadn't seen the shotgun for about three weeks before the murders.

618
00:39:39.039 --> 00:39:41.800
<v Speaker 1>Jessica also challenged the narrative that prom Night had been

619
00:39:41.840 --> 00:39:45.159
<v Speaker 1>a source of intense conflict between Jeff and his father.

620
00:39:46.239 --> 00:39:49.599
<v Speaker 1>According to her, Jeff hadn't been barred from going. Rather,

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<v Speaker 1>they had reached a compromise. He could attend, but his

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<v Speaker 1>punishment being grounded, would be extended. With these conflicting accounts

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<v Speaker 1>and weak forensic ties, the defense maintained that the case

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<v Speaker 1>against Jeff was built entirely on assumption and circumstantial timing.

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<v Speaker 1>After six days of testimony, the trial drew to a close.

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<v Speaker 1>During closing arguments, prosecutor Frank Schaeffer's eared in on what

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<v Speaker 1>he claimed was a twenty minute window, the only time

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<v Speaker 1>Jeff could have committed the murders. According to the prosecution,

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<v Speaker 1>Jeff used those twenty minutes to confront and kill his father, stepmother,

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<v Speaker 1>and two young stepsisters, Gather up the shotgun and any

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<v Speaker 1>spent shells, show off the evidence, throw his bloodied clothing

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<v Speaker 1>into the washing machine, and walk out the door wearing

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<v Speaker 1>his white tuxedo to attend prom like nothing had happened.

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<v Speaker 1>They argued that Jeff's reference to the electric chair during

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<v Speaker 1>an early police interview was as good as a confession,

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<v Speaker 1>but despite Schaeffer's confidence, the case had glaring weaknesses. There

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<v Speaker 1>was no murder weapon, no fingerprints, no bloody clothing, no

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<v Speaker 1>eye witnesses, just a theory and a very shoddy timeline.

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<v Speaker 1>Defense attorney Alan Baum took to the courtroom one final

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<v Speaker 1>time and passionately declared, He's not just not guilty, he's innocent,

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<v Speaker 1>and I know you know that. He suggested that there

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<v Speaker 1>had been not one shooder, but two. The presence of

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<v Speaker 1>shotgun wadding at the scene, he argued, supported the idea

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<v Speaker 1>of two different weapons, evidence of two killers working together.

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<v Speaker 1>He stated, and I'm not just saying that to cover

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<v Speaker 1>for Jeff Pelly. That's what the physical evidence and logic dictates.

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<v Speaker 1>The jury was sent out to deliberate, and the urs

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<v Speaker 1>ticked by twenty five of them in total before they

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<v Speaker 1>returned with their decision. The courtroom, filled with tension, slowly

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<v Speaker 1>filled back up. The verdict was announced guilty on all

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<v Speaker 1>four counts of murder. Outside the courthouse, a visibly shaken

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<v Speaker 1>Bomb addressed reporters and said, two weeks ago, I was

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<v Speaker 1>asked why I didn't ask for a change of venue

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<v Speaker 1>in this case, and I said it was because I

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<v Speaker 1>believe the people of Saint Joseph County would be fair

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<v Speaker 1>and judge the case on the facts. Now I'm sad

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<v Speaker 1>that I said that this is not fair, this is absurd,

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<v Speaker 1>there's no evidence. I'm speechless. The guilty verdict send shockwaves

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<v Speaker 1>through the courtroom, and perhaps nobody was more stunned than

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<v Speaker 1>Jeff's sister, Jackie. From the very beginning, she had stood

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<v Speaker 1>firmly by her brother. She was convinced of his innocence.

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<v Speaker 1>In the weeks that followed, Jackie launched a website Justicefjeff

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<v Speaker 1>dot org, where she began publishing documents, personal insights, and

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<v Speaker 1>overlooked details from the case. She claimed that much of

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<v Speaker 1>the evidence never made it into the courtroom, and she

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<v Speaker 1>believed that what had been left out told a different

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<v Speaker 1>story than the one the jury heard. Jackie wasn't alone

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<v Speaker 1>in her mission. She was joined by former detective Philip Hawley,

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<v Speaker 1>who brought his own startling revelation to the table. Another

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<v Speaker 1>man had reportedly confessed to the murders and provided details

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<v Speaker 1>about the crime scene that had never been made public.

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<v Speaker 1>This man was never publicly identified. According to Jackie, there

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<v Speaker 1>had been several other viable suspects, including former business associates

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<v Speaker 1>of their father, Robert. She claimed her dad had received

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<v Speaker 1>a death threat in the weeks leaning up to the murders,

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<v Speaker 1>and tied the threat to the alleged theft of one

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<v Speaker 1>million dollars from the Florida bank where he once worked.

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<v Speaker 1>That money, she said, was tied to the laundering of

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<v Speaker 1>foreign drug money. One of the most striking pieces of

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<v Speaker 1>counter evidence concerned Robert's stomach contents. During the trial, prosecutors

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<v Speaker 1>had maintained the family had been killed in the late afternoon,

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<v Speaker 1>but Holly challenged that based on autopsy findings, Robert had

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<v Speaker 1>popcorn in his stomach, his typical nighttime snack, usually eaten

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<v Speaker 1>around it at thirty p m. If that timing was accurate,

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<v Speaker 1>it would contradict the pro eusecution's timeline that Jeff had

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<v Speaker 1>killed his family before prom Jackie also noted something else.

