Speaker 1: Jesse Jackson Junior. Welcome forward to the Jesse Jackson Junior Show.
Speaker 1: This is Moving Mountain Mondays with none of the de
Speaker 1: Reverend Terry Hoard Owens, General Minister and President of the
Speaker 1: Christian Church Disciples of Christ in the United States and Canada.
Speaker 1: An author and advocate for the church living on its calling.
Speaker 1: She is the first person of color and second woman
Speaker 1: to lead the denomination since her election in twenty seventeen.
Speaker 1: Reverend Hoard Owens's ministry actively reflects the Disciples priority of
Speaker 1: being an anti racist church, being a movement for wholeness,
Speaker 1: welcoming all to the Lord as God has welcomed us,
Speaker 1: keeping with the disciples historic commitment to Christian unity. She
Speaker 1: serves in leadership at the National Council of Churches as
Speaker 1: the Treasurer of the Governing Board and a member of
Speaker 1: the World Council of Church's Central Committee. Madam President, Welcome
Speaker 1: forward to the Jesse Jackson Junior Show and to your show,
Speaker 1: Faith not the Fall on Moving Mountain Mondays.
Speaker 2: Good afternoon, so good to be with you.
Speaker 1: It's always a pleasure, Madam President. Some really interesting news
Speaker 1: coming out of the Gates Foundation. Bill Gates has set
Speaker 1: a timeline and a time limit on the United States
Speaker 1: and the world within the next five years, entering into
Speaker 1: a dark age. You can imagine the Dark Ages was
Speaker 1: a very, very difficult period for Christianity, Christianity, for theology,
Speaker 1: and for world religious systems. Madam President, your thoughts on
Speaker 1: the prediction of Bill Gates.
Speaker 2: Sadly, I think there is far too much truth in it.
Speaker 2: His own efforts have, for example, really reduced the threat
Speaker 2: of malaria in parts of the world that are underdeveloped economically.
Speaker 2: USAID people talk about it being a form of soft power.
Speaker 2: It was one of the key agencies that our church's
Speaker 2: ministries worked with around the world, and it may have
Speaker 2: been December of twenty three, I guess it was. I
Speaker 2: spent a day in DC actually working with a lot
Speaker 2: of faith based organizations and folks for USAID, kind of
Speaker 2: doing some lobbying around worldwide, aid to Haiti, Sudan, Ethiopia,
Speaker 2: so many places where we are seeing children literally starving
Speaker 2: to death, where very simple things like a peanut paste
Speaker 2: right that just a few licks of that would be
Speaker 2: able to help nourish babies around the world. We do
Speaker 2: not prioritize being kind and saving the lives of humans
Speaker 2: around the world unless there is some sort of economic
Speaker 2: benefit to the United States. We talked last week about
Speaker 2: how you know. Marco Rubio even said, this is about
Speaker 2: America's interests first and then the people of Venezuela. So
Speaker 2: we are willing to let people around the world die.
Speaker 2: Children in particular will be most impacted if the United
Speaker 2: States can't see its own economic interests being privileged. We've
Speaker 2: gone from understanding that our humanity to other human kind
Speaker 2: is one of the ways that we can even project
Speaker 2: and promote our own influence to saying it's not worth
Speaker 2: the money we need to send bombs and planes and
Speaker 2: ice agents in order to establish who we are, and
Speaker 2: we no longer care about what's happened. It's I don't
Speaker 2: think we're too far from it, Madam President.
Speaker 1: When you think about the two hundred and fifty year
Speaker 1: anniversary of the Declaration of Independence, and of course the
Speaker 1: magnificent words Martin Luther King Junior referred to penmanship of
Speaker 1: Thomas Jefferson that all men are created equal, and of
Speaker 1: course Elizabeth Caddy Statton, men's that language to say all
Speaker 1: men and women are created equal. And you look at
Speaker 1: the if you will the zenith of the American experiment,
Speaker 1: experiment with all that it's been through, maybe the zenith
Speaker 1: is from nineteen fifty four to the election of Barack Obama,
Speaker 1: and now we're already talking about dark age. I'm wondering
Speaker 1: in this moment, is a dark age avoidable or is it,
Speaker 1: from your perspective, inevitable.
