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Speaker 4: This is the greatest spider that ever walked.
Speaker 7: Mota'm boxing kangaroo.
Speaker 5: I mean now the boy is strong. Huh he's an animal?
Speaker 2: To cut off the tale of a kangaroo and what happens.
Speaker 4: The championship fighters on and renal.
Speaker 2: Congratulations for the first time in my life, you made
Speaker 2: me a winner too.
Speaker 6: Thanks, and you'll thank Matilda for bringing out the winner
Speaker 6: in us all.
Speaker 2: He even has Debbie and Pat Boone singing out Matilda,
Speaker 2: what a knockout.
Speaker 4: Rat did gee?
Speaker 1: Welcome to the Projection Booth. I'm here st Mike White
Speaker 1: joined me once again. Is mister Colin Gallagher heck fuzzy.
Speaker 1: Also back in the booth is mister Mike Sullivan.
Speaker 5: Hey, hello, guys, it's a pre birthday thing. I had
Speaker 5: six chili dogs tonight, so I'm just gonna do my best.
Speaker 5: I'm just gonna hang in there for you.
Speaker 7: Just about.
Speaker 8: How many hot dogs do you eat a day?
Speaker 1: We continue Comedy Month with one from nineteen seventy eight,
Speaker 1: Daniel Mann's Matilda. The film stars Clive Ravel as Billy Baker,
Speaker 1: a former boxer who has somehow made friends with a
Speaker 1: boxing kangaroo, Matilda, played by Gary Morgan. They meet up
Speaker 1: with an unscrupulous promoter, Bernie Bonelli played by Elliott Gould.
Speaker 1: Also in the picture our Robert Mitcham as a sportswriter,
Speaker 1: Harry Guadino as a mobster, and Karen Carlson as a
Speaker 1: goodie goody from the ASPCA. We will be spoiling this
Speaker 1: film insofar as it can be spoiled, So if you
Speaker 1: don't want anything ruined, turn off the podcast, go out
Speaker 1: and find the new four K blu ray from the
Speaker 1: Criterion collection and come on back.
Speaker 4: We will still be here.
Speaker 1: So, Mike, when was the first time you saw Matilda
Speaker 1: and what did you think?
Speaker 5: Sir God. I saw it how to be like the
Speaker 5: Early Oughts, and I think it was in part. This
Speaker 5: was in the notes Paul Fright talks review of it,
Speaker 5: and that's where I found out about it. He want
Speaker 5: to as it his website. And it's one of those
Speaker 5: movies that you hear about and you're like, oh, okay,
Speaker 5: and then you watch it and you're like, ah no, no,
Speaker 5: you know, like it sounds. It's one of those one
Speaker 5: that sounds better to talk about than actually sit through,
Speaker 5: you know. But I guess we'll get into up more tonight,
Speaker 5: and Colin, how about yourself.
Speaker 7: I think I first heard about this when I was
Speaker 7: preparing a feature for a website I used to write
Speaker 7: for it called Not Coming to a Theater near You,
Speaker 7: So that would have been about fifteen years ago. The
Speaker 7: feature never made it to the website, but it was
Speaker 7: going to be focused on nineteen seventies sports films because
Speaker 7: there's some fantastic ones on Holy Rollers, Kansas City Bomber,
Speaker 7: Bad News Bears, and if you go into the early eighties,
Speaker 7: like All the Marbles. And then I saw Boxing Kangaroo
Speaker 7: movie with Elliott Coold and Robert Mitchum. What the hell
Speaker 7: is this thing, and I don't remember. When I finally
Speaker 7: tracked it down, I thought it was as weird and
Speaker 7: wild as the premise. Added, I really like this movie.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 7: It strikes me as something like you could only get
Speaker 7: away with in the seventies, but in a weird way,
Speaker 7: I think you could have actually got away with it
Speaker 7: in the thirties. Like there is something very old fashioned
Speaker 7: about it, and it's based off a novel by Paul Gallico,
Speaker 7: who had been a sportswriter, And there's this something about
Speaker 7: the story that I could picture Jimmy Cagney in the
Speaker 7: Elliott Gould role. You could put Edar g Robinson as
Speaker 7: the gangster.
Speaker 5: I think you're describing a better movie, better cast thing.
Speaker 5: I like Elliott Gould, but I feel like he's miscast,
Speaker 5: and that it's kind of like almost doing like a
Speaker 5: half parted Phil Silver's impression, you know, like in being
Speaker 5: like the fast talking con man. I I'm like, but
Speaker 5: I think Cagney could have pulled this off a lot
Speaker 5: better than Gould. You like the movie, so I don't
Speaker 5: know what your thoughts on like Gould's performance in the
Speaker 5: movie is.
Speaker 7: I just found it delightful. It's such a strange mashup
Speaker 7: of sports movie, gangster movie, family comedy. And then there's
Speaker 7: this like anthropomorphic relationship to this kangaroo that's a guy
Speaker 7: in a suit, And I actually love the fact that
Speaker 7: the suit does not look realistic. I don't think I
Speaker 7: would like the movie if it was more realistic. And
Speaker 7: I'm really glad there's not a real kangaroo because that
Speaker 7: would just be horrible.
Speaker 5: I agree with you, it shouldn't look real, but I
Speaker 5: think it should look less fake. I think maybe if
Speaker 5: the it wasn't a guy in a suit but a puppet,
Speaker 5: like a very elaborate like Jim Henson Studio's puppet. I
Speaker 5: think maybe then I could I could sort of like
Speaker 5: hold on to it a bit better, you know, get
Speaker 5: a better grip on it, enjoy it more.
Speaker 7: It's such a such a strange movie. I've you know,
Speaker 7: rewatched it a few more times, and every time it
Speaker 7: never settles into normalcy, and everyone is playing it's so
Speaker 7: straight and so sincere.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's very earnest. Yeah, And I.
Speaker 7: Think that's part of what I really like about it.
Speaker 7: You can't write it off as a you know, okay,
Speaker 7: it's just a bad movie. It's like they're trying really hard.
Speaker 7: I like Elliott Gould, like I just find everyone charming
Speaker 7: for the most part. There's some scenes that I don't
Speaker 7: quite like with him that don't you know. There's elements
Speaker 7: of the story when they try to have all these
Speaker 7: interpersonal dramas that don't quite work. But when it's everything
Speaker 7: with Matilda I think is really funny. I especially love
Speaker 7: all the goofy gangsters stuff when they're trying to like
Speaker 7: tick a hit out on them and it becomes a
Speaker 7: slapstick like when it's goofy, that's when it works best.
Speaker 5: You brought up a point that I was kind of
Speaker 5: surprised by with this movie. It's it's weirdly sprawling. There's
Speaker 5: like a lot of characters and like a lot of
Speaker 5: I don't even want to say, like drop dramatic threads.
Speaker 5: But there's things like Art Matrano as the cab driver.
Speaker 5: You have Ellie Gould's brother in law who incidentally, how
Speaker 5: old is Ellie Gould's sister that is brother in law
Speaker 5: is linel Standard. You have all these like that, you
Speaker 5: have like the the guys under Harry Harry Gardino, you
Speaker 5: have all the you have the Carlson, you have that.
Speaker 5: I guess it was cut the actors that work with that,
Speaker 5: with Neville on that show, that fake show, that's sort
Speaker 5: of that convoluted thing to make it seem like Matilda's
Speaker 5: a guy in a suit. You know, there's all these
Speaker 5: like it's almost like it's like at times there because
Speaker 5: this is way too this isn't true, Like it's almost
Speaker 5: like they're trying to do like an Altman movie all
Speaker 5: these characters. That's not the case. But there's a lot
Speaker 5: of like weird almost like drop dramatic threat with these
Speaker 5: like this sprawling cast.
Speaker 7: Have you seen the spine of the novel. It's it's
Speaker 7: not going to work on over the podcast, but it
Speaker 7: is over three hundred pages.
Speaker 5: I didn't realize it was that long.
Speaker 7: It's funny reading reviews at the time in newspapers. Some
Speaker 7: critics liked it, some hated it, but everyone agreed this
Speaker 7: thing is way too long. I found an interview around
Speaker 7: the same time with Paul Gallico that was in New
Speaker 7: York Magazine, and he's being like self deprecating, saying like, oh, look,
Speaker 7: I'm not a good novelist. I'm not literary. I just
Speaker 7: spin yarns. If I had been a cave man. I
Speaker 7: would just go from cave to cave, being like, let
Speaker 7: me tell your story and you can feed me. And
Speaker 7: the novel does sort of feel like it has a
Speaker 7: beginning and it has a twist ending and an in
Speaker 7: between is just how many more adventures can I come
Speaker 7: up with from Matilda?
Speaker 9: It is?
Speaker 7: It just goes on and on and it keeps veering
Speaker 7: and you get so much more about No.
Speaker 6: No.
Speaker 7: There's a whole side story about how he has a
Speaker 7: dual identity, and it talks about him being a Harvard graduate.
Speaker 7: So the stuff that you're hitting on, Mike, especially having
Speaker 7: read the book, the movie is really fragmented with all
Speaker 7: these other characters.
Speaker 1: But at the same time, isn't the ASPCA lady. Isn't
Speaker 1: she added for the movie, which adds a whole other
Speaker 1: subplot which really isn't necessary, doesn't feel very motivated, and
Speaker 1: she kind of changes on a dime when it comes
Speaker 1: to I hate this Elliot Gould character because he's exploiting
Speaker 1: this animal. Oh, I feel really bad because I got
Speaker 1: his TV show canceled, so now we can be romantic partners.
Speaker 1: That was odd. My history with this movie is and
Speaker 1: I probably have told this on the show before. If
Speaker 1: not here we go. As we're recording this, we are
Speaker 1: two days away from the fifteenth anniversary of the Projection Booth.
Speaker 1: So about fifteen years ago also, I started thinking about
Speaker 1: writing a book about Elliott Gould. And what I wanted
Speaker 1: to do was have a book that was Elliott Gould
Speaker 1: on one side, and you would flip it over and
Speaker 1: be Donald's Otherland on the other, because between those two guys,
Speaker 1: they made such a wide breadth of movies in the
Speaker 1: nineteen seventies, and I'm just talking about the nineteen seventies
Speaker 1: only and just the wild ride that these two guys had,
Speaker 1: you know, starting off the decade with Mash and this
Speaker 1: huge unexpected hit that they had, and then you know,
Speaker 1: coming back together again and like the Little Cameo and
Speaker 1: Little Murderers and then that horrible movie Spies that they
Speaker 1: were in, and they just they had these crazy highs
Speaker 1: and lows. And I mean you just look at Gould
Speaker 1: and just how high he was at times literally sometimes,
Speaker 1: and then how low he would get. I would consider
Speaker 1: this more one of his lows. But it's interesting because
Speaker 1: they're are like these family movies, and he's just all
Speaker 1: over the place when it comes to the like genre
Speaker 1: and stuff, like you look at something like this, you
Speaker 1: look at something like who or Roboman, which is like
Speaker 1: this kind of sci fi movie but not that sci fi,
Speaker 1: and it or like Capricorn One, which is also kind
Speaker 1: of sci fi but not quite sci fi. And he's
Speaker 1: just all over the place. And I'm just like fascinated
Speaker 1: by those ten years in the nineteen seventies and the
Speaker 1: trip that this guy took. So like, that's why you know,
Speaker 1: we've been all these years, you know, especially over the
Speaker 1: last few where I've really been trying to talk with
Speaker 1: Elliott Moore and trying to get some of these stories
Speaker 1: out of them because I still want to write this
Speaker 1: book eventually. And so as back in twenty twelve, I
Speaker 1: think it was, I started interviewing people. So you're gonna
Speaker 1: hear interviews, some posthumous interviews later on, from Albert Ruddy
Speaker 1: who's no longer with us, from the co screenwriter who's
Speaker 1: no longer with us, from Gary Moore again, who thankfully
Speaker 1: is with us, and from Elliott who is also with us,
Speaker 1: thank goodness. So I'm sitting on all this stuff. Let's
Speaker 1: help share it with the podcast, and maybe you know,
Speaker 1: I can eventually massage these conversations into something as well, because,
Speaker 1: like I said, he's all over the map when it
Speaker 1: comes to this. And like this movie, it's just such
Speaker 1: a strange thing, Like you know, it feels like a
Speaker 1: family movie. But then you've got the whole thing of
Speaker 1: the gangsters again more comedic gangsters, but I'm talking about
Speaker 1: cutting off this poor kangaroo's tail and trying to take
Speaker 1: all these hits out on them. It's just this weird
Speaker 1: blend of like mobster and comedy and then sports, and
Speaker 1: it just tries to tick all these boxes. And there's
Speaker 1: so many big question marks for me, even things like
Speaker 1: I mentioned in the opening, It's like, where the hell
Speaker 1: does Clive Ravelle know Matilda from? Do they ever talk
Speaker 1: about that in the movie? I'm hoping that they talk
Speaker 1: about it in the book.
Speaker 7: I don't remember much about it in the book, to
Speaker 7: be honest, and maybe it just in those three hundred
Speaker 7: something pages. There's just too much for me to retain
Speaker 7: for one reading. But there's a lot of dropped floth
Speaker 7: threads in the movie, like the whole no no thing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because I still kind of don't really and this
Speaker 1: is gonna sound bad for a movie that I'm talking
Speaker 1: about on my own show. But I don't understand the
Speaker 1: plot that much when it comes to like the whole
Speaker 1: Robert Mitcham character, because I was reading reviews and they're like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: the villain of the piece, Robert Mitcham, And I'm like, really,
Speaker 1: is he the villain of the piece because I thought
Speaker 1: he was just like a sports writer and somehow he's
Speaker 1: getting Gould and Revel to go along with his whole
Speaker 1: thing of like, yeah, keep trying to box these other people,
Speaker 1: and then I'm going to what blow the whistle on
Speaker 1: Uncle No No? And just how corrupt boxing is? Am
Speaker 1: I getting that right?
Speaker 5: I took it as like he was gonna out No
Speaker 5: No as like I don't know, well, that one makes
Speaker 5: sense either, like he was sort of like rigging the fights.
Speaker 5: But if he's rigging, I don't know.
Speaker 7: Yeah, it's he doesn't really know who Uncle No is.
Speaker 1: Oh really, Mitcham's not aware of No No.
Speaker 7: That's a good So that's something that's different in the
Speaker 7: movie in the book, And because in the book he's
Speaker 7: friendly with somebody unaware that he is Uncle No No.
Speaker 1: So Uncle no No isn't his Christian name.
Speaker 7: No that's that's his, like that's his like mafia name.
Speaker 1: Oh I thought for sure I'd look at his driver's license.
Speaker 1: Is say, you know, no, no comma uncle.
Speaker 7: But you know, it's like in the beginning of the
Speaker 7: movie he's talking about I want to do these matches
Speaker 7: so you know, we can get no no out. But
Speaker 7: then at the end they see each other at the
Speaker 7: boxing arena and they seem to know each.
Speaker 1: Other, and there's a whole thing of like the money's
Speaker 1: going to go to like the children's hospital or something too.
