Speaker 1: Jesse Jackson Junior. Welcome forward to the Jesse Jackson Junior Show.
This is Moving Mountain Mondays with none of the de
Reverend Terry Hoard Owens, General Minister and President of the
Christian Church Disciples of Christ in the United States and Canada.
An author and advocate for the church living on its calling.
She is the first person of color and second woman
to lead the denomination since her election in twenty seventeen.
Reverend Hoard Owens's ministry actively reflects the Disciples priority of
being an anti racist church, being a movement for wholeness,
welcoming all to the Lord as God has welcomed us,
keeping with the disciples historic commitment to Christian unity. She
serves in leadership at the National Council of Churches as
the Treasurer of the Governing Board and a member of
the World Council of Church's Central Committee. Madam President, Welcome
forward to the Jesse Jackson Junior Show and to your show,
Faith not the Fall on Moving Mountain Mondays.
Speaker 2: Good afternoon, so good to be with you.
Speaker 1: It's always a pleasure, Madam President. Some really interesting news
coming out of the Gates Foundation. Bill Gates has set
a timeline and a time limit on the United States
and the world within the next five years, entering into
a dark age. You can imagine the Dark Ages was
a very, very difficult period for Christianity, Christianity, for theology,
and for world religious systems. Madam President, your thoughts on
the prediction of Bill Gates.
Speaker 2: Sadly, I think there is far too much truth in it.
His own efforts have, for example, really reduced the threat
of malaria in parts of the world that are underdeveloped economically.
USAID people talk about it being a form of soft power.
It was one of the key agencies that our church's
ministries worked with around the world, and it may have
been December of twenty three, I guess it was. I
spent a day in DC actually working with a lot
of faith based organizations and folks for USAID, kind of
doing some lobbying around worldwide, aid to Haiti, Sudan, Ethiopia,
so many places where we are seeing children literally starving
to death, where very simple things like a peanut paste
right that just a few licks of that would be
able to help nourish babies around the world. We do
not prioritize being kind and saving the lives of humans
around the world unless there is some sort of economic
benefit to the United States. We talked last week about
how you know. Marco Rubio even said, this is about
America's interests first and then the people of Venezuela. So
we are willing to let people around the world die.
Children in particular will be most impacted if the United
States can't see its own economic interests being privileged. We've
gone from understanding that our humanity to other human kind
is one of the ways that we can even project
and promote our own influence to saying it's not worth
the money we need to send bombs and planes and
ice agents in order to establish who we are, and
we no longer care about what's happened. It's I don't
think we're too far from it, Madam President.
Speaker 1: When you think about the two hundred and fifty year
anniversary of the Declaration of Independence, and of course the
magnificent words Martin Luther King Junior referred to penmanship of
Thomas Jefferson that all men are created equal, and of
course Elizabeth Caddy Statton, men's that language to say all
men and women are created equal. And you look at
the if you will the zenith of the American experiment,
experiment with all that it's been through, maybe the zenith
is from nineteen fifty four to the election of Barack Obama,
and now we're already talking about dark age. I'm wondering
in this moment, is a dark age avoidable or is it,
from your perspective, inevitable.
Speaker 2: I don't think it's inevitable. But it will require a
lot of us, a lot that we're really not used
to giving. It will require a kind of coalescence, different
kinds of coalitions then we're used to building, both those
that have served us well in the past, but new
kinds of coalitions, and it will require even the courage
I think, particularly of corporate interests. Bill Gates has been
amazingly silent about the evil that we've been seeing coming
out of the Trump administration, and he will talk about
this impact of money around the world. But if he
and other corporate leaders were to coalesce and to say
that what we stand for, even as economic engines in
this country, is that we want to have positive impacts
on the communities that we serve. We want to have
positive impacts on the communities around the world. Because it's
self serving really to want a healthy world in order
to build a healthy world markets, but I don't see
corporations and being strong enough to come and say that.
