1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:02,919 Speaker 1: Jesse Jackson Junior. Welcome forward to the Jesse Jackson Junior Show. 2 00:00:02,919 --> 00:00:08,800 This is Moving Mountain Mondays with none of the de 3 00:00:08,880 --> 00:00:13,439 Reverend Terry Hoard Owens, General Minister and President of the 4 00:00:13,519 --> 00:00:17,440 Christian Church Disciples of Christ in the United States and Canada. 5 00:00:18,719 --> 00:00:21,600 An author and advocate for the church living on its calling. 6 00:00:22,000 --> 00:00:24,960 She is the first person of color and second woman 7 00:00:25,359 --> 00:00:29,079 to lead the denomination since her election in twenty seventeen. 8 00:00:29,440 --> 00:00:33,840 Reverend Hoard Owens's ministry actively reflects the Disciples priority of 9 00:00:33,880 --> 00:00:38,039 being an anti racist church, being a movement for wholeness, 10 00:00:38,079 --> 00:00:42,880 welcoming all to the Lord as God has welcomed us, 11 00:00:43,280 --> 00:00:46,359 keeping with the disciples historic commitment to Christian unity. She 12 00:00:46,479 --> 00:00:49,399 serves in leadership at the National Council of Churches as 13 00:00:49,439 --> 00:00:52,320 the Treasurer of the Governing Board and a member of 14 00:00:52,399 --> 00:00:57,000 the World Council of Church's Central Committee. Madam President, Welcome 15 00:00:57,000 --> 00:00:59,560 forward to the Jesse Jackson Junior Show and to your show, 16 00:01:00,079 --> 00:01:02,640 Faith not the Fall on Moving Mountain Mondays. 17 00:01:03,479 --> 00:01:05,680 Speaker 2: Good afternoon, so good to be with you. 18 00:01:06,239 --> 00:01:10,560 Speaker 1: It's always a pleasure, Madam President. Some really interesting news 19 00:01:10,560 --> 00:01:16,079 coming out of the Gates Foundation. Bill Gates has set 20 00:01:16,120 --> 00:01:20,319 a timeline and a time limit on the United States 21 00:01:20,400 --> 00:01:24,400 and the world within the next five years, entering into 22 00:01:25,719 --> 00:01:30,040 a dark age. You can imagine the Dark Ages was 23 00:01:30,120 --> 00:01:36,159 a very, very difficult period for Christianity, Christianity, for theology, 24 00:01:36,239 --> 00:01:41,319 and for world religious systems. Madam President, your thoughts on 25 00:01:41,359 --> 00:01:44,400 the prediction of Bill Gates. 26 00:01:44,400 --> 00:01:48,560 Speaker 2: Sadly, I think there is far too much truth in it. 27 00:01:50,280 --> 00:01:55,519 His own efforts have, for example, really reduced the threat 28 00:01:55,560 --> 00:02:01,359 of malaria in parts of the world that are underdeveloped economically. 29 00:02:02,719 --> 00:02:06,599 USAID people talk about it being a form of soft power. 30 00:02:06,760 --> 00:02:10,479 It was one of the key agencies that our church's 31 00:02:11,319 --> 00:02:16,039 ministries worked with around the world, and it may have 32 00:02:16,080 --> 00:02:21,439 been December of twenty three, I guess it was. I 33 00:02:21,479 --> 00:02:25,520 spent a day in DC actually working with a lot 34 00:02:25,560 --> 00:02:29,360 of faith based organizations and folks for USAID, kind of 35 00:02:29,360 --> 00:02:36,719 doing some lobbying around worldwide, aid to Haiti, Sudan, Ethiopia, 36 00:02:37,400 --> 00:02:42,479 so many places where we are seeing children literally starving 37 00:02:42,520 --> 00:02:47,280 to death, where very simple things like a peanut paste 38 00:02:47,360 --> 00:02:51,000 right that just a few licks of that would be 39 00:02:51,080 --> 00:02:56,039 able to help nourish babies around the world. We do 40 00:02:56,159 --> 00:03:04,840 not prioritize being kind and saving the lives of humans 41 00:03:04,919 --> 00:03:08,639 around the world unless there is some sort of economic 42 00:03:08,719 --> 00:03:12,719 benefit to the United States. We talked last week about 43 00:03:12,719 --> 00:03:17,080 how you know. Marco Rubio even said, this is about 44 00:03:17,159 --> 00:03:21,759 America's interests first and then the people of Venezuela. So 45 00:03:22,240 --> 00:03:25,439 we are willing to let people around the world die. 46 00:03:25,719 --> 00:03:30,080 Children in particular will be most impacted if the United 47 00:03:30,159 --> 00:03:36,080 States can't see its own economic interests being privileged. We've 48 00:03:36,120 --> 00:03:41,280 gone from understanding that our humanity to other human kind 49 00:03:41,840 --> 00:03:45,199 is one of the ways that we can even project 50 00:03:45,240 --> 00:03:48,639 and promote our own influence to saying it's not worth 51 00:03:49,360 --> 00:03:54,039 the money we need to send bombs and planes and 52 00:03:54,280 --> 00:03:57,560 ice agents in order to establish who we are, and 53 00:03:57,599 --> 00:04:01,639 we no longer care about what's happened. It's I don't 54 00:04:01,680 --> 00:04:04,280 think we're too far from it, Madam President. 55 00:04:04,319 --> 00:04:07,319 Speaker 1: When you think about the two hundred and fifty year 56 00:04:07,439 --> 00:04:12,639 anniversary of the Declaration of Independence, and of course the 57 00:04:12,680 --> 00:04:16,839 magnificent words Martin Luther King Junior referred to penmanship of 58 00:04:16,920 --> 00:04:20,360 Thomas Jefferson that all men are created equal, and of 59 00:04:20,399 --> 00:04:24,199 course Elizabeth Caddy Statton, men's that language to say all 60 00:04:24,319 --> 00:04:29,000 men and women are created equal. And you look at 61 00:04:29,000 --> 00:04:32,639 the if you will the zenith of the American experiment, 62 00:04:32,839 --> 00:04:36,279 experiment with all that it's been through, maybe the zenith 63 00:04:36,319 --> 00:04:39,120 is from nineteen fifty four to the election of Barack Obama, 64 00:04:39,759 --> 00:04:45,360 and now we're already talking about dark age. I'm wondering 65 00:04:46,120 --> 00:04:51,079 in this moment, is a dark age avoidable or is it, 66 00:04:51,240 --> 00:04:53,639 from your perspective, inevitable. 67 00:04:55,680 --> 00:04:58,199 Speaker 2: I don't think it's inevitable. But it will require a 68 00:04:58,240 --> 00:05:01,160 lot of us, a lot that we're really not used 69 00:05:01,199 --> 00:05:07,920 to giving. It will require a kind of coalescence, different 70 00:05:08,000 --> 00:05:10,879 kinds of coalitions then we're used to building, both those 71 00:05:10,920 --> 00:05:13,399 that have served us well in the past, but new 72 00:05:13,519 --> 00:05:18,160 kinds of coalitions, and it will require even the courage 73 00:05:18,920 --> 00:05:26,480 I think, particularly of corporate interests. Bill Gates has been 74 00:05:27,000 --> 00:05:32,920 amazingly silent about the evil that we've been seeing coming 75 00:05:32,920 --> 00:05:36,279 out of the Trump administration, and he will talk about 76 00:05:36,279 --> 00:05:39,199 this impact of money around the world. But if he 77 00:05:39,279 --> 00:05:44,240 and other corporate leaders were to coalesce and to say 78 00:05:44,439 --> 00:05:48,800 that what we stand for, even as economic engines in 79 00:05:48,839 --> 00:05:53,319 this country, is that we want to have positive impacts 80 00:05:53,360 --> 00:05:55,680 on the communities that we serve. We want to have 81 00:05:55,800 --> 00:05:59,639 positive impacts on the communities around the world. Because it's 82 00:06:00,079 --> 00:06:04,199 self serving really to want a healthy world in order 83 00:06:04,279 --> 00:06:09,079 to build a healthy world markets, but I don't see 84 00:06:09,199 --> 00:06:12,399 corporations and being strong enough to come and say that. 85 00:06:12,439 --> 00:06:14,959 We have to shake up a lot of church folk, 86 00:06:15,040 --> 00:06:17,759 a lot of people of faith and all traditions who 87 00:06:17,920 --> 00:06:20,600 are afraid to speak out saying all the church shouldn't 88 00:06:20,639 --> 00:06:24,399 be involved in politics. We've got to build coalitions in 89 00:06:24,439 --> 00:06:25,879 a way we've never built them before. 