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<v Speaker 1>Joe Escalante live from Hollywood by Hollywood, I mean Burbank

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<v Speaker 1>this weekend. Sorry about all the traveling, not that you care,

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<v Speaker 1>but I am once again somewhere. Last weekend I was

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<v Speaker 1>in Washington, D C. For the Van's Warped Tour with Sublime,

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<v Speaker 1>the band that I manage, and then this week the

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<v Speaker 1>band that I'm in. We are in New York City

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<v Speaker 1>where we have a show at Irving Plaza, and then

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<v Speaker 1>we had one at the Punk Sylvania Festival with hundreds

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<v Speaker 1>of bands. This festival is so small. The Vandals are headlining.

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<v Speaker 1>So let's get to it the box office. This show

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<v Speaker 1>is actually recorded prior to the weekend. But the predictions

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<v Speaker 1>for the weekend, let's see if they came true. We

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<v Speaker 1>got twenty eight years later from Sony. This one's expected

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<v Speaker 1>to be number one highly anticipated horror sequel from Danny

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<v Speaker 1>Boyle and Alex Garland, and predictions generally ranged in the

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<v Speaker 1>forty to fifty million range for the opening weekend. And

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<v Speaker 1>you know, horror sequels with a strong pedigree like this

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<v Speaker 1>one does, they can often overperform. So maybe it did.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe you didn't. What about L e O L E

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<v Speaker 1>oh from Disney Pixar it's an original animated film also

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<v Speaker 1>debuting this weekend, and Pixar is seeing mixed results with

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<v Speaker 1>original content lately so compared to the sequels, so we'll

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<v Speaker 1>see how it does. Predictions are like twenty five million

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<v Speaker 1>to thirty five million. That Disney has a problem because

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<v Speaker 1>they have so much IP in their vaults and it's

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<v Speaker 1>so easy to just make another version of something, make

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<v Speaker 1>a live action version of The Lion King, make a

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<v Speaker 1>live action Leelo and Stitch and the original stuff. If

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<v Speaker 1>they don't do well, then someone says, hey, stop you

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<v Speaker 1>who at the last meeting said we should do something original.

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<v Speaker 1>You You're fired. Stock went down five percent? You know,

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<v Speaker 1>do you want to be that guy? No? So you say, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>what have we got? Swis Family Robinson's Let's do it?

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<v Speaker 1>And I know people who work there and they have

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<v Speaker 1>quit because they just they they find their lack of

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<v Speaker 1>creativity in the constant reimagining of IP rather than coming

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<v Speaker 1>up with something new. But you know what, I think

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<v Speaker 1>there's things you could come up with that are new

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<v Speaker 1>but are old. Let's take a movie like Song of

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<v Speaker 1>the Self band all over the world because of the

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<v Speaker 1>joyful slaves that play a big part in the movie.

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<v Speaker 1>If you've ever seen this, you know what I'm talking about.

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<v Speaker 1>They're pretty joyful and they sing some amazing songs. And

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<v Speaker 1>at some point people said, uh, that's not a good look.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, Uh, let's not depict them slaves as happy.

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<v Speaker 1>We don't want to whitewash it. So they just got

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<v Speaker 1>rid of the movie. What you could reimagine that movie

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<v Speaker 1>and you could just say, in a world where where

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<v Speaker 1>white people are slaves, and uh, I don't know, that's

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<v Speaker 1>what That's all I got. So maybe I'll feed it

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<v Speaker 1>into my Google Gemini and see what comes out. Let's

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<v Speaker 1>see the Song of the South. What about song of

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<v Speaker 1>the Middle East? Now I see, Now I'm things just

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<v Speaker 1>starting to trigger. I was in Egypt last year, and uh,

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<v Speaker 1>you know that, you know how people tell you that,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, you know, actually there are more slaves today

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<v Speaker 1>and then there were during the Civil War on the earth.

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<v Speaker 1>That's how they talked to Okay, I don't know if

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<v Speaker 1>that's true or not, and uh, it's probably different degrees

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<v Speaker 1>of slavery. But then there's countries in the Middle East

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<v Speaker 1>that people tell me slavery is either legal or at

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<v Speaker 1>least just not prosecuted, and then I was in Egypt,

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<v Speaker 1>and then I was staying at the Four Seasons Nile.

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<v Speaker 1>And if you ever get a chance to stay at

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<v Speaker 1>the Four Seasons on the Nile, you gotta do it.

