Speaker 1: About This is the seventy seven WABC Mini Cast.
Speaker 2: It's a WABC special presentation.
Speaker 1: Now here seventy seven WABC's Michael Cohen interviewing President Donald Trump.
Speaker 2: It's the President.
Speaker 1: Hello, Michael, Michael.
Speaker 2: How you doing, sir? Welcome?
Speaker 1: Welcome, country is doing good.
Speaker 2: Well, thanks thanks to you, sir. So I want to
Speaker 2: go back to twenty sixteen if we can, because you
Speaker 2: and I have obviously traveled the pretty rocky road together.
Speaker 2: You remember, do you remember, sir, when I went on
Speaker 2: CNN with Brianna Keeler and she told me that you
Speaker 2: were underwater in the polls and I responded with those
Speaker 2: famous two words, says who, which became some worldwide meme
Speaker 2: and advocate.
Speaker 1: And then they weaponized you like nobody's ever been weaponized
Speaker 1: like you have been.
Speaker 2: Well, maybe just you and I, sir, but.
Speaker 1: You yeah, me too, But I don't consider mine, you know,
Speaker 1: mine was Mine was at the level that nobody's ever
Speaker 1: seen before. But they weaponized you. They weaponized a lot
Speaker 1: of people. And I respect the fact that you recanted
Speaker 1: everything you said, and that's a big that's a big
Speaker 1: thing that you did. That's a very big thing, sir.
Speaker 2: You may remember you may remember that following morning. You
Speaker 2: called me into the office after and then you gave
Speaker 2: me one of those traditional Trump slaps on the shoulder
Speaker 2: and he said to me, f them, You're stronger than them.
Speaker 2: We've got this now. The funny thing is that CNN
Speaker 2: never apologized, they never retracted anything, and now years later, CNN,
Speaker 2: MS NOW and the other left leaning outlets they're doing
Speaker 2: the exact same thing, constantly talking about you being underwater
Speaker 2: with favorability numbers. Mister President, what do you say to
Speaker 2: these people who keep bringing up polls when you're not
Speaker 2: even running for office? Again, what's the point?
Speaker 1: And I think that we're doing really well in the polls,
Speaker 1: the real polls. If I were running today, I think
Speaker 1: I'd win by twenty five points. I think we'd win
Speaker 1: by a lot. The economy has never been stronger. We're
Speaker 1: doing numbers that nobody's ever seen before. You take a
Speaker 1: look at what's going on with Venezuela. It was a
Speaker 1: one day deal. It was actually a forty eight minute deal.
Speaker 1: It was an attack where we took a truly bad
Speaker 1: person out of the country, including the wife, out of
Speaker 1: the country and now standing trial. This was a very
Speaker 1: evil man and the country. We are involved very much
Speaker 1: with the country, taking out millions and millions of barrels
Speaker 1: of oil, and that goes right into our treasury. We've
Speaker 1: done the Venezuela was amazing, and now with Iran, they
Speaker 1: will never have a nuclear weapon. We were controlling, essentially
Speaker 1: controlling and soon controlling the Straits. We're doing very well
Speaker 1: with the RAND. The press doesn't like to say that,
Speaker 1: although a lot of the press does say it. You know,
Speaker 1: because the Navy's gone, the Air force has gone, the
Speaker 1: leadership is gone. Part of the problem is so many
Speaker 1: of the leaders are gone, it's not easy to make
Speaker 1: a deal. Nobody knows who's leading. But I think the
Speaker 1: public sees what we're doing because Iran can never have
Speaker 1: a nuclear weapon, very simple, and I think the public
Speaker 1: sees it, and I think they appreciate it and they
Speaker 1: respect it. And I tell them they'll be a little
Speaker 1: higher for your energy costs, but they'll be a little
Speaker 1: bit higher for gasoline. You know. I had it down
Speaker 1: to a dollar eighty five cents a barrel, and then
Speaker 1: I said, but we have to make a journey to
Speaker 1: the Middle East because we can't let a rent have
Speaker 1: a nuclear weapon, and that's what happened. And we've been
Speaker 1: very effective. We've wiped them out, militarily wiped out. Now
Speaker 1: they have some missiles, they have some drones. Their capacity
Speaker 1: to build them is very low right now compared to
Speaker 1: what it was five months ago. It was five months
Speaker 1: ago they were knocking them out. Now it's very hard
Speaker 1: for them to knock out anything. They're in bad shape.
Speaker 1: They have inflation that's three hundred percent. Their currency is valueless,
Speaker 1: you know, it's virtually valuable. The military is not being paid,
Speaker 1: so they're advadhat. But uh, the key to the reason,
Speaker 1: I did it, and we had no choice, and I
Speaker 1: would have done it again a hundred times. And they
Speaker 1: cannot have a nuclear weapon, and they won't be having
Speaker 1: a nuclear weapon, And.
Speaker 2: Why not just then turn around and tell the American people,
Speaker 2: you know, the one thing that you may you may
Speaker 2: feel some frustration going on right now economically the price
Speaker 2: of gas and so on, But why not just turn
Speaker 2: around and say to the American people, you know what
Speaker 2: you get to do. You get to go to sleep
Speaker 2: at night with knowledge that there will be no intercontinental
Speaker 2: ballistic nuclear missile being fired towards the United States, Because
Speaker 2: if they had it with their theocracy, sir, you know
Speaker 2: exactly what they would be doing right now.