90 00:06:26,120 --> 00:06:28,600 Speaker 1: I'm Jesse Jackson Jr. This is moving Mountain Mondays and 91 00:06:28,639 --> 00:06:31,720 the Faith not the Fall with Reverend Terry Hoard Owens. 92 00:06:31,759 --> 00:06:34,079 More coming forward on k B l a Talk fifteen 93 00:06:34,079 --> 00:06:36,439 to eighty with the President and General Minister of the 94 00:06:36,519 --> 00:06:39,439 Christian Church, the Disciples of Christ in the United States 95 00:06:39,439 --> 00:06:41,199 and Canada. More when we come forward on k B 96 00:06:41,279 --> 00:06:44,319 Late Talk fifteen to eighty. I'm Jesse Jackson Jr. Welcome 97 00:06:44,360 --> 00:06:46,759 back to the Jesse Jackson Junior Show on k BY 98 00:06:46,839 --> 00:06:53,560 Lay Talk fifteen eighty. Madam President, Reverend Teresa Terry hord 99 00:06:53,600 --> 00:06:56,920 Owens is the President and General Minister of the Disciples 100 00:06:56,920 --> 00:07:00,279 of Christ Church here in the United States and in Canada. 101 00:07:00,399 --> 00:07:04,040 Is our very special contributing host during this period. Madam President, 102 00:07:04,040 --> 00:07:04,920 welcome forward to the show. 103 00:07:05,439 --> 00:07:07,439 Speaker 2: Well, thank you, it's always good to be here. 104 00:07:08,079 --> 00:07:10,399 Speaker 1: Madam President. I don't think there's a person with a 105 00:07:10,439 --> 00:07:14,360 bigger heart in the philanthropic community than Bill Gates. He 106 00:07:14,560 --> 00:07:19,279 just gave his wife an additional eight billion dollars to 107 00:07:19,519 --> 00:07:25,040 her private finance, to her private philanthropic foundation, in large 108 00:07:25,079 --> 00:07:30,040 measure because he is particularly proud and excited about the 109 00:07:30,079 --> 00:07:33,319 resources that she has been providing to historically black colleges 110 00:07:33,399 --> 00:07:38,439 and universities and making missus Gates's foundation one of the 111 00:07:38,519 --> 00:07:49,120 premier funding mechanisms for black education, black college and advancement, 112 00:07:49,720 --> 00:07:52,079 not only in the United States, but quite frankly in 113 00:07:52,160 --> 00:07:56,160 the history of the world. Your thoughts on this season 114 00:07:56,360 --> 00:07:59,480 of giving, particularly in light of the DOGE cuts and 115 00:07:59,800 --> 00:08:03,079 administration that seems to be turning its back on its 116 00:08:03,360 --> 00:08:08,199 historical commitments to overcome negative action against minorities. 117 00:08:09,399 --> 00:08:16,160 Speaker 2: I'm thrilled with not only Melinda Gates, but also for 118 00:08:16,439 --> 00:08:23,040 her ability to leverage that divorce get to get what 119 00:08:23,279 --> 00:08:25,399 she needed. There was a line in that that old 120 00:08:25,480 --> 00:08:29,560 movie The First Wives Club, where Evonna Trump is uh 121 00:08:30,399 --> 00:08:33,279 has just divorced Donald Trump. As she's telling these women 122 00:08:33,320 --> 00:08:35,720 in the movie what to do, she says don't get 123 00:08:35,799 --> 00:08:43,120 even get everything. Uh And I feel that uh Melinda 124 00:08:43,120 --> 00:08:46,120 Gates here, she didn't get everything, but she got what 125 00:08:46,200 --> 00:08:49,120 she needed and what her focus was on. And of 126 00:08:49,159 --> 00:08:54,320 course what she's already done with HBCU contributions is certainly 127 00:08:54,840 --> 00:09:00,679 uh stellar, building up not only the sustainability of those institutions, 128 00:09:00,759 --> 00:09:06,120 but reinforcing the notion that those institutions are legitimate educational 129 00:09:06,120 --> 00:09:12,879 institutions in our country and are necessary to a healthy society. 130 00:09:13,320 --> 00:09:17,360 And Bill learned about philanthropy from Warren Buffett, who apparently 131 00:09:17,399 --> 00:09:21,840 just recently retired I think last week, and Warren is 132 00:09:22,440 --> 00:09:27,679 given away, you know, most of his wealth. Scott, what's 133 00:09:27,679 --> 00:09:32,480 her name, Melinda Scott, Jeff Bezos's ex wife, also has 134 00:09:32,519 --> 00:09:38,120 been making huge gifts with the settlements that and the 135 00:09:38,120 --> 00:09:42,440 money that she's obtained in the divorces. So we don't 136 00:09:42,480 --> 00:09:46,000 have enough capacity, I don't think, as I tell people 137 00:09:46,039 --> 00:09:48,720 all the time, the faith community cannot fill these gaps. 138 00:09:49,000 --> 00:09:52,200 We don't have that kind of capacity. And maybe multiple 139 00:09:52,240 --> 00:09:57,120 Bill Gates might come close to doing this, but again 140 00:09:57,159 --> 00:10:02,279 we've got to have coalitions and courageous people. Statistics tell 141 00:10:02,360 --> 00:10:05,720 us there are more billionaires than ever before, but where 142 00:10:05,759 --> 00:10:10,399 are their priorities. Are they building ultra megayachts the way 143 00:10:10,480 --> 00:10:13,720 Jeff Bezos is doing. What are they doing with their money? 144 00:10:13,759 --> 00:10:20,240 How are they focusing their bounty for the good of others, 145 00:10:20,320 --> 00:10:24,399 which really serves us all. We've lost that sense of 146 00:10:25,559 --> 00:10:28,679 My pastor Indianapolis used to say, Lord, Lord, make me 147 00:10:28,799 --> 00:10:32,679 rich so I can bless somebody. And I promise you 148 00:10:32,759 --> 00:10:35,879 if I were rich, that's exactly what I would do. 149 00:10:35,919 --> 00:10:39,120 But we've lost those values that would say, let me 150 00:10:39,200 --> 00:10:42,000 take what I have because God has blessed me, allowed 151 00:10:42,000 --> 00:10:44,519 me to be a blessing. And even if you don't 152 00:10:44,559 --> 00:10:48,360 have a faith perspective, just the idea of sharing and 153 00:10:48,440 --> 00:10:53,440 doing what is good for your common humanity. If we 154 00:10:53,480 --> 00:10:58,080 had more million billionaires, like the fact that you can 155 00:10:58,159 --> 00:11:02,360 give away eight billion and still okay that is that's 156 00:11:02,480 --> 00:11:06,440 just amazing. It wouldn't take that much to replace a 157 00:11:06,480 --> 00:11:08,840 lot of what's happening with Doge. But if more of 158 00:11:08,879 --> 00:11:12,879 these people have these kinds of priorities, we could do it. 159 00:11:12,919 --> 00:11:16,799 The faith community, churches doing what they can in their neighborhoods. 