Speaker 2: I don't think it's inevitable. But it will require a
Speaker 2: lot of us, a lot that we're really not used
Speaker 2: to giving. It will require a kind of coalescence, different
Speaker 2: kinds of coalitions then we're used to building, both those
Speaker 2: that have served us well in the past, but new
Speaker 2: kinds of coalitions, and it will require even the courage
Speaker 2: I think, particularly of corporate interests. Bill Gates has been
Speaker 2: amazingly silent about the evil that we've been seeing coming
Speaker 2: out of the Trump administration, and he will talk about
Speaker 2: this impact of money around the world. But if he
Speaker 2: and other corporate leaders were to coalesce and to say
Speaker 2: that what we stand for, even as economic engines in
Speaker 2: this country, is that we want to have positive impacts
Speaker 2: on the communities that we serve. We want to have
Speaker 2: positive impacts on the communities around the world. Because it's
Speaker 2: self serving really to want a healthy world in order
Speaker 2: to build a healthy world markets, but I don't see
Speaker 2: corporations and being strong enough to come and say that.
Speaker 2: We have to shake up a lot of church folk,
Speaker 2: a lot of people of faith and all traditions who
Speaker 2: are afraid to speak out saying all the church shouldn't
Speaker 2: be involved in politics. We've got to build coalitions in
Speaker 2: a way we've never built them before.
Speaker 1: I'm Jesse Jackson Jr. This is moving Mountain Mondays and
Speaker 1: the Faith not the Fall with Reverend Terry Hoard Owens.
Speaker 1: More coming forward on k B l a Talk fifteen
Speaker 1: to eighty with the President and General Minister of the
Speaker 1: Christian Church, the Disciples of Christ in the United States
Speaker 1: and Canada. More when we come forward on k B
Speaker 1: Late Talk fifteen to eighty. I'm Jesse Jackson Jr. Welcome
Speaker 1: back to the Jesse Jackson Junior Show on k BY
Speaker 1: Lay Talk fifteen eighty. Madam President, Reverend Teresa Terry hord
Speaker 1: Owens is the President and General Minister of the Disciples
Speaker 1: of Christ Church here in the United States and in Canada.
Speaker 1: Is our very special contributing host during this period. Madam President,
Speaker 1: welcome forward to the show.
Speaker 2: Well, thank you, it's always good to be here.
Speaker 1: Madam President. I don't think there's a person with a
Speaker 1: bigger heart in the philanthropic community than Bill Gates. He
Speaker 1: just gave his wife an additional eight billion dollars to
Speaker 1: her private finance, to her private philanthropic foundation, in large
Speaker 1: measure because he is particularly proud and excited about the
Speaker 1: resources that she has been providing to historically black colleges
Speaker 1: and universities and making missus Gates's foundation one of the
Speaker 1: premier funding mechanisms for black education, black college and advancement,
Speaker 1: not only in the United States, but quite frankly in
Speaker 1: the history of the world. Your thoughts on this season
Speaker 1: of giving, particularly in light of the DOGE cuts and
Speaker 1: administration that seems to be turning its back on its
Speaker 1: historical commitments to overcome negative action against minorities.
Speaker 2: I'm thrilled with not only Melinda Gates, but also for
Speaker 2: her ability to leverage that divorce get to get what
Speaker 2: she needed. There was a line in that that old
Speaker 2: movie The First Wives Club, where Evonna Trump is uh
Speaker 2: has just divorced Donald Trump. As she's telling these women
Speaker 2: in the movie what to do, she says don't get
Speaker 2: even get everything. Uh And I feel that uh Melinda
Speaker 2: Gates here, she didn't get everything, but she got what
Speaker 2: she needed and what her focus was on. And of
Speaker 2: course what she's already done with HBCU contributions is certainly
Speaker 2: uh stellar, building up not only the sustainability of those institutions,
Speaker 2: but reinforcing the notion that those institutions are legitimate educational
Speaker 2: institutions in our country and are necessary to a healthy society.
Speaker 2: And Bill learned about philanthropy from Warren Buffett, who apparently
Speaker 2: just recently retired I think last week, and Warren is
Speaker 2: given away, you know, most of his wealth. Scott, what's
Speaker 2: her name, Melinda Scott, Jeff Bezos's ex wife, also has
Speaker 2: been making huge gifts with the settlements that and the
Speaker 2: money that she's obtained in the divorces. So we don't
Speaker 2: have enough capacity, I don't think, as I tell people
Speaker 2: all the time, the faith community cannot fill these gaps.
Speaker 2: We don't have that kind of capacity. And maybe multiple
Speaker 2: Bill Gates might come close to doing this, but again
Speaker 2: we've got to have coalitions and courageous people. Statistics tell
Speaker 2: us there are more billionaires than ever before, but where
Speaker 2: are their priorities. Are they building ultra megayachts the way
Speaker 2: Jeff Bezos is doing. What are they doing with their money?
Speaker 2: How are they focusing their bounty for the good of others,
Speaker 2: which really serves us all. We've lost that sense of
Speaker 2: My pastor Indianapolis used to say, Lord, Lord, make me
Speaker 2: rich so I can bless somebody. And I promise you
Speaker 2: if I were rich, that's exactly what I would do.
