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Speaker 4: On this week's episode, our guest is the frontman and
Speaker 4: founder of the rock band Armie Freshman. He's an actor
Speaker 4: and screenwriter. His comedy film The Bent releases this coming Tuesday,
Speaker 4: July to twenty sixth, twenty sixteen, and it'll be available
Speaker 4: on everywhere, be available on Hulu. It'll be available on
Speaker 4: Google play Store, iTunes Store, Xbox PlayStation, all that good stuff.
Speaker 4: With guests Chris j Chris, how are you siring?
Speaker 3: Hey? Thank you so much for having me. Dave. I'm
Speaker 3: very very happy to be here, and I'm gonna correct
Speaker 3: you right out of the gate. I definitely don't start
Speaker 3: in this. I don't think anybody would want or need that.
Speaker 3: But I did throw myself in there because I figured
Speaker 3: if I never make another movie again. I'll probably kick
Speaker 3: myself in twenty years if I can't show my kid
Speaker 3: like there's your old man.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, I usually just say star. I mean usually
Speaker 4: it's I don't know what else, because usually I don't
Speaker 4: else to saying that.
Speaker 3: I don't know a real loose term. Even when I
Speaker 3: find myself writing press releases for the film, it's like, wait,
Speaker 3: who's starring, who's featuring, who's cameo? I mean that shit's
Speaker 3: kind of out the window these days. I just think,
Speaker 3: like you said, everybody just says starring in You know,
Speaker 3: it could be the grounds keeper in the background, and like, yo,
Speaker 3: he stars in the New Guardians of the Galaxy.
Speaker 4: You know. It's crazy, Yeah, you always cause like for me,
Speaker 4: I've always sprakally appeared in shows, So I never know
Speaker 4: what to say. I mean, do you say featured extra?
Speaker 4: Do you say you know what I mean?
Speaker 3: It's like, oh, weirdest featured extra? Say you know what
Speaker 3: I mean? That this is weird, Like it's I don't
Speaker 3: know's it's so funny all the terms. But you get
Speaker 3: all those head shots, man on, I'll tell you when
Speaker 3: we were casting the movie, you'll get a kick out
Speaker 3: of this. It was a really interesting experience. But you
Speaker 3: look on the back of these resumes, Dave and some
Speaker 3: of these people, you don't know who the person is,
Speaker 3: you've never heard of them, but they've been on the
Speaker 3: coolest stuff in the world, Like oh my god, you
Speaker 3: were on Friends and you were on Seinfeld and blah
Speaker 3: blah blah blah blah. And then at the bottom there's
Speaker 3: like a little note that just says featured extra, you know,
Speaker 3: and it's like, wait a minute, You're like an extra
Speaker 3: just showing up for lunch, which is badass, you know
Speaker 3: what I mean. But it's crazy that you put this
Speaker 3: on your resume, you know.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean honestly, like every every acting thing I've
Speaker 4: ever done, I have been a featured extra and like
Speaker 4: always sunny, you know. I was in a again a
Speaker 4: pre interview we're talking about NFL Films. Was I was
Speaker 4: in an NFL Films commercial with some side So it's
Speaker 4: just weird, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: So you're like me, You're a jack of all trades,
Speaker 3: not really successful at any of them, but god damn it,
Speaker 3: you're out there doing something you know exactly, you got it.
Speaker 3: I love it. I love it.
Speaker 4: So So, Chris, just to get started, you know, I
Speaker 4: wanted to ask you know about your background. I mean,
Speaker 4: obviously you know you're a founder of the rock band
Speaker 4: Army of Freshman, but I wanted to ask, you know,
Speaker 4: how did you actually transition into you know, the idea
Speaker 4: you know, of getting into the film industry.
Speaker 3: Great question, Dave, So basically, super quick background. I am
Speaker 3: in the band Army of Freshman, and ever since you've
Speaker 3: been doing this movie, we've been on a bit of
Speaker 3: a hiatus, but we've been around for like over fifteen years.
Speaker 3: I was born and raised in New Jersey, close to
Speaker 3: you up in Media, Pennsylvania, where you're at. And when
Speaker 3: I was seventeen, I left home and I moved by
Speaker 3: myself to California to do the rock and roll thing.
Speaker 3: I mean, there was two things I loved in my life.
Speaker 3: I mean, I always love music and I always love movies.
Speaker 3: Quite frankly, nothing else really interests me period. I like
Speaker 3: wrestling too, in boxing, but that's getting off off topic.
Speaker 3: But with that said, so I did the music thing.
Speaker 3: Man in arm Freshman was one of those bands that
Speaker 3: didn't blow up. We were always opening up for bigger bands,
Speaker 3: but we'd be like the first band on the bill,
Speaker 3: Like we'd come and play the Trocadero in Philly or
Speaker 3: the TLA, right, but we wouldn't be the band on
Speaker 3: the marquee. We would be the band that you didn't
Speaker 3: know that played first, right, And it was it was awesome, man.
Speaker 3: We got to travel around the world, and I mean
Speaker 3: I put my blood, sweat, tears, heart. I spent my
Speaker 3: whole twenties and practically early thirties doing Army of freshmen.
Speaker 3: And right around the time that we were close to
Speaker 3: finally signing a major label deal in the late two thousands,
Speaker 3: which in the old music industry was like, you know,
Speaker 3: that was the goal, right, that was the goal. And dude,
Speaker 3: downloading cane and it came like a violent, terrible, evil
Speaker 3: wave and it literally destroyed bands of my size. And
Speaker 3: we were the middle class bands, if that makes sense,
Speaker 3: you know, like we weren't the big boys, but we
Speaker 3: weren't the garage bands. We were just those hard working
Speaker 3: bands Chris Cross in the United States and Europe in
Speaker 3: mini bands. You know, it was really honorable and noble
Speaker 3: and you could make enough to maybe pay the rent
Speaker 3: and eat, right. But when downloading came and then the
Speaker 3: what the financial collapse in two thousand and eight, dude,
Speaker 3: it just all went to hell and you quick, you know,
Speaker 3: it was really really ugly for the music business. And
Speaker 3: with that said, we were very close to signing to
Speaker 3: a major label and the A and R guy that
Speaker 3: was ready to do the deal. Literally the financial collapse hit.
Speaker 3: They froze all signings for the year. Right, So I'm like,
Speaker 3: oh my god, Oh my god, what's going on. Literally
Speaker 3: thirty days later, I called to check in to see
Speaker 3: how things are working and see if we could do
Speaker 3: the deal in January, something I had been working for
Speaker 3: basically my whole life, right, Dave, And the receptionist says
Speaker 3: he was fired and there's nobody else to talk theory
Speaker 3: is the only A and R guy that wanted us.
Speaker 3: So I kind of went through, I don't want to
Speaker 3: say a depression, but I really had to take a
Speaker 3: hard look at my life. And I had always bounced
Speaker 3: around the idea of writing a screenplay because I'm a writer,
Speaker 3: like I would pay the bills kind of doing freelance
Speaker 3: journalism for local newspapers and stuff, Right, So I always
Speaker 3: wanted to write a film just because I'm in I'm
Speaker 3: in southern California, right, Dave, like everybody, every waiter's got
Speaker 3: an idea for a movie, right, and that it would
Speaker 3: be fun to do, not even necessarily to make. So
Speaker 3: I got with my partner in the band, Aaron Goldberg,
Speaker 3: who co wrote the screenplay with me, and I got
Speaker 3: in touch with a producer friend by the name of
Speaker 3: Reza Riazzi who had produced one of our videos. And
Speaker 3: this is kind of like the key link here to
Speaker 3: the story. Reza kind of guided us along. So we
Speaker 3: were first time screenwriters, right, but he helped us. He
Speaker 3: kind of gave us just the you know, just kind
Speaker 3: of the focus of what we're trying to do and
Speaker 3: trying to get across, and he kind of guided the
Speaker 3: screenplay and we worked on it off and on for
Speaker 3: a while. We didn't sit down for like two weeks,
Speaker 3: Sylvester Stalone style and cram out Rocky. You know, there
Speaker 3: was a work in progress here and there. We got
Speaker 3: to the point where we thought it was pretty good,
Speaker 3: and Resa thought the same thing, and we made the
Speaker 3: decision that I spent my whole life doing music, going
Speaker 3: in front of and our guys, you know, begging to
Speaker 3: get signed or get this or kissing button giving demo
Speaker 3: tape that I said, you know what, if we're gonna
Speaker 3: do this movie, let's just do it right, Like, no
Speaker 3: matter how much money we get. If we get ten
Speaker 3: thousand dollars and we've got to turn it into a
Speaker 3: short film and shoot it in my garage on an iPhone,
Speaker 3: let's do it. Let's just not have anybody tell us
Speaker 3: we can't do this. I didn't want to be begging
Speaker 3: for people to read a screenplay because think of that, Dave,
Speaker 3: who the hell is going to read a raunchy comedy
Speaker 3: screenplay first time screenwriters? Oh and they were in a
Speaker 3: rock band. I mean that just sounds awful, Like I
Speaker 3: wouldn't want to read that if that was the background
Speaker 3: and you gave it to me. So I kind of
Speaker 3: knew going in that we were going to have to
Speaker 3: do it on our own. And we set out at
Speaker 3: that point too, let's make this movie. You know, Amresa
Speaker 3: agreed to produce it, and he had produced some indie
Speaker 3: films before. So the good news is we had somebody
Speaker 3: helping us. And that's the key thing. I don't want
Speaker 3: you to think that we were just two guys from
Speaker 3: a band that just did all this. We had somebody
Speaker 3: guiding us, but there was no money. He just hopped
Speaker 3: on because I think at that point he had given
Speaker 3: us so much advice. He had taken a little sabbatical
Speaker 3: because he had a film that really got taken from
Speaker 3: him and turned upside down, and he kind of moved
Speaker 3: into stand up and I think this was an opportunity
Speaker 3: to like, hey, maybe I can get back in the
Speaker 3: game a little bit, and let's find a young, hungry director.
Speaker 3: And that's basically the genesis. I know that's a lot
Speaker 3: of backstory, but I think it's important to know because
Speaker 3: we didn't come from movies at all. The closest we
Speaker 3: had to that was I mean I was an extra
Speaker 3: in one or two movies, a featured extra, right and
Speaker 3: then also making our music videos. But that was it, man.
Speaker 3: I mean, we as screenwriters went into this blind. We
Speaker 3: just had that determination from the indie music world that
Speaker 3: we weren't gonna we were gonna do it, you know
Speaker 3: what I mean. We came from a very diy music background,
Speaker 3: and I think we sort of took those ethics and
Speaker 3: put it into the film. So that's how we got
Speaker 3: to the point of, yes, we're making a movie. And
Speaker 3: there's a long backstory, and I'm sorry for that day.
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Speaker 2: Now back to the show, Chris.
Speaker 4: Everyone always likes to talk, and they talk a little
Speaker 4: more on my podcast. What I'm trying to say, So please,
Speaker 4: don't you know? You said you might ramble sometimes it's
Speaker 4: encouraged on this podcast.
Speaker 3: Well you you cut me off at any time. It's
Speaker 3: gonna get especially if you and I start talking cheese steaks.
Speaker 3: I mean it's dumb, you know what I mean?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I completely understand. By the way, speaking of cheese steaks,
Speaker 4: what is your favorite cheesteak place?
Speaker 3: So I know this is sacrilege. Keep in mind, I
Speaker 3: didn't come from Philly. I came from Jersey, so I
Speaker 3: had to drive into the city. But pound for pound,
Speaker 3: I always like Gyms on South Street.
Speaker 4: Oh, Gym's is great, it's my cycle.
Speaker 3: What's your favorite?
Speaker 4: My favorite place is John's Ros's Pork.
Speaker 3: Oh, I've heard of that place. I've heard of that place.
Speaker 3: Is it that sensational?
Speaker 4: Yeah, because it's different than all the other cheesesteak places.
Speaker 4: Once you have it, you really you understand what a
Speaker 4: cheese steak is supposed.
Speaker 3: To be well, next time I'm out there, you and
Speaker 3: I are going there. That's good. Just put it on
Speaker 3: the calendar.
Speaker 4: Let's do it.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 4: It's right by the E C w rinn it too,
Speaker 4: so we could talk.
Speaker 3: Right there on ya yikes, ships Swanson or Redner, right
Speaker 3: by swansor Reddin. Oh so you talk wrestling to Dave,
Speaker 3: I'm impressed.
Speaker 4: Yeah. I could talk all day about professional wrestling. Before
Speaker 4: I got into film, I used to be a huge
Speaker 4: pro wrestling buff. Quick little mini, mini background. I don't
Speaker 4: want to talk too much about myself, but many many background.