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<v Speaker 1>It's exactly what you think would be. It's insane. So

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<v Speaker 1>four Seasons at the Nile. I'm down at the pool.

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<v Speaker 1>There's like wealthy Arab families. Clearly slaves. Clearly slaves are

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<v Speaker 1>taking care of their kids. And I mean they're not

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<v Speaker 1>even allowed to sit on chairs. One was allowed to

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<v Speaker 1>sit on a nice chest. And when I say clearly

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<v Speaker 1>they are slaves, I'm like, I'm absolutely twenty percent certain

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<v Speaker 1>that these are slaves. I don't know. They say, there's

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<v Speaker 1>all these slaves. I'm looking at them right in front

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<v Speaker 1>of me. And then they busted it out into song

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<v Speaker 1>and I stopped him. I threw him all into the pool.

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<v Speaker 1>I said, that's offensive. Do not be happy, do not

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<v Speaker 1>What was that song you were just singing, ma'am zippity

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<v Speaker 1>doo doo. Never sing that again. Okay, don't make me

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<v Speaker 1>come back here. Okay. I don't know how we got

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<v Speaker 1>on that tangent, but back to the box office, yeah, Ilio,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know. Maybe it'll do well. How to Train

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<v Speaker 1>Your Dragon Stronghold over from last weekend probably be doing

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<v Speaker 1>big business this weekend. And this is a live action

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<v Speaker 1>adaptation that had a strong opening last weekend, and it's

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<v Speaker 1>you know, competition, isn't that great? It's gonna be big again.

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<v Speaker 1>Leelo and Stitch still probably do eight to ten million

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<v Speaker 1>this weekend. Mission Impossible, unlike the episode that we put

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<v Speaker 1>out last week, which we called Listen Impossible, the Final

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<v Speaker 1>Reckoning still be floating around The Materialists. Now this one

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<v Speaker 1>will probably bump up a little bit. Is this the wait?

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<v Speaker 1>Is this the yeah? This is the first weekend of

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<v Speaker 1>The Materialist because I saw at a preview. Now, I

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<v Speaker 1>sat at a preview, so last weekend it did something,

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<v Speaker 1>but I start at a preview before that, and then

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<v Speaker 1>this weekend there and estimating five to seven million. What

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<v Speaker 1>do you need to know about The Materialists? It's kind

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<v Speaker 1>of an exciting movie. I was happy I saw it.

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<v Speaker 1>I could have seen Mission Impossible or Lelo and Stitch,

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<v Speaker 1>and then I just took a left turn and said

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna go see this. It's directed by Selene's Song

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<v Speaker 1>and you might remember her from the film Past Lives,

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<v Speaker 1>which was critically acclaimed, Oscar nominated, and this is her

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<v Speaker 1>sophomore effort, and I got to say, it's even better

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<v Speaker 1>the Past Lives. Now. I don't know if you remember

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<v Speaker 1>Past Lives. It was basically a really deep kind of

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<v Speaker 1>movie about these two kids, Nora and High Song, and

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<v Speaker 1>they're super tight growing up in Korea. But then Nora's

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<v Speaker 1>family dips to America. Fast forward like twenty years, and

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<v Speaker 1>they reconnect online and eventually meet up in New York.

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<v Speaker 1>They you know, check out each other's lives, and then

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<v Speaker 1>what happens. I mean, it was a while since I've

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<v Speaker 1>seen it, but Nora, who's actually married. Now that's a problem,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's all about, Hey, these old you know, connections

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<v Speaker 1>stick with you even if you've moved on, and then

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<v Speaker 1>you contemplate the different lives you could have lived. Who

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<v Speaker 1>hasn't done that. I contemplate that all the time, and

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<v Speaker 1>I always come back to wow, I think I better off.

