WEBVTT 1 00:00:03.919 --> 00:00:07.000 You are listening to the IFH podcast Network. For more 2 00:00:07.040 --> 00:00:12.679 amazing filmmaking and screenwriting podcasts, just go to ifahpodcastnetwork dot com. 3 00:00:12.839 --> 00:00:16.480 Welcome to the Bulletproof Screenwriting Podcast, Episode number four fifty five. 4 00:00:16.640 --> 00:00:19.559 Your dream doesn't have an expiration date, Take a deep 5 00:00:19.600 --> 00:00:25.640 breath and try again. Kat You Whitten broadcasting from a dark, windowless. 6 00:00:25.120 --> 00:00:27.559 Room in Hollywood when we really should be working on 7 00:00:27.559 --> 00:00:31.960 that next draft. It's the Bulletproof Screenwriting Podcast, showing you 8 00:00:32.079 --> 00:00:34.719 the craft and business of screenwriting while teaching you how 9 00:00:34.719 --> 00:00:36.600 to make your screenplay bulletproof. 10 00:00:36.920 --> 00:00:39.119 And here's your host, Alex Ferrari. 11 00:00:41.079 --> 00:00:44.039 Welcome, Welcome to another episode of the Bulletproof Screenwriting Podcast. 12 00:00:44.079 --> 00:00:45.960 I am your humble host Alex Ferrari. 13 00:00:46.479 --> 00:00:46.679 Now. 14 00:00:46.719 --> 00:00:50.719 Today's show is sponsored by Bulletproof Script Coverage. 15 00:00:50.960 --> 00:00:51.119 Now. 16 00:00:51.200 --> 00:00:56.119 Unlike other script coverage services, Bulletproof Script Coverage actually focuses 17 00:00:56.159 --> 00:00:59.159 on the kind of project you are in the goals 18 00:00:59.200 --> 00:01:01.560 of the project you are, so we actually break it 19 00:01:01.600 --> 00:01:05.120 down by three categories micro budget, indie film, market, and 20 00:01:05.200 --> 00:01:07.879 studio film. 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He's an actor 31 00:01:46.239 --> 00:01:50.640 and screenwriter. His comedy film The Bent releases this coming Tuesday, 32 00:01:50.920 --> 00:01:54.799 July to twenty sixth, twenty sixteen, and it'll be available 33 00:01:54.799 --> 00:01:59.120 on everywhere, be available on Hulu. It'll be available on 34 00:01:59.599 --> 00:02:03.560 Google play Store, iTunes Store, Xbox PlayStation, all that good stuff. 35 00:02:04.120 --> 00:02:08.680 With guests Chris j Chris, how are you siring? 36 00:02:08.759 --> 00:02:10.800 Hey? Thank you so much for having me. Dave. I'm 37 00:02:10.879 --> 00:02:12.840 very very happy to be here, and I'm gonna correct 38 00:02:12.879 --> 00:02:15.719 you right out of the gate. I definitely don't start 39 00:02:15.800 --> 00:02:18.400 in this. I don't think anybody would want or need that. 40 00:02:18.520 --> 00:02:20.520 But I did throw myself in there because I figured 41 00:02:20.520 --> 00:02:22.520 if I never make another movie again. I'll probably kick 42 00:02:22.560 --> 00:02:24.520 myself in twenty years if I can't show my kid 43 00:02:24.599 --> 00:02:25.639 like there's your old man. 44 00:02:25.840 --> 00:02:26.080 You know. 45 00:02:27.240 --> 00:02:30.439 Yeah, well, I usually just say star. I mean usually 46 00:02:30.439 --> 00:02:32.759 it's I don't know what else, because usually I don't 47 00:02:32.879 --> 00:02:33.680 else to saying that. 48 00:02:33.719 --> 00:02:35.680 I don't know a real loose term. Even when I 49 00:02:35.680 --> 00:02:38.960 find myself writing press releases for the film, it's like, wait, 50 00:02:39.000 --> 00:02:42.479 who's starring, who's featuring, who's cameo? I mean that shit's 51 00:02:42.560 --> 00:02:44.759 kind of out the window these days. I just think, 52 00:02:44.800 --> 00:02:47.280 like you said, everybody just says starring in You know, 53 00:02:47.319 --> 00:02:50.400 it could be the grounds keeper in the background, and like, yo, 54 00:02:50.520 --> 00:02:52.639 he stars in the New Guardians of the Galaxy. 55 00:02:52.759 --> 00:02:56.080 You know. It's crazy, Yeah, you always cause like for me, 56 00:02:56.240 --> 00:02:59.439 I've always sprakally appeared in shows, So I never know 57 00:02:59.560 --> 00:03:02.599 what to say. I mean, do you say featured extra? 