We have to shake up a lot of church folk,
a lot of people of faith and all traditions who
are afraid to speak out saying all the church shouldn't
be involved in politics. We've got to build coalitions in
a way we've never built them before.
Speaker 1: I'm Jesse Jackson Jr. This is moving Mountain Mondays and
the Faith not the Fall with Reverend Terry Hoard Owens.
More coming forward on k B l a Talk fifteen
to eighty with the President and General Minister of the
Christian Church, the Disciples of Christ in the United States
and Canada. More when we come forward on k B
Late Talk fifteen to eighty. I'm Jesse Jackson Jr. Welcome
back to the Jesse Jackson Junior Show on k BY
Lay Talk fifteen eighty. Madam President, Reverend Teresa Terry hord
Owens is the President and General Minister of the Disciples
of Christ Church here in the United States and in Canada.
Is our very special contributing host during this period. Madam President,
welcome forward to the show.
Speaker 2: Well, thank you, it's always good to be here.
Speaker 1: Madam President. I don't think there's a person with a
bigger heart in the philanthropic community than Bill Gates. He
just gave his wife an additional eight billion dollars to
her private finance, to her private philanthropic foundation, in large
measure because he is particularly proud and excited about the
resources that she has been providing to historically black colleges
and universities and making missus Gates's foundation one of the
premier funding mechanisms for black education, black college and advancement,
not only in the United States, but quite frankly in
the history of the world. Your thoughts on this season
of giving, particularly in light of the DOGE cuts and
administration that seems to be turning its back on its
historical commitments to overcome negative action against minorities.
Speaker 2: I'm thrilled with not only Melinda Gates, but also for
her ability to leverage that divorce get to get what
she needed. There was a line in that that old
movie The First Wives Club, where Evonna Trump is uh
has just divorced Donald Trump. As she's telling these women
in the movie what to do, she says don't get
even get everything. Uh And I feel that uh Melinda
Gates here, she didn't get everything, but she got what
she needed and what her focus was on. And of
course what she's already done with HBCU contributions is certainly
uh stellar, building up not only the sustainability of those institutions,
but reinforcing the notion that those institutions are legitimate educational
institutions in our country and are necessary to a healthy society.
And Bill learned about philanthropy from Warren Buffett, who apparently
just recently retired I think last week, and Warren is
given away, you know, most of his wealth. Scott, what's
her name, Melinda Scott, Jeff Bezos's ex wife, also has
been making huge gifts with the settlements that and the
money that she's obtained in the divorces. So we don't
have enough capacity, I don't think, as I tell people
all the time, the faith community cannot fill these gaps.
We don't have that kind of capacity. And maybe multiple
Bill Gates might come close to doing this, but again
we've got to have coalitions and courageous people. Statistics tell
us there are more billionaires than ever before, but where
are their priorities. Are they building ultra megayachts the way
Jeff Bezos is doing. What are they doing with their money?
How are they focusing their bounty for the good of others,
which really serves us all. We've lost that sense of
My pastor Indianapolis used to say, Lord, Lord, make me
rich so I can bless somebody. And I promise you
if I were rich, that's exactly what I would do.
But we've lost those values that would say, let me
take what I have because God has blessed me, allowed
me to be a blessing. And even if you don't
have a faith perspective, just the idea of sharing and
doing what is good for your common humanity. If we
had more million billionaires, like the fact that you can
give away eight billion and still okay that is that's
just amazing. It wouldn't take that much to replace a
lot of what's happening with Doge. But if more of
these people have these kinds of priorities, we could do it.
The faith community, churches doing what they can in their neighborhoods.
It's just not enough.
Speaker 1: You know, I am in the civil religion of the
United States. I see paying taxes as a form of tithing.
So it's very hard for me to let the entire
burden for all that's wrong in society to be left
to any five ozho one c three, let alone multi
billion dollar five oh one seed threes. And I'm not
suggesting or knocking that they're not doing good work. If
Melinda Gates called me tomorrow I set up a black college, yes,
I'd be very grateful, and you could do that well, sir,
you could do that or point her in the direction
of some that need to be funded. But to my pool,
when I pay my taxes, you know, I expect the
government to feed hungry people with it. I mean, you know.
