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Speaker 1: Hello and good morning. How are you.

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Speaker 2: Hello, Good morning, I'm good happy to be here.

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Speaker 3: Oh, here we go again with another wolf story. And

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you know me, I love me some wolf stories. I'm

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from Montana. I understand the wolf because I grew up

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around the Yellowstone National Park and you're putting focus on

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the Yellowstone Wolf.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm so excited about it. I had the most

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amazing opportunity to watch wolves with Rick McIntyre, who's he's

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like the Jane Goodall of wolves. Honestly, he's watched wolves

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more than any other person I think. And so I

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got a chance to get up very very early in

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the morning before sunrise and get out there in the

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Lamar Valley and watch wolves. And I got to see

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the oldest wolf mother they have ever had in Yellowstone.

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She's eleven years old, and she gave birth to three

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pups and I got to see her bring them out

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of the den for the first time. It was amazing. Oh,

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it was so cool.

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Speaker 3: I love the way that you're connected to the wolf,

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the way that you are, because through storytelling, then that

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helps us embrace the wolf itself because a lot of us,

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you know, we see the were wolf movies and we

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see the scary movies of the wolves, but yet you

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give us the opportunity to get to know the wolf,

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especially with a wolf called Wander and of course now

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a wolf called Fire.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, it's really been fun to dive into their

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world and their way of thinking. And you know, there's

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social animals like we are, and so we share a

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lot of the same emotional experiences and motivations that wolves do.

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I mean, if you in talking to Rick McIntyre about

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the wolves, honestly, I think you could write an opera

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based on the lives of those because wolves have relatively

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short lives, right the five to six years on average

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for a wolf, So there's a lot of churn and

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turnover in the leadership of their packs, and so there

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is a lot of drama there. I can tell you.

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Speaker 3: How did you locate this love for the wilderness? Because

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I live in a forest. I love every single animal,

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including the snakes that that bless my day every day

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to be here.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I've It's been my great fortune to spend most

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of my life in Oregon, and so so I love

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all the different ecosystems in my home state, and I've

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hiked and camped and skied and sailed and paddled around

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my state my whole life, and I feel so grateful

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for it, just to have that access to the wilderness.

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And I really, I really want young readers to feel

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a connection to the wilderness, you know. I mean human beings,

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we are hardwired to defend what we love, and so

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I want them to love the wilderness and feel some

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kinship with it, so that they'll get out there in it,

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you know, in their life and do the work of protecting.

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Speaker 3: I'm so glad you said that, because there's a big,

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gigantic promotion right now that's introducing listeners to radio to

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the forest. I mean, the whole entire commercial is about

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getting into the forest and writing your own story. And see,

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in a book like this, this is exactly why we

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need to get back into the forest, because there's so

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much that we're missing and it's not on the smartphone

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right exactly.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you really got to get up there, you know.

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Like when I was when I was out researching for

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this one, I was up in the Walaa mountains and

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walking around and like the feel of the forest floor. Yeah, seat,

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I like to take off my shoes sometimes and go,

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what does this really feel like because it's got centuries

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of needles and leaves falling on it, so it's spongy,

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and you know, you put your foot down on it

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and this little poof of dirt smell comes up, right,

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But then you just drop down into the zoom wall prairie,

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which is a bunch grass prairie, right, and it's pretty

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high elevation, it's like five thousand feet or so, but

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there it's clumps of grass tight together and then dirt

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that's much harder packed and kind of gritty, easier to

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see a track, but not nearly a souce, right, very

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different like feel different smells like I love to really

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dive into all of that and go, what is it

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really like? What if I lie down in the dirt,

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what will that be like? So, yeah, that's pretty cool.

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Speaker 1: That's so amazing.

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Speaker 3: It's almost like you've stepped into my daily writing, because

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I have a podcast that's called Forest Stories, and that's

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exactly what I talk about. The wild grass, the slow

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moving stream. I talk about how how tall the hill is,

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and who's coming here to visit and why are they here?

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And what are we all writers coming here to get

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a story? And I just feel like that if you

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sat in this forest, you would go I feel it

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there is something here.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, And even in my yard in the summertime,

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I work in a treehouse in my yard, and like,

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there are squirrels in my yard, and I could just

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see like random, like, oh, look, squirrels live here. But

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then when I'm up whatever, twelve fifteen feet up in

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a tree, I can see that there are regular paths

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that they tay, yes, and those are not obvious to

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me when I'm at the ground level, but just that

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little bit higher, I'm like, oh, look, here's a path,

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and I can see, you know, how they get from

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from tree to tree, defense to rooftop to thistle thing

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over there. And it's really fun to see. It's like

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an invisible highway from there the old time.

