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Speaker 1: What is up, fellowsikos, I am Dan Favalley coming at

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you with the one the Only, Mort Jensen of NBA podcast,

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fame of Yahoo Sports, fame of Forbes, fame of HBO,

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Max fame now and also most notably of OnlyFans celebrity,

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mister Mort Jensen. Before we talk. We're here to talk

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about just extensions, all signed by not They're not all

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conventional rookie extensions because a couple of them came from

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second round picks or undrafted guys. But we're gonna get

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into what we think of the extensions, as well as

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talk about the players who did not sign extensions, because

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sometimes that is just as fascinating. We haven't had a

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chance to do that. We thought it'd be a good

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time to do it now as we're still mainlining the

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start of the NBA season. Now I can ask you,

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mister mort Jensen, how the heck are you doing?

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Speaker 2: I am doing very very well, thank you. This is

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one of the first times that I've actually been healthy

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over the course of like a month or so, because

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remember when I was just a mess, to be honest

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with you, just a mess that was like for a

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month and a half. Now I've been healthy and feeling

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good for like a month. So obviously, as I say

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this out loud, I just jinxed my ass. But no,

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I'm I'm I'm having a blast the NBA season this underway. Now,

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got a new job, as you alluded to, so I

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can't complain.

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Speaker 1: Well, we're here for the complaints, so try and find one.

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Speaker 2: Well, that's gonna be tough, man, it's a it's good vibes.

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Speaker 1: You want to complain about the Bulls number ranked defense,

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number one ranked defense, go ahead.

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Speaker 2: You don't want Honestly, I don't have a lot to

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complain about with the Bulls because I've noticed something. If

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we want to get there a little.

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Speaker 1: No, that's not what this podcast is when you stay

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on topic. I was what I actually wanted to ask

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you was before we dig into the extensions, like go

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extension by extension, did you note any themes coming out

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of these negotiations or any thoughts that you had, like

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just coming out of the rookie extension season about where

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these types of transactions are headed.

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Speaker 2: It's funny you ask that because I've wrote about that

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over at Yahoo Sports and basically almost like, oh you

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did well. Now I'm flattered. Technically, I'm you know, we

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don't know with certain absolute certainty whether you know, two

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players picking up the qualifying offer is going to have

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like a sort of effect on the future market. We

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don't know that it depends on the amount of money

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being available and whatnot, but it does feel like restricted

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free agency players are realizing just the deadness of it

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that it's just no longer a viable option for them

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to go in and earn their money. So they seem

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to be split into two camps. One there's the camp

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that just goes, I'm going to bet on myself so

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much that I'm going to be like a max contract player,

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so I become you know, quote unquote unavoidable. The second

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camp is the new Kola Yovic camp, where you just go, oh,

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you know, I'll sign whatever you put in front of

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me because I just don't want to go through that

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whole thing with the uncertainty and you squeezing me and

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and everything involved there. So it's going to be fascinating

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players adjust to this market, because how long has it

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three off seasons ago somewhere along. Is that real?

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Speaker 2: It was a real one. Yeah, But like it's it's

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something that has changed the market a little bit. Like

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you know, the the raw idea of restrictiveree agency is

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nice because it basically means you can go out and

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sit your market, you can get paid, which you're hopefully

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Speaker 1: Do you think if they decrease the amount of time

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of time incumbent teams have to match, if that would

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sheets like three o'clock in the morning, and an alarm

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goes off somewhere in you know, Charlotte's headquarters, that Brandon Miller,

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when he's a restricted free agent, got this offer sheet

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from Detroit out I'm just pulling stuff out of my

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butt right now. One. I feel like that would make

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for a ton of interesting anecdotes. But I do wonder

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where you don't want to tie up your cap space

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in someone else knowing you're not going to get them,

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think we should have one off season where we just

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go absolutely nuts, like one one hour to match basically,

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Speaker 1: Only be given out between. We'll make like a certain

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window like between twelve pm Eastern time and what like

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six pm, like just a six hour window, and that's

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where all the RFA business needs to happen.

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Speaker 2: Boom, there we go. See now that's actually putting some

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mustard on the whole thing. And more to it, the

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month before we need to do something even more drastic

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just to get everyone wild the NBA Draft lottery one

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hour before the draft.

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Speaker 1: Oh that was I guess there's not a ton of

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transactions that would kill the draft day transaction market.

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Speaker 2: Though, but it would be fun. Like imagine eight seam

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just coming up from like, oh, we're respecting it to

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draft twelve. Oh now, how we're picking one?

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Speaker 1: Like, I mean, it's easy when there's a Cooper flag

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in the draft, but you're putting them in a weird

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position where if it was the year before, where it was, well,

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we're gonna take saar Resche or who are you gonna

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take there? That's I don't know if I would be

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a fan of that one. And also the problem with

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my window one, you're encouraging tampering at that point because

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these contracts in theory can't be negotiated within.

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Speaker 2: Like all right, because any right, And.

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Speaker 1: So I care about the integrity of the NBA, But

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because I do think what's happening with restricted free agency

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is kind of just a larger sign of what's happened

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to the NBA offseason in general, is that there's less

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transacting on the free agency market. I don't know what

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brings it back. I thought you and I have actually

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talked about this. I think I thought we'd get to

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a point where the money would just matter so much

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that players wouldn't betting on their own under I mean,

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I thought the money would just matter so much that

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these guys would want to hit free agency. And it doesn't.

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pretty insane and we're not seeing it happen.

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Speaker 2: No. And look, I get it, like players want the security,

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they want the extensions, and that's why these superstars, like

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this thing where I want to experience free agency. I

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want to be whined and dined like Lebron James going

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on his tour in twenty ten.

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Speaker 1: Where you're being held captive.

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Speaker 2: Right, one of the greatest nights on Twitter of all time,

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basically Carmelo Anthony going on his tour just to shop

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around and ultimately re signing with the Knicks and.

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Speaker 1: The Laker's putting Stay D twelve on a billboard.

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Speaker 2: That wasn't thirsty at all. But like that is that

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Speaker 1: These conversations are happening in like January, right.

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it is now. Right, It's basically just you know, ad

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walking around and shoot around to someone and someone coming

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down like yo, want to come talk? Okay, like the

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thing he walks out like one hundred and eighty million.

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and it's not really all that interesting for fans, which

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I actually I think the NBA greatly enjoyed that fans

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when they had these major free agency shows and they

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leaned into it, like they still have those shows, but

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those shows are like water now compared to you know,

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ten years ago, because what is the conversation, Oh, who

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Speaker 1: It was so grant and I have done a block

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of Bleacher reports free agency, so in the past two

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or three years, definitely less two. And it was in

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the summer of twenty twenty four the KCP contract news

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hits like right away, and so we were like, oh,

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this is gonna be it's about to get nuts, and

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that ended up being the biggest move we talked about

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like all night, and Adam Silver had mentioned that basically,

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that's not really They're not focused on transactions in the offseason,

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and I think that is one in a necessary, slash

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and enviable thing to say when games are happening. But

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you are a league that has allowed your league partners

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and just allowed the League Excel to market the league

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itself as this product of transactions as teams, players changing

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teams via trades, via free agency, and you've made that

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you know, we you too far in that direction. We

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want to talk about the actual games, developments on the court,

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there's look, there's issues with any type of coverage. I'm

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not defending the coverage, but the NBA doesn't get to

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sit up there. If you like the NBA sitting up

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there and denouncing sports betting when it's no you directly

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campaigned for this.

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Speaker 2: Basically, yeah, I agree, I agree, let's bring back free

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a snoo list.

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circled to where I thought he wouldn't be this no

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brainer max guy. And if he thought he was a

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MAX guy, would he then play it out? And Trey

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that player option. Daron Fox already kind of just signed.

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a previous one and said, Oh, you're not gonna give

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I sound. If I sound unconvinced, it's because I'm not.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, no, no, because because like the team, teams need

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money to actually go out and sign guys, and that's

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about before, and they're extending a lot of players and

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they just don't have, you know, the money to go

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out and sign as the Aaron Fox or a Chilean

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Brown unless you're you're basically saying, hey, Jalen, do you

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want to sign for less? Which just kind of puts

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this you know, hypothetical have been in Boston, because the

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out and signing a veteran guy. No, No, they had

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no intention of that. They wanted to rebuild. They wanted

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to use their cap space in order to rent it out,

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which kudos, like they're not doing anything wrong. Well, you

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could argue the way they spent their five first round

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draft picks is all. We'll circle back to that one

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in a couple months. But I you know, they're not

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going to go in and say, oh, let's accelerate the

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timeline after being what into your one of the rebuilt

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That's just not a thing. So for them, you're looking

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at the midsier teams, then well, the midshr teams are

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already like semi capped out, Like they have two guys

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on forty million dollar contracts, they have a couple in

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fifteen sixty million dollars. They can't afford to go out

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and sign someone to like forty five, forty six, forty

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seven million. So like, at the end of the day,

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that's the challenge that is finding teams who are legitimately

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flush with cash and who are intriguing and actually trying

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to get better immediately.

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Speaker 1: Which the issue is kind of circular too, because the

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reason teams aren't gonna have all this money is in

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a lot of cases they're signing extensions for players themselves,

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like a lot of the non star guys. There's we

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veered outside of rookie extension territory, but this is all

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just tied together where it feels like interest in reaching

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let's call RFA the semi open market, that feels like

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it's at somewhat of an all time low. So you

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have these teams that are giving out extensions, which is

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money that's going to be on their books, and you

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approach it from two perspectives. As a player, especially if

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you have the clout, why might as well just guarantee

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myself money and then I will force myself out once

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my trade restriction lifts if I need to. And then

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as a team, it's what's the point of having cap

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space when you have no one to spend it on.

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If we're gonna make trades, we need matching money anyway.

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And I don't know, I don't even know. Is it

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a stretch to call it a problem? I guess I

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just don't know what brings back free agency in the NBA.

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I don't know We're never going to be back to

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the halcyon days of the DeAndre Jordan being held captive

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in twitters a lot, because those meetings, those type of

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meetings don't take place anymore. It's all the negotiations, like you,

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at some point, it's the question might be like which

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NBA team is most likely to have the first chat GPTGM,

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that's just doing all that, Like probably the Kings would be.

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My vote might be the one.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, it's it's in.

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Speaker 1: I don't even know if I want to call it

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an issue. It's an issue if the reporting we still

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get where the Lakers have set themselves up for twenty

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twenty seven cap space, so that heat have done this

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when Jokic and Luca could have been free agents. Luca's

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already not going to be a free agent, and why

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should we believe that Jokic is going to be a

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free agent at that time anyway, And that makes those

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reports ring hollow. And I don't know what would bring

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free agency back. It almost feels as if a rule

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would need to be implemented specifically with the design of

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incentivizing players to want to.

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Speaker 2: Go into free and see I think the only argument

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I could find towards someone being interested in the return

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of free agency. Are some of the players who feel

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a bit left out perhaps, who know that, Oh, if

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I were on the open market in the old days,

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you know, I would get the full non TAC semi

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league or something like that. Now I'm because of the

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current situation that I'm in. Everyone is capped out. Everyone

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is looking at the aprons. I'm gonna have to sign

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for like seven million a year. Like those are the

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players that are probably getting screwed a little bit who

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would want to see free agency return earn in some capacity.

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But I think most guys are actually just fine with

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the current setup because they get paid when frankly they

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want to get paid. Like Luca could have chosen not

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to sign anything. That offer was just there. You know,

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I was surprised initially. I I know, we hadn't had

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any reports on it whatsoever, But I thought he had

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an eye on San Antonio because the Spurs could have

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had max cap space next year, like they wouldn't have

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had to, you know, retain Darren Fox for example, and

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Fox wasn't on it. He was on an expiring deals

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is you could have gone into that summer and then

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if Luca was like, hey, wemby tho, Spurs would be like, oh, Arren,

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it was nice. You wanted to come here, Now go

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find a new home like they could have done that,

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but instead Luca was like, I want to I want

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to extend. Then the Spurs went to Daron Fox and

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was like, hey, you know what, sure, let's let's extend

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your ass as well. That's the way it's built now

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and players are getting paid and no one is batting

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an eye. It's only for us who cover the league

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and for the fans that we lose out on an

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entertainment product.

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Speaker 1: And I think a lot of the guys were about

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to talk about or illustrations of how much has changed?

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How's that for a segway to where it's no they

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got noticed a lot of these guys just might have

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bet on themselves previously where they knew their teams would

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have give them more money, or they would have trusted

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there will be at least one team out there that

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gives me an offer sheet that I can leverage. Dyson

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Daniels of the Atlanta Hawks, so he signs a four year,

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one hundred million dollar deal flat twenty five million dollars

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per year average of and I think it's important to

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talk about these things now and percentages of the cap

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because the dollar figures are so high. It's an average

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of fourteen percent of the salary cap.

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Speaker 2: It has no feaking steal. Oh freaking steal.

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Speaker 1: Okay, I disagree why I don't think. I want to

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make it clear. I don't think it's a bad deal.

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Speaker 2: It's what fifteen percent of the cap? Next to your

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serf for one of the best defenders in the league,

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how dare you?

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Speaker 1: Okay? Well, and if you asked the gmser if a

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one of the most versatile defenders in the league, which

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would probably disagree with there. I think is someone who

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is does what he does on defense, like where you're

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looking at someone who can blow up like an entire

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guy's night. Tyson Daniels is spectacular. He's had one and

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I know you could say this is an issue of role.

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He didn't have the opportunity or the usage in New Orleans.

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We're talking about one season's worth of evidence, and you've

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now decided that this is someone who is a fifteen

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percent of the salary cap. Guy, I guess it's I

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don't have an issue. I don't think he's overpaid. I

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just don't this feels about right for someone who still

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has a very limited track record for what the based

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off what he did last year, and there's still some

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there's a pretty big question mark in his game on

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offense when it comes to do you trust that he's

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gonna hit floaters enough or will he ever develop kind

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of a consistent yeah, perimeter game.

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Speaker 2: I hear that. I totally do. And look, if this

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had been like twenty percent of the cap, I would

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have sat there and gone, that's a tough set because again,

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you can't play, you can't play or pay one way

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players in this league. I just don't think he's a

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one way player. I thought we saw enough last year

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to at least see that, oh there is something in

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his tank that is more significantly more than what we

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saw with the Pelicans. Like if he had just made

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a marginal improvement from year two to year three, I

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too would have been skeptical, very skeptical. But the leap

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that he took, I think from the playmaking, also just

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the fact that he was able to pay some space

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himself offensively. I just think this is a tremendous deal

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and it's so tradable too. At the same time, like,

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even if last season was is going to prove to

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be a slight outlier, and he's going like his real

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value and I'm putting this in quotation marks is like

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a little less of last year's production. Yeah, you're gonna

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take one of the league's peskiest and best on ball

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defenders at fifteen percent of the cap. By the way,

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that percentage declines as the contract ages, I think it

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ends up ad. I don't want to lie to you

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and just look it up. Thirteen percent of the cap

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in twenty nine, twenty thirty. I mean, good lord, that's

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that's fine.

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Speaker 1: I think it's fine. But you're you're telling me it's

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a steal. No, I don't think you've said anything that's

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I guess where I struggle is to call it a

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steal after he's had the one standout season and you

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can say, again, he didn't have that opportunity in New Orleans.

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But it's I think it's the Hawks played it smartly

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by not going as far like everyone thought. I not everyone.

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A lot of people thought he was gonna get the

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jail and Suggs deal five for one fifteen. I thought

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that was just far too rich. And I think this

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one should end up being perfectly fine. But how often

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have we who is the archetype of player that you're

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comfortable paying fifteen percent of the salary cap to if

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on offense they're not if they're a borderline liability at

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the fall line, or they're not able to shoot any

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type of threes, and it's tough to understand what their

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offensive value is and in the context of certain lineups. Again,

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I like Dyson Daniels. He has used the word past

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is pasky great way to describe him on the defensive end,

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but it's also not yo he's If he's gonna win

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Defensive Player of the Year, it's not gonna be because

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he's been the anchor of basically an entire system. Like

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it's because people are gonna appreciate the one on one

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stuff that he's able to do in the plays that

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he's able to blow up, which again, all have a

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ton of value. I just struggled to see the pathway

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to this becoming a steal in the sense of we

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look back and it's, oh, Dyson Daniels is like a

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fringe All Star or he is an All Star.

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Speaker 2: That's interesting I mean, you see, I don't think that

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contract necessarily warns that mindset of like an all star

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or fringe All Star, because again, like if we're talking

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about fifteen percent of the cap and it goes down

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to thirteen percent of the cap, we should eyeball that.

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As someone post like what the fifth starter like somewhere

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like on the pecking.

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Speaker 1: Order, I guess our only disconnect is is you think

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it's a heist or whatever the word is using.

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Speaker 2: I think it's fair, right, And that's because I don't

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think I think we can argue offensively. He's probably always

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going to be like a fifth option. I think that's

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perfectly fair. Then you add in the defense, you add

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in the rebounding, you add in the improved play making

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that we haven't seen this year so far, by the way,

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but it's early, so let's not get our ahead of ourselves.

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That's when I think, you know it's reasonable, say okay,

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in terms of like overall importance. You know, he's he's

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not the fifth guy in a starting lineup. He's probably

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the what currently what the third best player on the team.

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Speaker 1: Is that a reasonable Trey Jalen Johnson, You would have

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to like Resa or a Kungu or I have.

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Speaker 2: I would have Persinkis over him if I knew the

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health was sustainable, and it's just not so. Right now,

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I feel pretty comfortable, you know, putting Dyson Daniels in

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a like the third best player on the team. And

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that's why I think it's a heist, because usually guys

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of that ilk, you know, in that type of ranking,

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gets around twenty percent of the cap, if not twenty two,

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twenty three percent of the cap, that's fair.

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Speaker 1: I guess I'm more so of as a team. I

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probably wanted another year where it just feels we're dealing

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with it also is like we're dealing with a one

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year sample size with which he's getting paid off.

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Speaker 2: Oh, I get it. I think you know your skepticist

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is I accept your skepticism. I do. I disagree with

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it because I think, you know, we saw so much

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of him last year to the point where the sample

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size for you know, the two years before that became

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sort of irrelevant. But I do get what you're saying.

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You know, if we'd seen this for two years, then

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you'd feel more comfortable just handing him that deal. And

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I can certainly get behind that way.

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Speaker 1: Of thinking our next guy up is Christian Brown. That one,

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This one came in at the buzzer five years, one

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hundred and twenty five million average of about thirteen point

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six percent of the cap. No options on it as well.

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How'd you feel about this one?

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Speaker 2: Well, it's it's basically the same, well roughly the same deal, right,

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all things considered, I like it. It's I don't have

476
00:24:13,119 --> 00:24:16,039
any issues with it. I mean, again, he's what a

477
00:24:16,839 --> 00:24:21,920
fourth guy on that team Offensively, Defensively, I you know,

478
00:24:22,119 --> 00:24:24,640
he's not bad by any stretch of the imagination, but

479
00:24:24,680 --> 00:24:26,960
I also think he has moments where he could be better.

480
00:24:27,079 --> 00:24:30,759
Like I don't think he's quite a finished product. Offensively

481
00:24:30,839 --> 00:24:33,599
is where he shines. I loved how like his shot

482
00:24:33,640 --> 00:24:35,880
selection last year just became one of the better in

483
00:24:35,920 --> 00:24:38,480
the league. You know, he wasn't just gunning. He was

484
00:24:39,880 --> 00:24:43,680
reading the floor, seeing what can I get in this

485
00:24:43,720 --> 00:24:47,160
particular instance. And what did he end up shooting? Was

486
00:24:47,160 --> 00:24:49,400
was it fifty seven percent from the field or something

487
00:24:49,480 --> 00:24:50,240
ridiculous like that?

488
00:24:50,279 --> 00:24:52,599
Speaker 1: He was up there, yeah, and he shot over He

489
00:24:52,599 --> 00:24:55,480
shot a better two point percentage last year with Nikoliokic

490
00:24:55,640 --> 00:24:57,680
off the floor, I think he was in the sixties

491
00:24:57,680 --> 00:24:59,599
either way or whatever it was, but the growth he

492
00:24:59,680 --> 00:25:03,160
showed in transition as a cutter, even if he was

493
00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:05,200
just going to get into the paint with the ball.

494
00:25:05,240 --> 00:25:08,720
In general, I think the big question for him is

495
00:25:08,960 --> 00:25:10,599
it's shooting. I hate to boil it down to this,

496
00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:14,599
but ken the three point volume and efficiency tick up here.

497
00:25:14,920 --> 00:25:20,079
And you know defensively too, He's Dyson Daniels has this

498
00:25:20,440 --> 00:25:23,759
one dominant thing to where like the on ball, if

499
00:25:23,759 --> 00:25:25,599
you were to list the best on ball defenders in

500
00:25:25,640 --> 00:25:28,599
the NBA, he would be on your short lists and

501
00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:31,000
Christian Brown is that's not his game. But then it's

502
00:25:31,039 --> 00:25:33,640
also he can get in trouble sometimes with when it

503
00:25:33,640 --> 00:25:36,480
comes to to screen navigation. There are certain matchups to

504
00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:38,599
where it felt like he definitely holds up better a

505
00:25:38,640 --> 00:25:42,079
lot against a lot of these I guess star types

506
00:25:42,119 --> 00:25:44,759
on the perimeter than KCP would have as he was aging.

507
00:25:44,759 --> 00:25:46,480
But you still have questions about, well, what is the

508
00:25:46,519 --> 00:25:48,880
actual I don't want to use the word position, but

509
00:25:49,039 --> 00:25:53,799
the positional spectrum that he can guard. This feels I'm

510
00:25:53,839 --> 00:25:56,279
probably this is an interesting question. Is so you're probably

511
00:25:56,359 --> 00:25:59,039
higher on the Dyson Daniels extension from a team perspective

512
00:25:59,079 --> 00:26:01,920
than this one, right, I like this one better than

513
00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:03,400
the Dice and Daniel Sick' No.

514
00:26:03,480 --> 00:26:06,319
Speaker 2: I think it's a wash for me because the thing,

515
00:26:06,680 --> 00:26:11,319
I think we tend largely to ignore the need for

516
00:26:11,440 --> 00:26:14,920
offensive production around Jokic. Right, it seems like so many

517
00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:17,559
people are just like, well, yok is gonna yoke, and

518
00:26:17,880 --> 00:26:22,839
to some extent that's true. But his passing skills, his

519
00:26:23,119 --> 00:26:27,079
passing instinct, his court vision that needs to be bridged

520
00:26:27,559 --> 00:26:32,680
with high competence offensive players. Christian Brown is that yeah,

521
00:26:33,119 --> 00:26:35,119
And I even agree with you on the spacing thing

522
00:26:35,119 --> 00:26:37,559
because he took less than three threes per game last

523
00:26:37,640 --> 00:26:40,319
year and he didn't get much to the foul line either,

524
00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:43,960
So like something there has to grow, Like there's whether

525
00:26:44,039 --> 00:26:46,680
it's an up to three point volume or it's him

526
00:26:46,759 --> 00:26:49,920
just becoming, you know, like a free from merchant. I honestly,

527
00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:53,279
I don't care. Some one of those things has to happen.

528
00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:58,279
But he just flew in with this high understanding of

529
00:26:58,279 --> 00:27:01,559
offensive execution. I think you need that next to Yoak.

530
00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:04,480
I just do so. I'm not low on this steal.

531
00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:06,599
What's right? I loved it. I think him and Dyson

532
00:27:06,680 --> 00:27:11,440
Daniels very comparable. Like the reason I say with Dyson

533
00:27:11,559 --> 00:27:14,759
it's a steal is because of the projections moving forward,

534
00:27:14,759 --> 00:27:17,920
I think Christian is a little bit more reaching his

535
00:27:18,039 --> 00:27:18,799
ceiling close.

536
00:27:19,759 --> 00:27:21,440
Speaker 1: He's older too, That's a good point.

537
00:27:21,319 --> 00:27:25,359
Speaker 2: Exactly right. But I'd like what he gave the Nuggets

538
00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:27,960
last year in terms of offensive production and the way

539
00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:31,720
he went about it. Very very high on Christian Brown.

540
00:27:31,720 --> 00:27:33,119
I think a lot of people are sleeping on him.

541
00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:34,400
So I don't hate this whatsoever.

542
00:27:35,160 --> 00:27:37,359
Speaker 1: What's interesting not to bring it back to Dyson Daniels,

543
00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:39,960
but I would almost feel better about him if he

544
00:27:40,039 --> 00:27:42,680
was tasked with doing more on the ball offensively and

545
00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:45,279
you had to not build your entire offense around him,

546
00:27:45,279 --> 00:27:47,839
but you tailored the shooting around him more specifically. But

547
00:27:47,920 --> 00:27:51,720
the idea of him playing alongside someone who's ball dominant

548
00:27:51,799 --> 00:27:53,960
or two people who are more ball dominant than him,

549
00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:56,519
I don't feel comfortable with. And then Christian Brown is

550
00:27:56,640 --> 00:27:58,640
just you absolutely feel comfortable with that.