Warnock says that a vote is a kind of prayer
that we cast for the world that we want to build.
But that's the way I see taxes. I see taxes
as a form of paying it forward, building good schools,
teaching children multiple languages. My contribution to civilization are the
taxes that I pay. I did not pay, And maybe
we should find a way to designate what is in
where my tax dollar goes. For example, I did not
want my tax dollars to build the Gerald R Forward
US aircraft carrier, the largest in the world, and presently
in the career, I'd like my money to go towards
providing for the least of these people who don't have much.
And so increasingly we are relying upon the private sector
to do what government of for and by the people
is supposed to do to keep our country civilized. Do
that makes sense.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, And the reason that our budgets are in such
great deficits, federal budgets is because this wealthy and ultra
wealthy are not paying their fair share. We have enough
in this country, as you say all the time, the
wealthiest country in the history of the world. If everyone
pays their share, their proportionate share, we have enough so
that people can earn jobs that allow them to provide
for their families, that allow them to live in housing
that's safe and clean and comfortable, warm in the winter,
cold in the summer. To send children to public schools
that don't vary in terms of resource is based on
your zip code. You know. I have a family member
who lived in Northbrook and they took their child out
of a Christian school and put them in a public school.
And it's like, oh, my goodness, Northbrook. Here we are.
Every child gets a chromebook. Every child. Oh, public school
is great. I said, public school depends on where you live.
It's wonderful in Northbrook. But take a neighborhood in Englewood
six six to eight zip code. I hear these days
they may get chromebooks, but they don't have all the
science facilities, they don't have the books. They can't pay
the teachers that they need. They're robbing Peter to pay Paul.
Every time we turn around, and other neighborhoods, the kids are.
It's an embarrassment of riches. That's not what this country
was built on, they say. Right, So I'm always saying,
let's be who we say we are. Let's be the
church we say we are, Let's be the country we
say we are. But everybody should be paying their fair share.
And if nothing else, to see it as a return
for the opportunities that you say, oh, everybody can make
it the United States. Well for those opportunities, you go
it back to this society to make sure that everyone
else has those same opportunities. Better.
Speaker 1: President, speaking of opportunities, just a few months ago, or
a little less than a month ago, we saw eight
Democrats essentially bolt the Democratic Party to end the government
shutdown to the dismay of the resistance movement in the
United States, to ensure that the Affordable Care Act would
not be sidelined. An interesting coalition of Democrats and Republicans
came together to pass the Affordable Care Act in the
House of Representatives with a three year extension this past week,
and now we have GOP senators reviving Obamacare and calling
it putting America first. Ernest Krim in the last hour said,
what a difference to day makes your thought on the
new movement amongst Republicans and where you think the heat
is coming from.
Speaker 2: I think the heat is coming from their constituents long ago,
when people were lobbying and advocating against. I call it
the horrible awful bill, not the big beautiful bill, the
horrible awful bill. Statistics tell us that by the numbers,
First of all, there are more people on Medicaid than
there are black people. It's the percentage of black people
on Medicaid that draws the attention. But there are more
people in red states who are being hurt by the
removal of these subsidies. In this ridiculous exponential increase in
healthcare premiums, and I think it is their own people
who are finally getting through to them to help them
understand that this is not a Democrat or Republican issue.