Speaker 1: So I do tell that the press doesn't get it out,
Speaker 1: and I say it often. I said it the other
Speaker 1: day at a big rally I had with the police
Speaker 1: out on I saw it Long Island. And we have
Speaker 1: these unbelievable rallies or rallies are potentially bigger than ever.
Speaker 1: I mean, if we did rallies as an example, if
Speaker 1: we did rallies now, nobody ever had rallies like this,
Speaker 1: their potential. I think they're bigger than ever. There's a
Speaker 1: great spirit for what's going on, especially in light of
Speaker 1: what's happening with all these crazy theories and policies and
Speaker 1: lunatics that are running. You have lunatics. They would destroy
Speaker 1: the country, and they're being put in the Democrat Party.
Speaker 1: I think they'll be wiped out in the election because
Speaker 1: the people are too smart to allow that to happen.
Speaker 1: It's never worked in a thousand years. That stuff has
Speaker 1: never worked and it's not going to work now. But
Speaker 1: they're not even smart people, you know, you watch some
Speaker 1: of them. Half of them can't even speak properly. So
Speaker 1: I think we're doing very well. We are letting people
Speaker 1: know about that. We're letting people know that. You know,
Speaker 1: it's wonderful to say everything's good, but you can't if
Speaker 1: you had a country like that, and they're crazy. If
Speaker 1: you had a country like that, they would absolutely use
Speaker 1: the nuclear weapon without question. And so I stopped that,
Speaker 1: and I stopped at cod with the B two bombers.
Speaker 1: I also stopped at the jcpoay that was the Obama deal.
Speaker 1: There was such a disaster that he made years ago.
Speaker 1: Had that deal, had I not terminated that deal, a
Speaker 1: rand would have a nuclear weapon and they would have
Speaker 1: used it very quickly. They would have wiped out Israel.
Speaker 1: They would have wiped out the Middle East. And you
Speaker 1: saw that because when this thing started, surprisingly to everybody,
Speaker 1: they started shooting missiles at sort of semi neutral country.
Speaker 1: They were going after Saudi Arabia, guitar, they were going
Speaker 1: after UAE, Kuwait, Bahrain, and nobody really knew they were
Speaker 1: so involved, and they started hitting everybody. If they had
Speaker 1: a nuclear weapon, they would have used it on everybody.
Speaker 1: And look, there would be no Israel if there was
Speaker 1: not a Donald Trump president.
Speaker 2: I think there'd be no Saudi Arabia either.
Speaker 1: Right now, I believe the Middle East would have been
Speaker 1: entirely wiped out. But Israel definitely would have been wiped out.
Speaker 1: There's no question there would be. They tell me that
Speaker 1: there would be no Israel if there was no Donald Trump.
Speaker 2: You know what surprised me was, how did they end
Speaker 2: up with a thousand pounds of sixty percent enriched uranium
Speaker 2: when allegedly, whether it was under Biden, whether it's under Obama,
Speaker 2: whether it was on every president by how did they
Speaker 2: end up with literally one thousand pounds of nuclear grade,
Speaker 2: well a soon to be made nuclear grade enriched uranium.
Speaker 1: So when we hit them with the B two bombers,
Speaker 1: which was an amazing attack, amazing deep into the night
Speaker 1: with no moon, with no light, no nothing, and every
Speaker 1: bomb hit its mark and wiped their whole nuclear thing
Speaker 1: out and it was in fact obliterated. But when we
Speaker 1: did that, people had no idea what to expect, no idea.
Speaker 1: You know, you're going in there, You're going into a
Speaker 1: very very dangerous place where these incredible machines and the
Speaker 1: job they did, the job those machines and those pilots
Speaker 1: did was really amazing. But Obama allowed that to happen.
Speaker 1: Biden allowed that to happen. Other presents allowed that to happen.
Speaker 1: This should have been done. This has been going on
Speaker 1: for fifty years, and this should have been you know,
Speaker 1: it's been forty seven, but we talk about it for
Speaker 1: three or four years. It's actually the number is fifty
Speaker 1: one years, but we say forty seven because that seems
Speaker 1: to be the standard number that everyone uses. But this
Speaker 1: was going on for fifty actually fifty one years now,
Speaker 1: and it should have been taken care of by other
Speaker 1: presidents or other countries, and it wasn't. And Iran became
Speaker 1: the bully of the Middle East. They were bullying everybody around.
Speaker 1: They were the boss, and bad things were happening, and
Speaker 1: they would have absolutely taken out Israel, and they would
Speaker 1: have absolutely taken out the Middle East. I guess they
Speaker 1: would have shot at us too. But had they had
Speaker 1: nuclear weapons, if they had that capacity, it would have
Speaker 1: been different. Now, when we hit them with the B
Speaker 1: two bombers, they were exactly two weeks away from having
Speaker 1: a new nuclear weapon. And that's why I had to
Speaker 1: do it, because you cannot let them have that kind
Speaker 1: of a weapon.
Speaker 2: But you know, mister President, that's that's a time period
Speaker 2: that most people are completely unaware of that. It was
Speaker 2: the imminence was there.
Speaker 1: Well, they knew it, but they forget it. You know.
Speaker 1: The one thing in politics, like the border. When I
Speaker 1: came in the border, they were allowed twenty five million people,
Speaker 1: many of them criminals, many of them murderers, many of
Speaker 1: them people from mental institutions, drug dealers. They were pouring
Speaker 1: into our country totally unchecked and unvetted. I solved the
Speaker 1: problem in thirty days, and solved it beautifully in sixty
Speaker 1: and at the end of ninety days, nobody comes in.