Speaker 1: Let's go back to Gould. Gould is like the wild
Speaker 1: card in this. It's like Revel we start, you know, well,
Speaker 1: first off, we start with Clive Revel greeting us and
Speaker 1: us going inside of his bar, which has a kangaroo
Speaker 1: on the outside, a big picture of Matilda on the inside,
Speaker 1: and he's talking to us and kind of setting us
Speaker 1: up with a framing device, which, thank goodness, actually come
Speaker 1: back to the frame later on in the movie, and
Speaker 1: he again he doesn't say where he picked this kangaroo up,
Speaker 1: because then we move into the story proper and the
Speaker 1: first thing we see is him and Matilda, and Matilda's
Speaker 1: just hopping down the street of New York City. We
Speaker 1: don't really know how they got there or anything. It
Speaker 1: just feels like they've been kind of dropped in the
Speaker 1: United States. And even though Revel I think he says
Speaker 1: that he's British, but he talks like an Irishman, and
Speaker 1: just with his look and everything, it feels like he's
Speaker 1: a leprechaun. I kept thinking that he was going to
Speaker 1: be a mystical creature. By the end of this movie.
Speaker 5: I was really repulsed by his performance because he supposed
Speaker 5: to be a former prize fighter, right, but he plays
Speaker 5: the character like he's nine years old, like you just
Speaker 5: walking around like he's like mister Goulda, Like he's like
Speaker 5: twisting his hat. It's like, I can't believe this guy
Speaker 5: ever fought.
Speaker 7: He seems like a dickensortion.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Very soon after, we get the introduction that we've got
Speaker 1: the cops coming picking up Matilda taking the poor kangaroo
Speaker 1: to jail and kangaroo jail, I guess or dog jail,
Speaker 1: and then Revel is like, oh, well, you know, I
Speaker 1: need to find some help, and somehow he wanders into
Speaker 1: this I guess. It's what like a booking agency, which
Speaker 1: is run by, like you said, Lionel Standard as Pinky,
Speaker 1: I believe, and then his brother in law, this loser
Speaker 1: guy Gould, who will lie and cheat and do anything
Speaker 1: that he can in order to book these acts so
Speaker 1: he can get his cut of the money, is what
Speaker 1: I'm thinking. And he just sees dollar signs, So it's
Speaker 1: a weird gool. Is not a good guy in most
Speaker 1: of this movie because he's just being motivated by I
Speaker 1: think just money and fame is what it feels like,
Speaker 1: like there's not a lot of charity towards this kangaroo
Speaker 1: and the kangaroo's friend slash owner. But eventually he learns
Speaker 1: the power of love.
Speaker 7: Who wouldn't want the power of love if you can
Speaker 7: get a big hug and kiss from this kangaroo.
Speaker 1: I can't even imagine how bad that outfit must have smelled.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, it definitely, it definitely smelled.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And what I read is they only had one outfit.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, it's not like they had many kangaroo costumes.
Speaker 1: And it costs thirty thousand dollars in nineteen seventy eight
Speaker 1: money to make this costume for Gary Morgan.
Speaker 7: Stan Winstein, Right, is that right?
Speaker 3: Hey?
Speaker 7: I think one of the interviews said that it was
Speaker 7: Stan Winston and I will let me confirm that.
Speaker 1: And I no more says that he got the job
Speaker 1: because he fit the suit. He was kind of like
Speaker 1: the Johnny Bravo of the time. I think there was
Speaker 1: supposed to be a boxer inside of the suit to
Speaker 1: give it more verisimilitude, but he was like, no, you
Speaker 1: don't put a boxer in a suit. You put a
Speaker 1: mime inside of the suit because you have to be
Speaker 1: over exaggerating in your movements and stuff. You can't just,
Speaker 1: you know, expect somebody to get into this suit and
Speaker 1: actually give a performance.
Speaker 5: What was the deal with because I know at the
Speaker 5: end of the movie, that's when the ears move and
Speaker 5: the eyelids move. Like my theory is is that was
Speaker 5: the first scene they shot and after that it broke,
Speaker 5: So that's why it doesn't move the rest of the movie.
Speaker 1: Because he talks about the servos and stuff. I think
Speaker 1: he said there's like they weighed like fourteen pounds this
Speaker 1: headpiece when they had all the servos in there, and
Speaker 1: I'm like yeah, I.
Speaker 4: Was like you.
Speaker 1: I was like, when does he move? I don't remember that?
Speaker 1: And I was like, yeah, I think right to the end,
Speaker 1: I see like the eyelashes move and stuff, But yeah,
Speaker 1: it is not one of the know. It's a far
Speaker 1: cry from Amy the Gorilla from Congo, that's for sure.
Speaker 1: Going back to the interviews and just the articles and stuff.
Speaker 1: The other thing that was, and I don't believe this.
Speaker 1: I don't believe that this is true. The thing that
Speaker 1: I kept seeing was, oh, the critics were mad at
Speaker 1: Albert Ruddy because when he was promoting the film, he
Speaker 1: kept talking about how Matilda was being portrayed by an
Speaker 1: actor and a real kangaroo named Wammo. And when they
Speaker 1: found out there wasn't a real kangaroo in the movie,
Speaker 1: and there is, there's the joey at the end, but
Speaker 1: when the main character, when Matilda, the teacher to Matilda,
Speaker 1: is not being played by a kangaroo, the writers are saying, oh,
Speaker 1: and that's when the critics turned against them. And I'm like,
Speaker 1: I don't think so, Like, like did they just like
Speaker 1: read all that stuff and the pres notes and they
Speaker 1: were expecting walking into this movie a real kangaroo and
Speaker 1: then they were so desperately disappointed that they that's what
Speaker 1: turned them against this film. It's like such a minor
Speaker 1: quibble to be I'm like, Noah, what are you gonna do?
Speaker 1: You can't train an animal to box? That's like trying
Speaker 1: to teach Roy Clark how to act. Actually, I take
Speaker 1: it back. Roy Clark's probably one of my favorite parts.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I think he's delightful. Heck, fuzzy yourself or something.
Speaker 5: I'm just like stun at the level of confidence they
Speaker 5: had in this movie after they made it. We're I'm
Speaker 5: always stunned at This had its international premiere at Radio
Speaker 5: City Music Hall.
Speaker 1: Oh Culin even found the program, which was amazing, great
Speaker 1: job Colin.
Speaker 7: It was on ebit it it has all the orchestral
Speaker 7: pieces that are accompanying it and like little stage productions.
Speaker 7: It was a real show.
Speaker 5: Did the roquettes come out? And like like what was
Speaker 5: the whole like situation with that with like how what
Speaker 5: was did they show the movie? Have it in mission?
Speaker 5: And then like have you know rockets come out and
Speaker 5: do other stuff?
Speaker 7: So it opens up with the Music Hall Grand Organ.
Speaker 7: Second part is Matilda. Three is something called cheffone produced
Speaker 7: and directed by John Henry Jackson with costumes by Frank Spencer.
Speaker 7: And then that looks like it has multiple parts, an overture,
Speaker 7: Romanian Rhapsody Number one, the Radio City Music Hall Symphony Orchestra,
Speaker 7: Lamier Mystique, and Underwater Fantasy with the Music Hall Ballet Ensemble,
Speaker 7: a German vocal piece I can't pronounce it, something called
Speaker 7: I Am Woman with Tina Fabric and Eunice Nukkerk, something
Speaker 7: called Girls, Girls, Girls, the Radio City Music Hall Rockettes,
Speaker 7: and then a finale a salute to the two oh
Speaker 7: two of the USA, performed by the entire company. It's
Speaker 7: the heck of a show.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess, so Holy Cow, I mean, I guess.
Speaker 7: You know, if already wanted to do this movie big
Speaker 7: and starting in a radio city, he went from broke.
Speaker 1: Well, then all the tie ins, like also Cullen found
Speaker 1: a promotional item that was a Matilda themed like.
Speaker 7: Advantage the McConnell line.
Speaker 1: Yes, that's great. And then I didn't know until rereading
Speaker 1: stuff that there was supposed to be a tie in
Speaker 1: between McDonald's and this movie. And it's so obvious when
Speaker 1: you see, like there's this big training montage or fighting montage,
Speaker 1: and then it's like they suddenly just stopped the whole
Speaker 1: movie and they're all around one tray of McDonald's.
Speaker 5: One of the few things I love about Matilda. There's
Speaker 5: two montages. There's two montages and they both end with
Speaker 5: the dinner of McDonald's, and the second one has like
Speaker 5: Ellie Gould eighty yard I showed it. I showed my
Speaker 5: wife this so much. I love this, just him going
Speaker 5: he deserves it. As they're like feeding the fake kangaroo
Speaker 5: like a big.
Speaker 1: Mac and the kangaroo just like goes and says, this
Speaker 1: is a really good product. We've tried this out in Portugal,
Speaker 1: my native Australia. I mean, some people were saying, what
Speaker 1: if the kangaroo talked? Would that have made this movie
Speaker 1: different slash better? I kept thinking what would happen if
Speaker 1: the kangaroo was imaginary? I kept thinking of Harvey, But
Speaker 1: I'm like that wouldn't work either.
Speaker 7: So I love the scene where it stored the end
Speaker 7: and Elliot Gould is just sort of having like, you know,
Speaker 7: this moment where he's just like talking in the dark
Speaker 7: to Matilda and it's like trying to like get to
Speaker 7: the character. Because there's a couple of those in the novel.
Speaker 7: There's another one with a dupe, and I think they
Speaker 7: compare him to Matilda to having like a mona Lisa smile.
Speaker 7: I just love all these people just like trying to
Speaker 7: philosophize and like get into Matilda's brain and you never
Speaker 7: get what Matilda thinks about anything.
Speaker 1: I imagined that the Australians must have found this hysterical
Speaker 1: because I from what I understand, they look at kangaroos
Speaker 1: as being big rats, you know, just a menace. And
Speaker 1: meanwhile everybody is writing about this movie, going, that's not
Speaker 1: a kangaroo costume, it's a rabbit costume.
Speaker 5: Well, I mean, have you ever seen just like you're
Speaker 5: like videos of kangaroo is just attacking, They're like they're terrifying.
Speaker 5: They're just terrifying. I mean there's that one video of
Speaker 5: that I don't know. A woman had like a house
Speaker 5: that was just made of like glass and it was like,
Speaker 5: I guess, like one sided glass and there's like a
Speaker 5: kangaroo just like staring intensely as reflection, just like flexing
Speaker 5: and grunting, and they're just scary. And that's what I
Speaker 5: wrote Matilda's One Man's Noble Journey to Murder People of
Speaker 5: the Kangaroo.
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, they are kind of frightening. Creatures and
Speaker 1: the way that they move and everything with their really
Speaker 1: more like on all fours a lot of the time too,
Speaker 1: and they'll just kind of move that way. But yeah,
Speaker 1: I've seen a lot. There's a little zoo by us
Speaker 1: that has a couple kangaroos, maybe a wallaby or two.
Speaker 1: But yeah, they're strange, strange looking animals, and this costume
Speaker 1: just I mean, it doesn't anthropomorphize it, but it definitely
Speaker 1: makes it a lot cuter than a real kangaroo would.
Speaker 4: Be, I think.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I don't mind the costume either. Sometimes the
Speaker 1: little like grunts and stuff that it does. Speaking of grunts,
Speaker 1: it's just kind of weird.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it.
Speaker 1: Reminded me of Gary the Snail from SpongeBob. So I
Speaker 1: guess the real thrust of the plot eventually becomes this
Speaker 1: whole idea of it helped me out here, fellas. It's
Speaker 1: that they're trying to get the kangaroo to box all
Speaker 1: these guys, and eventually it's at the behest of Duke
Speaker 1: the sports writer, the Robert Mitchum character, and that is
Speaker 1: seeing off the mob, pissing off uncle.
Speaker 4: No.
Speaker 7: No, well, it's because the first in the movie, the
Speaker 7: first about the actual you know, champion gets is drunk
Speaker 7: and goes into the ring and gets knocked out by Matilda.
Speaker 7: And then the article that Duke writes sort of humiliates
Speaker 7: Uncle No No, and he doesn't Uncle No No doesn't
Speaker 7: like to be humiliated in the press like that. But
Speaker 7: they hadn't been letting the fighter fight anybody to defend
Speaker 7: his title, and so they decided. Duke had this plan,
Speaker 7: send Matilda on a cross country road trip, you know,
Speaker 7: get a lot of publicity. I Meanwhile, he's going to
Speaker 7: try and come up with an event that's so big
Speaker 7: that No No can't afford to have his fighter not
Speaker 7: fight Matilda.
Speaker 1: And then he bets so much money and the Kangaroo
Speaker 1: has to take a dive. No, I'm just kidding. That's
Speaker 1: what I kept expecting to happen, was like there to
Speaker 1: be more intrigue around this fight and how the Kangaroo
Speaker 1: is either gonna win or not win, because there's this
Speaker 1: whole thing right towards the end of the movie where
Speaker 1: Clive Revelle, who really is kind of useless through a
Speaker 1: lot of this film, eventually says to Gould. He's like, oh,
Speaker 1: I'm so sorry. I should have told you this, but
Speaker 1: he says that in his little wee Irish accent, I
Speaker 1: should have told you this, but if you punch a kangaroo,
Speaker 1: it stops fighting and it never like fights again kind
Speaker 1: of thing. You're basically ruining this kangaroo if it gets punched.
Speaker 10: Is that?
Speaker 5: Is that true? Because I don't think that's true, Okay,
Speaker 5: because I for years I was telling people that as
Speaker 5: a fact, and only recently that I realized why am
Speaker 5: I treating this this like plot point for Matilda as
Speaker 5: a fact? Like, only recently I started doing that.
Speaker 1: I mean, I imagine they box each other, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: so if you get if a kangaroo gets hit, it's
Speaker 1: probably gonna keep boxing, probably the next season or something, right, Yeah.
Speaker 7: Yeah, the intrigue about the final fight, that's a much
Speaker 7: bigger point in the novel.
Speaker 1: Oh, I'm sure. I'm sure. It feels like it just
Speaker 1: kind of floats on by. It's funny as we're watching.
Speaker 1: As we're talking right now, I am actually watching Matilda
Speaker 1: on my computer screen, and whatever this print of it is.
Speaker 1: It's wild because it is boom City all over the place,
Speaker 1: and I'm watching Gould, you know, entering the office of
Speaker 1: Duke of Robert Mitchum's and you can see baby spots
Speaker 1: in the upper right hand corner of the I mean,
Speaker 1: it is so blatantly obvious that they have these. I'm
Speaker 1: sure it's just the transfer. I'm sure it wasn't matted correctly.
Speaker 1: So I'm so glad that Criterion finally put out that
Speaker 1: four K that we can do. I just wish they
Speaker 1: would have sent me a screener copy of it.
Speaker 7: I didn't notice that in mine it's Majestic Films, it's
Speaker 7: it's a Region two D.
Speaker 1: Well, I'm sure they handled it way better than whatever
Speaker 1: I'm watching, which is probably a hopy off of a
Speaker 1: VHS tape.
Speaker 7: Yeah, this was nicely, nicely framed, clean print, good audio.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a couple of moments in either this print
Speaker 1: or the one I might have a different one because
Speaker 1: this doesn't start with a video logo. And there were
Speaker 1: so many moments where I'm just like, God, this looks
Speaker 1: like shit. That's just like it's so dark and just
Speaker 1: the shadows are way too much, and I'm just like, yeah, this,
Speaker 1: I really wish I was watching a better copy of this,
Speaker 1: which when I said that out loud to my wife,
Speaker 1: she was just like why are you watching this again?