Speaker 4: Out of high school, I went right into in the
Speaker 4: pro wrestling school. I ended up working with King Kong
Speaker 4: Bundy and his promotion, and that was a whole that
Speaker 4: was a whole adventure I could talk about hours about.
Speaker 3: So yeah, now, okay, we're we're getting we're veering far
Speaker 3: off track, but really quickly we'll circle this all around
Speaker 3: because obviously there's wrestlers in my movie, so that's like
Speaker 3: kind of like a connection. But did you ever get
Speaker 3: to have an indie match? Did you ever get to
Speaker 3: actually have a pro wrestling match? I had one actual match,
Speaker 3: and that was really where was it that?
Speaker 4: It was? In I think it was either Springfield or Exton,
Speaker 4: a Springfielder Drugel Hill I met. It was a twenty
Speaker 4: man Battle Royal. It was all of the rookies of
Speaker 4: the school we were at. And that was my one
Speaker 4: and only professional wrestling match because after that, I just
Speaker 4: wanted to get out of it because I had to
Speaker 4: go to college and my love affair of wrestling was
Speaker 4: really like really burning out. And then basically I still,
Speaker 4: if that's right, around of time, I ended up helping
Speaker 4: King Kong Bundy, So I had that match sorted like,
Speaker 4: and I still had tons of contacts and they were like, oh,
Speaker 4: I hope you're not going to leave, and I said yeah,
Speaker 4: I said, you know, I'm not six foot four, I'm
Speaker 4: five foot nine, you know what I mean. I'm a
Speaker 4: ginger who's going to cheer a five foot nine ginger?
Speaker 3: Come on, dude, that is too cool. But you got
Speaker 3: to say you had a professional wrestling match. I mean, like,
Speaker 3: that's a bucket list thing. I think for a lot
Speaker 3: of people, myself included, that is awesome. Dude, that is
Speaker 3: so cool.
Speaker 4: Well thank you. I'll you know, if you ever want
Speaker 4: to talk about that at any time.
Speaker 3: There's some panetic energy here. We're both from from a Philly,
Speaker 3: South Jersey area. We both like ches stage, we both
Speaker 3: like wrestling, we both like movies. I mean this, this
Speaker 3: could get really awkward, dude. By the end of this podcast,
Speaker 3: people are going to be like disgusted, like these two
Speaker 3: guys love affairs, ridiculous moths.
Speaker 4: Well, most people tune me out anyway, so they're probably
Speaker 4: me too, cool man cool, So you know, just you know,
Speaker 4: getting back to the bed, you know, so I wanted
Speaker 4: to ask, you know, Chris, you know, where was the
Speaker 4: impetus of this idea to actually for the screenplay? Did
Speaker 4: it Did it come from like a friend of yours,
Speaker 4: Did it come from an idea or Joe was.
Speaker 3: It was an original idea that I had, And honestly,
Speaker 3: I think it was kind of inspired by the fact
Speaker 3: that being on tour in a band, right Dave, I
Speaker 3: got the opportunity to meet a lot of girls that
Speaker 3: I had gone to school with over the years. Like
Speaker 3: maybe you know, you come to town and they live
Speaker 3: there and they see that you're in town and they
Speaker 3: come to a show, or you invite them, or we
Speaker 3: would go play my hometown in Kate May a lot
Speaker 3: where a lot of people you went to school would
Speaker 3: still lived. And I was always fascinated to see where
Speaker 3: these girls that I had crushes on where they ended up.
Speaker 3: And I don't mean that in a negative way, but
Speaker 3: just like, man, in the sixth grade, this girl was,
Speaker 3: you know, the hottest girl in school, or the girl
Speaker 3: that I just had a crush on, or whatever it
Speaker 3: may be. And you know what would happen if you
Speaker 3: met your crush twenty years later? Like where are they?
Speaker 3: Who are they? And that kind of just kind of
Speaker 3: bounced around in my head and at one point I
Speaker 3: don't have her Uretha moment or I remember it. I
Speaker 3: just always remember when I thought a movie idea is
Speaker 3: that that was at the top of my list. A
Speaker 3: guy gets in a bet where he's got to go
Speaker 3: back and meet every girl that he had a crush
Speaker 3: on in high school. Because it's essentially just a fantasy
Speaker 3: that I assume I'd like to have, but the reality
Speaker 3: is it's not going to be all good. Just because
Speaker 3: that girl was the cutest girl in sixth grade, she
Speaker 3: could be like, you know, a white trash drug addict.
Speaker 3: And I thought, what would be funny about that premise
Speaker 3: is if the guy had to hook up with the girl, right,
Speaker 3: no matter what scenario she's in, He's got to bite
Speaker 3: the bullet and do so. And it just kind of
Speaker 3: sounded like it would be a good, fun, raunchy, wacky movie,
Speaker 3: and I just that was the genesis. So I think
Speaker 3: it was kind of an influenced by having met some
Speaker 3: of the girls I went to school with and being oh,
Speaker 3: jeez man, that was my cross. Glad that didn't work
Speaker 3: out right, But at the same time, I think it
Speaker 3: lent itself to a good premise and it, you know,
Speaker 3: just kind of once Aaron came in and started writing
Speaker 3: it together. You know, that's the fun part about script writing.
Speaker 3: As much as you set it up, you go down
Speaker 3: different avenues with the script. The new characters get introduced
Speaker 3: and things change, and I find that such a fun
Speaker 3: and fascinating process. How different the project is like because
Speaker 3: when you think about it at first, because you're a writer, Dave,
Speaker 3: you know, you see it just like this word for word,
Speaker 3: and it's got to be like this, and these are
Speaker 3: the characters and this is a story. But when you
Speaker 3: start writing that, baby, these characters kind of take a
Speaker 3: life for their own and even in a silly launchy
Speaker 3: movie like ours directions, they start moving in different places
Speaker 3: and you you know, motivations and scenes and that's a
Speaker 3: fun process. I think it's really when you know, when
Speaker 3: you're just cooking with gas and you really like where
Speaker 3: something's going with a script. That's a cool moment. Man,
Speaker 3: that energy if you can capture it. And I like
Speaker 3: writing with a partner because I think you can really
Speaker 3: feed on off people. I think it would be very
Speaker 3: difficult if I wrote a screenplay by myself, because you
Speaker 3: don't have that quality control of the other person.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, very true. And you know I as
Speaker 4: I found when writing, you know, sometimes I take it
Speaker 4: way too seriously and it ends up I try to
Speaker 4: end up forcing things, you know what I mean. It's
Speaker 4: like and then you realize you're supposed you gotta into
Speaker 4: writing because it's fun, right, or you have something to say,
Speaker 4: or you want to explore something, you know what I mean.
Speaker 4: And you know that's why you know, when you were
Speaker 4: discussing the other idea, creation and all these characters, you know,
Speaker 4: that's what you need. You need to always, you know,
Speaker 4: be excited to come back to it when you cause
Speaker 4: you got to write. You know, nobody sits down, just
Speaker 4: writes out the whole thing and one one foul swoop.
Speaker 4: You know, you come back and you write it in pieces.
Speaker 4: You know, you write three pages, five pages, and you
Speaker 4: when you come back, you always have to have that
Speaker 4: that excitement and you know what I mean, You have
Speaker 4: to have that excitement of Okay, I see where it's going,
Speaker 4: what's going to happen? Now, I'm going to be just
Speaker 4: as surprised as the audience, you know what I mean.
Speaker 4: So when you were writing this, Chris, I wanted to ask,
Speaker 4: you know, did you buy any of those writing books,
Speaker 4: like You Have a Key Story or Save the cap
Speaker 4: I Blakesciter. Did you buy any of those books?
Speaker 3: You know, I didn't. You're talking about the actual screenwriting books.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I didn't.
Speaker 3: I didn't. I didn't. It was very I mean, and
Speaker 3: again I think I'm a little spoiled because of the
Speaker 3: fact that I am a writer, you know, so not
Speaker 3: that I'm a good writer, but I just had experience
Speaker 3: in writing. You know, even in writing a five hundred
Speaker 3: world article about a band, you still have the beginning,
Speaker 3: in the middle and an end. So I think I
Speaker 3: understood the process to the point that I didn't. I didn't.
Speaker 3: It just seemed weird to read a book to tell
Speaker 3: me how to write a book, if that makes sense,
Speaker 3: you know, But I definitely grabbed. Uh, you know, once
Speaker 3: we're getting ready to make the movie, I ordered a
Speaker 3: book online. It was like the Real Truth about Indie filmmaking,
Speaker 3: a complete guide from top to bottom, right, that kind
Speaker 3: of deal, you know, and uh, you'll love this. But
Speaker 3: you know, the book now, I keep it by the bathroom.
Speaker 3: It's like the bathroom read dude, the thing was made
Speaker 3: like five years ago, okay, And as I'm reading it
Speaker 3: getting ready to make the movie, just looking for pointers,
Speaker 3: you know, half the information was defunct and the book
Speaker 3: was only five years old. Like they were talking about like,
Speaker 3: well this new Netflix saying nobody's really figured it out yet,
Speaker 3: and you know, they're talking about Lonely Girl fifteen was
Speaker 3: an internet phenomenon. But how can you? I mean, and
Speaker 3: I'm like, my god, this is garbage. I mean, things
Speaker 3: are moving so fast in the world of technology and
Speaker 3: film that a book, and a definitive book on the
Speaker 3: subject in two thousand and twelve is now literally archaic.
Speaker 3: And that's that's wild to me. So it's almost like
Speaker 3: what the hell do you read unless you read the
Speaker 3: most recent stuff on the internet. I don't know if
Speaker 3: anything could really help, you know.
Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely, I have tons of I mean, I know
Speaker 4: there's a podcast you can't see, but to my left's
Speaker 4: tons and tons and tons of how to filmmaking books.
Speaker 4: I mean virtually, I have every indie filmmaking book, screenwriting book,
Speaker 4: producing book you can get, and some of them are
Speaker 4: just like that, They're just completely Hey, you know, go
Speaker 4: grab your friends, grab a mini dvcam, you know, shoot
Speaker 4: some stuff in your backyard, and you know you can
Speaker 4: send it to festivals. Well, now I don't have to
Speaker 4: do any of that. I could use my phone. I
Speaker 4: don't need a DV tape. I could you know, an
Speaker 4: edit and I movie or edit and Windows movie maker
Speaker 4: or Premiere, whatever one I wants to, I can just
Speaker 4: put it right to YouTube. Wild huh.
Speaker 3: I mean the same happened with music in terms of
Speaker 3: how quick you can go, Like you and I right
Speaker 3: now can make the decision to start our duo. Right,
Speaker 3: we could write a song not in person, dude, we
Speaker 3: could write a song over freaking FaceTime together. Right, we
Speaker 3: could record the conceivably record the song and release it
Speaker 3: and have a website up, you know, with a social
Speaker 3: media account before before the sun goes down, and I
Speaker 3: mean I'm allowed to curse, right, Oh, So that's fucked up, dude.
Speaker 3: That's process. Isn't supposed to be like that, Like where's
Speaker 3: the growth, where's the learning? And I think the same
Speaker 3: thing has happened to film, where it's certainly a much
Speaker 3: more complicated process than writing a song, of course, no doubt.
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Speaker 3: But everything that you just said you can still kind
Speaker 3: of do, and that's awesome, but it's also that double
Speaker 3: edged sort of it's really flooding the market and putting
Speaker 3: a lot of crap out there too. You know, people
Speaker 3: are they just release everything instead of like, you know,
Speaker 3: where's the days of kind of just making movies in
Speaker 3: your backyard and nobody sees them but your parents, and
Speaker 3: then you slowly grow and get better at it. Now
Speaker 3: kids are making their very first thing and throwing it
Speaker 3: up on YouTube hoping they get like a viral thing.
Speaker 3: I don't know, it's just it just seems it's like
Speaker 3: it's a hard time for the cream to you know,
Speaker 3: was it the Crean Rise at the Top or whatever
Speaker 3: the saying is. I just it's just really muddy. Man.