551
00:27:58,799 --> 00:28:02,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, he's It's funny, right. Usually when we say

552
00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:05,119
pluck and play guys, we tend to look at great shooters,

553
00:28:05,319 --> 00:28:09,160
which you can't say Brown is yet yet somehow he

554
00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:10,039
fits that description.

555
00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:12,720
Speaker 1: Next up, we have I found this deal fascinating. I'm

556
00:28:12,759 --> 00:28:15,240
curious your thoughts on it. Jabari Smith Jr. As my

557
00:28:15,319 --> 00:28:17,200
dogs go off in the background, they're not happy about

558
00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:20,720
it either. Five years, one hundred and twenty two million dollars.

559
00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:23,880
The salary declines from year one to year two. It

560
00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:27,720
then rises in years three, four, and five, averages out

561
00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:30,240
to about thirteen point three percent of the salary cap,

562
00:28:30,279 --> 00:28:32,359
and it includes no options.

563
00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:37,240
Speaker 2: I did not like it at the time. I'm still

564
00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:41,759
skeptical of you know, what his ultimately, what his ceiling is.

565
00:28:42,279 --> 00:28:44,960
I understand why the Rockets did it in terms of

566
00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:48,079
like the cap percentage, because they're banking on him becoming,

567
00:28:48,559 --> 00:28:51,799
you know, that fit next to Albern Shinkoon. They want

568
00:28:51,839 --> 00:28:54,039
someone who can be a floor space. They want someone

569
00:28:54,039 --> 00:28:58,279
who can go off the dripple occasionally like he's he's

570
00:28:58,319 --> 00:29:02,200
doing it fairly. He's not someone who will consistently break

571
00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:04,880
you down. And at the same time, you also need

572
00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:08,319
someone who isn't going to necessarily be overwhelming in terms

573
00:29:08,359 --> 00:29:11,640
of like shot volume. So like I understand part of

574
00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:15,920
the appeal to me, Tari eastn has flat out better.

575
00:29:16,599 --> 00:29:18,920
He did not get an extent. Yeah, I know that's

576
00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:20,680
fair you can. You can do that. You can give

577
00:29:20,839 --> 00:29:24,519
me all the weird looks you want. That's fine. Uh,

578
00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:28,359
Jabari has been impact as like shooter, right, natural shooter.

579
00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:31,079
Then how come he don't shoot well? Dan?

580
00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:35,279
Speaker 1: What do you mean? How come he don't shoot well well?

581
00:29:35,279 --> 00:29:38,000
I mean looking for him to shoot forty eight attempts

582
00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:38,240
per game?

583
00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:41,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm looking at Look, his career percentage is thirty four.

584
00:29:41,880 --> 00:29:44,880
I'm least looking at a slightly above league average if

585
00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:48,359
we're gonna like label him a good shooter, like, he

586
00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:50,160
hasn't done that yet, and like, I'm not saying he

587
00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:53,279
won't get there. The free throw percentage since year one

588
00:29:53,359 --> 00:29:57,119
has been encouraging, Like I love the shot mechanics, but

589
00:29:57,599 --> 00:29:59,839
the ball is just not going into an extent that

590
00:29:59,880 --> 00:30:05,119
I expected. And that was through three years. Like again,

591
00:30:05,160 --> 00:30:07,799
people think I'm very low on him, and it's fair

592
00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:10,880
if that is, like you know the vibe you're getting

593
00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:13,079
for me, I'm not low on him, but I just

594
00:30:13,119 --> 00:30:16,079
think we have crowned him a little too early in

595
00:30:16,119 --> 00:30:18,960
this whole process. And now he's also been been paid

596
00:30:19,319 --> 00:30:23,799
to a point where I'm like, are are we really there? Like?

597
00:30:23,839 --> 00:30:25,720
Are we really at that point? I thought it was

598
00:30:25,759 --> 00:30:28,599
expensive for a guy like him, because I just I

599
00:30:28,680 --> 00:30:30,880
don't have a good read on him, despite he's the

600
00:30:30,920 --> 00:30:32,640
fact that he's three years since the league.

601
00:30:33,039 --> 00:30:35,119
Speaker 1: I do think part of the reason that a lot

602
00:30:35,119 --> 00:30:37,119
of people wouldn't have a good read on him is

603
00:30:37,160 --> 00:30:39,440
because of how the Rockets were structured to where he

604
00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:42,119
I mean, he's starting games at the three now, and

605
00:30:42,160 --> 00:30:44,960
I look at it as, Oh, he can thrive defensively

606
00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:48,559
while playing alongside two other bigs, and it's I think

607
00:30:48,599 --> 00:30:50,359
what I agree with with you is what he is

608
00:30:50,400 --> 00:30:53,559
going to shoot from distance is not stand out for

609
00:30:53,640 --> 00:30:56,599
someone who's considered a wing, but as someone who's kind

610
00:30:56,599 --> 00:30:59,400
of a combo big masquerading as a wing to be

611
00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:01,920
able to stretch the floor. I also wonder what he

612
00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:06,319
would look like in on a team that's better designed

613
00:31:06,319 --> 00:31:08,960
to get him the ball for higher quality shots. He's

614
00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:10,799
not gonna have the lowest shot quality on the Rockets

615
00:31:10,799 --> 00:31:13,039
by any stretch. And look, there are still some issues

616
00:31:13,359 --> 00:31:15,000
I want to see. Can there be more of just

617
00:31:15,039 --> 00:31:17,400
the catch and drive game from him? Is the handle

618
00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:18,799
good enough for him to do that? Does that? Does

619
00:31:18,839 --> 00:31:20,720
Houston have a good enough spacing for him to do that?

620
00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:24,279
But I think the defensive malleability, the fact that he

621
00:31:24,319 --> 00:31:26,599
has shown he can He's certain to me, I trust

622
00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:28,920
him reliably spacing the floor more than I do Tary Easan,

623
00:31:29,039 --> 00:31:31,039
and I'm not just saying that is looking Tari Easton

624
00:31:31,119 --> 00:31:34,079
this year, I think that I think this number is

625
00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:37,240
fair and I could honestly make I love Christian Brown.

626
00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:39,519
But of the three players we've talked about, I might

627
00:31:39,519 --> 00:31:41,680
be most fascinated or think that he has the highest

628
00:31:41,720 --> 00:31:44,000
ceiling of all three of them just because of what

629
00:31:44,119 --> 00:31:47,880
he You can't Dyson Daniels and Christian Brown are never

630
00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:50,440
going to be able to wear as many hats defensively

631
00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:52,960
as Jabari Smith Junior. And that's not because I'm not

632
00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:56,039
saying they won't try to. He's just he's this big

633
00:31:56,200 --> 00:31:58,359
who can also do a lot of wing stuff on

634
00:31:58,400 --> 00:32:01,200
the defensive end, and that to me, when he's also

635
00:32:01,519 --> 00:32:04,599
mostly plug and play, I would argue on offense, I

636
00:32:04,680 --> 00:32:07,160
find that tantalizing, and I think there might be more

637
00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:09,079
on offense. I don't want to see him doing a

638
00:32:09,079 --> 00:32:11,319
lot of stuff he did earlier in his career before

639
00:32:11,359 --> 00:32:13,400
we may Rudoka got there, and even now he can

640
00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:15,559
fall in love with some of those looks that no

641
00:32:15,599 --> 00:32:17,400
one wants to see, at least not on this version

642
00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:20,519
of the Rockets. I thought this deal was I think

643
00:32:20,559 --> 00:32:23,880
this deal has the potential to look so team friendly,

644
00:32:24,119 --> 00:32:26,279
especially when we get to the to the back end

645
00:32:26,279 --> 00:32:29,960
of it. But I think your skepticism, especially when it's

646
00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:32,880
rooted in his spot on the Rockets and the team

647
00:32:32,920 --> 00:32:35,000
may seem to be building there. I don't think that's

648
00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:36,200
I don't think that's unfair.

649
00:32:36,839 --> 00:32:39,680
Speaker 2: Like I hope that you're right about that that because

650
00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:41,799
if it turns out to be a team frankly contract,

651
00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:45,960
that means he's found a more permanent place in this

652
00:32:46,079 --> 00:32:50,000
league where his production has you know, leveled up, or

653
00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:54,079
to a point where we're seeing that he is a

654
00:32:54,119 --> 00:32:56,640
more integral part of the team. And I think that

655
00:32:56,759 --> 00:33:00,480
is a very very fair conclusion in terms of, like, well,

656
00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:02,720
what do you expect like these Rockets. Over the first

657
00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:05,279
three years of his career, they have been kind of

658
00:33:05,279 --> 00:33:07,319
all over the place, like what is he being asked

659
00:33:07,359 --> 00:33:10,160
to do? Like, I agree with you defensively, I think

660
00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:13,519
he's underrated. I think that's something that we don't get

661
00:33:13,559 --> 00:33:15,599
to talk enough about because he came into the league,

662
00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:19,200
as you know this this I think Lauri Markinen was

663
00:33:19,240 --> 00:33:21,599
one of the guys he was being compared to. And

664
00:33:21,759 --> 00:33:24,119
you know, that's the worst thing about comparisons is you

665
00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:26,400
kind of get locked into this mindset that, oh, he's

666
00:33:26,680 --> 00:33:31,519
then he's like player eight, which no, he's he's not, like, yeah,

667
00:33:31,519 --> 00:33:33,839
he's a six to eleven guy who shoots threes. That's

668
00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:37,920
roughly where the comparisons end. To me, it's I just

669
00:33:38,039 --> 00:33:41,799
don't know if he has the touch that we all

670
00:33:42,039 --> 00:33:44,680
kind of look at him as having, Like the in

671
00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:47,559
between game is not something I love the two point

672
00:33:47,599 --> 00:33:52,240
conversion rates. Sometimes I'm just looking at not just the stats,

673
00:33:52,279 --> 00:33:55,640
but like watching him play. I'm just like, you could

674
00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:58,440
make these shots at a higher regularity, and like I

675
00:33:58,440 --> 00:34:01,160
can accept that he's having, you know, a year where

676
00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:03,720
he's just like awful, because everyone has a down year

677
00:34:03,759 --> 00:34:06,279
here and there, but it's just been three years of

678
00:34:06,279 --> 00:34:10,360
like middling efficiency. I just I need to see something

679
00:34:10,519 --> 00:34:14,639
in terms of especially in the efficiency apartment, where I'm like, oh,

680
00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:16,920
this is his role, this is where he offers something.

681
00:34:17,400 --> 00:34:19,519
But I do agree with you in terms of the

682
00:34:19,519 --> 00:34:22,599
defensive upside, being like a wing big, which I think

683
00:34:22,679 --> 00:34:27,079
is the best way to categorize him. There's some side yeah.

684
00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:29,159
Speaker 1: There the rim stuff is it's how to the finishing

685
00:34:29,199 --> 00:34:30,880
sure is an issue, but it's even just how do

686
00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:33,719
we get him to the basket more and without On

687
00:34:33,800 --> 00:34:35,559
this current version of the Rockets, it's not going to

688
00:34:35,639 --> 00:34:38,119
be as a screener and roller, which is maybe not

689
00:34:38,119 --> 00:34:40,360
something that he might have bailed out and done the

690
00:34:40,519 --> 00:34:42,880
like prefer to operate from the middle of the floor. Anyway,

691
00:34:43,880 --> 00:34:45,960
it's a lot of this hinges, which is a weird

692
00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:48,960
thing to say on his driving game or ability to

693
00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:50,840
just to kind of eat up the space that he's

694
00:34:50,880 --> 00:34:53,519
going to have on either on kickouts or maybe like

695
00:34:53,599 --> 00:34:55,400
he'll maybe he won't even have a ton of open

696
00:34:55,440 --> 00:34:57,239
space because I think that in a lot of these

697
00:34:57,320 --> 00:34:58,920
Rockets lineups, you can say what you want about the

698
00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:00,719
percentages he's going to be you're just one of the

699
00:35:00,719 --> 00:35:02,519
more dangerous shooters on the floor.

700
00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:05,800
Speaker 2: And by the way, like when I set the Tari's

701
00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:08,320
and stuff, I want to be fair. One of the

702
00:35:08,360 --> 00:35:13,880
reasons that I have Jabbari rated below. It's also part

703
00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:17,679
of the mentality I think, you know, he's he's going

704
00:35:17,719 --> 00:35:20,119
to be extremely seem friendly in the sense of like

705
00:35:20,159 --> 00:35:25,280
how he's wired personality wise, like he has willingly relinquished

706
00:35:25,320 --> 00:35:28,519
opportunities for the sake of others, like he, by all accounts,

707
00:35:28,599 --> 00:35:32,400
is a fantastic teamate in that regard, I need that

708
00:35:32,519 --> 00:35:35,719
dude to be more hungry, Like I can't even count

709
00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:38,159
the amount of times when he's had an open three

710
00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:40,280
or not open, but like where he could have been

711
00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:42,440
allowed to shoot that, like where you know, you catch

712
00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:45,360
my drift, like just fucking take it. And the same

713
00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:47,639
thing goes with drives. The same thing goes when when

714
00:35:47,639 --> 00:35:50,679
you have a driving lane, Like he just turns down

715
00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:53,119
so many opportunities, And I think he's sort of a

716
00:35:53,199 --> 00:35:57,719
victim of his own like unselfish mindset. I think he's

717
00:35:57,760 --> 00:36:00,079
the type of guy who always looks for like the

718
00:36:00,119 --> 00:36:02,760
best shot imaginable, and he'll turn down the good ones

719
00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:05,159
in the process. So there's definitely a part of me

720
00:36:05,239 --> 00:36:07,960
that also thinks that if he gets that sorted out

721
00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:11,239
and he just starts taking the good shots instead of

722
00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:14,320
like the best shots, that he'll be just fine.

723
00:36:14,639 --> 00:36:18,280
Speaker 1: Next up we have Nikola Jovich of the Miami Heat.

724
00:36:18,719 --> 00:36:22,119
He received four years sixty two point four million. The

725
00:36:22,159 --> 00:36:24,760
salary declines from year one to year two, and then

726
00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:28,119
it rises in years three and four. It averages about

727
00:36:28,119 --> 00:36:30,599
eight point eight percent of the cats, smallest number we've

728
00:36:30,599 --> 00:36:33,599
seen so far. No options, mort How did you feel

729
00:36:33,599 --> 00:36:34,280
about this one?

730
00:36:34,519 --> 00:36:36,440
Speaker 2: No, I loved it. I loved it. I mean I

731
00:36:36,559 --> 00:36:38,519
was a little bit surprised that he signed it. I

732
00:36:38,599 --> 00:36:41,840
don't know what the mind, you know, the thinking process

733
00:36:42,519 --> 00:36:46,000
was there, whether he was like, you know, we don't

734
00:36:46,079 --> 00:36:48,320
know what the future holds, let's just lock it in.

735
00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:50,960
Perhaps there was something of that going on, because we've

736
00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:53,679
seen these improvements from him, you know, over the course

737
00:36:53,719 --> 00:36:56,639
of three seasons. I think the three point shot is

738
00:36:56,679 --> 00:36:59,360
something that got better last year. I know people will say, well,

739
00:36:59,360 --> 00:37:03,000
he's efficiency went down, but like the volume went up.

740
00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:07,239
I thought he took them with more purpose. Purpose generally speaking,

741
00:37:07,840 --> 00:37:11,079
the size you can't teach like six' ten wing who

742
00:37:11,119 --> 00:37:13,840
can do stuff with the, ball who can actually make passes,

743
00:37:14,360 --> 00:37:17,960
defensively still got some things to iron, OUT i DON'T

744
00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:21,280
i think the discipline level is probably not where it

745
00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:24,840
needs to. Be but, like how young is this? Kid

746
00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:29,880
like twenty? Two like, yeah like just to your point

747
00:37:29,880 --> 00:37:32,199
About Jabari, smith we can apply that To yovic, too

748
00:37:32,719 --> 00:37:36,239
so freaking, Young like there's time to iron out some

749
00:37:36,280 --> 00:37:39,719
of the. Kinks so it's a great, deal great freaking.

750
00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:42,719
Speaker 1: DEAL i thought it. WAS i thought it this was

751
00:37:42,760 --> 00:37:45,280
one that made sense for both sides Because yovich has

752
00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:48,320
been intermittently. Available when you look at how many of

753
00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:51,679
the games that he's played throughout his, career the upside

754
00:37:51,679 --> 00:37:54,519
bet on The heat for a price range that's just

755
00:37:54,519 --> 00:37:57,159
so ridiculously. Low though it's, yes it's the idea of

756
00:37:57,159 --> 00:37:59,239
being able to put a floor spacing big, man because

757
00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:02,239
we're still waiting to See bam And koli Al ware

758
00:38:02,239 --> 00:38:05,199
are BOTH i guess for their positions it's okay they

759
00:38:05,199 --> 00:38:07,039
can space the, floor but a lot of what they're

760
00:38:07,039 --> 00:38:11,159
doing it feels like more concept than the like. Practical

761
00:38:11,599 --> 00:38:13,800
And Nikoli jovitch is an actual floor. Spacer but the

762
00:38:13,800 --> 00:38:15,559
thing THAT i think intrigues me the most about him

763
00:38:15,599 --> 00:38:19,079
is when this dude gets going, downhill the reads he

764
00:38:19,119 --> 00:38:21,440
can make as a, scorer he's got some nice shoulder

765
00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:23,599
stuff in. Him as a, passer we've seen him make

766
00:38:23,639 --> 00:38:26,199
excellent plays for The heat and now The heat overall

767
00:38:26,519 --> 00:38:29,000
are playing, faster WHICH i think fits what he can

768
00:38:29,039 --> 00:38:30,679
do when he has a live ribble or he's just

769
00:38:30,760 --> 00:38:33,760
hot footing. It towards the. Basket he can create chaos

770
00:38:33,840 --> 00:38:37,119
as a playmaker as. WELL i don't LOVE i know

771
00:38:37,159 --> 00:38:39,119
a ton of smart people who just. DISAGREE i don't

772
00:38:39,159 --> 00:38:41,519
love the idea OF i don't view him as someone

773
00:38:41,519 --> 00:38:44,039
that you could put on the elbows on the block

774
00:38:44,079 --> 00:38:46,559
anywhere and set up the offense to run it from.

775
00:38:46,599 --> 00:38:49,519
There maybe he could catch it shoot over. Someone, sure

776
00:38:49,960 --> 00:38:52,079
that's NOT i don't know that He's he's a little

777
00:38:52,079 --> 00:38:53,519
bit more physical than he gets credit for, it BUT

778
00:38:53,559 --> 00:38:55,840
i don't know if he's built for. That you mentioned

779
00:38:55,840 --> 00:38:57,880
the defensive, concerns so that would be maybe a reason

780
00:38:57,920 --> 00:38:59,920
to be skeptical if this deal is how do you

781
00:39:00,159 --> 00:39:03,000
view someone who is a pure for Almost it feels

782
00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:04,920
like we talk a lot about those, Guys but what

783
00:39:05,039 --> 00:39:06,920
he can do, defensively even if he is a pure,

784
00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:10,159
four there's there's a lot of. Layers there's a lot

785
00:39:10,159 --> 00:39:11,960
of like dynamism to the way that he plays on

786
00:39:11,960 --> 00:39:12,400
that end of the.

787
00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:13,039
Speaker 2: FLOOR i.

788
00:39:13,079 --> 00:39:17,679
Speaker 1: Agree next, up we have Aj, green not a traditional rookie,

789
00:39:17,719 --> 00:39:21,280
extension but four, years forty five million average of six

790
00:39:21,320 --> 00:39:24,800
point three percent of the. Cap no options are your

791
00:39:24,880 --> 00:39:25,719
what are your spicy?

792
00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:30,920
Speaker 2: Agent, well how can we hate on a guy who

793
00:39:31,039 --> 00:39:34,039
is one of the best shooters in the league getting that.

794
00:39:34,079 --> 00:39:37,719
Deal it's, no that's a good bit of business from The, bucks,

795
00:39:37,880 --> 00:39:40,679
who for the first TIME i feel like in a long,

796
00:39:40,760 --> 00:39:44,360
time had the organization's best interests at, heart instead of

797
00:39:44,400 --> 00:39:47,920
always focusing on just the need of one. Guy no that,

798
00:39:48,079 --> 00:39:50,159
like how can you hate? That it's six percent of the?

799
00:39:50,159 --> 00:39:54,840
Cap is it's peanuts in today's? GAME i, yeah how

800
00:39:54,920 --> 00:39:55,840
can you have a problem with?

801
00:39:55,880 --> 00:39:58,559
Speaker 1: IT i think in the fact that he can do

802
00:39:58,639 --> 00:40:01,159
other things, offensively other and just sling, it and even

803
00:40:01,239 --> 00:40:04,199
just he's one of those guys where he will compete

804
00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:06,159
harder on defense and he gets a lot of credit

805
00:40:06,159 --> 00:40:09,039
FOR i think what intrigues me most about him is

806
00:40:09,079 --> 00:40:12,719
because of EVERYTHING i just say, said is there just

807
00:40:12,800 --> 00:40:14,800
a chance that he's the third best player on The

808
00:40:14,800 --> 00:40:16,760
bucks by the end of this? Season perhaps that says

809
00:40:16,760 --> 00:40:20,440
more about The. Bucks but you have you Have Miles,

810
00:40:20,480 --> 00:40:23,199
turner who are You i'm not even talking third option,

811
00:40:23,360 --> 00:40:26,400
guy and that's not Really Aj green's game, Anyway but

812
00:40:26,559 --> 00:40:28,880
just the third most valuable player on The? Bucks or

813
00:40:29,119 --> 00:40:32,440
is it guaranteed to Be Bobby porties Or Ryan Rollins

814
00:40:32,440 --> 00:40:33,639
at this? Rate it might just Be Cole.

815
00:40:33,679 --> 00:40:37,679
Speaker 2: Anthony IT'S i, mean you can't rule it. Out it's

816
00:40:37,719 --> 00:40:42,159
certainly Not Kyle. Kuzmo so it's that that's the one

817
00:40:42,199 --> 00:40:45,920
thing we can say with. Certainty, look there are a

818
00:40:45,960 --> 00:40:48,960
couple of people you can throw into that, conversation and

819
00:40:48,960 --> 00:40:51,480
it's so. Early how many games are are we looking

820
00:40:51,480 --> 00:40:53,360
at with the played?

821
00:40:53,679 --> 00:40:57,000
Speaker 1: Three? Yeah? Two three? Games i've seen two there have been. Three, yeah,

822
00:40:57,000 --> 00:40:57,440
OKAY i.

823
00:40:57,360 --> 00:41:01,159
Speaker 2: Think, yeah they played, three, third two and. One but, like,

824
00:41:01,239 --> 00:41:06,280
yeah he's in that, conversation and if he sticks in,

825
00:41:06,360 --> 00:41:09,719
that if he becomes like the one of the mainstay

826
00:41:09,760 --> 00:41:15,360
guys in the rotation who's just consistently, efficient, effective and

827
00:41:16,000 --> 00:41:18,360
one of their better floor, spacers you can certainly make that,

828
00:41:18,480 --> 00:41:21,800
argument which is ridiculous for six percent of the.

829
00:41:21,800 --> 00:41:25,079
Speaker 1: Cap by the, Way, YEAH i have a guy who

830
00:41:25,159 --> 00:41:27,800
should be in AN nba rotation at six percent of

831
00:41:27,840 --> 00:41:31,159
the set and play real, minutes not twelve, thirteen but

832
00:41:31,159 --> 00:41:33,320
could play twenty plus. Minutes THIS i think this ends

833
00:41:33,400 --> 00:41:36,199
up aging quite. Well. Yeah next, up we have a bigger.

834
00:41:36,280 --> 00:41:38,719
Name you might have heard of, Him paalo Ben caro

835
00:41:39,039 --> 00:41:41,400
Of New Orlando. Magic he signed a five year max

836
00:41:41,679 --> 00:41:44,039
which is projected to be worth two hundred and forty

837
00:41:44,039 --> 00:41:46,039
point seven. Million, however it can go up to two

838
00:41:46,119 --> 00:41:48,159
hundred and eighty eight point eight million more if he

839
00:41:48,199 --> 00:41:50,800
makes ALL nba or WINS mvp Or Defensive player of The.

840
00:41:50,880 --> 00:41:53,320
Year this averages out over the life of. It i'm

841
00:41:53,360 --> 00:41:56,239
not doing the thirty. Percent this is just the fun

842
00:41:56,320 --> 00:41:58,559
max would be about twenty point eight percent of the

843
00:41:58,599 --> 00:42:01,239
cap over the life of this. Deal end of, note

844
00:42:01,599 --> 00:42:05,840
he got a player option in that final. Season It's.