Speaker 1: I'm like, honey, I have to.
Speaker 7: So when you're talking about sort of this middle part
Speaker 7: of the movie, there were a couple of bits in
Speaker 7: the book. I thought y'all would find a music if
Speaker 7: I can spoil the novel.
Speaker 1: I'm ready for the novel to be spoiled.
Speaker 7: Anybody listening that wants to read the book, you know,
Speaker 7: skip ahead. In Matilda's travels around the country, Matilda becomes
Speaker 7: an icon for hippies, and they like gravel to see Matilda.
Speaker 7: They like hold protests. It's just like an icon for
Speaker 7: the hippie movement. When Matilda is fighting in oh I
Speaker 7: can't know if it's in New York, but it must
Speaker 7: be in New York. The mob decides to hire somebody
Speaker 7: to give Matilda the evil eye. And apparently they're known
Speaker 7: for going to boxing matches looking at a fighter giving
Speaker 7: the evil eye, and the fighter loses. And so Elliott
Speaker 7: Gould goes over to Jersey and finds one of his
Speaker 7: elementary school classmates who was known for spitting beaties out
Speaker 7: of his mouth. And so this guy is planted in
Speaker 7: the front row and right before he can give the
Speaker 7: evil eye, the guy starts spitting Beaties and trying to
Speaker 7: blind this guy.
Speaker 1: Oh Jesus Christ.
Speaker 5: Galico is first actual novel.
Speaker 7: No So, he was a big sports writer in the
Speaker 7: twenties and thirties and then he trance switched to fiction.
Speaker 7: I think at the very end of the thirties. He
Speaker 7: want to know Henry Prize, he wrote the novel that
Speaker 7: The Poseidon Adventure was based on. I haven't read any
Speaker 7: of his other work. He was a successful writer. He
Speaker 7: wrote a book about Lou Garrig I want to say
Speaker 7: that was made into a movie in the forties.
Speaker 1: And I think he passed away right before this movie
Speaker 1: came out, or like two years before.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he did.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I knew he had done something and I couldn't
Speaker 1: remember what it was. But yeah, it's definitely The Poseidon
Speaker 1: Adventure is what I was thinking of.
Speaker 7: And that makes sense though, Like I was trying to
Speaker 7: think about, you know whatever. We're on a podcast with
Speaker 7: Richard Hadham. He always talks about It's like, would somebody
Speaker 7: have gotten fired for green lighting this movie? And I'm like,
Speaker 7: I really want to know when al Ruddy got the rights,
Speaker 7: because I'm like, oh, if in seventy two the Poseidon
Speaker 7: Adventure made like one hundred million dollars.
Speaker 4: I get it.
Speaker 7: Somebody probably just like, let's license all the Paul Gallaco.
Speaker 1: Well, it feels like this was a really personal project
Speaker 1: to Ready too. I mean, one, he agreed to talk
Speaker 1: to me about it, but two he's listed as the
Speaker 1: co writer on here. It sounds like he was the
Speaker 1: the biggest and like he would write other things. And actually,
Speaker 1: from what I understand, he gets a story credit for
Speaker 1: the Longest Yard, So like when he was producing, he
Speaker 1: definitely like tried to put his hands on a lot
Speaker 1: of stuff. And yeah, he's the co writer of this,
Speaker 1: so you know, he's you know, or at least credited
Speaker 1: as that and out there doing all of the press
Speaker 1: and all these things, like you know, the whole thing
Speaker 1: I was talking about how like oh we already lied
Speaker 1: to us about the real kangaroo. All right, great, but
Speaker 1: like it's not that typical for the producer to be
Speaker 1: out you know, shaking hands and kissing babies. It's more
Speaker 1: the director of the star those kind of things.
Speaker 7: I think you can kind of feel it, like, even
Speaker 7: if you don't like the movie, as we were saying,
Speaker 7: it's done really sincerely and earnestly, like there's a heart
Speaker 7: to it, and I kind of feel like the performers.
Speaker 7: To me, no one seemed to be phoning it in,
Speaker 7: you know, everyone seemed to be trying their best to
Speaker 7: be likable and charming. I enjoy the goofy gangsters, said
Speaker 7: Lenny Montana, who had been in the Godfather, and it
Speaker 7: was a bit of a real life mobster, and he
Speaker 7: was a wrestler before that.
Speaker 1: I think, I think you're right. Yeah, well, I was
Speaker 1: doing some research on The Godfather recently, and yeah, that
Speaker 1: rings really true. I think I've even seen a picture
Speaker 1: of him in his singlet.
Speaker 7: I like Mitcham's performance in this. I think it's really
Speaker 7: I always crack up the first time that Elliott Gould
Speaker 7: comes to his office and Elliott Gould introduces himself and
Speaker 7: Mitcham doesn't even look up from his desk. He's like,
Speaker 7: I know who you are, that's why you're here. There's
Speaker 7: something kind of matter of fact and funny about that.
Speaker 5: I'm surprised Alex Rocco isn't in this movie. This really
Speaker 5: seems that like up Alex Rocco's alley. You know, he
Speaker 5: did a lot of like weird stuff like this in
Speaker 5: the nineties towards the end of his career, especially when
Speaker 5: we did I think he did like two movies based
Speaker 5: on Jay Ward cartoons. So to me, it's like he's
Speaker 5: it's conspicuous in his absence that Alex Rocco is not in.
Speaker 1: This well, especially because he had the Godfather connection too.
Speaker 5: Exactly. Yeah, it's kind of a coup for.
Speaker 1: Me that they get Mitcham in here. I know, you know,
Speaker 1: in this part of his career he wasn't pumping out
Speaker 1: stellar work or whatever. But yeah, I'd like him in here.
Speaker 7: Amsterdam Kill is terrific, which is getting a nice big
Speaker 7: blue maybe even four K disc sometime in the next
Speaker 7: few months.
Speaker 1: A lot of people were complaining, Oh, Mitcham just sleeps
Speaker 1: walks his way through this, and I'm like, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I think it's fine, absolutely fine. I mean, they don't
Speaker 1: give him much to work with, right, And have you
Speaker 1: ever seen Robert Mitcham be super excited? I did a
Speaker 1: bouncing off the wall. I have never seen that the
Speaker 1: man's middle name is Laconic.
Speaker 7: I kept thinking about the title of the biography about
Speaker 7: a baby I don't care, and then what's the other line?
Speaker 7: Someone asked him what he thought about his own performances,
Speaker 7: and he said they tade me to make him not
Speaker 7: to watch him.
Speaker 1: Do you guys think that Elliott Gould walking all those
Speaker 1: dogs in order to meet up with the ASPCA lady again?
Speaker 1: Is that a reference to Move? Do you think everybody
Speaker 1: here has seen Elliott Gould's film Move?
Speaker 7: I haven't, but I did listen to the episode.
Speaker 5: Maybe that was his like see an nex Wednesday. Like
Speaker 5: maybe maybe if we go back to all his movies,
Speaker 5: we've seen him like with a bunch of dogs.
Speaker 1: You know, we just never realized that. Yeah, you mentioned
Speaker 1: Art Matronto before. I always love seeing Art Matronto show
Speaker 1: up and stuff.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 5: You know what's crazy about Art Matrano. Right before his
Speaker 5: unfortunate accident, he went to Germany and he's starting a
Speaker 5: comedy as his character from police Academy. He's not named it.
Speaker 5: It's not like common I think it was like Ouser Mauser.
Speaker 5: They can't legally say it Sam. It's just they say, oh,
Speaker 5: he's been retired from the Academy in the movie, and
Speaker 5: he's basically playing like an unlicensed commed at Mauser. Yeah,
Speaker 5: I forget the name of the German movie. I had
Speaker 5: and I lost it.
Speaker 1: But yeah, you mean you had the Blu Ray, the
Speaker 1: four K of it, and then he lost that.
Speaker 5: I had the four K of the Criterion. Yeah, the
Speaker 5: Eclipse Edition of all the art but Toronto off license
Speaker 5: Police Academy ways, I mean.
Speaker 1: And the ending, from what I understand, is very different
Speaker 1: between book and movie, and it sounds like they had
Speaker 1: a lot of discussions about how they're going to end
Speaker 1: this thing.
Speaker 7: So in the movie, at the big you know, the
Speaker 7: final showdown, Matilda does get punched, and Matilda then doesn't
Speaker 7: curl themto a ball, but kind of, you know, retreat
Speaker 7: and looks like totally sad, and the other fighter is
Speaker 7: going in for more punches and Elliott Gould frows in
Speaker 7: the towel and then Uttilda hugs everybody, including the other fighter,
Speaker 7: and I love all the Matilda hugs in the movie.
Speaker 7: I don't know, this makes me feel warm and Fozzi,
Speaker 7: I like that. And so then there's the sort of
Speaker 7: epilogue you find out that No No bought Matilda and
Speaker 7: then he you know, sort of retired from the mob.
Speaker 7: Now he's in South America raising kangaroos. You know, the
Speaker 7: Fighter is now being managed by Elliott Gould. He married
Speaker 7: the one from the SPCA. And that is not the
Speaker 7: ending of the book at all, you know, sort of
Speaker 7: when you were talking about, you know, this idea about
Speaker 7: throwing the fights, that's the big reveal that all, along
Speaker 7: with the exception of the first and last fights, everything
Speaker 7: had been staged and the Duke character had been left
Speaker 7: out of that. You know, Matilda's trainer, you know Baker
Speaker 7: and Elliott Gould, they were in on it the entire time.
Speaker 7: They paid all of the other fighters to take a dive,
Speaker 7: and they sort of used Elliot Gould or his character
Speaker 7: in the novel, used this as a way to sort
Speaker 7: of sell Matilda to No No. Four million dollars against
Speaker 7: Baker's wishes. So there's a lot more sort of con
Speaker 7: artistry going on at the end. And then when Duke
Speaker 7: finds this out, he is like, wait, so I've spent
Speaker 7: this entire novel trying to like out a gangster to
Speaker 7: make boxing less corrupt, and now I've been part of
Speaker 7: this whole corrupt thing myself. And then there's also it's
Speaker 7: a little sad because Baker, you know, the Bermansey kid,
Speaker 7: he did not want to sell Matilda, but there was
Speaker 7: another co owner and they outvoted him. And when he
Speaker 7: tried to go to No Nos property to say goodbye
Speaker 7: to Matilda, Matilda like didn't want to see him. He
Speaker 7: was like mad at him. So it's it's a bit
Speaker 7: more of an emotional and dramatic roller coaster.
Speaker 1: We should note for the audience listening at home, who
Speaker 1: are just rabid Matilda heads. Matila is a boy is
Speaker 1: a male kangaroo, which lends itself to a few jokes
Speaker 1: throughout the movie and is also very difficult to remember
Speaker 1: when you're talking about a character named Matilda. And the
Speaker 1: reason I'm constantly calling these characters by their names, by
Speaker 1: the actors' names is just because it's very confusing when
Speaker 1: you have Gould playing Bernie Bonelli and Clive Ravel playing
Speaker 1: Billy Baker and even like freaking Roy Clark is while
Speaker 1: Bill Wildman. It's like, I don't need all the bees
Speaker 1: going on here. So I don't know why they were
Speaker 1: focused in on those for character names, but it makes
Speaker 1: it very confusing if you try to start calling these
Speaker 1: by you know, Billy and Bernie. And there was also
Speaker 1: it was a name change from the book too. If
Speaker 1: memory serves, the names work well on the page, they
Speaker 1: pop and they have character and the Matilda is called
Speaker 1: Matilda because of the song Waltzing Matilda, which I don't
Speaker 1: think they explain in the movie. No, though they do
Speaker 1: play waltson Matilda at the final match, I think right.
Speaker 1: And otherwise, the song the main song in the movie
Speaker 1: is this pretty bad song by Pat Boone and Debbie Boone.
Speaker 1: I don't think that there's ever been a soundtrack out
Speaker 1: for this. Otherwise you would hear that kind of off
Speaker 1: tuned Godfather song that they play whenever the mobsters are
Speaker 1: on screen.
Speaker 2: I remember when I asked the animal for his altogresh,
Speaker 2: you got just enough time to do what you gotta do.
Speaker 2: They we get the call we're gone, and the Dutch gabby.
Speaker 8: I've sposter. Don't so your stool, No no, no.
Speaker 4: No, no, no stool.
Speaker 2: I'm just checking why you always get upset about its.
Speaker 2: I love.
Speaker 4: God.
Speaker 7: I love the sort of goofy mob talk, you know
Speaker 7: when they just half go into Italian just randomly. And
Speaker 7: I really do enjoy all the attempted hits, like when uh,
Speaker 7: you know, Lenny's got the axe and then he like
Speaker 7: it's like part of like a ladder, it's on a
Speaker 7: car and then the hand the head flies off and
Speaker 7: hits somebody else that he hits the ground and it
Speaker 7: comes back and hits him in the head. You know,
Speaker 7: it's it's goofy slapstick. But maybe I'm a cheek date,
Speaker 7: but it made me laugh.
Speaker 5: Well, I liked I really like Harry Gardeno when like
Speaker 5: he's really like swinging for the fences in this like
Speaker 5: just like this, you know, exasperated intensity, just like him.
Speaker 5: Yuh Like again, I'm not really seeing this thing three times,
Speaker 5: so this is crazy for me, says I don't like
Speaker 5: this movie, but I like I like him in it.
Speaker 11: I just I like his performance in front of the
Speaker 11: the Last Supper the Last Supper that's right, the Last
Speaker 11: Supper mural. Yeah, I mean that's a pretty power move
Speaker 11: if you're going to like be like decorating your office.
Speaker 1: The scene though, that really left me queasy, was Roberta.
Speaker 1: Collins as this Kanye six who's this I guess she's
Speaker 1: Schoold's girlfriend in this movie and she just shows up
Speaker 1: very rarely. But when when Gardino busts the coke bottle
Speaker 1: and slashes her face with it, and he's like her,
Speaker 1: I like and turns to Gould says, I don't even
Speaker 1: like you. I mean that was that was really intense.
Speaker 1: No one gets the wong goodbye joke. Come on, guys.
Speaker 5: That went about my head.
Speaker 7: I'm just like this like a different cut of the movie.
Speaker 5: That's what I was thinking.
Speaker 7: I thought it was like, I kind of want to
Speaker 7: see this print. Yeah, Mike, I believe everything you say.
Speaker 7: So when you start talking, I'm like, did I miss
Speaker 7: this scene?
Speaker 4: Oh yeah?
Speaker 1: And then Arnold Schwarzenegger is there and they and googled
Speaker 1: makes some strip.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 7: I didn't get the I mean, he's her agent. There
Speaker 7: seems to be a little something, but like he doesn't
Speaker 7: really seem to be boyfriend material, and so I sort of, yeah,
Speaker 7: I didn't assume that there was much. I sort of
Speaker 7: to me, it was just like, Oh, he's buttering up
Speaker 7: because you know, he needs money in order to pay
Speaker 7: for this. I guess he's taking an advance on her
Speaker 7: salary so he can use that at the boxing match
Speaker 7: to lure people from the audience win five hundred bucks
Speaker 7: if you can stand, you know, ten rounds with Matilda.
Speaker 1: But then she's also there to butter up Doacrity with
Speaker 1: her feminine wiles. Right, Yes, Hey, that's how he lures
Speaker 1: the fighter to come into the ring.