Speaker 3: Technology has made things so awesome. We could never make
Speaker 3: the movie that we made without it. But at the
Speaker 3: same time, I am also aware that there's a lot
Speaker 3: of films maybe some people would think are film that
Speaker 3: are being made and it's almost, you know, blocking the
Speaker 3: path for other movies. It's a weird time, man. I
Speaker 3: feel like we're just living in a very strange age,
Speaker 3: you know.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, absolutely we are. And it's funny because there's
Speaker 4: a there was a short film called Panic Attack and
Speaker 4: it actually I forget the guy who made it, but
Speaker 4: Hollywood found it and they actually gave him the job
Speaker 4: of directing the remake of Evil Dead just because of that.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 4: So it's almost like, now you know, this whole avenue
Speaker 4: of of YouTube and podcasting and self publishing. It's like
Speaker 4: they're bypassing not just one gatekeeper, but like twenty five
Speaker 4: because now you're almost like your own agent manager because
Speaker 4: now you can say, oh, no, I don't want to
Speaker 4: sell these book rights, or I don't want to sell
Speaker 4: your rights. I want to sell this. I mean, but
Speaker 4: you're right there are a lot more players out there now,
Speaker 4: but you know, I think that as long as you
Speaker 4: have something that is that can stand above anybody else.
Speaker 4: I had Paul Patido on here and he and I
Speaker 4: were talking about the exact same thing, because he was
Speaker 4: always saying, you know, he tells his film students, you know,
Speaker 4: you have to make something, and they're saying, well, there's
Speaker 4: like ten chillion things on on YouTube right now, and
Speaker 4: he says, you have you know, how do you stand out?
Speaker 4: How do you get on the front page of iTunes?
Speaker 4: How do you get on the front page of Netflix?
Speaker 4: You know what I mean? And it's just all and
Speaker 4: it just it really depends upon what's hot, your concept,
Speaker 4: how polished it is. I mean, you have a lot
Speaker 4: of different factors. Now maybe it's the same factors always
Speaker 4: have been there, but they're always but you know, they're
Speaker 4: always have to sort of work out, like in your favor.
Speaker 4: Like we were talking earlier in the pre interview. Maybe you know,
Speaker 4: some guy, some somebody, some guy wakes up, has a
Speaker 4: great morning and all of a sudden, your TV polic
Speaker 4: gets made, you know what I mean?
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, and that's ah man, It's it's a depressing thought.
Speaker 3: But it's just I mean, yeah, I certainly don't want
Speaker 3: to go down the negative road for lack of the
Speaker 3: better word, but I think it's a terrifying prospect. I
Speaker 3: mean I used to and I keep falling back the music,
Speaker 3: but that's just who I am. And I think what's
Speaker 3: happening to the film world happened to the indie to
Speaker 3: the music world about ten years ago. Right. Yes. I
Speaker 3: used to tell kids, dude, just get in the van, man,
Speaker 3: just do it, dude, just go for it, just do it.
Speaker 3: You know, good bad, learn, go do it, dedicate some time.
Speaker 3: And now I don't say that. And it really freaks
Speaker 3: me out that if a kid comes to me and says,
Speaker 3: we just started a band, what do we do? I
Speaker 3: don't tell him to hop in a van. Where are
Speaker 3: they gonna go, where are they gonna play? Who's gonna
Speaker 3: give a shit? You know? And I wonder in some ways,
Speaker 3: if it's that similar to the film world, you know,
Speaker 3: like if a kid right out of the gate wants
Speaker 3: to do it, I mean it's probably not you know,
Speaker 3: I don't want to say going for the big time
Speaker 3: the brass ring, but it's probably much more honing your
Speaker 3: craft on web series and smaller things instead of jumping
Speaker 3: right into it, you know, guns blazing, you know. I
Speaker 3: just it's strange, man, you know. And I come from
Speaker 3: such a different perspective because I didn't have that educated
Speaker 3: film background that somebody like yourself does. So I think
Speaker 3: some of the reason we got this made was sheer
Speaker 3: tenacity and dumb luck and a lack of education, because
Speaker 3: I think if we knew what we were getting into
Speaker 3: and how much time it would be and how expensive
Speaker 3: it would be, we probably wouldn't have done it, you know.
Speaker 3: And that's kind of that. Sometimes being naive can lead
Speaker 3: to good things if you're willing to put the work in.
Speaker 3: You know, a lot of people I think, too Mercy
Speaker 3: see hon Us Dave, they were just like, you're doing what,
Speaker 3: Like you can't do that? Oh god, okay, well let
Speaker 3: me help you. Good luck, good luck falling on your
Speaker 3: face on this one, good luck making a feature film,
Speaker 3: come on, you know. And somehow we pulled it off.
Speaker 3: But we surrounded ourselves with good people to help pull
Speaker 3: it off. But I mean, man, people heard our budget.
Speaker 3: When people here were we wanted to shoot it in
Speaker 3: Ventura and not Los Angeles, they were looking at us
Speaker 3: like we were lunatics, dude. I mean, like, you know,
Speaker 3: the cool thing is we proved a lot of people wrong.
Speaker 3: We got it done, but it was a painful, long process.
Speaker 3: It was not smooth sailing.
Speaker 4: You know, yeah, yeah, definitely it definitely. Uh, I understand
Speaker 4: complete where we're coming from. And you know, just to
Speaker 4: sort of as we're talking about writing the becks, I
Speaker 4: do want to talk about actually making a movie. But
Speaker 4: you know, as we're talking about you're writing the bet,
Speaker 4: did you guys actually did you use Final draft or
Speaker 4: fade in to write the movie? Did you use any software?
Speaker 3: You check this out? We were so naive. Aaron did
Speaker 3: the typing, I did the talking. We didn't really know
Speaker 3: about Final Draft. We had heard of it. We were
Speaker 3: kind of aware what it was, and I'm sure you're
Speaker 3: listeners will be like, are you kidding me? We were
Speaker 3: literally indenting every time a new character talked. Like the
Speaker 3: first draft or two drafts that we did. We turned
Speaker 3: it into you know, Reza who was kind of helping
Speaker 3: us and giving us some guidance, who ended up producing
Speaker 3: the film, and he was like, man, he was like,
Speaker 3: there's something wrong with your final draft and we're like,
Speaker 3: what do you mean, he was like, don't tell me
Speaker 3: you type this, and we're like yeah, he was like,
Speaker 3: oh my god, you know what I mean. He was like, dude,
Speaker 3: he was like that's remarkable. He was like, how long
Speaker 3: did this take? And we're like, what would take hours?
Speaker 3: You know, we'd write it and then spend another couple
Speaker 3: hours like indenting, indenting in denting, centering, you know, bracketing.
Speaker 3: I mean, it was trial by fire man. If you
Speaker 3: can believe that we did get final draft, then it
Speaker 3: was like, oh no, you know, like it just changed everything.
Speaker 3: But you like, literally that's how backwards were. It was
Speaker 3: like Mick foley Wright in his biography on pen and paper.
Speaker 3: You know, it's like there's something kind of cool about that,
Speaker 3: but I can't believe we did it. I'd love to
Speaker 3: get those hours of my life back.
Speaker 4: You know, yeah, I know exactly what you mean. You know.
Speaker 4: I know, like James Patterson and Quinn Tarantino they still
Speaker 4: use like pad and pen. I still do it too sometimes,
Speaker 4: But now, you know what the biggest con of that is, Chris,
Speaker 4: is the fact that now you're ending up with like
Speaker 4: notepads and like, seriously, I have like stacks of notebooks.
Speaker 4: That I've been writing in and I'm always sitting there
Speaker 4: going you know, someday I'm gonna have to scan these things.
Speaker 4: Ye yeah, and just and just do away with it,
Speaker 4: because every note has changed my life. Because that's where
Speaker 4: I just if I have an idea, pulled my phone
Speaker 4: and go okay, hold on, let me just write this
Speaker 4: down real quick. Okay, so you know what I mean,
Speaker 4: I just type like that and then I'll come back
Speaker 4: later on and put you know, pull it all up
Speaker 4: and then go, okay, now I'll get into a final
Speaker 4: draft or fade in and wherever I'm using.
Speaker 3: But do you wonder sometimes I mean not to get
Speaker 3: on a bigger sort of like a deeper meaning, but
Speaker 3: you know, do programs like that have they have they
Speaker 3: cheapened things a little bit? I mean, like all the
Speaker 3: greats back in the day, they didn't have final draft, right.
Speaker 3: I mean, like you know, when a guy like Mankowitz
Speaker 3: was banging out Citizen Kane, he didn't have somebody indenting
Speaker 3: things for him. I mean, these guys are on pipewriters, man,
Speaker 3: and then they bang scripts out. I mean you just
Speaker 3: kind of wonder as much as it's made things easier,
Speaker 3: like has that affected worth work ethic in a lot
Speaker 3: of ways?
Speaker 4: You know, yeah, you know that that's a good question.
Speaker 4: I I I want to say that. I hope it
Speaker 4: has just made it so they can concentrate, like guys
Speaker 4: like us can just concentrate on the craft more without
Speaker 4: having to worry about stuff like you know what I mean,
Speaker 4: like getting you know, getting uh, you know, bogged down
Speaker 4: with that. I mean, technology in of itself is supposed
Speaker 4: to make things easier, like in the pre interview we're
Speaker 4: talking about if when technology works, it's phenomenal.
Speaker 3: But uh, you know that is a good question.
Speaker 4: I mean, uh, personally, I could never go back down
Speaker 4: to using anything else, so it's fine. Yeah, So I
Speaker 4: mean like it's if I ever had to go back,
Speaker 4: I would I would probably I don't know, take aheader
Speaker 4: off the room.
Speaker 3: Gotcha, I understood undertood you wouldn't be alone, just be
Speaker 3: a red screenwriters. You'd probably live because you'd land on
Speaker 3: their corpses or something. You know.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's right. Without because like some James Patterson, what
Speaker 4: he does is he writes all long hand, he gives
Speaker 4: it all to a secretary she put like types it
Speaker 4: all up and then gives it back to him and
Speaker 4: he has a process and it's triple spaced, and that.
Speaker 3: He can like if you have a secretary, you know,
Speaker 3: oh yeah, like supple buzz aren't lucky enough to afford
Speaker 3: these type of things.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, yeah, that's what That's where I was, uh
Speaker 4: was saying, was you know, he does have a secretary.
Speaker 4: I mean, that's why I think he can get away
Speaker 4: with it. And Tarantino, I don't know what he does.
Speaker 4: Maybe he has a secretary at some point.
Speaker 3: I imagine he's got a few at this point.
Speaker 4: So all right, so you know, you you have written
Speaker 4: the bet, so I just want to take us through
Speaker 4: this process of you know, you have the idea, you
Speaker 4: wrote the bet, you've actually got final drafts who were
Speaker 4: able to actually uh correctly format it. So where was
Speaker 4: the point where you started pitching to people? You know,
Speaker 4: did I and did you? Did you pitch to investors?
Speaker 4: Did you try to crowdfund this?
Speaker 3: Yeah? So, I mean it's an important part of the story,
Speaker 3: and I think that's what people everybody's interested in that, right,
Speaker 3: where the hell you find the money? So whathen we
Speaker 3: decided to do it? Okay, what we did? I'm giving
Speaker 3: you the step by step, we came up with three budgets.
Speaker 3: We didn't do one of these things where it has
Speaker 3: to be this amount of money.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 3: We came up with our bare bone, super backyard indie budget. Right,
Speaker 3: we came up with, you know, our ideal budget, and
Speaker 3: we came up with something in the middle. And when
Speaker 3: I say ideal, we weren't asking for sick money, you
Speaker 3: know what I mean. We were saying, like ideal for
Speaker 3: a micro budget movie. Okay. So we had these three
Speaker 3: different budgets and basically we said, let's initially go to
Speaker 3: some friends and family, like you know, and again we're
Speaker 3: not talking about all our you know, broke music buddies.
Speaker 3: You know. We went the mom and dad, you know,
Speaker 3: aunts and uncles, Aaron and I you know, literally pitched
Speaker 3: them personally. A couple people came in with just a
Speaker 3: little bit of money. We found a couple thousand dollars
Speaker 3: to be completely blunt. And what we did, Dave, is
Speaker 3: we used that as seed money to try and find
Speaker 3: bigger money. And what I mean is, if you're trying
Speaker 3: to let's say take me or you need to fly
Speaker 3: somewhere or whatever it.
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Speaker 3: You need a little bit of money to do that.
Speaker 3: You know, a guy like me that works a part
Speaker 3: time job and is normally always dead broke. I don't
Speaker 3: have a budget to go if I get a meeting
Speaker 3: in New York, hop on a plane and fly out there.
Speaker 3: And then, let's face it, if you're meeting somebody, you
Speaker 3: probably want to pay for the dinner, right, if you're
Speaker 3: actually trying to get them to invest in your freaking film.
Speaker 3: So what we use that couple thousand dollars for was
Speaker 3: seed money, and I mean that what we did is
Speaker 3: we printed pitch packs. We you know, put a little
Speaker 3: budget for travel, we put a little budget for food,
Speaker 3: and we sort of use that for a money to
Speaker 3: try and find more money, if that does that make sense.