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<v Speaker 1>So anyway, so back to the Materialists, materialist movie, I

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<v Speaker 1>recommend it. She goes see it. Star studied cast if

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<v Speaker 1>you call Dakota Johnson, Chris Evans, and Pedro Pascal as

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<v Speaker 1>star studied, pretty star study, but Pedro Pascal is in

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<v Speaker 1>every movie. Have you noticed. You go see a movie,

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<v Speaker 1>he's in the trailers and you come out and he's

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<v Speaker 1>in another poster. So here's a plot. Lucy is a

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<v Speaker 1>successful matchmaker in New York City. She doesn't make a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of money herself, but she's only doing high end

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<v Speaker 1>relationships and you know it, they're all transactional to her.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a merger of assets and lifestyles. But her own

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<v Speaker 1>romantic life gets complicated when she finds herself torn between

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<v Speaker 1>two very different men. Harry, who embodies her materialistic philosophy

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<v Speaker 1>with his wealth and stability. And of course there's John,

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<v Speaker 1>her ex with whom she shares a deep emotional history

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<v Speaker 1>but lacks financial security. He's like, you know, a waiter

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<v Speaker 1>slash caterer. He's a waiterer. The film explores the tension

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<v Speaker 1>between love and money. I mean, this is an old theme,

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<v Speaker 1>but she does it really well, asking whether a genuine

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<v Speaker 1>connection can survive in a world where material concerns heavily influenced.

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<v Speaker 1>Romantic choices delves into the math of modern love. She's

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<v Speaker 1>always doing math. It's just just do the math. Is

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<v Speaker 1>this a match or not? And a key plot point

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<v Speaker 1>involves Lucy's disillusionment with her job after a client she

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<v Speaker 1>matched experiences with some other guy had a very negative outcome,

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<v Speaker 1>and then she questions her cynical view of relationships and

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<v Speaker 1>this influences where she's going to end up in the

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<v Speaker 1>end of the movie. And it has an amazing other

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<v Speaker 1>plot twist of what she what she finds. There's mister

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<v Speaker 1>Wright and then there's mister Cool. Now mister Wright has

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<v Speaker 1>a secret too, of course he does. Nobody's a ten

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<v Speaker 1>a ten out of a ten and his secret is.

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<v Speaker 1>So I just love that this was a plot point

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<v Speaker 1>in a movie, his secret, And you got to see

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<v Speaker 1>the movie of I know what his secret is? What

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<v Speaker 1>is Pedro Pascal's secret? What nobody could be that perfect?

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<v Speaker 1>What's wrong with him? You would never guess it in

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<v Speaker 1>a million years, although there are some hints dropped along

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<v Speaker 1>the way in the film. All Right, we're going to

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<v Speaker 1>take a break and come back. I'll talk a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit more about this movie and some others and some

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<v Speaker 1>other business on Joe Escalante Live from Hollywood. Joe Escalante

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<v Speaker 1>Live from Hollywood. We are back, coming to you from

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<v Speaker 1>New York City this weekend and next weekend. Coming to

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<v Speaker 1>you from Utah, Salt Lake City at the X Games.

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<v Speaker 1>Live from the X Games. How do you like that? Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>we get around, We're all over the place. Let's go

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<v Speaker 1>back to The Materialist. Did you see it during the break?

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<v Speaker 1>Did you push pause on your podcast? Go see it

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<v Speaker 1>and then come back. That would have been a good

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<v Speaker 1>idea too, but now it's too late. Okay. So another

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<v Speaker 1>thing about this movie. It's from A twenty four, so

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<v Speaker 1>obviously it's art house, you know, art house that push

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<v Speaker 1>the boundaries. Now people are calling it a rom com,

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<v Speaker 1>but there's no jokes. Okay, rom drama, I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>And most people like it. They call it, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>smart and witty and honest. But I'll tell you this

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<v Speaker 1>is it's another movie that where like a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>these movies, like I was listening to the podcast of

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<v Speaker 1>Brett Easton Ellis the other day and he's talking to

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<v Speaker 1>another writer and they were discussing how they can't they

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<v Speaker 1>don't want to write stories that take place in a

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<v Speaker 1>world with cell phones, so they write stories from the

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<v Speaker 1>eighties or earlier because a cell phone complicates everything, Like

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<v Speaker 1>you have some drama. You have some conflict, but you

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<v Speaker 1>could you just call use the phone, look up Google anything.

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<v Speaker 1>Characters can't get lost in these movies about today's people

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<v Speaker 1>because of Google maps. So people just don't want to

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<v Speaker 1>write in that world this movie. I like many movies,

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<v Speaker 1>they instead of the phone, the phone is there. But

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<v Speaker 1>what is not there is religion. And I usually come

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<v Speaker 1>from the view of Catholicism. Now, if these people were Catholic,

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<v Speaker 1>they couldn't do any of this stuff. They wouldn't be

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<v Speaker 1>obsessed with premarital sex. They wouldn't be living together and

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<v Speaker 1>trying people out to see if they're a good match,

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<v Speaker 1>and be sleeping with each other to see if they're compatible.