It's not a right or left issue. This is a
matter of right versus wrong and people being able to
have health care because if people can't go to the doctor,
people are paying thousands of dollars in premiums and can't
go to the doctor, can't get their medication. I mean,
if I didn't have health care, I'm a diabetic, I
would be able to afford the medication that I have
to take if I had to just pay it out
of my own out of my own pocket. You know,
insulent some forms of insulin cost one thousand dollars a
month without And as much as people talk about ozempic
for weight loss, that drug was initially approved for diabetics
and you couldn't get it because people could pay the
one thousand dollars for weight loss. We're getting it, but
we've really got to listen and the people have to
start speaking up. And I think that's what's happened with
some of these GOP senators who are finally hearing and
paying attention. I heard Ernest say in the first hour,
it is the Affordable Care Act. They called it Obamacare
in order to try to denigrate it. But it's the
Affordable Care Act, and if there are issues with it,
then they've never offered a solution. As much as they've
tried to destroy it, they haven't offered anything to make
it better. Health Care insurance in this country was designed
as a force for good. It was never designed to
create profit for health insurance companies. And having spent some
time with the Blue Cross Blue Shield system, I repent
because there was a time when I would get bonuses,
I would get bonuses healthcare. I was there during that
time when Blue Cross went from being a nonprofit to
a for profit enterprise all across the country, with Anthem
being the initiator of consolidating a lot of these Blue
Cross plans and moving towards for profit. We've got to
also not just pass laws for subsidies. We've got to
do some tough work. And again, this is what's going
to call for some courageous corporate citizens to understand we
got to change the healthcare system in order to make
it affordable for the American people. It should not be
the case that people are making billions and billions of
dollars on the backs of people who can't afford to
go to their doctor.
Speaker 1: I was reflecting upon the work that I did while
I was in Congress, and I did this Google search,
and I'm encouraging those who can hear my voice to
do this Google search right now. If you ask Google
the right question, AI will act provide a fairly fascinating answer.
This is a question I need to ask Google. What
is the difference between Jesse Jackson juniors constitutional right or
health care of equal high quality for all Americans and
the Affordable Care Act and the single payer health care system?
What is the difference between Jesse Jackson Junior's constitutional amendment
guaranteeing every American the right to health care of equal
high quality and the Affordable Care Act and the single
payer health care system. When you hear the answer, you're
going to be baffled by what Democrats and Republicans have
ultimately been doing by calling both of these things rights
when in fact they are not. The answer will be
I think nothing less than astounding for those of you
who have time to just Google search that I'm Jesse
Jackson Junior listening to Jesse Jackson Junior show we are
moving this mountain on Monday, the Faith not to fall
with Reverend Doctor Terry Horde Owens, the President and General
Minister of the Disciples of Christ Church more on KBLA
Talk fifteen eighty. When we come forward with Terry Horte Owens,
I'm Jesse Jackson Junior on this the sixteenth anniversary of
the earthquake in Haiti where more than three hundred thousand
people perished. Our hearts, our minds, our bodies, our soul
and our pocketbooks books should continue to support all of
these organizations that are doing the work on the ground
in Haiti. In this the sixteenth anniversary of the most
devastating earthquake in the country's history. Before the break in,
before I bring our very special contributor back on, I
asked the question, what is the difference between Jesse Jackson
Junior's constitutional right to healthcare of equal high quality and
the Affordable Care Act and the single payer healthcare system.
And this is what artificial intelligence says. The primary difference
is that Jesse Jackson Junior's proposal was for a constitutional
amendment that would guarantee healthcare as a fundamental enforceable right,
while the Affordable Care Act is a federal statute that
uses market mechanisms to expand health insurance access, and a
single payer system is a specific funding model for universal
health care that is not currently in the law in
the United States. The Jackson proposed amendment to the US Constitution,
which stated that all persons shall enjoy the right to
health care of equal high quality, was never passed. If ratified,
it would establish health care as a fundamental, inalienable human right,
placing an affirmative obligation on the government to ensure its provision,
potentially overriding state laws, and making equal high quality a
legal standard. It aimed to create permanent foundation guarantee that
transcends political changes Democrats, Republicans and various congresses and legislative acts,
and lastly, but not limited in essence, jackson junior proposal
was about establishing an unquestionable legal foundation for healthcare as
a right. While the ACA is just a law that
increases access to insurance, and a single payer system is
a funding mechanism for universal coverage. Democrats and Republicans both
have been missing the point. I'm Jesse Jackson Junior, and
this is the faith not to fall with Reverend doctor
Terry Hoard Owens on the Jesse Jackson Junior Show, The
Jay Lunch Club Program. Reverend Owens, welcome forward to the show.