Speaker 1: In fact, we have now as you know, because they
Speaker 1: issue reports and they're not issued by me. In the
Speaker 1: last sixteen months, zero people came in through our are horrible.
Speaker 1: What was horrible southern border where it was just an
Speaker 1: open sieve, it was an open wound, and zero people
Speaker 1: came in. So what happens, though, is people forgot about that.
Speaker 1: They forgot we had a border problem we had. I
Speaker 1: got elected partially of the border. Yeah, by the way,
Speaker 1: that happened to times. When I ran in twenty sixteen,
Speaker 1: I got elected on the border was bad, but it
Speaker 1: was never bad like this. This was crazy Where Kamala
Speaker 1: was the borders are, and she never spoke to the
Speaker 1: border patrols. She never went there. She was the border.
Speaker 1: She knew less about the border than a child would know.
Speaker 1: So I solved the border problem and nobody even talks
Speaker 1: about it. I did things that, you know, because in politics,
Speaker 1: I've found it's got a two week week life. A
Speaker 1: victory has a two week life. You solve a problem
Speaker 1: that was, according to most insolvable, and I did it
Speaker 1: literally in thirty days. But I solved the problem early on.
Speaker 1: And beautifully, we have a great border right now. I mean,
Speaker 1: people come into our country, but they have to come
Speaker 1: I legally, and they do come in legally, but nobody
Speaker 1: comes to our southern border. Nobody not. I mean literally,
Speaker 1: it's hard to believe. Actually twenty five million people can,
Speaker 1: including murderers, and believe, so many others, into our country
Speaker 1: and we get them out and we're getting them out.
Speaker 1: But they came into our country, and I solved it.
Speaker 1: I solved the problem. And when I want to talk
Speaker 1: about it, experts, you know, the so called experts, if
Speaker 1: there's such a thing, they say, sir, nobody cares about
Speaker 1: the border. You solved the problem. They forgot. They don't
Speaker 1: talk about it. So when you remind people, they say, wow,
Speaker 1: you know, the boarder was a real problem. It was
Speaker 1: probably the biggest thing talked about during the election, and
Speaker 1: I solved it quickly and effectively. And everybody had missed that,
Speaker 1: including the Democrats. I watched the Democrats now apologizing. They're
Speaker 1: saying we should have done that. But you know, there's
Speaker 1: a two week life to things, and it's a shame.
Speaker 1: But when people hear it and all of the things
Speaker 1: that we've done, we have more money being invested in
Speaker 1: the United States right now than at any time in
Speaker 1: the history of our country by a factory of five.
Speaker 1: We're building more factories, plants, we are building factories for cars,
Speaker 1: are moving in from as you know, the factories from
Speaker 1: Canada where they left for Canada, they left for Mexico,
Speaker 1: they left for Germany, Japan, South Korea. They're all coming back.
Speaker 1: Toyota just announced, Honda just announced billions and billions of
Speaker 1: dollars that are all pouring back. They're coming in. A
Speaker 1: lot of them are coming in from Mexico. People don't
Speaker 1: like to write that they're coming in because of tariffs.
Speaker 1: We've made a fortune with tariffs, a fortune.
Speaker 2: So you know, maybe mister President making a fortune.
Speaker 1: Michael, it's brought people in because companies are coming in
Speaker 1: because they don't want to make a car in Germany
Speaker 1: or in Mexico and have to pay a twenty five
Speaker 1: percent tariff because it doesn't work for them. So rather
Speaker 1: than paying the twenty five percent tariff is very simple.
Speaker 1: Some people still don't understand it, but they're all building
Speaker 1: and in the next year and a half you're going
Speaker 1: to see buildings open, and you already see it in
Speaker 1: the construction numbers. The construction jobs in this country are
Speaker 1: through the roof, and that's because of all the plants
Speaker 1: and factories being built all over our country. There's never
Speaker 1: been it's a renaissance. There's never been anything like it.
Speaker 2: So maybe what we should do is then how a
Speaker 2: press conference and literally put out all of the accomplishments,
Speaker 2: because what's happening is boss. You remember when I was
Speaker 2: by your side, I literally used to analyze the polls right,
Speaker 2: and remember how much attention that I used to pay
Speaker 2: to that methodology. I would come in, I would say
Speaker 2: to you, oh, you know that claiming that you're thirty
Speaker 2: one percent, that you're underwater, But I showed you that.
Speaker 1: The super crookt the polls are exactly well. The reporters,
Speaker 1: as you know, a crooked, but many of them. You
Speaker 1: have some great ones too. But for the most part,
Speaker 1: it's it's really just an example size roughly, when you
Speaker 1: read the New York Times, it's so dishonest when you
Speaker 1: read these things and they're not doing well. Look, the
Speaker 1: reason they're not doing well is because they've lost a
Speaker 1: lot of credibility. Now you do have great journalists, you
Speaker 1: do have great reporters. Also, many people are very good,
Speaker 1: very very good. I could name them, but by naming
Speaker 1: them I leave some out. But you also have a
Speaker 1: lot of people that see how good things are, see
Speaker 1: how good things are with The economy is a renaissance.
Speaker 1: There's never been anything like it. We had the greatest
Speaker 1: economy ever in my first term. This is gonna blow
Speaker 1: it away. This is just gonna blow it away. And
Speaker 1: when these factories and plants and everything else have finished.
Speaker 1: But already, if you look at the jobs we're bringing
Speaker 1: in Chips and Jocca, we had no chips nothing, We're zero.
Speaker 1: They got stolen from us and they were brought to Taiwan.