58 00:03:02.800 --> 00:03:03.960 Do you say you know what I mean? 59 00:03:04.000 --> 00:03:07.080 It's like, oh, weirdest featured extra? Say you know what 60 00:03:07.120 --> 00:03:09.280 I mean? That this is weird, Like it's I don't 61 00:03:09.319 --> 00:03:11.719 know's it's so funny all the terms. But you get 62 00:03:11.719 --> 00:03:13.680 all those head shots, man on, I'll tell you when 63 00:03:13.680 --> 00:03:15.360 we were casting the movie, you'll get a kick out 64 00:03:15.400 --> 00:03:18.400 of this. It was a really interesting experience. But you 65 00:03:18.439 --> 00:03:20.520 look on the back of these resumes, Dave and some 66 00:03:20.560 --> 00:03:22.120 of these people, you don't know who the person is, 67 00:03:22.159 --> 00:03:24.199 you've never heard of them, but they've been on the 68 00:03:24.199 --> 00:03:26.479 coolest stuff in the world, Like oh my god, you 69 00:03:26.479 --> 00:03:28.439 were on Friends and you were on Seinfeld and blah 70 00:03:28.439 --> 00:03:30.639 blah blah blah blah. And then at the bottom there's 71 00:03:30.680 --> 00:03:33.240 like a little note that just says featured extra, you know, 72 00:03:33.280 --> 00:03:35.199 and it's like, wait a minute, You're like an extra 73 00:03:35.360 --> 00:03:37.639 just showing up for lunch, which is badass, you know 74 00:03:37.639 --> 00:03:39.479 what I mean. But it's crazy that you put this 75 00:03:39.560 --> 00:03:40.960 on your resume, you know. 76 00:03:42.000 --> 00:03:45.759 Yeah, I mean honestly, like every every acting thing I've 77 00:03:45.800 --> 00:03:48.319 ever done, I have been a featured extra and like 78 00:03:48.319 --> 00:03:51.960 always sunny, you know. I was in a again a 79 00:03:51.960 --> 00:03:54.280 pre interview we're talking about NFL Films. Was I was 80 00:03:54.280 --> 00:03:57.240 in an NFL Films commercial with some side So it's 81 00:03:57.280 --> 00:03:58.120 just weird, you know what I mean. 82 00:03:58.960 --> 00:04:01.319 So you're like me, You're a jack of all trades, 83 00:04:01.400 --> 00:04:03.520 not really successful at any of them, but god damn it, 84 00:04:03.560 --> 00:04:06.639 you're out there doing something you know exactly, you got it. 85 00:04:06.680 --> 00:04:07.840 I love it. I love it. 86 00:04:08.680 --> 00:04:11.000 So So, Chris, just to get started, you know, I 87 00:04:11.000 --> 00:04:13.039 wanted to ask you know about your background. I mean, 88 00:04:13.120 --> 00:04:15.599 obviously you know you're a founder of the rock band 89 00:04:15.680 --> 00:04:17.720 Army of Freshman, but I wanted to ask, you know, 90 00:04:17.920 --> 00:04:21.639 how did you actually transition into you know, the idea 91 00:04:21.759 --> 00:04:24.079 you know, of getting into the film industry. 92 00:04:24.439 --> 00:04:28.240 Great question, Dave, So basically, super quick background. I am 93 00:04:28.360 --> 00:04:31.199 in the band Army of Freshman, and ever since you've 94 00:04:31.199 --> 00:04:32.720 been doing this movie, we've been on a bit of 95 00:04:32.759 --> 00:04:36.040 a hiatus, but we've been around for like over fifteen years. 96 00:04:36.360 --> 00:04:38.160 I was born and raised in New Jersey, close to 97 00:04:38.199 --> 00:04:41.639 you up in Media, Pennsylvania, where you're at. And when 98 00:04:41.639 --> 00:04:44.199 I was seventeen, I left home and I moved by 99 00:04:44.279 --> 00:04:46.680 myself to California to do the rock and roll thing. 100 00:04:46.680 --> 00:04:48.319 I mean, there was two things I loved in my life. 101 00:04:48.319 --> 00:04:50.560 I mean, I always love music and I always love movies. 102 00:04:50.639 --> 00:04:53.759 Quite frankly, nothing else really interests me period. I like 103 00:04:53.800 --> 00:04:56.759 wrestling too, in boxing, but that's getting off off topic. 104 00:04:57.040 --> 00:04:59.439 But with that said, so I did the music thing. 