160 00:11:16,799 --> 00:11:17,799 It's just not enough. 161 00:11:18,360 --> 00:11:22,919 Speaker 1: You know, I am in the civil religion of the 162 00:11:23,000 --> 00:11:26,519 United States. I see paying taxes as a form of tithing. 163 00:11:27,840 --> 00:11:32,480 So it's very hard for me to let the entire 164 00:11:32,600 --> 00:11:37,080 burden for all that's wrong in society to be left 165 00:11:37,080 --> 00:11:40,600 to any five ozho one c three, let alone multi 166 00:11:40,679 --> 00:11:42,720 billion dollar five oh one seed threes. And I'm not 167 00:11:42,759 --> 00:11:45,759 suggesting or knocking that they're not doing good work. If 168 00:11:45,759 --> 00:11:52,600 Melinda Gates called me tomorrow I set up a black college, yes, 169 00:11:53,000 --> 00:11:55,519 I'd be very grateful, and you could do that well, sir, 170 00:11:55,559 --> 00:11:58,559 you could do that or point her in the direction 171 00:11:58,600 --> 00:12:00,720 of some that need to be funded. But to my pool, 172 00:12:01,799 --> 00:12:05,879 when I pay my taxes, you know, I expect the 173 00:12:05,879 --> 00:12:10,039 government to feed hungry people with it. I mean, you know. 174 00:12:10,440 --> 00:12:12,480 Warnock says that a vote is a kind of prayer 175 00:12:12,480 --> 00:12:15,320 that we cast for the world that we want to build. 176 00:12:15,320 --> 00:12:18,519 But that's the way I see taxes. I see taxes 177 00:12:18,600 --> 00:12:25,159 as a form of paying it forward, building good schools, 178 00:12:25,279 --> 00:12:32,679 teaching children multiple languages. My contribution to civilization are the 179 00:12:32,799 --> 00:12:36,480 taxes that I pay. I did not pay, And maybe 180 00:12:36,519 --> 00:12:39,159 we should find a way to designate what is in 181 00:12:40,080 --> 00:12:43,360 where my tax dollar goes. For example, I did not 182 00:12:43,519 --> 00:12:47,919 want my tax dollars to build the Gerald R Forward 183 00:12:49,080 --> 00:12:51,840 US aircraft carrier, the largest in the world, and presently 184 00:12:51,840 --> 00:12:56,639 in the career, I'd like my money to go towards 185 00:12:57,519 --> 00:12:59,919 providing for the least of these people who don't have much. 186 00:13:00,679 --> 00:13:05,360 And so increasingly we are relying upon the private sector 187 00:13:05,440 --> 00:13:09,320 to do what government of for and by the people 188 00:13:09,440 --> 00:13:12,039 is supposed to do to keep our country civilized. Do 189 00:13:12,120 --> 00:13:12,919 that makes sense. 190 00:13:14,200 --> 00:13:19,000 Speaker 2: Absolutely, And the reason that our budgets are in such 191 00:13:19,240 --> 00:13:25,120 great deficits, federal budgets is because this wealthy and ultra 192 00:13:25,159 --> 00:13:30,679 wealthy are not paying their fair share. We have enough 193 00:13:30,679 --> 00:13:33,320 in this country, as you say all the time, the 194 00:13:33,360 --> 00:13:35,960 wealthiest country in the history of the world. If everyone 195 00:13:36,039 --> 00:13:41,000 pays their share, their proportionate share, we have enough so 196 00:13:41,039 --> 00:13:44,879 that people can earn jobs that allow them to provide 197 00:13:44,919 --> 00:13:48,080 for their families, that allow them to live in housing 198 00:13:48,159 --> 00:13:52,320 that's safe and clean and comfortable, warm in the winter, 199 00:13:52,440 --> 00:13:57,000 cold in the summer. To send children to public schools 200 00:13:57,039 --> 00:14:01,320 that don't vary in terms of resource is based on 201 00:14:01,320 --> 00:14:04,919 your zip code. You know. I have a family member 202 00:14:04,960 --> 00:14:08,360 who lived in Northbrook and they took their child out 203 00:14:08,360 --> 00:14:10,799 of a Christian school and put them in a public school. 204 00:14:10,840 --> 00:14:13,320 And it's like, oh, my goodness, Northbrook. Here we are. 205 00:14:13,399 --> 00:14:16,919 Every child gets a chromebook. Every child. Oh, public school 206 00:14:17,000 --> 00:14:20,200 is great. I said, public school depends on where you live. 207 00:14:20,639 --> 00:14:24,200 It's wonderful in Northbrook. But take a neighborhood in Englewood 208 00:14:24,720 --> 00:14:29,039 six six to eight zip code. I hear these days 209 00:14:29,039 --> 00:14:31,639 they may get chromebooks, but they don't have all the 210 00:14:31,720 --> 00:14:34,639 science facilities, they don't have the books. They can't pay 211 00:14:34,679 --> 00:14:38,639 the teachers that they need. They're robbing Peter to pay Paul. 212 00:14:38,679 --> 00:14:42,159 Every time we turn around, and other neighborhoods, the kids are. 213 00:14:42,600 --> 00:14:46,240 It's an embarrassment of riches. That's not what this country 214 00:14:46,799 --> 00:14:50,600 was built on, they say. Right, So I'm always saying, 215 00:14:50,639 --> 00:14:52,720 let's be who we say we are. Let's be the 216 00:14:52,799 --> 00:14:55,519 church we say we are, Let's be the country we 217 00:14:55,600 --> 00:14:59,799 say we are. But everybody should be paying their fair share. 218 00:15:00,399 --> 00:15:04,600 And if nothing else, to see it as a return 219 00:15:05,320 --> 00:15:08,759 for the opportunities that you say, oh, everybody can make 220 00:15:08,759 --> 00:15:11,919 it the United States. Well for those opportunities, you go 221 00:15:12,039 --> 00:15:14,559 it back to this society to make sure that everyone 222 00:15:14,639 --> 00:15:18,559 else has those same opportunities. Better. 223 00:15:18,639 --> 00:15:23,960 Speaker 1: President, speaking of opportunities, just a few months ago, or 224 00:15:23,960 --> 00:15:25,720 a little less than a month ago, we saw eight 225 00:15:25,759 --> 00:15:30,919 Democrats essentially bolt the Democratic Party to end the government 226 00:15:30,960 --> 00:15:35,840 shutdown to the dismay of the resistance movement in the 227 00:15:35,919 --> 00:15:39,799 United States, to ensure that the Affordable Care Act would 228 00:15:39,799 --> 00:15:44,399 not be sidelined. An interesting coalition of Democrats and Republicans 229 00:15:44,399 --> 00:15:49,120 came together to pass the Affordable Care Act in the 230 00:15:49,159 --> 00:15:52,919 House of Representatives with a three year extension this past week, 231 00:15:54,000 --> 00:16:02,039 and now we have GOP senators reviving Obamacare and calling 232 00:16:02,200 --> 00:16:07,759 it putting America first. Ernest Krim in the last hour said, 233 00:16:07,759 --> 00:16:11,960 what a difference to day makes your thought on the 234 00:16:11,960 --> 00:16:15,200 new movement amongst Republicans and where you think the heat 235 00:16:15,240 --> 00:16:15,919 is coming from. 236 00:16:17,240 --> 00:16:21,639 Speaker 2: I think the heat is coming from their constituents long ago, 237 00:16:21,960 --> 00:16:26,759 when people were lobbying and advocating against. I call it 238 00:16:26,799 --> 00:16:29,240 the horrible awful bill, not the big beautiful bill, the 239 00:16:29,279 --> 00:16:33,799 horrible awful bill. Statistics tell us that by the numbers, 240 00:16:33,879 --> 00:16:37,399 First of all, there are more people on Medicaid than 241 00:16:37,440 --> 00:16:40,039 there are black people. It's the percentage of black people 242 00:16:40,120 --> 00:16:43,200 on Medicaid that draws the attention. But there are more 243 00:16:43,240 --> 00:16:47,080 people in red states who are being hurt by the 244 00:16:47,200 --> 00:16:52,679 removal of these subsidies. In this ridiculous exponential increase in 245 00:16:52,759 --> 00:16:56,159 healthcare premiums, and I think it is their own people 246 00:16:57,120 --> 00:17:00,919 who are finally getting through to them to help them 247 00:17:01,000 --> 00:17:05,119 understand that this is not a Democrat or Republican issue. 