Speaker 1: Those companies are now all coming back. We're building the
Speaker 1: biggest chip plants in the world right now, mostly in Arizona,
Speaker 1: and we're gonna have chips. We're not gonna have to
Speaker 1: import chips anymore. It's amazing what's happening. Medicine is coming back.
Speaker 1: You know, we learned that from COVID because we didn't
Speaker 1: make medicine. We literally had to rely on Ireland and
Speaker 1: China and other places for the medical and the medicine.
Speaker 1: And they're all coming back. Eli Lilly's building six major plants,
Speaker 1: Merk is building, They're all building Pfizer. They're building massive
Speaker 1: amounts of medical for pharmaceuticals and drugs of all kinds.
Speaker 1: And it's amazing, including medical eq whipment, the medical equipment
Speaker 1: businesses through the room because if they don't come back,
Speaker 1: they have to pay big tariffship or make it in
Speaker 1: Germany or other places, so they're building it here. It's
Speaker 1: what's happening now is a miracle. I hope it gets
Speaker 1: properly reported so.
Speaker 2: Well you know that it won't. And when they have
Speaker 2: these sample sizes of fifteen hundred people, sir, why do
Speaker 2: you think that the media keeps pushing these poles, these
Speaker 2: terrible polems, and what do you think that they're actually
Speaker 2: trying to accomplish by constantly telling the American people that
Speaker 2: your numbers are under water.
Speaker 1: Well, they're trying to take spirit away from people. But
Speaker 1: the people know, and I have poles, and the poles
Speaker 1: are great. If I ran right now, everybody, I beat
Speaker 1: everybody by many points, many many points. Now the law
Speaker 1: precludes me from doing it, unfortunately, but the you know
Speaker 1: it's too bad because I frankly I would love to
Speaker 1: do it, but the law precludes me from doing it.
Speaker 1: But if I ran right now. But what I am
Speaker 1: doing is I'm helping some very good candidates get elected.
Speaker 1: And the endorsement is second to none in history. It's
Speaker 1: second to none. We've had a great period of years
Speaker 1: now where I endorse a candidate, even in foreign countries.
Speaker 1: I endorsed a man running in Columbia, Lt. Gray, and
Speaker 1: he ended up winning. He was tenth in line and
Speaker 1: he ended up winning. Argentina kept him going so many countries,
Speaker 1: I mean, fifteen, sixteen, seventeen countries. But frankly, more importantly,
Speaker 1: when I endorse somebody running for the Senate, when I
Speaker 1: endorse somebody running for Congress, almost always they win almost always,
Speaker 1: even if they have a huge deficit. And I pick
Speaker 1: a lot of people that are not incumbents. I mean
Speaker 1: I pick people that a lot of people never heard of,
Speaker 1: and they win. So it's it's been quite amazing, and
Speaker 1: it's something that we have to that I consider it
Speaker 1: to be extremely important, and I have to be very
Speaker 1: judicious to be honest.
Speaker 2: Well in old fantasy. When you say it's important, you, sir,
Speaker 2: have actually withstood possibly the most egregious weaponization of any
Speaker 2: politician in history. I probably would do the most egregious
Speaker 2: weaponization as a citizen. I mean, with all of the
Speaker 2: cases that were brought against you. Here's the thing that
Speaker 2: people don't know. I of course know because I was
Speaker 2: there with you. You successfully fight them. You don't care.
Speaker 2: You will fight them tooth and nail to the very end.
Speaker 2: While and all of this while you were still campaigning
Speaker 2: to be president forty seven, I want to ask you,
Speaker 2: because I know how tough it was for me, what
Speaker 2: was the toughest moment for you during that time period?
Speaker 2: And actually did you think that you were not only
Speaker 2: fighting for your political life, but for your freedom as well?
Speaker 1: Well? I never think about tough. I think about just
Speaker 1: getting it done. But I had we had crooket politicians.
Speaker 1: You knew that maybe better than anybody. Look, you took back,
Speaker 1: You recanted your testimony. They forced you to do that.
Speaker 1: They threatened you with jail, They threatened you with everything.
Speaker 1: If you didn't go against Trump and you took it back.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't even be talking to you right now if
Speaker 1: you didn't. To be honest, I mean, you did something
Speaker 1: that very few people have done, and some have to
Speaker 1: be honest. They you know, they saw what went on.
Speaker 1: They weaponized government. They went after you. I remember when
Speaker 1: they attacked your office on a Saturday morning, like at
Speaker 1: six or five point thirty in the morning, and they
Speaker 1: the FBI went into your office. That they raided your office.
Speaker 1: It was disgraceful.
Speaker 2: My home, the hotel or the law office.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they did that, and they you know, it's a
Speaker 1: lot of people wouldn't have been able to take it.
Speaker 1: You took it for a while, in all fairness. Then
Speaker 1: they broke you down. But you you came back. Look
Speaker 1: Tiss James and Alvin Bragg, what they did to you,
Speaker 1: and they used you, and what you did was was
Speaker 1: actually a brave thing because you said what they did
Speaker 1: was wrong. You agreed that your testimony. They forced you
Speaker 1: to say things that you didn't want to say. They
Speaker 1: forced you to say things that were false because they
Speaker 1: have a threat with jail and every other thing. Probably
Speaker 1: I don't know, I've never spoke to you about that,
Speaker 1: but probably the worst things that you can imagine. They
Speaker 1: weaponized government against you and against others, Michael, there were
Speaker 1: plenty of others too, And it's a disgrace. And I
Speaker 1: think it's so amazing that you came out and you
Speaker 1: you told the story, and people respect you for doing it.
