WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.200 --> 00:00:03.319 The Projection Booth podcast is sponsored by Scarecrow Video. Try 2 00:00:03.319 --> 00:00:05.919 out Scarecrow's rent by mail service. Choose from over one 3 00:00:05.960 --> 00:00:08.359 hundred and fifty thousand films and get Blu rays, four 4 00:00:08.400 --> 00:00:11.880 k's and DVDs delivered directly to your door. Visit scarecrow 5 00:00:11.960 --> 00:00:13.039 dot com today. 6 00:00:18.280 --> 00:00:21.120 Oh ge is folks, It's showtime. 7 00:00:21.839 --> 00:00:23.879 People say good money to see this movie. 8 00:00:24.120 --> 00:00:25.320 When they go out to a theater. 9 00:00:25.600 --> 00:00:29.359 They want clod sodas, hot popcorn in. No monsters in 10 00:00:29.399 --> 00:00:32.560 the projection booths. Everyone for ten podcasting isn't boring. 11 00:00:33.880 --> 00:00:34.039 Off. 12 00:00:52.719 --> 00:00:55.200 This is the greatest spider that ever walked. 13 00:00:57.439 --> 00:01:01.840 Mota'm boxing kangaroo. 14 00:01:02.079 --> 00:01:04.920 I mean now the boy is strong. Huh he's an animal? 15 00:01:05.359 --> 00:01:15.480 To cut off the tale of a kangaroo and what happens. 16 00:01:13.640 --> 00:01:15.239 The championship fighters on and renal. 17 00:01:15.359 --> 00:01:19.760 Congratulations for the first time in my life, you made 18 00:01:19.799 --> 00:01:21.079 me a winner too. 19 00:01:21.519 --> 00:01:24.680 Thanks, and you'll thank Matilda for bringing out the winner 20 00:01:24.680 --> 00:01:25.200 in us all. 21 00:01:25.599 --> 00:01:29.200 He even has Debbie and Pat Boone singing out Matilda, 22 00:01:29.480 --> 00:01:31.640 what a knockout. 23 00:01:30.879 --> 00:01:31.439 Rat did gee? 24 00:01:38.640 --> 00:01:40.719 Welcome to the Projection Booth. I'm here st Mike White 25 00:01:40.760 --> 00:01:44.000 joined me once again. Is mister Colin Gallagher heck fuzzy. 26 00:01:44.840 --> 00:01:47.040 Also back in the booth is mister Mike Sullivan. 27 00:01:47.280 --> 00:01:50.799 Hey, hello, guys, it's a pre birthday thing. I had 28 00:01:50.840 --> 00:01:54.519 six chili dogs tonight, so I'm just gonna do my best. 29 00:01:54.680 --> 00:01:56.120 I'm just gonna hang in there for you. 30 00:01:56.879 --> 00:01:57.760 Just about. 31 00:01:59.319 --> 00:02:02.840 How many hot dogs do you eat a day? 32 00:02:03.879 --> 00:02:07.959 We continue Comedy Month with one from nineteen seventy eight, 33 00:02:08.080 --> 00:02:12.520 Daniel Mann's Matilda. The film stars Clive Ravel as Billy Baker, 34 00:02:12.800 --> 00:02:16.360 a former boxer who has somehow made friends with a 35 00:02:16.560 --> 00:02:20.560 boxing kangaroo, Matilda, played by Gary Morgan. They meet up 36 00:02:20.599 --> 00:02:25.039 with an unscrupulous promoter, Bernie Bonelli played by Elliott Gould. 37 00:02:25.400 --> 00:02:28.520 Also in the picture our Robert Mitcham as a sportswriter, 38 00:02:28.840 --> 00:02:32.560 Harry Guadino as a mobster, and Karen Carlson as a 39 00:02:32.639 --> 00:02:36.919 goodie goody from the ASPCA. We will be spoiling this 40 00:02:37.080 --> 00:02:39.840 film insofar as it can be spoiled, So if you 41 00:02:39.840 --> 00:02:42.520 don't want anything ruined, turn off the podcast, go out 42 00:02:42.560 --> 00:02:44.560 and find the new four K blu ray from the 43 00:02:44.560 --> 00:02:47.280 Criterion collection and come on back. 44 00:02:47.360 --> 00:02:48.400 We will still be here. 45 00:02:49.080 --> 00:02:51.840 So, Mike, when was the first time you saw Matilda 46 00:02:51.960 --> 00:02:52.840 and what did you think? 47 00:02:52.879 --> 00:02:55.759 Sir God. I saw it how to be like the 48 00:02:55.759 --> 00:02:58.879 Early Oughts, and I think it was in part. This 49 00:02:59.000 --> 00:03:03.199 was in the notes Paul Fright talks review of it, 50 00:03:03.639 --> 00:03:05.599 and that's where I found out about it. He want 51 00:03:05.599 --> 00:03:08.479 to as it his website. And it's one of those 52 00:03:08.479 --> 00:03:11.240 movies that you hear about and you're like, oh, okay, 53 00:03:12.080 --> 00:03:14.400 and then you watch it and you're like, ah no, no, 54 00:03:14.719 --> 00:03:16.360 you know, like it sounds. It's one of those one 55 00:03:16.439 --> 00:03:19.960 that sounds better to talk about than actually sit through, 56 00:03:20.240 --> 00:03:22.759 you know. But I guess we'll get into up more tonight, 57 00:03:23.759 --> 00:03:25.000 and Colin, how about yourself. 58 00:03:25.599 --> 00:03:28.599 I think I first heard about this when I was 59 00:03:28.960 --> 00:03:33.319 preparing a feature for a website I used to write 60 00:03:33.319 --> 00:03:35.199 for it called Not Coming to a Theater near You, 61 00:03:35.960 --> 00:03:39.039 So that would have been about fifteen years ago. The 62 00:03:39.039 --> 00:03:41.280 feature never made it to the website, but it was 63 00:03:41.319 --> 00:03:46.319 going to be focused on nineteen seventies sports films because 64 00:03:46.360 --> 00:03:51.680 there's some fantastic ones on Holy Rollers, Kansas City Bomber, 65 00:03:52.319 --> 00:03:55.680 Bad News Bears, and if you go into the early eighties, 66 00:03:55.719 --> 00:03:59.960 like All the Marbles. And then I saw Boxing Kangaroo 67 00:04:00.120 --> 00:04:04.080 movie with Elliott Coold and Robert Mitchum. What the hell 68 00:04:04.159 --> 00:04:08.319 is this thing, and I don't remember. When I finally 69 00:04:08.400 --> 00:04:13.280 tracked it down, I thought it was as weird and 70 00:04:13.560 --> 00:04:16.720 wild as the premise. Added, I really like this movie. 71 00:04:17.560 --> 00:04:17.800 You know. 72 00:04:17.879 --> 00:04:20.600 It strikes me as something like you could only get 73 00:04:20.639 --> 00:04:23.759 away with in the seventies, but in a weird way, 74 00:04:24.680 --> 00:04:26.600 I think you could have actually got away with it 75 00:04:26.639 --> 00:04:30.480 in the thirties. Like there is something very old fashioned 76 00:04:30.480 --> 00:04:34.560 about it, and it's based off a novel by Paul Gallico, 77 00:04:35.040 --> 00:04:38.319 who had been a sportswriter, And there's this something about 78 00:04:38.360 --> 00:04:42.120 the story that I could picture Jimmy Cagney in the 79 00:04:42.120 --> 00:04:46.399 Elliott Gould role. You could put Edar g Robinson as 80 00:04:46.600 --> 00:04:47.279 the gangster. 81 00:04:48.360 --> 00:04:51.199 I think you're describing a better movie, better cast thing. 82 00:04:52.199 --> 00:04:55.040 I like Elliott Gould, but I feel like he's miscast, 83 00:04:55.279 --> 00:04:57.399 and that it's kind of like almost doing like a 84 00:04:57.439 --> 00:05:01.319 half parted Phil Silver's impression, you know, like in being 85 00:05:01.399 --> 00:05:05.639 like the fast talking con man. I I'm like, but 86 00:05:05.759 --> 00:05:09.079 I think Cagney could have pulled this off a lot 87 00:05:09.120 --> 00:05:12.439 better than Gould. You like the movie, so I don't 88 00:05:12.480 --> 00:05:15.560 know what your thoughts on like Gould's performance in the 89 00:05:15.600 --> 00:05:16.079 movie is. 90 00:05:17.040 --> 00:05:20.839 I just found it delightful. It's such a strange mashup 91 00:05:21.079 --> 00:05:26.519 of sports movie, gangster movie, family comedy. And then there's 92 00:05:26.560 --> 00:05:32.000 this like anthropomorphic relationship to this kangaroo that's a guy 93 00:05:32.120 --> 00:05:35.680 in a suit, And I actually love the fact that 94 00:05:35.720 --> 00:05:38.759 the suit does not look realistic. I don't think I 95 00:05:38.759 --> 00:05:41.319 would like the movie if it was more realistic. And 96 00:05:41.360 --> 00:05:43.879 I'm really glad there's not a real kangaroo because that 97 00:05:43.879 --> 00:05:45.000 would just be horrible. 98 00:05:45.920 --> 00:05:48.839 I agree with you, it shouldn't look real, but I 99 00:05:48.839 --> 00:05:52.399 think it should look less fake. I think maybe if 100 00:05:52.439 --> 00:05:54.680 the it wasn't a guy in a suit but a puppet, 101 00:05:54.720 --> 00:05:58.959 like a very elaborate like Jim Henson Studio's puppet. I 102 00:05:59.000 --> 00:06:01.800 think maybe then I could I could sort of like 103 00:06:01.959 --> 00:06:05.160 hold on to it a bit better, you know, get 104 00:06:05.160 --> 00:06:06.800 a better grip on it, enjoy it more. 105 00:06:07.600 --> 00:06:11.199 It's such a such a strange movie. I've you know, 106 00:06:11.279 --> 00:06:15.000 rewatched it a few more times, and every time it 107 00:06:15.199 --> 00:06:19.240 never settles into normalcy, and everyone is playing it's so 108 00:06:19.600 --> 00:06:21.319 straight and so sincere. 109 00:06:22.240 --> 00:06:24.720 Yeah, it's very earnest. Yeah, And I. 110 00:06:24.680 --> 00:06:27.240 Think that's part of what I really like about it. 111 00:06:27.920 --> 00:06:30.800 You can't write it off as a you know, okay, 112 00:06:30.879 --> 00:06:34.680 it's just a bad movie. It's like they're trying really hard. 113 00:06:35.720 --> 00:06:39.000 I like Elliott Gould, like I just find everyone charming 114 00:06:39.439 --> 00:06:42.000 for the most part. There's some scenes that I don't 115 00:06:42.079 --> 00:06:45.839 quite like with him that don't you know. There's elements 116 00:06:45.879 --> 00:06:47.399 of the story when they try to have all these 117 00:06:47.480 --> 00:06:51.199 interpersonal dramas that don't quite work. But when it's everything 118 00:06:51.240 --> 00:06:54.560 with Matilda I think is really funny. I especially love 119 00:06:54.639 --> 00:06:57.519 all the goofy gangsters stuff when they're trying to like 120 00:06:57.600 --> 00:06:59.199 tick a hit out on them and it becomes a 121 00:06:59.240 --> 00:07:03.279 slapstick like when it's goofy, that's when it works best. 122 00:07:04.199 --> 00:07:06.279 You brought up a point that I was kind of 123 00:07:06.360 --> 00:07:09.839 surprised by with this movie. It's it's weirdly sprawling. There's 124 00:07:09.879 --> 00:07:12.879 like a lot of characters and like a lot of 125 00:07:13.560 --> 00:07:16.199 I don't even want to say, like drop dramatic threads. 126 00:07:16.199 --> 00:07:18.480 But there's things like Art Matrano as the cab driver. 127 00:07:18.800 --> 00:07:23.120 You have Ellie Gould's brother in law who incidentally, how 128 00:07:23.160 --> 00:07:25.920 old is Ellie Gould's sister that is brother in law 129 00:07:26.079 --> 00:07:28.800 is linel Standard. You have all these like that, you 130 00:07:28.879 --> 00:07:32.839 have like the the guys under Harry Harry Gardino, you 131 00:07:32.879 --> 00:07:35.240 have all the you have the Carlson, you have that. 132 00:07:35.959 --> 00:07:38.879 I guess it was cut the actors that work with that, 133 00:07:39.399 --> 00:07:42.160 with Neville on that show, that fake show, that's sort 134 00:07:42.199 --> 00:07:45.079 of that convoluted thing to make it seem like Matilda's 135 00:07:45.120 --> 00:07:47.560 a guy in a suit. You know, there's all these 136 00:07:47.560 --> 00:07:50.720 like it's almost like it's like at times there because 137 00:07:51.120 --> 00:07:53.920 this is way too this isn't true, Like it's almost 138 00:07:53.920 --> 00:07:55.680 like they're trying to do like an Altman movie all 139 00:07:55.680 --> 00:07:57.680 these characters. That's not the case. But there's a lot 140 00:07:57.680 --> 00:08:00.639 of like weird almost like drop dramatic threat with these 141 00:08:01.160 --> 00:08:02.480 like this sprawling cast. 142 00:08:02.680 --> 00:08:05.720 Have you seen the spine of the novel. It's it's 143 00:08:05.720 --> 00:08:08.839 not going to work on over the podcast, but it 144 00:08:08.920 --> 00:08:10.480 is over three hundred pages. 145 00:08:11.199 --> 00:08:13.120 I didn't realize it was that long. 146 00:08:14.160 --> 00:08:18.439 It's funny reading reviews at the time in newspapers. Some 147 00:08:18.480 --> 00:08:23.839 critics liked it, some hated it, but everyone agreed this 148 00:08:23.839 --> 00:08:27.399 thing is way too long. I found an interview around 149 00:08:27.439 --> 00:08:29.839 the same time with Paul Gallico that was in New 150 00:08:29.879 --> 00:08:34.000 York Magazine, and he's being like self deprecating, saying like, oh, look, 151 00:08:34.039 --> 00:08:37.000 I'm not a good novelist. I'm not literary. I just 152 00:08:37.080 --> 00:08:40.080 spin yarns. If I had been a cave man. I 153 00:08:40.120 --> 00:08:42.480 would just go from cave to cave, being like, let 154 00:08:42.480 --> 00:08:44.879 me tell your story and you can feed me. And 155 00:08:44.960 --> 00:08:47.919 the novel does sort of feel like it has a 156 00:08:47.960 --> 00:08:51.480 beginning and it has a twist ending and an in 157 00:08:51.559 --> 00:08:54.840 between is just how many more adventures can I come 158 00:08:54.919 --> 00:08:56.720 up with from Matilda? 159 00:08:57.039 --> 00:08:57.360 It is? 160 00:08:57.399 --> 00:08:59.960 It just goes on and on and it keeps veering 161 00:09:00.000 --> 00:09:02.799 and you get so much more about No. 162 00:09:02.799 --> 00:09:02.919 No. 163 00:09:03.799 --> 00:09:06.279 There's a whole side story about how he has a 164 00:09:06.360 --> 00:09:09.240 dual identity, and it talks about him being a Harvard graduate. 165 00:09:09.600 --> 00:09:12.360 So the stuff that you're hitting on, Mike, especially having 166 00:09:12.399 --> 00:09:15.000 read the book, the movie is really fragmented with all 167 00:09:15.000 --> 00:09:16.320 these other characters. 168 00:09:16.679 --> 00:09:19.720 But at the same time, isn't the ASPCA lady. Isn't 169 00:09:19.759 --> 00:09:23.679 she added for the movie, which adds a whole other 170 00:09:24.000 --> 00:09:27.960 subplot which really isn't necessary, doesn't feel very motivated, and 171 00:09:28.000 --> 00:09:30.759 she kind of changes on a dime when it comes 172 00:09:30.799 --> 00:09:35.519 to I hate this Elliot Gould character because he's exploiting 173 00:09:35.639 --> 00:09:38.519 this animal. Oh, I feel really bad because I got 174 00:09:38.559 --> 00:09:42.919 his TV show canceled, so now we can be romantic partners. 175 00:09:43.320 --> 00:09:46.279 That was odd. My history with this movie is and 176 00:09:46.320 --> 00:09:48.480 I probably have told this on the show before. If 177 00:09:48.519 --> 00:09:51.559 not here we go. As we're recording this, we are 178 00:09:51.639 --> 00:09:55.039 two days away from the fifteenth anniversary of the Projection Booth. 179 00:09:55.480 --> 00:10:00.279 So about fifteen years ago also, I started thinking about 180 00:10:00.320 --> 00:10:03.360 writing a book about Elliott Gould. And what I wanted 181 00:10:03.399 --> 00:10:06.200 to do was have a book that was Elliott Gould 182 00:10:06.240 --> 00:10:08.399 on one side, and you would flip it over and 183 00:10:08.559 --> 00:10:12.080 be Donald's Otherland on the other, because between those two guys, 184 00:10:12.960 --> 00:10:18.720 they made such a wide breadth of movies in the 185 00:10:18.840 --> 00:10:22.080 nineteen seventies, and I'm just talking about the nineteen seventies 186 00:10:22.159 --> 00:10:25.720 only and just the wild ride that these two guys had, 187 00:10:25.799 --> 00:10:29.480 you know, starting off the decade with Mash and this 188 00:10:29.679 --> 00:10:34.039 huge unexpected hit that they had, and then you know, 189 00:10:34.120 --> 00:10:37.679 coming back together again and like the Little Cameo and 190 00:10:38.120 --> 00:10:42.679 Little Murderers and then that horrible movie Spies that they 191 00:10:42.679 --> 00:10:47.120 were in, and they just they had these crazy highs 192 00:10:47.159 --> 00:10:49.840 and lows. And I mean you just look at Gould 193 00:10:50.080 --> 00:10:53.960 and just how high he was at times literally sometimes, 194 00:10:54.080 --> 00:10:57.120 and then how low he would get. I would consider 195 00:10:57.159 --> 00:10:59.759 this more one of his lows. But it's interesting because 196 00:10:59.799 --> 00:11:02.799 they're are like these family movies, and he's just all 197 00:11:02.799 --> 00:11:04.480 over the place when it comes to the like genre 198 00:11:04.519 --> 00:11:06.240 and stuff, like you look at something like this, you 199 00:11:06.279 --> 00:11:09.519 look at something like who or Roboman, which is like 200 00:11:09.559 --> 00:11:12.879 this kind of sci fi movie but not that sci fi, 201 00:11:13.080 --> 00:11:15.919 and it or like Capricorn One, which is also kind 202 00:11:15.960 --> 00:11:18.480 of sci fi but not quite sci fi. And he's 203 00:11:18.519 --> 00:11:20.639 just all over the place. And I'm just like fascinated 204 00:11:20.720 --> 00:11:24.320 by those ten years in the nineteen seventies and the 205 00:11:24.440 --> 00:11:28.799 trip that this guy took. So like, that's why you know, 206 00:11:28.919 --> 00:11:32.279 we've been all these years, you know, especially over the 207 00:11:32.320 --> 00:11:35.120 last few where I've really been trying to talk with 208 00:11:35.200 --> 00:11:37.159 Elliott Moore and trying to get some of these stories 209 00:11:37.240 --> 00:11:40.600 out of them because I still want to write this 210 00:11:40.639 --> 00:11:45.240 book eventually. And so as back in twenty twelve, I 211 00:11:45.279 --> 00:11:49.080 think it was, I started interviewing people. So you're gonna 212 00:11:49.120 --> 00:11:53.840 hear interviews, some posthumous interviews later on, from Albert Ruddy 213 00:11:53.879 --> 00:11:58.320 who's no longer with us, from the co screenwriter who's 214 00:11:58.399 --> 00:12:01.039 no longer with us, from Gary Moore again, who thankfully 215 00:12:01.240 --> 00:12:04.519 is with us, and from Elliott who is also with us, 216 00:12:04.559 --> 00:12:07.480 thank goodness. So I'm sitting on all this stuff. Let's 217 00:12:07.679 --> 00:12:10.600 help share it with the podcast, and maybe you know, 218 00:12:10.720 --> 00:12:15.279 I can eventually massage these conversations into something as well, because, 219 00:12:16.080 --> 00:12:17.840 like I said, he's all over the map when it 220 00:12:17.879 --> 00:12:21.960 comes to this. And like this movie, it's just such 221 00:12:22.000 --> 00:12:24.480 a strange thing, Like you know, it feels like a 222 00:12:24.480 --> 00:12:26.600 family movie. But then you've got the whole thing of 223 00:12:26.679 --> 00:12:30.840 the gangsters again more comedic gangsters, but I'm talking about 224 00:12:30.879 --> 00:12:33.240 cutting off this poor kangaroo's tail and trying to take 225 00:12:33.279 --> 00:12:35.600 all these hits out on them. It's just this weird 226 00:12:35.919 --> 00:12:39.759 blend of like mobster and comedy and then sports, and 227 00:12:40.159 --> 00:12:42.840 it just tries to tick all these boxes. And there's 228 00:12:42.879 --> 00:12:45.039 so many big question marks for me, even things like 229 00:12:45.080 --> 00:12:48.200 I mentioned in the opening, It's like, where the hell 230 00:12:48.240 --> 00:12:51.559 does Clive Ravelle know Matilda from? Do they ever talk 231 00:12:51.600 --> 00:12:54.200 about that in the movie? I'm hoping that they talk 232 00:12:54.240 --> 00:12:55.039 about it in the book. 233 00:12:55.960 --> 00:12:59.840 I don't remember much about it in the book, to 234 00:12:59.840 --> 00:13:02.440 be honest, and maybe it just in those three hundred 235 00:13:02.519 --> 00:13:06.519 something pages. There's just too much for me to retain 236 00:13:06.720 --> 00:13:09.960 for one reading. But there's a lot of dropped floth 237 00:13:09.960 --> 00:13:12.799 threads in the movie, like the whole no no thing. 238 00:13:13.960 --> 00:13:17.200 Yeah, because I still kind of don't really and this 239 00:13:17.279 --> 00:13:19.320 is gonna sound bad for a movie that I'm talking 240 00:13:19.320 --> 00:13:21.480 about on my own show. But I don't understand the 241 00:13:21.480 --> 00:13:24.600 plot that much when it comes to like the whole 242 00:13:25.799 --> 00:13:29.720 Robert Mitcham character, because I was reading reviews and they're like, oh, yeah, 243 00:13:29.720 --> 00:13:32.320 the villain of the piece, Robert Mitcham, And I'm like, really, 244 00:13:32.440 --> 00:13:34.200 is he the villain of the piece because I thought 245 00:13:34.240 --> 00:13:37.399 he was just like a sports writer and somehow he's 246 00:13:37.480 --> 00:13:42.519 getting Gould and Revel to go along with his whole 247 00:13:42.559 --> 00:13:45.639 thing of like, yeah, keep trying to box these other people, 248 00:13:45.799 --> 00:13:49.440 and then I'm going to what blow the whistle on 249 00:13:49.639 --> 00:13:52.679 Uncle No No? And just how corrupt boxing is? Am 250 00:13:52.679 --> 00:13:53.720 I getting that right? 251 00:13:54.159 --> 00:13:59.039 I took it as like he was gonna out No 252 00:13:59.039 --> 00:14:01.840 No as like I don't know, well, that one makes 253 00:14:01.840 --> 00:14:04.320 sense either, like he was sort of like rigging the fights. 254 00:14:04.320 --> 00:14:05.519 But if he's rigging, I don't know. 255 00:14:05.840 --> 00:14:09.000 Yeah, it's he doesn't really know who Uncle No is. 256 00:14:09.879 --> 00:14:11.919 Oh really, Mitcham's not aware of No No. 257 00:14:12.879 --> 00:14:15.120 That's a good So that's something that's different in the 258 00:14:15.159 --> 00:14:18.679 movie in the book, And because in the book he's 259 00:14:18.799 --> 00:14:23.120 friendly with somebody unaware that he is Uncle No No. 260 00:14:23.600 --> 00:14:25.799 So Uncle no No isn't his Christian name. 261 00:14:25.919 --> 00:14:28.879 No that's that's his, like that's his like mafia name. 262 00:14:29.519 --> 00:14:32.320 Oh I thought for sure I'd look at his driver's license. 263 00:14:32.559 --> 00:14:34.559 Is say, you know, no, no comma uncle. 