248 00:17:05,119 --> 00:17:07,119 It's not a right or left issue. This is a 249 00:17:07,200 --> 00:17:11,240 matter of right versus wrong and people being able to 250 00:17:11,319 --> 00:17:14,319 have health care because if people can't go to the doctor, 251 00:17:14,960 --> 00:17:18,960 people are paying thousands of dollars in premiums and can't 252 00:17:19,000 --> 00:17:22,079 go to the doctor, can't get their medication. I mean, 253 00:17:22,079 --> 00:17:24,359 if I didn't have health care, I'm a diabetic, I 254 00:17:24,400 --> 00:17:27,240 would be able to afford the medication that I have 255 00:17:27,359 --> 00:17:29,799 to take if I had to just pay it out 256 00:17:29,799 --> 00:17:33,559 of my own out of my own pocket. You know, 257 00:17:33,720 --> 00:17:37,039 insulent some forms of insulin cost one thousand dollars a 258 00:17:37,119 --> 00:17:41,920 month without And as much as people talk about ozempic 259 00:17:41,960 --> 00:17:46,319 for weight loss, that drug was initially approved for diabetics 260 00:17:46,319 --> 00:17:48,640 and you couldn't get it because people could pay the 261 00:17:48,680 --> 00:17:52,359 one thousand dollars for weight loss. We're getting it, but 262 00:17:53,079 --> 00:17:57,079 we've really got to listen and the people have to 263 00:17:57,119 --> 00:18:00,279 start speaking up. And I think that's what's happened with 264 00:18:00,319 --> 00:18:04,640 some of these GOP senators who are finally hearing and 265 00:18:04,680 --> 00:18:07,519 paying attention. I heard Ernest say in the first hour, 266 00:18:07,599 --> 00:18:11,160 it is the Affordable Care Act. They called it Obamacare 267 00:18:11,839 --> 00:18:14,319 in order to try to denigrate it. But it's the 268 00:18:14,359 --> 00:18:17,079 Affordable Care Act, and if there are issues with it, 269 00:18:17,119 --> 00:18:19,920 then they've never offered a solution. As much as they've 270 00:18:19,960 --> 00:18:22,799 tried to destroy it, they haven't offered anything to make 271 00:18:22,799 --> 00:18:27,279 it better. Health Care insurance in this country was designed 272 00:18:27,319 --> 00:18:29,839 as a force for good. It was never designed to 273 00:18:29,960 --> 00:18:33,640 create profit for health insurance companies. And having spent some 274 00:18:33,680 --> 00:18:37,000 time with the Blue Cross Blue Shield system, I repent 275 00:18:37,079 --> 00:18:39,240 because there was a time when I would get bonuses, 276 00:18:39,960 --> 00:18:44,720 I would get bonuses healthcare. I was there during that 277 00:18:44,799 --> 00:18:47,480 time when Blue Cross went from being a nonprofit to 278 00:18:47,599 --> 00:18:51,839 a for profit enterprise all across the country, with Anthem 279 00:18:51,920 --> 00:18:56,440 being the initiator of consolidating a lot of these Blue 280 00:18:56,440 --> 00:19:00,799 Cross plans and moving towards for profit. We've got to 281 00:19:01,480 --> 00:19:04,680 also not just pass laws for subsidies. We've got to 282 00:19:04,720 --> 00:19:06,599 do some tough work. And again, this is what's going 283 00:19:06,640 --> 00:19:11,279 to call for some courageous corporate citizens to understand we 284 00:19:11,359 --> 00:19:15,720 got to change the healthcare system in order to make 285 00:19:15,759 --> 00:19:19,319 it affordable for the American people. It should not be 286 00:19:19,440 --> 00:19:22,920 the case that people are making billions and billions of 287 00:19:23,079 --> 00:19:26,839 dollars on the backs of people who can't afford to 288 00:19:26,920 --> 00:19:28,000 go to their doctor. 289 00:19:28,519 --> 00:19:30,519 Speaker 1: I was reflecting upon the work that I did while 290 00:19:30,519 --> 00:19:33,759 I was in Congress, and I did this Google search, 291 00:19:34,559 --> 00:19:37,240 and I'm encouraging those who can hear my voice to 292 00:19:37,400 --> 00:19:42,240 do this Google search right now. If you ask Google 293 00:19:42,440 --> 00:19:47,680 the right question, AI will act provide a fairly fascinating answer. 294 00:19:48,000 --> 00:19:52,279 This is a question I need to ask Google. What 295 00:19:52,960 --> 00:19:59,920 is the difference between Jesse Jackson juniors constitutional right or 296 00:20:00,119 --> 00:20:05,359 health care of equal high quality for all Americans and 297 00:20:06,279 --> 00:20:12,400 the Affordable Care Act and the single payer health care system? 298 00:20:13,960 --> 00:20:19,920 What is the difference between Jesse Jackson Junior's constitutional amendment 299 00:20:20,839 --> 00:20:24,240 guaranteeing every American the right to health care of equal 300 00:20:24,279 --> 00:20:31,440 high quality and the Affordable Care Act and the single 301 00:20:31,480 --> 00:20:35,480 payer health care system. When you hear the answer, you're 302 00:20:35,519 --> 00:20:40,680 going to be baffled by what Democrats and Republicans have 303 00:20:40,960 --> 00:20:44,880 ultimately been doing by calling both of these things rights 304 00:20:44,880 --> 00:20:47,640 when in fact they are not. The answer will be 305 00:20:47,720 --> 00:20:49,720 I think nothing less than astounding for those of you 306 00:20:50,160 --> 00:20:52,920 who have time to just Google search that I'm Jesse 307 00:20:53,039 --> 00:20:55,720 Jackson Junior listening to Jesse Jackson Junior show we are 308 00:20:56,400 --> 00:20:59,319 moving this mountain on Monday, the Faith not to fall 309 00:20:59,359 --> 00:21:03,279 with Reverend Doctor Terry Horde Owens, the President and General 310 00:21:03,359 --> 00:21:06,839 Minister of the Disciples of Christ Church more on KBLA 311 00:21:07,000 --> 00:21:11,079 Talk fifteen eighty. When we come forward with Terry Horte Owens, 312 00:21:11,200 --> 00:21:14,400 I'm Jesse Jackson Junior on this the sixteenth anniversary of 313 00:21:14,759 --> 00:21:18,240 the earthquake in Haiti where more than three hundred thousand 314 00:21:18,519 --> 00:21:22,279 people perished. Our hearts, our minds, our bodies, our soul 315 00:21:22,440 --> 00:21:26,599 and our pocketbooks books should continue to support all of 316 00:21:26,640 --> 00:21:29,039 these organizations that are doing the work on the ground 317 00:21:29,079 --> 00:21:32,640 in Haiti. In this the sixteenth anniversary of the most 318 00:21:32,680 --> 00:21:35,960 devastating earthquake in the country's history. Before the break in, 319 00:21:36,079 --> 00:21:38,599 before I bring our very special contributor back on, I 320 00:21:38,640 --> 00:21:41,640 asked the question, what is the difference between Jesse Jackson 321 00:21:41,720 --> 00:21:44,720 Junior's constitutional right to healthcare of equal high quality and 322 00:21:44,759 --> 00:21:47,920 the Affordable Care Act and the single payer healthcare system. 