Speaker 2: But we've lost those values that would say, let me
Speaker 2: take what I have because God has blessed me, allowed
Speaker 2: me to be a blessing. And even if you don't
Speaker 2: have a faith perspective, just the idea of sharing and
Speaker 2: doing what is good for your common humanity. If we
Speaker 2: had more million billionaires, like the fact that you can
Speaker 2: give away eight billion and still okay that is that's
Speaker 2: just amazing. It wouldn't take that much to replace a
Speaker 2: lot of what's happening with Doge. But if more of
Speaker 2: these people have these kinds of priorities, we could do it.
Speaker 2: The faith community, churches doing what they can in their neighborhoods.
Speaker 2: It's just not enough.
Speaker 1: You know, I am in the civil religion of the
Speaker 1: United States. I see paying taxes as a form of tithing.
Speaker 1: So it's very hard for me to let the entire
Speaker 1: burden for all that's wrong in society to be left
Speaker 1: to any five ozho one c three, let alone multi
Speaker 1: billion dollar five oh one seed threes. And I'm not
Speaker 1: suggesting or knocking that they're not doing good work. If
Speaker 1: Melinda Gates called me tomorrow I set up a black college, yes,
Speaker 1: I'd be very grateful, and you could do that well, sir,
Speaker 1: you could do that or point her in the direction
Speaker 1: of some that need to be funded. But to my pool,
Speaker 1: when I pay my taxes, you know, I expect the
Speaker 1: government to feed hungry people with it. I mean, you know.
Speaker 1: Warnock says that a vote is a kind of prayer
Speaker 1: that we cast for the world that we want to build.
Speaker 1: But that's the way I see taxes. I see taxes
Speaker 1: as a form of paying it forward, building good schools,
Speaker 1: teaching children multiple languages. My contribution to civilization are the
Speaker 1: taxes that I pay. I did not pay, And maybe
Speaker 1: we should find a way to designate what is in
Speaker 1: where my tax dollar goes. For example, I did not
Speaker 1: want my tax dollars to build the Gerald R Forward
Speaker 1: US aircraft carrier, the largest in the world, and presently
Speaker 1: in the career, I'd like my money to go towards
Speaker 1: providing for the least of these people who don't have much.
Speaker 1: And so increasingly we are relying upon the private sector
Speaker 1: to do what government of for and by the people
Speaker 1: is supposed to do to keep our country civilized. Do
Speaker 1: that makes sense.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, And the reason that our budgets are in such
Speaker 2: great deficits, federal budgets is because this wealthy and ultra
Speaker 2: wealthy are not paying their fair share. We have enough
Speaker 2: in this country, as you say all the time, the
Speaker 2: wealthiest country in the history of the world. If everyone
Speaker 2: pays their share, their proportionate share, we have enough so
Speaker 2: that people can earn jobs that allow them to provide
Speaker 2: for their families, that allow them to live in housing
Speaker 2: that's safe and clean and comfortable, warm in the winter,
Speaker 2: cold in the summer. To send children to public schools
Speaker 2: that don't vary in terms of resource is based on
Speaker 2: your zip code. You know. I have a family member
Speaker 2: who lived in Northbrook and they took their child out
Speaker 2: of a Christian school and put them in a public school.
Speaker 2: And it's like, oh, my goodness, Northbrook. Here we are.
Speaker 2: Every child gets a chromebook. Every child. Oh, public school
Speaker 2: is great. I said, public school depends on where you live.
Speaker 2: It's wonderful in Northbrook. But take a neighborhood in Englewood
Speaker 2: six six to eight zip code. I hear these days
Speaker 2: they may get chromebooks, but they don't have all the
Speaker 2: science facilities, they don't have the books. They can't pay
Speaker 2: the teachers that they need. They're robbing Peter to pay Paul.
Speaker 2: Every time we turn around, and other neighborhoods, the kids are.
Speaker 2: It's an embarrassment of riches. That's not what this country
Speaker 2: was built on, they say. Right, So I'm always saying,
Speaker 2: let's be who we say we are. Let's be the
Speaker 2: church we say we are, Let's be the country we
Speaker 2: say we are. But everybody should be paying their fair share.
Speaker 2: And if nothing else, to see it as a return
Speaker 2: for the opportunities that you say, oh, everybody can make
Speaker 2: it the United States. Well for those opportunities, you go
Speaker 2: it back to this society to make sure that everyone
Speaker 2: else has those same opportunities. Better.