845
00:42:05,840 --> 00:42:11,440
Speaker 2: Paulo he's. FANTASTIC i still have some overarching issues or,

846
00:42:11,559 --> 00:42:16,000
questions not, issues questions about how you build around his

847
00:42:16,159 --> 00:42:20,559
like archetype of player that, said you, know if there's

848
00:42:20,599 --> 00:42:22,760
a guy who can sort of find his, WAY i

849
00:42:22,760 --> 00:42:25,920
think it's. HIM i think HE'S i think occasionally he

850
00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:28,039
can get stuck a little bit in that, hole you,

851
00:42:28,119 --> 00:42:30,639
know The Sion williamson AND i put in this in

852
00:42:30,719 --> 00:42:34,199
Quotation Mark Josh giddy, mechanism where it's guys who need

853
00:42:34,199 --> 00:42:37,480
the ball in their, hands who aren't necessarily great off

854
00:42:37,519 --> 00:42:40,920
ball shooters, Themselves so, like when they don't have the

855
00:42:40,920 --> 00:42:43,920
ball in their, hands how much do they really bend?

856
00:42:44,119 --> 00:42:48,480
Defenses But paolo is different because he's so, big he's so.

857
00:42:48,599 --> 00:42:51,480
Physical he's so strong that when he makes an off

858
00:42:51,480 --> 00:42:54,320
ball cut towards the, basket, yeah you know, What you're

859
00:42:54,320 --> 00:42:56,199
gonna feel him and it's going to straw in the.

860
00:42:56,239 --> 00:42:59,320
Defense like defenses are keenly aware of where he. Is

861
00:42:59,360 --> 00:43:01,760
so even if he is not a natural three point,

862
00:43:01,800 --> 00:43:05,599
shooter it's not gonna be that big of an issue

863
00:43:05,599 --> 00:43:08,400
as it is With scion or like, Again Josh gitty

864
00:43:08,400 --> 00:43:10,440
doesn't serve to mention with those two, guys but like

865
00:43:10,480 --> 00:43:13,880
IT'S i bring him up because it's the same arget

866
00:43:13,960 --> 00:43:17,920
type the same. Week this is you're looking ahead or looking. At, so,

867
00:43:18,800 --> 00:43:21,960
yeah the contract is. FINE i would hope that for

868
00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:23,559
the magic's sake that he doesn't make ALL.

869
00:43:23,679 --> 00:43:28,119
Speaker 1: Nba they had no choice but to this is the

870
00:43:28,159 --> 00:43:29,880
deal you had to offer him because they Gave Franz

871
00:43:29,920 --> 00:43:33,159
wagner the same special minus he doesn't have the player.

872
00:43:33,199 --> 00:43:35,559
Option AND i still Think Paalo bangkaro is gonna end

873
00:43:35,639 --> 00:43:39,880
up being the more, valuable better guy long. Term there's a.

874
00:43:39,920 --> 00:43:41,800
LOT i think what also helps him is he's just

875
00:43:41,840 --> 00:43:44,119
better defensively than he receives credit. FOR i think it's

876
00:43:44,119 --> 00:43:46,360
easy to get lost in the jail and suggs of

877
00:43:46,400 --> 00:43:49,159
it all and the larger picture of The orlando. Matters

878
00:43:49,159 --> 00:43:51,199
that's a good, Point but you're right about the off

879
00:43:51,199 --> 00:43:53,679
ball stuff to where and, look the three point percentage

880
00:43:53,719 --> 00:43:55,920
is going to be a, concern especially now if it's

881
00:43:55,960 --> 00:43:57,480
not going to tick up from where it. Is but

882
00:43:57,559 --> 00:44:00,400
the fact that conceptually he can do all these things

883
00:44:00,639 --> 00:44:02,599
where he can do some of the wing stuff off

884
00:44:02,599 --> 00:44:04,599
the ball where you're talking about, cutting but he can

885
00:44:04,639 --> 00:44:07,880
also be if you wanted, to Like, palo can interact

886
00:44:07,920 --> 00:44:10,559
with your other two best players as the screener In

887
00:44:10,800 --> 00:44:13,440
Franz wagner Or Desmond. Bayan so that gives him a

888
00:44:13,519 --> 00:44:16,400
level of. Versatility AND i also THINK i know some

889
00:44:16,440 --> 00:44:19,079
people look and, say, well they're not the most efficient postseason,

890
00:44:19,079 --> 00:44:21,639
appearances and they're certainly not the most lengthy. Ones but

891
00:44:21,760 --> 00:44:24,760
his ability to kind of either turn the dials up

892
00:44:24,880 --> 00:44:27,920
or still be a better version of himself or a

893
00:44:27,920 --> 00:44:30,239
slightly more super charged version of himself when you get

894
00:44:30,280 --> 00:44:32,639
to the postseason that really had to work in his

895
00:44:32,679 --> 00:44:34,760
favor as, well even though again you're not dealing with

896
00:44:34,800 --> 00:44:38,559
that huge sample size. There we move on to Chet.

897
00:44:38,559 --> 00:44:42,360
Holmgren back to Back maxis Chet holmgren got five, years

898
00:44:42,400 --> 00:44:46,039
two hundred and forty point seven, million no ALL nba escalator,

899
00:44:46,119 --> 00:44:49,559
language though it averages about twenty point eight percent of the. Cap,

900
00:44:49,599 --> 00:44:53,360
again he did not receive a player. Option what did

901
00:44:53,400 --> 00:44:54,199
you make of this?

902
00:44:54,239 --> 00:44:57,880
Speaker 2: One MORT i, thought right on the top of, IT

903
00:44:57,920 --> 00:45:01,880
i was a little. Word but that's also because of

904
00:45:01,960 --> 00:45:07,280
like the injury pattern and. Whatnot like the quality of

905
00:45:07,320 --> 00:45:10,360
who he is as a basketball player was, never you,

906
00:45:10,360 --> 00:45:13,599
know in. Question this talent was never in, Question the

907
00:45:13,679 --> 00:45:16,320
fit was never in, Question the defensive upside was never in.

908
00:45:16,400 --> 00:45:19,639
Question so, yeah obviously he was going to get. This to,

909
00:45:19,800 --> 00:45:23,920
me it was always a question, of, like, thunder are

910
00:45:23,960 --> 00:45:28,079
you ready to invest this much in a guy who's Played,

911
00:45:28,880 --> 00:45:31,480
yeah well before the three games he's played this year

912
00:45:31,679 --> 00:45:34,800
one hundred and fourteen games in the regular season over

913
00:45:34,840 --> 00:45:39,199
the course of his. Career they apparently, said, look screw.

914
00:45:39,320 --> 00:45:43,800
That we are completely fine with this because it's the

915
00:45:43,880 --> 00:45:45,760
it's an upside. Play we want to make sure that

916
00:45:46,039 --> 00:45:49,840
our relationship with him is great and that it doesn't

917
00:45:49,880 --> 00:45:54,760
take into, summer like he's, unquestionably unquestionably going to receive

918
00:45:54,800 --> 00:45:56,559
an offer sheet like you to bring it back to

919
00:45:56,719 --> 00:45:59,199
recircut free agency if he does hit the. Market so

920
00:45:59,320 --> 00:46:02,480
like wipe off AND i get all those, things so,

921
00:46:02,639 --> 00:46:03,199
like this is.

922
00:46:03,239 --> 00:46:07,920
Speaker 1: FINE i thought it was actually a really, good like

923
00:46:08,079 --> 00:46:10,760
super team friendly deal On, Okay so he's part because

924
00:46:11,599 --> 00:46:15,440
not having the escalator language in there is. Chat holman

925
00:46:15,519 --> 00:46:18,039
is someone you can envision just probably not Winning Defensive

926
00:46:18,039 --> 00:46:20,239
player of The year Because wemby, exists but he is

927
00:46:20,280 --> 00:46:22,760
good enough to make An ALL nba team this, year

928
00:46:22,880 --> 00:46:24,760
especially he's doing the thing again where he kind of

929
00:46:24,760 --> 00:46:26,519
shows you, that, oh like he might have learned some

930
00:46:26,519 --> 00:46:30,079
more counters on the offensive. END i also think not

931
00:46:30,119 --> 00:46:32,760
getting a player option just low key huge when you're

932
00:46:32,840 --> 00:46:34,360
we don't know how long the core is going to be.

933
00:46:34,400 --> 00:46:37,880
Together stuff changes in THE nba faster than anyone ever anticipates.

934
00:46:37,880 --> 00:46:40,599
Now but if he has a player, option you're dealing

935
00:46:40,639 --> 00:46:43,199
with if he's what if He's supermax eligible at that,

936
00:46:43,239 --> 00:46:44,960
point like you're dealing with pay him a lot more

937
00:46:45,000 --> 00:46:47,880
money a lot. Sooner and SO i THOUGHT i think

938
00:46:47,960 --> 00:46:50,119
some people wanted there to be more injury protections in,

939
00:46:50,159 --> 00:46:51,519
there but you kind of hit on this and your

940
00:46:51,519 --> 00:46:53,559
answer is, no this is someone who if he would

941
00:46:53,559 --> 00:46:55,760
have hit the open, market there would have been teams

942
00:46:55,719 --> 00:46:57,880
if they didn't have cap. Space they would have figured

943
00:46:57,880 --> 00:46:59,480
it out just to put it off a sheet in

944
00:46:59,519 --> 00:46:59,800
front of.

945
00:46:59,800 --> 00:47:04,679
Speaker 2: Them and that's also WHY i eventually moved on from

946
00:47:04,719 --> 00:47:06,840
my oh, god that was a lot of. Money stands

947
00:47:07,039 --> 00:47:09,639
to just all, right you know, what someone out there

948
00:47:09,639 --> 00:47:12,079
would have given that to him without the injury. Language

949
00:47:12,159 --> 00:47:16,800
so there's just no point in debating. This there's probably no.

950
00:47:16,800 --> 00:47:20,800
Speaker 1: Point in debating this one much. Either Jalen williams triple

951
00:47:20,840 --> 00:47:22,679
max is in a. Row that's not gonna happen again

952
00:47:22,719 --> 00:47:24,519
throughout this, PROCESS i can tell you that. Much so

953
00:47:24,559 --> 00:47:26,280
he gets the five, year two hundred and forty point

954
00:47:26,320 --> 00:47:30,840
seven million dollars special escalator, language which, again, okay see

955
00:47:30,840 --> 00:47:33,280
in a nice bit of. Negotiating he only gets the

956
00:47:33,320 --> 00:47:35,519
thirty percent if he makes first Team ALL. Nba it's

957
00:47:35,519 --> 00:47:37,360
twenty seven percent of the cap if he makes second,

958
00:47:37,400 --> 00:47:39,920
team and twenty six percent if he makes third team

959
00:47:40,320 --> 00:47:42,400
averages again twenty point eight percent of the cap if

960
00:47:42,440 --> 00:47:45,159
it doesn't go. Up he did not GET i THINK

961
00:47:45,199 --> 00:47:46,599
i haven't noted in. Here that's the type of want.

962
00:47:46,639 --> 00:47:49,199
Screen he did not get a player, option so to

963
00:47:49,320 --> 00:47:53,199
not Where palo gets a player option and Chat holmgan

964
00:47:53,239 --> 00:47:55,400
And Jaalen williams do. NOT i know That shay is

965
00:47:55,440 --> 00:47:58,039
technically more important of that, team but we're talking about.

966
00:47:58,360 --> 00:48:00,719
Stars they're all on the same. Scales you could rank

967
00:48:00,719 --> 00:48:03,519
them however you want long. Term, Okay, see getting both

968
00:48:03,559 --> 00:48:06,599
of these guys to sign deals that don't include a

969
00:48:06,639 --> 00:48:09,480
player option is kind of, insane And i'm even marveling

970
00:48:09,880 --> 00:48:13,239
at first of, ALL i stand by. This Jaie williams

971
00:48:13,239 --> 00:48:15,760
shouldn't need the escalator. Language he already made An ALL nba.

972
00:48:15,840 --> 00:48:17,840
Team he should have just been eligible for thirty percent

973
00:48:17,920 --> 00:48:20,800
of the. Max but from The thunder's, perspective this was

974
00:48:20,840 --> 00:48:24,719
a really good negotiation by, them and in a position

975
00:48:24,800 --> 00:48:27,960
to WHERE i don't think they necessarily had the leverage to.

976
00:48:28,000 --> 00:48:30,840
Negotiate If Jay dubb came in and, SAID i want five,

977
00:48:30,920 --> 00:48:33,840
years player, option thirty percent, max IF i Make ALL

978
00:48:33,920 --> 00:48:36,480
nba third, team you really think The thunder we're gonna, say,

979
00:48:36,519 --> 00:48:38,599
No we'll let it. Ride absolutely.

980
00:48:38,599 --> 00:48:42,639
Speaker 2: Not, No, no this is a great. Deal they're probably

981
00:48:42,679 --> 00:48:44,679
gonna end up paying him twenty six or twenty seven.

982
00:48:44,719 --> 00:48:47,000
PERCENT i would, imagine, well.

983
00:48:46,920 --> 00:48:48,679
Speaker 1: Well he played enough, GAMES i think is the question

984
00:48:48,719 --> 00:48:49,960
we're gonna have to rite that.

985
00:48:50,239 --> 00:48:53,880
Speaker 2: Is but even if he, did that's a tough, crowd you,

986
00:48:53,920 --> 00:48:56,440
know first Team ALL. Nba that's a tough crowd to,

987
00:48:57,000 --> 00:49:00,599
break like one of your teammates is all ready basically

988
00:49:00,639 --> 00:49:01,280
shoehorned into.

989
00:49:01,320 --> 00:49:04,039
Speaker 1: That oh, NO i, MEANT i just meant all you

990
00:49:04,079 --> 00:49:05,840
said ALL nba in, general WHICH i would agree with.

991
00:49:05,880 --> 00:49:07,599
YOU i haven't pensiled in. There but now we're kept

992
00:49:07,599 --> 00:49:09,079
with the wrist. Stuff it's, oh is he gonna?

993
00:49:09,079 --> 00:49:11,480
Speaker 2: Play, yeah, NO i hear. YOU i get, it like

994
00:49:11,519 --> 00:49:14,039
he hasn't played this, Year like when when is he expected?

995
00:49:14,119 --> 00:49:17,360
Speaker 1: Back it's the Thunder so we don't actually. Know we, know,

996
00:49:18,039 --> 00:49:20,079
well we'll know about the same. Time we know when

997
00:49:20,079 --> 00:49:22,079
The knicks tell us That Mitchell robinson is gonna. Play

998
00:49:22,199 --> 00:49:22,480
that is.

999
00:49:22,559 --> 00:49:25,920
Speaker 2: Fair that is. Fair, Yeah so next up on.

1000
00:49:26,000 --> 00:49:27,800
Speaker 1: That that was an easy. One The thunder ones are always,

1001
00:49:27,800 --> 00:49:31,519
easy shade and. Sharp more this, ONE i think it

1002
00:49:31,559 --> 00:49:33,440
might be my favorite one to talk about because it's

1003
00:49:33,480 --> 00:49:37,199
just so. Fascinating four, years ninety million, averages twelve point

1004
00:49:37,199 --> 00:49:40,599
six percent of the salary, cap no. Options i'm, actual,

1005
00:49:40,679 --> 00:49:43,039
HONESTLY i was a little bit surprised that he signed

1006
00:49:43,039 --> 00:49:45,039
an extension in. General So i'm very curious to see

1007
00:49:45,039 --> 00:49:45,840
how you felt about this.

1008
00:49:45,880 --> 00:49:49,480
Speaker 2: One SO i wrote about this over At force before he,

1009
00:49:49,639 --> 00:49:52,679
signed like when it was reported that he wanted four

1010
00:49:52,840 --> 00:49:56,320
years one, hundred AND i made the argument sign, like

1011
00:49:56,480 --> 00:50:01,280
don't don't let this go into a, situation AND i

1012
00:50:01,400 --> 00:50:04,199
was telling The portland trimp placers to sign it just that's,

1013
00:50:04,239 --> 00:50:07,159
fine that's not a. Problem and then they actually got

1014
00:50:07,239 --> 00:50:12,119
him for million. Less here's the. Thing you can squeeze

1015
00:50:12,159 --> 00:50:16,119
guys to a point where it hurts the. Relationship AND

1016
00:50:16,639 --> 00:50:19,920
i don't think that is worth it for the placiers

1017
00:50:19,920 --> 00:50:22,079
to Squeeze shade in sharp BECAUSE i think his talent

1018
00:50:22,159 --> 00:50:25,280
and his potential is just too intriguing to a point

1019
00:50:25,320 --> 00:50:28,639
where that should be a. FACTOR i understand he's not

1020
00:50:28,679 --> 00:50:32,280
a great. SHOOTER i understand that defensively he's still got much,

1021
00:50:32,360 --> 00:50:35,840
lewer AND i understand that there are still pretty big

1022
00:50:35,920 --> 00:50:39,639
question marks, overall just in terms of what type of

1023
00:50:39,679 --> 00:50:44,079
player is he. REALLY i get all that the guy

1024
00:50:44,320 --> 00:50:47,960
has been productive since he came into the league at

1025
00:50:48,000 --> 00:50:51,679
what age, nineteen he's twenty two years. Old, like we

1026
00:50:51,760 --> 00:50:54,159
know that he can get to the, grim we know

1027
00:50:54,280 --> 00:50:56,960
that he's highly. Athletic we know that even though the

1028
00:50:56,960 --> 00:51:00,800
conversion rate isn't, great he can take and make threes

1029
00:51:01,360 --> 00:51:05,840
like the efficiency it should, come BECAUSE i don't know

1030
00:51:05,840 --> 00:51:09,840
where you stand on. THIS i have probably looked at

1031
00:51:10,559 --> 00:51:13,719
what five hundred shots from this, guy and from every,

1032
00:51:13,719 --> 00:51:19,400
Angle i'm not seeing what should be fundamentally wrong in

1033
00:51:19,440 --> 00:51:22,360
his shot. Mechanics, like are you at that point where

1034
00:51:22,400 --> 00:51:25,840
you think that this is just a matter of confidence,

1035
00:51:26,119 --> 00:51:30,119
rhythm because so FAR i have no great explanation for

1036
00:51:30,159 --> 00:51:32,480
why he is the better three point, Shooter So i've

1037
00:51:32,599 --> 00:51:34,719
just decided to assume it's gonna come in.

1038
00:51:34,760 --> 00:51:37,880
Speaker 1: Time i've operated under the same. Assumption but there are

1039
00:51:38,000 --> 00:51:41,559
probably some fair red flags to where's he's. Been what

1040
00:51:41,639 --> 00:51:45,800
he had one year of standout foul line, efficiency and

1041
00:51:45,880 --> 00:51:48,159
so there's there's that noise that needs to be caked in.

1042
00:51:48,199 --> 00:51:50,320
There you mentioned the defense. ALREADY i don't know what

1043
00:51:50,440 --> 00:51:52,519
to make of him as a. Passer like some he'll

1044
00:51:52,559 --> 00:51:55,039
sometimes have these assist, numbers but like the turnovers with,

1045
00:51:55,119 --> 00:51:58,760
him including this, season they've been up. There But i'm with.

1046
00:51:58,880 --> 00:52:02,559
YOU i want to ask you this, question why does

1047
00:52:02,559 --> 00:52:05,079
it feel like more people are just so much more

1048
00:52:05,119 --> 00:52:07,079
prepared to bet on shade and sharp than they Are

1049
00:52:07,159 --> 00:52:08,000
Jalen green.

1050
00:52:07,840 --> 00:52:15,239
Speaker 2: Though, oh that's a good. Question that's actually a really good.

1051
00:52:15,320 --> 00:52:21,119
QUESTION i think it's Because jalen has a different reputation

1052
00:52:21,400 --> 00:52:24,000
in terms of being like a chucker of some. Sort

1053
00:52:24,039 --> 00:52:27,360
there's a negative connotation. There i'm not saying it's. Fair

1054
00:52:27,679 --> 00:52:30,719
i'm just trying to like find a reasonable explanation Where,

1055
00:52:30,880 --> 00:52:35,159
SHARP i, think is seen as someone who integrates himself

1056
00:52:35,199 --> 00:52:38,519
a little bit more to the. Team whether that's right or.

1057
00:52:38,519 --> 00:52:41,440
Wrong it's actually an interesting discussion, Though, like BUT i

1058
00:52:41,480 --> 00:52:44,760
think that is where it leads that there is an

1059
00:52:44,880 --> 00:52:49,920
idea That, jalen you, know is gunning for a certain stat,

1060
00:52:49,960 --> 00:52:53,440
line so to, speak Where sharp is like more, No

1061
00:52:53,480 --> 00:52:55,719
i'll find my own way within the flow of the.

1062
00:52:55,719 --> 00:53:01,440
Speaker 1: OFFENSE i would probably agree with you. There and what's interesting,

1063
00:53:01,480 --> 00:53:03,400
though is just they have kind of some of the

1064
00:53:03,440 --> 00:53:05,480
same red. Flags even when you're looking at it through

1065
00:53:05,679 --> 00:53:07,480
to where it's all, right you kind of wish the

1066
00:53:07,519 --> 00:53:09,679
three point, percentage especially if they're taking a lot of

1067
00:53:09,719 --> 00:53:13,360
catch and, shoots would just be. HIGHER i think last Year, sharp,

1068
00:53:13,519 --> 00:53:16,159
yeah he was under thirty two percent again on catch and,

1069
00:53:16,159 --> 00:53:19,519
shoots and so like that's HE'S i thought he would

1070
00:53:19,559 --> 00:53:21,880
have bet on himself if four year ninety was the.

1071
00:53:21,920 --> 00:53:24,960
Offer but, now when you think about you, know what

1072
00:53:25,199 --> 00:53:28,280
just happened with Even Jonathan kaminga And Cam thomas And Quentin,

1073
00:53:28,320 --> 00:53:30,719
GRIMES i think a lot of people would say at

1074
00:53:30,760 --> 00:53:33,960
least they prefer Shading sharp to two of those. Players

1075
00:53:34,280 --> 00:53:36,639
you're kind of, wondering is this a pure two that

1076
00:53:36,719 --> 00:53:40,239
hasn't shown that he can score efficiently to defend, consistently?

1077
00:53:40,519 --> 00:53:43,159
Right what would the market be for him if he's

1078
00:53:43,159 --> 00:53:46,079
so getting this money For I'M i look at it

1079
00:53:46,119 --> 00:53:47,800
AND i JUST i Guess i'm trying to view it

1080
00:53:47,800 --> 00:53:51,760
as who is this the the bigger concession for? Now

1081
00:53:51,840 --> 00:53:54,280
it's the bigger risk for The blazers Because sharp just

1082
00:53:54,360 --> 00:53:56,039
he locked down his money and if he doesn't pan,

1083
00:53:56,119 --> 00:53:58,840
out The blazer saddle all that. Risk and if he

1084
00:53:58,880 --> 00:54:01,079
does pan, out, okay he'll be, underpaid but it's still

1085
00:54:01,280 --> 00:54:03,400
a crap ton of money in the. Aggregate i'm just,

1086
00:54:03,480 --> 00:54:05,559
curious if we've asked for over a, year two, years

1087
00:54:05,719 --> 00:54:08,679
who we think wound up making the bigger concessions where It's,

1088
00:54:08,880 --> 00:54:11,159
Oh portland should have waited and squeezed him, more or

1089
00:54:11,239 --> 00:54:14,239
just waited and like tried to move, him or Did?

1090
00:54:14,280 --> 00:54:16,920
Sharp is this the year where it all comes together

1091
00:54:16,920 --> 00:54:18,599
for him. ALL i don't. KNOW i don't know if

1092
00:54:18,599 --> 00:54:21,639
it's all going to come together him for him, defensively quite,

1093
00:54:21,639 --> 00:54:24,159
frankly he certainly has the, tools but if it all

1094
00:54:24,159 --> 00:54:26,840
comes together for him, offensively that's probably a player that

1095
00:54:26,880 --> 00:54:28,760
people are willing to play quite a bit of money.

1096
00:54:28,800 --> 00:54:32,480
Speaker 2: For it's it's interesting as well because there's a point

1097
00:54:32,480 --> 00:54:37,480
That Brian, support our mutual, friend has, made like routinely

1098
00:54:37,599 --> 00:54:41,039
over the past four, YEARS i want to, say three

1099
00:54:41,159 --> 00:54:45,159
or four, years and it's basically the amount of raw.

