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Speaker 1: Tell me what your life was like before you died.

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That was at work and I used to unload rail

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cars for a college job. And the wall that was stuck,

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the wall in between to keep the products in place,

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that was stuck. So I heard a climb up and

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release the wall. You know, it's a halftone wall, and

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and my teammates were you know, pulling underneath. And then

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all of a sudden, the wall just gave way and

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I slid with the wall all the way across and

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I got in the wall stopped by my job.

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Speaker 2: My job got crushed in between.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so metal members, you know, roof members, just like

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and I was stuck. I was just like hanging and

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I could actually see myself and that was the coolest

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thing ever above and looking at myself, I'm going, that

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does not look good at all, you know.

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Speaker 2: But I didn't realize that I was dead, which was

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really crazy. You know.

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Speaker 1: It was like, you know, like and then I and

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this is the conscious. It's like it's like what am

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I doing over there? If I am over here? And

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then I realized it's like, oh, I'm dead, And then it.

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Speaker 2: Was sadness for maybe a split second.

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Speaker 1: But then you have so much joy and so much

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expansiveness at that moment that you don't even think about

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your physical body anymore. You don't think about you know,

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your loved ones and so on like that, because it's

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just like whoa, It's just crazy how beautiful that layer is.

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And then from there I send it into where I

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went into a life review. There's you know, you see

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the tunnel of light. You go through a tunnel of light.

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It is brilliant, and some people go, well, it's the

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optic nerve and all that. It really isn't. You're in

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another consciousness one. I was out of my body, you

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know too. You know, it's it's this thing that just

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consumes you and you think you're in a tunnel, but

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in reality you're really not. It's just a space of

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just pure possibilities. That's what you know. Pure white is

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about pure possibilities. There's different layers of possibilities. The first

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layer sometimes people go where they you know, go their

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loved ones meet them, right, you know, their dogs, loved ones,

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whoever's crossed.

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Speaker 2: Over, you know, they introduced them.

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Speaker 1: I went into the fourth or fifth layer of that

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where it was a life review, and that life review

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it wasn't about you know, somebody keeping score where you

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know you did this wrong, you did this right, and

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then they tally up the score, you know, and then

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you either go to heaven or you go down below

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to the other place. It wasn't like that at all.

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It was literally reviewing your life as a high level

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being and looking at it. It's like, oh, okay, that's

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why that happened.

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Speaker 2: That's why that happened. That's why this happened.

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Speaker 1: So you start to see it from say a college

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grade level or a pH d level consciousness rather than

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you know, a kindergarten level of awakening. There's you feel presences,

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but I didn't see anybody. And it's not like you're

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observing your life. You're in the life, re experiencing like

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twenty two years for me, in maybe merror seconds. You

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were reliving yourself in that moment, from my point of view,

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reliving everything, but from a very high level.

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Speaker 2: State of consciousness.

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Speaker 1: Well, you stepped into the moment, and then when you're

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done reviewing, you step back out. It's like you're in

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the ride and you go through life and you go, oh,

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that's why this happened.

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Speaker 2: Oh that's why this.

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Speaker 1: Happened, So you can't really change what happened because that's

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written in the sands of time. The important thing is

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that you can rewrite the meaning of what happened. And

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that's really key because that's what I use today to transform.

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You know, not only my life, but you know thousands

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of others around where you can change or you can

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edit what happens to you. You can change the meaning

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of what's happened to you. What changes your present focus

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or the possibilities of where you can go into the

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present moment. It allowed me to awaken much quicker than

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taking another twenty thirty, forty years or maybe lifetimes to transform.

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So in that perspective, I understood why things happen the

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way they do. And literally it is a teaching experience.

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But the teaching experience for me was about, Oh, we're

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just all running programs, and that's really the key. It's like, oh,

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it's a program.

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Speaker 2: It's not like it was my fault or it was

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their fault or whatever.

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Speaker 1: It's just like you run a program and the outcome

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is right there for you.

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Speaker 2: It's just that literally, that simple.

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Speaker 1: When you step back out of the ride and you know, again,

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still not in my body and I'm going, okay, now,

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how did I just live twenty.

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Speaker 2: Two years in maybe a minute or two.

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Speaker 1: You know, that puzzled me even then, and that I

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think that was the teaching experience for me. Is like

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wait time and space can be edited, it can be

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you know, distorted, it can be edited, it can be

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manipulated for your benefit. There's a deep state of love

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you have for yourself because you look at the mistakes

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and you realize that you know, you aren't the mistakes,

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you aren't the distortions, you aren't the abuse, or you

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aren't the successes or anything. You are a grand level

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being experiencing those things. Although you know you can experience

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that you, who you are, is an infinite being and

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you know yourself so solidly, and from that you get

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this immense peace and joy and the brilliance of love

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that I've never experienced physical in physical form, although you

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know you're in that state all the time. And then

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you know this consciousness you know, starts talking to you.