Speaker 1: President, speaking of opportunities, just a few months ago, or
Speaker 1: a little less than a month ago, we saw eight
Speaker 1: Democrats essentially bolt the Democratic Party to end the government
Speaker 1: shutdown to the dismay of the resistance movement in the
Speaker 1: United States, to ensure that the Affordable Care Act would
Speaker 1: not be sidelined. An interesting coalition of Democrats and Republicans
Speaker 1: came together to pass the Affordable Care Act in the
Speaker 1: House of Representatives with a three year extension this past week,
Speaker 1: and now we have GOP senators reviving Obamacare and calling
Speaker 1: it putting America first. Ernest Krim in the last hour said,
Speaker 1: what a difference to day makes your thought on the
Speaker 1: new movement amongst Republicans and where you think the heat
Speaker 1: is coming from.
Speaker 2: I think the heat is coming from their constituents long ago,
Speaker 2: when people were lobbying and advocating against. I call it
Speaker 2: the horrible awful bill, not the big beautiful bill, the
Speaker 2: horrible awful bill. Statistics tell us that by the numbers,
Speaker 2: First of all, there are more people on Medicaid than
Speaker 2: there are black people. It's the percentage of black people
Speaker 2: on Medicaid that draws the attention. But there are more
Speaker 2: people in red states who are being hurt by the
Speaker 2: removal of these subsidies. In this ridiculous exponential increase in
Speaker 2: healthcare premiums, and I think it is their own people
Speaker 2: who are finally getting through to them to help them
Speaker 2: understand that this is not a Democrat or Republican issue.
Speaker 2: It's not a right or left issue. This is a
Speaker 2: matter of right versus wrong and people being able to
Speaker 2: have health care because if people can't go to the doctor,
Speaker 2: people are paying thousands of dollars in premiums and can't
Speaker 2: go to the doctor, can't get their medication. I mean,
Speaker 2: if I didn't have health care, I'm a diabetic, I
Speaker 2: would be able to afford the medication that I have
Speaker 2: to take if I had to just pay it out
Speaker 2: of my own out of my own pocket. You know,
Speaker 2: insulent some forms of insulin cost one thousand dollars a
Speaker 2: month without And as much as people talk about ozempic
Speaker 2: for weight loss, that drug was initially approved for diabetics
Speaker 2: and you couldn't get it because people could pay the
Speaker 2: one thousand dollars for weight loss. We're getting it, but
Speaker 2: we've really got to listen and the people have to
Speaker 2: start speaking up. And I think that's what's happened with
Speaker 2: some of these GOP senators who are finally hearing and
Speaker 2: paying attention. I heard Ernest say in the first hour,
Speaker 2: it is the Affordable Care Act. They called it Obamacare
Speaker 2: in order to try to denigrate it. But it's the
Speaker 2: Affordable Care Act, and if there are issues with it,
Speaker 2: then they've never offered a solution. As much as they've
Speaker 2: tried to destroy it, they haven't offered anything to make
Speaker 2: it better. Health Care insurance in this country was designed
Speaker 2: as a force for good. It was never designed to
Speaker 2: create profit for health insurance companies. And having spent some
Speaker 2: time with the Blue Cross Blue Shield system, I repent
Speaker 2: because there was a time when I would get bonuses,
Speaker 2: I would get bonuses healthcare. I was there during that
Speaker 2: time when Blue Cross went from being a nonprofit to
Speaker 2: a for profit enterprise all across the country, with Anthem
Speaker 2: being the initiator of consolidating a lot of these Blue
Speaker 2: Cross plans and moving towards for profit. We've got to
Speaker 2: also not just pass laws for subsidies. We've got to
Speaker 2: do some tough work. And again, this is what's going
Speaker 2: to call for some courageous corporate citizens to understand we
Speaker 2: got to change the healthcare system in order to make
Speaker 2: it affordable for the American people. It should not be
Speaker 2: the case that people are making billions and billions of
Speaker 2: dollars on the backs of people who can't afford to
Speaker 2: go to their doctor.
Speaker 1: I was reflecting upon the work that I did while
Speaker 1: I was in Congress, and I did this Google search,
Speaker 1: and I'm encouraging those who can hear my voice to
Speaker 1: do this Google search right now. If you ask Google
Speaker 1: the right question, AI will act provide a fairly fascinating answer.
Speaker 1: This is a question I need to ask Google. What
Speaker 1: is the difference between Jesse Jackson juniors constitutional right or
Speaker 1: health care of equal high quality for all Americans and
Speaker 1: the Affordable Care Act and the single payer health care system?