1100
00:54:45,199 --> 00:54:50,360
Dollars like, players as we, know are human, beings they

1101
00:54:50,920 --> 00:54:55,320
look at things. Differently some players might be inclined to

1102
00:54:55,480 --> 00:54:58,280
just look at the ninety million dollars and, realize, hey

1103
00:54:59,039 --> 00:55:05,679
that's ninety million dollars to play, basketball like, sure let's go,

1104
00:55:05,800 --> 00:55:09,800
nuts let's just sign this and then whether it's we're

1105
00:55:09,800 --> 00:55:13,880
gonna get criticized for taking too little or betting ourselves,

1106
00:55:13,960 --> 00:55:16,920
later this is ninety million that we have in the

1107
00:55:16,960 --> 00:55:20,599
hand right now that we can. Accept SO i, think you,

1108
00:55:20,639 --> 00:55:23,000
know we can sit here and talk about. Concessions we

1109
00:55:23,000 --> 00:55:24,800
can sit here and talk, about, oh should a player

1110
00:55:24,800 --> 00:55:27,400
have DONE, A b AND c to get. MORE i

1111
00:55:27,400 --> 00:55:29,480
think we need to include the human factor that some

1112
00:55:29,519 --> 00:55:32,320
people Might i'm not Saying Shaydon sharpy is necessarily wired that,

1113
00:55:32,360 --> 00:55:34,440
way But i'm just going to use him as an.

1114
00:55:34,440 --> 00:55:38,800
Example some players might just look at a figure and, go,

1115
00:55:40,280 --> 00:55:42,920
well WHEN i woke up this, MORNING i didn't have

1116
00:55:43,000 --> 00:55:46,400
ninety million, dollars NOW i, do thank you very. Much,

1117
00:55:47,519 --> 00:55:48,159
well you.

1118
00:55:48,039 --> 00:55:50,440
Speaker 1: Could also wake Up and we talked about this at

1119
00:55:50,480 --> 00:55:53,559
the top of the podcast survey what THE rfa landscape

1120
00:55:53,559 --> 00:55:56,880
has been of, Late and Think Jonathan kaminga has BEEN

1121
00:55:57,159 --> 00:55:59,800
x through the first four years of his. Career this

1122
00:55:59,880 --> 00:56:02,599
is where it all ended. Up why what does he

1123
00:56:02,679 --> 00:56:05,199
need to do to be noticeably different when he gets

1124
00:56:05,199 --> 00:56:09,239
to the semi open market next. Year we could talk

1125
00:56:09,280 --> 00:56:11,039
about what he could, do but there's no guarantee you're

1126
00:56:11,039 --> 00:56:13,400
gonna do, it especially look, right there's just uncertainty on

1127
00:56:13,440 --> 00:56:15,800
the offensive ends still In. Portland when you look at

1128
00:56:15,800 --> 00:56:19,480
the hierarchy of how things are happening, there you're.

1129
00:56:19,360 --> 00:56:23,480
Speaker 2: Absolutely, right we'll. SEE i think this was a decent

1130
00:56:23,599 --> 00:56:29,239
contract overall for both. Sides. SHADEN i guess if we

1131
00:56:29,280 --> 00:56:31,679
are to look at it through the prism of you, know,

1132
00:56:31,960 --> 00:56:34,960
CONCESSION i think he's probably the one who's gonna end

1133
00:56:35,039 --> 00:56:38,079
up having given up the. Most, yeah but it feels

1134
00:56:38,119 --> 00:56:41,480
like a deal that's just decent all. Around, LIKE i

1135
00:56:41,599 --> 00:56:43,480
just don't have an issue with it from either. Side

1136
00:56:43,960 --> 00:56:46,559
it might be one of the most like mutually beneficial

1137
00:56:46,559 --> 00:56:47,159
contracts at this.

1138
00:56:47,239 --> 00:56:50,039
Speaker 1: Point that's a good. Point AND i think the other thing,

1139
00:56:50,119 --> 00:56:52,239
though that is if you're basing it purely off What

1140
00:56:52,280 --> 00:56:56,199
Shaden sharp has done so, far it's probably not the

1141
00:56:56,239 --> 00:56:58,519
best deal for The, blazers, Right, LIKE i know he's

1142
00:56:58,519 --> 00:57:00,639
been able to, score but it hasn't been stand out if,

1143
00:57:01,079 --> 00:57:02,599
you IF i were to tell, you this is just

1144
00:57:02,639 --> 00:57:06,519
shade And, sharp like he's not gonna evolve at. All,

1145
00:57:06,880 --> 00:57:09,239
right it's not anywhere near the worst deal in the.

1146
00:57:09,320 --> 00:57:11,079
League i'm not trying to say, that but It's, oh

1147
00:57:11,079 --> 00:57:13,599
The blazers probably gave him more than they had to, Then.

1148
00:57:13,559 --> 00:57:14,280
Speaker 2: YEAH i would.

1149
00:57:14,280 --> 00:57:18,679
Speaker 1: Agree we have Another blazer coming, Up Timani kamara that

1150
00:57:18,679 --> 00:57:20,760
became The Tamani kamara, trade but was supposed to be

1151
00:57:20,800 --> 00:57:23,639
The DeAndre ayton trade became The Tamani kamara. Trade four,

1152
00:57:23,719 --> 00:57:25,920
years eighty one million less than the max he could

1153
00:57:25,960 --> 00:57:29,280
have gotten actually average of eleven point three percent of

1154
00:57:29,320 --> 00:57:32,719
the cap and no. Options how you feel about The Tamani.

1155
00:57:32,760 --> 00:57:35,000
KAMARA i Know i'm.

1156
00:57:34,880 --> 00:57:38,079
Speaker 2: Not gonna answer that. Question that's all, yours that is your.

1157
00:57:38,159 --> 00:57:42,360
Speaker 1: SEGMENT i can't believe he didn't get the Max quite,

1158
00:57:42,360 --> 00:57:45,280
frankly this is someone who has improved as a driver

1159
00:57:45,400 --> 00:57:48,239
and a three point shooter in on the team that

1160
00:57:48,320 --> 00:57:51,519
has like one of the worst spacing environments since he's.

1161
00:57:51,639 --> 00:57:54,360
ARRIVED i know he's not shooting the ball well this

1162
00:57:54,440 --> 00:57:56,480
year so. Far we're only three games in, Though BUT

1163
00:57:56,519 --> 00:57:59,480
i also think if you're having a conversation more And

1164
00:57:59,519 --> 00:58:03,159
i'm asking you to rank the most versatile defenders in THE,

1165
00:58:03,239 --> 00:58:07,199
nba he's somewhere on that short. LIST i don't know where,

1166
00:58:07,239 --> 00:58:11,000
exactly but you're gonna Mention. Bam you're probably gonna Mention Jaron, Jackson,

1167
00:58:11,079 --> 00:58:16,480
Junior Evan, Mobley, Ogannanobi Tamani kamar like. Those he's coming

1168
00:58:16,559 --> 00:58:18,920
up in. Versatility i'm not saying he's dominated or gonna

1169
00:58:18,920 --> 00:58:21,079
win defense end of the. Year this is this is

1170
00:58:21,119 --> 00:58:23,400
an all defense team guy like this is someone who

1171
00:58:23,440 --> 00:58:26,559
will be and if he is able to reliably hit

1172
00:58:27,199 --> 00:58:30,360
the three, ball like even just, that he's shown other,

1173
00:58:30,480 --> 00:58:33,440
hints but if he's just able to do that he

1174
00:58:33,559 --> 00:58:35,639
is one of the most valuable non stars in THE,

1175
00:58:35,719 --> 00:58:39,159
nba AND i just what would the max have, been

1176
00:58:39,199 --> 00:58:41,320
like four to ninety whatever it WOULD i was JUST

1177
00:58:42,280 --> 00:58:45,320
i thought it was gonna take. THAT i guess the

1178
00:58:45,400 --> 00:58:47,920
concession The blazers are, making we don't have to pay.

1179
00:58:48,000 --> 00:58:50,960
You you had that non guaranteed year. Left they could

1180
00:58:50,960 --> 00:58:52,239
have just guaranteed him and he would have been on

1181
00:58:52,280 --> 00:58:55,639
the books for packing. Peanuts BUT i THOUGHT i thought

1182
00:58:55,639 --> 00:58:57,880
he was gonna get the full four year. BOAT i was, wrong.

1183
00:58:58,000 --> 00:59:01,159
Speaker 2: Clearly, WELL i, mean they just don't value him to

1184
00:59:01,239 --> 00:59:03,000
the same way that you, do and they're obviously.

1185
00:59:03,039 --> 00:59:08,480
Speaker 1: Wrong but so where what do He you're just you

1186
00:59:08,480 --> 00:59:09,880
think this is a steal. TOO i think this is

1187
00:59:09,880 --> 00:59:12,119
gonna Age, LIKE i know he's older this we'll take

1188
00:59:12,159 --> 00:59:15,039
him through his age twenty nine. Season unless you're, thinking

1189
00:59:15,199 --> 00:59:17,280
and based off everything you've said on this podcast about

1190
00:59:17,320 --> 00:59:21,320
where these salaries rank in a team conceptual well pecking,

1191
00:59:21,440 --> 00:59:23,320
order you're not gonna feel this way unless you think

1192
00:59:23,320 --> 00:59:25,760
that he needs to show some off the dribble juice

1193
00:59:25,760 --> 00:59:28,119
on the offensive, end or just better passing chops or

1194
00:59:28,159 --> 00:59:31,760
running pick and rolls on every other. POSSESSION i don't

1195
00:59:31,760 --> 00:59:33,920
know why you would have a problem with. THIS i.

1196
00:59:33,960 --> 00:59:37,000
Don't this is the one where it feels to ME

1197
00:59:37,800 --> 00:59:40,079
i would listen to. IT i don't THINK i could

1198
00:59:40,079 --> 00:59:42,199
ever understand any criticism of.

1199
00:59:42,239 --> 00:59:46,360
Speaker 2: It, well see that there's an assumption there from some

1200
00:59:46,400 --> 00:59:49,119
people that because he's so, old there's not any more juice.

1201
00:59:49,199 --> 00:59:53,320
Left but that IS i think a faulty premise because,

1202
00:59:54,280 --> 00:59:57,559
yeah there's probably not that big huge leap you, know

1203
00:59:57,800 --> 01:00:01,079
from you, know being a role player or you, know non.

1204
01:00:01,119 --> 01:00:03,800
Stars she would call it to a. Star that's not

1205
01:00:03,840 --> 01:00:07,119
to say he's not going to get. Better, no he's twenty.

1206
01:00:07,119 --> 01:00:11,679
Five if, anything we can argue he is going to you,

1207
01:00:11,679 --> 01:00:16,159
know refine his game within THE nba, context he is

1208
01:00:16,280 --> 01:00:19,599
going to be paid throughout some of the you know

1209
01:00:19,960 --> 01:00:22,679
prime years that he's going into because he's gonna that

1210
01:00:22,719 --> 01:00:24,920
contract is going to trigger next year when he's twenty,

1211
01:00:24,960 --> 01:00:29,480
six twenty six to through twenty. Nine was that like

1212
01:00:29,519 --> 01:00:33,519
through the age twenty nine. Season, yeah, Yeah so you're

1213
01:00:33,559 --> 01:00:38,360
paying him in the smackdap middle of his prime roughly

1214
01:00:38,679 --> 01:00:42,679
twenty million a year an, average which is going to

1215
01:00:42,719 --> 01:00:46,360
BE i don't want to say, peanuts but it's going

1216
01:00:46,400 --> 01:00:49,480
to be closer to the non Tax Ema lee when

1217
01:00:49,480 --> 01:00:54,199
his contract is like, up when he clearly is worth

1218
01:00:54,320 --> 01:00:57,559
more than you know He's he's not a you, know

1219
01:00:58,119 --> 01:01:01,159
a non Tax emily. Guy he's worth more than. That so,

1220
01:01:01,280 --> 01:01:04,719
yeah obviously this is a major, get and it just

1221
01:01:04,719 --> 01:01:09,360
speaks again to the fact that some players will always

1222
01:01:09,440 --> 01:01:13,360
be greatly under appreciated around the. League he is one of.

1223
01:01:13,440 --> 01:01:17,679
Speaker 1: Them i'm trying to visualize what it would take this

1224
01:01:17,719 --> 01:01:20,039
season for me to be concerned about this. DEAL i

1225
01:01:20,039 --> 01:01:22,719
think even if he shoots the ball, POORLY i probably

1226
01:01:22,719 --> 01:01:24,679
still don't feel bad about. It i'm not gonna feel

1227
01:01:24,719 --> 01:01:27,320
as good about, it of, course but if he's gonna

1228
01:01:27,320 --> 01:01:29,719
continue to miss every shot on drives like he is right,

1229
01:01:29,719 --> 01:01:33,119
now where he's not gonna shoot amazing from, THREE i

1230
01:01:33,159 --> 01:01:36,079
probably won't FEEL i think it's like one of the best. Contracts,

1231
01:01:36,280 --> 01:01:38,639
Yeah i'll be, No i'll get. It he defends five positions,

1232
01:01:38,639 --> 01:01:39,599
basically that's okay with.

1233
01:01:39,679 --> 01:01:43,400
Speaker 2: ME i, mean three games's let's, Chill he'll be.

1234
01:01:43,440 --> 01:01:46,320
Speaker 1: Fine that's three, eight that's three whole games.

1235
01:01:46,039 --> 01:01:47,880
Speaker 2: More three whole, GAMES i, KNOW i.

1236
01:01:47,920 --> 01:01:50,360
Speaker 1: Know next up we Have Keegan, murray who got this

1237
01:01:50,440 --> 01:01:53,559
extension after he suffered his left thumb. Injury. Right, more

1238
01:01:53,599 --> 01:01:56,159
he was ALREADY i already suffered it five.

1239
01:01:56,320 --> 01:01:58,800
Speaker 2: YEARS i don't, Remember, OKAY i thought the.

1240
01:01:58,760 --> 01:02:01,239
Speaker 1: News came after. Him Maybe i'm. Wrong five, years one

1241
01:02:01,320 --> 01:02:03,800
hundred and forty million dollars average of fifteen point two

1242
01:02:03,800 --> 01:02:06,400
percent of the, cap no. Options he will be entering

1243
01:02:06,440 --> 01:02:09,079
his age thirty season by the time this contract is done. Though,

1244
01:02:09,079 --> 01:02:11,280
more what did you think about a little bit Of

1245
01:02:11,360 --> 01:02:12,360
king's business?

1246
01:02:12,519 --> 01:02:17,320
Speaker 2: Here, well, So Brian sipporik are again our mutual friend

1247
01:02:17,360 --> 01:02:18,400
AND i we actually.

1248
01:02:18,119 --> 01:02:21,119
Speaker 1: Did you stop a signing? Friend, No, NO i.

1249
01:02:21,159 --> 01:02:23,960
Speaker 2: WON'T i. Won't, no that is supposed.

1250
01:02:23,559 --> 01:02:24,719
Speaker 1: To speak on my behalf about.

1251
01:02:24,719 --> 01:02:31,119
Speaker 2: Scum, well he AND i recovered this when it happened

1252
01:02:31,159 --> 01:02:32,920
and we had. This it turns out we had the

1253
01:02:32,960 --> 01:02:35,800
same reaction when we saw the, number like five, years

1254
01:02:35,800 --> 01:02:37,920
one forty and we're, like, damn that's a lot of.

1255
01:02:37,920 --> 01:02:42,760
Money and then, right and it's just immediately we're, like, oh,

1256
01:02:43,039 --> 01:02:48,960
wait hang, on that's actually fine because at the end

1257
01:02:49,000 --> 01:02:52,519
of the, day the cap percentage is not that. Significant

1258
01:02:53,039 --> 01:02:59,280
presumably eventually That DeMarco rosen project In sacramento is going to.

1259
01:02:59,440 --> 01:03:03,960
End presumably eventually he's gonna have a role. There where

1260
01:03:03,960 --> 01:03:08,119
they actually prioritize, him because why wouldn't, They, like, yeah

1261
01:03:08,239 --> 01:03:12,400
they have not necessarily been that great at giving him

1262
01:03:12,440 --> 01:03:14,719
the ball and giving him the necessary freedom In sacramento

1263
01:03:14,760 --> 01:03:18,360
since he. Arrived but we're not going to sit here

1264
01:03:18,400 --> 01:03:22,559
and say that he's not, good that he can't produce.

1265
01:03:22,599 --> 01:03:25,760
Offensively he turned into their best defender last. Year his

1266
01:03:25,920 --> 01:03:30,119
rebounding metrics since he came into the league also greatly improved.

1267
01:03:29,920 --> 01:03:31,199
Speaker 1: Low man stuff he does.

1268
01:03:31,239 --> 01:03:36,920
Speaker 2: Too, yes like there are some concerns He's there was

1269
01:03:36,960 --> 01:03:38,719
this idea when he came into the league that he

1270
01:03:38,840 --> 01:03:41,960
was going to be like what was? It was it

1271
01:03:42,039 --> 01:03:45,159
like A Carmelo anthony level. Score some people kind of

1272
01:03:45,159 --> 01:03:48,480
pecked him as, like, oh he's got that. Frame Whereas

1273
01:03:48,519 --> 01:03:50,239
carmelo could get to the free throw line ear or

1274
01:03:50,320 --> 01:03:52,920
nine times per, game you, Know murray does it like.

1275
01:03:53,039 --> 01:03:55,599
One she was like one free thro per. Game so

1276
01:03:55,639 --> 01:03:58,239
that's like a major issue in terms of like him

1277
01:03:58,239 --> 01:04:01,239
becoming that twenty four to twenty five point. Score so

1278
01:04:01,320 --> 01:04:04,519
you're going to need to rely a lot on the perimeter.

1279
01:04:04,639 --> 01:04:08,360
Shot is that a shot that he will be able

1280
01:04:08,400 --> 01:04:12,199
to convert consistently at a high high. Rate he did

1281
01:04:12,239 --> 01:04:14,400
in the worst rookie, season and then after that it's

1282
01:04:14,440 --> 01:04:17,000
been pretty. Pedestrian so, Like i'm not going to sit

1283
01:04:17,039 --> 01:04:20,239
here and say there aren't issues or aren't major question,

1284
01:04:20,320 --> 01:04:25,719
marks but given what he was, PAID i just don't

1285
01:04:25,760 --> 01:04:29,320
have that much of an issue with it. Overall like

1286
01:04:29,840 --> 01:04:31,679
players are still going to have to respect the. Three

1287
01:04:32,199 --> 01:04:35,199
he's become a good, Defender he's active on the class

1288
01:04:36,000 --> 01:04:40,480
like worse comes to. Shove he's a fourth option on

1289
01:04:40,559 --> 01:04:45,920
AN nba, team a, decent good defender who can actually

1290
01:04:46,199 --> 01:04:50,440
participate in the class and play. Superstitions, Yeah i'm giving

1291
01:04:50,440 --> 01:04:52,599
fifteen percent of the cap to, that AND.

1292
01:04:52,599 --> 01:04:55,599
Speaker 1: I think it even, well just as interestingly to frame

1293
01:04:55,639 --> 01:04:58,039
it is he will be as of right, now this

1294
01:04:58,159 --> 01:05:01,159
number will actually probably tumble because there are still guys

1295
01:05:01,159 --> 01:05:04,119
that will sign. Deals this is listed as the seventy

1296
01:05:04,199 --> 01:05:08,320
seventh highest paid salary next when the extension kicks. In

1297
01:05:08,719 --> 01:05:11,400
that's fine for What Keegan murray is right, now AND

1298
01:05:11,440 --> 01:05:13,800
i Would i'd probably echo all of your. CONCERNS i

1299
01:05:13,800 --> 01:05:17,880
think maybe if they had more consistent their offensive hierarchy

1300
01:05:17,920 --> 01:05:20,280
has changed every single season that he's been, there And

1301
01:05:20,280 --> 01:05:21,840
i'm just curious if he was in a more stable

1302
01:05:21,880 --> 01:05:25,519
situation Or sacramento had been more, stable but he's gonna

1303
01:05:25,519 --> 01:05:26,840
need to hit the threes of the higher. Clip but

1304
01:05:26,840 --> 01:05:28,719
you can feel good about the investment. Overall to your,

1305
01:05:28,719 --> 01:05:32,199
point because of all the things he's doing defensively that

1306
01:05:32,239 --> 01:05:36,320
he wasn't billed as this defensively and, frankly if he's

1307
01:05:36,360 --> 01:05:38,840
on another, team, no you don't Want Keegan murray as

1308
01:05:38,840 --> 01:05:41,679
Your Steph curry guy as an, example but the fact

1309
01:05:41,679 --> 01:05:44,519
that he even had to do that and just wasn't absolutely,

1310
01:05:44,559 --> 01:05:46,000
awful and then the fact of what he's actually become

1311
01:05:46,000 --> 01:05:47,400
when you look at the things he does in the front.

1312
01:05:47,440 --> 01:05:51,039
COURT I i'm not if you don't think it's a.

1313
01:05:51,079 --> 01:05:52,639
Steal i'm not SAYING i think it's a steal. There

1314
01:05:52,800 --> 01:05:54,280
we need to see what he is on. OFFENSE i

1315
01:05:54,320 --> 01:05:56,639
just don't. Know do you Think sacramento is the place

1316
01:05:57,119 --> 01:06:00,519
as currently constructed or even like similarly construct that would

1317
01:06:00,559 --> 01:06:02,960
be built to even plumb what he could do on,

1318
01:06:03,079 --> 01:06:04,639
offense or do you look at it as more as,

1319
01:06:04,800 --> 01:06:07,000
well even what they're asking him to, do he's kind

1320
01:06:07,000 --> 01:06:08,440
of underachieved a little, bit.

1321
01:06:10,599 --> 01:06:13,599
Speaker 2: A little, column a little COLUMN b, RIGHT i do

1322
01:06:13,719 --> 01:06:16,119
think some of it is on. HIM i do think

1323
01:06:16,159 --> 01:06:19,280
a lot of it is also on The. Kings it's

1324
01:06:19,320 --> 01:06:22,039
also it's it's always so difficult to, say, oh this

1325
01:06:22,119 --> 01:06:26,320
is where it went, wrong and this is exclusively. It it's.

1326
01:06:26,440 --> 01:06:27,559
LAYERED i, think.

1327
01:06:29,000 --> 01:06:30,079
Speaker 1: No boil it down to one.

1328
01:06:30,119 --> 01:06:37,199
Speaker 2: Thing, YEAH i. CAN'T i don't. Know it's a really good.

1329
01:06:37,280 --> 01:06:38,639
QUESTION i want to find.

1330
01:06:38,639 --> 01:06:40,440
Speaker 1: Out are you ready to talk about some guys that

1331
01:06:40,480 --> 01:06:40,760
did not.

1332
01:06:41,280 --> 01:06:45,599
Speaker 2: Get, yes, yes because we're an hour in so Obviously jade.

1333
01:06:45,320 --> 01:06:48,079
Speaker 1: And ivy did not get an. Extent or excuse, Me i'm, Sorry.

1334
01:06:47,920 --> 01:06:52,039
Speaker 2: Peyton, watson Say jade And ivy turning into six. Ten

1335
01:06:52,079 --> 01:06:55,000
he should have gotten an, Extension Peyton.

1336
01:06:55,039 --> 01:06:59,000
Speaker 1: WATSON i didn't expect him to get an. Extension his

1337
01:06:59,159 --> 01:07:03,000
value is so. Tough BUT i do THINK i think

1338
01:07:03,039 --> 01:07:04,760
there might be a team that would give him as

1339
01:07:04,920 --> 01:07:07,360
if he's the player he is right, now which is incredibly,

1340
01:07:07,360 --> 01:07:10,760
flawed but so damn. Tantalizing someone would come in and

1341
01:07:10,800 --> 01:07:13,559
offer him mid level or more type. MONEY i THINK

1342
01:07:13,840 --> 01:07:17,760
rfa is so. Weird this for him this. Season we

1343
01:07:17,840 --> 01:07:19,840
know what he could. Do he's a playmaker on the defensive.

1344
01:07:19,880 --> 01:07:21,199
End maybe he'd want him to be a little bit

1345
01:07:21,199 --> 01:07:24,440
stronger in certain. Matchups There, okay, Fine, offensively it's just

1346
01:07:24,639 --> 01:07:26,199
seems like The nuggets are putting the ball in his

1347
01:07:26,199 --> 01:07:28,320
hands a little bit. More can he make anything happen with?

1348
01:07:28,360 --> 01:07:31,239
That can he hit a more consistent clip of his?

1349
01:07:31,320 --> 01:07:34,440
Threes can that come on real? Volume what are the

1350
01:07:34,480 --> 01:07:37,639
lineups he actually works best. In there's a ton of questions,

1351
01:07:37,679 --> 01:07:40,000
There but of the when we're talking about these guys

1352
01:07:40,000 --> 01:07:42,519
who don't get, EXTENSIONS i still think he is one

1353
01:07:42,559 --> 01:07:46,039
of the players that has the highest upside from this

1354
01:07:46,079 --> 01:07:46,960
group that we're about to talk.

1355
01:07:47,000 --> 01:07:50,320
Speaker 2: ABOUT i don't disagree with that if he's Gotten, like

1356
01:07:50,400 --> 01:07:52,880
do we know what he was, offered if he was offered,

1357
01:07:52,920 --> 01:07:53,880
anything do we know if they were.