Speaker 7: Yeah, so that's like planned in the book, it's all
Speaker 7: by accident, Like Matilda's out of town, the fighter is
Speaker 7: out of town using his real name, and then Duke
Speaker 7: happened to be traveling and like was like stranded in
Speaker 7: this town. So it was all coincidence that they were there,
Speaker 7: and he just happened to recognize the fighter even though
Speaker 7: he wasn't using his stage name.
Speaker 5: It kills me. This was based on a book, but
Speaker 5: not just a book that's extremely complicated and convoluted. It's
Speaker 5: so funny to me.
Speaker 7: Well, that's what I found interesting about that interview with him,
Speaker 7: where he was, you know, sort of just talking. It's
Speaker 7: just like I'm just spending yarns and just telling stories.
Speaker 7: And this really does just feel like you go into
Speaker 7: a bar in New York and some you know, old
Speaker 7: timer just sits down and just starts talking story after story,
Speaker 7: and it keeps rolling and rolling, and it's like, do
Speaker 7: you know where you're going with this? Because each of
Speaker 7: the you know, chapters like it's a good yarn, but
Speaker 7: I could see this going on for another one hundred pages.
Speaker 1: They do it all at Clive Ravel's bar because he's
Speaker 1: kind of that character. I guess he's the in control
Speaker 1: of the narrative really, even though he's like one of
Speaker 1: the most minor characters in the film. It's like Uncle
Speaker 1: No is bigger character than Billy.
Speaker 5: I'd say, I'd say Pinky's a bigger character than Billy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we didn't really tie that knot that Lionel Stander
Speaker 1: knows Uncle No and is there at all these mob
Speaker 1: meetings and so he eventually like gets gooled out of
Speaker 1: the office and all this. That's before Uncle No does
Speaker 1: the the whole thing about how many touch points a
Speaker 1: fighter has a human has versus a kangaroo, which is
Speaker 1: just like these guys cannot get any dumber.
Speaker 2: Here we have our chant Dockety observed he is a
Speaker 2: human being. He has two legs. Huh see the dots
Speaker 2: one two repeat one two. All right, now here we
Speaker 2: have our kangaroo. Now can you tell me the.
Speaker 5: Difference, Markanti?
Speaker 2: It's got a tail. But that's beautiful, Marchanti, that's beautiful, beautiful,
Speaker 2: all right, But not just a tail, not just the tail, Banaco,
Speaker 2: what else do you see?
Speaker 12: He just got a long tad?
Speaker 2: What else do you see huh.
Speaker 6: Oh got skinny lins.
Speaker 2: No, you're really it. He's got an extra dot. He's
Speaker 2: got three dots. This kangaroo has been fighting with three
Speaker 2: dots one two three, one two three while doc and
Speaker 2: he's only fighting with two dots one two, one two.
Speaker 2: That ain't fair.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna call a commission.
Speaker 2: And what are you gonna tell the commission about the
Speaker 2: extra debt?
Speaker 4: You stupid?
Speaker 7: A scene like that is where it really feels like
Speaker 7: this is like a movie of the week.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And that's the thing. The versions that I've seen,
Speaker 1: I haven't seen that nice DVD that you've got. The
Speaker 1: versions I've seen, it just has that look to it
Speaker 1: just looks cheap most of the time. And I know
Speaker 1: a lot of that comes from bad transfers, because I've
Speaker 1: seen a lot of movies that I grew up with
Speaker 1: and they just look cheap. And then you finally see
Speaker 1: a nice version, You're like, oh wow, this looks like
Speaker 1: a real movie now.
Speaker 7: I mean, I can I can send you this DVD
Speaker 7: and we can do another episode next year. Midfilda one
Speaker 7: year later.
Speaker 1: Matilda Reducks. I'm too busy working on my my next
Speaker 1: Megalopolis episode.
Speaker 5: I'm trying.
Speaker 7: I'm still trying to see that. It didn't stick around
Speaker 7: New York very long. And it occasionally shows up, but
Speaker 7: it'll be at like ten o'clock at night somewhere and
Speaker 7: it always sells out.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, well, and that's past my bedtime.
Speaker 4: I don't know about yours.
Speaker 7: Oh no, I mean this is this is actually about
Speaker 7: my bedtime right now.
Speaker 5: Does every screen of Megalopolos have that guy in the audience?
Speaker 5: Ask them the question, do they have to have that
Speaker 5: guy in the audience?
Speaker 1: No, In most prints that you see don't get you
Speaker 1: get the guy in the audience, but the audience.
Speaker 5: Is on the movie screen. Oh okay, okay, I was
Speaker 5: wondering how they work that out at every screening. Okay, yeah,
Speaker 5: it's a it's not really well integrated.
Speaker 7: I've seen the clip.
Speaker 5: It isn't.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I've.
Speaker 1: Seen the clip of this where they actually were using
Speaker 1: the Alexa technology to answer the questions and yeah, that's rough.
Speaker 1: Just how long it takes for Adam Driver to respond.
Speaker 1: All right, guys, let's go ahead and take a break,
Speaker 1: and we're going to come back with that whole slew
Speaker 1: of interviews I was talking about. First up, we will
Speaker 1: hear from producer Albert s Ready. After that, we'll hear
Speaker 1: from screenwriter Timothy Galfis, then Matilda himself, Gary Morgan, and
Speaker 1: finally Elliott Gould. And we'll be back with all of
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Speaker 1: All right, welcome to the interview portion of the show.
Speaker 1: First up, we are going to hear from a producer,
Speaker 1: Al Ruddy.
Speaker 3: I'm not sure how many questions you get about Matilda
Speaker 3: versus The Godfather or some of these other films that
Speaker 3: you've done. I'm sure you get a few more about that.
Speaker 9: I can only tell you this, Eli Gould as an
Speaker 9: actor and as a human being is truly outstanding in
Speaker 9: my in my all my relationship with Elie, both socially
Speaker 9: and professly has always been. I have enormous respect for
Speaker 9: Eliot Gold and I actually liked the guy a lot,
Speaker 9: and I can't say that for most people in this
Speaker 9: goddamn town. He moves ahead, always on a certain thing.
Speaker 9: There's no he won't set you out, there no real
Speaker 9: compromise in what he does. There's a purity and how
Speaker 9: he thinks about life and the people that mean something
Speaker 9: to him. He's an amazing, amazing man. And I'm sure
Speaker 9: that you'll find a lot of more interesting things to
Speaker 9: write about Eliot gouldan Matilda, I might put it to
Speaker 9: you this way. Matilda was a movie for one big reason,
Speaker 9: which I'm going to get into. It didn't work, and
Speaker 9: not often I could say that when I recount the
Speaker 9: movies that didn't work in my life, the highlight of
Speaker 9: the things that happened that were unattractive, the nicest thing
Speaker 9: all the disasters was having worked with Elliot Gould. He
Speaker 9: made it all worthwhile. That's how special he is to me. Yeah,
Speaker 9: he's amazing. What happened to Matilda's old Gallaga wrote a
Speaker 9: marvelous book called Matilda, the story of a hustler who
Speaker 9: finds the world's greatest botch in kangaroo and he gets
Speaker 9: his girlfriend to take the heavyweight champ of the world,
Speaker 9: who's infatuated with this girl, to the circus and Elias said,
Speaker 9: with Matilda blah blah blah, and they're gonna come and
Speaker 9: fight the kangaroo from an She gets the champ to
Speaker 9: go in, and the kangaroo knocks the champ down and
Speaker 9: becomes headline.
Speaker 4: Now Elliot Gould turns.
Speaker 9: Us into a huge media event where suddenly the whole
Speaker 9: world is saying, and this fucking kangaroo beat Muhammad Ali
Speaker 9: or whoever the champ was, and they boomed into the
Speaker 9: world heavyweight championship fight between Matilda and the chat. The
Speaker 9: script is great, everything's great, And now I have an
Speaker 9: animal trainer in New Jersey, world famous animal trainer's name
Speaker 9: I forget and probably dead by now finds me in
Speaker 9: the world's greatest boxing kangaroo. Honestly, God that all this
Speaker 9: is the Muhammad Ali of boxing kangaroos.
Speaker 4: This is brilliant.
Speaker 9: I said, oh great, I've gotting this thing ready. Now
Speaker 9: we're opening the movie with the fight in the arena
Speaker 9: with Jerry Quarry and the kangaroo, with two thousand extras
Speaker 9: it's our big right. Don't ask me what motivated me
Speaker 9: to tell my director Danny Man. You know, Danny, maybe
Speaker 9: put it check and see how the kangaroo is coming along,
Speaker 9: because it's going to be shooting in two weeks. Three
Speaker 9: weeks we called the annual Trainer Run.
Speaker 4: We drive, fly to New York, take a limb all
Speaker 4: out to Jersey to the Animal Kingdom.
Speaker 9: We pulled up this big company of giraffe looking. As
Speaker 9: we finally get inside, the guy meets us, takes in
Speaker 9: a compound with the walls and locks.
Speaker 4: We get locked in with him.
Speaker 9: And in the middle of this company, it's this huge
Speaker 9: crate like they shook grapefruits in it. In the middle
Speaker 9: of it is this oversized rabbit, which is a kangaroo.
Speaker 4: Huge.
Speaker 9: Hearts down right, and now he takes the red gloves
Speaker 9: and puts him on his cargar, tasts the canoos sits
Speaker 9: there and he puts these bread gloves that he puts
Speaker 9: red gloves on himself and he turns around the dandie
Speaker 9: and I said, now when I tell my gloves on
Speaker 9: his face like this, he'll send I'm start fighting.
Speaker 4: I said, okay.
Speaker 9: So he turns around the ganger is sitting there with
Speaker 9: the gloves on, and I've done the spects and would
Speaker 9: just sit Say looks at him with the gloves on.
Speaker 4: Is he just nervous because share hare? I said, oh yeah,
Speaker 4: yeah ha.
Speaker 9: Caywage just sits Sarah looks at him, he said, I say,
Speaker 9: he'll get over in a second. Which point, before he
Speaker 9: could turn around, the kangaroo is up and punches this
Speaker 9: guy through the bushes and one shot ship the guy
Speaker 9: went flying by, hitting him punk forty miles an hour.
Speaker 9: This thing was scary, but this said was six foot
Speaker 9: three and leveraging out his ten went wow and hit
Speaker 9: this guy right in the face. We ran out. We
Speaker 9: ran and slammed the door. So Holy Christ, fuck, he's
Speaker 9: going to kill us right. So now we're sitting there
Speaker 9: saying what do we do? I said, Danny, we can
Speaker 9: I use this kangaroo with two thousand people in cherry
Speaker 9: KOI The cagar will murder somebody.
Speaker 4: It's too dangerous. Can't control him.
Speaker 9: So I called up in front of my Stan Winston
Speaker 9: and I said, I got again. Wait, I get a
Speaker 9: kid in the kangaroo kangaroo suit.
Speaker 4: He said, the configuration's wrong.
Speaker 9: Guys have little little heads on a pair of white bodies.
Speaker 9: You can't get a guy in there. I said, I
Speaker 9: have to have a guy in a goddamn suit. Otherwise
Speaker 9: the movie's gonna be that someone's gonna get hurt. Grudgingly,
Speaker 9: it made me a kangaroo suit. There was so appalling.
Speaker 9: The pear shaped body was okay, but in order to
Speaker 9: get a guy head in there, I had a little
Speaker 9: kangaroo headed between the head and the and the body,
Speaker 9: we had another like the kangaroo had a goiter it
Speaker 9: with a fucking hairy net for my guy to get
Speaker 9: in and looking oh god, it was so.
Speaker 4: And a guy hopping around.
Speaker 9: In his kangaroo suit, and it was the most such
Speaker 9: a scene in the movie. This is before annamatronis got good.
Speaker 9: There's like almost a love scene with Elliott and the kangaroo.
Speaker 9: The gango is going into the box the champ of
Speaker 9: the world, and Elliott says the Matilda, I want to
Speaker 9: thank you for everything you made my life and you
Speaker 9: know I love you and all, and he could to
Speaker 9: the kangaroo one eye is not working.
Speaker 4: The ears. God, it was so fun. I want to
Speaker 4: kill myself.
Speaker 9: The great script and Elliagul was so fucking great. No kangaroo,
Speaker 9: he couldn't do nothing to play again, all right, But
Speaker 9: Elliott was a trooper man.
Speaker 4: He was just great. He never complained, he did his job.
Speaker 9: He could have been nicer everybody, and he certainly enhanced
Speaker 9: his reputation with everyone that worked on that movie, especially
Speaker 9: with me. I just I think he's an amazing man,
Speaker 9: I really do.
Speaker 3: I couldn't believe the cast that you had for this movie.
Speaker 3: Just amazing.
Speaker 4: I know, Robin, but we had a nice cat.
Speaker 3: Well.
Speaker 9: It's a great screenplay. It's a marvelous book. Is what
Speaker 9: happens in the in the book which happened in the
Speaker 9: Moon with no One, which the Eli Cool.
Speaker 4: Character doesn't realize because the kangaroo is that good.
Speaker 9: If you ever really hit a kangaroo box them, it
Speaker 9: won't fight anymore. So in the final Danty mar in
Speaker 9: the movie, Matilda has got the chair reelingly ready to
Speaker 9: fall down, and then it verrely turns around and as
Speaker 9: he's reaching from the ropes, smashing Matilda in the nose
Speaker 9: with his glove, and the carriage just stands it won't
Speaker 9: fight anymore looking at him, and.
Speaker 4: He's gonna go in and kill the kangaroo and Ellien throws.
Speaker 9: The towel in because he loves the kangaroo doesn't want
Speaker 9: to see him hurt. I was a sweet story. And
Speaker 9: then they have a gangship named Uncle.
Speaker 4: No, no, it was a riot. The fucking scriptless hysterical.
Speaker 4: It was hysterical.
Speaker 9: It was not only its fault. It wasn't the fault
Speaker 9: of the director, the producer, the script, the money. We unfortunately,
Speaker 9: and I guess if I had to do it all
Speaker 9: over again, maybe should have canceled the movie. I could not,
Speaker 9: in all good conscience let that animal into the rain.
Speaker 9: Weeks later in Reno would have gotten hurt. When I
Speaker 9: saw one shot what he did to the sky, we
Speaker 9: all ran like you could get out of the fucking play.
Speaker 9: Have you ever seen the kangaroo stand out? Pretty intimidated. Boy,
Speaker 9: They got the haunches on the back and they moved
Speaker 9: boom boom, Dann and I ran out. Holy god, I'm
Speaker 9: looking to get out alive. I couldn't countenance that at all,
Speaker 9: though the protecular life. I ruined the movie in the
Speaker 9: bizarre way.
Speaker 4: I laugh at it now. And when they run the movie,
Speaker 4: I leave town.
Speaker 9: I changed my name and then I had never, never complained,
Speaker 9: was always in there trying to do the best job
Speaker 9: because he was marvelous. But he didn't have anyone to
Speaker 9: play against. I've been walking down the street with the
Speaker 9: kangarool down Fifth Avenue and Kearnath and kangaroos are trying
Speaker 9: to hop with this phony tail.
Speaker 4: Oh god, it's just horrible. But into every life some
Speaker 4: rain must fall. This is happened to be a deluge
Speaker 4: on this one. Yeah.