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<v Speaker 1>They wouldn't be doing any of that. They'd be saving

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<v Speaker 1>themselves and they would have a spiritual connection. Then when

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<v Speaker 1>they would make this solemn religious problem promise to God

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<v Speaker 1>and the just unbreakable and they would never break it.

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<v Speaker 1>So the matchmaker be out. I mean, you could have

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<v Speaker 1>a matchmaker. I think is a big role for a matchmaker.

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<v Speaker 1>Of course in religions, like in the movie what is

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<v Speaker 1>that Fiddler on the roof? Is that the matchmaker? One? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>Matchmaker or is it gental I didn't see ental suf

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<v Speaker 1>Fiddler on the roof. Yeah, matchmaker. So it can be done.

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<v Speaker 1>But you have to assume that all these people have

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<v Speaker 1>the whole what do you call that prosperity ministry. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>those people are materialistic. They believe in like speaking things

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<v Speaker 1>into existence and what do they call it, positive confession,

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<v Speaker 1>in this life. So that does exist. I guess you could,

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<v Speaker 1>see only movies where everybody's capfulic I get it. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>what if you wanted to see The Materialists? It's into

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<v Speaker 1>where can you see it? I think it's coming to HBO.

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<v Speaker 1>Right next up on the Big Show, P Diddy, I

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<v Speaker 1>at all. The Judge I issued a stern warning this

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<v Speaker 1>it for P Diddy, But it might have been the

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<v Speaker 1>prosecution may have rested its case. Okay, Now what happens

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<v Speaker 1>next week. How about the Justin Baldini case. I know

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<v Speaker 1>underlying dispute about sexual harassment and hostile workplace environment, this

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<v Speaker 1>break and come back with more. I got some Disney news,

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<v Speaker 1>I got some you never know what I got up

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<v Speaker 1>my sleeve kind of news after this. Joe Scalante Live

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<v Speaker 1>from Hollywood. Joe Scalante Live from Hollywood. If by Hollywood

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<v Speaker 1>need a burbank. This is two hours of the business

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<v Speaker 1>end of show business. We do it every Sunday on

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<v Speaker 1>podcast version. They turn the show into a podcast miraculously,

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<v Speaker 1>wherever you get your podcasts. Okay, all right, let's go

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<v Speaker 1>to a Supreme Court case on intellectual property. Can you

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<v Speaker 1>imagine this week? June seventeenth, the US Supreme Court officially

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<v Speaker 1>rejected a bid to revive the copyright claim against Ed

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<v Speaker 1>Sheeran over his twenty fourteen hit song Thinking Out Loud.

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<v Speaker 1>This decision brings an end to the decade long legal battle.

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<v Speaker 1>This is a sub total bum out. Poor guy. The

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<v Speaker 1>villain here is a company called Structured Asset Sales, which

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<v Speaker 1>holds copyright into st interests in Marvin Gay's Let's Get

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<v Speaker 1>It On, And they alleged that Cheeran copied the melody,

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<v Speaker 1>harmonies and rhythm of this Marvin Gate nineteen seventy three classic.

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<v Speaker 1>Now you can see how since here this is the

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<v Speaker 1>family and Marvin Gay family has sold the rights to

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<v Speaker 1>and they are suing everybody inside because of the terrible

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<v Speaker 1>decision that was made years ago, claiming that Pharrell Williams

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<v Speaker 1>and Robin Thick, Robin Thick or it's this kid. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>Robin think his dad is Alan. His dad's from my generation.

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<v Speaker 1>Alan think he was famous. So Robin think Pharrell Williams

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<v Speaker 1>they didn't. And I'll I'll go over it again. The

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<v Speaker 1>copyrighted material that was protected something. If you copyright something,

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<v Speaker 1>it's protected. What was partet in that case was the copyright.

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<v Speaker 1>The copyright had sheet music in it, and the judge

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<v Speaker 1>let the jury hear the finished recording with piles and

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<v Speaker 1>piles and piles and piles of unprotected material on it,

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<v Speaker 1>and then the protected material that's in the copyright is

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<v Speaker 1>the only thing the should been played. They should have

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<v Speaker 1>had a string cortet come out there and play that

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<v Speaker 1>and the expressions in the Robin Thick Farrell Williams song.