1358
01:07:54,079 --> 01:07:58,800
Speaker 1: Negotiations, uh not been in tune to the specific reporting on.

1359
01:07:58,840 --> 01:08:01,480
It BUT i think with The nuggets and they're just Cap,

1360
01:08:01,960 --> 01:08:05,039
OUTLOOK i don't even know what would he unless he

1361
01:08:05,119 --> 01:08:07,559
was willing to accept like four for forty eight or

1362
01:08:07,559 --> 01:08:09,679
four for, FIFTY i actually would be pretty surprised if

1363
01:08:09,679 --> 01:08:10,440
they were gonna give it to.

1364
01:08:10,480 --> 01:08:13,679
Speaker 2: Him, Right and that was the, thing, like BECAUSE i

1365
01:08:13,760 --> 01:08:16,199
was actually going to USE Aj green as an, example,

1366
01:08:16,319 --> 01:08:19,079
like if he'd been offered AN Aj green level, contract

1367
01:08:19,760 --> 01:08:21,880
do you think he should assigned that or just kind of.

1368
01:08:21,880 --> 01:08:25,840
Speaker 1: Waited do you know what's tough about these situations is

1369
01:08:25,880 --> 01:08:28,680
because if you're looking at what they're gonna do for

1370
01:08:28,760 --> 01:08:31,880
him In, denver for the most, part you could, SAY

1371
01:08:31,920 --> 01:08:33,680
i don't know that he's ever gonna be more than

1372
01:08:33,680 --> 01:08:36,760
a twelve to fifteen million dollar player a. Year but

1373
01:08:36,800 --> 01:08:38,680
you also have to measure that, is, well how much

1374
01:08:38,880 --> 01:08:41,880
how much of that comes down to There's jokic And

1375
01:08:42,000 --> 01:08:45,560
murray And Aaron, Gordon Cam johnson's there now And Christian

1376
01:08:45,600 --> 01:08:47,840
Brown and you could also, say, well they'll probably Trust

1377
01:08:47,880 --> 01:08:50,880
Bruce brown to be more of just the pseudo guy

1378
01:08:50,920 --> 01:08:52,680
with the ball in his. Hands When Jamal murray's not

1379
01:08:52,680 --> 01:08:55,600
off the, court it's is it's we come. Back how

1380
01:08:55,600 --> 01:08:57,359
many TIMES i asked you some version of this question

1381
01:08:57,399 --> 01:09:01,760
throughout the. Podcast it comes down to circumstance versus, potential

1382
01:09:02,000 --> 01:09:04,880
and how do you meld those two. TOGETHER i would,

1383
01:09:04,920 --> 01:09:08,239
think THOUGH i think he can be a more valuable

1384
01:09:08,279 --> 01:09:10,800
player THAN Aj, green AND Aj green does something that

1385
01:09:10,880 --> 01:09:14,399
is just so, valuable so bankable in THE. NBA i

1386
01:09:14,439 --> 01:09:17,319
Acknowledge i'm stepping out on a limb there Because Peyton

1387
01:09:17,319 --> 01:09:20,600
watson has been so inconsistent especially on the offensive. End but,

1388
01:09:20,680 --> 01:09:22,680
man the physical tools are, there And i've talked To

1389
01:09:22,680 --> 01:09:25,520
Adam odez OF dnbr about this for at least the

1390
01:09:25,560 --> 01:09:29,159
past two years. RUNNING i love the idea of seeing

1391
01:09:29,239 --> 01:09:31,079
him more on the, ball And i'm wondering If David

1392
01:09:31,119 --> 01:09:33,199
adelman is going to continue to make that a staple

1393
01:09:33,239 --> 01:09:35,239
of what The nuggets do in some of their secondary.

1394
01:09:35,239 --> 01:09:38,239
Speaker 2: Lineups it'd be super, interesting and you'd also be a

1395
01:09:38,279 --> 01:09:42,760
way to develop him and accelerate that entire process to

1396
01:09:42,800 --> 01:09:46,760
a point where he might come in to the summer

1397
01:09:46,840 --> 01:09:51,560
next next year and look at a significantly larger market

1398
01:09:51,640 --> 01:09:52,840
for whatever that market.

1399
01:09:52,960 --> 01:09:55,680
Speaker 1: IS i do want to ask, you, though as The.

1400
01:09:55,760 --> 01:09:58,600
Nuggets it's not BECAUSE i want to propose a. Trade

1401
01:09:59,079 --> 01:10:00,800
it's BECAUSE i WANT i don't know what you think

1402
01:10:00,880 --> 01:10:02,760
how The nugget should value, him and also just what

1403
01:10:02,800 --> 01:10:06,000
this roster. Needs if The bulls just said we'll Do

1404
01:10:06,560 --> 01:10:11,239
Zeke naje And Peyton watson For, iotasumu is that something The.

1405
01:10:11,319 --> 01:10:14,319
NUGGETS i was on an expiring contract, Himself yeah he.

1406
01:10:14,439 --> 01:10:20,199
Speaker 2: Is. SO i have for a pretty long time wanted another,

1407
01:10:20,359 --> 01:10:24,720
guard specifically with The, nuggets BECAUSE i think they're a

1408
01:10:24,720 --> 01:10:30,439
little short in that. Department Io dosumo specifically is like

1409
01:10:32,359 --> 01:10:35,920
porn for The. Nuggets can play both guard, spots got good,

1410
01:10:36,000 --> 01:10:39,560
size can play off and on the. Ball he never stops.

1411
01:10:39,640 --> 01:10:43,720
Moving he's just so. SMART i think he's an underrated shot.

1412
01:10:43,840 --> 01:10:47,079
MAKER i think HIS iq is generally. UNDERRATED i think

1413
01:10:47,119 --> 01:10:50,159
he as a result of playing In, chicago a team

1414
01:10:50,279 --> 01:10:53,720
that you should. Ignore for the most, part he's he's

1415
01:10:53,720 --> 01:10:56,760
flying under the. RADAR i think his fit With, jokic

1416
01:10:57,079 --> 01:10:59,960
his fit with Even Eric, gordon who takes away that

1417
01:11:00,119 --> 01:11:02,960
like that some of the physicality there that would be.

1418
01:11:03,039 --> 01:11:07,359
FUN i, MEAN i probably do it If i'm The

1419
01:11:07,479 --> 01:11:12,119
nuggets because of that specific need and Because i'm title, hunting.

1420
01:11:13,720 --> 01:11:16,039
Speaker 1: You probably to get off this Zik nashi. DEAL i

1421
01:11:16,039 --> 01:11:18,279
think you almost. Have and it's it comes down to

1422
01:11:18,399 --> 01:11:20,079
how much do you believe In Peyton? Watson and if

1423
01:11:20,079 --> 01:11:21,640
you do believe in, him you then have to, ask,

1424
01:11:21,680 --> 01:11:24,560
well ken are we willing to Pay Peyton watson he?

1425
01:11:24,680 --> 01:11:26,800
IS i would also, say as high AS i am on.

1426
01:11:26,920 --> 01:11:30,439
Him of players who have, signed of players who didn't

1427
01:11:30,479 --> 01:11:33,520
get an, extension he's among the most difficult to even

1428
01:11:33,560 --> 01:11:35,079
what would you give? HIM i might SAY i like.

1429
01:11:35,159 --> 01:11:36,399
Him if you're gonna come in and, say, oh is

1430
01:11:36,439 --> 01:11:39,079
that gonna be Worth dan four for seventy to? YOU

1431
01:11:39,520 --> 01:11:41,000
i don't have a good.

1432
01:11:41,000 --> 01:11:42,239
Speaker 2: Answer, no me.

1433
01:11:42,359 --> 01:11:46,479
Speaker 1: Neither now we're on To jayleen dur and. More Jeki.

1434
01:11:47,760 --> 01:11:52,640
Speaker 2: Wo, god Poor Jayden, Ivy, god.

1435
01:11:53,439 --> 01:11:55,840
Speaker 1: Jay N ivy doesn't get an. EXTENSION i don't know

1436
01:11:55,880 --> 01:11:58,199
how he was supposed to get an extension the limited

1437
01:11:58,239 --> 01:12:00,760
sample last year because of the leg, injury and then

1438
01:12:00,800 --> 01:12:03,680
he's dealing with the right knee injury WHEN i underwent

1439
01:12:03,720 --> 01:12:07,760
author's copic. SURGERY i, BELIEVE i. Don't this is one

1440
01:12:07,800 --> 01:12:10,039
of the toughest situations to figure out because it comes

1441
01:12:10,039 --> 01:12:12,359
down to do you trust him as a long term

1442
01:12:12,359 --> 01:12:14,880
piece In? Detroit and how are you supposed to figure

1443
01:12:14,920 --> 01:12:17,560
out the answer to that question when he's not gonna

1444
01:12:17,600 --> 01:12:20,920
finally play again Alongside kate until when and then after

1445
01:12:20,960 --> 01:12:24,279
that it's, well now the sample has been so, abbreviated

1446
01:12:24,640 --> 01:12:27,039
what do we take away from? IT i think the

1447
01:12:27,079 --> 01:12:29,720
most The pistons can hope for us he comes, back he's,

1448
01:12:29,760 --> 01:12:32,800
good and they're in the playoffs and they really get

1449
01:12:32,880 --> 01:12:36,279
to see how he works inside that pressure. Cooker but even, then,

1450
01:12:36,880 --> 01:12:39,279
man they're they're kind of making what's a pretty big

1451
01:12:39,319 --> 01:12:43,720
decision about their future off just what's not an ideally sized.

1452
01:12:43,840 --> 01:12:49,319
Speaker 2: Sample, yes well IT'S i don't know what kind of

1453
01:12:49,319 --> 01:12:51,039
feedback you're looking for me right. Now you kind of

1454
01:12:51,079 --> 01:12:53,560
just wrapped it up, yourself all.

1455
01:12:53,640 --> 01:12:55,119
Speaker 1: Right so if you don't have you don't have any

1456
01:12:55,119 --> 01:12:56,439
strong thoughts On jaye having.

1457
01:12:56,239 --> 01:12:59,560
Speaker 2: THAT i WILL i will say. THIS i, MEAN i

1458
01:12:59,600 --> 01:13:02,479
think we when it comes To jade And, IVY i

1459
01:13:02,520 --> 01:13:04,520
think we have this tendency to put him into like

1460
01:13:04,640 --> 01:13:10,760
the the two injured camp because of last, year and

1461
01:13:10,800 --> 01:13:13,319
now we're seeing something here early on this, year which

1462
01:13:13,359 --> 01:13:17,119
is super frustrating that he just had that right before

1463
01:13:17,159 --> 01:13:19,920
at the start of the. Season what we've seen though

1464
01:13:20,840 --> 01:13:23,520
over the first two, YEARS i think we have to

1465
01:13:23,600 --> 01:13:27,720
acknowledge that one of those season was Under Monty, williams

1466
01:13:28,840 --> 01:13:31,600
which was you, know him, JERKING i mean and OFTEN

1467
01:13:31,640 --> 01:13:33,760
i would lighten up and just didn't work it just

1468
01:13:33,880 --> 01:13:37,199
it wasn't a great. Fit and then we had to

1469
01:13:37,279 --> 01:13:40,760
look at his rookie, season which was his rookie season

1470
01:13:40,960 --> 01:13:44,760
primarily Without Kate, cunningham who was injured a fair bunch that.

1471
01:13:44,920 --> 01:13:48,600
Year so, like, yeah in terms of like the small

1472
01:13:48,640 --> 01:13:51,840
sample size with him And. Kate that's one, Thing but

1473
01:13:51,920 --> 01:13:55,640
LIKE i also just think he's never really been timed

1474
01:13:55,680 --> 01:14:00,680
all that well In. Detroit so are are we punishing

1475
01:14:00,720 --> 01:14:03,439
him for that a little? Bit by just you, know

1476
01:14:03,479 --> 01:14:05,520
if You're, detroit are you basically, saying, oh, well we

1477
01:14:05,560 --> 01:14:10,039
haven't seen you, play not realizing the realities of the

1478
01:14:10,039 --> 01:14:13,760
events that court. OCCURRED i don't. KNOW i would have

1479
01:14:13,760 --> 01:14:15,680
been open minded to an. Extension let me just put

1480
01:14:15,680 --> 01:14:17,239
it that. Way if they had locked him up to

1481
01:14:17,279 --> 01:14:20,000
something like for eighty or, SOMETHING i.

1482
01:14:19,960 --> 01:14:20,880
Speaker 1: Wonder if you would signed.

1483
01:14:20,880 --> 01:14:24,279
Speaker 2: That probably not, honestly because he's been so super. Productive

1484
01:14:24,279 --> 01:14:28,399
that's a fair. Point but if he had signed, SOMETHING

1485
01:14:29,760 --> 01:14:32,880
i wouldn't have sat there and, gone, oh that's. Prettymature, Like,

1486
01:14:32,960 --> 01:14:35,479
no the guy has played almost two HUNDRED nba. Games

1487
01:14:35,520 --> 01:14:38,960
he's been super productive when he's. Played there's something on,

1488
01:14:39,079 --> 01:14:42,319
ball there's something off. BALL i think he developed as

1489
01:14:42,359 --> 01:14:45,079
a shooter as his career has, Progressed like is he

1490
01:14:45,119 --> 01:14:48,359
a knockdown? Shooter and is he you, know someone who

1491
01:14:48,399 --> 01:14:50,359
can going and hit ninety percent of the three for? Lying,

1492
01:14:50,439 --> 01:14:55,119
no not, yet young explosive got a nact for scoring

1493
01:14:55,119 --> 01:14:58,680
the ball In detroit just so desperately still needs, that

1494
01:14:59,760 --> 01:15:03,359
SO i wouldn't have been against an extension. Whatsoever he's

1495
01:15:03,439 --> 01:15:05,760
going to be one of those guys WHO i hope

1496
01:15:05,760 --> 01:15:10,640
will actually get some attention next. Summer, well we all

1497
01:15:10,680 --> 01:15:13,359
know what's gonna happen, here because no one's really gonna

1498
01:15:13,359 --> 01:15:15,800
have cap, Space like we're gonna hear something From sham's

1499
01:15:15,840 --> 01:15:18,680
Any Day now where nine teams are expected to have

1500
01:15:18,720 --> 01:15:20,760
cap space at the start of next. Summer and when

1501
01:15:20,800 --> 01:15:21,640
it comes down to was.

1502
01:15:21,640 --> 01:15:24,039
Speaker 1: Like, Three, yeah that's IT'S i think ten was the

1503
01:15:24,119 --> 01:15:25,720
number Of bobby marsh had given a month or so,

1504
01:15:25,840 --> 01:15:28,159
ago AND i wrote something on why, no it's not

1505
01:15:28,199 --> 01:15:30,920
gonna be, ten it's gonna be half that at, most

1506
01:15:31,159 --> 01:15:34,479
right And jay And, ivy though he's, working it does

1507
01:15:34,520 --> 01:15:37,600
feel like we're overloaded with. Guards AND i think, specifically,

1508
01:15:38,479 --> 01:15:40,680
look you want to read into the shooting last. YEAR

1509
01:15:40,680 --> 01:15:42,800
i think that's. Fine his two point percentage is ticked

1510
01:15:42,840 --> 01:15:44,920
up in each of his first three. Years he played

1511
01:15:44,960 --> 01:15:47,720
in thirty, games, yeah last, year and SO i don't

1512
01:15:47,720 --> 01:15:50,439
think we get to, say, yeah forty one percent is

1513
01:15:50,439 --> 01:15:53,239
the new baseline from three and you want to see

1514
01:15:53,239 --> 01:15:54,960
more of that and the other thing we still don't.

1515
01:15:55,000 --> 01:15:58,279
Know AND i acknowledge what you said about how his

1516
01:15:58,399 --> 01:16:00,960
role has been inconsistent In detroit when you look at

1517
01:16:01,199 --> 01:16:03,880
his availability first year there is With Monty. Williams but

1518
01:16:04,279 --> 01:16:07,479
WHAT i think is really concerning too is you have

1519
01:16:07,520 --> 01:16:10,159
to answer the question of we know he can play Off,

1520
01:16:10,199 --> 01:16:13,119
kaid what is the ceiling of him as the leader

1521
01:16:13,159 --> 01:16:15,319
of your secondary units or do you think that you

1522
01:16:15,439 --> 01:16:18,560
need to always have A Karis? Laver Does Assar thompson

1523
01:16:18,600 --> 01:16:21,520
and Or Ron holland need to be that guy if

1524
01:16:21,560 --> 01:16:23,399
you don't view AND i don't know THAT i View.

1525
01:16:23,479 --> 01:16:25,479
Jay this is the THING i struggle with the most With.

1526
01:16:25,560 --> 01:16:27,359
Jane if you ask me whether the shooting is, Real

1527
01:16:27,720 --> 01:16:30,479
i'm probably just gonna, say, yes it's the can you?

1528
01:16:30,640 --> 01:16:32,199
Lead and, no you're not going to close with these?

1529
01:16:32,239 --> 01:16:35,000
Lineups but can you be someone who anchors those units Without?

1530
01:16:35,079 --> 01:16:38,079
KAID i have some skepticism, there AND i probably have

1531
01:16:38,159 --> 01:16:40,880
more faith In Ansar thompson doing. THAT i don't know

1532
01:16:40,920 --> 01:16:43,720
what you pay that, player especially when so now you

1533
01:16:43,720 --> 01:16:46,079
have that major left leg injury in the rear view

1534
01:16:46,119 --> 01:16:48,800
and now you've Undergone Arthur scopus surgery on your. Right

1535
01:16:50,000 --> 01:16:52,039
That's i'm gonna be so fascinated to see what it

1536
01:16:52,079 --> 01:16:52,840
looks like when he comes.

1537
01:16:52,920 --> 01:16:53,840
Speaker 2: Back, YEAH i.

1538
01:16:53,880 --> 01:16:57,000
Speaker 1: Agree now after teasing it for the past twelve, minutes

1539
01:16:57,279 --> 01:17:00,560
we were on To Jaalen, duran who if you were

1540
01:17:00,560 --> 01:17:03,680
trying to pay him based exclusively off what has happened

1541
01:17:03,760 --> 01:17:07,000
during the regular season so, far what would you be

1542
01:17:07,039 --> 01:17:08,479
willing to give him.

1543
01:17:08,560 --> 01:17:13,800
Speaker 2: Off this off this regular? Season, god that is a

1544
01:17:13,840 --> 01:17:16,439
good ask. QUESTION i, mean the guy has a thirty

1545
01:17:16,479 --> 01:17:20,439
point one per. Currently, look he's.

1546
01:17:20,439 --> 01:17:22,039
Speaker 1: A was coome to say the offense has been Just

1547
01:17:22,399 --> 01:17:26,119
they're shooting seventeen points better from three without him on the.

1548
01:17:26,159 --> 01:17:27,960
Court that's fair going.

1549
01:17:28,039 --> 01:17:30,600
Speaker 2: UP i just we can't deny what he's doing when

1550
01:17:30,600 --> 01:17:33,439
he's on the. Floor, though like his raw, numbers he's

1551
01:17:33,479 --> 01:17:36,359
he's one of the best rebounders in the league, currently

1552
01:17:36,479 --> 01:17:40,000
and like his offensive his own offensive production has at

1553
01:17:40,079 --> 01:17:42,079
least ticked. Up we've got to acknowledge.

1554
01:17:42,119 --> 01:17:47,439
Speaker 1: That, Yeah i'm just not Doing ton as a playmaker this.

1555
01:17:47,520 --> 01:17:49,560
Year this is he. Is that's WHY i asked you the.

1556
01:17:49,600 --> 01:17:52,159
QUESTIONS i have no idea his block numbers for him

1557
01:17:52,159 --> 01:17:56,039
are just, bonkers but they're playing him less Two IT'S

1558
01:17:56,079 --> 01:17:59,279
i think we've reached the point where it just feels

1559
01:17:59,319 --> 01:18:02,319
like and it's we've probably been. Here BUT i just

1560
01:18:02,319 --> 01:18:05,079
feel better, ABOUT i, Say stewart being on the floor

1561
01:18:05,119 --> 01:18:05,760
for The Detroit.

1562
01:18:05,760 --> 01:18:13,600
Speaker 2: Pistons he's twenty, one you, know IT'S i, understand two

1563
01:18:13,640 --> 01:18:16,199
hundred plus games in the. LEAGUE i get. It we're

1564
01:18:16,560 --> 01:18:20,640
looking at over five and a half thousand minutes OF nba. Experience,

1565
01:18:21,720 --> 01:18:25,760
YES i thought he'd be, longer further ahead in his. Journey,

1566
01:18:25,840 --> 01:18:29,720
RATHER i thought he'd be further. Ahead he hasn't. Been

1567
01:18:29,760 --> 01:18:34,399
the defense especially has Been pedestrian is probably the kind.

1568
01:18:34,479 --> 01:18:38,079
Speaker 1: Word what if vling this season was a. SKILL i

1569
01:18:38,079 --> 01:18:39,199
feel like he's been pretty good at.

1570
01:18:39,199 --> 01:18:45,000
Speaker 2: It, yeah he's very very good felling you could be

1571
01:18:45,079 --> 01:18:46,680
such A dixon times.

1572
01:18:46,920 --> 01:18:49,279
Speaker 1: All they're all, Jokes they're All i'm. NOT i don't

1573
01:18:49,359 --> 01:18:51,880
Dislike gallander as a person or a. Player he was

1574
01:18:51,880 --> 01:18:54,680
one of the one one year old you can't. Try

1575
01:18:54,720 --> 01:18:56,479
i'm really not trying to pick on a on a

1576
01:18:56,520 --> 01:19:00,159
twenty something, kid but he. Was AND i said this

1577
01:19:00,199 --> 01:19:02,479
About Jaydon hive and The pistons had both of them

1578
01:19:02,479 --> 01:19:03,880
THAT i don't know if it'll get a lot easier

1579
01:19:03,920 --> 01:19:05,960
leading into the. Offseason but when you were talking about

1580
01:19:06,000 --> 01:19:09,880
negotiating these, extensions two of the hardest candidates just in the,

1581
01:19:09,960 --> 01:19:12,319
league part none to get a read on what their value.

1582
01:19:12,399 --> 01:19:17,920
Speaker 2: Is, yeah, no you're, Right and that's also Why i'm, stalling, because,

1583
01:19:18,000 --> 01:19:21,920
honestly my opinion Of Jalen duran after three seasons entering

1584
01:19:21,960 --> 01:19:27,119
here year, FOUR i just don't have an idea of

1585
01:19:27,439 --> 01:19:31,239
what is it THAT i can like grab and hold

1586
01:19:31,279 --> 01:19:33,479
on to knowing that this is going to be a

1587
01:19:33,520 --> 01:19:36,960
thing for the. Future like in his second, year when

1588
01:19:37,000 --> 01:19:39,239
we saw that optic in, production who saw him hit

1589
01:19:39,279 --> 01:19:41,399
seventy nine percent of the free throw, line you, know

1590
01:19:41,479 --> 01:19:44,680
at a decent, volume we were, like, oh, okay we

1591
01:19:44,760 --> 01:19:47,159
started seeing like the elbow, pass and we started seeing

1592
01:19:47,199 --> 01:19:50,159
like more of the offensive repertoire you, know coming, up

1593
01:19:50,199 --> 01:19:53,439
and we're, like, okay so year one more defensively. Inclined

1594
01:19:53,520 --> 01:19:56,800
it was rookie year young, rookie no less like year,

1595
01:19:56,960 --> 01:19:59,439
three that's probably where he's going to put it all

1596
01:19:59,720 --> 01:20:02,840
together a little bit more and make these incremental. Improvements

1597
01:20:02,920 --> 01:20:08,079
and then instead we, saw you, know a less potent

1598
01:20:08,119 --> 01:20:11,159
offensive version of. Him the defense never really got. Better

1599
01:20:12,800 --> 01:20:16,800
and YET i still can't shake the feeling this is

1600
01:20:16,800 --> 01:20:18,960
a twenty one year old big man big men take.

1601
01:20:19,039 --> 01:20:23,079
Time he still has a, touch he still has something

1602
01:20:23,079 --> 01:20:25,439
that he can do around the. Basket he's still supremely.

1603
01:20:25,479 --> 01:20:29,159
Athletic he's still built like A greek freaking. God he's

1604
01:20:29,159 --> 01:20:33,640
still someone who eventually will probably mold into. Something but,

1605
01:20:33,720 --> 01:20:36,439
like even not knowing the extension, Number, DAN i don't

1606
01:20:36,439 --> 01:20:39,000
even know what the restrictive free agency number. IS i

1607
01:20:39,000 --> 01:20:42,239
have no freaking. IDEA i have no. Idea what are

1608
01:20:42,239 --> 01:20:45,600
we looking at slightly more than the non tax emlie

1609
01:20:45,640 --> 01:20:49,359
are we're looking at twenty percent of the? CAP I

1610
01:20:49,359 --> 01:20:50,439
i don't. Know flip a.