Speaker 2: Thank you, and I just man. I entered at Google
search and got a very similar answer. I this is
perhaps the human rights issue of the next decade. Seriously,
I just know too much about the workings of healthcare
insurance and I having worked with it, lived with it,
helped prosecute fraud in it, et cetera. There's just too
much that we need to do, and I think guaranteeing
that right with a constitutional amendment is exactly the step
that we need to take. The United States remains the
only quote unquote developed country in the world that does
not have some kind of comprehensive single payer system. And
my grandma used to call things that she thought were
just incompetent, evil, bad. She would just say it's pitiful.
And I hear Grandma Jesse saying right now, it's pitiful.
It's just pitiful.
Speaker 1: I think we're going to have a surprise guest on
the show in just a few moments to comment on
some thoughts about Haiti. But before we get to that, guest,
I did want to ask you the question about about
Donald Trump's efforts to remove the Federal Reserve Board chairman.
And as you know that it acts mortgages, it impacts
credit cards, it impacts loans, it impacts everything disproportionately for women,
particularly African American women, but certainly for the poor in
our nation payday lending. It impacts every single interest rate
known to our system. Your concern, Madam President, about the
idea that the better Reserve Board could end up being
compromised under the Trump regime.
Speaker 2: My concern is that we know that Trump's concerns are
not for ordinary people. He seeks to enrich banks and
other financial institutions who, as we saw with the financial
crisis that Barack Obama had inherited, part of the problem
was lack of accountability. I was glad to see mister
Powell in the news today putting out a statement in
a video and indicating that he doesn't intend to remain
silent the longer that corporate and economic interests are complicit,
either vocally or silently. We stand in with the real
possibility that are systems of accountability, which is required in
a democracy. We can't have rights and liberties without balancing
that with accountability to one another in the broader society.
So that's my concern and that's my fear. But I
am grateful to see that mister Powell has come to
understand that being silent is not right now the diplomatic
or appropriate thing to do right now. If you believe
in anything, if you believe in these rules, in these norms,
in the law, the rule of law, and the Constitution,
you must speak up or you will be complicit with
their destruction.
Speaker 1: Our very special guest during this show is now Millie Phaeton.
Milli is a Jesse Jackson Junior Show number one contributor
from Hat on the Ground. Milli, how are you.
Speaker 3: I'm doing well, how are you great?
Speaker 1: Thank you million Millie. We have about three minutes before
we come forward. Can you share with us how the
people of Haiti are handling this sixteenth anniversary since the
devastating earthquake.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's always a bittersweet time.
Speaker 4: Obviously, it was definitely a devastating time for the Haitian
that this war just everywhere across the world, Like Haitians
are spread across the world, So we remember it every
January twelfth, especially in light of all that's still happening
in Haiti today with the gang taken over Port of Prince.
Speaker 3: So you know, we're fighting to get it, get our country.
Speaker 4: Back to what it once was, a place where Haitians
all over and and and really just all kinds of
cultures came and enjoyed our country.
Speaker 3: It's a beautiful country.
Speaker 4: If you haven't been, there's still parts of Haiti that
are very safe to go to, so I encourage everybody
to visit places. La Capati, which is the second largest
city in Haiti outside of Porta Prince, still very much
a city that is welcoming nations and festivals happening all
the time. But we're fighting to get the capitol back
to what it once was.
Speaker 1: Billy, you went to Haiti in twenty ten during that period,
can you share with us what you saw? We have
about just two minutes before we come forward.