323 00:21:47,920 --> 00:21:52,599 And this is what artificial intelligence says. The primary difference 324 00:21:52,680 --> 00:21:56,079 is that Jesse Jackson Junior's proposal was for a constitutional 325 00:21:56,119 --> 00:22:01,079 amendment that would guarantee healthcare as a fundamental enforceable right, 326 00:22:01,640 --> 00:22:05,079 while the Affordable Care Act is a federal statute that 327 00:22:05,319 --> 00:22:09,799 uses market mechanisms to expand health insurance access, and a 328 00:22:09,839 --> 00:22:13,960 single payer system is a specific funding model for universal 329 00:22:13,960 --> 00:22:16,519 health care that is not currently in the law in 330 00:22:16,559 --> 00:22:21,240 the United States. The Jackson proposed amendment to the US Constitution, 331 00:22:22,000 --> 00:22:25,240 which stated that all persons shall enjoy the right to 332 00:22:25,279 --> 00:22:29,160 health care of equal high quality, was never passed. If ratified, 333 00:22:29,200 --> 00:22:33,680 it would establish health care as a fundamental, inalienable human right, 334 00:22:34,359 --> 00:22:39,079 placing an affirmative obligation on the government to ensure its provision, 335 00:22:39,599 --> 00:22:44,279 potentially overriding state laws, and making equal high quality a 336 00:22:44,400 --> 00:22:49,240 legal standard. It aimed to create permanent foundation guarantee that 337 00:22:49,319 --> 00:22:56,440 transcends political changes Democrats, Republicans and various congresses and legislative acts, 338 00:22:57,119 --> 00:23:00,599 and lastly, but not limited in essence, jackson junior proposal 339 00:23:00,680 --> 00:23:05,480 was about establishing an unquestionable legal foundation for healthcare as 340 00:23:05,519 --> 00:23:08,799 a right. While the ACA is just a law that 341 00:23:08,920 --> 00:23:12,559 increases access to insurance, and a single payer system is 342 00:23:12,599 --> 00:23:17,680 a funding mechanism for universal coverage. Democrats and Republicans both 343 00:23:17,680 --> 00:23:20,319 have been missing the point. I'm Jesse Jackson Junior, and 344 00:23:20,319 --> 00:23:22,519 this is the faith not to fall with Reverend doctor 345 00:23:22,640 --> 00:23:26,000 Terry Hoard Owens on the Jesse Jackson Junior Show, The 346 00:23:26,039 --> 00:23:29,440 Jay Lunch Club Program. Reverend Owens, welcome forward to the show. 347 00:23:31,160 --> 00:23:35,319 Speaker 2: Thank you, and I just man. I entered at Google 348 00:23:35,359 --> 00:23:40,200 search and got a very similar answer. I this is 349 00:23:40,680 --> 00:23:46,200 perhaps the human rights issue of the next decade. Seriously, 350 00:23:48,759 --> 00:23:51,160 I just know too much about the workings of healthcare 351 00:23:51,200 --> 00:23:56,480 insurance and I having worked with it, lived with it, 352 00:23:56,559 --> 00:24:00,799 helped prosecute fraud in it, et cetera. There's just too 353 00:24:00,839 --> 00:24:03,920 much that we need to do, and I think guaranteeing 354 00:24:04,559 --> 00:24:09,400 that right with a constitutional amendment is exactly the step 355 00:24:09,720 --> 00:24:12,359 that we need to take. The United States remains the 356 00:24:12,400 --> 00:24:16,519 only quote unquote developed country in the world that does 357 00:24:16,640 --> 00:24:21,319 not have some kind of comprehensive single payer system. And 358 00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:26,039 my grandma used to call things that she thought were 359 00:24:26,160 --> 00:24:32,079 just incompetent, evil, bad. She would just say it's pitiful. 360 00:24:32,480 --> 00:24:35,000 And I hear Grandma Jesse saying right now, it's pitiful. 361 00:24:35,720 --> 00:24:36,880 It's just pitiful. 362 00:24:37,680 --> 00:24:39,119 Speaker 1: I think we're going to have a surprise guest on 363 00:24:39,119 --> 00:24:40,759 the show in just a few moments to comment on 364 00:24:40,839 --> 00:24:43,279 some thoughts about Haiti. But before we get to that, guest, 365 00:24:43,839 --> 00:24:48,000 I did want to ask you the question about about 366 00:24:48,079 --> 00:24:52,880 Donald Trump's efforts to remove the Federal Reserve Board chairman. 367 00:24:53,480 --> 00:24:57,279 And as you know that it acts mortgages, it impacts 368 00:24:57,319 --> 00:25:03,079 credit cards, it impacts loans, it impacts everything disproportionately for women, 369 00:25:04,319 --> 00:25:07,920 particularly African American women, but certainly for the poor in 370 00:25:07,960 --> 00:25:11,920 our nation payday lending. It impacts every single interest rate 371 00:25:12,039 --> 00:25:15,880 known to our system. Your concern, Madam President, about the 372 00:25:16,359 --> 00:25:19,279 idea that the better Reserve Board could end up being 373 00:25:19,319 --> 00:25:21,119 compromised under the Trump regime. 374 00:25:22,519 --> 00:25:26,599 Speaker 2: My concern is that we know that Trump's concerns are 375 00:25:26,640 --> 00:25:30,680 not for ordinary people. He seeks to enrich banks and 376 00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:36,000 other financial institutions who, as we saw with the financial 377 00:25:36,079 --> 00:25:39,880 crisis that Barack Obama had inherited, part of the problem 378 00:25:39,920 --> 00:25:43,400 was lack of accountability. I was glad to see mister 379 00:25:43,480 --> 00:25:46,079 Powell in the news today putting out a statement in 380 00:25:46,119 --> 00:25:49,519 a video and indicating that he doesn't intend to remain 381 00:25:49,599 --> 00:25:56,319 silent the longer that corporate and economic interests are complicit, 382 00:25:56,480 --> 00:26:03,599 either vocally or silently. We stand in with the real 383 00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:08,279 possibility that are systems of accountability, which is required in 384 00:26:08,319 --> 00:26:13,240 a democracy. We can't have rights and liberties without balancing 385 00:26:13,279 --> 00:26:17,400 that with accountability to one another in the broader society. 386 00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:20,680 So that's my concern and that's my fear. But I 387 00:26:20,720 --> 00:26:25,200 am grateful to see that mister Powell has come to 388 00:26:25,319 --> 00:26:30,920 understand that being silent is not right now the diplomatic 389 00:26:31,599 --> 00:26:34,480 or appropriate thing to do right now. If you believe 390 00:26:34,559 --> 00:26:38,880 in anything, if you believe in these rules, in these norms, 391 00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:42,200 in the law, the rule of law, and the Constitution, 392 00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:45,680 you must speak up or you will be complicit with 393 00:26:45,799 --> 00:26:46,559 their destruction. 394 00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:51,480 Speaker 1: Our very special guest during this show is now Millie Phaeton. 