264 00:14:35.480 --> 00:14:37.559 But you know, it's like in the beginning of the 265 00:14:37.600 --> 00:14:41.759 movie he's talking about I want to do these matches 266 00:14:41.799 --> 00:14:44.279 so you know, we can get no no out. But 267 00:14:44.320 --> 00:14:46.799 then at the end they see each other at the 268 00:14:46.840 --> 00:14:49.279 boxing arena and they seem to know each. 269 00:14:49.080 --> 00:14:51.879 Other, and there's a whole thing of like the money's 270 00:14:51.919 --> 00:14:54.720 going to go to like the children's hospital or something too. 271 00:14:55.639 --> 00:14:59.120 Let's go back to Gould. Gould is like the wild 272 00:14:59.159 --> 00:15:02.480 card in this. It's like Revel we start, you know, well, 273 00:15:02.559 --> 00:15:07.120 first off, we start with Clive Revel greeting us and 274 00:15:07.240 --> 00:15:10.879 us going inside of his bar, which has a kangaroo 275 00:15:10.919 --> 00:15:13.679 on the outside, a big picture of Matilda on the inside, 276 00:15:13.960 --> 00:15:16.000 and he's talking to us and kind of setting us 277 00:15:16.120 --> 00:15:18.480 up with a framing device, which, thank goodness, actually come 278 00:15:18.559 --> 00:15:21.320 back to the frame later on in the movie, and 279 00:15:21.679 --> 00:15:25.120 he again he doesn't say where he picked this kangaroo up, 280 00:15:25.159 --> 00:15:28.559 because then we move into the story proper and the 281 00:15:28.600 --> 00:15:32.759 first thing we see is him and Matilda, and Matilda's 282 00:15:32.840 --> 00:15:34.960 just hopping down the street of New York City. We 283 00:15:34.960 --> 00:15:37.080 don't really know how they got there or anything. It 284 00:15:37.159 --> 00:15:38.799 just feels like they've been kind of dropped in the 285 00:15:38.960 --> 00:15:43.360 United States. And even though Revel I think he says 286 00:15:43.399 --> 00:15:46.639 that he's British, but he talks like an Irishman, and 287 00:15:47.080 --> 00:15:49.519 just with his look and everything, it feels like he's 288 00:15:49.559 --> 00:15:51.679 a leprechaun. I kept thinking that he was going to 289 00:15:51.679 --> 00:15:54.080 be a mystical creature. By the end of this movie. 290 00:15:54.840 --> 00:15:57.600 I was really repulsed by his performance because he supposed 291 00:15:57.639 --> 00:16:00.720 to be a former prize fighter, right, but he plays 292 00:16:00.759 --> 00:16:04.480 the character like he's nine years old, like you just 293 00:16:04.519 --> 00:16:08.320 walking around like he's like mister Goulda, Like he's like 294 00:16:08.399 --> 00:16:11.279 twisting his hat. It's like, I can't believe this guy 295 00:16:11.519 --> 00:16:12.279 ever fought. 296 00:16:12.519 --> 00:16:13.759 He seems like a dickensortion. 297 00:16:14.200 --> 00:16:14.440 Yeah. 298 00:16:14.679 --> 00:16:15.320 Yeah. 299 00:16:15.440 --> 00:16:17.960 Very soon after, we get the introduction that we've got 300 00:16:17.960 --> 00:16:22.120 the cops coming picking up Matilda taking the poor kangaroo 301 00:16:22.159 --> 00:16:26.440 to jail and kangaroo jail, I guess or dog jail, 302 00:16:27.039 --> 00:16:30.799 and then Revel is like, oh, well, you know, I 303 00:16:30.840 --> 00:16:34.320 need to find some help, and somehow he wanders into 304 00:16:35.440 --> 00:16:40.039 this I guess. It's what like a booking agency, which 305 00:16:40.080 --> 00:16:44.480 is run by, like you said, Lionel Standard as Pinky, 306 00:16:44.960 --> 00:16:48.480 I believe, and then his brother in law, this loser 307 00:16:48.559 --> 00:16:52.759 guy Gould, who will lie and cheat and do anything 308 00:16:52.799 --> 00:16:54.799 that he can in order to book these acts so 309 00:16:54.840 --> 00:16:56.279 he can get his cut of the money, is what 310 00:16:56.320 --> 00:16:59.799 I'm thinking. And he just sees dollar signs, So it's 311 00:16:59.799 --> 00:17:03.600 a weird gool. Is not a good guy in most 312 00:17:03.639 --> 00:17:07.000 of this movie because he's just being motivated by I 313 00:17:07.000 --> 00:17:10.240 think just money and fame is what it feels like, 314 00:17:10.240 --> 00:17:15.119 like there's not a lot of charity towards this kangaroo 315 00:17:15.400 --> 00:17:19.759 and the kangaroo's friend slash owner. But eventually he learns 316 00:17:19.799 --> 00:17:20.519 the power of love. 317 00:17:21.319 --> 00:17:23.359 Who wouldn't want the power of love if you can 318 00:17:23.359 --> 00:17:26.200 get a big hug and kiss from this kangaroo. 319 00:17:27.039 --> 00:17:29.880 I can't even imagine how bad that outfit must have smelled. 320 00:17:30.279 --> 00:17:32.759 Oh yeah, it definitely, it definitely smelled. 321 00:17:32.839 --> 00:17:33.960 Yeah. 322 00:17:34.000 --> 00:17:36.640 And what I read is they only had one outfit. 323 00:17:36.759 --> 00:17:40.680 Oh yeah, yeah, it's not like they had many kangaroo costumes. 324 00:17:40.720 --> 00:17:44.160 And it costs thirty thousand dollars in nineteen seventy eight 325 00:17:44.200 --> 00:17:46.920 money to make this costume for Gary Morgan. 326 00:17:46.799 --> 00:17:49.440 Stan Winstein, Right, is that right? 327 00:17:50.119 --> 00:17:50.200 Hey? 328 00:17:50.440 --> 00:17:53.920 I think one of the interviews said that it was 329 00:17:53.960 --> 00:17:58.279 Stan Winston and I will let me confirm that. 330 00:17:59.279 --> 00:18:02.880 And I no more says that he got the job 331 00:18:03.000 --> 00:18:05.720 because he fit the suit. He was kind of like 332 00:18:05.759 --> 00:18:08.279 the Johnny Bravo of the time. I think there was 333 00:18:08.319 --> 00:18:11.200 supposed to be a boxer inside of the suit to 334 00:18:11.200 --> 00:18:14.559 give it more verisimilitude, but he was like, no, you 335 00:18:14.559 --> 00:18:16.119 don't put a boxer in a suit. You put a 336 00:18:16.160 --> 00:18:18.039 mime inside of the suit because you have to be 337 00:18:18.160 --> 00:18:21.039 over exaggerating in your movements and stuff. You can't just, 338 00:18:21.519 --> 00:18:24.440 you know, expect somebody to get into this suit and 339 00:18:24.720 --> 00:18:26.039 actually give a performance. 340 00:18:26.319 --> 00:18:28.440 What was the deal with because I know at the 341 00:18:28.519 --> 00:18:31.920 end of the movie, that's when the ears move and 342 00:18:31.960 --> 00:18:36.400 the eyelids move. Like my theory is is that was 343 00:18:36.440 --> 00:18:39.720 the first scene they shot and after that it broke, 344 00:18:40.519 --> 00:18:42.920 So that's why it doesn't move the rest of the movie. 345 00:18:43.720 --> 00:18:46.200 Because he talks about the servos and stuff. I think 346 00:18:46.240 --> 00:18:49.000 he said there's like they weighed like fourteen pounds this 347 00:18:49.400 --> 00:18:52.759 headpiece when they had all the servos in there, and 348 00:18:52.799 --> 00:18:54.160 I'm like yeah, I. 349 00:18:54.640 --> 00:18:55.039 Was like you. 350 00:18:55.119 --> 00:18:58.720 I was like, when does he move? I don't remember that? 351 00:18:58.759 --> 00:19:00.519 And I was like, yeah, I think right to the end, 352 00:19:00.559 --> 00:19:03.640 I see like the eyelashes move and stuff, But yeah, 353 00:19:03.640 --> 00:19:05.880 it is not one of the know. It's a far 354 00:19:06.039 --> 00:19:09.240 cry from Amy the Gorilla from Congo, that's for sure. 355 00:19:09.759 --> 00:19:12.559 Going back to the interviews and just the articles and stuff. 356 00:19:12.559 --> 00:19:14.880 The other thing that was, and I don't believe this. 357 00:19:14.960 --> 00:19:17.880 I don't believe that this is true. The thing that 358 00:19:18.000 --> 00:19:21.599 I kept seeing was, oh, the critics were mad at 359 00:19:21.640 --> 00:19:24.880 Albert Ruddy because when he was promoting the film, he 360 00:19:24.960 --> 00:19:29.279 kept talking about how Matilda was being portrayed by an 361 00:19:29.359 --> 00:19:33.920 actor and a real kangaroo named Wammo. And when they 362 00:19:33.960 --> 00:19:37.079 found out there wasn't a real kangaroo in the movie, 363 00:19:37.200 --> 00:19:39.119 and there is, there's the joey at the end, but 364 00:19:39.200 --> 00:19:43.279 when the main character, when Matilda, the teacher to Matilda, 365 00:19:43.559 --> 00:19:48.759 is not being played by a kangaroo, the writers are saying, oh, 366 00:19:48.799 --> 00:19:51.880 and that's when the critics turned against them. And I'm like, 367 00:19:52.720 --> 00:19:58.279 I don't think so, Like, like did they just like 368 00:19:58.559 --> 00:20:00.720 read all that stuff and the pres notes and they 369 00:20:00.720 --> 00:20:03.839 were expecting walking into this movie a real kangaroo and 370 00:20:03.880 --> 00:20:08.119 then they were so desperately disappointed that they that's what 371 00:20:08.240 --> 00:20:10.960 turned them against this film. It's like such a minor 372 00:20:11.079 --> 00:20:13.359 quibble to be I'm like, Noah, what are you gonna do? 373 00:20:13.599 --> 00:20:16.200 You can't train an animal to box? That's like trying 374 00:20:16.200 --> 00:20:19.119 to teach Roy Clark how to act. Actually, I take 375 00:20:19.119 --> 00:20:21.119 it back. Roy Clark's probably one of my favorite parts. 376 00:20:21.240 --> 00:20:24.319 Yeah, I think he's delightful. Heck, fuzzy yourself or something. 377 00:20:24.799 --> 00:20:28.519 I'm just like stun at the level of confidence they 378 00:20:28.559 --> 00:20:31.880 had in this movie after they made it. We're I'm 379 00:20:31.920 --> 00:20:36.079 always stunned at This had its international premiere at Radio 380 00:20:36.119 --> 00:20:37.559 City Music Hall. 381 00:20:37.559 --> 00:20:41.079 Oh Culin even found the program, which was amazing, great 382 00:20:41.160 --> 00:20:41.680 job Colin. 383 00:20:41.799 --> 00:20:45.640 It was on ebit it it has all the orchestral 384 00:20:45.720 --> 00:20:49.960 pieces that are accompanying it and like little stage productions. 385 00:20:50.359 --> 00:20:51.279 It was a real show. 386 00:20:51.720 --> 00:20:54.279 Did the roquettes come out? And like like what was 387 00:20:54.319 --> 00:20:58.400 the whole like situation with that with like how what 388 00:20:58.599 --> 00:21:00.440 was did they show the movie? Have it in mission? 389 00:21:00.480 --> 00:21:02.599 And then like have you know rockets come out and 390 00:21:02.640 --> 00:21:03.359 do other stuff? 391 00:21:04.160 --> 00:21:07.000 So it opens up with the Music Hall Grand Organ. 392 00:21:07.880 --> 00:21:13.920 Second part is Matilda. Three is something called cheffone produced 393 00:21:13.960 --> 00:21:17.920 and directed by John Henry Jackson with costumes by Frank Spencer. 394 00:21:18.640 --> 00:21:22.599 And then that looks like it has multiple parts, an overture, 395 00:21:22.720 --> 00:21:26.759 Romanian Rhapsody Number one, the Radio City Music Hall Symphony Orchestra, 396 00:21:27.640 --> 00:21:33.000 Lamier Mystique, and Underwater Fantasy with the Music Hall Ballet Ensemble, 397 00:21:33.920 --> 00:21:38.039 a German vocal piece I can't pronounce it, something called 398 00:21:38.160 --> 00:21:43.599 I Am Woman with Tina Fabric and Eunice Nukkerk, something 399 00:21:43.680 --> 00:21:47.039 called Girls, Girls, Girls, the Radio City Music Hall Rockettes, 400 00:21:47.400 --> 00:21:50.039 and then a finale a salute to the two oh 401 00:21:50.079 --> 00:21:53.759 two of the USA, performed by the entire company. It's 402 00:21:53.799 --> 00:21:54.519 the heck of a show. 403 00:21:54.880 --> 00:21:57.480 Yeah, I guess, so Holy Cow, I mean, I guess. 404 00:21:57.839 --> 00:22:00.480 You know, if already wanted to do this movie big 405 00:22:00.640 --> 00:22:05.839 and starting in a radio city, he went from broke. 406 00:22:06.319 --> 00:22:09.440 Well, then all the tie ins, like also Cullen found 407 00:22:09.440 --> 00:22:13.480 a promotional item that was a Matilda themed like. 408 00:22:13.559 --> 00:22:15.119 Advantage the McConnell line. 409 00:22:15.759 --> 00:22:19.519 Yes, that's great. And then I didn't know until rereading 410 00:22:19.559 --> 00:22:21.640 stuff that there was supposed to be a tie in 411 00:22:21.720 --> 00:22:25.640 between McDonald's and this movie. And it's so obvious when 412 00:22:25.680 --> 00:22:29.920 you see, like there's this big training montage or fighting montage, 413 00:22:29.960 --> 00:22:32.880 and then it's like they suddenly just stopped the whole 414 00:22:32.920 --> 00:22:37.359 movie and they're all around one tray of McDonald's. 415 00:22:37.359 --> 00:22:39.680 One of the few things I love about Matilda. There's 416 00:22:39.839 --> 00:22:45.720 two montages. There's two montages and they both end with 417 00:22:45.839 --> 00:22:49.720 the dinner of McDonald's, and the second one has like 418 00:22:49.839 --> 00:22:52.759 Ellie Gould eighty yard I showed it. I showed my 419 00:22:52.799 --> 00:22:55.119 wife this so much. I love this, just him going 420 00:22:55.440 --> 00:22:58.880 he deserves it. As they're like feeding the fake kangaroo 421 00:22:58.960 --> 00:22:59.640 like a big. 422 00:22:59.519 --> 00:23:03.720 Mac and the kangaroo just like goes and says, this 423 00:23:03.799 --> 00:23:07.400 is a really good product. We've tried this out in Portugal, 424 00:23:08.079 --> 00:23:11.680 my native Australia. I mean, some people were saying, what 425 00:23:11.799 --> 00:23:15.000 if the kangaroo talked? Would that have made this movie 426 00:23:15.400 --> 00:23:18.839 different slash better? I kept thinking what would happen if 427 00:23:18.880 --> 00:23:22.839 the kangaroo was imaginary? I kept thinking of Harvey, But 428 00:23:22.880 --> 00:23:24.400 I'm like that wouldn't work either. 429 00:23:24.680 --> 00:23:28.559 So I love the scene where it stored the end 430 00:23:28.599 --> 00:23:31.799 and Elliot Gould is just sort of having like, you know, 431 00:23:31.839 --> 00:23:35.319 this moment where he's just like talking in the dark 432 00:23:35.480 --> 00:23:37.680 to Matilda and it's like trying to like get to 433 00:23:37.720 --> 00:23:40.720 the character. Because there's a couple of those in the novel. 434 00:23:40.720 --> 00:23:46.000 There's another one with a dupe, and I think they 435 00:23:46.039 --> 00:23:49.559 compare him to Matilda to having like a mona Lisa smile. 436 00:23:51.319 --> 00:23:53.640 I just love all these people just like trying to 437 00:23:53.680 --> 00:23:59.240 philosophize and like get into Matilda's brain and you never 438 00:23:59.240 --> 00:24:00.960 get what Matilda thinks about anything. 439 00:24:01.720 --> 00:24:05.599 I imagined that the Australians must have found this hysterical 440 00:24:05.599 --> 00:24:08.599 because I from what I understand, they look at kangaroos 441 00:24:08.599 --> 00:24:12.200 as being big rats, you know, just a menace. And 442 00:24:12.319 --> 00:24:15.440 meanwhile everybody is writing about this movie, going, that's not 443 00:24:15.519 --> 00:24:17.559 a kangaroo costume, it's a rabbit costume. 444 00:24:18.240 --> 00:24:21.079 Well, I mean, have you ever seen just like you're 445 00:24:21.119 --> 00:24:25.119 like videos of kangaroo is just attacking, They're like they're terrifying. 446 00:24:25.160 --> 00:24:27.519 They're just terrifying. I mean there's that one video of 447 00:24:27.599 --> 00:24:30.079 that I don't know. A woman had like a house 448 00:24:30.160 --> 00:24:32.640 that was just made of like glass and it was like, 449 00:24:32.680 --> 00:24:36.119 I guess, like one sided glass and there's like a 450 00:24:36.240 --> 00:24:39.920 kangaroo just like staring intensely as reflection, just like flexing 451 00:24:40.000 --> 00:24:46.480 and grunting, and they're just scary. And that's what I 452 00:24:46.519 --> 00:24:49.400 wrote Matilda's One Man's Noble Journey to Murder People of 453 00:24:49.480 --> 00:24:50.200 the Kangaroo. 454 00:24:51.000 --> 00:24:54.440 I mean, yeah, they are kind of frightening. Creatures and 455 00:24:54.480 --> 00:24:57.640 the way that they move and everything with their really 456 00:24:57.680 --> 00:25:00.400 more like on all fours a lot of the time too, 457 00:25:00.519 --> 00:25:03.440 and they'll just kind of move that way. But yeah, 458 00:25:03.720 --> 00:25:06.119 I've seen a lot. There's a little zoo by us 459 00:25:06.160 --> 00:25:09.480 that has a couple kangaroos, maybe a wallaby or two. 460 00:25:09.599 --> 00:25:14.440 But yeah, they're strange, strange looking animals, and this costume 461 00:25:14.559 --> 00:25:17.599 just I mean, it doesn't anthropomorphize it, but it definitely 462 00:25:17.640 --> 00:25:20.920 makes it a lot cuter than a real kangaroo would. 463 00:25:20.720 --> 00:25:21.279 Be, I think. 464 00:25:21.960 --> 00:25:24.799 But yeah, I don't mind the costume either. Sometimes the 465 00:25:24.839 --> 00:25:28.359 little like grunts and stuff that it does. Speaking of grunts, 466 00:25:28.720 --> 00:25:29.680 it's just kind of weird. 467 00:25:29.920 --> 00:25:31.680 Yeah, it. 468 00:25:33.279 --> 00:25:37.000 Reminded me of Gary the Snail from SpongeBob. So I 469 00:25:37.039 --> 00:25:40.480 guess the real thrust of the plot eventually becomes this 470 00:25:40.599 --> 00:25:44.759 whole idea of it helped me out here, fellas. It's 471 00:25:45.119 --> 00:25:48.839 that they're trying to get the kangaroo to box all 472 00:25:48.880 --> 00:25:53.359 these guys, and eventually it's at the behest of Duke 473 00:25:53.440 --> 00:25:58.720 the sports writer, the Robert Mitchum character, and that is 474 00:25:59.400 --> 00:26:01.759 seeing off the mob, pissing off uncle. 475 00:26:01.799 --> 00:26:02.000 No. 476 00:26:02.000 --> 00:26:05.240 No, well, it's because the first in the movie, the 477 00:26:05.279 --> 00:26:11.160 first about the actual you know, champion gets is drunk 478 00:26:11.200 --> 00:26:13.720 and goes into the ring and gets knocked out by Matilda. 479 00:26:14.519 --> 00:26:19.400 And then the article that Duke writes sort of humiliates 480 00:26:19.720 --> 00:26:22.319 Uncle No No, and he doesn't Uncle No No doesn't 481 00:26:22.359 --> 00:26:25.000 like to be humiliated in the press like that. But 482 00:26:25.079 --> 00:26:30.119 they hadn't been letting the fighter fight anybody to defend 483 00:26:30.119 --> 00:26:35.400 his title, and so they decided. Duke had this plan, 484 00:26:36.119 --> 00:26:39.920 send Matilda on a cross country road trip, you know, 485 00:26:40.000 --> 00:26:42.759 get a lot of publicity. I Meanwhile, he's going to 486 00:26:42.799 --> 00:26:44.880 try and come up with an event that's so big 487 00:26:45.559 --> 00:26:51.880 that No No can't afford to have his fighter not 488 00:26:52.039 --> 00:26:53.279 fight Matilda. 489 00:26:53.559 --> 00:26:58.000 And then he bets so much money and the Kangaroo 490 00:26:58.000 --> 00:27:00.640 has to take a dive. No, I'm just kidding. That's 491 00:27:00.640 --> 00:27:03.160 what I kept expecting to happen, was like there to 492 00:27:03.200 --> 00:27:06.400 be more intrigue around this fight and how the Kangaroo 493 00:27:06.440 --> 00:27:09.160 is either gonna win or not win, because there's this 494 00:27:09.200 --> 00:27:11.440 whole thing right towards the end of the movie where 495 00:27:11.960 --> 00:27:15.400 Clive Revelle, who really is kind of useless through a 496 00:27:15.400 --> 00:27:18.480 lot of this film, eventually says to Gould. He's like, oh, 497 00:27:18.759 --> 00:27:21.160 I'm so sorry. I should have told you this, but 498 00:27:21.200 --> 00:27:24.759 he says that in his little wee Irish accent, I 499 00:27:24.759 --> 00:27:27.319 should have told you this, but if you punch a kangaroo, 500 00:27:28.160 --> 00:27:31.200 it stops fighting and it never like fights again kind 501 00:27:31.200 --> 00:27:34.440 of thing. You're basically ruining this kangaroo if it gets punched. 502 00:27:34.559 --> 00:27:34.759 Is that? 503 00:27:35.119 --> 00:27:38.559 Is that true? Because I don't think that's true, Okay, 504 00:27:38.559 --> 00:27:40.880 because I for years I was telling people that as 505 00:27:40.920 --> 00:27:44.920 a fact, and only recently that I realized why am 506 00:27:44.960 --> 00:27:48.440 I treating this this like plot point for Matilda as 507 00:27:48.480 --> 00:27:51.599 a fact? Like, only recently I started doing that. 508 00:27:52.440 --> 00:27:55.759 I mean, I imagine they box each other, right, Yeah, 509 00:27:55.839 --> 00:27:58.119 so if you get if a kangaroo gets hit, it's 510 00:27:58.119 --> 00:28:02.279 probably gonna keep boxing, probably the next season or something, right, Yeah. 511 00:28:02.519 --> 00:28:05.720 Yeah, the intrigue about the final fight, that's a much 512 00:28:05.759 --> 00:28:08.880 bigger point in the novel. 513 00:28:09.119 --> 00:28:12.359 Oh, I'm sure. I'm sure. It feels like it just 514 00:28:12.440 --> 00:28:15.960 kind of floats on by. It's funny as we're watching. 515 00:28:16.200 --> 00:28:19.119 As we're talking right now, I am actually watching Matilda 516 00:28:19.319 --> 00:28:23.599 on my computer screen, and whatever this print of it is. 517 00:28:24.599 --> 00:28:29.039 It's wild because it is boom City all over the place, 518 00:28:29.160 --> 00:28:32.400 and I'm watching Gould, you know, entering the office of 519 00:28:32.839 --> 00:28:36.720 Duke of Robert Mitchum's and you can see baby spots 520 00:28:36.759 --> 00:28:38.920 in the upper right hand corner of the I mean, 521 00:28:38.960 --> 00:28:43.240 it is so blatantly obvious that they have these. I'm 522 00:28:43.279 --> 00:28:46.279 sure it's just the transfer. I'm sure it wasn't matted correctly. 523 00:28:46.880 --> 00:28:49.400 So I'm so glad that Criterion finally put out that 524 00:28:49.519 --> 00:28:52.279 four K that we can do. I just wish they 525 00:28:52.319 --> 00:28:54.880 would have sent me a screener copy of it. 526 00:28:55.680 --> 00:28:58.720 I didn't notice that in mine it's Majestic Films, it's 527 00:28:58.920 --> 00:29:00.319 it's a Region two D. 528 00:29:01.119 --> 00:29:03.559 Well, I'm sure they handled it way better than whatever 529 00:29:03.599 --> 00:29:05.680 I'm watching, which is probably a hopy off of a 530 00:29:05.759 --> 00:29:07.319 VHS tape. 531 00:29:07.480 --> 00:29:11.680 Yeah, this was nicely, nicely framed, clean print, good audio. 532 00:29:12.400 --> 00:29:15.039 Yeah, there's a couple of moments in either this print 533 00:29:15.119 --> 00:29:17.200 or the one I might have a different one because 534 00:29:17.200 --> 00:29:20.880 this doesn't start with a video logo. And there were 535 00:29:20.880 --> 00:29:23.640 so many moments where I'm just like, God, this looks 536 00:29:23.680 --> 00:29:27.079 like shit. That's just like it's so dark and just 537 00:29:28.000 --> 00:29:30.759 the shadows are way too much, and I'm just like, yeah, this, 538 00:29:31.400 --> 00:29:33.640 I really wish I was watching a better copy of this, 539 00:29:33.759 --> 00:29:35.920 which when I said that out loud to my wife, 540 00:29:36.000 --> 00:29:37.799 she was just like why are you watching this again? 