105 00:04:59.480 --> 00:05:02.319 Man in arm Freshman was one of those bands that 106 00:05:02.480 --> 00:05:06.079 didn't blow up. We were always opening up for bigger bands, 107 00:05:06.279 --> 00:05:08.319 but we'd be like the first band on the bill, 108 00:05:08.360 --> 00:05:10.920 Like we'd come and play the Trocadero in Philly or 109 00:05:11.000 --> 00:05:13.680 the TLA, right, but we wouldn't be the band on 110 00:05:13.720 --> 00:05:16.000 the marquee. We would be the band that you didn't 111 00:05:16.000 --> 00:05:19.800 know that played first, right, And it was it was awesome, man. 112 00:05:19.839 --> 00:05:21.839 We got to travel around the world, and I mean 113 00:05:21.879 --> 00:05:24.399 I put my blood, sweat, tears, heart. I spent my 114 00:05:24.439 --> 00:05:28.800 whole twenties and practically early thirties doing Army of freshmen. 115 00:05:29.079 --> 00:05:30.839 And right around the time that we were close to 116 00:05:30.920 --> 00:05:34.079 finally signing a major label deal in the late two thousands, 117 00:05:34.120 --> 00:05:36.600 which in the old music industry was like, you know, 118 00:05:36.639 --> 00:05:39.839 that was the goal, right, that was the goal. And dude, 119 00:05:40.040 --> 00:05:43.360 downloading cane and it came like a violent, terrible, evil 120 00:05:43.439 --> 00:05:47.759 wave and it literally destroyed bands of my size. And 121 00:05:47.879 --> 00:05:49.879 we were the middle class bands, if that makes sense, 122 00:05:49.959 --> 00:05:51.959 you know, like we weren't the big boys, but we 123 00:05:51.959 --> 00:05:54.480 weren't the garage bands. We were just those hard working 124 00:05:54.560 --> 00:05:57.040 bands Chris Cross in the United States and Europe in 125 00:05:57.519 --> 00:06:00.639 mini bands. You know, it was really honorable and noble 126 00:06:00.639 --> 00:06:02.639 and you could make enough to maybe pay the rent 127 00:06:02.680 --> 00:06:05.639 and eat, right. But when downloading came and then the 128 00:06:06.160 --> 00:06:09.439 what the financial collapse in two thousand and eight, dude, 129 00:06:09.480 --> 00:06:12.639 it just all went to hell and you quick, you know, 130 00:06:12.720 --> 00:06:15.160 it was really really ugly for the music business. And 131 00:06:15.639 --> 00:06:17.240 with that said, we were very close to signing to 132 00:06:17.240 --> 00:06:20.319 a major label and the A and R guy that 133 00:06:20.399 --> 00:06:23.240 was ready to do the deal. Literally the financial collapse hit. 134 00:06:23.279 --> 00:06:26.480 They froze all signings for the year. Right, So I'm like, 135 00:06:26.519 --> 00:06:28.759 oh my god, Oh my god, what's going on. Literally 136 00:06:28.759 --> 00:06:30.639 thirty days later, I called to check in to see 137 00:06:30.639 --> 00:06:32.160 how things are working and see if we could do 138 00:06:32.199 --> 00:06:34.720 the deal in January, something I had been working for 139 00:06:34.879 --> 00:06:38.160 basically my whole life, right, Dave, And the receptionist says 140 00:06:38.240 --> 00:06:41.319 he was fired and there's nobody else to talk theory 141 00:06:41.439 --> 00:06:43.000 is the only A and R guy that wanted us. 142 00:06:43.040 --> 00:06:44.920 So I kind of went through, I don't want to 143 00:06:44.920 --> 00:06:46.519 say a depression, but I really had to take a 144 00:06:46.519 --> 00:06:49.759 hard look at my life. And I had always bounced 145 00:06:49.800 --> 00:06:52.319 around the idea of writing a screenplay because I'm a writer, 146 00:06:52.480 --> 00:06:54.600 like I would pay the bills kind of doing freelance 147 00:06:54.720 --> 00:06:58.560 journalism for local newspapers and stuff, Right, So I always 148 00:06:58.600 --> 00:07:01.240 wanted to write a film just because I'm in I'm 149 00:07:01.279 --> 00:07:04.279 in southern California, right, Dave, like everybody, every waiter's got 150 00:07:04.319 --> 00:07:06.120 an idea for a movie, right, and that it would 151 00:07:06.120 --> 00:07:09.199 be fun to do, not even necessarily to make. So 152 00:07:09.399 --> 00:07:12.560 I got with my partner in the band, Aaron Goldberg, 153 00:07:12.600 --> 00:07:15.120 who co wrote the screenplay with me, and I got 154 00:07:15.160 --> 00:07:16.959 in touch with a producer friend by the