Speaker 2: Well, some people do, and other people truly hate me.
Speaker 1: With the PA weren't Michael. They made you say things
Speaker 1: that weren't true, with the threat of jail hanging over
Speaker 1: your head and everything else, And you don't think people
Speaker 1: respect it. They do respect it. They respect that you
Speaker 1: were able to do that, that you were able to,
Speaker 1: you know, say the truth because we have to. Well,
Speaker 1: we're going to lose our country the Biden administration. And
Speaker 1: I don't know, I was Biden was never smart thirty
Speaker 1: years ago. He wasn't smart, but he certainly wasn't smart
Speaker 1: in the last few years. And so I don't know
Speaker 1: but he was surrounded around that beautiful, that beautiful Oval office.
Speaker 1: He was surrounded the resolute desk. He was surrounded by
Speaker 1: vicious crazy people high IQ you know, many low IQ's,
Speaker 1: but high IQ people that are nuts, I mean, radical
Speaker 1: left crazy people. And they weaponized government. You know, I
Speaker 1: get a kick out of every time they see not
Speaker 1: necessarily a kick, but I get a kick out of everything.
Speaker 1: Every time I see they say, oh, Trump is weaponis is?
Speaker 1: They weaponized government more than any administration in history by far,
Speaker 1: think of it. I got impeached twice and I did
Speaker 1: absolutely And remember the perfect phone call. I made a
Speaker 1: phone call that was perfect. You know, they impeached me.
Speaker 1: And then they found out that the call was recorded.
Speaker 1: It was they actually had marine scenographers, but they essentially
Speaker 1: it was recorded. And when they or the call, Nancy
Speaker 1: Pelosi said, oh my god, we impeach the guy. We
Speaker 1: can't impeach him after this. And then they said, but
Speaker 1: let's keep going, just let's keep it. In other words,
Speaker 1: when they found out what they impeached before, when it
Speaker 1: was given and shown it was recorded, yes, they went crazy.
Speaker 2: Don't you remember they did angry. They did from the beginning.
Speaker 2: They did that just from the beginning.
Speaker 1: People that did it. Michael, she got she said, you
Speaker 1: got us into a miss anyway, and I beat it.
Speaker 1: The Republican Party was unanimous, one hundred bers. Will you
Speaker 1: hear that before? But the republic was and we and
Speaker 1: we beat it. I beat it twice. But think of it.
Speaker 1: I got him, I got impeached twice. That's weaponized. I
Speaker 1: got indicted, I won everything. It was a beautiful thing.
Speaker 1: But I went through hell. But I got treated like
Speaker 1: nobody no president has ever been treated. And I must
Speaker 1: say it's much more pleasant now than it was in
Speaker 1: the first term.
Speaker 2: We're also a different president today. I mean, let's go
Speaker 2: back to the very beginning. The stupid Steele dossier, that
Speaker 2: fake nonsense. How about the Russia hoax? Also the fake
Speaker 2: they came after me with with steel bats and you know,
Speaker 2: and grenades. It was unbelievable. Do you remember that time
Speaker 2: you called me boss into the office. I was home
Speaker 2: and you said, you know, have you ever been to
Speaker 2: Progress said, sir, I don't even know what Prague is.
Speaker 2: And he's I guess you're doing.
Speaker 1: I'm like, I know it's in Prague.
Speaker 2: I've never been there.
Speaker 1: The man named Michael Cone was in Prague, and by
Speaker 1: being in Prague, I guess that was a bad thing
Speaker 1: because there was somebody in Prague and they said you
Speaker 1: were there, and it turned out in fact, I asked
Speaker 1: you to go back and get your passport. I wanted
Speaker 1: to see it. I said, you never went to Prague.
Speaker 1: It was a big story at the time. They had
Speaker 1: Michael Cone and either it was another Michael Cohne or
Speaker 1: the person didn't exist.
Speaker 2: It did not exist, really exist. Yeah, yeah, he did not, Sir.
Speaker 2: I want to ask you a question that I think
Speaker 2: is even more personal between the two of us. Why
Speaker 2: are people so viscerally angry that you and I have
Speaker 2: reconciled differences working to restore a fifteen year plus friendship.
Speaker 2: Why is it to these people that forgiveness seems to
Speaker 2: upset them so much.
Speaker 1: Because you did something that most people don't have the
Speaker 1: guts to do. You told stories in order to get
Speaker 1: out of trouble, and you thought about it and you
Speaker 1: recanted your testimony, and most people don't have the guts
Speaker 1: to do that, and by recanting, you hurt them. And frankly,
Speaker 1: you will get to the President of the United States
Speaker 1: and to the country because you told the truth. They
Speaker 1: forced you to say that. I mean Alvin Bragg and
Speaker 1: Leticia James, two crooked people. They forced you to do that.
Speaker 1: I remember when it was happening. I said, you know,
Speaker 1: I don't know if somebody like Michael is going to
Speaker 1: be able to hold out. They forced you to do it.
Speaker 1: It's happened before over the years, many times, probably you know,
Speaker 1: many different things out in the wild West that happened.
Speaker 1: But this was the United States of American and I
Speaker 1: watched it happen, and Michael, you and I know people
Speaker 1: where it happened with others. Also, the level of weaponization
Speaker 1: in this country was disgusting. So when you went and
Speaker 1: told the truth the people that were on the left,
Speaker 1: the radical left, lunatics, same people we have out there now,
Speaker 1: it drove them crazy. Yeah, it drove them.