1611
01:20:50,439 --> 01:20:53,840
Speaker 1: Coin he's had like this is The jellen durn start

1612
01:20:53,920 --> 01:20:55,800
to the. Season he had the game where he goes

1613
01:20:55,800 --> 01:20:57,760
off against The, celtics but then he just has it

1614
01:20:57,760 --> 01:20:59,920
feels like all these other red. Flags he's averaging six

1615
01:21:00,359 --> 01:21:03,039
for thirty six. Minutes, ye dude is all over the.

1616
01:21:03,039 --> 01:21:06,439
Place AND i don't. KNOW i don't know what to

1617
01:21:06,479 --> 01:21:08,600
make of him or his value, Still And i've BEEN

1618
01:21:08,760 --> 01:21:11,479
i said a lot of really probably inflammatory things about

1619
01:21:11,560 --> 01:21:14,960
him after his first, season and it's just it's gotten

1620
01:21:14,960 --> 01:21:16,760
so hard to evaluate him from, there and he did.

1621
01:21:16,800 --> 01:21:19,199
IMPROVE i Think Jamie bickerstaff has talked a lot about

1622
01:21:19,239 --> 01:21:22,600
this he improved a lot defensively as the year went.

1623
01:21:22,640 --> 01:21:25,920
On last, SEASON i don't know how much of their

1624
01:21:25,960 --> 01:21:28,960
defense about like their best performances to ascribe to. HIM i,

1625
01:21:28,960 --> 01:21:30,760
THINK i say A stewart is Just i've mentioned this

1626
01:21:30,800 --> 01:21:33,279
at the, top just repeating. Myself he's the guy kind

1627
01:21:33,279 --> 01:21:35,520
of just trust more at this. POINT i don't know

1628
01:21:35,560 --> 01:21:39,600
what that says about this situation or. What and you're, right, like,

1629
01:21:39,680 --> 01:21:41,239
yeah you can look at the. NUMBERS i didn't even

1630
01:21:41,279 --> 01:21:43,600
realize what he was averaging until we started this, Conversation

1631
01:21:43,720 --> 01:21:48,079
like the box score numbers are legitimately. ABSURD i just sometimes, Posts,

1632
01:21:48,319 --> 01:21:50,520
YEAH i just sometimes. Wonder it's it's one of those

1633
01:21:50,520 --> 01:21:54,399
situations to where The pistons look like they can make

1634
01:21:54,479 --> 01:21:57,760
more sense without him on the, floor AND i. Don't

1635
01:21:57,920 --> 01:21:59,600
it's it's just such a weird though to.

1636
01:21:59,560 --> 01:22:03,960
Speaker 2: Be, WELL i, mean he's a lot of threat. Too

1637
01:22:04,359 --> 01:22:07,840
you need to have someone playing that like that role

1638
01:22:08,039 --> 01:22:11,159
next To, kate, RIGHT i mean you. CAN'T i Love Isaiya,

1639
01:22:11,239 --> 01:22:15,520
Stewart And i'm not saying he can't grab, lobs of

1640
01:22:15,560 --> 01:22:18,920
course he. Can duran is more, athletic he's, stronger he

1641
01:22:18,920 --> 01:22:21,560
can he takes up more space in the. PAINT i

1642
01:22:21,680 --> 01:22:25,760
do think the thread of during as a passing target

1643
01:22:25,880 --> 01:22:28,800
For kate is also something that defense is are geared

1644
01:22:28,880 --> 01:22:32,159
into because they Know kate is like six six sixty

1645
01:22:32,199 --> 01:22:34,800
seven and get into like the, paint he can go

1646
01:22:34,960 --> 01:22:39,960
get paint. Touches so they're extremely worried about that little

1647
01:22:40,039 --> 01:22:43,199
quick drop off For dorian or the quick pass over

1648
01:22:43,239 --> 01:22:47,439
the top that. Threat it has to be further, developed

1649
01:22:47,479 --> 01:22:49,960
like they he will need to play in order to

1650
01:22:50,680 --> 01:22:54,119
invest in that. Future, LIKE i understand what you're, saying

1651
01:22:54,720 --> 01:22:58,560
BUT i also don't think That detroit necessarily should be

1652
01:22:58,720 --> 01:23:01,039
just going into the season with the mindset, of, oh

1653
01:23:01,079 --> 01:23:03,279
we need to win as much as last. Year we

1654
01:23:03,319 --> 01:23:08,199
need to built like, aggressively so you can, afford in my,

1655
01:23:08,279 --> 01:23:11,439
opinion to, Say, okay we had a great year last,

1656
01:23:11,520 --> 01:23:14,199
year we made it to the. Playoffs we want to

1657
01:23:14,279 --> 01:23:17,560
chase that still, sure but it still should not come

1658
01:23:17,600 --> 01:23:20,800
at the expense of these players that we are trying to,

1659
01:23:20,840 --> 01:23:24,399
develop because if you undermine the development Of Jalen durham

1660
01:23:24,399 --> 01:23:28,840
And jade And, Ivy, honestly what do you have at

1661
01:23:28,840 --> 01:23:32,399
the end of the, day where do The pistons go from?

1662
01:23:32,399 --> 01:23:35,239
There they have a Star thompson And ron they do

1663
01:23:35,279 --> 01:23:37,920
have a s Ar, okay is that enough.

1664
01:23:39,600 --> 01:23:40,840
Speaker 1: Is what they have? Now? Enough?

1665
01:23:41,399 --> 01:23:43,319
Speaker 2: No, No but What i'm saying is if you kind

1666
01:23:43,319 --> 01:23:47,119
of disregard to major prospects and, projects which they still

1667
01:23:47,159 --> 01:23:49,439
are to some, Extent, yeah you can lean Into Ascer,

1668
01:23:49,520 --> 01:23:52,279
thompson who's. Great by the, way we still don't really

1669
01:23:52,359 --> 01:23:55,640
know What Ron holland. IS i think we agree like

1670
01:23:55,760 --> 01:23:57,560
they have a bunch of thirty year olds there who

1671
01:23:57,560 --> 01:24:00,600
are not going to be their long term so like

1672
01:24:01,720 --> 01:24:04,399
you kind of need to go into this, experiment you

1673
01:24:04,479 --> 01:24:05,640
kind of need to lean into.

1674
01:24:05,680 --> 01:24:09,560
Speaker 1: IT i. Don't, YEAH i definitely don't disagree with that,

1675
01:24:09,600 --> 01:24:12,039
stance which is why The jade And ivy follow up

1676
01:24:12,039 --> 01:24:14,880
injury is such a, bummer because it bilks them of

1677
01:24:14,920 --> 01:24:18,279
the chance to get more information on this group and

1678
01:24:18,279 --> 01:24:20,680
they're gonna HAVE i, mean those are the two decisions

1679
01:24:20,680 --> 01:24:21,960
at the end of the. Season it's you don't want

1680
01:24:21,960 --> 01:24:23,520
to say it's going to define their, future but that's

1681
01:24:23,560 --> 01:24:26,279
a huge chunk of deciding where they're going into the.

1682
01:24:26,279 --> 01:24:29,760
Future and you would, asked what's the number going INTO

1683
01:24:29,840 --> 01:24:35,319
rfa right? NOW i. DON'T i think IF i was pragmatically,

1684
01:24:35,399 --> 01:24:37,760
SPEAKING i do feel Like Jayleen, duran probably in the

1685
01:24:37,800 --> 01:24:40,439
twenty to twenty five million dollar, range would feel about.

1686
01:24:40,560 --> 01:24:45,199
Right it's just his highs and lows are just so,

1687
01:24:45,359 --> 01:24:47,159
EXTREME i think is WHEN i was trippling over my,

1688
01:24:47,199 --> 01:24:50,399
word it's just they're so, extreme and when he strings

1689
01:24:50,439 --> 01:24:53,199
it together for like a longer period of, time, it's,

1690
01:24:53,279 --> 01:24:56,000
oh this is, yeah thirty million dollars a year For

1691
01:24:56,319 --> 01:24:58,840
jalendern doesn't seem. ABSURD i tend to lean towards the

1692
01:24:58,880 --> 01:25:01,159
lower end of this, spectrum BUT i think That i'm

1693
01:25:01,279 --> 01:25:05,399
just a creature of, habit and so the, instability the

1694
01:25:05,439 --> 01:25:08,800
turbulence of how he, plays like what he, delivers and

1695
01:25:08,800 --> 01:25:10,760
then just sort of knowing you you made a great

1696
01:25:10,800 --> 01:25:13,399
point about just the vertical spacing that he provides you

1697
01:25:13,479 --> 01:25:15,000
as a, screener and the lob threat With, KATE i

1698
01:25:15,039 --> 01:25:17,920
think that is super important to. Have AND i tend

1699
01:25:17,960 --> 01:25:19,840
to kind of fall in love With biggs where It's Isaiah,

1700
01:25:19,880 --> 01:25:22,039
STEWART i, mean he's the better. Defender SO i don't

1701
01:25:22,039 --> 01:25:23,640
want to say Is i'm a dominant skill, set BUT

1702
01:25:23,680 --> 01:25:27,199
i tend to like guys, who rather than they are

1703
01:25:27,359 --> 01:25:30,119
dominant at these one or two things where it feels

1704
01:25:30,159 --> 01:25:32,960
like they check more. Boxes Isaiah stewart feels like he

1705
01:25:33,039 --> 01:25:36,880
checks more. Boxes BUT i think a Fair chris Can

1706
01:25:36,960 --> 01:25:40,159
Isaiah stewart check those boxes for an entire year playing

1707
01:25:40,680 --> 01:25:42,920
this heavy minute workload where he's not doesn't get to

1708
01:25:42,920 --> 01:25:46,359
basically split it with A Jalen. Duran right, now this

1709
01:25:46,479 --> 01:25:50,079
Is detroit's in such A the word is. Fascinating they're

1710
01:25:50,119 --> 01:25:52,439
in such a fascinating situation both now and moving. Forward

1711
01:25:52,800 --> 01:25:56,000
our next guy who did not get an extension is Tar.

1712
01:25:56,119 --> 01:25:58,399
Esan reference him a little bit On Jabari. Smith how

1713
01:25:58,359 --> 01:25:58,920
do you feel about?

1714
01:25:59,000 --> 01:26:03,079
Speaker 2: Him more, So i'm a huge Tar easan. FAN i

1715
01:26:03,119 --> 01:26:05,920
love what he gives. YOU i understand that the shooting

1716
01:26:06,279 --> 01:26:10,680
is not where you, know he's not a natural three point.

1717
01:26:10,680 --> 01:26:12,279
Shooter it is probably the best way to say. It,

1718
01:26:12,319 --> 01:26:16,760
Defensively i'm. INVOLVED i also, think just transition, wise he

1719
01:26:16,840 --> 01:26:22,119
is such a. Target you, KNOW i just fed hell

1720
01:26:22,159 --> 01:26:24,720
over heels when he was in AT, lsu just at

1721
01:26:24,720 --> 01:26:27,199
the way he would produce on a permanent. BASIS i

1722
01:26:27,199 --> 01:26:32,560
think that's carried over the, rebounding the activity, level the.

1723
01:26:32,600 --> 01:26:37,039
ATHLETICISM i think there's so much to his game That

1724
01:26:37,119 --> 01:26:40,960
i've just been waiting for him to like get a

1725
01:26:41,279 --> 01:26:44,399
full time starting role even if it wasn't In. Houston

1726
01:26:44,680 --> 01:26:47,840
now that he doesn't have that, extension we'll see what

1727
01:26:47,880 --> 01:26:50,680
the future. HOLDS i think he's going to be so

1728
01:26:50,760 --> 01:26:54,600
important for The rockets moving forward because you, know having

1729
01:26:54,600 --> 01:26:58,039
a guy coming off the bench to play to positions

1730
01:26:58,039 --> 01:27:02,039
like both forward positions and offered that type of defensive,

1731
01:27:03,000 --> 01:27:09,239
flexibility the transition, target the, athleticism the. STRENGTH i think

1732
01:27:09,239 --> 01:27:11,640
he's crucial for a team that wants to win a.

1733
01:27:11,720 --> 01:27:16,479
CHAMPIONSHIP i think he's that type of. Guy SO i was,

1734
01:27:16,520 --> 01:27:19,119
surprised BUT i also understand that they have a cap

1735
01:27:19,159 --> 01:27:23,199
situation that they need to. Manage so we'll. See BUT

1736
01:27:23,520 --> 01:27:27,119
i do think that there should be several teams eyeing

1737
01:27:27,239 --> 01:27:30,680
him next, summer even if it's through a restrictive free,

1738
01:27:30,680 --> 01:27:35,079
agency where they're like looking at that, situation monitoring and, saying,

1739
01:27:35,119 --> 01:27:40,199
look we're. Interested, yeah he's.

1740
01:27:41,640 --> 01:27:43,640
Speaker 1: The only THING i really have to add is the

1741
01:27:43,640 --> 01:27:46,000
phrasing on when he Doesn't when he didn't sign an,

1742
01:27:46,039 --> 01:27:48,119
EXTENSION i think it was from The Houston chronicle where

1743
01:27:48,119 --> 01:27:52,239
it was the lack of an extension doesn't necessarily signal his, departure,

1744
01:27:52,399 --> 01:27:55,319
Right and that WAS i just clocked. It it was

1745
01:27:55,359 --> 01:27:57,640
just a weird way to frame it because in, theory,

1746
01:27:57,720 --> 01:28:01,199
sure but we all sort of know. That i'm. CURIOUS

1747
01:28:01,279 --> 01:28:02,720
i guess for me it comes down to and there

1748
01:28:02,760 --> 01:28:04,800
are obviously things THAT i need to dig into more

1749
01:28:04,840 --> 01:28:07,119
into like their their. Payroll that would be an interesting

1750
01:28:07,119 --> 01:28:10,920
discussion to have their payroll can change between now and next,

1751
01:28:10,960 --> 01:28:13,199
summer like these trade restrictions are gonna. Lift they could

1752
01:28:13,199 --> 01:28:15,800
move around money if they really want. To but you're

1753
01:28:16,560 --> 01:28:18,439
are they Willing i'm. Trying are they trying to be

1754
01:28:18,520 --> 01:28:22,159
a team that doesn't go into the set to the

1755
01:28:22,199 --> 01:28:24,720
second apron and they have thirty eight point two million

1756
01:28:24,760 --> 01:28:27,159
in space when they have nine players under, contract not

1757
01:28:27,239 --> 01:28:30,279
including Tari easan as one of. Them are they looking to?

1758
01:28:30,359 --> 01:28:33,319
Avoid how how much are they willing to spend on this?

1759
01:28:33,399 --> 01:28:35,520
RUSH i think getting The Kevin durant number checking in,

1760
01:28:35,600 --> 01:28:37,800
it whatever it was below is max like or was

1761
01:28:37,800 --> 01:28:40,279
it sixteen nineteen million below his max salary could have?

1762
01:28:40,319 --> 01:28:42,279
Been that will certainly help them and give them more

1763
01:28:42,279 --> 01:28:46,159
wiggle room. There But i'm curious if they look at their,

1764
01:28:46,239 --> 01:28:48,680
roster if it's largely the same and, say all, Right

1765
01:28:48,680 --> 01:28:51,399
a'm And thompson's now up for an. Extension we've paid

1766
01:28:51,680 --> 01:28:54,039
the contracts might be reasonable or easily to. Justify But

1767
01:28:54,159 --> 01:28:57,760
alprin Shankun Jabari, smith how much can we actually give

1768
01:28:57,760 --> 01:29:00,000
to Tari, Easton because if he's a twenty million dollars

1769
01:29:00,039 --> 01:29:02,279
a year, player is this a team that wants to

1770
01:29:02,319 --> 01:29:06,079
give that? To what is he? Offense? LIKE i echo

1771
01:29:06,159 --> 01:29:08,720
everything you said, defensively but is he gonna be a

1772
01:29:08,760 --> 01:29:10,720
part of their closing? Unit how many minutes is he

1773
01:29:10,760 --> 01:29:12,279
actively going to? Play and then what do you view?

1774
01:29:12,359 --> 01:29:16,039
Him as you mentioned his strengths, offensively but DURING i

1775
01:29:16,079 --> 01:29:18,960
guess most offensive units he will be what the fourth

1776
01:29:19,079 --> 01:29:20,760
option he's ever really going to be higher than?

1777
01:29:20,760 --> 01:29:23,319
Speaker 2: That? Yes, no and that is fair like that is

1778
01:29:23,359 --> 01:29:27,720
the one thing that he still needs to. DEVELOP i

1779
01:29:27,960 --> 01:29:30,439
thought last year coming off the bench when he was

1780
01:29:30,600 --> 01:29:32,960
when he And Amen thompson were coming off the bench

1781
01:29:33,000 --> 01:29:36,000
together and they had that duo and they just won them.

1782
01:29:36,079 --> 01:29:41,000
Games that was like they built themselves an identity through you, know,

1783
01:29:41,159 --> 01:29:45,279
defense turning defense into transition offense and that sort of.

1784
01:29:45,319 --> 01:29:49,920
Thing there was never really a heavy emphasis on half

1785
01:29:49,960 --> 01:29:53,279
court execution on behalf of Tari ethan AND i would

1786
01:29:53,319 --> 01:29:56,359
be curious to see if there was a system out

1787
01:29:56,359 --> 01:29:59,600
there and a coach out there who saw something in,

1788
01:29:59,680 --> 01:30:03,239
him and and, OKAY i can invest something in terms

1789
01:30:03,239 --> 01:30:05,119
of him in a half court, setting BECAUSE i don't

1790
01:30:05,159 --> 01:30:08,399
think he's you, know just an energy. PLAYER i think

1791
01:30:08,479 --> 01:30:12,199
that does a disservice to his. Talent BUT i, also you,

1792
01:30:12,239 --> 01:30:15,319
know we can't sit here and act like he's perfect.

1793
01:30:15,319 --> 01:30:18,039
Whatsoever he does need more reps in the half. Court

1794
01:30:18,079 --> 01:30:21,000
he does need to prove that he's worth the squeeze

1795
01:30:21,039 --> 01:30:24,760
in that. Situation so again remains to be. SEEN i

1796
01:30:24,800 --> 01:30:28,079
would love him like virtually. Everywhere, though this.

1797
01:30:28,199 --> 01:30:30,279
Speaker 1: Is just a quick. Answer do you think The rockets

1798
01:30:30,319 --> 01:30:32,960
Are they're about let's, say seventeen million beneath the tax

1799
01:30:33,039 --> 01:30:35,039
without tarisan on the books next. YEAR i think that's

1800
01:30:35,079 --> 01:30:38,000
across nine. Players do you think that they're going to

1801
01:30:38,039 --> 01:30:39,960
be willing to go into the tax next, year that

1802
01:30:39,960 --> 01:30:42,439
they're going to want to delay that for a knowing

1803
01:30:42,479 --> 01:30:46,319
that The Aman thompson deal is coming down the, Pipeline.

1804
01:30:45,840 --> 01:30:48,560
Speaker 2: WELL i mean, eventually if you if you're expecting it

1805
01:30:48,560 --> 01:30:50,159
depends on how long do you expect to be in

1806
01:30:50,239 --> 01:30:52,720
the tax right because you also want to avoid the repeater.

1807
01:30:52,800 --> 01:30:54,319
Speaker 1: Tax, well that's my point is like you don't want

1808
01:30:54,319 --> 01:30:56,159
to START i kind of think they might not want

1809
01:30:56,199 --> 01:30:59,079
to start the clock next. Season, yeah BUT i guess

1810
01:30:59,079 --> 01:31:00,600
if you're good, enough you just do. It and there's

1811
01:31:00,600 --> 01:31:03,560
a chance that THEY i, mean they're not gonna Have

1812
01:31:03,600 --> 01:31:06,119
red Van fleet this year in all, likelihood but we

1813
01:31:06,119 --> 01:31:08,239
could look at them and say they're kind of a

1814
01:31:08,399 --> 01:31:13,680
what like the a top, seventeen like four general type

1815
01:31:13,680 --> 01:31:15,199
away from just being one of the foremost.

1816
01:31:15,239 --> 01:31:19,159
Speaker 2: Contenders do you think they would move off Of dori

1817
01:31:19,239 --> 01:31:25,239
And Phinney smith to free up that salary, slot.

1818
01:31:23,279 --> 01:31:26,600
Speaker 1: Like just to stay under to help contribute to staying

1819
01:31:26,640 --> 01:31:28,960
under the tax and Resigning Tarr. EASTON i, mean if

1820
01:31:29,000 --> 01:31:31,000
you're asking me who should be more important this team moving,

1821
01:31:31,039 --> 01:31:33,720
forward it's not even a. Question it's It's Tarry easton for.

1822
01:31:33,760 --> 01:31:36,920
Sure i'm the other. Thing what's hard to talk about

1823
01:31:36,920 --> 01:31:38,880
the guys with that extension is so much depends on

1824
01:31:38,920 --> 01:31:41,479
not what they do this, season but how this season.

1825
01:31:41,560 --> 01:31:43,800
Ends if The rockets just look like they're so, close

1826
01:31:44,159 --> 01:31:46,000
they might just go into the tax pay. Whatever and

1827
01:31:46,039 --> 01:31:48,239
if they decide to get out of it, midyear they

1828
01:31:48,319 --> 01:31:50,840
might look at if you were Talking Aboutjabari Smith. Junior

1829
01:31:51,159 --> 01:31:52,920
what if they decide to make some type of a

1830
01:31:52,920 --> 01:31:56,119
consolidation trade and then it's easier to Keep Tarr. Easton

1831
01:31:56,800 --> 01:32:00,159
there's so many different directions this could. Go he. IS

1832
01:32:00,199 --> 01:32:02,199
i don't know what the number i'd be is for,

1833
01:32:02,319 --> 01:32:04,479
me but if you paid him more than twenty million

1834
01:32:04,520 --> 01:32:06,399
dollars a, YEAR i don't know That i'm batting an

1835
01:32:06,439 --> 01:32:08,680
eye at it if you're not willing TO i think

1836
01:32:08,720 --> 01:32:11,119
a lot of it comes down to some murkiness on

1837
01:32:11,159 --> 01:32:14,079
his offensive. Value for, sure he Didn't the game Against

1838
01:32:14,079 --> 01:32:15,479
Okay see was one of the worst Games i've ever

1839
01:32:15,520 --> 01:32:18,760
seen him. Play he leveled off a little bit after after.

1840
01:32:18,800 --> 01:32:21,279
That but if you don't want to pay him, THAT

1841
01:32:21,680 --> 01:32:23,279
i guess it maybe speaks to, well we don't think

1842
01:32:23,319 --> 01:32:25,079
he's ever gonna shoot better than like a thirty four

1843
01:32:25,119 --> 01:32:27,600
to thirty six percent guy from three and how many

1844
01:32:27,640 --> 01:32:30,359
minutes in games do we trust him to be available to?

1845
01:32:30,359 --> 01:32:33,760
Speaker 2: Play ALL i know is if he gets back and

1846
01:32:33,880 --> 01:32:38,279
they somehow lock him into something like four sixty or something, Ridiculous,

1847
01:32:38,800 --> 01:32:42,279
oh that would be such a major asset for them book.

1848
01:32:42,319 --> 01:32:44,000
Wise moving, Forward.

1849
01:32:43,880 --> 01:32:45,720
Speaker 1: Well i'm gonna need to see if he signs for

1850
01:32:45,880 --> 01:32:47,880
basically the mid level or. Less i'm gonna need to

1851
01:32:47,920 --> 01:32:49,840
see his. MEDICALS i don't need to see, them But

1852
01:32:49,840 --> 01:32:51,880
i'd like to know what what do they know that

1853
01:32:51,920 --> 01:32:52,399
we don't?

1854
01:32:52,439 --> 01:32:57,800
Speaker 2: Know? Right, honestly if if The spurs didn't have that

1855
01:32:57,920 --> 01:33:01,840
many you, know shooting, questions that's the GUY i.

1856
01:33:01,880 --> 01:33:04,640
Speaker 1: Want, oh that's an embarrassment of. Riches they've Got Steph

1857
01:33:04,760 --> 01:33:07,359
cassele And wemby And Carter bryan And Luke. Cornette they

1858
01:33:07,359 --> 01:33:08,720
don't need they don't need any more help.

1859
01:33:08,720 --> 01:33:11,920
Speaker 2: There, still that is that is the power FORWARD i

1860
01:33:11,960 --> 01:33:15,039
want there As Harrison barber's, Replacement.