Speaker 4: Yeah, just you know, devastations, I mean all over almost gosh,
close to three hundred thousand lives lost, about a million
people displaced, So just a devastating site to see, especially
and again in a city that was so vibrant at
one time. But I got to spend about three months there,
just trying to meet the needs of the people, which
the biggest needs was was tense and stuff at the time,
and so you know, we continue to try to send
resources because obviously it's still a lot a lot of
people that are displaced now in light of the gang
activity that's been happening.
Speaker 1: We have about a minute and thirty seconds before we
come forward, Madam President, Do you have a question of
Millie Paton?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just want to, I guess perhaps ask how
best can organizations like mine. I lead a multiracial denomination,
Disciples of Christ, and we partner with a lot of
ministries there on the ground, how best can people of
faith continue to support There's certain organizations you recommend or
not recommend.
Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely absolutely. I think one of the best organizations
is Hope for Haiti. You can find them, you know, online.
And then there's another organization led by doctor Bershud. You
can find her online too, and I can send the
links to the show. Those are the two go to
that I always send people to. They've been vetted, they've
been just long standing supports and stuff on the ground
and Haiti way before the earthquake happened and stuff.
Speaker 3: So those are the two that I always send people to.
Speaker 2: Millie.
Speaker 1: I hope you'll stay with us. I'm Jesse Jackson Junior
listening to the Jesse Jackson Junior Show on k BLA
Talk fifteen eighty. We're getting a report from the ground
in Haiti. I know that Millie is probably here in
the United States at this point. But more on k
BLA Talk fifteen eighty when we come forward on the
sixteenth anniversary of the earthquake, earthquake and Katie that killed
nearly three hundred thousand. Mister Jackson Junior show, this is
not all with rev and Terry Howard Cohens. He has
our hash just for another moment or two, maybe you
have another question you like to.
Speaker 2: Ask, Sure, can you educate us on what's happening with
Haitians and TPS. What's been the impact of that and
are there other ways in which we when we engage
advocacy to change that situation.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that TPS protection it is said to be expiring
every work.
Speaker 3: So you know, the biggest resources have been attorneys who
are trained.
Speaker 1: Really, you're breaking up just a little bit. Really, you're
breaking up just a little bit.
Speaker 4: So that's that's the biggest resource that we need, So
you know, we're we're asking our community to take don't know.
Speaker 1: I think I think we have a really I think
we have a connection I'm going to have. But I
think I think she said that the one of the
biggest challenges that she has had and they have had
us with the temporary protective status.
Speaker 2: Did you want to expound upon that, Yeah, And I
think I heard her say that that legal resources are
one of the biggest needs, and I think organizations that
have access to legal resources that can make them available. We,
for example, have in our denomination and immigration attorney who
was there to assist persons to at least help them
trioge their case. They can't handle the full legal workload.
But I do encourage nonprofits who provide legal assistance in
the immigration space not to forget Haitians and other populations,
particularly Haitians who that TPS status has been in place
for so many years. After fifteen sixteen years, it's hard
to imagine some folks going back. But legal support for
folks to help them navigate and increasingly come immigration system
is going to be really important. And I know that
organizations like ours will continue to advocate on that that
TPS status is not removed from the Haitian population. It
looked like Millie popped back in there for session.
Speaker 1: She did for just a moment. I think you're right.
That's one of the great human rights issues of our day.
And when one considers the history of what the Haitian
people did for the United States, for the United States
to not be for them at their hour of need
and it has been sixteen years since their hour of
need is nothing short of astounding. And it's also a signal,
I think, Madam President, of the decline of our civilization
as well. We have not been a good neighbor.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we have not been a good neighbor. And we
are now explicitly naming countries where black and brown people
are in the majority, which is most of the world
actually as s whole country we have. Uh, we're more willing,
not that there's anything wrong with the wars that are
happening in Ukrainian Russia. We're more concerned about Europe than
we are about countries in Africa in the Caribbean that
have been exploited for their natural resources. I watched a
little of the hearing or meeting. I guess that the
Trump was having with oil executives, and it just really
sickened you to hear conversations about what they were ready
to bring in and what they were ready to do,
and this charade of oh, we're going to sell the oil.