Speaker 2: You know. And I tried them crazy too, because so
Speaker 2: many of them, their profile pictures are of a cross,
Speaker 2: and they claim to be these devout Christians and so on.
Speaker 2: And I always write to them, Remember Colossians, right, bear
Speaker 2: with each other and forgive one another. If any of
Speaker 2: you has a grievance against someone, forgive us. The Lord
Speaker 2: forgave you that bothers them even more than if I
Speaker 2: turn around and I say, you know, you know, go scratch.
Speaker 1: Well, you're going to go down as a man with courage,
Speaker 1: and frankly, you weren't there when you did the other
Speaker 1: but you're going to go down as a man of courage,
Speaker 1: great courage, because you did something that a lot of
Speaker 1: people wouldn't have the guts to do. But that's why
Speaker 1: they hate you, Because they basically hate you because you
Speaker 1: told the truth. Ultimately, you told the truth, and that
Speaker 1: was not good for their narrative. These are vicious people,
Speaker 1: and what they've done to our country's bad. And now
Speaker 1: they're on the other side of it. And we're not weaponized.
Speaker 1: We don't weaponize. But but they've broken so many laws.
Speaker 1: They've broken so many laws. The lying they've done to Congress.
Speaker 1: I mean, look at the lying where they made such
Speaker 1: lies to Congress and so many other things. It's it's
Speaker 1: it's a very very amazing thing that you did. And
Speaker 1: I think other people are going to be doing it also, well,
Speaker 1: I hope, I certainly seek other people see what you've
Speaker 1: done and they learn by example. But you know, it's
Speaker 1: like people greatly respect and I guarantee your family greatly
Speaker 1: respects what you did. Well.
Speaker 2: You know, I want to say, I want to say
Speaker 2: this to you in finality because I know you've country
Speaker 2: to run, and I'm gonna sort of leave you alone here.
Speaker 2: But you know, when we were together, because these you're
Speaker 2: not wrong, these crazy leftists, they're out of their minds.
Speaker 2: Literally when you and I, sir, were together, and I remember, Boss,
Speaker 2: when you used to say to Keith and to me
Speaker 2: that you're concern or concern was that somebody like what
Speaker 2: they did to Bill Gates, Remember that they threw something
Speaker 2: in him, a cupcake or tomato, whatever it was. But sir,
Speaker 2: we've gone way past that these days, I mean, people
Speaker 2: aren't throwing food at you anymore. These these people are
Speaker 2: shooting at you, and you know it upset me terribly.
Speaker 2: I reached out to a handful, even at that point
Speaker 2: in time we really weren't on speaking terms, and I said, please,
Speaker 2: you know, tell them to please be safe. You're the
Speaker 2: president of the United States. One of them two at ten, three,
Speaker 2: four attems even what's going on with this stupidity on
Speaker 2: the airplane and moving you out and so on. I'm
Speaker 2: so nauseated by them. There is a huge difference between
Speaker 2: vehemently disagreeing with a policy and then trying to literally
Speaker 2: assassinate the president of the United States.
Speaker 1: You're the one thing I would say to that that
Speaker 1: and if you read only consequential president's shot, well, they
Speaker 1: only go.
Speaker 2: After content, and do me a favorite. Please don't be consequential.
Speaker 2: How's that?
Speaker 1: I know, maybe I have to become less consequent, right,
Speaker 1: But if you look at it, you know, you look
Speaker 1: at the names a lot of people, it's pretty high
Speaker 1: up there. It's a dangerous job. I understand that, but
Speaker 1: we're careful. We have a great people around me. And
Speaker 1: obviously it's gotten much much tougher over the years. But
Speaker 1: it is true consequential. You look at the people that
Speaker 1: were shot, you look at the people that even the attempts.
Speaker 1: But non consequential presidents are much nicer life. You could
Speaker 1: see that with some of our recent presidents. But nothing,
Speaker 1: nothing was even ever even thought about. So I appreciate
Speaker 1: what well.
Speaker 2: Can I ask you just one last thing on that,
Speaker 2: who do you think bears the greatest responsibility for creating
Speaker 2: this violent rhetoric? Do you think it's the far left,
Speaker 2: the radical far left? You think it's DSA.
Speaker 1: The fact that I got elected drove people crazy because
Speaker 1: my whole thing is free enterprise. It's go out and
Speaker 1: make our country rich like we're doing. A country is
Speaker 1: a country has never been in this position. I mean,
Speaker 1: we've never had anything like it. With this a renaissance.
Speaker 1: We're bringing back to the medical business, We're bringing back
Speaker 1: the automobile business. We're leading China in AI by a lot.
Speaker 1: You know, we wouldn't lead anybody. I mean, I'm letting
Speaker 1: them build their own power plants. You know, they're not
Speaker 1: taking these AI plants, which are very big. They're not
Speaker 1: taking the power from the grid because the grid doesn't
Speaker 1: have the power. It's old, tired. We're taking the power.
Speaker 1: They're making their own power plants. They're building the most
Speaker 1: beautiful you've never seen power plants, like as people that
Speaker 1: have made power for forty years are saying, we've never
Speaker 1: seen anything like it. These big buildings that are open,
Speaker 1: they're making their own power. They're not making it. And communities, frankly,
Speaker 1: communities that don't take a data center, they're making a
Speaker 1: mistake because there's plenty of communities that want them because
Speaker 1: it means jobs, and it means tremendous tax revenue coming
Speaker 1: into the towns and cities that take them. So you know,
Speaker 1: it's like the smart ones are saying, I want them
Speaker 1: so badly, But and you put guards up, you put
Speaker 1: the guardrails up. But these data centers throw off tremendous
Speaker 1: amounts of jobs and money, and.