1861
01:33:15,319 --> 01:33:18,359
Speaker 1: Benick mathern more just you knew he wasn't going to

1862
01:33:18,399 --> 01:33:20,439
design an extension because of what his role was going

1863
01:33:20,479 --> 01:33:25,880
to be this, year Obvious. Alburton, yes and look he's,

1864
01:33:25,960 --> 01:33:29,279
hurt because everybody on The pacers is. Hurt as we,

1865
01:33:29,319 --> 01:33:33,119
talk as we talk about, THIS i recognize more and

1866
01:33:33,159 --> 01:33:35,520
more the value of What Benedict matherne can do as

1867
01:33:35,560 --> 01:33:38,520
a change of pace. Guy WHAT i continue to struggle

1868
01:33:38,560 --> 01:33:42,479
with is what does he even if he balls out this,

1869
01:33:42,600 --> 01:33:46,319
year how do you evaluate that Against, well we are

1870
01:33:46,319 --> 01:33:47,560
Still Tyry's haliburton's.

1871
01:33:47,560 --> 01:33:52,760
Speaker 2: Team that that IS i think have you you AND

1872
01:33:52,800 --> 01:33:55,439
i have talked a little bit about this before when

1873
01:33:55,479 --> 01:33:58,239
we were talking about like guys who could could blow.

1874
01:33:58,319 --> 01:34:02,239
Up that's it's such interesting wrinkle to that whole conversation

1875
01:34:02,960 --> 01:34:06,600
because you can't really use the numbers he's gonna put

1876
01:34:06,640 --> 01:34:09,359
up this year in a vacuum at least because you're you're,

1877
01:34:09,439 --> 01:34:11,439
right he's not gonna get the on ball. Reps he's

1878
01:34:11,439 --> 01:34:15,239
not going to get the same opportunities there this year's

1879
01:34:15,520 --> 01:34:19,159
probably not going to tell us a lot about his

1880
01:34:19,319 --> 01:34:24,279
off ball, tendencies, capabilities how he'll play off of leaf.

1881
01:34:24,319 --> 01:34:29,399
Guards so, yeah that's a pretty as, good pretty good ask.

1882
01:34:29,520 --> 01:34:33,720
QUESTION i, mean do they perhaps even wait until like

1883
01:34:33,760 --> 01:34:36,239
to trade that line if he's averaging freaking twenty six

1884
01:34:36,319 --> 01:34:38,640
twenty seven points per game at the to twenty three

1885
01:34:40,319 --> 01:34:44,119
and try to sell high like just to, say, okay

1886
01:34:44,199 --> 01:34:47,039
we're building up an, asset Like i'm not rolling anything

1887
01:34:47,079 --> 01:34:50,680
out at this, point because you're, right it's, like how

1888
01:34:50,680 --> 01:34:53,279
can you justify going into the summer if he's averaging

1889
01:34:53,399 --> 01:34:56,840
like ALL nba numbers and then just kind of lope

1890
01:34:56,880 --> 01:34:59,399
all the hell out of. Him you. Can't you can't justify.

1891
01:34:59,439 --> 01:35:03,800
Speaker 1: THAT i think my bold prediction would BECAUSE i don't

1892
01:35:03,800 --> 01:35:06,479
Think bennancmathern's gonna be on The pacers next, year AND

1893
01:35:06,520 --> 01:35:09,720
i don't think it's necessarily an indictment On benanicmathern having

1894
01:35:09,760 --> 01:35:13,079
a bad, year just that they're either gonna think he's

1895
01:35:13,119 --> 01:35:15,279
he doesn't fit their style or he's not gonna fit

1896
01:35:15,520 --> 01:35:17,239
what they want to. Do for what he's gonna cost,

1897
01:35:17,600 --> 01:35:22,079
THEM i think, though if he defends at a relatively good,

1898
01:35:22,159 --> 01:35:25,640
level rebounds anywhere near like he did in the opening

1899
01:35:25,680 --> 01:35:29,640
game of the, season and is gonna continue to draw

1900
01:35:29,720 --> 01:35:32,600
those free throw, opportunities maybe you can receive the three

1901
01:35:32,600 --> 01:35:35,319
point efficiencies, there which is kind of it's one of

1902
01:35:35,319 --> 01:35:37,560
those harbingers where, It's, OH i think maybe he would

1903
01:35:37,600 --> 01:35:40,279
be able to scale. Down that's probably the best bet

1904
01:35:40,319 --> 01:35:42,720
of whatever he does this. Year you reading into it and, Saying,

1905
01:35:42,880 --> 01:35:44,720
okay he got a lot more, touches was a lot

1906
01:35:44,720 --> 01:35:46,600
more involved in the. Offense they played a lot MORE

1907
01:35:46,800 --> 01:35:48,319
i want to say his, way but he was, able

1908
01:35:48,399 --> 01:35:51,319
he had more freedom in the half. Court let's invest

1909
01:35:51,319 --> 01:35:53,199
in him because we think that we've seen enough signals

1910
01:35:53,239 --> 01:35:55,760
where if he's able to do this in a higher volume,

1911
01:35:55,840 --> 01:35:58,720
role imagine what he can do alongside And Tyre's haliburton

1912
01:35:58,960 --> 01:36:02,119
doesn't receive enough credit for this super. Scalable you don't

1913
01:36:02,119 --> 01:36:04,199
want him to have to adjust his, game but like

1914
01:36:04,239 --> 01:36:06,439
he can make some, tweaks like the way that he

1915
01:36:06,479 --> 01:36:09,680
can move around off the, ball does in theory help

1916
01:36:10,399 --> 01:36:14,119
you like incorporate a higher usage version or a More

1917
01:36:14,199 --> 01:36:18,279
Benedict mathinery version Of Benedic. Mathrin so BUT i don't

1918
01:36:18,520 --> 01:36:21,920
this is. Wow first of, all let's, hope, like let's

1919
01:36:21,920 --> 01:36:24,000
hope he stays healthy because everyone on the patients he's

1920
01:36:24,000 --> 01:36:27,039
banged up right, now but he's had a lot of

1921
01:36:27,039 --> 01:36:29,039
eye opening moments through his first two games of the.

1922
01:36:29,079 --> 01:36:33,159
Speaker 2: Season we're also being a little unfair because like we're basically, assuming,

1923
01:36:33,199 --> 01:36:38,000
oh he's only got this. Year technically With achilles, injuries

1924
01:36:39,000 --> 01:36:41,439
you're probably not just looking at the one year right

1925
01:36:41,479 --> 01:36:43,319
like you're looking at the one year For haliburt and

1926
01:36:43,319 --> 01:36:46,760
which he's presumably. Off then he's got to get back

1927
01:36:46,800 --> 01:36:49,760
and get like, reacclimated get his legs under, him get

1928
01:36:49,760 --> 01:36:52,920
that full level of trust back in his. Body so

1929
01:36:52,960 --> 01:36:56,439
you're probably looking at a season and a, half which

1930
01:36:56,840 --> 01:37:00,239
could be an interesting way to sort of explore or

1931
01:37:00,439 --> 01:37:04,479
that backcourt relationship a little bit more like As tyreese

1932
01:37:04,640 --> 01:37:09,520
is coming back and getting, reacclimated that's Where Benedict mathrin can,

1933
01:37:09,520 --> 01:37:11,720
say go over more at the, offense handle more of

1934
01:37:11,800 --> 01:37:14,640
the scoring. Burden perhaps that's a way for those two

1935
01:37:14,680 --> 01:37:16,039
to calibrate and then figure shit.

1936
01:37:16,079 --> 01:37:20,760
Speaker 1: Out but how much you want to pay him when

1937
01:37:21,239 --> 01:37:23,000
that's gonna be viewed still as more of A i

1938
01:37:23,000 --> 01:37:24,199
don't want to call it a gap year, then but

1939
01:37:24,239 --> 01:37:28,520
if you think it's A Tyrese haliburton transition, Year i'd,

1940
01:37:28,600 --> 01:37:30,199
like are he's gonna be willing to give him twenty five?

1941
01:37:30,319 --> 01:37:33,159
Thirty and also HE'S i don't view him as the

1942
01:37:33,199 --> 01:37:36,239
same as A Jaalen green or A Cam, thomas but

1943
01:37:36,279 --> 01:37:39,560
he is kind of looped into that subset of guards

1944
01:37:39,840 --> 01:37:43,560
who are not considered wings but not considered primary or

1945
01:37:43,760 --> 01:37:46,800
necessarily even secondary. Playmakers so then how do you pay?

1946
01:37:46,840 --> 01:37:49,840
Them they're they feel like strictly. Twos AND i think

1947
01:37:49,880 --> 01:37:52,319
That indiana does a good job extracting more than just

1948
01:37:52,840 --> 01:37:56,520
strictly shooting guard type number of shooting guard type role

1949
01:37:56,960 --> 01:38:00,439
out of, Him but those guys are getting its seems

1950
01:38:00,479 --> 01:38:02,920
like harder to pay your teams seem inherently down on.

1951
01:38:02,960 --> 01:38:06,439
Them so let's say they keep him through this season

1952
01:38:06,600 --> 01:38:09,199
and he's he's not going to be ould assume he's

1953
01:38:09,199 --> 01:38:10,960
not averaging as much as he did through his first two,

1954
01:38:11,039 --> 01:38:15,479
games but he's twenty plus good, efficiency getting to the foul,

1955
01:38:15,520 --> 01:38:18,159
line puts pressure on the basket, shooting, okay for rebound

1956
01:38:18,600 --> 01:38:21,239
rebounding His let's say that's come, up he's defended at

1957
01:38:21,319 --> 01:38:25,319
least relatively, Well i'd just be curious as to what

1958
01:38:25,359 --> 01:38:26,920
the market would even be said in. Him are we

1959
01:38:27,000 --> 01:38:29,520
looking at another situation where IT'S i think you could

1960
01:38:29,520 --> 01:38:31,720
say this With Quentin grimes or say this With Jonathan,

1961
01:38:31,760 --> 01:38:34,239
kmingo to use the most recent, examples we know those

1962
01:38:34,279 --> 01:38:38,039
guys are valuable or that there's upside, there nobody was

1963
01:38:38,079 --> 01:38:40,600
still willing to pay, them and Then Quentin grimes's, case

1964
01:38:40,640 --> 01:38:42,239
his own team wasn't willing to pay.

1965
01:38:42,279 --> 01:38:45,159
Speaker 2: Them, well, okay, okay SO i hear. YOU i agree with,

1966
01:38:45,239 --> 01:38:47,640
you BUT i will say it's sort of different than

1967
01:38:47,680 --> 01:38:50,840
from The jonathan cominga, situation at least Because kumenka got

1968
01:38:50,920 --> 01:38:54,000
jerked around a. Lot If matthurin has like a full

1969
01:38:54,159 --> 01:38:57,680
year of like a very set role and like he's

1970
01:38:57,760 --> 01:39:00,720
producing at a level that, is you, know let's say

1971
01:39:00,800 --> 01:39:05,640
high twins in the point production like we Saw kuminga for.

1972
01:39:05,840 --> 01:39:08,760
Years you, know he'll put up eighteen and seven one

1973
01:39:08,920 --> 01:39:12,439
night and put up like two and three the, Next,

1974
01:39:12,600 --> 01:39:16,880
Right like the level of inconsistency With comingo was at

1975
01:39:17,000 --> 01:39:19,880
least very. Prevalent if that is not the case With,

1976
01:39:20,039 --> 01:39:23,279
MATHERIN i probably would be inclined to just, say well

1977
01:39:23,880 --> 01:39:29,760
he's better because, no, efficiency, sorry consistency is just that

1978
01:39:29,920 --> 01:39:31,079
much more valuable the next.

1979
01:39:31,159 --> 01:39:32,760
Speaker 1: GUY i think we might need like twenty minutes to

1980
01:39:32,800 --> 01:39:35,960
talk about. Him Usman Jang, moore were you shut as

1981
01:39:35,960 --> 01:39:37,760
shocked AS i was that he didn't get an? EXTENSION

1982
01:39:38,079 --> 01:39:38,279
i was.

1983
01:39:38,319 --> 01:39:40,359
Speaker 2: Shocked he's still on The, thunder so, like good on?

1984
01:39:40,520 --> 01:39:43,319
Speaker 1: Him does he finish the season on The? Thunder do you?

1985
01:39:43,359 --> 01:39:44,479
Speaker 2: THINK i don't think.

1986
01:39:44,600 --> 01:39:47,039
Speaker 1: So, no they normally do you tend to get rid

1987
01:39:47,079 --> 01:39:48,359
of those guys that they're not gonna keep us want

1988
01:39:48,359 --> 01:39:50,159
to throw him in. THERE i loved. IT i still

1989
01:39:50,199 --> 01:39:53,479
do Love Oo's i'm just not doing anything to warrant

1990
01:39:53,640 --> 01:39:56,800
that it's not being reciprocated with his. Play Mark williams though,

1991
01:39:56,880 --> 01:39:58,479
MORE i don't think he was going to get one

1992
01:39:58,840 --> 01:40:00,760
just because he came over from and even if he

1993
01:40:00,760 --> 01:40:02,880
stayed In. Charlotte, one they didn't want. Him they've made

1994
01:40:02,880 --> 01:40:05,600
that clear twice over. Now but, two you have to

1995
01:40:05,600 --> 01:40:08,399
see if he could stay, healthy what is His how

1996
01:40:09,159 --> 01:40:10,880
do you even try to begin to value?

1997
01:40:11,039 --> 01:40:14,600
Speaker 2: Him you, Don't that's the thing you. DON'T i, mean,

1998
01:40:15,279 --> 01:40:21,000
look the injury thing alone is it's just such a huge,

1999
01:40:21,119 --> 01:40:23,880
issue such a huge red, flag which is a shame

2000
01:40:23,960 --> 01:40:27,439
of BECAUSE i really Like Mark. WILLIAMS i thought that

2001
01:40:28,000 --> 01:40:31,119
despite the injury, concerns despite the fact that defensively he

2002
01:40:31,199 --> 01:40:34,520
didn't project this all of, that just having such a

2003
01:40:34,720 --> 01:40:39,119
big physical presence on the, floor who could, somehow some

2004
01:40:39,239 --> 01:40:41,960
way get shuts up around the rim and do SOMETHING

2005
01:40:42,119 --> 01:40:46,840
i thought that was insanely. Valuable APPARENTLY nba teams just

2006
01:40:46,960 --> 01:40:50,479
do not agree with, me which is. Fine, so, like

2007
01:40:50,720 --> 01:40:53,399
what is his value right? NOW i have no freaking.

2008
01:40:53,479 --> 01:40:55,520
Clue if he's going to be the backup center In

2009
01:40:55,920 --> 01:40:59,600
phoenix all year, long we're probably not looking at starter

2010
01:40:59,720 --> 01:41:02,279
money going into the next. Season when you compound that

2011
01:41:02,399 --> 01:41:03,680
with the injury, factor.

2012
01:41:04,079 --> 01:41:07,199
Speaker 1: He's they're also and maybe this is they do it

2013
01:41:07,239 --> 01:41:09,520
out of an abundance of caution with the right, knee

2014
01:41:09,600 --> 01:41:13,239
injury management. Always just seeing that makes me a little

2015
01:41:13,279 --> 01:41:16,760
queasy IF i Had i'm gonna make you pick right,

2016
01:41:16,840 --> 01:41:20,159
now does he get more or less than the non

2017
01:41:20,279 --> 01:41:24,560
tax payer mid level less next year? LESS i Think

2018
01:41:24,640 --> 01:41:25,119
i'm with. You.

2019
01:41:26,920 --> 01:41:31,079
Speaker 2: Yeah the thing is that could be a, steal though it.

2020
01:41:31,159 --> 01:41:32,960
Speaker 1: Could but we said the same thing About Robert williams

2021
01:41:33,000 --> 01:41:34,319
the third a lot of the times.

2022
01:41:34,359 --> 01:41:39,239
Speaker 2: Too oh that's. Depressing that was the depressing name to bring. Up, okay,

2023
01:41:39,600 --> 01:41:40,079
yeah and.

2024
01:41:40,159 --> 01:41:43,319
Speaker 1: He look honestly OUR w three's peak just for what

2025
01:41:43,399 --> 01:41:45,359
he was able to do. DEFENSIVELY i Know Mark williams

2026
01:41:45,359 --> 01:41:47,920
has had better accounting stats at, point But Tom williams

2027
01:41:47,960 --> 01:41:50,039
the third was a more intriguing not as, big of,

2028
01:41:50,159 --> 01:41:52,800
COURSE i HATE i just we'll see how many games

2029
01:41:52,840 --> 01:41:54,399
he plays. In but you're, right, like what is his

2030
01:41:54,479 --> 01:41:56,920
Actual let's say he even stays, healthy if it's in

2031
01:41:57,000 --> 01:42:01,000
a moderate minutes role and they're, managing that's going to

2032
01:42:01,039 --> 01:42:04,399
impact his. Value just another incredibly tough case. Study and

2033
01:42:04,520 --> 01:42:06,520
the other thing too IS i think he's in the

2034
01:42:06,560 --> 01:42:09,119
bigs where you look at A Jalen. Duran we're gonna

2035
01:42:09,119 --> 01:42:11,079
talk about another one of these bigs he might be

2036
01:42:11,159 --> 01:42:14,720
graduating from. THAT i don't think there's like a line

2037
01:42:14,720 --> 01:42:17,119
of demarcation for bigs now to where it's unless you're

2038
01:42:17,119 --> 01:42:20,800
a star or you're a floor, spacer they. Don't it

2039
01:42:20,880 --> 01:42:22,800
feels like teams might not know how to value. You

2040
01:42:23,279 --> 01:42:25,520
And Mark williams kind of falls into, that and if,

2041
01:42:25,560 --> 01:42:28,760
anything he's harder just because of the defensive weaknesses that he's.

2042
01:42:28,760 --> 01:42:33,520
Shown next, up we Have Jeremy sohan mort how you

2043
01:42:33,560 --> 01:42:34,319
feel about, him.

2044
01:42:34,840 --> 01:42:40,199
Speaker 2: Well, dan we talked about him before we started, recording

2045
01:42:41,319 --> 01:42:46,319
and it seems as though we both had completely forgotten

2046
01:42:46,359 --> 01:42:49,880
about the young, man just forgotten he existed on this.

2047
01:42:49,960 --> 01:42:53,720
Purse that's probably not a great, sign.

2048
01:42:56,079 --> 01:42:58,880
Speaker 1: No and it's especially now that they have Lou cornett

2049
01:42:58,920 --> 01:43:00,880
there and it's who would you, rather, honestly who would

2050
01:43:00,880 --> 01:43:03,239
you rather see play Alongside, Wemby Luke cornett Or Jeremy.

2051
01:43:03,279 --> 01:43:06,520
Sohan it's really not even are the things That Jeremy

2052
01:43:06,600 --> 01:43:09,960
sohan can do DEFENSIVELY i appreciate AND i also think

2053
01:43:10,039 --> 01:43:12,439
that they found something with him sort of being utilized

2054
01:43:13,000 --> 01:43:15,560
as this play finisher on, offense maybe being able to

2055
01:43:15,600 --> 01:43:19,119
do stuff in. Transition but if he's doing that like

2056
01:43:19,279 --> 01:43:21,000
a lot of the play. Finishing then that's just something

2057
01:43:21,039 --> 01:43:23,960
else That wemby can't necessarily. Do and SO i Want

2058
01:43:24,039 --> 01:43:28,039
wemby either alongside a quirky front court partner like A

2059
01:43:28,119 --> 01:43:30,199
Louke cornett or someone who's just going to space the

2060
01:43:30,239 --> 01:43:32,439
floor around him if it's going to be in A

2061
01:43:32,479 --> 01:43:33,560
Harrison barnes.

2062
01:43:33,600 --> 01:43:38,159
Speaker 2: Right, NO i agree with you, entirely and so hand

2063
01:43:38,399 --> 01:43:42,319
to his, credit like he is a good. Player he

2064
01:43:42,560 --> 01:43:47,119
does have a tendency to you, know occasionally put up

2065
01:43:47,199 --> 01:43:49,920
some counting sets where you're kind of double checking yourself and, going,

2066
01:43:50,000 --> 01:43:53,199
oh he actually did. That that's pretty. Impressive and he'll have,

2067
01:43:53,399 --> 01:43:56,439
games especially last, year although that was an sort of

2068
01:43:56,520 --> 01:43:58,840
injury plagued. Year he was in and out out of

2069
01:43:58,880 --> 01:44:01,640
the line up all year. Long felt you know where

2070
01:44:01,680 --> 01:44:04,079
he got closer into the basket where he took smarter

2071
01:44:04,159 --> 01:44:06,319
shots around the. Rim we saw his two point conversion

2072
01:44:06,399 --> 01:44:09,760
raid if memory sirs jump up, significantly like there was

2073
01:44:10,000 --> 01:44:12,880
more of like an interior slashing game to. Him so

2074
01:44:13,079 --> 01:44:17,000
like there is there's an element of scoring touch, there

2075
01:44:17,680 --> 01:44:21,359
just not the specific scoring touch that The spurs need from.

2076
01:44:21,439 --> 01:44:25,840
Him and that's where things sort of get a little,

2077
01:44:25,960 --> 01:44:30,359
murky because if he doesn't offer you what you, need

2078
01:44:32,720 --> 01:44:33,960
how can you move on from?

2079
01:44:34,039 --> 01:44:38,319
Speaker 1: That it's also it's tough, too because if you're gonna

2080
01:44:38,359 --> 01:44:41,560
be dealing with at least one, guard let's say that

2081
01:44:41,720 --> 01:44:43,920
has some limitations on his. RANGE i know It's Steph

2082
01:44:43,960 --> 01:44:45,800
castle can do off the ball EVERYBODY i get, it

2083
01:44:46,439 --> 01:44:48,399
and he's Get those are averaging like four point eight

2084
01:44:48,479 --> 01:44:50,600
three point attempts in the time that he's played this.

2085
01:44:50,760 --> 01:44:54,600
Year but, so but that adds another wrinkle into the equation.

2086
01:44:54,920 --> 01:44:58,199
There So i'm gonna ask you, this more of these three.

2087
01:44:58,279 --> 01:45:00,960
Players rank them in terms of the likelihood that they

2088
01:45:00,960 --> 01:45:06,079
are In San antonio next? Season Harrison, barnes who's a free,

2089
01:45:06,079 --> 01:45:08,600
Agent Calton johnson will be going into the final year

2090
01:45:08,600 --> 01:45:09,680
of his, contract And Jeremy.

2091
01:45:09,760 --> 01:45:14,239
Speaker 2: SOHAN i don't think any of those three players are in.

2092
01:45:14,399 --> 01:45:15,600
Sentence did you say next?

2093
01:45:15,600 --> 01:45:18,800
Speaker 1: Summer or rank them in terms of likelihood that they're

2094
01:45:18,840 --> 01:45:19,600
on The spurs next?

2095
01:45:19,640 --> 01:45:25,680
Speaker 2: Season, WELL i, MEAN i think all are gone with, Sir.

2096
01:45:25,920 --> 01:45:28,000
Speaker 1: But who's so who's most likely to still be?

2097
01:45:28,119 --> 01:45:32,439
Speaker 2: There Harrison. Barnes if anyone the free, AGENT.

2098
01:45:32,239 --> 01:45:33,880
Speaker 1: I probably just would have went With Calden johnson because

2099
01:45:33,880 --> 01:45:34,279
he's under.

2100
01:45:34,319 --> 01:45:37,439
Speaker 2: Contract no he's such a great trade. CHIP i think

2101
01:45:38,239 --> 01:45:40,359
like they do love him. Though he's a great. Seamate

2102
01:45:40,680 --> 01:45:42,760
he's the one who really lives like the locker room

2103
01:45:42,840 --> 01:45:45,640
up and. Whatnot but they understand he's a great contract

2104
01:45:45,680 --> 01:45:48,399
to move off of so like and so, high AND

2105
01:45:48,520 --> 01:45:52,199
I i know he's the least likely to remain if

2106
01:45:52,239 --> 01:45:54,079
we're going down that. ROUTE i JUST i don't think. That,

2107
01:45:54,760 --> 01:45:59,239
yeah But, barnes, like if you put a gun to

2108
01:45:59,359 --> 01:46:01,479
my head and, said you know which one of these

2109
01:46:01,520 --> 01:46:04,680
guys could have a chance in hell, sticking it's Probably Harrison.

2110
01:46:04,760 --> 01:46:08,000
Speaker 1: Parts BUT i, think is there any team that would

2111
01:46:08,079 --> 01:46:13,840
interest you as A jeremy So han? Spot that's a good.

2112
01:46:13,960 --> 01:46:16,920
Speaker 2: Question that's actually a really good. QUESTION i hadn't thought

2113
01:46:17,000 --> 01:46:20,960
about like a specific, team so like who Needs peking?

2114
01:46:21,520 --> 01:46:24,800
Speaker 1: Four, YEAH i was GONNA i was gonna Say boston

2115
01:46:25,159 --> 01:46:27,479
would be. Interesting with the way they like to run their.

2116
01:46:27,520 --> 01:46:30,279
Offense there's normally plenty of space on the floor for.

