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<v Speaker 1>What's up everyone and welcome to another episode of the

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<v Speaker 1>Epstein Chronicles. In this episode we're going to pick up

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<v Speaker 1>where we left off with Bill Clinton and his transcripts

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<v Speaker 1>from his conversation with Congress. Doing the questioning now is

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<v Speaker 1>John McGuire. In your opening statement you talked about preventing

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<v Speaker 1>future or more human trafficking in our country and I

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<v Speaker 1>agree with that. I think that's one of the big

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<v Speaker 1>purposes here today. Today we hope we can get Justice

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<v Speaker 1>for the victims, have accountability, and transparency. Just curious, have

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<v Speaker 1>you read the Epstein files that have been released? Bill Clinton, no.

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<v Speaker 1>I have read many news stories about them, but I

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<v Speaker 1>have not read them all. Question, and how many Epstein

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<v Speaker 1>files do you recall were released during the Biden administration? Answer,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know. Bill Clinton, how many? Dave Kendall, if

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<v Speaker 1>you know. Bill Clinton, I don't know. John McGuire, zero.

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<v Speaker 1>and how many Epstein files have been released during President

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<v Speaker 1>Trump's second term. Bill Clinton, thanks to Congress and the victims,

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<v Speaker 1>quite a number. John McGuire, over 3 million. Now, as president,

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<v Speaker 1>you're chief executive for the U.S. And as we get

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<v Speaker 1>to the end of this, I'm going to ask you

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<v Speaker 1>what we could do to prevent, because I think that's

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<v Speaker 1>what we all care about, is what we could do

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<v Speaker 1>to prevent more human trafficking type stuff. So let's talk

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<v Speaker 1>about Kevin Spacey for a second. In a June 2024

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<v Speaker 1>interview on Piers Morgan, Kevin Spacey recounted noticing young girls

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<v Speaker 1>on the flight and expressed he didn't want to be

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<v Speaker 1>around this guy Epstein because he felt he put the

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<v Speaker 1>president at risk on that trip to South Africa because

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<v Speaker 1>there were these young girls. So did Mr. Spacey ever

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<v Speaker 1>communicate these concerns with you directly? Bill Clinton, not that

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<v Speaker 1>I recall, no. Question, did anyone else express similar concerns

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<v Speaker 1>about these young people? Answer, no. Question, Do you agree

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<v Speaker 1>with Mr. Spacey's characterization that these young girls on the

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<v Speaker 1>flights were concerned? Cheryl Mills, I'm sorry, what exactly is

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<v Speaker 1>the characterization that Mr. Spacey gave? McGuire, that these young

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<v Speaker 1>girls would put the president at risk. Cheryl Mills, so

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<v Speaker 1>that's Mr. Spacey's concern? And you're asking him whether or

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<v Speaker 1>not Mr. Spacey said that, shared that with him? McGuire, yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Would he agree with that? Bill Clinton, I had no

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<v Speaker 1>reason to believe that at the time. Question, okay, did

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<v Speaker 1>you ever feel uncomfortable due to the presence of young

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<v Speaker 1>girls on any of these flights? Cheryl Mills once again

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<v Speaker 1>jumps in. When you say young girls, do you mean

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<v Speaker 1>women younger than 18? And so you're saying there were

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<v Speaker 1>women younger than 18? McGuire, I'm asking, yeah. Were there

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<v Speaker 1>anybody on those flights that you can recall under the

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<v Speaker 1>age of 18? Bill Clinton, to the best of my knowledge,

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<v Speaker 1>there was not. If there was, and I knew it,

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<v Speaker 1>I would be uncomfortable. McGuire, that answered. All right. Did

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<v Speaker 1>you ever speak with or otherwise engage with? Well, I

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<v Speaker 1>think you just answered young girls on the flights, so

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<v Speaker 1>I'll move on. Ron Burkle, do you know him? Answer, yeah. Question,

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<v Speaker 1>all right. Ron Burkle commented on Epstein is Creepy. I

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<v Speaker 1>would like to introduce majority exhibit. What's the number? 21.