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just like one person, it's like many individuals talking through

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one voice. And it's like, oh, yes, I know you

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could stay here. It's like, because you have this choice,

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you can either stay here or you can go back.

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it's crazy beautiful, and you know sounds and inflections and

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tones that you we can't comprehend it, but you heard

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the voice, you know, at that level because well, in

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that consciousness there is you don't have ears, you know,

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but for us, for me to understand it, you know,

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you hear it as a you know.

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Speaker 2: As a voice.

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Speaker 1: But it's like, yeah, you can stay here if you'd like,

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you know, but you can always go back. But as

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soon as they go back, that you're just like they

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push you back into your body. Or as soon as

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you think of going back, you're probably in your body

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our sponsor, and now back to the show. And that's

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where I felt the pain of, you know, my jaws

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being crushed. I look around and then I pass out.

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Speaker 2: So as soon as they say.

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Speaker 1: Oh, go back, it's not like you have a choice,

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so to speak. You already created that experience of going back.

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There is no time in space. So as soon as

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you think you're there, so I think that's where you

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just like go back in.

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Speaker 2: It's like, whoa, I'm back and you know we're in Belize.

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Speaker 1: We were in a rafting trip and you know we connected.

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The guide goes well, you know, you want to stay

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interlocked with your feet otherwise you'll get pulled into other tributaries.

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Something happened to me where I had to unlock my

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feet with the other group. So the group went one way,

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my sons and I went the other way, and I

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got pulled into a sonota.

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Speaker 2: It's basically a hole in you know, the bottom of

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the river.

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Speaker 1: So I pulled you know, I pushed my kids aside,

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and then I got sucked in and that's where I

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was trying to crawl out. But I was in this

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lava tube back then probably was a lava tube.

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Speaker 2: Now it's filled with water.

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Speaker 1: But the water pressure was so great, you know, I

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was trying to crawl out and then at some point

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you give up. That's when I go, gosh, I'll never

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see my kids grow up. And you know, it was like, damn,

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I thought I had a great future and all that.

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you see your body just I saw my body just

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float away into you know, the bottles of the earth.

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the beauty. And I could still feel the water, the

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presence of water.

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Speaker 2: You went through.

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Speaker 1: I went through the rock and then back through the river,

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and then I sent it into higher realms. You transcend

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the tunnel of light, and it's just it's like a

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black hole or void because it's a space of nothingness.

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possible because it had to be nothing for you to.

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Speaker 2: Create or render anything without judgment. It's a blank slate

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and it's beautiful up there.

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Speaker 1: But you could I could feel, you know, I have

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access to all possibilities here, and I had access to

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all knowledge that ever was, is and shall be.

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Speaker 2: And I'm going, whoa.

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Speaker 1: It's like a huge I call it the universal database,

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and you can have access to.

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Speaker 2: It and anything that you need or want.

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Speaker 1: It's even faster, you know, because there's no time, no

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space at that level.

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Speaker 2: And so and it's a beautiful.

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Speaker 1: It turned into a beautiful blue space, kind of like

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the deep ocean blue. It turned into that, and I'm going, wow,

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this is so beautiful. The amount of love at that

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level is a million times greater than what you could

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handle here. I don't think you could handle that much

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love here. Your body would just like explode, you know.

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Speaker 2: Anything you wanted there, anything.

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Speaker 1: You could do, you you know, you literally transform into

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It's like, oh I want to go to friends. It's like, oh,

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you're in frience.

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Speaker 2: It's like that.

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Speaker 1: So it took a little bit, you know, to understand

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the concepts. And I don't know how long. According to

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my wife at the time, I probably was underwater like

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Speaker 2: Over there. It was like life, like.

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Speaker 1: Lifetimes because it's forever, you know, there's no time, there's

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no space. And then I blacked out came back. That's

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where I got downloaded all the information. So basically it

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was a connection point. When I came back, my heart,

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my circulatory system, everything got remapped. It took me about

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a year, but I'm healthier now than ever before. My

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definition of God or pure source is the intelligence that

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created this reality, you know, and the physics principles. If

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you follow that physics, the science, you know, not religions

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or anything like that, but if you follow the science

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of trillions of years of evolution. That would be that

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intelligence that that I would define God. So you start

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to you become the observer of your physical So the

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more you can do that rather than the flip. Most

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people see their physical form and then some people go,

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well there's a spirit out there.

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Speaker 2: I don't even know what that is.

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Speaker 1: But if you can see yourself from again a spiritual

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aspect of who you are looking upon your physical form,

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you start to.

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Speaker 2: Create more love. The way you do that is create.

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Speaker 1: More efficiencies of who you are by letting go of

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those filters. The ultimate purpose of life is about understanding

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your understanding space and time or the multi dimensional space

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that is created here again the programming, so you can

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render yourself here in physical form with all the possibilities

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of being a limitless being. So again, at a spirit level,

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you're limitless, you're all powerful.

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Speaker 2: How do you render that each moment at a time

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Speaker 1: So basically walking here on physical earth, on physical form

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through your spiritual eye and experiencing that sh