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<v Speaker 1>Jesse Jackson Junior. Welcome forward to the Jesse Jackson Junior Show.

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<v Speaker 1>This is Moving Mountain Mondays with none of the de

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<v Speaker 1>Reverend Terry Hoard Owens, General Minister and President of the

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<v Speaker 1>Christian Church Disciples of Christ in the United States and Canada.

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<v Speaker 1>An author and advocate for the church living on its calling.

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<v Speaker 1>She is the first person of color and second woman

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<v Speaker 1>to lead the denomination since her election in twenty seventeen.

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<v Speaker 1>Reverend Hoard Owens's ministry actively reflects the Disciples priority of

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<v Speaker 1>being an anti racist church, being a movement for wholeness,

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<v Speaker 1>welcoming all to the Lord as God has welcomed us,

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<v Speaker 1>keeping with the disciples historic commitment to Christian unity. She

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<v Speaker 1>serves in leadership at the National Council of Churches as

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<v Speaker 1>the Treasurer of the Governing Board and a member of

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<v Speaker 1>the World Council of Church's Central Committee. Madam President, Welcome

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<v Speaker 1>forward to the Jesse Jackson Junior Show and to your show,

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<v Speaker 1>Faith not the Fall on Moving Mountain Mondays.

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<v Speaker 2>Good afternoon, so good to be with you.

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<v Speaker 1>It's always a pleasure, Madam President. Some really interesting news

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<v Speaker 1>coming out of the Gates Foundation. Bill Gates has set

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<v Speaker 1>a timeline and a time limit on the United States

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<v Speaker 1>and the world within the next five years, entering into

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<v Speaker 1>a dark age. You can imagine the Dark Ages was

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<v Speaker 1>a very, very difficult period for Christianity, Christianity, for theology,

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<v Speaker 1>and for world religious systems. Madam President, your thoughts on

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<v Speaker 1>the prediction of Bill Gates.

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<v Speaker 2>Sadly, I think there is far too much truth in it.

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<v Speaker 2>His own efforts have, for example, really reduced the threat

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<v Speaker 2>of malaria in parts of the world that are underdeveloped economically.

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<v Speaker 2>USAID people talk about it being a form of soft power.

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<v Speaker 2>It was one of the key agencies that our church's

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<v Speaker 2>ministries worked with around the world, and it may have

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<v Speaker 2>been December of twenty three, I guess it was. I

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<v Speaker 2>spent a day in DC actually working with a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of faith based organizations and folks for USAID, kind of

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<v Speaker 2>doing some lobbying around worldwide, aid to Haiti, Sudan, Ethiopia,

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<v Speaker 2>so many places where we are seeing children literally starving

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<v Speaker 2>to death, where very simple things like a peanut paste

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<v Speaker 2>right that just a few licks of that would be

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<v Speaker 2>able to help nourish babies around the world. We do

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<v Speaker 2>not prioritize being kind and saving the lives of humans

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<v Speaker 2>around the world unless there is some sort of economic

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<v Speaker 2>benefit to the United States. We talked last week about

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<v Speaker 2>how you know. Marco Rubio even said, this is about

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<v Speaker 2>America's interests first and then the people of Venezuela. So

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<v Speaker 2>we are willing to let people around the world die.

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<v Speaker 2>Children in particular will be most impacted if the United

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<v Speaker 2>States can't see its own economic interests being privileged. We've

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<v Speaker 2>gone from understanding that our humanity to other human kind

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<v Speaker 2>is one of the ways that we can even project

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<v Speaker 2>and promote our own influence to saying it's not worth

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<v Speaker 2>the money we need to send bombs and planes and

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<v Speaker 2>ice agents in order to establish who we are, and

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<v Speaker 2>we no longer care about what's happened. It's I don't

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<v Speaker 2>think we're too far from it, Madam President.