name of 155 00:07:17.000 --> 00:07:19.240 Reza Riazzi who had produced one of our videos. And 156 00:07:19.439 --> 00:07:21.600 this is kind of like the key link here to 157 00:07:21.720 --> 00:07:25.720 the story. Reza kind of guided us along. So we 158 00:07:25.720 --> 00:07:28.399 were first time screenwriters, right, but he helped us. He 159 00:07:28.480 --> 00:07:31.839 kind of gave us just the you know, just kind 160 00:07:31.839 --> 00:07:33.600 of the focus of what we're trying to do and 161 00:07:33.680 --> 00:07:35.519 trying to get across, and he kind of guided the 162 00:07:35.519 --> 00:07:37.680 screenplay and we worked on it off and on for 163 00:07:37.720 --> 00:07:39.560 a while. We didn't sit down for like two weeks, 164 00:07:39.519 --> 00:07:42.639 Sylvester Stalone style and cram out Rocky. You know, there 165 00:07:42.720 --> 00:07:45.319 was a work in progress here and there. We got 166 00:07:45.319 --> 00:07:46.959 to the point where we thought it was pretty good, 167 00:07:47.000 --> 00:07:51.079 and Resa thought the same thing, and we made the 168 00:07:51.120 --> 00:07:54.040 decision that I spent my whole life doing music, going 169 00:07:54.040 --> 00:07:56.360 in front of and our guys, you know, begging to 170 00:07:56.399 --> 00:07:59.680 get signed or get this or kissing button giving demo 171 00:07:59.759 --> 00:08:02.160 tape that I said, you know what, if we're gonna 172 00:08:02.199 --> 00:08:05.120 do this movie, let's just do it right, Like, no 173 00:08:05.199 --> 00:08:07.519 matter how much money we get. If we get ten 174 00:08:07.639 --> 00:08:09.680 thousand dollars and we've got to turn it into a 175 00:08:09.720 --> 00:08:13.199 short film and shoot it in my garage on an iPhone, 176 00:08:13.560 --> 00:08:16.439 let's do it. Let's just not have anybody tell us 177 00:08:16.480 --> 00:08:18.680 we can't do this. I didn't want to be begging 178 00:08:19.000 --> 00:08:21.319 for people to read a screenplay because think of that, Dave, 179 00:08:21.439 --> 00:08:24.839 who the hell is going to read a raunchy comedy 180 00:08:24.959 --> 00:08:28.639 screenplay first time screenwriters? Oh and they were in a 181 00:08:28.759 --> 00:08:31.360 rock band. I mean that just sounds awful, Like I 182 00:08:31.399 --> 00:08:33.519 wouldn't want to read that if that was the background 183 00:08:33.519 --> 00:08:35.360 and you gave it to me. So I kind of 184 00:08:35.440 --> 00:08:37.039 knew going in that we were going to have to 185 00:08:37.080 --> 00:08:39.399 do it on our own. And we set out at 186 00:08:39.440 --> 00:08:43.919 that point too, let's make this movie. You know, Amresa 187 00:08:44.000 --> 00:08:46.080 agreed to produce it, and he had produced some indie 188 00:08:46.120 --> 00:08:48.639 films before. So the good news is we had somebody 189 00:08:48.639 --> 00:08:50.159 helping us. And that's the key thing. I don't want 190 00:08:50.240 --> 00:08:52.279 you to think that we were just two guys from 191 00:08:52.279 --> 00:08:54.600 a band that just did all this. We had somebody 192 00:08:54.639 --> 00:08:57.399 guiding us, but there was no money. He just hopped 193 00:08:57.440 --> 00:08:59.320 on because I think at that point he had given 194 00:08:59.360 --> 00:09:01.480 us so much advice. He had taken a little sabbatical 195 00:09:01.480 --> 00:09:03.799 because he had a film that really got taken from 196 00:09:03.840 --> 00:09:05.679 him and turned upside down, and he kind of moved 197 00:09:05.720 --> 00:09:08.080 into stand up and I think this was an opportunity 198 00:09:08.080 --> 00:09:09.600 to like, hey, maybe I can get back in the 199 00:09:09.600 --> 00:09:12.440 game a little bit, and let's find a young, hungry director. 