395 00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:57,759 Milli is a Jesse Jackson Junior Show number one contributor 396 00:26:57,759 --> 00:27:00,000 from Hat on the Ground. Milli, how are you. 397 00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:02,480 Speaker 3: I'm doing well, how are you great? 398 00:27:02,519 --> 00:27:04,640 Speaker 1: Thank you million Millie. We have about three minutes before 399 00:27:04,680 --> 00:27:06,799 we come forward. Can you share with us how the 400 00:27:06,839 --> 00:27:11,000 people of Haiti are handling this sixteenth anniversary since the 401 00:27:11,039 --> 00:27:12,000 devastating earthquake. 402 00:27:12,799 --> 00:27:15,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's always a bittersweet time. 403 00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:21,240 Speaker 4: Obviously, it was definitely a devastating time for the Haitian 404 00:27:21,279 --> 00:27:25,680 that this war just everywhere across the world, Like Haitians 405 00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:29,400 are spread across the world, So we remember it every 406 00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:33,880 January twelfth, especially in light of all that's still happening 407 00:27:34,559 --> 00:27:39,319 in Haiti today with the gang taken over Port of Prince. 408 00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:43,160 Speaker 3: So you know, we're fighting to get it, get our country. 409 00:27:42,839 --> 00:27:48,480 Speaker 4: Back to what it once was, a place where Haitians 410 00:27:48,519 --> 00:27:51,480 all over and and and really just all kinds of 411 00:27:51,519 --> 00:27:54,279 cultures came and enjoyed our country. 412 00:27:55,519 --> 00:27:56,799 Speaker 3: It's a beautiful country. 413 00:27:56,839 --> 00:27:59,480 Speaker 4: If you haven't been, there's still parts of Haiti that 414 00:28:00,359 --> 00:28:03,759 are very safe to go to, so I encourage everybody 415 00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:07,400 to visit places. La Capati, which is the second largest 416 00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:10,880 city in Haiti outside of Porta Prince, still very much 417 00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:17,000 a city that is welcoming nations and festivals happening all 418 00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:21,640 the time. But we're fighting to get the capitol back 419 00:28:21,680 --> 00:28:23,079 to what it once was. 420 00:28:23,599 --> 00:28:28,599 Speaker 1: Billy, you went to Haiti in twenty ten during that period, 421 00:28:28,599 --> 00:28:30,200 can you share with us what you saw? We have 422 00:28:30,319 --> 00:28:32,079 about just two minutes before we come forward. 423 00:28:32,559 --> 00:28:39,559 Speaker 4: Yeah, just you know, devastations, I mean all over almost gosh, 424 00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:45,079 close to three hundred thousand lives lost, about a million 425 00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:52,920 people displaced, So just a devastating site to see, especially 426 00:28:53,039 --> 00:28:55,720 and again in a city that was so vibrant at 427 00:28:55,759 --> 00:28:59,759 one time. But I got to spend about three months there, 428 00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:03,079 just trying to meet the needs of the people, which 429 00:29:03,119 --> 00:29:05,839 the biggest needs was was tense and stuff at the time, 430 00:29:06,359 --> 00:29:09,519 and so you know, we continue to try to send 431 00:29:09,559 --> 00:29:14,440 resources because obviously it's still a lot a lot of 432 00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:18,359 people that are displaced now in light of the gang 433 00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:19,599 activity that's been happening. 434 00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:21,680 Speaker 1: We have about a minute and thirty seconds before we 435 00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:23,400 come forward, Madam President, Do you have a question of 436 00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:24,039 Millie Paton? 437 00:29:26,400 --> 00:29:31,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, I just want to, I guess perhaps ask how 438 00:29:31,359 --> 00:29:38,160 best can organizations like mine. I lead a multiracial denomination, 439 00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:40,920 Disciples of Christ, and we partner with a lot of 440 00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:44,839 ministries there on the ground, how best can people of 441 00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:49,000 faith continue to support There's certain organizations you recommend or 442 00:29:49,599 --> 00:29:50,440 not recommend. 443 00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:55,880 Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely absolutely. I think one of the best organizations 444 00:29:56,039 --> 00:30:00,359 is Hope for Haiti. You can find them, you know, online. 445 00:30:00,119 --> 00:30:07,240 And then there's another organization led by doctor Bershud. You 446 00:30:07,279 --> 00:30:09,160 can find her online too, and I can send the 447 00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:12,400 links to the show. Those are the two go to 448 00:30:12,559 --> 00:30:16,799 that I always send people to. They've been vetted, they've 449 00:30:16,839 --> 00:30:21,599 been just long standing supports and stuff on the ground 450 00:30:21,680 --> 00:30:25,559 and Haiti way before the earthquake happened and stuff. 451 00:30:25,599 --> 00:30:27,720 Speaker 3: So those are the two that I always send people to. 452 00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:28,519 Speaker 2: Millie. 453 00:30:28,519 --> 00:30:30,440 Speaker 1: I hope you'll stay with us. I'm Jesse Jackson Junior 454 00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:32,519 listening to the Jesse Jackson Junior Show on k BLA 455 00:30:32,559 --> 00:30:35,160 Talk fifteen eighty. We're getting a report from the ground 456 00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:37,519 in Haiti. I know that Millie is probably here in 457 00:30:37,559 --> 00:30:40,359 the United States at this point. But more on k 458 00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:42,319 BLA Talk fifteen eighty when we come forward on the 459 00:30:42,359 --> 00:30:46,480 sixteenth anniversary of the earthquake, earthquake and Katie that killed 460 00:30:46,519 --> 00:30:51,319 nearly three hundred thousand. Mister Jackson Junior show, this is 461 00:30:51,759 --> 00:30:56,480 not all with rev and Terry Howard Cohens. He has 462 00:30:56,640 --> 00:31:01,400 our hash just for another moment or two, maybe you 463 00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:02,599 have another question you like to. 464 00:31:02,559 --> 00:31:06,680 Speaker 2: Ask, Sure, can you educate us on what's happening with 465 00:31:06,759 --> 00:31:10,799 Haitians and TPS. What's been the impact of that and 466 00:31:11,079 --> 00:31:14,079 are there other ways in which we when we engage 467 00:31:14,279 --> 00:31:16,440 advocacy to change that situation. 