541 00:29:37.920 --> 00:29:39.799 I'm like, honey, I have to. 542 00:29:40.559 --> 00:29:43.200 So when you're talking about sort of this middle part 543 00:29:43.200 --> 00:29:45.920 of the movie, there were a couple of bits in 544 00:29:45.960 --> 00:29:49.039 the book. I thought y'all would find a music if 545 00:29:49.079 --> 00:29:51.200 I can spoil the novel. 546 00:29:51.359 --> 00:29:52.880 I'm ready for the novel to be spoiled. 547 00:29:52.880 --> 00:29:56.240 Anybody listening that wants to read the book, you know, 548 00:29:56.279 --> 00:30:01.240 skip ahead. In Matilda's travels around the country, Matilda becomes 549 00:30:02.079 --> 00:30:07.240 an icon for hippies, and they like gravel to see Matilda. 550 00:30:07.599 --> 00:30:10.880 They like hold protests. It's just like an icon for 551 00:30:10.920 --> 00:30:16.960 the hippie movement. When Matilda is fighting in oh I 552 00:30:17.000 --> 00:30:19.240 can't know if it's in New York, but it must 553 00:30:19.279 --> 00:30:24.319 be in New York. The mob decides to hire somebody 554 00:30:24.799 --> 00:30:27.960 to give Matilda the evil eye. And apparently they're known 555 00:30:28.680 --> 00:30:33.240 for going to boxing matches looking at a fighter giving 556 00:30:33.359 --> 00:30:37.480 the evil eye, and the fighter loses. And so Elliott 557 00:30:37.519 --> 00:30:41.160 Gould goes over to Jersey and finds one of his 558 00:30:41.559 --> 00:30:45.880 elementary school classmates who was known for spitting beaties out 559 00:30:45.920 --> 00:30:49.559 of his mouth. And so this guy is planted in 560 00:30:49.640 --> 00:30:51.839 the front row and right before he can give the 561 00:30:51.880 --> 00:30:54.680 evil eye, the guy starts spitting Beaties and trying to 562 00:30:54.680 --> 00:30:55.559 blind this guy. 563 00:30:56.240 --> 00:30:57.559 Oh Jesus Christ. 564 00:30:59.160 --> 00:31:01.440 Galico is first actual novel. 565 00:31:01.839 --> 00:31:04.359 No So, he was a big sports writer in the 566 00:31:04.440 --> 00:31:08.720 twenties and thirties and then he trance switched to fiction. 567 00:31:09.640 --> 00:31:11.240 I think at the very end of the thirties. He 568 00:31:11.279 --> 00:31:15.240 want to know Henry Prize, he wrote the novel that 569 00:31:15.279 --> 00:31:18.680 The Poseidon Adventure was based on. I haven't read any 570 00:31:18.720 --> 00:31:21.480 of his other work. He was a successful writer. He 571 00:31:21.519 --> 00:31:24.920 wrote a book about Lou Garrig I want to say 572 00:31:24.960 --> 00:31:28.319 that was made into a movie in the forties. 573 00:31:28.880 --> 00:31:31.160 And I think he passed away right before this movie 574 00:31:31.240 --> 00:31:32.839 came out, or like two years before. 575 00:31:33.000 --> 00:31:33.559 Yeah, he did. 576 00:31:34.039 --> 00:31:36.200 Yeah, I knew he had done something and I couldn't 577 00:31:36.200 --> 00:31:38.400 remember what it was. But yeah, it's definitely The Poseidon 578 00:31:38.440 --> 00:31:39.799 Adventure is what I was thinking of. 579 00:31:40.279 --> 00:31:42.440 And that makes sense though, Like I was trying to 580 00:31:43.000 --> 00:31:47.000 think about, you know whatever. We're on a podcast with 581 00:31:47.119 --> 00:31:50.519 Richard Hadham. He always talks about It's like, would somebody 582 00:31:50.519 --> 00:31:53.920 have gotten fired for green lighting this movie? And I'm like, 583 00:31:54.519 --> 00:31:58.160 I really want to know when al Ruddy got the rights, 584 00:31:58.599 --> 00:32:02.359 because I'm like, oh, if in seventy two the Poseidon 585 00:32:02.440 --> 00:32:05.119 Adventure made like one hundred million dollars. 586 00:32:05.720 --> 00:32:06.319 I get it. 587 00:32:06.640 --> 00:32:10.079 Somebody probably just like, let's license all the Paul Gallaco. 588 00:32:10.440 --> 00:32:13.359 Well, it feels like this was a really personal project 589 00:32:13.400 --> 00:32:15.920 to Ready too. I mean, one, he agreed to talk 590 00:32:15.960 --> 00:32:18.559 to me about it, but two he's listed as the 591 00:32:18.559 --> 00:32:22.799 co writer on here. It sounds like he was the 592 00:32:22.799 --> 00:32:26.200 the biggest and like he would write other things. And actually, 593 00:32:26.640 --> 00:32:28.880 from what I understand, he gets a story credit for 594 00:32:28.920 --> 00:32:32.359 the Longest Yard, So like when he was producing, he 595 00:32:32.480 --> 00:32:34.640 definitely like tried to put his hands on a lot 596 00:32:34.680 --> 00:32:38.119 of stuff. And yeah, he's the co writer of this, 597 00:32:38.359 --> 00:32:40.880 so you know, he's you know, or at least credited 598 00:32:40.960 --> 00:32:44.319 as that and out there doing all of the press 599 00:32:44.319 --> 00:32:46.680 and all these things, like you know, the whole thing 600 00:32:46.680 --> 00:32:48.920 I was talking about how like oh we already lied 601 00:32:48.960 --> 00:32:52.279 to us about the real kangaroo. All right, great, but 602 00:32:52.480 --> 00:32:55.880 like it's not that typical for the producer to be 603 00:32:55.960 --> 00:32:58.799 out you know, shaking hands and kissing babies. It's more 604 00:32:58.920 --> 00:33:01.400 the director of the star those kind of things. 605 00:33:01.960 --> 00:33:04.000 I think you can kind of feel it, like, even 606 00:33:04.000 --> 00:33:06.880 if you don't like the movie, as we were saying, 607 00:33:06.920 --> 00:33:10.400 it's done really sincerely and earnestly, like there's a heart 608 00:33:10.480 --> 00:33:14.000 to it, and I kind of feel like the performers. 609 00:33:14.960 --> 00:33:16.680 To me, no one seemed to be phoning it in, 610 00:33:17.480 --> 00:33:20.680 you know, everyone seemed to be trying their best to 611 00:33:20.720 --> 00:33:25.279 be likable and charming. I enjoy the goofy gangsters, said 612 00:33:25.359 --> 00:33:28.400 Lenny Montana, who had been in the Godfather, and it 613 00:33:28.480 --> 00:33:31.000 was a bit of a real life mobster, and he 614 00:33:31.079 --> 00:33:32.079 was a wrestler before that. 615 00:33:32.240 --> 00:33:34.759 I think, I think you're right. Yeah, well, I was 616 00:33:34.759 --> 00:33:38.799 doing some research on The Godfather recently, and yeah, that 617 00:33:39.000 --> 00:33:41.039 rings really true. I think I've even seen a picture 618 00:33:41.079 --> 00:33:42.839 of him in his singlet. 619 00:33:43.200 --> 00:33:45.759 I like Mitcham's performance in this. I think it's really 620 00:33:45.839 --> 00:33:49.799 I always crack up the first time that Elliott Gould 621 00:33:50.000 --> 00:33:53.799 comes to his office and Elliott Gould introduces himself and 622 00:33:53.880 --> 00:33:56.000 Mitcham doesn't even look up from his desk. He's like, 623 00:33:56.200 --> 00:33:58.559 I know who you are, that's why you're here. There's 624 00:33:58.839 --> 00:34:01.839 something kind of matter of fact and funny about that. 625 00:34:02.759 --> 00:34:05.680 I'm surprised Alex Rocco isn't in this movie. This really 626 00:34:05.720 --> 00:34:08.599 seems that like up Alex Rocco's alley. You know, he 627 00:34:08.639 --> 00:34:10.679 did a lot of like weird stuff like this in 628 00:34:10.719 --> 00:34:12.760 the nineties towards the end of his career, especially when 629 00:34:12.760 --> 00:34:14.719 we did I think he did like two movies based 630 00:34:14.760 --> 00:34:17.960 on Jay Ward cartoons. So to me, it's like he's 631 00:34:18.039 --> 00:34:20.960 it's conspicuous in his absence that Alex Rocco is not in. 632 00:34:21.000 --> 00:34:24.320 This well, especially because he had the Godfather connection too. 633 00:34:24.559 --> 00:34:27.480 Exactly. Yeah, it's kind of a coup for. 634 00:34:27.480 --> 00:34:30.119 Me that they get Mitcham in here. I know, you know, 635 00:34:30.440 --> 00:34:33.360 in this part of his career he wasn't pumping out 636 00:34:33.360 --> 00:34:36.760 stellar work or whatever. But yeah, I'd like him in here. 637 00:34:37.119 --> 00:34:41.559 Amsterdam Kill is terrific, which is getting a nice big 638 00:34:41.599 --> 00:34:45.039 blue maybe even four K disc sometime in the next 639 00:34:45.039 --> 00:34:45.639 few months. 640 00:34:46.480 --> 00:34:50.199 A lot of people were complaining, Oh, Mitcham just sleeps 641 00:34:50.280 --> 00:34:52.679 walks his way through this, and I'm like, I don't know. 642 00:34:52.880 --> 00:34:55.400 I think it's fine, absolutely fine. I mean, they don't 643 00:34:55.400 --> 00:34:57.639 give him much to work with, right, And have you 644 00:34:57.679 --> 00:35:00.280 ever seen Robert Mitcham be super excited? I did a 645 00:35:00.320 --> 00:35:03.079 bouncing off the wall. I have never seen that the 646 00:35:03.159 --> 00:35:05.000 man's middle name is Laconic. 647 00:35:05.800 --> 00:35:09.719 I kept thinking about the title of the biography about 648 00:35:09.760 --> 00:35:12.760 a baby I don't care, and then what's the other line? 649 00:35:13.599 --> 00:35:16.760 Someone asked him what he thought about his own performances, 650 00:35:16.760 --> 00:35:19.079 and he said they tade me to make him not 651 00:35:19.159 --> 00:35:19.719 to watch him. 652 00:35:20.639 --> 00:35:23.800 Do you guys think that Elliott Gould walking all those 653 00:35:23.880 --> 00:35:27.760 dogs in order to meet up with the ASPCA lady again? 654 00:35:28.039 --> 00:35:31.000 Is that a reference to Move? Do you think everybody 655 00:35:31.000 --> 00:35:33.280 here has seen Elliott Gould's film Move? 656 00:35:33.519 --> 00:35:37.039 I haven't, but I did listen to the episode. 657 00:35:37.599 --> 00:35:40.639 Maybe that was his like see an nex Wednesday. Like 658 00:35:40.679 --> 00:35:43.159 maybe maybe if we go back to all his movies, 659 00:35:43.159 --> 00:35:44.800 we've seen him like with a bunch of dogs. 660 00:35:45.000 --> 00:35:48.199 You know, we just never realized that. Yeah, you mentioned 661 00:35:48.280 --> 00:35:51.480 Art Matronto before. I always love seeing Art Matronto show 662 00:35:51.559 --> 00:35:52.239 up and stuff. 663 00:35:52.760 --> 00:35:52.960 You know. 664 00:35:53.039 --> 00:35:57.199 You know what's crazy about Art Matrano. Right before his 665 00:35:57.280 --> 00:36:01.079 unfortunate accident, he went to Germany and he's starting a 666 00:36:01.119 --> 00:36:06.199 comedy as his character from police Academy. He's not named it. 667 00:36:06.199 --> 00:36:09.679 It's not like common I think it was like Ouser Mauser. 668 00:36:10.440 --> 00:36:13.760 They can't legally say it Sam. It's just they say, oh, 669 00:36:13.840 --> 00:36:17.599 he's been retired from the Academy in the movie, and 670 00:36:17.639 --> 00:36:21.639 he's basically playing like an unlicensed commed at Mauser. Yeah, 671 00:36:22.039 --> 00:36:25.079 I forget the name of the German movie. I had 672 00:36:25.119 --> 00:36:25.920 and I lost it. 673 00:36:25.960 --> 00:36:28.039 But yeah, you mean you had the Blu Ray, the 674 00:36:28.039 --> 00:36:29.639 four K of it, and then he lost that. 675 00:36:29.880 --> 00:36:32.719 I had the four K of the Criterion. Yeah, the 676 00:36:32.760 --> 00:36:35.639 Eclipse Edition of all the art but Toronto off license 677 00:36:35.840 --> 00:36:37.800 Police Academy ways, I mean. 678 00:36:37.840 --> 00:36:40.840 And the ending, from what I understand, is very different 679 00:36:41.000 --> 00:36:44.000 between book and movie, and it sounds like they had 680 00:36:44.039 --> 00:36:46.719 a lot of discussions about how they're going to end 681 00:36:46.719 --> 00:36:47.239 this thing. 682 00:36:48.079 --> 00:36:51.480 So in the movie, at the big you know, the 683 00:36:51.519 --> 00:36:57.679 final showdown, Matilda does get punched, and Matilda then doesn't 684 00:36:57.719 --> 00:36:59.960 curl themto a ball, but kind of, you know, retreat 685 00:37:00.119 --> 00:37:04.079 and looks like totally sad, and the other fighter is 686 00:37:04.519 --> 00:37:07.800 going in for more punches and Elliott Gould frows in 687 00:37:07.880 --> 00:37:12.280 the towel and then Uttilda hugs everybody, including the other fighter, 688 00:37:12.920 --> 00:37:15.079 and I love all the Matilda hugs in the movie. 689 00:37:15.840 --> 00:37:17.599 I don't know, this makes me feel warm and Fozzi, 690 00:37:17.639 --> 00:37:20.519 I like that. And so then there's the sort of 691 00:37:20.559 --> 00:37:26.639 epilogue you find out that No No bought Matilda and 692 00:37:26.679 --> 00:37:28.880 then he you know, sort of retired from the mob. 693 00:37:29.000 --> 00:37:32.760 Now he's in South America raising kangaroos. You know, the 694 00:37:32.800 --> 00:37:35.960 Fighter is now being managed by Elliott Gould. He married 695 00:37:35.960 --> 00:37:39.719 the one from the SPCA. And that is not the 696 00:37:39.800 --> 00:37:42.239 ending of the book at all, you know, sort of 697 00:37:42.239 --> 00:37:45.119 when you were talking about, you know, this idea about 698 00:37:45.159 --> 00:37:50.880 throwing the fights, that's the big reveal that all, along 699 00:37:51.840 --> 00:37:54.119 with the exception of the first and last fights, everything 700 00:37:54.159 --> 00:37:57.559 had been staged and the Duke character had been left 701 00:37:57.559 --> 00:38:00.760 out of that. You know, Matilda's trainer, you know Baker 702 00:38:01.400 --> 00:38:04.239 and Elliott Gould, they were in on it the entire time. 703 00:38:04.280 --> 00:38:07.440 They paid all of the other fighters to take a dive, 704 00:38:08.440 --> 00:38:12.719 and they sort of used Elliot Gould or his character 705 00:38:12.760 --> 00:38:15.519 in the novel, used this as a way to sort 706 00:38:15.519 --> 00:38:20.079 of sell Matilda to No No. Four million dollars against 707 00:38:20.320 --> 00:38:25.079 Baker's wishes. So there's a lot more sort of con 708 00:38:25.159 --> 00:38:28.360 artistry going on at the end. And then when Duke 709 00:38:28.440 --> 00:38:33.360 finds this out, he is like, wait, so I've spent 710 00:38:33.400 --> 00:38:36.960 this entire novel trying to like out a gangster to 711 00:38:37.000 --> 00:38:40.840 make boxing less corrupt, and now I've been part of 712 00:38:40.840 --> 00:38:44.480 this whole corrupt thing myself. And then there's also it's 713 00:38:44.480 --> 00:38:49.360 a little sad because Baker, you know, the Bermansey kid, 714 00:38:50.320 --> 00:38:53.960 he did not want to sell Matilda, but there was 715 00:38:54.000 --> 00:38:58.599 another co owner and they outvoted him. And when he 716 00:38:58.719 --> 00:39:02.360 tried to go to No Nos property to say goodbye 717 00:39:02.440 --> 00:39:05.960 to Matilda, Matilda like didn't want to see him. He 718 00:39:06.000 --> 00:39:09.199 was like mad at him. So it's it's a bit 719 00:39:09.239 --> 00:39:12.559 more of an emotional and dramatic roller coaster. 720 00:39:13.440 --> 00:39:15.719 We should note for the audience listening at home, who 721 00:39:15.800 --> 00:39:21.079 are just rabid Matilda heads. Matila is a boy is 722 00:39:21.119 --> 00:39:25.320 a male kangaroo, which lends itself to a few jokes 723 00:39:25.360 --> 00:39:28.719 throughout the movie and is also very difficult to remember 724 00:39:28.719 --> 00:39:31.199 when you're talking about a character named Matilda. And the 725 00:39:31.280 --> 00:39:35.719 reason I'm constantly calling these characters by their names, by 726 00:39:35.760 --> 00:39:38.400 the actors' names is just because it's very confusing when 727 00:39:38.440 --> 00:39:42.679 you have Gould playing Bernie Bonelli and Clive Ravel playing 728 00:39:42.719 --> 00:39:47.760 Billy Baker and even like freaking Roy Clark is while 729 00:39:47.800 --> 00:39:50.960 Bill Wildman. It's like, I don't need all the bees 730 00:39:51.199 --> 00:39:53.440 going on here. So I don't know why they were 731 00:39:53.920 --> 00:39:56.519 focused in on those for character names, but it makes 732 00:39:56.559 --> 00:39:59.360 it very confusing if you try to start calling these 733 00:39:59.360 --> 00:40:02.559 by you know, Billy and Bernie. And there was also 734 00:40:02.599 --> 00:40:04.280 it was a name change from the book too. If 735 00:40:04.320 --> 00:40:07.480 memory serves, the names work well on the page, they 736 00:40:08.519 --> 00:40:12.559 pop and they have character and the Matilda is called 737 00:40:12.599 --> 00:40:16.159 Matilda because of the song Waltzing Matilda, which I don't 738 00:40:16.159 --> 00:40:18.920 think they explain in the movie. No, though they do 739 00:40:18.960 --> 00:40:23.280 play waltson Matilda at the final match, I think right. 740 00:40:23.920 --> 00:40:27.400 And otherwise, the song the main song in the movie 741 00:40:27.679 --> 00:40:33.199 is this pretty bad song by Pat Boone and Debbie Boone. 742 00:40:33.840 --> 00:40:36.000 I don't think that there's ever been a soundtrack out 743 00:40:36.039 --> 00:40:39.880 for this. Otherwise you would hear that kind of off 744 00:40:39.960 --> 00:40:43.199 tuned Godfather song that they play whenever the mobsters are 745 00:40:43.239 --> 00:40:43.760 on screen. 746 00:40:49.960 --> 00:40:53.480 I remember when I asked the animal for his altogresh, 747 00:40:53.960 --> 00:40:56.199 you got just enough time to do what you gotta do. 748 00:40:56.719 --> 00:41:01.320 They we get the call we're gone, and the Dutch gabby. 749 00:41:01.920 --> 00:41:05.400 I've sposter. Don't so your stool, No no, no. 750 00:41:05.480 --> 00:41:06.239 No, no, no stool. 751 00:41:06.480 --> 00:41:12.519 I'm just checking why you always get upset about its. 752 00:41:14.320 --> 00:41:14.920 I love. 753 00:41:20.480 --> 00:41:20.679 God. 754 00:41:20.800 --> 00:41:24.760 I love the sort of goofy mob talk, you know 755 00:41:25.039 --> 00:41:30.599 when they just half go into Italian just randomly. And 756 00:41:30.719 --> 00:41:34.480 I really do enjoy all the attempted hits, like when uh, 757 00:41:35.039 --> 00:41:38.360 you know, Lenny's got the axe and then he like 758 00:41:38.679 --> 00:41:41.039 it's like part of like a ladder, it's on a 759 00:41:41.280 --> 00:41:44.920 car and then the hand the head flies off and 760 00:41:45.039 --> 00:41:47.159 hits somebody else that he hits the ground and it 761 00:41:47.280 --> 00:41:50.239 comes back and hits him in the head. You know, 762 00:41:50.360 --> 00:41:55.239 it's it's goofy slapstick. But maybe I'm a cheek date, 763 00:41:55.440 --> 00:41:56.400 but it made me laugh. 764 00:41:57.119 --> 00:42:00.199 Well, I liked I really like Harry Gardeno when like 765 00:42:00.320 --> 00:42:03.519 he's really like swinging for the fences in this like 766 00:42:03.719 --> 00:42:08.199 just like this, you know, exasperated intensity, just like him. 767 00:42:08.320 --> 00:42:12.480 Yuh Like again, I'm not really seeing this thing three times, 768 00:42:12.519 --> 00:42:14.440 so this is crazy for me, says I don't like 769 00:42:14.559 --> 00:42:17.480 this movie, but I like I like him in it. 770 00:42:17.639 --> 00:42:20.159 I just I like his performance in front of the 771 00:42:20.599 --> 00:42:23.039 the Last Supper the Last Supper that's right, the Last 772 00:42:23.079 --> 00:42:26.079 Supper mural. Yeah, I mean that's a pretty power move 773 00:42:26.119 --> 00:42:28.400 if you're going to like be like decorating your office. 774 00:42:29.519 --> 00:42:33.920 The scene though, that really left me queasy, was Roberta. 775 00:42:34.039 --> 00:42:38.079 Collins as this Kanye six who's this I guess she's 776 00:42:38.159 --> 00:42:41.079 Schoold's girlfriend in this movie and she just shows up 777 00:42:41.519 --> 00:42:46.960 very rarely. But when when Gardino busts the coke bottle 778 00:42:47.000 --> 00:42:50.800 and slashes her face with it, and he's like her, 779 00:42:50.960 --> 00:42:53.400 I like and turns to Gould says, I don't even 780 00:42:53.559 --> 00:42:55.840 like you. I mean that was that was really intense. 781 00:43:00.440 --> 00:43:03.480 No one gets the wong goodbye joke. Come on, guys. 782 00:43:05.320 --> 00:43:06.400 That went about my head. 783 00:43:06.440 --> 00:43:09.400 I'm just like this like a different cut of the movie. 784 00:43:09.519 --> 00:43:10.440 That's what I was thinking. 785 00:43:10.519 --> 00:43:12.079 I thought it was like, I kind of want to 786 00:43:12.119 --> 00:43:15.400 see this print. Yeah, Mike, I believe everything you say. 787 00:43:15.519 --> 00:43:17.880 So when you start talking, I'm like, did I miss 788 00:43:18.000 --> 00:43:18.679 this scene? 789 00:43:18.920 --> 00:43:19.519 Oh yeah? 790 00:43:19.679 --> 00:43:23.239 And then Arnold Schwarzenegger is there and they and googled 791 00:43:23.280 --> 00:43:23.960 makes some strip. 792 00:43:24.880 --> 00:43:25.039 Yeah. 793 00:43:25.079 --> 00:43:28.519 I didn't get the I mean, he's her agent. There 794 00:43:28.800 --> 00:43:32.320 seems to be a little something, but like he doesn't 795 00:43:32.480 --> 00:43:38.559 really seem to be boyfriend material, and so I sort of, yeah, 796 00:43:38.599 --> 00:43:40.559 I didn't assume that there was much. I sort of 797 00:43:40.840 --> 00:43:42.800 to me, it was just like, Oh, he's buttering up 798 00:43:42.960 --> 00:43:46.360 because you know, he needs money in order to pay 799 00:43:46.480 --> 00:43:49.039 for this. I guess he's taking an advance on her 800 00:43:49.119 --> 00:43:53.679 salary so he can use that at the boxing match 801 00:43:53.880 --> 00:43:57.559 to lure people from the audience win five hundred bucks 802 00:43:57.599 --> 00:44:00.639 if you can stand, you know, ten rounds with Matilda. 