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<v Speaker 1>Majority exhibit, 21, page 5. The paragraph at the top

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<v Speaker 1>of the page, the last sentence, if you would take

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<v Speaker 1>a look at that. Cheryl Mills, can you say what

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<v Speaker 1>page again? McGuire, sure. Page five, the paragraph at the top,

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<v Speaker 1>the last sentence. Mills, if you can give us a

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<v Speaker 1>minute to read it, that'd be great. McGuire, sure. So

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<v Speaker 1>they get through it, they read it. Now McGuire says,

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<v Speaker 1>so the question would be this. I understand you didn't

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<v Speaker 1>know anything about it, but let me ask the question.

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<v Speaker 1>You have no memory of this occurring, correct? Dave Kendall

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<v Speaker 1>jumps in, another lawyer for the president. Excuse me, are

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<v Speaker 1>you talking about Ron Burkle saying to the president? McGuire, well,

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<v Speaker 1>let me read the whole thing. Sources close to Burkle,

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<v Speaker 1>it says, he was invited by Clinton, assumed the rod

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<v Speaker 1>was vetted, and flew home on a commercial jet after

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<v Speaker 1>finding Epstein to be creepy. It appears he saw that

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<v Speaker 1>and he flew home early, but that might be as

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<v Speaker 1>it may. Do you have any memory of this occurring?

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<v Speaker 1>Bill Clinton, I do not. Question, why do you think

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<v Speaker 1>that Mr. Burkle would think that Epstein is creepy? Cheryl Mills,

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<v Speaker 1>are you asking for? David Kendall objects. Objection, speculative. He

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<v Speaker 1>can't know that. Bill Clinton, I don't know. Some people

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<v Speaker 1>thought I shouldn't fly with him. Question, did you witness

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<v Speaker 1>anything unusual with Epstein that would lead you to believe

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<v Speaker 1>that Epstein was creepy? Answer, no. I never saw him

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<v Speaker 1>do anything that was suspicious. Question, and you don't recall Mr.

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<v Speaker 1>Burkle leaving the trip early to fly home commercially? Answer,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know. Question? Sure. So who else in your circle?

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<v Speaker 1>Because one of the concerns I have is how did

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<v Speaker 1>somebody who was convicted of trafficking humans, how did he

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<v Speaker 1>infiltrate the highest level of government? If we could get

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<v Speaker 1>an idea or a lesson learned, we could prevent that

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<v Speaker 1>from happening again. Who in your circle, while you were

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<v Speaker 1>president or after in the Clinton Foundation? Who else do

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<v Speaker 1>you think that we should question here? Cheryl Mills, can

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<v Speaker 1>you just clarify one thing? You said, who had been convicted?

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<v Speaker 1>He wasn't convicted at the time. McGuire, Epstein, Mills, yeah. McGuire, no,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm talking afterwards. So people that were associated with him. Mills,

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<v Speaker 1>after he was convicted. McGuire, one of the questions would be,

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<v Speaker 1>is why do you think Epstein visited the White House

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<v Speaker 1>so much? Mills, so he was convicted in 2000 and what, eight? McGuire,

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<v Speaker 1>I will at least have to look at my notes. Question. Question.

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<v Speaker 1>or answer by Mills, and he visited the White House

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<v Speaker 1>in the 90s. So I'm just trying to make sure

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<v Speaker 1>you're not speaking to before he was convicted. You're talking

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<v Speaker 1>about after he was convicted? McGuire? So let me go back.

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<v Speaker 1>So the thing is, he went to the White House

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<v Speaker 1>so many times, and he is connected to the world

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<v Speaker 1>leaders all over the place. Many people have resigned as

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<v Speaker 1>a result of the Epstein files. So I'm just asking

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<v Speaker 1>a neutral question. And based on your experience as a

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<v Speaker 1>world leader, what could we do to prevent predators like

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<v Speaker 1>this from infiltrating the highest levels of the American government.