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<v Speaker 1>When you think about the two hundred and fifty year

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<v Speaker 1>anniversary of the Declaration of Independence, and of course the

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<v Speaker 1>magnificent words Martin Luther King Junior referred to penmanship of

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<v Speaker 1>Thomas Jefferson that all men are created equal, and of

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<v Speaker 1>course Elizabeth Caddy Statton, men's that language to say all

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<v Speaker 1>men and women are created equal. And you look at

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<v Speaker 1>the if you will the zenith of the American experiment,

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<v Speaker 1>experiment with all that it's been through, maybe the zenith

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<v Speaker 1>is from nineteen fifty four to the election of Barack Obama,

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<v Speaker 1>and now we're already talking about dark age. I'm wondering

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<v Speaker 1>in this moment, is a dark age avoidable or is it,

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<v Speaker 1>from your perspective, inevitable.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think it's inevitable. But it will require a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of us, a lot that we're really not used

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<v Speaker 2>to giving. It will require a kind of coalescence, different

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<v Speaker 2>kinds of coalitions then we're used to building, both those

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<v Speaker 2>that have served us well in the past, but new

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<v Speaker 2>kinds of coalitions, and it will require even the courage

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<v Speaker 2>I think, particularly of corporate interests. Bill Gates has been

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<v Speaker 2>amazingly silent about the evil that we've been seeing coming

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<v Speaker 2>out of the Trump administration, and he will talk about

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<v Speaker 2>this impact of money around the world. But if he

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<v Speaker 2>and other corporate leaders were to coalesce and to say

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<v Speaker 2>that what we stand for, even as economic engines in

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<v Speaker 2>this country, is that we want to have positive impacts

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<v Speaker 2>on the communities that we serve. We want to have

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<v Speaker 2>positive impacts on the communities around the world. Because it's

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<v Speaker 2>self serving really to want a healthy world in order

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<v Speaker 2>to build a healthy world markets, but I don't see

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<v Speaker 2>corporations and being strong enough to come and say that.

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<v Speaker 2>We have to shake up a lot of church folk,

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of people of faith and all traditions who

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<v Speaker 2>are afraid to speak out saying all the church shouldn't

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<v Speaker 2>be involved in politics. We've got to build coalitions in

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<v Speaker 2>a way we've never built them before.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Jesse Jackson Jr. This is moving Mountain Mondays and

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<v Speaker 1>the Faith not the Fall with Reverend Terry Hoard Owens.

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<v Speaker 1>More coming forward on k B l a Talk fifteen

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<v Speaker 1>to eighty with the President and General Minister of the

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<v Speaker 1>Christian Church, the Disciples of Christ in the United States

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<v Speaker 1>and Canada. More when we come forward on k B

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<v Speaker 1>Late Talk fifteen to eighty. I'm Jesse Jackson Jr. Welcome

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<v Speaker 1>back to the Jesse Jackson Junior Show on k BY

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<v Speaker 1>Lay Talk fifteen eighty. Madam President, Reverend Teresa Terry hord

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<v Speaker 1>Owens is the President and General Minister of the Disciples

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<v Speaker 1>of Christ Church here in the United States and in Canada.

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<v Speaker 1>Is our very special contributing host during this period. Madam President,

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<v Speaker 1>welcome forward to the show.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, thank you, it's always good to be here.

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<v Speaker 1>Madam President. I don't think there's a person with a

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<v Speaker 1>bigger heart in the philanthropic community than Bill Gates. He

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<v Speaker 1>just gave his wife an additional eight billion dollars to

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<v Speaker 1>her private finance, to her private philanthropic foundation, in large

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<v Speaker 1>measure because he is particularly proud and excited about the

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<v Speaker 1>resources that she has been providing to historically black colleges

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<v Speaker 1>and universities and making missus Gates's foundation one of the

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<v Speaker 1>premier funding mechanisms for black education, black college and advancement,

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<v Speaker 1>not only in the United States, but quite frankly in

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<v Speaker 1>the history of the world. Your thoughts on this season

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<v Speaker 1>of giving, particularly in light of the DOGE cuts and

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<v Speaker 1>administration that seems to be turning its back on its

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<v Speaker 1>historical commitments to overcome negative action against minorities.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm thrilled with not only Melinda Gates, but also for

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<v Speaker 2>her ability to leverage that divorce get to get what

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<v Speaker 2>she needed. There was a line in that that old

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<v Speaker 2>movie The First Wives Club, where Evonna Trump is uh

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<v Speaker 2>has just divorced Donald Trump. As she's telling these women

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<v Speaker 2>in the movie what to do, she says don't get

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<v Speaker 2>even get everything. Uh And I feel that uh Melinda

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<v Speaker 2>Gates here, she didn't get everything, but she got what

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<v Speaker 2>she needed and what her focus was on. And of

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<v Speaker 2>course what she's already done with HBCU contributions is certainly

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<v Speaker 2>uh stellar, building up not only the sustainability of those institutions,

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<v Speaker 2>but reinforcing the notion that those institutions are legitimate educational

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<v Speaker 2>institutions in our country and are necessary to a healthy society.