200 00:09:12.519 --> 00:09:15.799 And that's basically the genesis. I know that's a lot 201 00:09:15.840 --> 00:09:18.159 of backstory, but I think it's important to know because 202 00:09:18.399 --> 00:09:22.039 we didn't come from movies at all. The closest we 203 00:09:22.080 --> 00:09:23.960 had to that was I mean I was an extra 204 00:09:24.000 --> 00:09:26.919 in one or two movies, a featured extra, right and 205 00:09:26.960 --> 00:09:30.519 then also making our music videos. But that was it, man. 206 00:09:30.559 --> 00:09:34.039 I mean, we as screenwriters went into this blind. We 207 00:09:34.159 --> 00:09:37.679 just had that determination from the indie music world that 208 00:09:38.440 --> 00:09:40.840 we weren't gonna we were gonna do it, you know 209 00:09:40.840 --> 00:09:43.559 what I mean. We came from a very diy music background, 210 00:09:43.600 --> 00:09:45.519 and I think we sort of took those ethics and 211 00:09:45.559 --> 00:09:48.519 put it into the film. So that's how we got 212 00:09:48.519 --> 00:09:50.320 to the point of, yes, we're making a movie. And 213 00:09:50.360 --> 00:09:52.200 there's a long backstory, and I'm sorry for that day. 214 00:09:53.679 --> 00:09:56.200 We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor. 215 00:10:00.080 --> 00:10:05.639 Now back to the show, Chris. 216 00:10:06.519 --> 00:10:10.919 Everyone always likes to talk, and they talk a little 217 00:10:10.960 --> 00:10:13.039 more on my podcast. What I'm trying to say, So please, 218 00:10:13.320 --> 00:10:15.879 don't you know? You said you might ramble sometimes it's 219 00:10:15.960 --> 00:10:16.960 encouraged on this podcast. 220 00:10:16.960 --> 00:10:18.440 Well you you cut me off at any time. It's 221 00:10:18.519 --> 00:10:20.919 gonna get especially if you and I start talking cheese steaks. 222 00:10:20.960 --> 00:10:22.600 I mean it's dumb, you know what I mean? 223 00:10:24.039 --> 00:10:27.600 Yeah, I completely understand. By the way, speaking of cheese steaks, 224 00:10:27.879 --> 00:10:29.080 what is your favorite cheesteak place? 225 00:10:29.159 --> 00:10:31.480 So I know this is sacrilege. Keep in mind, I 226 00:10:31.519 --> 00:10:33.320 didn't come from Philly. I came from Jersey, so I 227 00:10:33.360 --> 00:10:35.759 had to drive into the city. But pound for pound, 228 00:10:35.799 --> 00:10:37.679 I always like Gyms on South Street. 229 00:10:38.360 --> 00:10:39.960 Oh, Gym's is great, it's my cycle. 230 00:10:40.360 --> 00:10:41.039 What's your favorite? 231 00:10:42.000 --> 00:10:44.240 My favorite place is John's Ros's Pork. 232 00:10:44.440 --> 00:10:47.080 Oh, I've heard of that place. I've heard of that place. 233 00:10:47.360 --> 00:10:48.519 Is it that sensational? 234 00:10:49.480 --> 00:10:51.799 Yeah, because it's different than all the other cheesesteak places. 235 00:10:52.080 --> 00:10:54.279 Once you have it, you really you understand what a 236 00:10:54.320 --> 00:10:55.519 cheese steak is supposed. 237 00:10:55.240 --> 00:10:56.759 To be well, next time I'm out there, you and 238 00:10:56.759 --> 00:10:58.639 I are going there. That's good. Just put it on 239 00:10:58.679 --> 00:10:59.240 the calendar. 240 00:11:00.200 --> 00:11:00.600 Let's do it. 241 00:11:00.639 --> 00:11:00.720 Man. 242 00:11:00.759 --> 00:11:02.320 It's right by the E C w rinn it too, 243 00:11:02.320 --> 00:11:02.960 so we could talk. 244 00:11:03.360 --> 00:11:06.399 Right there on ya yikes, ships Swanson or Redner, right 245 00:11:06.440 --> 00:11:08.960 by swansor Reddin. Oh so you talk wrestling to Dave, 246 00:11:09.000 --> 00:11:09.679 I'm impressed. 247 00:11:10.279 --> 00:11:13.519 Yeah. I could talk all day about professional wrestling. Before 248 00:11:13.559 --> 00:11:14.960 I got into film, I used to be a huge 249 00:11:14.960 --> 00:11:18.320 pro wrestling buff. Quick little mini, mini background. I don't 250 00:11:18.320 --> 00:11:20.240 want to talk too much about myself, but many many background. 251 00:11:20.360 --> 00:11:21.759 Out of high school, I went right into in the 252 00:11:21.840 --> 00:11:24.600 pro wrestling school. I ended up working with King Kong 253 00:11:24.639 --> 00:11:28.000 Bundy and his promotion, and that was a whole that 254 00:11:28.120 --> 00:11:30.480 was a whole adventure I could talk about hours about. 