Speaker 3: So we didn't take the first five grand and like, hey,
Speaker 3: here's our first five grand for the movie. We took
Speaker 3: it as almost our money. And I had to give
Speaker 3: ourselves a couple of bucks not to lie to you,
Speaker 3: so we could take a little time off work and
Speaker 3: actively take two months right and look for money. So
Speaker 3: that's what we did, and I think maybe that's a
Speaker 3: little different than most people you know, because I think
Speaker 3: some people put the money away in the budget for
Speaker 3: the film, but then how do they you know, how
Speaker 3: do they fly out to get that meeting? How do
Speaker 3: they do this or that? And I think talking to
Speaker 3: somebody in person is infinitely always better when you're talking
Speaker 3: about finances. You know, you can look them in the eye,
Speaker 3: they can see your passion. It's it's it's real, it's tangible.
Speaker 3: You're dealing with the human being, you know. And this
Speaker 3: is what happened. This is how we got our executive producers.
Speaker 3: First off, luck is a huge part of it. But
Speaker 3: obviously being an army of freshmen, right, we had, you know,
Speaker 3: a lot of connections in the music world. We were
Speaker 3: I was friends with and very kind of casual friends
Speaker 3: obviously now grown to be very close friends, but casual
Speaker 3: friends with to if you can believe this, theater producers
Speaker 3: in the United Kingdom. Fat When I say theater, I
Speaker 3: mean theater, you know, like musicals, like shows, right, And
Speaker 3: I know that they have been friends with some other
Speaker 3: bands that I that I was friends with, and I
Speaker 3: knew that they were visiting the United States, and uh,
Speaker 3: you know, they kind of told me once say, if
Speaker 3: you ever have some projects going on. Just keep us posted,
Speaker 3: you know, that kind of thing. But basically, I knew
Speaker 3: these were people that were open to the arts, if
Speaker 3: that makes sense, because they came from a theatrical background.
Speaker 3: So I reached out to them because I knew they're
Speaker 3: going to be in the United States. I said, hey,
Speaker 3: I'd have this project i'd love to tell you about.
Speaker 3: They said, hey, come on out. And this is completely true.
Speaker 3: And this is where I talk about the seed money.
Speaker 3: They were going to be in Disneyland, and I live
Speaker 3: in California, so they were going to be in the
Speaker 3: you know, Disney, the Disney in Florida, right, So we
Speaker 3: took We took the last money and the pot right,
Speaker 3: bought a plane ticket, bought a cheap motel six, got
Speaker 3: the cheapest rental possible, okay, and I flew out by
Speaker 3: myself because we couldn't afford to bring Rezer Aaron with me,
Speaker 3: that's a co writer and the producer. And I met
Speaker 3: them at Disneyland, and I sat down over lunch at Disney, right,
Speaker 3: and I told them what we were doing, and I
Speaker 3: told them what we were trying to do, and I
Speaker 3: told them we were looking for you know, executive producers
Speaker 3: and investor for the project. And I gave them, you know,
Speaker 3: two budgets. You know, I gave them the the not
Speaker 3: the ghetto backyard budget, but I gave them our moderate
Speaker 3: and I gave them our ideal. And again when I
Speaker 3: say ideal, it wasn't like, hey, millions more. I'm talking like, hey,
Speaker 3: another twenty thousand dollars or something, right, And they said, okay,
Speaker 3: well think about it. Thanks, she's talking to us, blah
Speaker 3: blah blah. And then about two weeks later, I got
Speaker 3: an email saying that they're in. They were down to
Speaker 3: be the lead investor, you know, as long as we
Speaker 3: could find a couple other smaller investors to you know,
Speaker 3: do it. And that was that we were off and run.
Speaker 3: And literally that is the story of how we got
Speaker 3: our executive producers for the project. And I have to
Speaker 3: say this because you just got to plug the people
Speaker 3: to help you. Right. Their names are Craig Beach and
Speaker 3: Teresa Beach, theatrical producers over in the United Kingdom, and
Speaker 3: they were so awesome. Literally, I tell other people about
Speaker 3: our executive producers and they're like, they start crying because
Speaker 3: they can't believe it because usually the executive producers are, Hell,
Speaker 3: when's it getting released? When are we getting our money?
Speaker 3: What's going on? How come it's taken so long?
Speaker 4: Dave?
Speaker 3: We were doing a lot of first time stuff and
Speaker 3: you know, we're new to it. Like I mean, a
Speaker 3: regular investor probably would have, I mean probably would have
Speaker 3: taken legal action against us because things were taken so long.
Speaker 3: But we had such a limited budget. We had to
Speaker 3: go really slow to make things right. And we were
Speaker 3: a small team, so we were very lucky that way.
Speaker 3: But what I would have to say about that, if
Speaker 3: somebody's looking for advice and man, how do I get
Speaker 3: my project filmed? Find a couple dollars and almost use
Speaker 3: that as as I say, seed money, but use it
Speaker 3: as the money that you're going to use to try
Speaker 3: and find the investors, if that makes sense at all.
Speaker 3: Almost like find a little bit of money just to
Speaker 3: be able to give yourself a month or two months
Speaker 3: to send emails all day and make phone call day
Speaker 3: and connect dots like these are dots. I wasn't in
Speaker 3: film where I just called up a film producer and
Speaker 3: they said, I want to back your movie, right. I
Speaker 3: was in music and I knew somebody in music that
Speaker 3: had been involved in some musicals in the UK, so
Speaker 3: I knew they were involved in theatrical projects, right. I
Speaker 3: has a bit of a relationship with them, So it
Speaker 3: was outside the box. And I think in this day
Speaker 3: and age, that's the only way to find money for
Speaker 3: film unless you're one of the big daddies. And I
Speaker 3: may be wrong, but unless you're a big daddy, or
Speaker 3: unless your parents are filthy rich, which mine certainly are not,
Speaker 3: you have to think outside the box. You have to
Speaker 3: look in different places. So this small, tiny, micro budget,
Speaker 3: raunchy indie comedy essentially was made and executive produced by
Speaker 3: to theatrical producers in another country. So I know that's
Speaker 3: a bit of a long story, but I just want
Speaker 3: to stress that if someone's looking for money, you've got
Speaker 3: to look in places where maybe people haven't looked before.
Speaker 3: Theater people help make a movie as opposed to movie
Speaker 3: people that are bitter, right, and they've gone down that road,
Speaker 3: and they know how difficult it is for any film.
Speaker 3: Theater people actually found it more fascinating then then then
Speaker 3: actual film producers who we met with that just rolled
Speaker 3: their eyes and said, good luck.
Speaker 4: You know, that's an interesting strategy. Chris, you know, and
Speaker 4: you know, I always am fascinated with how you know,
Speaker 4: people have gotten their movie made. And you know that
Speaker 4: is an excellent point because you know, you're right, you
Speaker 4: want to I mean checking out theater people and you
Speaker 4: know what I mean, like they're not this is this
Speaker 4: is new to them too, you know what I mean,
Speaker 4: this is this is still cool to them. And if
Speaker 4: you do get some film people, there's a lot of bitter,
Speaker 4: burned out people in the film industry and they just
Speaker 4: sort of go, oh, another film, blah blah blah. And
Speaker 4: and that's why I try to be the difference to that.
Speaker 4: You know, I'm always trying. I always try to stay
Speaker 4: upbeat and positive. And you know, and it's the same
Speaker 4: thing too, you know, for you know, everyone listening. If
Speaker 4: you're gonna make a production staff or whatever crew you have,
Speaker 4: make sure that they all believe in the project and
Speaker 4: that no one is negative or bitter, because that attitude
Speaker 4: spreads like a virus.
Speaker 3: It's death. It's death, it's absolute death on set, it's
Speaker 3: death in pre production. Just because somebody's Coop and Jess,
Speaker 3: because somebody has great gear, just because somebody has good
Speaker 3: hookups or a good resume. I'm telling you, man, don't
Speaker 3: fucking work with him. If you were Indy find people
Speaker 3: that are hungry and young and they want to kill
Speaker 3: for it, like you, it's just not worth it. I mean,
Speaker 3: I'd rather shoot on a lesser camera and have a
Speaker 3: DP that's thrilled to be there, you know. I'd rather
Speaker 3: have somebody that maybe's not on a TV show and
Speaker 3: I found him in a theater program, but they're believing
Speaker 3: in that character. They're becoming that character, because dude, that
Speaker 3: jadedness is terrifying. And the great thing that we did
Speaker 3: one of the key things to get this thing done
Speaker 3: because I'm Tony. We didn't have enough money to do it, Dave,
Speaker 3: we didn't have enough time to do it. We didn't
Speaker 3: have enough people to do it. But we got people
Speaker 3: that were stoked. We got our director. Our producer knew
Speaker 3: a guy that was doing a web series. Right, didn't
Speaker 3: go to film school. Director by the name of Ryan Ederer. Right,
Speaker 3: had never done a feature, had never done a TV show.
Speaker 3: We literally had just done a web series, right, and
Speaker 3: our producer, when he was looking for the director for this,
Speaker 3: went to see him work on a web series. He
Speaker 3: had mutual friends and he said the director was holding
Speaker 3: the boom mic and shouting instructions right, and also running
Speaker 3: to get coffee for everybody. And he said, that's when
Speaker 3: he knew this could be our guy, right, because he
Speaker 3: was so passionate right over a little web series that
Speaker 3: most likely no one's going to see. How passionate would
Speaker 3: he be if he got to do a very very
Speaker 3: small feature. So we met with him at a Denny's. Right.
Speaker 3: You know, he actually reminds me of you, to be
Speaker 3: quite frank, you know, because just because he's positive like that.
Speaker 3: And he just said, guys, if you let me direct
Speaker 3: this movie, all I want to do is direct a feature.
Speaker 3: He said, I will quit my job. I'm a waiter
Speaker 3: in LA I will quit my job for pre production
Speaker 3: and for the filming, and for at least a solid
Speaker 3: month after done. I will live on nothing, you know.
Speaker 3: I mean, we gave him peanut s day pen. Everybody
Speaker 3: worked for so cheap on this, but I think it
Speaker 3: was we found the good people. But I also think
Speaker 3: they believed in my passion, in Aaron's passion and ress passion.
Speaker 3: I mean when I hunted down some of the casts,
Speaker 3: which are some really super crazy cool stories, but dude,
Speaker 3: I was coming to them with nothing, but I was
Speaker 3: coming to them with passion, you know what I mean,
Speaker 3: Like please, you know, you know, just like, let's get
Speaker 3: behind this if that makes sense and it appeals to
Speaker 3: a certain type of person. Not everybody, dude, some people
Speaker 3: blew me right off, right, but you'd be surprised some
Speaker 3: of the cool little people you can pull because they're
Speaker 3: just good people. At the end of the day, it's
Speaker 3: getting to them. It's getting to them. It's all connections,
Speaker 3: and it's all how do you get to that person?
Speaker 3: You know?
Speaker 4: Yeah, very very true. And when you said you're here,
Speaker 4: reminded me. He reminded me of a He reminded you
Speaker 4: of me. I was gonna say, what is he a
Speaker 4: five foot nine like, but but he's the.
Speaker 3: Five foot nine from five foot nine kid from Chicago.
Speaker 4: Aha.
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Speaker 4: Okay, yeah, yeah, I always like to uh I always
Speaker 4: wanted to ask, but uh no, But all kidding aside, though,
Speaker 4: you know, I agree completely man, you know, just going
Speaker 4: back to that, you know, having that passionate people man
Speaker 4: on set and avoiding all that negativity because it is
Speaker 4: it not only is a virus, it drains everyone's energy,
Speaker 4: and it also causes a lot more conflict with each other.
Speaker 4: And and you know, because I've been on those sets, Chris,
Speaker 4: you know where all of a sudden, someone comes in
Speaker 4: and they're like, oh, this is okay, We'll get someone
Speaker 4: to be here. And then then you have people who
Speaker 4: were just flat out like, oh, I don't you know,
Speaker 4: I don't want to be here anyway. This thing's gonna suck.
Speaker 4: Let me tell you about mine. Let me I have
Speaker 4: a real quick story. I was on a film set
Speaker 4: one time, and this is years ago, when I was
Speaker 4: just goofing now making a student film, and I had
Speaker 4: this guy come on and all he did all this
Speaker 4: he was he's my director of cinematography, and he came
Speaker 4: recommended by this other guy I know, and all he
Speaker 4: did was tell everybody about his latest project. He could
Speaker 4: you could not stop him from talking about it between takes.