468 00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:22,640 Speaker 4: Yeah, that TPS protection it is said to be expiring 469 00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:23,400 every work. 470 00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:30,440 Speaker 3: So you know, the biggest resources have been attorneys who 471 00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:31,960 are trained. 472 00:31:31,960 --> 00:31:34,279 Speaker 1: Really, you're breaking up just a little bit. Really, you're 473 00:31:34,279 --> 00:31:35,359 breaking up just a little bit. 474 00:31:36,799 --> 00:31:40,319 Speaker 4: So that's that's the biggest resource that we need, So 475 00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:44,480 you know, we're we're asking our community to take don't know. 476 00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:48,119 Speaker 1: I think I think we have a really I think 477 00:31:48,119 --> 00:31:52,720 we have a connection I'm going to have. But I 478 00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:54,519 think I think she said that the one of the 479 00:31:54,559 --> 00:31:56,960 biggest challenges that she has had and they have had 480 00:31:57,039 --> 00:31:58,640 us with the temporary protective status. 481 00:31:58,839 --> 00:32:01,640 Speaker 2: Did you want to expound upon that, Yeah, And I 482 00:32:01,640 --> 00:32:04,359 think I heard her say that that legal resources are 483 00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:08,920 one of the biggest needs, and I think organizations that 484 00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:12,559 have access to legal resources that can make them available. We, 485 00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:18,000 for example, have in our denomination and immigration attorney who 486 00:32:18,119 --> 00:32:21,599 was there to assist persons to at least help them 487 00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:25,640 trioge their case. They can't handle the full legal workload. 488 00:32:25,680 --> 00:32:32,119 But I do encourage nonprofits who provide legal assistance in 489 00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:39,319 the immigration space not to forget Haitians and other populations, 490 00:32:39,319 --> 00:32:43,519 particularly Haitians who that TPS status has been in place 491 00:32:43,519 --> 00:32:51,480 for so many years. After fifteen sixteen years, it's hard 492 00:32:51,519 --> 00:32:57,000 to imagine some folks going back. But legal support for 493 00:32:57,160 --> 00:33:01,839 folks to help them navigate and increasingly come immigration system 494 00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:03,920 is going to be really important. And I know that 495 00:33:04,079 --> 00:33:07,400 organizations like ours will continue to advocate on that that 496 00:33:07,599 --> 00:33:15,119 TPS status is not removed from the Haitian population. It 497 00:33:16,599 --> 00:33:18,759 looked like Millie popped back in there for session. 498 00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:21,880 Speaker 1: She did for just a moment. I think you're right. 499 00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:24,039 That's one of the great human rights issues of our day. 500 00:33:24,079 --> 00:33:26,960 And when one considers the history of what the Haitian 501 00:33:27,039 --> 00:33:30,359 people did for the United States, for the United States 502 00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:32,359 to not be for them at their hour of need 503 00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:35,839 and it has been sixteen years since their hour of 504 00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:40,759 need is nothing short of astounding. And it's also a signal, 505 00:33:40,799 --> 00:33:43,279 I think, Madam President, of the decline of our civilization 506 00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:45,519 as well. We have not been a good neighbor. 507 00:33:45,799 --> 00:33:48,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, we have not been a good neighbor. And we 508 00:33:48,319 --> 00:33:53,359 are now explicitly naming countries where black and brown people 509 00:33:53,720 --> 00:33:56,480 are in the majority, which is most of the world 510 00:33:56,559 --> 00:34:03,960 actually as s whole country we have. Uh, we're more willing, 511 00:34:04,039 --> 00:34:06,279 not that there's anything wrong with the wars that are 512 00:34:06,279 --> 00:34:09,880 happening in Ukrainian Russia. We're more concerned about Europe than 513 00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:15,400 we are about countries in Africa in the Caribbean that 514 00:34:15,480 --> 00:34:21,880 have been exploited for their natural resources. I watched a 515 00:34:21,960 --> 00:34:26,880 little of the hearing or meeting. I guess that the 516 00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:30,639 Trump was having with oil executives, and it just really 517 00:34:30,679 --> 00:34:35,039 sickened you to hear conversations about what they were ready 518 00:34:35,079 --> 00:34:37,400 to bring in and what they were ready to do, 519 00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:40,199 and this charade of oh, we're going to sell the oil. 520 00:34:40,599 --> 00:34:43,360 You know, the Venezuela people are still going to have 521 00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:45,400 access to those profits. They are going to make a 522 00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:49,400 lot of money. And that's at the heart of these issues. 523 00:34:49,719 --> 00:34:51,679 Can I still make money off of Haiti? If not, 524 00:34:51,840 --> 00:34:55,000 I'm not concerned. Can I still make money off of Sedan? 525 00:34:55,119 --> 00:35:00,159 If not? We don't have economic interests. Human interests were 526 00:35:00,199 --> 00:35:03,599 not as concerned about. And that's been the big shift 527 00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:08,239 of the Trump administration to take the US away from 528 00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:13,360 its marginal I mean, USAID was major, but we've always 529 00:35:13,360 --> 00:35:15,599 had to fight to make the United States accountable for 530 00:35:15,679 --> 00:35:18,320 human rights around the world. But at least that's what 531 00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:21,039 we said we were, and we tried to do some 532 00:35:21,159 --> 00:35:23,119 of that work, and now we're just like, well, we 533 00:35:23,159 --> 00:35:26,440 don't care, and that's okay. It's just not okay. We're 534 00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:30,039 going to pay a huge price across the world for 535 00:35:30,119 --> 00:35:33,199 our failure to be true to who we say we are. 536 00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:36,280 Speaker 1: Madam President, our producer has just shared with us that 537 00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:38,679 she has a clip