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<v Speaker 2>And Bill learned about philanthropy from Warren Buffett, who apparently

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<v Speaker 2>just recently retired I think last week, and Warren is

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<v Speaker 2>given away, you know, most of his wealth. Scott, what's

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<v Speaker 2>her name, Melinda Scott, Jeff Bezos's ex wife, also has

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<v Speaker 2>been making huge gifts with the settlements that and the

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<v Speaker 2>money that she's obtained in the divorces. So we don't

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<v Speaker 2>have enough capacity, I don't think, as I tell people

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<v Speaker 2>all the time, the faith community cannot fill these gaps.

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<v Speaker 2>We don't have that kind of capacity. And maybe multiple

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<v Speaker 2>Bill Gates might come close to doing this, but again

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<v Speaker 2>we've got to have coalitions and courageous people. Statistics tell

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<v Speaker 2>us there are more billionaires than ever before, but where

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<v Speaker 2>are their priorities. Are they building ultra megayachts the way

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<v Speaker 2>Jeff Bezos is doing. What are they doing with their money?

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<v Speaker 2>How are they focusing their bounty for the good of others,

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<v Speaker 2>which really serves us all. We've lost that sense of

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<v Speaker 2>My pastor Indianapolis used to say, Lord, Lord, make me

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<v Speaker 2>rich so I can bless somebody. And I promise you

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<v Speaker 2>if I were rich, that's exactly what I would do.

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<v Speaker 2>But we've lost those values that would say, let me

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<v Speaker 2>take what I have because God has blessed me, allowed

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<v Speaker 2>me to be a blessing. And even if you don't

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<v Speaker 2>have a faith perspective, just the idea of sharing and

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<v Speaker 2>doing what is good for your common humanity. If we

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<v Speaker 2>had more million billionaires, like the fact that you can

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<v Speaker 2>give away eight billion and still okay that is that's

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<v Speaker 2>just amazing. It wouldn't take that much to replace a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of what's happening with Doge. But if more of

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<v Speaker 2>these people have these kinds of priorities, we could do it.

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<v Speaker 2>The faith community, churches doing what they can in their neighborhoods.

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<v Speaker 2>It's just not enough.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, I am in the civil religion of the

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<v Speaker 1>United States. I see paying taxes as a form of tithing.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's very hard for me to let the entire

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<v Speaker 1>burden for all that's wrong in society to be left

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<v Speaker 1>to any five ozho one c three, let alone multi

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<v Speaker 1>billion dollar five oh one seed threes. And I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>suggesting or knocking that they're not doing good work. If

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<v Speaker 1>Melinda Gates called me tomorrow I set up a black college, yes,

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<v Speaker 1>I'd be very grateful, and you could do that well, sir,

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<v Speaker 1>you could do that or point her in the direction

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<v Speaker 1>of some that need to be funded. But to my pool,

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<v Speaker 1>when I pay my taxes, you know, I expect the

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<v Speaker 1>government to feed hungry people with it. I mean, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>Warnock says that a vote is a kind of prayer

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<v Speaker 1>that we cast for the world that we want to build.

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<v Speaker 1>But that's the way I see taxes. I see taxes

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<v Speaker 1>as a form of paying it forward, building good schools,

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<v Speaker 1>teaching children multiple languages. My contribution to civilization are the

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<v Speaker 1>taxes that I pay. I did not pay, And maybe

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<v Speaker 1>we should find a way to designate what is in

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<v Speaker 1>where my tax dollar goes. For example, I did not

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<v Speaker 1>want my tax dollars to build the Gerald R Forward

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<v Speaker 1>US aircraft carrier, the largest in the world, and presently

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<v Speaker 1>in the career, I'd like my money to go towards

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<v Speaker 1>providing for the least of these people who don't have much.