Speaker 4: All he did he's like, you know what this reminds
Speaker 4: me of mind my movieah blah blah blah. Like Jesus Christ,
Speaker 4: you know, I got it, dude, You're making a zombie film. Congratula, congratulations.
Speaker 4: You know there's twenty five coultrillion of them. You know,
Speaker 4: you know you can add here.
Speaker 3: We still him on other projects, and instead of working
Speaker 3: on that project, all they do is talk about their project.
Speaker 3: We had somebody like that show up and I won't
Speaker 3: get into any details beyond that, but it was just like, dude,
Speaker 3: you know, it's kind of like he was kind of
Speaker 3: driving the director nuts because he kept talking about the
Speaker 3: project that he was working on. It's like, hey man,
Speaker 3: you know, like that's awesome, dude, stoked to help you.
Speaker 3: But we're fucking you know, we got a day left
Speaker 3: of filming here. We you know, we are making the
Speaker 3: tiniest movie of all time. Like we don't have time
Speaker 3: for this, Like we just stay on board here, man,
Speaker 3: call next week and we'll talk about the zombie movie.
Speaker 4: You know, yeah, yeah exactly, you know. And it's like
Speaker 4: if they had play their cards right, they could have
Speaker 4: had an ally instead of just you know, boring everyone
Speaker 4: to death, just going hey man, by the way, my
Speaker 4: own movie, like we got it. Yeah, you know, we
Speaker 4: got every you know ever, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: So when you're on set, you know, do the job
Speaker 3: that you do, try and make connections. But but but
Speaker 3: work hard on the job you do, because that's what'll
Speaker 3: really come through, especially in the indie setting. And I'm
Speaker 3: telling you, Deve, there's so many good things aligned up
Speaker 3: with this cast and the people involved. But you know,
Speaker 3: we didn't get a lot of strangers. Reza was like, Hey,
Speaker 3: I want to work with this DP. I know, you know,
Speaker 3: I got one or two stand ups that would be
Speaker 3: great for these roles. Let's try them first. I got
Speaker 3: an actor buddy that was in this other indie. I
Speaker 3: did try him, and lo and behold. I look at
Speaker 3: the cast. There's a handfield of people that we got
Speaker 3: from open casting. And we had huge open casting. We
Speaker 3: brought tons of people in, but I'd say seventy five
Speaker 3: percent of that cast is a direct connection in one
Speaker 3: way or another. It's probably only a handful of people
Speaker 3: that we walk in and didn't know and they just
Speaker 3: kick so much, but we put them in. And I
Speaker 3: think a lot of people like to work with who
Speaker 3: they know. But there's a reality to that. So it's
Speaker 3: good to make a lot of friendships and connections because
Speaker 3: you got a better chance of getting thrown into a
Speaker 3: film as an actor if you're a waiter with the
Speaker 3: director who just got this small indie then just going
Speaker 3: to an open casting call. I almost wonder if it's
Speaker 3: even possible to do that anymore, to even get in
Speaker 3: a movie, just as a dude who walked in a room. Hi,
Speaker 3: you don't know me. I'm here to show you how
Speaker 3: awesome I am. Because in the back of the head
Speaker 3: they're sitting there and they got their buddy or their nephew,
Speaker 3: or their uncle, or their neighbor or you know, it's
Speaker 3: very incestuous, and our movie was no exception to that.
Speaker 3: But you trust those people. They didn't screw us. You know,
Speaker 3: we had strange We have one lady take us to
Speaker 3: SAG because we canceled her because we had to cut
Speaker 3: the roll because we couldn't fill in the scene. Dave,
Speaker 3: it was one hundred and fifty dollars a roll, and
Speaker 3: she contacted SAG and said I need to be paid
Speaker 3: because they canceled on the day of. She hadn't even
Speaker 3: left her house yet. Dude, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: So will we ever work with her again? Hell no,
Speaker 3: If we ever hear about her again, we'll be like, dude,
Speaker 3: that fill in the blank literally cost us one hundred
Speaker 3: and fifty dollars when we had nothing in the bank
Speaker 3: because a role got cut. She wasn't in a car,
Speaker 3: she wasn't on set, literally, she was just waking up.
Speaker 3: And I said, I'm so, so so sorry, But that
Speaker 3: just gives you an example of that type of attitude
Speaker 3: can be deadly, you know. So I'm glad she wasn't
Speaker 3: in it, because if somebody would do that to a small, tiny,
Speaker 3: little movie to get you one hundred and fifty bucks, like,
Speaker 3: how would you have been on set? You know? I
Speaker 3: just I just don't think you can be positive enough,
Speaker 3: even if you're not a positive person learned to be,
Speaker 3: because I don't think this is the business for you
Speaker 3: if you're not ready to really just be nothing but
Speaker 3: good energy.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I concur you know. And the funny thing is,
Speaker 4: when last time I casted for a film I was
Speaker 4: shooting in, we did it the right way. We had
Speaker 4: We had it at a studio. We had you know,
Speaker 4: we had a we had two rooms, we had everything
Speaker 4: so and we had a great audition room that was
Speaker 4: on an elevated stage. And I had a rule, Nope,
Speaker 4: we I am going to cast everybody that I don't
Speaker 4: know people got you know that I knew got to
Speaker 4: go up there, and I gave everyone a shot who
Speaker 4: I think even had a remote shot, and we whole
Speaker 4: day and I actually ended up casting everybody who I
Speaker 4: did no completely, I had no friends, no family, nothing.
Speaker 4: Everybody was somebody I didn't know I was meaning for
Speaker 4: the first time. Though, all those people proved out to
Speaker 4: be right. Uh, they were all great, great people except
Speaker 4: for I. Actually, let me let me amend what I
Speaker 4: just said. There's one person I hired based upon the
Speaker 4: producer who wanted him, and I said, okay, I said,
Speaker 4: I will, I will tell I will take a chanceless person.
Speaker 4: That person ended up.
Speaker 3: Being the problem.
Speaker 4: Okay, yeah, And and that was because I knew and
Speaker 4: I said, this is why I wanted all fresh faces.
Speaker 4: But by the way, and it's funny you mentioned about
Speaker 4: SAG because uh, this person kept you know, as I
Speaker 4: didn't even I announced casting and then I didn't even
Speaker 4: bother like you know what I mean, Like my producers
Speaker 4: were on Facebook all the time, and I I and
Speaker 4: you know at that point, I you know, I have
Speaker 4: an on and off relationship with Facebook. But anyways, who doesn't,
Speaker 4: Oh my god, the drama on Facebook? Like who needs
Speaker 4: this ship? Honestly?
Speaker 3: With the whole promoted post ship Like, isn't the whole
Speaker 3: premise of basebo is if somebody likes you, when they
Speaker 3: click like that, they get to know about what you're doing,
Speaker 3: and now you have to pay them to let them
Speaker 3: know what you're doing. It's like ridiculous, dude. It's like,
Speaker 3: you have like ten thousand followers and your post reached
Speaker 3: five people, Like, well, what about the nine thousand, five
Speaker 3: hundred and ninety nine five people that want to know
Speaker 3: what I'm doing? And now I have to pay you
Speaker 3: to do it. I almost feel like they invented that,
Speaker 3: they made it awesome, and then once they had the
Speaker 3: whole world on it, they decided to start getting fucking
Speaker 3: paid and screw you. The whole purpose of this is
Speaker 3: out the window. So then I mean Facebook to me
Speaker 3: is I want it to go the way of my Space.
Speaker 3: Let it burn.
Speaker 4: You know, it's like the mafia, man, Anything you want
Speaker 4: done on Facebook, you gotta.
Speaker 3: Pay for it. Absolutely totally Facebook the Mafia of social media.
Speaker 4: But I was just gonna just to finish that thought.
Speaker 4: This guy said, you know, hey, I would like to
Speaker 4: like to try out and I like to, you know,
Speaker 4: for a role, And already I've been warned about this guy,
Speaker 4: real creepy dude, real sleezebag. Well, one of my producers says, listen,
Speaker 4: you know we'll be casting soon enough, or we're crowdfunding
Speaker 4: right now. He took us to SAG and said that
Speaker 4: we were trying to make him pay to audition. Oh
Speaker 4: my god, and SAG thankfully sided with us, and they said, no,
Speaker 4: they did not say that. Blah blah blah. I told
Speaker 4: my producer, I said, don't even talk to him. I said,
Speaker 4: I told you about this guy. And then I mean
Speaker 4: that caused the problem between us, and I mean all
Speaker 4: because of this this really wormy guy.
Speaker 3: That's bizarre. It's like there's people just like I always fear,
Speaker 3: there's a lot of people in this world that I
Speaker 3: would like to fucking tell the fuck off, right, But
Speaker 3: I don't because I just feel that you burn bridges.
Speaker 3: You never know what's going to occur, especially in a
Speaker 3: business like this. Why would you ever even somebody's a dick, Okay,
Speaker 3: they're a jerk. You're my homeboy, Dave. I call you
Speaker 3: on this line, say, Dave, do not work with Chuck schmacateello.
Speaker 3: He's terrible, right, But why tell chuck that he's a
Speaker 3: terrible person. I even in life, I don't do that
Speaker 3: when I meet somebody that don't like It's like, what's
Speaker 3: the point, dude, Like why throw that negative energy out there?
Speaker 3: I mean it's just but I just think people that
Speaker 3: do that in this business, what are they fools? They
Speaker 3: don't think people talk. I mean, it's just insanity. You know.
Speaker 4: Oh dude, the one time on Facebook that you know,
Speaker 4: the Philly film scene. As we were talking the pre interview,
Speaker 4: this guy gets on his Facebook tags a local producer
Speaker 4: and says and says, Oh, this guy's a piece of shit,
Speaker 4: fuck him, blah blah blah. And I'm sitting there and
Speaker 4: I'm thinking this has to be a joke. I said that,
Speaker 4: because there's no way this guy is serious. They start
Speaker 4: going back and forth all over Facebook and the one
Speaker 4: and the guy chimes back with, well, it's not a
Speaker 4: good idea to make enemies with a producer.
Speaker 3: Huh yeah.
Speaker 4: And they're going back and this guy because the other
Speaker 4: guy was an actor. They're going back and forth. Other
Speaker 4: people are getting brought in, and I go, all these
Speaker 4: people have just entered my blacklist, because I mean, I
Speaker 4: would never want anything of this to happen, and.
Speaker 3: The crazy dude like, why, It's just there's a lot
Speaker 3: of weird stuff out there, so obviously and I were
Speaker 3: jumping all over the place. But the whole point of that,
Speaker 3: to go back to the bet. The movie that we
Speaker 3: made is man, we eliminated that, Dave. I mean, it
Speaker 3: was awesome. If you would to go on this set,
Speaker 3: you literally would be treated with so much kindness and respect.
Speaker 3: And check this out. When we were doing auditions, I
Speaker 3: would ask people that I was interested at the end
Speaker 3: when they got up. I literally, even the girl who
Speaker 3: plays our lead actress, who's gone on to do some
Speaker 3: really cool stuff. I said, because I loved her. I
Speaker 3: thought she was great, And I was just like, I
Speaker 3: have one last question, like are you a nice person?
Speaker 3: And she was stunned and she was just like, uh,
Speaker 3: what do you mean, Like I don't know, just like
Speaker 3: we're new to this, and you know, we're scared of
Speaker 3: like the whole actress Hollywood reputation, Like we just want nice,
Speaker 3: normal people, Like are you friendly like in real life?
Speaker 3: And she started laughing and she's like, yeah, yeah, I'm
Speaker 3: friendly in real life. But she was so stunned to
Speaker 3: hear that question, but it came from a very honest place,
Speaker 3: you know, like are you being real right now? Or
Speaker 3: are you being nice because you want to get cast
Speaker 3: in this Like if we're having lunch, can we talk
Speaker 3: to each other? Are you going to be.
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Speaker 3: I don't want to be here. I just did it.
Speaker 3: Get everything on my reel. I got something better. Now
Speaker 3: I need to go be a hot chick on the
Speaker 3: set of you know, the thirty Rock I'd be bad example,
Speaker 3: but you know what I mean. Like it was, I
Speaker 3: was so obsessed with making sure that people were nice.