2117
01:46:30,439 --> 01:46:34,359
Speaker 2: That you Want Jeremy sohan to take five hundred threes

2118
01:46:34,399 --> 01:46:35,239
in the, Season.

2119
01:46:35,399 --> 01:46:37,399
Speaker 1: NO i think about the like the lanes that'll be

2120
01:46:37,479 --> 01:46:39,399
open for like slashing or driving with.

2121
01:46:39,560 --> 01:46:43,800
Speaker 2: Him, yeah because we definitely haven't Seen boston waste a

2122
01:46:43,840 --> 01:46:46,039
ton of those opportunities by just jacking up a. Three,

2123
01:46:46,039 --> 01:46:49,159
anyway when driving lines driving lanes opened, Up, No i'm.

2124
01:46:49,199 --> 01:46:52,279
KIDDING i SEE i see the VISION i. Do it's.

2125
01:46:52,359 --> 01:46:56,720
INTERESTING i don't hate. IT i wonder, again it depends

2126
01:46:56,760 --> 01:46:58,800
on the, money AND i don't think they they'll have

2127
01:46:59,039 --> 01:47:02,399
any of. It he would be interesting on The. KNICKS

2128
01:47:04,199 --> 01:47:07,119
i feel as sort of like a When towns is

2129
01:47:07,159 --> 01:47:09,840
forced to play center, situation If mitch isn't, There.

2130
01:47:10,000 --> 01:47:11,119
Speaker 1: Downs is forced to play.

2131
01:47:11,199 --> 01:47:14,439
Speaker 2: Center when that's, no he's you know WHAT i, mean

2132
01:47:14,520 --> 01:47:17,439
like a defensive center. Situation you want someone who can

2133
01:47:17,560 --> 01:47:20,039
like roam around and do some of the dirty.

2134
01:47:20,079 --> 01:47:22,640
Speaker 1: World the problem with that is you're getting So i'm

2135
01:47:22,800 --> 01:47:25,359
if if you don't Have Mitchell, ROBINSON i get. It

2136
01:47:25,560 --> 01:47:27,560
but if you Have Mitchell, robinson then it's. Okay Between

2137
01:47:27,640 --> 01:47:30,119
Josh Hart Mitchell robinson and so you're getting so far

2138
01:47:30,159 --> 01:47:33,199
away from everfielding fly out. Lineup so if The, knicks

2139
01:47:33,439 --> 01:47:35,960
If towns is your, center, yeah if, that If towns

2140
01:47:36,000 --> 01:47:38,520
becomes the default, CENTER i think you having A sohan

2141
01:47:38,640 --> 01:47:40,479
And an and it would be on the same, inside

2142
01:47:40,520 --> 01:47:43,479
the same rotation would be would be. Good what about,

2143
01:47:43,760 --> 01:47:45,359
well they just don't have the, spacing but they. Do

2144
01:47:45,760 --> 01:47:48,680
he feels like a quirky guy who'd WORK iq wise.

2145
01:47:48,760 --> 01:47:49,319
Too Golden.

2146
01:47:49,359 --> 01:47:53,159
Speaker 2: State yeah that makes. SENSE i love, that sort of

2147
01:47:53,239 --> 01:47:55,079
like A draymond you, know.

2148
01:47:55,319 --> 01:47:59,720
Speaker 1: Continuation, yeah that would Be, honestly they're just trying To.

2149
01:48:00,039 --> 01:48:02,600
Brooklyn that's someone who will play him at least you

2150
01:48:02,640 --> 01:48:04,319
want to know the depth of his skills At brooklyn

2151
01:48:04,359 --> 01:48:07,000
would be the spot to. Go that's probably enough On Jeremy,

2152
01:48:07,079 --> 01:48:09,159
sohan THOUGH i think it. Is we have two more.

2153
01:48:09,239 --> 01:48:13,600
Names Oh Chick Bojie sneaky valuable last year when you

2154
01:48:13,640 --> 01:48:15,239
look at what he was doing defensively and how he

2155
01:48:15,279 --> 01:48:17,399
shot the three. Ball where are you at with?

2156
01:48:17,520 --> 01:48:21,800
Speaker 2: Him backup? Wing ultimately, SPEAKING i don't think he, is you,

2157
01:48:21,880 --> 01:48:23,760
know a full time starter in those sleep but that

2158
01:48:23,840 --> 01:48:26,560
doesn't mean he doesn't have. Value LIKE i think he's

2159
01:48:26,600 --> 01:48:29,079
one of those wings who, can like a true, wing

2160
01:48:29,279 --> 01:48:31,319
not stuck at a, two not stuck at the. THREE

2161
01:48:31,399 --> 01:48:34,239
i think he can play both positions and that has.

2162
01:48:34,439 --> 01:48:37,680
VALUE i think he's a guy you can trust to

2163
01:48:38,079 --> 01:48:40,279
make defensive. PLAYS i think he's a guy you can

2164
01:48:40,319 --> 01:48:43,520
trust to have a certain baseline. OFFENSIVELY i think his

2165
01:48:43,640 --> 01:48:47,960
athleticism is a. BONUS i still WHENEVER i watch him,

2166
01:48:47,960 --> 01:48:51,840
PLAY i keep, thinking, oh like he's twenty, two twenty,

2167
01:48:51,880 --> 01:48:53,600
three and then you, realize, oh, no he's actually three

2168
01:48:53,680 --> 01:48:56,560
years older than. That he's he's like approaching his. Prime

2169
01:48:57,279 --> 01:49:00,319
and that's kind of WHEN i fall into that trap of, going,

2170
01:49:00,479 --> 01:49:03,520
oh he's got so much you, know remaining potential left

2171
01:49:03,520 --> 01:49:07,760
in his, tank which he probably does not if we're being,

2172
01:49:07,880 --> 01:49:11,640
real and that's going to affect like the monetary. Value

2173
01:49:12,279 --> 01:49:14,640
So i'm actually gonna ask, you, like what do you

2174
01:49:14,840 --> 01:49:19,600
think is a contractual like parameter that he would fall

2175
01:49:19,680 --> 01:49:21,279
into that makes sense for everyone?

2176
01:49:21,359 --> 01:49:26,720
Speaker 1: Involved contractual PARAMETER i was gonna, say doesn't he kind

2177
01:49:26,760 --> 01:49:30,920
of feel like his Eras Dori Infinney, Smith you're not

2178
01:49:31,039 --> 01:49:33,000
gonna get much more out of him on offense than

2179
01:49:33,000 --> 01:49:35,039
if you, WANT i, know Dorrin Ifhinney smith sometimes had

2180
01:49:35,039 --> 01:49:38,239
the driving to his his his, repertoire like Like Ochak,

2181
01:49:38,279 --> 01:49:41,079
BAJI i just look at someone as you know you

2182
01:49:41,199 --> 01:49:44,840
mentioned he kind of has a baseline on offense in

2183
01:49:44,960 --> 01:49:46,960
terms of his skill. Set, yes but when you kind

2184
01:49:47,000 --> 01:49:49,239
of still don't know do you trust the three to

2185
01:49:49,359 --> 01:49:51,119
go down as you would like that baseline to be,

2186
01:49:51,239 --> 01:49:53,399
higher because then you just know we have someone who's

2187
01:49:53,399 --> 01:49:56,680
gonna compete, defensively can guard up and down the positional,

2188
01:49:56,720 --> 01:50:00,319
spectrum and make, Threes and right, NOW i think he

2189
01:50:00,479 --> 01:50:03,159
checks two of those. Boxes If i'm trying to put

2190
01:50:03,199 --> 01:50:06,760
a dollar amount on, IT i THINK i would roll

2191
01:50:06,840 --> 01:50:09,239
the dice on like a close to non tas mid

2192
01:50:09,359 --> 01:50:12,800
level to, him like fourteen fifteen a year feels. Reasonable

2193
01:50:12,840 --> 01:50:15,039
but the question would be would you go a full

2194
01:50:15,119 --> 01:50:18,000
four years on that where it's four and fifty six

2195
01:50:18,159 --> 01:50:20,920
or four and sixty three years in the team.

2196
01:50:20,960 --> 01:50:23,560
Speaker 2: OPTION i would love that.

2197
01:50:23,720 --> 01:50:27,159
Speaker 1: Contract that's honestly for him, though AND i said this,

2198
01:50:27,239 --> 01:50:28,640
BEFORE i don't like to boil it down to. This

2199
01:50:28,840 --> 01:50:30,359
it really does come. Down we know what he is,

2200
01:50:30,399 --> 01:50:32,640
DEFENSIVELY i, think and we know what he can be.

2201
01:50:32,800 --> 01:50:35,760
Offensively the question is can he just be? It and

2202
01:50:35,880 --> 01:50:38,640
that is make. Threes he can't be someone who's hovering

2203
01:50:38,680 --> 01:50:42,319
around thirty three. Percent he doesn't do enough like Herb

2204
01:50:42,439 --> 01:50:45,359
jones as an, example does so much more defensively than

2205
01:50:45,439 --> 01:50:47,760
Off baji and even more offensively to where it's, Right,

2206
01:50:47,840 --> 01:50:50,039
yeah you live with. That abaji can't be one of

2207
01:50:50,079 --> 01:50:52,920
those dudes on the offensive. END i agree our final

2208
01:50:53,000 --> 01:50:56,840
player mort he's. Pissed he wants you to know he's

2209
01:50:56,880 --> 01:50:59,880
pissed he didn't get an. Extension Walker, Kessler.

2210
01:51:00,399 --> 01:51:02,600
Speaker 2: I've been weirded out by that soul situation for a

2211
01:51:02,640 --> 01:51:05,840
while because he found himself in trade rumors all the

2212
01:51:05,920 --> 01:51:06,800
way back.

2213
01:51:06,760 --> 01:51:09,880
Speaker 1: To his rookie. Season probably yeah.

2214
01:51:09,800 --> 01:51:12,720
Speaker 2: No, yeah, yeah, Right but like they intensified a great

2215
01:51:12,800 --> 01:51:17,159
deal at the trade deadline In, february. RIGHT i feel

2216
01:51:17,159 --> 01:51:19,560
as though that was like the point where it started

2217
01:51:19,600 --> 01:51:23,359
to feel, like are they like they haven't really like?

2218
01:51:23,600 --> 01:51:25,239
You so of fans can correct me If i'm. Wrong

2219
01:51:25,920 --> 01:51:28,560
it doesn't feel LIKE i ever saw something where they

2220
01:51:28,640 --> 01:51:31,399
went out and went to bad for. HIM i really, said, like,

2221
01:51:31,479 --> 01:51:34,319
look we can shut this. Down he's he's sticking with.

2222
01:51:34,479 --> 01:51:39,039
Us SO i wonder if there's like several things involved,

2223
01:51:39,079 --> 01:51:42,920
here where one it's, like, hey where's the commitment to

2224
01:51:43,000 --> 01:51:47,079
me financially and also where's the, Trust like why aren't,

2225
01:51:47,119 --> 01:51:51,720
you you, know talking about me as someone who can

2226
01:51:51,760 --> 01:51:55,760
stick around the. Franchise and if those are indeed some

2227
01:51:55,920 --> 01:52:00,640
of his, CONCERNS i get, it that's. FAIR i you,

2228
01:52:00,720 --> 01:52:05,399
know this is a seven to two guy who, defensively you,

2229
01:52:05,479 --> 01:52:10,119
know we talked. About, yeah we talked About Jalen durham

2230
01:52:10,239 --> 01:52:15,119
And detroit. Earlier if you were to Replace Jalen Durham Walker,

2231
01:52:15,199 --> 01:52:21,119
KESSLER i would feel like a lot MORE i don't

2232
01:52:21,119 --> 01:52:24,319
know what the word is safe or certain about the

2233
01:52:24,359 --> 01:52:28,239
pistons for, example like a lot just because of the

2234
01:52:28,319 --> 01:52:31,560
sheer size of it, all and like the defensive, acumen

2235
01:52:31,840 --> 01:52:35,560
and LIKE I i would feel more at ease With

2236
01:52:35,720 --> 01:52:39,279
kesh story Than durha for. Example but for some reason

2237
01:52:39,439 --> 01:52:44,439
In utah they don't necessarily view him like, that WHICH

2238
01:52:44,920 --> 01:52:47,600
i don't know. Why it's not something That i'm privy.

2239
01:52:47,680 --> 01:52:49,880
To it also seems like a lot OF usa fans

2240
01:52:49,920 --> 01:52:54,640
are a little bit like confused about why this is.

2241
01:52:54,680 --> 01:52:59,079
Speaker 1: Developed so WHAT i will say IS i think that

2242
01:52:59,159 --> 01:53:01,359
there there is some weirdness here BECAUSE i had talked

2243
01:53:01,359 --> 01:53:03,520
To Sarah tood Of Deseret news leading into the season

2244
01:53:03,600 --> 01:53:07,239
and asked if the quote that he had at Media

2245
01:53:07,319 --> 01:53:10,439
day about the EXTENSION i didn't actually hear, it SO i,

2246
01:53:10,479 --> 01:53:13,239
said was anything taken out of? Context and her response

2247
01:53:13,359 --> 01:53:16,600
was something to the effect of it's actually sounded worse

2248
01:53:17,119 --> 01:53:20,800
than the content of, It and so there is some awkwardness.

2249
01:53:20,920 --> 01:53:23,800
There but there is part of me that things were

2250
01:53:23,880 --> 01:53:26,720
overthinking this in the sense that, yes they probably didn't

2251
01:53:26,760 --> 01:53:30,159
extend him to keep the trade options. Open but the

2252
01:53:30,239 --> 01:53:34,520
other thing Is utah's now this is year season four

2253
01:53:35,079 --> 01:53:37,720
of its teardown right, Three Like Donov mitchell's been in,

2254
01:53:38,039 --> 01:53:42,279
yeah season four of its post, teardown their timeline's all

2255
01:53:42,399 --> 01:53:47,000
sorts of, hazy and his cap pulled as of right

2256
01:53:47,039 --> 01:53:49,079
now next summer is going to be fourteen point six.

2257
01:53:49,199 --> 01:53:51,760
Million that's a big difference from whatever he would have.

2258
01:53:51,840 --> 01:53:53,680
Gotten he wasn't if he would have signed for under

2259
01:53:53,680 --> 01:53:55,479
twenty million dollars a, YEAR i would have been. SHOCKED

2260
01:53:55,800 --> 01:53:58,039
i would have guessed he's more likely to sign for

2261
01:53:58,079 --> 01:54:01,720
twenty five plus than under than twenty or. Less and

2262
01:54:01,800 --> 01:54:03,600
so now you're talking about a big. Difference and If

2263
01:54:03,680 --> 01:54:07,600
utah is feeling the urgency to improve having cap space

2264
01:54:08,000 --> 01:54:10,720
not necessarily sarily as a vehicle to acquire town in

2265
01:54:10,800 --> 01:54:13,039
free agency, anymore we all know how that, works but

2266
01:54:13,159 --> 01:54:16,640
to facilitate, TRADES i understand wanting to keep that flexibility.

2267
01:54:16,680 --> 01:54:19,439
Open at the same time also acknowledging we don't know

2268
01:54:19,640 --> 01:54:21,720
enough about how good we can be or how much

2269
01:54:21,760 --> 01:54:23,760
we will be able to or need to fast track,

2270
01:54:23,840 --> 01:54:26,920
this to commit him to that dollar point because the

2271
01:54:27,039 --> 01:54:29,800
talent around. Him we know What Walker kessler does, best

2272
01:54:30,439 --> 01:54:35,039
and his, offense, though is so dependent on those who

2273
01:54:35,079 --> 01:54:38,439
are around, him and there's a lot of uncertainty In

2274
01:54:38,640 --> 01:54:42,560
utah that his value on offense will be more hold

2275
01:54:42,600 --> 01:54:46,960
into how these other players are. Performing and there's a

2276
01:54:47,119 --> 01:54:49,119
chance that his contract had you would sign him for

2277
01:54:49,199 --> 01:54:51,359
let's say five, years one hundred and if they gave

2278
01:54:51,439 --> 01:54:53,800
him The Keegan murray, deal there's a chance that could

2279
01:54:53,800 --> 01:54:56,720
have been viewed disfavorably around the league depending on how

2280
01:54:56,760 --> 01:54:59,119
this season plays. Out so this is one of those

2281
01:54:59,119 --> 01:55:00,840
situations WHERE i under to have both sides of the

2282
01:55:00,960 --> 01:55:03,399
argument to WHERE i absolutely think if you could have

2283
01:55:03,479 --> 01:55:06,439
Locked Walker kessler down at like twenty to twenty three,

2284
01:55:06,479 --> 01:55:09,039
million you should have done. It BUT i also UNDERSTAND

2285
01:55:09,039 --> 01:55:12,239
i understand why he's pissed off about. IT i also

2286
01:55:12,399 --> 01:55:15,720
understand Why utah isn't doing. IT i don't my read

2287
01:55:15,840 --> 01:55:18,560
on it that, AGAIN i do think there's some. WEIRDNESS

2288
01:55:19,039 --> 01:55:22,680
i also do think The jazz and their fans understand

2289
01:55:23,479 --> 01:55:27,119
how valuable he. Is it's just does that value align

2290
01:55:27,319 --> 01:55:30,279
with the window in which they're going to be. Operating

2291
01:55:30,319 --> 01:55:33,760
and also this could be a situation, where because of

2292
01:55:33,840 --> 01:55:37,600
what he can do, offensively do they view themselves of

2293
01:55:37,720 --> 01:55:40,359
having some sort of cap if they decide to give

2294
01:55:40,439 --> 01:55:42,000
him twenty five thirty million dollars a.

2295
01:55:42,119 --> 01:55:46,720
Speaker 2: Year my, LIKE i get that all of. It my

2296
01:55:46,920 --> 01:55:51,840
thing is the personal relationship, here because you could see

2297
01:55:51,960 --> 01:55:55,359
that he was. Pissed he wanted, This he wanted this

2298
01:55:55,680 --> 01:56:01,319
type of security contract whatever you call. It you he

2299
01:56:01,520 --> 01:56:07,279
wanted actively to be. There if you are potentially hurting

2300
01:56:07,479 --> 01:56:10,439
your player relationship and with someone who you consider your

2301
01:56:10,439 --> 01:56:15,239
starting center by going you, know onwards with the Kap,

2302
01:56:15,319 --> 01:56:19,319
minutia then you failed in your communication at the very,

2303
01:56:19,439 --> 01:56:23,119
least like you could have looped him. In like, again

2304
01:56:23,199 --> 01:56:25,560
it's tough because he could have also told YOU i

2305
01:56:25,680 --> 01:56:28,319
want my money now Because i'm that, good which fair.

2306
01:56:28,439 --> 01:56:31,960
Enough but at the very, LEAST i hope that they

2307
01:56:32,039 --> 01:56:34,600
did try to loop him into the idea that, hey

2308
01:56:35,079 --> 01:56:38,039
remember that if we've seen this, before it was The

2309
01:56:38,199 --> 01:56:41,760
kawhi caphold that actually got Them LaMarcus alts back in the. Day,

2310
01:56:42,279 --> 01:56:44,720
LIKE i granted you're probably four years older than. That, no.

2311
01:56:47,039 --> 01:56:49,840
Speaker 1: But, no but you bring an interesting point because, SORRY

2312
01:56:49,840 --> 01:56:51,520
i didn't. Reject but it's think about what The sixers

2313
01:56:51,560 --> 01:56:54,800
did With Tyre's. Maxie he was very much. Aware do

2314
01:56:54,880 --> 01:56:56,399
you think it makes it harder at all, though to

2315
01:56:56,560 --> 01:56:59,000
have for maybe even let's say they had that level of,

2316
01:56:59,039 --> 01:57:01,520
communication is it harder for him to get on board

2317
01:57:01,560 --> 01:57:04,560
with it when His TYRES maxi even at the time

2318
01:57:04,680 --> 01:57:07,079
before he went through that, year he think he won

2319
01:57:07,159 --> 01:57:09,880
motion improved. Player right before he became a restartive free.

2320
01:57:09,880 --> 01:57:10,560
Agent he was up.

2321
01:57:10,600 --> 01:57:13,319
Speaker 2: There he was a, star, yes but didn't he had the.

2322
01:57:13,399 --> 01:57:16,920
Speaker 1: Cash he had like the status of he'll get maximumy right,

2323
01:57:17,199 --> 01:57:19,279
right And Walker kesler. Doesn't and So i'm wondering if

2324
01:57:19,319 --> 01:57:23,199
that variable add some fragility to this.

2325
01:57:23,319 --> 01:57:25,840
Speaker 2: Situation that's a really good point because again with the

2326
01:57:25,880 --> 01:57:29,439
same With kawhi back in twenty, fifteen that same, thing,

2327
01:57:29,680 --> 01:57:34,359
right it Was kawhi Frickin. Leonard so, yes absolutely he

2328
01:57:34,439 --> 01:57:39,920
knew he was going to get the. Money it's interesting

2329
01:57:40,279 --> 01:57:43,800
in terms of What Walker kessler was asking for, too

2330
01:57:43,920 --> 01:57:47,520
because there could be multiple angles to play. Here one

2331
01:57:47,600 --> 01:57:50,680
could be the cap hold angle that you brought. Up

2332
01:57:51,119 --> 01:57:54,039
the second could also be that they are just not

2333
01:57:54,319 --> 01:57:59,039
aligned on the money as. Well so if You're utah

2334
01:57:59,079 --> 01:58:02,520
you're looking at situation and you're, saying, okay we might

2335
01:58:02,640 --> 01:58:05,039
be you, know five or six million apart per. Year

2336
01:58:05,600 --> 01:58:09,479
that's tough to make up ground on. That at the same,

2337
01:58:09,600 --> 01:58:14,159
time we are looking at utilizing his cap. Hold, like

2338
01:58:14,520 --> 01:58:16,640
none of these things are moving in the right direction right.

2339
01:58:16,720 --> 01:58:20,159
Now we have communicated this to. Him he's rejected enough the.

2340
01:58:20,199 --> 01:58:22,680
Idea he wants his money right. Now now we have

2341
01:58:22,760 --> 01:58:25,479
to do what's best for. Us that, too is a

2342
01:58:25,560 --> 01:58:28,199
STANCE i can. Respect but then you also have to

2343
01:58:28,359 --> 01:58:32,319
realize by going this, route there's a risk. Involved you

2344
01:58:32,560 --> 01:58:36,680
might have alienated your starting. Center you might have like

2345
01:58:36,840 --> 01:58:40,760
he might be inclined going into the summer and, saying, hey, no,

2346
01:58:40,920 --> 01:58:44,079
no you know, What i'm not down with. This i'm

2347
01:58:44,119 --> 01:58:46,720
picking up the qualifying. Offer he might ask for a

2348
01:58:46,800 --> 01:58:49,079
trade before the trade, deadline like just to get out

2349
01:58:49,079 --> 01:58:52,600
of the. Situation and those are you, know those are

2350
01:58:52,640 --> 01:58:54,560
the gambles that you have to make in professional sports.

2351
01:58:54,640 --> 01:58:57,039
Occasionally if, that if that's what it comes down to,

2352
01:58:57,199 --> 01:59:00,359
again it just it furthers my point of having quality

2353
01:59:00,399 --> 01:59:03,920
communication with your. Players and here's hoping because we don't,

2354
01:59:04,000 --> 01:59:07,079
know we're just speaking out of our asses, Here but

2355
01:59:07,239 --> 01:59:10,239
like here's hoping that they actually went to him in

2356
01:59:10,279 --> 01:59:11,680
his camp and laid out their.

2357
01:59:11,760 --> 01:59:15,199
Speaker 1: Idea you have anything else or are we ready to

2358
01:59:15,239 --> 01:59:17,680
put a two hour bow? On we had a deep

2359
01:59:17,760 --> 01:59:20,359
dive on the free agency Stat we Did we did.

2360
01:59:20,520 --> 01:59:22,840
Speaker 2: It it was nice going two. Hours it's been a. While,

2361
01:59:23,079 --> 01:59:24,359
yeah it's been a.

2362
01:59:24,399 --> 01:59:27,119
Speaker 1: While this podcast took a while. More can you just

2363
01:59:27,119 --> 01:59:28,960
tell everyone where they can find you and all the

2364
01:59:29,000 --> 01:59:30,000
great work that you're.

2365
01:59:30,039 --> 01:59:32,840
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2366
01:59:32,920 --> 01:59:36,119
can find me over At. Forbes if you listen to,

2367
01:59:36,439 --> 01:59:38,880
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2368
01:59:38,960 --> 01:59:41,760
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2369
01:59:42,079 --> 01:59:45,960
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2370
01:59:47,199 --> 01:59:48,079
Big time over.

2371
01:59:48,159 --> 01:59:51,239
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2372
01:59:51,279 --> 01:59:53,600
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2373
01:59:53,680 --> 01:59:56,720
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2374
01:59:56,760 --> 01:59:59,119
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2375
01:59:59,239 --> 02:00:01,479
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