Speaker 2: Yet we don't hear all the positives. All we keep
Speaker 2: getting is the negatives. Oh, the reflection pool, Oh you
Speaker 2: know the ballroom, Oh you know the well.
Speaker 1: These things are all great things in the country. I'm
Speaker 1: fixing the White House. It hasn't been properly faking. You
Speaker 1: have to see the outside of it was literally pieces
Speaker 1: of stone were pouring off the building. It was so well.
Speaker 2: I can't wait to come see you there. I want
Speaker 2: to see the ballroom. I want to see all the
Speaker 2: the improvements that have been made. You know, I remember
Speaker 2: what it looked like before.
Speaker 1: You know, you're talking about peanuts compared to what we're
Speaker 1: doing in the large scale. But fixing the White House
Speaker 1: hasn't been so It's built in seventeen ninety two. The
Speaker 1: exterior of the building is in such bad shape. And
Speaker 1: now it's beautiful. Now it's beautiful. It's been totally fixed.
Speaker 1: Rejointed stones were literally falling off the building, big holes
Speaker 1: in things, hooks that were put up one hundred years
Speaker 1: ago that were rotting and rustling. That nobody ever did anything.
Speaker 1: It just it was in very bad shape. And now
Speaker 1: it's flawless. It's beautiful, and we're I'm talking about a
Speaker 1: lot of money, you're talking about peanuts. But it's a symbol.
Speaker 1: We have to do that. For years, they've wanted for
Speaker 1: one hundred and fifty years, they've wanted a ballroom. But
Speaker 1: more importantly, perhaps it's a part of it is a
Speaker 1: military complex. It's a drone port, bombshelters, it's got everything,
Speaker 1: and I would say most of it is a military complex,
Speaker 1: but the ballroom is still needed, especially when you see
Speaker 1: all the things that are happening in the world. It's
Speaker 1: not just us, it's all over the world. It's become
Speaker 1: it's a violent world. And when you're in that room,
Speaker 1: you're safe. It's drone proof, it's bulletproof, it's got facilities.
Speaker 1: You know, when you saw that disaster that took place
Speaker 1: with the event with the White House Correspondence Center, that
Speaker 1: could never happen here. You know, it could never happen here.
Speaker 1: So it's very important that it would be done. But
Speaker 1: they've been wanting, they've been calling for a room. You know,
Speaker 1: the East Room was a little room holds eighty nine people.
Speaker 1: And when President she comes in a couple of weeks,
Speaker 1: we'll be using the East Room. But I would have
Speaker 1: two or three thousand people. Everybody wants to be there
Speaker 1: for presidency. They all want to meet them, you know,
Speaker 1: like them or not, they want to meet them. Everybody
Speaker 1: wants to be there. Only a few people can be
Speaker 1: there because we have never had you know, in China
Speaker 1: they have a thing called the Great Hall of China.
Speaker 1: You want to see they have the Great Hall of China.
Speaker 1: We have eighty nine seats at a table. We have
Speaker 1: eighty nine people, and if you really make it tight,
Speaker 1: you'll get a hundred. So it's something that's been needed
Speaker 1: for one hundred and fifty years. And I'm, as you know,
Speaker 1: better than anybody, have very good at buildings. Yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: the best at building. Well, it's certainly something that I
Speaker 1: think it'll be the most beautiful ballroom in the world.
Speaker 1: But more importantly, it's a military complex too that the
Speaker 1: White House has wanted to build for fifty sixty years,
Speaker 1: the helipad is also being built. You know, the helicopters
Speaker 1: would land on the grass, which is dangerous and bad,
Speaker 1: and they had guys standing out there and they put
Speaker 1: little pieces of steel down so the helicopter's wheels can
Speaker 1: land on the steel and if they missed, it was
Speaker 1: very bad because it'd sink into the ground, and that's bad.
Speaker 1: You know, bad things going to happen. And I put
Speaker 1: up a heliport and it's beautiful. It's been you know,
Speaker 1: really people really respected the military was asking, I mean,
Speaker 1: would you do that? Would that be possible? And they
Speaker 1: did it. It'll be beautiful and it's going to open
Speaker 1: very shortly. So a helicopter now could actually land on
Speaker 1: a helipad as opposed to trying to hit the steel
Speaker 1: tablets that they put they call them tablets, little steel
Speaker 1: tablets that are a little bit larger than the wheels. Now,
Speaker 1: the good news is the pilots are the best in
Speaker 1: the world, so they really don't have much of a problem.
Speaker 1: Those pilots that do they call it Marine one. They're
Speaker 1: the best in the world. But they've wanted a helipad.
Speaker 1: I said, let's do the helipad. So every two hundred years,
Speaker 1: somebody's going to come along. That's a real estate guy,
Speaker 1: and I did that. I probably do that stuff better
Speaker 1: than anybody, and maybe better than anything I do. I
Speaker 1: don't know, maybe I do it better than anything I do.
Speaker 1: But now the White House skin is all redone and beautiful.
Speaker 2: I wonder whether or not future presidents are going to
Speaker 2: thank you. I wonder if the American people down the road,
Speaker 2: because you know, nobody ever thanks you today. Today they
Speaker 2: want to attack you, but yet tomorrow they're going to
Speaker 2: be like, you know what, that actually was a pretty
Speaker 2: good idea that you know, building that bunker underneath the ballroom.