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<v Speaker 1>And so increasingly we are relying upon the private sector

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<v Speaker 1>to do what government of for and by the people

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<v Speaker 1>is supposed to do to keep our country civilized. Do

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<v Speaker 1>that makes sense.

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely, And the reason that our budgets are in such

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<v Speaker 2>great deficits, federal budgets is because this wealthy and ultra

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<v Speaker 2>wealthy are not paying their fair share. We have enough

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<v Speaker 2>in this country, as you say all the time, the

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<v Speaker 2>wealthiest country in the history of the world. If everyone

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<v Speaker 2>pays their share, their proportionate share, we have enough so

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<v Speaker 2>that people can earn jobs that allow them to provide

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<v Speaker 2>that's safe and clean and comfortable, warm in the winter,

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<v Speaker 2>cold in the summer. To send children to public schools

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<v Speaker 2>that don't vary in terms of resource is based on

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<v Speaker 2>your zip code. You know. I have a family member

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<v Speaker 2>who lived in Northbrook and they took their child out

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<v Speaker 2>of a Christian school and put them in a public school.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's like, oh, my goodness, Northbrook. Here we are.

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<v Speaker 2>Every child gets a chromebook. Every child. Oh, public school

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<v Speaker 2>is great. I said, public school depends on where you live.

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<v Speaker 2>It's wonderful in Northbrook. But take a neighborhood in Englewood

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<v Speaker 2>they may get chromebooks, but they don't have all the

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<v Speaker 2>science facilities, they don't have the books. They can't pay

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<v Speaker 2>the teachers that they need. They're robbing Peter to pay Paul.

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<v Speaker 2>Every time we turn around, and other neighborhoods, the kids are.

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<v Speaker 2>It's an embarrassment of riches. That's not what this country

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<v Speaker 2>say we are. But everybody should be paying their fair share.

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<v Speaker 2>And if nothing else, to see it as a return

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<v Speaker 2>for the opportunities that you say, oh, everybody can make

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<v Speaker 2>it the United States. Well for those opportunities, you go

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<v Speaker 2>it back to this society to make sure that everyone

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<v Speaker 1>President, speaking of opportunities, just a few months ago, or

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<v Speaker 1>what a difference to day makes your thought on the

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<v Speaker 2>I think the heat is coming from their constituents long ago,

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<v Speaker 2>when people were lobbying and advocating against. I call it

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<v Speaker 2>First of all, there are more people on Medicaid than

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<v Speaker 2>on Medicaid that draws the attention. But there are more

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<v Speaker 2>people in red states who are being hurt by the

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<v Speaker 2>removal of these subsidies. In this ridiculous exponential increase in

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<v Speaker 2>understand that this is not a Democrat or Republican issue.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not a right or left issue. This is a

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<v Speaker 2>have health care because if people can't go to the doctor,

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<v Speaker 2>people are paying thousands of dollars in premiums and can't

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<v Speaker 2>it is the Affordable Care Act. They called it Obamacare

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<v Speaker 2>then they've never offered a solution. As much as they've

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<v Speaker 2>to call for some courageous corporate citizens to understand we

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<v Speaker 1>I was reflecting upon the work that I did while

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm encouraging those who can hear my voice to

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<v Speaker 1>do this Google search right now. If you ask Google

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<v Speaker 1>the right question, AI will act provide a fairly fascinating answer.

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<v Speaker 1>This is a question I need to ask Google. What

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<v Speaker 1>is the difference between Jesse Jackson juniors constitutional right or

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<v Speaker 1>health care of equal high quality for all Americans and

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<v Speaker 1>the Affordable Care Act and the single payer health care system?