Speaker 1: What is the difference between Jesse Jackson Junior's constitutional amendment
Speaker 1: guaranteeing every American the right to health care of equal
Speaker 1: high quality and the Affordable Care Act and the single
Speaker 1: payer health care system. When you hear the answer, you're
Speaker 1: going to be baffled by what Democrats and Republicans have
Speaker 1: ultimately been doing by calling both of these things rights
Speaker 1: when in fact they are not. The answer will be
Speaker 1: I think nothing less than astounding for those of you
Speaker 1: who have time to just Google search that I'm Jesse
Speaker 1: Jackson Junior listening to Jesse Jackson Junior show we are
Speaker 1: moving this mountain on Monday, the Faith not to fall
Speaker 1: with Reverend Doctor Terry Horde Owens, the President and General
Speaker 1: Minister of the Disciples of Christ Church more on KBLA
Speaker 1: Talk fifteen eighty. When we come forward with Terry Horte Owens,
Speaker 1: I'm Jesse Jackson Junior on this the sixteenth anniversary of
Speaker 1: the earthquake in Haiti where more than three hundred thousand
Speaker 1: people perished. Our hearts, our minds, our bodies, our soul
Speaker 1: and our pocketbooks books should continue to support all of
Speaker 1: these organizations that are doing the work on the ground
Speaker 1: in Haiti. In this the sixteenth anniversary of the most
Speaker 1: devastating earthquake in the country's history. Before the break in,
Speaker 1: before I bring our very special contributor back on, I
Speaker 1: asked the question, what is the difference between Jesse Jackson
Speaker 1: Junior's constitutional right to healthcare of equal high quality and
Speaker 1: the Affordable Care Act and the single payer healthcare system.
Speaker 1: And this is what artificial intelligence says. The primary difference
Speaker 1: is that Jesse Jackson Junior's proposal was for a constitutional
Speaker 1: amendment that would guarantee healthcare as a fundamental enforceable right,
Speaker 1: while the Affordable Care Act is a federal statute that
Speaker 1: uses market mechanisms to expand health insurance access, and a
Speaker 1: single payer system is a specific funding model for universal
Speaker 1: health care that is not currently in the law in
Speaker 1: the United States. The Jackson proposed amendment to the US Constitution,
Speaker 1: which stated that all persons shall enjoy the right to
Speaker 1: health care of equal high quality, was never passed. If ratified,
Speaker 1: it would establish health care as a fundamental, inalienable human right,
Speaker 1: placing an affirmative obligation on the government to ensure its provision,
Speaker 1: potentially overriding state laws, and making equal high quality a
Speaker 1: legal standard. It aimed to create permanent foundation guarantee that
Speaker 1: transcends political changes Democrats, Republicans and various congresses and legislative acts,
Speaker 1: and lastly, but not limited in essence, jackson junior proposal
Speaker 1: was about establishing an unquestionable legal foundation for healthcare as
Speaker 1: a right. While the ACA is just a law that
Speaker 1: increases access to insurance, and a single payer system is
Speaker 1: a funding mechanism for universal coverage. Democrats and Republicans both
Speaker 1: have been missing the point. I'm Jesse Jackson Junior, and
Speaker 1: this is the faith not to fall with Reverend doctor
Speaker 1: Terry Hoard Owens on the Jesse Jackson Junior Show, The
Speaker 1: Jay Lunch Club Program. Reverend Owens, welcome forward to the show.
Speaker 2: Thank you, and I just man. I entered at Google
Speaker 2: search and got a very similar answer. I this is
Speaker 2: perhaps the human rights issue of the next decade. Seriously,
Speaker 2: I just know too much about the workings of healthcare
Speaker 2: insurance and I having worked with it, lived with it,
Speaker 2: helped prosecute fraud in it, et cetera. There's just too
Speaker 2: much that we need to do, and I think guaranteeing
Speaker 2: that right with a constitutional amendment is exactly the step
Speaker 2: that we need to take. The United States remains the
Speaker 2: only quote unquote developed country in the world that does
Speaker 2: not have some kind of comprehensive single payer system. And
Speaker 2: my grandma used to call things that she thought were
Speaker 2: just incompetent, evil, bad. She would just say it's pitiful.
Speaker 2: And I hear Grandma Jesse saying right now, it's pitiful.
Speaker 2: It's just pitiful.
Speaker 1: I think we're going to have a surprise guest on
Speaker 1: the show in just a few moments to comment on
Speaker 1: some thoughts about Haiti. But before we get to that, guest,
Speaker 1: I did want to ask you the question about about
Speaker 1: Donald Trump's efforts to remove the Federal Reserve Board chairman.
Speaker 1: And as you know that it acts mortgages, it impacts
Speaker 1: credit cards, it impacts loans, it impacts everything disproportionately for women,
Speaker 1: particularly African American women, but certainly for the poor in
Speaker 1: our nation payday lending. It impacts every single interest rate
Speaker 1: known to our system. Your concern, Madam President, about the
Speaker 1: idea that the better Reserve Board could end up being
Speaker 1: compromised under the Trump regime.