Speaker 3: I wanted them talented too. There's a couple of people
Speaker 3: we passed on. I think that could have maybe even
Speaker 3: helped the movie because they had a bit of a
Speaker 3: name because I met him and I was like, I
Speaker 3: got a bad feeling, man, I got a bad feeling,
Speaker 3: like they're not going to take this seriously. They wanted
Speaker 3: being bigger shit. I'd like those people that are kind
Speaker 3: of bubbling, that are really hungry and want to do
Speaker 3: good work. Because there was a lot of like with
Speaker 3: the dads, we cast two professional wrestlers. We cast a Diamond,
Speaker 3: Dallas Page and Jake the Snake Roberts, which is a
Speaker 3: wild story. But we had a couple of leads on
Speaker 3: some dads or more like character actors and I won't
Speaker 3: say any names, but dudes that you and I know,
Speaker 3: But there were these B movie dudes, dave, these dudes
Speaker 3: that like, yo, you give them five grand a day, right,
Speaker 3: and they'll come and they'll barely know the lines, but
Speaker 3: you can say, you've got the dude from this TV
Speaker 3: show in it, or the guy that was in this movie,
Speaker 3: you know, and they just make a living popping around
Speaker 3: these B movies. I even hear one guy wore an
Speaker 3: earpiece and I'm like, what, that guy's not even that big.
Speaker 3: But they're like, he wears an ear piece and you
Speaker 3: feed him his lines, but hey, you can give him
Speaker 3: five grand and then you can say so and so
Speaker 3: is the dad in your little tiny movie. And I
Speaker 3: just thought that was so horrifying and kind of sad too,
Speaker 3: but it's a reality, you know, yeah.
Speaker 4: You know, I just I was just thinking right now,
Speaker 4: a guy on set with an ear piece and someone
Speaker 4: some pa feedingum line, like and what does he say?
Speaker 3: Like, you know, okay, mister so and so say this
Speaker 3: one sad. You know, I miss you son, you know,
Speaker 3: and he's just like, I miss you. I mean imagine
Speaker 3: editing around that. I mean imagine making sure the dude's
Speaker 3: hair covers the ear piece. And that's a reality that
Speaker 3: a filmmaker would do, because hey, at least he's got
Speaker 3: some type of name. So on the stupid cover, we
Speaker 3: can put featuring the dude from I'm trying to think
Speaker 3: of a TV show, you know what I mean, but
Speaker 3: featuring the dude from uh, you know, you see them Davy,
Speaker 3: You know, I don't have to do das. You see
Speaker 3: those guys that just they're like, why are they in
Speaker 3: so many B movies where they just take the five
Speaker 3: grand a day and that's that, and then people cram
Speaker 3: their scenes in one day because they can't afford him
Speaker 3: for two days. You know, it's crazy, man.
Speaker 4: You know my favorite dad who's actually starting B movies
Speaker 4: was is Michael Gross from Family Ties where he's he's
Speaker 4: in tremors And I actually know somebody who's worked with
Speaker 4: him and he says, no, Michael's not like that at all.
Speaker 4: Michael actually shows up, he still works hard. He's the
Speaker 4: nicest guy, and I said.
Speaker 3: I hasn't done more. I actually thought he was a
Speaker 3: really good actor. Like, is he still around?
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, he's still around. He just released Tremors five
Speaker 4: with him and Jimmy Kennedy.
Speaker 3: Wow, Wow, dude, great name great. That's a hell of
Speaker 3: a poll right there. Dude, that's that's somebody that's just
Speaker 3: seems like a good actor. I bet he's a good dude.
Speaker 3: You know. That's when that's an interesting one. You forget
Speaker 3: about people like that. There's so many of them floating
Speaker 3: around out there. It's it's got to be brutal, dude,
Speaker 3: I mean, to be an actor, just got it be caugh.
Speaker 4: Yeah, definitely. And you know, I have friends who're actors
Speaker 4: and we're always going back and forth about you know,
Speaker 4: auditioning and casting and stuff like this. And you know,
Speaker 4: because you know, you know how it is, Chris, Because
Speaker 4: some people know, hey, Dave, you know, what's this director
Speaker 4: like I'm going to work with? And I say, you know,
Speaker 4: he's you know, he's pretty no nonsense, and you know,
Speaker 4: blah blah blah. This one's you know, real, you know,
Speaker 4: fast and loose, just wants to have fun. So you
Speaker 4: know what I mean, It's just stuff like that, you know,
Speaker 4: and and it's most and I would never recommend anybody
Speaker 4: like we were just talking about, I would never recommend
Speaker 4: anybody who I wasn't one hundred percent confident in, you
Speaker 4: know what I mean, And I mean that that really
Speaker 4: is critical, you know. And I would, by the way,
Speaker 4: I would love to work with Michael Gross someday. I
Speaker 4: think I've not only heard good things about him, but
Speaker 4: I heard you know, I still I love everything he's in,
Speaker 4: all the Tremors movies. He makes those Tremors movies.
Speaker 3: And plus, if he ever writes an autobiography, he already
Speaker 3: has the greatest title ever, just a Gross Life. And
Speaker 3: it's just in on the front looking sad, you know,
Speaker 3: just covered in blood of a tremor, of a gravel totally.
Speaker 4: So, you know, Chris, as we know, as we're talking
Speaker 4: about the bet, I wanted to ask, and I always
Speaker 4: ask this to to any filmmakers, what was the biggest challenge,
Speaker 4: Whether it was a day, whether it was a specific incident,
Speaker 4: you know, what was the you know, the biggest obstacle
Speaker 4: you had to overcome while you were making this thing.
Speaker 3: During during filming or during the whole process. During filming, Okay,
Speaker 3: during filming, okay, because we filmed over thirteen days. You know,
Speaker 3: we shot in thirteen days, all in the city of Ventura.
Speaker 3: The most difficult thing was during filming. The most difficult
Speaker 3: thing was the wearing of the different hats because we
Speaker 3: were so small that Aaron and I were the set dressers, right,
Speaker 3: Aaron and I were the the wardrobe dudes. Aaron and
Speaker 3: I were the prop guys. Aaron and I were the
Speaker 3: go get the catering guys. And Aaron and I were
Speaker 3: also the Oh geez, we were, I mean we were
Speaker 3: we were so much. We were so much and it
Speaker 3: was too many hats. The less that I learned, hopefully,
Speaker 3: when we make our next one. Oh actually, I just
Speaker 3: talk positive. When we make our next one next year, right,
Speaker 3: The key thing I think would be is you just
Speaker 3: can't have enough of those assistants. Not people to beat
Speaker 3: up or bully or make you go get coffee, you
Speaker 3: know what I mean, but just somebody there with you, like, hey,
Speaker 3: like this is kind of my guy, you know what
Speaker 3: I mean, Like, you know, hey, I'm just gonna make
Speaker 3: this up. But Steve, Steve, you're with me, Ryan, You're
Speaker 3: with Aaron. Yo, We'll treat you great, nothing but love.
Speaker 3: But we just need it. Sec a set of hands
Speaker 3: that you're always with me, almost like give me two
Speaker 3: extra arms. You know. We're gonna be doing some fun stuff,
Speaker 3: you know. But we just bid off more than we
Speaker 3: could choose, so it was hard to focus on that.
Speaker 3: And then I was also picking up wrestlers at airports,
Speaker 3: and we also had other people helping with this, Dave,
Speaker 3: I don't want you to think it was just four
Speaker 3: people making this movie, right, but we just thought we
Speaker 3: could do more. I wanted to be on set more, dude,
Speaker 3: you know, and to be sitting there watching it. And
Speaker 3: you know, as the writer and co producer, I wanted
Speaker 3: to be watching the actual movie get made. And I
Speaker 3: spent fifty percent of that movie not on set but
Speaker 3: setting up the set or picking people up or picking
Speaker 3: up food because we were so small, you know. So
Speaker 3: I guess I guess the most difficult thing was wearing
Speaker 3: too many hats. You got to find a way to
Speaker 3: find more people to help with the hats, but you
Speaker 3: have to trust them, and I really and don't trust
Speaker 3: many people. I had a vision of how every room
Speaker 3: should look. I had a vision of I knew the
Speaker 3: relationships with the restaurants that were doing the catering, So
Speaker 3: how can I send somebody when I need to be
Speaker 3: the one that goes in there, And it's Chris's face
Speaker 3: that they know, and that's why they're giving them a
Speaker 3: bunch of tacos. So it was just that, you know,
Speaker 3: I think you can wear too many hats, and sometimes
Speaker 3: that can probably be the death of small movies. But again,
Speaker 3: we had a lot of good people around us, so that,
Speaker 3: to me, was the most difficult thing. I should have
Speaker 3: trimmed a couple things off the list that I was
Speaker 3: responsible for, but we wanted to take that money, Dave
Speaker 3: and put it in other places. And I think that's
Speaker 3: why our movie Hopefully, when you see it, hopefully you'll
Speaker 3: like it and find it funny, but I think you'll
Speaker 3: see man for the budget, damn, these guys did a
Speaker 3: good job of making this stuff look legit, you know,
Speaker 3: And I think that's because we put money. We saved
Speaker 3: money in certain places where other places would get trailers right,
Speaker 3: or other places would hire a catering company, or where
Speaker 3: other places would pay for food, or other places would
Speaker 3: hire a set dresser. We did all of that, you know,
Speaker 3: and that really I think made things difficult but made
Speaker 3: us to make a movie that's better.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, that is something I always talk about
Speaker 4: with filmmakers, is there's a tendency to read something like
Speaker 4: Robert Riguez's film with a filmmaker without a crew, or
Speaker 4: even like the The Rebels Guide by Stu Makowitz, and
Speaker 4: it's almost like, and I've done this to myself, it's
Speaker 4: almost as if we're trying to be a one man
Speaker 4: crew and it ends up hurting you more than helping you.
Speaker 4: And I completely understand Chris when you're talking about putting
Speaker 4: that money elsewhere. That's what I've always thought of, too,
Speaker 4: is you know, why should I have? You know, I
Speaker 4: can be the camera operator and the cinematographer and the
Speaker 4: boom mic operator, and I'll edit this thing and you
Speaker 4: know what I mean, and I'll be the colorists. Well
Speaker 4: I'll do Follward just.
Speaker 3: Speak because you can, should you? That's the question exactly.
Speaker 4: Yeah. So that's why when I when I make movies
Speaker 4: from now on, I always just want to be the writer,
Speaker 4: the director, and the producer. And even that's a lot.
Speaker 4: Even yeah, that's a lot, dude, that's a lot.
Speaker 3: I think the writer is the easiest one of the
Speaker 3: bunch because your work's kind of done, Like, what are
Speaker 3: you going to do on set? Maybe catch a line
Speaker 3: that you want done a little different. It's you know
Speaker 3: what I'm saying, like, I think you can handle being
Speaker 3: like but it sounds like, yeah, I'm not certain. I'm
Speaker 3: not going to tell you how to do it. But
Speaker 3: you're right. I mean, you just wear so many hats
Speaker 3: because you can. But then again, at the end, the
Speaker 3: hardest part, the hardest part of the whole movie, forget
Speaker 3: the filming, filming was awesome, is post production. We were
Speaker 3: not prepared, We were not ready. We ran out of money.
Speaker 3: Tech issue after tech issue after tech issue after tech issue.
Speaker 3: To the point of the film is out upon release
Speaker 3: of this podcast right came out today, I believe. So
Speaker 3: the film can be seen blah blah blah. But I'm
Speaker 3: talking to you a couple of days before we release it, right,
Speaker 3: let's be honest. So our premiere is in Los Angeles
Speaker 3: in forty eight hours, and we just just got the
Speaker 3: Blu ray completed to show it. Because the poor producer
Speaker 3: and director has spent the past ten days doing program
Speaker 3: after program after recording after program to burn a freaking
Speaker 3: blue ray. I mean, like that's what we're talking about,
Speaker 3: and it's tech tech tech tech tech has been a
Speaker 3: complete nightmare for something like this because we haven't had
Speaker 3: the money to have a real proper post production team,
Speaker 3: and it really made things take a long time and
Speaker 3: was really was brutal. Man. So I would say tech
Speaker 3: is the hardest part of it, which is funny because
Speaker 3: it's the first thing you and I said when we
Speaker 3: got on the phone in the pre interview.
Speaker 4: You know, yeah, absolutely, and you know, I'm so glad
Speaker 4: though that everything has worked out, honestly, man, because I honestly, Chris,
Speaker 4: because I hear so many you know, independent films. You know,
Speaker 4: they have a budget, whatever that budget might be, and
Speaker 4: they get to like seventy five percent done, eighty percent done,
Speaker 4: and all of a sudden they have to stop for
Speaker 4: whatever reason. You know what I mean. There is so
Speaker 4: many movies in the philadelph especially in the Philadelphy area
Speaker 4: where you know where I am.