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<v Speaker 1>What is the difference between Jesse Jackson Junior's constitutional amendment

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<v Speaker 1>guaranteeing every American the right to health care of equal

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<v Speaker 1>payer health care system. When you hear the answer, you're

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<v Speaker 1>going to be baffled by what Democrats and Republicans have

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<v Speaker 1>ultimately been doing by calling both of these things rights

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<v Speaker 1>when in fact they are not. The answer will be

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<v Speaker 1>I think nothing less than astounding for those of you

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<v Speaker 1>who have time to just Google search that I'm Jesse

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<v Speaker 1>Jackson Junior listening to Jesse Jackson Junior show we are

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<v Speaker 1>moving this mountain on Monday, the Faith not to fall

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<v Speaker 1>with Reverend Doctor Terry Horde Owens, the President and General

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<v Speaker 1>Talk fifteen eighty. When we come forward with Terry Horte Owens,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Jesse Jackson Junior on this the sixteenth anniversary of

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<v Speaker 1>and our pocketbooks books should continue to support all of

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<v Speaker 1>in Haiti. In this the sixteenth anniversary of the most

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<v Speaker 1>before I bring our very special contributor back on, I

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<v Speaker 1>asked the question, what is the difference between Jesse Jackson

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<v Speaker 1>Junior's constitutional right to healthcare of equal high quality and

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<v Speaker 1>the Affordable Care Act and the single payer healthcare system.

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<v Speaker 1>And this is what artificial intelligence says. The primary difference

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<v Speaker 1>is that Jesse Jackson Junior's proposal was for a constitutional

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<v Speaker 1>amendment that would guarantee healthcare as a fundamental enforceable right,

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<v Speaker 1>while the Affordable Care Act is a federal statute that

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<v Speaker 1>uses market mechanisms to expand health insurance access, and a

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<v Speaker 1>health care that is not currently in the law in

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<v Speaker 1>the United States. The Jackson proposed amendment to the US Constitution,

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<v Speaker 1>which stated that all persons shall enjoy the right to

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<v Speaker 1>health care of equal high quality, was never passed. If ratified,

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<v Speaker 1>it would establish health care as a fundamental, inalienable human right,

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<v Speaker 1>placing an affirmative obligation on the government to ensure its provision,

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<v Speaker 1>potentially overriding state laws, and making equal high quality a

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<v Speaker 1>legal standard. It aimed to create permanent foundation guarantee that

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<v Speaker 1>transcends political changes Democrats, Republicans and various congresses and legislative acts,

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<v Speaker 1>and lastly, but not limited in essence, jackson junior proposal

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<v Speaker 1>was about establishing an unquestionable legal foundation for healthcare as

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<v Speaker 1>a funding mechanism for universal coverage. Democrats and Republicans both

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<v Speaker 1>have been missing the point. I'm Jesse Jackson Junior, and

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<v Speaker 1>this is the faith not to fall with Reverend doctor

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<v Speaker 1>Terry Hoard Owens on the Jesse Jackson Junior Show, The

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<v Speaker 1>Jay Lunch Club Program. Reverend Owens, welcome forward to the show.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you, and I just man. I entered at Google

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<v Speaker 2>search and got a very similar answer. I this is

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<v Speaker 2>perhaps the human rights issue of the next decade. Seriously,

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<v Speaker 2>I just know too much about the workings of healthcare

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<v Speaker 2>much that we need to do, and I think guaranteeing

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<v Speaker 2>my grandma used to call things that she thought were

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<v Speaker 2>just incompetent, evil, bad. She would just say it's pitiful.

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<v Speaker 2>It's just pitiful.

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<v Speaker 1>I think we're going to have a surprise guest on

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<v Speaker 1>And as you know that it acts mortgages, it impacts

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<v Speaker 2>My concern is that we know that Trump's concerns are

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<v Speaker 2>possibility that are systems of accountability, which is required in

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<v Speaker 2>So that's my concern and that's my fear. But I

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<v Speaker 1>Milli is a Jesse Jackson Junior Show number one contributor

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<v Speaker 1>from Hat on the Ground. Milli, how are you.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm doing well, how are you great?

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you million Millie. We have about three minutes before

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's always a bittersweet time.

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<v Speaker 4>Obviously, it was definitely a devastating time for the Haitian

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<v Speaker 4>that this war just everywhere across the world, Like Haitians

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<v Speaker 4>are spread across the world, So we remember it every

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<v Speaker 4>January twelfth, especially in light of all that's still happening

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<v Speaker 3>So you know, we're fighting to get it, get our country.