from the Golden Globes that she'd 538 00:35:38,679 --> 00:35:39,960 like to play right now. 539 00:35:41,719 --> 00:35:49,360 Speaker 5: Disrespect invites disrespect, Violence incites violence. When they powerful use 540 00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:53,480 their position to bully others, we all lose. It was 541 00:35:53,519 --> 00:35:57,320 that moment when the person asking to sin in the 542 00:35:57,360 --> 00:36:02,559 most respected seat in our country imitated a disabled reporter, 543 00:36:03,639 --> 00:36:08,920 someone he outranked in privilege, power and the capacity to 544 00:36:09,039 --> 00:36:15,239 fight back. It kind of broke my heart when I 545 00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:16,880 saw it, and I still can't get it out of 546 00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:19,039 my head because it wasn't in a movie. It was 547 00:36:19,119 --> 00:36:26,400 real life, and it's instinct to humiliate. When it's modeled 548 00:36:27,239 --> 00:36:31,199 by someone in the public platform, by someone powerful, it 549 00:36:31,239 --> 00:36:34,159 filters down into everybody's life because it kind of gives 550 00:36:34,199 --> 00:36:37,000 permission for other people to do the same thing. 551 00:36:39,159 --> 00:36:42,119 Speaker 1: Madam President, we have about four minutes before before the 552 00:36:42,199 --> 00:36:42,840 end of our show. 553 00:36:44,400 --> 00:36:47,880 Speaker 2: I have seen I remember even even watching Meryl Street, 554 00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:53,199 but she said that people in power giving permission to 555 00:36:53,440 --> 00:37:00,079 violate norms, to violate a human rights, to use language, 556 00:37:00,920 --> 00:37:05,519 to just simply not care anymore. We're saying all across 557 00:37:05,559 --> 00:37:12,239 our country language and actions. You know, people are saying 558 00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:16,960 the quiet part out loud. Racism had for many years 559 00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:20,880 at least you couldn't say certain things, You couldn't openly 560 00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:24,719 believe or declare your belief for certain things. And now 561 00:37:24,760 --> 00:37:28,280 it's okay. You don't have to be in hushrooms or 562 00:37:28,360 --> 00:37:31,920 say them in quiet text to one another. It's okay 563 00:37:31,960 --> 00:37:36,679 to say it out loud. And we're spouting off scripture, 564 00:37:36,760 --> 00:37:40,679 but we're practicing hate and we're cloaking it all in 565 00:37:40,760 --> 00:37:44,639 some form of perverted What people are claiming is Christianity 566 00:37:44,719 --> 00:37:48,760 but violates everything that Jesus ever taught that as a 567 00:37:48,840 --> 00:37:53,199 Christian minister is the most vile part of this is 568 00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:57,840 that the way in which people are behaving, they're out 569 00:37:57,840 --> 00:38:02,519 of one half of their mouth. It's viewing hate and 570 00:38:02,519 --> 00:38:05,199 and disregard for one another. And now the other side 571 00:38:05,239 --> 00:38:09,360 of the mouth claiming to be Christian, holding Bibles upside 572 00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:12,760 down and standing with with I'm not sure who these 573 00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:15,480 people are or who these ministers are that would that 574 00:38:15,519 --> 00:38:17,960 would lay hands on Trump and claim that he's a 575 00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:22,280 messenger from God. It's it's it's sickening, it really is, 576 00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:24,760 because it's it's just not right. And we have to 577 00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:28,760 be able to call these things uh and and name 578 00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:32,800 what they are, and they're foul they're evil. I have 579 00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:35,639 little y'all have to pray for me. Uh in these 580 00:38:35,719 --> 00:38:39,760 last five years of my term. I've got a lot 581 00:38:39,800 --> 00:38:42,400 of people in my church who agree with what Trump 582 00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:48,320 is doing, and we have denominations like mine. We uh 583 00:38:48,639 --> 00:38:51,960 in my perusal or trolling if you will, social media 584 00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:55,000 while I'm on sabbatical, we did sign off on a 585 00:38:55,079 --> 00:38:58,360 joint letter between the Unit Church of Christ and Disciples 586 00:38:58,360 --> 00:39:02,559 of Christ a poe what happened in Venezuela. And there's 587 00:39:02,599 --> 00:39:07,440 all kinds of comments. The church should not be evolved 588 00:39:08,360 --> 00:39:11,159 in politics. This is political. I don't know what's become 589 00:39:11,159 --> 00:39:14,159 of our denomination. This leadership is taking us down the 590 00:39:14,199 --> 00:39:17,079 wrong path. There were lots of people in support of it, 591 00:39:17,159 --> 00:39:20,559 but there are still people who believe that being Christian 592 00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:24,039 being silent and just not having anything to do with 593 00:39:24,079 --> 00:39:28,920 what's happening to human beings. Jesus chose to read from 594 00:39:28,920 --> 00:39:31,880 Isaiah sixty one. Spirit of the Lord is upon me 595 00:39:32,559 --> 00:39:35,440 to set at liberty those are who are captive. Jesus 596 00:39:35,519 --> 00:39:38,679 said his job was to free the oppressed, take care 597 00:39:38,719 --> 00:39:42,480 of poor people, and to create a different society. Jesus 598 00:39:42,559 --> 00:39:44,960 chose that and said that so I've got to follow 599 00:39:44,960 --> 00:39:48,360 what Jesus says, and I think that's where hope must lie. 600 00:39:49,519 --> 00:39:52,480 Of all people of faith would be true to who 601 00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:55,639 they say they are and build coalitions, and like we've 602 00:39:55,639 --> 00:39:58,760 ever seen before, there is hope that we can turn 603 00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:01,039 this thing around. But we can't be silent. We can't 604 00:40:01,039 --> 00:40:05,360 be silent, Madam President. Happy New Year, Happy New Year, Sir. 605 00:40:06,440 --> 00:40:08,159 Speaker 1: I'm so looking forward to the year that we're going 606 00:40:08,199 --> 00:40:12,440 to spend with Reverend Terry hord Owens over the course 607 00:40:12,519 --> 00:40:14,360 of the new year right here on Mondays and the 608 00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:17,000 Faith not to Fall. I'm Jesse Jackson Jr. You've been 609 00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:19,800 listening to the Jesse Jackson Junior Show on KBLA Talk 610 00:40:19,920 --> 00:40:25,079 fifteen eighty more when we come forward on KBLA Talk 611 00:40:25,119 --> 00:40:25,480 fifteen