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<v Speaker 1>Bill Clinton, well, when someone knows about it, they should

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<v Speaker 1>report it, and there should be a system set up

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<v Speaker 1>to act on it. Question, well, I agree with that.

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<v Speaker 1>Is it true that in 2013, Ms. Maxwell was a

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<v Speaker 1>guest at the Clinton Global Initiative Conference? Bill Clinton, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know. When's the last year we had it? Cheryl Mills,

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<v Speaker 1>2013 is one of the years they're asking whether or

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<v Speaker 1>not she was there. Bill Clinton, off the top of

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<v Speaker 1>my head, I don't know. Question, well, I understand. that

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<v Speaker 1>she also attended your daughter's wedding. Bill Clinton, she did. Question,

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<v Speaker 1>and so understanding now, the unspeakable evil that these people committed.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you believe it was a mistake allowing them close

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<v Speaker 1>to your family? Cheryl Mills, are you asking if you

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<v Speaker 1>knew at the time when she was at the wedding?

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<v Speaker 1>McGuire looking back. Clinton looking back, I had no idea.

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<v Speaker 1>If I had known what she was doing, I would

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<v Speaker 1>have done the right thing. Question, I understand. Bill Clinton

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<v Speaker 1>jumps in, but also keep in mind I felt bad

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<v Speaker 1>for Ted Wade. who was a very close friend of mine,

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<v Speaker 1>and I never had any doubt about him and still don't. McGuire,

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<v Speaker 1>Roger that. Well, I think we would agree that we

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<v Speaker 1>all want justice for the victims. We all want transparency

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<v Speaker 1>and accountability. We want to strengthen our anti-human trafficking laws.

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<v Speaker 1>President Trump has secured the border and gone after the

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<v Speaker 1>cartels and even passed legislation to help human trafficking victims.

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<v Speaker 1>What other legislation could we do based on your experience

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<v Speaker 1>that would help stop trafficking in America, if not the world? Clinton, well, first,

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<v Speaker 1>you need to ask people who know more about how

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<v Speaker 1>to get people over it. I mean, there's already been

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<v Speaker 1>large numbers of dollars put into settlements, but I think

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<v Speaker 1>there must be damages to people that will take a

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<v Speaker 1>lifetime to heal. So I think there needs to be

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of study on that. And I think there's

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<v Speaker 1>hotlines that where people make reports need to be taken seriously,

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<v Speaker 1>and you need to follow up on them. And I

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<v Speaker 1>think that the more we talk about it, the less

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<v Speaker 1>likely it is another big network will form. McGuire, thank

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<v Speaker 1>you for answering my questions. Bill Clinton, I think you're

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<v Speaker 1>doing good. Just having us talk about it is important.

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<v Speaker 1>Next will be Mr. Grotham from Wisconsin. Cheryl Mills, can

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<v Speaker 1>we get a time check? Answer, you have approximately 15 minutes.

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<v Speaker 1>Approximately 15 minutes remain. Clinton, okay. Hello, sir. Hello, Mr. President.

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<v Speaker 1>Was Jeffrey Epstein on? You apparently took 26 flights on

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<v Speaker 1>planes connected to Jeffrey Epstein. Was he on every flight

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<v Speaker 1>you were on? Bill Clinton, was he on every flight

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<v Speaker 1>I was on? Question, yeah. Bill Clinton, that's a good question.

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<v Speaker 1>If you know, there's a flight manifest, but do you know?

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<v Speaker 1>Bill Clinton, there'll be a record of it, but I

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<v Speaker 1>think he was, or certainly on most of them. Question,

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<v Speaker 1>you think he was? Well, that's okay. Was Glenn Maxwell

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<v Speaker 1>on every flight you were on, as far as you remember? Clinton,

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<v Speaker 1>same answer. I think she was, but there'll be a

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<v Speaker 1>record of it. Question, okay. When you took these flights,

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<v Speaker 1>you're saying a lot of them were on behalf of

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<v Speaker 1>your foundation or your charitable work, correct? Answer, yeah. Question,

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<v Speaker 1>who did you normally bring on these flights? I assume