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<v Speaker 4>Back to what it once was, a place where Haitians

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<v Speaker 4>all over and and and really just all kinds of

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<v Speaker 4>If you haven't been, there's still parts of Haiti that

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<v Speaker 1>Billy, you went to Haiti in twenty ten during that period,

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<v Speaker 1>can you share with us what you saw? We have

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<v Speaker 1>about just two minutes before we come forward.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, just you know, devastations, I mean all over almost gosh,

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<v Speaker 4>close to three hundred thousand lives lost, about a million

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<v Speaker 4>people displaced, So just a devastating site to see, especially

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<v Speaker 4>and again in a city that was so vibrant at

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<v Speaker 4>one time. But I got to spend about three months there,

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<v Speaker 4>just trying to meet the needs of the people, which

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<v Speaker 4>the biggest needs was was tense and stuff at the time,

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<v Speaker 4>and so you know, we continue to try to send

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<v Speaker 4>resources because obviously it's still a lot a lot of

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<v Speaker 4>people that are displaced now in light of the gang

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<v Speaker 4>activity that's been happening.

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<v Speaker 1>We have about a minute and thirty seconds before we

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<v Speaker 1>come forward, Madam President, Do you have a question of

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<v Speaker 1>Millie Paton?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I just want to, I guess perhaps ask how

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<v Speaker 2>best can organizations like mine. I lead a multiracial denomination,

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<v Speaker 2>Disciples of Christ, and we partner with a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>ministries there on the ground, how best can people of

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<v Speaker 2>faith continue to support There's certain organizations you recommend or

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<v Speaker 2>not recommend.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, absolutely absolutely. I think one of the best organizations

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<v Speaker 4>is Hope for Haiti. You can find them, you know, online.

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<v Speaker 4>And then there's another organization led by doctor Bershud. You

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<v Speaker 4>can find her online too, and I can send the

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<v Speaker 4>links to the show. Those are the two go to

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<v Speaker 4>that I always send people to. They've been vetted, they've

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<v Speaker 4>been just long standing supports and stuff on the ground

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<v Speaker 4>and Haiti way before the earthquake happened and stuff.

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<v Speaker 3>So those are the two that I always send people to.

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<v Speaker 2>Millie.

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<v Speaker 1>I hope you'll stay with us. I'm Jesse Jackson Junior

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<v Speaker 1>listening to the Jesse Jackson Junior Show on k BLA

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<v Speaker 1>Talk fifteen eighty. We're getting a report from the ground

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<v Speaker 1>in Haiti. I know that Millie is probably here in

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<v Speaker 1>the United States at this point. But more on k

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<v Speaker 1>BLA Talk fifteen eighty when we come forward on the

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<v Speaker 1>sixteenth anniversary of the earthquake, earthquake and Katie that killed

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<v Speaker 1>nearly three hundred thousand. Mister Jackson Junior show, this is

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<v Speaker 1>not all with rev and Terry Howard Cohens. He has

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<v Speaker 1>our hash just for another moment or two, maybe you

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<v Speaker 1>have another question you like to.

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<v Speaker 2>Ask, Sure, can you educate us on what's happening with

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<v Speaker 2>Haitians and TPS. What's been the impact of that and

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<v Speaker 2>are there other ways in which we when we engage

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<v Speaker 2>advocacy to change that situation.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, that TPS protection it is said to be expiring

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<v Speaker 4>every work.

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<v Speaker 3>So you know, the biggest resources have been attorneys who

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<v Speaker 3>are trained.

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<v Speaker 1>Really, you're breaking up just a little bit. Really, you're

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<v Speaker 1>breaking up just a little bit.

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<v Speaker 4>So that's that's the biggest resource that we need, So

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<v Speaker 4>you know, we're we're asking our community to take don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>I think I think we have a really I think

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<v Speaker 1>we have a connection I'm going to have. But I

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<v Speaker 1>think I think she said that the one of the

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<v Speaker 1>biggest challenges that she has had and they have had

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<v Speaker 1>us with the temporary protective status.

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<v Speaker 2>Did you want to expound upon that, Yeah, And I

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<v Speaker 2>think I heard her say that that legal resources are

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<v Speaker 2>one of the biggest needs, and I think organizations that

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<v Speaker 2>have access to legal resources that can make them available. We,

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<v Speaker 2>for example, have in our denomination and immigration attorney who

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<v Speaker 2>was there to assist persons to at least help them

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<v Speaker 2>trioge their case. They can't handle the full legal workload.