803 00:44:01.320 --> 00:44:05.599 But then she's also there to butter up Doacrity with 804 00:44:05.800 --> 00:44:10.159 her feminine wiles. Right, Yes, Hey, that's how he lures 805 00:44:10.400 --> 00:44:12.760 the fighter to come into the ring. 806 00:44:12.960 --> 00:44:16.320 Yeah, so that's like planned in the book, it's all 807 00:44:16.400 --> 00:44:21.440 by accident, Like Matilda's out of town, the fighter is 808 00:44:21.559 --> 00:44:25.719 out of town using his real name, and then Duke 809 00:44:26.880 --> 00:44:30.719 happened to be traveling and like was like stranded in 810 00:44:30.800 --> 00:44:33.519 this town. So it was all coincidence that they were there, 811 00:44:33.840 --> 00:44:36.760 and he just happened to recognize the fighter even though 812 00:44:36.800 --> 00:44:38.239 he wasn't using his stage name. 813 00:44:39.000 --> 00:44:41.239 It kills me. This was based on a book, but 814 00:44:41.360 --> 00:44:46.880 not just a book that's extremely complicated and convoluted. It's 815 00:44:47.000 --> 00:44:48.000 so funny to me. 816 00:44:48.880 --> 00:44:51.199 Well, that's what I found interesting about that interview with him, 817 00:44:51.199 --> 00:44:53.559 where he was, you know, sort of just talking. It's 818 00:44:53.599 --> 00:44:57.119 just like I'm just spending yarns and just telling stories. 819 00:44:57.199 --> 00:45:00.519 And this really does just feel like you go into 820 00:45:00.519 --> 00:45:03.280 a bar in New York and some you know, old 821 00:45:03.360 --> 00:45:07.280 timer just sits down and just starts talking story after story, 822 00:45:07.320 --> 00:45:10.519 and it keeps rolling and rolling, and it's like, do 823 00:45:10.599 --> 00:45:13.199 you know where you're going with this? Because each of 824 00:45:13.280 --> 00:45:16.519 the you know, chapters like it's a good yarn, but 825 00:45:17.519 --> 00:45:19.800 I could see this going on for another one hundred pages. 826 00:45:21.119 --> 00:45:23.920 They do it all at Clive Ravel's bar because he's 827 00:45:24.000 --> 00:45:26.599 kind of that character. I guess he's the in control 828 00:45:26.679 --> 00:45:29.360 of the narrative really, even though he's like one of 829 00:45:29.400 --> 00:45:32.719 the most minor characters in the film. It's like Uncle 830 00:45:32.800 --> 00:45:35.480 No is bigger character than Billy. 831 00:45:35.559 --> 00:45:38.599 I'd say, I'd say Pinky's a bigger character than Billy. 832 00:45:38.960 --> 00:45:42.280 Yeah, we didn't really tie that knot that Lionel Stander 833 00:45:43.199 --> 00:45:47.719 knows Uncle No and is there at all these mob 834 00:45:47.840 --> 00:45:52.360 meetings and so he eventually like gets gooled out of 835 00:45:52.440 --> 00:45:55.960 the office and all this. That's before Uncle No does 836 00:45:56.039 --> 00:46:00.199 the the whole thing about how many touch points a 837 00:46:00.559 --> 00:46:04.960 fighter has a human has versus a kangaroo, which is 838 00:46:05.079 --> 00:46:08.119 just like these guys cannot get any dumber. 839 00:46:09.000 --> 00:46:13.880 Here we have our chant Dockety observed he is a 840 00:46:14.079 --> 00:46:19.599 human being. He has two legs. Huh see the dots 841 00:46:20.519 --> 00:46:29.159 one two repeat one two. All right, now here we 842 00:46:29.320 --> 00:46:33.119 have our kangaroo. Now can you tell me the. 843 00:46:33.159 --> 00:46:34.159 Difference, Markanti? 844 00:46:35.760 --> 00:46:41.719 It's got a tail. But that's beautiful, Marchanti, that's beautiful, beautiful, 845 00:46:42.440 --> 00:46:47.519 all right, But not just a tail, not just the tail, Banaco, 846 00:46:48.159 --> 00:46:49.440 what else do you see? 847 00:46:51.360 --> 00:46:52.760 He just got a long tad? 848 00:46:56.440 --> 00:46:57.840 What else do you see huh. 849 00:47:00.239 --> 00:47:02.599 Oh got skinny lins. 850 00:47:03.800 --> 00:47:07.039 No, you're really it. He's got an extra dot. He's 851 00:47:07.039 --> 00:47:10.320 got three dots. This kangaroo has been fighting with three 852 00:47:10.559 --> 00:47:17.920 dots one two three, one two three while doc and 853 00:47:17.960 --> 00:47:23.000 he's only fighting with two dots one two, one two. 854 00:47:23.760 --> 00:47:24.360 That ain't fair. 855 00:47:24.440 --> 00:47:25.639 I'm gonna call a commission. 856 00:47:26.400 --> 00:47:28.960 And what are you gonna tell the commission about the 857 00:47:29.079 --> 00:47:29.679 extra debt? 858 00:47:30.800 --> 00:47:31.960 You stupid? 859 00:47:33.039 --> 00:47:35.199 A scene like that is where it really feels like 860 00:47:35.280 --> 00:47:36.880 this is like a movie of the week. 861 00:47:37.639 --> 00:47:40.159 Yeah, And that's the thing. The versions that I've seen, 862 00:47:40.239 --> 00:47:43.079 I haven't seen that nice DVD that you've got. The 863 00:47:43.199 --> 00:47:46.159 versions I've seen, it just has that look to it 864 00:47:46.519 --> 00:47:49.199 just looks cheap most of the time. And I know 865 00:47:49.519 --> 00:47:51.800 a lot of that comes from bad transfers, because I've 866 00:47:51.800 --> 00:47:54.559 seen a lot of movies that I grew up with 867 00:47:54.840 --> 00:47:56.880 and they just look cheap. And then you finally see 868 00:47:56.880 --> 00:47:59.400 a nice version, You're like, oh wow, this looks like 869 00:47:59.440 --> 00:48:00.239 a real movie now. 870 00:48:01.039 --> 00:48:02.760 I mean, I can I can send you this DVD 871 00:48:02.840 --> 00:48:05.840 and we can do another episode next year. Midfilda one 872 00:48:05.920 --> 00:48:06.559 year later. 873 00:48:07.320 --> 00:48:10.760 Matilda Reducks. I'm too busy working on my my next 874 00:48:10.880 --> 00:48:12.239 Megalopolis episode. 875 00:48:13.199 --> 00:48:13.559 I'm trying. 876 00:48:13.599 --> 00:48:16.039 I'm still trying to see that. It didn't stick around 877 00:48:16.119 --> 00:48:20.880 New York very long. And it occasionally shows up, but 878 00:48:21.079 --> 00:48:23.800 it'll be at like ten o'clock at night somewhere and 879 00:48:23.920 --> 00:48:24.800 it always sells out. 880 00:48:25.480 --> 00:48:27.360 Oh yeah, well, and that's past my bedtime. 881 00:48:27.400 --> 00:48:28.320 I don't know about yours. 882 00:48:28.400 --> 00:48:30.679 Oh no, I mean this is this is actually about 883 00:48:30.719 --> 00:48:31.679 my bedtime right now. 884 00:48:32.760 --> 00:48:35.880 Does every screen of Megalopolos have that guy in the audience? 885 00:48:35.920 --> 00:48:37.920 Ask them the question, do they have to have that 886 00:48:37.960 --> 00:48:38.719 guy in the audience? 887 00:48:39.599 --> 00:48:43.159 No, In most prints that you see don't get you 888 00:48:43.280 --> 00:48:45.760 get the guy in the audience, but the audience. 889 00:48:45.440 --> 00:48:48.320 Is on the movie screen. Oh okay, okay, I was 890 00:48:48.360 --> 00:48:51.760 wondering how they work that out at every screening. Okay, yeah, 891 00:48:52.159 --> 00:48:55.559 it's a it's not really well integrated. 892 00:48:56.559 --> 00:48:57.440 I've seen the clip. 893 00:48:57.519 --> 00:48:57.960 It isn't. 894 00:48:59.119 --> 00:49:00.880 Yeah, yeah, I've. 895 00:49:00.760 --> 00:49:04.719 Seen the clip of this where they actually were using 896 00:49:04.800 --> 00:49:10.119 the Alexa technology to answer the questions and yeah, that's rough. 897 00:49:10.440 --> 00:49:14.480 Just how long it takes for Adam Driver to respond. 898 00:49:15.400 --> 00:49:16.960 All right, guys, let's go ahead and take a break, 899 00:49:17.000 --> 00:49:18.760 and we're going to come back with that whole slew 900 00:49:18.800 --> 00:49:21.239 of interviews I was talking about. First up, we will 901 00:49:21.360 --> 00:49:24.639 hear from producer Albert s Ready. After that, we'll hear 902 00:49:24.719 --> 00:49:30.079 from screenwriter Timothy Galfis, then Matilda himself, Gary Morgan, and 903 00:49:30.360 --> 00:49:33.320 finally Elliott Gould. And we'll be back with all of 904 00:49:33.400 --> 00:49:37.960 that right after these brief messages. Looking for something superior 905 00:49:37.960 --> 00:49:40.199 to streaming, a place with more than five times the 906 00:49:40.280 --> 00:49:43.760 selection available on all of the other streaming services combined, 907 00:49:44.239 --> 00:49:47.440 check out Scarecrow Videos Rent by mail service. Select from 908 00:49:47.480 --> 00:49:50.960 an unparalleled collection of over one hundred and fifty thousand 909 00:49:51.079 --> 00:49:54.880 films and get Blu rays, four case and DVDs delivered 910 00:49:54.960 --> 00:49:57.840 directly to your door. Get in on it now at 911 00:49:57.920 --> 00:50:01.199 scarecrow dot com and rediscover the one of physical media. 912 00:50:01.880 --> 00:50:04.280 All right, welcome to the interview portion of the show. 913 00:50:04.400 --> 00:50:06.400 First up, we are going to hear from a producer, 914 00:50:06.639 --> 00:50:07.360 Al Ruddy. 915 00:50:07.880 --> 00:50:10.119 I'm not sure how many questions you get about Matilda 916 00:50:10.239 --> 00:50:12.719 versus The Godfather or some of these other films that 917 00:50:12.800 --> 00:50:15.239 you've done. I'm sure you get a few more about that. 918 00:50:16.119 --> 00:50:20.239 I can only tell you this, Eli Gould as an 919 00:50:20.320 --> 00:50:25.000 actor and as a human being is truly outstanding in 920 00:50:25.119 --> 00:50:29.440 my in my all my relationship with Elie, both socially 921 00:50:29.880 --> 00:50:34.000 and professly has always been. I have enormous respect for 922 00:50:34.039 --> 00:50:37.519 Eliot Gold and I actually liked the guy a lot, 923 00:50:38.280 --> 00:50:40.280 and I can't say that for most people in this 924 00:50:40.440 --> 00:50:44.280 goddamn town. He moves ahead, always on a certain thing. 925 00:50:44.320 --> 00:50:47.440 There's no he won't set you out, there no real 926 00:50:47.599 --> 00:50:51.079 compromise in what he does. There's a purity and how 927 00:50:51.119 --> 00:50:53.880 he thinks about life and the people that mean something 928 00:50:53.960 --> 00:50:57.880 to him. He's an amazing, amazing man. And I'm sure 929 00:50:57.960 --> 00:51:01.360 that you'll find a lot of more interesting things to 930 00:51:01.440 --> 00:51:04.719 write about Eliot gouldan Matilda, I might put it to 931 00:51:04.719 --> 00:51:09.039 you this way. Matilda was a movie for one big reason, 932 00:51:09.039 --> 00:51:11.679 which I'm going to get into. It didn't work, and 933 00:51:11.880 --> 00:51:13.960 not often I could say that when I recount the 934 00:51:14.039 --> 00:51:17.599 movies that didn't work in my life, the highlight of 935 00:51:17.760 --> 00:51:21.159 the things that happened that were unattractive, the nicest thing 936 00:51:21.480 --> 00:51:25.000 all the disasters was having worked with Elliot Gould. He 937 00:51:25.199 --> 00:51:30.400 made it all worthwhile. That's how special he is to me. Yeah, 938 00:51:30.440 --> 00:51:34.400 he's amazing. What happened to Matilda's old Gallaga wrote a 939 00:51:34.480 --> 00:51:40.719 marvelous book called Matilda, the story of a hustler who 940 00:51:40.840 --> 00:51:44.239 finds the world's greatest botch in kangaroo and he gets 941 00:51:44.280 --> 00:51:48.800 his girlfriend to take the heavyweight champ of the world, 942 00:51:48.800 --> 00:51:54.679 who's infatuated with this girl, to the circus and Elias said, 943 00:51:54.719 --> 00:51:58.480 with Matilda blah blah blah, and they're gonna come and 944 00:51:58.599 --> 00:52:01.239 fight the kangaroo from an She gets the champ to 945 00:52:01.320 --> 00:52:05.320 go in, and the kangaroo knocks the champ down and 946 00:52:05.519 --> 00:52:06.400 becomes headline. 947 00:52:06.639 --> 00:52:08.519 Now Elliot Gould turns. 948 00:52:08.320 --> 00:52:12.000 Us into a huge media event where suddenly the whole 949 00:52:12.079 --> 00:52:15.639 world is saying, and this fucking kangaroo beat Muhammad Ali 950 00:52:15.760 --> 00:52:19.679 or whoever the champ was, and they boomed into the 951 00:52:19.840 --> 00:52:25.199 world heavyweight championship fight between Matilda and the chat. The 952 00:52:25.280 --> 00:52:28.679 script is great, everything's great, And now I have an 953 00:52:28.760 --> 00:52:33.199 animal trainer in New Jersey, world famous animal trainer's name 954 00:52:33.239 --> 00:52:36.719 I forget and probably dead by now finds me in 955 00:52:36.760 --> 00:52:41.199 the world's greatest boxing kangaroo. Honestly, God that all this 956 00:52:41.400 --> 00:52:44.679 is the Muhammad Ali of boxing kangaroos. 957 00:52:46.239 --> 00:52:47.000 This is brilliant. 958 00:52:47.960 --> 00:52:50.440 I said, oh great, I've gotting this thing ready. Now 959 00:52:50.559 --> 00:52:54.599 we're opening the movie with the fight in the arena 960 00:52:54.800 --> 00:52:58.599 with Jerry Quarry and the kangaroo, with two thousand extras 961 00:52:58.679 --> 00:53:03.159 it's our big right. Don't ask me what motivated me 962 00:53:03.280 --> 00:53:05.599 to tell my director Danny Man. You know, Danny, maybe 963 00:53:05.760 --> 00:53:08.880 put it check and see how the kangaroo is coming along, 964 00:53:09.360 --> 00:53:11.880 because it's going to be shooting in two weeks. Three 965 00:53:11.960 --> 00:53:14.239 weeks we called the annual Trainer Run. 966 00:53:14.360 --> 00:53:17.239 We drive, fly to New York, take a limb all 967 00:53:17.320 --> 00:53:20.400 out to Jersey to the Animal Kingdom. 968 00:53:20.679 --> 00:53:23.800 We pulled up this big company of giraffe looking. As 969 00:53:23.840 --> 00:53:26.920 we finally get inside, the guy meets us, takes in 970 00:53:27.039 --> 00:53:28.920 a compound with the walls and locks. 971 00:53:29.079 --> 00:53:30.280 We get locked in with him. 972 00:53:31.320 --> 00:53:33.480 And in the middle of this company, it's this huge 973 00:53:33.679 --> 00:53:36.079 crate like they shook grapefruits in it. In the middle 974 00:53:36.119 --> 00:53:40.519 of it is this oversized rabbit, which is a kangaroo. 975 00:53:41.400 --> 00:53:41.719 Huge. 976 00:53:43.119 --> 00:53:46.679 Hearts down right, and now he takes the red gloves 977 00:53:46.719 --> 00:53:49.599 and puts him on his cargar, tasts the canoos sits 978 00:53:49.639 --> 00:53:52.599 there and he puts these bread gloves that he puts 979 00:53:52.639 --> 00:53:56.599 red gloves on himself and he turns around the dandie 980 00:53:56.599 --> 00:53:59.119 and I said, now when I tell my gloves on 981 00:53:59.159 --> 00:54:02.000 his face like this, he'll send I'm start fighting. 982 00:54:02.159 --> 00:54:02.840 I said, okay. 983 00:54:03.599 --> 00:54:06.480 So he turns around the ganger is sitting there with 984 00:54:06.599 --> 00:54:11.519 the gloves on, and I've done the spects and would 985 00:54:11.559 --> 00:54:13.360 just sit Say looks at him with the gloves on. 986 00:54:14.440 --> 00:54:16.800 Is he just nervous because share hare? I said, oh yeah, 987 00:54:16.880 --> 00:54:18.599 yeah ha. 988 00:54:19.559 --> 00:54:22.559 Caywage just sits Sarah looks at him, he said, I say, 989 00:54:22.920 --> 00:54:25.480 he'll get over in a second. Which point, before he 990 00:54:25.559 --> 00:54:28.960 could turn around, the kangaroo is up and punches this 991 00:54:29.119 --> 00:54:32.599 guy through the bushes and one shot ship the guy 992 00:54:32.639 --> 00:54:34.880 went flying by, hitting him punk forty miles an hour. 993 00:54:35.320 --> 00:54:38.400 This thing was scary, but this said was six foot 994 00:54:38.480 --> 00:54:42.320 three and leveraging out his ten went wow and hit 995 00:54:42.360 --> 00:54:45.360 this guy right in the face. We ran out. We 996 00:54:45.519 --> 00:54:48.599 ran and slammed the door. So Holy Christ, fuck, he's 997 00:54:48.639 --> 00:54:52.000 going to kill us right. So now we're sitting there 998 00:54:52.119 --> 00:54:56.239 saying what do we do? I said, Danny, we can 999 00:54:56.360 --> 00:54:59.000 I use this kangaroo with two thousand people in cherry 1000 00:54:59.039 --> 00:55:00.920 KOI The cagar will murder somebody. 1001 00:55:01.360 --> 00:55:03.039 It's too dangerous. Can't control him. 1002 00:55:04.480 --> 00:55:07.039 So I called up in front of my Stan Winston 1003 00:55:07.840 --> 00:55:10.719 and I said, I got again. Wait, I get a 1004 00:55:10.840 --> 00:55:12.920 kid in the kangaroo kangaroo suit. 1005 00:55:12.960 --> 00:55:15.320 He said, the configuration's wrong. 1006 00:55:16.119 --> 00:55:18.920 Guys have little little heads on a pair of white bodies. 1007 00:55:19.719 --> 00:55:21.519 You can't get a guy in there. I said, I 1008 00:55:21.679 --> 00:55:24.800 have to have a guy in a goddamn suit. Otherwise 1009 00:55:25.119 --> 00:55:29.239 the movie's gonna be that someone's gonna get hurt. Grudgingly, 1010 00:55:29.679 --> 00:55:33.119 it made me a kangaroo suit. There was so appalling. 1011 00:55:34.760 --> 00:55:37.800 The pear shaped body was okay, but in order to 1012 00:55:37.840 --> 00:55:41.320 get a guy head in there, I had a little 1013 00:55:41.639 --> 00:55:44.320 kangaroo headed between the head and the and the body, 1014 00:55:44.760 --> 00:55:48.159 we had another like the kangaroo had a goiter it 1015 00:55:48.280 --> 00:55:51.760 with a fucking hairy net for my guy to get 1016 00:55:51.840 --> 00:55:53.360 in and looking oh god, it was so. 1017 00:55:55.559 --> 00:55:57.079 And a guy hopping around. 1018 00:55:56.840 --> 00:56:01.519 In his kangaroo suit, and it was the most such 1019 00:56:01.599 --> 00:56:04.960 a scene in the movie. This is before annamatronis got good. 1020 00:56:05.760 --> 00:56:09.199 There's like almost a love scene with Elliott and the kangaroo. 1021 00:56:09.320 --> 00:56:11.880 The gango is going into the box the champ of 1022 00:56:11.960 --> 00:56:14.800 the world, and Elliott says the Matilda, I want to 1023 00:56:14.840 --> 00:56:18.039 thank you for everything you made my life and you 1024 00:56:18.119 --> 00:56:21.239 know I love you and all, and he could to 1025 00:56:21.320 --> 00:56:24.079 the kangaroo one eye is not working. 1026 00:56:24.199 --> 00:56:27.039 The ears. God, it was so fun. I want to 1027 00:56:27.159 --> 00:56:27.840 kill myself. 1028 00:56:29.320 --> 00:56:35.239 The great script and Elliagul was so fucking great. No kangaroo, 1029 00:56:35.280 --> 00:56:37.760 he couldn't do nothing to play again, all right, But 1030 00:56:38.159 --> 00:56:40.159 Elliott was a trooper man. 1031 00:56:40.280 --> 00:56:45.000 He was just great. He never complained, he did his job. 1032 00:56:45.079 --> 00:56:49.840 He could have been nicer everybody, and he certainly enhanced 1033 00:56:50.679 --> 00:56:53.880 his reputation with everyone that worked on that movie, especially 1034 00:56:53.960 --> 00:56:56.119 with me. I just I think he's an amazing man, 1035 00:56:56.199 --> 00:56:56.679 I really do. 1036 00:56:57.599 --> 00:56:59.840 I couldn't believe the cast that you had for this movie. 1037 00:57:00.119 --> 00:57:00.760 Just amazing. 1038 00:57:01.519 --> 00:57:04.039 I know, Robin, but we had a nice cat. 1039 00:57:04.440 --> 00:57:04.559 Well. 1040 00:57:04.559 --> 00:57:07.880 It's a great screenplay. It's a marvelous book. Is what 1041 00:57:08.079 --> 00:57:10.880 happens in the in the book which happened in the 1042 00:57:10.960 --> 00:57:14.039 Moon with no One, which the Eli Cool. 1043 00:57:13.920 --> 00:57:16.400 Character doesn't realize because the kangaroo is that good. 1044 00:57:17.239 --> 00:57:20.400 If you ever really hit a kangaroo box them, it 1045 00:57:20.480 --> 00:57:24.159 won't fight anymore. So in the final Danty mar in 1046 00:57:24.199 --> 00:57:29.440 the movie, Matilda has got the chair reelingly ready to 1047 00:57:29.559 --> 00:57:33.039 fall down, and then it verrely turns around and as 1048 00:57:33.119 --> 00:57:36.840 he's reaching from the ropes, smashing Matilda in the nose 1049 00:57:36.920 --> 00:57:39.920 with his glove, and the carriage just stands it won't 1050 00:57:39.920 --> 00:57:42.880 fight anymore looking at him, and. 1051 00:57:43.039 --> 00:57:45.599 He's gonna go in and kill the kangaroo and Ellien throws. 1052 00:57:45.360 --> 00:57:48.119 The towel in because he loves the kangaroo doesn't want 1053 00:57:48.119 --> 00:57:51.840 to see him hurt. I was a sweet story. And 1054 00:57:52.000 --> 00:57:53.559 then they have a gangship named Uncle. 1055 00:57:53.639 --> 00:57:57.719 No, no, it was a riot. The fucking scriptless hysterical. 1056 00:57:58.519 --> 00:57:59.400 It was hysterical. 1057 00:58:00.360 --> 00:58:03.000 It was not only its fault. It wasn't the fault 1058 00:58:03.039 --> 00:58:07.639 of the director, the producer, the script, the money. We unfortunately, 1059 00:58:08.760 --> 00:58:10.360 and I guess if I had to do it all 1060 00:58:10.400 --> 00:58:13.280 over again, maybe should have canceled the movie. I could not, 1061 00:58:13.679 --> 00:58:17.039 in all good conscience let that animal into the rain. 1062 00:58:18.079 --> 00:58:20.880 Weeks later in Reno would have gotten hurt. When I 1063 00:58:21.000 --> 00:58:23.320 saw one shot what he did to the sky, we 1064 00:58:23.480 --> 00:58:25.639 all ran like you could get out of the fucking play. 1065 00:58:26.519 --> 00:58:30.360 Have you ever seen the kangaroo stand out? Pretty intimidated. Boy, 1066 00:58:30.400 --> 00:58:33.519 They got the haunches on the back and they moved 1067 00:58:33.800 --> 00:58:37.440 boom boom, Dann and I ran out. Holy god, I'm 1068 00:58:37.519 --> 00:58:40.800 looking to get out alive. I couldn't countenance that at all, 1069 00:58:41.679 --> 00:58:45.360 though the protecular life. I ruined the movie in the 1070 00:58:45.480 --> 00:58:46.159 bizarre way. 1071 00:58:46.199 --> 00:58:48.320 I laugh at it now. And when they run the movie, 1072 00:58:48.360 --> 00:58:48.960 I leave town. 1073 00:58:49.000 --> 00:58:53.159 I changed my name and then I had never, never complained, 1074 00:58:54.039 --> 00:58:55.880 was always in there trying to do the best job 1075 00:58:55.960 --> 00:58:58.880 because he was marvelous. But he didn't have anyone to 1076 00:58:58.920 --> 00:59:01.679 play against. I've been walking down the street with the 1077 00:59:01.760 --> 00:59:05.880 kangarool down Fifth Avenue and Kearnath and kangaroos are trying 1078 00:59:05.920 --> 00:59:07.400 to hop with this phony tail. 1079 00:59:07.480 --> 00:59:12.280 Oh god, it's just horrible. But into every life some 1080 00:59:12.480 --> 00:59:14.679 rain must fall. This is happened to be a deluge 1081 00:59:14.760 --> 00:59:16.760 on this one. Yeah. 1082 00:59:16.800 --> 00:59:20.039 What was it like for Gary Morgan playing the kangaroo itself? 