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<v Speaker 1>employees of the foundation, whatever. Clinton, I brought people who

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<v Speaker 1>work with me, especially people who would have to follow

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<v Speaker 1>up on the fundraising or people who were involved in

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<v Speaker 1>my AIDS work. Question, just like I never go anywhere alone,

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<v Speaker 1>you never went anywhere alone, right? Clinton, no. And I

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<v Speaker 1>had the Secret Service with me. And then on occasion,

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<v Speaker 1>I had people who had volunteered to help us and

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to see what we were doing. For example, I

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<v Speaker 1>think it was on one of these trips, I think

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<v Speaker 1>that I had my first trip for the man who's

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<v Speaker 1>now governor of Illinois, J.B. Pritzker, and his wife. They

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<v Speaker 1>helped me get started. It's all a matter of public record. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>you know what else is a matter of public record?

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<v Speaker 1>Virginia's allegation against Pritzker's relative. That's also a matter of

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<v Speaker 1>fucking record. Question, okay, so as far as your normal trips,

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<v Speaker 1>could you rattle off, say, to the four or five

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<v Speaker 1>people connected to your foundation who you remember were most

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<v Speaker 1>frequently on these trips? Or were the most important on

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<v Speaker 1>the trips? Could you give us the names? Clinton, well,

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<v Speaker 1>Doug Band, Justin Cooper, Ira Magaziner. And I can't remember

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<v Speaker 1>who else. I'll be glad to look. Question. We'll give

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<v Speaker 1>you a couple seconds to think. I can't remember who

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<v Speaker 1>worked for me 10 years ago, so I don't expect you,

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<v Speaker 1>but anybody else you can think of? Clinton. It was

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<v Speaker 1>24 years ago. I'd be glad to try and find

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<v Speaker 1>out who else was there. Question. Okay. Well, when you

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<v Speaker 1>were on the plane, first of all, what did the

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<v Speaker 1>plane look like when you got on? Can you describe

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<v Speaker 1>what it looked like? Clinton. At first, it looked like

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<v Speaker 1>a commercial airplane. Seats on both sides of the aisle.

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<v Speaker 1>and typically our crew kind of filled it up for

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<v Speaker 1>a few, however many, depending on how many people we had.

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<v Speaker 1>We had staff and friends of the foundation and people

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<v Speaker 1>who were doing the work. Question, okay, so it's like

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<v Speaker 1>a boardroom halfway back? Clinton, yeah. And then we had

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<v Speaker 1>Secret Service further back, and that was it. Question, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>and how would you spend your time on the flights?

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<v Speaker 1>When you went to Asia or Sub-Saharan Africa, those are

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<v Speaker 1>We worked a lot. Then we read a lot, and

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<v Speaker 1>we slept a lot, and we always cut out some

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<v Speaker 1>time for card games. Question, okay, I was going to

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<v Speaker 1>ask whether you do cards, and you beat me to

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<v Speaker 1>the punch. What kind of cards did you play? Bill Clinton, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>Helen Harts. Question, Harts, I was a player, so it's good.

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<v Speaker 1>You said that the Secret Service was with you every

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<v Speaker 1>time you went on these trips? Bill Clinton, every time. Question,

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<v Speaker 1>every time? Okay, good. I was never signed off of

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<v Speaker 1>Secret Service protection. Question, okay, did the Secret Service, they

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<v Speaker 1>screen all the other passengers and pilots as far as

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<v Speaker 1>you know? Clinton, they what? Question, screened them. Bill Clinton, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>they have everybody's name and background and all of that. Question, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>now I ask you about people that were connected to

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<v Speaker 1>the foundation that you brought along, but I take it

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<v Speaker 1>if they gave you an airplane and Jeffrey was on it,

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<v Speaker 1>it was his staff too, correct? Clinton, yeah, they had

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<v Speaker 1>some staff on it. Question, any of these people you remember,

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<v Speaker 1>men or women? Clinton, well, I remember Ghislaine was there

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<v Speaker 1>and there was always other people that staffed the airplane. Question, right.