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<v Speaker 1>But instead they compared something that is where like the

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<v Speaker 1>final version of the Marvin gay song. So they could

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<v Speaker 1>go take the final versions and say, oh, okay, you

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<v Speaker 1>stole that. Well, it's just you know, they're inspired by that.

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<v Speaker 1>And then they did what everybody else does, listen to

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<v Speaker 1>of this song, and that jury said, well, you can't

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<v Speaker 1>take the feel. Oh my gosh, yeah you can. You

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<v Speaker 1>can take the feel. So in this case, the same

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<v Speaker 1>company comes after. Maybe it's after that that the Marvin

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<v Speaker 1>Gaye family sold it to these people, but I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>So these people are running around suing people since they

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<v Speaker 1>got a bad decision, and finally a court said no,

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<v Speaker 1>the Supreme Court and they said, yeah, you're not getting

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<v Speaker 1>a bad decision. Go away. So that's why I call

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<v Speaker 1>them the villains. Whoever this company has structured asset sales. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>he already won the case in twenty twenty three. So

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<v Speaker 1>Supreme Court confirms the lower court it's findings in favor

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<v Speaker 1>of she Ran and saying that these similarities were mere

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<v Speaker 1>common musical building blocks. So go pound sand. And this

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<v Speaker 1>in the Robin Thick Pharrell Marvin Gay case. No, it's

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<v Speaker 1>not the world you want to live. You want people

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<v Speaker 1>this world where that's how artists are shackled? I don't

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<v Speaker 1>think we do. Okay, let's go to the phones. Just kidding,

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<v Speaker 1>taping this, Okay? Anyway, what's going on in the Harvey

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<v Speaker 1>the Weinstein world. She testified that she was seeking professional

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<v Speaker 1>the police and continue to have contact with Weinstein for

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<v Speaker 1>some time afterwards, even sending cordial emails, signed lots of

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<v Speaker 1>love and seeking professional favors. So yeah, she's milking it.

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<v Speaker 1>That hurts her testimony, but she ultimately prevailed in this claim.

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<v Speaker 1>She explained that her continued contact was because she was

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<v Speaker 1>trying to and this is in quotes, navigate the whole situation.

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<v Speaker 1>So that's her excuse. I'm trying to navigate the whole situation, okay.

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<v Speaker 1>She wanted to preserve any potential professional opportunities and cope

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<v Speaker 1>with the trauma by suppressing a lot of things. She

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<v Speaker 1>also testified about another sexual encounter a few weeks later

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<v Speaker 1>at a hotel that she described as unwanted but which

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<v Speaker 1>she didn't physically resist. Basically had sex with them and

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<v Speaker 1>then she felt stupid. She said she did it. She

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<v Speaker 1>agreed to it because she felt stupid for having agreed

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<v Speaker 1>to meet him. You know, maybe she was afraid. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>but you know what, We're gonna explore this att flirt

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<v Speaker 1>further since this is, you know, almost done kind of.

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<v Speaker 1>But first we shall go to traffic. Joe Scalante live

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<v Speaker 1>from Hollywood.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Joe Ascalanti, here's my lawyer. You don't want money.

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<v Speaker 1>Joe Scalante live from Hollywood. If by Hollywood you mean Burbank.

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<v Speaker 1>Two hours of the business, end of show business right

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<v Speaker 1>here on k e IB eleven fifty, your am dial. Okay. So,

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<v Speaker 1>in the Weinstein retrial, guilty criminal sexual act in the

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<v Speaker 1>first degree with Miriam Haley, we just told you who

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<v Speaker 1>Miriam Haley was. In the last break, she was found

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<v Speaker 1>not guilty of another criminal sexual act involving Kaja Socola. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>who is Kadja Socola. Let's read, Let's let's go down

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<v Speaker 1>memory lane with that one. Who is Kaja Sokolaw? Now,

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<v Speaker 1>if you remember, Kaja Sokola is the Polish born former

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<v Speaker 1>model and aspiring actress who became an accuser in the

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<v Speaker 1>Harvey Weinstein sex crimes original trial, and she was just

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<v Speaker 1>used in that trial as an example of prior bad acts,

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<v Speaker 1>and she wasn't a it wasn't a separate charge. But

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<v Speaker 1>in the retrial, looks like she became a new charge.

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<v Speaker 1>And if you remember and which which he was, he

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<v Speaker 1>was found not guilty of Okay, So what did she say.