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<v Speaker 1>The key to the family's home hung in the church

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<v Speaker 1>next door. It was a detail that was well known

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<v Speaker 1>to many people in the community. On the eighteenth of October,

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<v Speaker 1>Jeff returned to court for sentencing. He was given the

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<v Speaker 1>opportunity to speak, and he addressed the court with quiet emotion.

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<v Speaker 1>He said, my deepest regret in life is that I

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<v Speaker 1>was not home that afternoon, because maybe I could have

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<v Speaker 1>done something. I love my family dearly. I've spent my

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<v Speaker 1>life trying to pattern myself after my father. Members of

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<v Speaker 1>the family also spoke on his behalf, including John Down's

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<v Speaker 1>brother in law. He pleaded with the judge for mercy, saying,

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<v Speaker 1>because of what Dawn and Bob believed, we do ask

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<v Speaker 1>for grace and mercy for Jeff. Jackie and Jeff's wife, Kim,

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<v Speaker 1>reiterated their belief in his innocence. Jackie turned to her

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<v Speaker 1>brother and said, when I look at you, Jeff, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't see what they say. When I look at you,

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<v Speaker 1>I see a fall guy, escapegoat a political war and

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<v Speaker 1>praying for you. I love you and I'm proud to

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<v Speaker 1>be your sister. The judge was unmoved. Jeff Pelly was

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<v Speaker 1>then sentenced to one hundred and sixty years in prison,

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<v Speaker 1>forty years for each life taken. The following month, Jeff's

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<v Speaker 1>defense filed request for a new trial, arguing that new

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<v Speaker 1>evidence had surfaced but cast out on his conviction. One woman,

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<v Speaker 1>Penny Hoeflinger, had reportedly overheard a group of teenagers talking

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<v Speaker 1>about plans to kill a pastor just two weeks before

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<v Speaker 1>the murders. Penny had told detectives about the conversation during

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<v Speaker 1>the initial investigation and had been interviewed three times. The judge, however,

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<v Speaker 1>declined to grant a new trial. Then, in April of

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<v Speaker 1>two thousand and eight, a surprising ruling came down. The

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<v Speaker 1>state appeals court determined that Jeff's conviction must be overturned,

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<v Speaker 1>not based on evidence, but on a technicality. He had

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<v Speaker 1>been denied his right to a speedy trial. Under Indiana law,

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<v Speaker 1>strict time lines had to be followed unless the defense

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<v Speaker 1>or court congestion caused delays. In Jeff's case, the court

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<v Speaker 1>found that delays weren't justified. The state quickly responded by

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<v Speaker 1>asking the Indiana Supreme Court to reinstate the conviction, and

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<v Speaker 1>the court did exactly just that. Still, the fight continued.

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<v Speaker 1>In twenty twenty one, Jeff's defense team was granted a

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<v Speaker 1>hearing in his post conviction relief case. He was represented

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<v Speaker 1>by Francis Wilson of the Indiana University Wrongful Conviction Clinic,

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<v Speaker 1>and they argued that Jeff had been the victim of

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<v Speaker 1>prosecutorial misconduct. They brought forward new testimony from a woman

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<v Speaker 1>named Tony Beeeler, who said Robert Pelley had told her

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<v Speaker 1>he feared for his life over the missing one million

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<v Speaker 1>dollars at the bank. He believed that the mob was

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<v Speaker 1>after him. Another witness, Kathy Hawley, who had once worked

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<v Speaker 1>with Robert, added to the chilling pot portrait. She recalled

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<v Speaker 1>the conversation in the mid nineteen eighties where Robert admitted

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<v Speaker 1>he had hidden computer discs from the bank and feared

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<v Speaker 1>the consequences for his job and for his family. A

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<v Speaker 1>Florida detective also added weight to the theory, pointing out

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<v Speaker 1>that a business associate of Cathy's husband had been found murdered,

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<v Speaker 1>shot in the head, and buried in cement less than

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<v Speaker 1>a year before the Pelly murders. Despite all of this,

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<v Speaker 1>the judge ultimately ruled against a new trial. To this day,

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<v Speaker 1>the case remains a lightning rod for debate. For some,

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<v Speaker 1>Jeff Pelly is a cold blooded killer who executed his

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<v Speaker 1>family in a fit of rage before heading off to

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<v Speaker 1>prom For others, he's an innocent man who was convicted

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<v Speaker 1>on flimsy, circumstantial evidence, rail roaded by a justice system

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<v Speaker 1>that needed somebody to blame. Theories still swirl. Was this

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<v Speaker 1>a family annihilation or was it acaculated hit tied to

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<v Speaker 1>Robert's shadowy path. Did Jeff kill his family or was

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<v Speaker 1>he just the easiest target. We may never truly know.

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<v Speaker 1>What remains is the enduring pain of a family lost,

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<v Speaker 1>a man imprisoned, and a truth that, whatever it may be,

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<v Speaker 1>continues to elude.

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<v Speaker 3>Well.

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<v Speaker 1>That is it for this episode of Morbidology is always.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you so much for listening, and I'd like to

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