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<v Speaker 2>But I do encourage nonprofits who provide legal assistance in

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<v Speaker 2>the immigration space not to forget Haitians and other populations,

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<v Speaker 2>particularly Haitians who that TPS status has been in place

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<v Speaker 2>for so many years. After fifteen sixteen years, it's hard

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<v Speaker 2>to imagine some folks going back. But legal support for

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<v Speaker 2>folks to help them navigate and increasingly come immigration system

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<v Speaker 2>is going to be really important. And I know that

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<v Speaker 2>organizations like ours will continue to advocate on that that

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<v Speaker 2>TPS status is not removed from the Haitian population. It

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<v Speaker 2>looked like Millie popped back in there for session.

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<v Speaker 1>She did for just a moment. I think you're right.

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<v Speaker 1>That's one of the great human rights issues of our day.

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<v Speaker 1>And when one considers the history of what the Haitian

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<v Speaker 1>people did for the United States, for the United States

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<v Speaker 1>to not be for them at their hour of need

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<v Speaker 1>and it has been sixteen years since their hour of

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<v Speaker 1>need is nothing short of astounding. And it's also a signal,

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<v Speaker 1>I think, Madam President, of the decline of our civilization

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<v Speaker 1>as well. We have not been a good neighbor.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we have not been a good neighbor. And we

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<v Speaker 2>are now explicitly naming countries where black and brown people

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<v Speaker 2>are in the majority, which is most of the world

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<v Speaker 2>actually as s whole country we have. Uh, we're more willing,

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<v Speaker 2>not that there's anything wrong with the wars that are

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<v Speaker 2>happening in Ukrainian Russia. We're more concerned about Europe than

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<v Speaker 2>we are about countries in Africa in the Caribbean that

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<v Speaker 2>have been exploited for their natural resources. I watched a

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<v Speaker 2>little of the hearing or meeting. I guess that the

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<v Speaker 2>Trump was having with oil executives, and it just really

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<v Speaker 2>sickened you to hear conversations about what they were ready

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<v Speaker 2>to bring in and what they were ready to do,

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<v Speaker 2>and this charade of oh, we're going to sell the oil.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, the Venezuela people are still going to have

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<v Speaker 2>access to those profits. They are going to make a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of money. And that's at the heart of these issues.

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<v Speaker 2>Can I still make money off of Haiti? If not,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not concerned. Can I still make money off of Sedan?

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<v Speaker 2>If not? We don't have economic interests. Human interests were

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<v Speaker 2>not as concerned about. And that's been the big shift

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<v Speaker 2>of the Trump administration to take the US away from

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<v Speaker 2>its marginal I mean, USAID was major, but we've always

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<v Speaker 2>had to fight to make the United States accountable for

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<v Speaker 2>human rights around the world. But at least that's what

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<v Speaker 2>we said we were, and we tried to do some

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<v Speaker 2>of that work, and now we're just like, well, we

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<v Speaker 2>don't care, and that's okay. It's just not okay. We're

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<v Speaker 2>going to pay a huge price across the world for

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<v Speaker 2>our failure to be true to who we say we are.

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<v Speaker 1>Madam President, our producer has just shared with us that

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<v Speaker 1>she has a clip from the Golden Globes that she'd

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<v Speaker 1>like to play right now.

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<v Speaker 5>Disrespect invites disrespect, Violence incites violence. When they powerful use

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<v Speaker 5>their position to bully others, we all lose. It was

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<v Speaker 5>that moment when the person asking to sin in the

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<v Speaker 5>most respected seat in our country imitated a disabled reporter,

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<v Speaker 5>someone he outranked in privilege, power and the capacity to

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<v Speaker 5>fight back. It kind of broke my heart when I

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<v Speaker 5>saw it, and I still can't get it out of

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<v Speaker 5>my head because it wasn't in a movie. It was

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<v Speaker 5>real life, and it's instinct to humiliate. When it's modeled

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<v Speaker 5>by someone in the public platform, by someone powerful, it

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<v Speaker 5>filters down into everybody's life because it kind of gives

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<v Speaker 5>permission for other people to do the same thing.