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<v Speaker 1>It's pretty much the same old stuff. She met Weinstein

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<v Speaker 1>in two thousand and two. That's why it was so

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<v Speaker 1>long ago. It wasn't really a part of the original claim.

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<v Speaker 1>When she was about sixteen years old, she was on

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<v Speaker 1>a modeling trip to New York and she met him

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<v Speaker 1>and was invited to his apartment to discuss her acting career,

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<v Speaker 1>but once there, she was told to take off her

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<v Speaker 1>clothes and rub his naughty bits. She described feeling scared, confused.

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<v Speaker 1>If you want to be an actress, that's what actors

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<v Speaker 1>do in films, you should get used to it. That's

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<v Speaker 1>what she said that he said, so not guilty, And

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<v Speaker 1>a juror actually spoke out and said they didn't find

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<v Speaker 1>her credible because of her continuing relationship and just her testimony,

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<v Speaker 1>and she said she couldn't come to terms with the

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<v Speaker 1>alleged abuse at the time, you know, and so she

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<v Speaker 1>you know, they found diary entries. She didn't talk about this,

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<v Speaker 1>like it wasn't that big a deal. She didn't even

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<v Speaker 1>talk about her her diary. But she said she couldn't

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<v Speaker 1>trying to like just kind of rewrite her life and

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<v Speaker 1>career and her career choices. Now, the jury also couldn't

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<v Speaker 1>reach a verdict in a third case brought by a

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<v Speaker 1>woman named Jessica Man. Now, let's go down memory lane

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<v Speaker 1>and remember who Jessica Man is. Jessica Man was an

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<v Speaker 1>aspiring actress and cosmetologist in her late twenties when she

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<v Speaker 1>met Harvey Weinstein around twenty twelve or twenty thirteen in LA.

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<v Speaker 1>Like the other accusers, she testified that Weinstein initially showed

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<v Speaker 1>interest in her career, leading her to believe that he

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<v Speaker 1>could help her. She described a complex and often degrading

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<v Speaker 1>relationship that lasted about five years. So this guy, I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>he was accused of sexually assaulting these women who he thought,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I think he's a perv and he shouldn't

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<v Speaker 1>do this, and he was married. On top of all this,

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<v Speaker 1>that he was these girls had him believe at least

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<v Speaker 1>that they they thought they were getting something out of it.

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<v Speaker 1>So I believe that he didn't think he was raping them.

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<v Speaker 1>He's just disgusting, you know. He just thinks, ah, this

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<v Speaker 1>is you know, I'm gonna help him, and this is

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<v Speaker 1>how it works in Hollywood. So and again, she said

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<v Speaker 1>it alternated between him being charming and being like aggressive

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<v Speaker 1>and abusive. She called him a doctor Jekylo and mister Hyde.

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<v Speaker 1>And the word no was a trigger. How do you

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<v Speaker 1>like that one? Whoever came up to that one should

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<v Speaker 1>get a bonus? No was a trigger, Ladies and gentleman

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<v Speaker 1>of the jury, She said no, and then it was on.

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<v Speaker 1>So the core accusation of Jessica Mand's case revolved around

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<v Speaker 1>an incident at a hotel in Midtown Manhattan in March

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<v Speaker 1>of twenty thirteen. I cannot tell you which hotel it is,

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<v Speaker 1>but there were two trees involved. Okay, you get it.

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<v Speaker 1>She testified that she was in New York with a

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<v Speaker 1>friend who was supposed to meet Weinstein for breakfast. Instead,

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<v Speaker 1>she found him checking into the hotel. Can you imagine

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<v Speaker 1>Harvey Weinstein checking into a hotel with two trees involved?

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<v Speaker 1>My camp? But he did it because he's a perf.

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<v Speaker 1>She said he became angry with him with her and

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<v Speaker 1>told her he demanded she come up to his room,

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<v Speaker 1>and of course she went up to the room, tried

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<v Speaker 1>to leave, he grabbed her, demanded she undressed. She recounted

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<v Speaker 1>a moment there where she just gave up due to

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<v Speaker 1>the aggression and her fear. And there's what she said,

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<v Speaker 1>He raped her. This is Jessica, man, This one didn't stick.

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<v Speaker 1>This is where they found the erection inducing syringe in

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<v Speaker 1>the bathroom, or she said she found it. You gotta

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<v Speaker 1>take pictures of stuff like that. That's what I see.