1083 00:59:20.960 --> 00:59:23.960 Well, Gary is a terrific kid. He tried to do 1084 00:59:24.119 --> 00:59:24.599 his best. 1085 00:59:25.000 --> 00:59:26.960 If we were doing it today, you got ono suit 1086 00:59:27.000 --> 00:59:29.679 with a computer, it wouldn't matter. We had a dray 1087 00:59:29.800 --> 00:59:33.599 and we had a shoddy look in kangaroos suit. Gary 1088 00:59:33.679 --> 00:59:35.599 tried to jump up and down with the tail not 1089 00:59:35.880 --> 00:59:39.400 following the legs like it should. It was just the 1090 00:59:39.519 --> 00:59:42.239 best that we could accomplish at the time. We had 1091 00:59:42.320 --> 00:59:45.599 to make the movie. We're two three weeks away from production, 1092 00:59:46.679 --> 00:59:50.679 so we made the movie. We all got paid. Luckily, 1093 00:59:50.760 --> 00:59:53.280 the movie wasn't not expensive, so no one really got hurt. 1094 00:59:54.119 --> 00:59:56.639 So the only thing it did is it introduced me 1095 00:59:56.760 --> 01:00:00.639 to someone who might have enormous respect for Lee Goold 1096 01:00:01.480 --> 01:00:03.119 and it's the one good thing that came out of 1097 01:00:03.159 --> 01:00:03.800 the movie for me. 1098 01:00:04.679 --> 01:00:06.719 What was it like being both the writer and the 1099 01:00:06.760 --> 01:00:09.440 producer on the said, you've done that before. 1100 01:00:10.519 --> 01:00:11.440 I worked as a writer. 1101 01:00:11.679 --> 01:00:15.000 I mean I created Hogan Cerro's Walker, Texas range Rive. 1102 01:00:15.719 --> 01:00:18.800 He always did some writing, but it was fairly easy 1103 01:00:18.920 --> 01:00:23.519 because the Paul Gallico book had everything. It wasn't like 1104 01:00:23.639 --> 01:00:26.079 The Godfather the way he had six hundred and fifty pages. 1105 01:00:26.599 --> 01:00:29.079 Had to get one hundred and fifty pages out, You're 1106 01:00:29.079 --> 01:00:31.400 going to have taken the novel and go right to 1107 01:00:31.480 --> 01:00:33.559 the first page and say, okay, let's shoot this right here. 1108 01:00:34.239 --> 01:00:38.239 So just a matter of transcribing the novel to a 1109 01:00:38.400 --> 01:00:42.480 screenplay for him, that's all. It was not one original 1110 01:00:42.639 --> 01:00:46.320 line of dialogue that Paul and Paula Galico didn't write. 1111 01:00:47.000 --> 01:00:49.679 Tim was the guy I met in New York. It 1112 01:00:49.800 --> 01:00:53.679 was a huge one of the most highly paid commercial 1113 01:00:53.760 --> 01:00:57.280 cameraman in the business, worked for Joyce Lois, all the 1114 01:00:57.320 --> 01:00:59.320 big guys, and he wanted to direct. 1115 01:01:00.039 --> 01:01:03.000 Think it is a chance, give him a shot and 1116 01:01:03.199 --> 01:01:04.400 working on a screenplay. 1117 01:01:05.159 --> 01:01:07.840 And then we worked on the script and he was 1118 01:01:07.920 --> 01:01:10.280 going to back us up, which he did with the 1119 01:01:10.360 --> 01:01:13.719 B camera pigging up some extra footage for us. 1120 01:01:14.599 --> 01:01:17.079 When you were making Million Dollar Baby, did you ever 1121 01:01:17.159 --> 01:01:19.559 think about having her box the Kangaroo and that one too? 1122 01:01:20.159 --> 01:01:23.280 I had an ever box of the Kangarooth. Actually, the 1123 01:01:23.400 --> 01:01:25.840 only other movie I ever did about boxing was Million 1124 01:01:25.880 --> 01:01:28.559 Dollar Baby, and that was came. 1125 01:01:28.400 --> 01:01:30.320 Out of left field and the whole other area. 1126 01:01:30.800 --> 01:01:34.400 The problem I had selling that movie that no one 1127 01:01:34.519 --> 01:01:37.760 wanted to do a girl a movie, but a girl 1128 01:01:37.840 --> 01:01:40.280 boxer who goes and watch those girl bosses. 1129 01:01:41.280 --> 01:01:44.480 How was the movie received afterwards? It sounds like you 1130 01:01:44.559 --> 01:01:47.760 don't have a whole lot of good memories of what 1131 01:01:48.280 --> 01:01:51.320 it turned into. Who was the public pretty receptive to it? 1132 01:01:51.440 --> 01:01:51.599 Or no? 1133 01:01:52.360 --> 01:01:54.360 I titt you the effort we went. I suppose I 1134 01:01:54.480 --> 01:01:58.639 titt You were opened a radio city musical. I staged 1135 01:01:59.360 --> 01:02:03.559 boxing on Park Avenue at twelve thirty in the afternoon 1136 01:02:03.639 --> 01:02:09.280 with a professional fighter, and gargar was soon. We worked 1137 01:02:09.320 --> 01:02:12.480 our ass off to get the money back, which we did, 1138 01:02:13.400 --> 01:02:18.599 but we well, let's be honest, we were sailing against 1139 01:02:18.639 --> 01:02:21.920 the wind and not because of anything Elliott Gould did. 1140 01:02:21.960 --> 01:02:25.519 Because Elliot Gould did Elliott Gould, which is what I 1141 01:02:25.920 --> 01:02:29.159 wanted a guy with enormous who could play a really 1142 01:02:29.239 --> 01:02:33.480 bright hustler, but we had an enormous heart and sweetness 1143 01:02:33.679 --> 01:02:36.639 him and that's what I was looking for. And that's 1144 01:02:36.679 --> 01:02:39.199 what Elliott has on it. He can throw down a 1145 01:02:39.239 --> 01:02:42.079 whit better than most people try to work it. And 1146 01:02:42.360 --> 01:02:45.880 that's the way Elliott is. There never been a person 1147 01:02:46.440 --> 01:02:48.840 who was beating his Zellen drum around Hollywood. 1148 01:02:49.840 --> 01:02:51.639 Believe in doing that. 1149 01:02:52.039 --> 01:02:54.719 He's always just want to sell himself as just a 1150 01:02:54.840 --> 01:02:59.519 working actor. So if he's not really booming the book, 1151 01:02:59.559 --> 01:03:01.480 you have to Bestead. I've nothing to do with you 1152 01:03:02.159 --> 01:03:05.119 or anxiety about the quality of the book. He does 1153 01:03:06.000 --> 01:03:09.719 not exactly self effacing Elliot, but he's not. Everybody got 1154 01:03:09.840 --> 01:03:13.800 to push himself, and I know guys who would be 1155 01:03:13.920 --> 01:03:17.480 the same way. Many times I've been offered deals to 1156 01:03:17.599 --> 01:03:22.239 do books the Godfather to Beny Element, I'm not interested 1157 01:03:22.800 --> 01:03:25.320 and write in my life's story and I don't want 1158 01:03:25.400 --> 01:03:25.719 to do it. 1159 01:03:26.159 --> 01:03:28.400 So does he's not with you. 1160 01:03:29.039 --> 01:03:31.599 It's not that he doesn't respect what you're doing, and 1161 01:03:32.519 --> 01:03:35.480 I have hope that turns out for the best. This 1162 01:03:35.599 --> 01:03:40.320 is a sad antipathy that people have about doing books 1163 01:03:40.360 --> 01:03:42.559 about themselves or being involved in books. 1164 01:03:43.679 --> 01:03:44.679 Good luck with the book. 1165 01:03:45.280 --> 01:03:47.440 Thank you very much, sir. Thanks again for taking your 1166 01:03:47.480 --> 01:03:49.280 time to talk to me today. I really appreciate it. 1167 01:03:49.920 --> 01:03:50.679 I'm my pleasure. 1168 01:04:03.800 --> 01:04:06.039 Up next, we have a very short and sweet interview 1169 01:04:06.119 --> 01:04:07.679 with writer Timothy Gelfhis. 1170 01:04:08.440 --> 01:04:09.920 I was wondering if you could tell me how you 1171 01:04:10.000 --> 01:04:12.320 got involved in the project of Matilda. 1172 01:04:13.519 --> 01:04:17.119 I happened to be a paramount at the time, with 1173 01:04:17.639 --> 01:04:23.760 already working in his office writing and this project came 1174 01:04:23.880 --> 01:04:26.960 up and he added it to me to do it, 1175 01:04:28.039 --> 01:04:29.119 and that's how it started. 1176 01:04:30.079 --> 01:04:33.320 Was it a fairly easy adaptation? Because I have yet 1177 01:04:33.400 --> 01:04:34.840 to read the book. I just got a copy of 1178 01:04:34.920 --> 01:04:35.480 it in the mail. 1179 01:04:36.519 --> 01:04:40.360 I had a love from the author and telling me 1180 01:04:40.880 --> 01:04:42.280 that he couldn't have written it better. 1181 01:04:43.360 --> 01:04:45.360 Was there a lot of stuff that changed once it 1182 01:04:45.480 --> 01:04:48.000 came from writing it to actually filming it. 1183 01:04:48.599 --> 01:04:50.199 Nothing of any consequence. 1184 01:04:50.400 --> 01:04:50.440 No. 1185 01:04:51.679 --> 01:04:55.119 Sometimes when they're shooting they'll change a word or two 1186 01:04:55.280 --> 01:04:58.800 or something, but that's common practice. 1187 01:05:00.039 --> 01:05:02.880 You had been a director? Was this your first screenplay 1188 01:05:02.960 --> 01:05:05.320 that you'd written or had you done other stuff? 1189 01:05:06.360 --> 01:05:07.559 No, that wasn't my first. 1190 01:05:07.719 --> 01:05:12.719 No, I'm a fan of your film Boguard or, as 1191 01:05:12.800 --> 01:05:17.599 I know, a Blackfist. What had you written before Matilda. 1192 01:05:18.880 --> 01:05:21.360 I really don't know, to be honest with you, it's 1193 01:05:21.400 --> 01:05:22.320 been so long ago. 1194 01:05:23.559 --> 01:05:26.440 Were you involved once the camera started rolling or were 1195 01:05:26.480 --> 01:05:27.440 you pretty much off of it? 1196 01:05:28.480 --> 01:05:30.719 I was pretty much off of it. I didn't want 1197 01:05:30.760 --> 01:05:31.719 to get involved in it. 1198 01:05:32.880 --> 01:05:34.719 What did you think of the film once you finally 1199 01:05:34.760 --> 01:05:35.039 saw it? 1200 01:05:36.440 --> 01:05:37.559 I thought it was fairly good. 1201 01:05:38.400 --> 01:05:40.480 I know it was a big hit because I kept 1202 01:05:40.559 --> 01:05:42.280 getting residual checks. 1203 01:05:43.079 --> 01:05:46.480 It played big in Europe. That's what I go by. 1204 01:05:47.400 --> 01:05:49.639 I taught to mister Ruddy the other day, and he 1205 01:05:49.840 --> 01:05:53.920 was still complaining about the way that the kangaroo looked a. 1206 01:05:53.960 --> 01:05:58.480 Little problem in that because you couldn't get an actual 1207 01:05:58.599 --> 01:06:02.480 kangaroo to do it, so we had to send Australia 1208 01:06:02.519 --> 01:06:06.199 as to get the ends of the outside of a kangaroo. 1209 01:06:07.119 --> 01:06:08.360 What are you working on these days? 1210 01:06:09.360 --> 01:06:13.880 No, I'm working on something called It Happened in Beverly 1211 01:06:14.000 --> 01:06:18.960 Hills and it has to do a real love It's 1212 01:06:19.000 --> 01:06:20.079 a real love story. 1213 01:06:20.280 --> 01:06:25.039 And the title it Happened in Beverly Hills is those 1214 01:06:25.119 --> 01:06:26.719 things don't happen in Beverly Hills. 1215 01:06:28.000 --> 01:06:31.079 Love story is usually the last twenty four hours, I 1216 01:06:31.159 --> 01:06:32.159 wish I had more. 1217 01:06:32.079 --> 01:06:32.480 To tell you. 1218 01:06:33.400 --> 01:06:35.719 Well, Hey, you know, it's always nice just to talk 1219 01:06:35.760 --> 01:06:38.920 to folks. But yeah, I appreciate your time very much. 1220 01:06:39.960 --> 01:06:42.639 No, I said, I'm glad to do what I can 1221 01:06:42.800 --> 01:06:43.039 for you. 1222 01:06:43.760 --> 01:06:44.679 Well, I appreciate that. 1223 01:06:58.440 --> 01:07:02.079 I'm next, we're going to hear from Mattilda himself. Gary Morgan. 1224 01:07:02.559 --> 01:07:05.039 How was it being a kangaroo for all those weeks 1225 01:07:05.119 --> 01:07:05.599 of shooting? 1226 01:07:07.039 --> 01:07:09.320 It was tough. It was a hard suit. 1227 01:07:09.400 --> 01:07:10.239 I do suit work. 1228 01:07:10.519 --> 01:07:14.760 I doubled the dog in Kujo, and I've got a 1229 01:07:14.840 --> 01:07:18.119 bear suit. I've been bearers and I do animals a lot, 1230 01:07:18.800 --> 01:07:23.159 and I have a dance, mime, acrobatic. Back when my 1231 01:07:23.280 --> 01:07:27.440 parents had a circus act, I would like in Voidville. 1232 01:07:27.599 --> 01:07:28.760 Which is interesting because. 1233 01:07:28.719 --> 01:07:29.920 I know Elliott when he was. 1234 01:07:29.920 --> 01:07:33.079 A kid singer dancer in New York. 1235 01:07:34.039 --> 01:07:34.239 God. 1236 01:07:34.280 --> 01:07:38.519 He took lessons and I referred to him as Broadway breaths, 1237 01:07:39.000 --> 01:07:41.000 kids that are in Broadway shows. I was one of those, 1238 01:07:41.079 --> 01:07:41.960 and so is Elliott. 1239 01:07:42.679 --> 01:07:44.519 Did you guys know each other? Way back in the day. 1240 01:07:44.920 --> 01:07:47.599 I had met him, but I didn't know him well. 1241 01:07:48.440 --> 01:07:50.280 I knew people that he knew, and we both took 1242 01:07:51.119 --> 01:07:54.000 lessons of the same guy. I was older than I 1243 01:07:54.079 --> 01:07:57.639 am known when you're a kid that age gap is 1244 01:07:58.480 --> 01:08:02.480 you don't run around together. But I knew him basically then, 1245 01:08:02.519 --> 01:08:04.639 but I didn't really get to know him ntil Matilda, 1246 01:08:05.239 --> 01:08:08.239 but I adore Ellie. It's an interesting guy because Elliott's 1247 01:08:08.239 --> 01:08:11.000 got this he's like a real guys guy as far 1248 01:08:11.079 --> 01:08:16.520 as sports and bedding and replays basketball and he's in 1249 01:08:16.640 --> 01:08:20.960 that whole thing. But he's got this musical comedy background. 1250 01:08:21.000 --> 01:08:24.960 He was a say Your dancer, which is a juxtaposition 1251 01:08:25.920 --> 01:08:30.199 and as a spun man that that was like musical 1252 01:08:30.319 --> 01:08:34.560 comedy is is also a juxtaposition. So elliotts he's got 1253 01:08:34.600 --> 01:08:37.159 that whole thing. So much went in about it already 1254 01:08:37.560 --> 01:08:40.520 during that whole time when she was the Toaster Broadway, 1255 01:08:40.560 --> 01:08:42.760 when they were doing what was it? No, I can 1256 01:08:42.800 --> 01:08:45.079 get a few hole fill well. Elliott talks. He talks 1257 01:08:45.239 --> 01:08:48.520 real slow. He wants to make sure that he's understood, 1258 01:08:48.560 --> 01:08:52.359 and he he stops and thinks about his what he's 1259 01:08:52.399 --> 01:08:53.039 going to say. 1260 01:08:53.319 --> 01:08:53.880 You know what I mean. 1261 01:08:54.039 --> 01:08:58.760 He's very very careful, Like if you have conversations with Elliott, 1262 01:08:59.399 --> 01:09:03.119 stop and really all over his words just to make 1263 01:09:03.159 --> 01:09:08.479 sure he's expressing himself the way he wan. But Elliott 1264 01:09:08.520 --> 01:09:12.640 is such a sweet eye and he cares about people. 1265 01:09:12.760 --> 01:09:15.800 He takes care of people. And interesting because my wife 1266 01:09:15.920 --> 01:09:18.359 was pregnant when we did Matilda and he had a 1267 01:09:18.439 --> 01:09:21.640 daughter named Molly. He's got two kids, Molly and Sam, 1268 01:09:22.560 --> 01:09:25.840 and I just love the name Molly that I decided 1269 01:09:25.880 --> 01:09:28.560 to name my daughter Molly after working with Elliott, and yeah, 1270 01:09:28.600 --> 01:09:32.479 Sissy was pregnant. Through that whole production. We had great 1271 01:09:32.520 --> 01:09:36.319 times hanging out, especially like we're doing in Reno. Jerry 1272 01:09:36.399 --> 01:09:39.239 Quarry was supposed to be at our movie and one 1273 01:09:39.279 --> 01:09:40.920 of the first kind of time that I was hanging out, 1274 01:09:40.960 --> 01:09:43.680 They'll go. We all watching the Jerry Quarry fight because 1275 01:09:43.720 --> 01:09:48.159 Jerry was had a heavyweight shot or something, and right 1276 01:09:48.239 --> 01:09:49.479 after that fight he was so, it's come and do 1277 01:09:49.600 --> 01:09:52.039 our movie. I remember all of us watching that fight 1278 01:09:52.119 --> 01:09:55.239 and Jerry Koy just got a shit kicked out of him. 1279 01:09:55.720 --> 01:09:58.520 It was a horrible fight. It was really it was 1280 01:09:58.600 --> 01:10:02.079 hard to watch. The last minute he landed a lucky 1281 01:10:02.159 --> 01:10:06.000 punch and knocked the guy out and then decided instead 1282 01:10:06.000 --> 01:10:07.720 of coming to do our movie, he said, oh no, 1283 01:10:07.840 --> 01:10:10.479 I've got a title shot. I'm gonna I've got my 1284 01:10:10.600 --> 01:10:13.279 career's got a comeback. We're all going, Oh my god, 1285 01:10:13.479 --> 01:10:17.239 Jerry grabbed this that he's offering you a part in 1286 01:10:17.279 --> 01:10:20.960 the movie. Changed careers, it's over. But he didn't do 1287 01:10:21.039 --> 01:10:23.039 the movie the last minute. He decided not to do 1288 01:10:23.159 --> 01:10:26.199 it to play the heavyweight. But I remember hanging out 1289 01:10:26.359 --> 01:10:31.239 with Elliott watching that prize fight, and Elliott bet on 1290 01:10:31.319 --> 01:10:34.319 everything back then and was very big right then. Elliott 1291 01:10:34.520 --> 01:10:39.079 was was beat on everything, dead on fights, basketball, anything. 1292 01:10:39.159 --> 01:10:41.439 You always have money on, whatever the game it was. 1293 01:10:42.319 --> 01:10:45.439 But we really hung out during the promo tour after 1294 01:10:46.119 --> 01:10:49.520 the movie. To promote the film, I went on the 1295 01:10:49.600 --> 01:10:52.039 road with Elliott in the kangaroo suit. We did all 1296 01:10:52.079 --> 01:10:54.800 these interviews, and I remember then he had some kind 1297 01:10:54.800 --> 01:10:57.960 of pet charity wheat We're in Tennessee. We got on 1298 01:10:58.039 --> 01:11:02.000 a helicopter and flew into the mountains. It's some boxing 1299 01:11:02.159 --> 01:11:06.600 camp that I think Sugar Ray Leonard was involved in, 1300 01:11:07.600 --> 01:11:11.279 and it was for underprivileged kids or something. Ellie says, 1301 01:11:11.319 --> 01:11:13.680 a good guy. He's got a big cart. He'll if 1302 01:11:13.720 --> 01:11:16.920 somebody's in trouble, Elliott will, we'll give him money and 1303 01:11:17.119 --> 01:11:19.199 and try to help him out. He's just one of 1304 01:11:19.279 --> 01:11:22.840 those you know what I'm saying quietly too, people don't 1305 01:11:22.840 --> 01:11:25.119 even know about. And he said say. It was such 1306 01:11:25.119 --> 01:11:27.800 a family man too, with his kids and Jenny at 1307 01:11:27.840 --> 01:11:30.119 the time married to Jenny, whose father was a big 1308 01:11:30.159 --> 01:11:33.920 director named Paul Bogart. At that time, Susi was pregnant. 1309 01:11:33.920 --> 01:11:35.880 We did the movie and that she just had the baby. 1310 01:11:35.880 --> 01:11:39.119 Were we doing this promote tour and Susie came with 1311 01:11:39.279 --> 01:11:42.920 me and I remember we had to get and Elliott 1312 01:11:43.000 --> 01:11:46.399 just he loves kids, he loves the baby. And the 1313 01:11:46.479 --> 01:11:49.039 publicist was all concerned that Elliot didn't want to have 1314 01:11:49.079 --> 01:11:52.760 a baby around because he's a big star, but that 1315 01:11:52.880 --> 01:11:55.239 Elliott is this family guy. He just loved it. He 1316 01:11:55.359 --> 01:11:57.079 was I remember written in his Sweet New York. I 1317 01:11:57.119 --> 01:11:59.239 had to put my baby for a nap. She was 1318 01:11:59.760 --> 01:12:01.880 like a couple of geez. I don't think she was 1319 01:12:01.920 --> 01:12:05.039 two months old. Put her in Elliott's bed to go 1320 01:12:05.119 --> 01:12:07.319 to sleep. You know what I Mean's all of you, 1321 01:12:07.479 --> 01:12:09.720 but the kid in my room. It's let me see. 1322 01:12:09.720 --> 01:12:12.319 What else did we do, Elliott I did. We got 1323 01:12:12.399 --> 01:12:14.840 in a helicopter, did that, and we did all these 1324 01:12:14.880 --> 01:12:17.880 talk shows we were in New York, went and did 1325 01:12:18.199 --> 01:12:22.000 the Mike Douglas Show in Philadelphia, and I was in 1326 01:12:22.039 --> 01:12:23.279 the Bangarusa the whole time. 1327 01:12:24.159 --> 01:12:25.920 You must have hated that suit after a while. 1328 01:12:26.880 --> 01:12:28.800 Oh man, that so it was heart you couldn't breathe. 1329 01:12:28.880 --> 01:12:31.600 A couple of times I passed out while we were 1330 01:12:31.640 --> 01:12:34.840 shooting these big boxing scenes and I was fighting heavy 1331 01:12:34.880 --> 01:12:36.960 with them and one guy just knocked me out. 1332 01:12:37.800 --> 01:12:39.920 You were in the Devil MX Deblin too, right. 1333 01:12:41.159 --> 01:12:45.760 Yes, I was, but I didn't have a big part 1334 01:12:45.800 --> 01:12:48.640 with Elliott. I was in it and I but I 1335 01:12:48.680 --> 01:12:51.279 don't think I even had any scenes with Elliott. We 1336 01:12:51.920 --> 01:12:56.359 became really close friends on Matilda and and stayed friend 1337 01:12:57.119 --> 01:12:59.079 in a way. He's working out. I'll visit him on 1338 01:12:59.239 --> 01:13:02.279 shows and we both have a common friend, Martin Sheen. 1339 01:13:03.199 --> 01:13:05.359 Martin's like my older brother. I know, since I'm twelve 1340 01:13:05.399 --> 01:13:10.680 in Elliott Martin or pals Elliott's he's KOOKI too. I'm 1341 01:13:10.800 --> 01:13:12.720 like an old hippie and so's Elliott. We come from 1342 01:13:12.800 --> 01:13:16.439 that whole sixthies thing. I remember we were doing Matilda too. 1343 01:13:16.680 --> 01:13:20.199 We did a promo at Club fifty four, Studio fifty four. 1344 01:13:21.000 --> 01:13:23.920 I was in the kangaroo suit and O. J. Simpson 1345 01:13:24.000 --> 01:13:25.920 was because Elliott and OJ were pals. 1346 01:13:26.840 --> 01:13:29.520 Oh yeah, they were in Kepricorn one together. 1347 01:13:29.640 --> 01:13:32.600 Yeah, yeah, yeah, I remember sitting with Elliott and O. J. 1348 01:13:32.800 --> 01:13:37.319 Simpson in Studio fifty four doing this promo for Matilda. 1349 01:13:38.199 --> 01:13:39.720 I was in a fucking kangaroo suit. 1350 01:13:40.640 --> 01:13:42.439 I noticed the eyes on the suit. Did you have 1351 01:13:42.479 --> 01:13:45.319 a lot of control over that or did they shoot 1352 01:13:45.359 --> 01:13:46.279 that separately or. 1353 01:13:47.199 --> 01:13:50.039 I was looking through a little patch of fur like 1354 01:13:50.199 --> 01:13:53.000 in the nose of the kangaroo, And when it was lit, 1355 01:13:53.119 --> 01:13:55.840 I couldn't see at all. If the other character was lit, 1356 01:13:55.880 --> 01:13:57.479 if the lights were in back of me, I could 1357 01:13:57.840 --> 01:14:01.199 make at images, but when I was lit, it was 1358 01:14:01.680 --> 01:14:02.399 pretty blind. 1359 01:14:03.000 --> 01:14:03.319 Belly. 