Speaker 3: What was it like for Gary Morgan playing the kangaroo itself?
Speaker 4: Well, Gary is a terrific kid. He tried to do
Speaker 4: his best.
Speaker 9: If we were doing it today, you got ono suit
Speaker 9: with a computer, it wouldn't matter. We had a dray
Speaker 9: and we had a shoddy look in kangaroos suit. Gary
Speaker 9: tried to jump up and down with the tail not
Speaker 9: following the legs like it should. It was just the
Speaker 9: best that we could accomplish at the time. We had
Speaker 9: to make the movie. We're two three weeks away from production,
Speaker 9: so we made the movie. We all got paid. Luckily,
Speaker 9: the movie wasn't not expensive, so no one really got hurt.
Speaker 9: So the only thing it did is it introduced me
Speaker 9: to someone who might have enormous respect for Lee Goold
Speaker 9: and it's the one good thing that came out of
Speaker 9: the movie for me.
Speaker 3: What was it like being both the writer and the
Speaker 3: producer on the said, you've done that before.
Speaker 4: I worked as a writer.
Speaker 9: I mean I created Hogan Cerro's Walker, Texas range Rive.
Speaker 9: He always did some writing, but it was fairly easy
Speaker 9: because the Paul Gallico book had everything. It wasn't like
Speaker 9: The Godfather the way he had six hundred and fifty pages.
Speaker 9: Had to get one hundred and fifty pages out, You're
Speaker 9: going to have taken the novel and go right to
Speaker 9: the first page and say, okay, let's shoot this right here.
Speaker 9: So just a matter of transcribing the novel to a
Speaker 9: screenplay for him, that's all. It was not one original
Speaker 9: line of dialogue that Paul and Paula Galico didn't write.
Speaker 9: Tim was the guy I met in New York. It
Speaker 9: was a huge one of the most highly paid commercial
Speaker 9: cameraman in the business, worked for Joyce Lois, all the
Speaker 9: big guys, and he wanted to direct.
Speaker 4: Think it is a chance, give him a shot and
Speaker 4: working on a screenplay.
Speaker 9: And then we worked on the script and he was
Speaker 9: going to back us up, which he did with the
Speaker 9: B camera pigging up some extra footage for us.
Speaker 3: When you were making Million Dollar Baby, did you ever
Speaker 3: think about having her box the Kangaroo and that one too?
Speaker 9: I had an ever box of the Kangarooth. Actually, the
Speaker 9: only other movie I ever did about boxing was Million
Speaker 9: Dollar Baby, and that was came.
Speaker 4: Out of left field and the whole other area.
Speaker 9: The problem I had selling that movie that no one
Speaker 9: wanted to do a girl a movie, but a girl
Speaker 9: boxer who goes and watch those girl bosses.
Speaker 3: How was the movie received afterwards? It sounds like you
Speaker 3: don't have a whole lot of good memories of what
Speaker 3: it turned into. Who was the public pretty receptive to it?
Speaker 8: Or no?
Speaker 9: I titt you the effort we went. I suppose I
Speaker 9: titt You were opened a radio city musical. I staged
Speaker 9: boxing on Park Avenue at twelve thirty in the afternoon
Speaker 9: with a professional fighter, and gargar was soon. We worked
Speaker 9: our ass off to get the money back, which we did,
Speaker 9: but we well, let's be honest, we were sailing against
Speaker 9: the wind and not because of anything Elliott Gould did.
Speaker 9: Because Elliot Gould did Elliott Gould, which is what I
Speaker 9: wanted a guy with enormous who could play a really
Speaker 9: bright hustler, but we had an enormous heart and sweetness
Speaker 9: him and that's what I was looking for. And that's
Speaker 9: what Elliott has on it. He can throw down a
Speaker 9: whit better than most people try to work it. And
Speaker 9: that's the way Elliott is. There never been a person
Speaker 9: who was beating his Zellen drum around Hollywood.
Speaker 4: Believe in doing that.
Speaker 9: He's always just want to sell himself as just a
Speaker 9: working actor. So if he's not really booming the book,
Speaker 9: you have to Bestead. I've nothing to do with you
Speaker 9: or anxiety about the quality of the book. He does
Speaker 9: not exactly self effacing Elliot, but he's not. Everybody got
Speaker 9: to push himself, and I know guys who would be
Speaker 9: the same way. Many times I've been offered deals to
Speaker 9: do books the Godfather to Beny Element, I'm not interested
Speaker 9: and write in my life's story and I don't want
Speaker 9: to do it.
Speaker 4: So does he's not with you.
Speaker 9: It's not that he doesn't respect what you're doing, and
Speaker 9: I have hope that turns out for the best. This
Speaker 9: is a sad antipathy that people have about doing books
Speaker 9: about themselves or being involved in books.
Speaker 4: Good luck with the book.
Speaker 3: Thank you very much, sir. Thanks again for taking your
Speaker 3: time to talk to me today. I really appreciate it.
Speaker 4: I'm my pleasure.
Speaker 1: Up next, we have a very short and sweet interview
Speaker 1: with writer Timothy Gelfhis.
Speaker 3: I was wondering if you could tell me how you
Speaker 3: got involved in the project of Matilda.
Speaker 13: I happened to be a paramount at the time, with
Speaker 13: already working in his office writing and this project came
Speaker 13: up and he added it to me to do it,
Speaker 13: and that's how it started.
Speaker 3: Was it a fairly easy adaptation? Because I have yet
Speaker 3: to read the book. I just got a copy of
Speaker 3: it in the mail.
Speaker 10: I had a love from the author and telling me
Speaker 10: that he couldn't have written it better.
Speaker 3: Was there a lot of stuff that changed once it
Speaker 3: came from writing it to actually filming it.
Speaker 10: Nothing of any consequence.
Speaker 6: No.
Speaker 14: Sometimes when they're shooting they'll change a word or two
Speaker 14: or something, but that's common practice.
Speaker 3: You had been a director? Was this your first screenplay
Speaker 3: that you'd written or had you done other stuff?
Speaker 10: No, that wasn't my first.
Speaker 3: No, I'm a fan of your film Boguard or, as
Speaker 3: I know, a Blackfist. What had you written before Matilda.
Speaker 10: I really don't know, to be honest with you, it's
Speaker 10: been so long ago.
Speaker 3: Were you involved once the camera started rolling or were
Speaker 3: you pretty much off of it?
Speaker 10: I was pretty much off of it. I didn't want
Speaker 10: to get involved in it.
Speaker 3: What did you think of the film once you finally
Speaker 3: saw it?
Speaker 4: I thought it was fairly good.
Speaker 10: I know it was a big hit because I kept
Speaker 10: getting residual checks.
Speaker 4: It played big in Europe. That's what I go by.
Speaker 3: I taught to mister Ruddy the other day, and he
Speaker 3: was still complaining about the way that the kangaroo looked a.
Speaker 15: Little problem in that because you couldn't get an actual
Speaker 15: kangaroo to do it, so we had to send Australia
Speaker 15: as to get the ends of the outside of a kangaroo.
Speaker 3: What are you working on these days?
Speaker 10: No, I'm working on something called It Happened in Beverly
Speaker 10: Hills and it has to do a real love It's
Speaker 10: a real love story.
Speaker 14: And the title it Happened in Beverly Hills is those
Speaker 14: things don't happen in Beverly Hills.
Speaker 10: Love story is usually the last twenty four hours, I
Speaker 10: wish I had more.
Speaker 4: To tell you.
Speaker 3: Well, Hey, you know, it's always nice just to talk
Speaker 3: to folks. But yeah, I appreciate your time very much.
Speaker 4: No, I said, I'm glad to do what I can
Speaker 4: for you.
Speaker 3: Well, I appreciate that.
Speaker 1: I'm next, we're going to hear from Mattilda himself. Gary Morgan.
Speaker 3: How was it being a kangaroo for all those weeks
Speaker 3: of shooting?
Speaker 6: It was tough. It was a hard suit.
Speaker 4: I do suit work.
Speaker 6: I doubled the dog in Kujo, and I've got a
Speaker 6: bear suit. I've been bearers and I do animals a lot,
Speaker 6: and I have a dance, mime, acrobatic. Back when my
Speaker 6: parents had a circus act, I would like in Voidville.
Speaker 6: Which is interesting because.
Speaker 1: I know Elliott when he was.
Speaker 6: A kid singer dancer in New York.
Speaker 4: God.
Speaker 6: He took lessons and I referred to him as Broadway breaths,
Speaker 6: kids that are in Broadway shows. I was one of those,
Speaker 6: and so is Elliott.
Speaker 3: Did you guys know each other? Way back in the day.
Speaker 6: I had met him, but I didn't know him well.
Speaker 6: I knew people that he knew, and we both took
Speaker 6: lessons of the same guy. I was older than I
Speaker 6: am known when you're a kid that age gap is
Speaker 6: you don't run around together. But I knew him basically then,
Speaker 6: but I didn't really get to know him ntil Matilda,
Speaker 6: but I adore Ellie. It's an interesting guy because Elliott's
Speaker 6: got this he's like a real guys guy as far
Speaker 6: as sports and bedding and replays basketball and he's in
Speaker 6: that whole thing. But he's got this musical comedy background.
Speaker 6: He was a say Your dancer, which is a juxtaposition
Speaker 6: and as a spun man that that was like musical
Speaker 6: comedy is is also a juxtaposition. So elliotts he's got
Speaker 6: that whole thing. So much went in about it already
Speaker 6: during that whole time when she was the Toaster Broadway,
Speaker 6: when they were doing what was it? No, I can
Speaker 6: get a few hole fill well. Elliott talks. He talks
Speaker 6: real slow. He wants to make sure that he's understood,
Speaker 6: and he he stops and thinks about his what he's
Speaker 6: going to say.
Speaker 4: You know what I mean.
Speaker 6: He's very very careful, Like if you have conversations with Elliott,
Speaker 6: stop and really all over his words just to make
Speaker 6: sure he's expressing himself the way he wan. But Elliott
Speaker 6: is such a sweet eye and he cares about people.
Speaker 6: He takes care of people. And interesting because my wife
Speaker 6: was pregnant when we did Matilda and he had a
Speaker 6: daughter named Molly. He's got two kids, Molly and Sam,
Speaker 6: and I just love the name Molly that I decided
Speaker 6: to name my daughter Molly after working with Elliott, and yeah,
Speaker 6: Sissy was pregnant. Through that whole production. We had great
Speaker 6: times hanging out, especially like we're doing in Reno. Jerry
Speaker 6: Quarry was supposed to be at our movie and one
Speaker 6: of the first kind of time that I was hanging out,
Speaker 6: They'll go. We all watching the Jerry Quarry fight because
Speaker 6: Jerry was had a heavyweight shot or something, and right
Speaker 6: after that fight he was so, it's come and do
Speaker 6: our movie. I remember all of us watching that fight
Speaker 6: and Jerry Koy just got a shit kicked out of him.
Speaker 6: It was a horrible fight. It was really it was
Speaker 6: hard to watch. The last minute he landed a lucky
Speaker 6: punch and knocked the guy out and then decided instead
Speaker 6: of coming to do our movie, he said, oh no,
Speaker 6: I've got a title shot. I'm gonna I've got my
Speaker 6: career's got a comeback. We're all going, Oh my god,
Speaker 6: Jerry grabbed this that he's offering you a part in
Speaker 6: the movie. Changed careers, it's over. But he didn't do
Speaker 6: the movie the last minute. He decided not to do
Speaker 6: it to play the heavyweight. But I remember hanging out
Speaker 6: with Elliott watching that prize fight, and Elliott bet on
Speaker 6: everything back then and was very big right then. Elliott
Speaker 6: was was beat on everything, dead on fights, basketball, anything.
Speaker 6: You always have money on, whatever the game it was.
Speaker 6: But we really hung out during the promo tour after
Speaker 6: the movie. To promote the film, I went on the
Speaker 6: road with Elliott in the kangaroo suit. We did all
Speaker 6: these interviews, and I remember then he had some kind
Speaker 6: of pet charity wheat We're in Tennessee. We got on
Speaker 6: a helicopter and flew into the mountains. It's some boxing
Speaker 6: camp that I think Sugar Ray Leonard was involved in,
Speaker 6: and it was for underprivileged kids or something. Ellie says,
Speaker 6: a good guy. He's got a big cart. He'll if
Speaker 6: somebody's in trouble, Elliott will, we'll give him money and
Speaker 6: and try to help him out. He's just one of
Speaker 6: those you know what I'm saying quietly too, people don't
Speaker 6: even know about. And he said say. It was such
Speaker 6: a family man too, with his kids and Jenny at
Speaker 6: the time married to Jenny, whose father was a big
Speaker 6: director named Paul Bogart. At that time, Susi was pregnant.
Speaker 6: We did the movie and that she just had the baby.
Speaker 6: Were we doing this promote tour and Susie came with
Speaker 6: me and I remember we had to get and Elliott
Speaker 6: just he loves kids, he loves the baby. And the
Speaker 6: publicist was all concerned that Elliot didn't want to have
Speaker 6: a baby around because he's a big star, but that
Speaker 6: Elliott is this family guy. He just loved it. He
Speaker 6: was I remember written in his Sweet New York. I
Speaker 6: had to put my baby for a nap. She was
Speaker 6: like a couple of geez. I don't think she was
Speaker 6: two months old. Put her in Elliott's bed to go
Speaker 6: to sleep. You know what I Mean's all of you,
Speaker 6: but the kid in my room. It's let me see.
Speaker 6: What else did we do, Elliott I did. We got
Speaker 6: in a helicopter, did that, and we did all these
Speaker 6: talk shows we were in New York, went and did
Speaker 6: the Mike Douglas Show in Philadelphia, and I was in
Speaker 6: the Bangarusa the whole time.
Speaker 3: You must have hated that suit after a while.
Speaker 6: Oh man, that so it was heart you couldn't breathe.
Speaker 6: A couple of times I passed out while we were
Speaker 6: shooting these big boxing scenes and I was fighting heavy
Speaker 6: with them and one guy just knocked me out.
Speaker 3: You were in the Devil MX Deblin too, right.
Speaker 6: Yes, I was, but I didn't have a big part
Speaker 6: with Elliott. I was in it and I but I
Speaker 6: don't think I even had any scenes with Elliott. We
Speaker 6: became really close friends on Matilda and and stayed friend
Speaker 6: in a way. He's working out. I'll visit him on
Speaker 6: shows and we both have a common friend, Martin Sheen.
Speaker 6: Martin's like my older brother. I know, since I'm twelve
Speaker 6: in Elliott Martin or pals Elliott's he's KOOKI too. I'm
Speaker 6: like an old hippie and so's Elliott. We come from
Speaker 6: that whole sixthies thing. I remember we were doing Matilda too.
Speaker 6: We did a promo at Club fifty four, Studio fifty four.
Speaker 6: I was in the kangaroo suit and O. J. Simpson
Speaker 6: was because Elliott and OJ were pals.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, they were in Kepricorn one together.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I remember sitting with Elliott and O. J.
Speaker 6: Simpson in Studio fifty four doing this promo for Matilda.
Speaker 6: I was in a fucking kangaroo suit.
Speaker 3: I noticed the eyes on the suit. Did you have
Speaker 3: a lot of control over that or did they shoot
Speaker 3: that separately or.