Speaker 2: Were building a large ballroom so that many many people
Speaker 2: can come and to go to one of these state
Speaker 2: dinners and so on, or to have the Washington Correspondence
Speaker 2: dinner and say many sometime down the road, that's usually
Speaker 2: what happens. It's usually after the presidency is over.
Speaker 1: Well, you know, I think they will actually, and I
Speaker 1: think they're already starting. We got some very good press yesterday.
Speaker 1: I went out there and I gave a little news
Speaker 1: conference and showed what we're doing. I also showed how
Speaker 1: we've skinned the it's called skinning. The White House made
Speaker 1: it beautiful ticket all the all the stuff that was falling.
Speaker 1: I mean literally the plaster they have, you know, they
Speaker 1: have exterior coats of plaster, different forms of mortar, all
Speaker 1: different types, all different years. It was a mess. It
Speaker 1: was when you looked up at the wall. If you
Speaker 1: were like somebody like me, I'd say, man, is that
Speaker 1: wall in bad shape? And now it's absolutely flawless. When
Speaker 1: you'll see it. When you see it, and it's going
Speaker 1: to be uh, you know, it's already being talked about.
Speaker 1: I think they're gonna appreciate it. I think they'll really
Speaker 1: appreciate the blow them again they've been you know. The
Speaker 1: only thing is in years to come to us, she
Speaker 1: built it bigger. Okay, that's going to be.
Speaker 2: It's kind of big.
Speaker 1: It's kind of they'll say, I wish you built it bigger.
Speaker 1: So anyway, but it's it's going to be the most
Speaker 1: beautiful anywhere in the world. But when you look at
Speaker 1: the Great Hall of China, this thing is unbelievable. We're
Speaker 1: going to top it. You know, this is going to
Speaker 1: top it, and it's going to be something really special.
Speaker 1: And I wish we could have it a little bit sooner,
Speaker 1: because you know, Michael, a lot of people don't realize
Speaker 1: it's the people that do. They say, well, you know,
Speaker 1: you should say that a little bit more. But yes,
Speaker 1: you should be using it a few months.
Speaker 2: No, yes you should. They should be talking about it
Speaker 2: all the time, and and put an end to the
Speaker 2: to the attacks, the ongoing consistent attacks against every single
Speaker 2: thing that you do, including including this anti weaponization fund.
Speaker 2: I mean, this is not supposed to be at the
Speaker 2: top of the agenda. You had a lawsuit, the lawsuit
Speaker 2: was settled. What about people like me who were weaponized
Speaker 2: against right, I haven't sent.
Speaker 1: A lot of people and a lot talking about I'm
Speaker 1: not talking about just Jasex. I'm talking about people were weaponized,
Speaker 1: mostly in the Obama and the Biden administration, that have
Speaker 1: been treated so unfairly, so unfairly. And you know, frankly,
Speaker 1: I think the Weaponization Fund was extremely extremely popular if
Speaker 1: you want to, because they know that what happened to people.
Speaker 1: But anyway, we h I will always be fighting for
Speaker 1: those people that got I mean, we had many suicides.
Speaker 1: People committed suicide over this, over this, over the way
Speaker 1: they were treated by the Biden administration and Obama too.
Speaker 1: Obama administration also, but the Biden administration was nasty, and
Speaker 1: I don't think it was him because I don't think
Speaker 1: he was smart enough to know what the hell was happening,
Speaker 1: to be honest with you. But he has He had
Speaker 1: very vicious people that I know. They work now at Microsoft,
Speaker 1: they work now at other companies, and it's a disgrace.
Speaker 1: They have good jobs they have. There were on CNN,
Speaker 1: some of these FBI slobs that left. They go to
Speaker 1: CNN and the commentators at CNN making money, and they
Speaker 1: were crooked as hell. They were dirty cops. They were
Speaker 1: dirty cups.
Speaker 2: But we're doing well.
Speaker 1: I can just say that I appreciate and a lot
Speaker 1: of people appreciate what you did by really deciding to
Speaker 1: go out and tell the truth and what people. People
Speaker 1: respect that greatly. Michael Well, Sir, I look for why
Speaker 1: a certain a certain element, it's a sick element, it's
Speaker 1: a radical left element, but it's Uh. They could be
Speaker 1: upset with you, but there's a lot of people of
Speaker 1: vast majority of people don't forget uh. In terms of
Speaker 1: you know, ideology. I won the popular vote by a lot.
Speaker 1: We won seven out of seven Swing States. We won
Speaker 1: eighty six percent of the counties in the country. Think
Speaker 1: of that. You know, the electoral college obvious, I won
Speaker 1: by a lot. So you know, there's a big group
Speaker 1: of people that respect what you did.
Speaker 2: They should be reading my sub stact. Mister President, I
Speaker 2: thank you for joining me on when you know you know,
Speaker 2: more importantly, I look forward to seeing you very soon.
Speaker 2: I want to definitely take a look at that ballroom,
Speaker 2: you know, I want to give it the Michael Seal
Speaker 2: of approval as well the old thumbs up. I'm sure
Speaker 2: it's magnificent and I and I definitely want to stop
Speaker 2: by and see you in the in the oval one
Speaker 2: of these days.
Speaker 1: Good well, I look forward to it. And you just
Speaker 1: take care and a lot of Americans are very appreciative
Speaker 1: of what you and I'm appreciative of you, Michael. What
Speaker 1: you did took courage. Thank you very much.
Speaker 2: Thank you, sir, Michael. Be well playing.