255 00:11:30.519 --> 00:11:33.120 So yeah, now, okay, we're we're getting we're veering far 256 00:11:33.159 --> 00:11:35.360 off track, but really quickly we'll circle this all around 257 00:11:35.399 --> 00:11:38.399 because obviously there's wrestlers in my movie, so that's like 258 00:11:38.480 --> 00:11:40.840 kind of like a connection. But did you ever get 259 00:11:40.840 --> 00:11:42.600 to have an indie match? Did you ever get to 260 00:11:42.639 --> 00:11:47.399 actually have a pro wrestling match? I had one actual match, 261 00:11:47.399 --> 00:11:48.840 and that was really where was it that? 262 00:11:49.559 --> 00:11:52.320 It was? In I think it was either Springfield or Exton, 263 00:11:53.440 --> 00:11:56.879 a Springfielder Drugel Hill I met. It was a twenty 264 00:11:56.960 --> 00:12:01.759 man Battle Royal. It was all of the rookies of 265 00:12:01.799 --> 00:12:05.399 the school we were at. And that was my one 266 00:12:05.480 --> 00:12:09.519 and only professional wrestling match because after that, I just 267 00:12:09.559 --> 00:12:11.000 wanted to get out of it because I had to 268 00:12:11.000 --> 00:12:13.720 go to college and my love affair of wrestling was 269 00:12:14.080 --> 00:12:18.600 really like really burning out. And then basically I still, 270 00:12:18.679 --> 00:12:20.240 if that's right, around of time, I ended up helping 271 00:12:20.320 --> 00:12:23.080 King Kong Bundy, So I had that match sorted like, 272 00:12:23.120 --> 00:12:25.159 and I still had tons of contacts and they were like, oh, 273 00:12:25.200 --> 00:12:26.720 I hope you're not going to leave, and I said yeah, 274 00:12:26.759 --> 00:12:29.080 I said, you know, I'm not six foot four, I'm 275 00:12:29.120 --> 00:12:32.039 five foot nine, you know what I mean. I'm a 276 00:12:32.120 --> 00:12:34.360 ginger who's going to cheer a five foot nine ginger? 277 00:12:34.360 --> 00:12:37.240 Come on, dude, that is too cool. But you got 278 00:12:37.240 --> 00:12:40.279 to say you had a professional wrestling match. I mean, like, 279 00:12:40.559 --> 00:12:42.480 that's a bucket list thing. I think for a lot 280 00:12:42.559 --> 00:12:45.559 of people, myself included, that is awesome. Dude, that is 281 00:12:45.600 --> 00:12:46.080 so cool. 282 00:12:46.720 --> 00:12:48.519 Well thank you. I'll you know, if you ever want 283 00:12:48.519 --> 00:12:49.559 to talk about that at any time. 284 00:12:49.679 --> 00:12:52.519 There's some panetic energy here. We're both from from a Philly, 285 00:12:52.559 --> 00:12:54.840 South Jersey area. We both like ches stage, we both 286 00:12:54.840 --> 00:12:57.120 like wrestling, we both like movies. I mean this, this 287 00:12:57.159 --> 00:12:59.360 could get really awkward, dude. By the end of this podcast, 288 00:12:59.399 --> 00:13:01.600 people are going to be like disgusted, like these two 289 00:13:01.600 --> 00:13:03.480 guys love affairs, ridiculous moths. 290 00:13:05.440 --> 00:13:07.639 Well, most people tune me out anyway, so they're probably 291 00:13:07.960 --> 00:13:13.799 me too, cool man cool, So you know, just you know, 292 00:13:14.000 --> 00:13:16.360 getting back to the bed, you know, so I wanted 293 00:13:16.360 --> 00:13:18.320 to ask, you know, Chris, you know, where was the 294 00:13:18.360 --> 00:13:22.240 impetus of this idea to actually for the screenplay? Did 295 00:13:22.279 --> 00:13:23.639 it Did it come from like a friend of yours, 296 00:13:23.679 --> 00:13:25.360 Did it come from an idea or Joe was. 297 00:13:25.399 --> 00:13:28.000 It was an original idea that I had, And honestly, 298 00:13:28.080 --> 00:13:31.120 I think it was kind of inspired by the fact 299 00:13:31.120 --> 00:13:32.960 that being on tour in a band, right Dave, I 300 00:13:32.960 --> 00:13:35.879 got the opportunity to meet a lot of girls that 301 00:13:35.919 --> 00:13:38.120 I had gone to school with over the years. Like 302 00:13:38.159 --> 00:13:40.039 maybe you know, you come to town and they live 303 00:13:40.120 --> 00:13:41.679 there and they see that you're in town and they 304 00:13:41.720 --> 00:13:44.080 come to a show, or you invite them, or we 305 