Speaker 6: I was looking through a little patch of fur like
Speaker 6: in the nose of the kangaroo, And when it was lit,
Speaker 6: I couldn't see at all. If the other character was lit,
Speaker 6: if the lights were in back of me, I could
Speaker 6: make at images, but when I was lit, it was
Speaker 6: pretty blind.
Speaker 4: Belly.
Speaker 6: You look like, directly put your nose down where you
Speaker 6: know where to look at stuff. Because it was challenging
Speaker 6: and it was old fashioned mechanics and they had now
Speaker 6: they used light. They call them servos that make things work.
Speaker 6: But this was nineteen seventy eight, so the head was
Speaker 6: really heavy, the mechanics in it to make the eyes
Speaker 6: blink and the ears twitch and the nosework. But I
Speaker 6: think a big problem with it was the al Roddy
Speaker 6: was saying that they used a real kangaroo, and he
Speaker 6: was saying, oh, we used a guy in his suit
Speaker 6: just in some of the more difficult boxing scenes. But
Speaker 6: it was a real kangaroo, and they told the name
Speaker 6: of the kangaroo, and he was telling the press it
Speaker 6: was all the kangaroo. Obviously they never used the kangaroo
Speaker 6: once in the whole movie. It's me in the press.
Speaker 4: What who are you kidding?
Speaker 6: That's a guy in a suit, and you can't lie
Speaker 6: to the press. So we got terrible If you the
Speaker 6: script was brilliant. It was a poll ga from the
Speaker 6: Pole Gallico novel and it was such a great script
Speaker 6: that I know, why, Elly, you probably want to do it.
Speaker 6: I read the script, they went, oh, this is charming.
Speaker 6: It was like a yarn, like an old fashioned yarn.
Speaker 6: What I thought they should have done. Of course I
Speaker 6: was shot there and I said, you should have the
Speaker 6: kangaroo talked to the guy like Francis the talking mule,
Speaker 6: like when they're alone, you know, the guy that owns them,
Speaker 6: and then when anybody else is right and he doesn't
Speaker 6: talk anything. It's a real kangaroo, just so that you
Speaker 6: could let the audience in on the secret, you know
Speaker 6: what I'm saying. But they didn't, and it got It
Speaker 6: was just it got terrible reviews, and I don't think
Speaker 6: it made very much money.
Speaker 5: It was a charm.
Speaker 6: It was a charming story. For whatever reason, it just
Speaker 6: it didn't work. And he put just as much work
Speaker 6: into a movie that doesn't work is one that does.
Speaker 6: We all put our heart and soul in that movie.
Speaker 3: I'm sure you think, going into nearly everything, this is
Speaker 3: going to be great, or at least you wanted to be.
Speaker 6: Yeah, And it was after Star Wars. I thought I
Speaker 6: was going to be like the new R two D two,
Speaker 6: the guy in the kagaroussu But this Preatont memory was
Speaker 6: Elliot because he Elliott is just such a kind, generous
Speaker 6: person and actor when you're working with him.
Speaker 3: Wait, I couldn't believe the cast in that in addition
Speaker 3: to yourself and Elliott, just Lionel Stander and Bobert Mitchell
Speaker 3: for God's sake. Yeah, I know.
Speaker 6: And it's funny because somebody interviewed me about Robert Mitcham
Speaker 6: for his book. We did promo stuff for that too,
Speaker 6: and I ended up like a couple of pages in
Speaker 6: his book. Somebody said, you're a Robert Mitchum's biography when
Speaker 6: you're a kidding and it was like, I'm talking to you,
Speaker 6: so I don't even remember what it was for it
Speaker 6: wasn't about his book. It was about Matilda and it
Speaker 6: ended up in the Mitcham's book.
Speaker 3: And I was really happy to see Roy Clark in
Speaker 3: there too.
Speaker 6: Yep, Roy Clark, Lionel Standard was finny. Got to hang
Speaker 6: out with him. And there's guy named Clive Revel that
Speaker 6: was in the movie that was the owner of the Kangaroo,
Speaker 6: a British actor. Cool guy. It was one of those
Speaker 6: things too, because it was his story. He was telling
Speaker 6: the story like looking right at the camera. It was
Speaker 6: this yarn that Clive Revel was like the storyteller.
Speaker 3: He's still around too, He's doing a lot of voice
Speaker 3: work these days.
Speaker 6: God, I haven't I get a Christmas card from her
Speaker 6: every year. We still trade Christmas cards. But I haven't
Speaker 6: spoken to him. We did a show years after that
Speaker 6: called a TV special Pinocchio with Sandy Duncan and Danny
Speaker 6: Kay and I was lamp Wick the bad kid in
Speaker 6: it and Clive Revel was the coachman that anyway, we
Speaker 6: got to hang out afterwards, but Elliot and I are
Speaker 6: still friends. I think it was that kind of that
Speaker 6: whole hippie thing that we both could relate to of
Speaker 6: the sixties. That was such an amazing time that you know,
Speaker 6: both of us lived through. You know what I mean,
Speaker 6: it's a certain old hippies. It's going through that new
Speaker 6: kind of shapes who you are later on.
Speaker 3: Had you been doing stunts before mental there, I was a.
Speaker 6: Kid actor like I was the original Ritchie in the
Speaker 6: Dick Dan Dyke pilot in nineteen fifty nine. Then I
Speaker 6: came to California as a as an actor, but I
Speaker 6: also work as a I worked a lot as a dancer,
Speaker 6: an acrobatic dancer, because I was a tumbler, things like
Speaker 6: Academy Award shows and TV specials, and so I kind
Speaker 6: of seig when I was an actor. When I stopped
Speaker 6: looking like a teenager, and I still didn't look like
Speaker 6: an adult. I'm little, I'm like five five, and I
Speaker 6: was married and I had two kids, So I seged
Speaker 6: more into stunts when I didn't Matilda too, I was.
Speaker 6: I was doing stunts, but only if it was like
Speaker 6: an action role like I did. Right before that. I
Speaker 6: did Pete's Dragon for Disney, played Shelley Winter's son, and
Speaker 6: they used me because I did all my own stuff
Speaker 6: so I would get like action rolls.
Speaker 2: So I do.
Speaker 6: I did a lot of stunts before Matilda, But then
Speaker 6: after Matilda, I seged more into just like the really
Speaker 6: the stunt apartment where I was doubling people and the
Speaker 6: stunt coordinating. But now that I'm over sixty, I'm segging
Speaker 6: back into acting because I'm tired of hitting the ground.
Speaker 6: Oh man, you don't recover you even dream Matilda on man,
Speaker 6: I would get knocked out by these heavyweights by accident.
Speaker 6: And I remember hopping hopping on a wish like down
Speaker 6: the streets of New York on a loosh.
Speaker 3: Got the must have been exhausting.
Speaker 6: It was exhausting, and it was a It was a
Speaker 6: tough job, just physically.
Speaker 3: Did they have more than one suit? Did you have
Speaker 3: to wear the one with the motors and stuff when
Speaker 3: you were doing the hopping stuff, or.
Speaker 6: Yet one suit nearly had what it was heavy and
Speaker 6: you had to hand over and I would hop for
Speaker 6: like a city block. But to the end, and sometimes
Speaker 6: you're like, you do these fight scenes and then you
Speaker 6: go as long as you can, because it took a
Speaker 6: while to get to get the head on and sealed
Speaker 6: in and brushed, couldn't see the seams, And I remember
Speaker 6: a companys go as long as you can, and then
Speaker 6: you make the silence getting me out in his head.
Speaker 6: And by the time they got it out, I had
Speaker 6: no air and I would be like passed out.
Speaker 3: And you must have been sweating up a storm too,
Speaker 3: because that did not look like a light.
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, but let's do that. And at first they
Speaker 6: were gonna use their real kangaroo, and I took the job.
Speaker 6: They said, you're just gonna do just certain scenes, just
Speaker 6: like some of the fightings. But it ended up the
Speaker 6: suit didn't look anything like the real kangaroo, so they
Speaker 6: had to go with one or the other, and they
Speaker 6: just went with the suit. Kangaroos are dumb. Kangaroos are
Speaker 6: like rabbits, and they could have done it, but they
Speaker 6: would have had to shoot like a zillion feet of
Speaker 6: film and just a little takes. But it just proved
Speaker 6: just not the way they wanted to shoot it. So
Speaker 6: it was all me in the suit.
Speaker 3: When I talked to mister Ruddy the other day, he
Speaker 3: was saying that they went out some kangaroo farm and
Speaker 3: the king garo just knocked a guy like forty feet
Speaker 3: without any effort whatsoever, and they're like, yeah, we can't
Speaker 3: have this. Somebody's gonna get hurt.
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, the kagaros would rock back and just kick you.
Speaker 6: You know how I got into it is they actually
Speaker 6: had a boxer that was going to do the movie
Speaker 6: this Featherweight, And it's interesting is how I got it.
Speaker 6: I was doing another show, was a big TV special
Speaker 6: called The Brother's Grim about fairy tales, and I was
Speaker 6: playing the dog in the Bremertown Musicians. Okay, and where
Speaker 6: I'm a sound stage and the next on the same
Speaker 6: sound stage, they had a boxing ring setup and they
Speaker 6: had a punching bag of speedback set up. So I
Speaker 6: went over started punching his speed bag, just fulling oid.
Speaker 6: I was not on that the production. I was on
Speaker 6: the feeder production, and the stunt coordinator when I knew,
Speaker 6: comes to every and goes, Gary, how tall are you?
Speaker 9: I told him, he says, and how much?
Speaker 6: She Wait what he said? We're in trouble. The guy
Speaker 6: that was they made this suit for just backed out
Speaker 6: because he's afraid of getting hurt. Because there's a thing
Speaker 6: called an air ram where you stand in it throws
Speaker 6: you like a box that you stand on and it
Speaker 6: throws you across the room for the kangaro to hop
Speaker 6: like got this guy who was a professional fighter, and
Speaker 6: he was afraid he was going to get hurt, so
Speaker 6: he backed out at the last minute. And he wasn't
Speaker 6: an actor. He was at the boxer, so he didn't
Speaker 6: do any He would stand in like the fighting pos
Speaker 6: but he couldn't make the suit come alive. And if
Speaker 6: anybody didn't know suits, it's just a piece of fur.
Speaker 6: The guy in the suit can't make it come alive,
Speaker 6: You're in trouble because it just looks like it just
Speaker 6: doesn't work. They were really down to the last minute
Speaker 6: and they couldn't find anybody else that would fit in
Speaker 6: this suit. So the stud quadier goes, you got to
Speaker 6: come tomorrow and try this suit on. And I did,
Speaker 6: and the director was here, Danny Mann, and I put
Speaker 6: the suit on, and I do this kind of stuff
Speaker 6: because I've got a dancer of mine background. So I
Speaker 6: put the suit on and it worked, you know what
Speaker 6: I mean. They were like all I said, it went great,
Speaker 6: you got the job. I was on another picture for
Speaker 6: Disney at the time called North Avenue or Regulars, and
Speaker 6: it was about In that movie there was a walk
Speaker 6: group Shorty in the Shortcake, and I was Shorty and
Speaker 6: the end of that movie. In the beginning of Matilda
Speaker 6: had about a maybe ten days or two week overlap,
Speaker 6: but one was filming in LA and one was filming
Speaker 6: in New York. So for those couple of weeks, already
Speaker 6: made a deal with the producer of North Avenue Regulars
Speaker 6: so they could both use me. And what I would
Speaker 6: do is I would work in LA for North Avenue Regulars,
Speaker 6: get on the Red Eye, fly to New York, do
Speaker 6: a day on Matilda, fly back to LA that night.
Speaker 6: Work for it was about two weeks where I was
Speaker 6: doing both pictures at the same time, literally flying catching
Speaker 6: the red I working one day one, one day on
Speaker 6: the other.
Speaker 4: And it was crazy.
Speaker 6: You'd wake up on the plane and not remembering what
Speaker 6: city you were in, you know what I mean. They
Speaker 6: worked that because it was too late to redo the suit.
Speaker 6: So that's how that worked out. When it opened a
Speaker 6: Radio City music Hall, the movie just not the great reviews.
Speaker 6: And it's funny because they the reviews weren't like it
Speaker 6: was a bad movie. The reviews were all like, this
Speaker 6: is a guy in a kangaroo suit. Anybody could tell
Speaker 6: the guy in a kangaroo suit because because Roddy said
Speaker 6: it was a real kangaroot. Who the fuck are you kidding?
Speaker 6: This is not a real kangaroo because the movie still
Speaker 6: tried me. When you look at the movie, it was
Speaker 6: a sweet movie, no great shakes, but I made a
Speaker 6: great friendship with Elliott through that movie. I was really
Speaker 6: grateful for that movie because we're still tals to this day.
Speaker 3: How was it acting against him? When you were in
Speaker 3: the suit, You got to figure.
Speaker 6: What kind of animal are you gonna play? So I
Speaker 6: was like decide, I was going to play a dog,
Speaker 6: like like like a friendly German shepherd and do that
Speaker 6: kind of stuff. And Elliott was great. He would go,
Speaker 6: and it works when you cock your head this way
Speaker 6: or when you keep moving. He would like, give me like, look,
Speaker 6: and it works better for me when if you do
Speaker 6: this or do that for the scene, and I would,
Speaker 6: because you're inside a damn suit. You don't know what
Speaker 6: you're looking like. I wasn't watching laid backs and stuff,
Speaker 6: and I didn't get to go to dailies, so like
Speaker 6: Elliott would, he said, this helps me if you do this,
Speaker 6: or helps me if you do that. Well, And it
Speaker 6: was probably more difficult for him playing against this stupid
Speaker 6: stuffed animal or that it was for me, but it
Speaker 6: was fine. Then he plays a comment and a scam
Speaker 6: and is of course they'll love interested all that, but
Speaker 6: it was it was a tough movie to do. He
Speaker 6: had me on wires a couple of times, tried to
Speaker 6: like jump me over the A lot of things didn't
Speaker 6: end up in the movieump like leaping over from the
Speaker 6: ground up into the ring.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was when you were talking about that air ram,
Speaker 3: I was like, I don't remember any scene like that.
Speaker 6: Yeah, because I hopped so well, they didn't even have
Speaker 6: to use it. What it was for was to put
Speaker 6: in my corner of the ring and hit the button
Speaker 6: so I could leap into the center. But I had
Speaker 6: such springy legs at that I didn't need it. I
Speaker 6: was twenty eight at the time too. That's the kind
Speaker 6: of stuff you do when you're twenty eight and have
Speaker 6: a lot of entergy. I did another kangaroo in a
Speaker 6: movie after that called story Book and Milton Brale and
Speaker 6: Richard Maule from Night Court, remember Night Court, And it
Speaker 6: was a movie called story Book. But in this one
Speaker 6: the kangaroo talked. It was we had an hawsy accent
Speaker 6: and all that, and I went Oh my god. That
Speaker 6: was years later, and it was tough doing that again,
Speaker 6: hopping around and but that's it was a lot lighter
Speaker 6: than the Matilda suit. The Matilda suit was heavy and come.
Speaker 3: More than your fair share of being a kangaroo and stuff.