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<v Speaker 1>Madam President, we have about four minutes before before the

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<v Speaker 1>end of our show.

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<v Speaker 2>I have seen I remember even even watching Meryl Street,

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<v Speaker 2>but she said that people in power giving permission to

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<v Speaker 2>violate norms, to violate a human rights, to use language,

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<v Speaker 2>to just simply not care anymore. We're saying all across

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<v Speaker 2>our country language and actions. You know, people are saying

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<v Speaker 2>the quiet part out loud. Racism had for many years

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<v Speaker 2>at least you couldn't say certain things, You couldn't openly

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<v Speaker 2>believe or declare your belief for certain things. And now

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<v Speaker 2>it's okay. You don't have to be in hushrooms or

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<v Speaker 2>say them in quiet text to one another. It's okay

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<v Speaker 2>to say it out loud. And we're spouting off scripture,

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<v Speaker 2>but we're practicing hate and we're cloaking it all in

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<v Speaker 2>some form of perverted What people are claiming is Christianity

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<v Speaker 2>but violates everything that Jesus ever taught that as a

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<v Speaker 2>Christian minister is the most vile part of this is

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<v Speaker 2>that the way in which people are behaving, they're out

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<v Speaker 2>of one half of their mouth. It's viewing hate and

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<v Speaker 2>and disregard for one another. And now the other side

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<v Speaker 2>of the mouth claiming to be Christian, holding Bibles upside

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<v Speaker 2>down and standing with with I'm not sure who these

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<v Speaker 2>people are or who these ministers are that would that

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<v Speaker 2>would lay hands on Trump and claim that he's a

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<v Speaker 2>messenger from God. It's it's it's sickening, it really is,

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<v Speaker 2>because it's it's just not right. And we have to

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<v Speaker 2>be able to call these things uh and and name

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<v Speaker 2>what they are, and they're foul they're evil. I have

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<v Speaker 2>little y'all have to pray for me. Uh in these

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<v Speaker 2>last five years of my term. I've got a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of people in my church who agree with what Trump

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<v Speaker 2>is doing, and we have denominations like mine. We uh

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<v Speaker 2>in my perusal or trolling if you will, social media

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<v Speaker 2>while I'm on sabbatical, we did sign off on a

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<v Speaker 2>joint letter between the Unit Church of Christ and Disciples

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<v Speaker 2>of Christ a poe what happened in Venezuela. And there's

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<v Speaker 2>all kinds of comments. The church should not be evolved

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<v Speaker 2>in politics. This is political. I don't know what's become

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<v Speaker 2>of our denomination. This leadership is taking us down the

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<v Speaker 2>wrong path. There were lots of people in support of it,

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<v Speaker 2>but there are still people who believe that being Christian

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<v Speaker 2>being silent and just not having anything to do with

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<v Speaker 2>what's happening to human beings. Jesus chose to read from

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<v Speaker 2>Isaiah sixty one. Spirit of the Lord is upon me

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<v Speaker 2>to set at liberty those are who are captive. Jesus

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<v Speaker 2>said his job was to free the oppressed, take care

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<v Speaker 2>of poor people, and to create a different society. Jesus

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<v Speaker 2>chose that and said that so I've got to follow

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<v Speaker 2>what Jesus says, and I think that's where hope must lie.

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<v Speaker 2>Of all people of faith would be true to who

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<v Speaker 2>they say they are and build coalitions, and like we've

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<v Speaker 2>ever seen before, there is hope that we can turn

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<v Speaker 2>this thing around. But we can't be silent. We can't

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<v Speaker 2>be silent, Madam President. Happy New Year, Happy New Year, Sir.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm so looking forward to the year that we're going

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<v Speaker 1>to spend with Reverend Terry hord Owens over the course

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<v Speaker 1>of the new year right here on Mondays and the

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<v Speaker 1>Faith not to Fall. I'm Jesse Jackson Jr. You've been

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<v Speaker 1>listening to the Jesse Jackson Junior Show on KBLA Talk

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<v Speaker 1>fifteen eighty more when we come forward on KBLA Talk

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<v Speaker 1>fifteen