1360 01:14:04.279 --> 01:14:08.520 You look like, directly put your nose down where you 1361 01:14:08.560 --> 01:14:10.479 know where to look at stuff. Because it was challenging 1362 01:14:10.600 --> 01:14:14.760 and it was old fashioned mechanics and they had now 1363 01:14:14.840 --> 01:14:18.000 they used light. They call them servos that make things work. 1364 01:14:18.720 --> 01:14:21.479 But this was nineteen seventy eight, so the head was 1365 01:14:21.640 --> 01:14:24.560 really heavy, the mechanics in it to make the eyes 1366 01:14:24.640 --> 01:14:28.039 blink and the ears twitch and the nosework. But I 1367 01:14:28.119 --> 01:14:31.680 think a big problem with it was the al Roddy 1368 01:14:31.920 --> 01:14:34.560 was saying that they used a real kangaroo, and he 1369 01:14:34.680 --> 01:14:37.600 was saying, oh, we used a guy in his suit 1370 01:14:37.720 --> 01:14:40.039 just in some of the more difficult boxing scenes. But 1371 01:14:40.079 --> 01:14:42.359 it was a real kangaroo, and they told the name 1372 01:14:42.399 --> 01:14:44.119 of the kangaroo, and he was telling the press it 1373 01:14:44.239 --> 01:14:47.319 was all the kangaroo. Obviously they never used the kangaroo 1374 01:14:47.359 --> 01:14:49.920 once in the whole movie. It's me in the press. 1375 01:14:49.960 --> 01:14:50.920 What who are you kidding? 1376 01:14:51.680 --> 01:14:54.720 That's a guy in a suit, and you can't lie 1377 01:14:54.840 --> 01:14:57.840 to the press. So we got terrible If you the 1378 01:14:58.000 --> 01:15:00.520 script was brilliant. It was a poll ga from the 1379 01:15:00.600 --> 01:15:03.880 Pole Gallico novel and it was such a great script 1380 01:15:03.920 --> 01:15:06.199 that I know, why, Elly, you probably want to do it. 1381 01:15:06.239 --> 01:15:08.239 I read the script, they went, oh, this is charming. 1382 01:15:08.960 --> 01:15:12.359 It was like a yarn, like an old fashioned yarn. 1383 01:15:14.119 --> 01:15:16.359 What I thought they should have done. Of course I 1384 01:15:16.479 --> 01:15:18.279 was shot there and I said, you should have the 1385 01:15:18.399 --> 01:15:22.279 kangaroo talked to the guy like Francis the talking mule, 1386 01:15:23.239 --> 01:15:25.600 like when they're alone, you know, the guy that owns them, 1387 01:15:25.800 --> 01:15:27.439 and then when anybody else is right and he doesn't 1388 01:15:27.439 --> 01:15:29.880 talk anything. It's a real kangaroo, just so that you 1389 01:15:29.960 --> 01:15:32.439 could let the audience in on the secret, you know 1390 01:15:32.479 --> 01:15:36.560 what I'm saying. But they didn't, and it got It 1391 01:15:36.720 --> 01:15:39.760 was just it got terrible reviews, and I don't think 1392 01:15:39.760 --> 01:15:40.760 it made very much money. 1393 01:15:41.560 --> 01:15:42.239 It was a charm. 1394 01:15:42.319 --> 01:15:46.399 It was a charming story. For whatever reason, it just 1395 01:15:46.479 --> 01:15:48.960 it didn't work. And he put just as much work 1396 01:15:49.000 --> 01:15:51.560 into a movie that doesn't work is one that does. 1397 01:15:52.520 --> 01:15:54.800 We all put our heart and soul in that movie. 1398 01:15:56.479 --> 01:15:59.439 I'm sure you think, going into nearly everything, this is 1399 01:15:59.479 --> 01:16:01.239 going to be great, or at least you wanted to be. 1400 01:16:02.000 --> 01:16:04.159 Yeah, And it was after Star Wars. I thought I 1401 01:16:04.239 --> 01:16:05.880 was going to be like the new R two D two, 1402 01:16:06.520 --> 01:16:09.640 the guy in the kagaroussu But this Preatont memory was 1403 01:16:09.680 --> 01:16:13.920 Elliot because he Elliott is just such a kind, generous 1404 01:16:14.439 --> 01:16:17.359 person and actor when you're working with him. 1405 01:16:18.479 --> 01:16:21.479 Wait, I couldn't believe the cast in that in addition 1406 01:16:21.640 --> 01:16:26.520 to yourself and Elliott, just Lionel Stander and Bobert Mitchell 1407 01:16:27.359 --> 01:16:28.960 for God's sake. Yeah, I know. 1408 01:16:29.960 --> 01:16:32.600 And it's funny because somebody interviewed me about Robert Mitcham 1409 01:16:33.119 --> 01:16:36.079 for his book. We did promo stuff for that too, 1410 01:16:36.600 --> 01:16:38.119 and I ended up like a couple of pages in 1411 01:16:38.199 --> 01:16:41.760 his book. Somebody said, you're a Robert Mitchum's biography when 1412 01:16:41.800 --> 01:16:44.199 you're a kidding and it was like, I'm talking to you, 1413 01:16:44.439 --> 01:16:45.800 so I don't even remember what it was for it 1414 01:16:45.840 --> 01:16:48.159 wasn't about his book. It was about Matilda and it 1415 01:16:48.319 --> 01:16:49.680 ended up in the Mitcham's book. 1416 01:16:50.279 --> 01:16:52.079 And I was really happy to see Roy Clark in 1417 01:16:52.119 --> 01:16:52.439 there too. 1418 01:16:53.039 --> 01:16:56.399 Yep, Roy Clark, Lionel Standard was finny. Got to hang 1419 01:16:56.479 --> 01:16:59.199 out with him. And there's guy named Clive Revel that 1420 01:16:59.319 --> 01:17:01.479 was in the movie that was the owner of the Kangaroo, 1421 01:17:02.279 --> 01:17:06.079 a British actor. Cool guy. It was one of those 1422 01:17:06.119 --> 01:17:08.000 things too, because it was his story. He was telling 1423 01:17:08.039 --> 01:17:11.000 the story like looking right at the camera. It was 1424 01:17:11.239 --> 01:17:14.800 this yarn that Clive Revel was like the storyteller. 1425 01:17:15.720 --> 01:17:17.640 He's still around too, He's doing a lot of voice 1426 01:17:17.640 --> 01:17:18.359 work these days. 1427 01:17:18.800 --> 01:17:20.520 God, I haven't I get a Christmas card from her 1428 01:17:20.520 --> 01:17:22.399 every year. We still trade Christmas cards. But I haven't 1429 01:17:22.439 --> 01:17:24.520 spoken to him. We did a show years after that 1430 01:17:24.680 --> 01:17:30.199 called a TV special Pinocchio with Sandy Duncan and Danny 1431 01:17:30.319 --> 01:17:33.960 Kay and I was lamp Wick the bad kid in 1432 01:17:34.039 --> 01:17:38.119 it and Clive Revel was the coachman that anyway, we 1433 01:17:38.199 --> 01:17:42.079 got to hang out afterwards, but Elliot and I are 1434 01:17:42.119 --> 01:17:44.159 still friends. I think it was that kind of that 1435 01:17:44.199 --> 01:17:49.239 whole hippie thing that we both could relate to of 1436 01:17:49.399 --> 01:17:53.119 the sixties. That was such an amazing time that you know, 1437 01:17:53.199 --> 01:17:55.439 both of us lived through. You know what I mean, 1438 01:17:55.520 --> 01:18:01.199 it's a certain old hippies. It's going through that new 1439 01:18:01.319 --> 01:18:02.920 kind of shapes who you are later on. 1440 01:18:04.319 --> 01:18:07.640 Had you been doing stunts before mental there, I was a. 1441 01:18:07.720 --> 01:18:10.039 Kid actor like I was the original Ritchie in the 1442 01:18:10.119 --> 01:18:14.199 Dick Dan Dyke pilot in nineteen fifty nine. Then I 1443 01:18:14.279 --> 01:18:17.479 came to California as a as an actor, but I 1444 01:18:17.520 --> 01:18:20.199 also work as a I worked a lot as a dancer, 1445 01:18:20.279 --> 01:18:23.239 an acrobatic dancer, because I was a tumbler, things like 1446 01:18:23.319 --> 01:18:29.800 Academy Award shows and TV specials, and so I kind 1447 01:18:29.840 --> 01:18:32.720 of seig when I was an actor. When I stopped 1448 01:18:32.760 --> 01:18:35.439 looking like a teenager, and I still didn't look like 1449 01:18:35.439 --> 01:18:39.479 an adult. I'm little, I'm like five five, and I 1450 01:18:39.600 --> 01:18:42.079 was married and I had two kids, So I seged 1451 01:18:42.159 --> 01:18:46.159 more into stunts when I didn't Matilda too, I was. 1452 01:18:46.520 --> 01:18:48.840 I was doing stunts, but only if it was like 1453 01:18:48.880 --> 01:18:52.560 an action role like I did. Right before that. I 1454 01:18:52.640 --> 01:18:57.880 did Pete's Dragon for Disney, played Shelley Winter's son, and 1455 01:18:58.600 --> 01:19:00.000 they used me because I did all my own stuff 1456 01:19:00.359 --> 01:19:02.039 so I would get like action rolls. 1457 01:19:03.039 --> 01:19:03.840 So I do. 1458 01:19:04.199 --> 01:19:07.279 I did a lot of stunts before Matilda, But then 1459 01:19:07.359 --> 01:19:10.960 after Matilda, I seged more into just like the really 1460 01:19:11.600 --> 01:19:14.000 the stunt apartment where I was doubling people and the 1461 01:19:14.279 --> 01:19:18.279 stunt coordinating. But now that I'm over sixty, I'm segging 1462 01:19:18.399 --> 01:19:20.399 back into acting because I'm tired of hitting the ground. 1463 01:19:21.199 --> 01:19:24.359 Oh man, you don't recover you even dream Matilda on man, 1464 01:19:24.359 --> 01:19:27.600 I would get knocked out by these heavyweights by accident. 1465 01:19:28.439 --> 01:19:31.079 And I remember hopping hopping on a wish like down 1466 01:19:31.479 --> 01:19:33.720 the streets of New York on a loosh. 1467 01:19:34.560 --> 01:19:35.920 Got the must have been exhausting. 1468 01:19:36.920 --> 01:19:41.000 It was exhausting, and it was a It was a 1469 01:19:41.079 --> 01:19:42.680 tough job, just physically. 1470 01:19:43.680 --> 01:19:45.800 Did they have more than one suit? Did you have 1471 01:19:45.880 --> 01:19:47.640 to wear the one with the motors and stuff when 1472 01:19:47.640 --> 01:19:49.199 you were doing the hopping stuff, or. 1473 01:19:49.600 --> 01:19:53.159 Yet one suit nearly had what it was heavy and 1474 01:19:53.760 --> 01:19:55.880 you had to hand over and I would hop for 1475 01:19:56.039 --> 01:19:59.319 like a city block. But to the end, and sometimes 1476 01:19:59.479 --> 01:20:01.279 you're like, you do these fight scenes and then you 1477 01:20:01.399 --> 01:20:03.239 go as long as you can, because it took a 1478 01:20:03.279 --> 01:20:06.239 while to get to get the head on and sealed 1479 01:20:06.319 --> 01:20:09.840 in and brushed, couldn't see the seams, And I remember 1480 01:20:09.840 --> 01:20:11.520 a companys go as long as you can, and then 1481 01:20:11.600 --> 01:20:13.479 you make the silence getting me out in his head. 1482 01:20:13.840 --> 01:20:15.159 And by the time they got it out, I had 1483 01:20:15.239 --> 01:20:17.600 no air and I would be like passed out. 1484 01:20:18.479 --> 01:20:20.119 And you must have been sweating up a storm too, 1485 01:20:20.159 --> 01:20:21.560 because that did not look like a light. 1486 01:20:22.159 --> 01:20:24.920 Oh yeah, but let's do that. And at first they 1487 01:20:24.920 --> 01:20:27.159 were gonna use their real kangaroo, and I took the job. 1488 01:20:27.199 --> 01:20:30.560 They said, you're just gonna do just certain scenes, just 1489 01:20:30.720 --> 01:20:32.920 like some of the fightings. But it ended up the 1490 01:20:32.920 --> 01:20:35.720 suit didn't look anything like the real kangaroo, so they 1491 01:20:35.800 --> 01:20:38.039 had to go with one or the other, and they 1492 01:20:38.119 --> 01:20:40.600 just went with the suit. Kangaroos are dumb. Kangaroos are 1493 01:20:40.640 --> 01:20:42.800 like rabbits, and they could have done it, but they 1494 01:20:42.840 --> 01:20:44.439 would have had to shoot like a zillion feet of 1495 01:20:44.479 --> 01:20:48.600 film and just a little takes. But it just proved 1496 01:20:49.000 --> 01:20:51.079 just not the way they wanted to shoot it. So 1497 01:20:51.239 --> 01:20:52.399 it was all me in the suit. 1498 01:20:53.239 --> 01:20:55.039 When I talked to mister Ruddy the other day, he 1499 01:20:55.159 --> 01:20:58.920 was saying that they went out some kangaroo farm and 1500 01:20:59.079 --> 01:21:01.680 the king garo just knocked a guy like forty feet 1501 01:21:01.920 --> 01:21:04.840 without any effort whatsoever, and they're like, yeah, we can't 1502 01:21:04.880 --> 01:21:06.239 have this. Somebody's gonna get hurt. 1503 01:21:07.119 --> 01:21:09.399 Oh yeah, the kagaros would rock back and just kick you. 1504 01:21:09.920 --> 01:21:12.239 You know how I got into it is they actually 1505 01:21:12.319 --> 01:21:15.039 had a boxer that was going to do the movie 1506 01:21:15.159 --> 01:21:19.079 this Featherweight, And it's interesting is how I got it. 1507 01:21:19.560 --> 01:21:23.000 I was doing another show, was a big TV special 1508 01:21:23.159 --> 01:21:28.039 called The Brother's Grim about fairy tales, and I was 1509 01:21:28.159 --> 01:21:32.640 playing the dog in the Bremertown Musicians. Okay, and where 1510 01:21:32.680 --> 01:21:36.399 I'm a sound stage and the next on the same 1511 01:21:36.479 --> 01:21:38.800 sound stage, they had a boxing ring setup and they 1512 01:21:38.800 --> 01:21:41.760 had a punching bag of speedback set up. So I 1513 01:21:41.840 --> 01:21:43.840 went over started punching his speed bag, just fulling oid. 1514 01:21:43.880 --> 01:21:45.439 I was not on that the production. I was on 1515 01:21:45.520 --> 01:21:48.439 the feeder production, and the stunt coordinator when I knew, 1516 01:21:48.680 --> 01:21:51.000 comes to every and goes, Gary, how tall are you? 1517 01:21:51.079 --> 01:21:53.039 I told him, he says, and how much? 1518 01:21:53.039 --> 01:21:55.399 She Wait what he said? We're in trouble. The guy 1519 01:21:55.479 --> 01:21:58.840 that was they made this suit for just backed out 1520 01:21:59.359 --> 01:22:02.520 because he's afraid of getting hurt. Because there's a thing 1521 01:22:02.600 --> 01:22:06.000 called an air ram where you stand in it throws 1522 01:22:06.119 --> 01:22:08.199 you like a box that you stand on and it 1523 01:22:08.359 --> 01:22:11.239 throws you across the room for the kangaro to hop 1524 01:22:11.880 --> 01:22:14.840 like got this guy who was a professional fighter, and 1525 01:22:15.840 --> 01:22:17.239 he was afraid he was going to get hurt, so 1526 01:22:17.840 --> 01:22:20.159 he backed out at the last minute. And he wasn't 1527 01:22:20.159 --> 01:22:22.079 an actor. He was at the boxer, so he didn't 1528 01:22:22.119 --> 01:22:24.000 do any He would stand in like the fighting pos 1529 01:22:24.479 --> 01:22:27.560 but he couldn't make the suit come alive. And if 1530 01:22:27.600 --> 01:22:29.560 anybody didn't know suits, it's just a piece of fur. 1531 01:22:30.039 --> 01:22:33.119 The guy in the suit can't make it come alive, 1532 01:22:34.199 --> 01:22:36.279 You're in trouble because it just looks like it just 1533 01:22:36.399 --> 01:22:39.319 doesn't work. They were really down to the last minute 1534 01:22:39.319 --> 01:22:41.239 and they couldn't find anybody else that would fit in 1535 01:22:41.319 --> 01:22:43.720 this suit. So the stud quadier goes, you got to 1536 01:22:43.720 --> 01:22:47.279 come tomorrow and try this suit on. And I did, 1537 01:22:47.359 --> 01:22:50.000 and the director was here, Danny Mann, and I put 1538 01:22:50.039 --> 01:22:52.119 the suit on, and I do this kind of stuff 1539 01:22:52.119 --> 01:22:55.640 because I've got a dancer of mine background. So I 1540 01:22:55.680 --> 01:22:57.680 put the suit on and it worked, you know what 1541 01:22:57.720 --> 01:23:00.600 I mean. They were like all I said, it went great, 1542 01:23:01.079 --> 01:23:03.840 you got the job. I was on another picture for 1543 01:23:03.960 --> 01:23:06.840 Disney at the time called North Avenue or Regulars, and 1544 01:23:06.960 --> 01:23:09.520 it was about In that movie there was a walk 1545 01:23:09.560 --> 01:23:14.239 group Shorty in the Shortcake, and I was Shorty and 1546 01:23:14.680 --> 01:23:16.640 the end of that movie. In the beginning of Matilda 1547 01:23:16.720 --> 01:23:20.560 had about a maybe ten days or two week overlap, 1548 01:23:21.640 --> 01:23:24.119 but one was filming in LA and one was filming 1549 01:23:24.159 --> 01:23:26.800 in New York. So for those couple of weeks, already 1550 01:23:26.840 --> 01:23:29.760 made a deal with the producer of North Avenue Regulars 1551 01:23:30.560 --> 01:23:32.840 so they could both use me. And what I would 1552 01:23:32.840 --> 01:23:35.720 do is I would work in LA for North Avenue Regulars, 1553 01:23:36.000 --> 01:23:38.720 get on the Red Eye, fly to New York, do 1554 01:23:38.880 --> 01:23:43.000 a day on Matilda, fly back to LA that night. 1555 01:23:43.560 --> 01:23:46.079 Work for it was about two weeks where I was 1556 01:23:46.119 --> 01:23:49.640 doing both pictures at the same time, literally flying catching 1557 01:23:49.680 --> 01:23:51.399 the red I working one day one, one day on 1558 01:23:51.479 --> 01:23:51.760 the other. 1559 01:23:52.600 --> 01:23:53.479 And it was crazy. 1560 01:23:53.520 --> 01:23:56.119 You'd wake up on the plane and not remembering what 1561 01:23:56.319 --> 01:23:58.680 city you were in, you know what I mean. They 1562 01:23:58.720 --> 01:24:00.920 worked that because it was too late to redo the suit. 1563 01:24:01.239 --> 01:24:04.520 So that's how that worked out. When it opened a 1564 01:24:04.600 --> 01:24:09.199 Radio City music Hall, the movie just not the great reviews. 1565 01:24:09.239 --> 01:24:12.239 And it's funny because they the reviews weren't like it 1566 01:24:12.359 --> 01:24:15.039 was a bad movie. The reviews were all like, this 1567 01:24:15.199 --> 01:24:17.720 is a guy in a kangaroo suit. Anybody could tell 1568 01:24:17.760 --> 01:24:20.840 the guy in a kangaroo suit because because Roddy said 1569 01:24:20.840 --> 01:24:24.000 it was a real kangaroot. Who the fuck are you kidding? 1570 01:24:24.239 --> 01:24:26.960 This is not a real kangaroo because the movie still 1571 01:24:27.039 --> 01:24:29.359 tried me. When you look at the movie, it was 1572 01:24:29.399 --> 01:24:32.000 a sweet movie, no great shakes, but I made a 1573 01:24:32.039 --> 01:24:34.560 great friendship with Elliott through that movie. I was really 1574 01:24:34.600 --> 01:24:37.600 grateful for that movie because we're still tals to this day. 1575 01:24:38.439 --> 01:24:40.960 How was it acting against him? When you were in 1576 01:24:41.039 --> 01:24:43.279 the suit, You got to figure. 1577 01:24:43.840 --> 01:24:45.359 What kind of animal are you gonna play? So I 1578 01:24:45.479 --> 01:24:47.439 was like decide, I was going to play a dog, 1579 01:24:48.479 --> 01:24:52.520 like like like a friendly German shepherd and do that 1580 01:24:52.640 --> 01:24:54.439 kind of stuff. And Elliott was great. He would go, 1581 01:24:54.720 --> 01:24:56.640 and it works when you cock your head this way 1582 01:24:57.039 --> 01:24:59.960 or when you keep moving. He would like, give me like, look, 1583 01:25:00.800 --> 01:25:03.920 and it works better for me when if you do 1584 01:25:04.039 --> 01:25:06.880 this or do that for the scene, and I would, 1585 01:25:07.239 --> 01:25:09.880 because you're inside a damn suit. You don't know what 1586 01:25:10.000 --> 01:25:12.960 you're looking like. I wasn't watching laid backs and stuff, 1587 01:25:13.720 --> 01:25:16.359 and I didn't get to go to dailies, so like 1588 01:25:16.439 --> 01:25:19.199 Elliott would, he said, this helps me if you do this, 1589 01:25:19.399 --> 01:25:22.039 or helps me if you do that. Well, And it 1590 01:25:22.119 --> 01:25:25.640 was probably more difficult for him playing against this stupid 1591 01:25:25.720 --> 01:25:28.920 stuffed animal or that it was for me, but it 1592 01:25:29.000 --> 01:25:31.199 was fine. Then he plays a comment and a scam 1593 01:25:31.359 --> 01:25:34.199 and is of course they'll love interested all that, but 1594 01:25:35.199 --> 01:25:37.880 it was it was a tough movie to do. He 1595 01:25:37.960 --> 01:25:40.960 had me on wires a couple of times, tried to 1596 01:25:41.000 --> 01:25:43.000 like jump me over the A lot of things didn't 1597 01:25:43.039 --> 01:25:46.279 end up in the movieump like leaping over from the 1598 01:25:46.399 --> 01:25:47.880 ground up into the ring. 1599 01:25:48.800 --> 01:25:51.039 Yeah, I was when you were talking about that air ram, 1600 01:25:51.079 --> 01:25:52.800 I was like, I don't remember any scene like that. 1601 01:25:54.039 --> 01:25:56.439 Yeah, because I hopped so well, they didn't even have 1602 01:25:56.560 --> 01:25:58.880 to use it. What it was for was to put 1603 01:25:59.000 --> 01:26:01.319 in my corner of the ring and hit the button 1604 01:26:01.640 --> 01:26:04.279 so I could leap into the center. But I had 1605 01:26:04.319 --> 01:26:08.399 such springy legs at that I didn't need it. I 1606 01:26:08.560 --> 01:26:10.319 was twenty eight at the time too. That's the kind 1607 01:26:10.319 --> 01:26:11.920 of stuff you do when you're twenty eight and have 1608 01:26:11.960 --> 01:26:14.880 a lot of entergy. I did another kangaroo in a 1609 01:26:14.920 --> 01:26:21.399 movie after that called story Book and Milton Brale and 1610 01:26:22.239 --> 01:26:27.079 Richard Maule from Night Court, remember Night Court, And it 1611 01:26:27.199 --> 01:26:30.239 was a movie called story Book. But in this one 1612 01:26:30.319 --> 01:26:33.439 the kangaroo talked. It was we had an hawsy accent 1613 01:26:33.479 --> 01:26:35.800 and all that, and I went Oh my god. That 1614 01:26:35.920 --> 01:26:38.720 was years later, and it was tough doing that again, 1615 01:26:38.840 --> 01:26:42.119 hopping around and but that's it was a lot lighter 1616 01:26:42.159 --> 01:26:45.439 than the Matilda suit. The Matilda suit was heavy and come. 1617 01:26:46.279 --> 01:26:49.239 More than your fair share of being a kangaroo and stuff. 1618 01:26:49.880 --> 01:26:51.760 Oh yeah, I would say this towns made an animal 1619 01:26:51.800 --> 01:26:55.960 out of me. I've done Gorilla Bear. I've done bears 1620 01:26:56.119 --> 01:26:58.840 in a lot of movies, like Back to the Future 1621 01:26:58.960 --> 01:27:04.279 three and Beverly Hillbillies. But I a lot of like 1622 01:27:04.680 --> 01:27:06.960 like in Kujo, you're you're doubling the animal using the 1623 01:27:07.039 --> 01:27:10.039 real animal, and you're doing steenes that either the animal 1624 01:27:10.079 --> 01:27:13.119 won't do or it's too dangerous for the other cast 1625 01:27:13.399 --> 01:27:14.680 to be close to the animal. 1626 01:27:15.359 --> 01:27:16.520 And then they put you in the suit. 1627 01:27:16.840 --> 01:27:18.640 But see in that movie, like a lot of movies, 1628 01:27:19.159 --> 01:27:22.800 it's the real animal, and then they're using just shots 1629 01:27:22.840 --> 01:27:25.279 of you in the suit. But in until it was 1630 01:27:25.479 --> 01:27:29.680 only me in the suit, so it was different. In hindsight, 1631 01:27:29.760 --> 01:27:32.520 they probably should have let the audience in on the secret. 