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<v Speaker 1>But anyway, this is all I mean. It's hard to

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<v Speaker 1>judge these people. She also testified about a previous instant

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<v Speaker 1>before that in La where he forced himself on her

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<v Speaker 1>during their first private meeting in a hotel room. This

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<v Speaker 1>guy loves hotel rooms, and then he invited her up

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<v Speaker 1>there of course to you know, talk about careers. She

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<v Speaker 1>said that one was a real battle, but despite these assaults,

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<v Speaker 1>she still maintained a relationship. Said she was trying to

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<v Speaker 1>buy time. She believed that maintaining contact might take the

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<v Speaker 1>pain away or create a path for her career. This

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<v Speaker 1>just shows you how hard it is to be an

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<v Speaker 1>actress and to be in the entertainment industry. So I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know anyway, I know you're wondering, how often does

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<v Speaker 1>this happen to your host? Almost never? But I did

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<v Speaker 1>have one situation where a film was offered to me

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<v Speaker 1>to direct. All I had to do was bad stuff

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<v Speaker 1>and that film was never made. Just leave it there, okay, Now, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>So these these Jessica man Kaja Sokola and and Miriam Haley,

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<v Speaker 1>those things, those are the three charges, the main ones.

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<v Speaker 1>Miriam Haley, this one sticks. And then okay, so what's

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<v Speaker 1>going on with the guy?

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<v Speaker 2>Now?

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<v Speaker 1>I think you're sick of this and you just want

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<v Speaker 1>to He remains incarcerated despite the overturned twenty twenty New

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<v Speaker 1>York conviction. Weinstein has been serving a sixteen year sentence

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<v Speaker 1>from his separate twenty twenty two California conviction and the

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<v Speaker 1>New York conviction which was thrown out. You know, actually

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<v Speaker 1>the one that's now been affirmed twice is a potential

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<v Speaker 1>twenty five year sentence. So in July second there will

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<v Speaker 1>be sentencing on this new conviction for Miriam Haley, but

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<v Speaker 1>he's still serving time for the other one. So he's dying.

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<v Speaker 1>He's dying in prison. That's all we can say. Even

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<v Speaker 1>though he's appealing that California thing. Actually, he could win

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<v Speaker 1>his appeal in the California one and you could feel

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<v Speaker 1>this and you could be set free. Is it gonna happen?

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<v Speaker 1>Probably not. Am I gonna talk about this ever again?

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<v Speaker 1>Probably not. Okay, thank you for indulging me for me.

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<v Speaker 1>I just want I wanted to get the party straight too,

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<v Speaker 1>and so in this report I was able to get

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<v Speaker 1>the parties straight again. Okay, I got one more thing

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<v Speaker 1>for you. Kind of interesting. There's a liquid death beverage

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<v Speaker 1>coming out that has evidently contains DNA of Ozzy Osbourne

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<v Speaker 1>in it, so recent marketing initiative featuring a some juice

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<v Speaker 1>from his DNA. Just I mean, what does DNA taste

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<v Speaker 1>like anyway? Are you gonna notice it? Probably not? Is

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00:36:46.239 --> 00:36:49.639
<v Speaker 1>it poisonous? I hope not, But it's open to peculiar

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<v Speaker 1>discussion on the intersection of like celebrity branding and future

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<v Speaker 1>bio legal considerations that we never thought would happen. Ten

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<v Speaker 1>limit edition Infinite Ozzie iced tea cans were sold, each

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00:37:00.519 --> 00:37:08.239
<v Speaker 1>containing purportedly trace amounts of mister Osborne saliva, DNA, so

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<v Speaker 1>Ozzy spit. The explicit premise of the campaign was to

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<v Speaker 1>future potential was for future potential fans to clone mister Osborne,

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<v Speaker 1>should technology and federal law permit. While human reproductive cloning

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<v Speaker 1>from such samples remains outside current scientific capability and is

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<v Speaker 1>widely prohibited or restricted by existing state law and international laws,

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<v Speaker 1>this promotion raises interesting hypotheticals, you know, regarding the ownership

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<v Speaker 1>and the intended use of genetic material in a commercial context.

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<v Speaker 1>And let's just be glad nobody's proposed yet to clone

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<v Speaker 1>share in Osbourne. All right, that does it for this one,

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<v Speaker 1>And I now leave you with a taste of the

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<v Speaker 1>greatest song ever written.