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, I would say this towns made an animal
Speaker 6: out of me. I've done Gorilla Bear. I've done bears
Speaker 6: in a lot of movies, like Back to the Future
Speaker 6: three and Beverly Hillbillies. But I a lot of like
Speaker 6: like in Kujo, you're you're doubling the animal using the
Speaker 6: real animal, and you're doing steenes that either the animal
Speaker 6: won't do or it's too dangerous for the other cast
Speaker 6: to be close to the animal.
Speaker 9: And then they put you in the suit.
Speaker 6: But see in that movie, like a lot of movies,
Speaker 6: it's the real animal, and then they're using just shots
Speaker 6: of you in the suit. But in until it was
Speaker 6: only me in the suit, so it was different. In hindsight,
Speaker 6: they probably should have let the audience in on the secret.
Speaker 6: I think it would it would have been more successful,
Speaker 6: you know, review wise and all that.
Speaker 3: After the movie opened, when you said you were doing
Speaker 3: those promo tours and stuff, were they still trying to
Speaker 3: pass you off as a real kangaroo or nah.
Speaker 6: Now, I remember we did the Carson Show. It's obviously
Speaker 6: a guy in the suit, you know. But they still
Speaker 6: they did a whole press package and they talked about Whammo,
Speaker 6: the kangaroo and the special van they had to keep
Speaker 6: bit air condition and the whole thing, and the altitude,
Speaker 6: and then a little blurb about in certain of the
Speaker 6: boxing sequences these the stunman in the suit. But back
Speaker 6: it was this whole press package about the real kangaroo
Speaker 6: that they never showed you in the movie at all.
Speaker 6: That was one of those things. Already was so busy
Speaker 6: selling this movie. He sold foreire rights in this right.
Speaker 6: I don't think he cared more about selling it than
Speaker 6: he did about making the movie. And he did. He
Speaker 6: said he still paid all the investors because he made
Speaker 6: the movie made money on paper. It wasn't a success
Speaker 6: at the box office. But it's the classic cigar chomping
Speaker 6: big producer. This movie's better be a monster and make
Speaker 6: a g rain in. Movie's gotta be a monster, forget
Speaker 6: about it. And we had a lot of the guys
Speaker 6: from the Godfather in the movie. A Lenny Montanda that
Speaker 6: played Luca Broadfeet was in Matilda. He was one of
Speaker 6: the thugs, and a bunch of the guys that were
Speaker 6: in The Godfather played the thugs in Matilda.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that was so strange to see him. And then
Speaker 3: that kind of Godfather knockoff song that they would play
Speaker 3: every time they were on the screen. It was good
Speaker 3: to see him, though. I always liked him as Luca Brozzi.
Speaker 6: And There's somebody because I literally I go, I once
Speaker 6: wrestled with Luca Brozi and the kangarooster. They go get
Speaker 6: out of he like what the little trivia things. Yeah,
Speaker 6: I fought Luca Brozzi, Lenny Montana, and half called in
Speaker 6: all his favors, all those mafia guys from the movie
Speaker 6: to from The Godfather to be in Matilda. But like
Speaker 6: I said, the script was so charming. I read that script,
Speaker 6: I went, oh my god, I just want to be
Speaker 6: part of this. This movie is gonna be a classic.
Speaker 6: Didn't turn out to be, but the script was just
Speaker 6: I could see why Elliott and Nichem and all that
Speaker 6: wanted to do it because it read so charming. Yeah,
Speaker 6: and it was g rated. I remember already. It was
Speaker 6: like it was first like g rated movie he wanted
Speaker 6: to make a family film. I don't know why, but
Speaker 6: she rated a big something for everybody. There was a
Speaker 6: guy that he hired for Matilda that he actually named
Speaker 6: Joe the Fish. Joe the Fish I think he died since,
Speaker 6: but he actually got Joe to Fish be like liaison
Speaker 6: between the Mafia guys when they were doing The Godfather
Speaker 6: because they didn't want a Nate he was. I'm sure
Speaker 6: you read all kinds of stuff about the Godfather. The
Speaker 6: real Mafia guys didn't want this movie made, and he
Speaker 6: got Joe to Fish to help him out. And Jodah
Speaker 6: Fish was on Matilda, a sweet guy, but a real
Speaker 6: like old mafioa guy. And the guys on on Matilda,
Speaker 6: which were some of the real Mafia guys, they'd be
Speaker 6: sitting around telling like mafia stories. When you on a movie,
Speaker 6: a lot of the stunt guys you sit around, you
Speaker 6: tell war stories, like stunt stories and remember this time
Speaker 6: you missed. You either missed the Carl way, you know,
Speaker 6: or Soodzo didn't fill the ear bag up. War stories
Speaker 6: about spunts. These guys were telling like mafia's stories, and
Speaker 6: I mean like real mafia stories. I was sitting by going,
Speaker 6: oh my god, these you're talking about like hidden in
Speaker 6: and shit, you know what I mean. It was like,
Speaker 6: I don't know, I said, this is real. They were
Speaker 6: just sitting with themselves and talking.
Speaker 4: I remember when.
Speaker 6: Louis miss did and all that. I'm like, oh my god,
Speaker 6: movies are great. The people that you know you're put
Speaker 6: together with movies, the places you go and the people
Speaker 6: that you get to hang out, whether it is so bizarre,
Speaker 6: such a fun thing about doing movies. And even I
Speaker 6: was in a kangaroo suit, but it was like after
Speaker 6: Rocky came out. I was in Reno and I remember
Speaker 6: hopping down the corridor going into the ring as if
Speaker 6: like a heavyweight champion with the robe. And when Elliott
Speaker 6: girl and everybody walking down the thing like going into
Speaker 6: the ring. It was a truth that you felt like
Speaker 6: a damn with the full crowd and the thing while
Speaker 6: the band was playing Waltzing Matilda. It was a trip.
Speaker 6: It was really sudden.
Speaker 3: He must have felt like a champ.
Speaker 6: When do you get to do that in your life
Speaker 6: with a folk out of everything. Art Matrono was in
Speaker 6: that too, and Elliott and Artmatrona were paled. Both of
Speaker 6: them were like betting on everything.
Speaker 3: It's funny. I didn't realize I'm supposed to to Joseph
Speaker 3: Walsh later on this week, the guy that wrote California Split,
Speaker 3: And I didn't realize just how inte betting Elliott was.
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, And Elliott is into sports, all kinds of sports.
Speaker 6: And it was so sweet because I'm not at all
Speaker 6: I would have like stupid rudimentary questions about certain sports
Speaker 6: and he's betting us, and Elliott associates stop and take
Speaker 6: the time and really explain what's going on to me
Speaker 6: instead of going, what are you kidding? You don't even
Speaker 6: know what that means. Hell, you're like on a football
Speaker 6: game or something, and he's tordly stopped and explained it
Speaker 6: to your light.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 6: Elliott Gould, if I could say anything about him is
Speaker 6: he's a kind man, great with his kids, real family,
Speaker 6: and every time he calls, he just wants to know
Speaker 6: how my kids are and all that. My kids are
Speaker 6: at thirty and thirty three now and his kids are
Speaker 6: close to forty. But it's still how he wants to
Speaker 6: know about the kids and all that. He's just a sweetheart.
Speaker 6: And Elliott's ups and downs too that I remember seeing
Speaker 6: an article about him. Got a few years ago, before
Speaker 6: of the Ocean's eleven, he was living like in a
Speaker 6: small place in Venice. And now he goes to me,
Speaker 6: Ellie goes, what do I need? I just need nice
Speaker 6: little kitchen and a little clean place, and I don't
Speaker 6: need much in life. He's had a lot and he's
Speaker 6: had a little, and he seems to be okay with
Speaker 6: it all. I have only good things to say about Eli.
Speaker 6: He's such a sweet guy.
Speaker 3: I think trying to find somebody that's got bad things
Speaker 3: to say about him is going to be a real chore,
Speaker 3: because everybody said really nice things. It's been great talking
Speaker 3: to folks, and no matter what they just they've echoed
Speaker 3: a lot of your sentiments. Sound it's been terrific.
Speaker 6: Now I'm a little guy. Elliott is a big guy.
Speaker 6: You got a big head, and Beckndy he took a
Speaker 6: large a large guy, and I'm like the exact opposite.
Speaker 6: I'm going a little skiddy acrobat. There you have it,
Speaker 6: help I shed sunlight for you.
Speaker 1: Last, but not least, we're gonna hear from Elliott Gould
Speaker 1: where I first started asking him what he remembers most
Speaker 1: about Matilda.
Speaker 9: Al Ruddy, who produced did he also produce The Godfather?
Speaker 9: Offered me to do the picture, and I had always
Speaker 9: admired Danny Mann as a filmmaker and director. I knew
Speaker 9: a little bit about Paul Gallagher, who was a sportswriter,
Speaker 9: and so they offered it to me and we did it.
Speaker 1: Had you worked with Danny Mann before?
Speaker 9: I don't think so, but I knew his work, especially
Speaker 9: The Last Angry Man, and then I discovered during the
Speaker 9: course of working with him on the picture that his
Speaker 9: father had been I think the lawyer for Shola Malechem,
Speaker 9: who was a rather renowned Jewish writer.
Speaker 1: How about already?
Speaker 9: I think I knew Al Ruddy or I had met
Speaker 9: Al Ruddy, and perhaps it was always right for us
Speaker 9: to try to work together. I think a picture he made,
Speaker 9: million Dollar Baby. Al Ruddy was quite a producer. The
Speaker 9: story works, but the make believe kangaroo didn't work.
Speaker 4: But I loved to work.
Speaker 9: I loved to work and loved the opportunity to collaborate
Speaker 9: with whatever team I'm working with on the production of
Speaker 9: a motion picture.
Speaker 1: I think some of the people were put out by
Speaker 1: the lack of a real kangaroo.
Speaker 9: We went to the ASPCA downtown New York and I
Speaker 9: took some pictures with the real kangaroo and a life
Speaker 9: size one of those large kangaroos, and it kicked me
Speaker 9: and bit me, but it was alive. I'm sure they
Speaker 9: had thought of it, but I just did the best
Speaker 9: with what we had. I love animals, the kangaroos. I've
Speaker 9: done a couple of pictures in Australia. And also they
Speaker 9: hired the late great Clive Revel to play the trainer
Speaker 9: of the kangaroo. And we had a wonderful, wonderful actor
Speaker 9: in the body suited the kangaroo. That was somebody named
Speaker 9: Gary Morgan, who was a fabulous artist. I'm sorry that
Speaker 9: that wasn't believable and I had to relied on my
Speaker 9: director and my.
Speaker 4: Producer to get it to work.
Speaker 9: But we did the best we could with what we had,
Speaker 9: and of course the source material was fun and Paul
Speaker 9: Gallagho was a leading sports writer during his time, so
Speaker 9: you know, it was an opportunity to work on something.
Speaker 9: And not everything we do works, but the idea is
Speaker 9: to work.
Speaker 1: How is it working with Art Matrono.
Speaker 9: Art Matronto was great. He was in all of the
Speaker 9: police Academy Movies. Matronto was a great, a lifelong friend
Speaker 9: of mine. And then there's also Harry Guardino, he was
Speaker 9: fabulous in the movies and Lino Standard that was a
Speaker 9: great that was worth something because he would tell me
Speaker 9: all about Robert de Niro. He worked with de Niro,
Speaker 9: who was one of our favorite What.
Speaker 1: Do you remember the most about the production?
Speaker 9: I remember most about the production was that I would
Speaker 9: have lunch with Robert Mitchum every day and he would
Speaker 9: bring it. We wouldn't go out, we would have a
Speaker 9: lunch close to the set indoors. And I also remember
Speaker 9: that I had another lifelong friend, Charlie Brill, who was
Speaker 9: half of a comedy team, but Charlie Brill and Mitzi McCall.
Speaker 9: Mitzi was his wife and their lifelong friends of mine.
Speaker 9: What do I remember most my lunch is with the
Speaker 9: mitchem getting to talk with Danny Mann, who had directed
Speaker 9: Paul Muni in The Last Angry Men, as well as
Speaker 9: working with all of those friends of mine. And for me,
Speaker 9: it's always a good experience to work in a movie
Speaker 9: with people with the crew, because.
Speaker 4: We are all working to do the same thing.
Speaker 9: And I recall that already offered me hundreds of thousands
Speaker 9: of dollars for him to buy back the position that
Speaker 9: I had had in the profits of Matilda, because I
Speaker 9: think that he thought that it could be a very
Speaker 9: profitable picture course, and I thought, I want to be
Speaker 9: loyal to our work. Why would I sell out? So
Speaker 9: I didn't do it, and I got paid being a
Speaker 9: union man, I got paid for working.
Speaker 1: What do you remember about your love interest in Matilda, Well,
Speaker 1: Karen Carlson.
Speaker 4: I didn't know her.
Speaker 5: I hadn't seen her, but she was very good to
Speaker 5: work with and very easy to work with, and.
Speaker 4: I thought she was right. She was good.
Speaker 1: Mister Gould, thank you so much for your time tonight.
Speaker 4: Thank you so much for the opportunity.
Speaker 3: Thank you.
Speaker 1: It is I was so nice talking with you.
Speaker 4: I really appreciate it.
Speaker 1: All Right, we are back and we were talking about
Speaker 1: Matilda and Calm. You have done just the most amazing
Speaker 1: job of finding other kangaroo related films, or at least
Speaker 1: boxing kangaroo films, even back to what was that the
Speaker 1: first one? It was like it wasn't the Loumier Brothers,
Speaker 1: but it was pretty damn close.
Speaker 7: It was like the Germany's, you know, Loumier, there's something
Speaker 7: like eighteen ninety five, because it's only like ten seconds.
Speaker 1: Early boxing kangaroo goes all the way back to the
Speaker 1: inception of cinema.
Speaker 7: Yeah, there was an article I found, I think it
Speaker 7: was in Vice that also referenced a Philadelphia zoo that
Speaker 7: the zookeeper would do these stunts with the kangaroo there
Speaker 7: and would box him, and so yeah, I guess it
Speaker 7: was a popular trope in the eighteen nineties side shows
Speaker 7: and stuff. Yeah, even just watching those films from like
Speaker 7: the eighteen nineties, it's I found that uncomfortable. It's a
Speaker 7: sad and that's why I was.
Speaker 4: I enjoy the.
Speaker 7: Ridiculous costume of Matilda's I don't, as I said, I
Speaker 7: don't think this would. I think the less realistic Matilda is,
Speaker 7: the more fairy tale it is, the more enjoyable it is.
Speaker 5: Philadelphia, Philadelphia zookeeper was doing that with boxing and kangaroo.
Speaker 7: According to the article on Weiss, this was in the
Speaker 7: eighteen nineties.
Speaker 5: Okay, because I mean, wasn't in the seventies when Chuck
Speaker 5: Webner would box the bear. Well, I'm not sure I
Speaker 5: heard about that would happen in Philadelphia.
Speaker 3: Too.
Speaker 5: Chuck Webner would try to box bears.
Speaker 3: I was at a convention.
Speaker 14: I saw this wrestling bear, so I said, you know what,
Speaker 14: I'll ask my buddy Chuck.
Speaker 4: If he'll fight the bear.
Speaker 2: So here is Victor the Bear.
Speaker 7: I don't get any ring with just any bear. This
Speaker 7: the bear. He was on the At Sullivan show.
Speaker 4: Who the very royal fame is bear?