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<v Speaker 1>I think one of the reasons you're successful is you

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<v Speaker 1>deal with the average guy, right? You like to talk

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<v Speaker 1>to the average guy. But remember the names of any

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<v Speaker 1>of Epstein's staffers that were serving you or that engaged

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<v Speaker 1>with banter about? Answer, well, the one we've been talking about. Question,

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<v Speaker 1>Shante Davies. Answer, yeah, Shantae. I remember her. Shantae Davies. Question, okay.

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<v Speaker 1>Anybody else you talked about? Where are you from? Clinton. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>I talked to a lot of them. One of them

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<v Speaker 1>was from Hawaii and was a military wife. Question, okay. Clinton.

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<v Speaker 1>I remember, but I don't remember their names. After 20-something years. Question,

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<v Speaker 1>was she Asian? Clinton, no. Question, okay, okay. Was there

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<v Speaker 1>any people you remember joining in? This kind of what

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<v Speaker 1>spread out over what, four or five years? Or two

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<v Speaker 1>or three years, I guess. Two years. Two years on

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<v Speaker 1>the flight. Did you ever get to the Virgin Islands

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<v Speaker 1>other than on these planes? Have you ever been to

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<v Speaker 1>the U.S. Virgin Islands in your life? Clinton, oh yes,

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<v Speaker 1>I worked. My foundation did work in the Virgin Islands.

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<v Speaker 1>Cheryl Mills, and you also vacationed there as president. Clinton, well, yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>And when I was president, Hillary and I vacationed there.

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<v Speaker 1>And we liked it very much. But when we had

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<v Speaker 1>hurricane in 2007, 17, excuse me, We went to the

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<v Speaker 1>islands and tried to help. My foundation did. And we

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<v Speaker 1>did a lot of work there. Grotham, okay, we have

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<v Speaker 1>another question. When you read about this, and obviously, these

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<v Speaker 1>files have received a lot of public attention. Recently, a

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<v Speaker 1>columnist pointed out that one of the main reasons this

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<v Speaker 1>human trafficking was allowed to exist is there were lawyers,

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<v Speaker 1>sometimes high-priced lawyers, who were able to bring, I guess particularly,

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<v Speaker 1>from Eastern Europe, Eastern European girls through here, negotiate the

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<v Speaker 1>immigration laws, and such. and particularly some very high-priced famous

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<v Speaker 1>lawyers who were hired, and apparently, I know they couldn't

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<v Speaker 1>find anything better to do when they left Washington, were

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<v Speaker 1>engaged in helping. I guess girls that some people allege

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<v Speaker 1>became prostitutes get here from Eastern Europe. Could you comment

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<v Speaker 1>on lawyers who make money bringing girls from Eastern Europe

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<v Speaker 1>or other places around the world into prostitution? Cheryl Mills, sorry,

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<v Speaker 1>just to clarify, you want him to comment on that? Question, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I want you to comment. What do you think of

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<v Speaker 1>these people? Mills, you're asking his opinion? Clinton jumps in,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't like it. Question what? Bill Clinton, I don't

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<v Speaker 1>like it, but I don't know much about it. Question,

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<v Speaker 1>would you think that, would you? Oh, I'm sorry, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>getting the hook. You know how it is, saved by

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<v Speaker 1>the bell. Well, why not finish that question? Do you

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<v Speaker 1>think if lawyers help legally or illegally people come into

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<v Speaker 1>this country for the purpose of prostitution, that they should

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<v Speaker 1>be disbarred? Bill Clinton, not unless it's illegal to do it.

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<v Speaker 1>If you pass the law, which said it was illegal

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<v Speaker 1>to provide representation, notwithstanding the constitutional right. He gets cut

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<v Speaker 1>off by Grothman. You think they're sleazy lawyers if they

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<v Speaker 1>do it? Can we get you to say that sleazy lawyers?

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<v Speaker 1>Can you say they're sleazy? Cheryl Mills, for the record,

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<v Speaker 1>we think lawyers are fantastic. Question. Thank you, Mr. President.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, folks, we're going to wrap up right here.

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