00:13:44.200 --> 00:13:46.080 would go play my hometown in Kate May a lot 306 00:13:46.080 --> 00:13:47.600 where a lot of people you went to school would 307 00:13:47.639 --> 00:13:50.960 still lived. And I was always fascinated to see where 308 00:13:51.000 --> 00:13:54.440 these girls that I had crushes on where they ended up. 309 00:13:54.440 --> 00:13:56.039 And I don't mean that in a negative way, but 310 00:13:56.200 --> 00:14:00.399 just like, man, in the sixth grade, this girl was, 311 00:14:00.679 --> 00:14:03.360 you know, the hottest girl in school, or the girl 312 00:14:03.360 --> 00:14:05.080 that I just had a crush on, or whatever it 313 00:14:05.159 --> 00:14:07.840 may be. And you know what would happen if you 314 00:14:08.080 --> 00:14:12.320 met your crush twenty years later? Like where are they? 315 00:14:12.360 --> 00:14:14.159 Who are they? And that kind of just kind of 316 00:14:14.159 --> 00:14:15.879 bounced around in my head and at one point I 317 00:14:15.879 --> 00:14:18.440 don't have her Uretha moment or I remember it. I 318 00:14:18.519 --> 00:14:20.480 just always remember when I thought a movie idea is 319 00:14:20.519 --> 00:14:22.080 that that was at the top of my list. A 320 00:14:22.159 --> 00:14:24.639 guy gets in a bet where he's got to go 321 00:14:24.720 --> 00:14:27.600 back and meet every girl that he had a crush 322 00:14:27.600 --> 00:14:29.519 on in high school. Because it's essentially just a fantasy 323 00:14:29.559 --> 00:14:32.120 that I assume I'd like to have, but the reality 324 00:14:32.200 --> 00:14:34.480 is it's not going to be all good. Just because 325 00:14:34.480 --> 00:14:36.799 that girl was the cutest girl in sixth grade, she 326 00:14:36.879 --> 00:14:39.399 could be like, you know, a white trash drug addict. 327 00:14:39.480 --> 00:14:41.960 And I thought, what would be funny about that premise 328 00:14:42.080 --> 00:14:45.639 is if the guy had to hook up with the girl, right, 329 00:14:45.919 --> 00:14:48.840 no matter what scenario she's in, He's got to bite 330 00:14:48.919 --> 00:14:50.960 the bullet and do so. And it just kind of 331 00:14:50.960 --> 00:14:53.919 sounded like it would be a good, fun, raunchy, wacky movie, 332 00:14:54.000 --> 00:14:56.759 and I just that was the genesis. So I think 333 00:14:56.799 --> 00:14:59.600 it was kind of an influenced by having met some 334 00:14:59.639 --> 00:15:01.440 of the girls I went to school with and being oh, 335 00:15:01.519 --> 00:15:03.759 jeez man, that was my cross. Glad that didn't work 336 00:15:03.799 --> 00:15:05.759 out right, But at the same time, I think it 337 00:15:05.840 --> 00:15:07.799 lent itself to a good premise and it, you know, 338 00:15:07.919 --> 00:15:10.200 just kind of once Aaron came in and started writing 339 00:15:10.200 --> 00:15:13.120 it together. You know, that's the fun part about script writing. 340 00:15:13.159 --> 00:15:15.879 As much as you set it up, you go down 341 00:15:15.960 --> 00:15:19.399 different avenues with the script. The new characters get introduced 342 00:15:19.440 --> 00:15:22.360 and things change, and I find that such a fun 343 00:15:22.679 --> 00:15:25.919 and fascinating process. How different the project is like because 344 00:15:25.919 --> 00:15:27.759 when you think about it at first, because you're a writer, Dave, 345 00:15:27.799 --> 00:15:29.879 you know, you see it just like this word for word, 346 00:15:29.919 --> 00:15:30.960 and it's got to be like this, and these are 347 00:15:30.960 --> 00:15:33.120 the characters and this is a story. But when you 348 00:15:33.159 --> 00:15:36.360 start writing that, baby, these characters kind of take a 349 00:15:36.399 --> 00:15:39.320 life for their own and even in a silly launchy 350 00:15:39.440 --> 00:15:43.519 movie like ours directions, they start moving in different places 351 00:15:43.559 --> 00:15:47.000 and you you know, motivations and scenes and that's a 352 00:15:47.039 --> 00:15:49.399 fun process. I think it's really when you know, when 353 00:15:49.399 --> 00:15:51.360 you're just cooking with gas and you really like where 354 00:15:51.360 --> 00:15:54.200 something's going with a script. That's a cool moment. Man, 355 00:15:54.279 --> 00:15:56.720 that energy if you can capture it. And I like 356 00:15:56.799 --> 00:15:59.559 writing with a partner because I think you can really 357 00:15:59.600 --> 00:16:01.639 feed on off people. I think it would be very 358 00:16:01.639 --> 00:16:03.879 difficult if I wrote a screenplay by myself, because you 359 00:16:03.879 --> 00:16:06.240 don't have that quality control of the other person. 