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Speaker 3: With your connection to the wolves, do you also have

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a passion for the coyote, because I mean, it seems

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like the coyote is getting a bad rap these days.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Coyotes, man, they survive like nobody else. They're I'm

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hard pressed to think, well maybe some birds, but they

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can survive in almost any environment. They can still vibe

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on the tundra, they can survive in the mountains on grasslands.

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They can survive in the desert, and they thrive quite

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well in an urban environment too, And that's remarkable that

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they're that flexible.

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Speaker 3: Who did the illustrating of your book? Because I mean

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the illustrations in this book, I mean this, These are

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works of art.

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Speaker 2: Oh, I know, I'm completely gobstacked myself. I can barely

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draw BAF so I'm I'm always like dazzled when I

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see good illustrating. Her name is Monica Armigno, and she

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is from Madrid, Spain, and she's just amazing, amazing to

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work with and just so brilliant and faithful to the

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actual animal. I always make sure when I'm communicating with her,

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we always put the common name and the scientific name

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of the animal, because, for example, in Europe, what we

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call a moose they call an elk what, So I

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know it's weird, So a little extra care in the

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clarity of communication is needed. But she's a brilliant artist

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and I couldn't be more grateful that she agreed to

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do another one of these.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, the book we're talking about is a wolf

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called Fire. I believe that humans adapt and and and

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basically and bring in the inner wolf as well, because

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I believe in the silent wolf theory. Do you get

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to get into that where it is great to be

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a silent wolf by just sitting here and watching, just

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patiently watch?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, and there It is interesting to watch any animal,

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even your own pat just watching what they're paying attention

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to and what they're seeing. Right, a wolf's visual system,

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it's not that they can't see color, it's that their

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brain doesn't care very much what color thing is. But

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they're much more keyed into movement. Right, So the tiniest

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little movement in the grass in their peripheral vision is

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captures their attention immediately, right, and is captivating to them

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in the way that a beautiful color or something is

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captivating to a human being. Right. So that's pretty cool.

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Speaker 3: Your Wolf series really truly is something that has been

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fun to really become a part of. And I realize

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this is for ya readers, but as an adult, I'm

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telling you, I really love what you do. What is

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your next project and what is that wolf going to

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be named?

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Speaker 2: Well, my next project, actually, I'm super excited I'm going

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to be writing about from the point of view of

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a raven.

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Speaker 1: Next what, Oh my god, wow.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know that fascinates me because I study animal

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totem totems, and the thing is is because I believe

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there's energy in all the in the animals. And crows

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and ravens are birds that I have studied like left

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and right, because they bring such amazing energy and they're

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very They want to keep the planet clean, is what

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they want to do.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, And and ravens are companions of wolves in

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the wild, right, They have that symbiotic thing going on

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that they they help each other. Wolves help open a

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carcass so that ravens can eat it more easily. Ravens

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help wolves find likely hunting opportunities. And they play with

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each other too. I mean that is also fun. You

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can see ravens coming in and like pulling the tails

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of wolves and you know wolf pups, you know, chasing

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after they'll see a group of crows on the ground

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and they'll be like, ah, something to pounce on, as

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if they ever could. But that's pretty that's pretty neat

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to see too, that that interspecies interaction. So yeah, yeah,

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and so and it's been a whole new challenge to

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think about the world in the dimensions of flying and

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so yeah, I'm super excited. We don't have a date

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or anything on that one yet because I'm still writing it,

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but yes, the Voice of the Wilderness books will continue,

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so I am super excited about that.

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Speaker 1: I love it. Where can people go to find out

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more about you?

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Speaker 2: I have a website, It's Roseanneperry dot com. Pretty basic,

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and I'm on Instagram also, just under my name, so

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pretty easy to find.

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Speaker 1: Well, you know, the door is always open.

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Speaker 3: You've got to come back and talk to me again

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in the future, especially when we start talking about Ravens exactly.

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Speaker 2: I would love to thank you.

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Speaker 1: Will you be brilliant today?

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Speaker 2: Okay, thank you so much. YouTube take it