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Speaker 4: Where I've you know, I've been a part of films
Speaker 4: like that where I've been an actor for him or
Speaker 4: I've helped that and crew or something, and all of
Speaker 4: a sudden, you know, they're like, oh yeah, that movie's
Speaker 4: on some guy's hard drive and we're probably never going.
Speaker 3: To finish it. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah totally. And how
Speaker 3: sad is that? Is there anything more sad in the
Speaker 3: world than that? Man? I mean, like you know that
Speaker 3: heart and soul and blood, sweat and tears and it's
Speaker 3: just gone, like oh man, I mean, I'd be devastated, dude.
Speaker 3: We were devastated how long post production was taking. And
Speaker 3: at one point I had I was never going to
Speaker 3: give into the vision, but there was a vision of
Speaker 3: is this going to be one of these things? You
Speaker 3: know what I'm saying, like, is this going to be
Speaker 3: one of these things that can't get done because we
Speaker 3: ran out of money? That was a real tough time,
Speaker 3: you know, I mean post production look a long time,
Speaker 3: and uh man, it's depressing. It's kind of scary, like,
Speaker 3: oh my god, Like you know, what are the investors
Speaker 3: going I mean, I'm being honest with you because it's
Speaker 3: a filmmaking podcast, right, but like, what are the investors
Speaker 3: going to do if if we can't pull this off?
Speaker 3: What happens to the footage. What happens to our reputations.
Speaker 3: I mean, like, so we just stayed in the pocket.
Speaker 3: But I mean the amount of work. My god, Dave,
Speaker 3: if you could have told me ahead at the time,
Speaker 3: I would have done it, of course, But geez, what
Speaker 3: I questioned my sanity, you know, because I mean, I've
Speaker 3: basically remained in poverty just to get this thing done,
Speaker 3: because I can only work part time because I need
Speaker 3: to spend the rest of the time working on the movie. Man.
Speaker 3: I mean, it's god, is it a labor of love.
Speaker 3: I just have such a deep respect for people that
Speaker 3: make movies. Now, I will never shit on a movie.
Speaker 3: I may not like it, but an indie film, I'll
Speaker 3: shit on the studio ones all day, you know. But
Speaker 3: I will never shit on an indie film again. And
Speaker 3: when I say Indy, let's talk about real indies, dude,
Speaker 3: I'm not talking about a million dollar indie with Daniel
Speaker 3: Radcliffe being a guy who farts as a corpse. I'm
Speaker 3: talking about like, you know, I'm talking about like, hey,
Speaker 3: you made a movie for one hundred thousand dollars. You
Speaker 3: made a movie for one hundred and fifty, You made
Speaker 3: a move for seventy five. Basically, you pull off a
Speaker 3: movie for under one hundred and fifty thousand dollars and
Speaker 3: you have my respect forever, you know.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and I agree completely. And by the way, Swith's
Speaker 4: Army Man. Somebody told me the premise of that movie
Speaker 4: and I thought they were joking around. And then and
Speaker 4: then I saw a trailer and I was like, oh okay,
Speaker 4: I said, you know, Chris, I've seen so many weird
Speaker 4: movies over the years. At this point, I'm like, you
Speaker 4: know what, I'll take a gamble on this one too.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Cool, Good for you man, Good for you maybe.
Speaker 3: I mean, honestly, it'd probably be like a freaking masterpiece, right,
Speaker 3: could probably be like the most important film made in years,
Speaker 3: you know, so good for them. You got to respect
Speaker 3: somebody doing something different, you know, you have to. But
Speaker 3: people are telling me like it's this new indie. Get
Speaker 3: the fuck. I ain't nothing indie about a movie with
Speaker 3: those two guys in it, Like, come on, you know,
Speaker 3: the CGI alone when he rides them through the ocean
Speaker 3: probably costs like one hundred thousand dollars. You know, you
Speaker 3: and I could have made five shorts for that, you know.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, seriously, I mean and I believe I understand
Speaker 4: completely what you're saying, Chris and I and you know,
Speaker 4: because I mean, I've made movies for literally nothing, just
Speaker 4: everyone doing it for the love of the game. And
Speaker 4: I've made things for like twenty five, thirty forty thousand,
Speaker 4: and you're like, holy crap, it sounds like a lot
Speaker 4: of money when I started, and now it's like down
Speaker 4: to nothing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, it's man, it's just a it's it's
Speaker 3: a mind blowing business man. I got a lot of
Speaker 3: respect for you guys that do this and love it
Speaker 3: and breathe it because it's so hard to get it done.
Speaker 3: I mean, what other thing can you name that you
Speaker 3: just can't do? Right? If I want to be a
Speaker 3: pro baseball player, probably not gonna happen, but damn it.
Speaker 3: I can play baseball every day in my life, right,
Speaker 3: I can get in an inter real league. I can
Speaker 3: play and fill in the blank with anything else. Music. Okay,
Speaker 3: maybe I'm not going to be you know, I'll give
Speaker 3: you bon Jovie reference and you're that part of the world.
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna be bon Jovi, But I can still
Speaker 3: write a song. I can still find a little coffee house,
Speaker 3: open mic and I can play it for people, right,
Speaker 3: But you just can't make a film. Okay, you can
Speaker 3: grab your iPhone, of course, I'm not saying you can
Speaker 3: do that, but do you know what I mean, an
Speaker 3: actual full length feature film. You just can't do it.
Speaker 3: There's a million hurdles, there's all these people. I don't
Speaker 3: I just think it's just such a such an undertaking
Speaker 3: to go down that road that I just support anybody man, like,
Speaker 3: just awesome, hell, it's great. How can I help you?
Speaker 3: You know? What? Do you need? Guys? Because you're about
Speaker 3: to go to war, like you are about to go
Speaker 3: to war, and it doesn't end in the filming. You know,
Speaker 3: here I am two years later, finally releasing the thing,
Speaker 3: and the distribution. You're dealing with and doing the premiere
Speaker 3: and and doing the press, and you're all doing I mean, dude,
Speaker 3: I mean, I'm just again. You are talking to me
Speaker 3: at a time where my head's spinning, so you're probably
Speaker 3: getting a very emotional version of me. If we talk
Speaker 3: in three months, we could probably have a very relaxed
Speaker 3: So Chris, how did it happen? Well, Dave, this happened,
Speaker 3: you know. But I'm in the midst of like, ah,
Speaker 3: and but it's an exciting one and I asked for
Speaker 3: this and I'm pumped up. And we're proud of it too. Man.
Speaker 3: You know it's a it's a big life goal and
Speaker 3: a huge accomplishment, you know, yeah, oh absolutely, Chris.
Speaker 4: And you know, I mean I I've been there before too,
Speaker 4: and I completely understand where you're coming from, dude. And honestly, Chris,
Speaker 4: you should be proud of the Bet movie. And now
Speaker 4: you're gonna you're probably at that phase where you know,
Speaker 4: at the end you were probably you know, you're drained,
Speaker 4: You've given everything you can and you're like, you know what,
Speaker 4: I've made one movie, that's it, goodbye. And then you know,
Speaker 4: about a month or two later, you're like, man, I
Speaker 4: should maybe make a nun.
Speaker 3: It's not it's funny you say that, Dave. While we
Speaker 3: were waiting for post production to happen and we were
Speaker 3: kind of had the post production blues right and trying
Speaker 3: to find some more money, right, what we did is
Speaker 3: we run another script. Aaron and I learned so much.
Speaker 3: We said, let's take this education, let's write another one. Man.
Speaker 3: And you know, it's so funny. You know, you always
Speaker 3: you get better but we had so much on set
Speaker 3: experience in this whole process. I kind of feel like
Speaker 3: we went to film school without going to film school, right,
Speaker 3: And I'm sure film school people were like, fucking idiot, No,
Speaker 3: you didn't know. It's true, I don't know the difference
Speaker 3: between this brand of camera this brand of camera. Right.
Speaker 3: But we wrote this next script and we're very excited
Speaker 3: about it. We actually want to shoot it next year
Speaker 3: in South Jersey and your neck of the woods. And
Speaker 3: it was so cool because we got to write a
Speaker 3: script knowing what it's like to make a movie. Now
Speaker 3: we know what we need. Now we know too can't
Speaker 3: write that scene that's ridiculous, it'll get but so it
Speaker 3: got to be very focused. And that's just the education
Speaker 3: that comes with time that guys like you have. But
Speaker 3: it was very exciting to put that into play. And
Speaker 3: if this movie does well, you know, your your hope
Speaker 3: is that it opens the door for another executive producer,
Speaker 3: or the same executive producers, or just more connections in
Speaker 3: the business to back this and get behind another one.
Speaker 3: But I definitely learned we need more money if we
Speaker 3: want to make the type of movie we made. We're
Speaker 3: not gonna be able to do it on that budget. Again,
Speaker 3: we're gonna need to find a couple more bucks. You
Speaker 3: got to move up the ladder a little bit, right,
Speaker 3: You can't, you can't go in the opposite direction.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, it's just like what Dov Simon says. You know,
Speaker 4: you may you get to make a twenty thousand dollars movie,
Speaker 4: then you make a fifty thousand dollars movie, then you
Speaker 4: make one hundred and some one thousand, and then all
Speaker 4: of a sudden you're making a million dollar movies.
Speaker 3: You know what I mean.
Speaker 4: I think, actually, I think he starts off with in
Speaker 4: his paradigm, you make you make a movie for nothing, literally,
Speaker 4: it's just your friends, whatever, and then you have to
Speaker 4: make a movie for like ten grand or five grand,
Speaker 4: and then you move up. You know it sporadically. But yeah,
Speaker 4: but I know exactly where you're coming from, because that's
Speaker 4: what I mean. That's where I I've always said too,
Speaker 4: is you know, people ask me about making stuff and
Speaker 4: why haven't made anything like four or five years, and
Speaker 4: my answer is is because I'm an idiot and I
Speaker 4: write things and I go, holy shit, I would never
Speaker 4: be able to even using all my methods that I
Speaker 4: talked about in this podcast. Even having all the people
Speaker 4: who who've talked to me and saying, look, what do
Speaker 4: you have access to? What can you make today with it?
Speaker 4: With all you have access to? I end up writing
Speaker 4: stuff that I'm like, dude, I look at one effect
Speaker 4: and I'm like, this thing would cost fifty grand, or
Speaker 4: I look at this, this one goes you know, I mean,
Speaker 4: I mean, but then again, Chris, you know, I don't
Speaker 4: know if I don't know if you ever listened to
Speaker 4: this other couple of the podcasts. But I mean, I'm
Speaker 4: the guy who was able to get a live working
Speaker 4: tank and also able to get fake police cars to
Speaker 4: destroy And it wasn't that I wasn't you know. We
Speaker 4: couldn't make it because not because we couldn't find the
Speaker 4: tank and the police cards are destroyed, but because me
Speaker 4: and the director couldn't get along. So it was a
Speaker 4: very odd I love it.
Speaker 3: So therefore your biography should be I found that Tank
Speaker 3: wants the Dave Ballist story, you know.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah, And and I actually because I have a
Speaker 4: friend of mine who's a mechanic. He uh, he has
Speaker 4: a contract with police. The police department had all the
Speaker 4: old police parts we were going to doc throw up
Speaker 4: all these old junkers to look like police cars from
Speaker 4: just one side and then run a tank over them.
Speaker 4: And we had and I got everything all squared away,
Speaker 4: and I mean the director connected, Wow.
Speaker 3: That's crazy. But but now he's in tank that you
Speaker 3: found a tank. That's the important thing, you know.
Speaker 4: Yep, he's my tank guy from now on.
Speaker 3: This guy guy. I love it. Hey, at least you
Speaker 3: have a tank guy. A lot of people don't have that.
Speaker 3: I love it.
Speaker 4: I got two things going for me. I had a
Speaker 4: pro wrestling match and I and I have a tank guy.
Speaker 4: So that's it.
Speaker 3: I think for most people that's enough, you know what
Speaker 3: I mean? Like you know, you know, even on your tombstone,
Speaker 3: like here lies Dave Ballist, he had one pro wrestling
Speaker 3: match and one time he found a tank. I mean,
Speaker 3: everybody's gonna take a picture of that tombstone. That's gonna
Speaker 3: be a.
Speaker 4: Plastic up as I'm buried in a uh what is it?
Speaker 4: The piano crate. But I just become like Marlon Brando.
Speaker 4: I just eat myself into like an early grave.
Speaker 3: It'd be worse.
Speaker 4: We just took a very dark turn there. But Chris
Speaker 4: I wanted to ask, where can people find the BET
Speaker 4: movie out?
Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely so the BET as of right now is
Speaker 3: officially out. I think it's actually comes out today on
Speaker 3: the day of airing. From July twenty sixth on, it
Speaker 3: is on should be, should be on all VOD outlets
Speaker 3: like Time Warners, movies on demand, Comcast Movies on demand,
Speaker 3: you know, direct TV movies on demand, and of course iTunes.
Speaker 3: That's kind of the de facto place and that's probably
Speaker 3: the first place I would send somebody to look for
Speaker 3: it on iTunes. But it'll also be available for around
Speaker 3: on Xbox, PlayStation, Fandango, now, Voodoo, so basically all the
Speaker 3: digital outlets, the VOD outlets, and then we'll be doing
Speaker 3: a DVD at the end of August, and then god
Speaker 3: willing fingers crossed conversation for another time.
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Speaker 3: We land on Netflix or Hulo Hulu with the streaming deal.
Speaker 3: So that's a plan. But right now, if you want
Speaker 3: to see this movie, if you like comedy, if you
Speaker 3: like silly movies, if you like professional wrestling, if you
Speaker 3: just want to see what a bunch of psychotic, ambitious
Speaker 3: dudes made on a small budget. You know, check it out.
Speaker 3: This this one came from the heart. Man. It's a
Speaker 3: silly movie. It's a wild movie. It's a wacky movie.
Speaker 3: It's certainly not for everybody. It's not highbrow, Dave, but
Speaker 3: you know, in a weird way, it came from all
Speaker 3: the right places. You know, it came from good people
Speaker 3: that worked really hard against a lot of odds. And
Speaker 3: you know, I think, as any indie filmmaker, regardless of
Speaker 3: the content, it's the type of movie you want to
Speaker 3: download by at once and support it because you know,
Speaker 3: I think a lot of people can relate to the struggle. Man.
Speaker 3: You know, it is real, and it's always cool when
Speaker 3: somebody cracks through and gets it out there. We'll see
Speaker 3: what happens. Man, I don't know what's gonna happened, but
Speaker 3: it's exciting. It's exciting to find out, you know. Yeah.
Speaker 4: And by the way, I meant to mention, this is
Speaker 4: Robby Roddy Piper's last movie.
Speaker 3: Right, Yes, it's a final appearance of Roddy Roddy Piper.
Speaker 3: He has a cameo in the film. So it is small,
Speaker 3: but that was one of the great joys in my
Speaker 3: life was having Roddy Piper in my own house hanging out.
Speaker 3: We got to spend a wonderful day together. We really bonded.
Speaker 3: We actually became friends from the whole project and kept
Speaker 3: in touch. So you know, when we lost him, that
Speaker 3: was you know, it kind of affected me a little bit.
Speaker 3: It was strange to have made friends with a hero
Speaker 3: like that and then worked with him on this and
Speaker 3: started to talk to him about other projects, and just
Speaker 3: as quickly as he came in my life, he left.
Speaker 3: But it's a real honor to me. If if the
Speaker 3: only thing that this movie becomes known for historically that's
Speaker 3: a stretch of a word, but is if it's known,
Speaker 3: oh that was that last movie that Roddy popped in
Speaker 3: for a couple of minutes. Fine by me, Man, Fine
Speaker 3: by me. I'm honored to be the guy that made
Speaker 3: Roddy Piper's last movie.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And honestly, even if I if I I know you, Chris,
Speaker 4: I honestly I would have actually bought the movie just
Speaker 4: to see his last performance. I was, you know, being
Speaker 4: a wrestling fan of a huge Piper fan as well,
Speaker 4: and that I think that is so freaking cool. So
Speaker 4: to be able to say on your on your you know,
Speaker 4: on your eulogy, that can say, Hey, Chris, you know
Speaker 4: Chris j He he was able to hire out Droddy
Speaker 4: Piper and he made the Bet movie.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there you go. That's it, man, That's all I
Speaker 3: got going for me, you know. And of course, if
Speaker 3: anybody's listening, if they want to follow us online, you
Speaker 3: can go to the Betmovie twenty sixteen dot com. From
Speaker 3: there you can connect to our Facebook, our Twitter, our Instagram.
Speaker 3: We're trying to have fun with the marketing, Dave. We're
Speaker 3: really trying to get a little cult buzz on this.
Speaker 3: It's for comedy fans, it's for wrestling fans. We got
Speaker 3: some talented people in it, man. You know, our two
Speaker 3: lead actors, Amanda Clayton is going to be in a
Speaker 3: Martin Scorsese movie at the end of the year. She's
Speaker 3: on a Tyler Perry show right now. Our lead actor
Speaker 3: has a small role in Guardians of the Galaxy too.
Speaker 3: So you're gonna see some faces in here that I
Speaker 3: truly believe in my heart. In the next year or two,
Speaker 3: you're going to see a lot more of And I
Speaker 3: think we just took casting so seriously that you know,
Speaker 3: hopefully it's one of those films that go gains momentum
Speaker 3: as it goes to Netflix. As people see it, they're like,
Speaker 3: hey man, I saw this movie and it's kind of wild,
Speaker 3: but it's actually funny. I like to think it's kind
Speaker 3: of I don't know, you know, I think it's a
Speaker 3: funny movie. You don't make a comedy to not make
Speaker 3: people laugh, and that was our goal. You know.
Speaker 4: I'm glad you actually brought that up. If you have
Speaker 4: the time. I had some fan questions coming through Twitter. Yeah, sure, okay,
Speaker 4: so one of them, it actually is if there was
Speaker 4: one thing that you wanted the audience to take away
Speaker 4: from your film, what would that be.
Speaker 3: Somebody's got to write dick and fart jokes? Why not me?
Speaker 4: The second question is what cameras did you shoot on
Speaker 4: and did you shoot in four K?
Speaker 3: We shot on an Alexa, which we were very lucky
Speaker 3: to get so it looks awesome, and then we did
Speaker 3: one or two pickup shots with a red that was
Speaker 3: attached to a drone and the guy that let us
Speaker 3: use it basically ran around and fought underneath in terror
Speaker 3: because he was ready to catch it if it fell.
Speaker 3: And so you shot you didn't shoot in four K,
Speaker 3: you know, I mean, that's how not technical I am
Speaker 3: on being completely blunt with you, Dave, I'm not sure.
Speaker 3: I just know that we had the Alexa camera that
Speaker 3: everybody was super excited and it looked great, especially when
Speaker 3: we put that color on it. It's like, man, this
Speaker 3: looks like a real movie quote unquote, you know it's uh.
Speaker 4: By the way, as you you know, go through this
Speaker 4: wonderful world of filmmaking. By the way, that's the numb
Speaker 4: one question you will always ask. From now every time
Speaker 4: you make a film, every other filmmaker is going to
Speaker 4: ask you this question, what did you shooting on?
Speaker 3: What did you shoot it on?
Speaker 4: Yep, that that will be the col de facto question.
Speaker 4: And you know they're a filmmaker because non filmmaking people
Speaker 4: don't give two flying fucks what you shoot ony. You
Speaker 4: could shoot it on a cardboard box. No, you can say, hey,
Speaker 4: I shot it with my iPhone. Oh that's cool. What
Speaker 4: they're every filmmaking persons say, hey, would you shoot that on?
Speaker 3: Okay? Okay, I just sent a text to find out
Speaker 3: so in the future I won't look like a goog goob.
Speaker 3: It's cool.
Speaker 4: I believe me, man, I you know, it's all good
Speaker 4: with me.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 4: You know because every time that I've every film. If
Speaker 4: you go to a film festival, a film networking thing
Speaker 4: and you show a film, would you shoot that on? Okay?
Speaker 4: Would you shoot them? That's everybody. Everyone loves to ask
Speaker 4: that question. But but uh, but I just think that's
Speaker 4: how I can tell if you're a film, if you're
Speaker 4: in the industry or not, because non industry people won't
Speaker 4: even mention it.
Speaker 3: Uh huh.
Speaker 4: But but yeah, Chris, I I want to say thank
Speaker 4: you so much for coming on. Uh. And I want
Speaker 4: to ask where people find you out online?
Speaker 3: Yeah, if people want to see what I'm up to
Speaker 3: and all that fun stuff, the best place is probably
Speaker 3: on Twitter. And it's just at Army of Freshman. That's
Speaker 3: the name of the band, and that's where I kind
Speaker 3: of put my all my personal stuff, you know. And uh,
Speaker 3: I got the text message. So I'm a professional filmmaker.
Speaker 3: Now Dave you ready? Yeah, I'm ready ready, you're ready ready.
Speaker 3: They said we shot on an Alexa camera and it said, uh,
Speaker 3: at the time, Alexa didn't shoot four. We shot on
Speaker 3: a two. Does that okay? So two K two k okay,
Speaker 3: that's what I want to say in ALEXA two k okay. Good?
Speaker 3: Is that a good thing? Date or bad thing?
Speaker 4: And that's that's fun? Honestly, man.
Speaker 3: You know that's when should have hung up on me.
Speaker 3: That would be a great end of this conversation. What
Speaker 3: a fuck.
Speaker 4: You know, that's how I ended up most conversations. What
Speaker 4: a fun. Uh but uh but basically, you know, everyone
Speaker 4: only only has ten eighty uh tenandy monitors, TVs, tablets, phones.
Speaker 4: So I mean, you know, this whole thing about shooting
Speaker 4: two four eight, you know, it's I don't really know
Speaker 4: if it matters at the end of the day. I
Speaker 4: you know, I think it's a great thing. Honestly, if
Speaker 4: you shoot, I think we're waves away from shooting everyone
Speaker 4: shooting in four K and being able to enjoy in
Speaker 4: four K as well, because you have to crush all
Speaker 4: this stuff anyway. So my answer is, yeah, I think
Speaker 4: that's great. Man.
Speaker 3: Okay, good, good, good good. I can't wait for you
Speaker 3: to see it, man, I really mean that, out of
Speaker 3: everybody that I've been talking to publicity wise, I think
Speaker 3: you'll have a neat perspective. Number one, because you like
Speaker 3: wrestling in all honesty, and you'll probably understand that how
Speaker 3: it's hard to work with wrestlers, and but you'll understand
Speaker 3: the comedy of it. And number two, you're a film guy,
Speaker 3: you know. Number three you're from Philly. And number four,
Speaker 3: you didn't laugh at me when I didn't know what
Speaker 3: camera it was shot on. So these are you know,
Speaker 3: you're the type of guy that needs to see this film.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm going to put on my pjs, I'm gonna
Speaker 4: fire up the old Xbox. I'm gonna check it out.
Speaker 3: Go co cool. Awesome, David, And thank you so much
Speaker 3: for your time, dude. And again I do listen to
Speaker 3: the podcast and I always enjoy your conversations. I like
Speaker 3: how you have a lot of variety of people on
Speaker 3: the show. You're not like kind of one of those
Speaker 3: conceited podcasts that kind of just rip on people and
Speaker 3: you know, they just kind of make it sort of
Speaker 3: I don't know, it's kind of seems like bitter dudes
Speaker 3: that don't make movies, that want to rip on people
Speaker 3: that do. That's not you. You're always so supportive to
Speaker 3: your guests and I always learned something so I am
Speaker 3: a fan. Man. It was a real pleasure talking to you.
Speaker 4: Oh no, I appreciate that, Chris. Like I said in
Speaker 4: the pre interview, man, I you know I always try
Speaker 4: to say positive.
Speaker 3: Uh. You know.
Speaker 4: I always want to make this a place of positivity
Speaker 4: and have as many interesting, diverse people as I can.
Speaker 4: But having said that, I want to say thank you
Speaker 4: very much for coming on, Chris, and I really do
Speaker 4: wish you the best with a BET movie. I'm going
Speaker 4: to be checking it out six. It is released on
Speaker 4: all of the of the channels that Chris was talking about.
Speaker 4: But Chris, honestly, Matt, I want to say thank you
Speaker 4: so much for coming on, and I'm going to make
Speaker 4: sure to check out the BET movie.
Speaker 3: So my pleasure, Dave, you take care and thanks everybody
Speaker 3: for listening. Really doesn't mean a lot. Please check out
Speaker 3: the film and say hi, let us know what you thought.
Speaker 4: Awesome. Take care chreer, Okay, take care. Brother.
Speaker 2: I want to thank Dave so much for doing such
Speaker 2: a great job on this episode. If you want to
Speaker 2: get links to anything we spoke about in this episode,
Speaker 2: head over to the show notes at Bulletproof Screenwriting dot
Speaker 2: TV Forward slash four fifty five. Thank you so much
Speaker 2: for listening to guys, as always, keep on writing no
Speaker 2: matter what. I'll talk to you soon.
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