Speaker 1: Yeah, the whole idea of boxing kangaroo, like, I was
Speaker 1: not familiar with that at all other than the one
Speaker 1: character that they had and a lot of the Warner
Speaker 1: Brothers cartoons, the Hippoty Hopper or something, but he was
Speaker 1: in like hop look and listen or hop him pop and.
Speaker 7: Yeah I watched that one, right, Sylvester.
Speaker 3: And that was the whole thing.
Speaker 1: It was like Sylvester in his weird, controlling little kid
Speaker 1: version of Sylvester who would always be like, yeah, get
Speaker 1: him pop, get him pop. It was all about like
Speaker 1: Sylvester trying to teach his kid how to like I
Speaker 1: don't remember which one it was, but one of them
Speaker 1: was like, I want to teach how to mouse. And
Speaker 1: then they always think that this kangaroo is a giant
Speaker 1: mouse rather than a giant rabbit.
Speaker 3: Why are you looking at me like that?
Speaker 5: Sun? Don't you believe there was a giant mouse?
Speaker 8: Yes, I do, pop because there's one in back of you. Now, oh,
Speaker 8: come now, kid, I'll do the fibbing around here.
Speaker 1: And then there's always, yeah, like a lot of boxing
Speaker 1: going on, and of course Sylvester takes the brunt of everything.
Speaker 7: And there was a Mickey Mouse cartoon where kangaroo shows
Speaker 7: up and destroys Pluto's doghouse. And then somehow there's two
Speaker 7: kangaroos and they go to a gymnasium and hilarity in
Speaker 7: mayhemmon Zeus.
Speaker 1: Oh, going back to the very early one. It was
Speaker 1: from eighteen ninety five. My German is very bad, but
Speaker 1: it is dust boxing Dick Hanguru just.
Speaker 7: To be a complete ust. And then there was a
Speaker 7: thirties Hollywood movie where Jimmy durantiif boxes at kangaroo, but
Speaker 7: I could not find that.
Speaker 1: Then, of course, you know, like we've talked about kangaroos
Speaker 1: on this podcast before, there's the kangaroos that are in
Speaker 1: Tank Girl. A lot of action sequences there. There's the
Speaker 1: Warriors of Virtue. Do you guys remember that one where
Speaker 1: it was a martial arts movie from ninety seven. I
Speaker 1: think it was like kind of tying into the whole
Speaker 1: Hong Kong handover and all of the directors that would
Speaker 1: come over. It was a Ronnie you film, that's right.
Speaker 5: That was like his first American film, wasn't it.
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 1: I think so, yeah, yeah. And then of course, you know,
Speaker 1: no discussion of kangaroo movies can be complete without talking
Speaker 1: about Kangaroo Jack. Of yes, yes, which is the opposite
Speaker 1: of having the creature be a person in a puppet suit,
Speaker 1: where I think almost all, if not all, of Kangaroo
Speaker 1: Jack the movie is a cig kangaroo, right, Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 7: I thought you were going to say that it's a
Speaker 7: real kangaroo. And then a kangaroo in a human suit.
Speaker 5: Oh, there you go.
Speaker 1: It just zips down the front and the sides fly open.
Speaker 1: It's actually a cameo from Elliott Gould. Oddly, Kangaroo Jack
Speaker 1: originally conceived as an R rated mob comedy entitled Down
Speaker 1: and Under. Negative test screenings led producer Jerry Bruckheimer to
Speaker 1: retool the film into a PG rated film, heavily re
Speaker 1: editing it and adding scenes of an anthropomorphic kangaroo, and
Speaker 1: there was an animated direct to video sequel called Kangaroo
Speaker 1: Jack Good Day USA.
Speaker 4: I said a hit.
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Speaker 12: animated adventure with his friends Charlie and Lewis. If they
Speaker 12: think they're any braver, any tougher, any smarter, then they
Speaker 12: still don't know Jack.
Speaker 6: This is supposed to be an action piece. I'm not
Speaker 6: feeling it. It's an all new, full.
Speaker 12: Length animated feature from the Kid's movie collection, Kangaroo Jack,
Speaker 12: Good Gay USA, coming exclusively to DVD and video.
Speaker 7: Do you have a work print of that Kangaroo Jack.
Speaker 1: I don't, but god, I would love to get my
Speaker 1: ants on it.
Speaker 7: Right I'm just morbidly curious about because it sounds like,
Speaker 7: from what you said, there was no kangaroo in the original.
Speaker 1: I just remember the trailer for that and how embarrassing
Speaker 1: the trailer was. Like Jerry O'Connell and Anthony Anderson. I
Speaker 1: just felt so bad for them in that trailer. Judging
Speaker 1: from some of these character names, because I still haven't
Speaker 1: seen Kangaroo Jack, but judging just from the character names,
Speaker 1: you've got a Stella Warren as Jesse, a member of
Speaker 1: the Outback Wildlife Foundation so I would think maybe kind
Speaker 1: of Aspca lady, and then Christopher Walken as Salmaggio, a mobster,
Speaker 1: and Charlie's stepfather, and Diane Cannon as Ana Carbone. So
Speaker 1: we've got a lot of oh, Michael Shannon, Michael Shannon
Speaker 1: nice as Frankie Lombardo, so we definitely are keeping all
Speaker 1: of the mob stuff. And kangaroo Jack apparently does have
Speaker 1: a voice that looks like Adam Garcia kangaroo Jack. So
Speaker 1: a red kangaroo on whom Lewis puts his lucky jacket.
Speaker 5: Well, I think that's the scene where Jeri O'Connell gets
Speaker 5: like hit on the head and he hallucinates like a
Speaker 5: rapping kangaroo rapping.
Speaker 1: Yes, it did win one award talking about kangaroo Jack. Still.
Speaker 1: It was on the Kids Choice Awards. It won Favorite
Speaker 1: Fart in a Movie. But it wasn't kangaro Jack. It
Speaker 1: was Anthony Anderson who won.
Speaker 7: Somebody's got to win and they.
Speaker 1: Were only nominated Anthony Anderson and Christopher walking for We're
Speaker 1: Supporting Actor by the Razzie Award. So fuck those guys anyway,
Speaker 1: because that's where, like most of the writing that I
Speaker 1: was able to find about Matilda was in Like the
Speaker 1: Golden Turkeys, the book that you shared with me colin
Speaker 1: the Hollywood Walk of Shame. So it's like, oh, let's
Speaker 1: just beat up on this movie. And it's easy to
Speaker 1: beat up on. Obviously, this is a weird episode because
Speaker 1: normally I'm just like, yes, let's share the wealth. But
Speaker 1: this one's an odd movie. I would say I'm probably
Speaker 1: a better person for having watched it, though.
Speaker 7: You all know how I feel about this movie. I
Speaker 7: find the heart charming.
Speaker 4: I love it. I love that you love this movie.
Speaker 1: Honestly, I'm not being facetious whatsoever. I think that's great.
Speaker 1: And I'm so glad because I didn't want to just
Speaker 1: come on here and beat this movie up, because there
Speaker 1: is a lot of charm to it and this cast
Speaker 1: is freaking amazing.
Speaker 7: I'd like to think that somebody after listening to this
Speaker 7: would have a decent idea if this is for them
Speaker 7: or it's not. It's not a great movie made by
Speaker 7: great people, and sometimes these ideas just don't work. And
Speaker 7: they did the best they could, and I really enjoyed
Speaker 7: everyone's effort. And I guess I just enjoy the sort
Speaker 7: of fairy tale, sort of old fashioned fairy tale aspect
Speaker 7: of it.
Speaker 5: I haven't really touched upon the van they drive around in,
Speaker 5: and I really love that, Like it's such a seventies van.
Speaker 5: It looks like the kind of van they would put
Speaker 5: in a movie that was making fun of the seventies.
Speaker 7: That's a good point.
Speaker 5: It's like it's got that cool bubble top and it's
Speaker 5: got like a painting out of Matilda on the side.
Speaker 5: And I love that van, and I love Lionel Stander,
Speaker 5: and I loved all the references to the McDonald's, Like
Speaker 5: there's things about it. I liked, you know, like it's
Speaker 5: but I didn't like it as a whole. I liked
Speaker 5: those things and there's like other things too. Also liked
Speaker 5: the one line that Elliott Gould says, like his version
Speaker 5: of is the both cat is the Pope cathlic and
Speaker 5: his version was his rolls interested in Royce.
Speaker 7: That is good, yeah, am I. The line I liked
Speaker 7: was Lenny Montana and I'm not going to try to
Speaker 7: do his voice when I'm through the Kangaroos in two.
Speaker 7: It's just a silly mob. Brian, I'm a really cheap
Speaker 7: Day eight.
Speaker 1: Calling to your point from earlier, it feels like only
Speaker 1: in the seventies. You know, it was a weird time
Speaker 1: and a lot of stuff got green lit where you're
Speaker 1: just like, what what are we doing here? Like even
Speaker 1: like looking at you know, Ruddy's filmography and I'm like,
Speaker 1: oh yeah, I forgot that. He he was the producer
Speaker 1: of well, Canniball Run that's the eighties, but the producer
Speaker 1: of Coonskin. I'm just like, wow, Okay, I mean I
Speaker 1: love that movie, but it's just what a strange film.
Speaker 1: I mean, all those Bakshi films in the seventies are
Speaker 1: just like how did these get green lit? I what
Speaker 1: a wonderful time to live in.
Speaker 5: I've already also produced one of my favorite movies from
Speaker 5: the eighties, Mega Force.
Speaker 4: Oh yes, oh yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: I really wish I had gone back and talked with him.
Speaker 1: I haven't listened to the interview that I did with
Speaker 1: him since I did the interview, and I seem to
Speaker 1: remember him getting kind of salty around The Godfather because
Speaker 1: and I was basically like, I'm not going to ask
Speaker 1: you anything about The Godfather because I hadn't seen it
Speaker 1: like in a while, and I also wanted to do
Speaker 1: a shit ton of research if I was going to
Speaker 1: talk to the producer of The Godfather about The Godfather,
Speaker 1: but I really don't even want to talk to you
Speaker 1: about that right now. I would love to talk to
Speaker 1: you about it someday, sir, I'd love to have a
Speaker 1: conversation about that, and Cannamal Run and Mega Force and
Speaker 1: speed Zone and all that.
Speaker 6: But that right now.
Speaker 7: What I really enjoyed about the interview with him. He
Speaker 7: knew the movie didn't work, but he didn't seem bitter like.
Speaker 7: He just seemed so overwhelmed with like good feelings about
Speaker 7: working with Elliott Gould and I you know, with Gary
Speaker 7: was also the same thing where you know, he didn't
Speaker 7: enjoy being in the suit, but he just talked about
Speaker 7: the camaraderie of the people and like loved working with Elliott,
Speaker 7: and I think those good vibes kind of come across.
Speaker 1: Yeah, nobody was hesitant to talk to me about this film,
Speaker 1: which is pretty great, other than I never got a
Speaker 1: response back from Karen Carlson's people, but that could just
Speaker 1: because they never passed it on. But yeah, it's also
Speaker 1: very sad how many of these folks have passed away.
Speaker 1: I mean, it is that so many of these actors
Speaker 1: were of that time where it's just like, I mean, hell,
Speaker 1: you know, I was making fun of Rory Clarke earlier,
Speaker 1: just a bit, but I mean I've fucking watched Hehaw
Speaker 1: Weekend week Out. I loved him. I love Bucco Ones Man,
Speaker 1: those guys were great.
Speaker 7: I love him as a guitarist. There's a record he
Speaker 7: did but it's basically just like a straight sort of
Speaker 7: jazz blues out and he gets like Barney Kessel to
Speaker 7: play with him. So just hearing him and Barney Kessel
Speaker 7: just like grading solos is amazing. It was nice to
Speaker 7: hear that side of his playing because he is just
Speaker 7: an amazing, amazing guitarist.
Speaker 1: I hadn't seen him act in that many things, but
Speaker 1: I was actually pretty good with his wild Bill character,
Speaker 1: wild Bill Wild wild Man Jesus said, But yeah, I
Speaker 1: thought he did a great job. I was very happy
Speaker 1: to see him. All Right, We're going to take another
Speaker 1: break and play a preview for next week's show. Right
Speaker 1: after these brief messages, Meet Ira Dear Samuel Beckett.
Speaker 6: I've always been a great admirer of yours.
Speaker 8: He's a playwright. Ira Ellis with a day job, Ira.
Speaker 12: The pop We don't the pose with the platf Come.
Speaker 4: On over here, moved.
Speaker 8: His plays are a little depressing life, life, hife, death, death, death,
Speaker 8: all that dialogue about life and death. I mean life,
Speaker 8: death is just so depressing. But what depressing is is good. Well,
Speaker 8: I thought it was excellent.
Speaker 1: I thought it was deep and very sensitive too.
Speaker 8: His love life is very anxious.
Speaker 6: What do you tune to do?
Speaker 7: Pick me up for something?
Speaker 6: Does a body and latowns are ambicial? No?
Speaker 11: No, no, no, not at all.
Speaker 5: And like I said, Sharon, you're a very special person.
Speaker 8: And he fears he won't ever get his first big break.
Speaker 8: I loved it.
Speaker 5: I love love, love love loved it.
Speaker 8: Todd Saloons stars in his first feature film, Fear Anxiety
Speaker 8: and Depression, and it's a musical.
Speaker 4: I love you.
Speaker 1: I love you more and more.
Speaker 3: Every time I dream the work, I dream evermore.
Speaker 8: Fear Anxiety and Depression. It's a laughing matter us.
Speaker 1: That's right. We'll be back next week with a look
Speaker 1: at Fear Anxiety and Depression as Comedy Month continues. Until then,
Speaker 1: I want to thank my co host Mike and Colin. So, Mike,
Speaker 1: what is the latest with you, sir?
Speaker 4: Well?
Speaker 5: I mean you could find my work in Shock Cinema
Speaker 5: sixty six, which should be out now. Shock Cinema sixty
Speaker 5: seven probably should be out sometime the summer, maybe the
Speaker 5: Fall at some point also on letterboxed under the name
Speaker 5: magdum gu. I'm not under a lot, but if you
Speaker 5: want to see my thoughts on movies like Move or
Speaker 5: National Lampoon's movie Madness, you can swing on down and
Speaker 5: read those reviews.
Speaker 1: That's about it for now, and Colin, how about yourself
Speaker 1: doing a lot of music still.
Speaker 7: The new project with a friend and filmmaker out of
Speaker 7: Baltimore who knows skiz. His name is Matt Berry, and
Speaker 7: we're called Hollywood Extras and it's sort of improvised experimental music,
Speaker 7: silent movies. So we just released the first EP called
Speaker 7: four Films, and then in June I should have a
Speaker 7: new album for my solo project, Modern Silent Cinemas, which
Speaker 7: is four it's piano, guitar and bass. It's called Passengers
Speaker 7: thirty three.
Speaker 1: Well, that sounds like a Philip Glass title.
Speaker 7: I just take passages to describe these solo pieces I
Speaker 7: was composing, and I just number them in order. The
Speaker 7: first album I made the mistake, I think this passage
Speaker 7: is one through nine of titling them before them in
Speaker 7: order on the album, and so it makes no sense.
Speaker 7: And so this is the fourth album of passages two
Speaker 7: through four are all just chronologically numbered.
Speaker 1: THX one, one, three eight. I just love his titles. Well,
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