Speaker 2: My concern is that we know that Trump's concerns are
Speaker 2: not for ordinary people. He seeks to enrich banks and
Speaker 2: other financial institutions who, as we saw with the financial
Speaker 2: crisis that Barack Obama had inherited, part of the problem
Speaker 2: was lack of accountability. I was glad to see mister
Speaker 2: Powell in the news today putting out a statement in
Speaker 2: a video and indicating that he doesn't intend to remain
Speaker 2: silent the longer that corporate and economic interests are complicit,
Speaker 2: either vocally or silently. We stand in with the real
Speaker 2: possibility that are systems of accountability, which is required in
Speaker 2: a democracy. We can't have rights and liberties without balancing
Speaker 2: that with accountability to one another in the broader society.
Speaker 2: So that's my concern and that's my fear. But I
Speaker 2: am grateful to see that mister Powell has come to
Speaker 2: understand that being silent is not right now the diplomatic
Speaker 2: or appropriate thing to do right now. If you believe
Speaker 2: in anything, if you believe in these rules, in these norms,
Speaker 2: in the law, the rule of law, and the Constitution,
Speaker 2: you must speak up or you will be complicit with
Speaker 2: their destruction.
Speaker 1: Our very special guest during this show is now Millie Phaeton.
Speaker 1: Milli is a Jesse Jackson Junior Show number one contributor
Speaker 1: from Hat on the Ground. Milli, how are you.
Speaker 3: I'm doing well, how are you great?
Speaker 1: Thank you million Millie. We have about three minutes before
Speaker 1: we come forward. Can you share with us how the
Speaker 1: people of Haiti are handling this sixteenth anniversary since the
Speaker 1: devastating earthquake.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's always a bittersweet time.
Speaker 4: Obviously, it was definitely a devastating time for the Haitian
Speaker 4: that this war just everywhere across the world, Like Haitians
Speaker 4: are spread across the world, So we remember it every
Speaker 4: January twelfth, especially in light of all that's still happening
Speaker 4: in Haiti today with the gang taken over Port of Prince.
Speaker 3: So you know, we're fighting to get it, get our country.
Speaker 4: Back to what it once was, a place where Haitians
Speaker 4: all over and and and really just all kinds of
Speaker 4: cultures came and enjoyed our country.
Speaker 3: It's a beautiful country.
Speaker 4: If you haven't been, there's still parts of Haiti that
Speaker 4: are very safe to go to, so I encourage everybody
Speaker 4: to visit places. La Capati, which is the second largest
Speaker 4: city in Haiti outside of Porta Prince, still very much
Speaker 4: a city that is welcoming nations and festivals happening all
Speaker 4: the time. But we're fighting to get the capitol back
Speaker 4: to what it once was.
Speaker 1: Billy, you went to Haiti in twenty ten during that period,
Speaker 1: can you share with us what you saw? We have
Speaker 1: about just two minutes before we come forward.
Speaker 4: Yeah, just you know, devastations, I mean all over almost gosh,
Speaker 4: close to three hundred thousand lives lost, about a million
Speaker 4: people displaced, So just a devastating site to see, especially
Speaker 4: and again in a city that was so vibrant at
Speaker 4: one time. But I got to spend about three months there,
Speaker 4: just trying to meet the needs of the people, which
Speaker 4: the biggest needs was was tense and stuff at the time,
Speaker 4: and so you know, we continue to try to send
Speaker 4: resources because obviously it's still a lot a lot of
Speaker 4: people that are displaced now in light of the gang
Speaker 4: activity that's been happening.
Speaker 1: We have about a minute and thirty seconds before we
Speaker 1: come forward, Madam President, Do you have a question of
Speaker 1: Millie Paton?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just want to, I guess perhaps ask how
Speaker 2: best can organizations like mine. I lead a multiracial denomination,
Speaker 2: Disciples of Christ, and we partner with a lot of
Speaker 2: ministries there on the ground, how best can people of
Speaker 2: faith continue to support There's certain organizations you recommend or
Speaker 2: not recommend.
Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely absolutely. I think one of the best organizations
Speaker 4: is Hope for Haiti. You can find them, you know, online.
Speaker 4: And then there's another organization led by doctor Bershud. You
Speaker 4: can find her online too, and I can send the
Speaker 4: links to the show. Those are the two go to
Speaker 4: that I always send people to. They've been vetted, they've
Speaker 4: been just long standing supports and stuff on the ground
Speaker 4: and Haiti way before the earthquake happened and stuff.