1632 01:27:32.840 --> 01:27:34.920 I think it would it would have been more successful, 1633 01:27:35.800 --> 01:27:37.399 you know, review wise and all that. 1634 01:27:38.279 --> 01:27:40.920 After the movie opened, when you said you were doing 1635 01:27:40.960 --> 01:27:44.279 those promo tours and stuff, were they still trying to 1636 01:27:44.800 --> 01:27:48.359 pass you off as a real kangaroo or nah. 1637 01:27:49.079 --> 01:27:51.199 Now, I remember we did the Carson Show. It's obviously 1638 01:27:51.239 --> 01:27:53.439 a guy in the suit, you know. But they still 1639 01:27:53.560 --> 01:27:56.920 they did a whole press package and they talked about Whammo, 1640 01:27:57.039 --> 01:27:59.960 the kangaroo and the special van they had to keep 1641 01:28:00.039 --> 01:28:02.720 bit air condition and the whole thing, and the altitude, 1642 01:28:02.760 --> 01:28:05.199 and then a little blurb about in certain of the 1643 01:28:05.279 --> 01:28:08.680 boxing sequences these the stunman in the suit. But back 1644 01:28:09.000 --> 01:28:12.039 it was this whole press package about the real kangaroo 1645 01:28:12.119 --> 01:28:14.319 that they never showed you in the movie at all. 1646 01:28:15.479 --> 01:28:18.239 That was one of those things. Already was so busy 1647 01:28:18.359 --> 01:28:21.560 selling this movie. He sold foreire rights in this right. 1648 01:28:22.039 --> 01:28:24.199 I don't think he cared more about selling it than 1649 01:28:24.239 --> 01:28:27.079 he did about making the movie. And he did. He 1650 01:28:27.439 --> 01:28:30.439 said he still paid all the investors because he made 1651 01:28:31.039 --> 01:28:34.920 the movie made money on paper. It wasn't a success 1652 01:28:34.960 --> 01:28:39.039 at the box office. But it's the classic cigar chomping 1653 01:28:39.319 --> 01:28:43.399 big producer. This movie's better be a monster and make 1654 01:28:43.479 --> 01:28:46.000 a g rain in. Movie's gotta be a monster, forget 1655 01:28:46.079 --> 01:28:48.560 about it. And we had a lot of the guys 1656 01:28:48.640 --> 01:28:51.560 from the Godfather in the movie. A Lenny Montanda that 1657 01:28:51.640 --> 01:28:55.199 played Luca Broadfeet was in Matilda. He was one of 1658 01:28:55.279 --> 01:28:58.199 the thugs, and a bunch of the guys that were 1659 01:28:58.720 --> 01:29:02.119 in The Godfather played the thugs in Matilda. 1660 01:29:03.039 --> 01:29:05.000 Yeah, that was so strange to see him. And then 1661 01:29:05.199 --> 01:29:08.640 that kind of Godfather knockoff song that they would play 1662 01:29:08.680 --> 01:29:11.399 every time they were on the screen. It was good 1663 01:29:11.439 --> 01:29:13.640 to see him, though. I always liked him as Luca Brozzi. 1664 01:29:14.479 --> 01:29:16.720 And There's somebody because I literally I go, I once 1665 01:29:16.800 --> 01:29:19.600 wrestled with Luca Brozi and the kangarooster. They go get 1666 01:29:19.800 --> 01:29:24.039 out of he like what the little trivia things. Yeah, 1667 01:29:24.119 --> 01:29:28.800 I fought Luca Brozzi, Lenny Montana, and half called in 1668 01:29:28.880 --> 01:29:31.760 all his favors, all those mafia guys from the movie 1669 01:29:31.960 --> 01:29:35.239 to from The Godfather to be in Matilda. But like 1670 01:29:35.359 --> 01:29:38.439 I said, the script was so charming. I read that script, 1671 01:29:38.479 --> 01:29:39.920 I went, oh my god, I just want to be 1672 01:29:40.000 --> 01:29:41.680 part of this. This movie is gonna be a classic. 1673 01:29:42.560 --> 01:29:45.199 Didn't turn out to be, but the script was just 1674 01:29:45.760 --> 01:29:49.000 I could see why Elliott and Nichem and all that 1675 01:29:49.319 --> 01:29:53.039 wanted to do it because it read so charming. Yeah, 1676 01:29:53.079 --> 01:29:55.640 and it was g rated. I remember already. It was 1677 01:29:55.680 --> 01:29:57.399 like it was first like g rated movie he wanted 1678 01:29:57.439 --> 01:29:59.279 to make a family film. I don't know why, but 1679 01:30:00.600 --> 01:30:04.199 she rated a big something for everybody. There was a 1680 01:30:04.279 --> 01:30:07.399 guy that he hired for Matilda that he actually named 1681 01:30:07.560 --> 01:30:11.840 Joe the Fish. Joe the Fish I think he died since, 1682 01:30:12.439 --> 01:30:15.720 but he actually got Joe to Fish be like liaison 1683 01:30:15.800 --> 01:30:19.159 between the Mafia guys when they were doing The Godfather 1684 01:30:19.199 --> 01:30:21.960 because they didn't want a Nate he was. I'm sure 1685 01:30:22.000 --> 01:30:24.800 you read all kinds of stuff about the Godfather. The 1686 01:30:25.119 --> 01:30:27.760 real Mafia guys didn't want this movie made, and he 1687 01:30:27.880 --> 01:30:31.000 got Joe to Fish to help him out. And Jodah 1688 01:30:31.000 --> 01:30:35.159 Fish was on Matilda, a sweet guy, but a real 1689 01:30:35.880 --> 01:30:40.800 like old mafioa guy. And the guys on on Matilda, 1690 01:30:40.920 --> 01:30:43.079 which were some of the real Mafia guys, they'd be 1691 01:30:43.159 --> 01:30:47.159 sitting around telling like mafia stories. When you on a movie, 1692 01:30:47.199 --> 01:30:49.199 a lot of the stunt guys you sit around, you 1693 01:30:49.319 --> 01:30:52.600 tell war stories, like stunt stories and remember this time 1694 01:30:52.640 --> 01:30:54.920 you missed. You either missed the Carl way, you know, 1695 01:30:55.560 --> 01:30:59.039 or Soodzo didn't fill the ear bag up. War stories 1696 01:30:59.079 --> 01:31:03.600 about spunts. These guys were telling like mafia's stories, and 1697 01:31:03.800 --> 01:31:06.000 I mean like real mafia stories. I was sitting by going, 1698 01:31:06.159 --> 01:31:09.000 oh my god, these you're talking about like hidden in 1699 01:31:09.119 --> 01:31:11.199 and shit, you know what I mean. It was like, 1700 01:31:12.159 --> 01:31:15.920 I don't know, I said, this is real. They were 1701 01:31:15.960 --> 01:31:17.479 just sitting with themselves and talking. 1702 01:31:17.640 --> 01:31:18.399 I remember when. 1703 01:31:18.359 --> 01:31:21.359 Louis miss did and all that. I'm like, oh my god, 1704 01:31:22.159 --> 01:31:24.640 movies are great. The people that you know you're put 1705 01:31:24.680 --> 01:31:27.560 together with movies, the places you go and the people 1706 01:31:27.600 --> 01:31:30.600 that you get to hang out, whether it is so bizarre, 1707 01:31:31.560 --> 01:31:35.039 such a fun thing about doing movies. And even I 1708 01:31:35.159 --> 01:31:37.279 was in a kangaroo suit, but it was like after 1709 01:31:37.399 --> 01:31:40.439 Rocky came out. I was in Reno and I remember 1710 01:31:40.640 --> 01:31:44.760 hopping down the corridor going into the ring as if 1711 01:31:45.079 --> 01:31:48.479 like a heavyweight champion with the robe. And when Elliott 1712 01:31:48.520 --> 01:31:51.439 girl and everybody walking down the thing like going into 1713 01:31:51.479 --> 01:31:54.039 the ring. It was a truth that you felt like 1714 01:31:54.079 --> 01:31:57.760 a damn with the full crowd and the thing while 1715 01:31:57.840 --> 01:32:01.159 the band was playing Waltzing Matilda. It was a trip. 1716 01:32:01.359 --> 01:32:02.199 It was really sudden. 1717 01:32:03.000 --> 01:32:04.239 He must have felt like a champ. 1718 01:32:07.119 --> 01:32:08.720 When do you get to do that in your life 1719 01:32:08.920 --> 01:32:12.039 with a folk out of everything. Art Matrono was in 1720 01:32:12.119 --> 01:32:15.840 that too, and Elliott and Artmatrona were paled. Both of 1721 01:32:15.840 --> 01:32:17.439 them were like betting on everything. 1722 01:32:18.319 --> 01:32:21.840 It's funny. I didn't realize I'm supposed to to Joseph 1723 01:32:21.880 --> 01:32:25.600 Walsh later on this week, the guy that wrote California Split, 1724 01:32:26.399 --> 01:32:30.560 And I didn't realize just how inte betting Elliott was. 1725 01:32:31.439 --> 01:32:35.680 Oh yeah, And Elliott is into sports, all kinds of sports. 1726 01:32:36.479 --> 01:32:38.239 And it was so sweet because I'm not at all 1727 01:32:39.079 --> 01:32:42.520 I would have like stupid rudimentary questions about certain sports 1728 01:32:42.560 --> 01:32:45.520 and he's betting us, and Elliott associates stop and take 1729 01:32:45.600 --> 01:32:49.000 the time and really explain what's going on to me 1730 01:32:49.680 --> 01:32:52.520 instead of going, what are you kidding? You don't even 1731 01:32:52.520 --> 01:32:56.000 know what that means. Hell, you're like on a football 1732 01:32:56.000 --> 01:32:59.000 game or something, and he's tordly stopped and explained it 1733 01:32:59.079 --> 01:32:59.520 to your light. 1734 01:32:59.640 --> 01:32:59.800 You know. 1735 01:33:00.159 --> 01:33:02.600 Elliott Gould, if I could say anything about him is 1736 01:33:03.000 --> 01:33:06.479 he's a kind man, great with his kids, real family, 1737 01:33:06.479 --> 01:33:08.000 and every time he calls, he just wants to know 1738 01:33:08.039 --> 01:33:11.079 how my kids are and all that. My kids are 1739 01:33:11.119 --> 01:33:12.960 at thirty and thirty three now and his kids are 1740 01:33:13.720 --> 01:33:17.239 close to forty. But it's still how he wants to 1741 01:33:17.319 --> 01:33:19.960 know about the kids and all that. He's just a sweetheart. 1742 01:33:21.079 --> 01:33:24.920 And Elliott's ups and downs too that I remember seeing 1743 01:33:24.920 --> 01:33:27.560 an article about him. Got a few years ago, before 1744 01:33:27.720 --> 01:33:30.600 of the Ocean's eleven, he was living like in a 1745 01:33:30.720 --> 01:33:33.760 small place in Venice. And now he goes to me, 1746 01:33:33.960 --> 01:33:37.119 Ellie goes, what do I need? I just need nice 1747 01:33:37.159 --> 01:33:39.760 little kitchen and a little clean place, and I don't 1748 01:33:39.800 --> 01:33:42.319 need much in life. He's had a lot and he's 1749 01:33:42.319 --> 01:33:45.159 had a little, and he seems to be okay with 1750 01:33:45.279 --> 01:33:47.720 it all. I have only good things to say about Eli. 1751 01:33:47.840 --> 01:33:48.640 He's such a sweet guy. 1752 01:33:49.239 --> 01:33:51.760 I think trying to find somebody that's got bad things 1753 01:33:51.800 --> 01:33:54.199 to say about him is going to be a real chore, 1754 01:33:54.640 --> 01:33:58.640 because everybody said really nice things. It's been great talking 1755 01:33:58.680 --> 01:34:01.359 to folks, and no matter what they just they've echoed 1756 01:34:01.399 --> 01:34:03.720 a lot of your sentiments. Sound it's been terrific. 1757 01:34:04.680 --> 01:34:07.079 Now I'm a little guy. Elliott is a big guy. 1758 01:34:08.159 --> 01:34:10.079 You got a big head, and Beckndy he took a 1759 01:34:10.279 --> 01:34:14.279 large a large guy, and I'm like the exact opposite. 1760 01:34:14.319 --> 01:34:17.399 I'm going a little skiddy acrobat. There you have it, 1761 01:34:18.079 --> 01:34:19.880 help I shed sunlight for you. 1762 01:34:33.279 --> 01:34:35.439 Last, but not least, we're gonna hear from Elliott Gould 1763 01:34:35.680 --> 01:34:38.239 where I first started asking him what he remembers most 1764 01:34:38.359 --> 01:34:39.680 about Matilda. 1765 01:34:39.920 --> 01:34:43.199 Al Ruddy, who produced did he also produce The Godfather? 1766 01:34:44.279 --> 01:34:48.239 Offered me to do the picture, and I had always 1767 01:34:48.319 --> 01:34:53.880 admired Danny Mann as a filmmaker and director. I knew 1768 01:34:53.920 --> 01:34:57.760 a little bit about Paul Gallagher, who was a sportswriter, 1769 01:34:58.199 --> 01:35:01.960 and so they offered it to me and we did it. 1770 01:35:02.800 --> 01:35:04.359 Had you worked with Danny Mann before? 1771 01:35:04.920 --> 01:35:08.520 I don't think so, but I knew his work, especially 1772 01:35:08.680 --> 01:35:12.960 The Last Angry Man, and then I discovered during the 1773 01:35:13.119 --> 01:35:17.960 course of working with him on the picture that his 1774 01:35:18.319 --> 01:35:23.279 father had been I think the lawyer for Shola Malechem, 1775 01:35:23.720 --> 01:35:27.960 who was a rather renowned Jewish writer. 1776 01:35:29.000 --> 01:35:29.840 How about already? 1777 01:35:30.600 --> 01:35:33.720 I think I knew Al Ruddy or I had met 1778 01:35:33.920 --> 01:35:39.439 Al Ruddy, and perhaps it was always right for us 1779 01:35:39.520 --> 01:35:43.359 to try to work together. I think a picture he made, 1780 01:35:43.880 --> 01:35:49.560 million Dollar Baby. Al Ruddy was quite a producer. The 1781 01:35:49.760 --> 01:35:56.199 story works, but the make believe kangaroo didn't work. 1782 01:35:57.279 --> 01:35:59.119 But I loved to work. 1783 01:35:59.279 --> 01:36:04.560 I loved to work and loved the opportunity to collaborate 1784 01:36:04.800 --> 01:36:09.640 with whatever team I'm working with on the production of 1785 01:36:09.840 --> 01:36:10.840 a motion picture. 1786 01:36:11.640 --> 01:36:13.119 I think some of the people were put out by 1787 01:36:13.159 --> 01:36:14.439 the lack of a real kangaroo. 1788 01:36:15.359 --> 01:36:20.279 We went to the ASPCA downtown New York and I 1789 01:36:20.399 --> 01:36:24.800 took some pictures with the real kangaroo and a life 1790 01:36:24.880 --> 01:36:28.640 size one of those large kangaroos, and it kicked me 1791 01:36:28.800 --> 01:36:33.000 and bit me, but it was alive. I'm sure they 1792 01:36:33.079 --> 01:36:35.840 had thought of it, but I just did the best 1793 01:36:36.039 --> 01:36:40.640 with what we had. I love animals, the kangaroos. I've 1794 01:36:40.720 --> 01:36:44.840 done a couple of pictures in Australia. And also they 1795 01:36:45.000 --> 01:36:50.560 hired the late great Clive Revel to play the trainer 1796 01:36:50.880 --> 01:36:57.720 of the kangaroo. And we had a wonderful, wonderful actor 1797 01:36:58.800 --> 01:37:02.920 in the body suited the kangaroo. That was somebody named 1798 01:37:03.000 --> 01:37:09.319 Gary Morgan, who was a fabulous artist. I'm sorry that 1799 01:37:10.039 --> 01:37:16.039 that wasn't believable and I had to relied on my 1800 01:37:17.479 --> 01:37:18.720 director and my. 1801 01:37:19.479 --> 01:37:23.479 Producer to get it to work. 1802 01:37:23.560 --> 01:37:26.760 But we did the best we could with what we had, 1803 01:37:27.159 --> 01:37:33.159 and of course the source material was fun and Paul 1804 01:37:33.239 --> 01:37:39.520 Gallagho was a leading sports writer during his time, so 1805 01:37:40.680 --> 01:37:43.680 you know, it was an opportunity to work on something. 1806 01:37:43.800 --> 01:37:48.039 And not everything we do works, but the idea is 1807 01:37:48.239 --> 01:37:48.760 to work. 1808 01:37:49.800 --> 01:37:51.279 How is it working with Art Matrono. 1809 01:37:52.279 --> 01:37:55.800 Art Matronto was great. He was in all of the 1810 01:37:56.039 --> 01:38:01.520 police Academy Movies. Matronto was a great, a lifelong friend 1811 01:38:01.600 --> 01:38:06.479 of mine. And then there's also Harry Guardino, he was 1812 01:38:06.680 --> 01:38:11.800 fabulous in the movies and Lino Standard that was a 1813 01:38:11.880 --> 01:38:15.319 great that was worth something because he would tell me 1814 01:38:15.439 --> 01:38:18.760 all about Robert de Niro. He worked with de Niro, 1815 01:38:19.680 --> 01:38:22.760 who was one of our favorite What. 1816 01:38:22.840 --> 01:38:24.399 Do you remember the most about the production? 1817 01:38:25.399 --> 01:38:29.960 I remember most about the production was that I would 1818 01:38:30.000 --> 01:38:33.680 have lunch with Robert Mitchum every day and he would 1819 01:38:33.760 --> 01:38:36.840 bring it. We wouldn't go out, we would have a 1820 01:38:37.359 --> 01:38:42.600 lunch close to the set indoors. And I also remember 1821 01:38:42.840 --> 01:38:50.000 that I had another lifelong friend, Charlie Brill, who was 1822 01:38:50.199 --> 01:38:56.479 half of a comedy team, but Charlie Brill and Mitzi McCall. 1823 01:38:57.560 --> 01:39:01.960 Mitzi was his wife and their lifelong friends of mine. 1824 01:39:02.920 --> 01:39:06.680 What do I remember most my lunch is with the 1825 01:39:07.520 --> 01:39:13.199 mitchem getting to talk with Danny Mann, who had directed 1826 01:39:13.640 --> 01:39:18.720 Paul Muni in The Last Angry Men, as well as 1827 01:39:19.600 --> 01:39:25.279 working with all of those friends of mine. And for me, 1828 01:39:25.880 --> 01:39:32.239 it's always a good experience to work in a movie 1829 01:39:32.880 --> 01:39:35.720 with people with the crew, because. 1830 01:39:35.479 --> 01:39:38.560 We are all working to do the same thing. 1831 01:39:39.520 --> 01:39:44.520 And I recall that already offered me hundreds of thousands 1832 01:39:44.600 --> 01:39:48.880 of dollars for him to buy back the position that 1833 01:39:49.039 --> 01:39:53.960 I had had in the profits of Matilda, because I 1834 01:39:54.239 --> 01:39:57.359 think that he thought that it could be a very 1835 01:39:57.520 --> 01:40:02.560 profitable picture course, and I thought, I want to be 1836 01:40:02.840 --> 01:40:07.840 loyal to our work. Why would I sell out? So 1837 01:40:08.039 --> 01:40:11.239 I didn't do it, and I got paid being a 1838 01:40:11.399 --> 01:40:13.359 union man, I got paid for working. 1839 01:40:14.199 --> 01:40:17.039 What do you remember about your love interest in Matilda, Well, 1840 01:40:17.119 --> 01:40:18.239 Karen Carlson. 1841 01:40:19.319 --> 01:40:20.199 I didn't know her. 1842 01:40:20.319 --> 01:40:22.880 I hadn't seen her, but she was very good to 1843 01:40:23.000 --> 01:40:27.039 work with and very easy to work with, and. 1844 01:40:27.119 --> 01:40:30.239 I thought she was right. She was good. 1845 01:40:31.159 --> 01:40:33.079 Mister Gould, thank you so much for your time tonight. 1846 01:40:33.479 --> 01:40:35.640 Thank you so much for the opportunity. 1847 01:40:35.760 --> 01:40:36.039 Thank you. 1848 01:40:36.199 --> 01:40:37.960 It is I was so nice talking with you. 1849 01:40:38.079 --> 01:40:38.960 I really appreciate it. 1850 01:40:52.199 --> 01:40:53.920 All Right, we are back and we were talking about 1851 01:40:54.000 --> 01:40:58.760 Matilda and Calm. You have done just the most amazing 1852 01:40:59.000 --> 01:41:03.600 job of finding other kangaroo related films, or at least 1853 01:41:03.640 --> 01:41:07.520 boxing kangaroo films, even back to what was that the 1854 01:41:07.600 --> 01:41:10.479 first one? It was like it wasn't the Loumier Brothers, 1855 01:41:10.520 --> 01:41:11.880 but it was pretty damn close. 1856 01:41:12.760 --> 01:41:16.760 It was like the Germany's, you know, Loumier, there's something 1857 01:41:16.760 --> 01:41:21.840 like eighteen ninety five, because it's only like ten seconds. 1858 01:41:22.479 --> 01:41:25.000 Early boxing kangaroo goes all the way back to the 1859 01:41:25.199 --> 01:41:26.439 inception of cinema. 1860 01:41:27.319 --> 01:41:29.800 Yeah, there was an article I found, I think it 1861 01:41:29.840 --> 01:41:35.279 was in Vice that also referenced a Philadelphia zoo that 1862 01:41:36.199 --> 01:41:42.039 the zookeeper would do these stunts with the kangaroo there 1863 01:41:42.600 --> 01:41:45.479 and would box him, and so yeah, I guess it 1864 01:41:45.640 --> 01:41:50.199 was a popular trope in the eighteen nineties side shows 1865 01:41:50.279 --> 01:41:53.399 and stuff. Yeah, even just watching those films from like 1866 01:41:53.439 --> 01:41:57.840 the eighteen nineties, it's I found that uncomfortable. It's a 1867 01:41:57.960 --> 01:41:59.800 sad and that's why I was. 1868 01:42:00.960 --> 01:42:01.800 I enjoy the. 1869 01:42:02.920 --> 01:42:07.000 Ridiculous costume of Matilda's I don't, as I said, I 1870 01:42:07.239 --> 01:42:11.479 don't think this would. I think the less realistic Matilda is, 1871 01:42:12.840 --> 01:42:16.000 the more fairy tale it is, the more enjoyable it is. 1872 01:42:16.800 --> 01:42:20.600 Philadelphia, Philadelphia zookeeper was doing that with boxing and kangaroo. 1873 01:42:21.319 --> 01:42:23.600 According to the article on Weiss, this was in the 1874 01:42:23.640 --> 01:42:24.840 eighteen nineties. 1875 01:42:24.720 --> 01:42:27.199 Okay, because I mean, wasn't in the seventies when Chuck 1876 01:42:27.239 --> 01:42:31.720 Webner would box the bear. Well, I'm not sure I 1877 01:42:31.800 --> 01:42:33.439 heard about that would happen in Philadelphia. 1878 01:42:33.479 --> 01:42:33.600 Too. 1879 01:42:33.720 --> 01:42:36.680 Chuck Webner would try to box bears. 1880 01:42:38.239 --> 01:42:39.399 I was at a convention. 1881 01:42:39.560 --> 01:42:42.880 I saw this wrestling bear, so I said, you know what, 1882 01:42:43.279 --> 01:42:44.840 I'll ask my buddy Chuck. 1883 01:42:44.760 --> 01:42:45.840 If he'll fight the bear. 1884 01:42:46.479 --> 01:42:49.199 So here is Victor the Bear. 1885 01:42:49.800 --> 01:42:51.920 I don't get any ring with just any bear. This 1886 01:42:52.640 --> 01:42:54.479 the bear. He was on the At Sullivan show. 1887 01:42:54.520 --> 01:42:56.119 Who the very royal fame is bear? 1888 01:42:57.640 --> 01:43:00.600 Yeah, the whole idea of boxing kangaroo, like, I was 1889 01:43:00.720 --> 01:43:03.760 not familiar with that at all other than the one 1890 01:43:03.920 --> 01:43:05.840 character that they had and a lot of the Warner 1891 01:43:05.920 --> 01:43:09.479 Brothers cartoons, the Hippoty Hopper or something, but he was 1892 01:43:09.520 --> 01:43:12.520 in like hop look and listen or hop him pop and. 1893 01:43:12.920 --> 01:43:16.640 Yeah I watched that one, right, Sylvester. 1894 01:43:16.760 --> 01:43:17.479 And that was the whole thing. 1895 01:43:17.520 --> 01:43:21.119 It was like Sylvester in his weird, controlling little kid 1896 01:43:21.359 --> 01:43:24.520 version of Sylvester who would always be like, yeah, get 1897 01:43:24.600 --> 01:43:26.159 him pop, get him pop. It was all about like 1898 01:43:26.199 --> 01:43:29.319 Sylvester trying to teach his kid how to like I 1899 01:43:29.439 --> 01:43:31.159 don't remember which one it was, but one of them 1900 01:43:31.319 --> 01:43:33.359 was like, I want to teach how to mouse. And 1901 01:43:33.479 --> 01:43:36.239 then they always think that this kangaroo is a giant 1902 01:43:36.319 --> 01:43:37.840 mouse rather than a giant rabbit. 1903 01:43:38.439 --> 01:43:39.960 Why are you looking at me like that? 1904 01:43:40.239 --> 01:43:43.119 Sun? Don't you believe there was a giant mouse? 