You know, the Venezuela people are still going to have
access to those profits. They are going to make a
lot of money. And that's at the heart of these issues.
Can I still make money off of Haiti? If not,
I'm not concerned. Can I still make money off of Sedan?
If not? We don't have economic interests. Human interests were
not as concerned about. And that's been the big shift
of the Trump administration to take the US away from
its marginal I mean, USAID was major, but we've always
had to fight to make the United States accountable for
human rights around the world. But at least that's what
we said we were, and we tried to do some
of that work, and now we're just like, well, we
don't care, and that's okay. It's just not okay. We're
going to pay a huge price across the world for
our failure to be true to who we say we are.
Speaker 1: Madam President, our producer has just shared with us that
she has a clip from the Golden Globes that she'd
like to play right now.
Speaker 5: Disrespect invites disrespect, Violence incites violence. When they powerful use
their position to bully others, we all lose. It was
that moment when the person asking to sin in the
most respected seat in our country imitated a disabled reporter,
someone he outranked in privilege, power and the capacity to
fight back. It kind of broke my heart when I
saw it, and I still can't get it out of
my head because it wasn't in a movie. It was
real life, and it's instinct to humiliate. When it's modeled
by someone in the public platform, by someone powerful, it
filters down into everybody's life because it kind of gives
permission for other people to do the same thing.
Speaker 1: Madam President, we have about four minutes before before the
end of our show.
Speaker 2: I have seen I remember even even watching Meryl Street,
but she said that people in power giving permission to
violate norms, to violate a human rights, to use language,
to just simply not care anymore. We're saying all across
our country language and actions. You know, people are saying
the quiet part out loud. Racism had for many years
at least you couldn't say certain things, You couldn't openly
believe or declare your belief for certain things. And now
it's okay. You don't have to be in hushrooms or
say them in quiet text to one another. It's okay
to say it out loud. And we're spouting off scripture,
but we're practicing hate and we're cloaking it all in
some form of perverted What people are claiming is Christianity
but violates everything that Jesus ever taught that as a
Christian minister is the most vile part of this is
that the way in which people are behaving, they're out
of one half of their mouth. It's viewing hate and
and disregard for one another. And now the other side
of the mouth claiming to be Christian, holding Bibles upside
down and standing with with I'm not sure who these
people are or who these ministers are that would that
would lay hands on Trump and claim that he's a
messenger from God. It's it's it's sickening, it really is,
because it's it's just not right. And we have to
be able to call these things uh and and name
what they are, and they're foul they're evil. I have
little y'all have to pray for me. Uh in these
last five years of my term. I've got a lot
of people in my church who agree with what Trump
is doing, and we have denominations like mine. We uh
in my perusal or trolling if you will, social media
while I'm on sabbatical, we did sign off on a
joint letter between the Unit Church of Christ and Disciples
of Christ a poe what happened in Venezuela. And there's
all kinds of comments. The church should not be evolved
in politics. This is political. I don't know what's become
of our denomination. This leadership is taking us down the
wrong path. There were lots of people in support of it,
but there are still people who believe that being Christian
being silent and just not having anything to do with
what's happening to human beings. Jesus chose to read from
Isaiah sixty one. Spirit of the Lord is upon me
to set at liberty those are who are captive. Jesus
said his job was to free the oppressed, take care
of poor people, and to create a different society. Jesus
chose that and said that so I've got to follow
what Jesus says, and I think that's where hope must lie.
Of all people of faith would be true to who
they say they are and build coalitions, and like we've
ever seen before, there is hope that we can turn
this thing around. But we can't be silent. We can't
be silent, Madam President. Happy New Year, Happy New Year, Sir.
Speaker 1: I'm so looking forward to the year that we're going
to spend with Reverend Terry hord Owens over the course
of the new year right here on Mondays and the
Faith not to Fall. I'm Jesse Jackson Jr. You've been
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