Speaker 3: So those are the two that I always send people to.
Speaker 2: Millie.
Speaker 1: I hope you'll stay with us. I'm Jesse Jackson Junior
Speaker 1: listening to the Jesse Jackson Junior Show on k BLA
Speaker 1: Talk fifteen eighty. We're getting a report from the ground
Speaker 1: in Haiti. I know that Millie is probably here in
Speaker 1: the United States at this point. But more on k
Speaker 1: BLA Talk fifteen eighty when we come forward on the
Speaker 1: sixteenth anniversary of the earthquake, earthquake and Katie that killed
Speaker 1: nearly three hundred thousand. Mister Jackson Junior show, this is
Speaker 1: not all with rev and Terry Howard Cohens. He has
Speaker 1: our hash just for another moment or two, maybe you
Speaker 1: have another question you like to.
Speaker 2: Ask, Sure, can you educate us on what's happening with
Speaker 2: Haitians and TPS. What's been the impact of that and
Speaker 2: are there other ways in which we when we engage
Speaker 2: advocacy to change that situation.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that TPS protection it is said to be expiring
Speaker 4: every work.
Speaker 3: So you know, the biggest resources have been attorneys who
Speaker 3: are trained.
Speaker 1: Really, you're breaking up just a little bit. Really, you're
Speaker 1: breaking up just a little bit.
Speaker 4: So that's that's the biggest resource that we need, So
Speaker 4: you know, we're we're asking our community to take don't know.
Speaker 1: I think I think we have a really I think
Speaker 1: we have a connection I'm going to have. But I
Speaker 1: think I think she said that the one of the
Speaker 1: biggest challenges that she has had and they have had
Speaker 1: us with the temporary protective status.
Speaker 2: Did you want to expound upon that, Yeah, And I
Speaker 2: think I heard her say that that legal resources are
Speaker 2: one of the biggest needs, and I think organizations that
Speaker 2: have access to legal resources that can make them available. We,
Speaker 2: for example, have in our denomination and immigration attorney who
Speaker 2: was there to assist persons to at least help them
Speaker 2: trioge their case. They can't handle the full legal workload.
Speaker 2: But I do encourage nonprofits who provide legal assistance in
Speaker 2: the immigration space not to forget Haitians and other populations,
Speaker 2: particularly Haitians who that TPS status has been in place
Speaker 2: for so many years. After fifteen sixteen years, it's hard
Speaker 2: to imagine some folks going back. But legal support for
Speaker 2: folks to help them navigate and increasingly come immigration system
Speaker 2: is going to be really important. And I know that
Speaker 2: organizations like ours will continue to advocate on that that
Speaker 2: TPS status is not removed from the Haitian population. It
Speaker 2: looked like Millie popped back in there for session.
Speaker 1: She did for just a moment. I think you're right.
Speaker 1: That's one of the great human rights issues of our day.
Speaker 1: And when one considers the history of what the Haitian
Speaker 1: people did for the United States, for the United States
Speaker 1: to not be for them at their hour of need
Speaker 1: and it has been sixteen years since their hour of
Speaker 1: need is nothing short of astounding. And it's also a signal,
Speaker 1: I think, Madam President, of the decline of our civilization
Speaker 1: as well. We have not been a good neighbor.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we have not been a good neighbor. And we
Speaker 2: are now explicitly naming countries where black and brown people
Speaker 2: are in the majority, which is most of the world
Speaker 2: actually as s whole country we have. Uh, we're more willing,
Speaker 2: not that there's anything wrong with the wars that are
Speaker 2: happening in Ukrainian Russia. We're more concerned about Europe than
Speaker 2: we are about countries in Africa in the Caribbean that
Speaker 2: have been exploited for their natural resources. I watched a
Speaker 2: little of the hearing or meeting. I guess that the
Speaker 2: Trump was having with oil executives, and it just really
Speaker 2: sickened you to hear conversations about what they were ready
Speaker 2: to bring in and what they were ready to do,
Speaker 2: and this charade of oh, we're going to sell the oil.
Speaker 2: You know, the Venezuela people are still going to have
Speaker 2: access to those profits. They are going to make a
Speaker 2: lot of money. And that's at the heart of these issues.
Speaker 2: Can I still make money off of Haiti? If not,
Speaker 2: I'm not concerned. Can I still make money off of Sedan?
Speaker 2: If not? We don't have economic interests. Human interests were
Speaker 2: not as concerned about. And that's been the big shift
Speaker 2: of the Trump administration to take the US away from
Speaker 2: its marginal I mean, USAID was major, but we've always
Speaker 2: had to fight to make the United States accountable for
Speaker 2: human rights around the world. But at least that's what
Speaker 2: we said we were, and we tried to do some
Speaker 2: of that work, and now we're just like, well, we
Speaker 2: don't care, and that's okay. It's just not okay. We're
Speaker 2: going to pay a huge price across the world for
Speaker 2: our failure to be true to who we say we are.