1905 01:43:43.479 --> 01:43:47.880 Yes, I do, pop because there's one in back of you. Now, oh, 1906 01:43:48.159 --> 01:43:51.199 come now, kid, I'll do the fibbing around here. 1907 01:43:52.039 --> 01:43:54.399 And then there's always, yeah, like a lot of boxing 1908 01:43:54.520 --> 01:43:58.119 going on, and of course Sylvester takes the brunt of everything. 1909 01:43:58.439 --> 01:44:02.600 And there was a Mickey Mouse cartoon where kangaroo shows 1910 01:44:02.680 --> 01:44:08.199 up and destroys Pluto's doghouse. And then somehow there's two 1911 01:44:08.359 --> 01:44:13.319 kangaroos and they go to a gymnasium and hilarity in 1912 01:44:13.439 --> 01:44:14.279 mayhemmon Zeus. 1913 01:44:15.159 --> 01:44:17.640 Oh, going back to the very early one. It was 1914 01:44:17.720 --> 01:44:22.399 from eighteen ninety five. My German is very bad, but 1915 01:44:22.640 --> 01:44:26.000 it is dust boxing Dick Hanguru just. 1916 01:44:26.079 --> 01:44:28.199 To be a complete ust. And then there was a 1917 01:44:28.560 --> 01:44:34.319 thirties Hollywood movie where Jimmy durantiif boxes at kangaroo, but 1918 01:44:34.399 --> 01:44:35.279 I could not find that. 1919 01:44:36.359 --> 01:44:38.640 Then, of course, you know, like we've talked about kangaroos 1920 01:44:38.680 --> 01:44:41.960 on this podcast before, there's the kangaroos that are in 1921 01:44:42.399 --> 01:44:46.039 Tank Girl. A lot of action sequences there. There's the 1922 01:44:46.840 --> 01:44:49.880 Warriors of Virtue. Do you guys remember that one where 1923 01:44:50.720 --> 01:44:53.800 it was a martial arts movie from ninety seven. I 1924 01:44:53.920 --> 01:44:57.279 think it was like kind of tying into the whole 1925 01:44:57.479 --> 01:45:00.880 Hong Kong handover and all of the directors that would 1926 01:45:00.920 --> 01:45:03.359 come over. It was a Ronnie you film, that's right. 1927 01:45:03.800 --> 01:45:05.760 That was like his first American film, wasn't it. 1928 01:45:06.119 --> 01:45:06.279 Yeah? 1929 01:45:06.479 --> 01:45:09.399 I think so, yeah, yeah. And then of course, you know, 1930 01:45:09.640 --> 01:45:12.760 no discussion of kangaroo movies can be complete without talking 1931 01:45:12.760 --> 01:45:17.039 about Kangaroo Jack. Of yes, yes, which is the opposite 1932 01:45:17.840 --> 01:45:23.119 of having the creature be a person in a puppet suit, 1933 01:45:23.520 --> 01:45:27.479 where I think almost all, if not all, of Kangaroo 1934 01:45:27.560 --> 01:45:30.439 Jack the movie is a cig kangaroo, right, Yeah, that's right. 1935 01:45:31.119 --> 01:45:32.479 I thought you were going to say that it's a 1936 01:45:32.560 --> 01:45:35.680 real kangaroo. And then a kangaroo in a human suit. 1937 01:45:36.079 --> 01:45:36.960 Oh, there you go. 1938 01:45:37.399 --> 01:45:40.920 It just zips down the front and the sides fly open. 1939 01:45:42.119 --> 01:45:46.760 It's actually a cameo from Elliott Gould. Oddly, Kangaroo Jack 1940 01:45:46.880 --> 01:45:50.920 originally conceived as an R rated mob comedy entitled Down 1941 01:45:51.000 --> 01:45:54.880 and Under. Negative test screenings led producer Jerry Bruckheimer to 1942 01:45:55.079 --> 01:45:58.560 retool the film into a PG rated film, heavily re 1943 01:45:58.800 --> 01:46:03.399 editing it and adding scenes of an anthropomorphic kangaroo, and 1944 01:46:03.560 --> 01:46:08.800 there was an animated direct to video sequel called Kangaroo 1945 01:46:08.920 --> 01:46:11.000 Jack Good Day USA. 1946 01:46:11.760 --> 01:46:12.560 I said a hit. 1947 01:46:17.199 --> 01:46:21.319 Walk aside, Kangaroo Jack is back in a brand new 1948 01:46:21.479 --> 01:46:25.119 animated adventure with his friends Charlie and Lewis. If they 1949 01:46:25.239 --> 01:46:31.760 think they're any braver, any tougher, any smarter, then they 1950 01:46:31.920 --> 01:46:33.399 still don't know Jack. 1951 01:46:34.439 --> 01:46:37.399 This is supposed to be an action piece. I'm not 1952 01:46:37.800 --> 01:46:40.079 feeling it. It's an all new, full. 1953 01:46:39.920 --> 01:46:44.760 Length animated feature from the Kid's movie collection, Kangaroo Jack, 1954 01:46:44.960 --> 01:46:48.239 Good Gay USA, coming exclusively to DVD and video. 1955 01:46:49.279 --> 01:46:51.760 Do you have a work print of that Kangaroo Jack. 1956 01:46:52.680 --> 01:46:55.239 I don't, but god, I would love to get my 1957 01:46:55.319 --> 01:46:55.840 ants on it. 1958 01:46:55.960 --> 01:47:00.880 Right I'm just morbidly curious about because it sounds like, 1959 01:47:01.079 --> 01:47:03.960 from what you said, there was no kangaroo in the original. 1960 01:47:04.479 --> 01:47:08.000 I just remember the trailer for that and how embarrassing 1961 01:47:08.159 --> 01:47:12.880 the trailer was. Like Jerry O'Connell and Anthony Anderson. I 1962 01:47:13.079 --> 01:47:16.159 just felt so bad for them in that trailer. Judging 1963 01:47:16.279 --> 01:47:19.359 from some of these character names, because I still haven't 1964 01:47:19.359 --> 01:47:22.840 seen Kangaroo Jack, but judging just from the character names, 1965 01:47:23.840 --> 01:47:27.399 you've got a Stella Warren as Jesse, a member of 1966 01:47:27.439 --> 01:47:31.399 the Outback Wildlife Foundation so I would think maybe kind 1967 01:47:31.399 --> 01:47:37.439 of Aspca lady, and then Christopher Walken as Salmaggio, a mobster, 1968 01:47:37.720 --> 01:47:42.720 and Charlie's stepfather, and Diane Cannon as Ana Carbone. So 1969 01:47:42.840 --> 01:47:46.079 we've got a lot of oh, Michael Shannon, Michael Shannon 1970 01:47:46.239 --> 01:47:51.840 nice as Frankie Lombardo, so we definitely are keeping all 1971 01:47:51.960 --> 01:47:56.800 of the mob stuff. And kangaroo Jack apparently does have 1972 01:47:56.920 --> 01:48:02.079 a voice that looks like Adam Garcia kangaroo Jack. So 1973 01:48:02.439 --> 01:48:05.920 a red kangaroo on whom Lewis puts his lucky jacket. 1974 01:48:06.720 --> 01:48:08.800 Well, I think that's the scene where Jeri O'Connell gets 1975 01:48:08.840 --> 01:48:11.800 like hit on the head and he hallucinates like a 1976 01:48:11.960 --> 01:48:13.760 rapping kangaroo rapping. 1977 01:48:14.039 --> 01:48:19.560 Yes, it did win one award talking about kangaroo Jack. Still. 1978 01:48:19.760 --> 01:48:24.800 It was on the Kids Choice Awards. It won Favorite 1979 01:48:24.920 --> 01:48:27.720 Fart in a Movie. But it wasn't kangaro Jack. It 1980 01:48:27.880 --> 01:48:29.800 was Anthony Anderson who won. 1981 01:48:30.199 --> 01:48:32.600 Somebody's got to win and they. 1982 01:48:32.520 --> 01:48:36.359 Were only nominated Anthony Anderson and Christopher walking for We're 1983 01:48:36.399 --> 01:48:39.880 Supporting Actor by the Razzie Award. So fuck those guys anyway, 1984 01:48:40.520 --> 01:48:43.359 because that's where, like most of the writing that I 1985 01:48:43.560 --> 01:48:47.560 was able to find about Matilda was in Like the 1986 01:48:47.640 --> 01:48:50.720 Golden Turkeys, the book that you shared with me colin 1987 01:48:50.800 --> 01:48:53.920 the Hollywood Walk of Shame. So it's like, oh, let's 1988 01:48:54.039 --> 01:48:56.439 just beat up on this movie. And it's easy to 1989 01:48:56.520 --> 01:48:59.600 beat up on. Obviously, this is a weird episode because 1990 01:48:59.640 --> 01:49:02.079 normally I'm just like, yes, let's share the wealth. But 1991 01:49:02.960 --> 01:49:05.640 this one's an odd movie. I would say I'm probably 1992 01:49:05.680 --> 01:49:07.840 a better person for having watched it, though. 1993 01:49:08.840 --> 01:49:11.119 You all know how I feel about this movie. I 1994 01:49:12.039 --> 01:49:13.359 find the heart charming. 1995 01:49:14.319 --> 01:49:16.479 I love it. I love that you love this movie. 1996 01:49:16.920 --> 01:49:20.319 Honestly, I'm not being facetious whatsoever. I think that's great. 1997 01:49:20.359 --> 01:49:23.000 And I'm so glad because I didn't want to just 1998 01:49:23.079 --> 01:49:25.600 come on here and beat this movie up, because there 1999 01:49:25.720 --> 01:49:28.079 is a lot of charm to it and this cast 2000 01:49:28.239 --> 01:49:29.239 is freaking amazing. 2001 01:49:29.840 --> 01:49:33.000 I'd like to think that somebody after listening to this 2002 01:49:33.680 --> 01:49:35.840 would have a decent idea if this is for them 2003 01:49:36.159 --> 01:49:40.680 or it's not. It's not a great movie made by 2004 01:49:40.800 --> 01:49:46.199 great people, and sometimes these ideas just don't work. And 2005 01:49:46.319 --> 01:49:51.640 they did the best they could, and I really enjoyed 2006 01:49:51.680 --> 01:49:55.000 everyone's effort. And I guess I just enjoy the sort 2007 01:49:55.039 --> 01:49:58.560 of fairy tale, sort of old fashioned fairy tale aspect 2008 01:49:58.640 --> 01:49:58.840 of it. 2009 01:50:00.000 --> 01:50:02.560 I haven't really touched upon the van they drive around in, 2010 01:50:03.000 --> 01:50:08.479 and I really love that, Like it's such a seventies van. 2011 01:50:08.600 --> 01:50:10.279 It looks like the kind of van they would put 2012 01:50:10.319 --> 01:50:12.319 in a movie that was making fun of the seventies. 2013 01:50:12.680 --> 01:50:13.520 That's a good point. 2014 01:50:14.199 --> 01:50:16.520 It's like it's got that cool bubble top and it's 2015 01:50:16.560 --> 01:50:18.720 got like a painting out of Matilda on the side. 2016 01:50:18.760 --> 01:50:23.039 And I love that van, and I love Lionel Stander, 2017 01:50:23.119 --> 01:50:26.119 and I loved all the references to the McDonald's, Like 2018 01:50:26.159 --> 01:50:28.800 there's things about it. I liked, you know, like it's 2019 01:50:29.279 --> 01:50:30.960 but I didn't like it as a whole. I liked 2020 01:50:31.000 --> 01:50:33.560 those things and there's like other things too. Also liked 2021 01:50:33.800 --> 01:50:37.680 the one line that Elliott Gould says, like his version 2022 01:50:37.720 --> 01:50:40.640 of is the both cat is the Pope cathlic and 2023 01:50:40.720 --> 01:50:42.880 his version was his rolls interested in Royce. 2024 01:50:43.880 --> 01:50:47.079 That is good, yeah, am I. The line I liked 2025 01:50:47.199 --> 01:50:50.000 was Lenny Montana and I'm not going to try to 2026 01:50:50.319 --> 01:50:54.199 do his voice when I'm through the Kangaroos in two. 2027 01:50:55.279 --> 01:50:59.800 It's just a silly mob. Brian, I'm a really cheap 2028 01:50:59.840 --> 01:51:00.199 Day eight. 2029 01:51:01.159 --> 01:51:04.399 Calling to your point from earlier, it feels like only 2030 01:51:04.479 --> 01:51:07.399 in the seventies. You know, it was a weird time 2031 01:51:07.520 --> 01:51:09.640 and a lot of stuff got green lit where you're 2032 01:51:09.680 --> 01:51:12.800 just like, what what are we doing here? Like even 2033 01:51:12.920 --> 01:51:16.039 like looking at you know, Ruddy's filmography and I'm like, 2034 01:51:16.159 --> 01:51:18.840 oh yeah, I forgot that. He he was the producer 2035 01:51:18.960 --> 01:51:23.079 of well, Canniball Run that's the eighties, but the producer 2036 01:51:23.159 --> 01:51:26.239 of Coonskin. I'm just like, wow, Okay, I mean I 2037 01:51:26.439 --> 01:51:30.319 love that movie, but it's just what a strange film. 2038 01:51:30.359 --> 01:51:32.560 I mean, all those Bakshi films in the seventies are 2039 01:51:32.680 --> 01:51:34.720 just like how did these get green lit? I what 2040 01:51:34.880 --> 01:51:36.079 a wonderful time to live in. 2041 01:51:36.960 --> 01:51:39.520 I've already also produced one of my favorite movies from 2042 01:51:39.520 --> 01:51:40.560 the eighties, Mega Force. 2043 01:51:41.359 --> 01:51:43.880 Oh yes, oh yeah, yeah. 2044 01:51:43.960 --> 01:51:46.520 I really wish I had gone back and talked with him. 2045 01:51:46.560 --> 01:51:49.560 I haven't listened to the interview that I did with 2046 01:51:49.640 --> 01:51:52.399 him since I did the interview, and I seem to 2047 01:51:52.439 --> 01:51:56.079 remember him getting kind of salty around The Godfather because 2048 01:51:56.119 --> 01:51:58.880 and I was basically like, I'm not going to ask 2049 01:51:58.920 --> 01:52:01.560 you anything about The Godfather because I hadn't seen it 2050 01:52:01.760 --> 01:52:03.680 like in a while, and I also wanted to do 2051 01:52:03.800 --> 01:52:05.600 a shit ton of research if I was going to 2052 01:52:05.920 --> 01:52:08.600 talk to the producer of The Godfather about The Godfather, 2053 01:52:09.279 --> 01:52:10.640 but I really don't even want to talk to you 2054 01:52:10.680 --> 01:52:12.319 about that right now. I would love to talk to 2055 01:52:12.359 --> 01:52:15.039 you about it someday, sir, I'd love to have a 2056 01:52:15.119 --> 01:52:19.239 conversation about that, and Cannamal Run and Mega Force and 2057 01:52:19.439 --> 01:52:20.760 speed Zone and all that. 2058 01:52:21.000 --> 01:52:22.600 But that right now. 2059 01:52:23.640 --> 01:52:26.520 What I really enjoyed about the interview with him. He 2060 01:52:26.640 --> 01:52:31.319 knew the movie didn't work, but he didn't seem bitter like. 2061 01:52:31.399 --> 01:52:35.720 He just seemed so overwhelmed with like good feelings about 2062 01:52:35.760 --> 01:52:40.479 working with Elliott Gould and I you know, with Gary 2063 01:52:40.720 --> 01:52:43.319 was also the same thing where you know, he didn't 2064 01:52:43.479 --> 01:52:46.960 enjoy being in the suit, but he just talked about 2065 01:52:46.960 --> 01:52:51.239 the camaraderie of the people and like loved working with Elliott, 2066 01:52:51.600 --> 01:52:55.399 and I think those good vibes kind of come across. 2067 01:52:56.319 --> 01:52:59.760 Yeah, nobody was hesitant to talk to me about this film, 2068 01:53:00.039 --> 01:53:03.279 which is pretty great, other than I never got a 2069 01:53:03.399 --> 01:53:08.119 response back from Karen Carlson's people, but that could just 2070 01:53:08.159 --> 01:53:10.520 because they never passed it on. But yeah, it's also 2071 01:53:10.680 --> 01:53:13.279 very sad how many of these folks have passed away. 2072 01:53:13.680 --> 01:53:16.279 I mean, it is that so many of these actors 2073 01:53:16.359 --> 01:53:19.199 were of that time where it's just like, I mean, hell, 2074 01:53:19.319 --> 01:53:21.119 you know, I was making fun of Rory Clarke earlier, 2075 01:53:21.239 --> 01:53:23.840 just a bit, but I mean I've fucking watched Hehaw 2076 01:53:24.000 --> 01:53:27.359 Weekend week Out. I loved him. I love Bucco Ones Man, 2077 01:53:27.439 --> 01:53:28.399 those guys were great. 2078 01:53:29.319 --> 01:53:32.880 I love him as a guitarist. There's a record he 2079 01:53:33.119 --> 01:53:35.960 did but it's basically just like a straight sort of 2080 01:53:36.039 --> 01:53:38.439 jazz blues out and he gets like Barney Kessel to 2081 01:53:38.479 --> 01:53:41.600 play with him. So just hearing him and Barney Kessel 2082 01:53:41.760 --> 01:53:45.960 just like grading solos is amazing. It was nice to 2083 01:53:46.039 --> 01:53:48.319 hear that side of his playing because he is just 2084 01:53:48.479 --> 01:53:50.039 an amazing, amazing guitarist. 2085 01:53:51.039 --> 01:53:53.399 I hadn't seen him act in that many things, but 2086 01:53:53.640 --> 01:53:58.119 I was actually pretty good with his wild Bill character, 2087 01:53:58.439 --> 01:54:03.039 wild Bill Wild wild Man Jesus said, But yeah, I 2088 01:54:03.119 --> 01:54:05.439 thought he did a great job. I was very happy 2089 01:54:05.479 --> 01:54:07.520 to see him. All Right, We're going to take another 2090 01:54:07.560 --> 01:54:09.840 break and play a preview for next week's show. Right 2091 01:54:09.880 --> 01:54:14.399 after these brief messages, Meet Ira Dear Samuel Beckett. 2092 01:54:15.039 --> 01:54:17.119 I've always been a great admirer of yours. 2093 01:54:17.720 --> 01:54:24.119 He's a playwright. Ira Ellis with a day job, Ira. 2094 01:54:24.079 --> 01:54:26.680 The pop We don't the pose with the platf Come. 2095 01:54:26.600 --> 01:54:27.840 On over here, moved. 2096 01:54:29.159 --> 01:54:43.960 His plays are a little depressing life, life, hife, death, death, death, 2097 01:54:44.880 --> 01:54:48.279 all that dialogue about life and death. I mean life, 2098 01:54:48.600 --> 01:54:53.479 death is just so depressing. But what depressing is is good. Well, 2099 01:54:53.520 --> 01:54:54.479 I thought it was excellent. 2100 01:54:55.199 --> 01:54:57.840 I thought it was deep and very sensitive too. 2101 01:54:58.640 --> 01:55:00.920 His love life is very anxious. 2102 01:55:01.640 --> 01:55:02.439 What do you tune to do? 2103 01:55:02.680 --> 01:55:03.800 Pick me up for something? 2104 01:55:04.840 --> 01:55:07.279 Does a body and latowns are ambicial? No? 2105 01:55:07.439 --> 01:55:08.520 No, no, no, not at all. 2106 01:55:08.640 --> 01:55:12.680 And like I said, Sharon, you're a very special person. 2107 01:55:13.199 --> 01:55:16.439 And he fears he won't ever get his first big break. 2108 01:55:17.000 --> 01:55:17.800 I loved it. 2109 01:55:19.279 --> 01:55:22.640 I love love, love love loved it. 2110 01:55:23.359 --> 01:55:28.399 Todd Saloons stars in his first feature film, Fear Anxiety 2111 01:55:28.520 --> 01:55:31.840 and Depression, and it's a musical. 2112 01:55:33.880 --> 01:55:34.439 I love you. 2113 01:55:36.439 --> 01:55:38.640 I love you more and more. 2114 01:55:40.319 --> 01:55:45.279 Every time I dream the work, I dream evermore. 2115 01:55:45.800 --> 01:55:52.520 Fear Anxiety and Depression. It's a laughing matter us. 2116 01:55:55.640 --> 01:55:57.359 That's right. We'll be back next week with a look 2117 01:55:57.439 --> 01:56:02.159 at Fear Anxiety and Depression as Comedy Month continues. Until then, 2118 01:56:02.159 --> 01:56:04.479 I want to thank my co host Mike and Colin. So, Mike, 2119 01:56:04.560 --> 01:56:05.800 what is the latest with you, sir? 2120 01:56:06.479 --> 01:56:06.680 Well? 2121 01:56:06.800 --> 01:56:09.920 I mean you could find my work in Shock Cinema 2122 01:56:10.239 --> 01:56:14.199 sixty six, which should be out now. Shock Cinema sixty 2123 01:56:14.239 --> 01:56:17.640 seven probably should be out sometime the summer, maybe the 2124 01:56:17.680 --> 01:56:22.039 Fall at some point also on letterboxed under the name 2125 01:56:22.159 --> 01:56:25.640 magdum gu. I'm not under a lot, but if you 2126 01:56:26.880 --> 01:56:30.359 want to see my thoughts on movies like Move or 2127 01:56:31.079 --> 01:56:34.000 National Lampoon's movie Madness, you can swing on down and 2128 01:56:34.560 --> 01:56:35.439 read those reviews. 2129 01:56:36.039 --> 01:56:39.079 That's about it for now, and Colin, how about yourself 2130 01:56:39.880 --> 01:56:41.680 doing a lot of music still. 2131 01:56:42.680 --> 01:56:46.800 The new project with a friend and filmmaker out of 2132 01:56:46.920 --> 01:56:51.000 Baltimore who knows skiz. His name is Matt Berry, and 2133 01:56:51.119 --> 01:56:56.439 we're called Hollywood Extras and it's sort of improvised experimental music, 2134 01:56:57.600 --> 01:57:01.640 silent movies. So we just released the first EP called 2135 01:57:01.760 --> 01:57:06.600 four Films, and then in June I should have a 2136 01:57:06.800 --> 01:57:12.840 new album for my solo project, Modern Silent Cinemas, which 2137 01:57:13.000 --> 01:57:19.000 is four it's piano, guitar and bass. It's called Passengers 2138 01:57:19.079 --> 01:57:19.600 thirty three. 2139 01:57:20.399 --> 01:57:22.439 Well, that sounds like a Philip Glass title. 2140 01:57:23.319 --> 01:57:28.880 I just take passages to describe these solo pieces I 2141 01:57:29.039 --> 01:57:32.359 was composing, and I just number them in order. The 2142 01:57:32.520 --> 01:57:36.039 first album I made the mistake, I think this passage 2143 01:57:36.079 --> 01:57:41.760 is one through nine of titling them before them in 2144 01:57:41.960 --> 01:57:46.800 order on the album, and so it makes no sense. 2145 01:57:47.039 --> 01:57:50.960 And so this is the fourth album of passages two 2146 01:57:51.079 --> 01:57:53.640 through four are all just chronologically numbered. 2147 01:57:54.159 --> 01:57:57.439 THX one, one, three eight. I just love his titles. Well, 2148 01:57:57.479 --> 01:57:59.159 thank you so much guys for being on the show, 2149 01:57:59.439 --> 01:58:01.479 and thanks ready if for listening. 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Every donation would 2161 01:58:34.560 --> 01:58:36.560 get help some projection booth take over the world. 2162 01:58:50.680 --> 01:58:54.960 But I with you every days of brand. 2163 01:58:57.760 --> 01:58:58.039 With you. 2164 01:59:00.239 --> 01:59:01.680 Snable true. 2165 01:59:03.279 --> 01:59:06.039 Good morning, don't. 2166 01:59:05.920 --> 01:59:08.119 You know For sunshindshining. 2167 01:59:09.920 --> 01:59:12.880 When I'm with you, I'm hearing. 2168 01:59:16.279 --> 01:59:20.560 When I'm with you, goes the matter where I'm going. 2169 01:59:22.640 --> 01:59:25.560 When I'm with you, I can't keep. 2170 01:59:25.479 --> 01:59:27.279 My love show. 2171 01:59:28.680 --> 01:59:31.960 Complicated to treat me spend the. 2172 01:59:32.119 --> 01:59:33.720 Time with flowers. 2173 01:59:35.199 --> 01:59:44.720 When I'm with you, let I'll say, pass the ball. 2174 01:59:48.000 --> 01:59:53.520 Across the water with for sunshine on our dreams, for 2175 01:59:53.680 --> 01:59:56.000 sunshine on our dream. 2176 01:59:58.119 --> 01:59:58.399 With you. 2177 01:59:59.800 --> 02:00:04.720 I think you think God'm clever. When I'm with you. 2178 02:00:05.720 --> 02:00:10.319 You scud before smiling. 2179 02:00:10.560 --> 02:00:16.359 God clowns, God loot. 2180 02:00:16.479 --> 02:00:17.319 When I'm with you. 2181 02:00:18.119 --> 02:00:19.439 I feel. 2182 02:00:32.319 --> 02:00:35.600 When i'm with you, I try to pay kids to 2183 02:00:35.680 --> 02:00:36.680 be longer. 2184 02:00:38.600 --> 02:00:39.439 When I'm with you. 2185 02:00:40.640 --> 02:00:45.000 Your life makes me more stronger than I can carry 2186 02:00:45.359 --> 02:00:46.119 your dreams. 2187 02:00:46.960 --> 02:00:50.039 Will you be mother forever. 2188 02:00:51.159 --> 02:00:52.000 When I'm with you. 2189 02:00:57.439 --> 02:01:00.199 When I'm with you, and. 2190 02:01:03.800 --> 02:01:04.119 When I 2191 02:01:10.119 --> 02:01:10.479 Beca