360 00:16:07.480 --> 00:16:09.799 Yeah, you know, very true. And you know I as 361 00:16:09.799 --> 00:16:13.879 I found when writing, you know, sometimes I take it 362 00:16:14.200 --> 00:16:16.320 way too seriously and it ends up I try to 363 00:16:16.440 --> 00:16:18.600 end up forcing things, you know what I mean. It's 364 00:16:18.639 --> 00:16:22.360 like and then you realize you're supposed you gotta into 365 00:16:22.399 --> 00:16:24.679 writing because it's fun, right, or you have something to say, 366 00:16:24.799 --> 00:16:26.679 or you want to explore something, you know what I mean. 367 00:16:27.120 --> 00:16:29.440 And you know that's why you know, when you were 368 00:16:29.440 --> 00:16:32.000 discussing the other idea, creation and all these characters, you know, 369 00:16:32.039 --> 00:16:33.480 that's what you need. You need to always, you know, 370 00:16:33.559 --> 00:16:36.399 be excited to come back to it when you cause 371 00:16:36.399 --> 00:16:37.879 you got to write. You know, nobody sits down, just 372 00:16:37.879 --> 00:16:39.759 writes out the whole thing and one one foul swoop. 373 00:16:39.799 --> 00:16:41.600 You know, you come back and you write it in pieces. 374 00:16:41.600 --> 00:16:43.720 You know, you write three pages, five pages, and you 375 00:16:43.919 --> 00:16:45.720 when you come back, you always have to have that 376 00:16:46.039 --> 00:16:48.039 that excitement and you know what I mean, You have 377 00:16:48.080 --> 00:16:51.159 to have that excitement of Okay, I see where it's going, 378 00:16:51.519 --> 00:16:53.559 what's going to happen? Now, I'm going to be just 379 00:16:53.600 --> 00:16:55.320 as surprised as the audience, you know what I mean. 380 00:16:56.000 --> 00:16:57.799 So when you were writing this, Chris, I wanted to ask, 381 00:16:57.799 --> 00:17:00.720 you know, did you buy any of those writing books, 382 00:17:00.720 --> 00:17:03.000 like You Have a Key Story or Save the cap 383 00:17:03.039 --> 00:17:05.640 I Blakesciter. Did you buy any of those books? 384 00:17:06.599 --> 00:17:09.720 You know, I didn't. You're talking about the actual screenwriting books. 385 00:17:10.039 --> 00:17:10.920 Yeah, yeah, I didn't. 386 00:17:11.000 --> 00:17:14.559 I didn't. I didn't. It was very I mean, and 387 00:17:14.599 --> 00:17:16.799 again I think I'm a little spoiled because of the 388 00:17:16.880 --> 00:17:19.279 fact that I am a writer, you know, so not 389 00:17:19.400 --> 00:17:21.799 that I'm a good writer, but I just had experience 390 00:17:21.839 --> 00:17:24.039 in writing. You know, even in writing a five hundred 391 00:17:24.039 --> 00:17:26.680 world article about a band, you still have the beginning, 392 00:17:26.720 --> 00:17:28.319 in the middle and an end. So I think I 393 00:17:28.400 --> 00:17:30.680 understood the process to the point that I didn't. I didn't. 394 00:17:30.799 --> 00:17:33.000 It just seemed weird to read a book to tell 395 00:17:33.039 --> 00:17:35.920 me how to write a book, if that makes sense, 396 00:17:35.960 --> 00:17:40.759 you know, But I definitely grabbed. Uh, you know, once 397 00:17:40.799 --> 00:17:43.119 we're getting ready to make the movie, I ordered a 398 00:17:43.119 --> 00:17:46.880 book online. It was like the Real Truth about Indie filmmaking, 399 00:17:46.880 --> 00:17:49.319 a complete guide from top to bottom, right, that kind 400 00:17:49.359 --> 00:17:51.920 of deal, you know, and uh, you'll love this. But 401 00:17:52.519 --> 00:17:55.519