Speaker 1: Madam President, our producer has just shared with us that
Speaker 1: she has a clip from the Golden Globes that she'd
Speaker 1: like to play right now.
Speaker 5: Disrespect invites disrespect, Violence incites violence. When they powerful use
Speaker 5: their position to bully others, we all lose. It was
Speaker 5: that moment when the person asking to sin in the
Speaker 5: most respected seat in our country imitated a disabled reporter,
Speaker 5: someone he outranked in privilege, power and the capacity to
Speaker 5: fight back. It kind of broke my heart when I
Speaker 5: saw it, and I still can't get it out of
Speaker 5: my head because it wasn't in a movie. It was
Speaker 5: real life, and it's instinct to humiliate. When it's modeled
Speaker 5: by someone in the public platform, by someone powerful, it
Speaker 5: filters down into everybody's life because it kind of gives
Speaker 5: permission for other people to do the same thing.
Speaker 1: Madam President, we have about four minutes before before the
Speaker 1: end of our show.
Speaker 2: I have seen I remember even even watching Meryl Street,
Speaker 2: but she said that people in power giving permission to
Speaker 2: violate norms, to violate a human rights, to use language,
Speaker 2: to just simply not care anymore. We're saying all across
Speaker 2: our country language and actions. You know, people are saying
Speaker 2: the quiet part out loud. Racism had for many years
Speaker 2: at least you couldn't say certain things, You couldn't openly
Speaker 2: believe or declare your belief for certain things. And now
Speaker 2: it's okay. You don't have to be in hushrooms or
Speaker 2: say them in quiet text to one another. It's okay
Speaker 2: to say it out loud. And we're spouting off scripture,
Speaker 2: but we're practicing hate and we're cloaking it all in
Speaker 2: some form of perverted What people are claiming is Christianity
Speaker 2: but violates everything that Jesus ever taught that as a
Speaker 2: Christian minister is the most vile part of this is
Speaker 2: that the way in which people are behaving, they're out
Speaker 2: of one half of their mouth. It's viewing hate and
Speaker 2: and disregard for one another. And now the other side
Speaker 2: of the mouth claiming to be Christian, holding Bibles upside
Speaker 2: down and standing with with I'm not sure who these
Speaker 2: people are or who these ministers are that would that
Speaker 2: would lay hands on Trump and claim that he's a
Speaker 2: messenger from God. It's it's it's sickening, it really is,
Speaker 2: because it's it's just not right. And we have to
Speaker 2: be able to call these things uh and and name
Speaker 2: what they are, and they're foul they're evil. I have
Speaker 2: little y'all have to pray for me. Uh in these
Speaker 2: last five years of my term. I've got a lot
Speaker 2: of people in my church who agree with what Trump
Speaker 2: is doing, and we have denominations like mine. We uh
Speaker 2: in my perusal or trolling if you will, social media
Speaker 2: while I'm on sabbatical, we did sign off on a
Speaker 2: joint letter between the Unit Church of Christ and Disciples
Speaker 2: of Christ a poe what happened in Venezuela. And there's
Speaker 2: all kinds of comments. The church should not be evolved
Speaker 2: in politics. This is political. I don't know what's become
Speaker 2: of our denomination. This leadership is taking us down the
Speaker 2: wrong path. There were lots of people in support of it,
Speaker 2: but there are still people who believe that being Christian
Speaker 2: being silent and just not having anything to do with
Speaker 2: what's happening to human beings. Jesus chose to read from
Speaker 2: Isaiah sixty one. Spirit of the Lord is upon me
Speaker 2: to set at liberty those are who are captive. Jesus
Speaker 2: said his job was to free the oppressed, take care
Speaker 2: of poor people, and to create a different society. Jesus
Speaker 2: chose that and said that so I've got to follow
Speaker 2: what Jesus says, and I think that's where hope must lie.
Speaker 2: Of all people of faith would be true to who
Speaker 2: they say they are and build coalitions, and like we've
Speaker 2: ever seen before, there is hope that we can turn
Speaker 2: this thing around. But we can't be silent. We can't
Speaker 2: be silent, Madam President. Happy New Year, Happy New Year, Sir.
Speaker 1: I'm so looking forward to the year that we're going
Speaker 1: to spend with Reverend Terry hord Owens over the course
Speaker 1: of the new year right here on Mondays and the
Speaker 1: Faith not to Fall. I'm Jesse Jackson Jr. You've been
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